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IT'S FOUR O'CLOCK THEN FOR RECORDING, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START.

WELCOME TO THE MAY 17TH MEETING OF THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE.

I HAVE MYSELF COUNCILMAN DYLAN, HENDRICK ALONG WITH COUNCIL MEMBER, ROBERT VERA HERE WITH US.

UM, WE HAVE THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.

TODAY IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE MARCH 15TH MEETING.

UH, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MEETINGS.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL AFFAIR.

I SECOND THAT YEAH, WE'LL HAVE MILLIONS APPROVE.

THERE'S ONLY TWO OF US.

I SHOULD MENTION THAT.

UH, COUNCILMAN NEIL, WHO HAS NOW BEEN REPLACED BY COUNCILMAN BASS IS NO LONGER ON THE COMMITTEE.

UH, WE'RE WAITING ON THE REASSIGNMENTS OR THE ASSIGNMENTS OF THE NEW COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE THOSE SOON TO HAVE ANOTHER MEMBER AND BACKUP TO THREE.

SO IT'S JUST MYSELF AND COUNCILMAN VERA AT THIS TIME.

AND WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, THEN WE'LL MOVE TO ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.

OUR FIRST AND ONLY ITEM IS REVIEW A DRAFT ORDINANCE REGARDING HISTORIC OR ICONIC SIGNS.

UM, MR. GUERIN, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO PICK UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF.

UM, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, UH, THE COMMITTEE HAD DIRECTED STAFF TO, UM, DRAFT AN ORDINANCE FOR AN HISTORIC SIGN, UM, STORK SIGN ORDINANCE.

SO MR. UM, ENGLAND, UH, DRAFTED THIS UP, UM, MR. OLSEN, I TOOK A LOOK AT IT, UM, THEN MR. REX AS WELL.

AND SO THIS, UH, THE DRAFT IS, IS BEFORE YOU ALL, UM, WE GAVE MR. ENGLAND THE MEETING AUGUST IT'S HIS BIRTHDAY APPARENTLY, BUT, UH, UH, BUT YES, THAT'S, THAT'S THE DRAFT IT'S PRETTY SIMILAR TO, UM, MARBLE FALLS ARE CALLED THE COMMITTEE, UH, WAS KIND OF INTERESTED IN SOMETHING STRUCTURED SIMILAR TO THAT.

SO IT, IT IS, UM, SIMILAR TO MARBLE FALLS.

UM, LET'S SEE, HAD A COUPLE OF NOTES HERE, BEAR WITH ME.

UM, HERE WE GO.

UM, IT OUTLINES A PROCESS FOR HISTORIC SIGN DESIGNATIONS.

UM, THERE IS AN APPLICATION PROCESS INVOLVED.

UM, IT GOES, UM, THROUGH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL FOR REVIEW AND ULTIMATELY GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR RECOMMENDATION AND TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL REVIEW AND APPROVAL.

UM, SO THAT'S THE GENERAL PROCESS OUTLINED IN THIS ORDINANCE? UM, SOME OF THE CRITERIA IN THERE, THE SIGN MUST BE AT LEAST 50 YEARS OLD.

UM, IT MUST HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED AT LEAST 50 YEARS, UH, PRIOR TO, UH, APPLICATIONS TO METAL, UM, AND SOME OTHER ADDITIONAL CRITERIA AS WELL THAT IT MUST ARCHITECTURALLY OR AESTHETICALLY BE REPRESENTATIVE OF A PERIOD, UH, 50 PLUS YEARS AGO.

UM, LET'S SEE THE COURSE THERE ARE PERMITTING AND ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURES OUTLINED, UH, IN THIS ORDINANCE.

UH, THERE'S SOME RELOCATION CRITERIA IF THE REQUEST TO RELOCATE ASSIGN, UM, IT'S PRETTY FLEXIBLE ON RELOCATING, UH, MAINLY AS LONG AS IT'S NOT, UM, ON RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROPERTY, UM, THAT THAT'S SPELLED OUT IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT IT COULD BE RELOADED, LUPE, EXCUSE ME, RELOCATED TO THE ORIGINAL SIGN LOCATION OR, UM, PERHAPS ON THE SAME PREMISE OR, UM, UH, UH, PROPERTY WITH SIMILAR BUSINESSES WITHIN A ONE MILE RADIUS.

