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ALL RIGHT.

WELL

[Development Services Committee Meeting on October 19, 2020.]

THEN WE'LL CALL THE, UH, THIS MEETING, UH, OCTOBER, 1920, 20 MEETING AND THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICE COMMITTEE TO ORDER OUR FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.

IT'S THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 17TH, 2020 MEETING MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BARREN.

I'LL SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE.

ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN IT'S A PASS FROM THAT MEETING.

WE SHOULD SAY FROM THE BEGINNING THAT WE DON'T HAVE A MEMBER OF OUR FORMER MEMBER OF OUR COMMITTEE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, DAVID GIDDENS RESIGNED.

SO I'M NOW TAKING OVER THE CHAIRMANSHIP OF THIS COMMITTEE.

WE ALSO HAVE COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS WITH THIS AS WELL.

SHE'S LISTENING IN, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR, A ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.

THE FIRST ITEM WE HAVE IS TEMPORARY, OR EXCUSE ME, I REVIEW OF THE TEMPORARY PARKLET PROGRAM, RIGHT? A PATIENT OR A YES, WE DO.

UM, COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, ALL I'M GOING TO HAND IT OFF TO SWAY DE LA VEGA HERE SHORTLY, BUT JUST AS A BRIEF REMINDER, UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A, UH, A DISCUSSION OR TWO WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ON UH PARKLETS AND, UM, THE CITY TO THIS POINT HAS, UM, ALLOWED AND DEVELOPED SOME GUIDELINES AND TIPS FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY.

UH PARKLETS ON, UM, UH, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND THE LIKE, UM, AND THEN MEANWHILE, TO THIS POINT, UM, WE HAVE ALLOWED FOR AT LEAST ONE THAT I'M AWARE OF, UH, PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY PROJECT TAVERN ON THE SQUARE.

UM, SO THEY, WE KIND OF ADDRESSED THAT, JUST SORT OF ON A, UM, YOU KNOW, IMMEDIATE KIND OF CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.

UH, THE BUSINESS OWNER WORKED WITH, UH, JOHN BAKER AND MYSELF AND PAUL LUKEY AND A FEW OTHERS ON STAFF TO KIND OF MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

BUT, UH, SWAY IS GONNA, UM, PRESENT TO YOU, UH, KIND OF A MORE FORMALIZED, UH, PROCESS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, UH, PAST FEW MONTHS AND, UH, CERTAINLY BENCHED OFF BENCHMARKED ON A FEW OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DOING THIS, OR WE'RE NOT TRYING TO REINVENT THE WHEEL TOO MUCH HERE.

UM, SO I WILL, UM, WITH THAT, I'LL LET HER SWAY KIND OF TAKE OVER AND WALK YOU THROUGH IT.

OKAY.

HELLO EVERYONE.

I'M GOING TO SHARE MY SCREEN HERE.

UM, WOW.

I BELIEVE YOU CAN NOW SEE MY OR PRESENTATION.

YES, YES WE CAN.

OKAY.

SO I'M GOING TO START WITH THIS IMAGE, UH, THESE SEXUALLY A PARKLET IN BISHOP ARTS IN DALLAS.

UM, WE ACTUALLY WENT THERE.

WE TOOK A PICTURE AND, UM, WE BEGAN TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF, UM, WHAT A PARKLET IS IN, WHERE THEY ARE INSTALLED IN THE RIGHT AWAY.

UH, THIS ONE IS A BIT, UH, INVOLVED WHEN IT COMES TO THE INSTALLATION.

UH, A LOT OF THEM ARE, UM, THEY'RE A BIT MORE OPEN ALONG THE EDGES, AH, EASIER TO INSTALL AND REALLY EASY TO REMOVE.

UM, THE ONE IS THE PARKLAND, UH, PARKLANDS ARE, UH, PUBLIC SEATING SPACES ARE TEMPORARY IN CHARACTER AND ARE TYPICALLY CREATED BY BUILDING A PLATFORM OVER ON STREET PARKING SPACES AND FURNISHED WITH, YOU KNOW, TABLES, CHAIRS, UMBRELLAS, UH, BENCHES AND PLANTERS.

NOW I'M GONNA SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES OF SOME PARKLETS, UH, JUST SO WE CAN HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UH, THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY ALSO, UM, IN BISHOP ARTS IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE FIRST ONE.

UH, WE SAW, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S SOME MORE SIMPLER, UH, LESS, LESS INVOLVE.

UM, HERE WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE.

UH, THIS IS NOT IN DALLAS, THIS IS SOMEWHERE ELSE.

UH, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, ALWAYS, UH, INSTALLED AND, UH, OVER ON STREET PARKING, YOU GOT TO SEE SOME OF THE AMENITIES, UH, TABLES, CHAIRS IN ALWAYS WITH THAT EDGING OR AT THAT BUFFER, UH, TO PROTECT, UH, PEOPLE FROM, FROM TRAFFIC.

HERE'S ANOTHER ONE.

UM, AGAIN, NEXT TO THE SIDEWALK, UM, CHAIRS, TABLES, REALLY SIMPLE.

AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE PLANTERS ALONG THE EDGES, UH, TO PROTECT THOSE USE THE PARKLETS, UH, FROM VEHICLES.

SO THESE PARKLETS ACTUALLY HAVE LIKE BUILT IN BENCHES.

UM, THEY'VE GOT, UH,

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BIKE RACKS, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.

UM, SO YOU BEGIN TO SEE THE TYPES OF AMENITIES, UH, THAT THEY COULD HAVE ON THESE PARKLETS.

AND AGAIN, YOU GOT PLANTERS ALONG THE, THERE, JUST TO PROTECT, UH, THE PEOPLE ON THE PARKLAND AND, YOU KNOW, BASED ON, ON THIS DEFINITION AND, UH, THIS PICTURES, WE CAN TELL THE APARTMENTS IN THE RIGHT-AWAY ARE APPROPRIATE IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT, UH, LIKE OR DOWNTOWN, UH, OUTSIDE OF, OF, OF OUR DOWNTOWN.

THEY WILL NOT BE REALLY APPROPRIATE.

YEAH.

WELL, WHY ARE WE DRAFTING THIS, THE EARLY PART OF THE PROGRAM? WE'LL LIKE WE'LL SET A CITY COUNCIL REQUEST TO STAFF TO DRAFT A PROGRAM CONSISTENT OF A PERMITTING PROCESS AND STANDARDS THAT WILL GIVE BUSINESS BUSINESSES, THE OPTION TO EMPLOY THE PARKLET AS A TOOL TO MITIGATE THE COVID 19 SITTING CAPACITY LIMITS.

UH, THE DRAFT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE CONSIDERED FOR ADOPTION BY CITY COUNCIL OH, WHAT ARE THE POTENTIAL BENEFITS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PARKLETS? IN ADDITION, OF COURSE, TO PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL CITY AND AREA WELL SOLVE, THESE PARTNERS CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, UNIQUE DESIGNS AND ACTUALLY ADD TO THE STATICS OF THE AREA, WHICH COULD ATTRACT PEOPLE INTO THE AREA, UH, PEOPLE THAT MAY WANT TO COME AND EXPERIENCE THE PARKLETS AND THIS INCREASE IN FOOT TRAFFIC COULD POTENTIALLY, UH, BENEFIT BUSINESSES AROUND THE PARKLETS.

SO THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS, UH, THAT WE DRAFTED.

UH, SO WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS FOR THE APPLICANT TO GO OUT THERE AND START PAYING SOMEONE TO DO DRAWINGS AND BUY LIABILITY INSURANCE OR MATERIAL FOR THE INSTALLATION WITHOUT STAFF, REALLY KNOWING IF THE SITE, UH, ACTUALLY IS ACTUALLY ELIGIBLE TO HAVE A PARKLAND.

SO THE FIRST THING WE WANT TO BE SURE OF IS THAT IS THAT IF A PARKLET IS INSTALLED, IT WILL NOT CONFLICT WITH UTILITIES IS NOT GOING TO CONFLICT WITH CITY SERVICES, UH, LIKE STREET MAINTENANCE, UH, TRASH PICK UP FIRE DEPARTMENT SERVICES.

AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO CONFLICT WITH TRAFFIC.

SO THE APPLICANTS, UM, UH, STEP ONE, UH, THEY WILL NEED TO COMPLETE AND SUBMIT A TEMPORARY PARKLAND ELIGIBILITY, ELIGIBILITY CHECKLIST FORM WITH INFORMATION THAT WILL ALLOW US TO DETERMINE IF A SITE QUALIFIES TO HAVE A PARKLET INSTALLATION.

NOW, ONCE THE ELIGIBILITY OF THE SITE IS DETERMINED, UH, IN STEP TWO, THE APPLICANT WILL SUBMIT A PARKLET APPLICATION WITH DRAWINGS OF THE DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED APARTMENT, ALONG WITH OTHER SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS FOR STAFF TO REVIEW.

UH, AND ONCE THE DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED PARK LADY IS APPROVED, THEN THE APPLICANT WILL EXECUTE A PARKLET LICENSE LICENSE AGREEMENT.

AND ONCE THAT'S, ONCE THE LICENSE LICENSE IS EXECUTED, THE APPLICANT WILL BE ABLE TO OBTAIN A, AN ACTUAL PERMIT INSTALLATION PERMIT AND SCHEDULE THE FIELD INSPECTIONS.

SO I'M GOING TO GO OVER EACH STEP IN DETAIL, UM, WITH THE FOLLOWING SLIDES.

