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FIVE.

OH ONE,

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WHY

[Transportation Infrastructure Mobility Committee Meeting on May 18, 2021.]

DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

THIS IS THE CITY OF DARWIN COUNCIL, TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY COMMITTEE MEETING FOR TUESDAY, MAY 18TH, 2021.

I'M THE CHAIR COUNCIL MEMBER, RICHARD ROBYN.

I HAVE WITH ME ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, MANY OR PRETEND JERRY NICKERSON AND COUNCIL MEMBER, ROBERT JOHN SMITH, AND NUMBER OF LUMINARIES FROM CITY STAFF WHEN JUMP RIGHT INTO IT.

FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, APPROVING THE MINUTES.

HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO SORT OF LOOK AT THE MINUTES? OKAY.

IF I GET A YAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND NDA ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, AYE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO ON THE AGENDA IS I BELIEVE THIS IS THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM.

SECOND.

I DON'T HAVE THE AGENDA RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.

SO LET'S DO THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM.

DO WE HAVE ANY, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY KIND OF, IF WE HAVE ANY KIND OF STRUCTURE TO THAT, IF WE WENT FROM STAFF TO PAUL OR MICHAEL HAD SOMETHING ON THAT GOES ON THE SIDEWALKS AND, UM, I WILL SHARE MY SCREEN REAL QUICK AND WE'LL CONTINUE WITH THE DISCUSSION WE HAD LAST.

UM, THERE WE GO.

SEE IF I CAN.

SURE.

ALL RIGHT.

HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY CAN SEE MY SCREEN.

CAN YOU SEE THE SCREEN? YES, SIR.

IS IT SEAN THE AGENDA OR IS THIS SHOWING MY SIDEWALK PROGRAM? IT IT'S SHOWING THE, UH, THE SIDEWALK PRESENTATION.

OKAY.

CAUSE IT'S ON A DIFFERENT SCREEN ON MINE.

OKAY.

UM, BASICALLY WHAT WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME IS THE SAME.

I'VE GOT THE SAME PRESENTATION UP AND I'VE KEPT IT ALL KIND OF THE SAME UNTIL WE A FEW SLIDES AT THE END.

AGAIN, JUST RE THE OLD ORDINANCE.

UH, WE'D COME BACK TO THE COMMITTEE REQUESTING, UM, A MODIFICATION TO THE SIDEWALK ORDINANCE THAT WE HAD LEFT SOME INFORMATION OUT.

AND THE PREVIOUS, UM, ORDINANCE WAS ACTUALLY STATING THAT COMMERCIAL, UH, INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES, APARTMENTS, ET CETERA, ARE NOT ELIGIBLE AS WELL AS SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES WERE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE, UH, CITY'S COST SHARE PROGRAM FOR THE SIDEWALKS.

IT WAS STRICTLY RE UH, RESTRICTED TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

UM, WITH THAT IN JULY, 2020, WE ADOPTED, WE WENT THROUGH THE, UM, UH, INFORMATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND APPROVED BY COUNCIL FOR THE ADDITIONAL REDUCTIONS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS.

AND THEN IT WAS ALSO SUGGESTED AT THE NEXT, FOR THIS MEETING THAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN THE CITY, PARTICIPATING WITH THE REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT OF SIDEWALKS, NOT ONLY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, BUT ALSO FOR COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL CHURCHES AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS, ET CETERA.

SO WHAT I DID IN HERE IS I ACTUALLY HAVE A, UM, LET ME SEE IF I CAN DRAG THIS OVER AND HOPEFULLY Y'ALL CAN, Y'ALL SEE THE PHOTO THERE.

OKAY.

UM, WE HAD A REQUEST PROBABLY THIS IS PROBABLY ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO FROM EAST SIDE CHURCH OF CHRIST DOWN OFF OF MILLER AND FIRST STREET.

AND THEY WERE WANTING TO, UM, REPAIR A NUMBER OF THEIR SIDEWALKS ON ALL THREE OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT ARE PART OF THEIR, UM, CAMPUS, IF YOU WILL.

AND IN DOING SO, WHAT WE DID IS THERE'S ABOUT 1,737 LINEAR FEET OF SIDEWALK.

THAT'S JUST ROUGH ESTIMATE.

OVER THE THREE BLOCKS.

WE ASSUMED HALF THE SIDEWALKS, JUST FOR CALCULATION PURPOSES, HALF THE SIDEWALKS WOULD BE HAZARDOUS.

SO ABOUT 800, I BELIEVE IS 868, UM, LINEAR FEET.

AND I'M GOING TO ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT HERE, SO YOU CAN SEE OUR CALCULATION SHEETS.

SO WE WENT THROUGH AND JUST KIND OF DID A, A, UM, PRELIMINARY ESTIMATE ON THIS, JUST TO SEE WHAT THE COSTS WOULD BE AND WHERE THEY 168 LINEAR FEET.

IT WOULD BE ABOUT $90, A SQUARE YARD, 34,000.

WE ADDED A FEW TREES IN THERE FOR TREE REMOVAL OR TREE ROOT REMOVAL, AND THEN AS WELL AS BORROW DELIVERED, FILL DIRT SUBSIDENCE, OR SETTLING, AS WELL AS, UM, UH, STARTING ALONG BOTH SIDES, UM, WHERE YOU'D BE PUTTING THE FILL IN.

AND SO TOTAL COSTS WOULD, UM, IN THIS SCENARIO WOULD BE $36,820.

AND THEN THE CITY'S COST.

UM, IF WE PARTICIPATED AT 10%, UM, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE, UH, PERCENTAGES SUGGESTED AT THE LAST MEETING WOULD BE $3,682.

SO, UM, THE COST OF

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THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE CHURCH AT THIS POINT WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST AROUND, YOU KNOW, $32,000 STILL.

SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE I WANTED TO GO WITH THIS.

AS FAR AS TO SHOW YOU KIND OF AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN.

AND THEN, SO BASED ON THAT, UM, POSSIBILITY OF MODIFYING THAT CODE, THE CODE OF ORDINANCES WOULD BE TO ADD THE SECTION THREE, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME A MONTH AGO TO INCLUDE SIDEWALK REPAIRS AND PARTICIPATION WITH DEVELOPER AS AN ANGEL PROPERTY AT 50% AND ACCORDANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE THAT WE ADOPTED LAST YEAR IN SECTION NINE, AND THEN NON-RESIDENTIAL, UM, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL CHURCHES, PRIVATE SCHOOLS, ETC.

WOULD BE 10% CITY PARTICIPATION, NOT TO EXCEED 25,000.

AND THEN OF COURSE, INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND SAY IT CAN, UM, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN TAXING ENTITY ENTITY.

THEY WOULD BE, UM, NON PARTICIPATION BY THE CITY IN THAT CASE.

SO THAT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION IF THE COMMITTEE WERE TO WANT TO GO THIS ROUTE, NOW WE, THIS 10% COULD BE MODIFIED.

UM, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IS BASED ON THAT CALCULATION, I WOULD SAY THAT HOW MUCH WOULD WE TRULY GET IN PARTICIPATION? I DON'T KNOW, FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT, UM, THE LARGER, THE QUANTITY OF SIDEWALK THAT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED, A LOT OF THESE PROPERTY OWNERS CAN GET PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT BETTER PRICE.

THERE'S A CONVENIENCE FACTOR WITH OUR, WITH OUR SIDEWALK PROGRAM THAT WE GET A BONDED CONTRACTOR.

WE HAVE A TWO YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND, A LOT OF PROPERTY OWNERS DON'T GET THAT TO YOUR MAINTENANCE BOND WITH WHEN THEY CONTRACTED THEMSELVES.

SO THEY MAY GET A PRICE BREAK ON SOME OF THAT.

SO LONG STORY SHORT, WOULD THEY PARTICIPATE OR COULD THEY PROBABLY GET THIS A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER IF THEY WERE TO CONTRACT IT THEMSELVES, EVEN WITH THE CITY'S PARTICIPATION? THE ANSWER IS PROBABLY YES ON THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY, IF WE WOULD STILL GET A LOT OF PARTICIPATION FROM THE COMMERCIAL OR CHURCHES OR THAT TYPE OF THING.

SO WITH THAT, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

I KNOW I WENT THROUGH THAT PRETTY QUICKLY.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT Y'ALL HAD REQUESTED FOR THIS TIME.

IS THERE ANYTHING Y'ALL WOULD LIKE ME TO BRING BACK UP ON THE SCREEN AND DISCUSSED? YEAH.

UM, UH, I REMEMBER US LOOKING AT THE 10% AND I REMEMBER, UH, JARED HAD AN IDEA LAST TIME ON, YOU KNOW, UH, I WASN'T, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR YOU, JERRY, BUT IT WAS A, IT WAS A HIGHER PERCENTAGE, BUT IT WAS BASED ON WHATEVER WE HAD LEFTOVER AND THE HOPPER AFTER THE, AFTER THE RESIDENTIAL STUFF WAS CLEARED.

