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I GUESS I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING OF THE TAX INCREMENT ZONE THREE TO ORDER.

UM, WELCOME EVERYBODY.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

UM,

[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Consider Approval of the November 18, 2020 Minutes]

EVERYBODY HAS BEEN GIVEN THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING.

UM, WANT TO MOVE TO OUR FIRST ITEM RIGHT OFF THE BAT, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

DOES ANYBODY SEE ANY CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE FROM THOSE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND BY BOB, EVERYBODY IN FAVOR.

AYE.

AYE.

ANYBODY OPPOSED? OCEAN IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO STAFF UPDATE ON VA HOSPITAL ITEM TWO.

UM, I'M SORRY, I'VE GOT THE LAST MINUTES.

DON'T PAY ME ENOUGH FOR THIS.

WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO MOVE TO THE

[2. Medical District Plan Presentation]

MEDICAL DISTRICT PLAN PRESENTATION.

UM, MR. REX IS WITH US TONIGHT AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO HIM SO THAT WE CAN GET UPDATES ON THE PLAN.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS, GLAD TO HAVE YOU TONIGHT AND APPRECIATE YOU TAKING TIME OUT OF YOUR SCHEDULE TO MEET WITH US.

WE'RE EXCITED TO SHARE WITH YOU TONIGHT.

UM, OUR DRAFT PLAN FOR THE MEDICAL DISTRICT, UH, WHICH IS NEWLY INCORPORATED AREA INTO TIP NUMBER THREE, UH, W AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING WITH, UM, KEVIN HIVELY WHO'S WITH US TONIGHT AND HIS FIRM NINIGRET, UH, TO PUT TOGETHER A PLAN FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE MEDICAL DISTRICT AROUND THE VA HOSPITAL.

UH, SO, UM, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO KEVIN TO PRESENT THE PLAN.

WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY, UH, APPROVAL FORMAL ACTION OR APPROVAL TONIGHT, UH, PRESENTING THIS REALLY FOR YOUR FEEDBACK, UM, ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS YOU'VE GOT AND COMMENTS, UH, REALLY THE NEXT STEPS ARE TO, UH, THIS WILL GO TO PLAN COMMISSION, UM, LATER IN, I THINK IN JULY AND THEN, UH, FORMALLY GO TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, I THINK IN A WORK IN A WORK SESSION AND THEN FORMAL APPROVAL PROBABLY IN AUGUST, I THINK IS OUR TIMELINE THERE.

SO, UH, KEVIN, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

AND ARE YOU ABLE TO SHARE YOUR SCREEN WITH THE, I AM ON, I'M GOING TO SHARE MY SCREEN, THEN TURN OFF MY CAMERA SO YOU ALL CAN FOCUS ON THE PRESENTATION AND NOT ME.

UM, CAN YOU ALL SEE THAT? YES.

OKAY, GREAT.

AND LET ME JUST DO IT THE SCREEN.

UH, THANK YOU ALL.

IT'S, UH, IT'S GREAT TO FINALLY ACTUALLY VIRTUALLY MEET YOU ALL.

AND, UM, UM, I THINK WHAT WOULD THE BEST THING TO DO, UH, IS TO GO THROUGH IT COMPLETELY AND THEN DO QUESTIONS AT THE END BECAUSE THE WAY THE PRESENTATION IS SET UP, IT MAY BE ANTICIPATING SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS.

SO IF WE DON'T ADDRESS THEM, UM, BY THE END, THEN, YOU KNOW, PLEASE OBVIOUSLY, UH, ASK AWAY.

SO, UH, QUICKLY WHAT THE DOCUMENT YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE IS A COMBINATION OF A PRESENTATION ON A REPORT AND IT'S INTENTIONAL, IT'S, IT WILL HAVE MORE WORDS THAN YOU PROBABLY USUALLY SEEN IN A POWERPOINT.

AND THE REASON WHY IS WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT LIVES, UH, WITHOUT ME HAVING TO GIVE THE PRESENTATION EVERY SINGLE TIME.

AND SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN READ THROUGH IT, UH, REFLECT ON IT AND COMMENT BACK LATER, RATHER THAN TRYING TO REMEMBER JOTTED DOWN A BUNCH OF NOTES ABOUT WHAT WAS IT THAT HE SAID ABOUT THIS.

SO OUR PROCESS AND APPROACH, UM, I'M JUST GONNA HIT SOME HIGHLIGHTS.

UH, WE DID, UH, SITE VISITS, UH, THREE TIMES, INCLUDING DURING COVID.

UM, WE HAD INTERVIEWS WITH A NUMBER OF STAKEHOLDERS, INCLUDING, UH, THE SHOPPING CENTER, PEOPLE, UH, PEOPLE WHO WERE MAKING SOME OTHER INVESTMENTS.

WE'VE HAD THREE MEETINGS WITH THE VA.

WE MET MONTHLY WITH THE CITY.

WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF PLANNING WORKSHOPS, AND THEN WE DID SOME, UM, EXISTING ANALYSIS TYPE OF WORK AS WELL.

SO OUR STRATEGIES ARE BASED UPON A SET OF FINDINGS.

UM, ONE IS THAT IT'S A COMPLEX DISTRICT.

UH, THERE'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ZONING ISSUES, BUILDING SIZE, DIFFERENT LEVELS OF QUALITY.

WE'LL SHOW YOU SOME DETAIL ABOUT THAT.

IT'S ONE OF THE MOST DIVERSE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY, AND ALSO FRANKLY, IN THE DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA, EXCUSE ME, IT'S, UM, THERE'S CLEARLY SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO DO SOME LOOK AND FEEL IMPROVEMENTS.

AND THERE'S A, AS I DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU ALL THERE, ISN'T A LOT OF HOUSING DEMAND, UH, IN GARLIN AND IN THE DALLAS, UH, SUBURBAN AREA.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE SOME IMPLICATIONS FOR WHAT HAPPENS HERE.

OUR STRATEGIES ARE, WE WANT TO LEVERAGE THE DIVERSITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, THERE'S SOME INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO NEED TO BE MADE, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO WALK THROUGH THE PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT AND PROMOTE THIS AS A MEDICAL CAMPUS TYPE DEVELOPMENT

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AND TRY TO MANAGE, UM, COMPETITION FROM, UH, THE DEMAND FOR HOUSING ACROSS ALL OF THE ACREAGE.

AND WE'LL SHOW YOU WHY IN A SECOND.

SO WHAT ABOUT DIVERSE, UH, ZONING? UM, THERE ARE SEVEN DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS, UM, ZONING APPROACHES WITHIN THE, UM, WITHIN THIS AREA RANGING FROM WHERE THE HOSPITAL IS, WHICH IS COMMUNITY OFFICE.

IT'S NOT MEDICAL PER SE.

MEDICAL'S ALLOWED THERE'S COMMUNITY RETAIL.

THIS IS ACTUALLY THERE'S TWO AREAS THAT ARE ACTUALLY ZONED INDUSTRIAL, AND THEN THERE'S RESIDENTIAL.

SO THERE'S THIS COMPLEXITY AROUND THAT.

UH, THERE'S ALSO, I DON'T, DIDN'T TELL YOU GUYS, THIS THERE'S A DIVERSITY OF USES, UM, WITHIN, UH, THIS AREA THAT ALSO REFLECTS THE, UM, THE DIFFERENT ZONING MODELS, FRANKLY.

UM, AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE OWNERS, UH, WHICH MEANS THAT THERE UNTIL WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS, THERE WAS A, WHAT MANY MORE OWNERS THAN THERE IS NOW.

UM, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, THIS, THE BLUE HERE IS UNDER CONTRACT AND THIS PORTION OF BLUE IS ACTUALLY UNDER NEW OWNERSHIP, THAT IT HAS A RELATIONSHIP TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THIS, THESE PARCELS THAT ARE UNDER CONTRACT.

AND THEN THE EXISTING BUILDINGS AGAIN ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE.

YOU'VE GOT EVERYTHING FROM THE HOSPITAL CAMPUS TO SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING.

UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS AS WE WERE APPROACHING THE REDEVELOPMENT PROCESS, THIS STRUCTURE, THE STRUCTURE OF WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, UH, INFLUENCED, UM, SOME OF OUR DECISION-MAKING PROCESS, NAMELY, AS AN EXAMPLE, WE DID NOT.

I FIND IT LAR PRETTY UNLIKELY THAT, UM, LIKE 19 AND 41, WHICH ARE WHERE THERE ARE EXISTING MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING, WITHOUT THAT THEY WOULD CHANGE WITHOUT, UM, SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF DENSITY THAT ALREADY EXISTS ON THOSE SITES.

AND THEN JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE AN IDEA OF WHAT, UH, THEORETICAL PERSON SIZES WITH SOME LAND ASSEMBLY, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL ANCHORAGE OPPORTUNITIES HERE AS WELL.

SO WHAT IS OUR PLAN? OUR PLAN STARTS WITH A SERIES OF RECOMMENDED INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.

AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS TAKING A MAP OF THE DISTRICT, WHICH I'M CIRCLING RIGHT HERE, WHICH YOU ALL KNOW WHAT IT IS.

AND THEN NUMBER CODED EACH OF THE PROPOSED INTERVENTIONS OR IMPROVEMENTS, AND THOSE CAN BE FOUND OVER HERE.

SO ONE OF THEM IS LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITY OF INACCURATE CROSSING, UM, WHERE THE SOMERSET, UH, COMES IN POTENTIALLY ANOTHER RIVERSIDE.

