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FLOODING, THIS WOULD BE THE STREETS,

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THAT TYPE OF THING,

[Transportation Infrastructure Committee Meeting on November 17, 2020.]

ACTUALLY.

UM, COUNCILMAN AUBIN WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT JUST BEFORE WE STARTED THE MEETING AND THEN A CODE B EROSION LONG IS, YOU KNOW, EROSION ISSUES ALONG CREEKS AND STREAMS AND CHANNELS.

THIS GETS INTO YOUR CR UH, COST PARTICIPATION PROJECTS, UM, WITH DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, CODE C PAWNING AND WATER, PAWNEE, WATER AND STREETS AND ALLEYS CODE D WATER IN HOUSE DUE TO CREEK FLOODING.

WE ACTUALLY SEPARATED THOSE OUT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO FROM THE CODE A, UM, THESE ARE ACTUALLY FLOOD PLAIN ISSUES, UM, ALONG DUCK CREEK, SPRING CREEK, RELIC CREEK AND ALL THE TRIBUTARIES.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE LAST ONE IS, UH, GROUNDWATER ISSUES THAT WE HAVE.

AND THEN I BROUGHT, I HAD THIS SLIDE BACK IN MARCH.

I JUST KIND OF SHOWS YOU TWO DATE OF ALL THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE RECEIVED IN GARLAND OVER THE YEARS.

THERE'S SOME OF THESE EVEN DATE BACK TO THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES.

MOST OF THEM, THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE FROM THE NINETIES AND TO CURRENT DATE, BUT, UM, 610 PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, JUST IN THE WATER AND HOUSE 154 DOWN ON CODE D THAT IT'S ALSO WATER AND HOUSE DUE TO CREEK FLOODING.

AND THEN THE SUBSEQUENT EROSION ISSUES AND PAWNING ISSUES.

AND GROUNDWATER IS YOU.

SO A TOTAL OF A LITTLE OVER 1800 TOTAL PROPERTIES REPORTED IN GARLAND.

UM, FOR THIS WAY TO HASH THROUGH THESE IS PROBABLY ONE AT A TIME AS WE GET TO SOME OF THE CODE C, D AND E.

THOSE MIGHT BE COMBINED INTO ONE MEETING, UH, WHERE THE MOST DISCUSSION IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE ON CODE B.

BUT FOR TONIGHT, I FIGURED LET'S START WITH CODE A, UM, IT'S FAIRLY STRAIGHT FORWARD OF HOW WE OPERATE.

UM, HOW WE OPERATED ORIGINALLY WAS WE RECEIVED THE COMPLAINT.

WE WENT OUT AND EVALUATED AND DETERMINED SOLUTIONS FOR THESE COMPLAINTS.

WE CAME UP WITH OPINIONS OF PROBABLE COSTS FOR THE DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS.

AND ORIGINALLY WHEN THIS ALL STARTED BACK IN THE NINETIES, THE CITY BEGAN THE LOCAL FLOODING PROGRAM WITH A BENEFIT TO COST RATIO.

AND IT WAS CALCULATED BASED ON THE DEPTH OF FLOODING AT THE RESIDENCE.

I BELIEVE ACTUALLY THIS, THIS BENEFIT TO COST RATIO WAS VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT FEMA USES FOR THEIR EVALUATIONS.

UM, WHEN THEY'RE DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOING TO BE FULL REPLACEMENT OF A HOME OR THAT TYPE OF THING, THE, THE BC RATIO HAD TO BE ONE OR GREATER FOR THE CITY TO INITIATE A DRAINAGE REMEDIATION PROJECT.

AND THIS WAS ALSO BASED ON AT THE TIME WE HAD CONSULTANTS DESIGNING THESE PROJECTS AS WELL AS BIDDING THE PROJECT AND THEN GO INTO CONSTRUCTION AND HIRING A CONTRACTOR TO CONSTRUCT MOST OF THEM, THE BC ROSE SHOW THAT WERE LESS THAN ONE.

THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS INFORMED BY LETTER THAT THIS PROJECT WAS NOT VIABLE.

AND IN MANY CASES, THESE ARE THE LARGER CIP PROJECTS THAT WE WE SEE IN THE 2004 TO 2019 BOND PROGRAM.

I E PARK MONT AND A FEW OTHERS.

AND THEN, UM, CITI STUDIED MOST OF THESE OLDER SUBDIVISIONS AND WHERE WE RECEIVED THE FLOODING COMPLAINTS THAT DID NOT MEET THE BC RATIO AND THAT THESE ARE, WERE OF COURSE, LARGER CIP PROJECTS, MORE INVOLVED THE WAY WE CURRENTLY EVALUATE THEM TODAY.

THAT WAS A STARTING POINT IN, WE HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH MOST OF THE LISTS WITH THE BC RATIO.

AND WHEN WE HIT AREAS IN TIMES OF DROUGHT, WE WENT BACK IN REEVALUATED.

SOME OF THESE AREAS THAT WERE REALLY CLOSE ON THE, ON THE BC RATIO TO MAYBE 0.9 0.8.

AND AT THE TIME WE DETERMINED THAT, ALL RIGHT, THE CITY STORM WATER CREWS BECAME VERY, UM, YOU KNOW, COMPREHENSIVE IN LA, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO INSTALL THE PIPE AND THEY HAD THE CREWS TO DO THAT.

SO ON THE STORMWATER CREWS.

SO THAT REDUCED THE COST THAT WE WERE, WE WERE WORKING WITH CONTRACTORS AND BIDDING PROCESS.

SO WE WERE ABLE TO KIND OF MOVE BACK A LITTLE BIT AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT CAN WE GO BACK AND DO? WHERE ARE, OR OUR OWN FORCES CAN CONSTRUCT A LOT OF THIS.

AND BY DOING THAT, WE WERE ABLE TO DETERMINE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU CAN ESTIMATE ABOUT $15,000 PER FLOODING ADDRESS TO GO BACK TO SOME OF THESE PEOPLE THAT WERE INFORMED OF FOUR.

AND NOW WE COULD ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT SOME OF THESE NOW THAT WE HAD OUR OWN CREWS CONSTRUCTING A LOT OF THESE.

AND IT WAS MORE JUST MATERIAL COSTS RATHER THAN, UM, THE FULL LABOR COSTS INVOLVED IN EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT AND WE'VE, WE'VE REMOVED SOME ADDITIONAL ADDRESSES DOING THAT OVER THE YEARS AND, UM, MAKING THESE PROJECTS THAT WERE ONCE NOT VIABLE, A VIABLE PROJECT NOW.

AND THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY WE'VE, WE'VE SLID TOWARDS GOING BACK AND REDOING A LOT OF THESE IN MORE RECENT YEARS.

