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THE APRIL, 1920

[ Public Safety Committee on April 19, 2021.]

21 PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING IN THE AGENDA.

WE'LL START, UH, FROM THE ONE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR FEBRUARY THE FIRST 2021 CHAIRMAN I MOVE TO APPROVE.

OKAY.

SECOND, SECOND.

OKAY.

UH, WE'VE GOT, UH, TO APPROVE FROM MR. DYLAN.

I'M IN COUNSELING AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BJ AND LET'S VOTE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

YEP.

100%.

OKAY.

YOU DISAPPEARED BJ FEAR.

I'M GOING TO CHANGE THE BACKGROUND AGAIN.

OKAY.

UM, OKAY, SO WE'LL GO TO AGENDA.

NUMBER TWO ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.

TWO A IS GREAT.

YOU PARKING ORDINANCE FOR UNREGISTERED VEHICLE STORED ON THE STREETS.

I GUESS THAT WOULD BE ME.

OKAY.

TAKE THAT ITEM.

UM, SO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, IF YOU RECALL, UH, THOSE OF YOU, I GUESS MR. WILLIAMS, YOU WERE NOT ON COUNCIL AT THE TIME.

WHEN WE PUT THE ORDINANCE IN PLACE, THE ORIGINAL PARKING ORDINANCE, WE HAD A LIST OF MISCELLANEOUS OFFENSES.

UH, ONE OF WHICH I RECOMMENDED WAS UNREGISTERED VEHICLES.

AND AT THE TIME THE COUNCIL, UH, DID NOT APPROVE ON REGISTERED BECAUSE THE CONCERN IS, IT JUST CREATES FODDER FOR NEIGHBORS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT OTHER NEIGHBORS, BECAUSE THEY'RE A DAY OVER OR TWO DAYS OVER A WEEK OVER OR SOME SUCH THING.

UH, ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE GET, UH, VERY FREQUENTLY, HOWEVER, IS UNREGISTERED VEHICLES.

AND IT'S TYPICALLY THE FOLLOWING SCENARIO.

WE'LL GET SOMEBODY WHO'S GOT, UH, FOUR OR FIVE OR SIX VEHICLES PARKED ACROSS THE STREET FROM THEM AT A NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.

AND THEY TELL ME ALL OF THE VEHICLES ARE UNREGISTERED AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE PERSON'S BUYING UP VEHICLES TO THEN WORK ON THEM AND FIX THEM AND LEAVES THEM OUT IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE, TAKING UP ALL THE PARKING STREETS, SPOTS ON THE STREET, UH, UNTIL THEY GET AROUND TO FIXING THEM AND SELLING THEM.

AND SO WE GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT VEHICLES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME THAT ARE UNREGISTERED.

NOW, THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS, IS THE VEHICLES THAT SIT THERE, WE GO OUT AND PUT A TAG ON THEM.

IF THEY'RE THERE MORE THAN 48 HOURS, THEN WE WRITE THEM A TICKET.

BUT AS SOON AS WE PUT A TAG ON THEM, THAT WE BELIEVE THEY'VE BEEN THERE MORE THAN 48 HOURS, THEY MOVED THEM A COUPLE OF FEET AND THEN THEY MOVED THEM BACK A COUPLE OF FEET AND THEY MOVE THEM FORWARD A COUPLE OF FEET, BUT THEY STILL TAKE UP ALL THE SPACE IN FRONT OF THE, UH, MANY OF THE HOUSES AND MANY OF THESE VEHICLES ARE UNREGISTERED.

UH, NOW DURING THE PANDEMIC, WE WOULD GET THESE COMPLAINTS WITH GREAT REGULARITY, BUT OF COURSE, UH, PAN DURING THE PANDEMIC, THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY, SUSPENDED ENFORCEMENT OF, UH, RE UNREGISTERED VEHICLES, THAT'S NOW BEEN PUTTING BACK IN PLACE.

WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS, IS SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WOULD SATISFY THE CONCERNS OF COUNCIL THAT WE DON'T WANT NEIGHBORS BECOMING, UH, AT ODDS WITH ONE ANOTHER OVER A FEW DAYS, REGISTRATION AND EXPLORATION, BUT THAT FOR VEHICLES THAT ARE EXPIRED OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, WHETHER IT BE THREE MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS SOMEPLACE WHERE THE PEOPLE HAVE INDICATED THAT THEY JUST DON'T ATTEND, THEY'VE REGISTERED THE VEHICLES AND THEY'RE LEAVING THEM OUT ON THE STREET IS STORAGE.

THAT IF WE COULD ENFORCE THAT, UH, BY WRITING A CITATION FOR AN UNREGISTERED VEHICLE PARKED ON THE CITY STREETS OVER SOME PERIOD, IF IT'S OVER SIX MONTHS, THREE MONTHS, WHATEVER THAT WOULD, UH, REDUCE THE NUMBER OF THESE VEHICLES THAT ARE SITTING ON OUR STREETS, PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO PUT THEM IN THEIR DRIVEWAYS OR WOULD HAVE TO GET RID OF THEM ALL TOGETHER.

AND SO I KNOW THAT, UH, COUNCIL, A WOMAN MORRIS HAD ASKED ABOUT THIS AND I THINK A COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS HAD ASKED ABOUT IT.

AND I KNOW THAT, UH, FROM MY DISCUSSIONS WITH SEVERAL OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, THAT IT'S AN, IT'S AN AREA OF INTEREST.

THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE DO IT IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T BECOME DRACONIAN? AND, AND MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE EITHER THREE OR SIX MONTHS EXPIRED, AND THEN WE MAKE IT AN OFFENSE TO PARK ON A PUBLIC STREET, A VEHICLE THAT IS UNREGISTERED OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME.

AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE ON THAT.

WELL, COUNCILMAN BILLY.

YEAH.

I'LL TAKE MS. CHAIRMAN, MIKE, I AGREE WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION

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BECAUSE LIKE HE SAID, UH, YOU KNOW, OVER HERE ON NEIGHBORS AGAINST NEIGHBORS, AND SOMETIMES THEY PUT THE CAR IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMETHING THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PARKING ISSUE.