I MEAN, ANOTHER ONE HERE, UH, POTENTIALLY, UH, THE CREATION OF A TRAIL AND A PARK, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.

UM, THERE MAY BE THE CITY MODEL.

THE CITY PROPOSED CONCEPT FROM PARKS, UH, WAS THE, IS THE SOLID LINE.

WE THINK IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO IT ALONG THE BACK TRAIL WHERE THIS DOTTED LINE IS.

BUT IF YOU NEEDED, IF YOU WERE TO CROSS OVER, YOU WOULD NEED TO PUT A BRIDGE IN AT THREE, A FIVE IS THIS LINEAR PARK ALONG THE FLOODPLAIN THAT ALSO HAS A HEALING GARDEN, WHICH WE'LL GET INTO MORE DETAIL.

THE, UH, LIGHTNING BOLT THAT YOU SEE HERE IS THE MOST LIKELY LOCATION OF A NEW POWER PLANT TO SUPPORT THE HOSPITAL.

THEY WILL NEED TO PUT IN A NEW POWER PLANT AND ORIGINALLY IT WAS GOING TO GO HERE AND, UH, THROUGH CONVERSATIONS, WE THOUGHT WE, THEY HEARD US AND SAID, OH, MAYBE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO PUT IT RIGHT ON SHILOH DIRECTLY AND PUT IT BACK IN THIS PARKING LOT, WHICH THEY DO NOT ANTICIPATE NEEDING.

UM, ON SIX IS AT SOME POINT THERE IS GOING TO NEED TO BE, UH, A NEW TRAFFIC LIGHT.

AND I KNEW A STOP SIGN, OR I KNEW A BUS STOPS IN HERE.

AND THE REASON WHY IS THAT THE MAIN PEDESTRIAN ENTRANCE TO THE HOSPITAL IS GOING TO BE RIGHT HERE.

UM, IT'S, THEY'RE MOVING IT.

THIS WILL STILL BE A CAR ENTRANCE.

THIS IS STILL BEING USED.

CARS WILL STILL THEY'LL GET HERE, BUT FOR SECURITY REASONS, THIS IS WHERE THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS GOING TO BE.

AND OUR ANTICIPATION IS THIS IS WHERE MOST OF THE TRAFFIC'S WAY TO BE.

IT MAY END UP MOVING DOWN TO ONE OF THESE OTHER CROSS STREETS, UH, DEPENDING UPON WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE DEVELOPER AND ANY PROPOSALS THEY MAY COME FORTH WITH.

UM, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS THE PLAN.

THE OTHER ONE IS TO CREATE A PEDESTRIAN SHARED USE PATH THROUGH HERE, WHICH WILL, UH, GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, UH, CONNECTING THE HOSPITAL AREA TO THE SHOPPING CENTER.

UM, THE BIKE TRAIL WOULD CONTINUE DOWN, UM, BECAUSE OF CONSTRAINTS.

THERE IS NOT ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY BEHIND OF THIS HOUSING COMPLEX TO BRING IT DOWN ALONG THE CREEK AND THEN A SERIES OF, UH, WALNUT STREET IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT.

UM, SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU MAY BE ASKING IS WHY DID WE NOT TALK MUCH ABOUT SHILOH? SHILOH IS UNDERGOING A PRETTY EXTENSIVE STUDY, UH, FOR SOME WIDENING AND A SERIES OF OTHER THINGS.

AND, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S A NUMBER OF MOVING PARTS,

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BOTH WHERE THIS ENTRANCE MIGHT BE, UH, WHAT HAPPENS WITH ENTRANCES HERE, THESE ACCURATE CROSSING OPTIONS HERE, AND THE SHILOH STREET STUDY THAT IS, UM, MAYBE FORTHCOMING.

WE DECIDED TO, UH, JUST BASICALLY IDENTIFY A FEW PRINCIPLES, WHICH ARE TO RE WHICH REFLECT, WHICH ARE REFLECTED IN OUR SUGGESTION FOR WALNUT.

SO OUR SUGGESTION FOR WALNUT STREET, THIS IS THE EXISTING, UM, CROSS SECTION.

AND THIS IS WHAT WE THINK IS POTENTIALLY POSSIBLE.

UH, WE THINK THERE IS ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS WITHOUT ACQUIRING PROPERTY, BUT IT WILL NEED TO BE SURVEYED BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE TIGHT.

UM, BUT WE THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE ENOUGH.

AND BASICALLY YOU WOULD KEEP THE A TWO WAY TURN LANE OF THE STREET TREES.

THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME ISSUES WITH THE STREET TREES AND AS IT RELATES TO BLOCKING VIEWS COMING IN AND OUT OF THE SHOPPING CENTERS, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY ARE, THEY ARE POSSIBLE, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS A SUGGESTION.

AND WE, WE HAD DRAFTED TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, AND THIS IS THE ONE BETWEEN THE STAFF AND THROUGH THE STAKEHOLDER PROCESS, EVERYBODY, UH, WAS THE MOST COMFORTABLE WITH.

THE OTHER THING IS TOO, UH, WHEN THE RFP FIRST CAME OUT IN OUR RESPONSE, IT WAS TO HOW DO WE LINK THE MEDICAL CAMPUS TO THE FOREST SUPER STATION UPON OUR ANALYSIS, AND THEN OUR VISIT OUT THERE.

IT BECAME REALLY CLEAR THAT YOU COULD ALSO EASILY LINK IT TO THE DOWNTOWN.

UM, THEY'RE BASICALLY BOTH THE SAME AMOUNT OF DISTANCE AND GIVEN WHAT OUR IDEAS ARE FOR SOME OF THE WAYS TO IMPROVE, UH, SOME OF THE EXPERIENCES IN THIS DISTRICT, UH, THE DOWNTOWN COULD ACTUALLY HELP COMPLIMENT, PARTICULARLY AS THE FOREST JUPITER AREA, UH, AS YOU KNOW, WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH SOME KIND OF REDEVELOPMENT PLANNING COULD CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT IT'S MOSTLY INDUSTRIAL THIS POINT, AND THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR A SHUTTLE LOOP.

UM, WE'LL GET INTO SOME OF THIS IN THE IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS.

OBVIOUSLY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE, UH, CONVERSATIONS WITH DART AND POSSIBLY WITH THE BA AS IT RELATES TO A TDM APPROACH OR SOME OR SOMETHING ELSE, BUT THERE ARE STOPS ALONG THIS THAT WOULD MAKE, UH, FOR THE PET POTENTIAL FOR SOME KIND OF A SHUTTLE LOOP OPTION.

SO OUR NEXT ONE IS THAT WE WANT TO REALLY CREATE A PLACE, UM, THROUGH SOME PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND A TRAIL DEVELOPMENT, UH, ALONG THE CREEK, UH, THE HIGHLIGHTS IN THE CURB APPEAL, UM, THERE'S, UH, RATHER THAN, UH, GOING IN FOR A MAJOR REDEVELOPMENT, THERE'S A RECENT SUBSTANTIAL TENANT EDITION AND THE SHOPPING CENTER.

THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY ABOUT WHAT RETAIL WILL LOOK LIKE.

UM, THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE MARKET WOULD NOT LEND ITSELF EASILY TO SOME TYPE OF HIGHER END OR EVEN UPPER MIDDLE END TYPE, UH, RETAIL OPTION THERE.

UH, BUT WE DO THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE THE MARKET AREA AND ITS DIVERSITY TO CREATE A PRETTY UNIQUE EXPERIENCE THAT IS NOT UNCOMMON ALREADY THROUGHOUT DIFFERENT PARTS OF DFW.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE IS THE EXISTING DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THE OTHER PART IS THAT THE TENANT MIX ALREADY SUGGESTED THE DIVERSITY.

UM, THERE ARE PRECEDENTS ALL OVER THE PLACE ABOUT ETHNIC FOCUS, SHOPPING, PLAZAS.

UM, AND THEN WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE GROWING DOWNTOWN, THE ADDITION TO THE RIVERSIDE COMMUNITY, THIS IS THE ONE PLACE THAT'S IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO AND WITH SOME GOOD CONNECTIVITY, THE ENERGY, THE POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS OUT OF THOSE PLACES COULD HELP SUPPORT THIS.

AND SO WHAT DO WE MEAN BY THAT? WHAT WE'RE THINKING OF IS THINKING ABOUT IT BY LOOKING AT THIS THROUGH THE LENS OF PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE.

UM, SO THAT WOULD MEAN SOME FACADE, SOME OUTDOOR DINING AND SOME PROGRAMMING, AND I'M GOING TO PROVIDE SOME MORE DETAIL HERE IN A MINUTE, BUT THIS JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU THE OVERVIEW ABOUT USING PARKLETS FOR OUTDOOR DINING, MANAGING SOME CURB CUTS, UH, DOING SOME MURALS ON SOME OF THE WALLS, FACADE, SIGNAGE OPTIONS, PATIO, DINING OPTIONS.

UM, AND THEN THIS REMOVING THIS FENCE, WHICH WE LEARNED WAS ACTUALLY NOT PUT UP BY THE SHOPPING CENTER PERSON THAT WAS ACTUALLY PUT UP BY THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING OWNER AS A, AS A SECURITY ISSUE.

AND SO WHAT WOULD THIS LOOK LIKE? SO ONE IS THE SHARED USE PATH, WHICH WOULD GO BACK WHERE THIS AT THIS, ESSENTIALLY, IT LOOKS LIKE AN ALLEY NOW, BUT IT'S WHAT IT'S FENCED OFF.