UM, THE RADIATION PROJECTS ARE TYPICALLY A HUNDRED PERCENT CONSTRUCTED AND MAINTAINED BY THE CITY, UH,

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WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME INLETS.

I THINK WE STILL HIRE, UM, THE CONCRETE CONTRACT TO DO SOME OF THE INLETS AND THEN SOME OF THE EARTH AND BERMS AND SWALES ON PRIVATE PROPERTIES THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED OVER THE YEARS.

UM, WHAT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU NEXT IS, UH, SHEET HERE WE HAVE IN THE GIS.

AND THIS IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHEN, WHEN WE FIRST GOT ON ONLINE BEFORE THE MEETING, THIS IS A, IN OUR GIS, THIS IS SHOWING ALL 1,808 POINTS IN, UM, ADDRESSES IN THE CITY.

AND YOU CAN ZOOM IN ON THESE AND THERE'S DATA ATTACHED TO ALL OF THESE.

NOW THESE AREN'T THE FIVE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN INFORMED AS YOU CAN SEE OVER HERE ON THE LEFT AND THE, IN THE TABLE OF CONTENTS, WHETHER THESE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, UH, DESIGNED, EVALUATED, INFORMED, OR IF ARE A PRIVATE DRAINAGE MATTER BETWEEN PROPERTY OWNERS OR SOME OTHER ISSUE ON, ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY.

AND EACH ONE OF THESE POINTS HAS DATA ATTACHED TO IT.

UM, KIND OF GIVES YOU A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING WITH EACH PROPERTY, UH, ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE IN HERE.

AND THIS IS HOW WE'VE BEEN KEEPING TRACK OF IT EVER SINCE.

AND OF COURSE, WE UPDATE THAT INFORMATION IF, IF WE HAVE ANOTHER STORM AND THEY'VE IN SOME OF THESE THAT HAVE BEEN INFORMED, HAVE FLOODED AGAIN, WE'VE UPDATED THE INFORMATION.

WE DON'T ACTUALLY PUT ANOTHER POINT IN THERE.

WE JUST UPDATE THEIR INFORMATION.

THERE'S NOT ACTUALLY, THERE'S VERY FEW NEW ADDRESSES THAT ARE COMING UP.

THESE IN MORE RECENT STORMS, IT'S MOSTLY THE REPEATS AND WE KNOW WHERE THE PROBLEM AREAS ARE.

NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID ON THE PROBLEM AREAS BACK IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, WE ACTUALLY STUDIED A NUMBER OF THE AREAS.

AND THESE ARE THE AREAS THAT WE ACTUALLY STUDIED, WHERE WE HAD PROBLEMATIC AREAS THAT WERE TOO HARD TO DO, OR THEY WEREN'T VIABLE PROJECTS.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ADDRESSES IN THESE LOCATIONS.

AND SO WE WENT BACK IN, IN A LARGER SCALE TO LOOK AT THESE DRAINAGE AREAS TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO IN THESE DRAINAGE AREAS TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, AND TRY TO ALLEVIATE THE FLOODING.

SO THESE AREAS WERE STUDIED, UM, SUBSEQUENTLY CAME BOND PROGRAMS, AS YOU WILL SEE HERE IN 2004, THE ONES THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE, DOWN HERE IN AREA NUMBER NINE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL Y'ALL CAN SEE THIS.

IT'S A LITTLE ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT HERE IN AREA NINE, THAT WAS THE UNIVERSITY CHANNEL PROJECT.

THE AREA UP HERE KIND OF TO THE, TO THE NORTH OF THAT INTO THE WEST IS THE PARK MONT ADDITION, WHICH WE JUST RECENTLY COMPLETED.

AND THEN THE AREA RIGHT HERE THAT YOU SEE IN AREA SEVEN, ABOUT BETWEEN FIFTH AND NORTH GARLAND, THAT'S THE, UM, ARLAND HEIGHTS, FREEMAN HEIGHTS DRAINAGE AREA THAT WE JUST STARTED DESIGN ON.

AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY WE ALSO IN 2004 HAD THIS AREA.

AND THE REASON I DASHED THIS ONE IN IS WE'VE PERFORMED SOME RE REMEDIATION IN THIS AREA.

THIS IS THE CLASSIC DRIVE YALE AREA.

AND WE REMOVED A POOL HALL THAT USED TO STRADDLE THE, UH, CHANNEL IN THAT AREA THAT WAS CAUSING A BACKUP AND DRAINAGE PROBLEMS ON SOME PROPERTIES.

ONCE WE REMOVED THE POOL HALL AND OPENED THAT CHANNEL UP THERE, THEIR DRAINAGE ISSUES HAVE SUBSIDED.

WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMPLAINTS THAT THEY FLOODED SINCE THEN.

AND WE'VE HAD SOME STORMS THAT HAVE BEEN TO THE POINT WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE.

SO WE'RE GOING BACK AND REEVALUATING THIS AREA RIGHT NOW AND STEADYING IT TO MAKING, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL REMEDIATION PROJECTS THAT WE NEED TO CONSTRUCT IN THIS AREA, AS WELL AS WE'VE, WE'VE EXPANDED IT TO INCLUDE THE, UM, UM, HOLLABAUGH PARK, WHERE THEY'RE WANTING TO PUT THE NEW LIBRARY, THE WEST LIBRARIAN.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS STUDY THAT AREA TO MAKE SURE WHAT ELEVATION WE NEED THAT LIBRARY AT AND, AND, UM, DETERMINE IF WE NEED ANY MORE REMEDIATION IN THIS AREA.

NOW WITH THAT, WE ALSO IN THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM, YOU SEE EVERYTHING HIGHLIGHTED IN RED HERE IS EVERYBODY CAN SEE THAT THESE ARE THE SIX AREAS THAT ARE THE DRAINAGE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE ON THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM, WHICH, UM, THOSE INCLUDE THE GARVANO WEST INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

IT INCLUDES COUNTRY CLUB PARK ESTATES, LAKEWOOD WESTERN HEIGHTS, SATURN SPRINGS ESTATES, WHICH IS THE NEXT PHASE, JUST NORTH OF, OF PARK MONT.

AND THEN THE MONTCLAIR TWO AND THREE, WHICH IS DOWN THERE BY SIX 35.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE STUDIED THESE AREAS.

AND THEN NOW WE'RE GOING BACK WITH LARGE SCALE CIP PROJECTS AND ADDRESSING THE DRAINAGE ISSUES AND A LOT OF THESE AREAS.

CAUSE THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S A BIGGER SCALE PROJECT.