NOW, BEFORE I BEGIN, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT, UH, WHEN WE FORMULATED THE ELIGIBILITY CHECKLIST, WE FOLLOW, UH, THE RECOMMENDED STANDARDS OF THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CITY, OF CITY TRANSPORTATION OFFICIALS, UH, STATEWIDE AND NATIONWIDE BEST PRACTICES.

UH, OF COURSE, THE SUGGESTIONS AND STANDARDS, UH, OF VARIOUS CITY, SUCH AS THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, UH, BY THE WAY, NACTA IS THE KIND OF GO-TO SOURCE OF RECOMMENDED PARKLET STANDARDS FOR CITY CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY.

NOW, OF COURSE, WE HAD TO TWEAK SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDED STANDARDS TO MAKE THEM WORK IN OUR DOWNTOWN SINCE EVERY CITY IS DIFFERENT.

SO THESE ARE THE STANDARDS AND THE ELIGIBILITY ELIGIBILITY CHECKLIST, UM, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THEM HAVE TO DO WITH SAFETY, UH, BUT ALSO WITH MAKING SURE THAT THE DEPARTMENT WILL NOT CONFLICT WITH THE UTILITIES, THE CITY SERVICES THEY'LL PERMISSION OF OTHER BUSINESSES AROUND PARKLAND.

AND OF COURSE, WITH TRAFFIC, THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO CHECK MARK EACH STANDARD, UH, THE SITE COMPLIES WITH AND SUBMIT AN AERIAL MAP IN IDENTIFYING THE PARKING SPACES THAT WILL BE USED FOR THE PARKLAND INSTALLATION.

UH, WE WILL ROUTE ALL THAT TO THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS FOR ANY RED FLAGS, AND WE WILL MAKE A VISIT TO VERIFY THE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT

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.

SO THIS IS STEP TWO, THE ACTUAL APPLICATION WITH APPLICATION THAT THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO SUBMIT THE DRAWINGS, UM, AND SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS, UM, THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO OBTAIN THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT THE APP, THE DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED PARKLAND WILL HAVE TO FOLLOW, AND ALSO A LIST OF RESPONSIBILITIES, UH, THAT LIE WITH, UH, THE PARKLAND SPONSOR, THE APPLICANT.

AGAIN, WE FOLLOW, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF NATO, UM, NATIONWIDE AND STATEWIDE BEST PRACTICES, AS WELL AS, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE DEPARTMENTS THAT WE ENGAGED DURING THE DRAFTING PROCESS.

YEAH.

SO THESE ARE THE DOCUMENTS THAT THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO SUBMIT IN STEP TWO, WITH, UH, THE APPLICATION ITSELF, UH, PROOF OF LIABILITY INSURANCE.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE INSURANCE COVERS THE PARKLAND.

UH, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TALKED TO THEIR NEIGHBORS.

SO WE WILL NEED PROOF OF CONSENT, UH, FROM THE ADJACENT BUSINESSES AND PROPERTY OWNERS, OF COURSE, DRAWINGS, A STATEMENT OF PURPOSE, JUST INDICATING WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE PARKLAND, UH, IS FOR PEOPLE TO GO THERE, YOU KNOW, COVID DRAIN, UH, IT, YOU KNOW, EAT THEIR MEAL.

UM, SO WE, WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE PARK ROAD IS FOR, UH, AND THAT DESCRIPTION OF THE PARKLAND MATERIALS AND THE PROPOSAL MANATEES, YOU KNOW, CHAIRS, TABLES, LIGHTING, UH, LANDSCAPING, LANDSCAPING, THINGS LIKE THAT STANDARDS.

BEFORE I GO OVER TO THE STANDARDS, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT, UH, WE'RE NOT ALLOWING, BECAUSE THIS PART LET'S, WE'LL BE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

WE DON'T WANT TO ALLOW ANY, UH, POURING OF CONCRETE.

WE DON'T WANT ANY OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE PARTNER TO BE BOLTED INTO THE SURFACE OF THE STREET, THE CURB SIDEWALK.

AND WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT ANY DRILLING INTO THE SURFACE OF THE RIGHT-AWAY.

UM, THIS ONE, FOR EXAMPLE, IT DEALS WITH THE PLATFORM, WHICH IS, UH, OPTIONAL, UH, BUT IT, IT LISTS THE STANDARDS, UM, THAT THE PLATFORM HAS TO FOLLOW.

SO, UH, IT WILL NOT, IT WILL NOT CONFLICT OR IMPACT THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE, UM, IN THE DOWNTOWN, THIS OTHER STANDARDS, UH, MOSTLY DEAL WITH SAFETY AND THE BUFFERING THAT IS THAT WE WANT TO SEE.

UH, SO PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THE PARKLETS, UM, ARE PROTECTED FROM, UH, VEHICLE OR TRAFFIC OR, OR, UH, CARS PARKING, UH, NEAR THE KNOW THE PARKLAND.

WELL, SO OUR, UM, UH, INCLUDED A STANDARD REGARDING SIGNAGE WITHIN THE PARKLAND AREA.

UM, WE, IN THIS CASE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ALLOWING SIGNAGE WITHIN THE PARKING LOT WITHIN THE PARKLAND AREA.

AND WITH THIS STANDARDS ON THIS SLIDE, WE'RE BASICALLY, UH, ADDRESSING MATERIALS, UH, ACCESSIBILITY IN CONNECTIONS TO POWER AND WATER.

UH, WE'RE LISTING A NUMBER OF RESPONSIBILITIES.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS OBLIGATED TO, TO MEET.

UH, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY MAINTAIN INSURANCE THROUGHOUT THE FULL TERM OF PERMIT.

UH, THE, THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR, UH, UH, ALL THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PARK, THAT INSTALLATION THAT, UH, THEY PROVIDE REGULAR MAINTENANCE TO THE APARTMENT WHEN WE SHOW THAT IT'S CLEAN AND KEPT IN GOOD CONDITIONS, THAT THEY DON'T INSTALL ANY KIND OF SOUND AMPLIFICATION SYSTEMS IN THE PARKLAND.

WE DON'T WANT THE PILOT TO BECOME A DJ POOF.

SO, UH, WE, WE ADDED THAT.

UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE PARK THAT IS USED, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH A STATEMENT THEY PROVIDED WITH, UH, WITH, UH, APPLICATION, UH, IF HE'S FOR SOMEONE TO GO THERE, SEE, YOU KNOW, TO SIT THERE AND HAVE THEIR DRINK OR HAVE THEIR MEAL, UH, WE DON'T WANT THE PARKLET TO BE USED FOR MUSIC STAGE OR, UH, UH,

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UH, ART INSTALLATION, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WERE NOT INDICATED ON THE APPLICATION THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR REMOVING ALL THE, UH, REMOVAL, UH, AMENITIES, SUCH AS TABLES AND CHAIRS, UH, BY THE END OF, UH, BY THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN THE BUSINESS CLOSES THAT THEY'RE REMOVED THE APARTMENT, UH, IF THEY'RE SCHEDULED STRICT CONSTRUCTION, UH, UTILITY REPAIRS OR CITY EVENTS, AND THEY REMOVE THE PARKLAND, UH, ONCE THE PERMIT IS EXPIRED, UH, ONCE THE APPLICATION IS APPROVED, UH, WE WOULD COMMUNICATE, UH, TO THE, TO THE APPLICANT, HOW TO, HOW TO, UH, EXECUTE THE PARKLAND LICENSE AGREEMENT.

MOST LIKELY THAT WILL BE DONE THROUGH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.

UH, A LOT OF THESE LICENSE AGREEMENTS ARE DONE THROUGH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, SO WE WILL HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH THEM.

AND ONCE THE LICENSE AGREEMENT IS EXECUTED, THEN THEY WILL BE ABLE TO OBTAIN THEIR PERMIT AND SCHEDULE THEIR INSPECTIONS THROUGH THE BUILDING INSPECTION DEPARTMENT.

UH, ONE, I KNOW THAT THE PR THE PARKLET PERMIT IS TEMPORARY IS VALID FOR A MAXIMUM OF 90 DAYS AS WELL.

WE'RE PROPOSING.

AND THAT'S THE, ESSENTIALLY THE PROCESS, UH, I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU A TIME-LAPSE VIDEO, JUST SHOWING THE INSTALLATION OF PARKLAND.

SO HERE WE GO.

SO THAT DATA JUST SHOWS YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW, UH, THAT PARKLAND, THAT PARTICULAR PARKLETS LOOK A LOT, LIKE THE FIRST ONE WE SAW, AND IT SEEMS LIKE AS FAR AS CONSTRUCTION, IT WAS PRETTY INVOLVED IN, BUT NONETHELESS, VERY EASY TO INSTALL THESE, TO REMOVE.

AND, UH, SOME PARKLETS ARE EVEN EASIER.

THEY EVEN HAVE A, MORE OF A TEMPORARY CHARACTER THAN THE ONE WE JUST SAW.

UM, BUT ANYWAY, WITH THAT, I CONCLUDE THIS PRESENTATION.

UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, COUNCILMAN, LARRY.

I'VE GOT A QUESTION.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

WELL, SO I, YES, SIR.

UM, DID, UH, TAVERN ON THE SQUARE, GOT A PERMIT? UH, THEY WILL, UH, FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN AT ANY TIME, BUT, UH, THEY WORK WITH, UH, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WITH OTHER, IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

UH, AND THAT WAS DONE BEFORE WE, UH, DRAFTED THIS PROGRAM.

UH, I KNOW THAT THEY GOT UP, UH, PARKLAND LICENSE AGREEMENT THROUGH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

YEAH.

THEY WORKED WITH CITY STAFF ON THAT PROPOSAL.

OKAY.

AND, UH, WHEN YOU SAY, I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE GONNA DO THIS UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR.

