Apr 19, 2021 Work Session

NO, THAT'S VERY GOOD AND WHEN WE GET TO THAT ITEM.

I'VE GOT THESE QUESTIONS LISTED AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS ALL OF THEM.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK ON AN AGENDA ITEM THIS EVENING? ALL RIGHT, I DON'T SEE ANY.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS IT.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO, I CONSIDER THE AGENDA TO BE FOR TOMORROW NIGHT.

[2. Consider the Consent Agenda]

I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY REQUEST TO HAVE ANY ITEMS EXCUSE ME PULLED CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.

BUT OBVIOUSLY, IF WE DO HAVE THOSE, LET US KNOW.

SO THAT WAY WE CAN TRY TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE STAFF AVAILABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE.

[3. Written Briefings]

NEXT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE WRITTEN BRIEFINGS.

ITEM THREE A PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE GARLAND HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION AND THE CITY OF GARLAND TO ADMINISTER DONATED GHFC FUNDING.

AND I BELIEVE.

I SEE A HAND UP BUT I DON'T SEE IT IN MY IN MY LIST HERE, COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBIE AND I THINK YOU'RE MUTED.

SORRY, IT'S ME MAYOR I HAVE QUESTIONS.

OK, GO AHEAD.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD TAKE THIS TOGETHER WITH ITEM B OR NOT, I GUESS, WHICH IS, I GUESS, MY FIRST QUESTION.

OK, SO ITEM THREE B IS USE OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDING FOR THE DEMOLITION OF 1922 CASTLE DRIVE.

AND WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE SOMEONE FROM GHFC ON THE LINE WITH US TONIGHT TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS AS WELL.

OK, I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION IS ARE ONE AND TWO LINKED OR ARE THESE TWO AGREEMENTS TOGETHER IN SOME WAY.

NO, NO SIR THEY'RE NOT.

OK, SO WE CAN AGREE TO ONE AND THEN NOT AGREE TO THE OTHER WITHOUT ANY EFFECT ON THEM.

ON THE FIRST ONE, THEN ON A I KNOW THERE'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE CUT OUT ON

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THIS.

ARE WE PLANNING ON HIRING MORE STAFF TO ADMINISTER THIS PROGRAM? MAYOR I'LL JUMP IN ON THIS ONE.

YES, SIR WE ARE WE HAVE I ACTUALLY HAVE THE POSITION POSTED PENDING COUNCIL APPROVAL.

AND IF COUNCIL APPROVES, THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT HIRING AN INSPECTOR TO HELP AND TO HELP WITH THE INSPECTION SIDE OF THAT PROGRAM.

IS THERE ANY RECOURSE FOR US IF THIS MONEY DOESN'T COME, IF WE HIRE SOMEONE IN THIS MONEY DOESN'T COME THROUGH? NO, SIR, WE HIRE SOMEONE.

AND THE ADMINISTRATION FUNDING IS BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING SPENT.

SO WE ANTICIPATE THERE IS A NEED OUT THERE FOR THIS FUNDING THAT'S FALLING THROUGH THE CRACKS ON GRANT FUNDING.

SO THERE'S NO RECOURSE.

IF WE DON'T SPEND THE FUNDING, THEN THIS IS A TEMPORARY POSITION.

SO WE JUST DON'T RENEW THE POSITION.

I'M SORRY, MAYBE MY QUESTION WAS IN [INAUDIBLE].

I GUESS THE QUESTION I'M ASKING IS, DO WE KNOW IF GHFC IS GOOD FOR THE MONEY? BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HIRE SOMEONE BASED ON GHFCS SENDING THE MONEY THIS WAY.

AND I JUST YOU KNOW, AND THINGS MAY BE DIFFERENT SINCE MR. GIBBONS WENT THERE AND MAYBE THEY'RE NOW FLUSHED WITH CASH.

BUT I KNOW THAT FOR MANY YEARS THE STATEMENT THAT WE HEARD WAS THAT GHFC DIDN'T HAVE TWO NICKELS TO RUB TOGETHER.

AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOOD IN THAT REGARD.

IN THE AGREEMENT, THEY'RE GOING TO FRONT SOME OF THE MONEY, IT'LL BE FRONTED IN DIFFERENT AMOUNTS.

SO I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO START AT QUARTERLY ONE HUNDRED AND TWELVE THOUSAND DOLLARS WILL BE FUNDED.

SO THEY'LL FUND THAT BEFORE WE EVER START TO SPEND ANYTHING.

AND AS NEEDED, THEY'LL REFUND IT.

I'M SORRY, ADD MORE FUNDING BUT INSTEAD OF REFUND IT.

OK AS NEEDED, OR I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TERMS LIKE IN JULY, THERE'S ANOTHER TRANCHE AND THEN I THINK IN OCTOBER, ANOTHER ONE AFTER THAT.

IF WE NEEDED PRIOR TO THOSE QUARTERLY DATES THAT WERE LISTED IN THE AGREEMENT, THEN IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT GHFC SAID THEY COULD FORWARD US SOME MORE MONEY THAT COULD PUT SOME MORE MONEY IN OUR COFFERS TO USE IF WE SPEND THE MONEY BEFORE THAT, IF WE HAVE PROJECTS.

ON ITEM B THEN, THIS ITEM TROUBLES ME A LITTLE BIT IT REMINDS ME QUITE A BIT OF THE DISCUSSION WE WENT THROUGH ALMOST FIVE YEARS AGO ABOUT GREEN EXTREME HOMES IN THE BROWNS.

AND SO I'M TRYING TO DETERMINE WHY, IF THIS IS CDGB MONEY THAT HAS COME BACK TO THE CITY THAT ISN'T USED, WHICH IS THE EXACT SITUATION WE HAD THEN, WHICH IS THAT THERE WERE CDGB MONEY THAT THAT HADN'T BEEN USED AND IT WAS COMING BACK AND THEN IT WAS BASICALLY PROGRAMS AND TRIED TO PUT THROUGH ON A WRITTEN BRIEFING WITHOUT DISCUSSING WITH COUNCIL.

AND BACK THEN IT WAS ACTUALLY IN LIKE JULY.

AND SO THERE WAS A LITTLE MORE CONFUSION BECAUSE IT WAS JUST A FEW MONTHS AFTER THE CDGB DISCUSSION.

BUT I'M A LITTLE TROUBLED THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE CDGB DISCUSSION ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

AND THIS IS NOT PART OF THAT, AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY I THOUGHT THAT WHEN WE DEALT WITH THE GREEN EXTREME HOMES.

SO I THINK THAT WAS THE NAME OF THE COMPANY.

I THOUGHT WHEN WE DEALT WITH THEM, WE HAD A DISCUSSION AND EFFECTIVELY A POLICY THAT SAID THAT IF MONEY WAS COMING BACK, IT NEEDED TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THEY NEEDED TO COME TO COUNCIL AND THEY NEEDED TO SEE WHAT THE OPTIONS WERE.

YES SIR.

AND THAT'S TRUE.

WE DID HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, THIS FUNDING DIDN'T WE WEREN'T NOTIFIED ABOUT THIS FUNDING UNTIL THE END OF MARCH.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING IT NOW.

WE HAD TO DO SOME INVESTIGATION TO SEE WHERE THIS MONEY COULD COME FROM.

SOME OF THE MONEY CAME BACK FROM AS FAR AS 2003 AND THE PROGRAM THAT WE NEED A SHOVEL READY PROJECT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SPEND IT BY SEPTEMBER 11TH.

SO WE AFTER WE DID THE INVESTIGATION AND FIGURED IT OUT WHERE THIS MONEY CAME FROM AND SOME OF IT, I STILL DON'T KNOW WHERE SOME OF IT CAME FROM BECAUSE IT WAS FROM 2003 AND I CAN'T GO BACK THAT FAR.

BUT I DID PUT IT ON THE AGENDAS SOON AS I COULD GET IT ON THE AGENDA.

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THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT WAS A PROJECT THAT COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IN 16, 17, CDBG YEAR.

AND THAT'S WHY I PULLED THIS ONE UP, SIMPLY BECAUSE IT WAS A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROJECT BY COUNCIL IN 2016-17 FOR 402 AROUND 402 THOUSAND DOLLARS AND NEVER MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE WE COULDN'T ACQUIRE IT AND STILL HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO TEAR IT DOWN.

AT THAT TIME, THE OWNERS WOULDN'T SELL IT TO US FOR LESS THAN 600 THOUSAND DOLLARS.

SO WE NEVER WENT FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD ENOUGH TO TEAR THE THING DOWN.

SO WE JUST BASICALLY CLOSED THAT OUT AND REALLOCATED THE FUNDING.

BUT THE PROJECT THAT WE CHOSE THIS PROJECT SIMPLY BECAUSE GHFC APPROACHED US AND ASKED IF THE DEMOLITION PROJECT WAS STILL ACTIVE AND IT WAS NOT ACTIVE, BUT IT IS THE SHOVEL READY PROJECT SIMPLY BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.

WE'VE ALREADY HAD THIS PROJECT APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN 16, 17, AND IF COUNCIL CHOOSES TO RENEW IT, WE CAN DO THAT.

WE CAN JUST GO BACK AND RENEW THE PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED IN 16 17 TO DO THE SAME THING.

OK, SO THE 402 THOUSAND WAS ALREADY REPURPOSED, HAS ALREADY GONE ELSEWHERE? YES, SIR.

AND I GUESS THE REASON I ASK THIS IS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE HAVE OTHER PROJECTS IN OUR DISTRICTS THAT MANY OF WHICH ARE OR WOULD BE CONSIDERED SHOVEL READY.

AND I THINK THE COUNCIL OUGHT TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON WHAT THOSE ARE.

FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS LAST YEAR OR TWO YEARS AGO THAT WE PUT MONEY, I THINK WAS ACTUALLY TWO YEARS AGO, THAT WE PUT MONEY TOWARDS REDEVELOPMENT OF A COUPLE OF PARKS AND ONE OF WHICH BEING KINGSLEY PARK.

AND WHEN WE DID THAT, WE DETERMINED THAT THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH MONEY FOR A COMPLETE REDO OF KINGSLEY PARK YET.

AND THE DISCUSSION WAS THAT IN FUTURE CDBG CYCLES, WE WOULD WE WOULD TRY AND GET THE REST OF THAT FUNDED.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ALL THE DESIGNS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO THERE I DON'T KNOW IF MR. HESSER HAPPENS TO BE ONLINE, BUT WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT GETTING KINGSLEY PARK DONE.

AND SO I THINK THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE GOT A BIT OF A HURRY.

WE NEED TO MOVE QUICKLY.

BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT COUNCIL SHOULD WEIGH IN ON WHEN MONEY COMES BACK IN TERMS OF WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE, YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

AND LET ME ADD, COUNCILMAN, IF I MAY, WE DID OPEN UP THE APPLICATION PERIOD FOR THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS FOR CDBG FUNDING.

PARKS DIDN'T SUBMIT ONE FOR KINGSLEY PARK AND CDBG DID SUBMIT ONE FOR THE DEMOLITION PROJECT.

SO AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON BECAUSE I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY REQUESTS FOR CITY PROJECTS FROM ANY OTHER DEPARTMENTS THROUGH THE CDBG PROCESS.

SO I FIND THAT VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE WHEN I SPOKE WITH MR. HESSER SEVERAL MONTHS AGO ABOUT THIS, HE SAID THAT HE HAD OR I DON'T KNOW, IF IT WAS MONTHS AGO OR WEEKS AGO.

HE SAID THAT HE HAD ASKED FOR MONEY FOR KINGSLEY PARK OUT OF THE CDBG PROGRAM AND HAD BEEN TOLD NO.

WELL, ALL I KNOW IS THAT THIS IS A COUNCIL DECISION AND IT SHOULD COME TO COUNCIL WITH THE OPTIONS.

AND I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED TO BE HAVING THIS EXACT DISCUSSION AGAIN FIVE YEARS LATER.

DOES CDBG CURRENTLY OWN THIS PROPERTY? YES, SIR.

HOW IS IT, ZONED, DO WE KNOW? I'M NOT SURE I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AND FIND OUT, I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK.

IT'S NOT IT'S RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE IT'S STILL ZONED COMMERCIAL.

MY CONCERN IS AND THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL IS THAT THE CONTRACT AS I LOOK AT IT DOES NOT REQUIRE GHFC TO BUILD ANYTHING HERE.

IT JUST SAYS THAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS AGREEMENT IS FOR THEM TO BUILD ANYTHING.

SO WE'RE PAYING MONEY TO TAKE THE BUILDING DOWN, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH IT.

AND SO I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH THIS CONTRACT.

I DON'T KNOW IF LEGAL CAN ANSWER THAT OR SOMEONE ELSE CAN JUMP IN ON THAT.

AND WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE IT SAY THAT IF THAT'S ONE OF THE CONDITIONS, I DON'T THINK IT WAS DRAFTED WITH THAT VIEW IN MIND, BUT THAT'S WHY IT'S ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

YOU CAN TELL US HOW TO [INAUDIBLE] WE'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN THAT WAY, ASSUMING THE COUNTERPART IS WILLING TO DO SO.

WELL, HERE'S MY THING.

I MEAN, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO GET A REAL LIST OF OPTIONS HERE AND HAVE COUNCIL LOOK AT THESE AND THEN HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THE BEST OPTION WOULD BE.

AS FOR THE CONTRACT HERE, MY CONCERN IS, AND I UNDERSTAND GHFC IS UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT, BUT THE ISSUE WE'VE HAD BEFORE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY PARTICIPATED, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF MILLER GARDEN IN THE ACTUALLY I'M SORRY, NOT THE DEVELOPMENT, THE DECONSTRUCTION OF MILLER GARDENS, WHICH THEN BECAME A GHFC PROPERTY.

THEY CAME TO THIS COUNCIL AND TOLD US THAT PROPERTY WAS GOING TO BE TURNED INTO TOWNHOMES AND THEN WITHOUT ANY MENTION TO THIS COUNCIL, WITHOUT ANY DISCUSSION WITH US AT ALL OR WITHOUT DISCUSSION TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHOSE DISTRICT THAT WAS IN, WHICH IS MINE, THEY SOLD THAT PROPERTY FOR DEVELOPMENT BY RIGHT AS MULTIFAMILY.

AND SO MY CONCERN IS THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT THAT SAYS WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BECOME, WE MAY HAVE AN IDEA WHAT THE PURPOSE IS, BUT I DON'T WANT IT TO TURN AROUND AND

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FIND OUT THAT WE SPENT TWO HUNDRED AND ELEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, TO LINE THE POCKETS OF A DEVELOPER WHO'S GOING TO PUT IN WHATEVER IF IT'S MULTIFAMILY OR SOME OTHER THING THERE THAT DOESN'T MEET THE PURPOSES OF WHAT WE'VE SAID IT IS GOING TO BE USED FOR.

AND I HAVE WE HAVE SOMEONE WE HAVE MR. GIBBONS FROM GHFC ONLINE, WITH US AND MAYBE HE CAN ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS.

MR. GIBBONS, THE HONORABLE DAVID GIBBONS, I HAVE OPENED UP THE LINE ON OUR END, IF YOU CAN UNMUTE YOURSELF, YOU'VE HEARD THE QUESTIONS THIS EVENING.

CAN YOU ADDRESS THOSE, PLEASE? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I CAN CERTAINLY ATTEMPT.

FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THIS.

THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY HAS BEEN AN EYESORE IN DISTRICT ONE FOR MORE YEARS, THAN WE CAN ALL REMEMBER AND WE AT GHFC HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACQUIRE THIS PROPERTY, WHICH WE DID, AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY IN AN EFFORT TO FIND WAYS THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER, NOT ONLY IN THIS PARTICULAR PHASE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO HOW WE CAN WORK TOGETHER IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROCESS IN WORKING WITH THE CITY, BECAUSE MS. WOODARD AND HER TEAM ARE WANTING NOT ONLY TO PARTNER WITH US ON THIS DEMOLITION, BUT ALSO PARTNER WITH US IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF WHAT WE ENVISION AS A POCKET NEIGHBORHOOD OF SENIOR COTTAGES, AFFORDABLE SENIOR COTTAGES, WHERE WE WOULD LOOK TO THE TEAM WITH MS .

WOODARD AND HER FOLKS NOT ONLY TO THE PARTNER INVESTMENT DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO IN THE LISTINGS OF THE UNITS AND THE SALE OF THE UNITS AND THE FINANCING OF THE UNITS WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS THAT WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE COST.

BECAUSE ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE AFFORDABLE COMMUNITIES, PARTICULARLY FOR SALE, IS THAT THE TAXES ARE MORE THAN WHAT THE MORTGAGE PAYMENTS END UP BEING IN SOME CASES HERE.

THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED FOR NURSING, HOME USE, CONVALESCENT CARE IT WAS REZONED AT ABOUT 2016.

PRIOR TO THAT, IT WAS ZONED COMMERCIAL.

THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN VANDALIZED.

THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN ESSENTIALLY TORN APART.

ALL THE HVAC ALL THE MECHANICAL HAS BEEN RIPPED OUT OF THE PROPERTY.

IT HAS BEEN A CODE NIGHTMARE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND HAS BEEN AN ISSUE WITH OUR UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS BREAKING IN AND ATTEMPTING TO [INAUDIBLE] FACILITY.

AND SO THERE ARE MANY ISSUES THERE.

GHFC FULLY PLANS, AGAIN, AS WE TALKED ABOUT WORKING WITH MS. WOODWARD AND HER TEAM, WE ENVISION, AS I SAID, A POCKET NEIGHBORHOOD OF DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FOR THE MOST AFFORDABLE FOR AT LEAST 80 PERCENT, AMI IF NOT SOME SET ASIDES FOR 50 PERCENT AMI WE'RE LOOKING FOR AND WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING TO THE GARLAND INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR POSSIBLE WORKING WITH THEM FOR THEIR EFFORTS WITH THE TECHNICAL CENTER TO HELP WITH THEIR ARCHITECTURAL STUDENTS, DOING DESIGN WORK WITH US, POSSIBLY WITH THEIR HOME CONSTRUCTIONAL TEAM AT NAAMAN FOREST HIGH SCHOOL.

AND THEY'LL BE ACTUALLY PARTICIPATING IN SOME OF THE BUILDING OF THE HOMES.

WE MAY END UP ALSO TALKING WITH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY AS WELL.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AT GHCF IS WE'RE TRYING TO RENEW OUR COMMITMENT TO THE CITY OF GARLAND TO PROVIDE FOR THOSE NEIGHBORS OF OURS WHO NEED HELP BE IT WITH REPAIRS TO HOMES BE IT TO EMERGENCY REPAIRS FROM THE ICE STORMS BE IT TO CODE CARES.

OUR TOTAL COMMITMENT THAT WE'VE MADE TO THE CITY AND THE BOARD HAS APPROVED AND OUR BUDGET AND WE'RE COMMITTED IS A TOTAL SUM, OF FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

THIS AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WAS AS MS. WOODARD NOTED, IT WAS AMENDED CURRENTLY.

AS SOON AS THIS IS APPROVED, GHFC WILL BE FUNDING TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IMMEDIATELY.

FIFTY THOUSAND FOR CODE CARES, FIFTY THOUSAND FOR THE EMERGENCY REPAIRS, FIFTY THOUSAND FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME REPAIR AND FIFTY THOUSAND FOR EMERGENCY REPAIRS.

WHAT WE'VE SAID IS IF MS. WOODARD CAN SPEND ALL THE MONEY BEFORE THE NEW QUARTER COMES UP AND WANTS SOME MORE, WE'LL

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GIVE IT TO HER.

IF SHE HASN'T SPENT IT ALL QUITE FRANKLY, COUNCILMAN WE'VE NOT DONE THIS BEFORE, SO WE REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW QUICKLY WE CAN SPEND THIS MONEY.

MS. WOODARD HAS ALREADY TOLD ME THAT SHE'S ALREADY COMMITTED ONE HUNDRED TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND OF THE TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND THAT WE'RE PREPARED TO WRITE A CHECK FOR THIS WEEK.

SO I THINK OUR OPPORTUNITY IS [INAUDIBLE].

COUNCILMAN I WASN'T AT GHFC WHEN THE SALE OF THE MILLER GARDENS OCCURRED AND SIR I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED.

I HAVE NO IDEA.

I KNOW THAT THIS COUNCIL PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THAT SITUATION.

I KNOW THAT THERE WAS GREAT HOPE IN THAT THAT I KNOW THAT GHFC DID ATTEMPT TO DO SOME DESIGN WORK AND SOME EFFORTS.

AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW AND RECALL FROM THE CONVERSATIONS, THAT DEVELOPMENT SIDE IS A HUGE CHALLENGE WITH THE CELL TOWER AND OTHER ISSUES OF WHERE YOU CAN'T DEVELOP THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.

AND SO, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AT THE MILLER GARDENS AND I CAN'T OPINE ON THEM.

ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS, AS I TOLD MATT WATSON AND AS I TOLD MR. BRADFORD AND I TOLD JUDGE JOHNSON, THERE'S A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN IN GHFC.

AND OUR BOARD REALLY WANTS TO SEE OUR COMMITMENT TO THE CITIZENS OF GARLAND BE IT THROUGH THE CITY, BE IT THROUGH GISD, BE IT THROUGH GOOD SAMARITANS, BE IT THROUGH HOPE CLINIC, BE IT THROUGH OUR OTHER NONPROFIT PARTNERS THAT WE'RE CONTRIBUTING FUNDS TO, THAT THOSE DOLLARS GET SPENT WHERE THE NEED IS.

THOSE COMMUNITIES WITH THOSE HOMEOWNERS WHO HAVE NEEDS THAT OUR HUD FUNDS CAN'T MEET.

I FOUND OUT THINGS I DIDN'T KNOW WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL.

BUT IF AN AFFORDABLE HOMEOWNER.

A HOMEOWNER IN NEED OF ASSISTANCE COMES TODAY AND ASKED FOR HELP AND WE GIVE THEM HELP UP TO FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS SAY TO REPLACE THEIR AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM IF THERE HOT WATER HEATER SYSTEM GOES OUT NEXT WEEK THEY CAN'T COME BACK TO THE CITY FOR FIVE YEARS TO GET HUD MONEY.

WE'VE SAID TO MS. WOODARD AND HER TEAM.

HERE'S THE MONEY.

IF THEY COME BACK NEXT WEEK AND WANT MORE MONEY AND IT'S A LEGITIMATE NEED AND THEY ARE AFFORDABLE, THEY MEET THE AFFORDABILITY STANDARDS, GIVE THEM THE MONEY.

WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE FIVE YEARS IF THERE'S A NEED THERE.

WE WANT TO HELP CITIZENS OF GARLAND WITH THAT NEED.

YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE LEGALITIES OF THE AGREEMENT, BUT CERTAINLY I'VE HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. NEIGHBORS TEAM, INCLUDING MR. ENGLAND, AND GEEZ I'M GOING BLANK STEVE.

I CAN'T REMEMBER HIS LAST NAME PARDON MY [INAUDIBLE] BUT WE'VE TRIED TO WRITE THE AGREEMENT SO THAT EVERYONE FELT FAIR WITH IT OUR CONCERN WAS WE DIDN'T WANT TO FUND FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS UPFRONT AND THEN FIND OUT NINE MONTHS LATER IS THAT IT COULDN'T BE SPENT THE WAY THE NEED FOR IT.

SO WE'VE STAGGERED THIS SO THAT WE TRY TO FUND WHERE THERE'S A NEED AND QUITE FRANKLY, OUR BOARD WANTS TO HEAR BACK.

YOU KNOW IF WE GIVE MS. WOODARD TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, WE'D LIKE TO HEAR IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS HOW THAT GOT SPENT.

NOT A LOT OF DETAILS, BUT HOW MANY FAMILIES WOULD HEL WHAT KIND OF HELP DID WE PROVIDE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

AND SO I KNOW THIS IS A NEW VENTURE FOR US BOTH BUT GHFC IS FULLY COMMITTED TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR CITY.

IN FACT, I'VE ASKED THE MAYOR AND THE CITY MANAGER TO PUT GHFC ON AN UPCOMING AGENDA SO THAT WE CAN COME TELL YOU, GIVE YOU AN UPDATE.

I BELIEVE, AS I RECALL, COUNCILMAN AUBIN THE LAST TIME WE GOT AN UPDATE FROM GHFC, WE WERE POSSIBLY STILL MEETING DUCKWORTH BUILDING IT'S BEEN SO LONG SINCE WE CAME BEFORE THE COUNCIL.

AND AS I SAID TO THE MAYOR AND I SAID TO MR. BRADFORD, SHAME ON US AT GHFC FOR NOT COMING TO COUNCIL, BUT SHAME ON COUNCIL FOR NOT ASKING US TO COME BEFORE YOU [INAUDIBLE] SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT COMING BACK, THE MAYOR HAS ASKED THAT WE WAIT UNTIL THE NEW COUNCIL IS SEATED SO THAT EVERYBODY IS ON BOARD.

BUT WE HAVE SOME GREAT STORIES TO TELL.

I WILL TELL YOU VERY QUICKLY IS WHEN MILLER GARDENS WAS AROUND THERE PROBABLY WASN'T 2 NICKELS TO RUB TOGETHER POSSIBLY NOT EVEN TWO PENNIES TO RUB TOGETHER.

BUT WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE WITH SOME CHANGES IN THE TEXAS LAW THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO SOME PARTNERSHIPS WITH OUR PARTNERS OFFER AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SOME OUTSIDE THE CITY OF GARLAND.

BUT OUR COMMITMENT IS THAT 80 DOLLARS THAT THE EARNED OUTSIDE THE CITY OF GARLAND ARE ALL SPENT BACK WITH THE CITY OF GARLAND [INAUDIBLE] WITH THE CITY WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WITH OUR NONPROFITS.

WE'RE DOING NEIGHBORHOOD GRANTS NOW AND AGAIN.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TAKE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY'S PLACE, BUT WE'RE GIVING GRANTS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY CAN'T GIVE.

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WE WOULD GIVE GRANTS FOR OPERATING EXPENSES.

WE WILL GIVE GRANTS FOR LANDSCAPING AND THINGS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY [INAUDIBLE].

SO IF MR. NEIGHBOR CAN SCRIBE SOMETHING INTO THE AGREEMENT THAT SAYS, I DON'T WANT TO SAY TO YOU, SIR, THAT I'LL AGREE THAT THE TIMES DON'T CHANGE AND WE MIGHT NEED TO SELL AT SOME POINT.

BUT I'M HAPPY TO COME BACK BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND TELL THEM OR GET APPROVED OR WHATEVER FOR THAT.

BUT WE DO NOT ENVISION MULTIFAMILY THERE AGAIN, WE ENVISION SINGLE FAMILY COTTAGES IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT.

WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT MAYBE IN A COOPERATIVE OR CONDOMINIUM TYPE OWNERSHIP SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BUILDING SET BACK LINES AND OTHER THINGS WHERE WE CAN DO SOME SMALLER UNITS.

BASICALLY LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IS SOMETHING IN THE 12 TO 14 HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT RANGE, TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH THAT IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR SENIORS AND WOULD BE RESTRICTED.

SO AS YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN I TEND TO ROVE IN MY COMMENTS AND I WE HAVE GOTTEN OFF THE SUBJECT AND FORGOTTEN SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, BUT I'M CERTAINLY HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AND TRULY, I'M NOT TRYING TO TAKE COUNCIL TIME OR NOT OR TRYING TO TELL YOU THE STORY I WANT TO TELL YOU LATER ON.

I CAN I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT BEING THERE.

I THINK I CAN SPEND ABOUT HALF HOUR TO AN HOUR AS MS. WOODARD CAN ATTEST TELLING YOU ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD ABOUT EXCITEMENT WITH THE GHFC.

BUT THAT BEING SAID, I CAN CERTAINLY ATTEMPT TO ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. GIBBONS.

I COULD TELL YOU THAT SUMMER THE DOG VERY MUCH APPRECIATES YOUR COMMENTS JUST BEFORE YOU FINISHED SHE LET ME KNOW.

[LAUGHTER] NO, AND DON'T GET ME WRONG, I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH YOUR WORK.

I'M VERY GLAD THAT YOU WERE AT GHFC.

AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR.

I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THE UPDATE ON THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING.

AND I'M GLAD TO SEE GHFC BEING POINTED IN THE DIRECTION OF BEING A MORE ACTIVE PARTNER IN THE COMMUNITY.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING IN THE AGREEMENT.

AND THIS IS NO AND THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WITH YOUR LEADERSHIP OR THE CURRENT LEADERSHIP OF GHFC BUT WITH JUST OUR PAST EXPERIENCE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING IN THE AGREEMENT THAT THAT ENSURES THAT THE CITY AND IF IT KICKS IN SOME AMOUNT OF MONEY HERE OR THIS TWO HUNDRED ELEVEN THOUSAND THAT WE STILL HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE, GOING FORWARD WITH WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS PROPERTY.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT TO DOUBT YOUR WORDS AT ALL, BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO HAVE THAT WRITTEN DOWN SOMEWHERE, MEMORIALIZED AS I WILL NOT BE HERE WHEN THAT TIME COMES TO PASS.

I MEAN, I'M NOT GOING TO BE DEAD OR ANYTHING, BUT I WILL COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN, OH GO AHEAD, SIR.

MR. MAYOR, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

I WILL TELL YOU, AND THE COUNCIL IS THE LONG TERM SUCCESS OF THIS PROJECT TRULY DEPENDS UPON THIS PARTNERSHIP WORKING TOGETHER, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT JUST THE ONLY PARTNERSHIP IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, SIR, THAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE CITY.

WE BELIEVE THAT MS. WOODARD'S ACCESS TO MARKETING, TO THE SALES, TO THE FINANCING, TO THE MORTGAGES, ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF.

AND THEN WE HAVE A MORTGAGE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO JOIN WITH HER TO HELP PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO ACQUIRE THESE.

SO WE SEE THIS AS NOT JUST A ONE TIME EXPENDITURE FROM THE CITY BUT WE SEE THIS AS A LONG TERM RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY BEING INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN THE LONG TERM DEVELOPMENT.

NOW WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE GP&L BE INVOLVED.

WE WOULD LIKE TO IN FACT, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS BE A PROJECT.

AND NOBODY ELSE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS IS [INAUDIBLE] IF WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER IN A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO OUR SENIORS WHO WE KNOW NEED IT SO VERY DESPERATELY IN OUR CITY.

SO I'LL SHUT UP AND LET YOU ALL GO ON WITH THIS.

THANK YOU, SIR.HESTER HAS JOINED US.

IF YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS THE KINGSLEY PARK QUESTION OR DO YOU WANT TO [INAUDIBLE] MR. HESSER YEAH, MIGHT AS WELL.

JUST SO WE TRY TO TIE THIS UP BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.

MR. HESSER.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD ANY OF THAT MR. HESSER, THAT WAS EARLIER FOR IF YOUR EARS WERE BURNING.

NO, SIR.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT CDGB FUNDS AND WE'VE HAD SOME SOME FUNDS COME BACK TO THE CITY.

AND THE COMMENTARY THAT I HAD MADE WAS THAT THAT I KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING

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FOR CDGB FUNDS TO PUT TOWARDS KINGSLEY PARK TO COMPLETE.

WE HAVE MONEY OR AT LEAST SOME OF THE MONEY FOR FUTSAL COURT.

AND WE HAD SEEN SOME DRAWINGS AND OTHER STUFF FOR SOME OTHER PARTS OF THE IMPROVEMENT THERE.

I THINK WE ALSO HAVE PLAYGROUND MONEY THERE.

BUT I WANTED TO SEE WHERE WE WERE AND GET FROM A CDBG PERSPECTIVE AND COST PERSPECTIVE HOW MUCH WE'RE SHORT.

SO THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO HAVE TWO FUTSAL COURTS CONSTRUCTED, AS YOU RECALL, ONE AT WATSON AND ONE AT KINGSLEY ONCE WE STARTED RESEARCHING WHAT THAT CONSTRUCTION LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THE PRODUCTS WERE AND PROCESSES AVAILABLE.

IT TURNS OUT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH FUNDING.

I THINK IT WAS ORIGINALLY TWO HUNDRED EIGHTY FOUR THOUSAND FOR TWO COURTS.

IT'S GOING TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY LESS TO DO OR SUBSTANTIALLY MORE TO DO TWO COURTS.

SO ONCE ALL THE PRICING AND DESIGN IS DONE WITH WATSON, WE'LL HAVE A BETTER FEEL FOR WHAT'S AVAILABLE.

BUT IT'S LIKELY THAT IT'LL NEED ANOTHER PROBABLY TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND TO DO THE FUTSAL COURT ONLY AT KINGSLEY ONCE THE ONE IN WATSON IS DONE JUST TO DO THE COST OF ALL THE SLAB AND STEEL AND EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

SO THERE WAS THERE WERE SOME CONCEPT DESIGNS DONE FOR KINGSLEY, BUT THERE WASN'T ANY FUNDING FOR ADDITIONAL PARK AMENITIES FOR KINGSLEY IT WAS JUST FUTSAL THROUGH CDBG FUNDS .

OKAY.

THANK YOU, MR. HESSER.

THANK YOU MR. HESSER AND LET'S SEE, WE HAVE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MORRIS.

I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK QUICKLY AND MR. GIBBONS ACTUALLY STOLE I HAD WRITTEN DOWN A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN AND THEN HE JUST STOLE IT BY SAYING IT.

BUT THAT IS TRUE AND.

MR. GIBBONS HAS ACTUALLY SHARED SOME OF THE STORIES HE WILL BE SHARING.

I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.

I FULLY SUPPORT THIS USE OF THE FUNDS FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE OLD CASTLE MANOR.