SO

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GOING BACK TO, I KNOW THIS IS A LOT OF INFORMATION IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, BUT, UM, I'LL GO BACK AND GO TO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS TO CONTINUE WITH THE CURRENT PROCESS OF HOW WE EVALUATE THESE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS, INCREASING THE ALLOCATION OF FUNDS INSTEAD OF 15,000 PER PROPERTY, MAYBE 20 TO 25,000, WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO EVEN GO BACK A LITTLE FURTHER IN SOME OF THESE INFORMED, UM, PROJECTS, AND MAYBE CONSTRUCT A FEW MORE OF THOSE, AS WELL AS ANY FUTURE ISSUES THAT COME UP, THAT WE CAN SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY PER PROPERTY, AND HOPEFULLY TRY TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE FLOODING ISSUES OUT HERE, AND THEN TO CONSIDER OCCASIONAL OBVIOUSLY, CIP PROJECTS TO IMPROVE THE LARGER SCALE SUBDIVISION DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE IN THE 27 PREVIOUSLY STUDIED DRAINAGE BASINS THAT WE LOOKED AT.

SO I KNOW THAT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER.

I MAY PRETEND SMITH.

ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH.

UH, WAS THERE A MAP THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT THERE A MOMENT AGO? CAUSE I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING.

I JUST SAW YOUR TEXT.

I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING OUTLINED IN RED OR OH REALLY? YEAH.

OKAY.

YOU GAVE US A COPY OF THE MAP BEFORE I STILL HAVE IT HERE SOMEWHERE, SOMEWHERE.

YEAH.

SO DO Y'ALL DIDN'T SEE THIS.

CAN YOU SEE THE MAP THAT I HAVE UP? NOPE, NOPE.

DID IT, DID I, DID I QUIT SHARING? IT SAYS QUESTIONS.

SO MAYBE THE OTHER SCREEN.

ALL RIGHT.

IT'S FROZEN HOT.

CAUSE THAT'S THE SAME SCREEN.

INTERESTING.

SOMETIMES THAT HOOKS INTO THE APPLICATION AS OPPOSED TO THE PHYSICAL SCREEN.

YEAH.

IT'S POSSIBLE.

YOU SHARED THE APP AND IT'S NOT THE SCREEN.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

I'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR ABOUT NINE MONTHS NOW, THE WRONG PLACE.

SO DON'T FEEL BAD.

DON'T FEEL BAD.

THAT WAS KIND OF, I WAS, I DIDN'T WANT TO SOUND STUPID.

WELL, SO I GOT TO, I GOT TO STOP AND SHARE THE SCREEN EACH TIME THEN.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THERE'S THE SCREEN? NO.

CAN YOU SEE THAT ONE? THERE WE GO.

I DIDN'T REALIZE IT STUCK WITH THE, WITH THE, WHATEVER I HAD IT ON.

I THOUGHT I W IF I PULLED IT UP TO THAT SCREEN, I THOUGHT I COULD SHARE IT.

THAT'S MY BAD.

COULD YOU SEE THIS ONE? THIS IS THE ONE WITH ALL THE DOTS ON THE GIS.

OKAY.

THAT ONE'S PRETTY BAD.

LET ME GRAB THAT URL REAL FAST.

YOU CAN SAY IT COUNCILMAN .

ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT ONE WORKED.

OKAY.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THE OTHER ONE DIDN'T, BUT THIS HAD ALL THE OUTLINED, UM, SUBDIVISION DRAINAGE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON WITH THE C WITH THE 2004, 2019 BOND, IS THAT COG MAP, UH, AVAILABLE FOR US TO HIT AS WELL.

CAUSE, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHO ASKS, I DON'T KNOW WHO ACTUALLY HAS ACCESS TO WHAT LAYERS OUT THERE.

UM, BUT I'M SURE WE CAN FIND A WAY TO PROBABLY GET YOU ALL ACCESS TO IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHO HAS ACCESS TO ALL THIS INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS PUBLIC, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAD THIS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

BUT AS COUNCIL PERSONS, I WOULD IMAGINE Y'ALL WOULD PROBABLY HAVE, WE COULD GET YOU ALL ACCESS TO IT.

YEAH.

AND LIKE I SAID, IF YOU CLICK ON ANY OF THESE DOTS, IF WE GO DOWN HERE TO ONE OF THESE HERE OFF OF WHATEVER ADDRESS, THIS THREE OH SIX TWO LANE DRIVE, UM, RIDGEWOOD PARK CREEK EROSION.

SO THIS WAS A CREEK EROSION.

I'M SURE WE OFFERED THEM THE, THE, UH, PARTICIPATION PLAN, IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT QUALIFIED.

SO THERE'S LIMITED INFORMATION IN HERE.

WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION IN OUR FILES, BUT THIS IS JUST GIVES US A QUICK RE YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WHAT THE ISSUE IS POSSIBLY AND IN WHAT MAYBE THE RESOLUTION IS SO INFORMED, WHAT IS IT I SEE IN, IT LOOKS LIKE BASICALLY WITHIN DUCK CREEK, THERE'S A LOT OF THESE INFORMED, DOES THAT JUST MEAN FLOODING ISSUES THAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD ABOUT, OR THEY THEY'VE BEEN

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THOSE, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY LONG DUCK CREEK HERE IN NORTH OF CENTERVILLE.

YOU SEE ALL THE PINK, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GETTING FOUR TO SIX FEET OF WATER IN THEIR HOMES.

UM, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF THING.

AND WE'VE BASICALLY INFORMED THEM THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN A FLOOD PLAIN, YOU'RE GONNA, I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING THAT THE CITY CAN REALLY DO ABOUT THE FLOOD PLAIN.

WE, THEY, THEY HAD THE PROJECT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO IN THE, IN THE MID NINETIES WHERE THEY WIDENED THAT CREEK AND THEY, THEY REDUCED THE FLOOD PLAIN AT A LOT OF AREAS, BUT THEY DID, THEY, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THESE PEOPLE ARE SITTING RIGHT UP AGAINST THE CREEK BANK AND IN THE FLOOD WAY, IN MANY CASES.

OKAY.

SO INFORMED IS G OKAY.

I NOW UNDERSTAND.

YEAH, THEY'RE INFORMED, YOU KNOW, IN, IN BASICALLY THAT THEIR PROJECT IS NOT VIABLE OTHER THAN IN THIS CASE.

UM, IT WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY CHEAPER TO PROBABLY BUY THE HOUSES OUT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THE CREEK WITHOUT BASICALLY BUYING THEM OUT ANYWAY AND WIDENING THE CREEK TO THREE TIMES ITS SIZE.