AND DID WE HAVE ANY ANALYSIS OR DISCUSSION AROUND THAT THAT WE WANTED TO DO? DO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY MONEY LEFTOVER AT THE END OF THE YEAR? UH, WELL, AND THEN I HAVE THE INFORMATION HERE AS FAR AS WHAT WE BUDGETED FOR, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT DIDN'T COME UP LAST, LAST TIME WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS, BUT FOR THE SIDEWALK PARTICIPATION PROGRAM FOR, UM, 20, 21 THIS YEAR, WE HAVE WE'VE BUDGETED 600 IN CONSTRUCTION WISE, WE BUCKETED AT $624,000.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE EXPENDITURES ON THAT.

I DO KNOW THAT WE DO, WE HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTING A NUMBER OF, OF SIDEWALKS WERE, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF AN IN LIMBO.

UM, I BELIEVE IN TRYING TO GET THAT TRANSITIONED OVER TO THE STREET DEPARTMENT, I BELIEVE.

UM, STEVE UPDATED THE COUNCIL ON THAT.

UM, ONE OF THE LAST COUNCIL MEETINGS, I BELIEVE IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE'RE STILL TRYING GET THAT TRANSITIONED OVER TO THEIR DEPARTMENT.

BUT AS FAR AS EXPENDITURES, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF A LOT OF THEM COMING IN AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE ARE WORKING ON A NUMBER OF THEM, BUT I THINK STEVE MADE A COMMENT AT OUR LAST MEETING THAT THERE WAS, HE WAS GETTING ANYWHERE FROM FIVE TO 10 REQUESTS A WEEK AND IN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE AT AND EVALUATING ALL OF THOSE.

GOTCHA.

I THINK MY, IF I HAD TO SUMMARIZE MY GOAL FOR THIS WHOLE PROGRAM, IT'S I WANT EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE HAVE IN THE PROGRAM CONVERTED INTO SIDEWALK SOMEWHERE.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO GET IT THERE WITHOUT OVER-COMMITTING.

SO, YOU KNOW, I WANT THE RESIDENTIAL TO TAKE PRIORITY, BUT WHATEVER WE GOT LEFT OVER, I'D LOVE TO SINK IT INTO A COMMERCIAL OR EVEN IF WE HAVE TO GO SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES JUST TO GET IT ON THE GROUND.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? RIGHT, RIGHT.

THAT'S ALL I GOT.

GO AHEAD.

RICH.

NO, I HEAR YOU ON THAT.

I, I THINK THE DEMAND IS THERE AND WILL BE THERE A LOT OF, FROM THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, PARTICULARLY WHEN PEOPLE START TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE COST SHARE MIGHT

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ONLY BE 10 OR 20 OR 30% FOR THEM AS OPPOSED TO 50%.

SO I THINK THE DEMAND WILL BE THERE.

I THINK A LOT OF THIS IS GOING TO BE ABOUT GETTING THE PROGRAM FULLY, SEND, READY TO GO, AND THEN REALLY PUTTING THE WORD OUT.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, IT'S NOT TERRIBLY UNLIKE THE, UM, THE HOME IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE FOR ONCE WE REALLY GET THE WORD OUT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN REALLY WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAY, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY HAD AD REQUESTS THAT COVERED ALL THAT THEY HAD BUDGETED OR THAT WE HAD BUDGETED FOR THEM FOR IT.

SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH THIS SPECIFIC POLICY WITH, WELL, WHAT IF THERE'S MONEY LEFT OVER? YEAH, MY THOUGHT IS THAT IF WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE, HEY, THERE'S MONEY LEFT OVER, UM, AND IT'S NOT BEING UTILIZED AS THEN, THEN, THEN I THINK WE'D SIT DOWN AND SAY, OKAY, WELL, WHERE DOES THIS, WHERE'S THIS MONEY GO? IS IT, YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED TO CHANGE UP THE PROGRAM TO PUMP UP MORE DEMAND OR DO WE, DO WE CHANGE THE PERCENTAGES ON THE INDUSTRIAL AND, AND WHATNOT.

ALTHOUGH I DO, I AGREE WITH, UH, AT LEAST STARTING OUT AT 10% AND SEE WHAT KIND OF DEMAND THAT GENERATES, UH, FROM THE NON-RESIDENTIAL SECTOR.

AND THEN WE CAN ADJUST THAT AS WE GO.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR US TO INVEST IN THAT, TO ENCOURAGE THAT.

I MEAN, THERE'S AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE THAT THE CITY SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SIDEWALKS.

UM, SO I DON'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, I DON'T MIND PUTTING SOME WORDS THE NON-RESIDENTIAL PIECE AND PLUS WE HAVE RESIDENTS WHO DO USE THOSE NON-RESIDENTIAL SIDEWALKS TO GET PLACES AND GET AROUND.

SO I, I, I THINK WE NEED TO JUMP IN ON THAT AS WELL.

UM, I'VE GOT A QUESTION.

UM, THE CAN RICH, UM, MICHAEL DOES, UH, HAVE WE EVER LOOKED AT, UH, HOW WE MIGHT, I THINK KIND OF JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THE THOUGHT HERE, MAYBE HAVING A HIGHER DEMAND, OR EVEN AT THE POINT OF A HAVING THINGS LEFT OVER, YOU KNOW, CAUSE I'M LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, I'M GOING TO GET THE MONEY ON THE GROUND TOO.

AND, AND I'M JUST HAPPENED TO BE IN THE CAR AND I'M DRIVING BY DRIVING DOWN JUST WHEN JOYCE AS AN EXAMPLE, AND THERE ARE MANY SIDEWALKS, THERE ARE SIDEWALKS AT PARALLEL WIND JOYCE THAT AREN'T PARTICULARLY, UH, CONNECTED TO A RESIDENTIAL LOT, BUT ARE DEFINITELY A PUBLIC SIDEWALK.

AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF ANY OF THE OPPORTUNITY, IF WE HAD FUNDS TO USE THEM TO ADDRESS AREAS THAT MIGHT HAVE SIDEWALKS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH A RESIDENTIAL LOT, BUT DEFINITELY A PUBLIC SIDEWALK, UH, PARALLELING OF PUBLIC STREET.

AND, UH, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE SOME OF THOSE.

I KNOW SOMETIMES THEY GET TIED IN TO STREET REPAIR AND CURB AND SIDEWALKS GET REPLACED, BUT MANY TIMES NOT.

SO, UM, THAT'S AN AREA WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT AS WELL.

AND DIDN'T KNOW IF WE HAD EVER CONSIDERED LOOKING AT THOSE KINDS OF SIDEWALKS AS WELL.

UH, YES SIR.

COUNCILMAN, WE HAVE, UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY WRITTEN INTO THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED BY THE COUNCIL BACK IN JULY, IS THAT, UM, UM, THE SIDEWALKS, ESPECIALLY AGAINST RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE THE SCREENING WALLS, THERE'S REALLY NOT A PROPERTY ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN GO ASSESS, UH, AS FAR AS A SIDEWALK.

SO THE CITY HAS TAKEN OWNERSHIP OF THOSE, AND THOSE ARE ON A COMPLAINT DRIVEN BASIS THAT IF WE GET ONE REPORT WE'RE NOT ACTIVELY SEEKING TO GO OUT AND LOOK FOR THEM, WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO THAT.

BUT AS, AS A SUBDIVISION, UM, THE ONE I CAN THINK OF RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IS OVER THERE OFF OF COUNTRY CLUB, UH, BETWEEN CENTERVILLE AND IN MILLER, THERE WAS A SUBDIVISION IN THERE AND THEY HAD A BUNCH OF SIDEWALKS THAT WERE SUBSIDING AND THEY HAD ABOUT THREE OR FOUR, FOUR INCH IN DIFFERENTIAL IN THERE A FEW YEARS AGO.

AND WE ACTUALLY WENT IN AND REPLACED THOSE SIDEWALKS AND JUST HAZARD RESECTIONS.

BUT YES, THE SUBDIVISION HOA CALLED US AND SAID, HEY, WE HAVE A PROBLEM OUT HERE.

AND WHEN WE GOT OUT THERE AND FIX THOSE AT NO COST TO THE HOA OR THE RESIDENTS OF THE SUBDIVISION THAT HAS WRITTEN INTO THE ORDINANCE.

YES, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

UM, YEAH, I D I JUST, UH, WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN WHAT ABOUT AREAS THAT, UH, ON STREETS, NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, AND THIS MAY GET INTO A LOT MORE THAN WE WANT TO GET INTO WITH THE TITLE AND THE DEEDS AND ALL THAT, BUT, UH, WHERE THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS IN FRONT OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSING, UH, THAT, UH, WOULD BE, WOULD THOSE BE CONSIDERED AN OPPORTUNITY TO PAIR UP WITH A RESIDENT, BUT

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KIND OF DOESN'T MAKE SENSE UNLESS WE DO THEM ALL THE WAY DOWN THE STREET IN THAT REGARD.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S BEEN HANDLED WELL, AND I WILL SAY, UM, WELL, IN YOUR DISTRICT, COUNCILMAN, I DO KNOW OF AN AREA WHERE WE KIND OF GOT INTO THAT DISCUSSION WITH SOME PROPERTY OWNERS.