SO YOU CAN NOT WALK THROUGH THIS AT ALL.

AND, AND WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER HERE JUST QUICKLY IS AT BUILD OUT OF THE HOSPITAL.

THEY'RE ANTICIPATED ABOUT 800 EMPLOYEES AND ABOUT 30,000 PATIENT VISITS.

SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A NUCLEUS OF ACTIVITY THERE THAT DOES NOT EXIST RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT COULD SERVE AS A, AS A BASE FOR SOME OF THIS.

AND SO THE SUGGESTION IS TO, UH, DO SOMETHING THAT'S SUPER SIMPLE WITH JUST PAINT, UH, SOMETHING THAT LOOKS AND FEELS LIKE AN ALLEY.

THIS IS, UH, IN GREENVILLE,

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SOUTH CAROLINA DELIVERY TRUCK IN THE BACK HERE, THERE ARE SOME BOLLARDS THAT CAN BE REMOVED.

SO THE GARBAGE AND DELIVERY CAN GO BACK, BACK AND FORTH THROUGH IT, BUT IT'S ALSO A PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY, OR YOU CAN DO SOMETHING EVEN MORE ELABORATE.

THIS IS AN ALLENTOWN, PENNSYLVANIA, WHERE THE WALKWAY IS SEPARATED FROM THE, UH, TRUCK FROM THE, FROM THE SERVICE LANE.

YOU CAN SEE THE BOLLARDS HERE AND WITH LIGHTING AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS.

SO THERE'S A, THIS IS AN OPTION.

UH, IT HAS A FANCY NAME IT'S KNOWN AS A WINNER, WHICH IS A DUTCH, UH, PHRASE, BUT, UH, BASICALLY THERE IS A WAY TO BLEND THE ALLEY.

IT'S A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND BEING ABLE FOR IT TO SERVE, UM, THEN SOME FACADE AND SIGNAGE, UM, OPTIONS.

UM, THE, UH, THESE ARE JUST SOME EXAMPLES YOU CAN SEE HERE.

YOU COULD IMAGINE THAT GIANT BRICK WALL, THEY'RE HAVING SOME KIND OF INTERESTING PAINT, AND OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THE CHINATOWN OF RICHARDSON AND YOU HAVE A VERSION OF IT IN GARLAND AS WELL WITH THE VIETNAMESE.

UM, AND THEN THIS IS EXAMPLES OF APARTMENTS AND OUTDOOR DINING.

WHAT COULD HAPPEN.

THESE ARE SIMPLE TO MOVE.

THERE ARE SOME ISSUES WE'D HAVE TO MANAGE THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT HOW THESE WERE DONE DOES NOT TRIGGER, UM, SOME NON-COMPLIANCE ISSUES AND SOME NON-CONFORMING ISSUES AS IT RELATES TO PARKING RATIOS, BUT THOSE CAN ALL BE MANAGED THROUGH.

AND THEN THE BIG, THE BIG PROJECT IS THE DUCK CREEK TRAIL AND, UM, AND, UH, HEALING GARDENS, THE, THE VA, UH, TALKED TO US EARLY ON ABOUT THE IDEA OF HAVING A HEALING GARDEN, AS WELL AS MAKING SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CREEK.

UH, PART OF THEIR CONCERN ABOUT THE CREEK IS ALSO A SECURITY ISSUE.

AND, UM, WHEN YOU TAKE THE IDEA THAT THE CITY TRAILS, A BIKEWAY PLAN ALREADY RECOMMENDS THIS, THE IDEA ALONG THE MULTI-USE OF LONG DUCK CREEK, WE CAN BLEND THE IDEA OF A HEALING GARDEN IN THERE.

AND WHAT WE FOUND IS THIS EXAMPLE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, WHICH IS THE GREEN ROAD PROJECT, WHICH IS AT, UH, THE FESTA AND WALTER REED.

UM, AND SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THIS PRETTY EASILY BEING ALONG DUCK CREEK, UH, IN SOME FORM.

UM, AND THE GREAT THING ABOUT IT IS THAT IT'S, IT'S A CONCEPT THAT THE MILITARY AND THE VA HAVE ALREADY DONE.

AND SO IT REALLY BECOMES A QUESTION OF JUST COMING UP WITH A PARTNERSHIP MODEL THAT WORKS TO GET ACCESS TO A PORTION OF THE VA PROPERTY THAT ACTUALLY SITS IN THE FLOOD PLAIN, WHICH IS WHERE WE WOULD USE PART OF THAT FOR THE HEALING GARDEN CONCEPT.

NEXT ONE IS PROMOTE THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, AS A MEDICAL CAMPUS.

UM, THE, OH, WE DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU ALL THE HOUSING MARKET IS REALLY HOT.

YOU CAN LOOK AT HOW MUCH PRICES HAVE RISEN, UM, UH, QUARTERLY IN GARLAND.

AND THIS IS MEDIAN HOME PRICES.

UH, THE HOME OWNERSHIP PERCENTAGE IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, UH, DECLINING AS WELL AS IN DARWIN OVERALL.

AND SO THAT IS SUGGESTING THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DEMAND FOR RENTAL.

UM, AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, ALL OF THESE, UH, ORANGE DOTS ARE, UH, WHERE INVESTMENTS BEEN TAKING PLACE ACROSS THE CITY.

AND THE BIG ONES ARE WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL IS AND A COMBINATION OF LARGE PARCELS AND THE UNDER UTILIZATION COULD MAKE IT VERY TEMPTING FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THE ONE THING THAT IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE VA, UM, THAT WHAT THE SURROUNDING USES ARE, IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE VA TO MAINTAIN AN OPEN CAMPUS.

AND WHAT DOES AN OPEN CAMPUS MEAN IF YOU GO TO MOST TYPICAL VA FACILITIES, PARTICULARLY LARGE MEDICAL FACILITIES LIKE THIS ONE, IT'S USUALLY SURROUNDED BY A FENCE WITH SECURE, WITH A SECURE GUARD ACCESS WITH THE PROPER MANAGEMENT AND MAKING SURE THAT THE USES SURROUNDING THE VA CENTER ARE COMPATIBLE.

IT IS POTENTIAL.

IT IS POSSIBLE AS OF RIGHT NOW, UM, TO MAINTAIN THIS AS AN OPEN CAMPUS WITHOUT THE FENCES, BUT DEPENDING UPON WHAT THE USES WERE THAT WOULD COME IN, THEY MAY FEEL THE NEED TO PUT IN FENCES.

SO HOUSING MAY MAKE SENSE ON SOME OF THE SELECTED SITES, PARTICULARLY WHERE, UM, THERE'S, UH, THERE'S SOME KIND OF BUFFER, WHETHER IT'S ANOTHER BUILDING ANOTHER USE IN BETWEEN THE BA, ET CETERA, OUR TAKE IS THAT THE LAND SURROUNDING THE HOSPITAL SHOULD BE, UH, MAINTAIN IT, MAINTAIN A CLINICAL NATURE, BUT ALSO ALLOW FOR EDUCATIONAL TRAINING AND ANCILLARY USES THAT, YOU KNOW, SMALL SCALE RETAIL THINGS LIKE, UM, BRIGHT CLEANERS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT CAN, UH, THAT ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE VA.

UH, IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER ALSO THAT THE VA IS A MAJOR TEACHING FACILITY AND THEY DO ANTICIPATE HAVING RESIDENTS IN THIS FACILITY AS WELL.

SO THIS IDEA OF SOME EDUCATIONAL AND TRAINING USES IN AND AROUND THAT COULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE AS WELL.

SO THE PLAN AND THE SCENARIOS.

UM, SO WHAT WE DID IS WE CREATED A, UM, A SERIES OF, UH, SCENARIOS WITH SOME OF THE FOLLOWING ASSUMPTIONS, WHICH

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YOU CAN SEE THERE.

UH, WE ASSUMED IS THAT AS I POINTED OUT THAT THE EXISTING HOUSING STOCK WOULD REMAIN UNCHANGED, UH, THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD REQUIRE A MAJOR INCREASE IN DENSITY TO BUILD ANY KIND OF RATIONALE TO TEAR IT DOWN FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.

UM, THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL PLAN AT PLAZA WOULD STAY AS IS BECAUSE OF THE NEW TENANT, UH, WITH A LONG-TERM LEASE, UM, AND PROBABLY WILL NOT CHANGE FOR AT LEAST FOR POTENTIALLY TENDED.

I THINK IT'S A 10 YEAR LEASE.

UM, THERE ARE SOME VACANCIES, BUT THEY ALSO, UH, WITHIN THE MEDICAL BUILDINGS, BUT THEY DO HAVE ACTIVE CLINICAL TENANTS AND SOME HAVE RECENTLY RENEWED THEIR LEASES.

SO HOW THOSE UNFOLD IS, UH, IS NOT CLEAR EITHER, BUT THERE ARE TWO, UH, GREENFIELD SITES AND THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY.

THERE IS A HOUSING IS LIKELY TO BE THE GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY AND OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE CITY, UH, ASKED THE CITY STAFF ASKED US WAS HOW MUCH HOUSING CAN BE BUILT WITHOUT HAVING TO BUILD A PARKING DECK.

AND WHAT IS THE LEAST AMOUNT OF HOUSING THAT COULD BE BUILT THAT WOULD REQUIRE A PARKING DECK.

AND WHAT WOULD A MODEL OF HOUSING LOOK LIKE THAT MIGHT BE ATTRACTIVE TO WORKERS AT THE HOSPITAL AND CLINICS.