SO, UM, BUT THERE ARE OTHER ADDRESSES, AS YOU SEE RIGHT OVER HERE OFF OF KERNEL, THIS PERSON WAS INFORMED.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ONE IS RIGHT IN HERE.

UM, EROSION IN THE CREEK, AGAIN, THAT THERE WAS A CREEK BANK TYPE THING.

AND I GUESS THEY WERE INFORMED THAT THEY WERE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN MAYBE A 50, 50 COST SHARE PROGRAM THROUGH THE DRAINAGE PARTICIPATION PROJECT.

AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT.

SO THEY WERE ACTUALLY INFORMED AND WE GAVE THEM THE OPTION.

GOTCHA.

OKAY.

CASE IN POINT THOUGH, THE ADDRESS YOU WERE ASKING ME BEFORE THE MEETING, UM, COUNCILMAN ROBYN IS I BELIEVE RIGHT HERE AT, AT, UM, 38 OH FOUR AND OVERFLOW FROM THE STREET AND STORM SEWER FLOODS AROUND HOUSE, AND THEN STREET DEPARTMENT TO LOOK INTO REGRADING THE ALLEY AND POSSIBLE UPSIDES OF SOME STORM SEWER.

NOW, AGAIN, THE STORM SEWER WOULD HAVE TO BE DESIGNED AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO GET IT CONSTRUCTED.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS, THE, THE STATUS OF THIS, BUT AGAIN, IT WAS CREATED IN 2020, AND AGAIN, LAST MODIFIED IN FEBRUARY THIS YEAR.

RIGHT.

THAT'S A VERY USEFUL TOOL.

TRUE.

LOOKS LIKE IT.

UM, SO IS IT THE INFORMED ONES? THE, ARE, ARE THOSE, SOME OF THE ONES THAT, THAT WE WOULD BE GETTING TO IF WE UPPED THE FUNDING ALLOCATION? YES, SIR.

UM, WHAT WE HAVE IS, IS WE CAN GO IN HERE AND THIS IS THE MOST RECENT THAT I'M THINKING OF.

AND WE, WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT WE DECIDED THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GO BACK AND WORK ON ALL THESE HOUSES HERE ON O'BANION AND ROLLING REGION, FIELD SIDE.

THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THEM THAT FLOODED IN HERE IN, IN BASICALLY YOU SEE, WE HAVE THEM INFORMED SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOUR, THEIR HOMES FLOODED AND IT WAS, AND IT WAS WHEN WE STUDIED BOTH THE TWO TRIBUTARIES AND, OR THE, THE TRIBUTARY AND DUCK CREEK.

WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS PARTICULAR STORM ALONG THIS TROTH AVALON, UM, REACH IN DUCK CREEK, DUCK CREEK, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DESIGN ONE OR WHEN YOU ANALYZE ONE IN THE OTHER, THEY BOTH PEAKED AT THE A HUNDRED YEAR AT THE SAME TIME, WHICH IS A VERY RARE OCCURRENCE.

I MEAN, THAT DOES THAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBABILITY OF THOSE TWO OCCURRING, BUT BOTH OF THEM PEAKED AT A HUNDRED YEAR STORM AT THE SAME TIME.

I THINK BACK IN 2016 AND CAUSE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF FLOODING IN HERE, DUCK CREEK, ALL YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS THE DUCK CREEK FLOODPLAIN, WHICH BACKS UP INTO THAT TRIBUTARY, BUT YOU'RE NOT SEEING THE FLOOD PLAIN OF THE TRIBUTARY AT THE SAME TIME.

AND WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING IS THAT IT ENCOMPASSES A LOT MORE OF A, OF A LARGER AREA THAN WHAT JUST THAT CREEK DOES.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE IS ALL THESE DOTS YOU SEE HERE WERE FLOODED HOMES.

AND IN WHEN, WHEN WE FOUND OUT, WE SAID, WELL, NOBODY DESIGNS FOR TWO CREEKS PEEKING AT A HUNDRED YEAR STORM AT THE SAME TIME.

UM, IF IT WAS JUST THAT CREEK AND THE OTHER ONE WAS AT A NORMAL ELEVATION OF A 10 YEAR STORM, CAUSE YOU USUALLY ESTIMATE OF 10 YEAR, UM, FOR THE SMALL TRIBUTARIES, CAUSE THEY'RE USUALLY DRAINED OUT BY THAT TIME.

SO YOU, YOU SEE HERE THAT WE SAID, WELL, ALL RIGHT, WE'LL, WE'RE GOING TO FORM THEM.

BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE SINCE THEN IS

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FOR THE LOWER FLOW STORMS THAT ARE STILL FLOODING THEIR YARDS AND A FEW THINGS WE DECIDED TO GO BACK AND WE'RE PUTTING IN ADDITIONAL PIPE ON A FEW OF THESE STREETS TO PICK UP THE SMALLER, UM, EVENTS, STORMS TO HELP GET SOME OF THIS WATER OUT A LITTLE BIT QUICKER TO IN, ONTO THE OTHER SIDE ON DUCK CREEK AND GET IT OUT AND FLOWING OUT BEFORE THE STORMS SURGE ON THE DUCK CREEK SIDE.

SO ONCE IT SURGES THEY BACK UP INTO THIS AREA, BUT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ASSIST THEM WITH, UH, ALLEVIATING A LOT OF THEM, THE, UM, 50 TO 70 YEAR STORMS THAT HAPPEN IN THAT AREA TO FLOW OUT IN, IN TAKE THAT WATER AND GET IT OUT OF THE, OFF THE STREETS.

ACTUALLY, WE'RE ABOUT TO BID THAT.

I BELIEVE WE'RE ABOUT TO BID THAT JOB HERE IN ANOTHER WEEK OR SO QUESTION, UH, IF WE, UM, IF WE GO FROM THE 15,000 MARK TO THE 20TH TO 25,000 MARK, UH, DO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT, UH, FINANCIAL LIABILITY LOOKS LIKE? WHAT, WHAT, HOW MUCH WE'RE COMMITTING TO CITYWIDE? WELL, IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE.

IT, IT, IT ALLOWS US, UM, CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY, UM, NEW ADDRESSES COMING IN AS WHAT WE DID AND TELL IT RAINS AND YOU JUST HAVE, BUT, BUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING IN MORE RECENT YEARS ARE A NUMBER OF REPEATS.

THEY'RE NOT ANYTHING NEW.

AND EVEN UNDER THE 15,000 THRESHOLD, WE STILL CAN'T REALLY DO SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE REMEDIATION FOR SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.

SO WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO IS IT ALLOWS US TO PERFORM MORE PROJECTS AND GO BACK AND ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE FLOODING IN SOME OF THESE OTHER AREAS.