UM, UH, BUT REALLY BEYOND THAT, UM, WE'LL KIND OF JUST OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE.

SURE.

I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS THAT I'LL LET COUNCILMAN VERY GO FIRST IF HE HAS ANYTHING.

WELL, UH, THANK YOU.

UM, WELL, AS LONG AS WE'RE DOING THE, UH, YOU COPYING, UH, BLUE BONNET CAN'T PAY RIGHT IN MARBLE BALLS.

YES.

THAT WAS KIND OF THE STARTING POINT OF THE DRAFT OF THIS ORDINANCE WAS THE CITY OF MARBLE FALLS.

UM, I DON'T MIND DOING THAT AS LONG AS WE GET THE BLUE BONNIE PIES AND CAKES OVER THERE, I'M JUST GETTING, NO, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE WAY IT'S WORDED OR ANYTHING.

AND, UM, WE JUST, UM, I THINK WE OUGHT TO BRING IT TO COMMITTEE.

I MEAN, TO THE COUNCIL GOT SOME IN HERE.

I'LL TAKE THAT TRIP WITH YOU DOWN THERE TO MARVEL.

YEAH, WE NEED TO KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PIES I HAVE EATEN WHEN I USED TO GO TO MY RANCH ON TWO 81.

I MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WE WERE GOING TO STOP THERE.

OKAY.

BUT THAT'S MINE.

I'M OKAY WITH EVERYTHING.

SURE.

AND I HAVE JUST ONE QUESTION REALLY IT'S UNDER THE, THE, UH, TECHNOLOGY PART OF THE CRITERIA IT'S TALKS ABOUT THE SIGN MUST BE ARCHITECTURALLY AND AESTHETICALLY REPRESENTED THE PERIOD.

AND REALLY WE TALK ABOUT IN SEVERAL PLACES ABOUT TECHNOLOGY.

HAS THAT

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REMAINED SIMILAR TO THE ORIGINAL? I JUST WONDER HOW MUCH LEEWAY THIS GIVES US FOR UPGRADING LIGHTS.

FOR INSTANCE, IF IT'S AN OLD TYPE OF SIGN WITH INCANDESCENT BULBS AND NOW THEY'RE TRANSFERRED TO LED BULBS OR SOMETHING EQUIVALENT TO THAT.

WELL, THEY EVEN DO ON, UH, YOU KNOW, OLD NEON SIGNS OR EVEN CONVERTING A LOT OF THOSE OVER TO LED NOW.

AND, UM, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

UH, JIM, ANY THOUGHTS YOU'VE GOT ON THAT? I KNOW THAT'S COMPLETELY UP TO YOU ALL IT'S IT'S WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD DEEM IT HISTORIC OR NOT.

ONCE YOU CHANGE IT FROM A NEON TO AN LED, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S THE, THE LOOK OF THE SIGN, THEN THAT'S FINE.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO CAPTURE THE ORIGINALITY OF THE SIGN AND YOU SWITCHED FROM THE LED TO THE NEON, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, UM, THE GARLAND SHOPPING CENTER SIGN, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE ISSUES WITH IT GOING OUT ALL THE TIME.

RAIN COMES INTO THE CABINET FRIES, THE STUFF, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HALF OF IT DOESN'T LIGHT UP AND THEN I GET A CALL ON IT.

SO YEAH, CHANGING IT ALL OUT WOULD CERTAINLY MINIMIZE THE MAINTENANCE AND MAKE IT LONGER LASTING, BUT IT DOES KIND OF RUIN THAT CHARACTER OF THE HISTORICAL SIDE OF THAT.

UH, BUT THAT'S TRULY UP TO THE COUNCIL'S DECISION.

YEAH.

I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS MORE, UH, THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO, UM, HOW'S THIS WRITTEN, DOES IT SEEM TO PROVIDE LEEWAY FOR DOING THAT? I MEAN, EVEN IN LAS VEGAS, THEY'RE CHANGING THEIR SIGNS FROM NEON TO LED AND I DON'T THINK IT REALLY CHANGES THE, YOU KNOW, THE INTENT OR THE INTEGRITY OF THEIR BUILDINGS OUT THERE.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S CERTAINLY LIKE YOU JUST GAVE THAT EXAMPLE OF RAIN GETTING IN THE CABINET, IF IT WAS AN LED IT, I THINK THE INTENT, AND IT WOULD STILL LOOK SIMILAR AND BE ASCETICALLY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PERIOD SIMILAR INTENDED IT'S WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE LOOK OF IT.

IT JUST THE TECHNOLOGY BEHIND IT TO RIDE THAT.

SO MY, MY ONLY SUGGESTION, IF WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE DID THAT, THAT THEY INSTALL IT IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT, IT, IT MIMICS THAT DESIGN LOOK, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN SWITCHING OUT TO AN LED STRIP, THAT YOU COULD SEE THE INDIVIDUAL LIGHTS RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, FRO FROSTING THE INSIDE OF THE TUBE WHERE IT ALL BLENDS AND LOOKS LIKE AN OLD LEON.

YEAH.

I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

YEAH.

AND I KNOW OUR, OUR ATTORNEYS OUT ONLINE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE PART OF A REWRITE BEFORE WE PRESENTED THE COUNCIL, BUT THAT WAS MY ONE BIG COMMENT AS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT ABILITY TO UPDATE THE TECHNOLOGY WHILE MAINTAINING THE INTENT.

WELL, AND I CERTAINLY THINK WE COULD ADD THAT IN THERE WHEN WE MOVED IT OVER TO COUNSEL, YOU CAN TELL US THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, DEVISE A PARAGRAPH THAT DID THAT AND THEN MOVE IT FORWARD TO COUNCIL.

YEAH.

I'D BE HAPPY TO, I AGREE WITH, WITH CHAIRMAN, UM, IF YOU TAKE, LIKE, I AGREE WITH YOU, IF YOU TAKE THAT SIGN OUT THE WAY IT WAS, THEN IT'S NOT HISTORICAL, YOU KNOW, IF YOU START PUTTING ALL THAT IN THE LIGHT, WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU START CHANGING ON A DAY LIKE, UH, MR. OAKS IS SAYING, YOU KEEP IT THE WAY IT WAS.

YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE INTENT IS TO KEEP THE CHARACTER OF THE SONG, BUT UPDATE THE TECHNOLOGY BEHIND IT, THE METHOD OF LIGHTING AND THE, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER EQUIPMENT I'M, I'M CERTAIN THAT MAKE SIGNS DIFFERENTLY NOW THAN THEY DID 50 YEARS AGO.

SO, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH, UM, SOME LANGUAGE ADDED.

THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY THE CHARACTER OF THE SIGN IS MAINTAINED BY THE TECHNOLOGY, THE LIGHTING, WHATEVER WHATEVER'S NEEDED TO ACTUALLY FUNCTION FOR THE SIGN TO FUNCTION, UM, COULD BE UPDATED AS LONG AS THE CHARACTERS MAINTAINS THAT WHAT WE'RE HEARING.

RIGHT.

AND THEN IT'S UP TO THE PLAN COMMISSION AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE THAT IF AS PRESENTED.

YEAH.

OKAY.

YEAH.

I'VE, I'M SURE BRIAN CAN COME UP WITH SOME LANGUAGE TO THAT EFFECT THAT SHOULDN'T BE TOO DIFFICULT.

MR. CHAIRMAN.

YES, SIR.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, LIKE JEFF CHAN, WE MAKE A MOTION TO REWRITE THE ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE PRESENT IT TO COUNCIL.

YEAH.

WELL, A MOTION THEN TO INCLUDE THAT, UH, ABILITY TO MODIFY OR UPDATE THE TECHNOLOGY WHILE MAINTAINING THE SAME INTENT AND AS THEY READ.

EXACTLY.

OKAY.

I'LL SECOND THAT THEN ANYTHING ELSE TO DISCUSS THEN ALL IN FAVOR, I HAD A COUPLE OTHER, UM, SUGGESTIONS, SORRY, KIND OF, KIND OF LATE TO THE, UH, SO THE, OF COURSE BY HISTORICAL STANDARDS, THE 50 IS KIND OF THE, WHEN IT COMES TO ANYTHING ARCHITECTURAL, UM, IS KIND OF THE BENCHMARK FOR BEING HISTORIC.

AND SO WE BUILT THAT IN HERE.

UH, MY ONE THOUGHT IS THAT IF WE COME UPON A SCENARIO,

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SAY WHEN WE'RE DOING A REDEVELOPMENT DEAL, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO THE GARLAND SHOPPING CENTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THERE IS A W WHAT MAYBE THE COUNCIL WOULD DEEM TO BE A ICONIC SIGN OR HISTORIC SIGN THERE, BUT MAYBE IT ISN'T QUITE 50 YEARS, UH, THAT WE PROVIDE SOME LEEWAY FOR THE COUNCIL, THE PLAN COMMISSION AND COUNCIL TO APPROVE THAT AS A HISTORIC SIGN.

UM, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT QUITE REACH THAT 50 YEARS, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING THE, THE BEEF HOUSE SIGN OR SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE OTHER THOUGHT IS THAT IF WE ARE, IF THE APPLICANT OR THE CITY IS NOT ABLE TO VERIFY, UH, THAT 50 YEAR AGE, EITHER THROUGH PHOTOGRAPHS OR SOME OTHER MEANS, UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S A SIGN THAT WE, WE WANT TO PRESERVE AS HISTORIC, UM, THAT WE, YOU KNOW, MAKE SOME PROVISION FOR THAT.

SO REALLY IF YOU TAKE, UM, UNDER CRITERIA NUMBER FIVE, UH, SO IN THE ORDINANCE, UM, AND WE PROBABLY NEED TO BUILD IT IN SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT BASICALLY SAY THAT, UM, BEFORE THE, YOU KNOW, UH, IF THE SIGN IS, UH, LESS THAN 50 YEARS OF AGE BEFORE THE DATE OF APPLICATION, IT STILL MAY BE DESIGNATED AS A, AS A HISTORIC SIGN, UM, THROUGH, BY THE CITY COUNCIL OR SOME SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

BUT, UH, WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT, SEE WHAT YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

AGAIN, THERE MAY BE SOME, UH, A REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY THAT PRESENTS ITSELF, AND WE WANT TO PRESERVE A SIGN, BUT IT DOESN'T QUITE MEET THAT 50 YEARS.

UM, SO KEEP THAT AS THE BENCHMARK, BUT ALLOW COUNCIL THE OPPORTUNITY TO STILL DESIGNATED, IF IT, IF IT MAKES SENSE.

I KNOW THAT, UH, MARBLE FALLS HAD DIFFERENT DESIGNATORS.

ONE WAS A VINTAGE SIGN, AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS 25 TO 50 YEARS IN THERE.

AND OUR OWNER ORDINANCE HERE DIDN'T BREAK DOWN AS MUCH THE DIFFERENT INTO THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES BASED ON AGE.

BUT, UH, I DO LIKE THAT ABILITY THEN TO, UH, POND COUNCIL DESIGNATION, DESIGNATED HISTORICAL SIGN, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T MEET THAT CRITERIA.

UM, MR. BARRON, DO YOU HAVE A THOUGHT ON THAT? UH, UH, VINTAGE IS PRETTY GOOD.

WORD CAN PUT IN THERE, LIKE THE JETSON NOW THE VINTAGE SIGN THAT THEY HAD, IT HAD TO BE AT LEAST 25 YEARS OLD, UH, TO RECEIVE THAT.

DO WE WANT TO PUT IT IN THOUGHTS ON RESTRICTIONS? WELL, LIKE, LIKE SAY, AND, UH, IF THEY CAN MAKE, IF IT WAS 25 OR 50 YEARS OLD, YOU KNOW, BUT CAN WE GO BACK ON RECORD AND SEE HOW OLD THE, THE PLACE WAS OR IS, OR NOT ON THE BEAT RECORDS? YEAH, I KNOW THE, AS FAR AS WELL, THE RECORDS WE USUALLY REFER TO ARE, UM, THE CAD D CAD.

RIGHT? CAUSE THEY'LL TELL YOU WHEN THE BUILDING WAS BUILT, BUT GENERALLY THAT'S NOT FOR THE SIGNAGE AND JIM, OUR RECORDS PROBABLY DON'T GO BACK TOO FAR.

DO THEY? WE CAN, WE HAVE, UM, MICROFILM RECORDS WAY BACK, BUT THEY'RE NOT INDEX.

SO WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'VE GOT THE RECORDS.

WE JUST CAN'T FIND THEM.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE STUFF WE CAN PARSE DOWN AND FIGURE OUT WHEN SOME OF THOSE SIGNS WERE INSTALLED, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE BEEF HOUSE, WE COULD FIGURE OUT IF IT WENT IN AND YOU KNOW, WHAT TIME, AND WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE A BEEF HOUSE SIGNED BEFORE IT WENT IN.

UM, SO SOME OF THAT WAS COME DOWN PRETTY CLOSE TO, WELL, I KNOW THAT THE BIG HOUSE, IT'S 50 YEARS OLD FOR SURE, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THERE AND I'LL GET ABOUT WAY BACK THERE, YOU KNOW? SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO BACK NOW 50 YEARS, SEEING WHAT IT PUT YOU ON GO BACK 50 YEARS FROM NOW.

AND, UH, LE LET'S SAY LAST YEAR TWO TO NOW IS 21 YEARS.

AND THEN 30 YEARS FROM THEN THAT WAS 1970.

AND IT WAS THERE BEFORE THAT, YOU KNOW? YEAH.

OH, OF COURSE YOU CHANGE OWNERSHIP.

AND BELIEVE ME, I WENT THERE AND SEVERAL TIMES, AND I HAD TO LEAVE BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET OUT OF THERE, IT WAS LIKE GOING TO A NIGHT CLUB OR A BAR.

IT WAS MOKE ALL, OH, YOUR SHIRT JUST MELT IT.

RIGHT.

EVERYBODY IS SMOKING IN THERE, YOU KNOW? SO IT WAS ONE OF THOSE PLACES THAT YOU CAME

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FORGET.

THERE YOU GO.

YEP.

SO THEN WHAT DO YOU THINK CHRISTOPHER MAKE A MOTION THEN TO ADD ANOTHER, UM, ANOTHER LINE TO OUR ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ALLOW THE CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE, UH, THE ABILITY TO MAKE A, UH, TO OUR, TO DESIGNATED HISTORIC SIGN.

EVEN IF IT'S UNDER 50 YEARS, MAYBE 25 TO 50, PUT A TIMELINE ON IT, OR AT LEAST MAYBE NOT 50 YEARS, BUT SAY 40 YEARS, 30 YEARS, I COUNT ON CHAIRMAN.

WHY DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A YEAR TIMELINE IN THERE? IF THE COUNCIL WANTED TO KEEP A SIGN, ANY SIGN, YOU KNOW, AND IT WAS ICONIC, YOU KNOW, WHY, YOU KNOW, WHAT, IF IT'S 10 YEARS OLD AND YOU KNOW, SOMETHING CHANGED AND WE NO LONGER ALLOWED THOSE SIGNS AND IT BECAME NON-CONFORMING.

WHY W YOU KNOW, WHY SHOULDN'T COUNCIL JUST HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT REGARDLESS OF THE AGE? UM, I, I, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

I'M LOOKING THOUGH AT OUR ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN AND IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS HISTORIC SIGNS AND HISTORIC TO ME MEANS HAVING A LITTLE HISTORY.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO CHANGE IT TO BE HISTORIC AND ICONIC THEN.

UM, YEAH, I DUNNO, MY, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE KEEP THE 50, BUT JUST PROVIDE THAT PROVISION IN THERE THAT IF IT'S LESS THAN 50 COUNCIL COULD STILL DESIGNATED A HISTORIC SITE.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN 25 YEARS, BUT LESS THAN 50, YOU KNOW? SO BECAUSE WE PUT TOO MUCH WORDING IN THERE IS LIKE, UH, MR. OBS, THEN IT'S GOING TO BE PROBLEMATIC.

YOU KNOW? SO THEN IS THAT OKAY? AM I HEARING EMOTION OUT OF YOU JUST TO ALLOW IT TO HAVE, BUT THE CITY COUNCILS WILL DESIGNATE A SIGN, NO MATTER WHAT, THE AGE THEN, UH, WELL, OVER 25 YEARS, YOU KNOW, AND LESS THAN 50, LIKE, UH, MR. OAKS IS SAYING THIS AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MR. JIM.

OH, I WAS JUST SAYING, I THINK IT'S EASY ENOUGH TO WRITE AN EXCEPTION IN THERE IS, UM, UH, MR. REX TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'LL, WE'LL USE 50 AS A STANDARD, BUT COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER ANYTHING LESS THAN THAT.

MAKE THAT AS A JUDGMENT CALL.

OH, OVER 25 YEARS.

AND IF YOU WANT IT OVER 25, BUT I'D RATHER HAVE IT OVER 25 YEARS, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE GONNA, UH, ANYBODY CAN HAVE A HISTORICAL SITE.

YEAH.

AND BECAUSE THIS, AS IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, IF WE DON'T HAVE ICONIC IN OUR ORDINANCE AT ALL, IT'S JUST HISTORIC SIGNS.

I'M HAPPY TO BRING IT THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, ADD THE 25 YEAR MINIMUM FOR SCIENCE AND THEN BRING IT TO COUNCIL.

AND THEN OF COURSE WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER CRACK AT IT AT THAT POINT.

YEAH, I THINK SO.

JUST BRING IT TO COUNCIL AND THEN WE CAN BRING IT IN THERE.

OKAY.

AND INSTEAD OF EMOTION, THEN WITH THE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE DO OVER 25 AND A 25, 50 YEARS.

OKAY.

SO STAN, THE MOTION FOR COUNCIL CAN DESIGNATE A SIGN IT'S HISTORIC, UH, IF IT'S LESS THAN 50 YEARS, BUT HAS TO BE AT LEAST 25 YEARS OLD THEN.

EXACTLY.

ALL RIGHT, I'LL GO FOR THAT.

OKAY.

ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE.

AYE.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE HAVE THAT POROUS TAKE OF IT, AND WE CAN EVEN BRING IN OUR REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL, UH, TALKING ABOUT ICONIC SIGNS.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROVISION FOR THAT.

WE CAN MAKE THAT POINT.

IF WE WANT TO ADD ANOTHER SUBCHAPTER DESIGNATION TO THIS ORDINANCE TO PERHAPS INCLUDE A PROVISION FOR ICONIC SIGNS.

AND THAT WOULD COVER ANYTHING THAT WAS UNDER 25, OR IT COULD BE REALLY COVERED ANYTHING AT THAT POINT, REGARDLESS OF THE YEAR.

YEAH.

OKAY.

WHAT DO, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY ICONIC? WELL, IF YOU HAD SOME DEVELOPER COME ALONG AND MAKE A SPECTACULAR SIGN, THAT WE'RE ALL JUST WILD BY TOMORROW, AND WE COULD DESIGNATE THAT ICONIC SIGN OR, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BRAND NEW, BUT IT SAYS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE OLD ONE.

WELL, EVEN IF IT'S PSYCHOTIC, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE HISTORIC.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO LOOK OLD, EVEN IF IT'S BRAND NEW.

YEAH.

MAYBE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY IN OLD DOWNTOWNS THEY WOULD PAINT KIND OF MURAL SIGNS ON THE SIDE OF BUILDINGS FOR ICE CREAM SHOPS

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OR A CAR DEALER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME IT GETS PAINTED OVER TIME AND TIME AGAIN, BUT THERE'S PHOTOGRAPHS OF IT.

AND SO WHAT A LOT OF CITIES DO IS, UM, TAKE THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS KIND OF REPAINT THE MURAL.

SO IT'S TECHNICALLY, PROBABLY NOT A HISTORIC SIGN BECAUSE IT'S PAINTED COMPLETELY NEW, BUT IT'S REFLECTIVE OF THE HISTORY.

AND SO YOU KIND OF CONSIDER IT MAYBE ICONIC AND IT GIVES A, ANOTHER DESIGNATION OPPORTUNITY TO IT.

SO I, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST TRYING TO THINK OF AN EXAMPLE WHERE THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE AND A NEWER SIGN BECAUSE IT'S PAINTED NEW, BUT WE WANT TO DESIGNATE IT ICONIC BECAUSE IT MEANS SOMETHING TO THE COMMUNITY.

OKAY.

WE'LL, WE'LL BRIEF THE COUNCIL THAT WAY.

WELL THEN WE'LL, WE'LL BRING IT THEN WITH THOSE TWO ADDITIONS.

UH, AND WE ALSO MENTIONED THAT POSSIBLY IF ICONIC SCIENCE THAT WE DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY ADD TO THIS ORDINANCE, BUT THAT COULD BE ADDED, UH, POSSIBLY LATER, IF WE WANT TO ADD ANOTHER PROVISION INTO IT.

UM, I'M HAPPY WITH THE, WITH THE WORDING AND BIG, THEY DID A GOOD, VERY GOOD JOB OF, OF THE ORDINANCE AS IT IS WRITTEN.

RIGHT? YEAH.

THANK YOU.

WE'LL FOR CHECKING IT ALL OUT AND YOUTUBE GET IN GYM.

YEAH, I APPRECIATE IT.

UH, WE WANT TO SHOOT HIM FOR THE FIRST WORK SESSION IN JUNE.

THAT'S FINE.

IF THAT GIVES ENOUGH TIME TO ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO, TO ADD THOSE TWO TO, UH, PROBATION TIME.

AND I THINK THEY CAN GET THAT DONE SINCE THEY'RE NOT HERE TO SAY NO.

EXACTLY.

YUP.

THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THEN I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU EVERYONE.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I ACTUALLY DID HAVE ONE QUICK ITEM, JUST A QUICK UPDATE CIRCLE BACK ON PENDING ITEMS. WE TALKED ABOUT A FEW MONTHS AGO WITH THE CARPORTS, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE POLLS.

UM, YES, WE LANDED ON, UH, MENDING THAT LANGUAGE IN THE GDC.

UM, OUR, UH, MINUTES SAID SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF LANGUAGE INDICATING THAT THE POLLS SHOULD INCLUDE TREATMENT, WHICH COMPLIMENTS THE MAIN BUILDINGS, UM, SPOKE WITH MR. ENGLAND, UM, RECENTLY ABOUT THIS AND WHAT HE RECOMMENDS IS NOT, HE DOESN'T RECOMMEND A FORMAL LANGUAGE CHANGE WHAT HE RECOMMENDS, CAUSE HE KIND OF FELT THAT MAYBE PUTTING WORDS IN HIS MOUTH, BUT MY IMPRESSION WAS IT WAS KIND OF GOING FROM ONE FLOWERY LANGUAGE TO ANOTHER.

SO HE RECOMMENDED NOT REALLY CHANGING THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE, BUT JUST, UM, NAILING DOWN THAT THE, THAT WE'RE GOING TO INTERPRET IT ADMINISTRATIVELY A CERTAIN WAY.

AND I THINK OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM THE COMMITTEE WAS, UM, THAT, THAT AT LEAST PAINTING THE POLES, UM, TO MATCH THE BUILDING VERSUS, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING ACTUAL MASONRY OR BRICK STONE TO BE WRAPPED AROUND THE POLES, BUT THAT WAS THE INTENT BEHIND IT.

SO JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT IF, UM, IF THE COMMITTEE IS GOOD WITH THAT OR IF WE WANT TO MAKE THAT PART OF THE REPORT, UM, COMMITTEE REPORT, UM, JUST KIND OF WANTED TO MENTION THAT.

YEAH.

I'M, I'M FINE WITH THE PAINT.

I THINK THAT WAS OUR INTENT.

EXACTLY.

JUST TO GET THAT.

AND WE, WE DISCUSSED THAT ABOUT PAINTING THE SIGN WAS WITH THE BUILDING TO MATCH THE BUILDING, RIGHT? YES, SIR.

YEP.

SO WE, SO WE'RE, WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.

UM, MR. ENGLAND JUST DIDN'T RECOMMEND, UH, OR DIDN'T SEE A NEED FOR CHANGING THE ACTUAL GDC LANGUAGE.

UM, JUST IF WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE ON HOW THAT'S TO BE ADMINISTERED MOVING FORWARD.

YEAH.

I'M FINE.

WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL ON THAT.

DO YOU WANT TO MENTION THAT AT THE MEETING IN JUNE AS WELL? YEAH.

I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS THAT AT OUR UPDATE.

ARE WE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING THAT BACK UP TO COUNCIL ABOUT THE POLLS.

I THOUGHT WE HAD DISCUSSED THAT BEFORE.

WHAT DID WE REPORT IT TO COUNSEL? I BELIEVE WE JUST DISCUSSED AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL.

YEAH.

SO WHEN W WHEN WE REPORT TO COUNCIL, THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THAT ITEM.

WE HAVEN'T MADE THE REPORT ABOUT THAT YET.

NO.

OKAY.

YEAH.

THAT'S FINE WITH ME.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE SPENDING WITH NO OTHER AGENDA ITEMS? THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.

ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN WITH THAT, I KNOW WHAT I WAS AFFORDED.

THIS.

WE ARE ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYBODY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

SEE YOU LATER.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Speech-to-Text.