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AND WE'RE NOW LIVE AND

[ Transportation Infrastructure Mobility Committee Meeting on April 20, 2021.]

HOPEFULLY RECORDING.

THIS IS THE APRIL 20TH, 2021 MEETING OF THE GARLAND CITY COUNCIL, TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY COMMITTEE.

MY NAME IS RICK ROBIN.

I AM THE CHAIR I HAVE WITH ME COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH COUNCIL MEMBER NICKERSON.

ALSO WITH US.

I'M SORRY.

MAYOR PRO TEM NICKERSON.

UH, ALSO WITH US TODAY IS, UH, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, DEBRA MORRIS, AND THEN, UH, A CAST OF OTHER LUMINARIES.

AND WITH THAT, WE'LL GET RIGHT TO THE AGENDA FOR TIME.

THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MARCH 16TH, 2021 MEETING MINUTES.

WE ALWAYS REVIEW, UH, WE HAVE MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

SECONDLY, BY MAYOR PRO TEM NICKERSON, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

THAT'S PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.

UM, LET'S MOVE ON THEN TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS TO DISCUSS POTENTIAL REVISIONS TO THE SIDEWALK COST SHARING PROGRAM.

I'LL TURN THAT OVER TO YOU, MR. BAKER.

YES, SIR.

AND HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY CAN SEE MY SCREEN.

IS IT? WELL, I THINK IT'S THE WRONG SCREEN.

I APOLOGIZE.

IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, LET ME SHARE IT AGAIN.

SHOULD BE SCREENED TO SHARE.

THERE WE GO.

CAN EVERYBODY SEE THAT ONE SIDEWALK PARTICIPATION ORDINANCE CLARIFICATION SCAN.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, BACK IN, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS JULY OF LAST YEAR.

WE PASSED THE ORDINANCE ON THE SIDEWALK PARTICIPATION, UM, ORDINANCE.

AND AS WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THIS ORDINANCE, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE SOMETHING THAT CROPPED UP ON IT THAT WE DECIDED.

WELL, WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE, UM, SOME OF THE INFORMATION IN THERE THAT WE HAD BEFORE.

AND I'M GOING TO WALK YOU BACK THROUGH JUST REAL QUICKLY, THE OLD ORDINANCE UNDER THE OLD SIDEWALK PARTICIPATION ORDINANCE, RESIDENT'S INTERIOR TO A SUBDIVISION.

UM, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE JUST AS EVERYBODY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SIDEWALK THAT ABUTS THEIR PROPERTY.

NOW, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS ELIGIBLE FOR THE CITY'S COST SHARE PROGRAM.

AND THEN OF COURSE, AS YOU SEE HERE IN BULLET POINTS, ONE, UH, THE SECOND COUPLE OF BULLET POINTS, APARTMENTS, COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE COST SHARE PROGRAM AND NEITHER ARE SCHOOLS IN CHURCHES.

UM, THAT'S UNDER THE OLD ORDINANCE.

AND AS YOU CAN, UH, IF I CAN CLICK ON TO THE OLD ORDINANCE REAL QUICK, I WILL DRAG IT OVER.

AND IF Y'ALL CAN SEE THAT, HOPEFULLY CAN Y'ALL SEE THE ORDINANCE OR IS IT NOT COMING UP? I SEE IT.

OKAY.

UM, WE HAD IN THERE THAT, UH, UH, DEVELOPERS INITIAL PROPERTY SHALL MEANING IN A BUDDING PROPERTY, IN AN ACTUAL BOAT, THE RESIDENTIAL HOMESTEAD OF THE OWNER.

AND THEN AS YOU, AS WE SCROLL DOWN, WE INCLUDED ITEM NUMBER THREE AND FOUR, WHICH WAS THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS AT 50% AND THE CURB AND GUTTER IMPROVEMENTS AT 50%.

AGAIN, THIS IS THE OLD ORDINANCE.

NOW UNDER THE NEW ORDINANCE, IN THAT SAME SECTION, WE REDEFINED THE DEVELOPMENT, DEVELOPED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO MEAN ANYTHING, A BUDDING OR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, INCLUDING DUPLEXES AND TOWN HOMES, BUT EXCLUDING OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT INCLUDE, UM, HOUSE OF WORSHIP SCHOOL, COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.

BUT AS WE SCROLL DOWN, WE OMITTED ITEM THREE BECAUSE, UM, IF YOU REMEMBER, IT'S NOT A 50 50 ANYMORE, THERE'S ALL THESE RE UM, ADDITIONAL REDUCTIONS IF THEY QUALIFIED.

SO WE TOOK THAT OUT.

AND SO LONG STORY SHORT, WHAT WE'RE PREPARED TO DO IS COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL.

WHAT THEY WILL HAVE A SMALL REVISION TO THAT SAME SECTION 31 76, WITH THE CODE OF ORDINANCES IN INSERT ITEM B3, BACK INTO THAT ORDINANCE THAT TALKS ABOUT SIDEWALK, REPAIRS, AND PARTICIPATION.

IT WOULD INCLUDE 50% AND AN IN COORDINATES WITH THE ARTICLE NINE IN CONSTRUCTION, REPAIR OF SIDEWALKS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.

JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, WE WE'VE GOTTEN INTO A COUPLE OF WHERE THERE'S BEEN A, AT LEAST A COUPLE OF, AT LEAST ONE CHURCH THAT WAS WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN WHAT WE GET INTO.

WE HAD A CHURCH THAT WANTED TO PARTICIPATE ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, AND, UH, THEY HAD ALMOST, I THINK IT WAS AROUND 1700 FEET OF SIDEWALK.

AND IF YOU, IF YOU DIVIDE THAT BY 60 FEET, THAT'S A TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO ABOUT 25 RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT COULD HAVE PARTICIPATED WHEN YOU START INCLUDING CHURCHES AND BUSINESSES

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AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

AND IN THIS ORDINANCE.

SO WITH THAT, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THIS ITEM.

SO, MICHAEL, IS, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT WE INADVERTENTLY LEFT OUT THE PART ABOUT THIS REALLY ONLY APPLIES TO SINGLE FAMILY? IT WAS CORRECT.

THE, THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE WAS, WAS GEARED TOWARDS, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

UM, AND THAT'S THE REASON THEY PUT IN BONAFIDE HOMESTEAD IN THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE.

AND, UH, WE STILL REDEFINED IT, BUT WE, WE INADVERTENTLY OMITTED THE SECTION OUT OF THERE FOR THE PARTICIPATION THAT THAT WOULD LIMIT IT ONLY TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

AND, AND THE CONCERN IS THAT WE WON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY.

IF WE GET THESE LARGER TRACKS PARTICIPATING, IT WILL LIMIT THE CAPACITY TO THAT.

THEY, THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.

YOU'D HAVE, UM, CAUSE RIGHT NOW THE WAY IT'S WORDED, UM, THERE'S REALLY NOT ANYTHING LIMITING, UM, BUSINESSES FROM EVEN REQUESTING SIDEWALK PARTICIPATION, COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL, IF THEY HAVE SIDEWALKS AND IN CHURCHES AND IN OTHER LARGE, UM, PROPERTIES, MR. CHAIR, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT.

WE GO BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND, YOU KNOW, MAYA COPA AND THIS WAS LEFT OUT.

WE SURE LIKED TO PUT IT BACK IN, UH, SOMEBODY MUTED, YOU CAN UNSHARE THE SCREEN SO I CAN SEE WHO'S WANTING TO SPEAK.

IT WAS ME.

GO AHEAD.

UH, NICKERSON.

THANK YOU.

UH, I JUST HAD A QUESTION.

UM, I GUESS MY GOAL, WOULD IT BE, I MEAN, IN SOME CASES I KIND OF LIKED THE IDEA OF THE ABILITY FOR BUSINESSES AND CHURCHES TO, UH, HAVE TO IMPROVE THEIR SIDEWALKS, UM, IN THERE, BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT PROBLEMS WITH THEM AS WELL.

BUT, BUT I DO AGREE ON THE IDEA OF THE CONCEPT THAT WE DON'T WATCH IT IN THE BUSINESSES AND COMMERCIAL, UH, ESTABLISHMENT AND CHURCHES MIGHT GET A LINE SHARE OF OUR FUNDING LOCKED UP BECAUSE OF THE, OF THE, OF THE LENGTH OF THESE SIDEWALKS AROUND THEIR PROPERTY.

UH, BUT WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO, UH, IN INSIDE OUR PROGRAM HAVE TWO CATEGORIES, ONE FOR RESIDENTIAL AND ONE FOR CHURCH SLASH COMMERCIAL.

AND WE AS COUNCIL DETERMINE, UM, SORT OF THE FUNDING LEVELS, UH, PERIODICALLY FOR EACH CATEGORY, THEREBY AT LEAST, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE WOULD NOT BE, UM, AFFECTED BY ITS, WHICH SHARE IF WE DID RUN INTO A LARGE NEED, BUT YET CHURCHES AND AREAS LIKE THAT WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.

AND I MEAN, SIDEWALKS OR SIDEWALKS AND PEOPLE OF ALL KINDS WALK ACROSS MANY DIFFERENT PIECES OF PROPERTY ON THE SAME SIDEWALK.

SO I THINK IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA TO CONSIDER MAYBE TWO, TWO LEVELS OF FUNDING INSIDE THE ORDINANCE AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE WANT TO DO THAT.

BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT THE OPTIONS WOULD BE THERE.

THAT, THAT IS A POSSIBILITY, UH, LIMITING THE AMOUNT THAT YOU COULD PARTICIPATE WITH WITH COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PURCHASE, AND THEN STILL RESERVE THE AMOUNT FOR RESIDENTIAL.

UM, I DON'T REMEMBER THE FULL AMOUNT, I BELIEVE IT WAS AROUND.

UM, WHAT WAS IT? 400,000 A YEAR, I BELIEVE IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN TOTAL FOR THE SIDEWALK.

YEAH.

AND YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH PER YEAR DO WE SEE IN USE OF THAT FUND FROM RESIDUE STANDPOINT? YOU KNOW, SINCE WE, SINCE WE MODIFIED THE ORDINANCE, WE HAD A LOT OF PARTICIPATION AT THE VERY BEGINNING HERE WE HAD, WE JUST HAD A, JUST AN ONSLAUGHT OF, OF A BUNCH OF REQUESTS, UM, IN A LOT OF CASES, MOST OF THEM PARTICIPATED IN AS FAR AS WHAT THE TOTAL NUMBER IS.

UH, ESPECIALLY DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON, YOU KNOW, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, AND EVEN INTO JANUARY, WE HAD A SLOW DOWN OF NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE APPLYING FOR IT.

I THINK BECAUSE FROM JULY TO, TO THAT POINT, IT WAS SO NEW AND PEOPLE WERE CATCHING WIND DEVIN THAT THEY DID WANT TO GET THEIR SIDEWALKS REPLACED.

NOW, UM, WE SHOULD BE SEEING MORE OF AN UPTICK IN, IN, UH, REQUESTS NOW THAT SUMMER'S COMING ON.

PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY SPRING SUMMER WHEN PEOPLE GETTING OUT MORE AND WALKING WE'RE IN, WE'VE RECEIVED, UM, MORE REQUESTS FOR SIDEWALK

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PARTICIPATION.

NOW, WAS IT WHERE IT WAS RIGHT AFTER WE PASSED THE ORDINANCE? NO, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S TRUE, BUT, UH, THERE'S STILL AN UPTAKE NOW.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY, BUT ON THE AVERAGE, IN THE PAST NUMBER OF YEARS, WE'VE BEEN AVERAGING ANYWHERE FROM ABOUT TWO 50 TO 300,000 A YEAR, SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT IN THERE IN THE GOOD YEARS, SOME YEARS ARE MORE LANE.

SO IS THERE, THERE IS FUNDING THAT'S KIND OF A RESIDUAL AFTER A YEAR AFTER THE REQUEST ON A NORMAL BASIS.

MAYBE WE TAKE THAT RESIDUAL AMOUNT AND PUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND OVER IN ANOTHER POT FOR COMMERCIAL CHURCHES, CHURCHES, AND THEREBY NOT HAVING AFFECTED THE VOLUME OR YOUTH LEVELS OF RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN SEE HOW THAT WORKS, UM, AS AN OPTION.

UH, AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, UH, WITH THE CHAIR AND THE COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH'S POLITICS TOO, I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE I REALLY THINK, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN AT CHURCHES TO WHERE THE SIDEWALKS IN AND AROUND THEM ON THE STREETS AND DO REALLY DO NEED SOME REPAIR AND MAYBE THAT'S A WAY TO GET, GET THAT ISSUE BEING ADDRESSED AS WELL AND NOT AFFECT OUR RESIDENTIAL PARTICIPATION.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, MAYBE, UH, THAT BE CONSIDERED BY FULL COUNCIL AT SOME POINT.

SO MR. CHAIR, MR. CHAIR, I WAS JUST THINKING THAT WE MIGHT, UH, WE MIGHT LET, UH, TALK ABOUT THAT A BIT MORE, MAYBE HAVE SOMETHING WRITTEN UP FOR CONSIDERATION AT SOME POINT BY, BY FULL COUNCIL AND SEE WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE.

YEAH.

OH YEAH.

THAT'S A GREAT, UH, IF WE WANT TO TRAIL, YOU KNOW, TRAIL THE RESIDENTIAL PROGRAM BY YEAR WITH THE LEFTOVERS, PUT A NEW COMMERCIAL POT.

I MEAN, WE KNOW THAT THE IDEA IS TO GET THESE DOLLARS ON THE GROUND AND GET THEM INTO, INTO CONCRETE.

RIGHT.

AND WE KNOW THAT THE BIGGER, THE, THE SIDEWALK AREA THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, UH, THE MORE EFFICIENTLY THOSE DOLLARS ARE GOING TO BE USED.

AND SO, YEAH, I MEAN, IF WE CAN'T, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE TACKLE SCHOOLS BECAUSE I'VE, I'VE LOOKED AT GIS, DO SIDEWALKS AND THEY DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB AND THEY'RE ALREADY TAXPAYER-FUNDED ANYWAY.

UH, SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO TRADE DOLLARS WITH THEM, BUT, UH, YEAH, YEAH.

I COULD SEE THAT.

AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO DO LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A MUCH, MUCH SMALLER SHARE, LIKE 10% OR 25% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND, AND APPLY THE, THE CDBG STUFF TO THAT AS WELL, TO REALLY FOCUS ON BRINGING UP THOSE BLIGHTED AREAS.

UM, BUT, UH, I THINK THE THING THAT MAKES THIS WORK IS JERRY'S IDEA WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TAKING OUT OF THE RESIDENTIAL BUCKET, ANYTHING, ANYTHING THAT WE SHOULDN'T, WE'RE JUST TAKING WHAT DIDN'T GET SPENT AND ROLLING THAT INTO THE AVAILABILITY FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

SO WE KEEP PRIORITIZING OUR RESIDENTIAL YEAR OVER YEAR.

I COULD SEE, I CAN SEE IT WORKING, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? SO, UM, MY QUESTION ON THAT, I DON'T RECALL THAT WE BROKE THIS OUT AS A YEAR BY YEAR PROGRAM.

MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THIS WAS COMBINED WITH THE NEW SITE, THAT WHEN WE DID THE BOND, WE ENDED UP COMPRESSING THE NEW SIDEWALK AND SIDEWALK REPAIR PROGRAMS INTO ONE BUCKET OF, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS 9 MILLION, BUT I COULD BE WRONG ABOUT THAT.

SO I JUST WANT TO BE CAREFUL.

I MEAN, I THINK THE IDEA IS GREAT.

I WOULD SUPPORT, AND I THINK SOMETHING ON THE LOWER END OF PARTICIPATION, BUT STILL PARKED, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PAY 10% OR 15%, I THINK, KIND OF FITS A LOT OF THE GUIDELINES THERE OR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND EITHER SET AN UPPER LIMIT FOR HOW MUCH WE PAY EVERY YEAR.

OR I JUST DON'T RECALL HOW WE SET UP THE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A SPECIFIC DIVIDE BETWEEN NEW SIDEWALK IN THE SIDEWALK REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.

I KNOW WE DID ASK STAFF TO KNOW AS PART OF THE NEW SIDEWALK PROGRAM TO IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN AREAS, CERTAIN THOROUGHFARES AND WHATNOT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY CORRECT ON THAT OR HOW THAT PIECE OF THE PROGRAM IS PUT TOGETHER.

I'D LIKE TO HEAR MR. CHAIR, CAN I OFFER A FEW COMMENTS PLEASE? UH, 9 MILLION WAS THE NUMBER YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT.

THE NUMBER IN THE BOND PROGRAM, IT WAS APPLIED TO THE CIP AND IN TWO SEPARATE CATEGORIES, UH, AND BY YEARLY ALLOTMENTS.