UM, WE MENTIONED MAY NOT TO BE ABLE TO DO AS MANY PROJECTS IN A YEAR, BUT YOU CAN DO SOME OF THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN SITTING ON THE SHELF SINCE THE NINETIES, EVEN SOME OF THESE ADDRESSES, EVEN DATE BACK TO THE NINETIES WHERE THEY FLOODED AND WE JUST, THEY JUST NEVER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MEET ANY KIND OF, UH, A BENEFIT RATIO.

UH, DO YOU KNOW WHAT YEAR WE SET THE 15,000 MARK? UM, THE 15,000 MARK STARTED, I'M GONNA GUESSTIMATE.

IT WAS BEFORE MY TIME.

IT WAS BACK WHEN JOHN BAKER WAS DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING AND NOT TO THROW ANYBODY UNDER THE BUS, BUT, UM, HE AND DONNA MANHART WHEN SHE FIRST CAME ON AND SHE WAS THE DRAINAGE ENGINEER.

THEY WORKED ON ON THAT SCHEMATIC BECAUSE THEY HAD MADE IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE BENEFIT TO COST RATIO PROJECTS.

AND I'M GOING TO GUESS THAT WAS SURELY AROUND 2003, 2004 IS WHEN THEY CHANGED THAT.

OKAY.

I'M JUST LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THE COST OF PROJECTS HAS INCREASED CERTAINLY SINCE 2003.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE WITH A FIXED $15,000 MARK, WE'RE ABLE TO DO LESS AND LESS EACH YEAR, YOU KNOW, IS, IS 20 TO 25,000 ENOUGH.

I MEAN, I KNOW MY HOME VALUES DOUBLED SINCE THEN.

UM, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT CONSTRUCTION COSTS PROBABLY HAVE TWO, IF NOT MORE WELL, AND, AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO TOO, WE'VE BENEFITED WELL WITH THE 15,000, EVEN WITH SOME OF THESE PROJECTS WAS AGAIN, THERE'S THE CONSTRUCTION IS BEING HANDLED BY THE STORMWATER CREWS.

SURE.

AND, AND THEY'RE BEING PAID OUT OF THE MUNICIPAL DRAINAGE UTILITY FUND, WHICH IS, WHICH IS PART OF THE STORMWATER FEE.

SO, SO THE, SO THE LABOR COSTS ARE ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF.

IT'S JUST BASICALLY PIPE MATERIALS.

UM, AND STEVE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ASSIST ME ON SOME OF THIS IS PIPE MATERIALS.

AND THEN THE OCCASIONAL, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF INLETS IS USUALLY CONTRACTED OUT TO THE ANNUAL CONCRETE CONTRACT, BUT WE'RE ABLE TO, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE ONE THAT DONNA USED JUST HERE RECENTLY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GO OUT.

CAUSE THERE WERE THREE ADDRESSES, UM, TOGETHER THERE.

AND WE WERE ABLE TO ACTUALLY GO IN AND CONSTRUCT SOME REMEDIATION.

THAT'S GOING TO PROTECT THEM FROM A A HUNDRED YEAR STORM.

AND WE SPENT ABOUT 10,000 A PROPERTY.

THIS THIS GO AROUND, BUT BEFORE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH FLOODING IN THEIR HOUSE, IT MAY HAVE ONLY GOTTEN MAYBE A HALF INCH IN THEIR HOME.

AND THAT WASN'T ENOUGH TO GIVE THEM A BENEFIT TO COST RATIO THAT THEY, THAT THEY NEEDED TO ACTUALLY SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY.

BUT NOW, BUT NOW THEY CAN.

I MEAN, I'M, I'M AT THE POINT WHERE I WANT TO SAY, YES, LET'S GO AHEAD AND COMMIT MORE MONEY TO EACH PROPERTY, BUT I DON'T WANT TO OVER-COMMIT US.

UH, FINANCIALLY YOU HAVE ANY ADVICE ON THAT PART? UM,

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WELL WE HAVE, WE OPERATE, WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT FUNDS THAT WE PAY FOR THESE PROJECTS OUT OF, UH, THERE'S THE, AGAIN, THE STORMWATER FUND, IT COMES FROM THE STORMWATER FEE ON THE UTILITY BILL.

AND THAT USUALLY GENERATES IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, ANYWHERE FROM THREE TO 400,000 A YEAR, AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE CIP SHEET THAT'S DEDICATED FOR LOCAL FLOODING.

AND THEN EACH YEAR WE ATTACH, UM, PROJECTS TO THAT ONE AS WELL.

AND, UH, WE BUDGET FOR IT THROUGH THE CIP.

YEAH.

I DON'T SEE IT AS, AS OBLIGATING US TO SPEND MORE PER SE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANY MORE PROJECTS THAN WE HAVE FUNDS TO DO.

CORRECT.

THE FUNDING IS STATIC W NOT, MAYBE NOT STATIC, BUT THE FUNDING IS WHAT THE FUNDING IS AND YOU, YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU RUN OUT OF, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE PART OF THE ISSUE HERE IS KIND OF LIKE WE'VE SOLVED MOST OF THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED AT EITHER A LOWER BC RATIO OR AT A 15,000 RATIO.

AND SO IT'S LIKE, NOW WE NEED TO START GOING FOR THE HIGHER HANGING FRUIT.

RIGHT.

IS THAT OKAY? THAT'S CORRECT.

STATEMENT.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL I'M ON BOARD.

YEAH.

I, I SUPPORT THAT.

THEN I'D SUPPORT GOING.

IF IT HELPS, IF IT WOULD HELP MORE TO GO TO HIGHER, IT COULD GO TO 30.

THEN I THINK WITH THE 20 TO 25, PROBABLY 25, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY OPEN THE DOORS BACK UP FOR A NUMBER OF THESE THAT WE'VE INFORMED THAT, THAT, UM, HAVE HAD ISSUES THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND AT LEAST INSTALL SOMETHING OUT THERE.

CAUSE THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT DON'T LIE WITHIN THOSE LARGER DRAINAGE BASINS THAT THE 27 AREAS THAT WE STUDIED, THAT THERE MAY BE AN ADDRESS OR TWO HERE AND ANDREWS OR TWO OVER HERE THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO EXTEND, UH, A STORM SEWER PIPING IN INCORRECT, THEIR DRAINAGE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR THE 25 K MARK THUMBS UP.

YEAH.

FANTASTIC.

THANK YOU.

IMPORT THAT OUT.

ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON MR. OLIVER, I THINK YOU'RE NEXT.

WHAT HAS KIND OF PREPARED AND I'LL SHARE THE SCREEN HERE JUST SHORTLY AS THE, KIND OF THE PROS AND CONS OF WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, REBUILDING THESE STREETS AT A WIDER, WIDER, UH, THAN THE STANDARD DESIGN.