AND YOU'VE GOT SOME, SOME FOLKS WHO, WHO ARE HABITUAL AND DOING THAT AND DOING THAT.

SO I LIKE THE THREE TO SIX MONTHS ARE EXPIRED AND I THINK IT MAKES IT MORE MANAGEABLE.

WELL, AND I THINK IT ALSO SERVES BETTER FOR YOUR TEAM FOR YOUR MARSHALS, BECAUSE WE CAN'T BE EVERYWHERE.

AND SOME ARE SOME OF THE FOLKS WHO CALL, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT YOU OUT RIGHT NOW AND THEN THEY COMPLAIN AND THEN IT'S JUST LIKE CHASING THE WIND.

SO I TOLD HIM WE, AND I LIKED YOUR SUGGESTION.

SO THAT WAY IT, UH, IT, UH, DECREASES THE COMPLIANCE, BUT ALSO SUPPORT YOUR STAFF AND MAKE THIS MORE MANAGEABLE BECAUSE FRANKLY IT'S PARKING ISSUES CHASING THE WIND.

SO AS CHAIRMAN, I WAS MIKE'S SO RECOMMENDATION.

THANKS MR. CHAIR, MR. DYLAN, ONE QUESTION AGAIN, MIKE, WHAT IS THE OFFENSE AGAIN? SO IT WOULD BE THE CAR KING OF AN UNREGISTERED VEHICLE ON A PUBLIC STREET RIGHT NOW IT'S AGAINST THE LAW TO OPERATE AN UNREGISTERED VEHICLE, BUT SIMPLY HAVING IT PARKED ON THE STREET IS NOT AGAINST THE LAW.

AND SO PEOPLE WILL CALL US ALL THE TIME AND COME OUT AND SAY, WELL, IS THE VEHICLE PARKED IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE? AND IT PARKS THERE EVERY DAY AND IT'S UNREGISTERED.

AND IT HAS BEEN REGISTERED IN, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS AND WE'LL GO OUT AND SEE IT.

AND SURE ENOUGH, IT'S THERE.

WE'LL, WE'LL EAT EACH OFF THE TIRE BY TAKING A PICTURE AS WE DO WITH OUR MACHINES, WE'LL GO BACK IN 24, 48 HOURS AND THE VEHICLE HAS MOVED A LITTLE BIT.

MAYBE IT'S LEFT AND COME BACK AND PARK, BUT IT'S PARKED THERE UNREGISTERED.

AND AGAIN, THE GUY WHO JUST DOESN'T REGISTER HIS CAR, I'M NOT SO CONCERNED ABOUT AS I AM ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE FOUR, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX CARS THAT THEY BOUGHT AT AUCTION AND HAVE SIT IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE ON REGISTERED.

AND THEY JUST SIT THERE FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AT A TIME.

AND THEN WHEN WE GO OUT THERE AND ENFORCE, THEY MOVE THEM A FEW INCHES BACK AND FORTH.

SO WE CAN'T WRITE THEM A TICKET BECAUSE THEY HAVE MOVED, BUT THEY'RE REALLY JUST STORING VEHICLES ON THE STREET THAT AREN'T REGISTERED BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO WORK ON THEM OR FIX THEM, OR DO WHATEVER WITH THEM.

SO IT WOULD ALLOW US TO ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM, WHICH THOSE OCCUR WITH SOME DEGREES REGULARLY.

AND THEN THE, UH, THE FINE WOULD BE A FINE THAT THEY WOULD PAY, OR WE CAN IMPOUND THE VEHICLE.

POTENTIALLY IT WOULD BE A $25 TICKET, LIKE ALL THE REST OF THE TICKETS AND ADMINISTRATIVE TICKETS, JUST LIKE ALL THE REST OF THE PARKING TICKETS.

YOU KNOW, WE DO TWENTY-FIVE FIRST DEFENSE, 52ND, 75 FOR EVERY ADDITIONAL, WITHIN A ROLLING CALENDAR YEAR.

RIGHT? YEAH.

AND I BET IF WE GO, EVEN ON THE LOW END, IF WE GO 90 DAYS, THREE MONTHS, UH, ENFORCEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD RATHER US GO AT SHORTER TIME PERIOD THAN THE SIX MONTHS, JUST TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE SYSTEM, SERVE IN A MORE TIMELY MANNER THAN HAVING TO WAIT THAT SIX MONTHS.

IT'S, UH, IT'S BECOMING A PROBLEM.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MR. CHAIR, MY FOLKS WOULD NOT BE OUT LOOKING, DRIVING AROUND, LOOKING AT EVERY STICKER.

IT WOULD REALLY BE FOR THE ONES WHERE WE GOT COMPLAINTS ABOUT VEHICLES THAT HAD SAT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.

AND THEN WE GO OUT AND THEY PLAY THE GAME OF MOVING IT BACK AND FORTH.

AT LEAST WE HAVE A TOOL THEN TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THOSE VEHICLES.

OKAY, I'VE GOT DOWN.

I'VE GOT ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU.

WHAT ABOUT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT DON'T HAVE ROOM AT THEIR HOUSE WHEN THE BAD CAR? AND THEY PUT IT ALL OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I HAD ONE RED NOW, AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME COMPLAINTS IN THIS GUY.

KEEPING, WE BEEN GETTING COMPLAINTS FROM HIM FOR A LONG TIME.

AND HE HAD BEEN TICKETED AND, UH, UM, CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS TAKEN HIM TO THE COURTS AND EVERYTHING AND, AND, UH, HE PAID THE FINES AND HE STILL KEEPS ON BRINGING CARS AND PARKING THEM ON THE STREETS.

THESE ARE CARS THAT ARE, I GUESS, ARE UNREGISTERED THAT HE'S BRINGING HOME TO WORK ON.

YES, SIR.

AND, UH, THEN I THINK THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU.