AND WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON BOB TOWN ROAD YEARS AGO, UH, THAT WAS ONE OF MY PROJECTS.

AND RIGHT THERE ON KELSO, WE TURNED THE SIDEWALK AND STARTED HEADING INTO THE SUBDIVISION.

AND WE ENDED IT AT THE END OF ALL OF OUR PAVING UTILITY OR PAVING AREA.

AND WE HAD THE PROPERTY OWNER CAME OUT THERE IMMEDIATELY AFTER WE FORMED UP THE SIDEWALK.

I SAID, YOU CAN'T POUR THE SIDEWALK.

AND WE SAID, WELL, IT'S UNSTEADY RIGHT AWAY.

WE WERE JUST THINKING THAT EVENTUALLY WE'LL, WE'LL PUT SIDEWALKS IN THE SUBDIVISION THERE'S DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT THAT WILL NOT ALLOW SIDEWALKS TO BE CONSTRUCTED IN THEIR SUBDIVISION.

IT'S ACTUALLY WRITTEN INTO THEIR DEED RESTRICTIONS WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY APPLY TO THAT.

SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT JUST ASSUMING THAT WE CAN GO PUT IN SIDEWALKS AND ONCE A MONTH TYPE OF THING.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS, UM, OVER, UH, STEVE WE'RE ONLINE WITH THIS.

UM, HE HAD ONE OVER ROCK CREEK OVER HERE, RIGHT ACROSS THE CREEK FROM US.

AND THEY REPAIRED, THEY, THEY WERE REPLACING THE STREET OUT THERE ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, AND THEY WANTED TO PUT THE SIDEWALKS IN, THEY TALKED TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT NONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WANTED THEM.

SO THEY DIDN'T PUT THEM IN.

I MEAN, NONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WANTED THEM, SO THEY DIDN'T PUT THEM IN AT THAT TIME.

SO THEY, I THINK IT WAS THREE DEPARTMENTS ACTIVELY LOOKING OR SEEKING OPPORTUNITIES TO PUT SIDEWALKS IN WHERE THEY DON'T EXIST TODAY IN RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR STEVE, BUT I BELIEVE THEY ARE.

YEAH.

OKAY.

WELL, THANKS.

THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT RIGHT NOW, JUST TO, JUST TO JUMP ON THAT, BECAUSE THIS, THE BUCKET OF MONEY THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE BOND IS, IS ACTUALLY KIND OF A COLLECTION OF TWO BUCKETS.

WE CALL APPS THOSE, AND IT INCLUDES MONEY FOR REPLACEMENT AND REPAIR, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES MONEY FOR NEW SIDEWALKS, WHICH I THINK WE HAD PROVIDED THE GUIDANCE THAT WE WANTED STAFF TO FIND AREAS TO PUT NEW SIDEWALKS TO REPAIR.

SO I'VE WATCHED OVER ON SOME OF THESE ARTERIALS AND OTHER PLACES LIKE THAT AS FOR NEIGHBORHOODS.

I MEAN, UM, YOU KNOW, MY NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT, MY STREET DOES NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS, AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE, WHEN MY DAUGHTER ELLIE LEARNED WHAT IT MEANT TO BE ON CITY COUNCIL.

THAT WAS HER FIRST COUNCIL REQUEST WAS LET'S GET SIDEWALKS ON THE STREET.

SO I'VE COMPLETELY FAILED WITH THAT.

BUT, UM, AND, AND, AND I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF THE WOMEN, SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA, AND SOME OF THEM WANT TO KEEP COUNTRY FEEL, UH, AS THEY PUT IT HAVING THE BARGES.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT A POLICY.

I THINK IT'S BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'VE GOT TODAY, BUT AT SOME POINT I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT ACROSS THE CITY? DO WE, BECAUSE I THINK WHEN WE DO THESE BIG DRAINAGE PROJECTS AND OTHER THINGS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO REDO EVERYTHING YOU SHOULD PROBABLY PUT IN, YOU CAN PUT IN SIDEWALKS.

UM, OF COURSE IT'S EASY FOR ME TO SAY ON THIS STREET, CAUSE I'LL BE OFF COUNCIL IN A YEAR.

UM, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S POLICY PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT MAYBE THE COMMITTEE COULD LOOK AT AND, AND CREATE POLICY THAT WE DO PUT IN SIDEWALKS, AT LEAST ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.

UM, WE'RE LOOKING, I THINK, LESS AND LESS AT THESE AS, AS AMENITIES AND MORE AS, YOU KNOW, REAL MOBILITY ISSUES.

AND WE'RE PUTTING, FOR EXAMPLE, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO OUR PARKS AND PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE A WAY TO GET THERE, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, UM, BUT BEYOND THAT, I, I, I THINK THESE CHANGES, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY LOOK GOOD TO EVERYBODY READY TO SEND THIS UP TO THE COUNCIL.

MR. NICKERSON, DOES THAT SOUND GOOD TO YOU? I'LL TAKE THAT AS A YES.

FROM JERRY.

AND WITH THAT, LET'S GO AHEAD.

I AM GOOD WITH IT.

GO AHEAD.

OKAY.

THANKS.

SURE.

AS AMI, SO LET'S SEND UP THE, AS WE'VE CURRENTLY GOT IT ON THE, ON THE SIDEWALKS, THE CHANGES TO COUNCIL, UH, FOR THEM TO LOOK AT, SEE IF WE GET THE ORDINANCE CHANGED AND THEN, UM, MAYBE WE'LL PUT A I'LL PUT SIDEWALK POLICY OR SOMETHING IN FOR THE, UH, FOR THE COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER GOING FORWARD.

AND WITH THAT, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SIDE AND WHICH ACTUALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE PREVIOUS ITEM, BUT I DID NOT HAVE THE AGENDA IN FRONT OF ME AT THE TIME, WHICH IS TO CONTINUE DISCUSSION ON THE TYPES OF INAPPROPRIATE USE OF, FOR VARIOUS FOR CONTROL DEVICES.

WELL, I DON'T HAVE THE PRESENTATION PULLED UP EXTENDED TWICE NOW, SO I FIGURED ONE TO WATCH IT AGAIN.

BUT, UM, I KNOW LAST TIME WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, I WAS GOING

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TO SUMMARIZE A LITTLE BIT, I, I, I KNOW THE COUNTY, THE, THE COMMITTEE HAS TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

I MEAN, THE MAIN THING I THINK WAS, WAS REALLY RELATED TO THE, UM, THE PLACEMENT OF THEM, WHERE THERE ARE, THERE ARE STREET HUMPS, AND IS THAT APPROPRIATE FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND SOME OF THE EFFECTS OF THOSE AND ALONG THOSE LINES, I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE POSSIBILITY TO COLLECT YOUR CLAIMS AND ELIGIBILITY, UM, AS A POSSIBILITY.

AND THEN, UH, THE OTHER, THE OTHER ISSUE I KNOW THAT THEY CAN COME UP WAS JUST THE ISSUE OF THE, AND SHOULD THAT BE PRORATED OR REDUCED OR HOW TO HANDLE THAT.

SO, UH, I KNOW THAT'S THE THINGS THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS TALKED ABOUT.

I DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHAT, UM, HOW TO, WHAT TO DO MOVING FORWARD.

SO I'LL JUST, I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE COMMITTEE.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'D ALSO TALKED ABOUT WAS CHANGING THE METHODOLOGY FOR DETERMINING ELIGIBILITY AND, AND WHETHER, IF WE DID SOME KIND OF SPEED TESTING OR NECESSITY TESTING THAT WE WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO MAYBE CHANGE KIND OF THE FORMULA FUNDING OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, WORRIED ABOUT THE PROLIFERATION OF, OF SPEED BUMPS AND THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE.

I FORWARDED, I THINK I FORWARDED TO YOU PAUL, UM, WHEN I WAS DOING SOME RESEARCH ON THIS AND I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T GET IT OUT TO THE ENTIRE TOWN, UH, TO, TO EVERYBODY.

UM, BUT IT'S, THE CITY OF AUSTIN HAS TAKEN THE POSITION THAT, UM, THAT TRAFFIC CALMING IS, UH, IS A SYDNEY OBLIGATION.

AND THEY HAVE A MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE SET OF POLICIES TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT TO PUT IN, UH, TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES.

AND, UM, AND THEN WHEN THEY DO THERE'S, THERE'S PRE STUDIES AND POST STUDIES AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF, AND MAYBE IT'S TOO COMPLICATED FOR US, BUT I THINK IT'S MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT IN TERMS OF THAT.

AND CANDIDLY, UH, I THINK IT WAS JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO.

I THINK CHIEF LEE ACTUALLY HAD KIND OF THE BEST IDEA.

UH, SO I'LL GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO JUMP IN WITH THAT CHIEF AND MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE NUTTY, HE DOESN'T WANT YOU TO WANT TO THIS CHIEF, PLEASE, PLEASE IDEA, WHICH IS THE CONCEPT OF TEMPORARY CALMING DEVICES.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S BEEN, I LOOKED AROUND THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF AN ANCILLARY RESEARCH ON THIS, WHICH WOULD BE WHAT IF WE PUT TOGETHER A PROGRAM THAT INVOLVED, UM, THAT INVOLVED TEMPORARY DEVICES, TEMPORARY SPEED, HUMPS, AND SPEED TABLES THAT CAN BE DEPLOYED, BUT THAT CAN ALSO BE REMOVED, UH, AND YOU CAN ROTATE THEM ON SOME KIND OF BASIS.

THERE'S SOME STUDIES THAT SAY THAT THESE DEVICES DO HAVE, UH, A KNOCK ON LONG, LONGER TERM EFFECTS THAT EVEN ONCE YOU TAKE THEM AWAY, TRAFFIC SPEEDS REMAIN CALM FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME.

UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GETTING INTO TOO BIG OF A PROGRAM FOR US OR NOT.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO GET, AND I APOLOGIZE THAT I HAD A CHANCE TO SPEND ALL THIS STUFF AROUND OR THESE THOUGHTS AROUND, BUT, UM, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU COULD DO IS, IS IN MAYBE JUST DO THIS AS KIND OF A PILOT STUDY TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY REAL BENEFITS TO THIS.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AUSTIN DOES FOR IS THEY DO SPEED STUDIES BEFORE THEY PUT A, UH, TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICE AND THEY DO SPEED STUDIES ON THE STREET IN QUESTION AND THE ADJACENT STREET.

SO THEY HAVE A BASELINE TO DETERMINE IF TRAFFIC IS MOVING ON TO THESE OTHER STREETS, ONCE YOU PUT THE SPEED HUMP IN AND WHAT EFFECT THAT IS, YOU COULD DEPLOY THESE SPEED HUMPS ACROSS THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN PUT THREE, YOU CAN PUT THEM ON THE ADJACENT STREETS.

UM, AND THEN I THINK THAT YOU CAN ALSO START LOOKING AT WHERE WE DO HAVE AMONG COLLECTORS PLACES LIKE GLENBROOK.

I ACTUALLY GOT A RE A SUGGESTION FROM A, UH, A CONSTITUENT YESTERDAY THAT WE PUT, PUT SPEED HUMPS ON SATURN, UM, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE A VERY BAD IDEA, UH, BUT PUT ON GLENBROOK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE THESE SPEED HUMPS THAT, THAT FOLKS ARE, ARE, HAVE A LOT OF AFFINITY FOR.

AND I DON'T, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN, PERHAPS, UH, MAYBE LESS THAN THE USE OF THAT.

UM, CHIEF, DO YOU HAVE ANY, YOU'D SEND SOMETHING AROUND EARLIER ABOUT THE, KIND OF THE EFFECT IT HAS ON OUR TIMES AND WHATNOT.

I THINK GLENBROOK PRESENTS AN A, WE HAVE A LOT OF STREETS IN THERE, WHITE THAT THESE KINDS OF COLLECTORS GLENBROOK IS AN INTERESTING EXAMPLE OF THAT.

JUST I THINK BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION KIND OF EQUAL DISTANCE FROM STATIONS, YOU KNOW,

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TWO AND NINE AND, UH, IN ONE, YES, SIR.

IT'S THE, THE COLLECTOR STREETS OR, OR ONE OF THE GREATEST CONCERNS, UH, ON SLOWING DOWN APPARATUS WHEAT, WE CALCULATE THAT IT ADDS ABOUT NINE SECONDS PER HOP FOR A UNIT TO TRAVEL A ROAD THAT HAS SPEED HOPS OR SPEED TABLES ON THEM.

UM, THE, UM, THE IDEAL AND THE TEMPORARY WAS, I THINK IT'S, JEFF CAN PROBABLY SPEAK MORE INTELLIGENTLY TO THIS, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESOURCE OFFICERS THAT WE TEND TO MOVE CRIME, WE DON'T ALWAYS SOLVE CRIME.

UH, IT'S KIND OF THE SAME THING WITH, WITH TRAFFIC.

THE CARS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B, AND THEY'RE GOING TO FIND THE, THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE.

SO IF WE ADD RESISTANCE IN ONE SPOT, WE SHOULD ANTICIPATE MEETING THIS RESISTANCE IN ANOTHER SPOT AT SOME POINT IN TIME AS WELL, BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO FLOW TO THAT AREA.

AND PAUL, THIS HAS BEEN GETTING INTO YOUR LANE IF YOU WILL, AS WELL.

UM, I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND ALL OF IT.

OTHER THAN THAT, THE FIRE TRUCKS, UM, WHEN THEY GO TO BROOKDALE, UH, SENIOR LIVING FACILITIES, THEY TAKE A MUCH LONGER ROUTE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE SPEED BOPS ON A COUNTRY CLUB, WHICH IS THE SHORTEST ROUTE FOR THEM TO GET THERE.

BUT IT'S NOT THE MOST EFFICIENT ROUTE.

IT'S HARD ON THE EQUIPMENT.

IT'S HARD ON THE PATIENTS ONCE THEY'RE LOADED INTO THE AMBULANCE.

UH, SO THEY, THEY TEND TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER ROUTE TO, TO THE SAME DESTINATION.

SO COLLECTOR STREETS, BAD IDEA FOR TRAFFIC CALMING, SUCH AS SPEED BUMPS, SPEED, HUMPS, AND SPEED TABLES.

UM, YOU KNOW, I LIKE PAUL'S IDEAS ON THE CHICANES, UH, PORTLAND FIRE DEPARTMENT, PORTLAND, OREGON, UH, DID SOME STUDIES WHERE THEY PUT A HALF WITH BOB WITH A SIMULATED MEDIAN, AND I KEEP RIGHT SIGN FOR NORMAL TRAFFIC TO FORCE THEM OVER OVER THE HALF MOP.

THE OTHER HALF OF THE BUMP WAS ABOUT 40 FEET UP THE ROAD, AND IT ALLOWS THE FIRETRUCKS TO TRAVEL THE WRONG DISC GROWN DIRECTION OF TRAVEL AND CROSS INTO, UH, BETWEEN THE TWO HALF BOPS.

SO THEY, THEY, THEY DON'T MAINTAIN FULL SPEED OBVIOUSLY, BUT THEY CAN TRAVERSE THAT SHE CAME FASTER THAN WHAT THEY CAN GOING OVER A SPEED HUMP OR A SPEED TABLE.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS OUT THERE, UH, RESIDENTIAL STREETS, I THINK YOU'RE ONTO SOMETHING WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STUDY IT, SEE IF THERE'S AN ISSUE ON THAT STREET BEFORE WE EVER STARTED AND SEE WHAT THE SURROUNDING AREA IS AS WELL.

SO WE CAN SEE WHEN WE MOVE THE PROBLEM OR DID WE ACTUALLY SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

UM, BUT YEAH, OUR OWN STUDY ON MARQUIS, UH, WE HAD AN ENGINE TRAVEL 2000 FEET, UH, ACROSS THREE HUMPS AND IT ADDED A PAPER HERE.

IT ADDED, UM, 26.97 SECONDS, UH, GOING OVER THOSE THREE HUMPS MARQUIS.

SO, UH, IT IS A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON EMERGENCY RESPONSE TIMES COMFORT FOR PATIENTS.

AND THOSE ARE MUSCULOSKELETAL ISSUES WHEN THEY ALSO, EVEN IN A PASSENGER VEHICLE, TRAVELING OVER THIS HOUSE, MY EXPERIENCED DISCOMFORT, HEY, AND THAT'S IN OUR RESPONSE TIME IS PREFERRED.

WHAT FIVE MINUTES IS THAT OUR TARGET AVERAGE RIGHT NOW, OUR GOAL IS ABOUT FIVE MINUTES AND FIVE SECONDS, I BELIEVE IS OUR GOAL.

UH, OUR CURRENT RESPONSE TIMES LAST TIME I LOOKED WERE ABOUT FIVE 40 ON AVERAGE FOR ALL INCIDENTS.

OKAY.

I GUESS MY POINT THERE IS THAT THE TIME MATTERS, PARTICULARLY ON, ON SOME OF THESE, UH, HEART ATTACK CASES AND WHATNOT.

WE LOOK AT THE SURVIVAL RATES OR HEART ATTACK CASES.

UM, YOU KNOW, 30 SECONDS IS SUBSTANTIAL.

AND THEN WITH THESE COLLECTORS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SPRITE BECAUSE THEY'RE MAJOR ROUTES FOR THE, UM, FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO GET INTO THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFECTING HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS, IT'S NOT A THOUSAND TO CARESSES.

YES, SIR.

OKAY.

WE CAN CERTAINLY DO, UH, WE'LL DO WHAT THE COUNCIL DIRECTS, BUT, UM, TO, TO DO MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, AS FAR AS TRAFFIC STUDIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE WOULD NEED MORE STAFF TO DO IT.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT GETS, IT

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GETS, IT GETS VERY INVOLVED, VERY FAST, UM, YOU KNOW, DEAL WITH THEIR HEADS AND GROUPS OF PEOPLE.

SO TO DO MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE NOW IS GOING TO TAKE MORE, MORE, MORE PEOPLE TO GET THAT DONE.

AND, AND TO BE HONEST, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO END UP PUTTING IT WITH A DIFFERENT ANSWER THAN WHAT WE'RE GETTING RIGHT NOW.

SO I, I THINK I AGREE WITH THE CHIEF AS FAR AS COLLECTOR STREETS.

I MEAN, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT EQUALLY COULD ELIMINATE FROM THE, FROM THE ELIGIBILITY LIST.

UM, THE ISSUE I THINK I SEE WITH THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF STREETS NOW THAT ARE, HAVE THEM HAVE THEM RIGHT NOW THAT ARE COLLECTOR STREETS.

AND SO AS, AS NEW THE STREETS COME UP, THAT PEOPLE COLLECT YOUR STREETS, THAT PEOPLE WANT THEM ON IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE TELL THOSE PEOPLE, OTHER THAN THOSE JUST, WE DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA ANYMORE, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU GO FORWARD WITH THAT, BUT I, I DON'T, I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THAT'S, THAT'S AN ISSUE.

YEP.

YEAH.

UM, SO I'M STILL REALLY, REALLY INTERESTED IN THE TEMPORARY PROGRAM, THE TEMPORARY HOMES.

I MEAN, WE, I DON'T KNOW, PAUL AND I TALKED ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EFFECTIVENESS OF PUTTING A, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, THE RADAR SPEED SIGNS OUT AND HE'S, HE'S DONE IT FOR US.

AND, AND ONE OF MY AREAS THAT HELPED QUITE A BIT FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS, UH, OUT ON APOLLO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ASSIGNED SITTING OUT THERE AND, UH, IT MADE ME CHECK MY SPEED AND SLOW DOWN TOO, BECAUSE I REALIZED I WAS SPEEDING THROUGH THAT AREA.

AND SO I STARTED THINKING ABOUT IT MORE BECAUSE I'M TRYING NOT TO HIT SMALL CHILDREN AND IT'S ALWAYS A GOAL, BUT, UH, I THOUGHT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, IF WE'RE ABLE TO ROLL OUT THESE TEMPORARY SPEED HUMPS ALONG WITH THE, THE SPEED SIGNS THAT YOU GUYS PUT OUT IN AN AREA, YOU KNOW, SEE IF WE GET THAT, THAT LASTING RELIEF BASED ON THE RESEARCH THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT AND, AND GO FROM THERE.

I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A VERY SMALL INVESTMENT, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST SHOPPING FOR TEMPORARY SPEED HUMPS.

IT'S LESS THAN A THOUSAND BUCKS ON GOOGLE.

SO WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT A HUGE COMMITMENT, EVEN IF SOMEBODY WALKS AWAY WITH THEM FOR WHATEVER REASON.

UM, AND JUST SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME RELIEF TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT MAKING THAT LONG-TERM COMMITMENT.

I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, IT, IT, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE A CHEAP AND EASY WAY TO TRY IT OUT.

SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SOME POLICY THAT, THAT INVOLVED THOSE, THOSE TEMPORARY, UM, I JUST DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT WAY TO CODIFY THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS ARE, IF YOU'RE TAKING THE SPEED TRAILER OUT THERE ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, LAYING DOWN A TEMPORARY SPEED HUMP, HOPEFULLY THAT'S NOT TOO MUCH OF AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN ON STAFF.

ALTHOUGH, UH, PAUL, YOU CAN BLINK TWICE HEAVILY IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET MORE STAFF OUT OF THIS, AND I WON'T SAY ANYTHING TO MR. BRADFORD.

SO THAT WAS A DOUBLE BLINK.

ALL RIGHT, GOT IT.

GOT IT FOR THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE.

THAT'S ALL I GOT.

IF I COULD JUST SAY IN WEST TEXAS, WE JUST THROW A DEAD ARM REAL, UH, IN THE STREET.

AND THAT SEEMS TO WORK JUST FINE.

SO THERE YOU GO.

I'M NOT TOUCHING THAT ONE BACK TO YOU.

HOPEFULLY PETER WON'T BE WATCHING ANY OF THIS.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD A THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, OVER HERE WHERE I LIVE IN THE AREA WHERE THAT COUNTRY CLUB IS, AND WE'VE HAD THE SPEED BUMPS ON IT.

AND HONESTLY, UM, THEY, I, I'M SURE THEY HAVE WORKED TO SOME DEGREE BEFORE, BUT, UH, I SEE PEOPLE NOW BOTH HITTING THEM PRETTY HARD AND THEY'RE CONTINUING TO GO THROUGH THEM.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH EFFECTIVENESS THERE REALLY ARE.

AND THEN THEY GO BETWEEN THEM PRETTY FAST AS WELL, AS SOON AS THEY HIT ONE.

UM, AND THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO ASK PAUL PAUL, I SAID, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE GET THESE REQUESTS FOR SPEED BUMPS AND SOME GUY GOES OUT AND BROW BEATS, 80% OF THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE, UH, ROAD, UH, THAT HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT TO SIGN THEM, SIGN THE PETITION.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE MAKE A COMMITMENT AND THEN MAKE A COMMENT.

WE PUT A BUNCH OF BUMPS IN, BUT, UH, IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG BEFORE YOU START HEARING FROM PEOPLE AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, W WHO PUT THESE BUMPS IN? WE DON'T LIKE THEM.

THEY MAY, PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THEM IS DEUCE.

IT SEEMS SOMETIME WOULD THERE BE A WAY TO, IN CASE WE GET A REQUEST LIKE THAT, THAT WE MAYBE SHOULD DO A SPEED STUDY AT THAT POINT TO SET A BASELINE IS, IS RICHARD MENTIONED.

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BUT, UH, AND THEN DETERMINE THAT WHAT YOU'RE FINDING MIGHT BE, IT MIGHT INDICATE THAT, YEAH, WE HAVE A PROBLEM, BUT IT'S REALLY FOR ONLY MAYBE ONE HOUR IN THE MORNING AND ONE HOUR IN THE EVENING WHEN THE MOMS ARE RUSHING TO GET THE KIDS ACROSS TOWN, TO THE SCHOOL OF CHOICE, WHICH IS WHAT EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS OVER HERE.

UH, AND THEN THE REST OF THE DAY.

IT'S FINE.

UM, AND THEN I'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE OTHER CITIZENS HERE THAT SAID, YEAH, WE USED TO HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WHEN ALL OF OUR KIDS WERE TEENAGERS.

AND NOW THAT WE'RE OLDER, THEY'RE GONE AND WE DON'T HAVE THE SPEED MEME THAT WE USED TO HAVE.

SO, BUT YET THE HUMPS STILL REMAIN AND PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THEM A LITTLE MORE AND MORE.

I THINK, I THINK THERE OUGHT TO BE SOMETHING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS, HEY, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SPEED BUMPS AND THEY, THEY GET THE PETITION IN THE PETITION IN MIGHT OUGHT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THE CITY WILL DO A SPEED STUDY, YOU KNOW, AT FIRST AND GIVE THE PETITIONERS THE RESULTS AND, UH, PRESENT THE RESULTS AND DISCUSS WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS.

AND THE PROS AND CONS OF A SPEED BUMP BEFORE MAYBE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NEXT STEP, BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT USE THOSE STREETS THAT REALLY AREN'T MAYBE LIVING.

AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SMALL RESIDENTIAL STREETS.

I'M TALKING ABOUT STREETS THAT REALLY HANDLE A LITTLE MORE TRAFFIC ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS, UM, THAN JUST A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET.

I DON'T KNOW, JUST A THOUGHT, BECAUSE I REALLY FEEL LIKE THERE'S THIS MANY PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIKE THEM AS DO, AND, UH, THEY BECOME PROBLEMATIC IN THE LONG RUN.

SO YEAH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE, I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO KNOW EXACTLY HOW WE WENT DOWN TO THE OFFICIALS SURVEY.

I KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE THERE AND THEY JUST DRIVE THROUGH, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DON'T LIKE THEM OBVIOUSLY.

CAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT AFFECTS THE MOST.

YEAH.

THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE STREET.

UM, GENERALLY, LIKE ON MY THING I WENT, WE COULD DO IS, UM, THERE IS ALSO A PROVISION IN THE, UM, POLICY THAT IF 80% OF THE PEOPLE DECIDE THAT THEY DON'T WANT THEM ANYMORE.

UM, AND I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

UM, WHAT WE COULD DO KIND OF ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, I MEAN, WE COULD DO A SPEECH, JUST A, WE CAN DO A SPEECH STUDY WITH TUBES.

THAT'S, IT'S A FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND EASY THING TO DO.

AND WE COULD INCLUDE THAT VERBIAGE ON THE SURVEY THAT GOES OUT TO PEOPLE HAVE TO SIGN SO THEY COULD SEE WHAT THE ACTUAL NUMBERS ARE OF, YOU KNOW, THE SPEED LIMIT IS 30 AND THE ACTUAL 85TH PERCENTILE SPEED IS, IS 31 OR 29 OR 34, OR IT PRETTY MUCH STAYS RIGHT AROUND THERE.

SO WE COULD INCLUDE THAT ON THE SURVEY THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SIGN AND THEN THEY'D HAVE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION THAN JUST THEIR OWN PERCEPTION OR WHAT SOMEBODY'S TELLING THEM, YOU KNOW, ON THAT PIECE.

I'D BE OKAY WITH MAKING THAT A REQUIREMENT THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING THAT EXCEEDS, I THINK ALL, I THINK AUSTIN'S, UM, IS LIKE, YOU HAVE TO HATE, IT HAS TO BE LIKE 15% OF THE TRAFFIC IS EXCEEDING THE, THE LIMITER.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS BY SOME PERCENTAGE AMOUNT OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BASED ON A SPEED STUDY BEFORE THEY'LL CONSIDER THEM.

UH, I THINK PEOPLE AS A GENERAL RULE HAVE VARIABLE CAPABILITY TO ACTUALLY ASSESS THE SPEED OF A MOVING VEHICLE.

UM, MAYBE I'M WRONG ABOUT THAT.

JEFF PROBABLY HAS JEFF PROBABLY GOT A BETTER VIEW OF THAT, BUT WHEN PEOPLE ARE LIKE, OH MY GOD, THEY'RE GOING A HUNDRED MILES AN HOUR ON SATURN.

AND IT'S LIKE, AH, NO, ACTUALLY WE'RE OKAY.

UM, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? OH, WELL, I'LL THROW IN THERE TOO.

ON THE, ON THE SPACE STUDY IS IN A LOT OF TIMES WHAT WE SEE AND JUST IN TALKING WITH THE PERSON THAT'S COMPLAINING IS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE GOING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING 90 MILES AN HOUR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND YOU, AND YOU DO THE SPEED STUDY THAT SHOWS THERE YOU'RE THE AVERAGE OR THE 85TH PERCENTILE.

IT'S 25 MILES AN HOUR.

AND THEN YOU, BUT, BUT IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE DATA AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU DO A COUPLE OF COUPLE OF DAYS OR A WEEK, THERE, THERE MAY VERY WELL BE ONE CAR THAT'S THAT IS GOING 60 MILES AN HOUR DOWN THAT STREET.

AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT THEY'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT.

AND IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE.

I MEAN, THE POLICE CAN'T BE OUT THERE 24 HOURS A DAY TO CATCH THAT ONE PERSON.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW,

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IT'S, THAT'S, I THINK IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THAT PEOPLE HAVE, AND IT IS A REAL PROBLEM, BUT IT'S SUCH A RANDOM OCCURRENCE THAT, AND IT'S THE SPEED HUMPS REALLY DO STOP.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY CAN'T GO 60 DOWN THE STREET IT'S BEST BEING HOME.

SO ALTHOUGH IN MY EXPERIENCE AND WHAT I'VE TOLD PEOPLE IS IF YOU, THINGS ARE RANDOM IN SOME RESPECTS, BUT PEOPLE ARE CREATURES OF HABIT.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I, I HAD A GUY PRETTY MUCH EVERY DAY BETWEEN FIVE 30, FIVE AND FIVE 45, JUST FALLEN DOWN SATURN SPRINGS.

AND THAT WAS V THAT WAS EASY.

YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WAS SUPER EASY BECAUSE THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, INVITE, YOU KNOW, INVITE AN NPO OVER FOR COFFEE AT FIVE 30 AND, YOU KNOW, IT, IT ONLY TOOK MAYBE TWO DAYS FOR THAT PROBLEM TO BE FIXED.

AND WHICH IS LIKE A LOT OF, I MEAN, IT ONLY TAKES ONE PERSON, WHETHER IT'S SOMEBODY FIRING A GUN OR INTO THE AIR OR, OR SPEEDING OR WHATEVER.

AND SO MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AS KIND OF A COMBINED ARMS EFFORT OF HOW YOU ADDRESS IT.

YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE, IF WE HAVE A SPEED STUDY AND YOU RECEIVE THAT, IT'S FAIRLY TIME-RESTRICTED, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, AS, AS JERRY OR ROBERT, JOHN, I MENTIONED EARLIER, IF IT'S RESTRICTED TO AN HOUR BEFORE SCHOOL OR SOMETHING, THEN, YOU KNOW, THEN MAYBE SOMETHING WE CAN, WE CAN ADDRESS FROM, UH, FROM, UH, UH, UH, A POLICE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT.

OR MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF WE LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING THAT'S TEMPORARY, WE DO A TEMPORARY SPEED HUMPING YOU'RE ROTATED OUT.

AND THEN THREE WEEKS AFTER THAT, YOU PUT ONE OF OUR MOTORCYCLE GUYS OUT THERE FOR A COUPLE HOURS OR WHATEVER IT IS.

I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF STAFFING AND OTHER KINDS OF QUESTIONS THERE TO ALL OF THIS, BUT, BUT I THINK AT SOME LEVEL WE NEED TO CONSIDER IT.

I THINK FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE, SPEEDING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEAR ABOUT VERY FREQUENTLY, AT LEAST IT'S WHAT I HEAR ABOUT.

UM, AND SO IF SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M SURE I'M SURE JEFF, YOU COULD ADD, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER 10 TRAFFIC OFFICERS IN, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH OF A DENT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I SEE THEM ALMOST EVERY DAY WHEN I TAKE MY KIDS TO SCHOOL UP BY SPRING CREEK, WHICH IS GREAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU GO, YOU, A LOT OF TIMES YOU GO OVER JUST REPEATING IT.

BUT I THINK, UH, UH, SOME KIND OF, OF SPEECH STUDY TYPE REQUIREMENT, MY GUIDE US A LITTLE BETTER.

AND I THINK THAT PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

IT'S LIKE, WELL, HERE'S THE PROBLEM THAT YOU'RE HAVING.

AND HERE ARE THE POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS TO IT.

HERE'S WHAT WE CAN DO.

UM, ANY THOUGHTS ON, ON, ON THE COLLECTORS? I LIKED THE CHIEF'S IDEA.

IF WE CAN EITHER GO TO CHICANE, I THINK FOR COLLECTORS, YOU COULD, MAYBE YOU COULD PUT OFF, OR, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST TO A CERTAIN CLASS TO THE STREET, YOU COULD SAY, WELL, YOU CAN GET THESE HALF SPEED BUMPS WITH, WITH MEDIUMS OR SOME OTHER THING THAT'S MORE SUITABLE FOR THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

AND I COULD SELL, I MEAN, I, I WOULD NOT HAVE ANY ISSUE AT ALL, PULLING OUT SPEED BUMPS ON GLENBROOK.

IF WE WENT TO THIS KIND OF HALF PROGRAM, UM, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONSIDER AS WELL, JUST TO IMPROVE RESPONSE TIMES.

BUT I DO REALIZE THAT ALL OF IT TAKES, AND MAYBE YOU DO NEED, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER, SOME MORE PEOPLE, PAUL.

I MEAN, I COULD, I, YOU KNOW, GOD KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO MY SPINE LAST WEEK WHEN I WENT OVER SOME SPEED BUMPS OVER IN DISTRICT TWO, THAT WAS THE EXACT COLOR AS THE, AND WE JUST HAVE, WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO STRIPE IN THE CITY.

SO MAYBE YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE DOING MORE STRIPING IN LAYING OUT SPEED BUMPS AND DOING OTHER STUFF.

I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK I'D WANT TO LOOK AT THE, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE HALF-SPEED HUB.

I THINK I'D WANT TO LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE FURTHER TO SEE WHAT THE, WHAT THE RESEARCH SHOWS.

YEAH.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND JUST QUICKLY, I LIKED THE IDEA OF MAYBE HAVING A MOBILE, TEMPORARY SETUP, BUT TIE IT TO A RADAR AS WELL.

AND THIS, I THINK, SPOT CHECKING IN PEOPLE, SEEING IT BEING CHECK PERIODICALLY, IT DOES A LOT.

I THINK IT DOES A LOT TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE THAT THERE MAY BE A SPEED PROBLEM.

AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR TICKETING FOLKS THAT ARE CONTINUALLY DOING IT.

UH, I THINK THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA, BUT I ALSO LIKED THE IDEA OF TRYING TO LOOK AT THESE NEW MEANS OF, OF, UH, OF, UH, TRYING TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN, BUT NOT INHIBIT THE SAFETY VEHICLES.

I MEAN, THAT'S NOT, UH, I THINK PAUL Y'ALL DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH ON THAT AND COME

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BACK TO THE COMMITTEE AT SOME POINT ON WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT, UH, THAT'S BEING DONE IN OTHER CITIES THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY KIND OF THOUGHT ABOUT YET.

AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

I MEAN, UM, TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AS PART OF WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING, UH, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S SOME VALUE THERE AND WHAT, AND THEN I WOULDN'T BE AT ALL AGAINST IT FROM MY VIEWPOINT TO, TO MAKE AN INVESTMENT IN A SYSTEM LIKE THAT.

AND LET'S PUT IT OUT ON ONE OF THESE HIGHWAYS THAT RICH WANTS TO STAND OUT THERE AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S IN LINE THERE.

I'LL, I'LL GIVE IT TO RICHARD TO DO THAT.

BUT, UM, BUT NO, I, NO, NO, NO JOKE.

I THINK THAT'S NOT A BAD OPTION OPPORTUNITY TO, TO EXPAND OUR HORIZON ON WHAT TECHNIQUES ARE OUT THERE NOW AND TECHNOLOGY TO HELP US.

THEY MAY, WE MAY FIND THAT THE SPEED BUMPS OF REALLY WE COULD DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BETTER, UH, AND, UM, KEEP OUR TRAFFIC FLOW WHERE WE NEEDED FROM AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE STANDPOINT.

SO I THINK WHOEVER COMES ON THE COMMITTEE NEXT, UH, HERE SHORTLY, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, UH, I THINK THE, COMMITTEE'S GOT A OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT SOME, SOME FUTURE THINGS THAT MIGHT HELP US HERE.

I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA.

YEAH.

I, I THINK THE ONE THING I WANT TO WALK AWAY FROM THIS WITH IS, IS DEFINITELY TO YOUR POINT, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, IS WE NEED TO RE UH, AMEND WHATEVER WE HAVE TODAY TO REQUIRE THE SPEED STUDY PRIOR TO IMPLEMENTATION THE SPEECH STREET HOMES.

I'VE ACTUALLY WATCHED A FAMILY MEMBER GO OUTSIDE AND YELL AT A CAR FOR SPEEDING DOWN THE STREET WHEN IT WAS OBVIOUS TO ME THAT THEY WEREN'T SPEEDING AT ALL.

AND SO THAT, THAT RESIDENTIAL PERCEPTION, UH, I THINK GOES A LONG WAY, UH, AND, AND MAKING THESE THINGS PROLIFERATE.

SO I DEFINITELY WANT TO INCLUDE THE SPEED STUDY IS AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE CURRENT PROGRAM.

UH, EVEN IF WE BRING IN NEW NEW OPTIONS, WHETHER THEY BE PORTABLE OR TEMPORARY OR WHATEVER.

SO, UH, I, I'M WORRIED THAT IF WE HAVE A BIG COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP CHANGE UP IN THIS NEXT SESSION, THAT WE MAY LOSE A LOT OF THE MOMENTUM WE'VE GAINED HERE.

AND SO I'M HOPING WE CAN AT LEAST COME OUT WITH A COUPLE OF A COUPLE OF CHANGES TO COUNCIL, EVEN IF WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THIS, IT'S ALL I GOT.

THANKS.

WE CAN OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN, CERTAINLY GO TO COUNCIL WITH, WITH ANYTHING, BUT WE COULD, WE COULD ADD THE SPACE STUDY, I THINK, WITHOUT CHANGING THE POLICY NECESSARILY THAT'S IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GIVEN, WHAT WOULD BE THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH? UM, I THINK WE TALKED LAST TIME.

THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH DOING SPEED STUDIES ON THESE, THE SPACE, THE SPACE, THE ACTUAL SPEED STUDY IS DONE BY AN OUTSIDE FIRM.

NOW IT'S JUST SAW OUR COST IS I THINK $220 FOR A SPEEDSTER ROAD ROAD, 24 SPEED STUDY.

IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM PUTTING THE, IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT PUTTING THE TUBES OUT? OKAY, WELL, I THINK THE INVESTMENT THAT WE WOULD BE MAKING, UH, IN THAT STUDY, UM, WILL GO A LONG WAY FOR PROVIDING CITIZENS THAT ARE CONCERNED A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION.

THEY MIGHT BACK AWAY FROM SOME OF IT, UH, IF THEY SEE THOSE NUMBERS, UM, WHICH THEN, YOU KNOW, CUTS OUR SHARE OF THE COST OF A SPEED BUMP AND CERTAINLY WOULD PAY FOR THE COST OF A SPEED STUDY PRETTY QUICKLY.

SO I, I LIKED THE IDEA OF MAKING THAT A POLICY SORT OF, UH, WHEN WE GET A REQUEST TO COME IN THERE AND SET IT UP.

AND THEN I THINK THE SYSTEMS WOULD APPRECIATE IT TOO, WITH MORE INFORMATION.

CAUSE I TELL YOU, WHENEVER YOU, YOU HAVE, UH, SOMEONE THAT'S OUT THERE TO GET 80% OF THE VOTES THAT THAT PERSON NORMALLY, UH, IS WELL KNOWN IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND PEOPLE WILL TEND TO FOLLOW ALONG, UH, WITH THAT, UH, TO AVOID ANY, ANY CONFLICT.

AND IN SOME CASES, UH, I THINK THAT THEY HAD INFORMATION THEY COULD KIND OF TURN TO, UH, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY REALLY WANT TO DO THAT.

AND SOMETIMES I THINK THAT THAT'D BE A GOOD THING TOO.

SO, BUT MORE THAN THAT, I THINK IT'S JUST A NECESSARY PIECE OF DATA THAT WOULD HELP OUR CITIZENS AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND AND, AND MAKE SURE THEY REALLY WANT TO DO SOMETHING WHEN MAYBE THAT PROBLEM ISN'T IS A GREATER ISSUE AS THEY CAN SOMETIMES GET THE IMPRESSION.

WELL, I LIKE IT.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF DOING THAT.

I I'D BE IN FAVOR OF IT.

OKAY.

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WHAT COMMITTEE, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO THEN? DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SEND AT LEAST THOSE PIECE OF IT UP WITH THE CHANGE TO REQUIRE A SPEED STUDY BEFOREHAND? DO WE WANT TO PUT ANY PARAMETERS ON THAT WITH REGARD TO, WHERE DO WE WANT STAFF TO LOOK AT PUTTING SOME PARAMETERS ON THAT, THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME MINIMUM LEVEL OF SPEEDING? OR DO WE WANT STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME MINIMUM LEVEL BEFORE WE'LL DO SPEED BUMPS? DO YOU WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT AUSTIN DOES OR DO YOU WANT TO, I KIND OF LIKED THE IDEA OF COMING BACK WITH THEM MINIMUM KIND OF A MINIMUM MAXIMUM, SO TO SPEAK.

UM, I MEAN, OF WHA WHAT IS THE SPEED LEVEL THAT WOULD REALLY, UH, JUSTIFY AND IMPROVE THE SITUATION? YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? I THINK THE STAFF COULD HELP US THERE AND COME BACK, BUT THOSE THINGS AS PART OF THE POLICY, AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE NOTED SOMEWHERE IN THE PROGRAM, UH, WHEN THEY, WHEN A CITIZEN WANTS TO GO AND, OR SPEED BUMP PETITION, THERE SHOULD BE DOCUMENTATION AT THAT PROGRAM LEVEL IN WITH THE FORM AND THE APPLICATION TO, UH, SO THAT THEY, THAT HAS TO BE ATTACHED TO THE PETITION AS WELL WHEN HE GOES AND RUNS IT.

OKAY.

AND THEN FOR NOW, UM, ARE WE AGREED? NO, NO SPEED HUMPS ON, I DON'T HAVE THE, THE STREET DESIGNATIONS.

I JUST CALL THEM COLLECTORS OR WE AGREED ON NO DEBT UNTIL WE COME ALONG ELIGIBLE.

YEAH.

I'M SORRY.

WHAT'S THAT PAUL RIGHT NOW TYPE TIME G AND F THOROUGHFARE PLAN ARE BOTH ELIGIBLE THEN.

SO YOU WOULD BE AS THE COLLECTOR STREET.

SO THAT'S THE ONE YOU PROBABLY WANT TO ELIMINATE.

YEAH.

THAT'S WHEN THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS TYPE G WHAT GLENBROOK IS PLAN BROKER OR GLEN BRUH.

I MEAN, GLEN RUG, PATRICIA, UM, THOSE ARE ALL TYPE F TYPE D IS REALLY, HERE'S A FEW STREETS THAT REALLY AREN'T GONNA LOOK ANY DIFFERENT THAN, UH, ANY OTHER RESIDENTIAL STREETS THAT ARE DESIGNATED AS TYPE G THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE COLLECTOR STREET, BUT THEY'RE NOT, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T ELIMINATE AND CHEESE, BUT OKAY.

WOULD THAT BE, WOULD THAT BE LIKE COUNTRY CLUB PAUL LIKE COUNTRY CLUB.

YEAH, RIGHT.

YEAH.

YEAH.

COUNTRY CLUB IS A G AND HALF.

UM, MY THOUGHT IS TO REPORT THAT OUT TO COUNCIL, THE FULL COUNCIL AS FOR NOW NONE ON TYPE F AND ABOVE AS THE POLICY.