SO LET ME OKAY.

YOU WILL SEE THAT CAUSE OFFICER MY SCREEN DISAPPEARED, UH, YES, LET'S SEE.

OKAY.

SO THEY JUST DISAPPEARED OFF OF ME.

SO, OKAY.

FIRST ITEM, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL STREET STANDARDS, OUR STANDARD RESIDENTIAL STREET STANDARD IS A 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY WITH A 27 FOOT IS THE STATE MINIMUM STANDARD REQUIRED THE CITY.

ALTHOUGH THERE ARE QUITE A FEW AND TYPICALLY MORE THAN WE'RE USED TO MORE THAN NOT, THAT ARE BUILT A 30 FOOT, 30 FOOT WIDTH FOR THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS, WHICH LEAVES YOU A FOUR-FOOT SIDEWALK, TYPICALLY LOCATED ONE FOOT OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.

AND THEN UPON THE WIDTH, YOU HAVE FIVE TO SIX AND A HALF FEET BETWEEN THE BACK OF CURB AND THAT SIDEWALK, HERE'S KIND OF THE, UH, THE TYPICAL PAVING SECTION YOU'LL SEE THAT RIGHT AWAY.

BUT TYPICALLY THE, UH, THE SIDEWALKS THEY'RE SHOWN AS ITEM TWO ARE OBVIOUSLY ONE FOOT, ONE FOOT OFF THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, MIGHT HAVE TO PULL THAT UP TO SEE IT IN GREAT DETAIL, BUT THAT'S DIRECTLY THAT COMES DIRECTLY FROM THE, UH, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENTAL STAIR THAT THE ENGINEERING STANDARDS HANDBOOK, UM, THE ADVANTAGES OF OBVIOUSLY THE WIDER RESIDENTIAL STRAIGHTEN.

I THINK WE WERE PROBABLY TALKING IN THERE GOING FROM 30 TO SAY AT 27 OR 32 OR 33, IT WOULD PROVIDE A WIDER AREA FOR THE ON STREET PARKING.

IT'S CALLED TWO VEHICLES TO PASS WHEN VEHICLES WILL PARK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, HENCE THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS.

ALTHOUGH FOR MOST CASES, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE BETTER SUITED TO BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTION.

SOME OF THE DISADVANTAGES, OBVIOUSLY BY A TREAT, THEN YOU'RE REDUCING THE PARKWAY ANYWHERE FROM ONE TO THREE FEET ON EACH SIDE.

AND MR. PARKWAY LIMITS THE AREA FOR WATER METERS AND FRANCHISE UTILITY.

AND, OH SEE YOUR, YOUR CABLE, YOUR PHONE.

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TYPICALLY A LOT OF THOSE ELECTRIC ARE IN THE PARKWAY.

SO IF YOU HAD A REDUCED PARKWAY, THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT IT MIGHT FOR SOME OF THE UTILITIES UNDERNEATH THE STREET, WHICH NOT NECESSARILY A PROBLEM, UNLESS THEY HAVE TO HAVE TO REPLACE IT.

THEN YOU MIGHT END UP HAVING TO DIG INTO THE STREET.

AND THEN OF COURSE, IF YOU'VE GOT TREES IN THE PARKWAYS, THOSE TREES WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED.

WE DO.

WHEN WE RECONSTRUCT, SOMETIMES WE END UP RECONSTRUCTING LARGE TREES IN THE PARKWAY WHEN YOU'VE GOT 30 FOOT STREET, WE OFTEN SOMETIMES END UP RECONSTRUCTING THEM AS 27 BECAUSE WE CAN'T PHYSICALLY REEK 30 WITHOUT, WITHOUT CUTTING DOWN TREES BECAUSE THE TRACK, THE PAVING TRACK ON EACH SIDE OF THE FORMS WAS USUALLY TYPICALLY 18 INCHES WIDE.

SO, UH, AND THEN ALSO IF YOU ENDED UP REMOVING TREES, UNLESS YOU, UNLESS YOU REMOVE THE ROOT BALL AS WELL, THAT THE ROOT BALL COULD EVENTUALLY HAS AS IT SETTLES AS IT, AS THE TWO-YEAR-OLD DECOMPOSES THE IMPACTS.

AND THEN YOU COULD HAVE THE PAVEMENT UNDERNEATH IT FAIL AS WELL.

THAT CONSTRUCTION CROSSED.

IF YOU'RE GOING VERSUS A 30 OR A 33 FOOT STREET, THEN YOU'RE TALKING ANYWHERE FROM 10 TO 25 FOOT LOSS DUE TO ADDITIONAL CONCRETE BASE MATERIAL.

THINGS THAT MAY BE LIMITING THEM THOUGH, IS DEPENDING UPON THE ELEVATION OF THE YARD AND THE DRIVEWAY, A NARROW PARKWAY COULD MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO MEET ADA STANDARDS FOR WARPING THE SIDEWALK INTO THE DRIVEWAY, UH, WHICH COULD IN, IN, IN, IN THE, IF YOU WERE LOOKING TO DO THAT, COULD NECESSITATE PURCHASING ADDITIONAL RIGHT OR SIDEWALK EASEMENTS BECAUSE THE BEING ABLE TO GET YOUR, YOUR DRY SIDEWALK TO GO ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY AND STILL MEET YOUR SLOPE CROSSING, OFTENTIMES THAT COULD FORCE YOU TO GO FARTHER UP INTO THE, THE, TAKE THE DRIVEWAY, FARTHER UP INTO THE, UH, INTO THE YARD OR INTO THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY TO BE ABLE TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE TWO THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN.

AND THEN THE ONE THING IS, IS THAT, UH, ONCE YOU FOUND OUT, OBVIOUSLY IT'S KIND OF INTUITIVE.

THIS IS THE WIDER, THE STREET IS THAT TENDS TO RESULT IN HIGHER VEHICLES STATES.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE REPORTED FROM PEOPLE IS LIKE I SAID, WHEN, WHEN THE STREETS DO GET NARROWED DOWN, I MEAN, SOMETIMES THERE'S ISSUES ABOUT PARKING, BUT THEY DO NOTE THAT YEAH, THE CARS CAN'T GO DOWN THE STREET HERE ON HIS FAST.

SO SOME PEOPLE ACTUALLY LIKE THAT, BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES.

SO I GUESS AT THIS POINT, THE QUESTION IS, IS KIND OF QUESTIONS OF QUESTIONS AND THEN WHERE, HOW DO WE WANT TO PROCEED WITH, WITH THIS ISSUE? THANK YOU, STEVE.

