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          ZOOM THE RECORDING. 
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UH, GOOD 
          [Transportation Infrastructure Mobility Committee Meeting on March 16, 2021.]
AFTERNOON. 
          IT IS 5:05 PM ON TUESDAY, MARCH 16TH. 
          THIS IS THE MEETING OF THE, UH, GARLAND CITY COUNCIL, TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY COMMITTEE. 
          I'M THE CHAIR, RICK GOBLIN. 
          I HAVE WITH ME TODAY. 
          MAYOR PRO TEM, JURY NICKERSON AND COUNSELOR, ROBERT JOHN SMITH, IN ADDITION TO OTHER LUMINARIES FROM THE CITY STAFF AND LET'S GET UNDERWAY. 
          UM, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE, UH, JANUARY, 2021 MEETING MINUTES. 
          HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK THEM OVER? I'LL SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THE MEETING MINUTES ARE APPROVED. 
          UH, SIGN THOSE WHEN APPROPRIATE. 
          I AM MOVING TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, DISCUSSION OF THE TYPES AND APPROPRIATE USES FOR VARIOUS SPEED AND TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES. 
          AND, UM, WHO'S GOING TO TAKE THIS FIRST JOHN OR, UH, BUT BASICALLY THE, THE, THE IDEA HERE IS THIS WAS A CONVERSATION STARTED BY A COUNCIL MEMBER OR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MORRIS, WHO HAD PUT SOMETHING INTO COMMITTEE ABOUT, UM, REDUCING THE HOP TO THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH SPEED HUMPS IN THE CITY. 
          AND, UM, AND THEN IT SEEMED LIKE AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO BROADEN THAT TO, TO MAYBE LOOK AT OUR ENTIRE PLAN OF, OF HOW WE DEPLOY, UH, WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE AND HOW WE DEPLOY, UM, SPEED AND TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES IN THE CITY, PARTICULARLY ONES THAT ARE IN NEIGHBORHOODS AT THE REQUEST OF CITIZENS. 
          AND, UM, SO I KIND OF LOOK AT THIS AS, AS A MULTI-PART DISCUSSION TODAY TO KIND OF GET SOME OVERVIEW AND SOME INPUT AND, AND THEN GOING FORWARD TO, TO START AND CRAFT A POLICY, UH, SO THAT CITIZENS CAN KNOW WHAT THEIR OPTIONS ARE WITH RESPECT TO DEALING WITH THOSE ISSUES. 
          SO I'LL LET YOU TAKE IT AWAY, JOHN. 
          WELL, SO, UH, ALONG THAT LINE, PAUL HAS A VERY HIGH LEVEL, UH, PRESENTATION, UH, ABOUT TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES. 
          AND, UH, I ASKED YOU TO RAISE A QUESTION WHENEVER YOU HAVE ONE HE'S UH, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR PAUL, BUT HE'S EXPECTING TO BE INTERRUPTED ALONG THE WAY WITH QUESTIONS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          LET ME GET, I'LL SHARE IT. 
          I'LL TRY TO SHARE MY SCREEN HERE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          CAN YOU GUYS SEE THAT LEO? I KNOW THOSE FOUR GUYS PRINTS OF YOURS, RIGHT? I WAS JUST SO FOCUSING ON THAT, ON THE CROSSWALK THERE REGULARLY, THE OTHER FRESH. 
          SO I WAS JUST GOING TO GIVE KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES, KIND OF WHAT GOVERNS THEM IN GENERAL. 
          AND THEN, UM, I'LL TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SPEED HUMPS, AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS TOO. 
          UM, SO WHAT I MEAN, JUST KIND OF WHAT WE DO, REALLY, OUR WHOLE DEPARTMENT IS FOCUSED ON REALLY TRAFFIC OPERATIONS, AND WE ALSO DO SOME LONG RANGE PLANNING, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL IS JUST TO HELP PEOPLE DRIVE SAFELY. 
          UM, THE, ONE OF THE MAIN WAYS THAT WE DO THAT IS THROUGH TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES, WHICH IS, UH, FINES, MARKINGS AND, UM, AND TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          UM, THE SPEED CONTROL DEVICES ARE A REALLY A POSITIVE CONTROL DEVICE. 
          SO THAT MEANS IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF SELF ENFORCING BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT IT'S BUILT. 
          UM, TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES IN GENERAL ARE SIDE. 
          LIKE I SAID, SIGN PAVEMENT, MARKING SIGNALS, UH, PEDESTRIAN SIGNAL FOR AERO CROSSINGS, BICYCLE FACILITIES. 
          UM, THEY ARE ALL GOVERNED BY THE MITC D THE MANUAL ON UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES. 
          UH, THE FIRST EDITION CAME OUT IN 1927. 
          UM, AND, AND BASICALLY IT, IT, IT LAYS OUT WHAT SIGNS ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE, WHAT COLORS, UH, WHAT SIZES, WHAT, WHAT, UH, SHAPES ARE, ARE, UH, MEAN DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE A STOP SIGN IS, IS UNIQUE. 
          IT HAS EIGHT SIDES. 
          UM, AND IT'S REALLY SO THAT YOU PEOPLE, WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING, YOU HAVE UNIFORMITY SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TO READ THE SIGN. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU CAN JUST ALMOST GLANCE OUT OF THE CORNER OF YOUR EYE AND YOU KNOW, WHAT IT IS. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF, YOU KNOW, UH, STOP SIGNS USED TO BE YELLOW BACK BACK WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED, THERE WAS DIFFERENT COLORS. 
          AND SO THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STARTED OFF AS STOP SIGNS 
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ARE PROBABLY THE MOST BASIC, UH, SIGN THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE. 
          IN FACT, IN, IN THE MANUAL, IT'S, IT'S A DESIGNATED EVERY, EVERY SIGN HAS A NUMBER AND IT'S, AND IT'S OUR ONE DASH ONE. 
          SO THE STOP SIGN IS PRETTY MUCH THE, THE MOST BASIC THING THAT THERE IS, UM, EVERY CHANGE THAT'S MADE IS DONE BASED ON, UH, EXTENSIVE RESEARCH. 
          AND, AND STEVE COULD PROBABLY TELL YOU ABOUT THIS, HE'S ACTUALLY ON THE COMMITTEE. 
          AND, UH, THEY ARGUE ABOUT THE MOST MINUTE DETAILS OF, UH, HOW, HOW, WHY THE, UH, YOU KNOW, CURVE IS AND FONTS. 
          AND, AND JUST, IF YOU EVER WANT TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, TROUBLE SLATE, TROUBLE SLEEPING, YOU CAN WATCH ONE OF THESE MEETINGS. 
          I'M SURE. 
          AND IT'LL, IT'LL, UH, TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEM. 
          UM, I CAN, I CAN VOUCH FOR THAT FALL. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF WORDSMITHING THAT GOES ON THOSE COMMITTEES, BUT YEAH, I'M ON THE NATIONAL COMMITTEE, WHICH WE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE HWA, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF THE REWRITING OF THE MANUAL IT'S SUPPOSED TO, UH, HOPEFULLY BE REWRITTEN IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          SO, AND THEY HAVE, THE NATIONAL COMMITTEE MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN FHA FHA VA IS THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY MAKES THE RULES AND PUTS IT IN PLACE. 
          AND I THINK MOST OF THE TIME THEY TAKE THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND SOMETIMES THEY JUST DO WHAT THEY WANT, BUT, UH, FOR THE MOST PART, THEY IT'S, IT'S ALL BASED ON, ON THE LOTTERY SEARCH, UM, IN TERMS OF SPEEDING IN SPECIFICALLY, UM, THE MAIN REASON FOR, FOR PEOPLE SPEEDING, UH, GOING FASTER AND FASTER IS THE, IS THE, THE WIDER, THE STRAIGHTER, THE FLATTER AND THE LONGER A ROAD IS, IS, IS PEOPLE WILL TEND TO DRIVE FASTER. 
          I MEAN, SO IF YOU, IF YOU FEELS LIKE IT'S OPEN, UM, PEOPLE WILL TEND TO DRIVE FASTER. 
          AND I'VE GOT A PICTURE OF REGENCY CREST. 
          IT'S PROBABLY THE TEXTBOOK EXAMPLE OF A WIDE STRAIGHT, FLAT AND LONG ROAD IT'S OVER IN THE INDUSTRIAL OR AREA, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT. 
          AND IT IS ACTUALLY WHERE, UH, I KNOW THAT THE POLICE, UH, GUYS COULD PROBABLY TELL YOU ABOUT THIS TOO, THAT THAT'S WHERE WE HAD A SPEEDING PROBLEM WHERE PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY, UM, ILLEGAL, UH, RACING WAS GOING ON THERE FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS. 
          IT WAS ACTUALLY A PRETTY FAMOUS PLACE APPARENTLY AROUND THE COUNTRY. 
          SO, UH, WE TOOK CARE OF THAT ACTUALLY WITH SOME LITTLE MINI SPEED HOPS, UM, AND FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, IT'S GONE AWAY. 
          SO, UM, BUT THE WIDER, BUT, BUT SO THE IDEA BEHIND REALLY ANY KIND OF A DEVICE THAT WE PUT OUT THERE TO TRY TO CONTROL, UH, THE SPEED AND TRY TO REDUCE THE SPEED, UH, IS REALLY TO TRY TO TAKE CARE OF ONE OF THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, TRY TO MAKE, AT LEAST AT LEAST EITHER PHYSICALLY NARROW THE ROAD OR MAKE IT NOT FEEL SO WIDE EITHER, UH, PUT CURVES IN THE ROAD MAY PUT SOME DIVERTERS, UM, MAKE IT NOT SO FLAT, WHICH IS WHAT A SPEED HUMP DOES. 