AND THEN FINALLY, IF WE DID BUILD OUT ADDITIONAL MEDICAL CAPACITY, UM, ON THE, UH, WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE BAYLOR SIDE OR THE LARGE EMPTY INDUSTRIAL SIDE, THAT'S JUST OFF OF WALNUT.

UM, BUT HOW MUCH COULD FIT ON THAT, UM, AND PARK WITHOUT A GARAGE.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE MAP OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE, UM, THIS IS THE PROPOSED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ALREADY KIND OF IN THE WORKS.

SO THAT IS AS IS, UH, THIS INCLUDES ALL OF THE MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THIS IS THE PLAN MEDICAL DISTRICT IDEA, WHICH WOULD BE DONE AS A, A PD.

UM, AND THEN WE DID A, WE DID A SERIES OF DEVELOPMENT SCENARIOS FOR WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS PARCEL 10 AND INCLUDING ONE OF WHICH COULD BE MAINTAINING IT AS AN INDUSTRIAL, UM, MAINTAINING THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE, DEPENDING UPON HOW YOU WANT IT, HOW THIS GOT APPROACHED.

AND WE'LL EXPLAIN WHY IN A SECOND.

SO DEVELOPMENT SCENARIO, ONE ADDRESSES THE QUESTION OF WHAT DO WE DO HERE, UM, THAT COULD BUILD HOUSING THAT MIGHT BE ATTRACTIVE TO THE MEDICAL STAFF, UH, AND, UH, ANCILLARY SUPPORT MEDICAL STAFF AT THE HOSPITAL.

AND WHAT WE LOOKED AT WAS A SERIES OF TOWNHOUSE KIND OF CONCEPTS, UM, AND THAT CAN SUPPORT 116 UNITS THERE.

THERE WOULD ALSO BE SOME SMALL COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE HERE ALONG WALNUT STREET.

IT IS BIG ENOUGH THAT IT COULD BE A SMALLER HOTEL.

THE VA, UH, GIVEN WHAT ITS SERVICE PORTFOLIO IS GOING TO BE HERE, THEY DO ANTICIPATE THE NEED FOR, UH, PATIENTS TO POSSIBLY NEED TO BE ABLE TO STAY OVER, UM, AND BE MONITORED FOR A WHILE, OR HAVE FAMILY STAY WHILE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH DIFFERENT TREATMENTS AND PROCEDURES.

SO THERE IS POTENTIALLY A NEED FOR HOTEL.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A HIGH-END MOTEL, BUT IT, YOU COULD SEE SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE A HILTON GARDEN MAN, OR RESIDENTS, PARTICULARLY THE NEW RESIDENTS IN MODEL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD, WE WOULD HOPE FOR, UM, FIVE IS THE, THIS IS WHERE THE COSMETIC CHANGES WOULD TAKE PLACE ALONG THE SHOPPING.

AND THEN FOR THESE FACILITIES, AND HERE WOULD BE, UH, REDUCED TO THIS IDEA, THE MEDICAL DISTRICT, FOR SURE, WHICH IS THE CLINICAL EDUCATIONAL TRAINING AND SOME SUPPORTED USES SCENARIO TO, UH, LOOKS AT THIS SITE AGAIN AS ANOTHER HOUSING MODEL, EVERYTHING ELSE STAYS THE SAME.

UM, THIS IS WHAT IS THE MEAT, WHAT IS THE LEAST AMOUNT OF HOUSING THAT COULD BE, BUT WOULD TRIGGER A PARKING DECK AND THAT'S A 340 UNITS OF HOUSING, AND IT WOULD, YOU WOULD NEED TWO DECKS DEPENDING UPON HOW IT WOULD CONFIGURE.

MAYBE IT WOULD ONLY BE ONE.

UM, AND AGAIN, THIS, EVERYTHING ELSE STAYS THE SAME WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THIS.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION.

THIS IS TO SIMPLY WAS A TEST FIT SO THAT THE STAFF COULD UNDERSTAND KIND OF ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OF DENSITY THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, WHERE THINGS LIKE PARKING DECKS MIGHT GET TRIGGERED.

AND THEN NUMBER THREE IS A, WE ADDED A CLINICAL OPERATION TO THIS SITE HERE.

SO THIS WOULD BE EVERYTHING WOULD BE DESIGNED AS A PD FOR MEDICAL AND WHAT YOU COULD FIT ON THIS SITE AND PARK IT, UM, IS AN 80 BED MEDICAL FACILITY OF SOME KIND.

UM, THERE IS AN INTEREST WE KNOW THAT THERE'S AN INTEREST IN, IN SOME KIND OF AMBULATORY, UH, EMERGENCY CARE TYPE SERVICE HERE, UH, COULD BE AN AMBULATORY SURGERY CENTER.

IT COULD BE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT BASICALLY YOU COULD FIT ABOUT 80,000 SQUARE FEET AND PARK IT, UM, TO SUPPORT THAT ON THIS, ON THIS PARCEL HERE.

SO THEN THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE IMPLEMENT IT,

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UH, ON THE IMPLEMENTATION? OUR FIRST SUGGESTION IS THAT WE ORGANIZE THAT THERE'D BE AN INTERNAL TEAM TO ORGANIZE IT.

UM, AND THE REASON WHY IS THIS IS A MULTI DISCIPLINARY APPROACH.

IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE PEOPLE FROM MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY.

UH, THAT'S UH, OUR SUGGESTION SUGGESTIONS, CITY MANAGER.

UH, YOU CAN SEE WHAT OUR KEY NEXT STEPS HERE, WHICH IS THE TEAM LEADER.

AND THERE ARE THREE MAJOR ENGAGEMENTS THAT HAVE TO TAKE PLACE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

UH, ONE IS THE VA RELATED TO THE HEALING GARDEN AND THE LAND, UH, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

UM, THE OTHER PIECE OF ENGAGEMENT IS WITH ONE A VILLAGE AROUND IMPROVEMENTS AND PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES, UM, TO MAKE SOME OF THE COSMETIC IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEN THE MEDICAL OFFICE OWNERS IN WALNUT VILLAGE ON THE SHARED USE CONNECTION AND HOW TO DO THAT.

UM, WE DON'T SEE ANY RESOURCES BEING REQUIRED.

THE MEDICAL DISTRICT PLAN DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, THAT'S CLEARLY PLANNING'S ROLE.

THEY NEED TO DO THE DRAFT PROPOSED ORDINANCE AND WHATEVER THE NECESSARY OUTREACH PROCESS WOULD BE.

UH, THE MEDICAL DISTRICT CREEK PARK, HEALING GARDEN AND TRAIL, UH, PARKS AND REC, UH, WOULD BE THE LEAD WITH PLANNING AND, UH, NEEDED TO PLAY A PART.

AGAIN, THEY NEED TO WORK WITH THE VA TO SECURE AN AGREEMENT, REBOOTING THE USE OF THAT PROPERTY.

UM, IT'S GOING TO BE A FEDERAL PROCESS.

SO IT MIGHT BE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE STEPS ALONG THE WAY THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW THE LOCAL VA IS INTERESTED IN, AND IT'S ALSO, BUT IT'S ALSO HAPPENING IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.

SO IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO INVENT THE WHEEL HERE AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A MORE DETAILED CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UH, TAKING OUR CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND DOING IT MORE IN MORE DEPTH, AND THEN BEGIN THINKING ABOUT DESIGN AND ENGINEERING.

AND THERE'S A FEW KEY QUESTIONS AROUND SOME OF THE BRIDGES AND THE UNDERPASSES.

AND WE DO THINK THERE IS A VARIETY OF FUNDS THAT ARE POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE.

THERE MAY BE SOME TIFF LINES.

IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THE CITY BOND FUNDS WITH, SINCE SOME OF THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.

AND THERE MAY BE A POTENTIAL FEDERAL FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH THE VA AND MAYBE THE DOD, THE OTHER PIECES THAT, UM, REALLY KIND OF DEVELOP THIS AS A BRAND IDENTITY AS A MEDICAL DISTRICT.

UH, AGAIN, IT WOULD BE PART OF THIS INTERNAL TEAM THAT WOULD NEED TO DO IT AND JUST CREATE A DESIGN FOR THEM TO DO IT.

UM, AND THEN SOURCES OF MONEY.

IT COULD BE DEPENDING UPON WHAT, HOW THE TIF FUNDS COULD BE USED, MAYBE THE TIP FUNDS OR JUST APPROPRIATIONS OUT OF THE CITY'S OPERATING BUDGET, EXCUSE ME, ON THE, UM, WALNUT STREET PIECE, THIS IS TRANSPORTATION.

THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME MORE DETAIL DESIGN OF THE SECTIONS AND HOW WE INCORPORATE THE DUCK CREEK IDEAS.

AND THERE DOES NEED TO BE, EXCUSE ME, AN EXAMINATION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.

IF IT, PROPERTY ACQUISITION WILL, IF PROPERTY ACQUISITION IS REQUIRED.

AND THEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, WILL NEED TO BE LOOKED AT IS IF THE MAN ACQUISITION IS REQUIRED IS THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO BE SOME KIND OF ADJUSTMENT TO THE SHOPPING CENTER PARKING RATIO.

SO THEY DON'T BECOME NON-CONFORMING.

UH, AND ON THE CURB APPEAL, THIS IS GOING TO REQUIRE, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE REINSTITUTING SOME PROGRAMS AND MAYBE DOING SOME INTERNAL REVIEW.

THIS IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITH PLANNING AND PARKS.