YOU GO AHEAD AND UNSHARE YOUR SCREEN.

I'M TRYING TO GET GOOD LUCK.

LET'S SEE MY DAMN SCREEN.

LET'S SAY BECAUSE MY SCREEN DISAPPEARED OFF THE, OKAY.

I APOLOGIZE ABOUT TRYING TO WIND THIS OUT AND GO FULL SCREEN.

DANG IT.

OH, HERE WE GO.

HERE YOU GO.

SORRY.

I'LL JUST GIVE YOU THEM.

I GIVE YOU THAT SHARED YOU DID GOOD JOB.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

UH, I'LL JUMP IN ON THIS ONE.

I MEAN, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO SEE WAS WAS THAT THIS WAS A TOOL IN YOUR DEPARTMENT'S TOOLKIT IN CASE WE FOUND JUST THE PERFECT CANDIDATE TO GET IT DONE.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT ALL THOSE DISADVANTAGES AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MEANINGFUL, THEY ARE, UM, BECAUSE YOU REALLY, YOU ARE GOING TO DISRUPT PEOPLE'S LIVES WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DO THAT.

BUT I KNOW THAT THERE SOME STREETS THAT ARE SO NARROW, UH, WITH THE CURVES INVOLVED, THAT, THAT YOU JUST CAN'T EVEN GET A FIRETRUCK THROUGH THERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT THIS TO BE THE POLICY THAT WOULD GO TO ON EVERY ROAD, BUT, UH, BUT I WANT IT TO BE AN OPTION, YOU KNOW? UH, THAT'S KIND OF IT, UH, EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS CORRECT, AND, AND I'VE GOT NOTHING ELSE TO ADD TO IT.

I THINK THERE ARE SOME CANDIDATES THAT ARE, THAT, THAT ARE BETTER.

IT'S JUST THE ONES THAT ARE HEAVILY TRADED ARE GOING TO BE AWFULLY, AWFULLY TOUGH BECAUSE HE'D GO IN THERE AND START WHOLESALE, CUTTING OUT TREES.

PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE TOO THRILLED WITH THAT.

IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS TO, HAS TO BE BEHIND IT.

IT'S A CHANGE.

AND I AGREE WITH, WITH MAYOR PRO TEM SMITH, THAT IT'S A RELATIVELY, UM, IT IS A TOOL, NOT A POLICY PER SE, THAT, AND IT'S A TOOL THAT WOULD PROBABLY GET RELATIVELY LIMITED USE, BUT ON THE STREETS WHERE IT GETS THAT USE,

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UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT.

I CAN THINK OF A COUPLE OF STREETS IN MY DISTRICT ALREADY.

I CAN THINK OF, UH, PAKOS.

I TRIED TO DRIVE DOWN PAY CAUSE NOW PAY CLOSE WILL HOPEFULLY SOMEDAY NOT BE A DEAD DEAD END, BUT I GREW UP DOWN THERE JUST TO SEE IT.

I HAD TO FOLD IN MY MIRRORS IN ORDER TO GET DOWN THE STREET.

AND THEN I HAD TO TURN AROUND AND SOME GUYS DO A DRIVEWAY THAT WERE, THE VEHICLES WERE PARKED RIGHT UP ON THE, ON THE CURB CUTS.

IT WAS, IT WAS PRETTY EYEOPENING.

I MEAN, IF, IF, IF THERE'S A FIRE ON PECOS, THERE'S GOING TO BE A BIG PROBLEM GETTING APPARATUS DOWN THERE.

UM, AND THAT'S, WHAT'S THAT, I WONDER IF THAT'S A 40, THERE ARE A FEW STREETS IN THE CITY THAT ONLY HAVE 40 FEET OF AWAY.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE THAT'S ONE AND MAY BE WHY IT'S SO NARROW BECAUSE TYPICALLY 27, WHAT EVEN THE 27 SHOULD ALLOW YOU TO GET DOWN.

SO I JUST WONDER IF THAT'S A NARROW, WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ONE.

AND I THINK YOU ALSO MENTIONED, AND I LOOKED AT OUR SCHEDULE, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TARGETING A SEPTEMBER CONSTRUCT DATE ON DEVIN WOOD.

OKAY.

UH, DEVIN, WHAT IS ANOTHER ONE? THE TH THIS ONE PAY.

SO I'M TRYING TO SEE IF I CAN PULL IT UP ON THE, UM, ON THE CAD MAP AND GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE, THE, THE WIDTH IS, BUT IT IS, UH, IT IS NARROW, LET'S SAY THERE ARE A FEW 40 FOOT RIGHT AWAY STREETS IN THE CITY, NOT A LOT.

AND THEN THEY'RE ALWAYS IN OLDER PARTS OF TOWN.

RIGHT.

UM, YEAH.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MEASURE ON THAT, BUT, UH, ANYWAY, BUT PECOS IS, IS ONE OF THEM, ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY DO HAVE, I'M LOOKING AT AN AERIAL AND THEY, YOU HAVE, UH, A PARKWAY.

AND SO THAT'S ONE, IF IT EVER GOT REBUILT, I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR THAT.

NOW, THE QUESTION, IF WE'RE IN ON A LOT OF THESE OLDER ONES THAT UTILITIES TEND TO BE ELSEWHERE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WATER METERS ARE UP IN THE YARDS AND, UH, AND, AND ELECTRIC IS RUNNING IN THE NON, THE UNPAVED ALLEYS AND WHATNOT.

SO IT'S A TOOL.

DEVIN WOULD, LET ME SEE WHAT I CAN SHOW YOU OF WHAT GOES ON ON DEVIN WOULD PICTURE.

I, I TOOK THIS, I HAVE A PICTURE THAT I TOOK WHEN WE WERE DOING PARKING ENFORCEMENT.

THIS IS THE SCOPE OF WHAT I'M LOOKING AT ON DEVIN.

WELL, I DID TAKE A BRIEF LOOK AT DEVIN WOOD, AND I THINK YOU ONLY HAVE TO TAKE OUT ONE OR TWO TREES ON DEVIN WOULD TO BE ABLE TO WIDEN IT.

SO, RIGHT.

AND SO IT'S NOT, THERE'LL BE A WHOLE SCALE.

IT WOULDN'T BE A WHOLE SCALE, YOU KNOW, CHOPPING OF TREES.

RIGHT? WHAT HAPPENS ON, UM, WHAT HAPPENS ON DEVIN WOULD IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS, THIS, THIS KIND OF ROLL OVER CURVE IS THAT PEOPLE HAVE NO PR.

AND SO WHAT THEY DO IS THIS IS AN EXTREME CASE.

