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[Community Services Committee on June 8, 2021]

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THERE IT IS.

AND THIS IS, THIS IS JUNE 8TH, 2021.

AND THIS IS THE MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE.

UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

UM, I DON'T WANT ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM MARCH 9TH, 2021.

HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM? YES.

DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND? OKAY.

ALL IN FAVOR.

OKAY.

DONE.

ALL RIGHT.

ITEM TWO IS TO DISCUSS THE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY MATCHING GRANT LANDSCAPING POLICY, AND I COUCH IT.

ARE YOU HERE? AND INSTEAD OF SCOTT OR ALONG WITH SCOTT, I AM HERE, UM, ALONG THE RIDE WITH THIS DISCUSSION, BUT WE'LL BE LEADING THE NEXT ONE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION READY FROM NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY TO DISCUSS THE, UH, LANDSCAPING POLICY FOR GRANTS OR JED WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU GOING TO BE GOING OVER THAT? UM, I CAN, I CAN KIND OF TOUCH ON IT.

UM, I DID THINK SCOTT WAS GONNA, WAS GONNA JOIN IN HERE, SO WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR THAT.

SO I KNOW THERE'S BEEN, UH, DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST GO AHEAD AND KIND OF TALK ABOUT, INTRODUCE IT A LITTLE BIT, DEBORAH? OKAY.

NO.

IF, IF ALL OF US WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT SCOTT WAS GOING TO BE HEADING THIS OUT, IF WE BELIEVE HE, HE HAS, UM, I THINK HE RESPONDED THAT HE WAS COMING.

DO WE WANT, YOU KNOW WHAT, I WANTED TO DISCUSS THIS BEFORE WE GO ON TO REVIEW THE APPLICATION? SO SORRY, JEN.

YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND HEAD OUT, UH, LEAD OUT ON IT.

AND IF SCOTT SHOWS UP, WE CAN LET HIM.

ALL RIGHT.

SOUNDS GOOD.

UM, SO I THINK THE CORE ISSUE HERE IS, IS THE QUESTION ABOUT, UM, USING, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY GRANTS FOR, UH, LANDSCAPING.

UM, AND THE, I KNOW THAT THE HAS PROBABLY TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE AS HAS COUNCIL.

UM, REALLY THE, THE CORE ISSUE IS TWO-FOLD.

ONE IS, UM, DO WE WANT TO USE DOLLARS, ESPECIALLY BOND DOLLARS, UH, TO PAY FOR, UM, LANDSCAPING THAT DOES NOT LAST AS LONG AS THE, AS THE PAYMENTS ON THE, ON THE BOND DOLLARS.

AND SECOND PART IS, UM, REALLY JUST FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT, WHAT DOES COUNCIL WANT TO DO WITH, UH, WITH THESE DOLLARS, FOCUS IT ON SORT OF SHORT-TERM LANDSCAPING MATERIAL OR, UM, LOOK FOR LONG-TERM IMPROVEMENTS, SUCH AS HARDSCAPES, PAVEMENT, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE CORE ISSUE.

UM, FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE STANDPOINT, WE'RE ABLE TO REALLY MAKE EITHER WORK.

AND SO IT, IT, IT BOILS DOWN TO A POLICY QUESTION FOR COUNCIL.

IF, IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, THERE ARE, IF WE WANTED TO PAY FOR LANDSCAPING, THERE'S, THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT.

UM, THROUGH, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANTS, UM, ARE USING JUST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BOND DOLLARS, UH, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY GRANTS.

AND, UM, YOU, WE CAN FIND A WAY TO MAKE THAT WORK.

UM, THAT LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT WHEN WE'RE ISSUING BASICALLY TAXABLE DEBT VERSUS NON TAXABLE DEBT AND THAT SORT OF THING, BUT, UM, THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT.

SO IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, COUNSEL'S DESIRE.

AND, AND WHAT DOES, UH, WHAT DIRECTION DO WE WANT TO GO FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT? SO, UM, I THINK THAT KIND OF TOUCHES ON A LITTLE BIT OF IT, HAPPY TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS.

OF COURSE.

AND I, I SAW SCOTT A SECOND AGO.

WHO WAS HE ROAMING AROUND THERE? HE'S HAVING TROUBLE WITH THE LINK AS WELL.

YEAH, WELL, I'M ABLE TO GET IN, SO I THINK THIS WILL BE GOOD.

OKAY.

EXCELLENT.

OKAY.

WELL, WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR SCOTT TO FIND HIS WAY IN, UM, DO WE HAVE A COMMITTEE? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YOU WANT TO POSE TO, TO JUDGE JUST WITH HIS TWO POINTS RIGHT OFF THE BAT? I HAVE A QUESTION NECESSARILY MORE OF A COMMON IF I CAN WAIT TILL AFTER SCOTT HAS HIS REMARKS.

OKAY.

I WAS LOOKING TO SEE IF HE WAS ON THE NEXT SCREEN, BUT HE'S NOT.

NOPE.

YEAH.

IT WAS A PROBLEMATIC LINK THIS MORNING.

SO I WAS TALKING TO MIKAYLA 20 MINUTES BEFORE THE MEETING GOING, YOU KNOW WHAT? I DIDN'T GET A, MEET AN EMAIL WITH A LINK.

SO IN MY CALENDAR LINKS ALMOST NEVER WORK.

SO, BUT WE WORKED IT OUT WELL, DYLAN,

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WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND MAKE COMMENTS AND WE'LL CIRCLE BACK WHEN I'M SCOTT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOT TO MAY HAVE TO ADD TO IT BASED UPON WHAT JUDD SAID.

I'D RATHER, UH, IN MY OPINION, NOT, UH, NOT FUN LANDSCAPE TYPE PROJECTS.

GOSH, WE SAW WITH THIS MAJOR FREEZE WE HAD IN FEBRUARY, IT JUST WIPED OUT EVERY BUSH AND THE HOME DFW METROPLEX.

THEY'RE STILL, MY NEIGHBOR JUST HAD A TREE CUT DOWN JUST YESTERDAY OF A BIG MAGNOLIA TREE THAT WAS FROZEN, SOLID, AND NEVER CAME BACK.

SO I'D RATHER SEE THE POLICY CHANGE TO FUND MORE LONGER TERM ASSETS LIKE LANDSCAPING, SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. I KNOW THAT'S BEEN A BIG ISSUE IN SEVERAL OF MY DISTRICTS THAT THEY'VE INSTALLED SPRINKLER SYSTEMS THAT ARE IN MUCH NEEDED REPAIR.

AND THOSE LAST FAR LONGER THAN MAYBE A BUSH OR A SHRUB WOULD.

AND, UM, ALTHOUGH YOU CAN'T USE THE MONEY FOR AN SYSTEM, THEY'D LIKE TO SEE THAT SORT OF THING TO BE ADDED TO THE LIST RATHER THAN LANDSCAPING.

OKAY.

I SEE SCOTT IS HERE.

SCOTT, ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR US AND TURN ON YOUR VIDEO? WELL, WHILE WE WAIT ON HIM, I'LL JUST JUMP IN CONCUR WITH DYLAN, TO ME, BECAUSE PARTICULARLY BECAUSE WE'RE USING BOND FUNDS, I FEEL KIND OF GUIDED ALMOST BY, UH, HOW WE HANDLE, UH, WHAT WE PAY FOR IN OUR CAPITAL PROGRAM, IN, IN THE SENSE THAT IT SHOULD HAVE A LIFE, THE SHELF LIFE, SO TO SPEAK, OR A PLANT LIFE IS SOMETHING THAT'S MORE DURABLE AND MAYBE THAT IS HARDSCAPING, MAYBE THAT'S FENCES AND ROCKS AND STUFF.

UM, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SOFTER LANDSCAPING.

UM, NO, THAT'S JUST MY, THAT'S JUST MY TAKE ON, ON, ON THAT.

I, I WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT HOW WE HANDLE THINGS LIKE IRRIGATION AND OTHER STUFF.

IF THERE'S SOME LIMITATIONS WE HAVE THERE.

AND THAT WAS REALLY MY QUESTION WHEN SCOTT GETS UN-MUTED.

YES.

MA'AM.

ALL RIGHT.

SO BEHIND YOUR BACK, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE LANDSCAPING AND, UM, FUNDING, OR NOT FUNDING IT THROUGH THESE, UH, MATCHING GRANTS.

AND, UM, SO SPRINKLER SYSTEMS UNDER THE CURRENT PROGRAM, THEY CAN BE ADDED, BUT NOT REPAIRED.

IS THAT CORRECT? UH, THEY CANNOT BE REPAIRED OR UPGRADED, CORRECT.

SO ONLY NEW SYSTEMS CAN, CAN BE DONE.

THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

WHICH KIND OF, UM, RAISES A QUESTION IN MY MIND, IS THAT SOMETHING WE SHOULD TWEAK, I CAN CURVE AND YOU WEREN'T HERE, BUT, UM, BOTH RICH AND DYLAN SAID THAT THEY WOULD, UM, PREFER US TO USE THE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY GRANT FUNDING FOR DURABLE, LONG LASTING THINGS, RATHER THAN LANDSCAPES THAT DIE, WHICH WE JUST WATCHED HAPPENED IN FEBRUARY ALL OVER THE CITY.

SO, UM, IF WE'RE GONNA TWEAK THINGS, SPRINKLER SYSTEM, I GUESS THAT'S NOT TECHNICALLY PART OF WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING WITH, WITH A LANDSCAPING POLICY, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT MIGHT BE AN, UH, SOMETHING TO DISCUSS IN THE FUTURE ABOUT HAVING, UH, ADDING AN ABILITY TO, UM, UPGRADE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS AND NOT JUST ADD NEW ONES.

UM, SCOTT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD SEE AS BEING BENEFICIAL TO THESE APPLICATIONS, UM, UPGRADING AS FAR AS LIKE ABOVE GROUND TO, TO DRIP SYSTEM? OR WHAT DO WE MEAN BY UPGRADE? WELL, IT COULD BE ANY OF THOSE THINGS.

UM, YEAH.

THE, WHEN, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT, UH, WHEN COUNCIL TALKED ABOUT IT IN 2015, THE JUST THE GENERAL IDEA WAS THAT THAT FELL UNDER THE MAINTENANCE CATEGORY.

AND SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION AT THE TIME.

UM, THAT IS IRRIGATION SYSTEMS ARE DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT IS REQUESTED BY APPLICANTS.

UM, ALTHOUGH AS, AS YOU NOTED EARLIER, UM, IN OUR, OR IN AN EARLIER MEETING THAT, UM, UH, UM, PLACES WITH LIKE HOS FOR EXAMPLE, ARE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE IRRIGATION SYSTEMS THAN OTHERS.

THE NEW IRRIGATION

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SYSTEMS ARE ALREADY COVERED AND, AND ELIGIBLE UNDER THE GRANT TERMS AS IT EXISTS NOW.

YES.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO ME, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I MEAN, THIS, THIS WAS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND, AND I'M ABSOLUTELY IN AGREEMENT THAT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE SPENDING THESE DOLLARS ON, ON THINGS THAT DIE.

UM, SO DURABLE LONG-TERM, UM, HARDSCAPING OR, UM, OTHER THINGS THAT ARE PERMANENT AND THAT DON'T DIE IN A FREEZE.

SO, UM, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? OKAY.

WELL, COMMITTEE, DO YOU WANT TO, UH, SOMEBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION FOR US TO REPORT THIS OUT TO COUNCIL AS A RECOMMENDATION FOR JUST THE RECOMMENDATION IS MAINTAINING STATUS QUO, UM, AS LANDSCAPING IS NOT CURRENTLY AUTHORIZED, SO WE'LL JUST REPORT IT AS MAINTAINS CURRENT ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.

OKAY.

IT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'S QUITE THAT SIMPLE SCOTT BECAUSE IN OUR LANGUAGE, WE, I THINK CURRENTLY IT SAYS THAT IF CAN ONLY BE A MINOR PART OF THE OVERALL PROJECT, IS THAT CORRECT? I DON'T HAVE THE LANGUAGE IN FRONT OF ME, LANDSCAPING IN GENERAL IS ALLOWED, BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LIVE PLANT MATERIAL, UM, THE COST OF INSTALLING THE LIVE PLANT MATERIAL CANNOT EXCEED THE MATCH PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.

UH, OR IF IN THE CASE OF THE VOLUNTARY ASSOCIATIONS, THEY CAN'T EXCEED IT GENERALLY CAN'T EXCEED 10% OF THE, OF THE TOTAL, CORRECT.

THE CURRENT GUIDELINES ALLOW FOR LIVE PLANT MATERIAL ON A LIMITED BASIS.

I THINK WHAT I GUESS THE PART THAT I MISSED IS YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROPOSING TO SEND THE COUNCIL THAT LIVE PLANT MATERIAL, NOT BE ALLOWED AT ALL.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE, UH, DETERMINED.

AND THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS WE HAVE IT RIGHT NOW.

SO THIS, THIS IS, UH, A DISCUSSION, UM, PART OF WHAT I HAD WITH, WITH JUDD, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY CONCERNS WITH THE WAY IT IS CURRENTLY, UM, HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS THAT HAVE BIG CHECKBOOKS, UM, IF THEY'RE DOING A MATCHING GRANT AND THEY'RE PUTTING UP $20,000, THEN UNDER THE CURRENT THING THAT THEY COULD PUT IN $20,000 WHERE THE PLANT MATERIAL, AND WE WOULD SAY, WELL, IT'S UNDER THEIR HOUSE, BUT IF YOU HAVE A VOLUNTARY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WHO'S GETTING THE $10,000 MAX AND THEY DON'T MATCH IT, THEY GET ZERO ABILITY TO PUT IN PLANTS.

UM, BUT SINCE WE'RE MATCHING THOSE FUNDS, UM, I, UH, I AM INCLINED JUST TO SAY WITH THESE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY MATCHING GRANTS THAT WE DON'T, WE JUST DON'T ALLOW LIVE PLANT MATERIAL PERIOD, UM, AND NOT HAVE IT BE QUALIFIED BY THE AMOUNT THAT A CERTAIN ASSOCIATION IS ABLE, THEY'RE MATCHING THEY'RE MATCHING PART.

SO JUST TO BE REALLY CLEAR, UM, COMMITTEE, IS THAT, IS THAT A, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? ARE YOU GOOD WITH JUST SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO HAVE ORGANIC PLANT MATERIAL WILL BE PART OF THESE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY GRANTS? WELL, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THEY CAN'T COME IN LATER AND JUST DO IT ON THEIR OWN.

I MEAN, THEY CAN MAKE LANDSCAPING PART OF THE DESIGN ESSENTIALLY, BUT WITH THEIR OWN FUNDING, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

RICH, WHERE ARE YOU ON THAT? OKAY.

SO IS THAT EMOTION IN A SECOND? OKAY.

ALL IN FAVOR.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, SCOTT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE'RE GOING ON TO ITEM THREE, WHICH IS TO REVIEW THE SPRING 2021 NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY MATCHING GRANT APPLICATIONS, WHICH WE ALL SHOULD HAVE IN FRONT OF US.

AND SCOTT, ARE YOU GOING TO SCREEN SHARE AND WALK US THROUGH THIS? I'M GOING TO DO THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

UM, WHAT SCREEN TO SHARE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

HI EVERYBODY.

MY NAME IS KASHA AND I WILL BE PRESENTING THE FOUR APPLICATIONS FOR PROPOSED PROJECTS FOR THE MATCHING GRANT PROGRAM FOR SPRING 2021.

WE HAVE HERONS, A ESTATES AND NORTH LAKE ESTATES, BRENTWOOD VILLAGE AND SPRING PARK, SOUTH TO START, WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH HERONS BAY

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ESTATES.

THIS IS AN ENTRANCE ENHANCEMENT PROJECT, UM, THAT IS AT THE CORNER OF BLUE HERON AND ROSE HILL ROAD AT THE CORNER.

AND, UH, UH, SANDRA LANE AND ROSE HILL ROAD.

UM, TOTAL PROJECT COSTS.

MAX WILL BE 35,000 REQUESTING 28,000 WITH A 20% MATCH.

SO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS A VERY ACTIVE PARTICIPANT IN THE MATCHING GRANT PROGRAM.

SO THEY ONLY HAVE 29,000 FOR, WE ONLY HAVE $29,000 TO GIVE THEM BEFORE THEY REACH THEIR $100,000 MAXIMUM.

SO IF THEY GO OVER THE, THE 29 OR THE 29,000, THEN WE COULD NOT, UM, HELP THEM FUND ANYTHING ADDITIONAL OVER THAT.

SO, UM, THE COMMITTEE MIGHT REMEMBER THAT THEY CAME IN SPRING OF 2020 WITH A PROJECT PROPOSAL AND THE COMMITTEE REQUESTED, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND SOME, UM, JUST MORE INFORMATION AND THEY DECIDED TO CHANGE THE PROJECT DIRECTION.

AND SO THAT PROJECT WAS CANCELED AND Y'ALL DID NOT SEE IT AFTER THE COMMITTEE MEETING.

SO THEY ARE BACK WITH THEIR NEW PROPOSAL.

IT IS A TWO-PART PROJECT, OR BOTH OF THEIR ENTRANCES PROJECT AIM WILL BE TO INSTALL A MATCHING PONDLESS WATER FEATURE ACROSS FROM THE ROSE HILL AND BLUE HERON ADRIAN'S THEY WOULD LIKE TO COPY THE SAME HERON WATER FEATURE ON THE OTHER SIDE AND PROJECT FI IS TO INSTALL TWO PON, THIS WATERFALLS UNDER THE ENTRANCE AT THE SANDRA LEAN SIDE.

AND I HAVE A COUPLE OF PHOTOS OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE CURRENTLY.

THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOS.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE THIS HEROINE RIGHT HERE, THEY WANT TO COPY THAT I LOOKED UP HOW TO INSTALL PONDLESS WATERFALLS TODAY, AND IT WAS VERY INTERESTING AND ACTUALLY KIND OF COOL.

SO, UM, THESE ARE JUST SOME PHOTOS I GRABBED OFF OF GOOGLE.

THEY DON'T HAVE AN EXACT PHOTO OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE BECAUSE THIS SPACE IS LIMITED AND THERE ARE SOME HURDLES THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH IF APPROVED.

UM, I DON'T THINK IT WILL LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THIS, BUT I WANTED THE COMMITTEE, UM, TO SEE KIND OF WHAT, WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE.

YEAH.

IT INCLUDED SOME OF THE STAFF COMMENTS FROM THE SPRING 2020 PROPOSAL, AS A LOT OF THE COMMENTS ARE SIMILAR, UM, STATING THAT THEY NEED TO BE 7.5 FEET AWAY FROM THE WATER MAIN, UH, LICENSE AGREEMENT IS REQUIRED.

UM, THE ENTRANCES ARE BOTH HEAVILY IRRIGATED, SO THEY WILL NEED TO AVOID THOSE LINES WHEN INSTALLING THESE ON THIS WATER FEATURES.

AND FOR OFFICE OF NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY, ENTRY FEATURES ARE AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT UNDER THIS PROGRAM.

AND OF COURSE WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT ALL BUILDING PERMITS ARE OBTAINED.

AND FINALLY, AS I STATED BEFORE, BAY ESTATES IS A VERY ACTIVE PARTICIPANT IN THE MATCHING GRANT PROGRAM.

AND WE ACTUALLY ASSISTED THEM IN, UM, PRETTY MUCH WHAT THEIR ENTRANCES LOOK LIKE TODAY.

SO THERE IS SOME LANDSCAPING DIRECTLY UNDER THE HEARING SPACE, UH, STATES, UH, SIGNAGE THAT, UM, I KNOW ONB WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO KEEP AS MUCH AS THEY COULD.

AND AS WE PREVIOUSLY HAD DISCUSSED, UM, WITH OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, US FUNDING, THESE LANDSCAPING PROJECTS, AND THEN THEM SUDDENLY WANTING TO CHANGE THEM, UM, IS WORTH A DISCUSSION BECAUSE I WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO RIP OUT THE THINGS THAT WE HELPED FUND BACK IN 2016 AND 2018.

SO THAT CONCLUDES MY SUMMARY FOR HERONS BAY ESTATES.

AND I AM OPEN TO QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND TAKE DOWN THE SCREEN? WHICH SOMEBODY MAY HAVE YOU PUT IT RIGHT BACK UP BECAUSE WE LIKE TO DO THAT.

THERE WE GO.

THERE WE GO.

I CAN SEE PEOPLE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS.

TELL ME, I HAVE A QUESTION.

IS HERONS BAY AWARE OF ALL THESE ISSUES WITH IRRIGATION AND ENGINEERING EASEMENTS AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING? YES.

THEY WERE SHARED THE COMMENTS FROM STAFF.

OKAY.

SO THEY'LL HAVE TO WORK OUT THAT WITH THEIR CONTRACTOR THAT THEY'VE SELECTED TO AVOID THOSE MAINS.

AND, UH, WHEN THEY PULL THOSE PERMITS, I'M SURE ENGINEERING WILL LET THEM KNOW WHERE TO CONSTRUCT THE PONDLESS FEATURES TO WHERE THEY AVOID ALL LINES AND, OR REROUTE THE IRRIGATION.

OKAY.

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AND IF THEY'RE FINE IN KNOWING THAT THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL COSTS, OWNER RE DO THEIR IRRIGATION AND I'M FINE WITH IT.

YEAH.

ROBIN, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY.

UM, THIS LOOKS LIKE AN EXCITING PROJECT.

I LIKE IT.

SO I DON'T HAVE ANY HESITATIONS ABOUT IT.

UM, UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE DOES, DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THAT? OKAY.

ALL IN FAVOR.

ALRIGHT.

SO IT'S THE NEXT ONE? NORTH LAKE ESTATES.

OKAY.

NEXT IS NORTH LAKE ESTATES.

CRIMEWATCH THEY ARE WANTING TO INSTALL, SIGN TOPPERS, UH, AROUND THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY WOULD LIKE, UM, 58 SIGN TOPPERS.

AND THAT WOULD HAVE A TOTAL COST OF $4,112 BECAUSE THIS IS A CRIME WATCH.

WE WOULD BE REIMBURSING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE ENTIRE COST OF THE PROJECT, UM, ON THIS SCREEN IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE TOPPERS WOULD LOOK LIKE.

THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN OAK TREE AS THEIR ICON, SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE'S ABOUT 250 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AROUND THIS AREA.

AND SIGN TOPPERS ARE AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT UNDER THE MATCHING GRANT PROGRAM.

UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT THEY EITHER INCLUDE 60 SIGN TOPPERS OR, UM, 56, BECAUSE IF ONE IS DAMAGED, WE CAN REPLACE IT AND THEY CAN HAVE THAT READY TO GO AND TRANSPORTATION.

UM, LET ME MAKE TO THAT COMMENT, THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE A COUPLE EXTRA JUST IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS.

EITHER SOMEONE KNOCKS DOWN THE STOP SIGN OR GRAFFITI, OR JUST BEING PREPARED.

SO, UM, THAT IS UP TO, UM, Y'ALL'S DISCUSSION IF YOU WANT THEM TO HAVE 60 TOPPERS OR 56 TOPPERS.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY SUMMARY OF NORTH LAKE ESTATES, CRIME WATCH.

AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANKS.

WELL, YOU WERE QUICK THAT TIME.

I THINK QUESTIONS.

I'M ALL FOR THIS ONE.

I MOVED TO APPROVE THAT I CAN ONE FAVOR.

ALL RIGHT.

DONE.

YEAH.

I LOVE THE SAME SIGN TOPPERS.

THEY REALLY MAKE NEIGHBORHOODS LOOK BETTER.

AND SO DO WE NEED TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE 56 TOPPERS VERSUS 60? DO YOU NEED THAT INCLUDED IN OUR APPROVAL? THEY JUST HAVE TWO EXTRA AND OR TWO LESS.

YEAH, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THEM.

WE DON'T HAVE TO TELL THEM THAT.

OKAY.

THEY SHOULDN'T BOTHER THEM.

I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO BUY YOU TWO EXTRA SIGN TOPPERS.

NO, NO, PLEASE DON'T BUY A SECOND.

YAY.

BRENTWOOD VILLAGE.

IS THAT NEXT? OKAY.

NEXT IS BRENTWOOD VILLAGE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

THIS IS A LIGHTING ENHANCEMENT PROJECT AT AND AROUND 28 31 SOUTHERN CROSS DRIVE.

AND 28 32 NOVA DRIVE.

THE TOTAL PROJECT COST IS MAXIMUM OF 9,500 WITH A 10% MATCH.

UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE WILL BE PAYING 950 WHILE THE CITY WOULD BE PAYING 8,500.

THEY WOULD LIKE TO INSTALL TWO, UM, TWO LED GUARD LIGHTS AND OR PARKING LOT LIGHTS IN THERE TO HOA OWNED WALKWAYS THAT LEAD TO THE POOL AND THEIR PLAYGROUND.

CURRENTLY THEY HAVE, UM, A MIXTURE OF LIGHTING, UH, RECENTLY, UH, GPL INSTALLED SIX LIGHTS FOR THEM, AND THEY WOULD JUST LIKE TO ENHANCE SAFETY LIGHTING IN THESE WALKWAYS THAT ARE, UH, HEAVILY USED BY THEIR RESIDENTS TO GET TO THEIR SHARED AMENITIES.

HERE'S SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE'S ABOUT 270 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AROUND HERE AND, OR THEIR MAINTENANCE.

THESE LIGHT BULBS IN THE QUOTE WILL LAST ABOUT 100,000 HOURS BEFORE NEEDING TO BE REPLACED.

AND OF COURSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE REPLACING THOSE.

SO THE COMMENTS, THE BIGGEST COMMENT IS FROM, UM, GP AND L STATING THAT THEY WILL NOT BE PROVIDING LIGHTING BEYOND THE LIGHTING THAT THEY'VE ALREADY INSTALLED.

UM, THEY CAN PROVIDE INFORMATION TO HELP

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THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ENGINEERING STATED THAT THERE IS A SIX INCH WASTEWATER MAIN RUNNING THROUGH BOTH WALKWAYS WITH, UH, SEWER LATERALS, CONNECTING TO THE MAIN FROM THE BUILDINGS.

AND TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, YOU CAN, BUT LIGHTS IN A WASTEWATER MAIN, BUT THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL PERMITS AND OR RULES THAT THEY WILL NEED TO FOLLOW.

AND SO THE OPPOSITE OF NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY POSTED THAT SAFETY LIGHTING IS AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT.

HOWEVER, LIGHTING UPGRADES ARE NOT ELIGIBLE.

AND IF THERE ARE SOME ISSUES WITH THE LED LIGHTS, UM, I WAS GOING TO SEE WHAT THE COMMITTEE'S THOUGHTS WERE ON HAVING A SOLAR LIGHT PROJECT, SO THAT WALKWAY COULD BE, UM, SAFER FOR THE RESIDENTS, JUST MAYBE WITHOUT, UM, WITHOUT THE EXTENDED CONSTRUCTION OF THESE LED LIGHTS.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY SUMMARY OF BRENTWOOD VILLAGE.

AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THAT'S I HAVE A QUESTION.

IF YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST PAGE, THERE'S JUST A PICTURE OF THOSE TWO LIGHTS NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

ONE LOOKS LIKE A NEW GP AND L LED LIGHTS.

AND WHAT IS THE SECOND LIGHT THERE? THAT'S AT THE TYPE OF LIGHT THAT THOUGH THEY'D BE INSTALLING THAT SMALLER POLE LINE SUMMARY.

I HAVE THAT THE HOA HAS FOUR GARDEN LIGHTS ALREADY INSTALLED AT THE PLAYGROUND AND TWO IN THE PARKING LOT.

AND THE HOA RECENTLY PURCHASED SIX LIGHTS FROM G P AND L AND G P AND L COMPLETED THAT INSTALLATION.

AND WHEN I DID MY SITE VISIT, IT SEEMED LIKE THE, THERE WAS A LOT OF MIXING AND MATCHING OF DIFFERENT LIGHTING.

AND, UM, SO IT'S, IT'S NOT VERY UNIFORM OUT THERE, UH, WITH THE LIGHTING.

UM, BUT I COULD NOT TELL YOU WHICH LIGHT WAS GPL AND WHICH ONE WAS JUST THE HOA GUARD LIGHTS THAT THEY PURCHASED.

OKAY.

CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THE TALLER LIGHT IS OUR STANDARD LED LIGHT THAT WE INSTALL ON STREETS AND SO FORTH.

WOULD THESE LIGHTS THEN BE ON A SEPARATE METER? IT SOUNDS LIKE JP IS NOT GOING TO BE ON THE GPL CIRCUIT WHERE THE HOA WOULD BE THE ONE PAYING THE ELECTRIC BILL FOR THAT.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S HOW WE UNDERSTAND IT.

YES.

AND THIS I'D HAVE TO DIG TO GET EXACT DETAILS.

THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT I THINK HAPPENED WITH THOSE TWO LIGHTS TOGETHER, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS, UM, HAS BEEN LIGHTING PROJECTS IN THE PAST.

I THINK THEY'VE ACTUALLY MAYBE DONE NOT JUST THE ONE THAT CAUGHT YOU MENTIONED.

I THINK THERE WAS ONE EVEN PRIOR TO THAT.

SO I THINK IT WAS A CASE WHERE THEY INSTALLED ADDITIONAL LIGHTING AND THEN G P AND L CAME IN AND DID THEIR LIGHTING ON TOP OF THAT.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THAT, THE SITUATION IN THAT PICTURE.

UM, BUT YES, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE METERED THROUGH THE HOA.

OKAY.

AND, UM, AS YOU WERE TALKING, I'M PULLING UP D CAD, IS THAT AREA WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT BEHIND HOUSES? IS THAT A PUBLIC EASEMENT OR IS THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY THERE? THAT'S HOA PROPERTY.

OKAY.

MY OTHER CONCERN WOULD BE IF THEY PUT MINING BACK THERE AND WOULD IT MEAN SHIELDING FROM PREVENT AND GOING IN THE BACKYARDS OF THE, THE NEIGHBORS ALONG THAT STRETCH THERE? I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S, UH, IF SOMETHING, IF THEY'VE DISCUSSED WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS IN THAT AREA, LET'S FIND OUT .

I MEAN, FOR ANCIENT WAYS, WE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, IF, IF AN OFFICER IS, IS SIGNING AS THE APPLICANT AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE TO TAKE, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK THEM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'VE INCLUDED, UM, THOSE RESIDENTS IN, IN THIS, UH, IN THIS PROJECT.

YEAH.

I'M ALL FOR MORE SECURITY LIGHTING.

AND IF THEY WANT TO PAY, PAY THE ELECTRIC BILL AND PAY IT TO HAVE IT INSTALLED, AND AS LONG AS THEY CAN AVOID AND MAKE ENGINEERING HAPPY, NOT PUTTING IT OVER A UTILITY LINE THAT KNOWING IT MIGHT BE, IF THERE'S EVERY WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, THAT LINE THAT MIGHT BE TAKEN OUT AND THAT'S THEIR COST TO PUT IT BACK IN.

SO I'M FINE WITH THAT.

THEN AN ADDITIONAL COMMENT ON OUR APPLICATION, WE HAVE A SECTION THAT ASKS, HOW DID YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD DETERMINE THIS PROJECT AND BRENTWOOD VILLAGE WROTE ON THEIR APPLICATION THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS POINTED OUT EITHER ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR TWO BOARD MEMBERS OF INDIVIDUALS WHO, UH, HAVE HAD ITEMS STOLEN.

AND THE, UM, FORD ONE STARTED TO REVIEW AREAS FOR LIGHTING IMPROVEMENTS TO AVOID THAT IN THE FUTURE.

SO FROM THIS COMMENT, IT LOOKS

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LIKE THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED BY THE BOARD BECAUSE OF RESIDENTS COMPLAINING THAT THINGS HAVE BEEN STOLEN.

OKAY.

AND THEN I'M FINE WITH THIS PROJECT, AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF ENGINEERING AND THEY'RE PAYING THE ELECTRIC BILL, KNOWING THAT J P AND L IS INSTALLED ALL THE LIGHTING THAT THEY WOULD DO, AND THAT THIS IS ALL A RESPONSIBILITY TO HOA.

DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH IT.

I'D KIND OF LIKE TO SEE THEM LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS IN A MORE COMPREHENSIVE COMPATIBLE LIGHTING PLAN.

BUT I GUESS THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE, THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT TOO FAR IN THE WEEDS, BUT JUST IN THE SENSE THAT IF YOU'RE GETTING UP WITH LIKE FIVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF LIGHTS AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF, HOW MUCH VITALITY ARE WE ADDING? HOW MUCH ARE WE TAKING AWAY? UM, YOU KNOW, IS OUR, OUR, OUR STREET STYLE LED LIGHTS REALLY WHAT'S SUITABLE FOR THIS? OR DO YOU END UP MY LIKE, CAPTURES IDEA OF THE SOLAR PATHWAY LIGHTS WITH DF? THERE'S SOME KIND OF MIDDLE GROUND THERE WHERE WE RUN THE ELECTRIC AND YOU HAVE A LIGHTING THAT'S ON A, SAY LIKE A, LIKE A THREE-FOOT POST OR SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, I, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE KNOWS I'M TALKING ABOUT, YOU'VE ALL SEEN LIGHTING, IT'S LIGHTING.

IT'S NOT HARD LIGHTING.

YEAH.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

THANKS.

I NEED THE MAIN, WE ACTUALLY DOES THESE THINGS TO GIVE ME THE RIGHT NAME FOR IT.

UM, BUT YEAH, SOME FOLLOWER LIGHTING OR WHATEVER, AND MAYBE, MAYBE DO MORE, MAYBE, MAYBE REPLACE THE CURRENT.

I DON'T KNOW.

MAYBE WE NEED TO GET PARKS TO KIND OF WEIGH IN ON, ON SOME OF THAT.

THEY MIGHT HAVE SOME GOOD IDEAS FOR THE SCR OR SOMETHING.

I DUNNO.

OR WE COULD JUST SAY YES, AND OFF THEY GO, BUT IT WOULD JUST BE NICE AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY, THAT IT KIND OF, THERE'S MORE THAN JUST THE FUNCTIONAL LIGHT THIS PATHWAY.

AND I THINK IF YOU DO SOME, IF YOU WERE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE POWERED LIGHTING AND OTHER STUFF, THEN YOU'D KIND OF ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES OF HOW MUCH LIGHT ARE WE THROWING OVER INTO ADJOINING PROPERTIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO, I AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE THAT'S, UM, THIS DOES LOOK A LITTLE DISJOINTED, SKIPPED SCHIZOPHRENIA, ADDITIONS OF LIGHT, AND WHAT'S NEXT, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, MY INCLINATION WOULD BE FOR SEVERAL REASONS TO HAVE THIS RUN BACK BY THEM.

UM, EVEN THOUGH NEIGHBORS HAVE COMMENTED THAT THEY WANT MORE LIGHTING BECAUSE THINGS HAVE BEEN STOLEN THAT DOESN'T SAY THAT THOSE ARE THE NEIGHBORS IN WHOSE YARDS, THESE LIGHTS ARE GOING TO LEAK.

SO, UM, THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

IF, IF, IF THOSE SPECIFIC PEOPLE HAVEN'T BEEN ON BOARD WITH THIS, I MEAN, I DEAL WITH THAT IN MY DISTRICT ALL THE TIME.

I HAVE PEOPLE THAT ASK FOR STREETLIGHTS AND I HAVE LEARNED, UM, THAT THEY, UH, UM, THAT WE REALLY BETTER HEAR FROM EVERYBODY ON THE BLOCK BECAUSE OTHERWISE THE STREET LIGHTS GO IN AND THEN I GET CALLS SAYING THERE'S LIGHT IN MY YARD, IT'S SHINING IN MY WINDOWS.

SO I WOULD KIND OF BE INCLINED TO, TO SEND THIS BACK AND JUST MAKE SURE THIS IS REALLY THAT THIS IS WELL THOUGHT OUT THAT THEY MIGHT NOT WANT TO CONSIDER DIFFERENT KINDS OF LIGHTS OR THE MORE UNIFORM LOOK, UM, AND JUST HAVE THEM BRING IT BACK TO US.

I MEAN, THIS ISN'T A HUGE ASK AND I'D BE FINE WITH IT, BUT IT DOES SEEM A LITTLE DISJOINTED.

YEAH.

I'D BE HAPPY FOR US TO APPROVE A LARGER PROJECT.

AND IF MONEY IS AN ISSUE FOR THEM ON THE, WELL, WE CAN'T MATCH A LARGER PROJECT.

WE'LL FIGURE SOMETHING OUT WITH ONE OF OUR PARTNERS, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, HABITAT OR G HFC OR SOME OTHER PROGRAM WILL KICK IN SOME ASPECTS OF THAT MATH, IF THAT'S AN ISSUE, BUT AS LONG AS WE'RE DOING AND SPEND THE MONEY ON WHAT WILL BE A LONG-TERM PROJECT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S DO.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

WAIT.

SO ARE WE AGREED ON THAT? SEND IT BACK.

LET THEM KIND OF RECONSIDER SOME OF THESE THINGS.

YES, YES, YES.

OKAY.

YEAH.

OKAY.

AND I'D SUGGEST REACH OUT TO MAYBE REACH OUT TO SOMEONE IN BARK, MAYBE ZIA OR SOMEONE JUST TO GET SOME INPUT BECAUSE THEY DO THIS.

I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT HE DOES ALL THE TIME.

YEAH.

IS THIS KIND OF LIGHTING AND IT MAY NEED HIGHLIGHTING AND LOW LIGHTING AND OTHER STUFF.

YEAH, THAT'S IT.

I'M GOOD.

LAST ONE.

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OKAY.

SO THE LAST ONE IS, UH, SPRING PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THEY WOULD LIKE TO INSTALL A BASKETBALL SLAB AND HOOP.

THIS LOCATION IS NEAR THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD CLUB HOUSE AROUND, UM, THREE, THREE, THREE, ZERO SPRING PARKWAY.

TOTAL PROJECT COST IS $6,486 WITH A 10% MATCH.

THE CITY WOULD PAY $5,837.

AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD PAY $648.

THEY WOULD LIKE TO POUR A NEW CONCRETE SLAB AND INSTALL A BASKETBALL COURT AND HOOP THE CONCRETE SLAB WOULD BE FIVE INCHES THICK, A 3000 PSI REINFORCED CONCRETE.

UM, THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE CLUBHOUSE, THEIR SIGN AT THE CLUBHOUSE AND THE PROPOSED BASKETBALL COURT.

SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE PROJECT LOCATION WOULD BE AROUND HERE OR JUST OFF OF THEIR POOL.

AND THIS IS A VERY LARGE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY HAVE A NICE BUDGET OF $500 ANNUALLY TO MAINTAIN THEIR CLUBHOUSE AMENITIES.

AND THAT WOULD BEGIN TO INCLUDE THE BASKETBALL COURT IF APPROVED.

SO LOTS OF COMMENTS ON THIS FRONT, UM, FIRST VITALITY, THE COMMON AREA OR RECREATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS, NEW CONSTRUCTION IS A PERMITTED PROJECT.

UNDER THIS PROGRAM.

THE AREA IS LOCATED IN A SEMI-PUBLIC SEMI-PRIVATE AREA, UH, SPRING PARK, SOUTH CLUB PERMITS RESIDENTS TO USE THE AMENITIES FOR FREE WHILE RESIDENTS OUTSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE CHARGED $720 ANNUALLY FOR INDIVIDUALS AND $1,020 ANNUALLY FOR A FAMILY MEMBERSHIP ENGINEERING HAD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT A FLOOD STUDY BEING REQUIRED, BUT AFTER FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT ENGINEERING, UM, DECIDED THAT A FLOOD STUDY WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED ANYMORE, BUT I DECIDED TO KEEP THE COMMENTS, UH, JUST FOR REFERENCE.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY SUMMARY OF SPRING PARK, UH, PROJECT.

AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

YEAH.

UM, THIS SEEMS SIMILAR TO PROJECT HAD PREVIOUSLY WERE THE PUBLIC PRIVATE CONFLICT, AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT WE DECIDED TO TAKE.

WE HAD MADE A DECISION WHERE IT WAS HAD TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT THIS SEEMS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE TO DO AT BROTHER.

I THINK THAT WAS A $5 FEE AND THIS IS $720 ANNUAL FEE TRAILS HAS NOT BEEN VOTED ON FOR FINAL DECISION.

I KNOW, I KNOW THAT WAS A DISCUSSION WE HAD PREVIOUSLY THERE.

YEAH.

SO KIND OF WITH THE SAME, SAME ISSUE OF SEMI-PUBLIC SEMI-PRIVATE SO ANYONE CAN USE THE FACILITY, BUT YOU HAVE TO PAY WHAT YOU'RE.

YEAH.

THE, THE PROJECT YOU WERE REFERENCING IS IT WAS CALLED THE TRAILS TRAILS, ACTUATOR TRAILS, RECREATION CLUB, UM, THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT AND EXPECT, UM, EXPECT THAT COME TO FULL COUNCIL SOON.

UM, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE WHICH WORK SESSION YET, BUT SO COUNCIL HASN'T VOTED FULL COUNCIL.

HASN'T VOTED ON THAT ONE YET.

DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS ON THIS? YOU'RE ON MUTE LIKE A YEAR AND A HALF OF THIS ON MUTE 90% OF THE TIME, IT'S ALL GONNA BE OVERSHOOT.

UM, UH, UH, UH, I, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF FEIGN FOR, FOR STUFF THAT USING, USING TAX DOLLARS, BOND DOLLARS TO PAY FOR THINGS THAT PEOPLE THEN HAVE TO PAY FOR TO GET IN ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT'S, IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN IT'S A CITY THING, BUT WHEN WE'RE CONTRIBUTING TO WHAT'S EFFECTIVELY A EFFECTIVELY A PRIVATE ENTERPRISE IN THAT WAY, I'M NOT VERY COMFORTABLE USING THE DOLLARS IN THAT WAY.

AND I AGREE.

SO IN, IN LOOKING AT THIS AHEAD OF TIME, I JUST SAID, NO, THIS IS NOT, UM, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A GOOD USE OF OUR FUNDS AND YEAH, THIS IS A LONG WAY FROM BEING OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR A FAMILY IT'S THOUSAND AND $20 A YEAR.

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THIS IS NOT.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD WANT TO DENY THIS ONE, BUT DO I HAVE A MOTION? I WOULD SAY DENY ALL IN FAVOR OF DENIAL.

ALL RIGHT.

DONE.

OKAY.

WELL, THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR LISTENING TO ME AND YOU GUYS WILL SEE BRENTWOOD VILLAGE BACK HERE PROBABLY IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

SO THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOU.

THANK YOU.

YES.

OKAY.

SO ITEM FOUR IS TO CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS CONCERNING VETERAN HOMELESSNESS AND, UM, COMMITTEE.

I, I HAD SENT TO YOU OR SENT AGAIN, IT'S THIS HAS FAMILY DRAGGING ALONG THE PANDEMIC, KIND OF STOPPED EVERYTHING IN ITS TRACKS, THE ORIGINAL, UM, REFERRAL TO COMMITTEE, UM, BY COUNCILMAN, ALL OF THEM WAS, UH, IT WAS WORDED TO APPEAR TO GATEWAY, TO APPEAR TO BE THIS ONE, WHICH IS HOME TOGETHER, THE FEDERAL STRATEGIC PLAN TO PREVENT AN END HOMELESSNESS BY THE US INTERAGENCY COUNCIL ON HOMELESSNESS.

AND IN GOING THROUGH THIS, THIS IS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING OFF OF.

THIS IS A BROAD, VERY BROAD REPORT, BUT AS A SUBSECTION AND REFERENCED THROUGHOUT THIS, WHEN YOU REVIEW IT DIGITALLY, THEY HAVE VERY SPECIFIC THINGS ABOUT VETERAN HOMELESSNESS.

AND SO I WANTED TO BEFORE WEEKS, UM, START INTO THIS AGAIN, WHAT I SENT YOU IS ACTUALLY ALSO PART OF THE UNITED STATES THAT OUR AGENCY COUNCIL ON HOMELESSNESS, BUT IT IS THE SUBSECTION OF THE BIG REPORT THAT SPECIFICALLY TARGETS VETERANS.

AND I WANTED TO SEE WITH COUNCILMAN ALBAN'S, UM, AGREEMENT THAT THIS WOULD STILL FIT WITHIN THE CONCEPT OF WHAT HE SENT TO THIS COMMITTEE SO THAT WE COULD HONE IN AND GO THROUGH THIS SPECIFIC TARGETED PORTION OF THE REPORT RATHER THAN CONTINUING TO REVIEW THE LARGER ONE THAT IS NOT SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON VETERANS.

I THINK THAT THAT STILL FITS WITHIN THE REFERRAL, BUT WANTED TO DEFER TO COUNCILMAN ON YOU'RE NOT MUTED.

I'M NOT.

SO I DID THIS THING WHERE IT'S LIKE, WHERE THE CONTROLS WERE THERE AND I COULDN'T SEE THE TOP ROW.

SO I SAID, HIDE THE CONTROLS.

AND NOW THE CONTROLS ARE GONE.

IT'S AN, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING, BUT I'M MUDDLING THROUGH.

I APPRECIATE THE, THE LATITUDE.

UM, I'M HAPPY TO GO BY WHATEVER.

I MEAN, I GENERALLY, THE IDEA WAS LET'S USE THE INNER AGENCY COUNCIL ON HOMELESSNESS AND START CREATING A FRAMEWORK, UM, FOR ADDRESSING ALMOST THIS ISSUE, STARTING WITH VETERANS HOMELESSNESS, AND THEN MOVING FROM THERE IN PART NUMBER FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS WITH THAT.

BUT THAT DON'T REALLY MATTER.

BUT YEAH, SO I'M HAPPY TO, I THINK IT'S WITHIN THE SCOPE.

I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE ME, MATT.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD BE MAD AT US OR IF THE DISTRICT WE DID THE WRONG THING.

NO.

AND IF THIS IS STILL A PART OF THAT REPORT, IT'S JUST, IT, IT'S JUST NOT THE PRIMARY CENTRAL REPORT.

THIS IS A BREAKOUT.

UM, SO IT'S, I STILL THINK IT FITS WITHIN THE REFERRAL, BUT I WANTED TO DEFER TO YOU ON THAT.

SO THAT BEING, UH, THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO SEE IF CHIEF BRIAN WANTS TO, ARE YOU HERE TO BRING US UP TO DATE ON HOMELESS ISSUES, THE PITS COUNT THIS YEAR, WHICH I STILL NEVER HEARD OF ADULTS FROM THINGS LIKE THAT.

I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

UH, WE WE'VE CLEANED.

UH, I SEE, LET ME LOOK AT THE NUMBER 35 HOMELESS CAMPS SO FAR THIS YEAR, WE'VE REALLY BEEN ANCHORED BY THE WEATHER.

UH, HERE LATELY.

WE CAN'T GET DOWN TO THEM.

WE'VE HAD 160 678 HOMELESS RELATED CALLS AND 194 FOR HOMELESS CONTACTS.

AND ABOUT 10% OF THOSE ARE VETERAN HOMELESS.

UM, WE ARE WORKING WITH ABOUT SEVEN RIGHT NOW AND TRYING TO GET DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS.

UM, BUT I'M, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY CALL, ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE THAT WAS HELPFUL DEEP.

DO YOU HAVE THE PIT COUNT RESULTS FROM JANUARY? I, I HAD ASKED ALL THE USUAL SUSPECTS I HAVEN'T ASKED YOU, UM, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU HAVE THAT YOU COULD PULL UP? I DON'T HAVE THE PIT COUNTS AND I DON'T THINK WE DID PICK THIS YEAR.

IN FACT, I'LL, UH, I NEVER HEARD ABOUT IT BEING DONE.

THAT WAS WHY I KEPT WELL, THE, THE TIME THAT THE WEATHER HIT WAS THE TIME WE USUALLY DO THE PIT.

UH, BUT LET ME CONFIRM THAT WHILE I'LL MUTE REAL QUICK AND CONFIRM THAT.

AND THEN, UH, I'LL, I'LL CALL HER BACK AT YOU.

I'LL ASK WENDY REAL QUICK.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO

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ABOUT 10%, UM, JUST TO RESTATE WHAT HE JUST SAID, 194 HOMELESS CONTACTS, AND HE FELT LIKE ABOUT 10% OF THOSE INVOLVED HOMELESS VETERANS, WHICH SEEMS TO SYNC UP WELL WITH THE PIT COUNTS WE'VE SEEN IN PREVIOUS YEARS.

UM, SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL, ARE YOU, ARE YOU STILL HERE? THERE HE IS.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO ASK, UM, AS WELL TO COVER IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD A GUEST A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WHO BROUGHT UP, UM, SHE CALLED IT SOBER LIVING HOMES, BUT THE ACTUAL NAME IS REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS.

AND I THINK THAT WENT OUT ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA MATERIALS.

UM, AND THIS WAS SOMETHING I WAS NOT AWARE OF, UM, AND FOUND VERY INTERESTING.

SO I ASKED WILL, IF WE HAD ANY OF THESE HOMES, BECAUSE THE, UH, THE VISITOR, IT SAID THAT THERE WERE SOME IN MY DISTRICT, WHICH I TOTALLY WAS NOT AWARE OF.

AND AS IT TURNS OUT, THEY'RE NOT, THERE ARE, UM, A HANDFUL OF THEM IN DISTRICT FIVE, THEY'RE IN DISTRICT SIX, THEY'RE KIND OF ALL OVER THE CITY.

THEY AREN'T IN DISTRICT TWO.

AND I, UM, I DON'T REMEMBER NOW, I DON'T HAVE THEM BROKEN OUT.

WELL, MAYBE YOU DO, BUT, UM, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TO ME INDEPENDENTLY, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT HOMELESS VETERANS, UH, ASKING IF WE COULD HAVE GROUP HOMES ENABLED IN THE CITY OF GARLAND AND, UM, THE, THE USUAL PUSHBACK.

UM, YOU KNOW, I, I ASSUMED IT MIGHT BE LESS IF WE'RE DEALING WITH HOMELESS VETERANS, BUT LARRY WALKER, FOR ANY OF YOU WHO KNOW HIM, UM, HE WORKS A LOT WITH THE HOMELESS.

I ADMIRE HIM.

AND, UM, SO HIS ORGANIZATION GIDEON'S GROUP, THEY ACTUALLY PURCHASED LARGE HOUSES, NICE HOUSES, UM, THAT HAVE MANY ROOMS AND ACTUALLY DO THESE GROUP HOMES WHERE THERE'S ACTUALLY SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN THAT HOME WITH THEM, LIKE AN OVERSEER, A CARETAKER.

THEY AREN'T JUST ALL THERE TOGETHER.

AND THEY DO TAKE IN HOMELESS VETERANS, GIVE THEM A PLACE TO LIVE AND THEN PUT THEM THROUGH THEIR PROGRAM.

UM, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL DOESN'T VOTE ON.

PLAN COMMISSION DOESN'T VOTE ON IT'S.

UM, AND LET, WE'LL TAKE IT FROM THERE, BUT THAT'S UM, WELL, CAN YOU JUST KIND OF RUN DOWN WHAT REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS, HOW THAT, HOW THAT LOOKS AND, UM, I THINK YOU SAID WE HAVE SEVEN OR EIGHT OF THEM ALREADY OPERATING IN THE CITY FOR SOME YEARS.

YES.

YES.

MA'AM LET ME, UM, LET ME SEE, I'VE GOT A QUICK SLIDE HERE.

IT'S JUST A ONE PAGER JUST TO KIND OF, UM, ORGANIZE THE POINTS HERE, BUT, UM, LET'S SEE.

UM, IF YOU CAN SEE THAT.

OKAY.

I'LL UH, YEAH, SO, UM, REASONABLE COMBINATIONS ARE OUTLINED IN THE GDC.

UM, IT IS A PROVISION, UM, AS THE APPLICATION PROCESS OR AN APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO, UM, APPLY FOR THIS, UH, THIS THROUGH THE CITY.

UM, BUT IT IS TO THE PURPOSES TO AUTHORIZE A MODIFICATION OF CERTAIN ZONING STANDARDS SO THAT THE PERSON WITH DISABILITIES MAY HAVE EQUAL ACCESS TO HOUSING WITHIN THE CITY OF GARLAND.

UM, THESE ARE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING DIRECTOR AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

UM, THIS IS JUST KIND OF AN OVERVIEW REALLY, UM, BUT, UM, THE, UH, PERSON OR THE APPLICANT HAS THE BURDEN TO PRESENT SUFFICIENT FACTS, UH, THAT DEMONSTRATE THAT THE, UM, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT'S WILL RESIDENTS SUFFER FROM A HANDICAP AS DEFINED IN THE FAIR HOUSING AMENDMENTS ACT AND, UM, THAT THE, UH, UH, ALLEVIATION, UH, FROM THE GDC CODE AND A CODE DEPARTMENT IN QUESTION IS NECESSARY, UH, TO ESSENTIALLY ALLEVIATE THE, UH, DISABILITY OR THE HANDICAP.

AND, UM, THE DEFINITION OF DISABILITY IS FAIRLY BROAD.

UH, IF MR. ANYONE IS STILL ON THE ZOOM MEETING, HE CAN KIND OF WEIGH IN A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT KIND OF REFERS BACK AGAIN, KIND OF TO THE, UM, TO ADA AND THE FAIR HOUSING AMENDMENTS ACT.

BUT AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE I REVIEWED CLOSELY TOGETHER, UM, AN APPLICANT MAY APPEAL, UM, A DENIAL OF THIS REQUEST OR AN ALTERNATIVE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION, UM, TO THE CITY MANAGER, IF THEY'D LIKE.

UM, THERE'S ALSO A PROVISION IN THE GDC THAT, UM, UH, SAYS THAT IF AN APPLICANT NEEDS ASSISTANCE WITH THE APPLICATION THAT STAFF, UM, SHELL ASSIST THEM, UH, TO TURN A VERBAL REQUEST INTO A WRITTEN REQUEST, FOR EXAMPLE.

SO, UM, SO THAT'S REALLY, UH, WHAT A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION IS ALL ABOUT.

AS FAR AS GROUP HOMES GO, WHAT THE TYPICAL REQUEST THERE IS.

THE GDC DOES HAVE A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNRELATED INDIVIDUALS

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THAT CAN RESIDE IN A HOME.

SO THE TYPICAL REQUEST THERE IS TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, FOLKS TO LIVE IN THAT HOME THAT, UM, ARE MOST LIKELY NOT RELATED, BUT THAT SUFFER FROM SOME TYPE OF DISABILITY.

AND, UM, AND THEY NEED KIND OF THAT GROUP SAYING FOR WHATEVER REASON IT MAY BE, AGAIN, THE DISABILITIES ARE FAIRLY BROAD AND, UM, ACROSS THE SPECTRUM, BUT, UM, THAT'S THAT TYPICAL REQUEST IS SO, OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, CHIEF, ARE YOU BACK WITH, AND WHEN YOU CHECK AND THEY DID DO A FIT COUNT, THERE WERE 4,570 IN DALLAS COUNTY.

SHE'S CHECKING TO SEE EXACTLY HOW MANY WERE IN GARLAND.

SO I HOPE HOPEFULLY I'LL HAVE THAT HERE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, SO WELL WITH THE, WITH THE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS AND THE DISABILITIES, MY UNDERSTANDING, AND IT'S BEEN OVER A MONTH SINCE I ACTUALLY READ THIS IN DETAIL, SOME FUZZY, BUT THOSE DISABILITIES CAN INCLUDE DRUG ADDICTION, ALCOHOL ADDICTION, SOBRIETY ISSUES, AS WELL AS PHYSICAL HANDICAPS, AS WELL AS MENTAL HANDICAPS, CORRECT? YES.

MA'AM.

I BELIEVE IT CAN.

OKAY.

AND, AND THIS MAY BE A FOR, FOR EITHER OR BOTH OF YOU, ARE WE, UM, ARE WE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH OUR REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION HOMES THAT ARE EXISTING NOW ALL OVER THE CITY? ARE WE GETTING CALLS ABOUT THEM COMPLAINTS ABOUT THEM? DO YOU, YEAH.

I'VE HAD MULTIPLE ISSUES WITH MULTIPLE LOANS, UH, IN SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE'VE HAD TO GET CODE INVOLVED OR POLICE DEPARTMENT INVOLVED ON SEVERAL OF THEM.

IT'S BEEN, ONE OF THEM IN PARTICULAR WAS EXTREMELY PROBLEMATIC.

DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT STREET THAT WAS? I WAS PULLING UP A LIST HERE OF THE ONES THAT I WAS AWARE EXISTED.

UM, IT WAS DOWN IN THE NEW WORLD SUBDIVISION, SO I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT STREET THAT IT WAS ON, UH, CAN CERTAINLY FIND OUT.

UM, BUT WE HAD, WE HAD SOME ISSUES THERE AND IT WAS, UH, IT WAS A HOME FOR, WAS A GROUP HOME, I THINK FOR ELDERLY WAS WHO WAS A PRIMARILY FOR PRIMARY PURPOSE OF IT.

THEY CERTAINLY HAD SMELLED RUINS HOPES THERE, BUT THEY WERE CAUSING POLICE TROUBLE.

YEAH.

THERE WAS ONE PERSON THEY ENDED UP HAVING TO, UH, GET EVICTED AND REMOVED FROM THE HOME.

WELL, STUFF HAPPENS.

IT'S BEEN QUIET SINCE THEN, BUT, BUT IT WAS VERY PROBLEMATIC.

I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF OTHERS WHERE I'VE GOTTEN SOME COMPLAINTS ON THEM AS WELL, DIFFERENT TYPES OF, OKAY.

WHAT, SINCE I DON'T HAVE ANY IN MY DISTRICT, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT.

I ASKED, UM, COUNCILMAN SMITH.

I THINK HE HAS, I THINK HE MIGHT HAVE ONE IN HIS DISTRICT.

HE SAID THERE WAS ONE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM HIM THAT NEVER CAUSE PROBLEMS. SO I WAS JUST KIND OF CURIOUS HOW, HOW THESE WERE WORKING OUT.

I LIVED DOWN THE STREET FROM A GROUP HOME BEFORE, AND, UM, IT WAS A MEN'S GROUP HOME AND THEY WERE HANDICAPPED AND WE LIVED DOWN THE STREET FROM THEM FOR OVER 20 YEARS AND, UM, DID NOT HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THEM, BUT, YOU KNOW, EVERY GROUP OF PEOPLE IS DIFFERENT.

AND, UM, SO I RAISED THAT ISSUE JUST BECAUSE THAT IS, UM, IN READING THROUGH THE LARGER, UM, PORTIONS OF A LOT OF THE, UM, SUGGESTIONS ABOUT VETERANS GROUP PROVIDING GROUP HOMES IS ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT THAT'S MADE AS A TRANSITION FOR THEM.

UM, AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING COUNCIL WOULD STEP INTO, BUT SINCE I WASN'T PARTICULARLY AWARE OF HOW THAT WORKED AND THAT, THAT WAS PURELY AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS AND GARLAND, UM, I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR ALL OF US TO BE AWARE OF.

SO MADAM CHAIR, UM, CAN I POINT OUT THAT, UM, UM, PART OF THE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION PROCESS AND THE CITY, UM, REQUIRES NOT JUST THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE A DISABILITY, BUT THEY CUT THE, MET THE ACCOMMODATION THAT WE'RE MAKING FOR THEM.

THAT IS THE ACCOMMODATION THAT MORE THAN FOUR UNRELATED PERSONS LIVING UNDER THE SAME ROOF, UM, UM, HELPS, HELPS, UM, HELPS RAISE, NOT RESOLVE HELPS AMELIORATE THEIR HANDICAP OR THEIR DISABILITY.

AND SO WHAT WE SEE WHEN WE SEE THIS HAPPEN IS WITH, AS YOU'VE MENTIONED, THE ALCOHOL HOMES.

AND SO,

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UM, WE HAVE IT WITH THE ELDERLY HOMES AND THE IDEA IS LIVING IN COMMUNITY WITH A HOUSE OR AN ORGANIZATION THAT OWNS THE HOUSE WITH GROUP RULES OR HOUSE RULES THAT ARE ENFORCED AND THAT COMMUNITY SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER HELPS IN THEIR DISABILITY.

AND SO IT'S NOT JUST THAT A GROUP OF VETERANS TO GET TOGETHER.

EACH RESIDENT OF THE HOUSE WOULD HAVE TO SHOW THAT THEY NUMBER ONE, HAVE A DISABILITY.

AND NUMBER TWO, THAT DISABILITY IS CONNECTED TO THE ACCOMMODATION THAT THEY'RE SEEKING.

AND SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT.

AND SO IF YOU HAVE AN ORGANIZATION THAT ARE HOUSING VETERANS THAT ARE DISABLED, IT'S NOT REALLY SO MUCH ABOUT THEM BEING VETERANS.

IT'S MORE ABOUT THEM BEING, HAVING A DISABILITY.

AND SO IT WOULD BE A CASE BY CASE ORGANIZATION, NOT ORGANIZATION ANALYSIS THAT WE DID JUST SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST NOT A MATTER OF PUTTING VETERANS YET OR HOUSING THEM.

AND THEY GET TO AVOID OUR ZONING LAWS.

THEY HAVE TO SHOW US AND DEMONSTRATE TO US THAT THEY ALSO HAVE THIS DISABILITY, THAT THE ACCOMMODATION WILL ACTUALLY HELP WITH THE EFFECTS OF THAT DISABILITY.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT DIFFERENTIATION.

AND, AND, AND YEAH, I KNOW THAT BEING VETERANS DOESN'T QUALIFY THEM AND THAT DISABILITY CAN VARY WIDELY.

A LOT OF THE STUDIES TO, TO THE MOST EFFECTIVE, UM, PROGRAMS FOR THE HOMELESS TO ACTUALLY TRANSITION THEM INTO BACK INTO FULL MEMBERS OF SOCIETY, INVOLVES COMMUNITY.

THE COMMUNITY FIRST MODEL HAS BEEN EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL.

UM, SO I CAN, I CAN KIND OF CIRCLE THAT IN MY MIND AND SEE THAT THAT WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY, BUT AS YOU SAID, IT'S, IT'S INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE AND EACH ONE OF THEM WOULD HAVE TO QUALIFY AND, AND SHOW THAT LIVING IN A GROUP SETTING WOULD BE, UM, BENEFICIAL TO THEM.

AND HOMELESSNESS IN AND OF ITSELF IS NOT A DISABILITY.

SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE BEYOND THAT.

OKAY.

SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU.

UM, THE NOW I'VE HAD DISCUSSED, W LET ME START OFF WITH, I PULLED UP THE EMAIL FROM THE PAST.

IT WAS FROM A WRECK.

THE PRIOR, THE HOME WITH THE ISSUE WAS ON BRIAR WAY.

AND MY EMAILS WERE ON THE LINES.

I WANT TO ASK YOU, HOW WOULD YOU REACT TO JUNKIES WALKING AROUND, CUSSING AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS, ARGUING AT 11 OR 12 AT NIGHT.

AND YOU HAVE TO BE UP AT 4:00 AM TO DRIVE TO WACO FOR WORK.

I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO DO I DO.

I HATE THIS HAS GONE ON LONG ENOUGH, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW A COMPANY CAN PURCHASE YOUR PROPERTY, PRETENDING TO BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THEN TURN AROUND AND RENT IT OUT AS A RECOVERY CENTER.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS DRIVES EXACT, MOSTLY FOLKS WHO ARE ELDERLY OR MAYBE SOMEWHERE ELDERLY IN SOME WORD NOT, I DON'T KNOW.

UM, BUT, UM, BUT IT WAS VERY PROBLEMATIC.

I KNOW THAT I THINK IT WAS OFFICER JERRY GET INVOLVED DOWN THERE.

UM, AND IT'S, IT'S BEEN A REAL ISSUE.

AND I THINK WE'D GET A LOT OF, UH, I THINK WE GET A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD OPPOSITES AND WE'VE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT WITH, WITH RESPECT TO, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY DETERMINATIVE, BUT, UM, BUT I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS THAN WE SAW.

UM, I HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS NOT LONG AGO, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WITH, UH, RICH PAQUETTE WHO IS HEAD OF HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, WHO WAS, WHO SAYS THAT THEY HAD MONEY.

THEY WERE LOOKING AT BUILDING A SMALL, A SMALLER SCALE TYPE THING, SMALL, ALMOST LIKE A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'VE GOT MONEY TO BUILD HOMES, ACTUAL HOMES.

THEY HAD BROUGHT A PLAN LIKE THAT, UM, TO A ROUTE WET, BUT TO GET SOME OPS OPPOSITION TO THAT FOR VETERAN HOUSING.

I MEAN, I THINK WE ENDED UP HAVING TO LOOK AT IN A HOLISTIC SENSE OF HOW DO WE ESTABLISH THAT, THAT FRAMEWORK, THAT THE ICH PUTS TOGETHER TO IDENTIFY THESE PEOPLE AND THEN MOVE THEM THROUGH THAT.

AND, UM, I, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME OTHER DISCUSSIONS IN THE PAST, SOME IN THE MEETINGS THAT YOU'VE ORGANIZED OF, OF KIND OF DISPERSING INSTEAD OF DOING GROUP HOMES, YOU KNOW, FINDING WAYS TO BRING PEOPLE TO HOMES WORKS DISTRIBUTED AROUND THE CITY AND NOT IN ONE PARTICULAR AREA OR PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT YOU MIGHT, YOU KNOW, AND YOU HAVE INDIVIDUALS.

SO I DON'T KNOW SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT THERE.

UM, BUT I, I WOULD CERTAINLY BE HAPPY FOR US TO SIT DOWN AND ENGAGE THE, UH, HABITAT AND G HFC AND START LOOKING AT WHAT SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES, UH, WOULD BE THERE.

SO I'LL JUST SAY, JUST TO BE CLEAR ALSO THAT I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO READ JUST TO BE CLEAR ALSO, UM, UM, THESE, THIS HOUSING IS ALREADY AVAILABLE

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TO VETERANS THAT MEET THESE QUALIFICATIONS IN THE CITY.

AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF THE IDEA IS THAT Y'ALL WANTED TO ESTABLISH A MORE FORMAL PROGRAM IN WHICH THEY MEET THIS CRITERIA, OR, UH, YOU WANT TO ADVERTISE THE POSSIBILITY OF REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS WITH, UM, FROM OUR ZONING ORDINANCES.

I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE I GUESS, BUT THE IDEA IS, BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT'S ALREADY AVAILABLE.

IF, IF WE HAVE A GROUP OF SIX HOMELESS VETERANS THAT SHOW UP AND THEY ALL HAVE DISABILITIES AND THEY ARE PART OF A GROUP THAT HAS HOUSE RULES AND, AND THEY COME IN AND THEY SHOW EVIDENCE THAT, YOU KNOW, LIVING IN A COMMUNITY WITH THESE HOUSE RULES, UM, IS, UH, HAS A THERAPEUTIC BENEFIT TO THEM.

THEN WE CERTAINLY WOULD GRANT THEM THAT REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION NOW.

WELL, IT CERTAINLY WASN'T MY THOUGHT TO, UM, TO START ADVERTISING THIS BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BLOW UP THE WORLD.

UM, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING I DON'T, I DIDN'T THINK, UH, THAT THIS COMMITTEE WAS NECESSARILY AWARE OF THAT AND THE DETAILS OF IT THAT THIS WAS, UH, THIS WOULD BE NORMALLY ASSUMED TO BE SOMETHING, A REQUEST THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS WITH PLAN AND WITH US, AND THEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS GOING UP WITH THIS, WITH THESE, UM, REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS.

IT, IT JUST NEVER DOES THAT, BUT, UM, I WANTED TO ASK, UH, COUNCILMAN ALVIN, YOU SAID BRIAR WAY, DID YOU MEAN BRIAR WOOD? I'M LOOKING AT THE LIST PRIOR WAY IS WHAT I WAS TOLD.

OKAY.

WELL, I DON'T SEE.

I DON'T SEE, RIGHT.

IT WOULD NOT BE, IT WOULD NOT BE BRIGHTER WITH BRIAR WOODS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD PRIOR WAY IS DOWN IN, UM, IN THE NEW WORLD AREA.

OKAY.

I DON'T SEE ONE OF THE HOMES LISTED ON A BRIAR WAY ADDRESS.

THAT'S THAT'S, UM, THAT'S AN ACTUAL REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION HOME.

THAT'S JUST, WAS MAKING ME SUSPICIOUS THAT THIS, THIS WASN'T A HOME LIKE THAT, BUT WAS INSTEAD OF LANDLORD WHO BOUGHT A HOUSE AND THEN RENTED IT TO RANDOM OUT OF CONTROL PEOPLE, NO, IT WAS A GOVERNMENT RELATED PROGRAM ACTUALLY THAT THEY WERE ASSOCIATED WITH, BUT I, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS OFFHAND.

WELL, THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S ACTUALLY A FAIR POINT.

SO IF YOU'RE A GOVERNMENT RELATED PROGRAM, SAY IF IT'S A TEXAS LICENSED HOUSE FOR GROUP, IT MAY NEED, THEY'RE PROBABLY, UM, UM, EXEMPT FROM LOCAL ORDINANCES.

SOME DO COME AND ASK FOR REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE REQUESTING MORE THAN SIX INDIVIDUALS LIVING IN THERE.

SO UNDER STATE LAW UNDER A LOT OF THESE REGULATED HOUSES, UM, UM, THEY'RE ALLOWED UP TO SIX INDIVIDUALS TO LIVE THERE.

AND WE CANNOT HAVE ORDINANCES THAT PROHIBIT THAT TO CONFLICT WITH THAT.

BUT OFTENTIMES THEY COME AND SAY, WELL, WE'RE ALLOWED SIX, BUT WE WOULD LOCK EIGHT.

AND THIS IS WHY WE WOULD LIKE, HEY, BECAUSE IF WE HAD EIGHT, IT WOULD ENABLE US TO DO THESE EVENTS, WHICH HAVE FOUND TO BE THERAPEUTIC FOR THESE PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALS.

AND SO WE'VE HAD SEVERAL GROUP HOMES THAT ARE LICENSED BY THE STATE THAT HAD REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION BECAUSE THEY HAVE EIGHT INSTEAD OF SIX.

AND THEN WE HAD GROUP HOMES THAT HAVE SIX THAT AREN'T EVEN, WE MAY NOT EVEN KNOW ABOUT BECAUSE THEY'RE LICENSED THROUGH THE STATE.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WE WOULD HAVE THEM THAT WE TOTALLY WERE UNAWARE OF, BUT WELL, IT WOULDN'T COME THROUGH OUR OFFICE ANYWAY.

MAYBE SOMEBODY IN THE CITY KNOWS ABOUT THEM, BUT WE DON'T CARE ABOUT ANY OTHER WORK, ANY OF THEM, EXCEPT FOR THE ONES THEY ASK FOR REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION.

AND JUST FOR A LITTLE HISTORY FOR THE MEMBERS THAT MAY NOT KNOW THE HISTORY BEHIND THE MAYSVILLE, ACCOMMODATION, AND PILOTS AND ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION AND NOT A COUNCIL DECISION.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF REASONS.

IN YEARS PAST, IT WAS ACTUALLY A DECISION THAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, UM, TASKED WITH MAKING.

AND WE WERE HAVING ISSUES WITH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT RANKING, OR NOT RANKING AND REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION, WHERE IT WAS CLEAR BY LAW THAT THEY WERE ENTITLED TO THEM.

AND SO WE'RE ENDING UP GETTING AN ORDER FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, NOT TO GRANT IT, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO END UP KNOWING THAT, WELL, IF WE DON'T MIND IT, WOULDN'T IT BE SO WOUND UP GRANTING ANYWAY.

SO WE GET THE COUNCIL DECIDED ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, FOUR YEARS AGO TO PULL IT OUT OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND PUT IT AS ADMINISTRATOR DECISION, UM, FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WORKING IN CONSULTATION WITH OUR OFFICE.

AND THAT'S HOW IT ENDED UP IN THIS, UM, PROCEDURALLY LIKE IT IS NOW, THANK YOU FOR THAT BACKGROUND NUMBER 112 HAD GOTTEN 12 HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS AND THAT WAS RECORDED IN JANUARY.

OKAY.

AND DO WE, DID THEY, DO WE HAVE A BREAKOUT ON THE NUMBER OF THEM THAT WERE TAGGED AS VETERANS? I DO NOT.

UH, THEY TAG THEM BY COUNTY AS, UH, IT'S ABOUT 10%.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL THANKS.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, SO, AND I DON'T WANT TO

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GO OFF TOO FAR IN THE WEEDS.

I WANTED TO PUT THE, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE VISITOR WE HAD A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, I WANTED TO PUT THE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS THING OUT THERE AND MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE WERE AT LEAST AWARE OF THAT.

AND DYLAN, SINCE YOU WORKED ON THE GDC, YOU PROBABLY WERE AWARE OF IT.

UM, I WASN'T AWARE OF HOW MANY OF THOSE HOMES ACTUALLY WERE EXISTING IN THE CITY AND THAT THEY WERE, UM, ABLE TO GO IN ADMINISTRATIVELY, WHICH WOULD BE PRETTY QUIET.

UM, SO THAT IS, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS GROUP HOMES.

IN FACT, WHEN I WAS IN, UM, DC YEAR BEFORE LAST, I GUESS, AND SAT DOWN WITH THE, UM, WITH THE DIRECTOR AT HUD, THAT WAS ONE OF HIS FIRST THINGS HE SAID ABOUT VETERAN HOMELESSNESS IS GROUP HOMES, GROUP HOMES ARE A REALLY GOOD THING.

HE KEPT SAYING THAT.

AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, IT'S HARD TO SEE HOW THAT, HOW WELL THAT WOULD GO OVER WITH THE CITIZENS OF GARLAND.

UM, BUT WE NEVER GOT INTO THE WHOLE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS THING DURING THAT CONVERSATION.

SO, UM, THAT IS ONE TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX.

UM, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ADVERTISE IT.

IT ALREADY EXISTS, BUT WE SHOULD CERTAINLY BE AWARE OF IT.

UM, IN THE 10 STRATEGIES TO END VETERAN HOMELESSNESS, THAT'S FROM THE ICH REPORT.

UM, OF COURSE THEY, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT THEY TALK ABOUT IS A HOUSING FIRST SYSTEM.

AND, UM, I DON'T REALLY KNOW IF WE WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME HASHING THROUGH THE HOUSING.

FIRST IS EVERYBODY FAMILIAR WITH HOUSING FIRST? OKAY.

DOES EVERYBODY HAVE OPINIONS ABOUT HOUSING FIRST CHICKEN AND EGG, RIGHT.

I MEAN, WHICH PROBLEM DO YOU GO AFTER THE FIRST? IS IT HOUSING OR DO YOU GO AFTER THE POSSIBLE ADDICTION AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, THE VARIETY OF OTHER PROBLEMS THAT MAY BE CAUSING IT? YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, I'VE LONG THOUGHT THAT THAT HOUSING FIRST MAY BE THE ANSWER.

THERE'S JUST, THERE'S THE SUBSIDIARY ANSWER QUESTION MAYBE TO THAT OF WHO'S PROVIDING HOUSING.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE AND HOW THOSE HOUSING RESOURCES WOULD BE DEPLOYED.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT THE CITY'S ROLE SHOULD BE TO SUPPLY THAT HOUSING.

I DON'T FEEL THAT IT SHOULD BE, UM, I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY DO A