UM, BUT THAT WE'LL LOOK AT WHAT TO DO ABOUT EXISTING AND POSSIBLY FUTURE ONES WITH THESE OTHER, YOU KNOW, IF WE'VE GOT A RECOMMENDATION OR A COST ASSOCIATED WITH REPLACING THOSE SPEED HUMPS WITH THE KIND OF HALF PUMP SET THAT CHIEF LEE WAS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE BRING THAT TO COUNCIL AT THAT SAME TIME.

BUT IF NOT, IF WE NEED TO WAIT ON THAT, I'M FINE.

OR IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT OTHER THINGS IN THE MEANTIME, AND WE'LL BRING THAT UP LATER, THAT'S FINE TOO.

BUT WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO GET, UH, GET THE RESPONSE TIMES IMPROVED FOR OUR GUYS BY NOT HAVING TO INFER OUR CITIZENS, NOT HAVING TO GO OVER SPEED HUMPS ON COUNTRY CLUB, RIGHT.

IN GLEN BROKEN ON OTHER PLACES.

I MEAN, WE WERE MORE TALKING ABOUT SAVING ACTUAL LIVES HERE.

I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ELIMINATE TAKING HIM OFF OF STREETS THAT ARE, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT DOING IS, IS FREE AF REPLACING THE CURRENT FULL STREET BUMPS WITH SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH EITHER SOMETHING LIKE CHICANES OR SOMETHING LIKE CHIEF LEE WAS TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU HAVE THE HALF BUMP IN THE MEDIAN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT WOULD NOT, THAT THAT WOULD BE BETTER.

OR I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SOME OTHER PREFERRED CONCEPT CHIEF THAT I'D LOVE TO HEAR IT, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, I'VE EMAILED PAUL A COUPLE OF DOCUMENTS THAT, UH, SHOW THE DESIGN STANDARDS ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

ONE IS ALSO A RAISED MEDIAN IN HIS PART OF THE HOP THAT, UH, IS SET TO WHERE THE FIRETRUCKS DUAL REAR WHEELS CAN TRAVEL ON FLAT SURFACE, AS WELL AS THE FRONT AXLE.

AND WITH THE CENTER PORTION OF THE HOP, UM, IS HIGH ENOUGH THAT A, A VEHICLE WOULD DO SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE, UH, IF THEY HIT THAT PIECE OF IT.

SO I'VE SENT A COUPLE OF THOSE TO PAUL, FOR HIM TO LOOK AT AND PROVIDE HIS FEEDBACK ON.

SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO HELP HIM ANY WAY YOU CAN.

I'M HAPPY TO COME BACK ON THAT LATER THEN IF WE NEED TIME TO LOOK AT WHAT THOSE OPTIONS ARE.

UM, BUT I'M ALSO HAPPY.

PAUL,

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IF YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS REALLY THE ONE THAT MAYBE WE TALKED TO COUNCIL ABOUT THAT, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A WINNER FOR, FOR EVERYBODY, IF WE CAN IMPROVE, UM, THESE S STREETS A LITTLE BIT, AND MAYBE IN THAT PROCESS, I MEAN, COUNTRY CLUB IS THE WORST.

IT'S SCARY BECAUSE HE PUT THE SPEED BUMPS LIKE RIGHT AT THE STOP SIGNS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

IT'S CRAZY.

UM, BUT ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE THAT, I, I, I AGREE.

AND I, AND I DO WANT TO, I WANT, I NEED TO CLEAR MY STUFF, COUNTRY CLUB.

I'M NOT SURE HOW THE COUNTRY CLUB IS A G.

UM, I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY ONE.

THAT'S NOT AN APP THAT WE WERE AROUND.

UM, MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT I JUST, THE LAST TIME THAT WHEN, WHEN COUNTRY CLUB DOWN AND RE, UH, SURFACED ALL OF THE, ALL OF THEM OFF OF THERE, IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, TWO DAYS AFTER THE ASPHALT WAS, WAS, WAS PUT DOWN AND THEY HADN'T PUT THE PUMPS BACK YET.

AND WE WERE GETTING LOTS OF CALLS, LOTS OF CALLS SAYING, I MEAN, THEY WERE TERRIFIED THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO PUT THEM BACK.

SO I I'M, I'M JUST, I'M JUST CONCERNED IF WE DO ANYTHING DOWN THERE OTHER THAN ONCE THERE, IT'S GOING TO WRONG AND I HEAR ABOUT IT SO WELL, ACTUALLY, PAUL, I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT IT THAT MUCH ANYMORE.

I'M JUST KIDDING.

I'M JUST KIDDING.

FULL DISCLOSURE AS WELL.

MS. CHAIRMAN, ON THOSE HALF HOPS, IT DOES REQUIRE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT LENGTH OF ROADWAY WITH NO STREET PARKING WHATSOEVER SO THAT, UH, PEOPLE HAVE ROOM TO MOVE TO THE RIDE OR VEHICLES FOR US TO, TO TRAVERSE THE, THAT AREA.

IT'S, IT'S PRETTY GOOD SPAN THAT NOBODY CAN PARK, SO THAT TOO WILL BE MET WITH GREAT RESISTANCE FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT NEED STRAIGHT PARKING.

SO, WELL, MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT PIECE OF IT A LITTLE MORE, FURTHER, A LITTLE MORE DETAILED THAN WITH POTENTIALS ARE AND WHAT THE PLUSES AND MINUSES I'M GOING TO TALK.

I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN INTERESTING ON COUNTRY CLUBS, KEEP THOSE SPEED BUMPS OFF FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND ACTUALLY DO SOME SPEED TESTING AND SEE HOW LONG IT TOOK.

BUT I MEAN, YEAH, THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEBODY PARTICULARLY, AND I KNOW WE SAY THAT THE SPEEDING IS WORSE ON THE STRAIGHT ROADS, BUT PARTICULARLY WITH A LOT OF THESE FOLKS, YOUNGER GUYS, PARTICULAR IN THEIR NEW MUSCLE CARS, IT'S ON THE SHORT END, IT'S ON THE CURVY ROADS.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I GET.

I MEAN, THEY THINK THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY THINK THEY'RE DRIVING F1 OR SOMETHING.

UM, SO, UH, BUT THAT SAID I'M HAPPY TO, TO, TO PUT IT FORTH AND WHETHER IT'S EFFORT G I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, OFF HAND WHAT, UH, WHAT WOULD IT, WHAT OTHER STREETS ARE G SO, UM, BUT TO, BUT TO BAN HUMPS FOR NOW ON ABSENT ABOVE UNTIL WE FIND SOME OTHER SOLUTIONS, MAYBE WE'LL HAVE SOME STREETS WHERE WE COULD DO SOME OF THESE THINGS, BUT LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT THAT, I GUESS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.

UM, DO WE WANT TO DO ANYTHING ON THE PRICING? WE TALKED LAST TIME ABOUT CHANGING THE COST OF SPEED HUMPS.

I KNOW SOME OF YOU LAST TIME WHERE WE THOUGHT WE COULD REDUCE THAT, THAT PRICE, YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT A SLIDING SCALE WITH RESPECT TO HOW, HOW MUCH SPEEDING THERE IS, OR WHETHER IT CDBG.

UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HATE TO ADJUST THE PRICE BEFORE WE'VE REALLY SOLVED THE CORE POLICY, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO INFLUENCE PEOPLE TO DO MORE OF SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO OUTLAW.

SO I I'D PREFER THAT WE JUST WAIT ON THE PRICE QUESTION.

YEAH.

OKAY.

UM, BUT BEYOND THAT, I MEAN, I LIKE THE, THE REQUIREMENT OF THE SPEED STUDY.

I LIKED THE, UM, YOU KNOW, BANNING FUTURE TYPE F STREET HUMPS.

I'M NOT SAYING PROACTIVELY GO OUT AND SCRAPE THE OLD ONES.

UH, BUT WE CAN AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, JUST PAUSE AS A WHOLE FIGURE OUT THE POLICY, GET A NEW PATH GOING FORWARD.

AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN, UH, WE TRY TO TRY THE DIFFERENT TRAFFIC CALMING TECHS AND ADJUST THE PRICING AFTER WE'VE GOT THAT.

I THINK PRICING COMES LAST.

SOUNDS GOOD TO ME THAT ARE WITH YOU, JERRY.

THAT'S FINE.

ANY QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS OR CHANGES FROM STAFF ON THAT? ALL RIGHT, HERE WE ARE BACK AGAIN IS COUNSELING.

WHAT'S THAT?

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THAT'S IN THE NEXT COUNSELING.

YEAH.

IF WE CAN GET ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT WORK SESSION, THAT'D BE ALL.

OKAY.

IF THAT'S ENOUGH TIME FOR YOU TO KIND OF PUT TOGETHER WHAT WE NEED.

OKAY.

WELL, HERE WE ARE AT SIX O'CLOCK.

I DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE NOTHING TO DO.

I WANT YOU TO COME ALL THIS WAY FOR THE, LIKE THE SECOND OR THIRD MEETING IN THE ROW AND NOT BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THE FLOODING REMEDIATION PROGRAMS. UM, AND