UM, BUT, BUT YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO PARALLEL, W WHO PARALLEL PARK INTO THE GRASS, NOT QUITE LIKE THIS GUY, BUT, UM, PUT A PARALLEL, DO THAT RIGHT THERE.

THERE WE GO.

BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL PARALLEL PARK INTO THE GRASS AS IT IS.

AND SO THESE ARE FOLKS WHO ARE, WHO ARE FIXING TO GET TICKETS FROM THE MARSHALS, CAUSE YOU'RE PARKED ILLEGALLY BECAUSE THEY'RE OVER THE GRASS.

BUT IF WE, IF, IF IT'S DOABLE AND I THINK THIS MIGHT BE A CASE, LIKE YOU SAID, THERE ARE NO BIG TREES THAT I, THAT I CAN THINK OF THAT ARE IN THE MEDIAN OR IN THE PARKWAY, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT.

SO THEY'RE NO BIG TREES THAT ARE IN THE PARKWAY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT UTILITIES ARE GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.

CAUSE IF THE, THE REASON WHY THESE PEOPLE ARE, UH, THE REASON WHY THESE PEOPLE PARKED LIKE THIS IS BECAUSE THE STREET IS NARROW AND A LITTLE BIT CURVY.

AND IF YOU HAVE FOLKS ON BOTH IN THE HOUSES OR SMALL, SHORT DRIVE, WAYS THAT YOU CAN FIT, MAYBE ONE CAR DEPTHS IN, AND MOST OF THE GARAGE HAS BEEN CONVERTED.

AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF DEMAND FOR STREET PARKING HERE AND UP ALONG SOME OF THE RELATED STREETS.

YEAH.

I'M LOOKING AT THE SPREADSHEET FOR THAT PROJECT AND IT SHOWS THE PROPOSED WITH THE 30, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE EXISTING WITH, OR IF THAT WOULD BE WIDER THAN THE EXISTING WITH, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL CERTAINLY CAN TAKE A SECOND LOOK AT THAT ONE BEFORE WE DO A FINAL DESIGN AND I'LL I'LL, AND I'LL REACH OUT TO, TO SOME OF THE NAMES I'VE TALKED WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT JUST ACTUALLY SUGGESTED TO ME BY, BY SOMEONE WHO LIVES OVER THERE.

UM, SO I'D BE HAPPY TO, TO,

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TO TALK TO THEM AND SEE WHAT THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, UH, SEE WHAT THE TAKE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ON.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I JUST, I, I GET THE SENSE AND I MAY BE WRONG THOUGH, BUT I GET THE SENSE THAT IT WOULD GIVE SOME SUBSTANTIAL RELIEF.

UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF WE BUILD IT WITH JUST THE, THE, THE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT, THE STANDARD VERTICAL, VERTICAL CURBS STANDARD, VERTICAL CURVES.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO RESULT IN IT, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE NARROWNESS THAT PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO AVOID, OR IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO GET PEOPLE PARKING OVER THE CURB STILL, IT'LL STILL BE AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD AVOID A LOT OF THAT BY ELIMINATING THE PARKWAY.

WELL, IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LIKE SAY, I NOTICED THEY'D GOTTEN SURVEY ON THAT INFORMATION ON THAT.

SO WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT DOES.

AND IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF DOING SOME WIDENING, LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAY BE ABLE TO DO IT ON ONE SIDE AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER, BUT JUST LOOKING AT THE AERIAL, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NOTHING, NO, NOTHING SIGNIFICANTLY CONSTRAINING IT.

AND I THINK IT'S RELATIVELY FLAT.

SO THE ISSUE WITH THE SIDEWALKS MIGHT NOT BE AS MUCH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ADA ISSUES MAY NOT BE, AS YOU SEE, THAT COMES MORE OF A PROBLEM WHEN THE, WHEN THE HOUSE IS SITS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THE STREET IS.

RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

OKAY.

ONE OTHER THING I JUST THOUGHT OF, WE MAY HAVE TO INCLUDE A LITTLE BIT IN THE PROJECT BUDGET FOR A RESIDENT MAILBOX REPLACEMENT.

IF WE TAKE OUT A, A BRICK MAILBOX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE'LL NEED TO PROBABLY REIMBURSE THE RESIDENT FOR THAT.

WELL, TYPICALLY EVEN WHEN WE REPAVE IT, IF THE, IF THE MAILBOX IS RIGHT BEHIND THE BACK OF CURB, EVEN IF WE'RE PUTTING IT BACK AT THE SAME WIDTH, WE HAVE TO PICK IT UP AND MOVE IT.

WE TRY TO, WE TRY TO PICK THEM UP, MOVE THEM AND PUT THEM BACK.

BUT SOMETIMES THE OLDER GOING TO CRUMBLE, IF THEY CRUMBLE, WE EITHER, WE PUT THEM BACK OVER CAN, THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHERE WE'VE HIRED BRICK, MASONS, COME OUT THERE AND REBUILD MAILBOXES IF NECESSARY.

OKAY.

SO WE, WE, WE, THAT WE DEAL WITH THAT DEVICES, BUT, UH, MOST DEFINITELY WE WERE ABLE TO, MOST OF THEM WERE ABLE TO BACK IF, UNLESS THEY'RE JUST REALLY OLD, SOME OF YOU PICK THEM UP, THEY FALL APART WHEN YOU PICK THEM UP.

RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, SHRIMP, ANYTHING YOU NEED FROM US, STEVE, OTHER THAN DOK OF COUNCIL TO KIND OF LOOK AT THAT FROM A TRUE, AGAIN, NOT A POLICY TO DO IT, BUT JUST THAT IT'S, UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WITHIN THE WHEELHOUSE.

YEAH.

I MEAN, I'D SAY IT COULD BE LIMITED, LIMITED APPLICATIONS THAT THERE, THAT MAKES SENSE.

I GUESS.

I, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I W IT'S JUST FREEING YOU TO, INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT IT, IT'S MORE RELEASING YOU FROM POLICY THEN THAN EXPANDING POLICY OR WHATEVER, IT'S THAT THIS IS A TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX AND IN LIMITED SITUATIONS, AND I'M SURE COUNSEL WILL AGREE WITH THAT.

I WOULD THINK SO.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, SO WE'LL BRING THAT UP TO COUNCIL AND I THINK THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TODAY.

AM I MISSING ANYTHING MR. LEUKEMIA? I'M NOT LEAVING YOU OUT OF ANYTHING.

AND I KNOW I DID NOT FEEL THE SLIGHTEST IN THE LEAST FEEL FREE TO FEEL FREE, TO IGNORE MORE FREQUENTLY.

THAT'S RIGHT.

GREAT.

WELL WITH THAT, THEN WE WILL ADJOURN.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU EVERYONE.