          UM, SO THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO IN SOME OF THE DIFFERENT CONTROL DEVICES THAT WE HAVE, OF COURSE, HERE'S A SPEED HUMP HERE. 
          UH, A TRAFFIC ROUNDABOUT IS A COURT YEAR TO DO, OR AT LEAST A LOT OF HORIZONTAL CURVES INTO THE ROADWAY. 
          AND, AND ALSO IT COULD BE IN THE MIDDLE OF A LONG STRAIGHT ROAD. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S INTERRUPTING THAT VISUAL, UH, OPENNESS THAT, THAT YOU WOULD SEE OTHERWISE. 
          UM, SHE CANES AND CHOPPERS AND DIVERTERS LOOK, SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          THIS IS A CHICANE. 
          IF YOU DO TWO, THESE OPPOSED EACH OTHER, IT'D BE A CHOKER DIVERTERS WOULD DIVERT YOU TO ONE DIRECTION, BUT ALL OF THIS IS BASICALLY THIS, YOU KNOW, THE SAME THING TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING OF INTRODUCING SOME VERTICAL CURVES, SOME HORIZONTAL CURVES, SOME, UH, JUST SOME VISUAL CUES THAT MAKE IT NOT FEEL SO OPEN. 
          UM, OUR SPEED HUMP PROGRAM IS, IS ONE THAT WAS DEVELOPED BACK IN THE, IN THE MID NINETIES. 
          UM, AND, AND JUST THE, THE WAY THAT IT W THE PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH. 
          AND IT'S A POLICY OF OUR DEPARTMENT THAT WAS, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL BACK THEN. 
          SO IT'S BEEN 20, 25 YEARS AGO. 
          UM, CITIZEN COMES IN AND THEY SAY, I GOT TO SPEAK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SPEEDING PROBLEM. 
          UM, I WANT TO SPEED HUMP. 
          AND SO WE TAKE THAT, WE, WE LOOK AT IT INTERNALLY, UH, MICHAEL'S FOLKS LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SURE IT'S NOT A CAUSE OF DRAINAGE PROBLEM. 
          UH, IT HAS TO MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA. 
          LIKE, I MEAN, HE CAN'T, WE CAN'T PUT IT OVER, UH, YOU KNOW, A MANHOLE FOR INSTANCE, OR, OR WITHIN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF FEET OF, UH, OF A FIRE HYDRANT, CERTAIN THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, AND WE'LL PREPARE, PREPARE THE SURVEY FORMS THAT WILL THEN GO OUT TO, UM, AND, AND MOLD WE'LL LIST THE HOUSES THAT HAVE TO BE, UH, SURVEYED IN ORDER TO GET 80% AGREEMENT WITHIN GENERALLY 500 
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FEET. 
          SOMETIMES IT GETS LONGER BECAUSE IF IT GOES INTO ANOTHER BLOCK, IT HAS TO INCLUDE THE WHOLE BLOCK. 
          UM, ONCE THEY OBTAIN 80%, THEN THEY'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH $700 PER HUMP IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO, TO GET THAT ONCE THEY GET THAT DONE, THEN WE'LL GO OUT AND ACTUALLY STEVE'S GUYS WILL GO OUT AND INSTALL THE HOUSE. 
          UM, AND THAT'LL BE IT. 
          THE, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THIS IS IT'S. 
          UM, ALTHOUGH IT TAKES US A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME, IT TAKES, IT TAKES CERTAINLY A LOT LESS STAFF TIME THAN ANY OF THE OTHER, UM, ANY OF THE OTHER TYPES OF TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES. 
          I MEAN, WE'VE DONE A COUPLE OF KNOW COLLEAGUES AT OTHER CITIES HAVE THEY HAVE WHOLE, UM, PROGRAMS WHERE THEY'VE GOT THREE OR FOUR STAFF THAT THAT'S ALL THEY DO IS WORK ON SPEED, PROBLEM, SPEED ISSUES. 
          AND, AND THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH, THEY GO THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE, UM, PROCESS OF CITIZEN INVOLVEMENT AND A LOT OF PUBLIC MEETINGS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THERE'S JUST A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT HAS TO GO IN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC PROCESS LIKE THIS. 
          SO THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE, THE, THE REAL BENEFITS OF THIS IS THAT IS THAT IT, IT TAKES A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME, WHICH, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF STAFF, UH, TO DEVOTE TO IT. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS. 
          THE OTHER, THE OTHER BENEFIT THAT I THINK IS REALLY GOOD ACTUALLY IS BY, BY HAVING THE CITIZENS HAVE TO DO A LOT OF PUT A LOT OF SWEAT EQUITY INTO THIS. 
          UM, THEY GOT TO REALLY WANT, THEY HAVE TO REALLY FEEL LIKE IT'S A PROBLEM AND REALLY FEEL LIKE THEY WANT THIS. 
          UM, THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER PLACES WHERE IF THE CITY GOES IN AND DOES IT, UM, THEN YOU, THEN YOU FIND OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, HALF THE PEOPLE DIDN'T REALLY LIKE IT. 
          AND THERE WAS ONLY ONE REALLY VOCAL PERSON, OR WE'RE A SMALL GROUP OF REALLY VOCAL PEOPLE THAT, UM, THAT WANTED IT. 
          OR YOU MIGHT HAVE ONE PERSON THAT THEY REALLY WANT IT, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO DO ANY WORK TO ACTUALLY MAKE IT HAPPEN. 
          AND SO IT'S KINDA, YOU HAVE TO KIND OF QUESTION, OKAY, YOU REALLY GOT SOME SKIN IN THE GAME HERE TO, TO REALLY, TO REALLY PUT FORTH THE EFFORT TO DO IT. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING WITH, WITH THE COST IS, YOU KNOW, YOU, SO YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO PUT FORTH A LOT OF TIME AND, AND TO ACTUALLY PUT UP SOME MONEY. 
          SO, UM, IT, IT, IT REALLY CAUSES, I'M SURPRISED, HONESTLY, THAT WE PUT AS MANY IN AS WE DO, BUT THERE'S THERE. 
          AND I, AND I THOUGHT WE WOULD ALSO REACH A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY STREETS IN TOWN. 
          WE'RE NOT GROWING A LOT. 
          SO I THOUGHT WE WOULD REACH A POINT WHERE WE WOULD KIND OF TAKE CARE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS, BUT, UM, THAT HASN'T HAPPENED EITHER. 
          THEY STILL CONTINUED TO COME IN. 
          SO, UM, OVERALL I WOULD SAY THE PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL AND WE HAVEN'T REALLY, ONCE THEY GO IN, WE DON'T HEAR A LOT OF, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'VE TAKEN ANY OUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. 
          AND EVEN THERE'S A COUPLE OF THAT HAVE GONE IN WHERE, UH, THEY HAVE, THEY POTENTIALLY WILL CAUSE A DRAINAGE PROBLEM, ACTUALLY, EVEN, YOU KNOW, THEY, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S HAPPENED YET, BUT THEY CAUGHT, HE COULD EVEN CAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, FLOODING TO GO INTO PEOPLE'S HOUSES, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE STREET HUMP. 
          AND WE HAVE, IN THOSE CASES, WE'VE ASKED PEOPLE TO SIGN WAIVERS TO SAY, IF THIS CAUSES YOU TO GET FLOODED, THEN WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE. 
          AND THEN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S A POSSIBILITY AND PEOPLE WILL SIGN IT ANYWAY. 
          SO, UM, ALTHOUGH NOBODY REALLY LIKES SPEED HUMPS, PEOPLE DO LIKE IT ON THEIR STREET AND, AND THEY ARE EFFECTIVE. 
          THAT'S THE OTHER, UM, PROBABLY THE BIGGEST THING WITH THIS IS, IS THEY REALLY ARE EFFECTIVE AT SLOWING PEOPLE DOWN. 
          SO, UM, OVERALL I THINK IT'S BEEN A PRETTY SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF STEVE HAS LOOKED AT, UM, HOW MUCH IT ACTUALLY COSTS US PER HUMP TO PUT THAT IN. 
          THIS WAS ORIGINALLY ABOUT, ABOUT HALF THE COST OF ACTION OF ACTUALLY PUTTING THIS OUT. 
          AND, UM, I, IT, IT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CHANGED MUCH AT ALL. 
          UH, I'LL LET STEVE TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT, UM, IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY OVERALL, IT'S BEEN A, BEEN A PRETTY SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM AND, AND $700 PER HUMP. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S QUITE A BIT FOR ONE PERSON, BUT IF YOU SPREAD THAT OUT OVER, YOU KNOW, 20 OR 30 HOMES THAT THAT MIGHT BE ON THE STREET, THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT REALLY A, UH, NOT A HUGE COST REALLY FOR ANYBODY. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S IT ON THE SPEED HUMPS? I DON'T KNOW. 
          I'VE GOT, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE FOR MY PRESENTATION. 
          IF YOU WANT TO TALK WELL, PAUL, ABOUT HOW MANY DO WE PUT IN A YEAR THAT, THAT ARE REQUESTED BY CITIZENS? UH, I, I WOULD HAVE TO FIND OUT, I DON'T KNOW, I, IT, 10 OR FIVE OR 
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10, MAYBE, OR 30 OR 40, I WOULD SAY IT'S CLOSER TO FIVE OR 10. 
          I, STEVE, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY YOU PUT IN A YEAR? WE HAVEN'T AND WE HAVEN'T PUT ANY IN, IN A WHILE, BUT I WOULD THINK IT'S CLOSER TO THAT 10 THEN CERTAINLY CLOSER TO 10 THAN IT IS THE 30. 
          AND, UH, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, UM, JUST TO GET A FLAVOR FOR ANOTHER, ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE, IF WE GET TO HEAR FROM, UH, CHIEF LEE AND ASSISTANT CHIEF ST. 
          CLAIR TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THE, THE OTHER SIDE OF PUTTING SPEED HUMPS IN, UH, WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO RESPOND TO FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, LET'S GET THAT. 
          WE'LL GET TO THAT MOMENT. 
          I, I SEE COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH HAS HIS HAND UP, SO THAT'S REAL QUICK. 
          WHEN IS THERE ANY PROCESS TO PETITION FOR REMOVAL? LET'S SAY, UH, UH, YOU'RE ON AN, A SEGMENT AND THE FOLKS GET A STREET HUB PUT IN AND THEN THEY ALL MOVE OUT AND YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE NOTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE LIVE IN THERE WHO DIDN'T, WHO DON'T WANT IT. 
          HOW DO YOU GET RID OF ONE? THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE POLICY AND I'D FALL IS REALLY THE SAME PROCESS. 
          I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE 80% OF THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO REMOVE IT TO IN ORDER TO HAVE IT REMOVED. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY, COOL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, PAUL DON'T, THEY HAVE TO BEAR THE COST OF THE REMOVAL. 
          UH, I THINK IT IS. 
          I MEAN, I W W UH, TO BUY IT DURING MY TIME IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, WE HAVEN'T NEVER REMAINED ONE THAT I KNOW OF. 
          SO I DON'T, IN FACT, I DON'T, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY HAS EVEN COME FORWARD TO WANTING TO HURT ME EVEN, YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON LET ALONE TRYING TO GET 80%. 
          SO, BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN WE RECONSTRUCT STREETS, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE ADAMANT ABOUT IS THAT THEY GET THEIR HUMPS BACK AFTER WE RECONSTRUCT THE STREET. 
          IF THERE'S A HUMP THERE ON THE STREET. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT WAS THE ACT. 
          ACTUALLY, THE FIRST THING I HEARD ABOUT WHEN Y'ALL WERE REDOING GLENBROOK AND I STARTED GETTING CALLS LIKE THAT DAY, LIKE, OH MY GOD, THEY'VE REMOVED THE, THE STREET, UM, 40 PEOPLE DO. 
          AND, UM, IT, SO PEOPLE ARE VERY, UM, DEFINITELY PROTECTIVE OF THEM. 
          UM, AND IT'S, IT HAS THE 700 PRICES THAT BEEN THE PRICE ALL ALONG SINCE WE WERE FIRST INSTITUTED 25 YEARS AGO. 
          YEAH, THAT'S FINE. 
          I MEAN, I, WELL, I GOT HERE IN 99. 
          THAT'S WHAT IT WAS THAT I, AND I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT WAS FROM THE BEGINNING. 
          YES. 
          I ASKED HER MAINTENANCE GUY. 
          HE SAID, HE THOUGHT OUR COSTS, OUR INITIAL COST IS IN THAT SEVEN TO $800 RANGE, BUT THAT THEN THERE'S THE STRAPPING AND THE SIGNAGE THAT GO ON TOP OF THAT. 
          PLUS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME MAINTENANCE FROM TIME TO TIME, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO REDO THE STRAPPING, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SORRY. 
          I HAVE A FEW SPEED HUMPS IN MY AREA THAT ARE, UH, THE LACK, ANY STRIPING AT ALL THAT I'VE COME ACROSS FROM TIME TO TIME. 
          UM, THE, UH, WHEN YOU MENTIONED NUMBER OF HUMPS. 
          SO BECAUSE LIKE, I THINK IT'S ON COUNTRY CLUB. 
          I THINK HE'S IN JERRY'S DISTRICT. 
          IT'S LIKE, I WOULD NEVER LIVE OFF OF SOUTH COUNTRY CLUB. 
          HEY, CAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY SPEED HUMPS. 
          WHEN I HAVE MY HEART ATTACK, I AM MOST CERTAINLY GOING TO DIE. 
          UM, BUT THERE ARE DOUBLE SPEED HUMPS THERE. 
          I THINK. 
          SO YOU SORT OF, YOU GET 80% TO SAY SPEED UP. 
          CAN YOU PUT LIKE ONE EVERY HUNDRED FEET OR SOMETHING? OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? I THINK IT'S EVERY 500 FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          TH TH THAT STREET IS, UH, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S QUITE A DISCUSSION BETWEEN SOME OF THE CITIZENRY, WHETHER THEY LIKE THE IDEA OF ALL THE SPEED BUMPS OR WHETHER THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T LIKE SOME WHERE, WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, YOU KNOW, BUT MR. G MR. DEFAZIO WAS A PRETTY, UH, YOU KNOW, PERSUASIVE INDIVIDUAL. 
          HE'S THE ONE THAT RAN THE 80% NUMBER. 
          SO IT, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT, THAT I KNOW THE STRAIGHTAWAY SUBTRACT THE SPEED, BUT I, I THINK THE CURVES FOLLOWED BY THE STRAIGHTAWAYS REALLY DO THE TRICK. 
          I MIGHT GET SOME FOLKS, YOU KNOW, WE THINK THEY'RE ON LAGUNA SAKER OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THEY COME OUT OF THAT STRAIGHT AWAY AND, AND, AND, AND HAUL OFF. 
          AND, AND I KNOW IT'S, I MEAN, WE TEND TO GET THESE PROBLEMS. DO YOU, WHAT DO WE FIND? AND, AND THIS IS MORE OF A CURIOSITY, I GUESS. 
          UM, YEAH, CAUSE I'VE HAD SOME FOLKS RECENTLY ASKED ABOUT SPEED HUMPS ON RIDGECREST AND THEIR POINT IS THAT WHEN SPEED HUMPS WENT IN, I THINK ON PATRICIA, THEY THINK IT CHANGES THE TRAFFIC PATTERN AND THAT PEOPLE THEN MOVE TO S THEY MOVED FROM, OKAY. 
          NOW AT FIRST I WENT DOWN PATRICIA, BUT NOW I'M GOING TO GO DOWN RIDGE CREST INSTEAD BECAUSE PATRICIA HAS SPEED BUMPS FROM GOING SPEED DOWN RIDGE CRASHES, AND THEN RIDGECREST IS GOING TO ONE SPEED HUMPS. 
          IS THAT A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE SEE, MOVE IT AROUND? OH, THE TIMES I REMEMBER THE PATRICIA ONES SPECIFICALLY WHEN THOSE WENT IN AND THAT THE SCHOOL BUS IS ACTUALLY SWITCHED 
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OVER TO PARALLEL STREET. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE FIRST I HEARD ABOUT IT, BUT I I'M SURE THAT THAT DOES HAPPEN TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. 
          UM, IT DEPENDS SOMEWHAT ON WHETHER THERE ARE SOME PARALLEL STREETS AND ALTERNATE ROUTES THAT THEY CAN TAKE THAT WOULD BE SHORTER MOST OF THE TIME. 
          THAT'S NOT THE CASE. 
          I MEAN, PATRICIA WAS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE BECAUSE THERE WAS A PARALLEL STREET THAT WAS PRETTY CONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE TO USE. 
          SO THAT, UM, THAT DOES IT DOES HAPPEN, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT AS COMMON AS YOU MIGHT THINK. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND TELL THE PEOPLE AT THE TIME WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THESE PEOPLE HAD A RIGHT TO PUT THEM ON THEIR STREET IF, IF YOU WANT THEM ON YOUR STREET, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, YOU CAN DO THAT TOO. 
          AND THEY, I THINK THEY CHOSE NOT TO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN WE INSTITUTE, I GUESS, A POLICY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THAT WE NO LONGER DO STREET HUMPS ON COLLECTORS, IS THAT, HAVE WE IMPLEMENTED THAT? AND THEN WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION. 
          THERE ARE, THEY ARE ALLOWED ON COLLECTORS AND THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED THAT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          I DON'T THINK WE EVER ACTUALLY VOTED TO FORMALIZE IT. 
          APPARENTLY I'M DOING MY JOB REALLY GREAT. 
          I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND I GUESS WE'LL HEAR ABOUT THAT FROM, UM, FROM POLICE AND FIRE, THE CONCERN ABOUT DOING THEM ON COLLECTOR AND THE IMPACT IT HAS ON RESPONSE TIMES OVER A BROAD AREA. 
          I MEAN, IT'S ONE THING IF THERE'S, IF IT'S ON A STREET THAT WE HARDLY EVER TRAVELED, BUT IF THE PHONE COLLECTOR FOR PUTTING A LOT OF EMERGENCY VEHICLES THAT CAN SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT RESPONSE TIMES IS MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          AND THAT'S NOT GOOD WHEN WE'RE HAVING AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SURVIVABILITY RATES ON THINGS LIKE HEART ATTACKS AND WHATNOT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU GET TO A CERTAIN POINT, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT AS WELL SEND TO HER INSTEAD OF AN AMBULANCE, BUT ANYWAY, UM, SO WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND GET THAT INPUT THAT YOU MENTIONED JOHN FROM, UH, UH, FROM BEN AND MARK CHIEFLY. 
          YOU WANT TO GO FIRST, YOU ARE A MUTE, SIR. 
          NOW I'M NOT IN A, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH OF A WAFFLE HERE TO KEEP GOING. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY FIRE, DEPARTMENT'S NOT A BIG FAN OF SPEED HOPS. 
          UH, IT DOES SLOW DOWN RESPONSE TIMES. 
          I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING IN POLICY. 
          PAUL HELPED ME OUT HERE. 
          I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING A POLICY SAYS IF IT'S A REGULAR REGULARLY UTILIZED RESPONSE ROUTE FOR A CERTAIN PART OF TOWN FOR THE STATION IN THAT PART OF TOWN, THAT, UH, THAT IS A REASON TO EXCLUDE THE HOME FAIR. 
          IS THAT CORRECT, PAUL? WELL, I KNOW IT, I KNOW BASICALLY Y'ALL, Y'ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO VETO THESE, RIGHT? I'LL BRING IT UP HERE TO SEE WE, UH, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, I, UM, I CAN ONLY RECALL ONE SET OF HOPS, UM, THAT WE HAVE EVEN HAD PROPOSED. 
          AND SO THAT'S ONE AND ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF YEARS, AND WE DID ALLOW IT, UH, THE CREW IN THAT DISTRICT. 
          SO WE DON'T USE THAT STREET MUCH. 
          SO WE DON'T, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED COUNTRY CLUBS, THERE'S A HIGH NUMBER OF PUMPS ON COUNTRY CLUB. 
          AND SOME OF THE HOPS ARE AT THE STOP SIGNS, WHICH IS REALLY BIZARRE. 
          UH, BUT, UM, THE OTHER HAZARD OF THE HUMPS IS REALLY HARD ON, UH, THE FIRE TRUCKS, FIRETRUCKS OPERATED NEAR MAXIMUM CAPACITY OF A LOT OF THE TIME, UH, WHITE LAWS AND THOSE HOPS, UM, ON, ON THE HEAVILY LOADED TRUCK CAN GIVE A PRETTY GOOD JAR. 
          UH, ONE OF OUR ROOKIE FIREFIGHTERS, UH, ABOUT A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AGO, MISSED SEVERAL MONTHS AND HAD A WORKERS' COMP INJURY WITH A BACK SURGERY AFTER THEY HIT A HONK THAT WAS EARLIER WE TALKED ABOUT, SOMETIMES THEY NEED BETTER PAINT ON THEM, HAD A GUY NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT DISTRICT DRIVING. 
          AND HE HIT HER A SPEED HUMP AND IT INJURED THAT FIREFIGHTERS BACK, UH, AND WOUND UP HAVING SURGERY AS A RESULT OF IT. 
          SO IF WE DON'T SLOW DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY FOR THEM, GREAT BIG TRUCK, REALLY STIFF SPRINGS GOING OVER A LOT. 
          SO, UH, CHIEF, ABOUT HOW LONG DOES IT EACH SPEED? I MEAN, I'VE SEEN VARIOUS ESTIMATIONS, BUT DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF HOW LONG EACH SPEED HUMP DELAYS AN APPARATUS RESPONSE? YOU KNOW, I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO FIND ANYTHING SCIENTIFIC ON THAT. 
          UH, I KNOW THAT WE, WE SLOWED TO A CRAWL OVER THE HOP OR BUMP WHICHEVER ONE IT MAY BE, 
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AND THEN WE ACCELERATE AWAY FROM IT AND BREAK FOR THE NEXT ONE. 
          SO IT COULD ADD ANYWHERE FROM PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, I'M GONNA DEFER BACK TO PRIVATE MANAGEMENT FOLKS, BUT I WOULD THINK ANYWHERE FROM 10 TO 20 SECONDS PER HUMP THAT WE CROSSED, BUT I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SCIENTIFIC TO BACK THAT UP WITH CHIEF. 
          COULD WE FIELD TEST IT? YES, SIR. 
          WELL, I MEAN, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE CHAIRMAN'S EMS ARGUMENT AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SECONDS COUNT WITH HEART ATTACKS, AND OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A CATH LAB IN THE, IN THE CITY CENTER ANYMORE. 
          AND SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE THINGS ADD UP AND, AND I'D, I'D REALLY, REALLY LIKE TO BE ABLE TO QUANTIFY THAT, UH, THAT DELAY, IF WE COULD AT, AT Y'ALL'S LEISURE. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD FIND TO A STRAIGHT STREET AND RUN DOWN THAT STREET FROM POINT A TO POINT B AND THEN THROW SOME FICTITIOUS HUMPS DOWN AND SLOW AND PROCEED AND SEE WHAT IT DOES. 
          WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. 
          I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE COUNTRY CLUBS, A GREAT PLACE TO GIVE IT A WHIRL OR KINGSBRIDGE IS AVAILABLE ANYTIME. 
          SO THE CHALLENGE THERE IS THAT, UH, COUNTRY CLUBS ALREADY GOT HOPS ON IT. 
          SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR NORMALLY TRAVELED TIME WOULD BE WITHOUT THE HUBS. 
          SEE, SO HOW'S, IT YOU'LL SAY WOULD HAVE TO FIND A, A STREET NOW THAT WOULD BE THE TYPICAL SPOT TO PLACE A HAWK RUN DOWN THAT STREET. 
          AND THEN ONCE AGAIN, SIMULATE WITH HUBS AND SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          NO COUNTRY CLUB IS THE REASON IT IS SO POPULARLY USE IS IT JUST PARALLEL BROADWAY FOR A LONG DISTANCE FROM LEASE FROM CENTERVILLE TO, UH, FOUND A WIND JOYCE. 
          AND THAT'S THE EXACT AREA WHERE YOU'LL SEE THOSE HUMPS BECAUSE IN THE MORNINGS IS WHEN YOU SEE IT WITH THE LADIES TAKING THEIR CHILDREN TO THE SCHOOL, RIGHT ON THE OTHER END OF WHEN JOYCE AND THEY'RE RIPPING THROUGH THERE, UH, FAIRLY IRREGULAR. 
          UM, SO, UH, BUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE POPULAR IN SOME WAYS, BUT I GET ALMOST AS MANY PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THEM AS I DO GETTING PEOPLE, UH, IN FAVOR OF THEM. 
          UM, AND THE, WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED AS THE CHIEF SAID IS ALSO VERY CRITICAL, I THINK, UH, IN HOW SUCCESSFUL THEY CAN BE. 
          UH, I THINK SOME OF THOSE ON, ON THAT PARTICULAR STREET ARE NOT LOCATED IN THE RIGHT SPOTS. 
          AND, UH, BUT ANYWAY, UM, THEY CAN BE EFFECTIVE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS DON'T LIKE THEM EITHER, ESPECIALLY IN, IF THEY'RE DRIVING OVER THEM EVERYDAY, GETTING IN AND OUT, LIKE, I, I HAVE TO GO OVER TO EVERY MORNING TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE HOUSE. 
          SO YEAH, THAT'S THE SPEED HUMPS ON COUNTRY CLUB OR THEY ACTUALLY, THEY'RE ACTUALLY THE REASON THE POLICY CAME ABOUT. 
          SO THEY, THOSE WERE PUT IN BEFORE THE POLICY WAS DEVELOPED AND THEY REALLY DON'T FOLLOW IT BY, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE AT, I MEAN, MY UNDERS THEY, UH, THE STOP SIGNS WENT IN FIRST AS A, AS AN ATTEMPT TO TRY TO CONTROL SPEED AND THAT DIDN'T WORK, WHICH IS NOT SURPRISING. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHEN THEY PUT THE SPEED HUMPS IN, WE WOULDN'T DO IT THAT WAY AGAIN, IF WE HAD A CHANCE TO DO IT OVER AGAIN, AND JERRY TO FAIL TOLD ME THAT PART OF THE REASON THEY WERE PUT AT THE INTERSECTION IS BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE BLOWING THROUGH THE STOP SIGNS. 
          RIGHT? WELL, YEAH. 
          IT PROBABLY WORKS WHERE YOU HAVE, WHERE YOU USE, WHERE YOU TRY AND USE STOP SIGNS AS A SPEED CONTROL DEVICE. 
          AND AS A RESULT, THEY'RE IN A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE DON'T EXPECT THEM. 
          CAUSE THERE'S KIND OF, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT SENSE OF IF YOU'VE BEEN DRIVING FOR A WHILE, YOU KIND OF HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE A STOP SIGN AND OTHER CRAFT FOR CONTROL STUFF. 
          AND SO WITHIN AN UNEXPECTED SPOT, AND SO PEOPLE BLOW RIGHT BY IT AND WHICH IS OFTEN WHERE WE, YEAH, WE HAVE SOME OF OUR BIGGEST PROBLEMS THAT IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT. 
          PAUL. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S WARRANTS ACTUALLY. 
          YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW AND PUTTING IN A STOP SIGN, WHICH, AND THEY'RE BASICALLY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ABOUT AN EQUAL TRAFFIC ON BOTH STREETS. 
          SO IF THERE'S NO TRAFFIC, IF THERE'S NEVER ANY TRAFFIC ON, ON THE OTHER STREET, THEN NOBODY, THE PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE THAT DRIVE IT ALL THE TIME ARE GOING TO KNOW NOW THERE'S NEVER ANYBODY THERE. 
          SO I'LL JUST KIND OF ROLL THROUGH THIS ONE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. 
          WE'VE GOT SOME, I THINK, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE ONES ON GLENBROOK. 
          THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ON EACH SEGMENT OF GLENBROOK BETWEEN CENTERVILLE AND KINGSLEY AND THEN KINGSLEY AND MILLER. 
          THERE ARE EACH SEGMENT HAS TWO INTERSTITIAL STOP SIGNS THAT I DON'T KNOW FROM GUYS I'VE TALKED TO IN, IN TRAFFIC OVER POLICE. 
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THEY REALLY LIKE THOSE BECAUSE THEY CAN, THEY GET ONE AND THEN THEY GO DOWN THE ROAD AND THEN THEY GET THE OTHER STOP SIGN AND THEY CIRCLE BACK TO THE FIRST ONE. 
          THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD AT HONEYPOT. 
          UM, BUT IT'S MOSTLY BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T EXPECT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE STOP SIGNS THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING AS WE CRAFT POLICY, WE CAN LOOK AT FIGURING OUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT THOSE TENS OF STOP SIGNS. 
          NO, THE ONE RIGHT THERE ON, ON COUNTRY CLUB, THAT'S AT THE FOOT OF WHERE MY STREET, A COUNTRY CLUB CIRCLE TIES INTO. 
          MINE'S A CUL-DE-SAC SO YOU ONLY CAN TURN AND GO AFFAIR. 
          IT'S YOU'RE USUALLY GOING HOME. 
          UH, BUT THE ONLY REASON THAT THAT STOP SIGN IS I THINK THE, I ACTUALLY THINK THE SPEED BUMP WAS THERE BEFORE THE STOP SIGN. 
          AND BECAUSE FROM WIND JOYCE TO EASTERN HILLS, IT'S A STRAIGHT SHOP WITH A WIDE STREET AND IT'S RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT'S A NICE WIDE STREET AND SMOOTH, UH, PEOPLE WERE RUNNING THROUGH THERE. 
          SO I KNOW THE SPEED BUMP CAME AND THEN, THEN THEY PUT THE STOP SIGN UP AFTER THAT. 
          AND CAUSE THEY'RE REALLY KNOW THE REASON TO HAVE A STOP SIGN THERE. 
          IT'S JUST A LITTLE THREE-WAY, UH, KIND OF INTERSECTION. 
          AND ONE OF THEM, IT'S JUST A CUL-DE-SAC WITH EIGHT HOUSES ON IT. 
          SO NOT REALLY ALL THE STOP SIGNS REALLY AREN'T I WON'T SAY ALL OF THEM, BUT MOST OF THEM ARE ALL NOT WARRANTED AND THEY WERE PUT IN TO TRY TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN AND THEY'RE PUTTING IN COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE PLACES. 
          SO YEAH. 
          UH, CHIEF ST. 
          CLAIRE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO WEIGH IN ON SPEED BUMPS AND STOP SIGNS AND WHATNOT? YEAH. 
          GENERALLY ON THEM WE'VE DEFERRED TOO FAR BECAUSE OF THEIR APPARATUSES, LARGE MEANS GOING ON OVER THEM. 
          UM, THEY DO, UM, WE WE'VE BEEN A PROPONENT OF THE, WHERE WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH, UH, STRAIGHT RATES AND LIKE PAUL MENTIONED, UH, WE'VE PUT THEM IN AND HAVE BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE OVER THERE. 
          AND, UH, THOSE GENERALLY AREN'T AREAS THAT ARE SERVE ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND REGULAR BASIS, LIKE THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS ARE, UM, MOST RECENT ONE WE GOT, I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK. 
          I GOT ONE ON ONE ON ONE STRAIGHT OUTS ON ALL BANE. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT WOULD DO TO A FIRE'S RESPONSE WITH THAT . 
          SO I JUST LET THEM KNOW THAT THAT WAS NOT A POSSIBLE OPTION. 
          ANOTHER ONE RECENTLY WAS UP ALL TALLY ROAD. 
          AND AGAIN, OUR DEPARTMENT USES THAT AND GO TO THE NORTH TO GET THE HOUSE IN 78. 
          SO, UM, IF THEY'RE ON NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, GENERALLY, THEY'RE NOT A REAL BIG ISSUE FOR US. 
          THEY DO SLOW DOWN OUR RESPONSE TIME, YOU KNOW, MAINLY THAT'S WHERE RESIDENTS END UP KIND OF BALKING AT THEM AND GETTING CONSENSUS THERE. 
          IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT BECAUSE I'VE HEARD REDUCED HOME VALUES, KIND OF HIGHLIGHT A PROBLEM THAT DIDN'T EXIST THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SOLVE. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE ONE, THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE EXPENSE, UH, OR SHARE THESE PLANS IS INCURRED WITH THE $700. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF OUR TAKE ON IT AND OUR EXPERIENCE WITH THEM. 
          WE'VE WE'VE GOT, UH, WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT A SPEED STUDY GOING RIGHT NOW ON THE, ON THE SOUTH END OR SOUTH COUNTRY CLUB THAT I'D ASKED THE CHIEF LAST WEEK FROM VARIOUS COMPLAINTS FROM FOLKS. 
          AS SOON AS WE REDID THAT STREET, WHEN WE REDID THE WATER LINE. 
          AND THEN WE REALLY MADE AN ICE STREET FROM, UH, I GUESS THAT'S RELAT ROAD NORTH ALL THE WAY UP TOWARD THE ALLOW MIDDLE SCHOOL ON COUNTRY CLUB. 
          I MEAN, IT'S A SPEEDWAY AND, UM, PEOPLE WERE REALLY COMPLAINING ABOUT IT. 
          IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT, HOW MANY FOLKS WE SEE THERE ARE SPEEDING AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THERE, BUT, BUT IT'S ALMOST TOO WIDE A STREET NOW TO EVEN WOULD CONSIDER A SPEED BUMP ON THERE TO SLOW THEM DOWN. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S REALLY MORE THAN A TWO LANE. 
          I MEAN, IT'S A NICE WIDE STREET AND IT'S BEEN ASPHALT AND SMOOTHED OVER AND FIXED. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW, PAUL, THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THE SPEED BUMP WOULD BE A SOLUTION OR NOT, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO STOP SIGNS REALLY BETWEEN BRALETTE AND, UM, OH GOSH, ALL THE WAY UP TO, UH, NORTH PASS LAU MIDDLE SCHOOL TO A WINDOW WENDELL WAY. 
          SO, AND THERE IS SCHOOL RIGHT IN THAT AREA. 
          SO YEAH, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT ONE WILL BE ELIGIBLE OR NOT. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA PULL IT UP HERE. 
          YEP. 
          WELL, DO WE HAVE OTHER OPTIONS? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THESE RADAR, NOT RADAR SIGNS, FLASHING SIGNS OF SOME SORT TO SPEED SIGNS, DO THOSE WORK. 
          UM, AND SOME OF THEM LOOK RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE NOWADAYS. 
          THE, THE ONES THAT REALLY 
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ARE THE SIGN OF A SIZE OF LIKE A SPEED LIMIT SIGN AND THOSE DO THOSE WORK, UM, RUMBLE STRIPS, I'VE HEARD ABOUT, I KNOW THEY'RE LOUD, BUT ARE THOSE EFFECTIVE WELL, RUMBLE STRIPS, I MEAN, KNOW THEY ARE LOUD AND I MEAN, IT'S, I'D BE, I'D BE, UH, I'D WANT TO BE OUT OF TOWN THE WEEKEND. 
          YOU PUT THOSE, I THINK YOU'D GET A LOT MORE CALLS ABOUT, ABOUT THE NOISE THAN YOU WOULD ABOUT THE SPEEDING. 
          UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER CHEAP OPTIONS. 
          I MEAN LIKE THE FLASHING SIGNS THAT THEY'LL, THEY WILL WORK A LITTLE BIT FOR A LITTLE WHILE. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, I DON'T WANNA SAY THEY'RE NOT EFFECTIVE, BUT THEY'RE NOT TERRIBLY EFFECTIVE. 
          I MEAN, THEY'RE THERE, BUT IT'S AN OPTION. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE USED THEM A COUPLE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE OF PLACES WE PUT THEM. 
          UM, I THINK THE POLICE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME THAT THEY PUT OUT THERE TOO IN DIFFERENT PLACES THEY CAN MOVE AROUND, BUT, UM, IT'S USUALLY KIND OF A TEMPORARY FIX. 
          LIKE I SAID, I KIND OF GOES BACK TO WHAT I STARTED WITH IT, THE ONES BASICALLY THE, I MEAN, YOU KIND OF GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR AND REALLY THE CHEAPER, THE SOLUTION, THE LESS EFFECTIVE IT TENDS TO BE. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU PUT AROUND ABOUT IT AND THAT'S, THAT'S VERY EFFECTIVE TOO, BUT IT'S, IT'S ALSO THREE, FOUR, FIVE, $600,000. 
          UM, AND THEN, AND THEN YOU GET, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S KINDA, I THINK WHERE WE REALLY ENDED UP WITH SPEED HOUSE BECAUSE THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE VERY EFFECTIVE AND THEY'RE VERY COST-EFFECTIVE SO, UM, YOU, YOU GET MORE ELEGANT SOLUTIONS THEN, UH, THEN THE COST STARTS GOING UP REALLY QUICKLY. 
          UM, AND TO GET MUCH CHEAPER THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING IS IT'S KIND OF MARGINALLY EFFECTIVE. 
          I WONDER IF ON SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE STREETS, LIKE O'BANION, IF IT'S NOT ELIGIBLE FOR A SPEED HUMP, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE GIVEN THE CHOICE TO THE NEIGHBOR, LIKE, WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE SPEEDING OR WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE NOISE FROM A RUMBLE STRIP, BUT ARE RUMBLE STRIPS EFFECTIVE? I GUESS I DON'T, I DON'T THAT ALSO LIMITED RUMBLE STRIPS. 
          AREN'T REALLY GOING TO SLOW ANYBODY DOWN THOUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S REALLY MORE FOR WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU HAVE, IF YOU'RE APPROACHING SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ALERT SOMEBODY TO LIKE A STOP SIGN THAT YOU WOULDN'T EXPECT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
           YEAH. 
          ROSE HILL OR WELL, ROSEDALE AND COUNTRY CLUB WOULD BE ELIGIBLE. 
          YEAH. 
          BOTH OF THOSE AREAS I THINK COULD BE LOOKED AT SOME MORE. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO. 
          I MEAN, I, IF I WAS CHIEFLY, I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE BECAUSE THOSE ARE PRETTY MAJOR, UM, COLLECTOR STREETS. 
          AND AS WE DID FIND A, UM, BOTH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SHALL HAVE B2 AUTHORITY ON ANY STREET, THEY CONSIDER CRITICAL FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I WOULD NOT MIND GOING BACK AND FORTH. 
          I THOUGHT WE HAD FORMALIZED IT AS A POLICY. 
          CAUSE I, I HAD, I HAVE ONE CONSTITUENT REACH OUT TO ME AND SAY THAT THEY WERE TOLD THAT THEY COULD NOT HAVE A, UH, A SPEED HUMP. 
          CAUSE IT WAS A COLLECTOR, BUT I WOULD NOT MIND FORMALIZING THAT, THAT POLICY, I ASSUME, I ASSUME THAT'D BE SOMETHING THAT'D BE AGREEABLE TO POLICE AND FIRE, BUT IF NOT, LET ME KNOW. 
          UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THEN YOU DON'T SEE ANY OTHER TRAFFIC CONTROL, SPEED CONTROL DEVICES THAT ARE OUT THERE AVAILABLE TO US AS THIS POTENTIAL TOOLS THEY'RE OUT THERE. 
          I MEAN, THERE, THERE ARE LIKE THE ONES I SHOWED YOU, BUT THEY'RE JUST MORE EXPENSIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE ROUNDABOUTS, THE, I MEAN, WE'VE DONE SOME MANY ROUNDABOUTS TOO. 
          I MEAN, I, STEVE PROBABLY REMEMBERS WHAT THERE'S OVER ON. 
          UH, I THINK IT'S CUMBERLAND OVER OFF OF LIKE AROUND THEORY AND CELESTE. 
          SO YEAH, THERE'S A ROUNDABOUT UP ON, I DON'T KNOW, UP IN COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH'S DISTRICT. 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE STREET IS. 
          I DON'T KNOW BRAND. 
          IT IS THE MOST UNPOPULAR DEVICE IN THE CITY. 
          I, I, I GOT TO SAY THAT AND, AND MY, UH, MY CONSTITUENCY WITH LYNCH AND HANG ME, UM, IF WE WERE TO PUT ANOTHER ONE IN IT, IT IS NOT POPULAR. 
          ACTUALLY IT ROUTED ALL THE SCHOOL BUSES DOWN THE COLLECTOR BECAUSE THE BRAND THAT YOU COULD SEE IT AS AN ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR, IT FEELS LIKE AN ARTERIAL, BUT ALL THE SCHOOL BUSES STOPPED USING THAT ROUTE. 
          AND NOW GO CUT THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON KINGSBRIDGE BECAUSE OF THE ROUNDABOUT. 
          SO IT IS NOT A POPULAR INSTALLATION. 
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YEAH. 
          GO AHEAD, STEVE. 
          IT WAS PUT THERE TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM RUNNING OFF THE ROADWAY THOUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK MOST OF THEM WOULD PREFER TO FLY. 
          UH, THEN YOU SAID, AND I, AND I GET IT. 
          WE HAD A LOT OF ACCIDENTS THERE AND IT MAKES SENSE. 
          UH, BUT I, I WOULD PREFER TO AVOID THEM IN MY LAST TWO YEARS OF OFFICE, IF POSSIBLE. 
          IT'S A LITTLE MORE POPULAR NOW THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT NICER THAN HE USED TO BE. 
          NOT SO MUCH, BUT IT IS NICE. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          IT HAS KIND OF A NICE LITTLE KIND OF ROLLOVER CURVE TO IT. 
          SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO REALLY GO ALL THE WAY AROUND, GET, UH, TO GET, UH, I'VE GOT THE CENTER ONCE OR TWICE, GET A LITTLE AIR, YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          I'M NOT SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE THERE. 
          UM, STEVE, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THE SPEED HUMPS GUY? I REMEMBER AT ONE MEETING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AND, AND, YOU KNOW, ON SOME OF THE STREETS, I THINK THAT IT ONLY INCUR ACTUALLY ENCOURAGES MORE FEEDING THAT IF THERE ARE TWO SPEED HUMPS, PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WELL, HECK I'M GOING TO MAKE UP SOME LOST TIME. 
          THE ONES THAT, THAT WE USE, THE, THE, THE MODE THAT WE USE IS REALLY DESIGNED WHERE YOU CAN BE COMFORTABLE GOING OVER TO IT ABOUT 20, BUT ANYTHING OVER ABOUT 20, THEN IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE. 
          AND THAT'S FOR PASSENGER VEHICLES. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW COMFORTABLE THAT IS FOR THE BIG TRUCKS. 
          I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME DESIGNS THAT HAD THE WIDER WHEEL BASE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF PAUL, HAVE YOU SEEN THOSE THAT WERE DESIGNED TO SLOW DOWN PASSENGER VEHICLES, BUT THE WHEEL BASE IS KIND OF FIT BETTER FOR, FOR, FOR FIRETRUCKS TO GO THROUGH THEM WITHOUT HAVING TO SLOW DOWN TOO MUCH. 
          WE DID. 
          WE DID LOOK AT THAT AT ONE POINT. 
          I MEAN, THE, AND THE, IN THE, I THINK THE ISSUE WE SAW AT THE TIME WAS THE, AT LEAST THE FEELING THEN WAS THAT THE, THE AMBULANCES WERE THE ONES THAT WE REALLY WANTED TO TRY TO KEEP FROM HAVING TO HAVE THE HUMP. 
          CAUSE HE GOT A, HE GOT ABOUT A PATIENT IN THERE. 
          THAT'S THAT'S, YOU DON'T REALLY WANT TO JAR AROUND. 
          SO, UM, AND THE WHEEL BASED ON AN AMBULANCE IS ACTUALLY ALMOST IDENTICAL TO A CAR. 
          SO IT DIDN'T REALLY DO MUCH GOOD THERE, YOU CAN MAKE IT TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE YOU'VE GOT BASICALLY SLOTS FOR A TRUCK TO GO THROUGH THAT A WAY THAT A CAR WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO. 
          BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          AND I'VE BEEN, I DON'T KNOW. 
          AND I THINK THAT GETS A LITTLE TOUGH TO BUILD TO, SO, AND TO MAINTAIN THAT, UH, MY, MY GRANDMOTHER HAS RECENTLY TRANSPORTED, UH, OVER THE TRAN OVER THE STREET HUMP ON KINGSBRIDGE. 
          AND SHE HAD SOME COMMENTS TO MAKE ABOUT THAT AS WELL. 
          AND NONE OF THEM WERE PLEASANT OR PG RATED, SO I'LL LEAVE THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, UNLESS WE HAVE ANYTHING FOR TODAY, LET'S MAYBE COME BACK NEXT MONTH AND TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE MORE. 
          SEE IF THERE'S ANY THING THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS ANY IDEAS ON WHERE TO GO FROM HERE WITH THIS POLICY, AND THEN ALSO CONSIDER, UH, UH, DEPUTY MAYOR FOR 10 MORRIS'S REQUEST THAT WE CONSIDER LOWERING THE COST OF SPEED HUMPS, BUT WE'LL COME BACK AT THAT. 
          I KNOW WE'VE USED MOST OF I'D LIKE TO KEEP US TO AN HOUR. 
          UH, WE'VE USED MOST OF THAT TIME. 
          SO WHY DON'T WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM? IF I CAN REAL QUICK, MY APOLOGY, I HEARD Y'ALL TALKING ABOUT THE ONES DESIGNED FOR THE TRUCKS AND ANIMALS AND STUFF. 
          THE FRONT OF OUR TRUCK IS VERY NATURALLY SUITED FOR THOSE, THE REAR AXLE. 
          WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WHEEL SPREAD ON THE REAR AXLE OF THE DOLE REAL-WORLD FIRE ENGINE IS NARROWER THAN A KIA SPECTRA. 
          SO IT'S THAT REAR AXLE. 
          WE'LL STILL POUND IT PRETTY HARD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, CHIEF BRIEFLY. 
          AND YOU ST. 
          CLAIRE FEEL FREE TO STICK AROUND, BUT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. 
          SO DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO GO AHEAD, JOHN. 
          WELL, MR. CHAIR, I I GUESS HAD ASKED MICHAEL. 
          WOW. 
          HOW LONG DO YOU THINK YOUR PRESENTATION? UM, WELL YOU HAVE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES OR 10 MINUTES. 
          WHAT DO WE HAVE LEFT ON HERE? WE DO HAVE A MEETING COMING UP AT SEVEN. 
          I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE THE TRADITIONAL DINNER, BUT IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN AT LEAST GET US KIND OF GET US WHERE YOU ARE FROM THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS A FEW MONTHS AGO AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL COME BACK AND, AND, UH, AND JUMP IN ON IT NEXT MONTH. 
          YEAH, I THINK 
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I CAN BRIEF YOU ON IT REALLY QUICKLY. 
          AND, AND WE'LL, WE'LL GO FROM THERE. 
          SO LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN REAL QUICK AND THEN MINIMIZE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          EVERYBODY CAN SEE MY SCREEN. 
          YES, SIR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, WE'VE, WE'VE SO FAR CODE A AND CODE B. 
          I HAVEN'T CROSSED OFF THE LIST HERE, WATER IN HOUSE, LOCALIZED FLOODING, AND THEN AS WELL AS THE EROSION ISSUES, WHICH WE HAD A COUPLE OF SESSIONS ON THAT, UH, THE NEXT ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS REAL QUICKLY AS PONDING WATER IN THE STREETS AND ALLEYS AND THE EVALUATION IMPLEMENTATION IS PRETTY EASY. 
          UM, WE GO OUT, WE, WE VISIT WITH THE SITE AND DISCUSS IT WITH PROPERTY OWNER. 
          OBVIOUSLY, IF THE WORK, UM, AND SOMETHING, THIS IS USUALLY PONDING IN THE STREETS, HAUNTING IN, UM, CUL-DE-SACS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AS IS USUALLY COMMON. 
          IF IT'S SOMETHING THE STREET DEPARTMENT CAN REAL DO REAL, DO RELATIVELY SIMPLY REGRADE THE ALLEY LEVEL, LIFT A SECTION OF PAVEMENT, ET CETERA, WE'LL COORDINATE WITH THEM IN AND THEY CAN GO OUT AND USUALLY GET THAT DONE AND PUT IT AS A WORK ORDER AND GET IT DONE. 
          SOME PONDING ISSUES MAY RESULT IN THE STREET IS FAILED, OR THE ALLEYS ARE FAILED IN, IN THE STREET DEPARTMENT WILL RESOLVE THAT WHEN THEY FULLY REPLACED THE STREET OR ALLEY, OR IF THOUGH RE EVEN PANEL REPLACEMENT, THOUGH, THEY CAN RESOLVE SOME OF THESE WITH THE PANEL REPLACEMENT AS WELL, BUT THEY USUALLY JUST PUT IT ON THEIR LIST, UH, WHEN IT COMES UP WITH THEM, UH, WITH THEIR WORK ORDERS FOR, UM, STREET REPLACEMENT OR, UM, PANEL REPLACEMENT. 
          SO SOMETIMES WE ARE ABLE TO ELIMINATE THAT BY IF IT'S A FAILED STREET, BY JUST PATCHING IT WITH ASPHALT. 
          SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO GET THE WATER RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THIS IS A TEMPORARY MEASURE UNTIL IT CAN BE RECONSTRUCTED. 
          AND THEN, UH, OBVIOUSLY SOME PONDING ISSUES, UM, DO ARE PRIVATE. 
          IF IT'S A PRIVATE STREET, UM, THERE ARE A FEW PRIVATE STREETS IN GARLAND. 
          WELL, WE'LL ADVISE THE, THE, UM, THE HOA GROUP OR THE GROUP ON WHAT THEY COULD POSSIBLY DO. 
          UM, I'M GOING TO SKIP THE WATER HOUSE FOR A SECOND DUE TO CREEK FLOODING, AND I'LL GO TO THE GROUNDWATER ISSUES. 
          UM, MOST OF THE GROUNDWATER PROBABLY PRIMARILY 95, 90 TO 95% OF THE GROUNDWATER ISSUES, UH, THAT WE GET CALLS ON ARE PRIVATE MATTERS AND LOCATED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          UM, THERE ARE SOME THAT INVOLVE STREETS AND ALLEYS, AND IN THESE PARTICULAR SITUATIONS, UH, THE STREET, UM, GROUNDWATER ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED DURING THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE STREET. 
          UM, THEY'LL PUT, WE WE'VE PUT SOME FRENCH DRAINS IN THAT TYPE OF THING TO HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THESE, UM, ON SOME STREET PROJECTS. 
          UH, BUT USUALLY WE DON'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL THAT TIME. 
          MOST OF THE TIME, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A TIGHTLY, UM, COUNCILMAN NICKERSON. 
          I KNOW YOU HAVE SOME IN YOUR DISTRICT OVER THERE. 
          UM, IN EASTERN HILLS ADDITION WHERE SOME OF THE STREETS WE'LL SEE AFTER HEAVY RAIN, BUT MOST OF THE TIME DURING THE SUMMER, BUT, UM, WHEN THE STREET DEPARTMENT GETS AROUND TO REPLACING THOSE, UH, WE USUALLY TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE AT THE TIME OF, OF STREET REPLACEMENT. 
          UH, AND THEN WE WILL, UM, WE HAVE ALTERNATIVES FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE, HAVE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS, UM, GROUNDWATER PROBLEMS WITH THEIR PROPERTIES. 
          WE CAN WORK WITH THEM ON, ON, UM, WE HAVE SOME DETAILS IN OUR STANDARD DETAILS WHERE THEY CAN PUT IN PRIVATE, FRENCH DRAINS AND THEY CAN EITHER CONNECT THEM, OR, UH, WE HAVE A DETAILED WHERE THEY CAN DAYLIGHT THEM OUT THE STREET CURB AND LET THEM DRAIN DOWN THE STREET GUTTER, OR THEY SOMETIMES TO THE BACK END OF AN INLET, IF ONE IS CLOSE BY AND WE'LL USUALLY WORK WITH THEM ON THAT. 
          BUT USUALLY THAT'S UP TO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER TO, TO FOOT THE BILL FOR ON THAT. 
          AND THEN FINALLY WATER IN HOUSE DUE TO THE CREEK FLOODING. 
          UH, CURRENTLY WE'VE IDENTIFIED 154 PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE REPORTED TO US THAT HAVE HAD FLOODING. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THERE ARE MORE, WE, WE HAVE A WORKING MAP NOW THIS CANNOT BE DISTRIBUTED TO, UM, THIS MAP CAN BE DISTRIBUTED TO ANYONE AROUND THIS IS, LIKE I SAID, THIS ISN'T EXACT BASED ON SURVEY DATA AND THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION. 
          PLUS THERE ARE, UM, FEMA CONTROLS A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION THAT WE CAN'T JUST READILY AVAILABLE, TELL PEOPLE WHAT PROPERTIES ARE FLOODING, BUT WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE HAVE DOTS, ALL DIFFERENT COLORED DOTS ON A MAP. 
          WE HAVE SQUARES ON A MAP AS WELL. 
          AND IF WE GO OVER TO THE I'M CATCHING UP HERE, THERE WE GO. 
          IF WE GO OVER TO OUR 
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LEGEND HERE, IT'S, IT'S IDENTIFYING THAT THESE, THE DOTS ARE RESIDENTIAL FLOOD DEPTHS OF THESE LOTS. 
          WE'RE ESTIMATING. 
          UM, ONE TO TWO, YOU KNOW, THE GREEN DOTS ARE ZERO TO ONE FOOT. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, ANYTHING RED IS OVER FOUR FEET AND THE SAME FOR THE COMMERCIAL DEPTHS AS WELL. 
          AND THEN IN PARENTHESES THERE, WE, WE SHOW HOW MANY PROPERTIES WE ARE IDENTIFYING BASED ON THE CITY'S TOPO INFORMATION, WHICH IS A TWO FOOT CONTOUR. 
          AND THEN OUR ESTIMATION OF THE ELEVATION BASED ON OUR PLAN AND METRICS THAT WE'VE HAD FLIGHT SURVEYS. 
          SO THIS ISN'T 100% ACCURATE. 
          THIS IS JUST A GUESSTIMATE OF WHAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY AS NUMBER OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE POTENTIALLY FLOOD PRONE DUE TO CREEK FLOODING IN AND FEMA FLOODPLAINS. 
          SO, UM, WHAT WE HAVE IS THAT THE CITY IS CURRENTLY OUTLINING A POLICY. 
          UM, WITH THE LAST BOND REFERENDUM, THERE WAS FUN, UH, THE BUYOUT PROGRAM AND WORKING CURRENTLY ON A POLICY OUTLINING A POLICY CONCERNING FLOOD REMEDIATION FOR HOMES DAMAGED BY CREEKS FLOODING. 
          ALL RIGHT, LET ME GET A CURE. 
          SO SOME SUMMARIZING ALL THE DRAINAGE ISSUES. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THIS BEFORE. 
          MY VERY FIRST PRESENTATION CODE, A WATER AND HOUSE COULD BE EROSION. 
          HOW MANY PROPERTIES WE HAVE REPORTED INTO EACH CATEGORY? SO TOTAL ABOUT 18 LITTLE OVER 1800 PROPERTIES REPORTED OVER THE YEARS, DATING FROM THE 1980S ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE TWO THOUSANDS, 2000 UP TO EVEN, UM, RECENTLY JUST, UH, 2020, I THINK WE HAD ONE OR TWO IN 2020, UH, DRAINAGE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE DISCUSSED SO FAR. 
          UM, CODY WATER AND HOUSE COUNCIL AGREED TO ALLOCATE A MAXIMUM OF TWENTY-FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR PROPERTIES IN LIEU OF THE 15 THAT WE HAD BEFORE. 
          AND THAT ACTUALLY WENT BEFORE THE COUNCIL. 
          SOME AREAS WILL REQUIRE LARGER SCALE REMEDIATION, SUCH AS BOND PROJECTS. 
          UM, AS YOU SAY, THERE I'VE REFERENCED A FEW THAT WE HAVE ON THE CURRENT BOND PROGRAM IN SOME OF THE PAST EROSION ISSUES, UM, CONTINUING WITH THE DRAINAGE PARTICIPATION PROGRAM, UH, FOR THE PROPERTIES THAT QUALIFY THAT WAS ALL BASED ON A DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD WITH THE TIM COMMITTEE. 
          UH, THERE WAS ONE OUTSTANDING QUESTION THAT PROPERTIES THAT DON'T QUALIFY UNDER THIS CRITERIA, WHAT WOULD BE THE SOLUTION BECAUSE IF THEY EXCEED 50% OF THE TOTAL VALUE, UM, WOULD THEY BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE BUYOUT PROGRAM OR NOT? THAT WOULD BE ONE OPTION. 
          UM, AND, BUT, BUT THAT'S STILL AN OUTSTANDING QUESTION OF WHAT, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T QUALIFY FOR THE ROJAN CONTROLLED, WHAT WOULD BE THE ALTERNATIVE? AND THEN NOW AGAIN, CODY, UH, WATER IN HOUSE DUE TO CREEK FLOODING, UH, THERE'S SOME OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS THAT, THAT WE'LL HAVE TO COMPILE AND BRING BACK SOME INFORMATION TO THE COMMITTEE. 
          UH, ONE IS, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY DO NOTHING FLOOD INSURANCE IS AVAILABLE FOR, FOR THESE PROPERTIES. 
          AND THEN THE VOLUNTARY BUYOUT PROGRAM IS OPTION NUMBER TWO, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT WILL HAVE TO BE VETTED SUCH AS HOW MUCH TO ALLOCATE, UM, FOR EACH PROPERTY. 
          DO WE ESTABLISH A MAXIMUM LIMIT? UM, DO WE OFFER RELOCATION EXPENSES IF THIS IS VOLUNTARY, SOME OTHER ISSUES WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A RUSH OF THESE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD OR NOT, BUT HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THESE? IS IT A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE BASIS OR IS IT GOING TO BE BASED ON, WELL, THIS PERSON GETS FOUR TO SIX FEET OF WATER IN THEIR HOUSE VERSUS THIS PERSON GETS SIX INCHES OF WATER IN THEIR HOUSE. 
          HOW WOULD WE DO THAT? UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO STILL BE ANSWERED ON, ON HOW WE WOULD, HOW WE WOULD APPROACH THE BUYOUT PROGRAM, UH, IF WE, IF WE'RE, WHEN WE IMPLEMENT THAT. 
          AND SO WITH THAT, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I KNOW THAT WAS QUICK, BUT OTHER MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE LOTS OF DIGEST AT ONE TIME. 
          SO, UM, I THINK, I THINK SUMMARIZING WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THE DRAINAGE PROGRAMS AND POLICIES, EXCEPT THE ONES, THE DECISION WE HAVE TO MAKE RESEARCH AND MAKE ON FLOOD PRONE, PROPERTY AND, UH, PROPERTY THAT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT DAMAGED DUE TO FLOODING, BUT IT HAS SEVERE EROSION PROBLEMS. AND, UH, IN THE SAME WAY, THE COSTS OF CITY PARTICIPATION IN PROTECTING 
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THAT PROPERTY, SHOULD IT SHOULDN'T HAVE A CAP TO THE REAL LIMIT, UH, IN THIS. 
          SO IN THAT WAY, IT'S LIKE FLOOD PRO PROPERTY. 
          IT'S JUST EROSION PRO PROPERTY, IF YOU WILL. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE READY TO, PERHAPS IT'S THE NEXT MEETING, START TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE ISSUES MICHAEL HAS TALKED ABOUT BECAUSE MICHAEL IS WITH HER $4 MILLION IN THE BOND PROGRAM. 
          I BELIEVE IT WAS 3 MILLION, 3 MILLION. 
          WE HAVE, EVERY TIME WE HAVE A BIG RAIN, WE, WE GET CALLS FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN A SOLUTION AND WE DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION. 
          AND I THINK THE THOUGHT OF THE COMMITTEE, THE BOND COMMITTEE, AND I BELIEVE THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME, UH, OF INCLUDING IT IN THE BOND PROGRAM WAS TO PROVIDE A SOLUTION WHERE IT WOULD BE A VOLUNTARY BUYOUT. 
          UM, AND I THINK WE'RE READY TO, IF THE COMMITTEE IS GOOD WITH THAT TO START BRINGING FORWARD ISSUES AND PERHAPS WAYS TO CATEGORIZE AND RATE AND, AND DEAL WITH, WITH THOSE PROPERTIES. 
          I MEAN, I THINK ALSO I AM, UH, I'D LIKE TO REALLY FOCUS ON IT, BUT HAVE WE REALLY LOOKED AT WHAT I KNOW, I THINK WE WE'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH ON THIS, BUT PART OF LOOKING AT THIS AND WE REALLY LOOKED AT WHAT OTHER OTHER CITIES HAVE POLICY-WISE DEVELOPED ON THESE BUYOUT KINDS OF THINGS. 
          UH, I DON'T, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF, I MEAN, CERTAINLY IT CAN'T BE JUST OUR CITY. 
          THAT'S HAD TO CONTEND WITH THIS OVER TIME. 
          SO, UM, MAYBE THAT'S A PLACE TO START TO, I DON'T KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, WE HAVE DONE THAT ACTUALLY OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS. 
          UH, WE'VE COMPILED SOME DATA FROM AUSTIN, THE ONION CREEK AREA THAT THEY DID A NUMBER OF BUYOUTS. 
          UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT HARRIS COUNTY, WHICH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IN HARRIS COUNTY, THEY'VE HAD A NUMBER OF, OF, UM, UH, THEY'VE KIND OF CREATED THIS OVER THE YEARS. 
          AND THEN WE'VE ALSO LOOKED, UM, LIKE TULSA HAS A PRETTY GOOD, BUT WE WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF THEM THAT WE'VE PULLED FROM DIFFERENT AREAS, NOT JUST IN THE STATE, BUT EVEN OUT OF STATE THAT WE'VE PULLED A LOT OF DATA FROM. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE COMPILING OUR OUTLINE. 
          UM, FROM TWO TO KIND OF GO WITH THE GENERAL GENERALIZATION OF THIS IS WHAT KIND OF, WHAT THE OTHER CITIES ARE ALREADY DOING AND OTHER ENTITIES ARE ALREADY DOING, AND WE'RE TRYING TO COMPILE IT TO KINDA MOLD AND FOLLOW WHAT THEY'VE, WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED SO THAT IT'S NOT TOO, TOO VARIANT FROM THEM. 
          UM, THE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT, THAT IN A LOT OF PLACES, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN IMPLEMENTED, MAYBE NOT EVEN INVOLVING THE MUNICIPALITIES, BUT INVOLVING FEMA OR THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM WHERE THEY'VE, I MEAN, I THINK HE WAS UP IN WASHINGTON ALONG THE BANKS OF SOME RIVER. 
          THEY, THEY MOVED AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY, LIKE SEVERAL HUNDRED HOMES. 
          THEY THEY'RE LIKE, NO, YOU GUYS, YOU ALL FLOODED TOO MUCH. 
          WE'RE GONNA MOVE YOU LIKE HALF A MILE TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK BANK OR SOMETHING. 
          UM, WHICH SOUNDS A LITTLE CRAZY, BUT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THEY'VE ALSO DONE THAT IN, YOU SEE A LOT OF IT ON SOME OF THESE COASTAL STORMS WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE HAVE BUILT HOMES ON THE COAST AND, AND THEY'VE REPEATEDLY PHYSICALLY FALLEN INTO THE SEA AND THEN GET REBUILT. 
          AND THEN EVENTUALLY SOMEBODY COMES ALONG AND SAYS, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS TIME WE'RE NOT GONNA REBUILD YOU, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL PAY YOU FOR YOUR LOSS, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA REBUILD YOU. 
          AND THAT MAY END UP BEING KIND OF THE, BECAUSE ON THIS ONE, I THINK OF FLOOD-PRONE PROPERTIES AND MAYBE THAT'S HOW WE NEED TO GO. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IF WE CAN KNOCK THIS OUT MAYBE NEXT MONTH OR, UH, WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO NEED IT. 
          UM, IT, THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT WE'VE, WE MAY, WE MAY PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER AND PUT IT, UH, GET APPROVED BY COUNCIL, AND THEN IT SITS ON THE SHELF FOR 10 YEARS. 
          OR WE MAY FIND THAT IF WE DON'T GET IT DONE, WE MAY WISH COME INTO MAY THAT WE REALLY HAD, UM, BECAUSE WE COULD HAVE A SITUATION AGAIN WHERE A BUNCH OF PLACES GET FLAUNTED AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME CREECH WHERE IT'S JUST IT'S RELATIVELY ROUTINE. 
          I MEAN, AS I'M SURE I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, I THINK ONE OF THE FIRST CONVERSATIONS JOHN AND I HAD, IT WAS, I MEAN, LITERALLY I THINK IT MIGHT'VE BEEN LIKE MIGHT'VE BEEN AFTER MY FIRST COUNCIL MEETING BECAUSE WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT OF DUCTWORK BUILDING AND, AND I GOT A CALL FROM SOMEBODY WHOSE 
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HOME HAD FLOODED LIKE 10 TIMES IN THE 50 YEARS SHE LIVED THERE AND WHAT COULD WE DO? AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE GENESIS OF, OF THAT IDEA OF REALLY, THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO IS MAYBE WORK WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM IS GONNA, IS GONNA LEVERAGE THIS STUFF, YOU KNOW, AND, AND BY OUT OF HOME AS THEY DO ON SOME OF THESE, AND MAYBE IT'S ART, MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, SEE IF WE CAN JUMP IN IN SOME WAY AND LEVERAGE THAT MONEY TO BUY SOMEBODY OUT AND, AND JUST START, YOU KNOW, TURN A LOT OF THESE BACK TO GREEN SPACE FOR A WHILE. 
          AND ACTUALLY I HAD HAD A CONVERSATION WITH PARKS AND THEY WERE LIKE, OH, THAT'D BE GREAT IDEA. 
          PARTICULARLY ALONG SOME OF OUR FREAKS, IF THEY SKILL, IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING BIKE WAYS IN THE CREEKS THAT YOU COULD COME IN AND OUT OF THE CREEK AND HAVE REST AREAS AND OTHER STUFF. 
          SO, YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF ISSUES, A LOT OF OPERATIONAL ISSUES. 
          AND MICHAEL'S LOOKED AT A LOT OF THE STATE AND NATIONAL PROGRAMS AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT ALL THAT, UM, AT THE NEXT ONE. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL DO A ROSHAN AFTER THAT, I GUESS. 
          AND THEN, UM, AND IF YOU NEED INPUT ON THE, ON THE OTHER ONE ABOUT THE CAP FOR, FOR WHERE WE DO, UH, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE IT IS, WHICH GROUP, IF IT'S A, OR B OR C, UM, THEN WE GET THAT AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THEN WE'LL, WE'LL GET STARTED ON THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GREAT. 
          AWESOME. 
          ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYONE? ALL RIGHT. 
          WITH THAT? UH, THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          AND WE WILL BE ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU.
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