SO, UH, STEVE, WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF TRANSITIONING.

STEVE WE'LL HAVE A POT OF MONEY TO DEAL WITH

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THE COST SHARE PROGRAM AND YOU'LL HAVE A POT OF MONEY, UH, TO, TO DEAL WITH MISSING SEGMENT.

AND IF YOU REMEMBER, STEVE IS GOING TO TAKE ON THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR MUCH MORE OF THE ARTERIALS IN COMMERCIALS, AND HE HAD FOUR, UM, W WHAT WOULD THE COMMITTEE CONSIDER? UH, WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF IN A HOLDING PATTERN WITH THE NEW COST SHARING RULES WHERE I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT 400,000 SET ASIDE, UH, TO DEAL WITH COST SHARE WHERE BEFORE WE HAD TWO 50 IS, SO WE'RE STILL WAITING TO SEE HOW THAT, THAT DISTRIBUTES ITSELF THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

WHAT WE COULD DO IS COME BACK TO THE COMMITTEE WITH SOME OPTIONS FOR, UH, BUSINESSES AND, YOU KNOW, FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, EXCLUDING SCHOOLS, AND WITH ATTEMPT, OR WITH SOME FUNDING LIMITS, I WOULD SUGGEST SORT OF SETTING THAT UP ONCE YOU DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO TO RUN THROUGH A YEAR OR TWO OF IT, SEE HOW THE SPENDING GOES.

DO WE NEED TO ADJUST ONE OR JUST THE OTHER, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING ANYWAY.

SO WHAT I'M OFFERING IS LET US GO BACK WITH YOUR COMMENTS AND COME UP WITH SOME OPTIONS FOR A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT COULD FIT NICELY INTO THE PROGRAM.

UH, YEAH, I THINK THAT'D BE GREAT AND SOMETHING, I MEAN, WHETHER IT'S COMING UP DETERMINING LATER KIND OF WHAT THE FUNDING CYCLE IS ON THIS, OR IN VANCE SAYING, YOU KNOW, NO MORE THAN, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE DOING A 10% THAN 25,000, THERE'S AN UPPER LIMIT, UH, GET YOU $250,000 A SIDEWALK, UM, WHICH IS SUBSTANTIAL AS OPPOSED TO ON THE, ON THE OTHER STUFF, YOU KNOW, WE MAY BE FUNDING.

I THINK WE DETERMINED THAT THE AVERAGE FUND WAS GOING TO BE ABOUT 70%.

UH, MICHAEL WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF PAST YEARS.

YEAH.

I WENT IN AND YEAH, IT WAS AROUND 67%.

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IT WAS AROUND 67, 67, 33% WAS, WAS THE BREAK ALMOST TO WHERE THE CITY WOULD BE ASSUMING TWO THIRDS IN THE PROPERTY.

IT WAS ONE THIRD, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU BROKE IT ALL OUT OF WHO QUALIFIED FOR WHAT AN AVERAGE THAT, SO 400 IN THAT SCENARIO, 400,000 GETS YOU 600,000 OF SIDEWALKS, CORRECT? YEAH.

YEAH.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE NEED SOME KIND OF INTERIM THING ON THE SIDEWALKS AND I'D BE HAPPY TO SUGGEST IF WE NEED AN INTERIM SOLUTION.

IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE NEED TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE WHILE WE FIGURE OUT THE OTHER PIECE OF IT, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT TOO.

YEAH, I AGREE.

OR WEEKENDS JUST, I'LL JUST OFFER THAT.

WE'LL TELL ANYBODY INTERESTED THAT WE'RE STILL DISCUSSING THAT.

AND I THINK MY, MY CALL, I THINK NEXT MEETING, WE COULD HAVE SOME OPTIONS.

OKAY.

I WOULD SAY THAT WE ARE, WE ARE RECEIVING QUITE A FEW REQUESTS THAT SEEM LIKE WE GET FIVE BETWEEN FIVE TO 10 A WEEK, ALMOST ALL THESE REQUESTS.

SO I THINK THAT THE, THERE MAY NOT END UP BEING A LOT LEFT OVER 400,000 AND I'M HAPPY TO PRIORITIZE.

I MEAN, I'M GOOD WITH PRIORITIZING THE RESIDENTIAL.

UM, DEFINITELY HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE, UM, FOR THE OTHER PROPERTIES.

AND THERE MAY BE YEARS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ANY, ALL THE FUNDING IS USED, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE JUST DON'T DO COMMERCIAL THAT YEAR.

YEAH.

SO, YEAH, I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A, I MEAN, I THINK THAT THE INCREASED PARTICIPATION IS A GREAT PROGRAM AND I THINK WE'LL SEE A LOT OF DEMAND OVER THE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT WE'LL PROBABLY, AS WE GET TWO TO THREE YEARS INTO IT, WE MIGHT, UH, EXHAUST THE EASY DEMAND.

I DON'T KNOW.

WE'LL SEE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

DO WE HAVE JOHN, DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

YES, SIR.

UM, AND THEN LET'S MOVE ON THEN TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS TO CONTINUE DISCUSSION ON, UH, SPEED AND TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES.

AND PAUL WAS GOING TO DO ABOUT THE SAME IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAME PRESENTATION WE HAD LAST TIME.

UM, HE CAN, HE CAN DO IT OR HOWEVER

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YOU WANT TO HANDLE IT, IF YOU WANT TO SURE.

PAUL, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US A QUICK REFRESHER ON THAT DISCUSSION WHERE WE ENDED OFF.

SO, UM, JUST, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THIS KINDA QUICKLY HERE, UM, TRYING TO SAY THIS, RIGHT? YES, SIR.

UM, SO TH THERE'S THE, THE OVERALL GOAL OF OUR, WHAT ARE THE GOALS OF OUR DEPARTMENT IS TRAFFIC OPERATIONS, WHICH IS TO HELP PEOPLE DRIVE SAFELY, OF COURSE, TO, UM, ALSO TO DRIVE EFFICIENTLY, UM, AND TO, AND WE DO THAT THROUGH THE DUKE TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES, SIGNS, UH, PAVEMENT MARKING STRIPING, UM, AND THEN, AND THEN SPEED CONTROL DEVICES, WHICH IS MORE OF A POSITIVE CONTROL OF, OF, OF CONTROLLING PEOPLE ON THE ROAD.

TO SOME EXTENT, UM, TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES ARE EVERYTHING FROM SIGNS, MARKINGS.

LIKE I SAID, SIGNALS, PEDESTRIAN SIGNALS, RAILROAD CROSSINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, GATES AND ARMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND, UH, BICYCLE FACILITIES.

UM, THESE ARE ALL GOVERNED BY THE MANUAL AND UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES.

UM, IT WAS, IT WAS FIRST STARTED IN 1927.

UH, THE LATEST EDITION IS 2009 AND IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF BEING REVISED RIGHT NOW.

UH, BUT IT SPECIFIES EVERYTHING IN THAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW IN THE UNITED STATES.

YOU CAN ALMOST GLANCE AT A SIGN AND NOT REALLY LOOK AT IT AND TELL WHAT IT IS.

A STOP SIGN HAS EIGHT SIDES IS RED AND HAS, YOU KNOW, WHITE LETTERING ON IT.

UM, THE ETCD TCD IS IT'S, THERE'S, UH, AN ENORMOUS AROUND A RESEARCH THAT GOES INTO, INTO, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES, HOW BIG THE HEADS ARE.

UM, AND, AND PEOPLE SIT AROUND AND COMMITTEES.

WE HAVE IN WASHINGTON, DC, AND THEY'RE MADE UP OF PEOPLE FROM ALL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.

IN FACT, STEVE IS ON THE, ON THE, ON THE COMMITTEE AND, UH, IS VERY ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THAT HE JUST SPENDS SPENDS HOURS AND DAYS, UH, ARGUING WITH EACH OTHER ABOUT, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW BIG, HOW BIG ASSIGNS SHOULD BE AND WHAT SHOULD BE THE MESSAGE ON IT.

AND EVERY ASPECT, WHAT COLOR IT IS, WHAT FONT IT SHOULD USE, EVERY, EVERY ASPECT OF IT IS, HAS IT BEEN ARGUED OVER THE LAST, YOU KNOW, ALMOST A HUNDRED YEARS NOW? SO, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHT AND EFFORT THAT GO INTO THIS, UM, TALKING ABOUT SPEEDING SPECIFICALLY, THERE'S THE, THE COMPONENTS THAT KIND OF LEAD TO SPEEDS IN SPEEDING IS REALLY, IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN CONTROL.

I MEAN, IT'S UP TO THE DRIVER TO, TO REALLY DECIDE HOW FAST THEY'RE GOING TO GO.

AND, UM, ALL WE CAN DO IS ENCOURAGE THEM TO GO MORE OF AN APPROPRIATE SPEED.

AND IN FACT, SPEED LIMITS ARE SET BY WHAT'S CALLED 85TH PERCENTILE SPEED, WHICH IS THE SPEED THAT 85% OF PEOPLE ON A ROAD ARE GOING TO DRIVE JUST WITHOUT ANY, ANY SIGNS OR MARKINGS OR ANYTHING.

SO, UM, AND THAT'S GENERALLY GOVERNED BY SORT OF WHAT I CALL THE FEEL OF THE ROAD.

IF, IF YOU HAVE A VERY WIDE OPEN, STRAIGHT, FLAT, AND LONG ROAD, IT'S GOING TO FEEL VERY OPEN.

YOU'RE NOT, I FEEL LIKE YOU CAN GO VERY FAST ON IT, WHEREAS AS OPPOSED TO A VERY CURVY, UM, HILLY, UM, YOU KNOW, ROAD THAT YOU CAN'T SEE VERY LONG, VERY FAR AHEAD OF YOU, YOU'RE NOT REALLY SURE WHAT'S UP THERE.

THERE'S A LOT OF TREES COVERING THE ROAD OR, OR, UH, YOU CAN'T SEE AROUND THE CURVE, YOU'RE GOING GONNA, YOU'RE GOING TO TEND TO SLOW DOWN.

SO THAT'S WHAT, WHAT CAUSES BEING PARTICULARLY IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS WHERE WE AREN'T GOING TO BEAT THAT HIGH TO BEGIN WITH BECAUSE IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO PEOPLE ARE JUST GOING TO GO SLOWER BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT HAS A DIFFERENT FEEL TO IT.

SO, UM, BECAUSE OF THAT, IT'S, IT DOESN'T FEEL AS OPEN.

AND SO THE NARROWER, THE ROAD THAT THE, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN ERASE SOME CURVATURE, EITHER MORE VERTICAL, HORIZONTAL, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT'S GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

UM, SO THAT'S HOW WE ARRIVED AT AT SPEED HUMPS.

UM, AND SOME OF THESE, THERE ARE SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT WILL TEND TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN.

THERE'S

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THERE'S ROUNDABOUTS SPEED HUBS, OF COURSE, CANES, WHICH ARE JUST, JUST DIVERTING PEOPLE, UM, TO THE LEFT OR RIGHT CHOKERS, WHICH NARROW THE ROAD AND DIVERTERS, WHICH KIND OF BASICALLY PUT A CURVE IN THE ROAD.

SO THEY'RE ALL WAYS OF ADDRESSING ONE OR MORE OF THOSE, UM, ASPECTS THAT, THAT TEND TO LEAD PEOPLE TO DRIVE A LITTLE FASTER.

OUR S OUR PROGRAM STARTED IN 1996.

UM, IT WAS, UM, SET UP SO THAT THE CITIZEN REQUESTS A SPEED HUMP AND ON THEIR STREET, UM, WE WILL EVALUATE IT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ELIGIBLE PERSON THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CERTAIN CLASS OF STREETS THAT IS NOT ELIGIBLE ON ANYTHING, I THINK AN EASIER ABOVE IN THOROUGHFARE PLAN.

UM, IT HAS TO MEET ALL THE CRITERIA.

IT HAS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T CAUSE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS WITH RUNNING WATER, INTO PEOPLE'S YARDS.

UM, WE WILL PREPARE, PREPARE SURVEY FORMS TO SURVEY PEOPLE WITHIN THAT BLOCK, OR, OR, OR AT LEAST WITHIN 500 OF THAT, WHERE THAT TRAFFIC, UH, OR THAT SPEED HUB IS GOING TO GO, YEAH, 80% OF THOSE PEOPLE ON THAT SURVEY HAVE TO AGREE TO, UH, THAT THEY WANT THAT HUMP.

AND THEN, UH, ONCE, ONCE THEY REACH 80% AND THEY TURN THOSE IN AND OKAY, WE VERIFIED THEM, UM, THEN THEY, THEY WILL, MUST COME UP WITH $700 PER HOP THAT THEY HAVE MORE THAN ONE HOUSE, THAT 700, HUNDRED DOLLARS PER HOME.

UH, ONCE THEY COME UP WITH THAT MONEY, THEN THE CITY WILL INSTALL THE HUB.

SO THAT'S THE PROGRAM THAT WE'VE HAD, LIKE I SAID, 1996, UM, FOR THE REALLY BY AND LARGE, I REALLY HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMPLAINTS THAT I KNOW OF ABOUT, ABOUT THE PROCESS ITSELF.

UM, THE ONLY COMPLAINT THAT I THINK WE'VE EVER REALLY HAD IS FROM IT REALLY, REALLY ONLY HAPPENED ONE TIME.

UM, THAT WAS ON PATRICIA ACTUALLY.

UH, WE PUT SOME ON PATRICIA AND WE HAD SOME COMPLAINTS FROM A NEIGHBORING STREET THAT WE WERE THEIR, THEIR, THEIR, UH, THEIR TRAFFIC, THEY INCREASED.

AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE OFFERED THE SAME, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SAME ROUTE THAT THEY COULD TAKE TO PUT A SPEED HUMP ON THEIR STREET.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE THEY, I THINK THEY CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT.

SO, UM, THE BENEFIT I THINK OF THIS PROGRAM IS THAT IT'S, IT REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO PUT SPEED HUMPS EVERYWHERE.

WE WE'D LIKE TO LIMIT THOSE TO ONLY PARTICULARLY TO THE PLACES WHERE THERE'S TRULY A PROBLEM.

AND WHAT WE, WHAT HAS REALLY RESULTED FROM THIS IS THAT IF, IF 80% OF THE PEOPLE ON A STREET AGREE THAT THEY WANT A SPEED HUMP, THEN THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD INDICATION THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE, OR AT LEAST A PERCEIVED PROBLEM THAT EVERYONE AGREES TO.

UM, AND THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO COME UP WITH $700 AT THE SAME TIME, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN THE SAME, SAME AMOUNT SINCE, UH, I KNOW SINCE 1999, WHEN I ORIGINALLY GOT HERE.

SO IT'S BEEN JUST ABOUT SINCE THE BEGINNING, UM, THEN, THEN IT REALLY IS FOCUSING THE SOLUTION WHERE, WHERE THERE'S TRULY A PROBLEM.

SO, UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'VE GOT HERE FOR TODAY.

OKAY.

IF YOU COULD UNSHARE YOUR SCREEN, THANK YOU.

ANY THOUGHTS, COUNSEL ON THE PROGRAM OR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MORRIS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO JUMP IN ON THIS? THIS WAS AN ISSUE THAT YOU, UH, THAT YOU INITIATED WITH COMMITTEE, AND THEN WE KIND OF ADDED ON TO A BIT, BUT CERTAINLY LIKE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT.

OKAY.

UM, YEAH, JUST COINCIDENTALLY, I JUST GOT AN EMAIL.

I GET A LOT OF THEM FROM A CITIZEN SAYING, CAN YOU PLEASE HELP US? WE NEED STREET HUMPS ON OUR STREETS SO THAT THE TIMING WAS KIND OF GREAT.

UM, THE, SO PAUL, JUST FOR ME TO BE CLEAR, IT IS NOW ON US TO MAIL OUT THE SURVEYS TO THE IT'S NO LONGER ON THE CITIZENS TO GO DOOR TO DOOR.

CAUSE I KIND OF WENT OVER THIS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

WE HAD A YOUNG WOMAN IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHO WAS TOLD THAT SHE HAD TO TAKE THINGS DOOR TO DOOR AND I DIDN'T WANT HER GOING DOOR TO DOOR TALKING TO A ABOUT JUST STRANGERS.

UM, SO WE NOW MAIL THOSE OUT.

IS THAT CORRECT? WE STARTED DOING THAT

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DURING COVID.

YEAH.

RIGHT.

WE'RE GOING TO KEEP DOING THAT THOUGH.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

SO, SO WE MAIL IT OUT TO THE AREA WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE OTHER REQUESTS.

SO A CITIZEN REQUESTS, IT, UM, THAT THE MAIN THING THAT I HAVE, UM, THE MAIN CONCERN THAT I'VE GOTTEN OVER AND OVER AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE MY DISTRICT FOUR IS THAT THE $700 THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR IS REALLY A STRETCH FOR A LOT OF MY PEOPLE.

SO, UM, I HAD WONDERED IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE DID THE SIDEWALK PARTICIPATION AND IN CDBG AREAS AT LEAST, UM, GAVE THEM AN EXTRA BUMP DOWN ON THEIR PARTICIPATION COSTS.

I WAS WONDERING IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE FOR THE COSTING OF THE SPEED HUMPS THAT IT COULD BE, UM, THAT THE CITIZENS PART COULD BE, UM, MORE OF A SLIDING SCALE, DEPENDING ON, UH, I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING BETTER THAN CDBG STATUS, JUST BECAUSE AGE AND DISABILITY, THAT WOULD BE ONE PERSON, BUT AREAS WOULD COVER A WHOLE STREET.

PRESUMABLY.

SO THAT WAS KIND OF MY INTEREST IN THIS IS SEEING IF WE COULD GIVE AN ADDITIONAL BREAK TO THE RESIDENTS SIDE OF THE COSTING.

THAT MAKES SENSE.

YEAH.

COMPLETELY MAKES SENSE.

AND I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO THINK OF THINGS.

UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT QUALITY OF LIFE IMPROVEMENTS WITH THESE, THESE SPEED BUMPS.

SO MUCH OF WHAT WE DO IN CDBG IS QUALITY OF LIFE IMPROVEMENT.

UH, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM MAKING THIS TOOL MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THOSE AREAS.

UM, AND MAKING THOSE, THOSE RESIDENTIAL AREAS A LITTLE MORE LIVABLE, UH, DOESN'T BOTHER ME A BIT.

SO I'M ON BOARD WITH THAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT SPLIT IS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UH, RIGHT NOW WHAT'S THE, THE RESIDENT COST, IS IT A THOUSAND OR 800 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? 700, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO GO DOWN TO THREE 50, YOU KNOW, JUST THROW ANOTHER 50% ON THERE.

THAT'S, THAT'S FINE WITH ME.

I MEAN, W WE HAVE THE LARGER DISCUSSION OF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE MORE SPEED HUMPS WE ADD THE LONGER IT'S GOING TO TAKE AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE TO GET TO THESE HOMES.

AND SO I'M WORRIED ABOUT BALANCING QUALITY, QUALITY OF LIFE IN, IN, IN, IN ALL OF THESE AREAS, UH, WITH THE ABILITY OF EMERGENCY SERVICES TO RESPOND TO QUICKLY.

AND SO I DON'T WANT TO GO TO IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE, BUT PUT LIFE AT RISK AT THE SAME TIME BY FINANCIALLY INCENTIVIZING IT.

SO I THAT'S, THAT'S KINDA WHERE MY HEAD IS.

UM, IF WE, IF WE SOLVE THE ISSUE OF WHERE WE THINK IT'S OKAY TO PUT IN SPEED HUMPS, THEN I FEEL LIKE THE COST DISCUSSION IS A SEPARATE ISSUE.

AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT, THAT CDBG BUMP, IF THAT MAKES SENSE, I'LL HOP OFF.

YEAH.

IT'S UH, THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE USING THIS 80% KIND OF, UH, UM, YARDSTICK FOR APPROVAL OF PUTTING IN THESE AREAS, UH, DOWN HERE IN THE EASTERN HILLS AREA.

WE WE'VE GOT THEM IN A FEW STREETS.

UM, AND IT'S, I GET CALLS BOTH WAYS.

ONE PEOPLE ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW, UH, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HARD TO GET OVER.

IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST TOO MANY OF THEM, THEY'RE NOT IN THE RIGHT LOCATIONS.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, UH, AND THEY GO, WHO DECIDED THIS, NO ONE CAME TO ME AND TALKED ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF.

AND SO I, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE A LITTLE CAREFUL ABOUT WHO IS SAYING THEY NEED IT AND WHO IS SAYING THEY'RE NOT.

AND TO SOME DEGREE, UH, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT HAVE A SENSITIVITY TO IT QUITE DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS.

AND SOMETIMES I THINK THE, THOSE THAT TALK THE LOUDEST, GET THE, GET THE, GET THE ATTENTION IN, AND THEN THEY REGRET IT AT SOME POINT AS WELL.

I DON'T KNOW.

I JUST, I'M NOT A REAL FAN OF SPEED BUMPS IN GENERAL.

UH, I THINK STOP SIGNS WOULD DO IT BETTER.

UM, BUT I THINK THEY CAN BE EFFECTIVE.

THERE'S NO DOUBT.

UH, I THINK THE DATA ON THAT IS, IS OUT THERE.

OH, WHAT'S THE COST.

AND THEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TALKING ABOUT COST AND I'M OKAY WITH LOOKING AT HOW WE MIGHT MAKE IT MORE ECONOMICAL FOR THE CITIZEN.

UH, I JUST, I JUST DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, A RASH OF, UH, GROWTH OF D JUST BECAUSE NOW WE'VE MADE IT SO INEXPENSIVE THAT PEOPLE GO, WOW.

YEAH.

I'D LIKE TO HAVE A SPEED BUMP HERE.

AND THE SPEED, THEY'VE GOT TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT THAN JUST, I DIDN'T JUST, UH, THINKING THEY'RE GOING TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S THE ISSUE

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WITH THE SAFETY ISSUE.

I MEAN, SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AMBULANCES NEED TO GET DOWN THERE FAIRLY QUICK AND THEY GO THROUGH THESE NEIGHBORHOODS FAIRLY REGULAR IN SOME, IN SOME AREAS.

AND SO I JUST THINK WE'VE GOT A REALLY CHALLENGED THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT, UH, BEFORE WE START TRYING TO MAKE IT WHERE IT'S PROLIFERATES THESE SPEED BUMPS.

UM, AND THEN BECAUSE THERE, ONCE YOU GET THEM THERE, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEN NO ONE WANTS TO PAY TO TAKE THEM OUT.

AND IT'S KINDA LIKE YOU'RE LOCKED OUT AT THAT POINT.

SO YOU'RE NEVER GOING ANYWHERE.

YEAH.

UM, IF I CAN JUMP IN THEN, UH, YEAH.

AND THAT'S JERRY, THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE AS WELL.

I MEAN, WHEN THEY WENT TO REDO GLENBROOK AND IN THE PROCESS OF THAT, BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO REBUILD GLEN BROOKDALE SCRAPED OFF SOME OF THE SPEED BUMPS.

UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER RECEIVED ANY, ANY CALLS THAT CAME UP MORE QUICKLY OR MORE ANGRILY THAN THOSE OF THOSE NEIGHBORS WHO WERE WONDERING WHAT WORDS, WHAT WE'RE DOING.

I, I THINK I WAS ACTUALLY OUT OF TOWN AT THE TIME.

MY PHONE STARTED BLOWING UP ON THAT.

UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE TALKED BEFORE IN THIS COMMITTEE AND I THOUGHT WE'D MADE A PART OF POLICY, BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY, UH, SUGGEST THAT IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOWERING THE PRICE AND KEEP IN MIND THE PRICE HASN'T CHANGED IN 20 YEARS.

SO IN THE RELATIVE SENSE, THESE ARE ALREADY ABOUT 50% CHEAPER, I WOULD GUESS THEN THEY WERE WHEN THEY WERE FIRST IMPLEMENTED.

UM, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT ISN'T A LOT OF MONEY TO SOME FOLKS.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT AT SOME POINT A COUNCIL MADE A POLICY DECISION THAT IT SHOULD BE A HIGH BAR THAT YOU WOULD, THAT YOU SHOULD WANT TO.

AND THEY MEASURED THAT BY HOW MUCH MONEY YOU WERE WILLING TO PUT UP AND PRESUMABLY SPREAD ACROSS.

I THINK THE IDEA WAS THAT THAT WOULDN'T BE ONE PERSON COMING UP WITH $700, BUT THAT IF YOU HAD, YOU KNOW, 50 HOMES OR SOMETHING, THEN, THEN THE COST WAS, WAS RELATIVELY, RELATIVELY LOW.

UM, AND I'M ALREADY WAS LOOKING AT IT, CHANGING THAT 50% SEEMS TO BE A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL REDUCTION.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

UM, I AM WORRIED ABOUT, I MEAN, AND WHEN YOU DO HEAR ABOUT IS THAT THAT PEOPLE MOVED TO OTHER STREETS.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE THING, WHAT I HEAR, I STILL HEAR ABOUT THAT.

YOU KNOW, THEY WANT SPEED BUMPS ON RIDGECREST BECAUSE THEY'RE SPEED BUMPS ON PATRICIA AND THE SPEED BUMPS.

AND SO THE THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE YOU HIT AND MAYBE I'M WRONG ABOUT THIS AND TO ST.

CLAIRE FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN.

BUT I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE IN A LOT OF THESE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, IT'S LIKE IT'S TWO OR THREE PEOPLE.

IT'S NOT THE LION SHARE OF THE TRAFFIC.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I HAVE ONE GUY WHO, YOU KNOW, EVERY DAY WHEN HE CAME HOME BETWEEN, IT WAS BETWEEN EVERY NIGHT BETWEEN FIVE 35 AND FIVE 45.

AND THE FACT THAT I THINK, AND I'M GOING TO DISAGREE WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT ON THIS, PAUL, I THINK THE FACT THAT, THAT IT WASN'T STRAIGHT.

I MEAN, THESE FOLKS THAT THEY LIKE TO HIT THE CURVES AND THEN THE STRAIGHT AWAY, LIKE THEY'RE AT LAGUNA STEAK OR SOMETHING.

AND, AND SO BOOM, THEY HIT THAT AND OFF THEY GO, BUT IT WAS THE SAME GUY EVERY DAY.

AND AFTER DISCUSSION WITH THE NPO ABOUT THE TIMING, YOU KNOW, THAT GUY GOT A TICKET AND HASN'T BEEN A PROBLEM SINCE THEN.

AND SO I WONDER IF SOME OF THE PROCESS WE HAVE, IF, IF THE PROCESS, IF WE HAVE A PROCESS NOW THAT SAYS, WHAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO WE REALLY NEED THESE AND GEE WHIZ? BECAUSE I THINK THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT YOUR AVERAGE CITIZEN IS TERRIBLE AT ESTIMATING.

UM, AND I KNOW I AM TOO, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES I, DESPITE THE FACT THAT MOST OF THEM, I FEEL I'M HALF DEAF.

IF I, YOU KNOW, HEARING AN ENGINE AT A CERTAIN REV, YOU'RE GOING TO THINK THAT YOU MIGHT THINK IT'S GOING FASTER THAN IT IS STUFF LIKE THAT.

AND SO I WONDER IF WHAT WE COULD INCORPORATE INTO THIS IS SOME KIND OF, UM, SPEED STUDY REQUIREMENT IS THAT YOU HAVE TO REACH OUT TO YOUR NPO AND SAY, I WANT TO GET A QUICK SPEED STUDY AND THEY RUN IT.

AND THEN BASED ON WHATEVER NUMBERS YOU GET OUT OF THAT WE DETERMINE, IS THERE REALLY A PROBLEM OR NOT? AND I WOULD EVEN GO SO FAR AS TO SAY, IF WE DETERMINE THERE'S ACTUALLY A PROBLEM, THEN WE'RE GOING TO PUT A, YOU KNOW, WHERE TO PUT TRAFFIC ON IT.

AND WE'RE GOING TO RUN TRAFFIC FOR X NUMBER OF DAYS OR WHATEVER, AND THEN DO ANOTHER SPEED STUDY A MONTH LATER AND SEE WHAT THE ELASTICITY IS ON.

IT KIND OF IDENTIFY WHAT THE ACTUAL PROBLEM IS.

AND SO IF THERE'S JUST BROAD, LIKE LOTS OF PEOPLE SPEEDING ALL THE TIME, MAYBE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE THAT, THAT, THAT YOU NEED TO, YOU KNOW, THAT TH THAT YOU NEED TO WRITE A FEW TICKETS TO, AND THEN THEY STOP, OR MAYBE IT'S SOME BROADER PROBLEM THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.

AND THEN THE IDEA THAT IS YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

UM, AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED, YEAH, WE REALLY NEED, BECAUSE, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC WOULD HAVE TO COME, TRAFFIC WOULD HAVE TO BE HERE EVERY WEEK TO KEEP THE SPEEDS DOWN.

THEN, UM,

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THEN MAYBE THAT WARRANTS A SPEED BUMP, AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THE CITY PUTS IN JUST FLAT OUT, NO COST TO ANYBODY.

SO I KNOW THAT'S ALL VERY RADICAL IN TERMS OF HOW WE'VE DONE THINGS IN THE PAST.

AND ON THE ONE HAND, I DON'T WANT TO PUT TOO MUCH, I WORRY ABOUT ADDING A LOT OF PROCESS AND OTHER STUFF, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THIS IS A WAY WHERE WE COULD KIND OF WHERE WE COULD MEASURE THE PROLIFERATION OF SPEED BUMPS APPROPRIATELY AND, AND, AND COME UP WITH A PROCESS AND YOU STILL HAVE TO GET THE 80% AGREEMENT AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF, BUT WE'D KNOW IF THERE'S REALLY AN ISSUE, OR MAYBE YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, IF WE DETERMINE THERE'S NOT AN ISSUE, IT'S A THOUSAND DOLLARS.

AND IF WE DETERMINE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, 10% EXCEEDING MORE THAN 15% OF THE, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE, MAYBE IF BEN OR CHIEF HAVE SOME IDEAS, I DO THINK WE SHOULD STILL BAR THEM FROM COLLECTORS.

SO AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BE BAD GUYS ON THIS STUFF.

UM, BECAUSE THOSE JUST IMPACT WITH THREE OF THE TOP 10 HEART ATTACKS, ZIP CODES IN, UH, DALLAS COUNTY.

IT JUST, I WORRY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ONE SPEED BUMP CAN DELAY A RESPONSE BY SAY, YOU KNOW, I THINK I'VE HEARD ANYWHERE FROM 20 TO 45 SECONDS, BUT CAN DELAY A RESPONSE TO, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND HOMES.

SO, SO TH THAT'S KINDA MY THOUGHT ON THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF, IF, UH, EITHER THE CHIEFS HAVE, UH, ANY THOUGHTS ON WHAT I JUST KIND OF TOSSED OUT THERE.

I'LL, I'LL TALK TO IT.

AS FAR AS WE DO GET A RANGE OF, UH, COMPLAINTS FROM INDIVIDUALS WHO THEY HAVE A PERCEPTION THAT THEY'RE SPEEDING ON THEIR STREET.

WHEN WE PUT UP AND DO A SPEED STUDY, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AS BAD AS THEY THINK IT IS.

AND THEN THERE ARE AREAS THAT IT IS A PROBLEM, AND THEN WE HAVE TO TAKE ENFORCEMENT ACTION.

AND THEN GENERALLY WE GET COMPLIANCE.

LIKE WE WOULD ANY OTHER AREA, AND THEN IT KIND OF MINES OFF FOR A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN IT COMES BACK.

SO, UM, WE DO LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, PUT THE SPEED BOXES OUT THERE TO SEE THE EXTENT OF THE PROBLEM, UH, TO SEE IF IT'S JUST AN INDIVIDUAL WHO GOT A SPEEDING TICKET THAT WOULD DAY BEFORE NOW THEY NOTICE CARS SPEEDING ON THEIR STREET, UH, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO WE'RE HAPPY TO DO WHATEVER, UH, COUNCIL DIRECTS US TO DO ON THAT.

BUT WE DO BOTH OF THEM, YOU KNOW, WE PUT OUT SPEED BOXES, DO TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT.

AND IN THOSE AREAS WHERE WE SEE A PROBLEM, ANYONE ELSE JOT THEM OVER SMITH.

DID YOU WANT TO JUMP IN, UM, AS ANOTHER OPTION, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UH, ALLOW RESIDENTS TO PETITION TO LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT ON THEIR STREET? UH, OR DO WE HAVE, UH, SOME FORM OF REVIEW? YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THESE OLDER, VERY NARROW STREETS, MAYBE THERE'S CARS ON BOTH SIDES AND 30 JUST DIDN'T CUT IT.

MAYBE THAT THERE'S A CALL TO REDUCE IT TO 25 OR 20, UH, BEFORE WE PUT IN A SPEED HUMP, IS, DOES THAT PROCESS EXIST? NOT REALLY A WAY TO UNDERSTATE LAW.

THE 30 IS REALLY BASICALLY THE MINIMUM.

THERE IS A, HERE'S A PROVISION FOR POSSIBLY GOING TO 25, BUT IT'S AN EXTREMELY ONEROUS PROCESS YOU JUST ABOUT HAVE TO DO AT CITYWIDE.

AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE CHANGING BASICALLY EVERY, EVERY RESIDENTIAL STREET TO 25.

SO YEAH, IT'S NOT A, YOU CAN'T, IT, IT'S PRACTICALLY NOT A POSSIBILITY TO DO THAT.

OKAY.

I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST, UH, UH, IF THE STREET JUST DOESN'T CALL FOR 30 AND WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADJUST THE STREET BASED ON AGE OR A BUILDING DENSITY OR WHATEVER, UH, I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR OTHER, OTHER ALTERNATIVES.

UM, THE OTHER PROBLEM WITH THAT IS JUST CHANGING THE SPEED LIMIT.

I MEAN, REALLY ALL YOU'RE DOING IS CHANGING THE SPEED LIMIT SIGN OF PEOPLE, DRIVING PEOPLE.

AND THAT GOES BACK TO WHAT I WAS SAYING.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DRIVE WHATEVER THEY'RE COMFORTABLE DRIVING DOWN THAT STREET.

SO, I MEAN, WITH, WITH, WITH, IF YOU ACCEPT, I MEAN, THERE'S, YEAH, THERE'S TEENAGERS AS A FEW, A FEW PEOPLE WITH SOME CARS THEY WANT TO TRY OUT THAT ARE NOT GOING TO DRIVE.

WHAT'S COMFORTING.

DO WHAT'S COMFORTABLE FOR THEM IS NOT, WHAT'S COMFORTABLE FOR 85% OF THE PEOPLE.

SO THE MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DRIVE WHAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE DRIVING AND ON A RESIDENTIAL THAT'S USUALLY 30 MILES AN HOUR.

AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, CHIEF ST CLAIRE SAID, I MEAN, THERE'S, YOU CAN, WHAT WE'VE DONE.

WE'VE DONE SOME SPEED STUDIES ON SOME OF THESE BEFORE, AND IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE, BUT ALMOST EVERYBODY.

AND JUST TALKING TO MY COLLEAGUES TOO.

I MEAN, YOU'LL, THE SPEED STUDY WILL TYPICALLY COME BACK ABOUT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN ABOUT 28, 32 MILES AN HOUR.

I MEAN, IT'S USUALLY RIGHT AROUND 30 MILES AN HOUR.

SO

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I, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU'RE SAYING, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A, A NOTICEABLE PROBLEM, THEN, I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE IT REALLY SPEED HUMPS REALLY ARE NECESSARY.

BUT MOST OF THESE WHERE WE PUT THE SPEED HUMPS IN, IT'S USUALLY NOT A PROBLEM.

I MEAN, BUT THERE MIGHT BE ONE OR TWO, YOU KNOW, CARS A DAY THAT, THAT SPEED DOWN THERE AT SOME ODD HOUR OF THE DAY.

AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S USUALLY WHAT IS IT PEOPLE ARE UPSET ABOUT.

SO, OH, JUST PITCHING THE COMBINATION OF WHAT I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, UH, IF WE'RE GONNA MODIFY OUR POLICY, YOU KNOW, NO, NO STREET HUMPS ON COLLECTORS REQUIRE A SPEED STUDY, UM, THAT, THAT HAS SOME THRESHOLD ABOVE THE SPEED OF THE ROAD, WHETHER IT'S A 10% ABOVE THE ROAD.

SO THAT WOULD GET EVERYTHING ABOVE 33.

YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A CONSISTENT PROBLEM THERE, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS NEED TO BE, THAT I LEAVE THAT NEIL'S HANDS.

UM, AND I STILL DON'T MIND TO BREAK FOR CDBG, WHATEVER PERCENTAGE, UH, WE'D WANT TO HIT ON THAT.

BUT I THINK WITH THOSE THREE THINGS, INCLUDING THE CITY, CONTINUING TO SEND OUT THE PETITIONS, WHICH COUNCILWOMAN OR A DEPUTY MAYOR PRETEND MORRIS HAD, UH, HAD WEIGHED IN ON, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE THOSE ARE THE FOUR THINGS THAT WE TWEAK ON THIS POLICY, BUT I REALLY, REALLY LIKE, UH, CHAIRMAN ALBAN'S IDEA ON THE SPEED STUDY TO VERIFY THAT THERE ACTUALLY IS A PROBLEM TO BE SOLVED, AND IT'S NOT JUST A PERCEPTION ISSUE.

SO I'M HEARING A LOT OF GOOD STUFF HERE, UM, AND I'LL HOP OFF.

THANKS.

I WILL SAY THERE'S A THINKING THE, I MEAN, REQUIRING A SPEED STUDY FOR EVERY ONE OF THESE IS GOING TO HAVE A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL IMPACT ON LIKE DEPARTMENT.

SO JUST, I'M SORRY, I COULDN'T QUITE HEAR YOU, PAUL, IF YOU COULD SPEAK UP, UH, REQUIRING THE WARRANT REQUIRING THE, UH, SPEED STUDY WOULD HAVE A FAIRLY, NOT, NOT AN ENORMOUS IMPACT, BUT DEFINITELY A FINANCIAL IMPACT ON OUR, OUR DEPARTMENT.

I MEAN, EVERYBODY HAD DEBT, THERE WOULD BE A DEFINITE FINANCIAL COST TO THAT.

OKAY.

WELL, I MEAN, I FIGURED SOMETHING IN MAYBE CHIEF, CAUSE I'M NOT THINKING OF, I KNOW WE HAVE TWO TYPES OF SPEED STUDIES, RIGHT? WE HAVE THE POLICE PUT THE BLACK BOX OUT SPEED STUDY, AND THEN WE HAVE THE KIND OF FULL BORE TRANSPORTATION SPEED STUDY IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

UM, CHIEF ST.

CLAREMONT, I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, ARE THOSE THOSE SPEED BOXES OR WE PUT THEM UP PRETTY ROUTINELY, I THINK THERE, AND I THINK IT'S TRAFFIC THAT NOW DEPLOYS THEM AT THE REQUEST OF THE NPF IS THAT RIGHT? WE'D HAVE OUR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT, A COUPLE OF THEM THAT WE, THAT AREN'T, YOU KNOW, DEPLOY IN DIFFERENT AREAS TO KIND OF GIVE US A GAUGE ON A PLACE AND THEN TRANSPORTATION ON DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND PAUL COULD SPEAK TO THAT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, OURS, OURS ARE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS SPECIFICALLY IN THE, UH, IN THE INSTRUMENTS ARE WITH ME TWO.

YEAH.

THE ONE, THE ONES THAT WE HAVE ARE, UM, AND WE HAVE TWO SPEED TRAILERS.

I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, I THINK THE ONES THAT Y'ALL HAVE A BOX OF THE SHOW, YOUR SPEED, RIGHT? UH, WE HAVE, YEAH, SO WE HAVE SIMILAR THING, BUT IT'S ALWAYS MOUNTED ON A TRAILER.

SO WE HAVE TWO OF THOSE THAT WE CAN DEPLOY.

UM, THE SPEED STUDY THAT I WOULD DO IS THE PROBLEM.

I MEAN, IF YOU'RE REALLY WANTING TO GET WHAT PEOPLE ARE REALLY DRIVING OUT THERE, YOU DON'T NEED TO SHOW THEM THEIR SPEED BECAUSE IF THEY SEE THEIR SPEED AND THEY'RE SPEEDING, THEY'RE SLOW DOWN.

SO YOU'RE NOT GETTING A TRUE MEASURE OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE DRIVING.

SO WELL, THE SPEED STUDY THAT WE DO WOULD BE TO PUT TUBES OUT, IT'S LIKE A TRAFFIC COUNTER AND IT'LL CATCH YOUR SPEED ALSO.

AND SO IT'LL MEASURE THE WE'LL GET AT 20 AND YOU ALSO GET A MEASUREMENT OVER A 24 HOUR PERIODS.

SO IT'S A, IT'S A LOT OF DATA POINTS THAT YOU'RE MEASURING OFFENDED IN THAT FUNDAMENTALLY THE SAME, WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE, THE TUBES THAT DISTRICTS CROSS ROAD OR, OH, OURS IS A BLACK BOX IT'S KIND OF IN CONSPICUOUS.

SO WE PUT IT UP AND IT DOES A RADAR BACK AND FORTH AND GIVES US A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, A SIMILAR ACCOUNT.

OKAY.

UM, WE PUT IT UP THERE WITH DIFFERENT AMOUNTS OF TIME, DEPENDING ON WIND AND PROBLEM, AS, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE PERIOD OF TIME SOMETIMES, UH, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHERE THE AREA OF THE COMPLAINT IS, IF IT'S AROUND THE SCHOOL DURING SCHOOL TIME OR DO IT DURING THOSE SCHOOL, UH, TIME, NOT WHEN THEY'RE OUT OR, UM, SO WE DON'T GO, WE DON'T DO THE ACTUAL WORK, I GUESS IT COULD BE MORE TO MOST ACCURATE THAT PAUL'S TALKING ABOUT WITH THOSE, UM, WITH THOSE STRIPS

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IN THE ROADWAY.

GOTCHA.

UM, OKAY.

UH, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MORE WHERE YOU, I'M SORRY.

I THOUGHT YOU HAD YOUR HAND RAISED EARLIER AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO IF I DIDN'T GET YOU, BUT THIS PART NOW, WELL, JUST WHEN WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, PEOP PEOPLE ARE STRAIGHT TO GET STRAIGHT HOME SINCE IT'S FOR ONE OR TWO PEOPLE.

AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE ONE STREET IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND SOME OF THE ELEMENTS ARE, AND WE'RE IN, I THINK WE'RE IN A CDBG AREA, BUT, UM, WE'RE NEAR A SCHOOL, A HIGH SCHOOL.

AND THAT IT'S, UH, IT'S WAY MORE THAN TWO OR THREE PEOPLE.

IT'S A, IT'S A FLOOD, UM, OF PEOPLE WHO JET DOWN THE STREET AND, AND THEY, THEY LAUGH AT STOP SIGNS, THE STOP SUCKING STILL.

SO PHYSICAL, UH, THING THAT, THAT MAKES THEM SLOW DOWN HAS BEEN THE ONLY THING THAT'S MADE A DIFFERENCE HERE.

AND, AND THAT'S, UM, THE GENTLEMAN WHO, WHO EMAILED ME RIGHT AS WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION JUST SENT ME A PICTURE OF A, AN OVERTURNED CAR THAT CRASHED INTO ANOTHER CAR APPARENTLY ON HIS STREET IN MY DISTRICT.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT, IF THERE'S AN 80%, BUY-IN, I DON'T THINK IT'S ONE OR TWO GROUCHY NEIGHBORS.

IF YOU HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE WHO SIGNED RESPOND POSITIVELY TO THE, THE SURVEY AND SAY, YES, WE WANT IT.

UM, I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY REASONABLE SAFEGUARD, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, AGAINST IT, JUST BEING A COUPLE PEOPLE WHO GET GROUCHY AND, AND JUST HAVE STREET HOMES PUT IN.

SO I AM STILL VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF GIVING A BREAK TO CDBG AREAS.

UM, OF COURSE NOT PUTTING THEM ON, ON THE ARTERIALS AND, UM, LETTING IT BE CITIZEN DRIVEN.

AND I HAVE, UH, PAUL HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL WITH SPEED STUDIES THAT I'VE ASKED FOR, BUT THEY'RE NOT USUALLY ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS.

SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, DAIRY ROAD, IT'S, IT'S PLACES WHERE WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM, BUT IT DOES SEEM CUMBERSOME POTENTIALLY TO ME TO DO A REALLY, UM, GOOD SPEED STUDY ON NEIGHBORHOODS TO KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS WHERE PEOPLE ARE REQUESTING THESE SPEED HUMPS.

AND THIS SEEMS LIKE AN EXTRA, EXTRA DIFFICULTY VERSUS HAVING 80% OF THE PEOPLE SAY, YES, I WANT ONE.

AND YES, I'M WILLING TO TOSS IN, YOU KNOW, 20 BUCKS TOWARD IT OR WHATEVER THEY HAVE.

SO, UM, I'M KIND OF TORN ABOUT THE, THE, THE SPEED STUDY PART OF IT BEING A PREREQUISITE.

BUT, UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S IT, I DO THINK AREAS AROUND SCHOOLS AROUND HIGH SCHOOLS, UM, ARE PARTICULARLY, UH, TROUBLED.

UM, SO, ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

UH, I DIDN'T LOWER IT FROM LAST TIME.

YOU'RE GOOD.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS, COUNSEL, WHAT I'M THINKING IS, IS MAYBE ASK STAFF ALL OR BEN, IF YOU COULD COME BACK, GIVE US IDEA WHAT, WHAT IT WOULD BE, WHAT THE, IF THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL COST, WHAT THAT WOULD BE, AND MAYBE WHAT THE METRICS COULD LOOK LIKE IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF DISCUSS A LITTLE FURTHER AND DECIDE, I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL WANTS TO DO A PARTIAL, I'D RATHER JUST KEEP IT ALL TILL WE GET IT ALL IN.

WE'LL HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON THE BUS DISCUSSION OF THE SPEED HUMP ISSUE WITH THE THREE OR FOUR TWEAKS.

THAT SOUND ALL RIGHT.

YEAH.

OKAY.

WITH THAT, WE HAVE TWO MINUTES LEFT AND ONE ITEM AND, UH, MR. BAKER, YOU YOU'RE ALREADY WITH US DEFERRING THAT TO THE NEXT TIME, OR I KNOW WE'D LIKE TO GET DONE BY SIX BECAUSE COUNCIL MEETS.

UH, AND I, I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, BUT I COULDN'T HEAR YOU, JOHN, SO WE'RE OKAY.

IS THAT ALREADY WITH THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE? OKAY.

AND THEN WITH THAT, THEN THAT'LL BE THE END.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY, UH, WITH ANY LUCK FOR MR. NICKERSON, THIS'LL BE HIS, UH, THE MAYOR PRO EXAMS LAST TIM MEETING, UH, UNLESS THERE'S A RUNOFF.

AND SO, UH, JERRY, I JUST, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU, UM, FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE IN THIS COMMITTEE, IN PARTICULAR, IN THE IDEAS THAT YOU BROUGHT IN THE, THE ENGINEERING FROM THE ENGINEERING BACKGROUND, EVERYTHING ELSE, AND THE UNDERSTANDING THAT TRANSPORTATION ISSUES PRE-WORK ON THE DRMC IS THE CITY'S REPRESENTATIVE AND FOR YOUR WORK ON THE RTC AS, AS THE ALTERNATE, AND I'M REALLY VERY GRATEFUL, UM, FOR YOUR SERVICE.

AND I APPRECIATE AND RESPECT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR REASONS FOR, UH, UH, FOR RETIRING FROM COUNCIL,

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BUT, UH, YOU'LL DEFINITELY, YOU'LL BE MISSED AND I'VE APPRECIATED WORKING WITH YOU VERY MUCH.

WELL, THANK YOU RICH.

AND, AND, UH, TO, TO EACH OF Y'ALL TOO, I, I, I FIND IT A PRIVILEGE TO BE ABLE TO, UH, BE ABLE TO WORK WITH FOLKS, UH, AND, AND ALL OF YOU HERE, EVEN THE STAFF THEY'VE BEEN EXCELLENT, UM, GREAT PEOPLE ALL THE WAY AROUND, UH, THE CITIZENS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, I DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT KIND OF PRIVILEGE IT REALLY IS.

IT'S HARD WORK, NO DOUBT, BUT IT IS A PRIVILEGE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE.

AND I'M THANKFUL FOR THEM, BUT WORKING WITH EACH OF YOU HAS ALWAYS BEEN, UM, UH, A, UH, IT JUST EXEMPLIFIES WHAT, WHEN PEOPLE ARE FOCUSED ON DOING THE MOST GOOD FOR THE MOST NUMBER OF PEOPLE, HOW MUCH CAN GET DONE, EVEN WHEN WE DIFFER ON SOME WAYS TO GET THERE, I'VE NEVER EVER THOUGHT THAT ANY OF US HERE HAVE NOT HAD THEIR HEART IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

WE JUST MAY BE GOING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, PERIODIC, BUT, BUT I REALLY THINK IT'S BEEN A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR ME.

AND, UM, I WILL REMEMBER IT VERY FONDLY, UH, AND ALSO TO EACH OF YOU, THANK YOU FOR YOUR FRIENDSHIP AND, AND FOR THE CHALLENGE AND THE PROFESSIONALISM THAT YOU'VE SHOWN ME.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

YES, SIR.

IT'S PRIVILEGES PRIVILEGES.

AND WITH THAT, UNLESS THERE'S ANY FURTHER COMMENT, UH, WE WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Speech-to-Text.