UH, WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THIS IS THAT, UH, WE, WE WERE ASKED TO, UH, HAVE A DRAFT, UH, AT THIS TIME OF THE YEAR.

UH, SO WE COULD START LOOKING AT IT AND BRING THIS TO YOU, TO THIS COMMITTEE SO WE COULD OBTAIN SOME DIRECTION AND FEEDBACK, UH, AND MAKE ANY CHANGES THAT WE NEED TO MAKE, UH, BEFORE WE BRING IT, UH, BEFORE COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.

YEAH, I WAS ALWAYS CREDIT, I BELIEVE.

UH, JOHN BAKER HAD INFORMED THE COUNCIL THAT, UH, WE WERE EXTENDING, UM, THE TAVERN ON THE SQUARE, UM, KIND OF UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR.

UM, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, UH, WE'RE GOING AHEAD AND PRESENTING THE FINDINGS FOR A MORE FORMALIZED, UH, PROGRAMS, KIND OF LIKE A COMMITTEE, AND THEN EVENTUALLY THE FULL COUNCIL, UM, WORK AT AND PROVIDES FEEDBACK ON BEFORE, UM, BEFORE THIS GETS ROLLED OUT.

WELL.

SO DO YOU MIND TAKING YOUR SCREEN

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SHARE DOWN PLEASE? I'M SORRY.

CAN YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN? DO YOU MIND TAKING YOUR SCREEN SHARE DOWN PLEASE? YES.

YES.

DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

WELL, MY OTHER QUESTION IS, UM, THEY WILL HAVE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR DOING THIS RIGHT INSURANCE AND ALL THAT COVER EVERYTHING.

YES.

THE WAY WE HAVE THE HOOK, THE WAY WE HAVE WRITTEN THE, UH, THE RESPONSIBILITIES, UH, THAT, UH, ARE TO BE MET BY THE APPLICANT.

YES.

THEY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR.

AND, UM, THE INSURANCE MAKING SURE THAT, UH, THEIR PARKLET IS COVERED, UM, IN, UM, IN ANY COSTS RELATED TO THE INSTALLATION OF THE PARKLET IS, UH, THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APPLICANT.

OKAY.

AND MY OTHER THING IS, UH, AS SHORT AS WE ARE IN PARKING DOWNTOWN, IF FOR SOME REASON, ALL OF THEM WANTING TO DO THIS, THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY A LOT OF PARKING FROM THE DOWNTOWN AREA, IF WE WAS TO DO THIS, YOU KNOW? YES.

UH, SO, SO THESE, SOME OF THESE STANDARDS, UH, AS, AS THEY ARE DRAFTED, UH, WOULD, WOULD ONLY ALLOW CERTAIN AREAS OF THE DOWNTOWN TO, UH, HAVE PARTMENTS.

SO COMBINE THESE STANDARDS ALREADY LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PARKLETS WE CAN HAVE IN THE DOWNTOWN.

UM, AGAIN, SOME AREAS MIGHT BE ABLE TO MEET THE STANDARDS AND SOME AREAS MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MEET THE STANDARDS.

AND THEREFORE THOSE AREAS, UH, OF THE DOWNTOWN WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE PART FITS, I THINK, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT TO BE MORE SPECIFIC, UM, UH, PARKLET, UM, HAS TO BE, IT CAN BE NO WIDER THAN THE, UM, THE BUSINESS, THE TENANT SPACE, CORRECT.

IT CAN'T BE SPILLING OVER INTO FRONT OF OTHER BUSINESSES.

AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, I THINK WE'VE KEPT THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT IT CAN OCCUPY THIS, OF COURSE, DRAFT THE POLICY CAN BE DISCUSSED, BUT THE WAY IT'S DRAFTED IS THE MAXIMUM WOULD BE THREE PARKING SPACES.

AND AGAIN, THEY'D HAVE TO BE ENTIRELY IN FRONT OF THAT BUSINESS.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

UH, THOSE, UH, IT'S A MINIMUM OF TWO PARKING SPACES AND A MAXIMUM OF THREE, THE APARTMENT THAT THE WIDTH OF THE PARKLET CAN, UH, HAS TO BE LESS EQUAL OR LESS, UH, THAN THE FRONTAGE OF THE BUSINESS.

UH, SO, UH, OBVIOUSLY THAT, THAT LIMITS WHERE PARTNERS GROUP POTENTIALLY GO.

YEAH, I WAS, MY QUESTION WAS IF WE STARTED LETTING ALL THIS, OKAY.

SAY, SAY SOMEBODY GETS THREE PARKING SPACES AND MAKEUP PORTLAND, THEN THE THREE SPACES, THEY'RE THE PEOPLE THAT PARK THERE ALL THE TIME, USUALLY TO GO TO THAT RESTAURANT, THERE'LL BIG PARKING IN FRONT OF THE OTHER RESTAURANTS DOWNTOWN IS WHAT I'M DRIVING AT.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

IT'S AND Y'ALL SAYING THAT IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A FEW THAT CAN DO THAT.

THE WAY THE STANDARDS ARE WRITTEN DEF YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW MANY PARTS WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, UH, GOING TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

UH, BUT SOME AREAS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO, TO HAVE PARKLETS, UH, BECAUSE OF THESE STANDARDS.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

CHAIRMAN, CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN, VERY AGAINST THE LEMURS.

DO YOU HAVE YOUR HAND RAISED JUST AS, AS FAR AS THE DOWNTOWN AND AGAIN, THIS, THIS IS A CITY-WIDE PROGRAM, NOT A DOWNTOWN PROGRAM, SO THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENCES THERE, BUT, UM, TAVERN ON THE SQUARE, UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, AND, AND WHILE YOU, AND HOST WAY MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THIS, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY PROBLEMS THERE THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS, UH, UH, UNIQUELY CRAFTED PERMISSION? UM, SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE A PROGRAM, HAVE YOU HAD PROBLEMS SINCE THEY'D BEEN MAINTAINING THAT? NOT THAT I HAVE HEARD.

UM, I DON'T THINK SWAY.

YOU HAVEN'T HEARD ANY COMPLAINTS? I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING.

NO.

AND I CERTAINLY COULDN'T SPEAK FOR CODE COMPLIANCE, BUT I CERTAINLY HAVE NOT HEARD A WORD FROM CODE OR JOHN BAKER OR ANYONE ABOUT ANY ISSUES OR FOR BUSINESS COMPLAINTS.

OKAY.

I WOULD HAVE, I WOULD HAVE HER GET BACK TO YOU.

YEAH.

UM, YEAH, SO THERE, THAT

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HAS NOT BEEN A PROBLEM.

AND I WILL JUST TELL YOU IN THE DOWNTOWN, THE ONLY RESTAURANT BESIDES TAVERN ON THE SQUARE THAT WAS CONSIDERING DOING THAT WAS PAUL PAWS SWEET SHOP.

AND WHAT I'M VERY PLEASED ABOUT IS THAT THE CONSIDERATION OF A PARKLET ACTUALLY MOVED THEM TO POUR PERMITTED ALL OF IT, POUR IT, ACTUAL SIDE PATIO.

UM, THAT'S GOING TO BE QUITE NICE.

IT'S ALMOST FINISHED.

SO THIS KIND OF INSPIRED THEM TO START THINKING ABOUT OUTSIDE DINING.

AND SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY ENLARGING THE RESTAURANT, MAKING IT, UM, NICER.

SO, UM, THESE THINGS ARE, ARE BY NATURE TEMPORARY.

I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING A THOUGHT-THROUGH FORMALIZED PROCESS IN OUR POCKET.

UM, I WOULDN'T EXPECT THIS TO BE LIKELY TO BE CONTINUAL, UM, BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS PANDEMIC IS GOING TO GO ON.

AND THIS, THIS HAS BEEN A PANDEMIC RESPONSE IN GARLAND AND OTHER CITIES.

UM, AND ALSO JUST A WAY TO, UM, WAY TO HELP PEOPLE HAVE OUTDOOR DINING WHEN IT'S NOT AS SAFE AND SENSIBLE, UM, TO CROWD MORE PEOPLE ENDORSE.

SO, UM, WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS IS GOING TO GO ON NEXT YEAR.

SO I'VE APPRECIATED THE DEFERENCE THAT WAS SHOWN WITH TAVERN ON THE SQUARE TO ENABLE THEM TO STAY IN BUSINESS, WHICH THIS ACTUALLY HELPED WITH THAT.

UM, AND TO GIVE THEM AN EXTENSION, UM, TO GET THEM THROUGH THE DECENT WEATHER, BUT THAT HASN'T BEEN A PROBLEM THERE.

AND, AND WITH THE, THE PARKING GENERALLY WITH THINGS LIKE THIS, WE ARE NOT HAVING PARKING PROBLEMS DOWNTOWN RIGHT NOW.

AND A LOT OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC.

SO I WOULD KIND OF EXPECT THE EBB AND FLOW WHEN WE'RE NEEDING THESE THINGS TO BE SELF ADJUSTING.

UM, AND CERTAINLY WE CAN'T LET A BUNCH OF PARKLETS LINE UP.

WE CAN'T HAVE THEM LINED UP ALL THE STREETS AND TAKE ALL THE, ALL THE PARKING.

SO ANYWAY HAS NOT SO FAR BEEN A PROBLEM DOWNTOWN.

JUST IF THAT WAS A QUESTION.

THANK YOU, MS. SHARON.

YES, SIR.

I'VE GOT ANOTHER QUESTION.

OKAY.

UM, ON THIS BARLAGE, ARE THEY ALLOWED TO SMOKE OUT THERE? THE SMOKING ORDINANCE, THE INDOOR SMOKING ORDINANCE WOULD STILL APPLY.