I DON'T KNOW IF I TOLD YOU THIS BEFORE HE HAS A, A, UM, TRANSMISSION REPAIR SHOP ON FIRST STREET AND AVENUE D AND HE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING OVER THERE.

SO HE BRINGS IT OVER HERE TO, UM, UM, WHAT IS THAT STREET ON? UH, THE LIGHT ON THIS SIDE OF, UH, UH, CHILO GO WEST, THE TURN LEFT IN THERE, DO MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

I CAN'T THINK OF THAT STREET.

K.

HE, HE LIVES ABOUT THREE HOUSES FROM, FROM THAT DELIGHT.

AND, UH, HE STILL BRINGS SCARS THERE.

I STILL GET COMPLAINTS

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ALL THE TIME ABOUT HIM PARKING THOSE CARS.

WELL, TO THE EXTENT, CAN WE DO ABOUT THAT TO THE EXTENT THAT THE VEHICLES ARE REGISTERED, THIS WOULD NOT ADDRESS THAT.

UH, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.

IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT PROBLEM.

IF IT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S MAYBE VIOLATING OUR HOME OCCUPATION ORDINANCE, BUT I HADN'T SAID ANYTHING BECAUSE I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP AFTER WE PASSED THIS ORIGINS OR WHATEVER.

YEAH.

AND, AND BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY POSTED FOR REGISTRATION TODAY, I WOULD SAY, IT SOUNDS LIKE IF THESE ARE VEHICLES HE'S WORKING ON AND FIXING THAT ARE ACTUALLY OPERATING VEHICLES, THEY MAY NOT BE UNREGISTERED.

THERE MAY BE.

SOME OF THEM MAY BE UNREGISTERED IN WHICH CASE, UH, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS IT WITH THIS ORDINANCE, OTHERWISE, UH, YOU KNOW, I STILL INTEND TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL PROBABLY IN A MONTH OR SO MAYBE, OR TO GIVE THE COUNCIL ANOTHER UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE ON THE PARKING ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM NOW THAT WE'RE BACK TO IN FULL ENFORCEMENT.

AND AT THAT TIME I'M GOING TO HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT ADDITIONAL PARKING, UH, BASED ON THE TYPES OF COMPLAINTS THAT WE'RE SEEING.

AND IT PROBABLY COULD, WE COULD ADDRESS IT THERE OR NOT EVEN RICHARD IN GARLAND.

WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T PROHIBIT THE PARKING OF VEHICLES ON PUBLIC STREETS THAT ARE REGISTERED SOMEWHERE ELSE, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST BRINGING THEM THERE UNLESS HE'S VIOLATING THE HOME OCCUPATIONS ORDINANCE.

IF I WANTED TO TAKE MY CAR BY WAY OF EXAMPLE AND TAKE MY CAR AND PARK IT OUT, INSTEAD OF PARKING IT IN MY HOME, PARKING ON SOME STREET IN CARLIN, AND THEN GO OUT FOR A WALK AND MOVE IT EVERY DAY, WHILE I'M AT LUNCH, THERE'S NO LAW THAT WOULD KEEP ME FROM DOING THAT.

THE FACT THAT I DON'T OWN PROPERTY IN GARLAND AND I DON'T LIVE IN GARLAND, WOULDN'T STOP ME FROM PARKING ON A PUBLIC STREET IN GARLAND.

THAT'S A VERY TOUGH NUT TO CRACK.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS THAT STATEWIDE NOW, SOME NEIGHBORHOODS WHAT THEY DO.

AND I THINK THEY HAVE THIS OPTION IN GARLAND.

SOME NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE THE OPTION TO MAKE THE, THE PARKING NEIGHBORHOOD PARKING ONLY, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE TO REQUEST THAT.

AND THEN THE PROBLEM YOU GET IS, YOU KNOW, THANKSGIVING DAY AND YOU HAVE 10 PEOPLE OVER, NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE A PLACE TO PARK BECAUSE IT'S NEIGHBORHOOD PARKING ONLY.

AND SO WE HAVE NOT EVER BEEN REQUESTED BY A NEIGHBORHOOD TO DO THAT.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKING ONLY BY PERMIT PROGRAM.

AND, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY, BECAUSE IT'S VERY DIFFICULT IN PLACES WHERE THEY DO THAT TO HAVE GUESTS AT YOUR HOUSE.

BUT IT'S A, IT'S A, A REGULAR PROBLEM, UH, THROUGHOUT THE STATE WITH RESPECT TO PARKING AND THE WAY THAT THEY ADDRESS IT IS NEIGHBORHOOD ONLY PARKING PERMITS.

BUT SINCE THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TODAY, WE PROBABLY SHOULD NOT TALK ABOUT THAT'S OKAY.

I JUST WAS WRITING THAT OUT.

SO WE WERE OKAY TO BRING IT TO COUNCIL BJ HIM.

I'M FINE WITH THE, UH, WHAT DID WE DECIDE ON THE TIMELINE THOUGH? AS FAR AS THE 30, OR EXCUSE ME, NINE YEARS.

THAT'S WHAT I'M WANTING TO KNOW.

I'M 43 MONTH PERIOD.

YEP.

I AGREE WITH DENIM THREE MONTHS AND, AND GIVEN THE WAY THAT MY FOLKS WOULD DO ENFORCEMENT, I THINK THREE MONTHS PROBABLY MAKES SENSE IN THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE GOING OUT THERE.

THE GUY ALREADY IS 91 DAYS EXPIRED CAUSE HE WAS IN A HOSPITAL, WHATEVER ELSE.

AND THEN JUST GOES OUT AND TAKE IT.

SOME, THESE ARE REALLY GOING TO BE THE PEOPLE THEY GET CALLED TO THEIR ATTENTION BECAUSE SOMEBODY GOT A BUNCH OF CARS PARKED OUT IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE THAT RUN REGISTERED.

AND TYPICALLY THE, WHEN WE FIND THEM, THE ONES WE SEE NOW THEY'RE UNREGISTERED FOR YEARS.