UM, AGAIN, IT'S WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, ABOUT SOME OF THIS AND WHETHER, AND MAKING SURE THAT THE CITY IS WILLING TO SUPPORT SOME OF THE PUBLIC ART AND TEMPORARY STRUCTURES, ET CETERA.

THE CITY HAS HAD A TEMPORARY PARTNER PROGRAM.

UM, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE RE-INSTITUTED FOR HOW IT WILL WORK IN A PRIVATE PROPERTY SITUATION, UM, AND MAKING SURE THAT THE REGULATION, WHEN IT COMES FORWARD, IT SUDDENLY DOESN'T TRIGGER SOMETHING ELSE AS IT RELATES TO PARKING.

UH, ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE THE POP-UP, UH, ANY POP-UP BUSINESS REQUIREMENTS ARE PRETTY EASY TO DO FROM A LAUNCH AND LICENSING PERSPECTIVE.

AND OUR TAKE IS TO USE THIS CONCEPT HERE, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS CURB APPEAL IDEA, AND SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS AREA CONSIDERED THIS AS A DEMONSTRATION OR A PILOT PROGRAM THAT YOU CAN, UH, LIVE WITH AND LEARN FROM AND APPLY TO OTHER, UM, FADING COMMERCIAL DISTRICT COMMERCIAL CENTERS AROUND THE CITY.

AND THERE'S A, AGAIN, IT COULD BE S UH, OPERATING FUNDS GRANTS, UH, THERE, THE PUBLIC, THE VITALITY URBAN THE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY FUND, UH, HAS, UH, CAN BE USED FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS BASED UPON OUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE SOURCES AND USES WHAT ITS USES CAN BE BASED ON THE SOURCE.

AND THEN, UM, OUR NEXT TO THE LAST TWO IS IMPROVED SHILOH ROAD.

UH, THERE NEEDS TO BE, UH, SEEK FUNDING FOR CONTINUED PLANNING AND ENGINEERING.

UM, THEY ARE DOING SOME, UH, PAVEMENT REPAIRS NOW, AND THIS IS GOING TO END UP BEING A MIX OF FUNDING, UH, MONDAY, UH, FUNDING SOURCES.

AND THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT THE PRINCIPLES

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OF WALKABILITY AND CONNECTIVITY JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT I'LL GET APPLIED HERE.

AND THEN FINALLY, UM, THE FEASIBILITY OF A SHUTTLE LOOP, WHAT WE DO KNOW IS LOOKING AT THE VA AND SOME OF THE KEY PROPERTY OWNERS AROUND A POTENTIAL SHUTTLE SHUTTLE, UH, THERE NEEDS TO BE, UH, UH, ANALYSIS OF THE VOLUMES.

UM, THERE IS, UH, SOME WORK, UM, THE SHUTTLE LOOP AND HOW A OVERALL FOREST JUPITER TRANSIT AREA PLAN MIGHT CONNECT TO EACH OTHER.

AND FINALLY, THERE ARE SOME ADJUSTMENTS THAT ARE GOING ON BY DART TO, UM, THE SERVICE IN THIS AREA THAT MAY EVEN MAKE IT MAY MORE EASILY LEND ITSELF TO ULTIMATELY BEING A LOOP SYSTEM.

UM, AND SO THE CITY SHOULD JUST BE, UH, MAINTAINING MONITOR, EXCUSE ME, MONITORING THAT AS WELL.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE QUESTIONS.

SO I, I'M GONNA START WITH ONE AND THEN I'LL OPEN IT UP TO EVERYBODY ELSE.

UM, YOU MENTIONED A POWER PLANT, UM, IS THIS JUST A DISTRIBUTION CENTER OF TRANSFORMERS? ARE THEY ACTUALLY LOOKING AT PUTTING A POWER PLANT THERE FOR POWER GENERATION? IT'S JUST IT'S GENERATION THERE.

THERE'S ALREADY ONE ON THE SIDE.

IT JUST NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

OKAY.

YEAH, I THOUGHT THERE WAS, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY WERE, YEAH, NO, IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY TYPICAL FOR A HOSPITAL TO HAVE ITS OWN POWER GENERATING SYSTEM.

UM, AND THEIRS IS AGED OUT.

OKAY.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, OR AT LEAST I TALKED ABOUT, I HAD A VISION THAT WE WOULD HAVE A LOCATION FOR LIKE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT FOR CROSS STATICS.

I FIGURED THAT WOULD BE A GOOD VEHICLE FOR THE, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN THE MILITARY THAT WERE INJURED, BUT IT COULD GO A LONG WAY AFTER THAT MAYBE TEAM UP WITH TEXAS INSTRUMENTS AND SOME OF THE ELECTRONICS COMPANIES.

HOW DID, UH, HOW DID IT COME UP WITH SOME REAL SOLID RESEARCH PLANS FOR REQUESTS? IS THERE ANY PLAN, IS THERE ANY ROOM FOR THAT IN THAT AREA? YEAH, THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM.

IT'S REALLY GOING TO, IT'S REALLY GOING DETERMINE, UM, LET ME GO BACK TO THIS.

UH, A LOT OF IT WILL DETERMINE WHAT THE BUILDING FORM IS.

UM, BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM TO DO THAT.

UM, LET ME GO, LIKE, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS RIGHT HERE, LIKE YOU COULD RAISE, LIKE, OUR, ONE OF OUR IDEAS WAS A VETERAN SERVICE HUB, UM, IN THIS BUILDING HERE, BUT IF YOU WERE TO REDEVELOP SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS, I MEAN, THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR THAT TYPE OF R AND D.

ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE SAID NOT CLINICAL EDUCATIONAL TRAINING, R AND D YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF USES ALL MAKE SENSE IN THIS DISTRICT, KEVIN WHO OWNS THE MEDICAL FACILITIES AROUND THE VA.

NOW THERE'S A NEW, THERE'S A POTENTIAL NEW OWNER, UH, JUDSON, DO YOU WANT TO GET INTO THIS OTHER IT'S ONE OWNER NOW? YEAH.

IF YOU GO TO KEVIN, IF YOU CAN GO TO THAT, UM, UNDER CAREER MAP.

UM, SO, UH, THE CITY'S WORKING WITH A DEVELOPER THAT HAS UNDER CONTRACTS, UH, EVERYTHING IN BLUE, AND THEN THE BLACK AND WHITE OUTLINE PARCEL RIGHT HERE.

ONE OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS ACTUALLY OWNS THAT ALREADY, UH, THAT SIX ACRES ON WALNUT.

UH, SO CITIES, YOU KNOW, HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER THAT HAS THIS PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT, AND, YOU KNOW, IN, IN GENERAL, UM, WHAT THIS WOULD BE A LONG-TERM PLAY FOR THEM.

BUT, UH, WHAT THEY WOULD WANT TO DO IS, UM, PUT SOME IMPROVEMENTS INTO THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON CLARA BARTON, UH, THE TWO BIG MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE.

THEY'RE ONLY ABOUT 50% LEASED UP RIGHT NOW.

SO THEY WANT TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS AND REALLY GO HEAVY ON MARKETING THOSE, THOSE PROPERTIES TO FILL THEM UP.

AND THEN THE TWO BUILDINGS ON WALTER REED, UM, THEY WOULD, UH, THEY'RE LOOKING REALLY AT, IF WE'RE GOING TO REDEVELOP AND, AND MAXIMIZE LAND AND DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA, UH, THOSE TWO WALTER REED PROPERTIES WOULD BE THE ONES THAT REALLY NEED TO BE REPOSITIONED AND, AND REDEVELOPED.

SO, UM, AND THEN THEY, THEY DO HAVE UNDER CONTRACT THE, UH, UH, DAVITA, UM, KIDNEY CENTER AS WELL.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE IN TIGHT COMMUNICATION WITH THEM AND, AND WORKING THROUGH THEIR PLANS, UH, THEY, THEY SPECIFICALLY DO HEALTHCARE DEVELOPMENT.

SO WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A GOOD DEVELOPMENT PARTNER AT THE TABLE, JUST FROM AN

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EYEBALL STANDPOINT.

IT LOOKS LIKE THAT IS ALMOST AS MUCH LAND AS THE VA ALL TOGETHER WITH THE SIX ACRES ON WALNUT.

IT'S ABOUT 24 ACRES THAT THEY HAVE CONTROL OF.

SO IT'S, IT'S SIGNIFICANT.

AND YOU KNOW, THIS RIGHT HERE.

YEAH.

MORE OR LESS AM I CORRECT IN MY MEMORY IS CORRECT.

THIS IS THE FIRST VA PROJECT OF THIS TYPE, UH, ANYWHERE IN THE U S THAT I KNOW PROBABLY NOT.

IT'S NOT THE NORM, THAT'S FOR SURE.

I BELIEVE IT'S CLOSE TO IT BECAUSE THE VA USUALLY DOES BUILD NEW PROPERTIES.

THEY DON'T TAKE OVER.

SO THIS MAY BE THE FIRST PROPERTY THAT THEY'VE ACTUALLY TAKEN OVER OF THIS SCALE.

YEAH.

AND PARTICULARLY ONE THAT'S RUNNING THAT WILL RUN AS AN INPATIENT FACILITY.

I MEAN, WE KNOW THAT THE VA IS LOOKING AT PUTTING IN A NURSING HOME, UH, AMBULATORY CENTER SERVICES THAT FOR CANCER AND SOME OTHER THINGS, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, INTERNAL MEDICINE CLINICS, IT'S ALSO GOING TO HAVE, UH, A WOMEN'S MEDICINE, UH, FACILITY INSIDE IT.