THAT WAS THE FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD I LIVED IN THIRTY SIX YEARS AGO WHEN WE MOVED TO GARLAND.

AND THAT HAS BEEN A BLIGHT AND AN EYESORE AND A CONGREGATING PLACE FOR PEOPLE.

IT NEEDS TO COME DOWN.

IT NEEDS TO BE CLEARED.

AND THIS PROJECT WITH THE SENIOR COTTAGES IS ONE I ALSO FULLY SUPPORT.

SO THAT'S ALL.

BUT I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS AND IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH TO MY DISTRICT'S NORTHERN BORDER THAT A LOT OF MY PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN MY DISTRICT ARE REALLY, REALLY HAPPY THAT GHFC BOUGHT IT AND THEY ARE REALLY ANXIOUS TO SEE IT LEVELED.

AND AGAIN, THANK YOU, MR. HESSER, AND THANK YOU, MR. GIBBONS, FOR BEING ON WITH US TONIGHT TO ROUND UP SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS.

WE WILL MOVE ON NOW TO ITEM THREE C EASEMENTS RELATED TO HIDDEN LANDFILL GAS TO ENERGY PROJECT.

ITEM THREE D 2020-2021, BUDGET AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE.

AND ITEM THREE E ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES COMMITTEE PENDING ITEMS REPORTS.

COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I'LL BE BRIEF.

WE FELT THAT THE BEST WAY TO ROLL THIS OUT BACK TO THE COUNCIL WAS TO GO AHEAD AND FILL IN THE BLANKS OF THE TEMPLATE THAT WE CREATED WITH THE THINGS THAT ARE ONGOING WITH ADMIN SERVICES RIGHT NOW THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET THIS WEEK.

WE'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE OFFLINE FEEDBACK IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR ANY CHANGES.

OTHERWISE, WE'D LIKE FOR STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND JUST PUT THIS INTO EACH WORK SESSION PACKET.

I THINK EVERYBODY'S ON BOARD WITH THAT.

I DON'T SEE ANY I DON'T SEE ANY HEADS MOVING IN A NEGATIVE DIRECTION.

SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

NEXT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR VERBAL BRIEFINGS.

AND JUST REAL QUICK, COUNCIL.

TONIGHT, WE ARE PULLING ITEM FOUR E.

THAT IS CONSIDERATION OF THE FALL 2020 NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY GRANT APPLICATION.

THE TRAILS RECREATION CLUB IN DISTRICT FOUR THAT ITEM IS BEING PULLED FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION IT WAS NOT READY TO PRESENT TONIGHT.

SO ITEM 4A DART PRESENTATION ON THE REDESIGN OF THE BUS NETWORK, AND I KNOW WE HAVE.

[4A. DART Presentation on the Redesign of the Bus Network]

I KNOW WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OUR DART REPRESENTATIVES IN THE QUEUE, AND CARMA, I BELIEVE, WE'LL MOVE THEM, OVER AND GET THEM READY.

AND I SEE, MR.

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SMITH.

SO WHOEVER'S MAKING THE PRESENTATION, THE FLOOR IS YOURS, IT'LL BE ME.

MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US TO TALK ABOUT OUR WORK ON THE BUS NETWORK REDESIGN.

AND I'LL TRY AND BRING UP THE PRESENTATION.

AND HOPEFULLY THIS WORKS.

AND ARE YOU ALL SEEING A PRESENTATION RIGHT NOW? YES, SIR.

OK, I'LL GET STARTED.

WE'VE STARTED NOW PUBLIC REVIEW OF THE DRAFT FINAL BUS NETWORK PLAN AND ASSOCIATED SERVICE CHANGE PROPOSALS FOR JANUARY OF 2022.

BOTH ARE THE RESULT OF THE BUS NETWORK REDESIGN PROCESS THAT STARTED IN 2019.

AND THIS PRESENTATION WILL HIGHLIGHT SOME KEY ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN AND PROPOSED CHANGES WITH A GARLAND FOCUS.

MR. SMITH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST ME, BUT I'M ONLY SEEING HALF OF YOUR SLIDE.

IS THAT.

IT'S IT'S LIKE IT JUSTIFIED OVER TO THE TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN.

I'LL GO BACK TO THIS WAY, IS THAT WORKING BETTER? NO, SIR, I'M STILL JUST SEEING I'M STILL JUST SEEING HALF THE [INAUDIBLE].

DID THAT WORK? NOW WE'RE BACK TO THE FULL SCREEN, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT IN THE PRESENTATION MODE, NOW IT IS.

THERE WE GO.

DOES THAT WORK BETTER? THERE WE GO.

I'LL JUST BE LOOKING IN TWO DIRECTIONS.

THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S ON MY OTHER SCREEN.

AND SO WE'LL HIGHLIGHT THIS.

THE CURRENT DRAFT BUS NETWORK WITH GOLINK ZONES.

I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF SLIDES THAT WILL FOLLOW THAT WILL SHOW IT.

IT'S REALLY DESIGNED TO IMPROVE SERVICE IN TERMS OF FREQUENCY AND HOURS WITH AREAS IN THE HIGHEST RIDERSHIP POTENTIAL WHILE ADDING GOLINK COVERAGE IN AREAS WHERE DEMAND FOR SERVICE IS THE LIGHTEST.

FIXED ROUTES ARE GENERALLY MORE WIDELY SPACED WITH THE RIDERSHIP ORIENTED DESIGN.

THAT MEANS SOME OF THEM, NOT ALL OF THEM, ARE FARTHER APART IN THEIR SPACING AND MORE ROUTES OFFER FREQUENT SERVICE WITH LONGER OPERATING HOURS.

AND I'LL GO THROUGH WHAT THAT MEANS DURING THE PRESENTATION AND IT INCLUDES WEEKENDS.

MANY NEW GOLINK ZONES, 13 OF THEM, AS A MATTER OF FACT, ARE PROPOSED TO MAINTAIN SERVICE COVERAGE.

AND MANY OF THE GOLINK ZONES WILL HAVE WEEKEND SERVICE, WHICH IS SOMETHING NEW.

THIS IS THE NETWORK AND IT'S YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE DETAILS.

BUT I'VE GOT A GARLAND SLIDE THAT WILL FOLLOW IN A MINUTE.

AND IN ALL OF THE MAPS AND THE MATERIALS THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER, WHEN YOU SEE MAPS OF THE ROUTES, THE COLORS REPRESENT FREQUENCY AND USUALLY THE FREQUENCY DURING THE WEEKDAY, MIDDAY BETWEEN 9:00 A.M.

AND 3:00 P.M.

AND THE COLORS WILL GENERALLY TELL THE STORY OF EACH ROUTE.

A RED WOULD BE A 15 MINUTE SERVICE ROUTE.

PURPLE WOULD BE 20, BLUE WOULD BE 30, AND THE LIGHTER BLUE WOULD BE 40 OR 60, DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

AND YOU SEE, EVEN ON THIS MAP, THE RAIL LINES ARE COLORED BY FREQUENCY RATHER THAN BY THE TRADITIONAL COLORS THAT WE USE.

THE YELLOW THAT YOU SEE ON THIS MAP ARE THE GOLINK ZONES TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING IS GREATLY SIMPLIFYING THE WAY THAT FIXED ROUTE BUSSES WOULD BE SCHEDULED BY PUTTING ALL OF THE LOCAL ROUTES INTO ONE OF FIVE CATEGORIES.

THE RED ROUTES WOULD BE THE ROUTES RUNNING MOST FREQUENTLY, RUNNING EVERY 15 MINUTES, MOST OF THE DAY ON WEEKDAYS, NEVER LESS THAN ANY 30 MINUTES.

THE PURPLE ROUTES WOULD BE THE ROUTES THAT HAVE RAIL LIKE FREQUENCY'S 15 MINUTES IN THE PEAK, 20 MINUTES MIDDAY, NEVER LESS THAN 30 MINUTES.

AND INCIDENTALLY, PART OF THIS PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO RESTORE RAIL SERVICE TO PRE PANDEMIC LEVELS.

SO A 15 MINUTE PEAK SERVICE AND MORE FREQUENT SERVICE IN THE EVENING WOULD BE A PART OF THAT.

THE RED AND PURPLE ROUTES ARE WHAT WE CALL CORE FREQUENT ROUTES THEY'RE ARE THE MOST FREQUENT ROUTES IN THE SYSTEM, GENERALLY THE HIGHEST RIDERSHIP ROUTES.

THEY OPERATE FROM FOUR A.M.

TO ONE A.M.

THE BLUE DARKER BLUE ROUTES ARE THE 15 MINUTE OR 30 MINUTE ROUTES, THE LIGHT BLUE ROUTES, 30 MINUTE PEAK, 40 MINUTE MIDDAY.

THE PALE BLUE ROUTES ARE 30 MINUTE AND 60 MINUTE.

GENERALLY, ONE BIG CHANGE.

ALL ROUTES WILL RUN AT LEAST FROM FIVE A.M.

TO MIDNIGHT, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

THAT IS A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FROM THE APPROACH DART HAS TRADITIONALLY USED.

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SO ALL ROUTES WOULD BE AVAILABLE, LOCAL ROUTES FOR FULL SERVICE.

THIS MAP SHOWS THE GARLAND ROUTES SPECIFICALLY AND A FEW HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS MAP.

MANY OF THE GARLAND ROUTES OPERATE ON 30 MINUTE PEAK, 40 MINUTE MIDDAY FREQUENCY.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM 60 MINUTE FREQUENCY.

SO I'LL SHOW YOU IN A MOMENT HOW MUCH WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THAT.

SO WE'VE IMPROVED A LOT OF THE OFF PEAK FREQUENCIES.

WE'RE EXPANDING SERVICE CONNECTIONS AT SOUTH GARLAND TRANSIT CENTER, A NUMBER OF FREQUENT ROUTES CONNECTING AT THAT LOCATION.

THE SOUTHEAST GARLAND GOLINK ACTUALLY STARTED IN OCTOBER, BUT WE'RE EXPANDING THE SERVICE A LITTLE BIT AND ADDING SATURDAY SERVICE TO THAT SOUTHEAST GARLAND ZONE.

THERE'S NOT BEEN SATURDAY SERVICE IN THAT AREA, AT LEAST IN THE NEARLY 15 YEARS I'VE BEEN AT DART AND ALSO ADDED SOME GOLINK ON THE FAR NORTHERN EDGES OF GARLAND AS WELL, A CONTINUATION OF ONE OF THE RICHARDSON AND PLANO ZONES.

A NUMBER OF EXPRESS TRIPS TO LAKE RAY HUBBARD CONTINUE ON BROADWAY WITHOUT PASSENGERS HAVING TO TRANSFER.

SO THE BUSSES WILL RUN ON BROADWAY AND THEN DIRECTLY ONTO THE FREEWAY.

AND SOME OF THE ROUTES THAT GO WEST TO RICHARDSON WILL GO TO SOME NEW DESTINATIONS, SUCH AS CITY LINE.

SO THERE ARE SOME CHANGES IN THE WAY THOSE ROUTES ARE ORGANIZED TO PROVIDE BETTER CONNECTIONS ON THE OTHER END TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF DESTINATIONS THAT PEOPLE HAVE GENERALLY GONE.

WE'VE TRIED TO MAINTAIN COVERAGE IN GARLAND GENERALLY MOST OF THE SEGMENTS THAT HAD SERVICE HAVE SERVICE, AND WE'VE ADDED A FEW, SUCH AS THE NORTHERN PART OF SHILOH GOING UP INTO PLANO.

AND PARTS OF RICHARDSON IS A CONNECTION THAT WE'VE NOT HAD PREVIOUSLY.

AND FIREWHEEL, SOME NORTH GARLAND DESTINATIONS, THEY BECOME PART OF ONE ROUTE THAT CONNECTS ON BOTH ENDS TO VARIOUS OTHER ROUTES RATHER THAN JUST DEAD ENDING AT THOSE LOCATIONS.

SO CHANGES IN THE WAY THOSE ROUTES ARE STRUCTURED FOR GARLAND.

AS FAR AS THE GOLINK SERVICE, THE BIGGEST QUESTION WE'VE GOTTEN SO FAR IS DOES IT REQUIRE AN EXTRA FARE? AND THE ANSWER IS NO.

IT'S A REGULAR LOCAL FARE.

YOU CAN USE PASSES TO TAKE GOLINK, CONNECT TO OTHER ROUTES, GET TO DESTINATIONS THROUGHOUT THE SERVICE AREA.

UBER POOL IS AVAILABLE IN ALL OF THE GOLINK ZONES AND YOU CAN BOOK A TRIP EITHER WITH THE GOPASS APP OR WHICH ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE CUSTOMERS DO, OR CALL A NUMBER AND MAKE RESERVATIONS AND ABOUT A THIRD OF THE CUSTOMERS CHOOSE TO DO IT BY REGULAR LANDLINE TELEPHONES.

THE SERVICE FREQUENCY CHANGES.

THERE ARE MANY CHANGES, AND ESPECIALLY DURING OFF PEAK PERIODS, THE CHART ON THE RIGHT COMPARES WHERE WE WERE BEFORE THE PANDEMIC IN JANUARY 2020 AND THE NEW NETWORK BY THE IMPACT OF MIDDAY FREQUENCIES FOR 15 MINUTE OR BETTER SERVICE, WE GO FROM ONE PERCENT OF THE ROUTES TO 4 PERCENT.

20 MINUTE OR BETTER FROM 9 PERCENT TO 30 PERCENT.

30 MINUTES OR BETTER, FROM 22 TO 40 PERCENT AND 40 MINUTES OR BETTER, FROM 40 TO 84 PERCENT.

THE BIG DIFFERENCE IS WE DON'T HAVE NEARLY AS MANY ROUTES THAT RUN 60 MINUTES OFF PEAK.

THERE ARE 22 CORE FREQUENT ROUTES IN THE DRAFT NETWORK COMPARED TO SEVEN RIGHT NOW, ONE NEW ONE IN GARLAND, SEVERAL EXTENDED TO THE SOUTH GARLAND TRANSIT CENTER.

AND THOSE ARE ROUTES THAT HAVE RAIL LIKE FREQUENCY'S.

THEY RUN FOUR A.M.

TO ONE A.M.

MANY OTHER ROUTES ARE IMPROVED FROM THEIR CURRENT 60 MINUTE OFF-PEAK SERVICE.

THESE TWO MAPS REALLY COMPARE BEFORE AND AFTER WITH THE BEFORE BEING BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.

AND YOU CAN REALLY SEE THE DIFFERENCES.

THE OLD IS ON THE LEFT.

THE NEW IS ON THE RIGHT.

THIS IS WEEKDAY, MIDDAY.

YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF MORE RED, WHICH IS THE 15 MINUTE SERVICE AND ESPECIALLY A LOT MORE PURPLE, WHICH IS THE 20 MINUTE SERVICE.

AND YOU CAN REALLY SEE IN THOSE SORT OF.

PINKISH GOLD COLORS, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE THAT, THE ADDED GOLINK ZONES THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED SINCE JANUARY OF 2020, INCLUDING THE SOUTHEAST GARLAND ZONE, WHICH IS VERY NEW.

BUT THE BIGGER CHANGES ARE ON WEEKENDS WHERE YOU SEE THE SAME 15 MINUTE ROUTES AND THE SAME 20 MINUTE ROUTES BECAUSE ROUTES WE'VE KEPT THE MIDDAY FREQUENCIES THE

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SAME SEVEN DAYS A WEEK AND YOU CAN SEE THE GOLINK ZONES THAT YOU DON'T SEE ON THE MAP ON THE LEFT BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING WEEKEND SERVICE ON A NUMBER OF THE GOLINK ZONES.

SPECIFICALLY, ALL 72 LOCAL ROUTES WOULD HAVE BOTH SATURDAY AND SUNDAY SERVICE.

RIGHT NOW, ABOUT A QUARTER OF THE ROUTES DON'T HAVE.

ANY WEEKEND SERVICE AT ALL AND NEARLY A THIRD OF THE ROUTES DON'T HAVE SUNDAY SERVICE, THE EXPRESS ROUTES WOULD CONTINUE TO BE WEEKDAY ONLY, BUT LOCAL ROUTES RUN SEVEN DAYS A WEEK FOR THE FULL HOURS, 13 GOLINK ZONES WOULD HAVE SATURDAY SERVICE, SIX ZONES WOULD HAVE SUNDAY SERVICE.

RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT ONE.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS TO ANALYZE THE RESULTS, TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE LOOK IN TERMS OF ACCESS FOR RESIDENTS, ACCESS FOR JOBS AND PEOPLE, THAT IT IS AT LEAST THE SAME OR IDEALLY IMPROVED.

OVERALL, ALMOST THREE QUARTERS OF SERVICE AREA RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE SERVICE WITHIN A HALF MILE WALK WEEKDAY MIDDAY.

THAT COMPARES TO A LITTLE OVER TWO THIRDS.

RIGHT NOW, 70 PERCENT OF JOBS HAVE ARE WITHIN A QUARTER MILE, AND THAT COMPARES TO 66 PERCENT FOR THE EXISTING NETWORK.

AND THERE'S A LOT MORE DETAIL ABOUT THAT IN SOME OF THE REPORTS THAT WE HAVE PLACED ON THE WEBSITE.

I WON'T GO INTO A LOT OF THAT DETAIL HERE, BUT YOU CAN READ THAT OFFLINE.

THIS IS A PROCESS I MENTIONED THAT STARTED IN OCTOBER 2019.

TODD PLESKO HAD GIVEN UPDATES TO THE COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY ON WHAT WE WERE DOING.

WE'RE NOW AT THE POINT WHERE WE'RE GETTING PUBLIC INVOLVED IN REVIEWING THE DRAFT PLAN AND THE SERVICE CHANGE PROPOSALS THAT WILL CONTINUE THROUGH APRIL, THROUGH MAY AND PART OF JUNE, A PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 8TH.

OUR GOAL THEN IS TO TAKE ALL THE PUBLIC INPUT INTO ACCOUNT, LOOK AT ANY ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE TO THE PROPOSALS AND COME BACK TO THE BOARD IN AUGUST WITH A PROPOSAL FOR APPROVAL OF BOTH THE NETWORK PLAN AND THE SERVICE CHANGES THAT GO ALONG WITH IT.

OUR PLANNED IMPLEMENTATION DATE FOR ALL OF THIS IS MONDAY, JANUARY 24TH, 2022.

THERE IS A LOT MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT I'M PRESENTING AT OUR PROJECT WEBSITE, WHICH IS DARTZOOM.ORG.

THAT INCLUDES INTERACTIVE MAPS WHERE YOU CAN DO ANALYSIS BASED ON WHERE YOU LIVE OR WHERE YOU WORK AND YOU CAN MAKE YOUR OWN MAPS.

AND THAT'S AVAILABLE A DRAFT REPORT ABOUT TWENTY THREE PAGES THAT SUMMARIZES THE PLAN AND SHOWS SOME OF THE ANALYSIS AND A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.

WE'VE ALSO GOT A SURVEY THAT WE WOULD LOVE CUSTOMERS, NON CUSTOMERS ALIKE, TO FILL OUT 13 QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR REACTION TO THE PLAN AND THE CHANGES THAT YOU SEE.

AND WE ALSO HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING BROCHURE THAT'S AVAILABLE AT THE WEBSITE.

I'VE INCLUDED THE LINK HERE AND OUR GARLAND VIRTUAL PUBLIC MEETING IT'LL BE ON MICROSOFT TEAMS IS MONDAY, MAY 24TH AT NOON.

THERE ARE OTHER MEETINGS THROUGHOUT APRIL, MAY AND EARLY JUNE, AND PEOPLE ARE ENCOURAGED TO ATTEND ANY ONE THEY CAN.

THE TIMES AND THE PLACES THAT ARE THEMED ARE IN THAT PUBLIC MEETING BROCHURE.

AND TO CONTACT US DIRECTLY WITH COMMENTS, WITH QUESTIONS, WITH CONCERNS, PEOPLE CAN EMAIL OUR STAFF AT S ERVICEPLANNING@DART.ORG WE WILL HAVE ONE OF OUR PLANNING STAFF ANSWER THOSE INQUIRIES.

AND IN SOME CASES, WE'RE GETTING IN TOUCH WITH PEOPLE BY PHONE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERN AND EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON TO SEE IF WE CAN ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE CHANGES.

AND SO THAT IS WHAT I HAD TO PRESENT.

WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AND THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU TONIGHT.

VERY GOOD, SIR.

IF YOU COULD UNSHARE YOUR SCREEN FOR ME.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

THANK YOU MR. SMITH FOR THE BRIEFING.

JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.

WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE EXPANSION OF SERVICES AT THE LAKE RAY HUBBARD STATIONS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUS SERVICE, CORRECT? YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FACILITY ITSELF, CORRECT.

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IT IS THE SERVICE AND NOT THE FACILITIES.

THAT'S CORRECT.

OK, SO THE ACCESS TO THE FACILITY WILL REMAIN THE SAME.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, OK.

MY SECOND QUESTION IS ON YOUR PUBLIC MEETING THE SCHEDULE.

IN ADDITION TO THE INFORMATION THAT YOU SHOWED ON THE SCREEN, WE STILL HAVE A CHALLENGING DIGITAL DIVIDE FOR A LOT OF YOUR RIDERS.

IS THERE ANY WAY, PERHAPS THAT DART WILL SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH, LET'S SAY, THE GARLAND OUR LIBRARY SYSTEM HAVE PAMPHLETS AND INFORMATION AVAILABLE SO THAT SO MANY OF YOUR RIDERS CAN ACCESS INFORMATION ABOUT HIS PROPOSED CHANGE, THE ROUTE CHANGES AND ONE OF YOUR PUBLIC MEETINGS OR [INAUDIBLE] AND IF YOU COULD PERHAPS PARTNER WITH US AND USE OUR LIBRARY AND OUR REC CENTER NETWORKS TO ENSURE THAT THAT YOUR RIDERS KNOW ABOUT THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS.

AND PART B TO THAT I NOTICED YOUR FIRST ONE, IS AT NOON.

WELL, FOR WORKING PEOPLE, THAT'S NOT A VERY GOOD TIME.

SO DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF PROJECTION OF WHEN THE OTHER PUBLIC MEETINGS MAY BE JUST BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE.

I'VE GONE TO A NUMBER BASED ON DIFFERENT CHANGES AT DIFFERENT TIMES, WITH DART AT VARIOUS MEETINGS EVENINGS AND NIGHT.

AND I'VE FOUND THAT EVENING MEETINGS OR AFTERNOON ARE USUALLY BETTER ATTENDED, PARTICULARLY FOR RIDERS.

YOUR RIDERS WITH DISABILITIES, WHO USE PARATRANSIT SERVICES, AND FOR OTHER REASONS FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY REASONS, YOU KNOW, ARE NOT COMFORTABLE GETTING OUT LATE AT NIGHT.

SO CAN YOU SPEAK TO THOSE, YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS THAT POSSIBLY YOU ALL CAN DO.

YES.

TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PEOPLE HAVE THE INFORMATION.

AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

OBVIOUSLY, WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO BE MEETING WITH PEOPLE IN PERSON, AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT THIS ROUND, OR AT LEAST NOT ON AN ORGANIZED SCALE, BUT IN TERMS OF GETTING BROCHURES TO THE LIBRARY SYSTEM.

I'LL WORK WITH OUR STAFF TO TRY AND GET THAT DONE.

I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD IDEA.

AND WE ARE TRYING TO GET PAPER BROCHURES OUT TO PEOPLE AND NOT JUST THE ELECTRONIC INFORMATION FOR THE VERY REASON THAT YOU MENTIONED.

AS FAR AS THE MEETINGS.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE LEARNED DURING THE PANDEMIC IS WE'RE GETTING ACTUALLY BETTER ATTENDANCE AT THE NOON MEETINGS, BUT WE HAVE MIXED UP 6:30 AND NOON MEETINGS.

SO IF YOU GO TO THE FULL LIST, YOU WILL FIND THAT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF EVENING OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL.

WE'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T MAKE IT TO A NOON MEETING TO COME TO ONE OF THE 6:30 MEETINGS, EVEN IF IT'S NOT FOR THE AREA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

MOST OF OUR STAFF ARE AT THOSE MEETINGS AND WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS THEY COME UP.

THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, AND COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS KIND OF HAD A SEGUE INTO ONE OF MINE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS AROUND THE NOTIFICATION TO YOUR RIDERS AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, FOR YOUR CONSISTENT RIDERS, YOU PROBABLY HAVE THAT INFORMATION ON HOW TO CONTACT THEM.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCNEAL.

CORRECT.

SO WHAT ADDITIONAL OUTREACH ARE YOU DOING TO NOTIFY YOUR LARGER COMMUNITY THAT YOU MAY BE TRYING TO REACH? WE IT'S A MIX OF THINGS AND WE KEEP BUILDING ON IT AS WE'RE SEEING MORE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.

OF COURSE, WE'VE DONE ELECTRONIC BLASTS TO PEOPLE THAT ARE PART OF THE DART LISTS.

WE'VE GOT BROCHURES GOING OUT ONTO BUSSES AND TRAINS.

WE ARE WORKING WITH STAKEHOLDERS, INFLUENCERS AND VARIOUS OTHER PEOPLE TO GET THE WORD OUT TO COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE SERVICE AREA THAT THE CHANGES ARE COMING AND TO TELL PEOPLE WHERE THEY CAN GO TO GET MORE INFORMATION.

WE'LL HAVE SOME DIFFERENT EVENTS, LIKE A FACEBOOK LIVE EVENT FOR PEOPLE WHO PARTICIPATE THAT WAY ON APRIL 29TH.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIND AS MANY DIFFERENT WAYS AS WE CAN IN A VERY CHALLENGING TIME TO REACH OUT TO BOTH RIDERS AND POTENTIALLY NON RIDERS ALIKE.

AND MAY I SUGGEST THAT YOU MAY WANT TO PARTNER REACH OUT TO SOME OF THE CITY SERVICES, THEY MAY HAVE SOME HOA'S OR SOME OTHER AVENUES THAT THEY MAY WANT TO PUSH THINGS OUT ON SOME OTHER MEDIA THAT THE CITY MAY HAVE.

SO DEFINITELY, IF YOU WOULD JUST YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THAT.

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AND SECONDLY, ON YOUR SCHEDULE, YOU MENTIONED SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

HOLIDAYS CAN SPEAK TO WHAT MAY BE OCCURRING ON HOLIDAYS.

FOR US SEVEN DAYS A WEEK IS THREE HUNDRED AND SIXTY FIVE DAYS A YEAR.

WE OPERATE EVERY DAY.

AND SO THE WEEKEND SERVICE WOULD APPLY ON A NORMAL HOLIDAY.

WE CAN SERVICE ON A HOLIDAY.

HEY, MR. MAYOR, IF I COULD JUMP IN HERE JUST A SECOND TOO JUST TO.

I WAS JUST ABOUT TO OPEN IT UP TO YOU, SIR.

IF YOU GUYS NEED A RESOURCE, YOU HAVE THE DARTZOOM.ORG AS A WEB SITE WITH A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE CHANGES THAT ARE COMING.

I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN IT.

BUT I ALWAYS PUT MYSELF OUT HERE, TOO.

IF YOU GUYS NEED A DIRECT RESOURCE AND YOU WANT TO CALL ME, YOU HAVE MY CONTACT INFORMATION.

AND OF COURSE, WHENEVER I DO MY DART BRIEFINGS, I ALWAYS MENTION THAT IF ANYONE IS DOING A DISTRICT LEVEL UPDATE FOR THEIR CONSTITUENTS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR ME TO ATTEND SOMETHING LIKE THAT, GIVE A BRIEFING ON DART OR UPDATES ON ALL THE DIFFERENT CHANGES THAT ARE OUT THERE.

I'M ALWAYS HAPPY TO DO THAT, TOO.

SO I KNOW MR. [INAUDIBLE] IS ON THE LINE HERE, TOO.

I'M SURE HE'D WELCOME TO DO THE SAME.

SO, MR. KELLY, BEING OUR APPOINTEE TO THE DART BOARD AND MR. [INAUDIBLE] BEING OUR SHARED APPOINTEE, BUT STILL JUST AS VALUABLE.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD SIR.

AND NO, SIR, I THINK IT'S IT'S BEEN SAID I JUST APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR GIVE ASSISTANCE, JUST AS MR. KELLY.

AND COUNCIL, I'M GOING TO RECOGNIZE ANOTHER SPEAKER.

OK, VERY GOOD.

HE HAS PUT HIS HAND UP COMES UP ON THE SCREEN AS OWNER, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY MR. DAVE BRADY.

MR. BRADY I HAVE UNMUTED THE LINE ON OUR END IF YOU CAN UNMUTE YOURSELF.

IF YOU HAD ANYTHING TO ADD.

CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME OKAY.

I HAVE BEEN GETTING CONNECTED EARLIER AT THE START OF THE MEETING.

GO AHEAD.

MY APOLOGIES.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

MR. SMITH HAS COVERED THOROUGHLY ALL OF THE INFORMATION FOR THESE PROPOSED CHANGES THAT ARE COMING FORTH.

[INAUDIBLE] WHAT I WANTED TO ENCOURAGE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO DO.

MR. BRADY, CAN YOU SPEAK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT FOR US, PLEASE? PARDON.

CAN YOU SPEAK UP FOR US JUST A LITTLE BIT.

ALRIGHT IS THAT BETTER? MARGINALLY, BUT GO AHEAD.

OK, I WAS WANTING TO ENCOURAGE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO PARTICIPATE IN THE SURVEY AND [INAUDIBLE] ALL OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS TO BE INVOLVED IN THE SURVEY [INAUDIBLE].

WE NEED TO [INAUDIBLE] GARLAND BUS USERS [INAUDIBLE] HAVE WORKED HARD ON TRYING TO HELP MAINTAIN GARLAND'S PARTICIPATION [INAUDIBLE].

THIS IS A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BIGGEST BUS CHANGE THAT'S EVER BEEN MADE IN DART SYSTEM.

AND WE CAN MAKE IT GOOD FOR GARLAND WITH FULL PARTICIPATION.

ALL RIGHT, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THE DART PRESENTATION? COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN.

MR. SMITH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY HOW MUCH OF IT AND ALSO TO MR. KELLY AND MR. [INAUDIBLE], HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE DART'S WORK ON THIS, THIS HAS BEEN AN INCREDIBLE UNDERTAKING AND SEEING, YOU KNOW, AS THE CHAIR OF THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE FOR THE CITY AND THE CITY'S RTC REP, WHO HAD SOME LEVEL OF LEAST INVOLVEMENT IN SOME OF THE INITIAL DISCUSSIONS HERE.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY HOW Y'ALL MANAGED TO FIND WHAT I CONSIDER SOMETHING OF THE SWEET SPOT BETWEEN THESE, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE FREQUENCY AND THE COVERAGE IS PRETTY AMAZING BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK, I'M NOT SURE I EVER BELIEVED IT WAS REALLY POSSIBLE TO GET TO THAT POINT WHERE I WOULDN'T SIT HERE AND GO, MAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY LIKE THAT TRADEOFF.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE PUT TOGETHER, I DO INTEND TO LOOK AT IT IN A LOT MORE DEPTH.

I THINK YOU ALL DID AN AMAZING JOB OF FINDING THAT SWEET SPOT THAT WILL BENEFIT GARLAND.

I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE METRICS THAT YOU SHOWED US TONIGHT, THEY ALL EVEN IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST BY A FEW PERCENTAGE POINTS, THEY ALL SHOW IMPROVEMENT AND THE

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INCREASE IN FREQUENCY, I THINK, IS GOING TO BE HUGELY BENEFICIAL.

YOU KNOW, THE WAY PEOPLE USE THE BUS NOW, PARTICULARLY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THAT FOR ECONOMIC ADVANTAGE OR TRYING TO GET TO JOBS AND OTHER STUFF, YOUR JOBS AREN'T ALL DURING PEAK TIMES ANYMORE.

THEY'RE KIND OF ALL AROUND THE DAY.

AND SO THE FACT THAT Y'ALL WERE ABLE TO GET THAT BALANCE, I'M JUST VERY IMPRESSED AND VERY HAPPY.

I LOOK FORWARD TO EVERYBODY HAVING SOME MORE INPUT IN IT, BUT I COULD NOT BE MORE PLEASED AND GRATEFUL FOR THE HARD WORK OF DART STAFF ON THIS.

ALL RIGHT, I HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE, SO MR. SMITH AND MR. KELLY, MR. [INAUDIBLE] AND MR. BRADY, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO FUTURE UPDATES.

ALL RIGHT, THAT WILL MOVE US TO ITEM 4B, COVID-19 RESPONSE UPDATE AND FURTHER

[4B. COVID-19 Response Update and Further Actions]

ACTIONS.

JASON, I BELIEVE YOU'RE UP FIRST.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL GOO TO SEE YOU ALL, AS ALWAYS, I'LL ASK MISTIE TO SHARE HER SCREEN, AND I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF AS WE GO OVER THE TYPICAL REPORT THAT WE PROVIDE.

SO AS OF TODAY, OUR TOTAL CASE COUNT FOR COVID-19 FOR THE CITY OF GARLAND IS TWENTY SEVEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY CONFIRMED CASES.

THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT ELEVEN POINT FOUR PERCENT OF THE POPULATION.

TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, OF COURSE, THE LION SHARE OF THOSE HAVE RECOVERED, WHICH IS DEPICTED IN THE GREEN THERE, TWENTY SIX THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED FIFTY ONE.

THAT'S OVER NINETY SEVEN PERCENT OF THE CONFIRMED CASES.

SO THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN INFECTED WITH COVID-19, AS I'VE SAID, HAVE RECOVERED.

OUR CURRENT CASE COUNT IS ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT IN WHITE THE ACTIVE CASES, WHICH IS THREE HUNDRED TWELVE.

SO THAT NUMBER REMAINS, THANKFULLY REMAINS VERY LOW.

AND UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE REACHED FOUR HUNDRED AND TWENTY SEVEN COVID-19 RELATED FATALITIES IN THE CITY OF GARLAND OVER THE COURSE OF THE PANDEMIC.

I WILL SAY THAT THE CASE COUNT, THE DAILY CASE COUNT HAS HOVERED AROUND 20 FOR THE BETTER PART OF THREE WEEKS.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A VERY NICE DOWNWARD TREND THERE FOR A WHILE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE DAILY COUNTS THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS ARE CERTAINLY VERY LOW NUMBERS IN COMPARISON TO THE PEAKS THAT WE SAW OVER THE HOLIDAY SEASON.

AND WE CERTAINLY HOPE THOSE CONTINUE TO TREND DOWNWARD EVEN FURTHER.

CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE TO TALK ABOUT THE STAFF IMPACTS? I'M NOT SURE YOU ALL ON COUNCIL AND PERHAPS THE PUBLIC REMEMBERS THESE NUMBERS WERE CERTAINLY MUCH HIGHER DURING THE PEAK MONTHS OVER THE HOLIDAYS.

AS OF TODAY, WE HAVE FOUR STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXCLUDED FOR DUE TO COVID-19.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT ANOTHER FOUR STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE EXCLUDED DUE TO WHAT'S CONSIDERED HIGH RISK EXPOSURE.

SO BOTH OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE DRAMATICALLY LOWER AND THAT'S DEPICTED ON THE GRAPH ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

BUT BOTH OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE DRAMATICALLY LOWER THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST.

AND MISTIE IF YOU'LL GO TO THE NEXT NEXT SLIDE.

THANK YOU AGAIN, A FAMILIAR SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE STAFF IMPACTS HAVE REALLY JUST DROPPED OFF OF A CLIFF REALLY IN FEBRUARY.

WE'RE DOWN TO VERY LOW LEVELS LEVELS THAT ESSENTIALLY WE HAVEN'T SEEN SINCE WE STARTED TRACKING STAFF IMPACTS BACK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PANDEMIC.

AND SO EVEN THOUGH STAFFING HAS RETURNED TO ONE HUNDRED PERCENT, I BELIEVE IT WAS AS OF APRIL 12TH, I THINK WE STILL, AT LEAST SO FAR, SEE VERY LOW STAFFING IMPACTS DUE TO COVID-19.

MISTIE CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO GARLAND VACCINATIONS, YOU SEE JUST OVER SIXTEEN THOUSAND FIRST DOSES ADMINISTERED, JUST OVER EIGHT THOUSAND SECOND DOSES.

SO WE'VE SURPASSED TWENTY FOUR THOUSAND TOTAL DOSES.

I WILL MENTION THAT WE HOSTED A SMALLER, A SCALED DOWN VERSION OF A DRIVE THROUGH EVENT AT OUR FIRE TRAINING FACILITY, WHICH IS BETWEEN HIGHWAY 66 AND COMMERCE STREET.

WE HOSTED THAT ON SATURDAY FROM NINE TO ONE.

THAT WAS THE FIRST EVENT THAT WE'VE HOSTED THAT DIDN'T REQUIRE REGISTRATION,

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DIDN'T REQUIRE A RESERVATION, AND IT WAS OPEN TO ANYONE AGE 18 AND UP.

WE HAD VERY GOOD PARTICIPATION.

WE IMMUNIZED OVER SIX HUNDRED AND FIFTY INDIVIDUALS.

AT TIMES THE LINE OF CARS WAS QUITE LONG, BUT THE WAIT TIME, THE MAXIMUM WAIT TIME THAT WE SAW WAS ABOUT AN HOUR, WHICH OF COURSE IS ACCEPTABLE.

WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT A BIT LOWER, BUT WE HAD GOOD PARTICIPATION NONETHELESS.

AND MOST OF YOU PROBABLY KNOW THAT TODAY WAS THE FIRST DAY THAT ANYONE AGE 18 AND UP IS ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE A VACCINE ON A WALK IN BASIS AND OUR PUBLIC HEALTH CLINIC AT 206 CARVER DRIVE.

SO TODAY IS THE FIRST DAY THAT ANYBODY 18 AND UP COULD WALK IN AT THEIR CONVENIENCE BETWEEN 7:30 AND 5:30 AND RECEIVE A COVID-19 VACCINE.

THE PRELIMINARY NUMBER THAT I HAVE TODAY IS ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY SIX VACCINATIONS PROVIDED AT OUR PUBLIC HEALTH CLINIC.

THAT'S A GOOD NUMBER.

I THINK WE COULD HANDLE PERHAPS ONE HUNDRED MORE PER DAY, BUT THAT'S A VERY GOOD PARTICIPATION NUMBER.

AND WE HOPE THAT AS WORD SPREADS, WE'LL HAVE MORE FOLKS THAT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT, AND I WILL SAY THAT PROBABLY AS EARLY AS TOMORROW, WE ARE GOING TO BE PREPARED TO ANNOUNCE EXPANDED HOURS.

WE'RE OPEN FROM 7:30 TO 5:30 MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

BUT WE WANT TO EXPAND THOSE HOURS AT LEAST ONE AFTERNOON SO THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FOLKS THAT HAVE TROUBLE GETTING OFF WORK.

AND THEN WE ALSO WANT TO ESTABLISH CONSISTENT SATURDAY HOURS SO WE CAN LOOK FOR AN ANNOUNCEMENT FAIRLY SOON ON THAT.

MISTIE IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT OUR MASS DISPENSING.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, THESE EVENTS AT HOMER B JOHNSON STADIUM ARE WINDING DOWN.

WE'RE FOLLOWING UP ON SECOND DOSES SO THE EVENT THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR WEDNESDAY OF THIS WEEK, AGAIN, SECOND DOSES ONLY FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

IT'S NINE TO 12.

AND AGAIN, THESE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE VACCINATED AT HBJ STADIUM FOUR WEEKS AGO.

WE'VE GOT ABOUT A THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN INVITED.

WE ALSO HAVE THIS OPEN TO SCHOOL DISTRICT EMPLOYEES AND CITY STAFF, ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY THAT MOST EVERYBODY FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE THREE CITIES, MOST ALL OF THOSE STAFF MEMBERS, HAVE HAD MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO GET VACCINATED.

SO WE DON'T SEE VERY MANY NUMBERS, VERY, VERY MANY PEOPLE OUT OF THOSE GROUPS GETTING VACCINATED.

BUT IT'S STILL AVAILABLE TO THEM IF THEY IF THEY SO CHOOSE.

I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS THE LAST SLIDE THAT WE HAVE, MAYOR.

AND I'D BE HAPPY TO WELL LET ME CHECK MY NOTES HERE TO MAKE SURE.

LET'S SEE ONE THING I FORGOT TO MENTION.

IF WE HAVE RESIDENTS THAT ARE MEDICALLY UNABLE TO COME TO ONE OF OUR DRIVE THROUGH EVENTS OR TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH CLINIC, THOSE FOLKS CAN CALL OUR COVID-19 HOTLINE AT 972-205-3900 WE HAVE STAFF.

AGAIN, IF YOU'RE MEDICALLY UNABLE TO MAKE IT TO ONE OF OUR EVENTS, WE HAVE STAFF THAT CAN COME TO YOUR HOME AND PROVIDE VACCINATIONS.

AND MAYOR I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE NOW.

I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

AND I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE ABLE WE'RE MOVING THE VACCINES AROUND DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.

I WAS WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY OTHER POSSIBLE FUTURE PLANS FOR LOCATIONS AT SHOPPING CENTERS OR LIBRARIES AND REC CENTERS OR VARIOUS LOCATIONS AROUND THE CITY TO GET IT TO CLOSER TO POPULATIONS WHO NEED IT.

AND THE MITCH I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THAT.

I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER IT, IF NOT.

YES SIR WE'RE ACTUALLY HAVING THOSE VERY DISCUSSIONS NOW ON HOW BEST TO MOVE FORWARD IN DOING THAT, GOING OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY IN THE COMING FUTURE.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS ON OUR LIST NOW.

GOOD TO HEAR.

DO YOU KNOW HOW SOON WE CAN GET THAT I KNOW THAT WE'RE SEEING SLACK OFF IN NUMBERS AT OUR HBJ EVENTS.

I'M WONDERING HOW SOON AND I KNOW YOU ALSO MENTIONED WE'RE WINDING DOWN POSSIBILY HBJ OR IS THERE A PLAN TO END THAT IN THE FUTURE OR DO YOU HAVE ANY DATES ON THAT? YES, SIR.

WITH HBJ LIKELY IT WILL BE.

I THINK IT'S ABOUT THREE WEEKS FROM NOW.

JASON CAN CONFIRM THAT.

IT IS.

IT'LL BE AND NOW WE'RE CONTINUING WITH SECOND DOSES.

AND WE'VE TRANSITIONED NOW TO BETWEEN PUBLIC HEALTH CLINIC, WHAT WE DID ON SATURDAY.

AND AS JASON TALKED ABOUT, SOME EXPANDED HOURS FOR OUR CITIZENS.

AND THEN THE NEXT THING WOULD BE AND WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE EXACT DETAILS OF THIS, BUT HOW IT WOULD WORK? WOULD IT BE GOING TO A CHURCH, WOULD BE GOING TO THE LIBRARY, GO INTO A REC

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CENTER, PLACES WHERE WE KNOW THERE WOULD BE A NEED AND ENOUGH PEOPLE THERE, THAT KIND THESE WOULD BE SMALLER EVENTS, YOU KNOW, NOT THE LARGE SCALE EVENT, BUT THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING NOW.

WE JUST HAVEN'T FINALIZED THOSE DETAILS.

SO.

OK, VERY GOOD.

COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS. THANK YOU MAYOR.

YES SIR.

GOOD EVENING, JASON.

I GOT THIS QUESTION TODAY.

WE'RE STILL ADMINISTERING MODERNA CORRECT.

WE'RE STILL IN THE SUSPENSION MODE AS IT RELATES TO J&J IS THAT CORRECT.

YES, SIR THAT IS CORRECT.

WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF MODERNA DOSES NOW, OF COURSE, MODERNA IS A TWO DOSE A SERIES OF TWO SHOTS.

THE SECOND SHOT, THE BOOSTER SHOT IS FOUR WEEKS AFTER THE FIRST.

OF COURSE THE JOHNSON AND JOHNSON VACCINE IS A SINGLE DOSE.

THAT'S THE ADVANTAGE OF JOHNSON AND JOHNSON.

BUT AS YOU MENTIONED, THE CDC AND FDA HAVE PAUSED THE USE OF JOHNSON JOHNSON VACCINE.

AND WE'RE EXPECTING SOME GUIDANCE AS EARLY AS THE MIDDLE PART OF THIS WEEK ON MOVING FORWARD WITH THOSE DOSES.

WE DO HAVE ABOUT NINE HUNDRED JOHNSON AND JOHNSON DOSES IN OUR REFRIGERATOR.

AND AS SOON AS WE GET GUIDANCE FROM CDC AND FDA, THAT WILL DETERMINE WHAT WE DO WITH THOSE DOSES AND HOW THEY MAY BE ADMINISTERED.

WELL, I WOULD TELL YOU TO YOU YOURSELF AND YOUR TEAM, YOU'VE GOT A TESTIMONIAL FROM ONE OF MY MOST SENIOR CITIZENS HERE WHO GOT THE J&J ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO, AND SHE CALLED ME TO LET ME KNOW AND ASKED ME TO PASS IT ON TO YOU THAT SHE IS DOING FINE.

AND SHE SAID SHE WENT BACK TO THE STORE FOR THE FIRST TIME ON SUNDAY AND WASN'T NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.

AND I SAID, YES, MA'AM, I WAS GOING TO PASS IT ALONG TO YOU.

SO YOU'VE GOT ONE CHEERLEADER OUT THERE.

AND SO I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU.

AND SHE SAID ALSO WHEN SHE CAME THROUGH, SHE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.

AND ONE OF YOUR TEAM MEMBERS EXPLAINED TO HER THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE J&J AND MODERNA, THAT THEY WERE PATIENT.

AND SHE WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR TEAM MEMBER FOR DOING THAT.

SO I WANTED TO PASS THAT ONTO YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCNEAL.

AND JASON AND MITCH THIS IS TO BOTH OF YOU AND THANK YOU GUYS AGAIN FOR ALL THAT YOU DO IN THE AREAS OF HEALTH, BECAUSE AS WE FOUND OUT, THIS IS VITAL.

MITCH AS YOU GUYS ARE DISCUSSING THOSE PLANS.

I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE DOING SOME CHALLENGES BETWEEN CHURCHES, CHALLENGES BETWEEN COMMUNITY GROUPS.

THAT'S STILL ON THE DRAWING BOARD, BECAUSE I CERTAINLY AGREE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO USE A SATURDAY OF STAFF'S TIME AND STAFF FACILITIES, THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE RESIDENTS THERE TO GET THOSE.

SO BASICALLY, YOU GUYS HAVE A GOOD INVENTORY OF NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS OR BOOSTER CLUBS OR WHATEVER THAT MAY BE THERE TO HELP GET THAT ROLLING.

WE DO, BUT WILL BE AS WE START TO ROLL THIS OUT, WE'LL WORK THROUGH THOSE THAT WE KNOW OF AND AVAILABLE, BUT WE'LL BE PUTTING OUT INFORMATION TO COORDINATE.

THERE HAVE BEEN SOME BUSINESSES THAT HAVE SHOWN AN INTEREST IN DOING THE SAME KIND OF THING WITHIN OUR CITY.

SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAP ALL OF THAT OUT.

WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, IN ADDITION, BECAUSE WE WANT TO KEEP OUR OPERATIONS GOING AT THE PUBLIC HEALTH CLINIC OUR EXTENDED HOURS.

WE'RE TRYING NOT TO OVEREXTEND OURSELVES AND WE'RE TRYING TO TIE IN WITH COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, CHURCHES AND THE LIKE AND BUSINESSES.

SO, AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT THOSE DETAILS.

BUT IF ANYBODY HEARING US IF THERE IS AN ORGANIZATION LIKE THAT THAT'S INTERESTED, ALL THEY GOT TO DO IS CONTACT US OUR COVID HOTLINE, SEND ANY OF US AN EMAIL.

WE CAN REACH OUT TO THEM AS WE START MAKING OUR PLANS TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION.

THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THIS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE SECOND PART OF THIS ITEM? I WILL TELL YOU, ON SATURDAY, I DID CHAUFFER TWO OF MY DAUGHTERS THROUGH THE PROCESS OUT AT FIRE ADMIN.

WE WERE THERE A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE TIME PERIOD BUT I CAN TELL YOU, IT WAS ONE HUNDRED PERCENT SMOOTH.

WE MOVED THROUGH THE PROCESS VERY EASILY, VERY EFFICIENTLY.

SO PROVING THAT WE CAN DO THIS RIGHT NO MATTER WHAT THE SCALE IS.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE SECOND PART OF THIS, I BELIEVE, UNLESS THERE'S MORE BEFORE I JUMP AHEAD.

OK, THAT'S IT.

THAT'S IT.

WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SECOND PART OF THIS ITEM WHEN WE ARE ADDRESSING

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OUR SENIOR CENTERS.

MITCH.

I'M JUST GOING TO OPEN IT UP A LITTLE BIT.

JUST AS A REMINDER, OF COURSE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT OUR LAST WORK SESSION, NOT ONLY FROM OUR STAFF, BUT AS WE'RE HEARING FROM OUR COMMUNITY, MANY IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE CONCERNED AND INTERESTED IN OPENING UP OUR TWO SENIOR CENTERS.

AND OF COURSE, THAT PART OF OUR POPULATION THAT HAS BEEN MOST VULNERABLE THAT WE'VE KIND OF BEEN VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT.

SO WE'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH, LOOKED AT WHAT MANY OF THE OTHER CITIES ARE DOING.

AND WE'VE LOOKED AT OUR PROCESS.

WE'VE LOOKED AT WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE.

WE HAVE RUN INTO A TECHNICAL ISSUE WITH OUR FUNDING FOR OUR MEALS PROGRAM WITH DALLAS COUNTY.

SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS WE HAVE BOTH ANDY, ANDY HESSER AND DLEE WILLIAMS HERE TONIGHT.

SO I'M TO LET ANDY TALK TO YOU AND DLEE TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT WE FOUND, WHAT THE CHALLENGES ARE, AND THEN WHAT OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE FOR YOU.

SO, ANDY.

SO JUST AS RECENTLY AS FRIDAY AFTERNOON AND THIS MORNING, SOME OF THE DETAILS BEGAN TO UNFOLD AS TO HOW WE ARE ALLOWED TO ADMINISTER THE MEALS PROGRAM.

THAT FUNDING SOURCE THROUGH THE DALLAS COUNTY AND VARIOUS OTHER PROVIDERS FOR THE MEALS PROGRAM IS TIED TO HAS SOME STRINGS ATTACHED ON HOW THAT CAN BE DISTRIBUTED IF YOU'RE GOING TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MEAL PROGRAM.

AND SO ONE OF THOSE IS, IS THAT IF WE CONTINUE TO DELIVER MEALS, WHICH WE CAN, AND TO GIVE OUT MEALS, WHICH WE CAN, YOU MUST CLOSE THE FACILITY THAT YOU DISTRIBUTE THEM FROM BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 11:00 A.M.

AND 3:00 P.M.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS, IS THAT THEY NEED AIRTIGHT ASSURANCES THAT A FACILITY IS NOT HOSTING A CONGREGATE MEAL FACE TO FACE IN PERSON IN AN ENCLOSED ENVIRONMENT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE UNFORTUNATE SIDE OF IT, IT IS TIED TO THEIR FUNDING, AND SO WE KIND OF COMMUNICATED WITH THEM OFF AND ON FOR THE LAST FEW HOURS AND COUPLE OF DAYS.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF WIGGLE ROOM THERE.

AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, NO ONE'S INTERESTED IN LOSING THEIR FUNDING.

AND WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN LOSING THE MEALS FOR OUR ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY TO A HUNDRED AND FIFTY FOLKS ON A REGULAR BASIS.

SO WITH THAT INFORMATION, STAFF IS LOOKING AT SOME WAYS TO PROGRAM THE FACILITY A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.

OUR HOURS ARE NORMALLY 8:00 A.M.

TO 8:00 P.M.

TRADITIONALLY, THERE MIGHT BE SOME THAT ARE OPEN A LITTLE BIT LATER, BUT THAT'S KIND OF OUR DANCE GROUPS LIKE SQUARE DANCE AND VARIOUS OTHER GROUPS LIKE THAT.

BUT NORMALLY IT'S 8A TO 8P.

SO WE CAN LOOK FOR WAYS AND THE STAFF IS CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO PROVIDE WHAT WE THINK OUR CUSTOMERS ARE ASKING FOR.

WE POLLED OUR ADVISORY BOARD AND OUR CUSTOMERS.

THEY ARE EAGER TO GET BACK.

AND I THINK WITHIN REASONABLE PRECAUTIONS WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT.

IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S DESIRE, WE CAN DEFINITELY WORK WITH THE CHALLENGES OF THE 11 TO 3 RESTRICTIONS.

SO IF THERE'S ANY OTHER DETAILED QUESTIONS I MAY TO FURTHER DEFER THOSE TO DLEE.

BUT WE ARE NOT THE ONLY CITY THAT'S IN THAT SITUATION.

PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY THAT HAS THEIR MEALS TIED TO THAT FUNDING HAS THE SAME RESTRICTION.

AND MANY OF THE CITIES THAT WE POLLED HAVE EITHER OPENED ALREADY TO THEIR SENIORS OR ARE PLANNING TO DO SO SOON OR ARE STILL IN THE PROCESS.

SO IT'S ABOUT A THIRD, A THIRD, A THIRD OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN OUR POLLED NEIGHBOR CITIES.

OK, I BELIEVE WE'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

WHICH OF THE CITY'S SENIOR CENTERS, DO WE DO MOST OF OUR MEAL PREP AT OR ARE WE DOING THE MEAL PREP OR EXPLAIN, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF LOGISTICS? SIR.

I'LL LET DLEE ANSWER THAT.

BUT IT'S CURRENTLY A DROP OFF AND DELIVERY SYSTEM.

WE DON'T DO ANY MEAL PREP.

THOSE MEALS GET DELIVERED TO US.

AND THEN CURRENTLY WE EITHER DELIVER THOSE ON THE ROUTE THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY DO OR PEOPLE HAVE THE OPTION TO COME THROUGH AND DRIVE THROUGH AND PICK UP THOSE MEALS.

SO THERE'S NO MEAL PREP.

OK, SO THE ISSUE IS THEY DON'T WANT EVERYBODY CONGREGATING TOGETHER TO EAT THEIR MEAL.

NO, THE ISSUE IS THE WAY THAT THEY WERE FUNDED FOR THIS YEAR, THEY JUST HAVE TO ENSURE THAT NOBODY IS DOING THE NORMAL CONGREGATE MEAL PROGRAM, THAT IT'S ONLY DELIVER OR DRIVE THROUGH AND PICK UP THE SERVICES THAT WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW.

SO OUR OPTIONS WOULD BE WE COULD JUST CONTINUE WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AND NOT OPEN THE CENTERS AT ALL.

BUT LIKE ANDY SAID, MITCH SAID, WE HAVE STAFF AND SENIORS WHO ARE CHOMPING AT THE BIT TO GET BACK OPEN AND I ACTUALLY DID A LITTLE BIT MORE JUST SEARCHING, BECAUSE THE DATA THAT WE HAD ON SOME OF THE CITIES WAS ABOUT A WEEK OLD.

AND SO WE HAD THIRTY ONE CITIES THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AND 70 PERCENT ARE EITHER OPEN OR GOING TO BE OPENING IN MAY AT THE LATEST.

AND SO MAJORITY OF CENTERS ARE OPENING BACK UP AND THEN HAVING TO ADHERE TO THOSE SAME GUIDELINES THAT ARE OUT THERE.

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ALL RIGHT I'M SORRY I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO SOUND LIKE A STUPID QUESTION, BUT CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE CONGREGATE MEAL PROGRAM IS? I'M NOT FOLLOWING.

SO WE FALL UNDER THE DALLAS COUNTY HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, AND THOSE CONGREGATE MEALS ARE DONE THROUGH DALLAS COUNTY VNA, WHICH IS MEALS ON WHEELS.

AND SO THOSE ARE THE MEALS THAT ARE DELIVERED TO OUR CENTERS.

BUT TYPICALLY, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DINE IN THE FACILITY PRIOR TO THE PANDEMIC.

THEY WOULD BE EATING THESE MEALS IN OUR FACILITY IN A DIFFERENT DELIVERY METHOD.

AND SINCE THE IMPACT OF COVID EVERYONE'S FUNDING INTO A TIZZY, THEY IN ORDER TO KEEP THE PROGRAM IN ITS CURRENT STATE AND ABLE TO DELIVER MEALS, THERE WERE SOME STRINGS ATTACHED SO THAT THEY WERE NO LONGER BEING ALLOWED TO EAT FACE TO FACE IN AN ENCLOSED FACILITY.

IS THAT THE QUESTION? I THINK ORIGINALLY YOU ASKED.

YEAH, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE I MAY BE PREACHING TO THE CHOIR HERE.

BUT I MEAN, IF I CAN GO SIT DOWN AT A RESTAURANT WITH STRANGERS AND EAT FACE TO FACE AND THERE'S NO ISSUE, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW USEFUL THOSE STRINGS ARE THAT ARE ATTACHED TO OUR FUNDING.

I'M SURE YOU GUYS WERE PROBABLY MAKING THAT SAME ARGUMENT.

DO WE KNOW WHAT AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? FOR THE FUNDING? SO THE CONGREGATE MEAL PROGRAM, THE WAY IT'S SET UP RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE A SUGGESTED DONATION, BUT IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE GO AROUND AND COLLECT FROM THE SENIORS.

IT'S ACTUALLY THE COLLECTION BOX IS PUT IN A VERY PRIVATE LOCATION SO THAT IF A SENIOR DOES NOT FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO PAY WHATEVER THEY SUGGESTED COST IS, THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO.

SO WHAT'S OUR PROGRAM FUNDING? HOW MUCH ARE WE GETTING TO RUN THE PROGRAM? WE DON'T GET.

WE'RE JUST GETTING THE FOOD.

THAT DOES SOUND A LITTLE STRANGE.

AND ALSO THAT YOU CAN HAVE THE SENIOR CENTER OPEN AND HAVE FACE TO FACE ACTIVITIES AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT EATING, I GUESS IS THE CAVEAT THERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCNEAL, GO AHEAD.

AND SO, ANDY, I'M THINKING THIS IS A NO BRAINER, BUT IS THE CONTRACT STATED SUCH THAT THEY HAVE TO DELIVER THE MEALS TO THE SENIOR CITIZENS? WE COULDN'T STAGE TWO MEALS FROM ANOTHER CITY LOCATION? IS THAT NOT AN OPTION? THAT I'LL [INAUDIBLE] ELABORATE.

AND THANK YOU.

BUT YES, SIR, THERE IS A CONTRACT THAT HAS THE CAVEATS FOR BOTH SIDES TO AGREE TO THOSE TERMS. SO WE DO HAVE FEW, IF ANY, OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO US.

YES.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT JUST GARLAND WOULD BE FACING.

IT'S ANYBODY THAT IS WORKING EITHER WITH THE DALLAS AREA AGENCY ON AGING.

THIS IS WHAT THEIR GUIDELINES ARE RIGHT NOW.

SO WE HAVE FOUND OUT THAT THERE ARE SOME CITIES NOT FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE GUIDELINES ARE THERE.

AND SO OUR STAFF JUST DID SOME DUE DILIGENCE AND DID A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND FOUND OUT, OK, THIS IS HOW THIS NEEDS TO OPERATE.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT MY STAFF IS READY TO GO AND THEY ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO DO AN EIGHT TO 11 OPENING AND THEN CLOSED DOWN FROM 11 TO THREE AND THEN OPEN BACK UP AND BE OPEN FROM THREE TO EIGHT, CONTINUING THE MEAL DELIVERY AND ALSO STILL DOING THE DRIVE THRU AND PICK UP.

SO THEY ARE VERY MUCH WANTING TO DO THAT.

CARVER CENTER WOULD STILL BE OPEN.

IT WOULD JUST BE OPEN EIGHT TO 11.

CARVER USUALLY CLOSES AT 3:00.

AND SO THEY JUST WOULDN'T OPEN BACK UP FOR THE DAY.

NOW, WE ALSO HAD TO ASK AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION YET AND MAYBE THEY DON'T EITHER, BUT IS THERE A FORESEEABLE TERMINATION TO THAT STIPULATION? I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE THAT ANSWER.

WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE IT.

WHATEVER THEIR FUNDING SOURCES IS BE IT COUNTY, STATE, FEDERAL OR LITTLE OF ALL THE ABOVE.

THEY WOULD MAKE THAT DETERMINATION AS THINGS UNFOLD AND AND THE PANDEMIC SUBSIDES, HOPEFULLY.

GOOD THING, SIR.

YEAH, I AM IN FAVOR OF GETTING THE CENTERS OPEN IN THE WAY THAT WE CAN RIGHT NOW, FOLLOWING ALL THE RULES.

QUESTION, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT IN A TWO STAGE, YOU KNOW, AN EIGHT TO 11 AND THEN WHATEVER, THREE TO EIGHT, IS THAT GOING TO MEAN DOUBLE BUS ROUTES FOR TRANSPORTATION OR NO? NO, MA'AM.

WE WOULD CONTINUE THE ROUTES AS WE'VE ALWAYS DONE THEM.

WE MIGHT HAVE TO MODIFY SOME.

BUT THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN LOOKING AT THE ROUTES.

WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS THEY WOULD PICK UP THE SENIORS AND BRING THEM TO THE

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CENTER, WHICH IS WHAT THEY DID, PRE COVID.

AND THEN THE SENIORS WOULD STAY FOR LUNCH AND THEN THEY WOULD GET TAKEN HOME.

SO IN THIS SCENARIO, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD HAVE AND WHEN IT'S TIME FOR THE CENTER TO CLOSE, WE'D LOAD UP THE SENIORS IN ALONG THE ROUTES.

THE SENIORS THAT ARE ON THE BUS WOULD BE GIVEN THEIR LUNCH TO TAKE HOME.

AND IF WE HAVE STOPS ON THE WAY TO SOME SENIORS THAT DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE COMING TO THE CENTER, THEY WOULD STILL GET THEIR MEAL.

OK, YOU'RE SAYING THE SENIORS WOULD COME AND STAY FOR LUNCH AT THE CENTER? I'M HAVING A HARD TIME FOLLOWING THAT.

I'M SO SORRY.

SO THEY WOULD GET PICKED UP SO YOU CAN COME TO THE CENTER ON YOUR OWN OR WE HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM THAT WE HAD PRE COVID.

RIGHT, THAT THE BUSSES WOULD GO AROUND, PICK UP SENIORS AND BRING THEM TO THE CENTER.

AND WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE COULD STILL WE COULD RESUME THAT WHICH WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO.

AND WHEN IT'S TIME TO SHUT DOWN AT 11:00, WE WOULD PUT THE SENIORS ON THE BUS.

THOSE SENIORS WOULD BE GIVEN THEIR MEAL TO TAKE BACK HOME AND EAT.

AND ANY ALONG THE WAY THAT DIDN'T GET PICKED UP AND BROUGHT TO THE CENTER WOULD BE GETTING THEIR MEALS DELIVERED THE WAY THAT THEY CURRENTLY ARE.

OK, SO I GUESS MY MY QUESTION IS, SINCE IT WOULD BE IN TWO SLOTS OF TIME, WOULD WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND THEN PICK THEM ALL UP AGAIN AT THREE, BRING THEM BACK TO THE CENTER, AND THEN SO WE'LL HAVE ACTUALLY DOUBLE THE TRIPS THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY HAVE HAD IF THEY HAD JUST BEEN THERE LONGER.

NO, BECAUSE IT WOULD, PRE COVID IN THE WORLD, WE WOULD TAKE THEM BACK HOME AFTER LUNCH AND THEY WOULDN'T RETURN FOR EVENING ACTIVITIES.

THAT WAS KIND OF LIKE A DIFFERENT GROUP THAT WOULD BE COMING IN.

GOT YA.

THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

OK, THAT MAKES BETTER SENSE.

SO THIS REALLY IS ANNOYING AND PROBABLY SENSELESS, BUT NOT COMPLETELY A DEVIATION FROM THE WAY THAT YOU WERE DOING THINGS BEFORE.

IT'S JUST A LONGER DOWN TIME IN THE MIDDLE? YES, MA'AM.

AND IF WE'VE GOT HOW MANY DID YOU SAY 70 PERCENT OF THE CITIES HAVE THEIR SENIOR CENTERS ALREADY OPEN OR GETTING READY TO OPEN? I'M IN FAVOR OF GETTING ON WITH IT INSTEAD OF WAITING TILL THE END OF NEXT MONTH.

WELL, I'M IN FOR IT.

LIKE WE HAD DISCUSSED.

I CONTINUE TO HEAR LOUDLY AND PERSISTENTLY FROM SENIORS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND SAYING, OPEN THE SENIOR CENTERS, WE'RE READY TO GO BACK.

I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ASK THAT TRANSPORTATION QUESTION AS WELL.

I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THAT.

OK, LOOKS LIKE WE'VE CLEARED THE QUEUE ON THIS ITEM.

SO DLEE OR ANDY OR MITCH, DO WE HAVE A PROPOSED TIMELINE OF WHEN WE WOULD REOPEN? WHAT HAVE YOU, WHEN WE WOULD THROW THE DOORS OPEN AGAIN? DLEE.

I'LL LET YOU ANSWER THAT ONE AND STAFF IS PREPARED TO PROGRAM THE NEW TIME SLOTS.

THEY ARE YOU KNOW, I WANT TO GIVE THEM A FEW DAYS NOTICE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ALREADY TAKEN OUT OF THESE THINGS, BUT THEY ARE COMFORTABLE TO START.

MAYOR, I MAY, WE WERE LOOKING AT MAY 3RD, BUT LET US CONFIRM THAT AND THEN WE'LL PUT IT OUT TO EVERYONE.

WE JUST WANT TO WE'VE GOT SOME ADDITIONAL LOGISTICAL THINGS TO WORK OUT .

I KNOW THEY'RE READY TO GO.

BUT TENTATIVELY, WE'RE LOOKING AT MAY 3RD THAT MONDAY.

OK, VERY GOOD.

ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THIS? COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH? THANK YOU, MAYOR, IT'S KIND OF IN LINE WITH THE QUESTION I ASKED A FEW WEEKS AGO.

DO WE HAVE THE, OR ARE WE COMMUNICATING WITH THESE RESIDENTS WHERE WE'RE DROPPING OFF MEALS AT THEIR HOMES TODAY? ARE WE HAVING ANY FACE-TO-FACE INTERACTIONS? WE ACTUALLY HAVE AMAZING STAFF THAT DO PHONE CALLS, THEY DO LITTLE CHEER, SING-SONG THINGS WHEN THEY DROP OFF MEALS, THEY'LL MAKE SIGNS, THEY DO ALL THEY CAN TO TRY AND ENGAGE AND KEEP THE SENIORS' SPIRITS UP.

ARE WE AWARE OF ANY SENIORS THAT WE CURRENTLY DELIVER TO THAT WOULD LIKE A VACCINE BUT HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET ONE? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M SURE EITHER MY SENIOR CENTER SUPERVISORS COULD GET OR I MEAN, WE COULD GET THAT INFORMATION AND FIND OUT.

OK, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE OPENING THE DOOR TO THESE FOLKS, THAT ANYBODY WHO WANTS A VACCINE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET ONE BEFORE WE PUT THEM IN, YOU KNOW, IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER AGAIN AND OBVIOUSLY NOT TRY TO FORCE ANYBODY INTO A VACCINE THEY DON'T WANT.

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BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HELP THEM BE SUCCESSFUL HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

COUNCILMAN SMITH, ANSWERED MY FIRST QUESTION.

MY SECOND QUESTION IS ONCE STAFF HAS A SOLID DATE FOR REOPENING.

WHAT'S A GAME PLAN FOR NOTIFYING SENIORS AND THEIR FAMILIES? PARTICULARLY, I'M CONCERNED THERE ARE SENIORS WHO LIVE ALONE OR WHO LIVE SEPARATE FROM FAMILY MEMBERS.

CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW WHAT IS MAY 1 OR MAY 3RD, KIND OF WHAT OUR APPROACH IS GOING TO BE TO ENSURING THAT ALL THOSE SENIORS WHO WANT TO RETURN TO THE CENTERS HAVE THE INFORMATION SO THAT THEY CAN RETURN TO THE CENTERS? CAN YOU TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S OUR STRATEGY FOR MAKING SURE THAT HAPPENS? WE HAVE A VARIETY OF OPTIONS, OBVIOUSLY, WITH SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT SENIORS DON'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS UTILIZE FACEBOOK OR WITH THE WEBSITE.

BUT WE HAVE OUR SILVER SCOOP INFORMATION.

WE GO OUT ON THAT.

WE HAVE THE PHONE CALLS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING TO THE SENIORS THAT WE HAVE THEIR, INFORMATION THAT WE COULD LET THEM KNOW.

ALONG THE DELIVERY ROUTE AND WHEN THEY DO PICK UP THEIR MEALS, WE CAN PROVIDE THEM WITH THAT INFORMATION.

SO THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THEM.

AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT NETWORKS THAT THE SENIORS, SENIOR CENTERS WORK WITH THAT WHETHER THEY ARE CHURCH MEMBERS OR DIFFERENT PEOPLE AT OTHER SENIOR LIVING CENTERS, THAT WE CAN GET WORD OUT THAT WE ARE BACK OPEN.

AND ALSO, DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S OUR CAPACITY AT DOWNTOWN AND CARVER? [INAUDIBLE], YOU KNOW, WHAT IS OUR CAPACITY IS? THE TOTAL BUILDING CAPACITY? YEAH, EITHER THE TOTAL OF EACH SIDE, DO YOU HAVE THE BALLPARK WHAT'S OUR CAPACITY? I DON'T KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF WHAT IS WELL BEFORE WHAT WAS OUR GENERAL ATTENDANCE PARTICIPATION NUMBERS? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THOSE WERE? OH, GOODNESS, CARVER.

I THINK IT WAS AROUND 20 MEALS A DAY THAT THEY WERE SERVING.

AND THE SENIOR CENTER, THE DOWNTOWN CENTER WAS SERVING A LOT.

I MEAN, THAT SOUND THAT THAT CENTER WAS ALWAYS BURSTING AT THE SEAMS. BUT I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBERS.

I'M SORRY.

OK BUT YOU SAID WE WERE SERVING ABOUT 20 AT CARVER? YES, SIR.

THAT WOULD BE ABOUT A NORMAL DAY.

THAT'S IT NOW.

SO YOU HAVE AN AVERAGE, YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT 20 SENIORS, THIS IS THE CARVER CENTER? YES.

AFTER IT WAS RENOVATED AND ONCE IT OPENED BACK UP.

BUT THEN THAT THAT ALL CAME TO A HALT.

BECAUSE OF COVID AND I ASK THAT QUESTION BECAUSE IF WE'RE DOING WE'RE DOING 20 OR IF WE'RE DOING A HUNDRED DOWNTOWN.

BUT OUR CAPACITY IS, LET'S SAY 20 PERCENT ABOVE THOSE NUMBERS.

YOU KNOW, ARE WE IF ARE WE GOING TO TRY TO REACH OUT FOR ADDITIONAL SENIORS TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN SENIOR ACTIVITIES ALONG WITH THOSE SENIORS THAT ARE ALREADY PARTICIPANTS? YES.

I MEAN, WE CAN DO OUR BEST TO TRY AND GET THAT INFORMATION OUT.

IF THERE'S AN ACTUAL THERE'S ACTUALLY AN INTAKE PROCESS THAT THE SENIORS HAVE TO GO THROUGH IN ORDER TO MAKE THOSE MEALS.

THEY HAVE TO QUALIFY FOR THOSE.

SO THEY GO THROUGH AN APPLICATION PROCESS.

WE GET SOME INFORMATION AND THEN THEY'RE ELIGIBLE TO THOSE MEALS.

OK, GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE ANSWER.

ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD.

WELL, I THINK WE HAVE CLEARED THE QUEUE ON THIS ITEM ANDY AND DLEE.

THANK YOU FOR ALL THE INFORMATION AND DEBATE.

YOU KNOW, I HAVE LEARNED TO COUNT ON YOU.

YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE ANSWERS.

YOU ALWAYS DO THE RESEARCH.

BUT YOU GOT TRIPPED UP TONIGHT JUST A LITTLE BIT.

YOU KNOW, USUALLY I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE EVER HEARD YOU REPLIED.

I DON'T KNOW TO ANY QUESTION PRIOR TO THIS EVENING.

SO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE INFORMATION AS FAR AS WHAT THE OTHER CITIES ARE DOING AND CERTAINLY REACHING OUT TO THE ADVISORY BOARD.

AND I KNOW EVERYBODY IS READY TO GET THOSE DOORS OPEN.

COUNCIL, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND GO AHEAD AND JUMP IN TO ITEM 4C BEFORE WE TAKE BEFORE WE TAKE A RECESS.

I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY A BIG ITEM, BUT I'D LIKE FOR US JUST JUST TO GO AHEAD AND DO

[4C. 2019 Bond Program - Status Update]

IT.

SO I DON'T FORESEE 2019 BOND PROGRAM STATUS UPDATE MR. GALCERAN.

I KNEW AND SAW YOUR FACE AT SOME POINT.

THERE YOU ARE.

SO MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, AGAIN, THIS IS RICK GALCERAN WITH THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT OFFICE

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AND WE'LL BE GIVING YOU AN UPDATE ON THE2019, BUT ALSO SOME UPDATES ON 2004 BOND PROGRAMS. WITH ME TONIGHT IS KALLIE TANNER AND LAURA DUNN, ALSO WITH THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT OFFICE.

THEY WILL BE THE PRESENTERS TONIGHT.

SEAN GASTBRIDGE WITH [INAUDIBLE].

OUR CONSULTANT IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL IF IT'S NECESSARY.

WELL, WE'VE ALSO INVITED GINNY HOLLIDAY WITH FACILITIES MANAGEMENT, KAREN ARCHIBALD WITH LIBRARY, AND ANDY HESSER AND MICHAEL POLOCEK WITH ENGINEERING TO HELP ANSWER QUESTIONS IF IT BECOMES NECESSARY AS WELL.

PLEASE REMEMBER THAT DELIVERING THE PROJECTS IN THE BOND PROGRAM IS A COLLECTIVE EFFORT THAT INCLUDES MANY CITY DEPARTMENTS.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL TELL YOU, I'LL GO AHEAD AND HAND THE PRESENTATION OVER TO YOU.

THANK YOU, RICK.

CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? GOT IT.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I'M KALLIE TANNER AN ASSOCIATE PROJECT MANAGER IN THE PMO.

AND AS RICK SAID, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE 2019 PROGRAM, WE WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE 2004 BOND PROGRAM PROJECTS.

SO LET ME KIND OF REVIEW WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT JUST AS FAR AS FORMATTING THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION.

YOU WILL SEE EACH PROPOSITION WAS ORGANIZED INTO A CHART SIMILAR TO THE ONE HERE, AND EACH OF THE PROJECTS IS GROUPED INTO THE CATEGORY WHERE THE MILESTONE IN WHICH IT IS CURRENTLY IN.

AND SO THERE ARE FOUR CATEGORIES.

THE FIRST ONE IS UPCOMING.

YOU DON'T SEE THAT HERE JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANY UPCOMING PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT, ALTHOUGH YOU WILL SEE THAT CATEGORY ON FUTURE SITES.

NEXT IS IN DESIGN AND THEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION, FOLLOWED BY COMPLETE.

AND YOU'LL PROBABLY NOTICE WE HAVE SOME YEARS IN PARENTHESES HERE.

AND THOSE YEARS ARE THE YEARS THAT THE PROJECT IS ANTICIPATED TO ADVANCE TO THE NEXT MILESTONE.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE SLIDE HERE IN DESIGN, WE HAVE GAYLE FIELDS RECREATION CENTER, AND IT IS ANTICIPATED TO MOVE TO CONSTRUCTION IN 2021.

UNDER CONSTRUCTION IS AUDUBON REC CENTER AND THAT IS EXPECTED TO MOVE TO COMPLETION IN 2021.

AND COMPLETE IS THE PLAYGROUND IMPROVEMENTS WHICH FINISHED IN 2020.

SO WITH THAT EXPLANATION OUT OF THE WAY, WE CAN MOVE INTO THE PROJECTS THEMSELVES, STARTING WITH PARKS AND RECREATION.

WE HAVE A FEW PROJECTS HERE, GAYLE FIELDS RECREATION CENTER AND THIS ONE I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING A CONSTRUCTION OF WORK TOMORROW, MEANING THAT WE CAN EXPECT CONSTRUCTION TO START SOON.

WE ALSO HAVE GRANGER ANNEX PHASE TWO THAT IS IN DESIGN, AS WELL AS THE TUCKERVILLE PARK DEVELOPMENT PHASE ONE TENNIS COMPLEX.

AND FOR THIS ONE, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING A DESIGN CONTRACT TOMORROW.

SO CONSTRUCTION IS ANTICIPATED ON THAT PROJECT TO BEGIN IN 2022.

SO MOVING ON TO THE UNDER CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, WE HAVE THE AUDUBON RECREATION CENTER AND I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND COUNCIL TO STAY TUNED FOR UPDATES ON WHEN IT WILL REOPEN TO THE PUBLIC LATER THIS YEAR.

AND ALSO THE SKATING AND SKATEBOARD FACILITY PROJECT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

AND AS I MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO DURING THE EXPLANATION, THE PLAYGROUND IMPROVEMENTS DID FINISH IN 2020.

SO MOVING ON TO DRAINAGE AND NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE THE PROJECTS HERE, BUT I WANT TO GO OVER A FEW PROGRAMS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY SPELLED OUT ON THE SLIDE AND THE FIRST ONE BEING THE DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.

AND THAT INCLUDES THE SPRING CREEK EROSION STUDY, WHICH COMPLETED THIS YEAR.

WE ALSO HAVE THE LOCAL FLOODING PROGRAM, AND THAT INCLUDES NINE PROJECTS TO REDUCE STRUCTURE FLOODING AND THE STUDIES COMPLETED THIS YEAR.

AND DESIGN IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN IN 2022.

AND THE LAST ONE FLOOD PRONE PROPERTY FUND, THE POLICY DRAFT IS CURRENTLY IN COMMITTEE REVIEW.

SO BACK TO THE PROJECTS THAT YOU CAN SEE AND DESIGN.

THERE'S GARLAND HEIGHTS AND FREEMAN AND CLASSIC AND YOUNG.

CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION IS MEADOW CREEK PARK DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS PART OF THE LOCAL FLOODING PROGRAM.

ALSO SHADY LANE CHANNEL RECONSTRUCTION, MILLER ROAD AND GLENBROOK.

AND WE COMPLETED THE STRATTERA ALLEY DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS IN 2021.

AND MOVING ON TO STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION.

WE HAVE A FEW IN DESIGN, INCLUDING THE BRIDGE REHABILITATION GROUP C THIS STREET DRAINAGE OUTFALL PHASE ME, CALEJO ROAD, CHAHA ROAD AND UNDER CONSTRUCTION WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PROJECTS, THOSE BEING SHILOH ROAD AND BOBTOWN ROAD.

AND WITH THAT SAID, I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO LAURA DUNN.

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THANK YOU, KALLIE.

IN THE MAY 2019 ELECTION, THERE WERE EIGHT PROPOSITIONS THAT WENT TO THE VOTERS FOR CONSIDERATION AND THE VOTERS APPROVED ALL OF THE PROPOSITIONS TOTALING 423.7 MILLION, WHICH IS SCHEDULED TO BE IMPLEMENTED OVER THE COURSE OF SEVEN YEARS.

I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT WE ARE IN YEAR TWO OF THE PROGRAM AND ALMOST ALL OF THE PROJECTS ARE UNDERWAY.

PROPOSITION A TOTALING A LITTLE OVER 122 MILLION WILL FINANCE STREET AND ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING SIDEWALKS, ALLEYS, BRIDGES, INTERSECTIONS, SCREENING WALLS, STREETSCAPES, WAYFINDING AND OTHER TRAFFIC FLOW IMPROVEMENTS.

THIS PROPOSITION INCLUDES EIGHT MAJOR PROJECTS AND 10 PROGRAMS. OF THE EIGHT PROJECTS TOTAL.

THERE ARE TWO UPCOMING AND SIX ARE IN DESIGN.

THERE ARE ALSO NINE PROGRAMS THAT ARE MANAGED BETWEEN TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING STREETS AND THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT OFFICE.

I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT AS PART OF THE RAILROAD CROSSING IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, THERE IS AN AGREEMENT WITH KCS UP FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION ON TOMORROW'S AGENDA FOR TWO PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, ONE OF WHICH IS AT MAIN AND FIFTH AND THE OTHER IS AT AVENUE A AND FIFTH.

GOING INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON SOME OF THE PROJECTS WITH NAAMAN SCHOOL ROAD BETWEEN BRAND AND STATE HIGHWAY 78 THAT IS CURRENTLY IN DESIGN.

IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, THE 60 PERCENT DESIGN SUBMITTAL WAS COMPLETED AND OVERALL DESIGN IS EXPECTED TO WRAP UP LATER THIS YEAR.

IN ALIGNMENT STUDY IS UNDERWAY ON SHILOH ROAD BETWEEN KINGSLEY AND WESTWOOD.

IT'S ANTICIPATED TO BE COMPLETE BY THE MIDDLE OF THIS YEAR, AND LAND ACQUISITION EFFORTS ARE UNDERWAY FOR BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS.

AN ALIGNMENT STUDY IS ALSO UNDERWAY ON LYONS ROAD BETWEEN I30 AND GUTHRIE.

THE CONTRACT WAS AWARDED IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR AND THE STUDY IS ANTICIPATED TO BE COMPLETED BY MID 2021.

DETAILED DESIGN IS UNDERWAY ON HOLFORD ROAD FOR BOTH SEGMENTS A AND B REACHING THE 90 PERCENT DESIGN.

SOME LITTLE MILESTONES THIS MONTH.

THE BOTTLENECK IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM THAT AIMS TO ADDRESS THOSE TIMES WHEN YOU'RE STUCK IN AN INTERSECTION THAT'S FULL OF CARS AND YOU HAVE NOWHERE TO GO.

THERE ARE 12 INTERSECTIONS INCLUDED IN THIS PROGRAM THAT ARE DIVIDED INTO FOUR DESIGN PACKAGES.

DESIGN IS UNDERWAY ON ALL OF THE PACKAGES, AND IT'S ANTICIPATED TO BE COMPLETE BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.

PACKAGE ONE, WHICH INCLUDES THE INTERSECTIONS OF BROADWAY AND I 30, BUCKINGHAM AND PLANO, AS WELL AS FOREST AND JUPITER IS ANTICIPATED TO START IN LATE 2021.

AS A REMINDER, THIS PACKAGE ALSO INCLUDES SOME FUNDING FROM DART.

PACKAGE TWO, WHICH INCLUDES GARLAND AT STATE HIGHWAY 190, CAMPBELL AT STATE HIGHWAY 190, APOLLO AND SPRING CREEK AT GARLAND.

THESE INTERSECTIONS ARE IN THE HOMESTRETCH OF DESIGN AND ARE ANTICIPATED TO WRAP UP IN LATE 2021.

JUST AS A REMINDER, THESE ARE THE 12 INTERSECTIONS WE ARE FOCUSING ON AND HOW THEY ARE GROUPED INTO THE FOUR DESIGN PACKAGES.

I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT PACKAGE FOUR IS BEING COORDINATED WITH THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR REVITALIZATION PROJECT, ALSO KNOWN AS FIRST STREET BEAUTIFICATION.

AND THERE IS A DESIGN CONTRACT UP FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION ON TOMORROW NIGHT'S AGENDA.

AND NOW I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO KALLIE TO TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY PROJECTS.

HEY, SO MOVING ON TO PROPOSITION B, PUBLIC SAFETY, THIS INCLUDES OVER 51 MILLION DOLLARS TO ACQUIRE, CONSTRUCT, TO IMPROVE, EXPAND AND EQUIP EXCUSE ME, PUBLIC FACILITIES.

SO OF THESE SEVEN SAFETY PROJECTS, FIVE ARE UPCOMING OR RATHER, I WOULD SAY FOUR AND A HALF.

AND THIS ONE HERE IS ONE PHASE OF A TWO PHASE PROJECT.

WE HAVE ONE THAT'S IN DESIGN, ONE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

AND THEN THE OTHER HALF OF THE TWO PHASE PROJECT IS COMPLETE AS OF THIS YEAR.

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SO MOVING INTO THE BREAKDOWN OF THOSE PROJECTS.

THE GROUNDBREAKING FOR THE POLICE PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE BUILDING WAS PART BUILD GARLAND DAY BACK IN JANUARY.

AND TO SEE THAT CONSTRUCTION IS WELL UNDERWAY AND WE ANTICIPATE FOR CONSTRUCTION TO BE COMPLETE IN EARLY 2022 AND THEN FOR THE POLICE STATION SECURITY IMPROVEMENTS, PHASE ONE WHICH INCLUDED THE SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM UPGRADES IS OPERATIONAL AS OF LAST MONTH AND PHASE TWO IS UPCOMING.

AND FOR THE FIRE STATIONS, FOR FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE, PROGRAMING IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY AND PREDESIGN CONTINUES ON THIS PROJECT.

FOR FIRE STATION NUMBER SIX ARCHITECTURAL PROGRAMING IS COMPLETED.

AND WE HAD A DESIGN KICKOFF MEETING BACK IN FEBRUARY.

AND WITH DESIGN CURRENTLY UNDERWAY, WE ANTICIPATE CONSTRUCTION BEGINNING MID NEXT YEAR.

AND FOR FIRE STATION NUMBER SEVEN, SIMILAR TO STATION NUMBER ONE, IT IS CURRENTLY IN PREDESIGNED WITH PROGRAMING UNDERWAY.

AND AS YOU MAY REMEMBER, WE CELEBRATED THE LAND ACQUISITION DURING BUILD GARLAND DAY BACK IN JANUARY.

SO MOVING ON TO PROPOSITION C, WHICH INCLUDES OVER 47 MILLION DOLLARS TO CONSTRUCT, IMPROVE AND REPAIR STORM DRAINAGE FACILITIES AND ADDRESS FLOODING PROTECTION, WE HAVE SIX PROJECTS AND ALL SIX OF THE DRAINAGE PROJECTS ARE CURRENTLY IN THE DESIGN STUDY PHASE, AND THERE ARE FOUR PROGRAMS AS WELL.

AND JUST AS A REMINDER, AS A PRECURSOR TO THE DESIGN PHASE FOR THESE DRAINAGE PROJECTS, ALL PROJECTS ARE INITIATED WITH DRAINAGE STUDIES WHICH ANALYZE EXISTING CONDITIONS, DEVELOP IMPROVEMENT ALTERNATIVES AND INCLUDE OPINIONS OF PROBABLE CONSTRUCTION COST.

SO FOR COUNTRY CLUB PARK ESTATES.

THE COUNTRY CLUB PARK ESTATES STUDY IS THE FIRST TO BE COMPLETED.

AND AS OF THIS MONTH, WE ARE EVALUATING ALTERNATIVES FOR DESIGN FOR GARVON WEST INDUSTRIAL PARK.

WE ARE ALSO EVALUATING ALTERNATIVES AND THAT ONE IS ON THE 90 PERCENT SUBMITTAL AND STUDY COMPLETION AS ANTICIPATED IN MAY.

FOR SATURN'S SPRINGS ESTATES THE 60 PERCENT DRAINAGE STUDIES, THE MIDDLE WAS RECEIVED LAST MONTH IN MARCH AND STUDY COMPLETION AS ANTICIPATED IN MAY THERE AS WELL.

AND THEN FOR THE LAST THREE PROJECTS, WHICH ARE MONTCLAIR NUMBER TWO AND THREE LAKEWOOD ADDITIONS AND WESTERN HEIGHTS NUMBER FOUR, WE HAVE RECEIVED THE 30 PERCENT DRAINAGE STUDY SUBMITTALS FOR EACH OF THOSE AND STUDY COMPLETION FOR EACH OF THOSE IS ANTICIPATED IN JUNE.

AND SO WITH THAT, I WILL TEMPORARILY TURN IT BACK OVER TO LAURA.

THANK YOU, KALLIE.

PROPOSITION D INCLUDES ALMOST 118MILLION IN FUNDING TO RENOVATE, CONSTRUCT, DEVELOP, IMPROVE AND EXPAND OUR PARK AND REC FACILITIES.

PROJECTS ANTICIPATED INCLUDE IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR REC CENTERS, AQUATIC FACILITIES, TRAILS, PARKING LOTS, ROADS, SPORTS FIELDS, PLAYGROUNDS AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SUPPORTS OUR PARKS AND REC FACILITIES.

THERE ARE A TOTAL OF EIGHT PROJECTS AND SIX PROGRAMS. OF THE EIGHT PROJECTS, THREE ARE IN DESIGN.

THREE ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND TWO ARE COMPLETE.

GOING INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON SOME OF THE PROJECTS, HOLLABAUGH REC CENTER ONBOARDED A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK LAST OCTOBER, SCHEMATIC DESIGN IS UNDERWAY AND ANTICIPATED TO BE COMPLETE THIS SUMMER.

THE GARLAND SENIOR ACTIVITY CENTER ALSO ONBOARDED A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR.

THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN PHASE WAS COMPLETED IN NOVEMBER AND JUST FINISHED THE DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT PHASE.

THIS PROJECT IS NOW ADVANCING TO THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT PHASE, AND CONSTRUCTION IS ANTICIPATED TO START BY THE END OF THE YEAR FOR HOLFORD REC CENTER AND AQUATICS FACILITY.

IT STARTED DESIGN IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.

PROGRAMING IS NOW UNDERWAY IN DESIGN.

EFFORTS WILL CONTINUE THIS YEAR.

A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK WAS ALSO RECENTLY ONBOARDED LAST MONTH.

FOR THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE, I'M PLEASED TO REPORT THAT WE ARE ON TRACK FOR CONSTRUCTION TO START LATER THIS YEAR.

AND WHILE IT'S HARD TO EXPLAIN ALL THE DETAILS THAT GO INTO CREATING CONSTRUCTION READY PLANS, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TIRELESSLY BEHIND THE SCENES AND WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE HOME STRETCH OF THE 90 PERCENT DESIGN PACKAGE.

THIS MONTH WE'VE BEGUN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES TO TALK ABOUT THE PRELIMINARY SEQUENCING OF CONSTRUCTION IMMEDIATELY AROUND THE SQUARE.

AND ONCE BUILDING EFFORTS START LATER THIS SUMMER, WE WILL BE UPDATING EVERYONE WITH MORE DETAILS ON HOW WE PLAN TO APPROACH THE CONSTRUCTION.

SWITCHING GEARS BACK TO PROPOSITION A FOR A MOMENT.

THE STREETS CATALYST AREA PROGRAM ALLOWS FOR US TO FINISH OUT THE STREETSCAPE

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CONNECTIONS IN THE BROADER AREA DOWNTOWN, CONNECTING THE SQUARE TO WALNUT, 5TH, AVENUE A, AND GLENBROOK.

AND WHILE WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE DETAILS OF HOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF THESE 14 TO 15 BLOCKS WILL BE SEQUENCED, WE DO KNOW THAT IT WILL BE DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE THAT'S STARTING LATER THIS YEAR.

HIGHLIGHTING A COUPLE OF OUR TRAILS PROJECTS DESIGN IS UNDERWAY ON DUCK CREEK TRAIL AND ACHIEVE THE 60 PERCENT DESIGN SUBMITTAL LAST MONTH.

THE 90 PERCENT DESIGN SUBMITTAL IS EXPECTED IN LATE 2021.

AND WHILE DESIGN PLANS ARE COMPLETE ON THE BISBEE TRAIL, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH DALLAS COUNTY TO MAXIMIZE FUNDING FOR SEVERAL OF OUR TRAIL PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

SO I WOULD STAY TUNED FOR AN UPDATE ON WHEN THIS WILL ADVANCE TO OUR CONSTRUCTION PHASE.

ALSO, PART OF PROPOSITION D IS THE PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT PROGRAM, WHERE WE WILL BE INSTALLING TWENTY FIVE NEW PLAYGROUNDS, ALONG WITH OTHER IMPROVEMENTS AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE REPLACEMENT OF MANY OF OUR PLAYGROUND STRUCTURES THAT ARE CURRENTLY MORE THAN 20 YEARS OLD.

CONSTRUCTION IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY ON PACKAGE ONE, AND THE NINE LOCATIONS WILL BE COMPLETED IN A ROLLING WAVE BETWEEN THE MIDDLE OF THIS YEAR AND EARLY NEXT YEAR.

FOR PACKAGE TWO THE FINAL DESIGN SUBMITTAL OCCURRED THIS MONTH, AND CONSTRUCTION IS EXPECTED TO START LATER THIS SUMMER.

IF YOU'LL RECALL, THE GROUNDBREAKING FOR BOB HALL PARK WAS PART OF BUILD GARLAND DAY AND KALLIE IS GOING TO PLAY A VIDEO CLIP TO SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT OF THE PROGRESS THAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE THEN.

AS A REMINDER, HERE'S A LIST OF HOW THE PLAYGROUNDS ARE DIVIDED INTO THREE PACKAGES, AGAIN, WITH THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OCCURRING IN A ROLLING WAVE.

CONSTRUCTION IS WELL UNDERWAY AT THE AUDUBON REC CENTER AND IS ANTICIPATED TO BE COMPLETE THIS SUMMER.

ONCE THE CONTRACTOR IS DONE THERE ARE A FEW MORE FINISHING TOUCHES BEFORE WE'RE READY TO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

SO STAY TUNED FOR AN ANNOUNCEMENT ON THE REOPENING DATE.

AND THE GROUNDBREAKING AT RICK ODEN WAS ALSO PART OF BUILD GARLAND DAY IN JANUARY, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PICTURES HERE, THERE'S LOTS OF DIRT MOVING AND CONSTRUCTION IS UNDERWAY.

PHASE 1A WILL WRAP UP THIS SUMMER AND CONSTRUCTION WILL START ON PHASE 1B.

PHASE 1B INCLUDES BASEBALL FIELDS, TRAILS, A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, SPOT FOR FOOD TRUCKS, RESTROOMS AND A PAVILION.

AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO KALLIE.

THANK YOU, LAURA, AND COUNCIL WILL BE HAPPY TO HEAR THAT WE, OUR LAST SWITCHING OVER.

SO PROPOSITION E, THIS PROPOSITION INCLUDES 21 MILLION DOLLARS TO ACQUIRE, IMPROVE, EXPAND, RENOVATE AND EQUIP LIBRARY FACILITIES.

IN THIS PROPOSITION, WE HAVE TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE UPCOMING AND THREE PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY.

WALNUT CREEK LIBRARY BRANCH WE JUST CELEBRATED WITH A SIGN RAISING DURING BUILD GARLAND DAY, AND THE DESIGN CONTRACT WAS AWARDED IN JANUARY.

AND ARCHITECTURAL PROGRAMING IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY FOR CENTRAL LIBRARY.

WE'VE MET SEVERAL MILESTONES SINCE OUR LAST UPDATE, INCLUDING STARTING THE DESIGN STUDY.

YOU [INAUDIBLE] PRECONSTRUCTION SERVICES AWARD AND THE DESIGN CONTRACT AWARD.

AND WE CAN EXPECT TO SEE CONSTRUCTION HERE BEGIN LATE THIS YEAR.

AND AS FOR THE LIBRARY KIOSKS, IMPLEMENTATION IS PLANNED TO BEGIN LATER THIS YEAR.

MOVING ON TO PROPOSITION G MUNICIPAL FACILITIES, WHERE WE HAVE SIX MILLION DOLLARS TO CONSTRUCT, IMPROVE, RENOVATE AND EQUIP EXISTING MUNICIPAL FACILITIES.

PROJECTS ANTICIPATED INCLUDE RENOVATION AND IMPROVEMENT OF THE STREETS DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS TRANSPORTATION, MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS FACILITIES.

BOTH OF THOSE ARE CURRENTLY IN DESIGN.

HOWEVER, THERE'S A LITTLE ASTERISK FOR SIDE NOTE AS WE GET INTO THE DETAILS FOR THE STREET DEPARTMENT FACILITY DESIGN IS UNDERWAY AND ANTICIPATED TO FINISH UP LATER THIS YEAR.

AND THEN A SIDE NOTE THAT I MENTIONED.

WHILE TRANSPORTATION, MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS FACILITY IS CONSIDERED AND CURRENTLY IN DESIGN.

THE DEPARTMENT DID JUST RECENTLY MOVE INTO TEMPORARY FACILITIES IN PREPARATION FOR CONSTRUCTION.

AND THAT IS BECAUSE THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT IS ANTICIPATED TO BE AWARDED

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TOMORROW AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.

SO CONSTRUCTION WILL BEGIN ON THIS PROJECT VERY SOON.

AND FOR PROPOSITION H, THE ANIMAL SHELTER WHERE WE HAVE 12 MILLION DOLLARS TO CONSTRUCT A MODERN ANIMAL SHELTER AND ADOPTION FACILITY THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

AND THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF CONSTRUCTION PACKAGES AWARDED SINCE WE LAST UPDATED YOU ALL, AND WHILE WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE CONTRACTOR WILL BE DONE WITH THEIR PART OF CONSTRUCTION BY THE END OF THE YEAR, THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO AFTERWARDS TO GET THE FACILITY READY TO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC IN EARLY 2022.

SO THAT IS ALL THAT WE HAVE FOR YOU ALL ASIDE FROM THIS REMINDER THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS CHECK THE STATUS OF THE PROJECTS AT BUILDGARLAND.COM.

AND AT THIS POINT, WE WOULD LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE.

YOU CAN UNSHARE FOR ME SO I CAN SEE EVERYBODY.

VERY GOOD, COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT LON WYNNE PARK AND WHERE WE ARE.

MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THAT WAS GOING TO GET DONE BY I THOUGHT BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.

I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO DOVETAIL A NUMBER OF PROJECTS INTO THAT.

WE HAVE THE KIOSKS.

WE HAVE THE DUCK CREEK TRAIL.

WE HAVE PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT, AND THEN WE HAVE A SPLASH PAD.

AND I JUST SAW I DON'T REMEMBER THE PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT BEING SAID.

I THINK THAT THE SLIDE I JUST SAW SHOWED IT FOR 2023.

AND I FOR SOME REASON, MY RECOLLECTION WAS THAT THAT WAS ALL HAPPENING BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.

BUT PERHAPS IF I HAVE MISREMEMBERED, SOMEONE CAN REFRESH ME ON THE TIMELINE THERE.

OK, I SEE LOTS OF FACES, LET'S SEE WHO JUMPS IN.

I CAN ANSWER THAT, IF YOU LIKE, SO I BELIEVE YOU HAVE ON CONSENT FOR TOMORROW'S CONSIDERATION, IS THE DESIGN CONTRACT FOR LON WYNNE.

IF IT HADN'T ALREADY BEEN EXECUTED, WE HAVE TO CHECK BACK.

BUT IT IS A DESIGN PROCESS WILL BEGIN PRETTY QUICKLY ON THAT TO INCORPORATE BECAUSE IT BEGAN WITH THE PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT.

AND THEN AS THE OTHER PROJECTS CAME ONLINE WITH SPLASH PADS AND THE LIBRARY KIOSK, IT MADE SENSE FOR THAT CONTRACTOR, OR THAT DESIGNER TO HANDLE ALL OF THAT UNDER ONE UMBRELLA.

SO THAT DESIGN WILL START IMMEDIATELY UPON EXECUTION OF THE CONTRACT AND TAKE PROBABLY THE BULK OF THE YEAR TO GET THAT DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION STARTING SHORTLY AFTER THAT.

SO WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING MORE LIKE END OF 2022 THEN FOR THOSE THAT OR? I'LL PROBABLY NEED TO CHECK THE MOST RECENT SCHEDULE.

THAT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A MOVING TARGET JUST BECAUSE OF PUTTING ALL THOSE PROJECTS TOGETHER AND GETTING THE CONTRACT IN.

BUT I WOULD ANTICIPATE, I WOULD THINK EARLY IN TWENTY TWO, I BELIEVE, WAS WHEN THAT'S SCHEDULED TO START.

TO BREAK DOWN, AND I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE NOTES RIGHT HERE QUICKLY, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS SOMETIME EARLY 2022.

OK, THANK YOU.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THE BOND PROJECT STATUS ? SEEING NONE.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS A GREAT RUN-THROUGH OF A LOT OF MOVING PARTS AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING SEEMS TO KEEP MOVING.

SO THAT'S GREAT.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ALL FOCUSED ON, IS CHECKING OFF EVERY LINE ITEM ON THAT BOND LIST.

SO YOU'RE KEEPING THOSE PROJECTS MOVING AND KEEPING US MOVING ON THEM IS CERTAINLY PART OF THAT.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCNEAL? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR ANDY AND THE TEAM AND RICK.

I KNOW AS WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT ALL THE UPGRADES, ALL THE FACILITIES THAT'S COMING ONLINE.

FROM A MARKETING PERSPECTIVE, ARE WE PUSHING THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THE VISITORS BUREAU SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE SOME OF THAT PREPARED AS PEOPLE MAY BE CHECKING IN WITH THEM SO THAT THEY COULD SEE WHAT'S COMING? YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYTHING IS THROUGH THE PMO OFFICE IS COORDINATING WITH THE PMR OFFICE, PUBLIC MEDIA RELATIONS.

I KNOW THAT WE ALSO LIKE TO PROMOTE PRETTY PICTURES WHEN WE CAN ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA, WHETHER IT'S PROGRESS PHOTOS OR COMPLETION PHOTOS.

SO I THINK THERE'S ADEQUATE PUSH TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS KNOW WHAT'S OUT THERE AND WHAT'S COMING ONLINE SOON.

AND I KNOW, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD, RICK.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT ALONG WITH THE IMPACT OF THESE FACILITIES, IF THEY'RE CLOSED AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO IMPACT THEIR NORMAL CUSTOMERS.

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SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO ATTACK IT FROM BOTH ANGLES RIGHT, GET THEM PREPARED FOR THEIR CLOSURES AND THOSE IMPACTS, AS WELL AS ANY UPDATES ON OPENINGS AND WHAT WE'LL BE DOING.

AND DEFINITELY JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE JUST CONTINUE TO BUILD THAT EXCITEMENT, YOU KNOW, SORT OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, AT CHRISTMAS TIME.

YOU KNOW, EVERYONE KNOWS COME OCTOBER, YOU KNOW, CHRISTMASES, 30 DAYS, 45, 50 DAYS AWAY.

SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP OUR CITIZENS AND SOME OF THOSE WHO MAY BE CHECKING IN FROM OUTSIDE AS THINGS BEGIN TO OPEN UP SO THEY KNOW WHAT GREAT THINGS ARE HAPPENING HERE IN THE CITY.

SO WE CAN REALLY MAKE SURE THAT WE [INAUDIBLE].

SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR THAT COORDINATION.

SIR.

I GUESS [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I WANT TO THANK RICK AND ANDY AND ALL THE CREW THAT HAS BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB ON THESE PROJECTS.

THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY.

YES, AND THANK YOU FOR ALL OF US FROM ALL OF US.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONTINUED UPDATES AND THE CONTINUED PROGRESS.

COUNCIL WITH THAT, WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE A QUICK RECESS.

LET'S HAVE EVERYBODY BACK ONLINE AT EIGHT, 10, PLEASE, EIGHT, 10.

WELL, GOOD EVENING, WE ARE COMING BACK FROM RECESS AT THE APRIL 19TH, 2021 WORK SESSION FOR THE GARLAND CITY COUNCIL.

WE ARE COMING BACK TO ITEM 4D 2021-22 DISCUSSION OF THE

[4D. 2021-2022 Discussion of the Community Development Block Grant (CDBG), HOME and Emergency Solutions Grant (ESG) Federal Grant Allocations]

COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, HOME AND ESG GRANT ALLOCATIONS.

MONA, YOU'RE BACK WITH US AGAIN.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN SO WE CAN GET TO THE PRESENTATION HERE.

LET'S SEE SLIDESHOW FROM HERE, ALL RIGHT.

CAN EVERYONE SEE THAT? YES.

FIRST OFF, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I NEED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING THAT I SAID EARLIER REGARDING DEPARTMENTAL CDBG APPLICATIONS.

I MISSPOKE WHEN I SAID THAT WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY OTHER APPLICATIONS FOR CDBG FROM CITY DEPARTMENTS.

WE DID.

I JUST DID NOT GET ANY APPLICATIONS FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR A CITY PARK PROJECT.

SO, AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

IF IT CAUSED ANY CONFUSION.

I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY THAT.

I JUST MISSPOKE AND I MEANT TO SAY ONE THING AND SOMETHING DIFFERENT WAS SAID.

SO I APOLOGIZE.

HAPPENS ALL THE TIME TO EVERYBODY.

WELL, LET'S, IT'S THAT TIME OF YEAR, AGAIN.

LET'S START WITH OUR 21-22 FEDERAL GRANT FUNDING.

THIS FUNDING WILL BE AVAILABLE TO US TO BEGIN USING ON OCTOBER 1.

TONIGHT, COUNCIL'S BEING ASKED TO BEGIN THE PROCESS OF MAKING DECISIONS ON HOW TO ALLOCATE IT AND APPROVE SOME OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

IF COUNCIL CHOOSES TO DO SO.

TO DATE, WE'VE HAD ONE WRITTEN BRIEFING THAT INCLUDED A WORKBOOK THAT YOU GUYS RECEIVED ON APRIL 5TH.

AND WE ALSO HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON APRIL 6TH.

WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION AFTER TONIGHT ON MAY 3RD WITH HOPEFULLY THE FINAL ALLOCATION APPROVAL BEING AT THE REGULAR SESSION ON MAY 4TH.

TO START OFF WITH OUR BIG GRANT, WE ARE ANTICIPATING GETTING $2,187,595.

WE HAD SOME CARRYOVER FUNDING IN THE AMOUNT OF TO SEVENTY ONE ONE THIRTY FIVE.

THIS BREAKS OUT TO TWENTY PERCENT OF ADMINISTRATION GOES TO ADMINISTRATION FUNDING OF FOR THIRTY SEVEN FIVE NINETEEN.

THE MAXIMUM WE CAN PUT TOWARDS PUBLIC SERVICE IS 15 PERCENT AND THAT COMES OUT TO BE $328,139.

AND THEN THE REST OF IT WE USE FOR CITY SPONSORED PROJECTS WHICH IS ONE $1,693,071.

THIS SLIDE IS ALL OF OUR PUBLIC SERVICE APPLICATIONS COUNCIL WAS GIVEN A WORKSHEET TO PROVIDE TO ME SO WE CAN DO AN AVERAGE OF ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I RECEIVED.

THE VERY LAST COLUMN ON THE RIGHT IS THE AVERAGED AMOUNT FROM THE COUNCIL SUBMITTED WORKSHEETS.

I'LL GO THROUGH THEM QUICKLY.

POLICE BOXING.

THE AVERAGE AMOUNT TO ALLOCATE IS $27,250.

THE GARLAND ELDERLY YARD CARE PROGRAM $22,774.

THE GARLAND PARK STARS PROGRAM.

$30,401.

THE ACHIEVEMENT CENTER OF TEXAS CAME OUT TO $57,781.

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FOR HOPE CLINIC, THE AVERAGED AMOUNT WAS $80,500.

HOPE'S DOOR NEW BEGINNING CENTER WAS $33,535.

THE COUNSELING INSTITUTE OF TEXAS AVERAGED OUT TO BE $16,250.

THE MEALS ON WHEELS PROGRAM IS $10,701.

THE SALVATION ARMY RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM IS $28,769.

THE GARLAND SENIOR OMBUDSMAN PROGRAM IS $16,690 AND THEN OUR TWO NEW APPLICANTS THAT WE RECEIVED ON.

THE FIRST ONE IS THE MOTEL VOUCHER PROGRAM FOR THAT RESTORATION CHURCH PROPOSED TO DO.

THAT AVERAGED TO BE $1,461.

AND THEN THE SUMMER YOUTH CAMP FROM THE SAME ENTITY, RESTORATION CHURCH, AVERAGED OUT TO BE $2,000 AND THAT BROUGHT US TO OUR MAXIMUM AVAILABLE OF $329,139.

SO THIS IS WHAT I PUT FORTH BEFORE COUNCIL, AS WE'VE DONE IN PRIOR YEARS, IS JUST AN AVERAGE OF EVERYTHING THAT I RECEIVED.

AND COUNCIL HAS THE OPTION TO ACCEPT THE AVERAGE OR TO MOVE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

THE NEXT SLIDE, WE HAVE ARE OUR CITY PROJECT APPLICATIONS, WE HAD AN APPLICATION FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR $250,000, AND THEN WE HAD OUR CORE PROGRAMS FROM THE HOUSING COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT OF TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THE MINOR REPAIR ELDERLY PROGRAM AND FOR SINGLE FAMILY REHAB.

WE HAD THREE HUNDRED FORTY THREE THOUSAND SEVENTY ONE DOLLARS.

WE ALSO RECEIVED AN APPLICATION FROM THE LIBRARY FOR TWO KIOSK, ONE FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA FOR FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS, AND LON WYNNE PARK FOR FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS.

WE RECEIVED AN APPLICATION FROM HABITAT FOR HUMANITY TO DO A REHABILITATION PROGRAM FOR TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND.

STAFF DID NOT RECOMMEND THAT PROJECT SIMPLY BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO OTHER PROGRAMS DOING THE SAME THING.

FOR THE HOME INFILL FUNDING, THIS FUNDING IS DEDICATING TO BUILDING HOUSES IN THE CITY OF GARLAND.

THIS YEAR WE'RE SLATED TO RECEIVE $701,303 IN NEW FUNDING.

OUT OF THAT, 10 PERCENT IS AVAILABLE FOR ADMINISTRATION OF THE PROGRAM, WHICH IS $70,130.

THE MAXIMUM I CAN GIVE TO A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT HOUSING ORGANIZATION IS 15 PERCENT, AND THAT'S $105,195.

AND THAT MONEY WILL GO TO HABITAT FOR HUMANITY.

THEY DID PUT IN AN APPLICATION FOR THAT.

AND THEN WE HAVE FOUR NEW PROJECTS, NEW CONSTRUCTION AND DOWN PAYMENT SYSTEMS. FIVE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY EIGHT DOLLARS.

CURRENTLY, I JUST WANTED TO LET COUNCIL KNOW WE HAVE FOUR ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS UNDERWAY AND WE HAVE TWO THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO BEGIN.

OUR NEXT SLIDE IS FOR THE EMERGENCY SOLUTIONS GRANT.

THIS GRANT IS DEDICATED TO HOMELESS SERVICES.

WE ARE GOING TO RECEIVE IN OUR NORMAL ENTITLEMENT FUNDING ONE HUNDRED NINETY THREE THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR DOLLARS.

OF THAT, SEVEN POINT FIVE PERCENT GOES TOWARDS ADMINISTRATION OF $14,115 FOR OUR SHELTER OUTREACH.

WE HAD AN APPLICANT FOR HOPE'S DOOR NEW BEGINNING THEY DID TWO APPLICATIONS, BUT IT WAS JUST ONE PROGRAM FOR $112,919 FOR RAPID REHOUSING.

AGAIN, IT'S HOPE'S DOOR NEW BEGINNING CENTER FOR $57,701.

AND THEN WE HAVE OUR REQUIRED DATA COLLECTION CONTRACT FOR THE HMIS SYSTEM THAT ALL CITIES ARE REQUIRED TO PAY INTO, AND THAT'S FOR GARLAND, THAT'S $8,909.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY COMMENTS, ANY CONCERNS, ANYTHING YOU ENCOUNTER.

YOU CAN UNSHARE YOUR SCREEN FOR ME.

COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE TURNED DOWN APPLICATIONS FOR LESS THAN FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS BECAUSE THE ADMINISTRATIVE OVERHEAD.

I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER RUN INTO A SCENARIO WHERE THE COUNCIL HAS SUGGESTED AN AMOUNT LESS THAN FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS LOOKING AT THE RESTORATION CHURCH PROJECTS.

SO IN THAT CASE, I WOULD SERIOUSLY WANT TO CONSIDER MOVING THAT FUNDING FROM RESTORATION TO ONE OF THE OTHER PROJECTS JUST TO KIND OF FIT THE INTENT OF THE IDEA THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO TRY AND DO OVERSIGHT ON REALLY, REALLY SMALL CONTRACTS AND AGREEMENTS.

AND ON THIS ONE, IT SEEMS LIKE.

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I HAVE THE FEELING THERE WERE A LOT OF ZEROS FROM A LOT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYBE ONE COUNCIL MEMBER, TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS PUT IN SOME NUMBERS AND THAT'S WHAT GAVE US A SMALL AMOUNT.

AND SO I'M NOT SURE AT WHAT POINT WE'RE DECIDING AS A MAJORITY TO CONTRIBUTE TO A NEW APPLICANT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS EVERY YEAR, SO I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT THE PROCESS IS BAD, WE'RE JUST HITTING NEW CHALLENGES EACH TIME WE DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT , SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

AS FAR AS WHERE I WOULD PUT THAT MONEY.

WE KNOW THAT OUR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CALLS ARE UP DUE TO COVID.

SO I WOULD SAY EITHER IN A HOPE STORE OR COUNSELING INSTITUTE TYPE OF PROGRAM TO DEAL WITH KIND OF THE SIDE EFFECTS OF COVID.

BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

THANK YOU, SIR.COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR MONA AND THEN A COMMENT.

[INAUDIBLE] ON THE SLIDE WHERE YOU HAVE THE HOUSING FOR SENIORS, I THINK, THIS WAS YOUR SECOND SLIDE.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE FOR A MINUTE? WE HAD THE MINOR WORK, THE MINOR REPAIRS FOR SENIORS.

YES, HANG ON, LET ME RESHARE MY SCREEN HERE.

SORRY, TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES HERE, SORRY.

OK, TAKE YOUR TIME, TAKE YOUR TIME, SHARED, UNSHARED.

ALL RIGHT, CAN YOU SEE THAT? YES, I CAN SAY IT BETTER, EVEN WITH MY GLASSES ON, BELIEVE IT, BUT MY GLASSES OFF.

DO WE HAVE ON THAT SECOND ITEM THE AMOUNT OF HOME REPAIRS.

DO WE HAVE A HISTORY ON ACTUAL EXPENDITURES FOR LET'S SAY LAST COUPLE OF YEARS? YES, SIR, I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU, I DIDN'T.

I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S IN THIS PRESENTATION, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO GET THAT FOR YOU.

WE DO HAVE TO TURN IN OUR ACTUAL EXPENDITURES EVERY YEAR FOR THAT PROGRAM AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

YEAH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO AND YOU AND YOU CAN DO IT OFFLINE.

YOU CAN SEND ME PROBABLY JUST SOME HISTORY.

ON THOSE THAT ARE ON THAT FIGURE SLIDE.

I'D APPRECIATE IT.

OK, JUST THE MINOR REPAIR PROGRAM? WELL, SINCE YOU'VE GOT IT UP THERE ON ALL THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE ON THAT PARTICULAR SLOT, THE TOP ONE.

I'D BE HAPPY TO.

VERY TOP ONE.

NOW, THE KIOSK PROJECTS FOR THE LIBRARIES ARE NEW PROGRAMS, BUT THE TOP THREE I CAN DO THAT.

I CAN DO THAT.

BIGGEST GUESS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THAT ONE EXCEPT FOR THE KIOSK PROGRAM.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO GET IT TO YOU.

AND THE PROGRAMS WHERE THERE'S A HISTORY.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO GET THAT FOR YOU.

GREAT.

AND MY COMMENT IS REGARDING THE NEW APPLICANT GETTING BACK TO ON THE RESTORATION CHURCH, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS AND THEY CAME BACK TO US WITH I THINK THEY'VE GOT TWO NEW PROGRAMS. THAT THEY ARE PUSHING ONE IS A YOUTH CAMP AND THE OTHER IS FOR MOTEL VOUCHERS OR EMERGENCY HOUSING.

WHAT IF WE MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WITH THE AMOUNT THAT'S SHOWN FOR THE LAST ITEM, THE MOTEL VOUCHERS, THAT WE ROLL THAT INTO SUPPORTING THEM FOR THE YOUTH PROGRAM.

AND RATHER THAN REDISTRIBUTE IT, [INAUDIBLE] PARTICULARLY GLAD TO SEE ORGANIZATIONS WITH YOUTH PROGRAMS, AND I KNOW WE'VE GOT SEVERAL ON HERE, BUT I REALLY THINK THAT THOSE [INAUDIBLE] AND WHAT I WOULD JUST SIMPLY SUGGEST IS THAT RATHER THAN TRYING TO KIND OF SPREAD IT AMONG BOTH OF THEIR PROGRAMS, THAT WE NOT DO THAT IN LINE WITH WHAT THE COUNCILMAN SMITH, BUT THEN WE TAKE THE MOTEL VOUCHER NUMBERS AND ROLL THOSE INTO THEIR NEW PROGRAM FOR THE YOUTH.

I'M ALWAYS ENCOURAGED WHEN WE'VE GOT A NEW ORGANIZATION, YOU KNOW, TO COME ON BOARD, YOU KNOW, AND TO DO OUTREACH, VOLUNTEER WORK FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.

THANKS VERY MUCH MR. MAYOR.

YEAH, COUNCILMAN SMITH'S POINT IS WELL TAKEN THAT THE COSTS OF OVERSEEING THESE TINY AMOUNTS OF HELP, WHICH ARE NOWHERE NEAR WHAT THE RESTORATION CHURCH EVEN ASKED FOR, MIGHT BE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.

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SO, MONA, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? EVEN IF WE DID WHAT COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS JUST SUGGESTED AND COMBINE THOSE TWO, IT'S STILL UNDER FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS.

SO HOW IS THAT ON YOUR END AS FAR AS ADMINISTRATING IT? ANYTHING FOR OUR END IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF WORK FOR A FIVE HUNDRED DOLLAR APPLICATION AS IT IS FOR A SIXTY THOUSAND DOLLAR APPLICATION.

AND I'M NOT SURE WHICH YOUR COUNCIL STATED THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS.

I DO REMEMBER THAT, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER.

I APOLOGIZE.

I DON'T REMEMBER THE YEAR.

IT DOES CREATE A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK FOR A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY, WHICH IS ANYTHING UNDER FIVE THOUSAND, AND THAT'S THE THRESHOLD WE CAME UP WITH.

BUT IT IS UP TO COUNCIL AS TO HOW THEY WANT TO ALLOCATE THE FUNDING.

SO I'M HAPPY TO DO WHATEVER COUNCIL PLEASES ON THESE TWO, THIS NEW APPLICATION.

IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF WORK FOR A SMALL AMOUNT AS IT IS A LARGE AMOUNT.

AND I KNOW THE REASONING FOR THAT WAS TO GET FREE AT SOME TIME FOR OUR DEPARTMENT TO FOCUS ON THE OTHER PROGRAMS AND TO GIVE THE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED SOME MORE FUNDING.

BUT I'M OPEN TO DO WHATEVER COUNCIL DECIDES.

OK, YEAH, AND IF WE NEED TO HAVE A POLICY MOVING FORWARD THAT WE HAVE A FLOOR OF FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS AND JUST MAKE THAT SOMETHING THAT'S UNDERSTOOD, THEN I THINK THAT WOULD , OF COURSE, YOU NEVER CAN TELL BY THE TIME AVERAGING COMES OUT WHERE THINGS WILL LAND.

BUT I WOULD BE WILLING TO TO SUPPORT COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS' SUGGESTION TO PUSH THE SMALLER AMOUNT INTO THE SUMMER YOUTH CAMP AND TO GIVE A NEW APPLICANT A SHOT TO SEE WHAT THEY DO WITH IT AND WHETHER WE EVER WANT TO DEAL WITH THEM AGAIN.

SO I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I AM ON THAT.

AND IF, I WOULD ALSO BE SUPPORTIVE, IF IT'S THE WILL OF COUNCIL FOR US TO JUST TAKE THOSE TWO SMALL AMOUNTS AND DISPERSE THEM ELSEWHERE.

BUT I DO AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS THAT SOMETIMES IT'S GOOD TO HAVE FRESH BLOOD COME IN AND JUST SEE HOW THEY PERFORM.

THAT THIS HAS BEEN THE POLICY, THE FIVE THOUSAND HAS BEEN THE POLICY FOR I DON'T KNOW, FOUR YEARS NOW? I THINK WE INSTITUTED IT THE YEAR AFTER I FIRST CAME ON THE COUNCIL.

I BELIEVE PART OF THAT WAS AT THE REQUEST OF STAFF, BECAUSE WE HAD TOO MANY PROGRAMS AND WE HAD PROGRAMS THAT WERE NINE HUNDRED DOLLARS AND TWELVE HUNDRED DOLLARS AND, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND THAT WAS KIND OF THE NUMBER OF REQUESTS WE WERE GETTING.

I DON'T THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO GO BACK TO THEM.

I FEEL, YOU KNOW, WHERE THIS STUFF GETS WRITTEN DOWN AND I HOPE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S COMMITTED TO INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY.

SEEING AS MINE SEEMS TO FADE BY THE DAY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS IT'S BEEN A PRETTY CLEAR POLICY NOW FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

AND I UNDERSTAND IT USED TO BE FOR A WHILE.

IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE ACTUALLY AND I DON'T RECALL IS WHAT IS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE PUT INTO THE MATERIALS.

BUT FOR A WHILE, I THOUGHT IT WAS SOMETHING WE FLAT OUT PUT INTO THE MATERIALS.

[INAUDIBLE] PUT IT IN THE MATERIALS.

AND IT'S WRITTEN IN THE POLICY.

BUT I DID RECEIVE SOME ALLOCATIONS FROM COUNCIL, SO.

NO, I UNDERSTAND AND WITHOUT, YOU KNOW.

SO I THINK IT'S A REASONABLE POLICY.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY KNOW ON A SIXTY THOUSAND DOLLAR ASK IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIRTY FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS, NOT ONLY IS IT AN ADMINISTRATION ISSUE, BUT ARE WE REALLY EVEN HELPING? I MEAN, DOES THIS PROGRAM GO OR NOT GO? YOU KNOW BASED ON THAT, YOU KNOW, FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLAR SHORTFALL OR IS THAT JUST A WISH LIST THING? I DON'T KNOW.

BUT ANYWAY, MY INCLINATION WOULD BE TO STAY WITH THE POLICY UNLESS WE HAVE SOME REASON.

WE'VE GOT, I DON'T KNOW, 10 OR SO OTHER.

TEN OR SO OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE ARE FUNDING, I DON'T THINK ADDING TWO OR ONE ADDITIONAL ONE I DON'T THINK ONLY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO CHANGE THAT POLICY NOW.

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YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO MAKE ONE OF THESE FIVE, WE DID THAT ONE YEAR.

WE MOVED SOME MONEY TO MAKE ONE OF ONE QUALIFY AT FIVE THOUSAND ONE OF THE MATTHEW 2540 PROJECTS.

AND IF SOMEONE WAS INTERESTED IN DOING THAT, IF SOMEONE WANTED TO.

YOU KNOW, TAKE FROM ONE OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS AND THEN I THINK WE COULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, BUT OTHERWISE I'D RATHER TAKE IT AND MOVE IT AS COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCNEAL? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I WOULD, I GUESS I, TOO, WOULD PREFER TO EXPAND OUR REACH.

OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS A NEW APPLICANT THAT WE CAN WORK WITH.

SO I'D LIKE THE SECOND PART OF COUNCILMAN AUBIN'S SUGGESTION WOULD BE IF WE WANT TO MODIFY ONE OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS TO BRING RESTORATION CHURCH UP TO THE FIVE THOUSAND MINIMUM.

IF WE'RE GOING TO STICK WITH THAT, OBVIOUSLY WE CHANGED POLICY NOT OFTEN, BUT WE DO HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL TO CHANGE POLICY, ESPECIALLY AS STAFF HAS INDICATED THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LABOR INTENSIVE ON THEM, THAT IT WOULD TAKE THE SAME, IT WOULD TAKE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME EFFORT TO ADMINISTER THAT PROGRAM.

SO SINCE, YOU KNOW, IT IS A NEW APPLICANT.

I WOULD SAY LET'S MODIFY ONE OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS TO GET US TO THAT FIVE THOUSAND DOLLAR THRESHOLD AND SEE HOW THAT IS SORT OF LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE CHILDREN, RIGHT? WHEN I HAD MY OLDER TWO GIRLS, I FED THEM, BUT THEN WHEN I HAD MY BABY DAUGHTER, SEVERAL YEARS LATER, WE ALSO FED HER TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE WAS NOURISHED AS WELL.

SO I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ABSOLUTELY AND ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INVESTED IN OUR YOUTH.

OBVIOUSLY, IF I DO THE MATH RIGHT, THAT IT WOULD PUT US MAYBE ABOUT FIFTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS SHORT OF THE FIVE THOUSAND DOLLAR THRESHOLD.

SO WE COULD MAYBE TRIM A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS OFF THE OTHER PROGRAMS TO GET US UP TO FIVE THOUSAND DOLLAR THRESHOLD.

BECAUSE, AGAIN, INVESTMENT THERE, OBVIOUSLY, ALL THESE ARE WORTHY APPLICANTS AND GREAT, THEN, OF COURSE, I THINK COUNCILMAN AUBIN MAY HAVE MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, WILL IT NOT WITH THE PROGRAM, NOT MAKE IT.

WE ONLY GIVE THEM FIVE K OBVIOUSLY DURING OPEN TESTIMONY.

THE APPLICANT CAN COME AND SHARE THOSE THOUGHTS, BUT AT LEAST BECAUSE THEY DID TAKE THE INITIATIVE TO TRY TO REACH OUT TO SAY THAT THEY HAD SOME WORTHY.

I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE KIND OF MODIFY THAT TO GET A FIVE THOUSAND THRESHOLD AND WORK FROM THERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

FIRST.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN AUBIN.

I WAS NOT AWARE OF THE FIVE THOUSAND DOLLAR POLICY CAP, SO THANKS FOR SHARING IT WITH ME.

AND I CERTAINLY WANT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT PUSHING IT TO BREAK THE POLICY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO I'LL DEFER TO THE POLICY.

BUT IF WE CAN [INAUDIBLE] SPLIT THE BABY IN HALF, IF WE CAN FIND THE DOLLARS PERHAPS TO BRING RESTORATION UP TO FIVE THOUSAND BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT EVEN SINCE I'VE BEEN BACK ON COUNCIL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALK ABOUT OFTEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, INCLUDING THE VACCINE, THE COVID, WE HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT AND PARTNERING WITH AND INVOLVING OUR FAITH COMMUNITY.

WE'VE GOT A LOT, WE HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT.

AND I'LL JUST SHOW THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO AND THIS PROCESS WITH THIS NEW PROGRAM AND WITH THIS GROUP, WITH THIS FAITH FAMILY, TO START THAT PARTNERSHIP NEW AND, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DON'T PERFORM, WE DO, JUST LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

BUT I WAS LOOKING JUST I WAS, MY THINKING HERE IS BEYOND JUST THE MONEY DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT ALSO WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO BUILD IN NOT JUST THIS, BUT MANY OF OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH ACTIVITIES.

WE'VE TALKED A LOT ON THIS COUNCIL ABOUT PARTNERING WITH THE FAITH COMMUNITY AND DOING THINGS WITH THE FAITH COMMUNITY AND FRANKLY, HAVING BEEN ON THAT SIDE OF THE RECEIVING END, HAVING WORKED WITH SMALLER CONGREGATIONS, I KNOW WHAT FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS MEANS A LOT.

FOR A SMALLER CONGREGATION.

IT'S YOU KNOW, FOR THEM, IT'S LIKE GETTING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

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SO BUT BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IF IT'S [INAUDIBLE] COUNCIL THAT WE FOLLOW THE POLICY, I CERTAINLY AM IN FAVOR OF DOING THAT.

BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD FIND SOME ROOM TO FUND THEIR YOUTH PROGRAM AND START THIS PARTNERSHIP AND MAKE THE FAITH COMMUNITY A PART OF THIS INITIATIVE.

SO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

MAYOR PRO TEM NICKERSON? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I, TOO, THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO TRY A NEW PROGRAM, I LIKE THE IDEA OF COMBINING THE TWO RESTORATION CHURCH DOLLARS AND GET TO THIRTY FOUR.

SIXTY ONE, AND WE TAKE ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY FOUR DOLLARS OUT OF EACH OF THE OTHER TEN AND WE GET TO FIVE THOUSAND ONE AND PROBABLY DON'T HURT ANYBODY BY DOING THAT.

AND SINCE WE GOT A LOT OF THESE NUMBERS THROUGH AVERAGING, I DON'T THINK A LITTLE MORE WORK ON IT WOULD HURT AND I THINK IT WOULD ACHIEVE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, KEEP OUR POLICY IN PLACE AND TRY OUT A NEW PROGRAM.

SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DO THAT TO THE NEW PROGRAM FOR SUMMER YOUTH CAMP FOR RESTORATION CHURCH, SEE IF WE CAN'T GET THERE.

[INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU, SIR.

COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH.

SORRY TO JUMP BACK IN ON THIS.

I LIKE WHERE YOU'RE GOING COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS. WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT WHEN WE GET READY TO APPROVE THESE TOTALS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN DO SOMETHING WITH THE 5K AND THAT THEY DON'T NEED SUBSTANTIALLY MORE TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM.

I'D BE WILLING TO VOTE EITHER DIRECTION AT THAT POINT.

SO IF THEY COME BACK, THEY SAY, YES, WE CAN DO THIS FOR 5K.

I'M HAPPY TO TAKE THAT HUNDRED AND FIFTY FOUR OUT OF EACH OF THE OTHER BUCKETS APPLY IT AND GET THEM OFF THE GROUND AND GET THEM GOING.

IF THEY SAY NO, WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS SUBSTANTIALLY MORE THAN THIS FOR A PROGRAM.

I'D LIKE TO JUST PROPOSE THAT WE TAKE THE EXTRA AND PUT IT INTO THE HOPE'S DOOR NEW BEGINNINGS BUCKET.

SO I LIKE HOW YOU'RE THINKING AND WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH IT.

LET'S JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN SUCCEED WITH THAT LOWER AMOUNT OF FUNDING.

JUST BRIEFLY, I CONCUR WITH MAYOR PRO TEM NICKERSON THAT WE CAN WHETHER IT'S BY SCRAPING ONE FIFTY FOUR OFF THE TOP OR WHETHER IT'S BY GOING TO SOME OTHER FORM OF ALLOCATION, MAYBE YOU GO TO THE TOP ONE OF HOPE CLINIC AND YOU KNOCK 1500 OFF THAT.

NOT TO SINGLE THEM OUT IN ANY BAD WAY OR ANYTHING YOU'RE JUST GETTING, TO GET THE TOP NUMBER ON WAS.

AND I THINK WE COME UP WITH THE 5000 NUMBER AND THEN I THINK WE REACH OUT TO THE CHURCH AND LET THEM TELL US WHICH OF THE TWO PROGRAMS THEY'D LIKE THAT MONEY TO GO TO.

YOU KNOW, YOU WANT WE WOULD RATHER HAVE THAT FOR THE VOUCHER PROGRAM OR FOR THE SUMMER YOUTH CAMP AND THEN LET IT GO AT THAT, GET THEIR TAKE ON AND COME BACK ON THIS IN A COUPLE WEEKS.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, OUT.

I'M ALL FOR OPEN UP TO ADDITIONAL AFRICA AND THE NEW AFRICAN AS WELL.

I'LL THROW IN ONE MORE ALLOCATION VERSION HERE.

IF WE TAKE TWO POINT FOUR SEVEN FOUR PERCENT OFF OF EACH ONE THAT GETS US, THERE ARE FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS.

THE PAIN IS SPREAD EQUALLY ACROSS.

EVERYONE CAN BE ONE HUNDRED TWENTY NINE BUCKS OFF THE BOXING PROGRAM, FOR INSTANCE, AND SEVENTY NINE BUCKS OFF THE GARLAND SENIOR OMBUDSMAN PROGRAM.

SO THERE EVERYONE IS EQUAL TO GET TO THAT FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS.

AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE MY MATH WITH EVERYONE LATER.

MONA, CAN I GET YOU TO UNSHARE YOUR SCREEN FOR ME? YES, SIR.

AND AS SOON AS I SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED IT BACK.

THAT'S OK.

MAYOR PRO TEM NICKERSON? WELL, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO RELENT TO THE YOUNGER ENGINEER IN THIS CALCULATION.

I KNEW THAT WAS COMING.

I DID MINE IN MY HEAD AND I DIDN'T HAVE A CALCULATOR.

SO BUT I'M FOR IT.

I THINK THE WHOLE POLICY I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S ALL A GOOD IDEA.

AND I APPRECIATE I THINK EVERYBODY'S GOT THE RIGHT HEART AND MIND SET ON THIS.

SO BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA THAT COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN JUST SAID, BUT LET'S TALK TO THEM AFTER WE GET THE FIVE THOUSAND AND SEE WHERE THAT WILL MAKE THE MOST BANG FOR THE BUCK FOR THEIR, ONE OF THEIR PROGRAMS. SO I'M IN, SO AND THANK YOU THERE, MR. ENGINEER, I REALLY LIKE SHELLACKING EVERY NOW AND THEN.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCNEAL, MR. MAYOR, CAN WE ASK COUNCILMAN HEDRICK TO SHOW HIS WORK PLEASE? IT'S PROBABLY NO BECAUSE HE'S PROBABLY USING THE OLD MATH.

NOT THE NEW MATH.

I'D BE HAPPY TO.

I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN, IF YOU LIKE.

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OH, I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU HAD ONE OF THOSE HP 12B CALCULATORS.

HE'S USING A SLIDE RULE.

SEE WHAT YOU STARTED.

I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER, MAYOR PRO TEM NICKERSON, WE HAVE A SLIDE RULE, I THINK.

OH, BOY.

NOW WE'VE GONE OFF THE RAILS.

SO IN AN ATTEMPT TO RECAP THIS, I THINK THE EQUAL PERCENTAGE REDUCTION, NO MATTER WHAT WAS USED, AN ABACUS OR WHATEVER, TO COME TO THAT, I THINK THE EQUAL REDUCTION IS APPROPRIATE.

BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GO BEFORE WE GET TO THE NEXT MEETING ON THIS STAFF NEEDS TO GO TO THEM AND ASK THEM STRAIGHT UP FRONT, THERE'S FIVE THOUSAND EVEN.

ARE THEY EVEN WILLING TO PARTICIPATE AT THAT LEVEL, FORGET WHICH PROGRAM THEY WANT TO USE IT TOWARDS IF FIVE THOUSAND DOESN'T EVEN GET THEM OUT OF THE STARTING GATE.

THEN, YOU KNOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY COME BACK AND THEY SAY SIX THOUSAND WOULD GET US OUT OF THE STARTING GATE, SO DO WE LOOK AT DO WE ASK COUNCILMAN HEDRICK TO TO UP HIS MATH? SO I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE THEY STAND.

BUT I THINK THE CONSENSUS, MONA, AT THIS POINT IS THE EQUAL REDUCTION TO GET THEM TO FIVE THOUSAND.

LET'S CHECK OUT WITH THEM WHAT.

WHICH PROGRAM THEY CHOOSE TO GO WITH OR IF THAT EVEN WORKS FOR THEM, BUT.

I THINK THAT.

OK, I CAN GET WITH THE APPLICANT, I'LL CONTACT THEM TOMORROW AND SEE WHERE THEY'RE AT AND SEE WHICH PROGRAM THIS MAY WORK BETTER FOR OR, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET SOME SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM.

AND I'LL HAVE ALL THIS READY FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY ITS POINT, FOUR SEVEN FOUR PERCENT FOR EACH.

CORRECT? I CAN TAKE IT OUT MORE DECIMALS IF YOU WANT.

I WAS HAPPY TO SHARE MY MATH AND I'LL SHARE MY NUMBERS WITH YOU NOW.

ALL RIGHT, I CAN DO THAT.

I'LL HAVE ALL THIS WRITTEN UP FOR COUNCIL.

AND WHAT COUNCIL, IS IT COUNCIL'S DESIRE TO HAVE THEM COME BACK AND SPEAK AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION.

OR HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THAT? I MEAN, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU REACH OUT TO THEM, I THINK YOU CAN.

I THINK THAT YOU CAN GET THE INFORMATION FROM THEM AS FAR AS WHAT THEY WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO OR WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH WHAT WE WOULD BE ULTIMATELY GIVING THEM.

THEY CAN MAKE THAT CHOICE.

AND I THINK YOU CAN BE THE CONDUIT FOR THAT.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR ALL YOUR PARTICIPATION AND FOR ALL YOUR INPUT.

WILL DO.

THIS IS ALWAYS HELPFUL.

AND THAT MOVES US TO, AS I SAID EARLIER, WE ARE PULLING ITEM 40 FOR A

[4F. Windsurf Bay Park]

FUTURE WORK SESSION THAT WILL BRING US TO ITEM 4F WINDSURF BAY PARK.

AND, MITCH, I THINK YOU'RE LEADING OFF ON THIS ONE.

YES, SIR, I AM.

AND I'M GOING TO START OFF AND THEN I HAVE CHIEF BRIAN HERE.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, ANDY HESSER FROM PARKS AS WELL AND MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT WINDSURF BAY PARK, AS YOU KNOW, COUNCIL, ON THE I THINK ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF LAST YEAR DUE TO THE COVID PANDEMIC ON TOP OF SOME OTHER ISSUES.

BUT CLOSED THAT PARK DUE TO SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE HAVING OUT THERE.

AND NOW AS WE AS A CITY OPEN UP OUR FACILITIES AND OUR OPERATIONS AGAIN, OF COURSE, THE QUESTIONS ARE COMING FROM SOME OF YOU AND THEN FROM MANY OF OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT THE STATUS OF WINDSURF BAY PARK.

AND SHOULD WE REOPEN THAT PARK, IF YOU WILL BEAR WITH ME AS WE CONSIDER REOPENING THE PARK BEYOND THE PANDEMIC TYPE ISSUES.

I WANT TO BRING BACK TO COUNCIL AND I KNOW ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN ON COUNCIL, MOST OF YOU HAVE FOR THE PAST MANY YEARS HAVE WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION A NUMBER OF TIMES.

AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT BEYOND THE PANDEMIC, WE STILL HAD SOME CHALLENGES WITH THIS PARK FROM SPRING TO SUMMER.

AND IF YOU REMEMBER, MANY YEARS AGO, THE CHALLENGES WERE JUST ON THREE HOLIDAY WEEKENDS, MEMORIAL DAY, THE JULY 4TH WEEKEND OR THE DAY SURROUNDING THAT, AND THEN, OF COURSE, LABOR DAY.

AND WE'VE TRIED A NUMBER OF THINGS AS A CITY TO ADDRESS THE LARGE CROWDS THAT WERE ENDING UP AT THIS PARK.

AT TIMES WE WERE TALKING FOUR OR FIVE THOUSAND AT ONE POINT WE WERE TALKING EIGHT TO TEN THOUSAND AROUND THE JULY 4TH HOLIDAY.

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AND OF COURSE, IN MY FORMER JOB, I WAS BEFORE YOU THEN AS POLICE CHIEF TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY CHALLENGES THAT WE HAD WITH THOSE LARGE CROWDS GETTING FIRE TRUCKS, AMBULANCES, POLICE CARS IN AND OUT ON THOSE WEEKENDS AND HOW TO MANAGE.

AND AS COUNCIL KNOWS, WE'VE DONE A NUMBER OF THINGS FROM IMPROVING OVERTIME FOR POLICE AND PARK STAFFING TO MANAGE IT.

WE'VE CLOSED IT AT DIFFERENT TIMES.

WE PUT UP FENCES.

WE'VE DONE A LOT OF DIFFERENT CHALLENGES, DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

BUT AS WE CONSIDER REOPENING THIS, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO COUNCIL AND AS AN OPTION AND A SUGGESTION, PRIOR TO THE PANDEMIC, OUR STAFF, BOTH POLICE AND OUR PARK STAFF, WE'RE SEEING THAT THE LARGE CROWDS THAT WE WERE NOT ONLY HEARING SOME COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THE NEIGHBORS SURROUNDING THAT, BUT THEY WEREN'T JUST OCCURRING ON THOSE THREE WEEKENDS.

THEY WERE OCCURRING ALMOST EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND.

AND AGAIN, WE WERE GETTING INTO THE CHALLENGES OF HOW, IF SOME EMERGENCY OCCURS THAT REQUIRES POLICE OR FIRE, HOW DO WE GET IN THERE? AND IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME, I'M GOING TO SHARE MY SCREEN JUST TO SHOW A LITTLE BIT OF A GOOGLE MAPS.

AND THEN I GOT A COUPLE OF PICTURES TO SHOW YOU, BUT JUST A LITTLE BIT FROM A CONTEXT.

IS THAT FULL SCREEN THERE? YES, SIR.

OK, SO AS A REMINDER, I KNOW EVERYBODY HERE, BUT FOR THOSE WATCHING WINDSURF BAY PARK, THIS IS LOCUST GROVE.

AT FIRST I WANT TO SHOW YOU JUST THE PROXIMITY HERE TO HIGH 30 AND WHEN WE HAVE CHALLENGES, WE HAD CARS, LINES OF CARS BACKING UP ALL THE WAY TO ISD AND EVEN DOWN THE SERVICE ROAD HERE VIA 30, AND I WILL ZOOM IN JUST A LITTLE BIT HERE AND THEN CHALLENGES FROM THESE NEIGHBORHOODS HERE AND HERE AND ALL IN AROUND HERE.

WHEN YOU HAVE THAT MANY CARS, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE ONLY HAVE PARKING IN A FEW AREAS, ACTUALLY DESIGNATED PARKING IN A FEW AREAS THAT WOULD HOLD MAYBE A COUPLE OF HUNDRED.

AND WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS IS WE HAVE WHEN WE HAVE THESE LARGE CROWDS, IT DOESN'T SHOW IT HERE.

THIS WAS A WINTERTIME PICTURE, BUT THIS WAS A GRASSY, MUDDY AREA THAT CARS JUST LINE UP EVERYWHERE OUT THROUGH HERE WITH PEOPLE SCATTERED EVERYWHERE THROUGH HERE.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, WHAT THEY'RE HERE FOR IS THIS VT TYPE AREA THERE.

THAT'S THE ATTRACTION.

AND IT'S ONE OF THE FEW PLACES REMAINING THAT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED THAT FOLKS CAN GO TO AND HAVE ACCESS TO THE WATER.

THIS WAS NEVER DESIGNED AS A BEACH FOR ANYONE.

IT'S JUST KIND OF BEEN TURNED INTO THAT OVER THE YEARS AS HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE END UP IN THE WATER HERE.

NOW, IF YOU REMEMBER, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES ALSO THAT WE HAVE IS THAT THE LAKE IS NOT OURS.

IT'S NOT A CITY OF GARLAND.

IT'S WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY OF DALLAS ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TAKE LINE, JUST OUTSIDE OF THE WATER'S EDGE.

SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH DALLAS AND DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR YEARS.

THEY DO HAVE A BOAT CREW THAT'S ASSIGNED TO THE LAKE.

RARELY DO THEY GET OPPORTUNITY TO COME OVER HERE AND ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS.

THERE IS A CITY OF DALLAS ORDINANCE WHICH SPECIFIES THERE IS NO SWIMMING IN THIS LAKE.

IT'S ONE OF THE WATER SUPPLIES FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.

AND THEY DO NOT ALLOW SWIMMING.

IT'S BOATING ONLY LIKE MANY OF THE OTHER LAKES WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS, ALTHOUGH OUR JURISDICTION ONLY APPLIES UP TO THE TAKE LINE ON THE ACTUAL PARK ITSELF.

SO WE'RE GOING TO WE'VE GOT A STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU TO DEAL WITH AS OUR MAJOR CONCERN IS WHEN YOU HAVE THESE LARGE CROWDS WITH THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN HERE, IF YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF MEDICAL INCIDENT, ANY TIME, A NEED FOR POLICE, I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN THIS MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS, THIS ROAD FROM LOCUST GROVE, IT GETS SO STACKED UP YOU CANNOT GET A POLICE CAR IN THERE, MUCH LESS AN AMBULANCE OR FIRE TRUCK.

AND THAT HAS BEEN OUR CONCERN.

AND I KNOW WE'VE TRIED TO DO A NUMBER OF THINGS AS A CITY OVER THE YEARS TO TRY TO MITIGATE THAT.

BUT WITH THE LARGE CROWDS WE JUST HADN'T BEEN SUCCESSFUL WITH.

SO BEFORE I GET TO THE ACTUAL PROPOSAL, I'M GOING TO TURN TO CHIEF BRIAN FOR JUST A MINUTE TO GIVE SOME OF HIS RECENT EXPERIENCE JUST PRIOR TO THE PANDEMIC.

AND THEN I'LL COME BACK TO YOU WITH AN ACTUAL PROPOSAL FOR FROM STAFF.

SO, JEFF.

YEAH, AND I THINK YOU COVERED JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING HERE.

GOT US CONCERNED WHEN WE SAW OVER 8 THOUSAND PEOPLE SHOW UP AT THE PARK AND THE PARK'S JUST

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SIMPLY NOT DESIGNED TO HANDLE A THOUSAND PEOPLE, NOT JUST THE INGRESS AND EGRESS, BUT IT JUST OVERWHELMED THE PARK.

AND SO WE HAD TO PLAN IN TWENTY NINETEEN JUST AS A REMINDER TO LIMIT THE PARK TO TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED PEOPLE.

BUT THAT TAKES A LOT OF STAFFING TO DO.

AND THEN IN 2020 IT WAS SHUT DOWN DUE TO CODE.

BUT THE SECRET IS KIND OF OUT ON THIS PARK.

IT WAS A NICE QUIET PARK FOR A LONG TIME AND NOW WE SEE MOST OF THE PEOPLE, WE SEE MOST OF THE EIGHT THOUSAND WHEN WE RECORDED THIS WERE NOT GARLAND RESIDENTS, IT'S PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE METROPLEX COME INTO THE WINDSURF BAY PARK.

SO THAT'S A BRIEF HISTORY.

I THINK MITCH COVERED MOST OF THINGS I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WHAT WHAT I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST IS AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A FENCE BEFORE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT PROPOSAL AGAIN.

THE DRAW HERE IS THE ACCESS TO THE WATER, WHICH BY CITY OF DALLAS ORDINANCE IS ILLEGAL, EVEN THOUGH WE CAN'T ENFORCE IT.

IF WE CAN PUT UP A FENCE AND I'LL SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE TO KEEP THEM FROM GETTING INTO THE WATER AND POST SIGNS REGARDING THE CITY OF DALLAS ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBITS SWIMMING IN THERE WITH SOME ADDITIONAL FOLLOW UP FROM OUR STAFF.

I THINK WE CAN RESOLVE THIS BECAUSE WHAT OUR STAFF SEES WHAT OUR STAFF HEARS BOTH POLICE PARKS, WHEN THEY GO OUT THERE AND THERE'S THESE LARGE CROWDS, BY AND LARGE, THAT'S NOT GARLAND RESIDENTS, THE VAST, VAST MAJORITY.

WE EVEN HEAR NUMBERS LIKE NINETY EIGHT.

NINETY NINE PERCENT.

AND OUR STAFF DIDN'T DO A POLL IS JUST ANECDOTALLY THEY ARE FROM OUTSIDE OF GARLAND.

THEY'RE FROM SOME ARE FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE, MANY ARE FROM OKLAHOMA AND EVEN LOUISIANA WHO ARE COMING HERE WITH THESE THAT ARE CREATING THE CHALLENGE.

SO LET ME SHARE WITH YOU A PROPOSAL TO TRY TO ADDRESS THESE CHALLENGES, MOVING FORWARD TO GET OUR PARK BACK.

ALL RIGHT, JUST MAYOR IS THAT COMING THROUGH.

OK, YES, YOU'RE GOOD.

OK, SO YOU CAN SEE THE YELLOW LINE HERE WOULD BE A PROPOSED LOCATION FOR A FENCE.

AND I'LL SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THE FENCE IN JUST A MINUTE.

JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU AN OVERALL AS WE COME IN THE LOCUST GROVE AND IT PROHIBITS ACCESS TO THE LAKEFRONT.

IT DOESN'T PROHIBIT THE VIEW.

WE STILL HAVE A NUMBER OF AMENITIES WITHIN HERE FOR PEOPLE TO ENJOY THE PAVILION AND OTHER THINGS FOR PEOPLE TO ENJOY THE VIEW WITH IN OUR PARK.

IT JUST WOULD PROHIBIT FOLKS FROM ACCESSING THE WATER AND TURNING THIS INTO A BEACH, WHICH AGAIN, IS ACTUALLY PROHIBITED BY CITY OF DALLAS ORDINANCE.

AS I ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT FOR YOU TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A BETTER IDEA OF HOW THE FENCE WOULD CONNECT IN UP HERE ACROSS AND THEN DOWN ALONG THE YOU, THIS FENCE WOULD ACTUALLY BE ON CITY OF GARLAND PROPERTY ON OUR SIDE OF THE TAKE LINE.

SO WE HAVE WORKED OUT ALL OF THOSE DETAILS.

AND OF COURSE, THIS IS AN APPROXIMATION OF WHERE IT WOULD BE, BUT OUR STAFF WOULD WORK OUT THE FINAL DETAILS.

NOW, THE TYPE OF FENCES WOULD NOT BE JUST A STANDARD SIX FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE.

THIS IS AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE.

AS YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP.

IT'S CURVED UP AT THE TOP TO SPECIFICALLY MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR SOMEONE TO CLIMB OVER THIS FENCE.

WITH THIS TYPE OF FENCE ALONG THE SHORELINE HERE PROHIBITING FOLKS FROM GETTING AROUND IT.

IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE.

IT WOULD IT BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT, BUT IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE MAYBE TO GET AROUND THE TREES A LITTLE BIT.

BUT THIS WOULD CLEARLY PROHIBIT THE LARGE VOLUMES OF FOLKS.

IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE SOME FOLLOW UP ON OUR PART, SOME MONITORING ON OUR PART.

BUT THIS WOULD BE IF SOMETHING THAT IS APPROVED, THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD PUBLICIZE AND GET THE WORD OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, SWIMMING IS PROHIBITED BY CITY OF

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DALLAS ORDINANCE BY PUTTING PLACING THE FENCE HERE.

WE STILL HAVE THE VIEW, THE NICE VIEW.

WE STILL HAVE OUR PARK FOR OUR CITIZENS ENJOYMENT OF OUR CITIZENS THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM.

THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO AN WALK IN THE PARK.

THEY WANT TO WALK THEIR DOGS.

THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY THIS.

BUT MY FEAR IS, IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IF WE DON'T TAKE THIS KIND OF ACTION THAT ON THESE WEEKENDS WHEN WE HAVE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE HERE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THEM IN AN EMERGENCY.

WIDENING LOCUST GROVE ROAD IS THE EXPENSE THERE WOULD BE TREMENDOUS IMPROVING THE PARKING HERE THE COST WOULD BE TREMENDOUS.

WE HAVE RESTROOM CHALLENGES.

WE USUALLY BRING IN A LOT OF PORTA POTTIES TO HAVE THOSE.

WE BRING IN EXTRA TRASH CANS.

WE BRING IN HUGE TRASH DUMPSTERS EVERY WEEK.

AND AFTERWARDS WE HEAR FROM THE NEIGHBORS FOR USUALLY DAYS AS WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAN UP THE MESS AFTER THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE HAVE FLOODED TO THIS AND THEN THEY LEAVE TO GO BACK HOME WHEREVER THEY COME FROM.

SO I WILL I KNOW I'VE RAMBLED ON FOR A LITTLE BIT SO LET ME TURN IT OVER TO ANDY FROM THE PARKS PERSPECTIVE SO HE CAN SAY A FEW WORDS.

TO KIND OF EXPAND THE DESCRIPTION A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT STAFF EXPERIENCE IS OUT THERE, SIMILAR TO WHAT CHIEF BRYAN ALLUDED TO, IS THOSE WEEKENDS HAVE GONE BEYOND JUST THE HOLIDAY WEEKENDS OF SEVERAL THOUSAND PEOPLE TO JUST ABOUT EVERY WEEKEND.

WE'RE INTO THE FEW THOUSAND ANY TIME IT'S NOT RAINING.

AND SO IN THE PAST, THERE'S BEEN A CHAIN LINK FENCE, KIND OF, IN ALMOST THE EXACT ORIENTATION SOME YEARS AGO, SOME KIND OF TEMPORARILY THEY WERE JUST CUT RIGHT THROUGH IT.

SO THAT'S WHY THE RECOMMENDATION IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, A LITTLE BIT HARDIER SITUATION TO TRY TO PUSH AS CLOSE TO THE WATER AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW FOLKS TO CONTINUE TO USE THE PARK.

THE INTENT IS NOT TO TAKE AWAY A PARK, BUT CERTAINLY TO PUT IT IN A POSITION TO BE MANAGING A LITTLE BIT SAFER FASHION.

THERE MANY WEEKENDS THAT OUR STAFF WOULD REPORT TRAFFIC SO OUT OF CONTROL THAT THEY COULDN'T GET THEIR VEHICLES IN TO PICK UP TRASH.

SO THEY JUST COULDN'T GET IN AND COULDN'T GET IT OUT.

SO ONCE ALL THE CROWD CLEARED OUT, IT LOOKED LIKE THE LAST DAY OF WOODSTOCK.

SO THEY SUFFERED THROUGH VERBAL ABUSE THE WHOLE NINE YARDS EVERY TIME THEY WERE OUT THERE.

AND IT'S JUST UNFORTUNATE THAT PARK JUST DOES NOT HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO MANAGE SAFELY FOR FOLKS TO COME IN AND OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN AND OUT OF THE PARK IN A WAY THAT WAS INTENDED USE.

SO I THINK THIS LAYOUT FOR THE FENCE, AS MITCH SAID, DOES FOLLOW THE CITY OF GARLAND PROPERTY LINE FOR THE MOST PART, BUT WILL ALSO HELP WITH BANK STABILIZATION AND EROSION, AND ALLOW NATURAL VEGETATION TO KIND OF TAKE HOLD AGAIN AND COME ON DOWN THERE.

IT WAS NEVER REALLY INTENDED TO BE A BEACH IT BECAME A BEACH FROM JUST FOOT TRAFFIC, POUNDING IT DOWN INTO A KIND OF AN ERODED FLAT AREA IN A COUPLE OF LOCATIONS.

OK, AND MAYOR JUST TO FROM A COST STANDPOINT, WE'VE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY STUDIES.

IF COUNCIL APPROVES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO TO BID ON THIS.

BUT A BALLPARK COST FOR THE TYPE OF FENCE, THE EIGHT FOOT TYPE OF FENCE THAT I SHOWED YOU FOR THE LENGTH OF THE WATERWAY THAT I SHOWED YOU WOULD BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND.

SO WE HAVE SOME POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT FOR THAT.

IF COUNCIL AGREES WITH OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THIS, I'M JUST AFRAID THAT IF WE DON'T TAKE SOME STEPS LIKE THIS, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR AND NO MATTER HOW MANY RESOURCES WE THROW AT IT, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A CHALLENGE.

AND MY BIGGEST, BIGGEST FEAR IS THAT A MAJOR PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE IS GOING TO OCCUR ON ONE OF THESE WEEKENDS AND WE CANNOT GET TO THEM.

AND JUST AS SOMEONE WHO'S LOOKED AT THIS MANY, MANY TIMES, I THINK THIS IS OUR BEST OPTION.

SO BUT I DO UNDERSTAND YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS AND I'LL BE HAPPY AND JEFF AND ANDY AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANYTHING WE CAN.

YEAH THIS IS A DIFFICULT SITUATION HERE AT BEST, THE FENCE IDEA, YOU KNOW, GOODNESS, PART OF THE ALLURE OF THAT WHOLE PARK IS THE WATER AND ALL OF THAT AND FENCING IT OFF LOOKS LIKE A ROUGH THING TO DO, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

MAYOR PRO TEM NICKERSON.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

WE'VE LOOKED AT THE CHAIN LINK FENCING IDEA IT DIDN'T REALLY WORK.

I'M NOT SURE A FENCE LIKE THIS IS GOING TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM CLIMBING OVER IT OR BREAKING THROUGH IT.

IN SOME CASES, IT'S GOING TO SLOW THEM DOWN.

AND THEN YOU WORRY ABOUT, I THINK WHATEVER WE WOULD DO WITH THE FENCE, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF PERSONNEL GATE AT SOME POINT BECAUSE WE GET SOMEBODY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT AND WE CAN'T GET TO THEM BECAUSE THERE'S NO GATE.

THAT'S NOT A GOOD SITUATION EITHER.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN THOUGHT ABOUT.

I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I TALKED WITH, YOU KNOW, ALL ALL OF THE STAFF ABOUT THIS.

JEFF AND I AGONIZED OVER WHAT WE DO WITH THE SITUATIONS.

ANDY AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT MANY, MANY TIMES.

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AND MITCH, THIS SUGGESTION WAS REALLY I MEAN, LOOK, IT'S A PARK THAT OUR CITIZENS WOULD LIKE TO USE.

IT'S A PARK THAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO USE.

IT WAS GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE THEY COULDN'T EVEN USE IT BECAUSE OF THE CROWDS.

SO THEY WEREN'T HAVING A BENEFIT OF IT AT THAT POINT.

AND THEN WE LOCK IT OUT AND THEN NO ONE CAN GET TO IT.

SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN CONTINUE TO KEEP THE PARK CLOSED.

AND I THINK WE'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO MINIMIZE THE FEAR THAT STAFF HAS OF A RISK DOWN THERE THAT THEY CAN'T GET TO TO, TO SOLVE.

THE COST IS IS HIGH, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

AND REALLY, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PUT THREE HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS INTO MORE PICNIC TABLES AND BENCHES AND RESTROOM FACILITIES THAN A FENCE.

SO HARD CHOICES HARD HARD ISSUES TO DEAL WITH.

AND FRANKLY, I THINK WE'RE AT THIS POINT WHERE TO GET IT OPEN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

AND THAT IS MAYBE WE ALL WOULD NOT WANT TO SPEND THIS KIND OF MONEY, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE EITHER AT THIS POINT.

SO I JUST WANTED EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT I HAVE A LOT OF CITIZENS CALL ME AND TALK ABOUT IT.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT WITH STAFF AND I HAVE SINCE FIRST OF THE YEAR TO REOPEN IT.

WHAT CAN WE DO? I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MORE INPUT FROM COUNCIL IF THEY'VE GOT OTHER THOUGHTS ON WHAT WE CAN DO, BECAUSE CERTAINLY I'M KIND OF STARTING TO RUN OUT OF IDEAS HERE MYSELF.

SO, ANYWAY I JUST THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO KICK THIS OFF.

I SHARE A LOT OF MAYOR PRO TEM NICKERSON'S CONCERNS ON THIS, I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE THAT FENCES WORK.

IN FACT, I'M LESS THAN ENTIRELY SURE WE'VE SEEN THAT, I THINK, OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, FENCES IN GENERAL, AS I'VE SUGGESTED BEFORE, I THINK MAYBE THE ANSWER IS TO CHARGE PEOPLE ACCESS.

WE CHARGE FOR ACCESS TO CERTAIN FACILITIES.

AND I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT MAYBE EVEN JUST BE ACCESS FOR YOUR CAR.

MAYBE THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT.

IT'S TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS.

YOU WANT TO COME HERE? IT'S TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS IF YOU'RE GARLAND RESIDENT OR YOUR CAR IS REGISTERED IN GARLAND IT'S 15.

AND MY GUESS IS THAT WOULD ADDRESS A LOT OF THE OUTSIDE FOLKS WHO WERE LOOKING TO COME HERE.

AND THEN YOU JUST CREATE A MARKET SOLUTION TO THIS.

AND IF YOU STILL GET AND YOU HAVE A LIMITED NUMBER AND WE PUT UP SOME SIGNS, THEN IT'S LIKE, YEAH, WE'RE FULL.

I MEAN, THEY DO THIS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THERE ARE PLACES WHERE THERE'S LIMITED ACCESS TO BEACH AND COASTAL TYPE FACILITIES.

I GREW UP WITH STUFF LIKE THIS.

IT'S LIKE, YEAH, THERE'S NO WAITING.

YOU KNOW, THE PARK IS FULL AND NO, YOU CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IF IT COMES EMPTY.

TURN AROUND AND LEAVE.

IT'S NOT AND I THINK THAT ONCE YOU'VE DONE THAT FOR EVEN A FEW WEEKS, I THINK THAT PEOPLE GET THE MESSAGE, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY EITHER GOT TO GET THERE EARLY OR THEY DON'T GET THERE AT ALL.

AND THEN WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF DOING DALLAS'S WORK, OF POLICING, WHO'S WHERE AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF, IF THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO DO IT THEN THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO DO IT.

BECAUSE THE OTHER THING THAT YOU HAVE WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE IS THAT YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN BOATS WHO CAN COME UP TO THE SHORELINE AND GET OUT AND SIT ON THE BEACH OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT.

AND IF THAT ISN'T A CRAZY SITUATION, IT'S GOING TO HACK A BUNCH OF PEOPLE OFF.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS.

OH, WELL, IF YOU HAVE A BOAT, YOU CAN USE THIS BEACH.

BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE A BOAT, YOU KNOW, OFF YOU GO.

SO I THINK SOMETHING THAT'S MORE OF A MARKET SOLUTION ON THAT AND.

AND HECK, YOU KNOW, BID IT OUT TO A CONCESSIONAIRE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME SOME BRIGHT, ENTERPRISING FOLKS WHO WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO OPERATE THAT AND AND AND HAVE THE CONCESSION ON AN ICE CREAM TRUCK OR A FOOD TRUCK OR WHATEVER ELSE UP THERE.

AND YOU SET THE PARAMETERS FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY CAN LET IN AND THEN THEY FIGURE IT OUT.

SO I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER SOLUTIONS HERE OTHER THAN JUST TRYING TO.

I DON'T WANT TO PUT THREE HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS INTO A FENCE TO FIND OUT THAT IT DOESN'T WORK.

I KNOW WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE.

I KNOW WE'RE PAYING MONEY TO ACCESS A PARK.

WE DO HAVE FOLKS WHO PAY MONEY TO USE OUR RECREATION CENTERS AND OTHER THINGS.

SO I THINK IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA TO MOVE TO A FEE BASED MODEL.

AND THEN WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT IF WE HAVE THREE AND FIFTY THOUSAND, I HAVE A

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PARK IN MY DISTRICT THAT CAN USE THAT.

IF WE HAVE THAT MONEY LAYING AROUND I HAVE A PARK IN MY I'M NOT GOING TO STOP I KNOW I HAVE A PARK IN MY DISTRICT THAT CAN USE THAT MONEY THAT IS IN THE MOST UNDER PARKED PART OF THE CITY ONCE AGAIN.

AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE KINGSLEY PARK, WHICH IS NOT A PARK OR PUT IT INTO WINDSURF BAY.

BUT I THINK WE'D BETTER USE THIS FOR RECREATION TYPE MONEY THAN FENCES.

MAYOR.

YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS CHARMED BY MARKET SOLUTIONS BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THAT'S WHAT WORKS, BUT.

IN THIS CASE, WITH IT BEING A PUBLIC PARK, I JUST I LOOK AT THE FIFTEEN TO TWENTY FIVE DOLLAR OR WHATEVER CHARGE WHO THAT EXCLUDES WHO ARE WE JUST PUTTING UP A BARRIER.

A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING UP FROM DALLAS.

THAT'S NOT A BARRIER TO THEM, BUT A LOT OF OUR OWN PEOPLE.

THAT WILL BE A FINANCIAL BARRIER.

AND I DON'T LIKE THAT.

I DON'T LIKE ANY OF THE SOLUTIONS.

I DON'T LIKE THE FENCE, ALTHOUGH IT'S KIND OF COOL LOOKING FENCE, YOU KNOW, AND I DO KNOW WITH THE MAYOR PRO TEM AND HE'S BEEN BITING AT THIS FOR YEARS, WE HAVE AS A COUNCIL, BEEN WRESTLING WITH IT FOR YEARS THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY AWESOME SOLUTIONS TO IT.

I HATE SPENDING THREE HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS ON IT, BUT WE NEED A SOLUTION THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE US HAVING TO HAVE EXTENSIVE POLICE STAFF OUT THERE PRETTY MUCH EVERY WEEKEND.

WE JUST CAN'T DO THAT.

AND THAT ENDS UP, YOU KNOW, OVER A PRETTY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, ROLLING WAY PAST THREE HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS.

IF WE KEEP DOING THIS YEAR AFTER YEAR EVENT, AFTER THE WEEKEND AFTER WEEKEND.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT IDEAL, BUT THIS WHOLE SITUATION HASN'T BEEN IDEAL.

YOU KNOW, ONE CONCERN THAT COMES TO MY MIND IS OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE AND FENCES.

YOU WILL END UP WITH PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE AND YOU WILL NO MATTER WHAT, WHETHER THEY COME UP IN BOATS OR WHETHER THEY DO ACROBATICS, THAT WILL HAPPEN.

SO ONE PRACTICAL QUESTION I HAD FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY VIEWPOINT IS YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT SCALE THE FENCE OR COME UP IN A BOAT AND THERE'S A SAFETY ISSUE THAT HAPPENS IN THE WATER.

YOU KNOW, HOW WILL PUBLIC SAFETY BE ABLE TO REACH THEM OR, YOU KNOW, PUT A LADDER VAULT OVER THE FENCE? HOW MUCH OF A BARRIER IS THAT GOING TO BE? AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

SO I'M ASKING.

SQUARE.

SO HOW MUCH OF A PROBLEM IS THAT GOING TO BE.

THE FENCE IF IT WAS A SOLUTION IT WOULD HAVE GATES THAT EITHER HAVE A COMBINATION LOCK OR A LOCK ACCESSIBLE TO POLICE AND FIRE.

WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE ENTRY TO THAT AREA.

AND IT WOULD BE A QUICK ENTRY, OBVIOUSLY.

SO.

SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT RIGHT NOW.

I WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CHARGING PEOPLE BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD END UP EXCLUDING OUR OWN PEOPLE.

AND PEOPLE FROM OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE MORE MONEY MIGHT END UP BEING THE ONES WHO USE IT.

SO THANK YOU, MAYOR.

MAYOR PRO TEM NICKERSON.

YEAH, I JUST YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF OF CHARGING FOR IT WAS AN IDEA THAT ACTUALLY I BROUGHT FORWARD TO COUNCIL.

I THINK MAYBE SEVERAL YEARS AGO I ACTUALLY TOOK A RIDE OUT WHEN I FIRST SAW THE PARK AT LAKE LEWISVILLE.

THEY HAVE A PARK VERY SIMILAR.

THAT'S THE CORPS OF ENGINEER LAKE SO AND THEY CHARGE BY CAR TO GO OUT THERE THAT IT'S A LOT LARGER PARK THAN OURS.

BUT THEY HAVE TWO PART TIME STAFF THAT SHARE THE TICKET BOOTH AND A GATE AND THEN A PLACE FOR A MARSHAL IN THE BACK OF THEY HAVE AN OFFICE IN THAT GATE HOUSE.

AND A MARSHAL PATROLS THE PARK WHEN IT'S OPEN AND THEY HAVE NIGHTTIME SHUT DOWN AT A REASONABLE HOURS IN THE EVENING AND OPENS DURING THE DAY, MOST, DAYS OF THE WEEK.

I ACTUALLY TALKED TO THE COUNCILMAN THAT REPRESENTS THAT AREA SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND THEY STRUGGLED WITH IT AS WELL.

AND ONCE THEY STARTED CHARGING FOR THE CARS IT STARTED TO MANAGE THE

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CROWDS TO SOME DEGREE, AND THEY CHARGE 10 BUCKS A CAR AND SO AND THERE'S SOMETIMES A LOT OF CARS OUT THERE.

I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE ON HOLIDAYS, TOO.

BUT THEY STILL DID NOT RIVAL THE CROWDS THAT WE HAD IN A MUCH SMALLER PARK.

BUT THERE IS AN INVESTMENT AND AN INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT TO DO THAT.

THE ENTRY AREAS, ARE CHAIN LINK FENCE, WHERE EXCEPT FOR THE DRIVE, WHICH HAS A GATE, A SINGLE GATE THAT'S OPEN AND CLOSED DURING THOSE HOURS.

AND THEN PEOPLE, THEY LOCK IT DOWN AT NIGHT AND OPEN IT IN THE MORNING.

BUT IT TAKES TWO PART TIME STAFF AND IT TAKES A MARSHAL WHEN THOSE OF THE HOURS OF THE PARK.

SO THERE'S A CONTINUING STAFFING COST.

BUT LOOK.

THIS PARK NEEDS TO BE OPEN FOR OUR CITIZENS IN SOME WAY, IN SOME FASHION, AND I WOULD MUCH RATHER I BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD [INAUDIBLE].

I BELIEVE THAT MARKET FORCES WILL HELP CONTROL THE CROWDS AND WE LIMIT THE NUMBERS THAT COME IN THERE.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I SUGGESTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND I THINK THAT IS AN OPTION.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE US TO INVEST IN SOME STAFF AND SOME INFRASTRUCTURE AND TO HAVE TO MANAGE IT.

AND SO WE'RE EITHER GOING TO HAVE TO PAY MONEY TO MANAGE IT OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY MONEY TO PUT A FENCE IN IT ON THE FRONT OF IT.

THERE ISN'T I DON'T SEE ANOTHER FEASIBLE SOLUTION UNTIL WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT 190 IS GOING TO DO AND THEN MAKE SOME SORT OF INVESTMENT THAT COULD BE A LONG TERM WAY TO IMPROVE ACCESS IN AND OUT OF THERE AND FACILITIES.

IT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR AN OPEN AIR AMPHITHEATER EVENTUALLY.

BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT KIND OF INVESTMENT UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO TO US DOWN THERE ON THAT HIGHWAY, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE RESIDENTIAL NATURE OF THAT AREA AS WELL.

THOSE HOMES ARE GOING TO GO AWAY WHEN THAT 190 COMES TRUDGING THROUGH THERE.

SO BUT WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO PLAY DODGE BALL WITH THAT PARK AND WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, SPEND MONEY FOR A FENCE OR INVEST IN SOME STAFF.

AND LET'S PUT THE GATE UP FRONT AND CHARGE TO COME IN.

THAT'S THE TWO BEST OPTIONS I SEE.

SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT AT THIS POINT.

COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH.

COUNCILMAN NICKERSON, I SUPPORTED YOU TWO YEARS AGO ON THAT IDEA AND I SUPPORT YOU TODAY.

I THINK IT IS A FANTASTIC WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.

LET'S GET SOME SOME FOLKS MANNING THE GATE AND CHARGE FOR ENTRY FOR NONRESIDENTS.

IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT OUR EXCUSE ME, IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GARLAND TAXPAYERS HAVE ALREADY PAID FOR THE PARK.

WE PAY TO MAINTAIN IT FINE YOU SHOW ID AND IT SAYS GARLAND ON IT.

YOU GET IN THE DOOR FOR FREE.

AND IF YOU COME IN AND YOU'RE FROM OUT OF TOWN, YOU PAY THE TEN BUCKS.

AND LOOK, IF 190 IS GOING TO BE COMING THROUGH THERE ANYWAY, I HATE TO DROP THREE HUNDRED FIFTY GRAND ON A FENCE THAT WE MAY HAVE TO YANK THE SECOND THAT IT'S DONE.

I HATE TO RUIN WHAT IS PROBABLY ONE OF OUR BEST PARKS FROM JUST THE VANTAGE POINT AND THE SCENERY AND EVERYTHING YOU GET TO HAVE IN THERE.

I'M ALSO WORRIED AND SEVERAL MEMBERS HAVE SAID IT, YOU PUT UP A FENCE AND SOMEBODY GETS HURT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT FENCE.

AND NOW WE PUT OUR FIRST RESPONDERS BACK IN THE SAME POSITION IT WERE.

IT'S AN OBSTACLE THAT WE'RE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO CLIMB JUST TO SEE IF THEY CAN.

I WAS A TEENAGER ONCE.

I KNOW HOW WE THINK.

WE'RE NOT SMART, BUT IT IS JUST WHAT WE DO.

SO, YEAH, LET'S DEVELOP A MARKET SOLUTION TO THIS AND LET'S MANAGE IT THAT WAY.

YOU'VE ALREADY SHOWN, JERRY MENTIONED THAT THEY FIXED THIS PROBLEM IN ANOTHER PLACE.

IT BROUGHT THE CROWD SIZES DOWN TO A MANAGEABLE LEVEL.

LET'S TAKE THE TIME AND DO IT RIGHT FOR NOW.

I SAID WE REOPEN THE PARK AND LET'S KEEP IT OPEN WHILE WE DEVELOP THE SOLUTION.

AND I KNOW IT'S GOING TO PUT SOME STRAIN ON STAFF, AND I'M SORRY FOR THAT.

BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE CROWN JEWELS OR COULD BE ONE OF THE CROWN JEWELS OF OUR PARKS SYSTEM.

AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IT USED.

COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

SIR.

EXCUSE ME.

I JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS.

ONE.

WELL, I LIKE THE MAYOR PRO TEM'S SUGGESTION, BUT I'M NOT ICE COLD ON THE CHIEF'S RECOMMENDATION OF FENCING, TOO, BECAUSE, I MEAN, FENCING DOESN'T KEEP

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ANYBODY OUT WHO WANTS TO GET IN AND DOESN'T KEEP ANYBODY IN AND WANTS TO GET OUT.

THAT'S WHY THEY GOT FENCES AROUND [INAUDIBLE].

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A FENCE AROUND YOUR HOUSE.

BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO CLIMB IT THEY'LL GET IN AND THEY HAVE TO GET OUT.

SO FENCES ARE NOT INTENDED TO DO THAT.

SO I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE BY THE CAR FOR NON GARLAND RESIDENTS.

YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT FEE STRUCTURE, PROPOSED FEE STRUCTURE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE AS FAR AS STAFFING.

YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME THINGS, YOU KNOW, SOME PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL.

WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WHAT HOURS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? BECAUSE THE ENTRY ACCESS LOCUST ROAD IT'S STILL IT'S THE SAME WITH AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE EXPANDED.

SO I'D WANT TO SEE SOME NUMBERS THERE, AND MY SECOND POINT IS AND PERHAPS MAYOR PRO TEM CAN ANSWER THIS SINCE WE WENT IN AND LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS PARK WAS BEING DISCUSSED WAY BEFORE I GOT ON COUNCIL WITH THE MAYOR, AND I WERE NO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO THIS GOES WAY BACK.

AND I'D LIKE TO ALSO IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE TWO OPTIONS.

MAYOR PRO TEM OR YOU MAY YOU MAY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION ALREADY PUT THIS OPTION YOU KNOW, SHARE THESE OPTIONS WITH THE FOLKS THAT LIVE NEARBY.

WHAT BEFORE WE TAKE A FINAL VOTE ON IT, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE FOLKS WHO ARE MORE DIRECTLY IMPACTED THINK ABOUT THESE TWO OPTIONS WHERE AT THE PARK.

AND MY FINAL QUESTION IS.

WE'VE GOT A PARK DOWN IN MY HOMETOWN CALLED LAKE [INAUDIBLE].

WE DID THE SAME THING.

WE'RE CHARGING BY THE HEAD, BY THE CAR, AND PEOPLE GOT VERY CREATIVE AND FOLKS WERE BRINGING FOLKS IN THEIR TRUNKS AND AS FAR AS CITY CAPACITY AND THEY ENDED UP HAVING TO DO A FENCE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE PARKING.

SO I JUST MITCH, OR CHIEF, I'VE BEEN DOWN THERE A FEW TIMES.

WHAT IS THE PARKING CAPACITY DOWN THERE NEAR THE LAKE IN THE AREA THAT YOU SHOWED? WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY, WHAT'S THE CAPACITY SURE.

ON IF IT WAS ONE HUNDRED AND SOMETHING CARS LAST WEEK.

LOOK, I KNOW WE HAVE THAT NUMBER SOMEWHERE.

OTHERS DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME TODAY.

NOW, THAT CAN TURN INTO A COUPLE OF HUNDRED, TWO OR THREE HUNDRED PEOPLE.

BUT USUALLY WHAT WE HAVE TO DO WHEN WE HAVE THESE LARGE CROWDS, THEY END UP ON THAT LARGE GRASSY AREA TO THE WEST OF THE DRIVE AND WE CIRCLE IN THERE NOW WHEN IT'S WET, IT'S A MESS.

SOMETIMES THEY GET STUCK IN THERE.

IT'S NOT DESIGNED AS A PARK LAWN.

IT'S JUST A GRASSY AREA.

AND IF I MAY POINT OUT ONE OTHER, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BRINGING THIS FORWARD OR BRING UP THIS ISSUE.

EARLIER WHEN WE DID LOOK AT IT, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT CHARGING IN THE PAST.

ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE LOOKED AT IS IN THESE OTHER LOCATIONS, I THINK LITTLE ELVES, ONE I KNOW THERE'S OTHERS WILL HAVE A PARK, THEY'VE GOT A BEACH, SOME CHARGE FOR ACCESS.

BUT THE THE ENTITY THE CITY CONTROLS THE WHOLE AREA WITH US.

OF COURSE, WE DON'T CONTROL THE WATER.

ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE WOULD HAVE IF WE CHARGE ACCESS TO THIS WELL, FOR THE WEEKENDS, ALMOST100 PERCENT ARE THERE FOR THE BEACH.

SO WE'D BE CHARGING FOR THEM TO ILLEGALLY SWIM IN THE LAKE.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE WE PAUSED ON THAT BEFORE WHATEVER WE CHARGED, YOU KNOW.

TWENTY FIVE.

AND WE WILL BE HAPPY TO GO BACK COUNCIL AND LOOK AT ALL THE OPTIONS AGAIN.

I KNOW THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT THING, BUT WE BE WE AND WE'RE NOT TELLING THEM TO GO SWIM.

I REALIZED THAT WE JUST BE CHARGING FOR THE ACCESS.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT BEFORE WE LOOKED AT AND REALIZE ALMOST ALL OF THEM ARE THERE TO GET STRAIGHT INTO THE BEACH, WHICH THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, WHERE THE OTHER PARKS ARE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED AS A BEACH FOR PEOPLE TO COME SWIM, PLAY, ENJOY.

AND THEY'RE SAYING, YES, GET INTO THE WATER, ENJOY THIS AMENITY.

WELL, HERE, BECAUSE THE LAKE'S NOT OURS IF IT WAS OURS, MAYBE WE COULD MAKE THAT DECISION.

BUT THIS ISN'T DESIGNED AS A BEACH.

I MEAN, IT'S THOSE WERE OUR CHALLENGES WHEN WE LOOKED AT CHARGING IN THE PARK.

SO JUST SOMETHING FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER, OK? AND IF WE'RE LOOKING AT BEING MORE MARKET DRIVEN, IF YOU'RE LIMITED TO TWO, LET'S SAY, TWO HUNDRED CARS THAT, YOU KNOW, FOURTH OF JULY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE TIMES

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THAT MANY CARS TRYING TO GET IN THERE.

BUT THE OTHER THINGS AND IF I REMEMBER WAY BACK WHEN IN MY OTHER LIFE WHEN THIS WAS DISCUSSED, WHAT MAYOR PRO TEM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M HEARING WAS THE PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS IS AN ISSUE.

MAYOR, IF I MAY, PERHAPS THE MAYOR PRO TEM CAN SPEAK ON THAT.

BUT I REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION.

I REMEMBER THAT COMPLAINT.

AND I THINK I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEM.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? THAT WAS ONE OF THE LOUDEST NOISES THAT I HEARD SO.

CAN ONE OF YOU SPEAK TO THAT.

MAYOR PRO TEM GO AHEAD.

AND UNMUTE.

OK, SORRY, THAT IS ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT YOU'LL FIND THE PARKING UP IN THE STREETS, YOU'LL FIND PARKING IN PEOPLE'S DRIVEWAYS, AND THEN IT'S THE TRASH THEY LEAVE WHEN THEY COME IN AND OUT WITH BEER CANS THROWN OUT THE YARD ALL OVER.

SURE, IT IS A PROBLEM.

BUT BUT I WANT TO SAY, IF I RECALL THE POLICE ONCE WE WE STARTED LOOKING INTO THIS MORE AND MORE AND ADDRESSING THOSE COMPLAINTS, I THOUGHT WE HAD PRETTY MUCH BEEN ABLE TO WORK THAT ISSUE BY HAVING A LITTLE MORE VISIBILITY ON THE GROUND.

AND CHIEF, DO YOU RECALL IF WE WERE ABLE TO KIND OF CONQUER THAT PROBLEM TO SOME DEGREE? YEAH, THOSE ARE PROBLEMS OCCURRED THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE HAD THE EIGHT THOUSAND PEOPLE SHOWING UP IN THE PARK, RIGHT.

ONCE WE STARTED TAKING MEASURES LIKE WE LIMITED THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE PARK TO TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED PEOPLE, WE WERE NOT HAVING THAT PROBLEM IS, WHEN WE HAD THE EIGHT THOUSAND PEOPLE SHOWING UP, IT WAS THE THE 2018 YEARS WHEN THEY OVERWHELMED THE PARK WHEN WE HAD THE PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND THE OTHER THING YOU DID ALSO WAS YOU SET UP A KIND OF NOT A ROADBLOCK BUT SORT OF AN OFFICER AND A CAR KIND OF AT AN INTERSECTION UP AWAY FROM THE PARK, CLOSER TO I-30 TO TRY TO KEEP ALL THE CARS GETTING DOWN THERE AND THEN BEING HAVING TO TURN AROUND BECAUSE THEY HIT OUR LIMITS, BECAUSE IT REALLY ISN'T EVEN A GOOD PLACE TO TURN AROUND DOWN THERE EITHER.

YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.

WE HAD WE HAD SIGNAGE UP NEAR 30 AND NEAR THE SERVICE ROAD LETTING THEM KNOW ONCE THE PARK WAS FULL AND WE PUT UP THE SIGNS AND WE STILL HAD PEOPLE COMING DOWN.

SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS, THAT WAS ONE OF THE INITIAL COMPLAINTS.

AND IT WAS IT WAS A LEGITIMATE ISSUE, BUT IT DID RESOLVE ITSELF AFTER WE HAD MORE POLICE PRESENCE AND WE DID A LITTLE MORE OF A CROWD CONTROL AND LIMITED NUMBER OF VEHICLES DOWN THERE.

THE COMPLAINT I HEAR NOW IS THAT JUST THE CITIZENS WANT TO OPEN THE PARK UP AND THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO WALK THEIR DOG DOWN THERE AND AND BE ABLE TO WALK AROUND AND THEY DON'T USE THE WATER MUCH.

THE CITIZENS THAT I HAVE THAT I'VE SPOKEN WITH, THEY JUST WANT THAT ABILITY TO WALK DOWN THERE IN THE AFTERNOONS AND GET OUTSIDE AND LOOK AT THE LAKE.

AND THEN IT'S NEVER THAT MUCH OF A LOCAL CROWD.

IT REALLY COMES FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY AND OTHER COUNTIES NEARBY.

YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF PUTTING A FENCE, I'VE ALWAYS RATHER PUT A FENCE CLOSER TO THE FRONT THAN AT THE BACK, AND IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT THE IDEA OF TRYING TO USE A MARKET APPROACH AND FENCE CROWD CONTROL THE ACCESS IN.

AND THEN, HEY, LOOK, I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE ABOUT THE WATER NOT BEING IN OUR JURISDICTION AND WE'RE LETTING PEOPLE COME IN, BUT WE'RE LETTING PEOPLE COME INTO A PARK THAT'S A GROUND PARK.

IF THEY GET IN THE WATER, THAT'S WE'RE NOT CONDONING THAT.

AND WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO PUT SIGNAGE UP.

ALL ALONG THE LAKEFRONT, IT SAYS SWIM AT YOUR OWN RISK.

AND IT'S NOT DO NOT SWIM IN THIS IN THIS LAKE.

IT'S AGAINST AN ORDINANCE AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PAY ANY ATTENTION TO IT.

BUT WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO TO CONTROL OUR LIABILITY? BUT I THINK THE CITIZENS WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE THE ABILITY FOR THEIR ACCESS TO BE ABLE TO GET DOWN THERE AND USE IT AND THEN ON THE WEEKENDS CONTROL IT WITH ACCESS THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

I MEAN, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION AT THIS POINT.

THAT'S IT.

OK, THANK YOU.

WELL, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO, LIKE I SAID, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE MARKET DRIVEN APPROACH.

BUT I'D ALSO LIKE FOR THAT TO INCLUDE SOME SOME CAPACITY CAPS, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER MIGHT BE.

SO FOR CONSIDERATION.

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IF WE WANTED TO IF FOLKS WANT TO MAKE IT SO THAT IT'S FREE FOR RESIDENTS OR YOU GET A STICKER YOU PUT ON YOUR CAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

COUPLE OF THINGS.

I KNOW THAT WHEN WE RAISED JUST A FEW YEARS AGO AND IT WAS TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OH, MY GOD, HOW WOULD WE EVER PAY FOR IT? AND WE CAN'T HAVE IT BE FREE FOR PEOPLE.

SO, I MEAN, I DON'T REALLY CARE.

MAKE IT FREE FOR RESIDENTS.

YOU SAID SOME DOLLAR AMOUNT AND YOU COME BACK AND YOU TWEAK IT IF WE HAVE TO.

YOU LIMIT THE NUMBER.

I THINK THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S HOW WE DO SO MANY THINGS.

WE ITERATE AND WE MAY FIND THE PARTS OF THIS ARE A GOOD IDEA OR BAD IDEA OR WHATEVER.

YOU KNOW, A YOU KNOW, THE DEFENSE.

I THINK I GET IT.

I THINK THE GENERAL CONSENSUS IS THE FENCES.

YOU KNOW, FENCES AND FENCES ARE FOR PRISONS, NOT PARKS KIND OF THING.

AND SO I'M OK WITH GOING ON, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING THE FENCE.

IF I I GUESS I COULD ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY TO WEIGH IN.

IF YOU GUYS LOOKED AT THE, YOU KNOW, THE LEGALITY OF SWIMMING IN THE LAKE OR I MEAN, I'VE LOOKED AT THIS A WHILE AGO AND I COULD NEVER SEEM TO FIND THE THE ORDINANCE AND WHAT THE EFFECT OF IT IS.

IT'S I HATE TO DISAGREE WITH THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER'S INTERPRETATION HERE, BUT THE THE ORDINANCE THAT HE'S REFERENCING FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS, EVEN THOUGH DALLAS SAYS [INAUDIBLE] IS NOT THAT CLEAR, THE HISTORY THAT WE FOUND SEEMS TO APPLY TO BACHMAN LAKE.

AND WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH.

I THINK A LOT OF THAT IT'S NOT DUE TO [INAUDIBLE].

IT'S DUE TO THE INTERPRETATION BEING GIVEN BY DALLAS PD BECAUSE THEY WANT TO PUSH THIS PROBLEM BACK OVER TO US.

THE PROBLEM, THE REAL PROBLEM IS NOT WHO COULD ENFORCE IT IN A SENSE, IF YOU COULD GET DALLAS OUT THERE TO ENFORCE IT, ORDINANCE IN THE WATER.

THE PROBLEM IS THIS JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARY.

SO WE SAY IF WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE, IT SAID YOU MAY NOT SWIM IN THE LAKE, OK, THAT MAY BE FINE.

OR MORE PARTICULARLY, YOU CAN'T SWIM IN LAKE RAY HUBBARD.

AS SOON AS YOU STEP ACROSS THE TAKE LINE TO COMMIT THAT VIOLATION, YOU'RE IN ANOTHER JURISDICTION.

WE HAVE NO EFFECTIVE WAY OF MAKING A NO SWIMMING ORDINANCE ENFORCEABLE IN THAT REGARD.

IT'D BE HELPFUL IF DALLAS WOULD ENFORCE IT, BUT THEY'VE GOT OTHER THINGS TO DO AND I DON'T THINK THEIR PRIMARY PROBLEM, I'M NOT BLAMING DALLAS IN THAT REGARD.

ALL CITIES ARE BUSY ESPECIALLY ON HOLIDAYS LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH CROWD CONTROL.

BUT IT'S IT'S ONE OF THE INTRACTABLE PROBLEMS WITH THESE JURISDICTIONAL LINES, BECAUSE LIKE WE SAW AROUND THE CORNER, AT ROWLETT ROAD, YOU RUN INTO MUCH SAME PROBLEM.

AND SO WHAT MITCH THE CHIEF WERE SAYING IS TRUE IN THE SENSE THAT YOUR REAL SOLUTION IS ACCESS CONTROL OR ACCESS DENIAL OR ACCESS REGULATIONS.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN ENFORCE OUR WAY INTO A SOLUTION.

THANK YOU, BRAD.

THAT'S ALL I HAD MAYOR, THANK YOU.

MR. MAYOR, I SAW MR. BRADFORD JUMP IN FIRST SO I COULD HOLD ON TO MR. BRADFORD GO.

COUNCIL MEMBER MCNEIL.

WELL, I CERTAINLY DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT COUNCIL DISCUSSION SHORT, BUT I WAS GOING TO TO SUGGEST, MAYOR, THAT YOU ALLOW STAFF TO GO BACK AND BRING BACK SEVERAL OPTIONS FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.

GO AHEAD.

LET US DO THE NUMBER CRUNCHING THE COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS ASKED FOR.

AND AND WE'VE HAD SEVERAL OPTIONS THROWN OUT HERE TONIGHT.

WE'VE HAD SEVERAL OPTIONS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST.

AND SO WHEN WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, SIR, WE WOULD WE WOULD BE PREPARED TO GO BACK

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AND BRING ALL THE, ALL THE OPTIONS FORWARD WITH PROS AND CONS AND COST AND ALLOW YOU TO TO LOOK AT THE BUFFET LINE AGAIN, SO TO SPEAK.

YEAH, I'VE GOT SOME POINTS, BUT LET'S GO AHEAD AND HEAR FROM COUNCILOR MCNEAL.

JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS, CHIEF, MITCH, REGARDING THE FENCE.

THANK YOU, MR. BRADFORD.

JUST LOOK AT THE CALENDAR.

WE'RE ABOUT SIX WEEKS OUT FROM MEMORIAL DAY.

RIGHT? SO I'M ASSUMING CONSTRUCTION WOULD TAKE, THE CONSTRUCTION WOULD TAKE MORE THAN SIX WEEKS, RIGHT? YES, SIR.

IF WE WENT THE FENCE ROUTE, IT WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO KEEP IT CLOSED UNTIL THE FENCE WAS UP.

BUT WE CAN COME BACK TO COUNCIL IN SHORT ORDER WITH SOME OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT TO SEE HOW QUICKLY WE COULD IMPLEMENT THAT.

WE WERE JUST TRYING TO AVOID OPENING UP WITH WHATEVER THE NEW WHATEVER THE RESTRICTIONS WILL BE.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOMETHING IN PLACE SO WE DON'T GET OVERWHELMED THAT FIRST WEEKEND.

GOTCHA.

AND I, TOO, I'VE ALWAYS LIKED ACCESS TO TO TO THE AREA BECAUSE I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE ONE OF OUR GREAT ASSETS HERE IN THE CITY.

CHIEF BRYAN, REGARDING I THINK THAT THE MAYOR NICKERSON, MENTIONED THAT YOU MAY HAVE PLACED A CART AT THE ACCESS TO THE FRONT TO KIND OF LIMIT THAT FROM A RESOURCE PERSPECTIVE.

WHAT WHAT KIND OF IMPACT WOULD THAT BE IF WE TOOK THAT ACCESS OFF THE ACCESS ROAD TO GET INTO FOCUS? WHAT KIND OF IMPACT WOULD IT TAKE IF WE HAD A CAR THERE ARE SOME OFFICERS THERE.

AND THEN IF WE USE SOME OTHER MEASURES WITHIN THE BEACHES, I MEAN, WHICH IS NOT THE BEACH I'M SORRY, WITHIN THE THE PARK ITSELF.

I'M SORRY, YOUR YOUR QUESTION KIND OF CONFUSED ME.

WE HAD ACCESS AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE PARKS.

WE HAD OFFICERS AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE PARK THAT WORK WITH PARKS DEPARTMENT.

WE DID NOT HAVE OFFICERS.

WE HAD SIGNAGE AND MESSAGING FURTHER DOWN TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM COMING IN.

BUT AH, WE HAD TWO OFFICERS AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE PARK AND TWO OFFICERS WITHIN THE PARK.

AND THOSE ARE THE DAYS THAT WE DECIDED THAT WE WERE GOING TO LIMIT THE PARK TO TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED PEOPLE.

THAT'S HOW WE PERFORM THAT OPERATION.

THAT THE ENTRANCE TO THE PARK RIGHT THERE AND THERE WAS A LITTLE AREA THAT THEY COULD TURN AROUND AND THEN ADDITIONAL OFFICERS INSIDE THE PARK.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

YES, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WANTED TO GO, BECAUSE, AGAIN, I THINK AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, THE FURTHER WE KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD IS GOING TO JUST CONVINCE OUR REACTION TIME TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING.

SO TO COUNCILMAN NICKERSON, IF WE WANT TO OPEN THAT, THAT MAYBE IT'S JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, WE OPEN IT WITH A LIMITED NUMBER THAT WE CAN CONTROL AND, YOU KNOW, JUST SAY, HEY, LOOK, THIS IS THIS IS A CAPACITY AS WE WORK OUT THE PRICE AND IF WE DECIDE TO GO TO A MARKET DRIVEN OPTION.

BUT I THINK AND I DON'T KNOW, MITCH, ARE YOU THERE? MR. BRADFORD, HOW YOU GUYS WANT TO HOW DO YOU WANT TO GET IN THOSE NUMBERS? BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY, LOOK, THE SHORT TERM APPROACH WOULD BE WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT IF WE DID JUST A MINIMUM, WHICH IS ON THOSE DAYS SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT MEMORIAL DAY AND INDEPENDENCE DAY, JUST CAPACITY IS GOING TO BE TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED PERIOD.

AND SO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO LIMIT IT TO THAT CAPACITY.

COUNCILMAN NICKERSON, COULD YOU SELL THAT TO SOME OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS DOWN THAT WAY? YOU KNOW, IT WORKED.

IT DID WORK IN THE PREVIOUS TIMES AND WE TRIED TO DO THAT.

I THINK WE WERE ABLE TO MINIMIZE THE DISRUPTION OF THE CONTROL AT THE PARK GATE.

THE POLICE DID MAINTAIN THE, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS.

I THINK IT'S A.

I SEE THIS REALLY THERE'S THREE THINGS WE'VE GOT TO DO HERE.

ONE IS WE'VE GOT TO TEMPORARILY OPEN THE PARK AND MANAGE IT THE BEST WAY WE CAN FOR THOSE THOSE HIGH VOLUME WEEKENDS.

AND THEN I KNOW THE CHIEF HAS HAS HAD A METHOD TO DO THAT.

IT IS IT TAKES MANPOWER.

BUT FOR THOSE TWO WEEKENDS IN THE EARLY SUMMER MEMORIAL AND JULY 4TH, THAT MAY BE THE WAY WE HAVE TO DO IT TO OPEN IT UP.

AND I'M FOR THAT.

AND I THINK THE CITIZENS DOWN THERE WOULD BE ABLE WOULD BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THAT.

THE, BUT THE LONG TERM SOLUTION IS, I THINK, ONE OF ONE OF MANY OPTIONS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO SEE FROM CITY MANAGER AND HIS TEAM ONE MORE TIME AND GET THEM ALL TOGETHER AND TALK THROUGH THEM.

NONE OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE GREAT, BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE THAT ARE A LITTLE BETTER THAN OTHERS.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DETERMINE AND WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE.

BUT OUR CITIZENS NEED THAT PARK OPEN.

AND I WANT TO TRY TO DO THAT EVEN IN A TEMPORARY MODE.

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FIRST, IF WE CAN'T AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET A FENCE UP IN SIX OR EIGHT WEEKS, NOT THIS KIND OF FENCE.

SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME ENGINEERING.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME CONSTRUCTION TIME.

SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PLAN ON A TEMPORARY SOLUTION, REGARDLESS OF WHAT OUR FINAL SOLUTION IS FOR NOW.

AND THEN, MR. MAYOR, I THINK ANDY MENTIONED SOMETHING THAT CAUGHT MY EAR WAS OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE KNOW WHAT PEOPLE SHOULD AND SHOULD NOT BE DOING.

HOWEVER WE GET DOWN THERE, WE GET EMOTIONAL, AND WE DON'T WANT OUR STAFF.

WE DON'T WANT I EMPLOYEES TO BE ABUSED VERBALLY OR ANY OTHER KIND OF WAY.

SO WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO PUT STAFF IN THAT POSITION WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN WE ARE CREATING ANOTHER ISSUE.

BUT BUT AGAIN, I THINK DEFINITELY THAT SHORT TERM SOLUTION, REALIZING THAT WE MAY JUST HAVE TO HAVE THOSE CAPACITY CAPS ON INITIALLY.

BUT I THINK THAT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME UP FRONT WORK.

SO, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S MESSAGING TO THE RESIDENTS DOWN THERE, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE JUST GETTING OUT OF SOCIAL MEDIA.

WE'RE JUST GETTING OUT SOME THAT WE HAVE THIS GEM HERE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.

SO WE NEED TO GET IN FRONT OF THAT, TOO.

SO I WOULD SUGGEST ALSO, MR. BRADFORD, THAT WE TRY TO PUT OUR THOUGHTS ABOUT SOME KIND OF MESSAGING AS WELL, TO GO OUT WITH WHATEVER NUMBERS YOU COME BACK WITH, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THE NUMBERS OF RESIDENTS INVITING SOMEONE SOMEHOW TO GET THE WORD IS OUT THERE.

SO I WOULD THINK, I WOULD ASK THAT OUR MESSAGING BE INCLUDED.

WHAT COMES BACK FROM STAFF.

ALL RIGHT, SO MR. BRADFORD OBVIOUSLY HAD MENTIONED COMING BACK TO US WITH SOME FURTHER OPTIONS, JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS; FEE STRUCTURE, STAFFING REQUIREMENTS, WHETHER THAT'S PARKS AND OR POLICE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE ENTRYWAY AND CONTROLLING THE ACCESS, THE HOURS OF OPERATION THAT THIS WOULD BE IN EFFECT, CAPACITY NUMBERS WHETHER THIS NUMBER OF CARS, NUMBER OF PEOPLE, VEHICULAR ACCESS, OBVIOUSLY.

BUT THERE'S ALSO JUST BASIC PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.

YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WANTS TO WALK DOWN FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO WALK THEIR DOG.

AND THEN AS FAR AS THE MESSAGING, ONCE WE HAVE A SOLUTION, WHICH, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, THIS THIS PROBLEM PREDATES MAYOR PRO TEM NICKERSON.

SO WE'VE HAD WE'VE HAD ANY NUMBER OF SOLUTIONS.

WE'VE TRIED AND WE'VE ALWAYS WE'VE ALWAYS HAD MESSAGES THAT WENT ALONG WITH US.

SO WE'LL CERTAINLY INCORPORATE THAT AGAIN THIS TIME.

BUT, YES, YOU KNOW, I RECEIVED THREE PHONE CALLS IN ONE WEEK, TWO WEEKS AGO, FROM RESIDENTS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA WHO WANT THE PARK OPEN.

NOW, THESE ARE ALSO IN EVERY CONVERSATION I HAD WITH THEM WAS, YOU REALIZE, YOU'VE PROBABLY CALLED AND COMPLAINED ABOUT THIS PARK BEING OPEN PREVIOUSLY BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC, BECAUSE OF THE TRASH, BECAUSE OF WHATEVER.

THEY SAID YES, BUT WE WANT THE PARK OPEN BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE IT.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE GOT TO MOVE ON THAT.

LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM 4G, BACKUP GENERATORS FOR POWER OUTAGES.

[4G. Backup Generators for Power Outages]

MR. GAMECOCK, THERE YOU ARE.

YES, OUR MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I THINK CARMA IS GOING TO RUN THE PRESENTATION FOR SAYING VERY GOOD.

THERE WE GO.

WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT BACKUP GENERATION THAT CAN BE USED DURING POWER OUTAGES.

JONAS WHITEHEAD, OUR DISTRIBUTION DIRECTOR, IS ALSO ONLINE TONIGHT TO HELP ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

CARMA, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

FIRST OF ALL, WE JUST WANTED TO BRIEFLY RUN DOWN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE WAY OF ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROGRAMS AND REBATES WITH THOSE PROGRAMS. OUR FIRST PROGRAMS, OUR AC AND HEAT PUMP PROGRAM.

AND WE HAVE INCENTIVES BASICALLY BASED ON THE EFFICIENCY RATING OF THOSE, THAT EQUIPMENT.

WE ALSO HAVE A WINDOW AC UNIT PROGRAM THAT'S ALSO BASED ON THE SIZE OF THAT UNIT.

WE HAVE A WEATHERIZATION PROGRAM FOR HOUSING CEILING INSULATION, WINDOWS AND DOORS, SOLAR SCREENS, DUCT REPLACEMENT AND CEILING AND WEATHER STRIPPING OF, OF DOORS AND WINDOWS.

WE ALSO HAVE A COMMERCIAL LIGHTING RETROFIT PROGRAM.

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AND WE HAVE A SOLAR GENERATION INSTALLATION PROGRAM, WE'RE NO LONGER OFFERING DUEL CREDITS FOR THAT PROGRAM, BUT WE DO REQUIRE FOLKS TO FOLLOW ON INSTALLATION APPROVAL PROCESS.

NEXT SLIDE.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TWO GENERATORS TONIGHT, TWO CATEGORIES WITH PORTABLE GENERATORS WILL BE THE FIRST ONE IN STANDBY GENERATORS WILL BE THE SECOND TYPE THAT WE TALK ABOUT.

BUT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS OF PORTABLE GENERATORS, THEY THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO USE TO POWER LIGHTS AND SOME APPLIANCES DURING OUTAGES.

THEY ARE RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE.

THEY DO NOT TAKE UP ANY PERMANENT SPACE AND THERE'S LITTLE OR NO MAINTENANCE REQUIRED.

SOME OF THE CONS, THEY THEY ARE THE USAGE IS MANUAL.

YOU HAVE TO PHYSICALLY START THOSE YOURSELF.

THERE ARE SOME THAT THAT KIND OF ELECTRONIC START.

THEY WILL NOT POWER THE ENTIRE HOME.

TYPICALLY, YOU CAN RUN SOME LIGHTS AND SOME MAJOR APPLIANCES.

THEY DO EMIT CARBON MONOXIDE WHEN THEY'RE IN USE.

THEY DO REQUIRE A SEPARATE STORAGE FOR FUEL.

IF YOU IF YOU HAVE ONE, YOU KNOW THAT THEY ARE QUITE HEAVY AND DIFFICULT TO MOVE.

AND THEY DO DO MAKE SOME NOISE WHEN YOU'RE OPERATING THEM.

AS FAR AS STANDBY GENERATORS ARE CONCERNED, THE PROS AND CONS WITH THOSE AS WELL, THE STANDBY GENERATORS CAN THERE.

THERE ARE THOSE THAT CAN POWER THE ENTIRE HOME.

THEY ARE SET TO TURN ON AND OFF AUTOMATICALLY.

THEY THEY TYPICALLY TIE DIRECTLY INTO THE FUEL SUPPLY THAT'S THAT'S USED FOR THE HOME.

AND THEN IN MOST CASES, THEY DO, WILL INCREASE THE POTENTIAL VALUE OF THE HOME.

SOME CONS.

THEY ARE EXPENSIVE.

SEVEN TO TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS.

THEY DO TAKE UP SOME PERMANENT SPACE OUTSIDE.

THERE IS REGULAR MAINTENANCE INSPECTIONS THAT TYPICALLY TAKE PLACE WITH THESE, THIS EQUIPMENT.

THEY'RE ALSO NOISY WHEN THEY RUN AND THERE ARE RECOMMENDED WEEKLY MONTHLY TEST RUNS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE UNIT IS OPERATING PROPERLY.

THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AGAIN, JUST FOCUSING A LITTLE BIT MORE.

WE'RE GOING TO REPEAT SOME OF THE AREAS IN THE FIRST TWO SLIDES AS WE GO THROUGH THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES HERE.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO FOCUS ON IS WITH PORTABLE GENERATORS IS THEY DO IT CARBON MONOXIDE, AS WE TALKED ABOUT.

AND SO VENTILATION IS VERY IMPORTANT THERE.

THE RECOMMENDATION IS THEY SHOULD ONLY BE RAN 20 FEET OR MORE AWAY FROM WINDOWS AND DOORS.

AGAIN, AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, THE PROPER STORAGE OF THE FUEL IS IS A KEY COMPONENT TO TO PREVENT A FIRE HAZARD, AS WELL AS WHEN YOU'RE REFUELING A PORTABLE GENERATOR TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT DOING THAT WHEN IT'S RUNNING OR IT'S HOT BECAUSE THAT COULD CAUSE A FIRE HAZARD AS WELL.

ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE ELECTRICAL HAZARDS ASSOCIATED WITH PORTABLE GENERATORS AND MAINLY THOSE COME IF IT'S CORRECT, IF IT'S CONNECTED DIRECTLY TO THE HOUSE CIRCUITRY THAT CAN CAUSE BACK FEED ON POWER LINES, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WILL BE A HAZARD TO WORKERS, AS WELL AS POTENTIALLY RESIDENTS OR FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ENCOUNTER WIRES DURING FALLEN WIRES DURING STORMS. THERE'S ALSO SOME OF THIS STUFF GOING TO BE ALLEVIATED IF THERE'S AN AUTOMATIC TRANSFER SWITCH THAT CAN BE INSTALLED THAT WILL REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL EXPENSE AND A LITTLE MORE SOPHISTICATION WITH THE INSTALLATION OF A PORTABLE GENERATOR.

AND SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO FURTHER MENTION OF THE PORTABLE GENERATION SIDE.

AGAIN, WE AS WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU CAN THEY CAN BE SET UP TO POWER THE ENTIRE HOME.

STANDBY GENERATORS.

IT DOES HAVE A PERMANENT FUEL SOURCE WHICH IS DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO THE GENERATOR, THE AUTOMATIC TRANSFER SWITCH THAT HELPS ISOLATE THE GENERATOR FROM THE UTILITY, THAT IS PART OF THE NORMAL INSTALL OF THE STANDBY GENERATION SYSTEM.

THOSE ARE NORMALLY INSTALLED BY LICENSED ELECTRICIANS AND PROFESSIONALS THAT KNOW WHERE TO LOCATE THESE UNITS TO MINIMIZE THE EFFECT OF ANY CARBON MONOXIDE EMISSIONS.

IN SUMMARY, AGAIN, THE PORTABLE GENERATORS ARE CHEAPER, BUT HAVE SAFETY RELATED ISSUES WHEN USING AND AGAIN, THEY CANNOT TYPICALLY POWER THE ENTIRE HOUSE.

THE STANDBY GENERATORS ARE MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT MANY OF THE SAFETY RELATED ISSUES ARE ELIMINATED.

AND IN MOST CASES, THEY COULD POWER THE ENTIRE HOME.

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CURRENTLY, WE'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY INCENTIVE PROGRAMS THAT ARE OFFERED BY ELECTRIC UTILITY COMPANIES IN ERCOT ASSOCIATED WITH PORTABLE GENERATORS.

WE DO KNOW OF ONE INCENTIVE PROGRAM FOR STANDBY GENERATORS FROM A AN IOU IN ERCOT THAT ACTUALLY OFFERS A SMALL REBATE ASSOCIATED WITH INSTALLATION OF STANDBY GENERATION SYSTEMS .

BUT, TYPICALLY WHAT WE FOUND IN OUR LIMITED RESEARCH, AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL PRESENTATION OF THESE TWO OPTIONS.

MOST OF THE, MOST OF THE TIME, EVEN WHEN YOU LOOK ACROSS THE COUNTRY, MOST OF THE REBATES ARE ASSOCIATED WITH AREAS THAT ARE PRONE TO HURRICANES, WILDFIRES SUCH IN CALIFORNIA AND THOSE TYPES OF EVENTS.

SO WE JUST DON'T SEE, CURRENTLY SEE, AGAIN, THE WINTER WEATHER EVENT MAY CHANGE THAT, BUT CURRENTLY WE JUST DON'T SEE A LOT OF REBATES ASSOCIATED WITH EITHER PORTABLE GENERATORS OR STANDBY GENERATORS IN THE ERCOT MARKET TODAY.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE BELIEVE THAT'S THAT'S IT.

WE'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, I KNOW MS. EARNST HAD A FEW QUESTIONS AT THE BEGINNING.

I THINK I COULDN'T JOT THEM ALL DOWN.

BUT I THINK THE ANSWER TO THE FIRST FIVE QUESTIONS WAS NO.

AND THE LAST QUESTION AGAIN, WE DID WE DID SOME HIGH LEVEL RESEARCH HERE.

WE WANTED TO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S ADDITIONAL WORK TO BE DONE ON ANY SORT OF PROGRAM THAT WE MIGHT STRUCTURE THE SPECIFICS AROUND THAT.

BUT OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT TO GAUGE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION TONIGHT BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, SPEND MORE TIME INVESTIGATING THESE TWO OPTIONS AND [INAUDIBLE].

WITH THAT SAID, I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

WE'VE GOT LOTS CUED UP HERE, COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH.

I JUST WANT TO PUNCH IN EARLY ON THIS AND MENTIONED THAT LATER ON WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING DISTRIBUTED POWER IN THE FINANCIAL POSITION OF GP&L.

I WOULD VERY HIGHLY ENCOURAGE COUNSEL TO WAIT UNTIL THE END OF THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION PRIOR TO CREATING A NEW PROGRAMS OR REBATES.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW AT THIS TIME.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FINE TO HAVE DISCUSSION TONIGHT, BUT LET'S BE REAL, REAL CAREFUL BEFORE WE COMMIT TO ANY PARTICULAR PATH.

AND AND YES, SO THIS IS JUST AN OPENING VOLLEY DISCUSSION TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY INTEREST IN COUNCIL, WITH COUNCIL OR DOING THIS, BUT.

COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH IS QUITE CORRECT, AND THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO LAUNCH INTO SOMETHING, INTO FORMING THE DETAILS OF A NEW PROGRAM, IT WOULD BE PREMATURE.

SO I WILL JUST TELL YOU, I ASKED FOR THIS TO GO ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE AFTER THE SNOWMAGEDDON, I HAD TWO PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT WHO RELIED ON MEDICAL EQUIPMENT AND THEY CALLED IT A PANIC WHEN THE OUTAGE WENT OUT TO THE POINT THAT THEY WERE AT THE END OF THEIR BATTERY LIFE.

AND I WAS ABLE, WITH FRANTIC CALLING TO LOCATE TWO GENERATORS AND HAVE THEM DELIVERED ONE TO EACH HOUSE WITH SOMEBODY TO AND THESE ARE PORTABLES, OBVIOUSLY, AND HAVE SOMEBODY HOOK IT UP FOR THEM, SHOW THEM HOW TO USE IT.

AND THAT GOT THEM THROUGH THAT WEEK SAFELY, NOT COMFORTABLY, BUT SAFELY.

IN OUR OWN FAMILY, MY HUSBAND AND I ACTUALLY ARRANGED TO GET A PORTABLE GENERATOR, A SMALLER ONE FOR OUR DAUGHTER AND HER FAMILY, NOT BECAUSE WE HAD ANY CLUE ABOUT THE CRAZY THAT WAS GOING TO GO ON WITH THE EXTENDED OUTAGES.

BUT BECAUSE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, PREDICTED AS AN ICE STORM AND WE'VE LIVED THROUGH ICE STORMS BEFORE WHERE THEY ACCUMULATED ON LINES AND BROKE THEM.

AND WE WERE KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT EQUIPMENT DAMAGE THAT COULD MAKE AN EXTENDED OUTAGE BECAUSE OF THAT [INAUDIBLE] FAMILY, THEY HAVE MEDICALLY FRAGILE PEOPLE WHO REQUIRE MEDICAL EQUIPMENT, SO THAT ENDED UP BEING A REAL LIFE SAVER FOR THEM.

AND AND AND AGAIN, THEY WEREN'T COMFORTABLE, BUT THEY GOT THROUGH IT.

IT WAS ENOUGH TO RUN ONE SMALL HEATER AND THEIR MEDICAL EQUIPMENT.

SO I'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE AND MANY OF THEM OLDER SINCE THAT BAD WEEK.

AND A LOT OF THEM HAVE, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THEIR LIVES, BECOME INTERESTED IN OWNING A SMALL GENERATOR JUST AS A, AS GOD IS MY WITNESS, I WILL NEVER GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN, TYPE OF DEAL.

AND THEY CAN BE EXPENSIVE.

SO, SINCE WE HAVE THE ENERGY IS THE ENERGY SAVER PROGRAM WITH GP&L ALREADY, THAT WAS

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WHY I WANTED TO THROW THIS OUT THERE, SEE IF COUNCIL HAS ANY INTEREST.

AND I REALLY WASN'T ANTICIPATING THE WHOLE HOUSE, STAND BY.

I KNOW ONE PERSON WHO HAS DONE THAT AND IT COST ABOUT TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS AND SO HE'S GOT A COMPLETE AUTOMATIC BACKUP FOR HIS WHOLE HOUSE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO EVEN I DON'T THINK ANY REBATE WE COULD GIVE WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TOWARD AN EXPENDITURE OF THAT LEVEL TO DO MUCH GOOD.

SO MY MAIN THOUGHT WAS, DO WE WANT TO PROVIDE ANY KIND OF HELP FOR GARLAND CITIZENS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN GETTING A READILY AVAILABLE PORTABLE GENERATOR? DO WE WANT TO HELP THEM WITH THAT, WITH SOME KIND OF BUILD CREDIT? SO WITH THAT, I'LL GET OFF THE MIC AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AND SEE WHAT YOUR INCLINATIONS ARE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM NICKERSON.

I GUESS, I GUESS I COULD, I CAN SAY PRETTY MUCH STRAIGHT UP FRONT THAT I WOULD NOT BE FOR US GETTING INVOLVED IN THESE KIND OF PROGRAMS OR IN ANY WAY SHOULD WE CONSIDER.

LOOK, THE PROBLEM WITH PORTABLE GENERATORS IS THAT THEY NEVER WORK WHEN YOU NEED THEM BECAUSE NOBODY MAINTAINS THEM AND THE FUEL GOES BAD IN THEM.

THEY CALL IT THE CARBURETORS CLOG UP.

THEY DON'T WORK WHEN YOU NEED THEM UNLESS YOU REGULARLY MAINTAIN THEM AND RUN THEM.

AND IT'S LIKE ANYTHING ELSE.

AND WHAT I DON'T WANT US TO SEE IS SET UP A PROGRAM FOR PEOPLE THAT, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE ELDERLY AND REALLY HAVE MAYBE A HARD TIME EVEN WORK ON A LAWNMOWER ANYMORE.

AND DEALING WITH THE MAINTENANCE SIDE OF THAT.

AND, ALSO HOW YOU USE THESE PORTABLE GENERATORS, IT'S DANGEROUS IF YOU DON'T USE THEM PROPERLY.

WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THAT HERE AND EVEN SMALL PORTABLE ONES, IF YOU GET THEM TOO CLOSE TO AN EXTERIOR WINDOW AND, AND YOU'VE GOT TO RUN A CORD OUT TO IT.

SO YOU'RE OPENING WINDOWS OR SCREENS AND YOU'RE OPENING DOORS AND YOU CAN GET THE DRAFT INTO THE BUILDING.

THE CARBON MONOXIDE, NO MATTER WHERE YOU PUT THEM, PUT THEM IN A GARAGE OR OUTSIDE, WHATEVER, IT'S DANGEROUS IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE THEM.

AND I WOULD HATE FOR, THERE'S JUST SEEMS TO ME TO BE A LOT OF LIABILITY ISSUES.

POTENTIAL PEOPLE GET MAD BECAUSE THE GENERATOR DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T MAINTAIN IT.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY WANT TO TIE US INTO IT BECAUSE WE HAD A REBATE PROGRAM OR SOMETHING.

FRANKLY, IF THEY ARE SERIOUS ABOUT IT, THEN IT TAKES A SERIOUS COMMITMENT TO MAINTAIN A GENERATOR.

AND I'M JUST WORRIED THAT SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT WERE MOST TRYING TO HELP ARE THOSE THAT ARE REALLY LEAST CAPABLE OF PERFORMING AND MAINTAINING A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT LIKE THAT, NO MATTER HOW SMALL IT IS.

SO BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO SAY, I THINK IT'S GOT A LOT OF DANGEROUS SITUATIONS.

I'VE HAD THEM IN MY HOUSE AND I PUT AN AUTOMATIC TRANSFER SWITCH IN AND 100 PANEL LIKE I RUN MY WHOLE HOUSE OFF OF A PORTABLE GENERATOR.

BUT IT WAS STILL SOMETHING I HAD TO MAINTAIN THAT GENERATOR.

AND SO I JUST WORRY ABOUT IT.

AND I CAN TELL YOU, PROBABLY 50 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAD GENERATORS, THEY COULDN'T RUN THEM BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T MAINTAINED AND THEY SET IN THEIR GARAGE WHILE THEY FROZE.

I KNOW BECAUSE MINE DID AND I HAD A PORTABLE GENERATOR, I THOUGHT I COULD CRANK IT RIGHT UP AND RUN IT TO YOU BECAUSE I LIKE THE RUN.

SO IN IT, DID YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS NOW? IT'S IN THE LAWNMOWER SHOP AND COULDN'T EVEN GET A CARBURETOR FOR BECAUSE THEY'RE OUT OF CARBURETORS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

SO THERE'S ABOUT A MILLION OF THEM THAT DON'T RUN BECAUSE OF IT.

LET'S LET'S AVOID THAT AND STAY OUT OF THAT BUSINESS.

I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S FRAUGHT WITH ALL SORTS OF ISSUES THAT WE DON'T UNDERSTAND.

THAT'S MY TWO CENTS.

COUNCILOR WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I JUST WANTED TWO THINGS THAT I JUST WANT TO ECHO COUNCILMAN SMITH'S ADVICE ON THIS.

AND MY SECOND PIECE IS, IS SAFETY.

SO, IF WE MOVE DOWN THE ROAD WITH THIS PROGRAM, I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT INSPECTOR, INSPECTOR BE HOLDING HANDS AND MARCHING DOWN THE AISLE WITH THE WITH OUR ELECTRICAL FOLKS ON THIS.

I'M AWARE OF DURING THE STORM, A NEIGHBOR DOWN IN MY HOMETOWN, THEY HAD ONE AND THEY PUT IT IN THEIR GARAGE AND THEY ENDED UP LOSING THEIR WHOLE HOUSE.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

SO I THINK THAT.

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FOR SAFETY, AND THEN WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE AGE OF OUR HOUSING STOCK AND MANY OF OUR AREAS DISTRICTS.

THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME EDUCATION, SOME SAFETY THINGS BEFORE I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE ROLLING THIS OUT.

I'M MAKING A SUGGESTION TO PEOPLE TO GO OUT AND BUY GENERATORS.

I THINK I HAVE SOME SERIOUS SAFETY CONCERNS.

SO SO I'M NOT AT THE POINT OF SAYING WE SHOULD ROLL IT OUT.

I THINK THERE, THERE IS, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO.

AND LIKE I'VE SAID, THIS SHOULD BE GUIDED HAND IN HAND.

IF WE'RE GOING TO EVEN EXPLORE THIS, MAKE, WE MAKE SURE THAT THE FOLKS, AND THE FOLKS ON OUR STAFF WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR SAFETY ARE HAND IN GLOVE TOGETHER ON THIS BECAUSE OUR POPULATION IS GETTING OLDER, OUR HOUSING STOCK IS OLDER.

AND I JUST WOULD NOT YOU KNOW, WE WOULD, I THINK, TEAR ALL OF US UP IF WE LOST SOMEBODY HERE.

SO I THINK MY ADVICE WOULD BE THAT WE WALK VERY SLOWLY WITH THIS PROGRAM.

THANKS MR. MAYOR.

MR. HANCOCK, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE ENERGY SAVERS PROGRAM.

CAN YOU GIVE ME AN IDEA ABOUT WHAT IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE ANNUALLY PROVIDE TO THAT PROGRAM? THE THREE HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND.

OK, THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S ALREADY A GREAT PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE.

AND ALL THOSE FUNDS THAT WE USE THAT EVERY YEAR IN ROLLOVER, IS THAT PRETTY TYPICAL, THE AMOUNT THAT'S SO I GUESS I'M ASKING IS IT IS THAT THREE HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND? IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT USED EVERY YEAR OR NOT? YES, TYPICALLY.

TYPICALLY WE USE THE ENTIRE FUNDS EACH YEAR.

FOR MANY OF THE REASONS THAT MAYOR PRO TEM NICKERSON SAID, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS PROGRAM EITHER, EVEN IF WE WEREN'T IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

AND I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT ANYTHING LIKE THAT RIGHT NOW.

THE, ON THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION PIECE, TOM, CORRECT ME IF I'M GETTING THIS WRONG, WE'RE TALKING DISTRIBUTIVE GENERATION MEANS THAT IF YOU HAVE TYPICALLY REFERS TO IF YOU HAVE SOLAR PANELS OR OTHER STUFF AT HOME THAT YOU'RE SELLING IT BACK INTO THE GRID, THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE KIND OF GENERATING AND SENDING IT BACK THE OTHER WAY.

AND SO THERE ARE BILLS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT, THAT THE LEGISLATURE IS CONSIDERING THAT WE'LL DISCUSS OR THAT WILL DEAL WITH THE OBLIGATIONS OF UTILITIES LIKE GP&L TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN AND TO LET PEOPLE SELL BACK INTO THE GRID, WHETHER IT'S AND I THINK WHETHER IT'S NATURAL GAS GENERATED, DIESEL GENERATOR OR ANY KIND OF THING.

IS THAT RIGHT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

OK, CLOSE ENOUGH I GUESS, GOOD.

SO, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS, THAT IS OUT THERE.

AND FOR THAT AND OTHER REASONS, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD INCENTIVIZE THIS KIND OF ACTIVITY.

AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SUGGESTING AT ALL, THAT THIS IS A PATH FORWARD, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT SOMEONE SICK AT HOME, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD GO OUT AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOVE THEM, YOU SHOULD GO BUY A GENERATOR FOR HIM.

I'M JUST A LITTLE.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE PATH I THINK THAT'S A WORTHY PROBLEM TO LOOK AT SOLVING.

WE CERTAINLY HEARD ABOUT THAT, FOLKS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR CAPABILITY.

I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH ALREADY ADDRESSED SOME OF THIS WHEN ASKING STAFF AS WE REDUCE SOME OF THESE REC CENTERS TO INCLUDE BACKUP GENERATION, I THINK THE SOLUTION HERE IS GOING TO BE A COMMITMENT, TO HAVING SOME FORM OF SOME FORM OF BACKUP GENERATION IT AND IF WE HAVE THAT AND EVEN IF WE DON'T NEED IT, I MEAN, WE COULD ACTUALLY SELL THAT BACK INTO THE GRID, I THINK.

DON'T WE ALREADY DO THAT? MR. HANCOCK, OVER AT.

I DON'T KNOW.

WHAT IS IT? YES, SIR.

WE HAVE WE HAVE THOSE, THOSE FACILITIES PARTICIPATING IN THE ERS PROGRAM WITH ERCOT.

SO, YES, SIR.

THEY DO SELL SOLAR ENERGY BACK INTO THE GRID.

SO NOW, LET ME ASK YOU THIS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IF WE ARE SELLING BACK INTO THE GRID AND THEN WE HAVE A PROBLEM, WE WE CAN USE THAT.

I MEAN, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO SELL THAT INTO THE GRID.

WE'RE GOING TO USE IT LOCALLY FOR THIS INFRASTRUCTURE.

NO, SIR.

ONCE YOU, ONCE YOU SELL THAT CAPACITY INTO THAT MARKET, YOU GET A PAYMENT FOR THAT AND THEN YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE IT AS PART OF THAT PROGRAM.

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NOW, THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL GENERATION YOU CAN HOLD BACK AND DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

BUT AS FAR AS PARTICIPATING, IF YOU PARTICIPATE IN THE ERS PROGRAM, YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE THAT CAPACITY TO THE MARKET WHEN IT'S CALLED UPON.

OK, SO I GUESS WE'D NEED FURTHER DISCUSSION IF WE WERE GOING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT THEN FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE.

BUT BUT IN ANY EVENT, I THINK THAT IF WE WANT TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM, I MEAN, I THINK YOU, MAY BE THE THING TO DO IS TO SEND THIS TO PUBLIC SAFETY, TO LOOK AT THE CRITICAL LIFE SAFETY LISTS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE, THAT WE ALREADY MAINTAIN AND SAY THAT IF YOU'RE ON THIS LIST AND YOU LOSE YOUR VIEW, WE COMMUNICATE WITH THOSE FOLKS.

IF YOU LOSE YOUR POWER, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE SET ASIDE ONE OF THE REC CENTERS THAT WE MAY HAVE SOME THAT ARE JUST FOR GENERAL USE IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE OUT OF POWER.

BUT WE MAY HAVE SOME THAT IT'S LIKE, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EXTRA GENERATION CAPACITY THERE AND LOTS OF BLOGS AND OUTLETS FOR OXYGEN CONCENTRATORS, OR WHATEVER ELSE YOU NEED, AND MAYBE PICK ONE OF THE REC CENTERS THAT ALSO HAS HAS A FULL KITCHEN.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT MIGHT NEED TO USE A COMBINATION OF THAT AND IF PEOPLE NEED MORE THAN THAT, THEN IT'S A HOSPITAL TRIP.

AND, AND, BUT, BUT IF WE HAVE THAT LIST AND WE WORK OFF THAT LIST OF THAT CRITICAL LIFE SAFETY EQUIPMENT, THEN, THEN I THINK WE, WE HAVE SOMETHING TO START WITH.

AND SO I THINK THAT IN THIS INSTANCE, ALTHOUGH I APPRECIATE THE IDEA AND I APPRECIATE BRINGING COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS MORE BRINGING FORWARD, I JUST I'M REAL WORRIED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE DEATHS.

THE ONLY DEATHS THAT WE HAD DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO THE SNOWSTORM WERE ACTUALLY TWO GUYS WHO, WHO RAN A GENERATOR INSIDE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WITH EVERYTHING THAT GETS SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN ABOUT RUNNING GENERATION IN THE SENATE, YOU'D HOPE THAT THAT WOULD GET THROUGH TO PEOPLE.

BUT THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T [INAUDIBLE] IS, IS DOESN'T MAINTAIN IT DOESN'T PUT IT WHERE ITS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AND PUTS THEMSELVES OR OTHERS AT RISK.

AND I'D HATE TO FIND OUT THAT WE WERE LOSING MORE LIVES THAN WE WERE SAVING BY, BY ENCOURAGING GENERATIONS.

SO I THINK IF THE CITY TOOK TOOK THAT ON WITH RESPECT TO SOME OF OUR CENTERS, THAT'S GREAT.

SO I'D SUGGEST WE SEND SOMETHING TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND HAVE THEM LOOK AT A WAY TO, TO MAKE AND PROMOTE THAT PROGRAM FOR FOLKS GOING FORWARD.

DEPUTY MAYOR TIM MORRIS.

I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THIS.

I BROUGHT THIS FORWARD AT THE REQUEST OF SOME SPECIFIC CITIZENS.

SO I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT THIS ISN'T SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO PURSUE.

AND, AND THE THING WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED IN THE PAST, AND I AND WE'LL HOPEFULLY BE MOVING FORWARD ON WITH HAVING REC CENTERS THAT ARE READY TO GO, THAT WON'T BE SUBJECT TO POWER OUTAGES WHERE WE CAN DO, WHERE WE CAN GET PEOPLE WHO ARE IN NEED TO THEM QUICKLY WITHOUT BEING CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE OTHER ISSUES THAT WILL HELP MOVING FORWARD.

SO I WILL WITHDRAW THIS FROM CONSIDERATION.

I THINK THAT'S, SO WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THIS COMING BACK UP FOR CONVERSATION IN THE FUTURE.

AND I APPRECIATE IT.

TOM AND JONAS, APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND INVESTIGATING THIS FOR US.

SO THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I WILL NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THIS EITHER.

COUNCIL MEMBER VERA.

I HAD TWO PEOPLE THAT DIED IN MY DISTRICT BECAUSE OF A GENERATOR.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE IN IT, AND THOSE GENERIC GENERATORS THAT.

AND THEY PUT OUT IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSES, THEY CAUSED FIVE TO TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS AND THERE'S A 40 TO 50 DOLLAR FEE EVERY MONTH TO KEEP IT UP TO SERVICE IT.

AND IN THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HELP, WE'RE NOT HELPING THEM IS THE PEOPLE THAT GOT THE MONEY TO DO IT.

BUT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE MONEY.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS.

SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF IT.

THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY.

WE'VE CLEARED THE QUEUE ON THIS, AND I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR WE'RE NOT POSITIONED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROGRAM.

BUT I WILL SAY TO MAYOR PRO TEM NICKERSON'S POINT, I HAVE TROUBLE GETTING MY LAWNMOWER TO START EACH SPRING AFTER IT SITS UP FOR THE WINTER, OK? AND I'M PRETTY GOOD AT MAINTAINING ENGINES AND THINGS.

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BUT IMAGINE THAT THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE BEEN, I'VE HAD WITH PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS THING MAY SIT IN YOUR GARAGE FOR TWO YEARS BEFORE YOU EVEN LOOK SIDEWAYS AT IT.

AND THE RELIABILITY OF IT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE A CAR YOU DON'T PUT A KEY IN IT AND START IT.

THERE'S, THERE'S SOME EFFORT INVOLVED.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IF PEOPLE WANT TO GET A GENERATOR, GREAT.

I THINK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.

UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T EVER DO IT.

AND THEN WHEN I NEED ONE, I DON'T HAVE ONE, YOU KNOW.

SO I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO YOU KNOW, AND I'VE HAD SOME OF THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS AND WITH CITIZENS.

AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK MORE AT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE EXPERIENCE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAW DURING THE WINTER STORM.

I THINK WE COULD DO A WHOLE LOT BETTER.

I THINK WE COULD DO A LOT BETTER.

WE HAVE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS THINGS THAT WE DO AND INFORMATION THAT WE PUT OUT.

BUT I THINK IT COULD BE IT'S IT'S NOT AS BROAD OR AS ALL ENCOMPASSING AS IT SHOULD BE.

YES, THERE'S BEING PREPARED FOR AN EMERGENCY, BUT THERE'S ALSO SURVIVING AN EMERGENCY.

AND WE DON'T REALLY GO INTO THAT IN ANY GREAT DETAIL.

AND SOME OF THE THINGS I HEARD DURING THE STORM, IN THE AFTERMATH WERE, THERE WERE THINGS THAT DIDN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO HAPPEN OR THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T NEED TO EXPERIENCE.

AND I THINK WE CAN PUT SOME MORE EFFORT INTO SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

SO EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND EMERGENCY SURVIVAL.

SO I'VE GOT A FEW POINTS ON THAT, THAT I'LL TOUCH BASE WITH MR. BRADFORD IN OUR OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ON AS WELL.

SO.

SO AT THIS POINT COUNCIL, I THINK I THINK WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE GENERATOR IDEA ON THE SHELF.

IT WAS CERTAINLY WORTHY OF THE INVESTIGATION TO START THE PROCESS.

BUT OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT IN THE POSITION TO MOVE ON IT.

SO THANK YOU, MR. HANCOCK, JONAS, FOR BRINGING US HERE.

WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE, ANNOUNCE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS.

[5. Announce Future Agenda Items]

COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH.

I THINK FOR THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER PUBLIC TRACKING AND IDENTIFICATION OF OUR EWS [INAUDIBLE] THE EXISTING GPS SYSTEMS. I'M SORRY, CAN YOU.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO SEND YOU AN EMAIL.

OK, FAIR ENOUGH, BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF WORDS IN THERE AND BUT, BUT ROBIN, I SAID THERE WAS NO WAY I WAS GOING TO WRITE UP BEING ABLE TO WRITE ALL THAT DOWN THERE.

I SAID IT QUICKLY ON PURPOSE.

AND DOVETAILING OFF OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATION ABOUT GENERATORS, BUT ON A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT PREPAREDNESS TOPIC, I WOULD LIKE THIS TO LOOK AT POSSIBLY A WATER KEY PROGRAM THAT WAS WITH NEW WATER ACCOUNTS.

I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT MAYBE A LITTLE BIT AROUND THERE, SOMETHING THAT OTHER CITIES DO SO WELL.

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MORRIS IS THE SECOND ON THAT ONE AND OUR THIRD AND FOURTH AND FIFTH AT ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? NO, SIR.

THAT WAS IT.

ALL RIGHT, ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? ALL RIGHT, I'VE GOT A COUPLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, TWO THINGS.

ONE IS TO REVIEW AND UPDATE THE POLICY FOR NAMING CITY FACILITIES.

AND THE SECOND ONE IS REVIEW AND UPDATE POLICY, OR I GUESS FOR BOTH POTENTIALLY UPDATES POLICY FOR NAMES TO BE INCLUDED ON THE PLAQUES THAT GO INTO OUR NEW CITY FACILITIES WHEN WE OPEN THEM.

AND SO IF YOU GUYS COULD LOOK AT THAT, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS IS SORT OF A TIME SENSITIVE ISSUE BECAUSE WE HAVE LOTS OF NEW FACILITIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE OPENING VERY SOON.

BUT NO PRESSURE.