THEY HAVEN'T BEEN REGISTERED IN YEARS AND YEARS, SOME OF THESE CARS.

AND SO 90 DAYS KNOWING THAT MY OFFICERS AREN'T GONNA BE RUNNING AROUND, LOOKING FOR PEOPLE ON THE 91ST DAY TICKET, I THINK MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, MIKE, JUST BY NOTE KNOW, YOU WILL LIKE, GO AHEAD MS. CHAIRMAN ONE QUESTION, ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.

IF WE GO WITH THE THREE MONTHS AND I MIGHT MAYBE GETTING A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF OURSELVES, BUT HOW, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU TELL WHAT YOU SUGGEST? WE INFORM THE CITIZENS OF THAT CHANGE MIGHT BE TOO DO IT ON THE BOLT.

ON THE WEBSITE.

WE HAVE AN ENTIRE SITE DEVOTED TO PARKING AND WE WOULD PUT IN FLYER A NOTICE OUT THERE AND THEN WE WOULD PROBABLY PUT IT IN THE JULY IS THE NEXT TIME WE CAN PUT IT OUT THAT JULY CITY PRESS, OKAY.

TO REMIND PEOPLE ABOUT SOME OF THE PARKING VIOLATIONS WERE VERY TALKED AT DOROTHY SINCE THE, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT GOT MUCH BETTER BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, AND THEN GOT MUCH WORSE WHEN WE STOPPED ENFORCING, WE'RE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING IN THE JULY, UH, CITY PRESS ABOUT PARKING SOME OF THE RECURRENT PARKING PROBLEMS. AND WE WOULD PUT IT IN THERE AS WELL, SO THAT CITIZENS WOULD KNOW AND LIKELY WHAT WE DO LIKE WE DO WITH THE OTHER ENFORCEMENT IS, IS AFTER WE PASS AN ORDINANCE LIKE THIS, PROBABLY FOR THE FIRST TWO OR THREE MONTHS, WE WOULD JUST WRITE WARNINGS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW, HEY, THIS IS COMING SO THAT PEOPLE WHO

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HAVE CARS THAT SIT OUT THERE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, LET'S GIVE THEM A WARNING FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, YOU KNOW, A MONTH OR TWO, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO ENOUGH PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THIS BEFORE WE WRITE TICKETS.

THAT'S WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO ANYWAY, WITH A CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE.

YEAH.

BUT THAT'S GOOD.

CAUSE I'M FINDING SEVERAL FOLKS TO STOP IN.

I ACTUALLY STOPPED AND TALKED TO A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WHO RECENTLY MOVED TO GARLAND AREA AND IT, THEY, THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT, THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, AND AS NEIGHBORHOODS ARE TURNING OVER.

SO, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANKS FOR CHAIR.

OKAY.

UM, SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION MOVE TO APPROVE, UH, THE ORDINANCE, UH, WITH THE NINE, EXCUSE ME, 90 DAY OR THREE MONTH TIMELINE.

OKAY.

PER SECOND.

OKAY.

LET'S VOTE ON IT.

I WILL DRAFT A, A PROPOSED ORDINANCE AND BRING IT TO THE WORK SESSION.

UH, WHEN YOU REPORT BACK, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A SENTENCE THAT GOES IN THAT MISCELLANEOUS OFFICE.

UM, I WAS THINKING ALSO WE COULD PUT IT IN THE, UH, UTILITY BILL, YOU KNOW, IT COSTS, IF WE DO A SEPARATE FLYER IN THERE, IT COST US AROUND $1,600 REALLY.

OKAY.

AND GIVEN THAT WE WILL GIVEN THAT WE PROBABLY WOULD ENFORCE BY WARNING UNTIL THE JULY CITY PRESS.

I THINK THAT IF IT'S, IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES THEY WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY AND THEN I THINK YOU PROBABLY WOULD GET CITY PRESS OUT OF IT, THAT'S FINE.

OKAY.

UM, NOW WE WOULD GO TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, CONSIDER RE REGISTER KEY STORAGE SYSTEM FOR APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

UM, CHIEF OF COURSE, BECAUSE THIS IS ITEM TO BE, AND THIS WAS, UM, SENT IT TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE BY COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN AND THIS INVOLVES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

SO I INVITED MARK LEE HERE TO DISCUSS THAT.

SO MARK.

YES, SIR.

UH, I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN ALBUM FROM LISTENING TO THE COUNCIL MEETING, WE BROUGHT THIS UP, HE'S INTERESTED IN, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEXES, EACH OCCUPANCY, HAVING A KEY BOX, UM, ON THE, THE DOOR OF EACH OCCUPANCY OR NEAR THE DOOR OF EACH OCCUPANCY THAT WOULD REQUIRE US TO HAVE A, A ENTRY KEY INTO THAT UNIT.

UM, WE HAVE A PROGRAM SIMILAR TO THIS FOR COMMERCIAL OCCUPANCIES.

UH, IF YOU LOOK@SECTIONFIVEOHSIX.ONE, UM, WE HAVE AMENDED THE KEY BOX, UM, TO WHERE IT STATES WE'RE ACCESSES OR WITHIN THIS, OR, OR ACCESS TO OR WITHIN A STRUCTURE OR AN AREAS RESTRICTED BECAUSE OF SECURED OPENINGS OR WHERE IMMEDIATE ACCESS IS NECESSARY FOR LIFE-SAVING OR FIREFIGHTING PURPOSES.

THE FIRE CODE OFFICIAL IS AUTHORIZED TO REQUIRE A KEY BOX TO BE INSTALLED IN AN APPROVED LOCATION.

THE KEY BOX SHALL BE OF AN APPROVED TYPE LISTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH UL 10 37 THAT WILL CONTAIN KEYS TO GAIN NECESSARY ACCESS AS REQUIRED BY THE FIRE CODE OFFICIAL.

WE USE THIS FOR COMMERCIAL RMCS THAT HAVE FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS, FIRE ALARM SYSTEMS, UM, WHERE THAT SYSTEM MAY GO OFF ON OFF HOURS WHERE THERE'S NOBODY IN THE BUILDING.