SO THERE'S SOME SEPARATION ISSUES THAT ARE GOING TO NEED TO BE DONE.

SO THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, A MULTI GOING TO BE A MULTIPURPOSE, UH, FACILITY FOR THE VA.

IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE JUST A DROP IN DOCTOR'S OFFICE.

THAT'S, THERE'S GOING TO BE REAL CLINICAL ACTIVITY TAKING PLACE THERE.

I GUESS ONE OF MY THOUGHTS WHEN YOU WERE TALKING WAS, UH, UH, I GUESS ANYTHING THAT WE CAN, CAN HELP FACILITATE WOULD BE TO, TO MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR THE HOSPITAL AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THE STAFF AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TO VISIT THERE, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE THE, AS I SEE IT, THE MAIN EMPHASIS OF THAT FACILITY, UM, MY, MY IMAGINATION ISN'T LARGE ENOUGH TO IMAGINE LEAVE, YOU SAID 7,000 EMPLOYEES, UH, NO, 800 EMPLOYEES, 30,800 EMPLOYEES, 30,000 VISITS.

THERE'S 30,000 VISITORS.

OKAY.

BUT, UH, ANY GIVEN TIME, THAT'S SEVERAL PEOPLE A DAY COMING IN AND OUT THERE'S ABSOLUTELY.

WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE THOUGHT THIS, UM, LET BE, GO TO, WHICH IS WHY WE THOUGHT THIS CONNECTION WAS SO IMPORTANT.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN, THERE'S AN ACTIVE MARKET HERE.

AND IF THE DEVELOPER'S PLANS, UH, COME TO FRUITION, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF, UH, PEOPLE WORKING HERE WHO ARE GONNA WANT TO GET OUT OF THE OFFICE AND AWAY FROM PATIENTS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.

AND THIS PLACE IS SITTING RIGHT HERE WITH SOME CURB IMPROVEMENTS, UH, CURB APPEAL IMPROVEMENTS, YOU KNOW, IT, IT CAN, IT CAN WORK.

SO THAT THAT'S, THE SHOPPING CENTER WAS VERY VIBRANT, UH, MANY YEARS AGO WHEN THE HOSPITAL WAS ON.

YEAH.

THIS WILL BE A DEFINITE CATALYST TO THE AREA.

SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYTHING? YES, I GOT IT.

I GOT A QUESTION, PATRICK, IN REGARDS TO, I KNOW, IN THE PRESENTATION, GREAT JOB ON THE PRESENTATION, BY THE WAY.

THANK YOU.

IN REGARDS TO THE, IN THE PRESENTATION YOU SPOKE ABOUT RETAIL.

UH, I GOT A TWO-FOLD QUESTIONS IN REGARD TO RETAIL.

NUMBER ONE, THE RETAIL, IS IT DESIGNED TO SET UP TO THE PUBLIC NUMBER ONE? AND NUMBER TWO, HAS ANY THOUGHT BEEN GIVEN BY SENDING UP A COMMISSARY? UM, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY COMMISSARY IN THIS, IN THIS CONTEXT? WELL, A COMMISSARY, YOU KNOW, WHAT A COMMISSARY IS, I'M ASSUMING, RIGHT? I DO.

YEAH.

THAT'S WHY I'M WONDERING WHAT YOU'RE THINKING IN THIS CONTENT.

WELL, WILL THERE BE AN AVENUE WHERE A COMMISSARY SET UP WHERE VETERANS CAN GO IN AND SHOP LIKE THEY DO AT THE ARMY AIR FORCE EXCHANGE AND OTHER COMPETENCIES WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY CAN BUY, BUY, BUY, PURCHASE MERCHANDISE, LIKE, LIKE OTHER COMMISSARIES THROUGHOUT THE METROPLEX? OR IS IT, OR IS THE THOUGHT PROCESS SET UP FOR RETAIL OPEN TO THE GENERAL, GENERAL PUBLIC AS A WHOLE? OR COULD YOU HAVE A COMBINATION THEREOF? YEAH.

THERE'S NO REASON WHY YOU COULDN'T DO BOTH.

I MEAN, OUR, OUR THINKING HERE IS THAT THIS IS OPEN TO THE, THIS WHOLE STRETCH WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

UM, LET ME GO TO THE PLANET.

YEAH.

OUR THINKING IS THAT THIS WOULD BE OPENED.

THIS IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION.

THE BA OWNS THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE, UM, WHICH THEY'RE NOT SURE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH IT'S NEXT TO THE FA I MEAN, THAT, THAT COULD SERVE IN THAT PURPOSE AS WELL, WHICH IS, UH, AS SOME KIND OF PX OR COMMISSARY KIND OF IDEA,

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RIGHT.

BECAUSE, BECAUSE I'M SORRY, SAIL, BECAUSE IF YOU TALKING ABOUT PUTTING HOUSING TOWNHOUSES, NUMBER ONE, AND THEN YOU TALKING ABOUT DOING, EXPLORING THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING OVERNIGHT STAY, A LOT OF THESE INDIVIDUALS, UH, FAMILY MEMBERS ARE, UH, ARE CONNECTED WITH, UH, BEING VETERANS.

THEY PROBABLY WANT TO EXPLORE THAT PROP, UH, UH, POSSIBILITY OF DOING, GOING TO A PX OR COMMISSARY TO PURCHASE MERCHANDISE ITEMS. I'M, I'M JUST, UH, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE TO SEE IF THAT, THAT HAS BEEN THOUGHT ABOUT THAT'S ALL, UH, IT HAD NOT BEEN THOUGHT ABOUT, I'VE NOT SEEN IT ON A VA CAMPUS BEFORE, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T HAPPEN.

OKAY.

GOOD IDEA.

DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE THE CLOSEST PX OR COMMISSARY IS RELATED TO THIS IN THE AREA? NO.

ARMY AIR FORCE, ARMY AIR FORCE EXCHANGE OFF OF 'EM.

OKAY.

IN DALLAS WAS THAT I CAN, I'M, I'M DRAWING A BLANK HERE.

UM, ON THE, UM, THE, UH, UH, I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE, UH, THE EXACT ADDRESS, BUT IT'S ONE IN DALLAS ON THE ARMY AIR FORCE EXCHANGE CAMPUS.

AND IT'S A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE, I MEAN, THE WHOLE IDEA OF VA IS TO SERVE THEIR VETERANS.

I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING BETTER THAN LIKE SHOPPING CONVENIENT FOR THEM WHILE THEY'RE THERE ANYWAY, COPPER HILL.

THAT'S WHAT IT IS BECAUSE COCKRELL HILL ON CONCRETE HILL AREA, THAT'S WHERE IT IS.

AND DOWN, IT'S QUITE A DISTANCE FROM HERE.

SO IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE WE'VE GOT ONE, THREE OR FOUR MILES FROM HERE.

CORRECT.

AND THAT'S WHY I, THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS SINCE THERE'S CONQUER HILL IN DALLAS IS QUITE A WAY FROM THE NEAREST, UH, COMMISSARY.

THIS WILL BE MORE VIABLE.

UH, JUST LIKE THE VA IN DALLAS, THIS WOULD BE MORE VIABLE FOR, FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE IN THIS GENERAL POPULATION AREA.

SO WILL A COMMISSARY, BUT ALSO ACCOMMODATE THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE HERE AS WELL.

RIGHT OUT HERE.

YEAH.

I THINK THAT COULD BE AN ACTUALLY AN INTERESTING TENANT FOR THE SHOPPING CENTER AS WELL.

IT'S REALLY GOOD.

THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS WITH THAT.

YEAH.

AND LIKE I SAID, THE, AND THE VA ALREADY OWNS THIS PORTION OF THIS BILL, THIS PORTION OF THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, WHICH THIS IS THE FACTORY IN IT ALREADY OWNS THIS PORTION OF IT, WHICH IS BASICALLY WAS, WAS A CUBE FARM, A CUBE FARM FOR THE HOSPITAL.

IT WAS BASICALLY ALL THE BACK OFFICE OPERATIONS WERE HERE.

NO, THE CLOSEST PX IS 36 MILES AWAY.

THAT WOULD BE THE SOUTH DALLAS WALTON WALKER BOULEVARD, WALTON WALKER.

RIGHT? YEP.

THAT'S UH, AND THAT'S THAT, I BELIEVE THAT THAT DISTANCE IS, IS PROBABLY LARGER THAN WHERE THE NEAR, NEAR HIS VA IS.

THE VA THE NEAREST VA HOSPITAL IS PROBABLY CLOSER THAN, THAN THE NEW YORK'S PX OR COMBINATION.

I THINK.

SO, KEVIN, YOU SAID SOMETHING IN YOUR DISCUSSION.

I MADE A SHORT NOTE ABOUT, UH, THE VA, I GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE OPEN OR CLOSED CAMPUS.

UH, WHEN WILL THEY DO THAT? CAUSE THAT THAT WOULD HAVE A LOT TO DO WITH THE ULTIMATE DESIGN THAT WAS HER WAY, OR HE WOULDN'T.

YES.

IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH ALSO WHAT THE USES ARE THAT ARE ALLOWED TO GO IN HERE.

UM, THERE, THE DECISION AND I, AND I HAVE PUDDING DECISION IN QUOTES, UM, WHICH MEANS IT'S WHAT THE, UH, IT'S WHAT THE STAFF, UH, PREFERS RIGHT NOW.

AND SO FAR HAS NOT BEEN TOLD OTHERWISE IS, UM, THAT THEY WILL BE ALLOWED TO HAVE AN OPEN CAMPUS.