AND IN MOST CASES, ESPECIALLY IN DOWNTOWN, IF THEY'RE WITHIN 50 FEET OF THAT DOOR, UM, OF AN OPERATING DOOR, UM, THEN, UM, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SMOKE IN THAT PARKLAND AREA, BUT THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THAT 50 FOOT RANGE AND THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO SMOKE.

OKAY.

FROM THAT PARTICULAR, UH, RESTAURANT OR BAR OR WHATEVER.

RIGHT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

FROM THE FRONT DOOR, IT'S A 50 FOOT, IT'S A 50 FOOT.

UM, OKAY.

OKAY.

THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.

THANK YOU, SIR.

I'LL TACK ONTO THAT.

IT'S SAME FOR ALCOHOL AS WELL.

YEAH.

I MEAN, I'LL TELL YOU OUT LOUD TO SEE ALCOHOL AND A PARKLET, I GUESS, SINCE THEY WERE ASSOCIATED WITH THE RESTAURANT THEN.

YEAH.

SO AS LONG AS THERE'S A CLEAR DEMARCATION DEMARCATION, UM, TABC, UM, SAYS THAT YOU ARE, THAT PREMISES GETS EXTENDED OUT TO THAT DEMARCATION.

SO AS LONG AS THERE IS A BORDER, SOMEWHERE AROUND IT, THE TABC WOULD ALLOW THAT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

AND I HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU HOST WAY AS WELL.

UM, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT TEMPORARY MAXIMUM OF 90 CALENDAR DAYS.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT IN YOUR PROPOSED ORDINANCE, I KNOW YOU FLIPPED THROUGH IT PRETTY QUICKLY IN THE REGULATIONS THAT WOULD PREVENT SOMEONE FROM TAKING IT DOWN FROM ONE DAY AND IMMEDIATELY APPLYING FOR ANOTHER 90 DAYS RIGHT AFTER THAT? NO, WE DON'T THINK ABOUT THAT.

UH, I MEAN, HE'S, HE'S JUST FOR 90 DAYS, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT WOULD, UH, EXPLICITLY PREVENT SOMEONE FROM DOING THAT.

UM, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER ADDING TO THE LANGUAGE, UH, TO PREVENT THAT SITUATION, IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO PREVENT.

YEAH.

AND I KNOW OUR NICE WEATHER, YOU MIGHT START IN MARCH PERHAPS SOMETIMES, AND THEY MIGHT WANT IT TO LAST ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE SUMMER.

AND THAT TAKES IT WELL PAST 90 DAYS BY THAT POINT.

SO THAT'S SOME PROBABLY WE'LL CONSIDER ON COUNCIL AS PART OF THE POLICY, BUT I'M ALSO HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT PROOF.

YOU SAID YOU REQUIRED PROOF OF CONSENT FROM NEIGHBORS.

SO, UM, YOU HAVE, FOR INSTANCE, TAVERN ON THE SQUARE, IT'S ON A CORNER.

WOULD YOU REQUIRE CONSENT FROM NEIGHBORS ON BOTH SIDES, EVEN THOUGH THE PARKWAY MAY BE ONLY ONE SIDE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE, UH, UH, WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND, AND DETERMINE WHETHER WE WANT TO, UH, INCLUDE THE NEIGHBOR WHERE, UH, WHAT DEPARTMENT IS NOW FACING, UH, IF HE'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.

UM,

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AND I, I KNOW MY OTHER QUESTION TOO, IF ONE NEIGHBOR SAYS, OKAY, AND THE OTHER SAYS, NO, IF THEY'RE MID-BLOCK OR SOMETHING THAT SHOULD POLICY QUESTION, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT LATER, BUT I I'M GENERALLY IN SUPPORT OF THE PROGRAM.

I KNOW WE'VE ONLY HAD THAT ONE PERMIT ISSUED SO FAR.

I'M LOOKING ONLINE HERE IN SAN MARCUS, HAD A SIMILAR TYPE PROGRAM.

THEY ISSUED THAT THEY EXPECT TO ONLY GO TO AUGUST AND WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL PASS THAT NOW.

SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO GET A COPY OF ALL OF YOUR REGULATIONS AND ALL YOUR, YOUR, UH, YOUR CHECKLIST AND GO THROUGH IT.

BUT I'M CERTAINLY IN FAVOR OF TAKING THIS ONTO THE ENTIRE COUNCIL TO, TO, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY GET THEIR OPINION AND DRAFTING AN ORDINANCE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO SUPPORT THIS.

YES, SIR.

IT COMES FROM AMERICA.

AND NOW GOING BACK TO WHAT, UH, CHAIRMAN DILLON SAY, BRIAN, UH, ON THIS, UH, THAT, UH, ALCOHOL OUTSIDE, OR THEY CAN TAKE, UH, BOTTLES OUTSIDE.

YES.

UNDER TABC RULES.

THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DRINK FROM BOTTLES ANYWHERE ON THE PREMISES.

AND LIKE I SAID, THAT THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PREMISES ARE EXTENDED TO WHEREVER IT'S BEEN, WHEREVER THEIR BOUNDARY OUTSIDE IS, IS LOCATED.

AS LONG AS THERE'S A CLEAR BOUNDARY OF THE PREMISES, THEN THEY CAN EXTEND IT OUT THERE UNTIL WE HAVE THE FIRST FIVE BOTTLES.

RIGHT.

THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY.

MATURE.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MARIA.

WELL THEN, UM, I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING ON.

IS THERE A MOTION TO TAKE THIS TO COUNCIL FOR THE RECOMMENDATION? MOST OF MY COUNCIL, MCLAREN AND I'LL SECOND ON FAVOR.

ALL RIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

WE'LL TAKE IT ON TO COUNCIL THEN AND AT HOST.

SO I'D LIKE TO SEE, UM, PERHAPS EVEN BEFORE THE COUNCIL GOES, COUNCIL, UH, JUST ALL THE CHECKLISTS, LIKE I SAID, AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND THEN, SO WE CAN START LOOKING AT THAT EARLY PERHAPS AND WHEN BE READY FOR WHEN WE REPORT TO COUNCIL.

CERTAINLY.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU.

UH, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT TOPIC THEN? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO TWO B REVIEW OF THE HOME AND HOME IMPROVEMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM.

I SEE SCOTT POPPING UP THERE.

HELLO, GOOD AFTERNOON.

HOW ARE YOU DOING WELL, SIR.

OKAY.

SO I BELIEVE THAT, UM, DO YOU OF THESE SHARE FIVE? YEAH.

UH, SO THE, UH, MAYOR AND CITY MANAGER, UM, ASKED THAT I BRING THAT I BRIEFED THE COMMITTEE REGARDING HOME IMPROVEMENT, INCENTIVE PROGRAM.

UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SO LITTLE TIME BETWEEN WHEN THE MONEY RAN OUT AND WHEN WE HAD TO MAKE OPERATING BUDGET DECISIONS THAT I THINK THEY JUST WANTED TO ENSURE YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING WHAT YOU WANT TO FROM THIS PROGRAM.

UM, UM, SO, UH, THERE'S JUST ABOUT 15 SLIDES HERE, SOME WITH PICTURES AND THEN SOME DISCUSSION AT THE END.

SO AS YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSE OF THE HOME IMPROVEMENT, INCENTIVE PROGRAMS TO INCENT HOMEOWNERS TO, TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXTERIOR OF THEIR HOMES, INCLUDING THE GOALS OF PREVENTING BLIGHT, IMPROVING PROPERTY VALUES, INCREASING THE COMPETITIVE DRAW OF GARLAND NEIGHBORHOODS, ET CETERA, A QUICK IMPLEMENTATION TIMELINE.

YOU APPROVED THAT ONE TIME FUNDING OF 250,000 IN THE FY 20 OPERATING BUDGET.

IT WAS AVAILABLE CITYWIDE, BUT WE INITIALLY ONLY PROMOTED IT, UM, IN THE, WHERE THE HEART IS AREA AT THE TIME.

UM, AND THEN AS SORT OF A SOFT LAUNCH OR AS A, AS A PILOT.

AND THEN, SO THE PROCESS WAS, WAS GOOD AT THAT POINT.

AND SO WE BEGAN PROMOTING IT, UH, CITYWIDE AND AROUND MID JUNE, I BRIEFED YOU ON JULY ON THE JULY 6TH WORK SESSION.

AND FROM THAT POINT FORWARD, THE APPLICATIONS JUST REALLY SKYROCKETED, UM, COMBINATION OF GCP, SOCIAL MEDIA COUNCIL MEETING.

UH, EVERY THE FUNDING HAD BEEN SUBSTANTIALLY COMMITTED BY JULY 27TH.

UM, AND AT THAT POINT I NOTIFIED CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE THAT IT WASN'T AT ZERO YET, BUT IT WAS AT THE POINT WHERE I, I DIDN'T THINK I COULD ACCEPT MORE FUNDING.

UM, AND THEN YOU APPROVED ANOTHER ONE TIME, UH, 250,000 IN THE CURRENT OPTION, READING BUDGET, SOME HIGHLIGHTS FOR HOW THE POLICY IS WRITTEN NOW.

UM, IT'S A CASH REBATE OF UP TO 50%, A $10,000 MAX OF QUALIFIED IMPROVEMENTS.

IT WAS INITIALLY A MINIMUM INVESTMENT OF $2,000.

UH, YOU, YOU UPDATED THAT AS A COUNCIL ON JULY SIX TO $1,000 TO PARTICIPATE.

THE PROPERTY MUST BE AT LEAST 30 YEARS OLD AND CANNOT EXCEED A TOTAL DK VALUE OF 175,000 RENTAL PROPERTIES ARE CURRENTLY ELIGIBLE.