UM, MANY OF THESE OWNERS OR KEY HOLDERS DON'T LIVE CLOSE BY.

SO WE REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE THE ACCESS SO THAT IF THERE'S NO OBVIOUS FIRE, BUT WE'D LIKE TO GET IN TO CHECK THE SYSTEMS, UH, RESET THE SYSTEM WE CAN DO SO WITHOUT HAVING TO WAIT FOR A KEY HOLDER TO ARRIVE ON SCENE.

UM, IT'S THE, ALL OF OUR FIRE APPARATUS CARRY A KEY TO THIS KEY BOX SYSTEM.

UH, AND IT'S BASICALLY A GATE WAY TO THE CITY, IF YOU WILL.

UM, WE CAN ENTER MOST COMMERCIAL OCCUPANCIES THAT WAY.

NOW THERE IS AN EXCEPTION LISTED IN SECTION FIVE OH SIX DOT ONES AS AMENDED THAT SAYS A PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING IS NOT REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE SECTION, BUT MAY VOLUNTARILY INSTALL AN APPROVED KEY BOX WHERE THE APPROVAL OF THE FIRE CODE OFFICIALS.

SO I BELIEVE WHEN WE ADOPTED THIS ORDINANCE, IT WAS BEFORE MY ARRIVAL IN GARLAND, A VISITOR MACI VAN BUSKIRK, WHO WAS THE FIRE CODE OFFICIAL AT THE TIME, UH, HE HAD EXPRESSED, UH, THAT THE SENTIMENT FROM THE CITY'S LEGAL DEPARTMENT WAS THAT A PRIVATE RESIDENCY IS, IS, IS BASICALLY A PERSON'S CASTLE.

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AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO ENTER THAT.

UM, UNLESS THERE'S AN IMMEDIATE THREAT TO LIFE OR PROPERTY, TO WHICH WE DO THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS, WE PULL UP IN THERE'S SMOKE IN THE STRUCTURE, WILL KICK A DOOR IN AND MAKE ENTRY.

UH, IF THERE IS A, UH, CHIEF BRIAN, I'M GOING TO SPEAK FOR YOU HERE.

I THINK THAT YOU, YOU WOULD AGREE THAT IF THERE'S A WELFARE CONCERN AND THERE'S EVIDENCE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE ENTRY, UH, THEN AGAIN, WE'LL FORCE ENTRY AND GO ON.

AND IF THERE'S NO KEY HOLDER ON-SITE OR SOMEBODY TO TELL US WHERE A KEY MAY BE, UH, IF THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT WE NEED TO GO IN, WE WON'T, UH, BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S SOMEBODY'S CASTLE, UM, WHERE WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE ENTRY INTO IT UNLESS WE HAVE GOOD REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S SOMEBODY IN NEED OR THAT THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS ENDANGERED.

UM, IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, THE PRIVATE UNITS ARE JUST THAT THEY'RE PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS.

UM, AND WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE KEY ACCESS TO THOSE, THOSE DOORS.

UM, THE OTHER THING COUNCILMAN ALBAN WAS ASKING FOR IS FOR THE APARTMENT MANAGEMENT, EVERY TIME SOMEBODY MOVES OUT AND EVERY TIME SOMEBODY MOVES IN FOR THERE TO BE A LIST OF OCCUPIED UNITS KEPT WITHIN THE KEY BOX AS WELL, THE KNOX BOX SYSTEM, THE ONE THAT WE USE AGAIN, THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS, THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS A KEY TO THAT SYSTEM, THE OWNER OF THAT BOX DOES NOT HAVE A KEY FOR IT.

UH, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY DOES NOT HAVE A KEY FOR IT.

ANYTIME THAT THEY CHANGE A MASTER KEY OR A KEY WITHIN THEIR BUILDING, THAT THEY NEED TO CHANGE THE KEY OUT IN THE KNOX BOX.

WE SEND A FIRE APPARATUS OUT THERE TO OPEN THE BOX, MAKE THE CHANGE OF KEYS, LOCK THE LOCKS BACK, UM, TO MAINTAIN A LIST ON, UH, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR MULTIPLE COMPLEXES WHERE PEOPLE MOVE IN AND OUT PROBABLY ALMOST DAILY WOULD REQUIRE, UH, CONSTANT UPDATES OF THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THAT LOCKS.

SOME OF OUR INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES, UH, HAVE A KNOX BOX THAT IS LARGE ENOUGH TO HOLD PAPER IN IT.

UM, AND THAT'S WHERE THEY KEEP THEIR MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEETS, WHICH WAS THE INITIAL PLAN.

UM, A COUPLE OF DECADES BACK ON THIS PROGRAM, UH, WHEN WE GO AND OPEN UP THOSE BOXES, THE MATERIAL INSIDE OF IT IS USUALLY, UH, GAINED MOISTURE FROM CONDENSATION, FROM RAIN, IF A LEAK DEVELOPED IN THE BOX OR ANYTHING ELSE, AND IS PRETTY MUCH USELESS INFORMATION FOR US.

UH, SO ANY PAPER PRODUCT INSIDE OF A KNOX BOX TYPICALLY IS NOT GOOD FOR VERY LONG AT ALL.

UM, WE'VE ALSO HAD PEOPLE LEAVE THEIR ALARM CODE INSIDE THERE SO THAT WHEN WE DO MAKE ENTRY AND IT SETS OFF THE, UH, THE BURGLAR ALARM SYSTEM, WE CAN RESET THAT WHILE WE'RE THERE AS WELL, SO THAT WE CAN GET BACK OUT WITHOUT A KEYHOLDER HAVING TO COME OUT.

SO IN SHORT, IF WE WANTED TO PUT THESE ON EACH APARTMENT BUILDING, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE AN EXORBITANT COST TO THE APARTMENTS THEMSELVES.

WE WOULD HAVE TO MODIFY OUR CODES, UM, AND WE WOULD CONSTANTLY BE CHANGING THAT KEYS OUT, UH, OR THE, THE OCCUPANCY LISTS AS WELL.