THERE WILL HAVE TO BE SOME SECURITY THINGS DONE.

UM, AND LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT USES ARE SURROUNDING THE HOSPITAL.

THEY SECURITY IS ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE LACK OF, UH, TRANSPARENCY INTO DUCK CREEK RIGHT NOW, UM, FROM A VIEW PERSPECTIVE SO THAT THEY CAN MONITOR WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.

UM, AS YOU GUYS MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, I MEAN, THEY HAVE A FULL ON 24 HOUR FULL SECURITY PRESENCE, UH, DRIVING AROUND THIS.

SO THEY TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY.

AND IT'S ALSO ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY MOVED THE FORM, THE OLD ENTRANCE, WHICH WAS HERE, UH, TO, UH, PUTTING IT IN HERE.

SO THEY HAVE A BETTER SECURITY, UH, AND, AND NOT A CLEAN LINE OF SIGHT INTO THE FACILITY.

SO WHAT HAPPENS AROUND IT IS GOING TO MATTER A LOT.

SO THEN, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WENT WITH THIS KIND OF MEDICAL, UH, CLINICAL EDUCATIONAL, INSTITUTIONAL TYPE USES THAT ARE SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE CAMPUS.

IF, IF YOU PUT A LOW GRADE, I KNOW WALLS

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ARE EXPENSIVE AND FENCES ARE EXPENSIVE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT IF YOU, FOR A SECURITY PERSPECTIVE, NOT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A FORTRESS TO TAKE AWAY, TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE ATTRACTIVENESS OF THE WHOLE CAMPUS, BUT HAS THERE ANY THOUGHT BEEN GIVEN TO JUST BY HAVING A LOW GRADE WALL THAT THAT WAS, THAT WOULD GIVE SOME TYPE OF SEPARATION.

SO YOU WANT TO HAVE, UH, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE LOTTERY OF, DO WE WANT PEOPLE, WE WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME IN FROM THE PUBLIC TO BE INVITING, BUT HOW DO WE, HOW DO YOU SAY THAT, OKAY, THIS IS NOW YOU'RE IN A DIFFERENT ZONE.

AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT THE NORMAL ENVIRONMENT THAT, THAT FROM OTHER THAN ENVIRONMENTS DO, HAS, HAS THAT BEEN GIVEN HIM ANY THOUGHT, AS FAR AS HAVING LOW, LOW GRADE WALL OR, OR FENCING, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE UP TO THE VA, UM, AND THE VA SECURITY TEAM.

I THINK WHAT THEY WOULD PROBABLY LIKELY TO HAPPEN IS SOME FORM OF CONCRETE PLANTERS ALONG THIS EDGE, UM, TO SERVE AS A BARRIER, UH, TO KEEP THE VEHICLE FROM BEING ABLE TO DRIVE RIGHT IN THROUGH THE HOSPITAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THEY'RE REALLY TRYING TO AVOID FENCES AND WALLS.

GOTCHA.

UH, AS FAR AS THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT, CAUSE NOW I'M RAISING THAT QUESTION.

CAUSE IF I, IF I WAS A, UM, LET'S SAY IF I HAD AN UNCLE OR COUSIN OR A RELATIVE, A FAMILY MEMBER, AND I WANT TO STAY THERE OVERNIGHT SECURITY WHEN PEOPLE ARE STAYING SOMEWHERE OVERNIGHT, SECURITY IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE.

AND IF YOU PARK IN YOUR CAR THERE AND YOU WANT TO STAY A COUPLE OF NIGHTS TO VISIT A LOVED ONE, HOW, HOW SECURE WOULD THAT ENVIRONMENT BE? THAT'S, THAT'S THE THOUGHT PROCESS WHEN YOU HAVE AN OVERNIGHT OVERNIGHT STAY? YEAH.

THERE'S WELL, THERE'S CONSTANT PATROLS, SO, UM, AND CAMERA'S EVERYWHERE.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY, IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY SECURE.

I THINK IT'S MORE ABOUT KIND OF BUILDING SECURITY AGAIN, YOU KNOW, CAR DRIVING THROUGH THE IT'S, THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH IS WHY THEY CAUSE IF THEY, IF THEY DID IT THE OTHER WAY, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A FENCE AROUND ALL THE PROPERTY THEY OWN, WHICH BASICALLY GOES OUT TO HERE, UP THROUGH HERE AND OVER TO HERE.

AND, AND, AND, AND THEY DON'T WANT THAT.

AND I DON'T THINK THE CITY WANTS THAT EITHER.

SO I THINK FINDING WAYS TO COME UP WITH, UM, SOME THINGS THAT REDUCE THE PROBABILITY OF THAT HIGH SECURITY GUARD POSTS TYPE MODEL, WHICH IS PRETTY TYPICAL FOR MOST VA HOSPITALS TO AVOID THAT IS IT'S IN EVERYBODY'S INTEREST TO DO THAT.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT ME TO CLARIFY FOR THAT, UH, OH, FIVE AREA, THE DARK GREEN AREA.

SO THIS IS WHERE, WHO OWNS THAT PROPERTY.

THIS RIGHT NOW IS OWNED BY THE VA.

UM, THEY OWN IT TO THE FLOOD PLAIN, AND IT'S A PARKING LOT RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS SO PART OF THAT PARKING LOT IS GOING TO BE USED BY HOLD ON.

SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE VA'S PROPERTY BACK THROUGH HERE.

SO THE VA PROPERTY, IF YOU CAN SEE THIS LITTLE POINTER OR THE HAND THING BASICALLY RUNS ALONG LIKE THIS THROUGH HERE, WHICH IS WHY WE REALLY WANT TO AVOID A FENCE, UM, BECAUSE OF WHAT IT WOULD BASICALLY DO.

AND THIS IS WHERE THE POWER PLANT IS GOING TO BE.

THIS AREA IS ALSO A PARKING LOT, WHICH THEY DO NOT ANTICIPATE NEEDING.

AND SO THE IDEA WOULD BE TO WORK OUT A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING OR SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT WHERE THEY WOULD PROBABLY, I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO SPECULATE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

BASICALLY YOU GET A DEAL WITH THE VA THAT THIS BECOMES THIS PART OF THE PARCEL HERE, WHICH IS THE FIVE BECOMES WHERE THE LINEAR PARK HEALING GARDEN IS AND CONNECTS INTO THE TRAIL.

THEY'RE GOING, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT, THEY WANT TO PUT THE NURSING HOME IN WHERE THE MATERNITY WORD WAS AT THE OLD HOSPITAL, BECAUSE IT'S SET UP RIGHT.

AND THAT ACTUALLY HAS A SECURE PATIO RIGHT HERE.

THAT'S ALREADY IN EXISTENCE.

AND SO THE IDEA WOULD BE IS THAT IT WOULD EMPTY INTO THIS AND THEY COULD JUST, YOU COULD JUST STROLL OUT INTO THIS, INTO THE SPACE AND THIS WOULD BE A PUBLIC PARK.

THIS WOULD NOT BE A PRIVATE PARK.

AGAIN, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT BECOMES REALLY IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT WHAT ARE THE SURROUNDING USES THAT ARE GOING TO BE ALLOWED HERE, UM, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT COULD CREATE, THERE COULD BE A SECURITY THING THAT WOULD MAKE THIS VERY DIFFICULT TO DO.

UM, BUT CONCEPTUALLY, THIS WOULD BE THE PARK AND THE HEALING GARDEN IDEA.

AND IT WOULD LEAD INTO THIS, THE TRAIL WITH THE IDEA OF BEING IS LIKE THE THING THAT WE SHOWED YOU ON THE GREEN ROAD PROJECT IN BETHESDA AT WALTER REED.

BUT YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT VISIBILITY IN THAT AREA THAT LET ME WARN YOU ABOUT THE TREES, TREES.

YEAH.

OKAY.

IT'S THE, IT'S THE FOLIAGE AND THE

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DENSITY OF THE TREES AND THE UNDERBRUSH, AND BEING ABLE TO SEE INTO IT AND FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THERE FROM THE SECURITY PERSPECTIVE.

ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? UM, MR. CHAIR, WE DID HAVE A ONE ATTENDEE ROBERT SMITH WHO HAS RAISED HIS HAND A FEW I'LL DEFER TO YOU.

IF YOU WANT TO, UM, ALLOW SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, I CAN ALLOW HIM TO HERE.

MR. SMITH HAS ALWAYS ALLOWED.

ALL RIGHT.

I'VE I HAVE, UH, HE'S IN HERE AND UN-MUTED, HOPEFULLY I DID THAT RIGHT.

IF YOU'RE THERE MR. COUNCIL MEMBER, INDEED.

CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME ALL RIGHT? YES, SIR.

VERY GOOD.

I JUST POPPED ON ABOUT AN HOUR AGO AND RAISED MY HAND TO LET YOU KNOW IT WAS HERE AND LISTENING AND AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE JUST AS A RESOURCE.

THANK YOU.

YEP.

IT'D BE THE ONE TIME IN HISTORY.

I'M NOT GOING TO ASK MR. SMITH ANY QUESTIONS? UM, I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT OUTLINE.

I LIKE IT.

I LIKE THE DIRECTION IT'S HEADED.

UM, SO ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING FOR KEVIN AT THIS POINT? I'M GUESSING THAT'S A NO.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

THAT WAS GREAT.