AND THERE'S A MATERIALS REBATE.

AUBREY, THIS HARRISON OF WHAT I PRESENTED AT THE JULY 6TH WORK SESSION WITH, UM, WHAT DID, WHAT, WHAT IT IS AT AS OF OCTOBER 8TH,

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UH, YOU CAN SEE THE APPLICATIONS.

WE HAVE 45, UM, AS OF OCTOBER EIGHT, 15 ARE COMPLETED MONEY OUT THE DOOR.

UM, UH, REBATES SO FAR AT ABOUT 68,000 AS OF OCTOBER 8TH, WITH ANOTHER 172,000 COMMITTED, THE MEDIAN HOME VALUE OF APPROVED APPLICATIONS DROPPED SLIGHTLY.

AND THE MOST COMMON IMPROVEMENT IS STILL A REPLACED WINDOWS, AVERAGE REBATE OF, OF EVERYTHING WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN OUT THE DOOR.

AND CURRENTLY COMMITTED IS LITTLE OVER 5,000.

AND, UM, I'VE KNOWN ONLY FOUR APPLICATIONS HAVE AN, UH, AN INVESTMENT OF UNDER 4,000 AND NONE OF THEM ARE UNDER 2000.

SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF HIGHER END HIGHER DOLLAR APPLICATIONS THAN WE DO RESPECTED.

THERE'S A MAP OF THE APPROVED APPLICATIONS WHERE THEY OCCUR THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

UM, AGAIN THAT THE, WHERE THE HEART IS AREAS THAT AREA THAT'S SOUTH OF .

SO, UM, ESPECIALLY THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THAT, THAT'S THE AREA THAT WE FOCUSED ON FOR WHERE THE HEART IS.

UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER, UH, THE OTHER APPROVED APPLICATIONS ARE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

SO JUST AN EXAMPLE OF ONE, THIS IS A YOUNG COUPLE THAT JUST RECENTLY MOVED TO GARLAND ON SIX 40 CHANDLER.

UM, THEY, THEY HAD SOME SIDING ISSUES.

THEY REPLACED THE WHOLE HOUSE, A WHOLE HOUSE SIDING, REPLACED EXTERIOR DOORS, REPLACED WINDOWS AND TRIM, A FEW OTHER IMPROVEMENTS.

THEY, SO THEY INVESTED $21,000 INTO THIS PROPERTY.

SO THEY GOT THEIR MAXIMUM REBATE OF 10,000, ANOTHER ONE AT 2,701 FAIRFAX, I BELIEVE THIS HOME WAS BUILT IN 1959, I THINK IS THE, UH, THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE, BUT REPLACED THE FRED'S REPLACED THE DRIVEWAY, REPAINT THE HOUSE THERE, 16,000 PUT INTO THIS PROPERTY FOR REBATE ABOUT 8,435.

THE HOMEOWNER IS BEYOND THRILLED.

YEAH.

HE SAID IT'S LIKE LIVING IN A BRAND NEW HOUSE.

HE'S VERY EXCITED.

I, I THINK HE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF HE, IF HE GOT IT, IF HE BOUGHT IT OUT RIGHT.

OR HE, HE, HE INHERITED FROM PARENTS OR WHATEVER IT IS, BUT, UH, HE, HE ONLY, HE ONLY LIVED IN THE HOUSE, I THINK ABOUT FIVE YEARS AND THEN, UH, UH, DID ALL THIS WORK TO, AND HE'S, HE'S THRILLED WITH THE RESULT.

SO, UH, HERE'S ALL THE REPAIR TIME.

SO THIS WON'T ADD UP TO 45 BECAUSE YOU CAN APPLY FOR MORE THAN ONE IMPROVEMENT ON AN APPLICATION, BUT, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE TOP THREE THERE REPLACED WINDOWS, REPLACEMENTS AND REPAINT HOUSE.

UM, WE'VE HAD, UM, FOR FOUNDATION REPAIRS.

I KNOW THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER GIBBONS WAS PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN, UH, MAYBE THE REST OF THE, OF THE, OF THE COMMITTEE, BUT HERE'S THE REPAIR TYPES OF IMPROVED, APPROVED PROJECTS.

WE'RE GOING TO COMPLAIN IT'S, YOU CAN SEE FAR AND AWAY.

THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT I GET IS THE MAXIMUM APPROVED.

VALUE'S TOO LOW.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE, AT THE JULY 6TH WORK SESSION.

UM, AND JUST IN, JUST TALKING WITH FOLKS, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THIS, MY SENSE IS THAT IF YOU DRAW A LINE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE COMPLAINTS, I THINK, UNLESS THERE IS NO LINE, UM, WHEREVER YOU DRAW THE LINE, THERE'S, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME PEOPLE THAT FALL, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THAT LINE AND WON'T BE ABLE TO APPLY.

AND SOME WON'T BE HAPPY.

I'M NOT, NOT SUGGESTING ANY POLICY THERE.

I'M JUST SAYING, JUST PLEASE BE AWARE OF THAT, THAT I DON'T THINK UNLESS THERE IS NO LINE, UNLESS THERE IS NO MAXIMUM CAP VALUE, THEN I'M NOT SURE THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO CHANGE MUCH.

UH, NONE OF THE COMMUNICATION WITH THE PROGRAM MANAGER, THE GCAT VALUE CONSIDERED NEEDS TO BE MORE CLEAR.

I THINK I'VE CORRECTED THAT IN THE POLICY IN TALKING TO SEE WHAT THE MISUNDERSTANDING WAS.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT VALUES LISTED ON D CAD AND, AND THEY WERE, THEY WERE USING A DIFFERENT ONE.

SO I'VE, I'VE, I'VE MADE THE POLICY MORE CLEAR.

I JUST MADE THAT CHANGE MYSELF.

BUT, UM, AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S A FEW OTHERS PROGRAM COMPLIMENTS YOU CAN COMBINE GOOD USE OF TAX DOLLARS.

AND PROGRAM IS A GOOD THING FOR GARLAND, I SUPPOSE.

BUT, UM, UH, THESE ARE COPY AND PASTE FROM EMAILS.

I FELT LIKE THESE WERE, UM, REPRESENTATIVE OF SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE COMPLIMENTS I'VE GOTTEN ABOUT THE PROGRAM.

SO, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE PARTICIPATED VERY HAPPY WITH IT, AND, UM, YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, POWER BILLS LOWER AND, AND, UM, THE BIDDING PROCESS AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.

SO, UM, WHAT TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS PROVIDE MOST BANG FOR BUCK? I THINK THAT'S THE, ONE OF THE TOPICS HERE TO DISCUSS.

I CAN WALK, I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH THAT ONE, BUT SOME OTHER ONES THAT THE COMMITTEE COULD BE INTERESTED IN A MINIMUM INVESTMENT, IF YOU WANTED TO CHANGE THAT NUMBER AT ALL, A MATERIALS UPGRADE BONUS.

I'M NOT SURE IT, I MEAN, IT'S FINE.

I'M JUST NOT SURE HE DOES MUCH.

I'M NOT SURE IT ACTUALLY CHANGES PEOPLE'S OPINIONS ON WHAT TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT TO DO IT'S, UM, AS

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IT, AS IT CURRENTLY IS, UH, CHAIN GRADUATED INVESTMENT I'LL, I'LL EXPLAIN THAT.

UM, SOMEONE, UH, THIS WAS PROBABLY A CITY STAFF MEMBERS SUGGESTED SIGNAGE INDICATING THAT THAT, THAT PROPERTY IS PARTICIPATING IN THIS PROGRAM TO, TO GIVE SOME MORE, UM, I GUESS MORE LOVE TO THE PROGRAMS AND THE CITY OF GARLAND ON, ON HAVING THIS PROGRAM, UH, FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR WHERE THE HEART IS, AND THEN A ROLL OUT STRATEGY FOR, UM, THOSE ON THE WAIT LIST.

SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF, OF TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR IN COST.

UM, I SHOWED YOU THE ONE AND HE GAVE ME PERMISSION TO USE HIS ADDRESS.

I SHOWED YOU THE ONE EARLIER 27 OH ONE FAIRFAX, AND THEN ON THE LEFT, UM, YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE VERY CLOSE IN PROJECT COST, BUT THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS JUST REPLACING A FENCE.

THAT'S THE ONLY, THAT'S THE ONLY PROJECT DONE HERE.

UM, IT WAS A CHAIN LINK FENCE, AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF IT THAT, THAT FACES THE FRONT, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, BUT THE REST OF IT'S AROUND THE BACK AND SEE VERY NICE FENCE, UM, RESISTANT TO, TO, UM, WEATHERING AND ROD AND ALL OF THAT INCLUDED A SLIDING GATE VERSUS THE ONE ON THE RIGHT HAS, UM, A PRETTY EXTENSIVE VISUAL IMPROVEMENT.

SO BOTH OF THESE ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN THE PROGRAM, UM, MAY HAVE SIMILAR, THESE TWO PROJECTS HAVE A SIMILAR PROJECT COST, AND THEN HERE'S ANOTHER ONE.

UM, THE ONE ON THE LEFT ISN'T FINAL YET, BUT IT SHOULD BE FINAL SOON.

IT WAS JUST REPAIR FOUNDATION AND REMOVE ACCESSORY BUILDING.

UM, AS, AS THOSE ARE BOTH ELIGIBLE IMPROVEMENTS VERSUS THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, WHICH WAS A RENTAL PROPERTY, UM, HAD FOUNDATION REPAIR, BUT ALSO A LOT OF OTHER THINGS INCLUDED.

UM, I THINK I HAVE GOT THERE.

I THINK THERE ARE FOUR TOTAL, UM, RENTAL PROPERTIES THAT OUT OF THE 45 THAT ARE APPROVED APPLICATIONS.

I THINK IT'S FOUR.

I CAN DOUBLE CHECK THAT.

UM, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY IN THE SINGLE DIGITS, UM, AS, AS, UH, PARTICIPANTS IN THE PROGRAM, UM, THAT WAS ANOTHER QUESTION COUNCIL MEMBER GIBBONS HAD.

SO, UM, THIS IS, I, I FOR SURE NEED YOUR HELP WITH THAT LAST ONE.

HOW, HOW YOU WANT TO, HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT? UM, BUT THE OTHERS, UH, ARE TOPICS FOR CONSIDERATION AND YOU MAY HAVE OTHERS THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN.

UH, AND I AM HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THOSE COUNCILMAN.

DARREN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING I WANT TO KNOW HOW COME YOU HAVE ONLY ONE ON DISTRICT SIX APPLICATION THERE, BECAUSE I HAD A FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE CALL ME THAT THEY WANTED TO DO IT, BUT YOU WERE ALREADY SHUT DOWN.

YOU COULDN'T TAKE THE MORE, UH, WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T TRACK WHERE THE APPLICATION INQUIRIES COME FROM.

JUST THE APPROVED APPLICATIONS WHERE THEY ARE.

UM, I KNOW MR. AND MRS. TURNER WERE ONE OF THOSE.

UM, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO, I'D HAVE TO TALK TO THEM INDIVIDUALLY.

I'M NOT SURE, NOT IN MY DISTRICT.

I GOT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE NEED TO FIX THEIR PLACES.

RIGHT.

ESPECIALLY FENCES, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, UM, AND WHERE'S THIS MONEY COMING FROM? UH, YOU AUTHORIZED IT IN THE GENERAL FUND.

UM, I MEAN, IT'S IN MY BUDGET, BUT IT'S, IT'S JUST, JUST GENERAL FUND OPERATING BUDGET.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL KIM COUNSELING MORRISSEY HAD YOUR HAND UP? I THINK I PROBABLY NEVER LOWERED MY HAND LAST TIME, BUT CONVENIENTLY.

UM, SO I WOULD STILL SPEAKING AS A LANDLORD WHO OWNS A LOT OF RENTAL PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF GARLAND, MY OPINION.

I STILL THINK WE OUGHT TO TAKE INVESTMENT PROPERTY OUT OF THIS.

AS COUNCILMAN VERA POINTS OUT.

THERE ARE A LOT OF HOMEOWNERS INDIVIDUALS IN THIS CITY WHO HAVE LIMITED FUNDS, AND I FIND IT UNFAIR TO EXPEND OUR TAX FUNDS, TO HELP PEOPLE IMPROVE THEIR OWN INVESTMENT FOR WHICH THEY RECEIVE PROFIT.

UM, I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME SEEING THAT AS BEING PROPER AND APPROPRIATE.

AND SO FOR MY 2 CENTS, I WOULD THROW IT OUT THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER EXCLUDING, UH, INVESTMENT PROPERTIES FROM THIS PROGRAM TO MAKE ROOM FOR MORE INDIVIDUALS AND SCOTT, YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.

IT'S VERY EXCITING TO SEE SOME OF THESE THINGS.

UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THE COMPARISON YOU BROUGHT UP WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD VALUE

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OF A FENCE VERSUS THE MORE VISIBLE, UM, FOR THE SAME DOLLARS, THAT'S A VERY VALID COMPARISON POINT.

AND SINCE ONE BIG THRUST OF THIS PROGRAM IS, YOU KNOW, LIFTING ALL THE BOATS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, I THINK THAT THOSE KINDS OF CONSIDERATIONS AND NUANCES, CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CALCULATED AND, AND DECIDED ON, UM, ONGOING.

BUT, UM, ANYWAY, AND FOR SOME REASON I WAS NOT AWARE THAT YOU DID FOUNDATIONS THAT WA AND I GOT, I GOT A CALL FROM DISTRICT ONE TODAY, CAUSE WE'RE ALL BABYSITTING DISTRICT ONE RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S, UH, A WOMAN DISABLED LOW-INCOME WHO, WHOSE HOUSE SHE ACTUALLY HAS HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE, BUT SHE DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH FOR, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE DEDUCTIBLE TO GET THE FOUNDATION REPAIRED, WHICH IS BADLY NEEDED.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE WOULD FALL IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND I MAYBE TALKED TO YOU AFTERWARDS ABOUT THAT KINDA DEVIATING, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THAT ANYWAY, I'M IMPRESSED WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

UM, OVERALL I LOVE THE PROGRAM.

UM, I THINK IT'S BEEN ONE OF OUR MOST SUCCESSFUL PROGRAMS WE'VE HAD IN YEARS.

I WOULD STILL LIKE TO SEE OUR, OUR INVESTORS EXCLUDED FROM THIS.

I JUST DON'T FIND THAT PROPER, BUT THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

YES, SIR.

UH, I'VE GOT ANOTHER QUESTION FOR SCOTT SINCE WE WERE TALK, UH, SCOTT, HOW MANY RENTAL PROPERTIES PUT APPLICATIONS IN, UH, PUT IN APPLICATIONS? I'M NOT SURE.

I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY TRACK THAT.

UM, BUT CAN WE, CAN WE TRACK IT FROM NOW ON? SURE.

YEAH, WE CAN RENT A PROPERTY, LIKE, LIKE, UH, UH, COUNCIL, WOMAN THAT MAURICE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ISN'T THAT FAIR FOR A LOT OF OUR CITIZENS THAT PAY TAXES AND EVERYTHING AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M WITH HER ABOUT RENTAL PROPERTIES.

THERE WERE, THERE WERE FOUR, I JUST CONFIRMED IT.

JUST ONE OF THEM IS KIND OF WEIRD.

IT WAS, IT WAS A RENTAL PROPERTY OWNERS.

TELL ME, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD DO DIFFERENT DISTRICTS INSTEAD OF JUST CONCENTRATING ON ONE AREA? LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE APPRAISED VALUE CAP, UH, YOU KNOW, I SUPPOSE EXCLUDE SOME AREAS.

RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

I UNDERSTAND.

AS FAR AS DESIGNATING MONEY FOR DISTRICTS, I WOULD HAVE TO.

NO, NO, NO.

I DON'T MEAN THAT'S IN HAYDEN MONEY FOR DISTRICT.

I'M TALKING ABOUT APPLICATIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DIVIDED AMONG THE CITY.

RIGHT.

AREAS THAT REALLY NEED IT.

YEAH.

THAT, I MEAN, IF, UM, I'M HAPPY TO TALK OR WORK THROUGH THAT WITH COUNSEL.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE ALL I HAVE TO TELL ME TO DO THAT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

NO, I'LL JUST, WE'RE JUST TALKING.

OKAY.

THAT'S ALL BEN SHERMAN.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UM, IT'S GOT TO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU THAT $175,000 VALUATION.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF HOMES IN THE CITY THAT ENCOMPASS? I DON'T, UH, I HAD, I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH, ON ME.

I CAN LEAVE IT TO YOU, BUT, UM, IT'S, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST TIME I SAW IT.

YEAH.

I SEEM TO REMEMBER, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER EITHER, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE COME BACK AND PRESENT THIS COUNCIL, THAT'S BE A GOOD NUMBER TO HAVE JUST SO WE CAN GET SOME INFORMATION ON WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE CITIZENS THAT HAD COME TO THIS AND THEN WHERE WE CAN SET THAT BAR, IF WE NEED TO RAISE IT OR LOWER, IT SOUNDS LIKE WITH THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS THAT ARE ON THE HOLD LIST, THAT NUMBER IS, AND MAYBE EVEN HIGH, YOU KNOW, AND THAT IS THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT IS THAT IT'S, UH, THE BAR WAS TOO HIGH IN THAT POINT.

WELL, I KNOW THAT HOME VALUATIONS ARE CERTAINLY GOING UP IF YOU LOOK AT THE APPRAISAL VALUES, BUT, UM, I, I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THE CURRENT WAIT LIST.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WEIGHTLESS.

WE HAVE IT'S EVEN IF WITH THIS ADDITIONAL $250,000, THOSE FUNDS MAY BE COMPLETELY WIPED OUT BY THE WAIT LIST.

THERE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S JUST SO MUCH DEMAND FOR THIS ABOUT HALF I'D SAY I TOOK TO CLARIFY WHAT I SAY, THE WAITLIST, THOSE WERE APPLICATIONS THAT WERE MIDSTREAM.

SO THEY WERE, THERE WAS FUNDING AVAILABLE WHEN THEY APPLIED.

AND THEN BY THE TIME, YOU KNOW, THERE, THEY CAME UP IN THE QUEUE, WE WERE OUT OF MONEY, SO I STOPPED ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS.

UM, BUT, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THAT NUMBER COMES FROM.

THAT'S HOLDING THOSE APPLICATIONS NOW.

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AND YES, SIR.

AND, AND I'VE, I'VE COMMUNICATING WITH ALL OF THOSE 19.

THEY, THEY KNOW THAT THEY KNOW WE'RE MEETING TODAY.

THEY I'VE BEEN TELLING THEM EVERY STEP OF THE WAY WHAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO THEY'RE NOT JUST, THEY'RE NOT JUST HANGING OUT THERE, BUT, UM, IN FACT, ONE OF THEM, I THINK, I THINK NOW I HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING TO GO AHEAD AND ACCEPT THE NUMBER ONE ON THE LIST, BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S NOT AS MUCH CUSHION AS I THOUGHT I NEEDED, FOR EXAMPLE, BUT, UH, YEAH, I, I'M JUST, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON, ON ROLLING THAT OUT.

AND THAT WAS ONLY THE FIRST 250,000, CORRECT? YES, SIR.

LIKE, SO FISCAL YEAR, BEGINNING, AND THEN ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A POLICY DECISION FOR US ON HOW TO HANDLE THAT LIST? OR ARE YOU PLANNING ON JUST GOING RIGHT DOWN THE LIST IN THE ORDER THEY WERE TAKEN? I WOULD, I MEAN, I WOULD, I WOULD DEFINITELY GO DOWN THE LIST.

I MEAN, I WOULD START MAKING SURE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, UM, APPLICATION INFORMATION IS VALID UP TO DATE.

THEY'RE STILL WANT TO DO THE PROJECT THAT WOULD MAKE SURE ALL THOSE THINGS ARE, ARE IN PLACE.

AND THEN, UH, JUST GO DOWN THE LIST IN THE ORDER THEY WERE RECEIVED, JUST LIKE I HAVE WITH, WITH THE OTHERS.

UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS ONE, IT, I, IF IT'S ANYTHING LIKE JULY WAS, UM, WHEN WE DO OPEN IT, IT'S NOT GOING TO LAST VERY LONG.

IT, IF IT'S LIKE THAT, IF IT LIFE IT'S LIKE JULY WAS, THEN IF WE FIND THE WAIT LIST WITH OUR CURT, WITH OUR NUTRIENT ARE 50,000 AND THEN OPEN IT UP, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO LAST, I WOULD SAY TWO TO THREE WEEKS, IF WE WERE AT THE PACE OF, OF WE WERE IN JULY, WHICH WERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF PROMOTION WITH THAT, BY THE WAY, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS, UM, UH, WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE AS MANY AS WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO BY JULY 6TH.

SO WE REALLY AMPED UP THE PROMOTION AND THEN WE GOT BOMBARDED.

BUT IF, IF AT THAT PACE, IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO LAST VERY LONG.

I WANT TO MAKE COUNCIL AWARE OF THAT.

AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO DIFFERENTLY, LET ME KNOW.

BUT, UM, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THERE'S 19 PEOPLE OR 18, MAYBE THAT, UH, APPLICATIONS THAT, THAT ARE, THAT HAD APPLIED AND, AND APPEAR TO BE VALID APPLICATIONS THAT COULD BE FUNDED WITH THE NEW MONEY.

OKAY.

SO YOU'VE ALREADY PRE-SCREENED THOSE.

I WAS GOING TO ASK ON THE ONES THAT REJECTED.

IT WAS JUST BECAUSE SOLELY THE EVALUATION WAS TOO HIGH OR WAS THERE AN ACCURACY IS ON THE APPLICATION? NO, I DON'T THINK I'VE REJECTED A SINGLE APPLICATION DUE TO AN INACCURACY.

IN FACT, IF I GET AN APPLICATION AND IT'S MISSING ONE PIECE OF PAPERWORK OR SOMETHING, I'LL JUST GIVE THEM A LITTLE TIME TO GET IT, GET IT INTO ME.

I DON'T JUST OUTRIGHT REJECTED.

IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, UH, KINDA LIKE WHAT HOUSING COMMUNITY SERVICES DOES.

YOU KNOW, THEY, IT HAS TO BE A SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE APPLICATION IF THERE'S A TYPO OR SOMETHING, WE'LL JUST FIX THAT.

THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS MISSING ALL YOU DO TO SEND AN APPLICATION WE'LL THEN NO, I'LL REJECT THAT.

I HAVEN'T HAD TO DO THAT.

AND EVERY REJECTION I'VE GIVEN IT TO THE GCAT VALUE.

AND I KNOW COUNCIL, COUNCILMAN MORRIS HAD HER HAND UP AS WELL.

SORRY, THAT JUST REMINDED ME, I'D FORGOTTEN ABOUT OUR WAITLIST.

SCOTT, IS THIS WAITLIST, UM, ARE THESE FROM THE INITIAL PILOT AREA OR ARE THESE FROM ALL OVER THE CITY AND FROM ALL OVER THE CITY? OKAY.

BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN THIS CAME, FLEW PAST COUNCIL LAST TIME THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF RESISTANCE TO THE IDEA OF PUTTING THE WAITLIST BEFORE NEW PEOPLE, IF THAT WAS STILL FROM, WITH THEM, THAT THE, UM, HIGHLAND AREA, BUT THIS IS NOT HIGHLAND AREA.

I DON'T THINK, LET ME LOOK REAL QUICK.

I DON'T THINK A SINGLE ONE IS FROM THE PA, MAYBE ONE IS FROM THE PILOT AREA, BUT MOST OF THEM ARE NOT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

YEAH.

CAUSE THAT, THAT WAS JUST THE FAIRNESS ASPECT.

SINCE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THESE PEOPLE GOT A HEAD START AND THEY GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF FUNDING AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE THAT RESTRICTIVE WITH THE REST OF THE CITY.

SO.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN, UH, SCOTT ON THIS, UM, UH, DO YOU GO BY THE D CAT TO GET THE EVALUATION OF THE HOUSES? YES, SIR.

I USE THE, UM, THE MARKET VALUE THAT'S LISTED THERE.

UM, UH, WHICH INCLUDES LAND PLUS THE IMPROVEMENT.

OKAY.

THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU.

SURE.

ALL RIGHT.

IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM AND IF NOT, THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PREPARE A PRESENTATION AND HAVE SCOTT COME PRESENT BEFORE COUNCIL AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS ANY CHANGES WE NEED TO MAKE THE PROGRAMS. APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU ALL.

AND IF YOU'VE COME UP WITH SOMETHING JUST, YEAH, JUST EMAIL ME AS USUAL.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

WELL, DO YOU THINK THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM? WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR LAST ITEM IS REVIEWING THE ORDINANCES REGARDING BACKYARD COTTAGES AND ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.

UH, HOW LONG WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS NEXT ITEM.

I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS ITEM, IF WE, BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY HAVE

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ONE HOUR FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

YEAH.

AND WE'VE GOT TO EAT SOMETHING.

OKAY.

I DON'T KNOW MR. GUARANTEE, IF YOU HAVE A LONG PRESENTATION OR WE CAN PUSH IT TO OUR NEXT MEETING.

I KNOW WE'VE BEEN HAVING SOME GOOD DISCUSSION ON THE PAST TO JEANNINE.

SURE.

UH, I MEAN THE PRESENTATION ITSELF IS VERY BRIEF.

IT'S REALLY JUST, UM, GOING OVER WHERE, UH, GUEST HOUSES AND RENTAL UNITS ARE ALLOWED, WHETHER BY SUP OR, OR NOT AT ALL, UM, BY ZONING DISTRICT.

AND THEN I BEGAN THE DEFINITIONS IN THERE.

THE DEFINITE THE, EXCUSE ME, THE PRESENTATION IS ONLY LIKE TWO OR THREE SLIDES, I GUESS.

IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE DISCUSSION PUSHED TO ME, THEN WE CAN, WE CAN DO IT.

YEAH, GO AHEAD THROUGH THEN.

GO AHEAD.

YES, SIR.

GO AHEAD.

ALL RIGHT.

GREAT.

LET ME SHARE A SCREEN HERE.

OKAY.

CAN YOU ALL SEE THAT? YES.

OKAY.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, UM, EXACTLY WHAT WAS, UM, WHAT THE PLAN OF THE DISCUSSION WAS HERE, BUT I'LL AT LEAST KIND OF GO OVER WHAT THE, HOW THE GDC, UM, REGULATES THESE.

SO, UH, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, AS THEY'RE CALLED IN THE GDC, WE HAVE, UH, REALLY TWO CLASSIFICATIONS FOR THESE.

AND SOME OF YOU, UH, ARE, YOU MAY RECALL SEEING SOME ON THE FIRST ONE, UH, WITHIN THE LAST YEAR OR SO, UM, GUEST HOUSES.

UM, WE HAD A COUPLE OF STPS THAT COUNCIL APPROVED ONE IN DISTRICT ONE AND ANOTHER IN DISTRICT TWO, A LITTLE FURTHER BACK.

UM, THESE ARE ALLOWED BY SUP ONLY, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA, SUP ONLY, AND THE AG SINGLE FAMILY ESTATE, UH, WHICH HAS SFE SF 10, AN SF SEVEN ZONING DISTRICTS.

SO AGAIN, THOSE ARE ONLY BEST CP IF THEY'RE NOT IN ANY OF THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED AT ALL.

UM, UH, HOWEVER THEY ARE ALLOWED BY, RIGHT.

AND THE DOWNTOWN ZONING DISTRICTS.

UM, AND THESE, AS YOU MAY RECALL FROM, UH, THOSE CASES, UM, GUEST HOUSES MAY NOT BE RENTED.

SO I THINK IN THE CASES THAT WENT IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE, WELL, THE APPLICANTS UNDERSTOOD IT, WHO WAS GOING TO BE LIVING THERE, I GUESS, DID IT MATTER, BUT THE APPLICANTS UNDERSTOOD THAT REGULATION.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER, UH, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, UM, OUR RENTAL UNITS, THOSE OBVIOUSLY ARE ALLOWED TO BE RENTED AND THOSE ARE ALLOWED BY SUP ONLY, AND THE AG AND SFE ZONING DISTRICTS OUTSIDE THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

UM, BUT THEY ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN DOWNTOWN.

AND THEN THIS NEXT SLIDE OF PASTED, UH, THE DEFINITION IS JUST STRAIGHT FROM THE GDC.

UM, THERE'S, UH, A GENERAL BROAD DEFINITION FOR ACCESSORY DWELLINGS AND THEN THE SPECIFIC DEFINITIONS FOR GUEST HOUSES AND RENTAL UNITS JUST, UH, JUST FOR REFERENCE.

UM, AND WITH THAT, UM, THAT WAS REALLY ALL I HAD TO KIND OF START THE CONVERSATION.

SEE WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS OR, UM, DISCUSSIONS THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO HAVE ON THIS.

I'VE GOT A QUESTION.

GO AHEAD, SIR.

UM, WELL, UM, WHAT KIND OF DWELLING ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A MORGAN BUILDING OR A SHED THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, A DETACHED GARAGE MADE INTO A HOUSE OR, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE COTTAGE? UM, RIGHT.

I MEAN, SO, UH, RIGHT.

IT WOULD BE A DETACHED UNIT.

UH, TYPICALLY WE WOULD SEE HIM MAYBE IN A BACKYARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO BUILDING PERMITS AND BUILDING INSPECTIONS, MEETING THE APPLICABLE BUILDING CODES AND FIRE CODES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, SO IF, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A SHED, FOR INSTANCE, IT WOULD HAVE TO, UH, COME UP, COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH, UM, CAUSE I, I, IN MY DISTRICT, I GOT YOUNG PEOPLE LIVING ON, UM, MORGAN BUILDING.

THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE A PERMIT OR ANYTHING.

THEY JUST BEEN SLIPPING ON THERE.

YEAH, WE DO OCCASIONALLY, UM, GET, UH, QUESTIONED OR FROM CODE COMPLIANCE, ASKING, YOU KNOW, PLANNING AND GOING SPECTRUM, HEY, WAS THIS ISSUE TO PERMIT OR AN SUP? SO, UM, OFTENTIMES THE ANSWER IS NO, SO THAT'S GOOD.

NOBODY, NOBODY HAS A GRANDFATHER CLAUSE THERE.

RIGHT? IF IT WAS, I SUPPOSE, IF IT WAS PROPERLY PERMITTED AT ONE POINT LEGALLY PERMITTED, AT ONE POINT, WHETHER THE ZONING COME TO LOUD, LOUD IT, OR WHATEVER THE SITUATION WAS, IF IT WAS ISSUED A LEGAL PERMIT, THEN, THEN I BELIEVE THEY WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED.

UM, I THINK THEY'VE BEEN A LOT OF MORGAN BUILDINGS PUT IN BACKYARDS THAT WERE FOR LIKE A SHED, YOU

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KNOW, AND NOW THEY'RE TURNED INTO A LIVING QUARTER.

THAT'S WHAT I'M DRIVING, MAN.

THAT'S ALL MATURE.

HERE WE GO.

THANK YOU, SIR.

I KNOW COUNCIL HERE MORE.

SO YOU BROUGHT THIS ITEM UP BEFORE A COMMITTEE AND YOU REALLY SAID IT WAS REALLY A WAY TO PROVIDE MORE DENSITY AND PERHAPS EVEN BACKYARD OFFICES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR PEOPLE TO REMOTE WORKING.

WHEN DID YOU HAVE IN MIND THAT YOU WANTED THE COMMUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT FOR THIS ITEM? I WANTED THE COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER SURROUNDING CITIES, INCLUDING PLANO WHO HAVE IN THE LAST 18 MONTHS PASSED BACKYARD COTTAGE OR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT ORDINANCES TO ALLOW NEW CONSTRUCTION OF BACKYARD COTTAGES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

AND, AND THIS ISN'T THIS ISN'T PEOPLE LIVING IN SHEDS.

UM, SO HERE IS, YOU KNOW, HERE IS PLAINTIFF'S CHECKLISTS.

YOU KNOW, THE LAW HAS TO BE AT LEAST 6,000 SQUARE FEET.

THE COTTAGE IS AT LEAST 400 SQUARE FEET.

UM, COTTAGE DOES NOT EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THE MAIN DWELLING UNIT.

IT'S AT LEAST 10 FEET AWAY FROM THE MAIN DWELLING UNIT IT'S LOCATED BEHIND THE MAIN DWELLING UNIT.

THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF COTTAGE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE MAIN HOUSE, AT LEAST ONE ADDITIONAL ALL STREET PARKING SPACE PROVIDED THE COTTAGE, PROVIDES A KITCHEN BATHROOM AND SLEEPING AREA.

PROPERTY OWNER MUST RESIDE IN EITHER THE BACKYARD COTTAGE OR MAIN DWELLING UNIT.

UH, THEY, THEY HAVE A PRETTY EXTENSIVE ORDINANCE THAT THEY PASSED.

UM, AND IT'S FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE FOR INCREASING DENSITY WITHOUT GOING TO MULTIFAMILY.

UM, AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY A LOT OF THIS IS AIMED AT ELDERLY PARENTS, UM, MOVING ON TO THE PROPERTY AND A GUEST HOUSE BEHIND THEIR ADULT CHILDREN OR FOR COLLEGE STUDENTS HAVING A PLACE OR FOUR OFFICES.

A LOT OF PEOPLE NOW HAVE, UM, DISCOVERED REMOTE WORKING AND HAVING A SEPARATE BUILDING THAT THEY CAN USE AS AN OFFICE.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS A TREND.

UM, IT'S HAPPENING IN A LOT OF OTHER CITIES ACROSS THE NATION.

AND I WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT THOSE OTHER ORDINANCES, CONSIDER THEM AND SEE IF WE, UM, IF WE WANT TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION BECAUSE WHAT WE, WHAT WE DON'T WANT.

AND WE HAVE ENOUGH OF PEOPLE, UH, LIKE COUNCILMAN DEROSE TALKING ABOUT JUST, UM, SLUMMING OR JAMMING INTO SOME BACKYARD, CHET, THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.

THAT'S NEVER GOING TO BE APPROPRIATE, BUT THESE BACKYARD COTTAGES, IF, IF THEY WERE WELL-DEFINED, IF THEY WERE PERMITTED AND IF WE SPECIFICALLY ALLOWED THEM, THIS COULD BE A PRETTY CONTROLLABLE WAY TO BRING MORE DENSITY TO NEIGHBORHOODS WITHOUT IT BEING AN EYESORE, WITHOUT IT BEING A TRAFFIC ISSUE, WITHOUT IT BEING ADDITIONAL PARKING ISSUES.

UM, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY PURPOSE.

AND SENDING IT IS FOR US TO EXAMINE THAT WE HAVE GOT AN AGING POPULATION IN GARLAND.

WE, WE HAVE NOWHERE NEAR ENOUGH SENIOR LIVING FACILITIES.

AND I HAVE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF PEOPLE SAYING, CAN I BUILD A HOUSE, A LITTLE HOUSE FOR MY ELDERLY PARENTS IN MY BACKYARD AND MOVED THEM HERE FROM MINNESOTA OR MOVED THEM HERE FROM SOMEWHERE THAT'S THAT IS AN INCREASING QUESTION.

I DON'T EXPECT THOSE KINDS OF QUESTIONS TO GET LESS.

UM, WE ARE ALL GETTING OLDER.

SO, UM, THAT WAS WHY I BROUGHT THIS UP AND, AND CHAIRMAN HEADRICK, I THINK I SENT YOU A NUMBER OF LINKS TO SOME OF THOSE OTHER, UM, ORDINANCES AND THE WAY THAT THEY'RE HANDLED.

SO THAT WAS REALLY WHAT I WAS HOPING TO HAVE EXAMINED.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

MA'AM YES, SIR.

OKAY.

I HAVE ONE HOUSE RIGHT HERE NEXT TO ME THAT HAS, UH, A LITTLE COTTAGE IN THE BACK FOR, IT WAS FOR THIS GUY'S MOTHER, LIKE COMES FROM WOMAN DEBRA MORGAN SAYING, AND THEY MOVED OUT AFTER SHE DIED AND THEY SOLD OUT THE HOUSE.

NOW, GUESS WHAT? THEY'RE RENTING.

THEY WERE RENTING THE COTTAGE TO SOMEBODY ELSE BECAUSE THEY'RE RENTING THE HOUSE.

SO THEY RAN THE COTTAGE TOO IN THE BACK.

SO THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW ABOUT THAT.

SO THAT'S MY 2 CENTS.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UH, MR. GARY, IT SOUNDS LIKE I HAVE SOME INFORMATION THAT COUNSELING MORRIS PROVIDED, AND I'M HAPPY TO SEND THAT TO YOU AND PERHAPS TABLE THIS ITEM, AND YOU COULD DO SOME RICHARD LOOKING AT THE PLANO AND COMPARE THEIR ORDINANCE TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON THE BOOKS.

AND THEN WE CAN SEE IF

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THERE'S ANY CHANGES WE WOULD PERHAPS LIKE TO MAKE OR ADDITIONS TO OURS, OR WHAT MAY HAVE YOU TO TRY TO EXPAND, POSSIBLY EXPAND THIS PROGRAM.

SO, UM, I'M HAPPY TO SEND THOSE TO YOU.

SO I'M FINE FOR TABLING THE PHONE UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING.

COUNCILMAN BERRA.

DOES THAT SOUND TO YOU? YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

OKAY.

VERY GOOD.

THEN WE'LL DO THAT AND WE WILL, UH, LET YOU TO COME BACK AND I APPRECIATE THE OVERVIEW, THE INITIAL OVERVIEW OF OURS, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT PLANO AND OTHER CITIES HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS AS WELL, SO.

OKAY.

SOUNDS GOOD.

ALL RIGHT, WELL THANK YOU, SIR.

AND, UH, THANK YOU EVERYONE.