SO, UM, WE CERTAINLY WILL CARRY OUT ANY POLICY THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO PUSH FORWARD.

UM, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO PRIVATE RESIDENCES, WE PROBABLY NEED TO DISCUSS WITH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT PRETTY PRETTY IN DEPTH BEFORE WE WOULD REQUIRE, UH, SOMEBODY TO PROVIDE US A KEY TO THEIR HOME.

CAN I ASK YOU THAT, UH, UH, CONVERSATION? SO THE PROBLEM THAT WE WERE TRYING TO THE MR, UM, UH, IS TRYING TO ADDRESS IS THAT LIKE WE HAD AFTER THIS, THE ICE STORM IS IF WE HAVE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, ESPECIALLY ONE WITH THAT'S MOSTLY ELDERLY PEOPLE, HOW CAN WE KNOW WHICH APARTMENTS ARE VACANT AND DO A CHECK, A WELFARE CHECK ON THOSE THAT AREN'T VACANT.

IT'S ONE THING THAT WE SHOW UP AND THERE'S A FIRE, AND SURE WE CAN MAKE ENTRY INTO THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX AND WE WANT TO CHECK MULTIPLE APARTMENTS, IS THERE, UH, AN AVENUE WHERE WE CAN GO AND CHECK THOSE APARTMENTS NOW, WHICH ONES ARE VACANT AND WHICH ONES WE NEED TO CHECK.

AND MARK AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS.

I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION FOR THIS.

UM, IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY, IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE ENTRY INTO AN APARTMENT WITHOUT PERMISSION, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING, IT HAS TO BE UNDER SPECIFIC EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES AND AN UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, WE FORCED THE DOOR OPEN.

IF IT'S THAT MUCH OF AN EMERGENCY, WE FORCED THE DOOR OPEN.

NOW I'VE DONE.

I KNOW WE DON'T WANT TO CAUSE THAT TYPE OF DAMAGE,

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BUT THIS SITUATION WAS A LITTLE UNIQUE.

AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHECKING ON DOZENS OF APARTMENTS.

SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF DAMAGE WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GO AND FORCED THE DOOR OPEN A LOT OF APARTMENTS.

UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF A SOLUTION THAT WE CAN REQUIRE.

AND I KNOW MIKE'S ON HERE.

NOW WE CAN REQUIRE, UH, ACCESS TO SOMEONE'S APARTMENT, JUST IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY.

WE HAVE A LOCK BOX PROGRAM NOW.

SO IF YOU LIVE IN A HOUSE YOU CAN VOLUNTARILY, UH, GIVE US A KEY.

AND WE MAY, UH, WE MAY LOOK AT A PROGRAM TO DO SOME FOR APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

IT'S HARD FOR A CARTON APARTMENT COMPLEX IS BECAUSE PEOPLE MOVE IN AND OUT SO MUCH.

UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

AND, AND MARK AND I DISCUSSING THIS, DON'T KNOW IF A SOLUTION, UM, THAT WE CAN REQUIRE PEOPLE OF APARTMENT COMPLEX TO GIVE US ACCESS JUST IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY.

UH, CHIEF BRIAN BRINGS UP A GREAT POINT AT MONTCLAIR STATES.

AND THE WAY WE MANAGE THAT THAT NIGHT IS WE HAD A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE COMPLEX ON SITE WHO WAS TELLING US THIS UNIT IS VACANT.

THIS ONE'S VACANT, THESE ARE OCCUPIED.

AND IT WAS A SLOW PROCESS WHEN WE WERE NOT INTERESTED IN ANY MORE DAMAGE THAT MAY HAVE ALREADY OCCURRED AT THAT COMPLEX.

BUT WE WENT THROUGH THE KEY BOX.

UH, THEY GAVE US ACCESS TO THE KEY BOX.

WE ESTABLISHED THE KEYS THAT WE NEEDED, UH, TO THE UNITS WHERE NOBODY ANSWERED.

WE CONFIRMED WITH MANAGEMENT, UH, OR ACTIVITIES DIRECTOR, I BELIEVE IS WHO WE WERE TALKING TO THAT NIGHT.

UH, THE VACANT UNITS THAT NOBODY LIVED IN.

AND, UH, WE ONLY OPENED UP THE ONES THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE POTENTIALLY OCCUPIED, UH, MADE ENTRY INTO THE SEARCH.

THERE WAS NOBODY, THERE WERE TWO UNITS THAT HAD DAMAGED THAT WERE OCCUPIED, BUT WERE KNOWN TO BE DAMAGED.

WE DID CHECK THOSE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS NO ONGOING DAMAGE BEING, BEING, UH, TAKEN PLACE, UH, AND THEN WASTE OCCURRED IT ALL BACK.

SO, UH, ELECT CHIEF BRIAN SAID THERE, THERE WAS NOT AN IMMEDIATE THREAT, UH, THAT LOCATION.

SO WE HAD TIME TO WORK WITH THE PROPERTY HOLDER, UH, TO EXECUTE A THOROUGH SEARCH OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, BUT I AM VERY, VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT, UH, MANDATING SOMEBODY TO GIVE US ACCESS TO THEIR PRIVATE RESIDENCY.

THERE ARE OTHER TIMES THAT WE HAVE MADE MISTAKES, UH, THAT WE'VE FELT LIKE THERE WAS EMINENT FOR IT.

UH, AND WE KICKED THE DOOR WITHOUT PERMISSION, UM, MADE ENTRY INTO THE BUILDING, JUST FIND THAT, UM, THERE WAS NO EMERGENCY THERE.

AND, UM, THOSE FOLKS TYPICALLY FILE A CLAIM WITH OUR RISK MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, UH, GET AN ESTIMATE TO REPAIR THEIR DOOR.

UH, AND WE, WE TAKE THE BURDEN OF THAT COST OFF OF THEM TO SEND THE CONTRACTOR OUT, UH, AND HAVE THAT DONE.

UH, ANYTIME THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FORCES THE DOOR, IF WE CAN RECENT CURE THAT, OR WE DO SO.

AND I THINK JEFF DOES THE SAME WITH HIS FOLKS, OR MAYBE EVEN CALLS US OUT SOMETIMES AND ASSIST WITH RE SECURING PROPERTY AFTER WE'VE, WE'VE MADE ENTRY AND MR. VIERRA, IF I CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND WE, WE HAVE A STRONG RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR APARTMENT MANAGERS, UM, AND WE ARE HAPPY TO REACH OUT TO THEM TO ASK THEM FOR A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM TO HELP KEEP A LIST OF VACANT APARTMENTS.

THEY HELP KEEP A LIST, UH, IN EASY ACCESS TO, UH, MAINTENANCE NOTES WHO CAN GET INTO APARTMENTS IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY.

WE DON'T HAVE TO, TO CAUSE ANY DAMAGE, UH, BUT TO US TO DO A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM AND TRY TO GET IT UP AND RUNNING THAT WAY INSTEAD OF, UH, SOMETHING THAT IS BEING MANDATED, I THINK IS AN OPTION.

AND MIKE, IF YOU'VE GOT ANY INPUT ON THAT, PLEASE WEIGH IN.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, LEGALLY, BECAUSE THE POLICE AND FIRE GOING IN THERE, ANYTIME THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS GO INTO YOUR RESIDENCE, IT IMPLICATES THE FOURTH AMENDMENT.

AND THE ONLY WAY WE CAN GET INTO ONE OF THESE RESIDENCES IS A TRUE EMERGENCY.

AND, AND THE, THE NOTION THAT YOU COULD MAKE A RESIDENT PUT A KEY IN A KEY BOX, UH, WITHOUT THE, THE LEGAL JUSTIFICATION OF THE EMERGENCY, UH, SEEMS TO BE, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT.

I THINK THAT YOU COULD HAVE A LIST OF, OF APARTMENTS IF EVEN IF PEOPLE WANTED TO SAY, HEY, IN AN EMERGENCY, I AUTHORIZE THE POLICE TO COME IN HERE TO CHECK ON MY WE'RE GOING TO, IF YOU HAVE AN ELDERLY PERSON WHO'S LIVES ALONE AND SAYS, I AUTHORIZE YOU TO GIVE THE POLICE A KEY OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OF KEY TO COME CHECK ON ME.

IF I'M NOT RESPONSIVENESS TO CALL IT CONCERN FOR MY WELFARE.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BREAK THE DOOR DOWN, UH, THAT CAN BE DONE AT AN INDIVIDUAL LEVEL, BUT TO MAKE THE ENTIRE COMPLEX OR, OR VAST NUMBERS OF PEOPLE GIVE A KEY TO THE GOVERNMENT.

UM, I THINK, UH, PROBABLY IS OF DUBIOUS FOURTH AMENDMENT, UH, LEGALITY.

AND I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T, UH, WOULDN'T RECOMMEND AN INVOLUNTARY PROGRAM LIKE THAT.

THE,

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I HEARD THAT THE DISPATCH CENTER, UH, ALSO HAS CALLED NOTES ON ADDRESSES WHEN WE'RE REQUESTING TO BE ADDED, UH, FOR MY, UH, DAD BEFORE HE PASSED.

AND FOR MY MOTHER-IN-LAW, WHEN SHE STILL LIVED ALONE, UH, I PURCHASED MY OWN KEY BOX AND PLACED ON THEIR FRONT DOORS, CONTACTED THEIR DISPATCH CENTERS AND ASKED FOR THAT CODE TO BE ADDED TO THE CALL NOTES.

AND, UH, THE FIREFIGHTERS, UH, EACH TIME THEY WERE CALLED TO THEIR HOMES, UH, HAD ACCESS.

SO I, I DIDN'T HAVE TO REPLACE ANY MILLWORK.

THAT'S A MUCH BETTER SOLUTION LEGALLY, BECAUSE THEN YOU KNOW, THAT THE PERSON THAT LIVES THERE HAS CONSENTED TO IT AND DONE SO VOLUNTARILY, AS OPPOSED TO IF WE HAVE A PROGRAM WHERE EVERY APARTMENT HAS TO GET A MASTER KEY AND PUT IN THE KEY BOX AND YOU'LL HAVE RESIDENTS THERE WHO WILL SAY I DON'T CONSENT TO THE GOVERNMENT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX GOING IN AND THE GOVERNMENT GOING IN, YOU KNOW, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX HAS A RIGHT TO GO IN BECAUSE THE WATER'S LEAKING THERE ARE THERE SMOKE IN THE APARTMENT OR THE SMOKE DETECTOR IS BEEPING AND ISN'T WORKING.

AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER REASONS, THEY HAVE A CONTRACTUAL, RIGHT WITH THE PERSON THAT LIVES THERE.

IT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE GOVERNMENT GOING INTO, AND, AND, UH, I TELL PEOPLE THIS ALL THE TIME, UH, THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO HAVE A MUCH, MUCH HIGHER STANDARD, AND I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND IT FOR A PROGRAM OF THIS TYPE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

UM, I, LET ME LOAD MY HAND.

OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR SHARING.

UM, TWO THINGS.

UM, I THINK, I THINK IT WAS MIKE THAT MENTIONED IT.

UH, ONE, I THINK WE, WE'VE GOTTA BE CAREFUL ABOUT, UM, AT LEAST THE PERCEPTION OF TREATING, UH, PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN APARTMENTS DIFFERENT THAN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

UM, IT WAS LAID OUT CHIEF EARLIER.

YOU KNOW, THAT THAT ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT IS THAT PERSON'S CASTLE AND THEY HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS THAT, THAT YOU HAVE IN A, IN A SIX BEDROOM, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.

SO THAT'S ONE THING.

SECONDLY, UM, I AGREE WITH, WITH CHIEF BRIAN'S RECOMMENDATION, I THINK VOLUNTARILY TALKING TO THE APARTMENT MANAGERS AND SEEING WE CAN GET SOME VOLUNTEER.

AND PERHAPS IF WE GET A COUPLE OF APARTMENT MANAGERS TO VOLUNTEER FOR THE PROGRAM, UH, WE KIND OF DO ON A SMALL SCALE SORT OF A TEST PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, GET A COUPLE OF THEM TO VOLUNTARILY WORK WITH CHIEF, TO DO A VOLUNTEER PROGRAM.

SEE KIND OF SEE HOW IT GOES KIND OF THING, AND GO FROM THERE.

BUT, UH, YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S SO I AGREE WITH HIM TOTALLY UNFORCED, STRICTLY VOLUNTARY, BUT NOT, UM, NOT MAN MANDATING PEOPLE TO LIVE IN APARTMENT UNITS, UM, TO GIVE HIM A KEY THAT'S, UH, AS I'M NO LAWYER, BUT, BUT I CAN SEE A WHOLE LOT OF LEGAL PROBLEMS WITH THAT.

SO I THINK T CHIEF'S APPROACH IS, IS A, IS A WORKABLE ONE.

UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

UH, IT'S LIKE THEY SAY, I'M WITH THE GOVERNMENT I CAME TO HELP YOU.

UM, SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR SHEEP BRIAN TO WORK ON THIS AND COME BACK TO US BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO COUNCIL.

YOU WANT ME TO COME BACK TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, UH, WITH THE, SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS JUST TO BE CLEAR, MY RECOMMENDATION IS, IS THAT WE WORK WITH THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND WE CAN PILOT A COUPLE APARTMENT COMPLEXES TO START FOR THEM TO HAVE A CENTRAL LOCATION OR THOSE THAT WANT TO VOLUNTEER, UH, TO HAVE A KEY FOR US TO MAKE ENTRY.

IF WE NEED TO, THAT THEY KEEP THAT, UH, THEY KEEP THAT AND WE HAVE ACCESS, WHETHER IT'S AN EXTERNAL, LARGER LOCK BOX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT.

AND THEN WE KNOW WHAT APARTMENTS HAVE GIVEN PERMISSION AND NOT GIVE THEM PERMISSION.

UM, THAT THAT'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE LOCKBOX PROGRAM WE HAVE NOW WITH, ON A GRANDER SCALE FOR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.

AND THEN WE SEE IF WE CAN FOLLOW THAT.

WE'LL SEE IF THE APARTMENT MANAGERS ARE INTERESTED IN THAT, AND I'M HAPPY IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THIS, WE CAN TEST IT AND THEN COME BACK OR I CAN TAKE THE SUGGESTION STRAIGHT TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, BJ, WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION, YOUR, YOUR IMMUNE ME, AND NOW I SHAKE CHIEFS.

UM, AND OUR CHIEF IN CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, DO SOME INITIAL STEPS ON THIS AND WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND UPDATE THE COMMITTEE ON THAT.

AND THEN WE'LL MAKE A DECISION AT THAT TIME BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT CHIEF PROVIDES, UH, HOW TO PROCEED NEXT TO FULL COUNCIL.

THAT WOULD BE MY, MY, MY SUGGESTION.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T

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FEEL ALL RIGHT.

I'M FINE WITH THAT.

AND I IMAGINE THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY CHIEF BRIAN, SEVERAL APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN MIND THAT YOU'D LIKE TO RUN THIS TEST PROGRAM WITH, AND I'M VERY MUCH AGAINST MANDATING THIS.

UH, THERE'S BEEN NO CHANGES.

WE WERE UNDER THE 2015 FIRE CODE, I BELIEVE, IS THAT CORRECT? CHIEFLY.

AND I WAS JUST LOOKING AT EVEN 2021 FIRE CODE.

THERE'S BEEN NO CHANGES THAT SECTION FIVE OH SIX.

SO, UH, OTHER THAN OUR LOCAL AMENDMENTS, WHICH IS, UH, WITH REVISED BACK IN 2018, BUT I AM VERY MUCH AGAINST MANDATING ALLOWING SOMEONE TO ENTER A PROPERTY WITHOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, LIFE FOR A LIFE, THE LINE OR A, A TRUE EMERGENCY.

SO, UM, I'M FINE.

I'M TRYING THIS TEST PROGRAM AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT, HOW IT WORKS OUT AFTER SIX MONTHS.

SO CAN I HAVE, UH, CAN I HAVE, UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE, JUST MOVE IT A TABLE.

THIS ISSUE UNTIL CHIEF BRIAN CAME REPORT BACK TO US AFTER A TIME PERIOD.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO CHIEF, YOU GOT THAT.

EVERYBODY AGREES WITH YOU ON THAT ONE.

SO I THINK THE BEST THING FOR YOU TO WORK IT OUT AND THEN COME TO US AND THEN WE'LL BRING IT TO COUNCIL.

YES, SIR.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO DO IT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE EVERYBODY.

YOU KNOW, THAT WAY WE GOT IT EXPERIENCED A LITTLE BIT OF RE WHAT TO TELL THE COUNCIL, IS THAT GOOD? YES, SIR.

I CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT.

OKAY.

MR. MR. TURNER, I'M GOING TO ADD REAL QUICK FOR CHIEF BRIAN YESTER.

I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU WORK WITH FIRE MARSHALL'S OFFICE AND THAT WE STICK WITH A NOTCH PRODUCT, UH, INSTEAD OF, UM, SOME OFF-BRAND KEY BOX, BECAUSE THAT COULD BE PROBLEMATIC AS WELL.

SO ANY BUDDY HAS ANYTHING SAY BJ? NO, NO.

OTHER THAN THAT, UH, OTHER THAN THIS PROGRAM, JUST TO BE CLEAR AS PER PURELY VOLUNTARY, VOLUNTARY ON THE HALF OF THE APARTMENT OWNER.

OH YEAH.

OKAY.

YEAH.

VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU.

YEAH.

SO IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT FOUR 37.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU EVERYBODY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Speech-to-Text.