UM, MS. DIRECTS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? YEAH, JUST, UM, AGAIN, OUR NEXT PLANS, NEXT STEPS ARE TO TAKE THIS TO PLAN COMMISSION, UM, AND THEN WORKSHOP IT WITH CITY COUNCIL AND THEN FORMAL APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL EVENTUALLY, UM, AFTER A RECOMMENDATION BY THE PLAN COMMISSION.

UH, SO THAT'LL HAPPEN IN JULY AND AUGUST.

AND, UM, JUST KEEP THINGS ROLLING ON, UH, IN PARALLEL WITH THIS, OF COURSE OUR TEAM IS, UH, TALKING ABOUT THIS TASK FORCE THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER, BASICALLY THE IMPLEMENTATION TEAM, UH, TO KEEP THINGS ROLLING ALONG, YOU KNOW, I, UH, PLANS ARE GREAT, BUT THEY'RE ONLY GREAT IF YOU IMPLEMENT THEM.

SO, UH, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON NOW AND GETTING THAT TEAM TOGETHER TO MOVE AHEAD WITH.

SO, UM, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S ABOUT IT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THEN

[3. Discuss Regular Meeting Schedule ADJOURN]

SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP, UM, IN OUR NEED IS WE'RE GETTING WAY MORE ACTIVE IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PROBABLY START HAVING REGULAR MEETINGS.

SO, UM, I WANTED TO ALSO OPEN IT UP TO MR. REX, SEE WHEN DISCUSSING REGULAR MEETINGS WITH THE BOARD WOULD BE, UM, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY IDEAS, IF ANYBODY'S GOT ANY OTHER COMMITMENTS, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN A LOT OF THINGS HERE.

SO MR. X, YOU WANT TO CHAT WITH US ABOUT THAT? THERE ARE.

SO, YEAH, I THINK, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PLAN EXPECTED AND, AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT AND, AND REALLY JUST WANTED TO KIND OF QUERY THE TIF BOARD ABOUT MEETING, UH, PERHAPS ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK MONTHLY IS PROBABLY A LITTLE TOO REGULAR AND WE MAY NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, CURRENT UPDATES AND DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON, BUT I WOULD THROW OUT A QUARTERLY AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, UH, GET TOGETHER WITH THE TIF BOARD.

UH, WE CAN UPDATE YOU ON THE IMPLEMENTATION.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT, UM, UH, THE PROJECT PLAN FINANCING PLAN, IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES THERE.

AND I REALLY JUST KEEP YOU GUYS ENGAGED IN WHAT'S GOING ON IN TIP THREE, UM, PERHAPS A SCHEDULE, AND I KNOW WE'RE AT THIS KIND OF THROW OFF SINCE WE HAD THIS MEETING IN, IN JUNE.

UH, BUT, UH, SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL WANT TO DO IN, IN JULY IS, UH, BRING THE BUDGET AND KIND OF UPDATE YOU ON THE BUDGET FOR THE TIF, THE TIF FUND.

UH, SO JULY THAT'S AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A RECURRING THING.

SO I THOUGHT, WELL, WHY DON'T WE START OFF WITH A REGULAR QUARTERLY MEETING IN JULY, UH, THAT WOULD PUT US IN, UH, OCTOBER, JANUARY AND APRIL IN TERMS OF A QUARTERLY SCHEDULE.

UM, SO I WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AND, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE AT LEAST BASED ON THIS MEETING THAT, UH, UH, EVENING WEDNESDAY EVENINGS FINE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN KIND OF WORK AROUND YOUR SCHEDULES, BUT, UH, IF WE, IF WE GO JULY, OCTOBER, JANUARY, AND APRIL, UH, YOU KNOW, THINK THAT WOULD WORK FOR, UH, JUST FOR UPDATES AND ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO GET IN FRONT OF THE TIFF BOARD.

SO KIND OF THROW THAT OUT THERE FOR, FOR COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK AND SEE WHAT Y'ALL THINK WHAT'S THE OVERALL TIMEFRAME DECISIONS, AND WHEN THIS IS GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED, OR I FEEL LIKE QUARTERLY MEETINGS FOR AN HOUR, A ORDER, DOESN'T GIVE US A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING

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AND IS THERE URGENCY OR HOW URGENT ARE WE TO GET THIS IMPLEMENTED? WELL, SO THERE'S A, I THINK RIGHT OFF THE BAT, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME, OBVIOUSLY SOME INITIAL WORK TO MAKE CONTACT AND START THE BALL ROLLING ON SOME THINGS THAT KEVIN TALKED ABOUT.

UH, BUT THIS IS ALSO VERY MUCH A LONG-TERM, UH, LONG-TERM PLAN, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT, THE ZONING INITIATIVES.

UM, I MEAN, IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO BE A LONG-TERM PLAN.

SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT KIND OF ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, BUT AGAIN, JUST THOUGHT QUARTERLY AT LEAST WOULD BE REGULAR FREQUENT ENOUGH.

OBVIOUSLY, IF SOMETHING CAME UP WHERE WE NEEDED ACTION, WE WE'D PULL THE BOARD TOGETHER AND GET YOU GUYS TOGETHER.

I GOT, I GOT ONE QUICK QUESTION.

UM, PATRICK, IN REGARDS TO THIS ESCALATING PRICES OF, OF REAL ESTATE AND PROPERTY, THIS, I GUESS THIS QUESTION IS DIRECTED AT MATT.

UM, WE HA WE SET A FINANCIAL PLAN AND WE'VE GOT A PLAN LAID OUT FINANCIALLY TO GO FORTH WITH, TO, TO MAKE IT, TO MAKE, TO IMPLEMENT EVERYTHING THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

HOW IS THAT GOING TO ALTER OR AFFECT WITH THESE PRICES OF DEVELOPMENT AND MATERIALS AND COST AND CONSTRUCTION? IS THAT TO IMPACT OR ALTER SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERED THE FINANCIAL PLAN OR THE PARAMETERS OF THE FINANCIAL PLAN THAT WE HAVE SET BEFORE? WELL, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT THE FINANCE PLAN IS GOING TO BE A VERY, VERY MUCH AN EVOLVING, UH, DOCUMENT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

AS, AS I'M SURE Y'ALL BEEN TALKING ABOUT ESCALATING PRICES.

WE ALSO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT, UH, THE, IF IT'S GENERATING, UH, AS YOU ALL KNOW, UH, THE EARLY STAGES OF THIS TIF IT'S TO PURCHASE LAND OR INTO A, UM, A LARGE SCALE PROJECTS.

SO MOST OF THE FINANCE PLAN WAS GEARED TOWARDS, UM, REALLY TAKING CARE OF, UH, PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TOWARDS THE LATER YEARS OF THE TIF.

BUT WE, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL ESTABLISHMENT AND OF THIS PLAN WAS JUST TO HAVE A KIND OF A FRAMEWORK IN PLACE, SO TO SPEAK AND, UH, BE ABLE TO ALTER THAT KIND OF ON THE FLY, UH, AS NEW PROJECTS SHOW UP BECAUSE AS JUDD AND EVERYONE KNOWS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS JUST KIND OF POP UP AND, UH, YOU GOT TO HIT WHILE HIT, YOU KNOW, STRIKE WHILE THE IRON'S HOT.

AND, UH, SO I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT FROM A, UH, A PLAN PERSPECTIVE, THIS PLAN CAN BE CHANGED ANY TIME.

AND I, I FULLY EXPECT THAT THAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO OCCUR, BUT FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT, AND THAT'S WHERE I GUESS MY JOB COMES INTO PLAY IS CAN WE FUND THESE THINGS WITH CASH? WHAT'S THE BEST MECHANISM TO GET THESE PROJECTS ON THE GROUND AND HOW CAN THE TIF HELP.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'LL COME INTO PLAY.

BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW IN THE EARLY STAGES OF THIS TIF, WE JUST HAVEN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TIFFS BEEN AROUND A YEAR, SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SPIT OFF, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE OVER, I THINK, AROUND $200,000 AT THIS POINT AND THAT, SO AT THIS POINT THAT THE CASH THAT'S AVAILABLE, UH, WON'T UM, BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF A LARGE SCALE PROJECT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT CAN'T ASSIST IN SOME WAY, UH, HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

UM, BUT THAT'S KIND OF HOW I'VE SEEN IT.

I THINK THING TO REMEMBER THERE IS THAT WHENEVER WE SET THAT PLAN IN MOTION, WE SAID THAT IT WOULD BE EVOLVING.

AND EVEN THOUGH WE WENT TO COUNCIL AND SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE SEE, WE DID SAY WE CAN CHANGE IT AT ANY TIME.

SO, AND THAT'S NOT AN ATYPICAL FOR A CITY OF GARLAND, UH, TO, UH, THE DOWNTOWN TIFF'S BEEN CHANGED, I BELIEVE, UH, FOUR TIMES NOW.

AND IT'S ALL BEEN DIRECTED TOWARDS PROJECTS, DIFFERENT CHANGE OF, YOU KNOW, PRIORITIES AND JUST FINDING A WAY WHERE THE TIF CAN ASSIST IN ENSURING THAT THE OVERALL SCHEME OF THE AREA, UH, GETS WET.

UH, ULTIMATELY WHAT THE BOARD, THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS IN PLACE.

SO THANKS A LOT, MAN.

THANK YOU, MATT.

UM, GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ADOPTING THE QUARTERLY MEETINGS FOR NOW? OBVIOUSLY IF WE NEED TO GET INFORMATION QUICKER, WE CAN MEET IF NEEDED.

UM, BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.

I THINK THE EVENINGS WORK BEST FOR EVERYBODY.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD