* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:06] WHAT ABOUT BEYOND, OH, I LOST MY THING TO HERE. WELL, GOOD EVENING. AND WELCOME TO THE MONDAY, JULY 5TH, 2021 WORK SESSION FOR THE GARLAND CITY COUNCIL. UH, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK, UH, HOUSEKEEPING THINGS. UH, THIS IS OUR FIRST IN-PERSON MEETING IN, UH, ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF. UH, SO WE, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS OLD AND NEW TO US ALL AT THE SAME TIME. UM, WE DO HAVE, UH, SOME NEW TECHNOLOGY AND SOME NEW, UH, SOME NEW GADGETS, IF YOU WILL. UM, BUT, UM, HOPEFULLY, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE ENOUGH TESTING AND RUN THROUGHS THAT, THAT EVERYTHING WILL RUN SMOOTHLY TONIGHT. UH, BUT PLEASE BE PATIENT. UM, IF WE DO, UH, IF WE DO HAVE SOME SORT OF A TECHNICAL ISSUE COME UP, UH, AND SPEAKING OF THAT, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE A NEW SYSTEM FOR, UH, FOR SPEAKERS. UH, WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE AWAY FROM THE YELLOW SPEAKER CARDS. WE HAVE THE KIOSKS OUT FRONT, WHICH, UH, WE DON'T NEED TO SEE EVENING, BUT, UH, WE WILL ALSO, UH, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE MEETING IN PERSON, WE ARE STILL ALLOWING FOR, UH, ZOOM SPEAKERS, UH, TO BE INVOLVED IN OUR MEETINGS AS WELL. AND SO, UH, WE'VE KIND OF HAD TO CHANGE UP OUR PROCEDURES A LITTLE BIT AND CITY SECRETARY. I DON'T THINK YOUR MIKE'S ON THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IS GIVEN TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY RATHER THAN TO QUESTION THE CITY COUNCIL OR STAFF. THE CHAIR MAY CALL A SPEAKER OUT OF ORDER. IF THE SPEAKER PRESENTS QUESTIONS OR REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION THAT WILL UNDULY DELAY THE TRANSACTION OF BUSINESS AT THE MEETING, SPEAKERS APPEARING IN THE CHAMBER WILL SPEAK FIRST AND THE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS WILL FOLLOW SPEAKERS SHALL BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK ON A FIRST COME FIRST TO SPEAK BASIS AS DETERMINED BY THE ORDER IN WHICH THE CITY SECRETARY RECEIVES THE SPEAKERS INFORMATION FOR VIRTUAL SPEAKERS. PLEASE USE THE RAISE YOUR HAND FEATURE ON ZOOM. IF YOU ARE DIALING IN FOR AUDIO, YOU MAY PRESS STAR NINE IN ORDER TO BE RECOGNIZED BY THE MODERATOR. ONCE THE LINE IS OPEN, THE SPEAKER CAN PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE. SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. WHEN THE PODIUM BUZZER SOUNDS, THE SPEAKER MUST END THEIR COMMENTS. VIRTUAL SPEAKERS WILL BE INFORMED BY THE CLERK WHEN THEIR TIME HAS ELAPSED. VERY GOOD. AND, UH, ALSO A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE TO OUR PROCEDURE. UH, THE CITY SECRETARY, UH, WILL ANNOUNCE, UH, THE, THE SPEAKERS, UM, RATHER THAN MYSELF. UH, SO, UH, THAT WILL BE SOMETHING WE WILL USE MOVING FORWARD WITH US AND WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL. SO ALL THAT BEING SAID, UH, LET'S, UH, LET'S GET INTO OUR AGENDA. FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT IS PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR WORK SESSION ITEMS. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THAT, BUT I WILL SAY, ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON WORK SESSION, AGENDA ITEMS. SO YOU CAN, YOU, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH ITEM [2. Consider the Consent Agenda] TO CONSIDER THE CONSENT AGENDA. THIS WILL BE FOR TOMORROW NIGHT. UH, I HAVE NOT SEEN OR HEARD OF ANY REQUESTS TO HAVE ANY ITEMS PULLED, UH, AND CONSIDERED SEPARATELY, BUT OBVIOUSLY, UH, IF YOU DO HAVE SOMETHING THAT COMES UP BEFORE THEN, UH, IF YOU CAN GIVE US A HEADS UP IN THAT WAY, WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE STAFF HERE TO ADDRESS IT. AND THAT WILL MOVE US [3. Written Briefing(s):] TO ITEM THREE WRITTEN BRIEFINGS ITEM THREE, A 2021 CIP BUDGET AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. ALL RIGHT. AND THAT IS ALL THE WRITTEN BRIEFINGS. NEXT IS OUR VERBAL BRIEFINGS [4A. Windsurf Bay Park ] ITEM FOR A WINDSURF BAY PARK. CAN YOU HEAR ME? NO, SIR. GIVE THAT A SHOT. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? THERE WE GO. OKAY. ALL I'VE GOT TO DO IS PUSH THE RIGHT BUTTON. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UM, UH, AS MOST OF YOU ARE AWARE OF, WE'VE HAD SOME CHALLENGES WITH WIND SURF BAY PARK. WE'VE HAD SOME, I KNOW WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS OVER THE PAST MANY YEARS AND INCLUDING RECENTLY, BUT WE'VE HAD SOME RECENT CHALLENGES IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS. SO I KNOW CHIEF BRIAN WITH POLICE, CHIEF LEE WITH FIRE, AND THEN ANDY HAS HER AND MATT AND PARKS HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER, UH, TO, UH, PUT TOGETHER A PRESENTATION FOR YOU TONIGHT. SO CHIEF BRIAN IS GOING TO COME UP AND DO THE PRESENTATION, BUT THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE ALL THOSE STAFF MEMBERS HERE IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. VERY GOOD, [00:05:02] GOOD EVENING COUNCIL, GOOD EVENING. AND WE'LL SAY THAT WHEN I PUT THIS PRESENTATION TOGETHER AND SAVED IT TO MY COMPUTER, IT WAS KIND OF DISHEARTENING TO SEE FOUR OTHER PRESENTATIONS TITLED WINDSOR PARK CITY COUNCIL. BUT, UH, IT DID REMIND ME OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO COME UP TO TO TODAY. AND JUST A PART OF OUR NEW EQUIPMENT COUNCIL. IF YOU GO TO PRESENTATION, YOU WILL HAVE THE PRESENTATION ON THE MONITOR IN FRONT OF YOU. AND I KNOW WE'VE, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND IT'S NEW, BUT HOPEFULLY WE ALL GET TO THAT SCREEN. GO AHEAD. READY? YES, SIR. UH, SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT STEPS HERE. ONE I'M GOING TO, I KNOW WE HAVE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS SINCE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHEN SIR PARK. SO I'M GOING TO GIVE A OVERVIEW OF THE HISTORY, UH, OF THE PROBLEMS WE'VE SEEN AT WINDSOR PARK. AND THEN I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT OUR CURRENT PLAN, OUR CURRENT PLAN FOR THIS SUMMER AND OUR CURRENT PLAN THAT, UH, IS TO GO INTO EFFECT NEXT SUMMER. AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND TELL YOU THAT WE'VE SEEN CHANGES AT WINDSOR PARK, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE, BUT WHY I THINK OUR CURRENT PLAN THIS SUMMER AND OUR PLAN NEXT SUMMER IS NOT GOING TO WORK. WE HAVE OTHER ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP AND THEN FINALLY, I'LL TALK ABOUT MY RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PART, A SO GO OVER AND OVER THE HISTORY. UH, IT WAS 2016 WHEN WE STARTED SEEING ISSUES AT THE PARK. UM, THIS WAS ABOUT THE TIME THAT COINCIDES WITH OTHER PARKS AND OTHER LOCATIONS CLOSING ACROSS THE LAKE. UH, THE ONE BIG PARK IN A ROCK WALL THAT HAS THAT NEW DEVELOPED CLOSE, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER PLACES THAT CLOSED. AND ONCE OUR PARK WAS KIND OF AS A SECLUDED SECRET LOCATION, WELL, THAT WORD GOT OUT. SO IN 2016 IS WHEN WE REALLY STARTED SEEING THE CROWD SHOW UP. AND, UH, JULY 4TH, 2016, WE'RE ESTIMATING, WE HAD ABOUT 5,000 PEOPLE INSIDE THE PARK. NOW WE STAFF THAT PARK AS IF WE WOULD HAVE STAFFED A SPECIAL EVENT. SO WE HAD 14 OFFICERS INSIDE THE PARK. WE HAD 10, UH, PARK STAFF, WORKING TRAFFIC AND WORKING PARKING. AND THEN WE HAD ADDITIONAL STAFF OUTSIDE OF THE PARK, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, DEALING WITH THE TRAFFIC ISSUES, UH, 2017, WE SAW SIMILAR NUMBERS. UM, WE SAW ANOTHER 5,000 PEOPLE IN 2017. AND AGAIN, WE PUT A LOT OF RESOURCES OUT OF THE PARK ON JULY 4TH, 2017 MEMORIAL DAY 2018 IS WHEN WE REALLY SAW NUMBERS EXPLODE. NOW JULY 4TH IS USUALLY OUR BUSIEST, UM, OUR BUSIEST DAY DURING THE SUMMER. AND IT'S USUALLY LATER IN THE SUMMER THAT WE SEE THE NUMBERS INCREASE, BUT MEMORIAL DAY 2018, WE SAW APPROXIMATELY 8,000 PEOPLE IN THE PARK AND IT JUST OVERWHELMED US. UM, THAT PARK IS NOT BUILT FOR 2,500 PEOPLE, MUCH LESS 8,000 PEOPLE. AND SO NOT ONLY DID OVERWHELM THE PARKING INSIDE THE PARK, WHICH IS DESIGNED TO PARK 500 VEHICLES. UM, IT OVERWHELMED THE FILM, THE, THE FIELD, UM, THAT WE HAD PEOPLE PARKING IN. IT OVERWHELMED THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, WE HAD PEOPLE PARKING AS FAR AS ON THE ROAD AND THE, UM, THE SERVICE ROAD AND, AND LUGGING GRILLS AND LOGGING COOLERS A MILE OR LONGER TO GET INTO THE PARK. SO IT'S JUST, UM, WE WERE EXPECTING AT THAT POINT, CLOSE TO 10,000 PEOPLE ON JULY 4TH, 2018. AND SO THE CITY, UH, CLOSED APART, UM, UH, WITH A STRONG ENCOURAGEMENT FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT JUST, WE HAD TO COME UP WITH A BETTER PLAN, 10,000 PEOPLE IN THAT PARK IS JUST TOO MANY PEOPLE. AND SO FOLLOWING THAT, UH, 2018 INTO THE SEASON OF 2019, UH, WE INTRODUCED THE CITY ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWED THE POLICE CHIEF TO CLOSE APART ONCE THE PART HIT, UH, 2,500 PEOPLE. AND SO I'LL SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF SLIDES HERE. UM, THIS SLIDE, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT 8,000 PEOPLE LOOK LIKE AT WINDSOR PARK, UM, THE SHORELINE IS COMPLETELY COVERED IN PEOPLE, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE INSIDE SWIMMING, UM, JUST HUGE NUMBERS THAT, THAT YEAR, UH, JUST YOUR REMINDER OF OUR ORDINANCE. AND WE DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE TO DWELL ON THIS UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT THE ORDINANCE LIMITS THE NUMBER OF TO 2,500 PEOPLE. AND THEN, UH, IF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT NOTIFIES ME, AND THEN AT THAT POINT, WE CLOSED APART. SO CONTINUING WITH THE HISTORY OF MEMORIAL DAY, UH, 2019 IS WHEN WE FIRST TESTED THAT, UH, CITY ORDINANCE. SO WE DID CLOSE THE PARK THAT DAY, UH, WHEN WE REACHED 2,500 PEOPLE. UM, AND WE HAD A LARGE STAFF OUT THERE, BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE PARK, MANAGING THAT CROWD, NOT JUST THE 2,500 PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP, BUT THE 3000 OR MORE PEOPLE THAT WE TURNED AWAY, UH, JULY 4TH, 2019, SAME THING. UM, WE MANAGED THE PARK, KEPT THAT AT 2,500, UH, AND THEN MANAGED, UM, THE [00:10:01] ADDITIONAL PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP OUTSIDE. NOW, THIS VIDEO I PULLED, UM, THIS IS AN OLDER VIDEO. THIS WAS JULY 4TH, 2016. SO I WANTED TO SHOW COUNSEL JUST REMINDS YOU WHAT 5,000 PEOPLE IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE PARK. UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS. IF YOU'LL PAY ATTENTION TO ONE IS, IS THE PARKING. NOW THEY'RE PARKED IN THE FIELD, BUT IF YOU LOOK THEY'RE PARKED ORDERLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NICE UNIFORM PARKING, AND I'M GOING TO POINT OUT WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT A LITTLE LATER IN MY PRESENTATION. BUT ON THIS DAY WE HAD ABOUT 10 STAFF, UH, UM, PARKING PEOPLE INTO THAT FIELD. UM, IT WAS A NICE DAY. THERE WAS NO ISSUES WITH THE GRASS. AND SO I'LL PLAY THIS. OOPS, I WENT TOO FAR SO AGAIN, THIS IS 2016. THERE'S ABOUT 5,000 PEOPLE IN THE PARK AT THIS TIME. THAT'S THE ONE HOUSE THAT'S LOCATED ON THE FAR END OF THE PARK. UM, WE, WE CREATED AN ADDITIONAL DRIVE THERE AND YOU CAN SEE THE CARS COMING IN. SO THEY'RE NOT COMING ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PARK TO GET TO THE PARKING SPACES. AND YOU SEE THE ROADWAY THERE, HOW CLEAR IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THERE'S NO PARKING ON THAT ROADWAY. THERE'S THERE'S VEHICLES TRAVELING, BUT THERE'S NO PARKING. THERE'S A PART OF THE PARK RIGHT HERE IS WHERE PEOPLE CAN ENTER THE PARK BY WALKING FROM THE SHORELINE, INTO THE WATER. AS YOU GO DOWN THE PARK AND YOU'LL SEE THE CAMERA PAN, IT GETS STEEPER. AND WHAT WE SEE IS PEOPLE BRINGING LADDERS. UM, AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN ACCESS THE WATER AS THEY CLIMB DOWN THESE LADDERS AND GET INTO THE WATER. THERE'S A LADDER THERE SO THAT'S JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT 5,000 PEOPLE LOOK LIKE IN THE PARK. NOW, THIS PART, EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE COME THERE TO SWIM, IT'S NOT DESIGNED AS A SWIMMING PARK. IT IS JUST HALF HAPPENS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE WATER. THERE'S NO DESIGNATING SWIMMING AREAS. THERE'S NO DESIGNATED BOATING AREAS. SO WHAT YOU SEE IS INTERMIX OF BOATERS AND SWIMMERS. UM, ALSO ANOTHER CHALLENGING PART OF THIS IS THE PARK BELONGS TO THE CITY OF GARLAND. THE WATER BELONGS TO THE CITY OF DALLAS. SO ANY VIOLATIONS, ANY BOATING VIOLATIONS, ANY SAFETY VIOLATIONS THAT OCCUR IN THE WATER BELONGS TO THE CITY OF DALLAS, ANY ENFORCEMENT IN THE PARK BELONGS TO THE CITY OF GARLAND. AND SO CONTINUING WITH THE HISTORY, UM, MEMORIAL DAY, UH, 2019 AND JULY 4TH, 2019, WE KEPT THE PARK IT AT 2,500 PEOPLE. AND AGAIN, WE TREATED THIS AS IT WAS A SPECIAL EVENT. WE HAD 14 OFFICERS INSIDE A NUMBER OF OFFICERS OUTSIDE, UH, ADDRESSING THE ISSUES. NOW, UM, THESE ARE THE THREE KIND OF FINALIZED SOLUTIONS THAT WE DISCUSSED. I THINK IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO. HOW ARE WE GOING TO HANDLE THIS PART? UH, ONE SOLUTION WAS TO CLOSE APART, UH, AND THAT WAS A BIG DISCUSSION. IN FACT, WE DID CLOSE THE PARK AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE. IN JULY 4TH, IN 2019 OR 2018, WE CLOSED THE PARK. UM, SO THAT WAS ONE DISCUSSION. SUNNYVALE HAS A SIMILAR PART DOWN THE ROAD. THAT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER. UM, THEY HAVE CLOSED THE PARK, UM, THEIR PART, BUT IT'S NOT NEAR THE SIZE OF THE GARLAND PARK. UH, THE SECOND TOPIC THAT WE DISCUSSED WAS TO LIMIT WATER ACCESS. AND AGAIN, THAT ATTRACTION TO THIS PARK IS THE WATER ACCESS. IF YOU TAKE AWAY THAT ONE FACTOR, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, BUT THE FACT THAT YOU CAN COME TO THIS PARK AND GET INTO THE WATER IS WHAT DRAWS PEOPLE, NOT ONLY FROM THE REGION, BUT WE HAD PEOPLE FROM ARKANSAS. UM, WE HAD PEOPLE FROM OUT OF STATE DRIVING TO HOLD THEIR FAMILY EVENT AT WINTER PARK. IT'S, UM, IT'S A WAY FOR THEM TO GET INTO THE WATER. SO ONE DISCUSSION WE HAD WAS TO LIMIT ACCESS TO WHERE IT'S, UH, LIMITS THE POSSIBILITY OF SWIMMING IN THE PARK. AND THEN THE OTHER OPTION WAS ADMISSION FEES. NOW, THIS IS THE OPTION WE, UH, ULTIMATELY ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH AT THIS TIME, UM, IS TO CHARGE ADMISSION FEES INTO THE PARK. UM, NOW, AND I WON'T GET INTO THE DETAILS AND I'VE GOT THE CITY ATTORNEY HERE, IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ON THIS, BUT THERE ARE LAWS BECAUSE THE PARK BELONGS TO GARLAND AND THE LAKE BELONGS TO DALLAS, WHATEVER RULES WE MAKE FOR ADMISSION FEES FOR, UM, THE CITY OF GARLAND RESIDENTS ALSO HAVE TO APPLY TO CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS. SO IF YOU SEE FREE FOR CITY OF GARLAND RESIDENTS AND DALLAS RESIDENTS, AND YOU THINK, WELL, WHY IS IT FREE DALLAS RESIDENTS? IT'S BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, UNIQUE RELATIONS THERE BETWEEN THE PARK AND THE WATER. AND SO THE DECISION WAS MADE, UM, [00:15:01] TO CHARGE AN ADMISSION INTO THE PARK, UH, TO STAFF THE PARK AND TO MAKE THIS ADMISSION FREE TO GARLAND RESIDENTS INTO DALLAS RESIDENTS. I CAN TELL YOU, WE DID A PRETTY THOROUGH SAMPLE THIS YEAR. SO FAR, MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT VISITED THE SPARK ARE DALLAS RESIDENTS. THERE ARE SOME GARLAND RESIDENTS, THERE ARE RESIDENTS FROM OTHER CITIES, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY ON THE WEEKENDS ON THE BUSY WEEKENDS ARE RESIDENTS OF DALLAS. SO USING THIS TO IMPACT THE CROWDS, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE CROWDS BECAUSE MOST OF THESE PEOPLE ARE FROM GARLAND ARE FROM DALLAS. SO SOME ARE 2020. UH, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED TO SEE BIG CROWDS IN THE PARK, BUT THIS IS WHEN COVID WAS REALLY RAMPING UP FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES FROM THE CDC. UM, SO FOR COVID REASONS, THE PARK WAS CLOSED FOR MOST OF THE SUMMER OF 2020. UM, AND THEN WE MOVED TO 2021 AND NOW JUNE 12TH AND 13TH WAS THE FIRST DAY, THIS SUMMER. THAT WAS A NICE DAY. YOU KNOW, IT RAINED ALL OF MAY. IT RAIN THE 1ST OF JUNE. SO THIS WAS THE FIRST NICE DAY WE COULD KIND OF JUDGE WHAT KIND OF CROWDS ARE SHOWING UP. AND WE REACHED CAPACITY. IT WAS A SURPRISE TO US. THESE ARE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE SEEN ON THE HOLIDAYS. ON THE PAST YEARS, WE WERE HOPING THAT THE WORD WOULD SLOWLY LEAK OUT. WE WOULDN'T SEE THESE HUGE NUMBERS, BUT HERE JUNE 12TH, 13TH, UM, THE FIRST WEEKEND WE MAX CAPACITY ALSO BECAUSE OF THE RAINS, WE COULD NOT PARK PEOPLE IN THE FIELD. AND SO IT FLOODED, THEY FLOODED THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH PARKING. UM, WE HAD, THEY OVERWHELMED THE PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE WE ONLY HAD THE LIMITED 500 SPOTS INSIDE OF THE PARK. SO THAT WAS THAT WEEKEND. AND THEN THE FOLLOWING WEEKEND, UH, FATHER'S DAY IS WHEN WE REACHED 2,500 AND THEN ANOTHER, WE TURNED AWAY ANOTHER 3000 PEOPLE FROM THE PARK. I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE. HERE'S JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF EXPENSES. UH, AND THAT'S KIND OF SMALL AND HARD TO READ. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. BUT, UM, OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS, THIS IS KIND OF AN ESTIMATE IN POLICE OVERTIME AND PARKS OVER TIME THAT WE'VE SPENT FOR EACH SUMMER. I THINK 2019 PROBABLY GIVES YOU THE BEST IDEA, UH, POLICE OVERTIME AND PARKS OVER TIME THAT WE'VE SPENT. NOW, KEEP IN MIND THOUGH, THIS IS HOLIDAY WEEKENDS ONLY. THIS IS NOT EVERY WEEKEND. THIS IS WHAT WE SPENT, UH, MANAGING MEMORIAL DAY LABOR DAY, JULY 4TH WEEKEND. SO FATHER'S DAY 2021. SO IT WAS ABOUT FOUR O'CLOCK THAT WE REACHED CAPACITY. AND AT ONE O'CLOCK, WE WERE ABOUT 1500 PEOPLE. AND SO FROM ONE O'CLOCK TO DARK, WE HAD ANOTHER 5,004,000 PEOPLE SHOW UP. AND WHAT WE LEARNED LATER IS THAT A RADIO STATION HAD BROADCAST AS ONCE OR PARK AS A PLACE TO GO FOR SWIMMING. SO WHATEVER SECRET WE HAD IN PLACE WAS THEN OUT. AND WE SAW THIS HUGE MASS OF FLOOD OF PEOPLE COMING. SO WE REACHED CAPACITY AND CLOSED THE PARK ABOUT 4:00 PM. NOW, AT THE TIME WE HAD FOUR OFFICERS AND ONE PARK STAFF THERE TO MANAGE THIS MESS, AND THEY WERE QUICKLY OVERWHELMED. UM, I'VE INCLUDED THESE TWO PICTURES TO, TO MAKE A POINT OF, IF YOU LOOK ON THE LEFT PICTURE, UM, MY LEFT, THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DON'T HAVE PARKS STAFF TO PARK VEHICLES. AND SO WE HAD ONE PART STAFF AT THE ENTRANCE MANAGING THE GATES, BUT WE DID NOT HAVE THE FIVE TO 10 PARKS STAFF PARKING VEHICLES IN THE PARKING LOT. SO WHAT HAPPENED IS THEY, THEY PARK ON BOTH SIDES. THEY PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROADWAY AND THEY CREATED THIS FUNNEL. AND S AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT, WHICH IS FROM 2016. AND, UH, I MET WITH MY STAFF THE MONDAY AFTER FATHER'S DAY, AND WE DISCUSSED THIS IN DETAIL, BUT IT'S PARKING. WE HAVE TO HAVE PARKING. THE BIGGEST CONCERN WE HAVE WITH THIS PARK IS THAT LIMITED INGRESS AND EGRESS. SO WE HAVE TO MANAGE THAT PARKING, UH, IN ORDER TO OPEN THOSE ROADWAYS OR YOU'LL HAPPEN, WHAT WE HAD HAPPEN ON FATHER'S DAY. AND WHAT HAPPENED IS ONCE WE CLOSE THE PARK, A FIGHT BROKE OUT BETWEEN TWO GROUPS OF YOUNG MEN, AND THIS FIGHT S ESCALATED INTO A BRAWL. UH, THEY USE MACHETES, THEY USE HAMMERS, AND EVENTUALLY IT LED TO GUNFIRE. AND SO THE PICTURE YOU SEE ON THE LEFT IS, IS A SQUAD CAR. THAT'S RUNNING CODE THREE, TRYING TO GET TO, TO THE FIGHT IN, TO THE LOCATION, UH, ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY DOWN. HE'S MET WITH PEOPLE FLEEING THE PARK. AND SO NOW YOU'VE JUST GOT A TRAFFIC JAM. SO THEY HAVE TO ABANDON THEIR VEHICLES AND MAKE THEIR WAY ON FOOT. UM, SO AGAIN, IT'S CRUCIAL. AND ANDY AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS TOO LAST WEEK IS WE'VE GOT TO MANAGE PARKING. WE CANNOT THE ONE INGRESS AND EGRESS. WE HAVE, WE CANNOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO PARK ON BOTH SIDES, WHICH WILL GO INTO OUR STAFFING ISSUES. UM, EVENTUALLY THAT FIGHT, WE PUT OUT AN ASSIST AND WE SENT IN OUR SAFE STREETS, TASK FORCE. AND JUST TO REMIND [00:20:01] YOU, EVERY SUMMER, WE IMPLEMENT THE SAFE STREETS, TASK FORCE. WE BRING IN, UH, OFFICERS FROM DIFFERENT UNITS. WE CREATE THIS TASK FORCE. SO WE HAVE THIS ADDITIONAL FORCE OUT ON THE STREETS AND THE SUMMER IN ORDER TO COMBAT VIOLENT CRIME. SO SUMMER EVENINGS ARE OUR MOST ACTIVE EVENINGS. AND SO WE HAVE THIS TASK GROUP TO DEAL WITH THAT ISSUE. SO WE ENDED UP SENDING THE TASK GROUP TO THIS FIGHT, AND THIS IS THE RESPONDENT, BUT THEY COULDN'T MAKE IT THERE BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC JAM. ONCE WE FINALLY GET IN THERE, UH, THE WEAPONS HAD BEEN HIDDEN. UH, THE FIGHT HAD DISPERSED AT THAT POINT, NO ONE WAS HIT BY THE GUNFIRE, AND THEN THE PARAMEDICS RESPOND TO TREAT THE WOUNDED. WE HAD NO LIFE-THREATENING INJURIES. WE DID HAVE LACERATIONS AND BRUISES AND SOME KNOCKED OUT TEETH, UH, BUT NO LIFE-THREATENING INJURIES, BUT EVEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD TO PARK AND WALK DOWN TO GET TO THE, UH, INTO THE INCIDENT AND TO TREAT PEOPLE. SO AGAIN, IF THIS WAS A, A MASS CASUALTY EVENT, OR IF SOMEONE WAS SIGNIFICANTLY INJURED, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD TREAT THEM. I DON'T KNOW HOW AN AMBULANCE COULD BACK OUT OF THIS PARK UNLESS WE SEND IN A HELICOPTER. SO THAT'S INSIDE THE PARK TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA. THIS IS OUTSIDE THE PARK. SO OUTSIDE THE PARK. AND LET ME SAY TOO, IF YOU SEE THE TIME ON THESE, THIS IS PULLED FROM BODY-WORN CAMERA, BUT THAT TIME IS TAKEN FROM THE AXON SYSTEM AND THE WAY AXON STANCE OR SYSTEM IT'S ONE TIME ACROSS ALL TIME ZONES. SO THIS IS NOT LOCAL TIME. SO THIS IS AROUND FOUR O'CLOCK. THE OFFICER IS WALKING DOWN LOCUS GROVE AND HE'S KNOCKING ON CAR WINDOWS. AND HE'S SAYING, HEY, THE PARK IS CLOSED. YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO TURN AROUND AND LEAVE. AND EVERY PERSON HE TALKS TO HAS A REASON, OH, I'VE LEFT MY FAMILY IN THERE. UH, I'VE GOT TO GET MEDICATION THAT'S IN THERE OF DROP MY KIDS OFF THAT'S IN THERE AND NO ONE IS LEAVING. AND SO HE'S TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO LEAVE. HE'S TRYING TO KILL, UH, CLEAR THE ROADWAY, BUT NO ONE IS LEAVING. UM, AND NOW HE'S WALKED ALL THE WAY TO PENINSULA WAY. AND THIS IS HIM LOOKING BACK AT ALL THE CARS HE'S TALKED TO, AND THEY'RE STILL A THERE. UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF NEW FOR US. YOU KNOW, WE'VE MANAGED THE, THE OUTSIDE ISSUES BEFORE, BUT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PRETTY GOOD AT LEAVING, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON THIS DAY, THEY WEREN'T LEAVING, UH, INCLUDED THIS PICTURE BECAUSE HERE'S A FAMILY. THE OFFICER HAS WALKED BY, HAS KNOCKED ON THE WINDOW, HAS TOLD THEM THE PARK IS CLOSED. YOU'LL HAVE TO TURN AROUND. UM, THE FAMILY SAYS, OKAY, THANKS. AND THEN THEY UNLOAD THEIR CAR AND HEAD TO THE PARK. SO NOW THE OFFICER IS BACK AT THE GATES AND YOU CAN STILL SEE PEOPLE COMING. NOW, SOMETHING ELSE NEW THIS YEAR IS, IS THESE PEOPLE, UM, WHEN THEY'RE TURNED AWAY AT THE GATE, THEN THEY WALK BACK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WHEN THEY GET BACK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY'RE CROSSING PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THEY'RE CUTTING THROUGH HOUSES. AND WE EVEN HAD A GROUP THAT TOOK MACHETES AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE CUL-DE-SAC HERE IN A MINUTE WHERE THEY CUT A PATH IN THE WOODS TO GET TO THE PARK. AND THEN ONCE IT GOT TO THE PARK, THEY CUT DOWN TREES BEHIND THAT HOUSE TO CREATE A PICNIC AREA. THAT WAS SOMETHING NEW WE HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE. SO, UH, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE NUMBERS WE WERE SEEING ON HOLIDAYS IN THE PAST. NOW WE'RE SEEING THESE EVERY WEEKEND AND WE CAN EXPECT THIS EVERY WEEKEND. SO NOW WE HAVE TO PLAN EVERY WEEKEND. I INCLUDED A PICTURE OF THE CURTIS COLWELL CENTER JUST TO MAKE A POINT, BUT WE HAVE TO HANDLE THIS AS A SPECIAL EVENT THAT IS OCCURRING EVERY WEEKEND. WE ARE DRAWING FIVE TO EIGHT TO 10,000 PEOPLE INTO THIS SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE NEED A TRAFFIC PLAN. WE NEED A INFORMATION PLAN. WE NEED A SECURITY PLAN AS IF WE WERE HAVING A SPECIAL EVENT IN OUR CITY, AS IF WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THE, LIKE WE PLANNED FOR THE CURTIS COLWELL CENTER. NOW THE CURTIS COLWELL CENTER HAS MULTIPLE LANES OF INGRESS AND EGRESS. I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE EXACTLY THE SAME. I'M JUST MAKING THE POINT IS THIS IS HOW WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR THIS PARK. WE CANNOT TRY TO BE EFFICIENT BECAUSE IF WE TRY TO BE EFFICIENT AND LIMIT THE PEOPLE, WE'RE CREATING A DANGEROUS SCENARIO, IT'S DANGEROUS FOR OUR STAFF. IT'S DANGEROUS FOR PARK STAFF. IT'S DANGEROUS FOR THE PARK ATTENDEES. IT'S DANGEROUS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO WE HAVE TO HANDLE THIS AS IF WE ARE DRAWING 5,000 PEOPLE INTO OUR CITY AND FOR THE CALLERS CALDWELL CENTER. AND THE BIG EVENTS ARE THEIR GRADUATIONS. UH, AND THIS IS USUALLY OVER A COUPLE OF WEEKENDS RIGHT BEFORE THE SUMMER. UH, BUT THEY DRAW FIVE TO 6,000 PEOPLE PER GRADUATION. THEY HAVE 63 CIVILIAN STAFF, INCLUDING SECURITY GUARDS, FIVE HOSTS, 18 POLICE OFFICERS WORK IN SECURITY AND TRAFFIC AND PARAMEDICS. AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS WHAT OUR PLAN IS, OR THESE AREN'T THE NUMBERS. I'M JUST KIND OF GIVING YOU A COMPARISON ON HOW WE PLAN FOR A SPECIAL EVENT. USUALLY FOR SPECIAL EVENTS. WE, WE PLANNED FOR ONE OFFICER FOR EVERY 500 PEOPLE UNLESS THERE'S ALCOHOL. [00:25:01] THEN WE PLANNED FOR ONE OFFICER FOR EVERY 250 PEOPLE. AND SO THE, THE PLAN WE PUT TOGETHER FOR WHEN SIR PART AS A SPECIAL EVENT IS TO WORK TWO SHIFTS. THIS IS A LONG DAY. SO TO WORK TWO SHIFTS, WE'RE GOING TO START THE MORNING SHIFT. IF THE PARKS DO REMAIN OPEN WITH SIX OFFICERS AND 10, UH, PARK STAFF, UH, ALSO INCLUDED IN THERE IS THE MOFEC OUR MOBILE COMMAND VEHICLE. NOW, THE PURPOSE OF THAT VEHICLE IS IT'S A HOT DAY TO GIVE THEM A PLACE TO TAKE BREAKS, TAKE AIR CONDITIONING. THERE'S ALSO A RESTROOM IN THERE TO EAT LAUNCH, ALSO STATION A FIRE TRUCK, AND AN AMBULANCE OUT THERE. EVEN IF WE KEEP THE ROADWAY CLEAR WITH OUR PARKING DIRECTION, WE STILL HAVE TO PREPARE FOR THE POSSIBILITY THAT ONE ENTRANCE IS CLOSED. SO THIS GROUP NEEDS TO BE SOMEWHAT SELF-SUFFICIENT AT LEAST TO HANDLE THE INITIAL EMERGENCY AND THE SKY WATCH TOWER. THE AFTERNOON, WE WILL ADD TWO OFFICERS INSIDE THE PARK FOR A TOTAL OF EIGHT OFFICERS INSIDE THE PARK. OH, THANK YOU, MAN. I NEEDED THAT. I USUALLY DON'T TALK THIS MUCH. AS YOU KNOW, UH, OUTSIDE THE PARK IS WE'RE PLANNING ON HAVING SIX OFFICERS AND TWO MEN UNITS. THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF TRAFFIC DIRECTION. UH, THEY'LL TAKE CARE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUES OF PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH. UH, YOU CAN SEE THE ONE CUL-DE-SAC THERE AT THE BOTTOM LEFT, THAT'S NEXT TO THE WOODED AREA. THAT'S WHERE THEY WERE PARKED AND CUTTING THROUGH THE WOODS, USING MACHETES TO GET TO THE PART. I ADDED THIS JUST TO HIGHLIGHT ANOTHER THING I HAVE TO FIGURE, AND THAT IS IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 2,500 PEOPLE IN THE PARK, I HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE FOR A DROP-OFF AND PICK-UP LOCATION. AND I HAVE NOT FIGURED THAT OUT YET. UH, BUT AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, ONCE YOU CLOSE THE PARK AT 2,500 PEOPLE, THERE ARE STILL HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE PEOPLE INSIDE THE PARK. THEY NEED TO GET TO WHATEVER REASON IT MAY BE KIDS. IT MAY BE FAMILY. AND SO WE, WE NEED A PLACE FOR A DROP-OFF AND PICK-UP LOCATION. AND THAT'S ONE THAT I DON'T QUITE HAVE FIGURED OUT YET IN THIS PLAN. OKAY. THE SEPTET ISSUES. AND WE TALK ABOUT SEPTET A LOT. UM, SEPTET IS A CRIME PREVENTION THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN, AND THAT'S THE, THE DESIGN OF THIS PARK. AND I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM EXCEPT FOR ONE, WHICH NO MATTER WHAT AMOUNT OF RESOURCES WE PUT OUT THERE IS STILL NOT SOLVED. AND THAT IS THE, THE LIMITED INGRESS AND EGRESS, UNLESS WE SOMEHOW CAN BUILD ANOTHER ROAD TO THIS PARK, WE STILL ARE HOSTING 2,500 PEOPLE WITH ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT. AND, UH, I KNOW THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN ECHO THIS, BUT THAT'S A MAJOR CONCERN FOR SAFETY. AND SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO STAFF THIS? UM, SIMILAR TO, TO OTHER PROBLEMS IS TO FORM A TASK GROUP AND DEDICATE RESOURCES TO STAFF WINDSURF PARK. AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE 32 OFFICERS. UH, 26 OF THOSE OFFICERS WOULD BE ASSIGNED THERE PER DAY. UH, 32 GIVES US THE ABILITY FOR SIX OF THEM TO BE OFF SOMETIMES ON THE WEEKEND, 20 PARKS EMPLOYEES THAT ARE THERE TO PICK UP TRASH PARKING GATE MANAGEMENT ON AMBULANCE AND A FIRE ENGINE THAT'S EVERY DAY DURING THE WEEKEND. SO I KNOW THE FIRST QUESTION THAT'S GOING TO GET ASKED IS HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST? AND I'LL HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS, BUT THE COST IS NOT IN HARD COST. I CANNOT DO THIS WITH OVERTIME, NO MATTER HOW MUCH OVERTIME YOU GIVE ME, I CANNOT STAFF SOMETHING THIS MASSIVE WITH OVERTIME. IF YOU THINK ABOUT HOW WE DO JULY 4TH, JULY 4TH, WE STAFF IT WITH OFFICERS THAT HAVE WORKED ALL WEEK. SO THEY'VE WORKED MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, THEY'RE OFF ON THE WEEKENDS AND WE EITHER GET VOLUNTEERS OR WE MANDATE THEM TO WORK ON THEIR DAYS OFF. THAT'S HOW WE STAFF THESE SPECIAL EVENTS IS THEY'RE COMING IN ON THEIR DAYS OFF. I CANNOT DO THAT EVERY WEEKEND THROUGH THE SUMMER, DOING THIS WITH OVERTIME. IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR MY STAFF. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR PARKS STAFF. IT HAS TO BE A TASK FORCE THAT WE'VE TAKEN THESE RESOURCES FROM SOMEWHERE. AND WE PLANTED THEM IN THE PARK. . SO TO DO THAT, I'D HAVE TO REALLOCATE ALMOST 10% OF MY STAFF TO WINDSOR PARK. SO WE FIGURED OUT, OKAY, WELL, HOW ARE WE GOING TO STAFF 32 OFFICERS AT WINDSURF PARK? AND WE WOULD PULL A 10 NPOS. SO WE'D REDUCE OUR NPOS FROM SIX NPOS TO SIX NPOS. A GANG UNIT WOULD ESSENTIALLY THE GANG UNIT DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS FROM SIX TO ONE. NOW WE NEED ONE TO DO DATA ENTRY. UM, EIGHT S SROS. NOW, SRS, I KNOW ARE OFF DURING THE SUMMER, BUT WE ALSO HAVE SUMMER SCHOOL. WE HAVE SUMMER CAMPS. WE HAVE SUMMER PROGRAMS. WE'RE ABLE TO USE THEM MORE DURING THE SUMMER THAT WE CAN DURING THE YEAR, BUT WE [00:30:01] DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO ALL 31 OF THEM. UH, EIGHT TRAFFIC OFFICERS THAT WOULD RE REDUCE US FROM 15 TO SEVEN, UH, TWO SUPERVISORS, ONE NPO, AND ONE TRAFFIC SUPERVISOR, UH, THAT WOULD FORCE US TO CANCEL THE SAFE STREETS, TASK FORCE. UH, THIS WOULD COST US 40% OF PARK STAFF. AND SO THEY WOULD BE PULLED FROM THE OUT, THROUGHOUT THE CITY TO BE PART OF THIS TASK GROUP. AND THEN ONE FIRE AND ONE AMBULANCE. NOW I'LL SAY AGAIN, THIS IS THE PLAN, THIS PART RIGHT NOW, AS IT SITS AS MY NUMBER ONE SAFETY CONCERN. AFTER, UH, FATHER'S DAY, WE WERE ON THE BRINK OF DISASTER. NOW, THANKFULLY WE AVERTED DISASTER, UH, BUT IT IS NOT A SAFE PLACE FOR OUR STAFF. AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE TO COME UP, WE HAVE TO TREAT THIS AS IF WE'RE HOSTING 5,000 PEOPLE AND WE ARE. AND SO THIS IS THE ONLY WAY I'M COMFORTABLE TO DO THAT. NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS. THESE RESOURCES ARE VALUABLE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THEY'RE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS. THEY'RE THERE DOING GREAT WORK RIGHT NOW. I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS, BUT TO KEEP THIS OPEN, UM, I HAVE TO, I CANNOT LET THIS PARK TAKE OVER THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND RIGHT NOW IT'S TAKEN OVER THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. SO TO KEEP THIS OPEN, THIS IS HOW WE HAVE TO TREAT IT. AND SO I THINK I'M DONE. SO I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF NIP? YOU USE THE R T S BUTTON, CATHERINE RIVERA, CHIEF. UM, DID THEY, UH, THEY CLOSED THE DELL ROCK ON 30 DINNER. THEY DID. SO THAT'S WHY WE GET IN A LOT OF PEOPLE OVER THERE. YEAH. THAT'S WHEN WE FIRST SAW THAT. SO THAT WAS IN 2016. UH THAT'S WHEN WE FIRST SAW THE BIG NUMBER SHOWING UP AT ONE, SIR. YES. OKAY. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. SURE. YEAH. AND I'M SORRY, BUT MITCH REMINDED ME, I DIDN'T, UH, GIVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH IS WE'RE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING, AND I'M RECOMMENDING AS CHIEF THAT I CAN'T MANAGE THIS PART WITHOUT PULLING ALL THOSE RESOURCES ON THE WEEKENDS. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO CLOSE THE PARK ON WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS. UH, WE ARE NOT SEEING THESE NUMBERS RIGHT NOW DURING THE WEEK, UH, AND LEAVE IT OPEN, UH, DURING THE WEEK. I ALSO THINK WE SHOULD STILL LOOK AT LIMITING ACCESS TO THE WATER. IF WE LIMIT ACCESS TO THE WATER, WE TURN THIS BACK INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK. SO, UH, I GUESS IT'S MORE TO RECOMMENDATIONS. OKAY. CAUSE WE'RE ROBIN, THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, HAVEN'T USED THE MICROPHONE IN LIKE A YEAR AND CHANGE, SO I'M GOING TO CALIBRATE OVER HERE. UM, THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION CHIEF. I APPRECIATE IT. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF EFFORT TO TRY AND KEEP THIS PARK OPEN AND MANAGE IT. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S NO REAL WAY TO MANAGE THE GROWTH RIGHT NOW. UM, BUT I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. THE, UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE CITY-WIDE IMPACT AND THE NUMBERS THAT WE WOULD NEED IS THAT WITH THE PARK, AS IT IS TODAY, OR IS THAT WITH THE PARK, IF WE DID A BUNCH OF ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS OR WHATEVER, WOULD THAT CHANGE THE NUMBER IT DOES AND CHANGE THE NUMBER UNLESS YOU CHANGE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP. SO EVEN IF WE, UNLESS WE CAN IMPACT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF TWO PROBLEMS. THERE'S THE INSIDE THE PARK PROBLEM. AND THEN THERE'S THE OUTSIDE THE PARK PROBLEM. SO MY PLAN RIGHT NOW IS TO ACT AS IF 5,000 PEOPLE ARE SHOWING UP, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON. EVEN THE NON HOLIDAY WEEKENDS. AND IF WE SEE A REDUCTION IN THOSE NUMBERS, THEN WE CAN REDUCE OUR STAFF. UM, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, IT'D HAVE TO SEE A REDUCTION IN THOSE NUMBERS. OKAY. SO THIS IS BASED ON 5,000. SO IF WE, IF WE DID IT AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE THIS IS POSSIBLE, BUT IF WE SECURELY FENCED THE PERIMETER OF THE PARK SO THAT PEOPLE COULDN'T, UM, YOU KNOW, RAMBO THEIR WAY THROUGH THE JUNGLE OR WHATEVER, TO GET INTO THE PARK AND PEOPLE CAN'T COME THROUGH THE, BETWEEN HOUSES AND STUFF, WE HAVE ACTUAL CONTROLLED ACCESS TO THE PARK. YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE THEN GOT IT DOWN TO SAY 2,500 OR A THOUSAND, THEN YOU'D BE COMFORTABLE REDUCING THAT, BUT WE'D STILL HAVE THE PROBLEM OUTSIDE THE PARK, RIGHT? UH, YEAH, IF WE REDUCED THE NUMBERS, WE WOULD REDUCE THE STAFF. UM, IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD LIMIT THE ACCESS WHERE THEY CAN'T GET IN AND WE'VE ELIMINATED THE NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUES, WE COULD PROBABLY GO FROM TWO OFF. I MEAN, FROM SIX OFFICERS TO FOUR OFFICERS OUTSIDE, UH, AND, AND, UH, MAYBE REDUCE THE NUMBER INSIDE, UH, IT'S STILL A SIGNIFICANT FORCE. IT WOULD BE OUT THERE, BUT CERTAINLY IF WE REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP, WE COULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF STAFF. OKAY. AND ANY IDEA ON HOW WE MANAGE THE, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THE MOST UNMANAGEABLE PORTION OF THE WHOLE THING WAS, [00:35:01] UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PART WHERE IF YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE JUST BLOCKING THE ROAD AND PARKING WHEREVER THEY WANT AND WALKING THROUGH HOUSES OR DOING WHATEVER. OKAY. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT UNTIL THE FIGHT BROKE OUT. SO, OKAY. FAIR. WHEN THE FIGHT BROKE OUT AND THE GUNSHOTS RANG OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT CAUSED ISSUES INSIDE. I MEAN, IT'S STILL 2,500 PEOPLE. UM, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT COMPARING THIS TO OTHER PARKS. I CAN NOT FIND ANOTHER PARK LIKE THIS. THIS IS A ONE-OFF PARK WITH A LIMITED ENTRY AND EXIT AND ALL THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, GETTING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR CONCERNS ARE BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE PARK. IT'S, IT'S TWO SEPARATE DYNAMICS GOING ON. OKAY. THANK YOU, CHIEF. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANKS SIR. CUSTOMER BASS, UH, CHIEF BRIAN. UM, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS NOT ANY SEPARATION BETWEEN THE SWIMMERS AND THE BOATERS. IS THERE A BOAT RAMP THERE, THERE IS NO BOAT RAMP. THERE'S NO. OKAY. SO PEOPLE ARE ACCESSING. OKAY. UM, HAVE WE HAD ANY, ANY INCIDENTS BETWEEN SWIMMERS AND BOATERS? UH, I SEE AN NPO SHAKING HIS HEAD. YES. UH, OKAY. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S INTERESTING FOR US IS THAT'S NOT RECORDED IN ANY OF OUR STATS. SO WE'VE HAD PEOPLE DROWN IN THE LAKE THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH WINDSOR PARK, BUT THAT'S ALL HANDLED BY DALLAS. AND SO WE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THEIR TRACK OR EVEN KNOW THE DETAILS OF THE INCIDENT UNLESS WE KNOW TO ASK FOR THEM BECAUSE OF THAT IS ALL A DALLAS PD. OKAY. AND, UM, SO I GUESS THEN THERE'S NO PLAN ON OUR SIDE FOR ANY SEPARATION BETWEEN SWIMMERS AND BOATERS, IF NO. YEAH. THE, THE LAKE BELONGS TO DALLAS, SO, UH, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE DO. IT COULD BE. SO HAVE WE, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH ALL OF THE OVERCROWDING ISSUES, BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A DALLAS ISSUE AS WELL. UM, WE HAVE ANY, WHAT KIND OF COMMUNICATION DO WE HAVE WITH THEM OVER THIS? A LOT OF COMMUNICATION GOING BACK FROM MITCH WAS CHIEFY AND I WENT TO DALLAS PD AND MET WITH THEIR CHIEF, CHIEF BROWN AT THE TIME. SO THAT SHOWS YOU HOW FAR BACK WE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE LAKE CREW THAT WORKS THE LAKE, I THINK IT'S FOUR OFFICERS, UH, AND THE NPO MAY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK IT'S FOUR OFFICERS THAT WORK THE ENTIRE LAKE. AND SO THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF JUST TO PAY ATTENTION TO WINDSURF PARK. THEY DO COME BY, THEY DO CHECKS. UH, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THEY'RE OUT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE LAKE. OKAY. BUT WE SEE THIS, I MEAN, DO YOU SEE THIS AS A DALLAS ISSUE AS WELL AS A GARLAND ISSUE? SURE. OKAY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. YES. AND JUST, WE'VE HAD LOTS OF COMMUNICATION WITH DALLAS, DALLAS PD. WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF RESPONSE TO THAT COMMUNICATION THAT MORE DIPLOMATICALLY THAN, THAN THAT'S MY JOB, A DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MORRIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, CHIEF, YOU MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES THAT IF WE RESTRICTED ACCESS TO THE WATER, THIS PARK WOULD GO BACK TO BEING A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK. YEAH. I THINK THE DRAW TO THIS PARK IS THIS SWIMMING. SO WHEN, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RESTRICTING ACCESS TO THE WATER, DO YOU HAVE IT IN MIND WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED AT ONE TIME, WHICH IS FENCING OFF THE WATER IN SOME WAY THAT WOULD PREVENT PEOPLE FROM ACCESSING IT DIRECTLY? I, I DO. AND I INCLUDED, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OF COURSE A VERY NICE EXAMPLE, BUT, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THIS WOULD COST. YOU KNOW, I I'M MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS. I DON'T HAVE TO WRITE THE CHECK, BUT, UH, I THINK THERE ARE WAYS WE COULD FENCE THIS OFF OR IT'S AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND, UH, LIMIT ACCESS TO THE WATER OR A, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK OF, UM, UH, JOHN PAUL JONES PARK NEXT DOOR, THEY HAVE, UH, UH, ROCKS THAT KEEP THE EROSION. AND SO THAT LIMITS THE SWIMMING. SO THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO LIMIT THE SWIMMING. BUT I THINK IF YOU DID THAT, IT WOULD TURN THIS BACK INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK. AND WHAT ARE THE ODDS THAT IF WE, IF WE DID FENCE OFF THE WATER, THAT PEOPLE WHO USE MACHETES TO CUT DOWN TREES AND EVERYTHING, THAT THEY WOULD JUST GO AROUND THE FENCE OR OVER THE FENCE, OR, UM, WHAT DO YOU HAVE A, A SENSE ON HOW MUCH, HOW SUCCESSFUL THAT MIGHT BE IN ACTUALLY KEEPING PEOPLE OUT OF THE WATER? WELL, I CAN JUST TELL YOU WHAT, WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST. AND WE HAVE FENCED IT OFF. YOU KNOW, WE DID THIS IN MITCH, REMIND ME, WHAT YEAR WAS IT? 20 18, 20 18. WE, WE DID A FENCE AND IT WORKED VERY WELL. UH, WE SENT A STRONG MESSAGE, NO SWIMMING IN THE PARK. WE HAD HIGH VISIBILITY PER, UH, PATROLS AND IT WORKED NOW. IT WASN'T A PRETTY FANCY, IT WAS A CHAIN LINK FENCE. UM, BUT IF WE DO SOMETHING TO RESTRICT SWIMMING, UM, THEN YES, I THINK IT WOULD AT LEAST GREATLY REDUCED THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE SEEING. YOU MAY STILL HAVE SOMEONE THAT JUMPS THE FENCE AND GETS INTO THE WATER. YEAH. AND I THINK WE DISCUSSED THAT AS A MORE AS A, IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY AS AN EITHER, OR IT'S EITHER [00:40:01] FENCING OFF THE WATER OR RESTRICTING ACCESS WITH A, SOME KIND OF A PASS SYSTEM, UM, NOBODY WANTS TO RESTRICT THE WATER, BUT, UM, YEAH, I, I WOULD BE TOTALLY OPPOSED TO, TO SUCKING RESOURCES FROM THE REST OF THE CITY IN ORDER TO, TO MANAGE MOSTLY DALLAS RESIDENTS IN OUR PARK. BUT, UM, OKAY. UM, AND WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT, UH, UM, I THINK YOU TALKED ABOUT, OR PERHAPS IT WAS, UM, COUNCILMAN ALBAN, A PERIMETER FENCE, WOULD YOU SEE A HIGH, HIGH PROBABILITY OF SUCCESS IF WE ACTUALLY DID A ROBUST PERIMETER FENCE AROUND THE ENTIRE PARK? UH, WELL, IT CERTAINLY REDUCED THE NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, ILLEGAL ENTRIES, YOU KNOW, FROM PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR CUTTING THROUGH THAT FIELD. UH, WE CAN ALSO DO THAT WITH ADDITIONAL STAFF MONITORING IT, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THEY RECOGNIZE WE ONLY HAD FOUR OFFICERS OFFICERS THERE. WE HAD, WE'RE DEALING WITH 5,000 PEOPLE. SO IT, IT'S EASY TO IGNORE THE OFFICERS WHEN, WHEN YOU OUTNUMBER THEM TO SUCH A DEGREE. AND SO I, YOU KNOW, EITHER, EITHER THE FENCE OR MORE OFFICERS, ONE OF THOSE TWO WOULD, WOULD HELP WITH THAT ISSUE. OKAY. BUT YOUR, YOUR BASIC RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT, GIVEN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THAT WE JUST CLOSED THE PARK ON WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS AND ONLY HAVE IT BE OPEN DURING WEEKDAYS. THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS, UH, PROBABLY EVERY TIME WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS PARK, THE WHOLE SWIMMING, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE CITY OF DALLAS RESTRICTS SWIMMING AT BACHMAN AND WHITE ROCK BY ORDINANCE, BUT THERE IS NO RESTRICTION ON SWIMMING AT HUBBARD. I KNOW THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED BACK AND FORTH AND DEBATED BACK AND FORTH, BUT THEY RESTRICT SWIMMING IN THOSE TWO SMALLER LEGS, BUT NOT IN RAY HUBBARD. RIGHT. WE WE'VE ASKED THAT QUESTION AND WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE ANSWERS. AND THEN THERE'S THE LAST ANSWER WE HAVE IS NO, WRITE IT DOWN. YES, NO, YES, NO. I THINK WE ENDED ON NO. AND ANYBODY WHO CHOOSES TO SWIM IN BACHMAN OR WHITE ROCK IS CERTAINLY ON THEIR OWN COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS. THANKS YOU MR. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, CHIEF. UH, JUST FOUR QUICK QUESTIONS, ONE COMMENTARY. UM, THE MAYOR IS CORRECT ABOUT, ABOUT WHITE ROCK AND WHEN, UH, AND PARTICULARLY WHITE ROCK AND IT'S VERY, VERY STRONGLY ENFORCED NON TWIN CAUSE I KNOW SOMEBODY WHO LIVES OUT THERE AND, UH, THEY THEY'RE VERY VISIBLE. SO, UH, THAT TAKES US THAT, UM, JUST, JUST, UH, FULL QUICK QUESTION IF ONE IS, AND MAYBE, UH, MR. HESHER MAY WANT TO JOIN YOU ON THIS ONE. UH, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC COMING IN PARKS, DO WE HAVE OPEN PARKS? WE HAVE IN THE CITY SAYS, CAN YOU COME UP AND THEN I'LL LET YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS QUESTION. JUST, JUST BRIEFLY FOR OUR PUBLIC, HOW MANY PARKS THAT WE HAVE IN THIS CITY WHERE WE'VE GOT OPEN VENUES FOR THE SOFTBALL FIELDS, BASEBALL FIELDS, THOSE, YES, SIR. HOW MANY PARKS? 63 63 PARKS, UH, OVER, UH, APPROXIMATELY, UH, WHAT, UH, WHAT LAND AREA FOR YOU OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD? IT'S PROBABLY IN THE 2,800 ACRES FAMILY. OKAY. OKAY. AND YOUR STAFF SERVICES, ALTHOUGH THE ENTIRE PARK SYSTEM, CORRECT? YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND CHIEF, UH, YOUR NPOS AND STAFF PROVIDE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, PATROL AND ASSISTANCE, UH, FOR ALL THESE PARKERS, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND I'LL POINT OUT ONE OTHER THING, IF YOU LOOK AT DALLAS AND SAN ANTONIO AND AUSTIN AND CITIES LIKE THAT, THAT YOU MENTIONED, THEY HAVE PARK POLICE. AND SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS TASK GROUP. OKAY. CHIEF, YOU JUST TOOK AWAY MY NEXT QUESTION AND THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE OUR NEMESIS AT DO HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE PARK POLICE. SO WE, WE HAVE PULLED THOSE FROM OUR EXISTING RESOURCES THAT CORRECT. SO IF WE KEPT THIS PARK OPEN THE IMPACT ON THE CITY, IT WOULD DEFINITELY IMPACT BOTH FROM A PARK STANDPOINT AND FROM A PLACE AND FIRE STANDPOINT HAD PULL THOSE RESOURCES FROM ALL OF THOSE OF THE PARKS THAT MR. HESTER TALKED ABOUT, CORRECT? YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, IN YOUR BRIEFING, UH, CHIEF, ONE THING I DIDN'T HEAR, UM, PARTICULARLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WHAT DOING THIS PARTICULAR, THIS LAST EPISODE, WHAT FEEDBACK WERE YOU GETTING THAT OUR OFFICES GET FROM THE NEIGHBORS TO FOLKS THAT LIVE OVER THERE? I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING. CAN, CAN YOU SORT OF GIVE US A SENSE OF HOW ALL OF THIS IMPACTING, YOU KNOW, THEIR PSYCHE AND, UH, AND, UM, I'M SURE MR. MOORE HAS FEEDBACK ON THAT AS WELL, BUT, UH, IT WAS NOT FEEDBACK ON WHETHER [00:45:01] WE SHOULD BE BACK UP. YOU'VE GOT TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE, RIGHT? WE ARE OVERWHELMED. THEY'RE PARKING IN THEIR DRIVEWAYS, THEY'RE PARKING IN THEIR GRASS. UM, THE PEOPLE, ONCE THAT LOCUS GROVE CLOSED DOWN, PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN THE AREA COULDN'T GET HOME. UM, AND YOU SAW THE ONE PICTURE AND I'LL HAVE TO FIND IT, BUT THE ONE PICTURE OF LOCUST GROVE THAT'S CLOSED. UM, AND SO EVEN GETTING HOME DOWN LOCUST GROVE, YOU CAN'T MAKE IT HOME BECAUSE YOU'RE IN THAT STOP TRAFFIC. SO THE FEEDBACK I'VE GOT OVERWHELMINGLY IS YOU'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING TO FIX THIS ISSUE. IT'S TAKEN OVER THEIR NEIGHBORS. OKAY. AND MY LAST QUESTION TO YOU, CHIEF, IF IN FACT, AND, AND I SUPPORT YOUR RECOMMENDATION BY THE WAY. UM, BUT INFANT FACT, WE PUT THIS TASK GROUP IN PLACE WHERE ELSES WORK ALL WEEK AND THEY'RE PULLED TO WORK THIS ON A WEEKEND. WHAT'S THE IMPACT? WELL, OR PERFORMANCE LEVEL. IF, IF WE'VE GOT OFFICERS WHO DO THAT, FIVE, THE SHIFTS, AND THEN DO THIS ADDITIONAL SHIFT, WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON, ON YOUR, YOUR STAFF? AND WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON YOUR STAFF, MR. HACER, IF THEY HAVE TO COME TOGETHER AND EXECUTE A MASTER PLAN FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. WELL, AND MAYBE I DIDN'T EXPLAIN THAT FULLY, BUT I COULD NOT DO IT THAT WAY. THAT WOULD BE DOING IT ON AN OVERTIME BASIS. THAT WOULD MEAN THE OFFICERS ARE WORKING SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. I CANNOT. SO IT WOULD BE PULLING THEM FROM THEIR CURRENT ASSIGNMENT AND ASSIGNING THEM TO WINTER PARK ON THE WEEKENDS ON FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND SUNDAYS AND ON HOLIDAYS. UM, SO THEY'D STILL BE WORKING 40 HOURS A WEEK, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE WORKING THOSE AT WINDSURF PARK INSTEAD OF IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. RIGHT. SO, AND I WILL ADD THAT THIS IS NOT A POPULAR ASSIGNMENT. UH, OFFICERS DON'T WANT TO WORK HERE AT TAUGHT IT'S LONG FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S BORING UNTIL IT'S NOT. UM, BUT IT'S NOT, I CANNOT FEEL THIS WITH OVERTIME, UH, OFFICERS DON'T VOLUNTEER TO WORK THIS ASSIGNMENT. WE HAVE TO MANDATE THEM TO WORK THE ASSIGNMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU, CHIEF. THANK YOU, MR. HESS, SIR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANKS SIR. CUSTOMER SMITH. THANK YOU, MARY. AND I THINK WE JUST FOUND A LITTLE BUG IN THE SYSTEM. I, I HAD PUNCHED HIM WAS IN QUEUE TWICE. YES, BUT IT ONLY APPEARED ON MY SCREEN THE FIRST TIME. SO I PUNCHED IN AGAIN AND SHOWED UP ON YOURS. YES, IT DID. IT, IT SHOWED UP ON MY BRIEFLY AND THEN WENT AWAY. GOT IT. OKAY. A FEW QUESTIONS. UH, I THINK I MISUNDERSTOOD A LONG TIME AGO WHERE THE BORDERS OF THAT PERMANENT FENCE ARE PERMANENT FENCE. ARE, CAN YOU SHOW ME ON ONE OF THE, UH, IMAGES WHERE THE EXISTING FENCES CURRENT FENCE? YES, SIR. BUT I CAN. UH, SO IF YOU SEE WHAT THOSE, AND I GUESS I DON'T HAVE A GOOD PICTURE, BUT IF YOU SEE WHAT THOSE OFFICERS ARE STANDING, UH, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE NORTH OF THEM. LET ME SEE IF I HAVE A BETTER PICTURE AND ANDY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS. WE REFERRING TO THE FENCE THAT WAS INSTALLED THE GATE, THE ENTRY GATE, AS IT LITERALLY JUST ACROSS THE MANAGEMENTS OF THE PARK AND NOWHERE ELSE, IF YOU COME DOWN THE MAIN ENTRANCE, IT WOULD BE ON YOUR RIGHT-HAND SIDE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THAT LAST NEIGHBORHOOD HAD ACCESS TO THEIR GATE, THEN IT MAKES A TURN TO THE LEFT AND THEN JOINS UP AT THE BACK OF THEIR FENCE. UH, THERE THEY'RE RETAINING WALL PRIVACY FENCE, AND THEN THE GATE IS RIGHT THERE. SO IT ALLOWS SOME ROOM FOR VEHICLES TO QUEUE UP AND COME INSIDE. BUT THAT THAT'S THE MAIN AREA THAT ENJOINS WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY AT THE ENTRANCE. AND THEN THERE'S HOMES THAT BACK UP ALL ALONG THE SIDE OF YOUR, ON THE TREES YOU SEE, SO THAT, THAT PREVENTS VEHICULAR ACCESS. THERE ARE SOME SPOTS WHERE THEY'VE FOUND WORK THEIR WAY IN THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD BETWEEN HOMES AND THAT KIND OF THING. OKAY. SO WE DON'T HAVE A TRUE PERIMETER FENCE IN PLACE. IT'S NOT, NOT COUNTING THE SHORELINE. THAT'S CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. UM, QUICK ASIDE, THERE ARE STILL ALLIGATORS IN THAT LAKE, CORRECT? I JUST, IF ANY, WOULD BE SWIMMERS ARE WATCHING AND LARGE ONES HOPE YOU'RE QUICK. AND FOR HONEST, YES. SO WE HAVE THAT FENCE IN PLACE, AT LEAST ACROSS THE, THE ENTRANCE OF THE PARK. AND YOU SHOWED THAT IMAGE OF THE FAMILY THAT GOT OUT AND JUST WALKED ON IN, ARE WE NOT CONTROLLING ON FOOT ACCESS THROUGH THE MAIN ENTRYWAY AS PART OF OUR HEAD COUNT? NO, NO. WE DID THE PICTURE I WAS SHOWING. UM, WE, WHEN WE TALKED TO THE FAMILY AND SAID, HEY, YOU'RE PARKED, BLOCKING LOCUST GROVE. YOU CAN'T PARK HERE. YOU GOTTA LEAVE. THEY SAID, OKAY, THANKS. AND STILL MADE IT TO THE FRONT. WE HAD TO TURN THEM AWAY AGAIN AT THE, AT THE GATE. SO THEY WERE TURNED AWAY. OKAY. UH, HAVE WE, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING POSTED, UH, AS FAR AS NO PARKING SIGNS GO ON EITHER SIDE OF THE MAIN DRIVE, UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN IGNORED ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. OKAY. UH, CAUSE I'M, I'M WONDERING IF, IF NO PARKING SIGNS PLUS ENFORCED TOWING WOULD HELP US KEEP THAT MAIN DRIVE CLEAR FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS. I THINK IT WOULD NEED TO BE NO PARKING STANDING OR STOPPING BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE CARS ARE STANDING OR STOPPING, SO WE'D HAVE TO DO NO PARKING STANDING OR SOMETHING. OKAY. [00:50:01] UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT WE COULD GET, UH, INSTANCE STATISTIC INCIDENT STATISTICS FROM DALLAS PD. CAN WE GET THOSE I CAN WORK ON YES, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR. AND DID WE REACH OUT TO THE RADIO STATION THAT WAS ENCOURAGING LAW, THE LAW BREAKING AND UH, NO, THEY WEREN'T ENCOURAGING LAWBREAKING. WHAT THEY WERE SAYING WAS THE, THE PARK IS OPEN, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU WANT A PLACE TO SWIM, HERE'S THE PLACE TO SWIM? UH, NO, I HAVEN'T REACHED OUT TO THE RADIO STATION. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. AND I COULDN'T EVEN TELL YOU FOR WHICH ONE IT WAS WHEN WE TALKED TO INDIVIDUALS, THEY SAID, OH, WE HEARD ON THE RADIO. THIS IS A PLACE THAT COMES WOMEN. AND, AND THEY MADE THEIR WAY THERE, BUT, WELL, UH, I'M, I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, OF YOUR PLAN TO CLOSE THE PARK ON WEEKENDS FOR THE TIME BEING. I STILL THINK THERE'S A FUTURE THERE WITH, UH, WITH PAID ACCESS, ASSUMING WE CAN USE SOME OF THAT REVENUE TO PUT IN A TRUE PERIMETER FENCE. UH, SO I, I DON'T WANT TO SEE US GIVE UP ON THIS YET, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE IN A CRITICAL POSITION RIGHT NOW. UH, I RESPECT YOUR RESPECT, YOUR STAFFING NEEDS. AND, AND I DON'T WANT TO DRAW DOWN 10% OF OUR CITY'S RESPONSE CAPABILITY FOR ONE AMENITY THAT, THAT WE DIDN'T PLAN TO, TO BE THIS BIG. SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND, UH, YOU GUYS HAVE MY SUPPORT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. MA'AM THANKS. SURE. CUSTOMER ROBYN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YEAH, I KIND OF ECHO COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH ON THAT. IT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS PARK WE'VE TRIED TO KEEP OPEN AND, YOU KNOW, FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE FOR YEARS, WE'VE, WE'VE CERTAINLY WANTED AN ATTRACTION THAT WOULD BRING THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE TO GARLAND. UM, AND, AND THEN BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR KIND OF THING. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, I, I CONCUR THAT, THAT FOR NOW. UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE'S NOT THE KIND OF THE FIRST THING, IF WE WERE TO REOPEN THE PARK EVER, UM, WOULD BE, THERE HAS TO BE A PERIMETER FENCE. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL ACCESS TO THE PARK. WE MIGHT ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT, AT CREATING A SECOND INGRESS EGRESS OPTION. AND, UH, AND I, I DON'T THINK WE KNOW WHAT THE TWO, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE TOLLWAY AUTHORITY PLAN IS FOR COMING THROUGH THIS AREA? I DON'T THINK WE EVEN KNOW THE ALIGNMENT YET OF, I THINK WE HAVE A GENERAL IDEA, BUT TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF IMPACT IT'S GOING TO HAVE ON THIS PARK. NO, SIR. YEAH. I MEAN, FROM A TRANSPORTATION PERSPECTIVE, IT'S LIKE, UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY TELL YOU EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE AND WHAT THE EXITS ARE GOING TO BE, I MEAN, YOU COULD TOTALLY CHANGE IT. YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE WORD TO PUT THIS RIGHT NEXT TO THIS PARK AND WE'LL GIVE YOU A, YEAH, WE'LL GIVE YOU A RAMP INTO IT OR SOMETHING THAT, THAT CHANGES THE WORLD. BUT AS IT STANDS, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE, NO, SIR, WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF INFORMATION. UM, BUT, BUT I WOULDN'T MIND HEARING. SO I THINK WE PROBABLY SHOULD GO WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION, KEEPS THE PARK CLOSE FOR NOW, AND THEN START LOOKING FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE AT OTHER OPTIONS, WHAT THE COSTS WOULD BE. AND I THINK THE REALITY IS, IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAYBE GET SOME INPUT OR SOME CREATIVE THING FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UM, YOU KNOW, OR GET A REAL BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE AGREEMENT IS WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS AND THE TAKE LINE AND, AND HOW WE CAN WORK AROUND THAT. AND IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A PARK, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT RETAINS SOME KIND OF BEACH ACCESS OR WHATEVER I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT, AND THIS IS WHY I SAID, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT CHARGING PEOPLE. I MEAN, I THINK IF YOU CHARGE PEOPLE EVEN A NOMINAL AMOUNT, FOR ONE THING, THEY WILL TREAT IT BETTER. I THINK THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF HOW PEOPLE ARE. IF YOU CHARGE THEM SOME NOMINAL AMOUNT, THEY WILL TREAT IT BETTER AND, AND VALUE THE EXPERIENCE MORE. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE, WE WON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE WITH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALISTIC OR NOT, BUT YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE GOAL BECOMES, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF WE ONLY HAVE A THOUSAND PEOPLE IN THE PARK OR WHAT IF THIS, OR WHAT IF THAT, AND WE REALLY DO CONTROL IT AND WE CONTROL THE, THE ROAD ACCESS. AND I THINK THAT TAKES A PLAN. I MEAN, YOU GET YOUR CAR TOWED ONCE AND CHANCES ARE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PLAY THAT GAME AGAIN. AND I'D BE INCLINED TO TAKE THAT KIND OF ROUTE OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST GONNA LINE UP THE RECORDS AND IF YOU DON'T MOVE YOUR CAR IMMEDIATELY, WHETHER YOU'RE IN THE CAR OR NOT, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO HAUL IT OFF AND IT'S GOING TO COST YOU $250 TO GET IT OUT. I MEAN, I HATE TO BE LIKE THAT, BUT I KIND OF FEEL LIKE THERE ARE SOME THINGS SOMETIMES WHERE YOU HAVE TO TAKE SOME, LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE'RE REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT ACCESS TO THE PARK. SO ANYWAY, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHIEF. I APPRECIATE IT. APPRECIATE, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PARK STAFF AND POLICE STAFF HAVE DONE TO TRY AND MAKE THIS PARK USABLE AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE. AND, UH, IT MAKES ME VERY SAD THAT, UM, THAT WE JUST, IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MA'AM THANKS, SIR. CUSTOMER WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MARY. HOW ABOUT A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY AND [00:55:01] CITY ATTORNEY? TELL ME IF I SHOULDN'T HAVE ASKED THIS QUESTION, TELL ME NOT TO ASK IT ALL RIGHT. UM, BUT DOWN THE ROAD, IT'S A POTTER, UH, AS COUNCILMAN ALVIN MENTIONED, LOOKING AT THE AGREEMENT AND ET CETERA, IF, AND I'M USING THAT, IF IT'S A BIG WORD, IF, UM, WE LOOKED AT THE AGREEMENT AND THE CITY OF DALLAS WERE TO AGREE TO, UH, PLAY SOME RESTRICTIONS ON SWIMMING ACCESS IN THAT PORTION, IN THE WATER OUT HERE, ENFORCEMENT OF THAT WOULD BE, WOULD REST WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS OR WITH GORDON. AND MY OPERATIVE WORD IS IF, BUT IF THAT WERE TO OCCUR, WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENFORCEMENT, IF THEY PLACED A SIMILAR, AN ORDINANCE THAT AS A GUIDED BACH PLAN AND WHITE RAT OUT HERE WITH THE PROXIMITY WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENFORCING THOSE RESTRICTIONS. ALL RIGHT. UM, HERE'S THE PROBLEM REALLY, REGARDLESS OF WHO IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE UNFORTUNATE, CAUSE IF I WERE DALLAS, I'D SAY GARLAND, IT'S REALLY YOUR PROBLEM. YOU, YOU DO THE ENFORCEMENT. OKAY. WE HAVE OFFICERS, WE DO THE ENFORCEMENT. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, ONCE YOU'RE OUT INTO THE WATER, ONCE YOU'RE ON WATER, YOU'RE IN DALLAS CITY LIMITS. IN FACT, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY DEEPER THAN THAT, BUT LET'S JUST FOCUS ON THAT PART OF THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW. IF YOU'RE ON THE WATER, IF YOU'RE SWIMMING, THAT'S DEFINED, WAITING, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. YOU'RE IN WATER, ON THE WATER. YOU ARE IN DALLAS CITY LIMITS THE EXTENT OF OUR JURISDICTION AND ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY IS ONLY OUR CITY LIMITS THAT'S AS FAR AS OUR MUNICIPAL COURTS, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR, AS FAR AS THEIR AUTHORITY EXTENDS AS WELL. SO YOU, WHOEVER WRITES A TICKET, IT'S A GARLAND POLICE OFFICER WRITES A TICKET FOR UNLAWFUL SWIMMING. WHERE DOES IT GET ENFORCED? THE POLICE OFFICERS AND CHIEFS ALREADY DONE A GOOD JOB OUTLINING THE KIND OF EXPENSE YOU'D BE FACING. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO WRITE THOSE TICKETS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO CITY OF DALLAS TO FORCE THEM TO TESTIFY IN PRETRIAL HEARING STEPH'S TESTIFY ON THE TRIALS. AND LET ME TELL YOU THAT CAN BE ALL DAY LONG. I JUST DON'T SAY, AS WE DISCUSSED WITH RESPECT TO RALLY CREEK OR EXCUSE ME, I MISSPOKE THE OLD MARINA MARINA DEL REY AROUND THE CORNER. IT'S NOT, THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THIS PROBLEM GO AWAY THROUGH ENFORCEMENT. AND CERTAINLY NOT THROUGH ENFORCEMENT ALONE, IT COULD PROVIDE AN ENCOURAGEMENT. MAYBE RESTRICT THEM SOME, BUT I DON'T SEE IT BEING A MAGIC WAY TO GO MAKE THIS PROBLEM GO AWAY. RIGHT. THANK YOU, MS. CHANG. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANKS SIR. UH, CONSUMER MORE, YOU WERE IN THE QUEUE, BUT THEN YOU DISAPPEARED. THERE YOU ARE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WAS REALLY WAITING TO HEAR FROM ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES BEFORE I WANTED TO SAY ANYTHING AS IT RELATED TO THIS ISSUE. FIRST, I WANT TO, UH, EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO YOU CHIEF AND TO YOU, UH, FOR ANDY FOR IN PARKS AND RECREATION FOR THE EXCELLENT JOB THAT I THINK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING, UH, AND, UH, SUPERVISING THIS PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE. I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE MY APPRECIATION TO THIS COUNCIL. I WATCHED YOU OVER THE YEAR DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE. AS A MATTER OF FACT, BACK IN 2017, I WAS ABLE TO GO OUT ONLINE AND FIND A NEWS CLIPPING THAT WAS CLOSING THE PARK WITH THE VERY SAME LANGUAGE FROM 2017. THAT WAS BEING USED NOW IN 2020. THAT'S HOW LONG I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS AND IT JUST, IT, UH, IT LETS ME KNOW THAT I'M SITTING IN THE RIGHT PLACE. I'M SITTING WITH GOOD PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO ARE TRULY WANTING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, BANG FOR OUR CITY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE DONE JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU POSSIBLY CAN KEEP THIS WORK OPEN. AND AS A COUNTRY BOY FROM, FROM DOWN-HOME DOWNTOWN, UH, I AGREE. I GREW UP, I GREW UP WITH THIS TYPE OF, UH, AMENITY THIS, THIS LAKEFRONT, UH, BARBECUING ON THE LAKE, GETTING OUT THERE EARLY IN THE MORNING SO THAT YOU MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A SPOT AND, UH, COOKING FISH AND SWIMMING AND DRINKING A FEW COOL, AND JUST, JUST [01:00:01] HAVING A GREAT TIME. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE, WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR BY HAVING THIS LAKE. AS A MATTER OF FACT, UH, I VENTURE TO SAY THAT THERE ARE VERY FEW SPOTS ANYMORE THAT HAVE THESE TYPES OF AMENITIES WHERE IT'S FREE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT ACROSS THE LAKE FROM US. AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FREE GETTING MORE THE MATTER, IN FACT, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY EXPENSIVE. SO I'D SEE, FIRST OF ALL, UH, QUIET, WE WANT TO CONTAIN WHILE WE WANT TO RETAIN IT. I TRULY WANT TO, IT'S A DISAPPOINTMENT TO ME WHAT HAPPENED THERE ON FATHER'S DAY, BECAUSE FATHER'S DAY TRULY WAS THE STRAW THAT BROKE THE CAMEL'S BACK. I THINK IF WE HAD GOTTEN PAST THAT, WE MAY HAVE HAD OPTIONS TO DO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS ATTEMPTED TO DO. WHEN YOU HAD THIS BIG DISCUSSION. BACK IN OCTOBER, OVER, I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE TAPE, HOW MUCH TIME YOU SPENT TRYING TO PUT PLANS TOGETHER AND DEAL WITH THE ISSUE THEN SO ON AND SO FORTH. AND IF WE HAD HAD OPPORTUNITY, IT SEEMS TO ME, IF WE HAD HAD OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE GATE BUILT THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TO GET A FENCE LINE, UH, INCORPORATED AROUND THE PARK IN ORDER TO CONTAIN. SO THEY WOULD BE BREAKING THROUGH THE SHITTY, IF WE HAD HAD OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME OF THOSE THINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE WAY OF, UH, BEING PAID AND FEES, WE MAY HAVE HAD OPPORTUNITY TO TRULY KEEP IT OPEN. BUT I THINK WHAT HAPPENED ON FATHER'S DAY REALLY HAS HELPED US TO OPEN OUR EYES TO THE SITUATION THAT, UH, WE'RE TRYING REALLY TO PUT BANDAGES ON A PROBLEM THAT, UH, MAYBE IT DOESN'T MAYBE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, COMING UP IN THAT ERA, UH, THERE WAS SITUATIONS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT WE'RE HAVING TODAY. WE DIDN'T HAVE GANGS THE END THAT MIGHT COME OUT ON THE WATERFRONT AND START FIGHTING WITH YOU THOUGH WITH MACHETES AND SHOOTING GUNS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IF YOU GOT INTO A FIGHT WITH THE FIFTH FIGHT AND, UH, THAT DIDN'T LAST LONG, UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE SITUATIONS. FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN, UH, THE POLICE COME UP TO YOU AND TELL YOU TO MOVE YOUR AUTOMOBILE AND YOU SAY, OKAY, BUT YOU STAY THERE. YOU DID WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO. IN OTHER WORDS, WE JUST SEEMS TO HAVE AT THIS POINT, A DIFFERENT GROUP OF PEOPLE, A DIFFERENT MENTALITY ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE LAKEFRONT. SO ONE OF MY CONCERNS RIGHT NOW IS DO WE CONTINUE DOWN THE PATH THAT WE'VE BEEN GOING? AND THAT IS, UH, THIS ROLLER COASTER OF PUTTING BANDAGES ON A PROBLEM THAT MAYBE THIS AREA WE NEED TO REPURPOSE. MAYBE WE NEED TO RELOOK AT IT. UH, WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS AREA NOW THAT MAYBE THE INTENT AND PURPOSES, IT'S JUST NOT FAIR. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS OR IS NOT, BUT I DO KNOW THIS, THERE WAS THE POSSIBILITY ON FATHER'S DAY OF SOMEONE BEING KILLED OUT THERE. AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN TO HIM. MY WATCH, THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY OF YOU COULDN'T EVEN GET UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD, YOU GOT ONE ENTRANCE AND ONE EXIT THAT ONE ROAD THAT'S A PROBLEM IN ITSELF. THERE WAS NO OTHER PLACE THAT I KNOW OF THAT WE WOULD TRY TO DO THE TYPES OF THINGS. AND BY THE WAY, MAYOR, IF, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE TIME LIMITS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I'M GONNA PREACH IT HOUSE. SO YOU, YOU MEAN YOU MIGHT HAVE TO PULL MY COATTAILS. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ENOUGH YET. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. NO COMMENT. JUST SAYING THAT, UH, I'M, I'M VERY CONCERNED RIGHT NOW ABOUT THIS AREA AND WHAT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO DO. UH, I LIKE THE IDEA. I LIKE YOUR SUGGESTION. YES. KEEPING IT OPEN DURING THE WEEK, MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, CLOSE KNIT ON THE WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO, DON'T GIVE UP ON IT. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP ON IT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A VERY VALUABLE PIECE OF PROPERTY. IT'S THE ONLY PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT I KNOW IN THE CITY. MAYBE EVEN IN THIS ENTIRE COUNTY THAT HAS ACCESS THE WAY THAT IT HAS AND WITH THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED TO CROSS THE LAKE FRONT WITH ALL THE BILLIONS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE THERE, WE CAN CERTAINLY, UH, I THINK MAKE USE OF IT. AND SO I THINK THAT WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO DO BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP AGAIN, IS PULLED TOGETHER. A TASK FORCE PULLED TOGETHER A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WE DON'T JUST LOOK FOR SHORT TERM REMEDIES. WE LOOK FOR THE REAL LONG-TERM REMEDY AND WE TAKE SOME TIME. IT MAY TAKE 60 DAYS, 90 DAYS. I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE TAKE SOME REAL TIME. AND WE TALK TO OTHER COUNTIES, MAYBE OTHER PEOPLE WHO WERE EXPERIENCING MAYBE THE SAME THING. I HAD SOME OF THE SAME PROBLEMS AND HOW THEY REMITTED. UH, BUT WE COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT WE CAN BRING BACK TO COUNCIL THAT IS NOT A SHORT-TERM REMEDY, BUT IT'S A REAL REMEDY. AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED THAT MUCH ABOUT HOW ONE 90 IS GOING TO IMPACT IT. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I AM AT THIS POINT IS THAT I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO THOSE CITIZENS AND I'M GETTING CALLS. I'M GETTING CALLS EVERY DAY, BUT THEY'RE NOT CALLING SAYING THAT THEY WANT IT CLOSED AS MUCH AS THEY WANT [01:05:01] IT CONTROLLED. IN OTHER WORDS, THESE ARE OLDER. PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF. THEY, THEY, THEY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF UREA, BUT I HAVE A, I HAVE A, UH, A RESPONSIBILITY TO THEM, BUT ALSO I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO YOU AND TO THE PARKS AND TO, AND SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS WHOLE PICTURE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO ASK COUNSELOR. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GO ABOUT DOING THAT, BUT IT MUST'VE BEEN HER. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US, UH, PULLED TOGETHER A TEAM OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE PARKS AND RECREATION WITH A CITY MANAGER, UH, OUR, A LAW FIRM. AND WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING REAL ABOUT HOW TO GO ABOUT REMEDYING THIS PROBLEM. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, UH, FOR CHEEK, I WILL SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, CHIEF, YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR, IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT, UH, THE PROBLEMS WITH THE PARK WERE TAKING OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I WOULD ARGUE TO SAY THAT THEY'RE REALLY TAKING OVER THE CITY WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE A PARK THAT REQUIRES GIVE OR TAKE 60, 60 STAFF MEMBERS, UH, TO, TO COORDINATE AND CONTROL, UH, THAT'S UH, HAD, IT'S UNACCEPTABLE TO SAY THE LEAST. UH, SO, UH, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, CAN YOU TELL YOU JUST, JUST SO WE ALL HAVE THE INFORMATION OF WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION? SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS, UM, THAT WE CLOSE APART ON FRIDAY, SATURDAY, AND SUNDAY AND HOLIDAYS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND DOES THAT HAVE A TIMEFRAME ATTACHED TO IT? ARE WE TALKING THROUGH OCTOBER THROUGH DOVER? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE WEATHER COMES IN AT SOME POINT, BUT DO YOU HAVE A SET TIMEFRAME FOR THAT NOW? WHEN DOES IT END? WELL, IT ENDS WHEN WE HAVE A PLAN. OKAY. MANAGE THAT. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PLAN IS. I, I WOULD, I WISH I COULD GIVE YOU SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT, HEY, HERE'S AN EASY SOLUTION. THERE IS NO EASY SOLUTION AT THIS POINT, NO SET TIME, NO SET END DATE. THIS WOULD BE ONGOING IN THE SUMMER YES. THROUGH THE SUMMER. AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN WORK ON A LONG-TERM SUGGESTION. UH, AGAIN, I, AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT, UH, OKAY. THAT WOULD BE THE ULTIMATE GOAL. OKAY. I, IN COUNCIL TO THAT POINT, UH, WHAT WAS IT, UH, A MONTH AGO, I GUESS, UM, WE DID AGREE ON SOME LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS FOR THIS PARK, THE, THE GATED TICKETED ENTRY AND SOME PERIMETER FENCING, ET CETERA. SO THE QUESTION IS AT THIS POINT, UM, DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE IN THAT DIRECTION? DO WE NEED TO STAND DOWN OR PULL BACK ON ANY OF THOSE IDEAS UNTIL WE COME UP WITH SOME OTHER SOLUTIONS OR DO WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD? I THINK A MONTH, I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED, UH, IN THE CONSENT AGENDA, THE PURCHASE OF THE ACTUAL TICKET BOOTH. SO WE, WE WE'VE SORT OF STARTED A PROCESS HERE. DO WE, DO WE CONTINUE THAT PROCESS? IS THERE ANY UP OPPOSITION TO CONTINUING THAT PROCESS AS WE REDEFINE AND DEFINE THIS PLAN? UH, COUNSELOR, ROBIN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. WELL, I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, FOR STAFF, WHICH IS WHERE ARE WE AT A POINT WHERE WE CAN STOP ON THE BOOTH AND WAIT, BECAUSE IT BECOMES CLEAR TO ME THAT HAVING A BOOTH ISN'T GOING TO DO US ANY GOOD. IF WE DON'T HAVE A MORE HOLISTIC SOLUTION REGARDING INGRESS AND EGRESS HANDLING THE TRAFFIC INSIDE AND OUTSIDE AND, UH, IN CONTROLLING ACCESS TO THE PARK FROM, FROM THE WOODS, FROM THE ADJACENT OR ABUTTING HOMES AND, YOU KNOW, GOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE, UH, OTHERWISE, YES, SIR. SO AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, THOSE, UH, UH, APPROVED PURCHASES WERE PUT IN A HOLDING PATTERN, KIND OF PENDING SOME COUNCIL DIRECTION. ONCE WE KIND OF REALIZED VERY QUICKLY WHERE THIS WAS GOING, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD NOT OVEREXTENDED AND OBLIGATION THAT WASN'T GOING TO PROVIDE A GOOD SOLUTION. SO IT WE'RE AT A STOPPING POINT NOW WHERE IT'S NOT GOING TO CREATE ANY ISSUES FOR US UNTIL BETTER GUIDANCE. WELL, IT WAS VERY WISE UNSURPRISING, BUT WISE. UM, YES, WE KNOW THE, THE CURRENT PLAN WE HAVE IN PLACE IS TO HIRE ONE MARSHALL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 2,500 PEOPLE THERE DRINKING ALCOHOL TO HIRE ONE MARSHALL. SO IF, EVEN IF WE WERE TO PUT ALL THOSE THINGS IN PLACE, UM, WE NEED 12 TO 14 OFFICERS EVERY DAY, UH, AT THIS PARK, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 2,500 PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE ALLOWED IN DRINKING ALCOHOL. UM, SO THAT'S ANOTHER CONCERN. WELL, I KNOW WE HAD, I TH I THINK WE HAD A VERY DIFFERENT VIEW OF WHAT THINGS WOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN MAY. UM, AND WE, AND WE DID HAVE SOME CONVERSATION AND I, AND I BELIEVE THE UPSHOT OF LIKE THE W YOU KNOW, WHO TO CHARGE AND HOW MUCH AND EVERYTHING WAS, WAS KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WORRY ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE A BOOTH AND WE CAN CHARGE. [01:10:01] AND, AND SO I, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE AT THIS POINT, THE BOOTH ALONE IN ONE, OR HOWEVER MANY MARSHALS IS NOT A SOLUTION IS NOT A HOLISTIC SOLUTION. AND WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A HOLISTIC SOLUTION, CLOSE IT FOR NOW, COME UP WITH A HOLISTIC SOLUTION THAT HAS A PRICE TAG THAT COUNCIL CAN TALK ABOUT. UM, BECAUSE THAT MAY BE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND IT MAY BE THAT WE MAKE HIM COME DOWN TO THAT IN A FEW MONTHS AND REALIZE THAT IT'S JUST WHOLLY, UM, UNREASONABLE. I HOPE IT'S NOT, BUT, BUT THE COST OF CONTROLLING ACCESS IS, YOU KNOW, A FENCE, A PERIMETER FENCE THAT COVERS ALL OF THAT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL THAT ALONE, ADDING A SECOND INGRESS OR EGRESS POINT, MAYBE THROUGH THE WOODS OR WHEREVER THOSE FOLKS CAME IN WOULD BE IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE, BE FRIGHTFULLY EXPENSIVE. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO KIND OF PULL THE FOOT OFF THE GAS ON THE, ON THE TICKET BOOTH UNTIL THAT BECOMES PART OF A HOLISTIC SOLUTION. THAT'S MY THOUGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MA'AM THANKS, SIR. CUSTOMER HENDRICK. THANK YOU, MR. I, I AGREE, COUNCILMAN ALBAN THAT, UH, UNTIL WE KNOW THAT THAT BOOTH IS IN THE RIGHT LOCATION, THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND ALL THAT, I AGREE. STOP IT ON THIS WHOLE THING OFF. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN MOORE AND HIS IDEA OF GETTING A MASTER PLAN MORE OR LESS. I KNOW WE'VE HAD PARKED STUDY PARK STUDIES DONE FOR OTHER PARKS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ONE'S HAS BEEN DONE FOR THIS AND WHAT THE ULTIMATE LOOK OF THIS PARK MAY LOOK LIKE. SO I THINK WE SHOULD START THERE AND PUT SOME RESOURCES AND DO IT, MAYBE SOME MASTER PLANNING, KNOWING THAT UNKNOWNS ABOUT THE ROUTING OF THE TOLL WAY TO COME THROUGH AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING, BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN PLAN FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS NOW AND THINGS THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL. SO I THINK THAT'S SORT OF JUST SHOULD START. AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN MOORE. THANK YOU. OKAY, SIR, I NEED ADDITIONAL COMMENT. ALL RIGHT. SO SORRY, THE SCREEN SPLASHING AND DISTRACTED ME. ALL RIGHT. SO, UH, COUNSEL, YOU'VE HEARD THE, THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, CLOSING THE PARK ON FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY. UM, OBVIOUSLY OPEN MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND STILL LIMITING. IS THAT STILL LIMITING THE CAPACITY ON THE MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY? YES. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN ALSO, AS FAR AS THE FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY STARTED MOVING FORWARD TO, UH, IS TO HOLD ON THOSE, IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION TO THE RECOMMENDATION AND, UH, HOLDING ON THE IMPROVEMENTS? I SEE NONE IN MR. BRADFORD OR, UH, MR. BATES, AS FAR AS, UH, I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAVE, UH, FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW, WE'VE OBVIOUSLY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS PARK AT GREAT LENGTH. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ITS PROBLEMS, ITS POTENTIALS. UM, AND AS FAR AS, UH, FORMING A SORT OF WORKING GROUP ON IT, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE BASE OF THAT GROUP IS SITTING HERE IN FRONT OF US. UH, IS THERE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL WE WOULD NEED TO DO, UH, MOVING FORWARD TO SPECIFICALLY, UH, LOOK AT OTHER ENHANCEMENTS OR ISSUES AT THIS PART? I BELIEVE WE HAVE WHAT WE NEED WITH OUR STAFF AND WE'D BE, UM, OF COURSE WORKING WITH, OR WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT EVERYTHING AS COUNCIL'S ASKED AND WHAT THAT WOULD BE. UH, IF WE COME UP WITH A LONG-TERM PERMANENT SOLUTION, EVERYTHING THAT WOULD GO WITH THAT, WE'LL BE TALKING TO TXDOT AGAIN, WE'LL BE REACHING OUT TO ALL OF OUR PARTNERS. SO I THINK WE HAVE THE RESOURCES WE NEED, AND OF COURSE WE'LL CONTINUE TO COMMUNICATE WITH, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE COMMUNITY, UH, ALL OF THOSE AS WE PUT THIS TOGETHER, IT'LL TAKE US SOME TIME, BUT WE'LL DO THAT. AND I JUST WANTED TO MENTION TOO THAT FOR THE CLOSING, THE PARK, WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU WITH THE REVISED ORDINANCE, UH, THAT WOULD SPECE, UH, SPELL THAT OUT. AS CHIEF BRIAN HAD INDICATED EARLIER AT THE, AT THE NEXT, UH, COUNCIL MEETING IN TWO WEEKS. OKAY. UH, CUSTOMER MORE. YES. CAN WE PUT SOME TYPE OF DATA ON THAT 90 DAYS, 60 DAYS, 90 DAYS IN ORDER TO, I WANT TO TRY AND FACILITATE IT THOUGH. I DON'T WANT IT TO BE IN PERPETUITY. IS THERE SOMETHING YOU CAN DO IN THE WAY OF OUR DAY, BUT WE CAN DO 90 OR ONE SUGGESTION. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, IT'S GOING TO TAKE US SOME TIME TO GET THROUGH THIS SUMMER. SO EVEN IF WE PUT AND WE'LL COME BACK, EVEN IF WE PUT BY THE END OF THE YEAR, I MEAN, IT'S REALLY NOT AN ISSUE FOR US ONCE WE GET THROUGH LABOR DAY, THAT KIND OF THING. SO WE'LL COME BACK WITH A DATE AND WE'LL TALK THROUGH WITH STAFF, UH, THAT'LL GET US THROUGH THE SUMMER AND GET US TIME FOR THE COMMITTEE, THE TASK FORCE TO GET TOGETHER, TO WORK ON LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS, UH, WELL IN ADVANCE OF, OF NEXT YEAR AND WHAT THAT LONG-TERM SOLUTION MAY BE. UM, AND THEN THAT'LL GIVE COUNSEL AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE. ONCE WE GET THROUGH THE SUMMER, UH, TO COME BACK, UH, AND EXPLORE [01:15:01] WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS GOING LONGTERM INTO NEXT SUMMER? BECAUSE WE DEFINITELY WANT TO HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT PLAN IS GOING TO BE WELL IN PLACE BEFORE THEN. SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE GET THROUGH THIS SUMMER, KEEP IT CLOSED THIS SUMMER. UM, AND THEN WORK FROM THERE. OKAY. OKAY. CUSTOMER WILLIAMS. UM, I'M STILL I'LL STEP BACK. OH, HABITS ARE HARD TO BREAK. OKAY. WE HAVE TWO OF THEM IN THE HALL TONIGHT. SO, UH, JUST, JUST, UH, WORKING THROUGH COUNCILMAN MOORE, JUST A SUGGESTION WITH SASC. SO CHOOSES THAT WE HAVE SOME NEIGHBORS, SOME CITIZENS THAT CAN COME INTO THIS PROCESS ON THE FRONT END AND BE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN WORK HAS PART OF THIS TASK GROUP. YES, SIR. WELL, WE DO, WE ALREADY HAVE MANY THAT ARE REGULARLY INVOLVED WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD POLICE OFFICERS, OUR PARKS, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHERS WHO MAY WANT TO GET INVOLVED AND HAVE INFORMATION ACTUALLY ACTUALLY HAVE SOME, SOME DESIGNATED REPRESENTATION OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS DESIGNATED. I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD ALSO ADD A DIMENSION TO THIS, TO THIS PROBLEM. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR IT. WON'T BE A PROBLEM THINK. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THINK THERE'S, I THINK THAT WRAPS THIS ITEM UP. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT COUNCIL. I KNOW, UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS GOING TO BE FAIRLY LONG IN DISCUSSION. UM, SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A RECESS. UH, LET'S HAVE EVERYBODY BACK AT SEVEN 30, PLEASE. SEVEN 30. OKAY. IT IS JULY 5TH, 2021. WE ARE COMING BACK FROM RECESS, UH, FROM OUR WORK SESSION [4B. Prioritization of Holford Road and Flood Safety Enhancements Through-out the City] AND WE ARE AT ITEM FOUR, B PRIORITIZATION OF HOLFORD ROAD IN FLOOD SAFETY ENHANCEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL. I BELIEVE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, A COUNCIL MEMBER HENDRICK, UH, REQUESTED THAT WE EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF MOVING UP THE HOLFORD ROAD, SEGMENT C A PORTION OF THAT REBUILD. AND THEN THERE WERE ALSO SOME QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL ABOUT EXPLORING SOME, UH, TECHNOLOGY AND OTHER THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH ROADWAY FLOODING, UM, AND THE SAFETY MEASURES HAVE WE PUT IN PLACE. SO WE'VE COMBINED THOSE INTO ONE PRESENTATION TODAY, UM, AND THAT'S JUST RESTATING THE TWO PORTIONS OF THIS THAT WE'LL GO OVER. SO AS A REMINDER, THE HOLFORD ROAD SEGMENT SEE HERE IS THE PORTION THAT'S IN RED IN FRONT OF YOU. AND OF COURSE IT DOES INCLUDE THE HOLFORD ROAD BRIDGE AS WELL. AT SPRING CREEK. A SEGMENT SEES ONE PART OF A THREE-PART SEGMENT. UH, ALIGNMENT STUDY WAS COMPLETED BACK IN APRIL OF 2020. UM, IT WILL BE A FOUR LANE DIVIDED ROADWAY. UH, THE PROPOSED BRIDGE, UH, WILL BE 15, 15 FEET HIGHER THAN THE CURRENT BRIDGE AND ABOVE THE 100 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN ELEVATION, OF COURSE, TO ONCE WE GET READY TO DO HOLFORD ROAD SEGMENT C UH, HOLFORD ROAD ITSELF, UH, WILL HAVE TO BE CLOSED DOWN FOR THAT, UH, FOR CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS ESTIMATED TO TAKE ABOUT 18 TO 24 MONTHS. UH, AND THE FIRST THING WE'LL HAVE TO DO IS REMOVE THE BRIDGE OF COURSE, BEFORE THEY CAN CONSTRUCT A NEW BRIDGE ALONG WITH THAT NEW ROADWAY. UH, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES FOR US, OF COURSE, FIRE STATION SIX IS ON HOLFORD ROAD. SO ANY CONSTRUCTION ON THE ROADWAY WILL HAVE TO TAKE PLACE AFTER FIRE STATION SIX HAS MOVED TO ITS NEW LOCATION. AND THEN I HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE ON THAT HERE IN JUST A MINUTE. UH, AND HERE I AM. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A SCHEDULE, UH, THAT TOP, UH, BAR, IF YOU WILL, CURRENT SCHEDULE, UH, HOLFORD ROAD SEGMENT C WAS, UH, SCHEDULED FOR DESIGN BEGINNING IN EARLY 2023, UH, THROUGH NOVEMBER OF 2024, UH, WITH CONSTRUCTION BEGINNING AT THAT TIME, AND THEN COMPLETION BASICALLY MID TO LATE 20, 26. AND OF COURSE THESE ARE ESTIMATED TIMELINES. UH, I MEAN, WE HADN'T GONE TO GONE TO BED AND ALL THE REST OF THAT ON THE, SO THAT WAS THE CURRENT SCHEDULE WITHIN THE BOND PROGRAM. IF WE PRIORITIZE THAT SCHEDULE TO MOVE UP HOLFORD ROAD, SEGMENT C, WE COULD POTENTIALLY BEGIN DESIGN IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE, UH, THIS FALL, UH, COMPLETE THAT DESIGN BY EARLY 23, MARCH OF 23 IS WHAT WE ESTIMATE. UM, BUT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK DOWN AT THE BOTTOM FIRE STATION, SIX CONSTRUCTION IS SCHEDULED TO BEGIN JULY 22, [01:20:01] UH, THROUGH JULY OF 23. SO IF THAT STAYS ON TARGET, UM, THEN WE COULD START CONSTRUCTION OF HOLFORD ROAD SEGMENT C BEGINNING ONCE FAR STATION SIX HAS BEEN COMPLETED AGAIN, ESTIMATED JULY 23, THAT WOULD MOVE UP THE COMPLETION OF HOLFORD ROAD, SEGMENT C TO EARLY TO MID 2025. UH, BUT THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A SNAPSHOT OF THE, BASICALLY THE CALENDAR OR TIMELINE, UH, THAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT. SO, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHY IT'S IN RED, DOWN THERE. UH, FIRE STATION SIX WOULD HAVE TO BE, AND WE'VE LOOKED AT TRYING TO MOVE THAT UP AT IT'S POSSIBLE. WE COULD TRY TO COMPLETE THAT A LITTLE BIT SOONER, UH, ON THE CONSTRUCTION. UM, BUT FIRE STATION SIX HAS TO BE COMPLETED FIRST FOR US TO START WORK ON HOLFORD ROAD. SO TO MOVE, UH, THIS PROJECT UP, UH, WE WOULD LOOK AT, OF COURSE THE TOTAL COST OF HOLFORD ROAD SEGMENT C IS 20.7 MILLION. AND IF YOU WILL LOOK AT THE CHART I HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, THE CURRENT SCHEDULE, UH, HAS A, UH, 200,020 TO 1.2 MILLION AND 23, 2,000,024. AND THEN THE BULK OF IT IS WHEN CONSTRUCTION OCCURS IN 25 AND 26, THAT 14.6 MILLION AND 2.7. SO IN ESSENCE, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THOSE NUMBERS IN SHADED IN BLUE, UH, IS ABOUT 3.4 MILLION. UH, THOSE ARE IN THE CURRENT AND THE APPROPRIATE TIMELINE, BUT THE OTHER 17.3 MILLION, WE WOULD NEED TO MOVE UP EARLIER IN THE BOND PROGRAM OR IN OUR ANNUAL CIPS. SO WE HAVE TO MOVE UP 17.3 MILLION, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO FIND 17.3 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS TO MOVE BACK. UM, AND THEN THE REST OF THAT WOULD BE SHOWING THE AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD NEED TO MOVE UP EACH YEAR FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. SO HERE, WHAT WE LOOKED AT IN, UH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HEADRICK ASSETS TO LOOK AT, UH, PROJECTS IN HIS DISTRICT, UH, AND WE DID THAT AND WE HAVE CALAIS HO ROAD, UH, THAT SCHEDULED FOR SOME DESIGN WORK THIS YEAR IN 2021, IT'S, UH, 800,000. AND THEN THE BULK OF IT, 5.1 MILLION IN 2022. UH, AND THEN HOLFORD REC CENTER IS 6.1 MILLION IN 2022. WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE TWO PROJECTS COMBINED, UH, FROM COUNCIL DISTRICT SEVEN, AND THAT'S WHAT THE SHADING AND YELLOW IS INDICATING, THAT'S FROM COUNCIL DISTRICT SEVEN, UH, THAT'S ABOUT $12 MILLION. SO WE WOULD NEED TO LOCATE, UH, ANOTHER $5.3 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS, UH, THAT COULD BE IDENTIFIED, WHETHER IT'D BE ONE OR MORE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY MOVE BACK, BE DELAYED, SO WE CAN MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD. UM, AND WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU IS JUST A NUMBER OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE ONGOING, UH, DURING THIS TIME SPAN, WHICH WOULD BE POTENTIAL OPTIONS, UH, FOR THIS TO OCCUR. UM, SO THAT, THAT TIES IN WITH, UM, HOLFORD ROAD SEGMENT C UH, HOLFORD ROAD IS ONE OF SIX LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHERE WE HAVE HIGH WATER ROAD, UH, CLOSURE GATES, AS YOU MAY REMEMBER, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE A TEAM THAT WORKS ON ON A REGULAR BASIS, OUR STREETS DEPARTMENT, UH, THEY COORDINATE WITH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATES WITH POLICE AND FIRE ON THESE LOCATIONS. UH, WHEN THERE COMES DOWN TO A HIGH WATER, UH, SITUATION, UH, FLOODING OF ANY TYPE THEY COORDINATE IN REGARD TO THE CLOSURE OF THOSE GATES, UH, AND, UH, OTHER OPTIONS THAT THEY LOOK AT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THAT. SO JUST AS A REMINDER HERE, SOME OF THE SIGNAGE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE AT, UH, THE SIX LOCATIONS, UM, FLOOD GAUGES, AND THEN OF COURSE, SOME OF THE SIGNS THAT YOU SEE, UH, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ROAD MAY FLOOD AND DON'T CROSS WHEN FLOODED. UH, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE, UH, TYPES OF SIGNAGE THAT WE HAVE OUT AT THESE LOCATIONS. SO, UH, FROM OUR SHORT TERM, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, ROADWAY FLOODING, UH, AND IN PARTICULAR, UH, AT HOLFORD ROAD SEGMENT C UH, WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, UH, AND NOT ONLY THERE, BUT EVEN AT SOME OF THE OTHER LOCATIONS, ALL SIX LOCATIONS, CITYWIDE, UM, WE CONTINUE TO LOOK, AND THIS IS AN ONGOING PROCESS. WE EVALUATE, UH, HOW WE CAN ENHANCE THOSE, UH, LIGHTING SYSTEMS AND SAFETY, SAFETY, SAFETY SYSTEMS, OUR PROCESSES THAT WE GO THROUGH, UH, TO MONITOR AND MANAGE ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. UM, AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE ALYSSA, [01:25:01] THEREFORE YOU TO THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS. UM, I, I HAVE GONE OUT AND LOOKED AND TALKED WITH SOME OF OUR COUNTERPARTS WITH OTHER CITIES, UH, AND FOUND THAT WE DO HAVE A VERY ROBUST, UH, PROCESS IN PLACE, UH, WHEN COMPARED WITH OTHER CITIES AND THEIR PROCESSES. AND OF COURSE WE CAN ALWAYS LEARN FROM EACH OTHER. THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN LEARN FROM OTHER CITIES, AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING THAT OTHER CITIES ARE NOW EXPLORING, DOING AFTER THEY'VE LEARNED FROM US. SO, UM, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AT A COUPLE OF OUR LOCATIONS. I KNOW HOLFORD ROAD BRIDGE IS ONE OF THESE IS EXTENDING THE GUARD RAIL AND MAYBE ADDING SOME BOLLARDS IN THOSE LOCATIONS, UH, WHERE FLOODING DOES OCCUR ON OCCASION TO HELP MINIMIZE ANY POTENTIAL ISSUES THERE. UM, WE'RE, WE'RE CONTINUOUSLY LOOKING AT, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF SIGNAGE OUT THERE, BUT WE ALWAYS LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S THINGS WE CAN DO TO PROVE, AND, UH, AND THAT KIND OF SITUATION. UM, AND AGAIN, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, UM, COORDINATION OF, UH, FLOODING, UH, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, WHEN WE'RE GETTING HEAVY RAINS HERE IN THE CITY, OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TEAM MONITORS THAT, AND THEY MONITOR IT 24, 7, 365 DAYS A YEAR. THEY NETWORK AND COORDINATE WITH OTHER EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TEAMS FROM OTHER CITIES. UH, THEY WORK WITH THE REGION, THEY WORK WITH THE STATE. IT IS A HUGE NETWORK, AND WE CONSTANTLY MONITOR THE LEVEL OF RAIN THAT WE'RE RECEIVING HERE IN GARLAND. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED ABSOLUTELY ACTUALLY STATEWIDE IS RAINFALL AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT DEN THEN FLOWS DOWN THE CREEKS, UH, DOWNSTREAM. UH, FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW WE'VE HAD, UH, SOME INCIDENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED HERE AS OTHER CITIES HAVE, WHERE THERE WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANTLY HEAVY RAINFALL, SIX TO NINE INCHES, UH, AND A LOCATION. FOR EXAMPLE, IF COLIN COUNTY GETS HIT HARD WITH SOME HEAVY RAINFALL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT RAINING HEAVY HERE, THEN IT FLOWS DOWNSTREAM AND WE RUN INTO SOME FLOODING CHALLENGES. SO THAT NETWORKING, THAT COMMUNICATION IS SOMETHING THAT NOT ONLY WE ARE EXPLORING, BUT OTHER CITIES ARE EXPLORING, UH, THE NORTH CENTRAL TOUTS, TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT, UH, AT MANY DIFFERENT LEVELS ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT THAT OF HOW BEST TO ANTICIPATE RAIN FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS CAUSING FLOODING CONDITIONS IN, IN OUR CITY OR ANOTHER CITIES. SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO LOOK AT AS WELL. UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S AN ONGOING PROCESS BY STAFF. WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING WE CAN AT, OF ALL OF OUR LOCATIONS. I KNOW MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN, UH, IN BRIEFINGS BEFORE WHAT WE DO BETWEEN OUR STREETS DEPARTMENT AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE INVOLVED. WE'RE CONSTANTLY EVALUATING ON HOW BEST TO, TO IMPROVE OUR PROCESSES. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HAD TO REMEMBER AND KEEP IN MIND IS THAT THERE'S NO ONE SINGLE SYSTEM, UH, OUT THERE THAT WORKS FOR ALL LOCATIONS. SOME OF THEM ARE DIFFERENT. SOME OF OUR LOCATIONS, IF YOU REMEMBER, CAMPBELL ROAD IS ONE OF THE LOCATIONS WHERE WE OCCASIONALLY HAVE SOME FLOODING, BUT THERE'S NO BRIDGE INVOLVED THERE. UH, IT IS OVERFLOW COMING OUT FROM, UH, OTHER PLACES FROM CREEKS, BUT IT'S NOT A BRIDGE OVERFLOW SITUATION. SO WE'VE BEEN EXPLORING DIFFERENT TYPES OF TECHNOLOGY THAT CAN HELP WITH NOTIFICATION SYSTEMS. UH, THERE'S A TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE THAT BASICALLY ATTACHED A DEVICE. OTHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE, IT'LL SHOOT A BEAM DOWN TO THE WATER LEVEL, BOUNCES BACK UP. AND WHEN IT GETS TO A CERTAIN LEVEL, UH, THEN IT CAN SEND OUT A NOTIFICATION TO A TEAM OF PERSONNEL TO THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL CHECK TO MONITOR IT. THAT'S JUST ONE TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY THAT'S OUT THERE. UH, BUT WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THAT THERE ARE MANY OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES ARE NEW AND CUTTING EDGE. THEY ARE NOT KNOWN, RELIABLE ESTABLISHED, THEY'RE USED FOR OTHER PURPOSES. AND THEY'RE NOW BEING ADAPTED INTO THIS AREA. THAT'S REALLY RELATIVELY NEW IN THE TECHNOLOGY WORLD. SO WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF EXPLORING ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TECHNOLOGIES. AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN REACHING OUT TO OTHER CITIES AS IS, IT'S JUST AN ONGOING PROCESS FOR SAME THING WITH THE STATE, SAME THING WITH ALL THESE OTHER, UM, ENTITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE TRYING TO NETWORK AND COORDINATE TO FIND WHAT WORKS, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY, UH, TO, TO BE ABLE TO IMPROVE OUR PROCESS. SO THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW. I KNOW WE DID HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S AVAILABLE OUT THERE. WE ARE STILL EXPLORING ALL THOSE. AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT, I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT AUTOMATED ARMS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE GATES, IF THOSE COME DOWN, UH, THERE IS SOME TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE LIKE THAT, UH, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF MAKING SURE HOW EFFECTIVE IT IS. UH, DOES IT WORK? ARE THERE ANY MALFUNCTIONS THAT GO INTO IT? ALL OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES ARE COMBINED WITH THE HUMAN COMPONENT OF STAFF INVOLVED, ENGAGED. UH, WHEN WE DO HAVE FLOODING SITUATIONS HERE, OFTENTIMES WE'LL HAVE OUR, OUR STREETS DEPARTMENT STAFF. THEY ARE ACTUALLY OUT IN THE FIELD WHEN THERE'S ANY KIND OF FLOODING [01:30:01] TYPE SITUATION, THEY GET NOTIFIED BY WHETHER IT'S EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OR POLICE OR FIRE OR ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT THAT'S OUT IN THE FIELD SAY, HEY, WE GOT FLOODING CONDITIONS. THERE ARE NOTIFIED. AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY OUT THERE ON CALL, NOT ONLY ON CALL THEY'RE OUT IN THE FIELD, MONITORING THESE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. SO WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH ALL THOSE TO FIND OUT WHAT WORKS, WHAT WORKS BEST. WE'VE TALKED WITH SEVERAL CITIES, SEVERAL OTHER LOCATIONS, UH, AND WE'RE HEARING ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS. SO WHAT THEY LIKE, WHAT THEY DON'T LIKE SOME HAVE ALREADY GONE OUT AND BOUGHT SOME TECHNOLOGY AND SAID, NO, THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT VERY WELL. UH, THAT WASN'T AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT TO DO. SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE DIFFERENT WAYS TO IMPROVE OUR CURRENT PROCESS IN REGARD TO ROADWAY FLOODING, AND THEN THE TYPES OF, UH, OPTIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE TO MINIMIZE THAT IN THE FUTURE. SO, UH, WITH THAT MAYOR, UH, I ALSO DO HAVE, AND LET ME, UH, THROW OUT SOME, UH, KUDOS TO THE FOLKS THAT DID THE REAL WORK HERE AND PUT ALL THIS TO PRESENTATION AND ALL THIS DATA TOGETHER FOR ME, OF COURSE, STEVE OLIVER, OUR STREETS DIRECTOR AT GULF THAT ARE ON OUR PROJECT OR DIRECTOR OF PROJECT MANAGEMENT OFFICE, UH, SEAN GASPER, RICH, I THINK MOST ALL OF, YOU KNOW, FROM A CALM, UM, SO THEY COORDINATED WITH THEIR STAFF MEMBERS TO KIND OF PUT THIS DATA TOGETHER. SO OF COURSE, IF YOU HAVE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, I'M GOING TO TURN TO THE ENGINEERS TO ASK THEM THAT WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. VERY GOOD CUSTOMER SMITH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, YOU COVERED MOST OF THE NOTES I HAD MADE, UH, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS, UH, BACK OF THE NAPKIN, MATH SAYS WE HAVE ABOUT 20 MINUTES TO RESPOND TO A FLASH FLOOD, UH, FROM COLLIN COUNTY BEFORE IT MOVES THAT TWO MILES DOWNSTREAM. AND MY QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE THAT KIND OF RESPONSE TIME IN PLACE, OR, YOU KNOW, W DOES STATION SIX HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO OUT AND CLOSE THAT GATE BEING THE NEAREST, UH, GROUP? WHAT WE ADD ON THAT? SO WE DO HAVE, DO HAVE A, AS A BACKUP WHEN THE, IF THE STREET DEPARTMENT IS EITHER NOT OUT THERE, OR MAYBE THEY'RE AT ANOTHER LOCATION, WHATEVER IT IS, BOTH FIRE AND POLICE ARE BACKUPS. AND CAN THE ONLY CHALLENGE THERE IS, IF THEY'RE OUT ON A CALL, A STATION SIX OUT, I CALL THE POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE WORKING THAT AREA, NOT JUST THAT DISTRICT, BUT THAT IF IT HAPPENS TO BE A BUSY NIGHT, A FLOODING THING, THEY MAY BE TIED UP ELSEWHERE. SO THEN IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING SOMEONE ELSE FROM ANOTHER LOCATION, BUT OUR TEAM WORKS TOGETHER. IT'S NOT JUST WAIT FOR STREET DEPARTMENT TO CLOSE IT. AND ACTUALLY MANY TIMES IT'S THE, THE FIELD OPERATIONS PERSONNEL HAVE CLOSED IT. AND THEN IT STREETS COMES OUT AND MONITORS, AND THEN WE FIGURE OUT WHEN TO REOPEN THOSE GATES. SO THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER. WHOEVER CAN GET THERE, THE QUICKEST IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO. OKAY. BUT YOU SAID THAT OUR, OUR NEW PROCESS WILL BE TO MONITOR THOSE WARNINGS FOR COHEN COUNTY TO KNOW THAT IT'S ON THE WAY. OKAY. YES. SO, UM, THERE'S NEVER AN ABSOLUTE, UH, AND WE'LL BE MONITORING FLASH, FLOOD WARNINGS, UH, ALL THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF THINGS, BUT WILL WE GET EVERYTHING? SO THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE THAT WE'RE ADDING TO WHAT WE DO TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP THAT, UH, IN THE LOOP FOR ALL OF OUR STAFF THAT DO THIS. UH, BUT EVEN OFTENTIMES THEY MAY NOT REALIZE IMMEDIATELY HOW MUCH THEY GET. UH, BUT THE GOAL IS FOR, IN A PERFECT WORLD, EVENTUALLY FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES TO BE WORKING TOGETHER. AND HOPEFULLY EVENTUALLY TECHNOLOGY WILL HELP US WITH THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S, THERE'S EARLY DISCUSSIONS ON A REGIONAL TYPE, UH, SYSTEM THAT WOULD HELP WITH WATER FLOW AND CREEKS COMING DOWN. BUT, BUT FOR US, WE KNOW THE TWO PRIMARY CREEKS THAT WE HAVE COME FROM COLLIN COUNTY. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE MONITORING. SO CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT ABSOLUTE TIME, BUT I THINK THIS IS ONE MORE PIECE THAT, THAT HELPS. AND IT'S ONE MORE THING THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO WATCH. WELL, I THINK YOU TOUCHED ON AN IMPORTANT POINT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SEVERE WEATHER IN THE AREA, IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT STATION SIX, WON'T BE AT HOME IN THE BAY, THAT THERE'LL BE OUT RESPONDING TO THINGS. AND SO I KIND OF WORRY ABOUT LEAVING THOSE GATES IS ONLY A MANUALLY OPERATED THING. I'D LOVE TO SEE US PURSUE SOME AUTOMATION THAT WAY OEM GOOD, COULD HIT THE BUTTON AND CLOSE THEM OR STREETS COULD DO IT, OR WHOEVER NEEDS TO GET IT COULD HIT IT REMOTELY. UM, THAT ASIDE, UH, OBVIOUSLY LIGHTING IS A BIG ISSUE. IF YOU CAN SEE THE WATER, TYPICALLY YOU DON'T DRIVE INTO IT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LIGHTING LOOKS LIKE THERE AT NIGHT. I DON'T USUALLY DRIVE THAT WAY. UH, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF IF LIGHTING IMPROVEMENTS WOULD MAKE A MAJOR DIFFERENCE IN THE ABILITY TO AVOID THAT KIND OF HAZARD? SO THAT IS A YES. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE ALREADY EXPLORED AND WE'VE ALREADY COURSE NOT WRONG WHEN WE REACHED OUT TO DP AND L I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY AN ENCORE AREA THAT HAPPENS TO BE RIGHT THROUGH THERE, BUT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN MEASURING THAT. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST IF NOTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, INCREASING THE, UM, AND NOT, I CAN'T EVEN THINK OF THE RIGHT WORD HERE, BUT MAKING IT BRIGHTER OUT THERE. UM, SO [01:35:01] THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY ON OUR LIST. GOT, UH, JUST TWO MORE QUESTIONS. UH, AND THE FIRST ONE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I KNOW HOW TO ASK IT THE RIGHT WAY. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FIRE STATIONS MOVING AS PART OF THIS BOND PACKAGE. UM, ARE, DO WE HAVE ANY CONCERN THAT IF WE CHANGE THE TIMELINE OF IMPLEMENTATION, THAT WE WILL CREATE ANY DEFICIENCIES IN OUR COVERAGE AREAS? I DON'T KNOW HOW CAREFULLY THESE MOVEMENTS WERE TIMED ORIGINALLY, AND I DON'T WANT TO UPSET SOMETHING IF IT WAS PUT IN PLACE THAT WAY FOR A REASON. YEAH. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACT, THE OTHER IMPACT, EVEN BEYOND DISTRICT SIX OR STATION SIX. YES. YEAH. SO AS IT RELATES TO STATIONS, STATIONS ONE. YEAH. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE, I KNOW WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT AND THAT WAS A FACTOR INTO IT. AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT TIMELINE OF SOME OF THE OTHERS. UH, WE DO LOOK AT, AND WE DO WORRY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RIPPLE EFFECT. WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE THAT WE MIGHT MISS? WE CLEARLY KNOW STATION SIX HAS TO MOVE. WE GOT TO DO THAT BEFORE WE CAN CLOSE DOWN THAT ROAD, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO. UH, BUT THEN THE QUESTION WOULD BE, WOULD THERE BE ANY OTHER, UH, IMPACTS ON THAT? UH, AND I THINK THAT'S JUST UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME WHEN WE'VE HAD OUR DISCUSSION, SO, OKAY. UM, AND I GUESS THE LAST PIECE IS MORE OF A FUNDING FLOW QUESTION. I KNOW THAT COUNTY IS HEAVILY INVESTED AS A PARTNER IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. AND DID THE, UH, PROJECTIONS THAT YOU GUYS GAVE US IN THE, IN THIS PRESENTATION, DOES THAT ACCOUNT FOR WHEN COUNTY FUNDING IS GOING TO LAND? UH, AS, AS IT FACTORS INTO OUR OVERALL DEBT CAPACITY, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK FOR HELP. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ENGINEERING IT'S DUMPY EVENTUALLY. AND I WAS JUST GOING TO KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS UNTIL IT HAPPENED. SO, AND MAYBE JOHN KNOWS WE'RE STILL NEGOTIATING WITH THE COUNTY ON THE TIMING. UH, THEY'VE, THEY'VE COMMITTED TO HELP ON THIS PROJECT. UM, IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO WORK ON NEW SCHEDULE OR TO, TO SET NEW PRIORITIES, THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD ABOUT WORKING WITH US. OKAY. BUT WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE SCHEDULE FOR THE, UH, THE, THE SCHEDULE OR THE FUNDING FOR THE SCHEDULE THAT'S IN PLACE RIGHT NOW. SO GOT IT. OKAY. SO THERE'S NO GUARANTEE EITHER WAY, BUT THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD PARTNERS AND THEY WANT TO BE PARTNERS. I'LL JUST SAY THAT. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU BOTH. THANK YOU. MA'AM THANKS, SIR. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MORRIS. THANK YOU. UM, I KNOW I'M LOOKING AT YOUR SHORT-TERM IMPROVEMENT OPTIONS AND EXTRA LIGHT, I THINK IS, UM, IS ALWAYS A SAFETY MEASURE AND WILL PEOPLE SEE WATER AND STILL DRIVE INTO IT? WELL, YEAH, JUDGING BY THE FACT THAT THAT HAPPENS A LOT. UM, NOT ONLY IN TEXAS, BUT EVERYWHERE, BUT, UM, I WONDER ABOUT, AND IT DOESN'T SAY THIS SPECIFICALLY, IT TALKS ABOUT ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE IMPROVEMENTS. UM, LOOKING AT THE SIGNAGE THAT WE HAVE ALL OVER THE CITY, HAVE WE GIVEN ANY THOUGHT TO LETTING THOSE SIGNS BE INDIVIDUALLY LIT AT NIGHT, NOT JUST LIT FROM STREETLIGHTS AND SURROUNDING LIGHT, BUT ACTUALLY HAVE THOSE SIGNS THEMSELVES, UM, BE BACK LIT OR FRONT LIT AT NIGHT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S A POTENTIAL A POSSIBILITY? I THINK SO. WE'LL, UH, I'LL JUST HAVE TO GET WITH STAFF AND EXPLORE WHAT THOSE OPTIONS MAY BE. SO, YEAH. YEAH. I WOULD BE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF INCREASING LIGHT IN EVERY WAY WE COULD. UM, JUST BECAUSE THAT, I THINK THAT HELPS AND THE GUARD EXTENDING, UM, GUARDRAILS AND BOLLARDS HAVING BEEN IN A VEHICLE THAT, UM, WENT OFF THE TOP OF A BRIDGE, UM, BECAUSE THE GUARD RAILS WERE NOT, UH, EXTENDED FAR ENOUGH YEARS AGO. UM, I'M A BIG FAN OF MAKING SURE THAT THOSE ARE EXTENDED AND, UM, THAT CAN, THAT CAN BE HELPFUL. HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WON'T GET IN A PINCH LIKE THAT, BUT IF THEY DO THAT CAN BE THE DIFFERENCE, UM, BETWEEN STAYING ON THE ROAD AND NOT. UM, SO D DID STAFF HAS HAD AN ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THIS AND I DIDN'T HEAR WELL, AS FAR AS THE, YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE SHORT-TERM IMPROVEMENTS ALREADY. THAT WAS WHAT WE'RE DEFINITELY RECOMMENDING. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE PROJECT MOVE, WHETHER WE MOVE THE PROJECT UP AND MOVE OTHERS BACK, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD NEED DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. BUT YOU'RE ALREADY PLANNING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SHORT TERM IMPROVEMENT OPTIONS TO EVALUATE THEM AND MOVE FORWARD WITH ONES THAT CAN BE DONE. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, MAYOR CONSUMER MORE. THANK YOU, MIRROR. I'M MISSING. AND PROBABLY BECAUSE OF MY NEWNESS, [01:40:01] I'M MISSING SOMETHING. UH, WHY ARE WE WINNING AT THIS POINT TO PLACE ONE PROJECT? WE HAVE A PLAN. IT SOUNDS LIKE, AND WE'RE WANTING TO TAKE ONE PROJECT AND PRIORITIZE ANOTHER OVER IT. AND WHY, WHY ARE WE ASKING TO BEING ASKED TO DO THIS WELL? AND I THINK THAT'S THE, THE, IT WAS JUST A QUESTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HEDRICK THAT HAD A QUESTION ABOUT MOVING THIS UP. UM, AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF OUR SIX LOCATIONS. UH, I THINK WE ALSO HAVE ON THE LIST, UH, NAME AND SCHOOL ROAD IS ALREADY ON, UH, ON THE LIST FOR US TO BE, UH, YOU'RE REPAIRING, REPLACING THAT DEALING WITH SOME FLOODING ISSUES. AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ISSUES. SO I THINK THE, THE QUESTION WAS FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBER, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MOVE UP TO ADDRESS THAT SOONER THAN IT'S BEING ADDRESSED AND TO DO THIS GREAT. WE STILL HAVE TO FIND FIVE POINT SOMETHING MILLION MORE AND PROJECTS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YES, SIR. IF WE MOVE BACK THE, IF WE DELAYED THE TWO PROJECTS IN, IN HIS COUNCIL DISTRICT, CALAIS HOE ROAD AND HOLFORD REC CENTER, THAT GIVES US 12 MILLION. SO WE WOULD NEED ANOTHER 5.3 MILLION FROM ONE OR MORE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE COULD DELAY AND PUSHED BACK SO WE CAN MOVE THIS UP AND MAKE IT HAPPEN. THANK YOU. MA'AM OKAY. CAUSE WE REVERE THANK CAMARO. I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT, UH, MOVING WALNUT CREEK LIBRARY AND HOLLABAUGH CENTER TO, FOR THIS PROJECT. WELL, THOSE AREN'T NUTS, NOTHING. NONE OF THAT IS DECIDED THAT WAS THE REST OF THESE THAT ARE ON HERE. WE'RE NOT SAYING MOVE THEM. THEY JUST WOULD BE POTENTIAL OPTIONS. UH, AS STAFF PUT THIS TOGETHER OF DOLLAR AMOUNTS, BUT YEAH, WELL HOLLABACK CENTER, WE'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS SINCE 220 0 6 AND NOTHING HAS HAPPENED. AND NOW WE BOND, WE PASS THE BOND ISSUE AND THE PEOPLE BLOAT IT AND I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. MA'AM. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE. OH, OKAY. OH, OKAY. UH, SO NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. UH, GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, COUNSEL, GIVEN THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS PROJECT, I HOPE THAT WE COULD ALL FIND A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY AND I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO SHIFT ALL THE PROJECTS OUT OF MY DISTRICT TO PUSH DOWN THE TIMELINE. UH, THERE'S CERTAINLY NOT MANY IN MY DISTRICT AND I'M WILLING TO PUSH ALL THOSE THAT I HAVE. EVEN THE ONE THAT'S FROM THE 2004 BOND, THAT SMALL PORTION OF CLAY HOLE ROAD. UM, THIS IS, I FEEL IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT TO GET MOVED UP IN THE TIMELINE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. UH, I'M ALL FOR THESE IN THESE PHYSICAL BARRIERS, THESE ENHANCED GUARD RAILS, THE SLIDING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, AND THESE ARE ALL VERY GOOD MEASURES THAT WE NEED TO PUT IN PLACE AND, AND REALLY ENHANCE THAT, THAT THE PROTECTION THAT'S ALREADY THERE AND MAKE IT MORE OF A, MORE OF A SAFE ROAD. BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY HOPE THAT THE FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS COULD FIND THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT AS SEXY, THE DRAINAGE PROJECTS, THE OTHER ROADWAY AND PROJECTS THAT COULD WE PUSH IT OFF TO A LATER YEAR TO FIND THAT SMALL PORTION WITH WHEN CERTAINLY I DON'T HAVE THAT MANY PROJECTS AT ALL IN THE WHOLE BOND PACKAGE FOR MY, UH, UM, THE BOND PROGRAM. THERE'S NOT MANY IN DISTRICT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO PUSH ALL THOSE TO THE BACK, TO GET THIS PROJECT BUMPED UP. SO I HOPE YOU WOULD JOIN ME IN DOING THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANKS SIR. UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE. KESSLERING ROBYN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE CONCERN HERE, UH, AND, AND THE REASONS WHY I DO. UM, BUT, BUT I DON'T IN, IN, IN THIS INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, TH THIS IS NOT, UM, THIS IS NOT A LOCATION WHERE WE'VE HAD AN EXTENSIVE HISTORY OF ISSUES HERE, WHICH IS WHY I THINK IT ENDED UP WHERE IT DID ON THE, ON THE BOND PROGRAM. UH, WHEN WE, WHEN WE ALL SAT DOWN AND AGREED ABOUT THE SCHEDULING AND, AND, AND LOOKING AT FROM WHAT STAFF HAS PRESENTED US, WE'RE LOOKING AT 12 MONTHS OF DIFFERENCE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT, THAT I CAN JUSTIFY, UM, THAT AMOUNT OF CHANGE. AND IT'S NOT AN, IT'S NOT A, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE IT, YOU KNOW, NOT [01:45:01] NECESSARILY A, NOT IN MY BACKYARD TYPE THING WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, DON'T TAKE MY PROJECT MONEY. UM, BUT I, I THINK IT'S A PRETTY HEAVY LIFT FOR US TO START MOVING THIS, THIS STUFF AROUND. I, I SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S ALREADY THERE. THERE'S SIGNAGE THAT I FEEL IS LARGELY SUFFICIENT RIGHT NOW WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT. BUT I, I REALIZE THAT WE MAY WANT TO DO ADDITIONAL THINGS. I'M HAPPY TO DO THOSE ADDITIONAL THINGS BY FEEL LIKE MOVING THE, THE ENTIRE PROJECT AND RESHUFFLING, THE WHOLE BOND PROGRAM IS A BIT OF A HEAVY LIFT, UH, TOO HEAVY OF A LIFT AND, AND OPENS THE DOOR TO, TO OTHER ISSUES. UM, YOU KNOW, IT, AND I, IN MANY WAYS, I HATE THE SLIPPERY SLOPE ARGUMENTS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS BEFORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE TRY AND SLOT IN OTHER PROJECTS? SO WE'RE NOT BOND APPROVED. YOU KNOW, WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT, ABOUT GATEWOOD. YOU KNOW, I, I, DON'T, I'M, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT OPENING THE DOOR TO THAT CONSTANT KIND OF RESHUFFLE. UM, BUT I, I FULLY SUPPORT, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. I RESPECT THAT. UH, AND I FULLY SUPPORT DOING WHAT WE CAN TO, TO, TO MAKE ALL OF THESE WATER LOCATIONS, UH, YOU KNOW, TO STANDARD AND SAFE AND, AND ALL OF THAT. SO THAT'S MY TAKEOFF. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENT OR QUESTION? I SEE NONE IN THE QUEUE, I WILL SAY. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I CERTAINLY SUPPORT, UH, THE SHORT TERM, UH, IMPROVEMENTS, UH, TO THE HOLFORD ROAD BRIDGE AREA. I THINK THEY'RE, UH, I THINK THEY ARE CERTAINLY WELL, WELL, WELL, WORTH LOOKING INTO AND IMPROVING IN THAT SPACE OR IN THAT AREA. UH, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF STARTING TO, YOU KNOW, AS COUNSELOR ROBIN SAID, I, I'M NOT IN FAVOR AT THIS POINT OF, OF STARTING TO MOVE THINGS AROUND ON THE SCHEDULE. UM, BECAUSE I THINK IT, I THINK IT OPENS, IT JUST DOES OPEN THE DOOR TO, UH, SIX MONTHS FROM NOW. WE MOVED THIS ONE IN THREE MONTHS FROM NOW WE MOVE THAT ONE. AND I THINK THAT, UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY MITIGATE SOME OF THE ISSUES AT THAT BRIDGE, UM, AND, AND KEEP THE OTHER PROJECTS, UH, ON THEIR PROJECTED SCHEDULES. SO THAT'S, THAT IS, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. UM, THE COUNCIL, THE RECOMMENDATION, I, I, DID ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? I DON'T WANT TO SKIP ANY, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S GETTING IN THE QUEUE. UM, BUT, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, IS FOR THE SHORT-TERM IMPROVEMENTS. UM, IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION TO THE SHORT TERM IMPROVEMENTS IMPROVEMENTS? NO. AND THEN, UH, THE, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE FIRST PART OF THAT, UM, IS THERE, UH, ANY SUP WHEREAS IN FAVOR OF, UH, LOOKING AT THE SCHEDULE TO MOVE HOME FOR GROWED UP, UH, IS THERE, I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER HEDRICK, UM, IS IN FAVOR. UM, I DON'T SEE ANY OTHERS AT THIS POINT, SO, UH, WE WILL NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH UPDATING THE SCHEDULING. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. NEXT TIME, ITEM. [4C. Consider an amendment to GDC Section 2.05(K) regarding Reconsiderations of Previously Denied Zoning Cases] SORRY. NEXT ITEM IS ITEM FOUR C CONSIDER AMENDMENT TO GDC, SECTION 2.05 K REGARDING RECONSIDERATIONS OF PREVIOUSLY DENIED ZONING CASES. IT'S A LOT OF WORDS. IT IS MARY. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES, SIR. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL IN PERSON AGAIN. UH, THIS IS, UH, REGARDING THE, UM, UH, RECONSIDERATIONS OF PREVIOUSLY DENIED ZONING CASES. UM, THIS, THIS PROPOSED GDC AMENDMENT, UM, AND THE, UH, IT APPEARS THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION RECENTLY ON RECONSIDERATIONS. WE'VE HAD ONE OR TWO OF THOSE IN THE PAST YEAR, COME TO THE COUNCIL AND, AND WITH GOOD REASON FOR THE CONFUSION. UM, WE LOOKED AT IT AND IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S REALLY TWO TYPES OF RECONSIDERATIONS, IF YOU WILL, THAT THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE GDC REALLY DOES NOT DIFFERENTIATE. AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CONSIDERATION OF A SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT LAND USE AND PLAN, AND GOING BACK THROUGH PLANNING, COMMISSION AND COUNCIL FOR A DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT ZONING APPLICATION, UM, ON THE SAME TRACT OF LAND, UM, VERSUS A REHEARING OR RECONSIDERATION OF REHEARING OF THE SAME CASE THAT WAS RECENTLY DENIED. SO, UM, SO AGAIN, THE FIRST ONE, UH, AND THIS, THIS AMENDMENT TO THE GDC, THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD DIFFERENTIATE THE TWO AND THEY HAVE PROCEDURES, UM, OUTLINED IN BOTH. SO, UM, UH, JUST [01:50:01] A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES. UM, AND ONE OF THE NOTE, THIS, THAT ON THE, UM, REHEARING RECONSIDERATION OF THE SAME ZONING CASE, UH, MR. ENGLAND NOTED THAT, UM, IN THIS LANGUAGE, UH, HE DID CAPTURE, UH, THE EXISTING COUNTY COUNCIL POLICY ON RECONSIDERATIONS. UM, THAT INCLUDES THAT A MOTION TO GRANT RECONSIDERATION MAY ONLY BE MADE BY A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT VOTED TO DENY THE INITIAL, UH, ZONING APPLICATION. AND ALSO IT REQUIRES A THREE-FOURTHS, UH, SUPER MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COUNCIL. SO, UM, UH, MAYOR COUNCIL HOPE THAT, UM, KIND OF CLEARS THINGS UP A LITTLE, UM, I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AND MR. ENGLAND IS HERE AS WELL. OKAY. MEMBER SMITH, SORRY, MS. HANG ON MR. BUTTON TWICE. NO WORRIES. THANK YOU, MARY. UM, I, I SPOKE WITH LEGAL ABOUT THIS A FEW WEEKS AGO, UM, BECAUSE THE, UH, COUNCIL POLICY HAD SOME LANGUAGE FOR RECONSIDERATION. THE GDC HAD OTHERS, AND I HAD SOME CONCERNS THAT AN APPLICANT WOULDN'T KNOW TO LOOK IN TWO PLACES TO GET A FULL LISTING OF THEIR RIGHTS FOR RECONSIDERATION. UH, LEGAL WAS KIND ENOUGH TO, TO MERGE THOSE, UH, POLICIES INTO ONE. UH, BUT IT ALSO OPENED UP, UH, SOME, UH, SOME QUESTIONS AS TO HOW TO MAKE THAT POLICY FLOW A LITTLE BETTER AND MAYBE SOME MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO IT. UM, MY REQUEST THIS EVENING WOULD BE FOR, UH, THIS, UM, THIS POLICY REWRITE TO GO TO DEV SERVICES, UH, FOR JUST, UH, A REVIEW AND, UH, ANY MINOR MODIFICATIONS THEY WANT TO MAKE AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO A WORK SESSION. THANK YOU. MA'AM. THANK YOU, SIR. CUSTOMER WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, MR. ME, UH, JUST TO ANOTHER SUGGESTION, UH, I CONCUR WITH COUNCILMAN SMITH, A RECOMMENDATION, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS, HAS BEEN SORT OF AN AREA OF CONFUSION. UM, BOTH, I THINK, ALL PARTIES AND SEREN. UM, SO AS A PART OF THE REVIEW AND LOOKING AT THIS AND PUTTING THE FINAL TOUCHES ON THIS, THAT WE PUT SOMETHING IN THAT, HOW, HOW DO WE COMMUNICATE THIS? HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS COMMUNICATED TO APPLICANTS, THAT DISTINCTION THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, AND THEN THAT, YOU KNOW, CONSTANTLY HAVE TO JUST TALK ABOUT THE LANGUAGE IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING IN THE PROCESS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, ABC 1, 2, 3, THIS IS, THIS IS HOW WE CAN COMMUNICATE DISTINCTION BECAUSE, UH, I'VE READ THE GDC IN ITS ENTIRETY ONE TIME. YEAH. CAUSE I HAD TO READ, BUT I DIDN'T ENJOY IT. SO, SO YEAH, OUR ATTORNEYS, HOW CAN INSTANT WANT TO PUT THEM WHAT I'M GETTING AFTER HERE? HOW CAN WE OWN THE FRONT END OF THIS? ONCE, ONCE WE COME UP WITH A FINISHED, FINISHED PRODUCT, BUT DISTINCTION FROM AN AFRICAN STAMFORD, HOW CAN WE BETTER CRYSTALLIZE THAT FOR THE APPLICANTS? UM, COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, UH, WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING THAT WE ESTABLISH A POLICY, A WRITTEN POLICY, UM, THAT, UM, PROVIDES SOME INTERNAL PROCEDURES ON HOW TO COMMUNICATE TO THE APPLICANT ON THE FRONT END AND NOT PUT THAT IN AN ORDINANCE FORM. ONCE WE START PUTTING THAT IN ORDINANCE FORM, WE START PUTTING SOME MANDATES ON OUR STAFF THAT IF FOR SOME REASON, ADMINISTRATIVELY THERE'S A MISTAKE MADE, THEN THEY INADVERTENTLY MIGHT VIOLATE THE ORDINANCE. I WOULD RECOMMEND WE DO AN INTERNAL POLICY AND PUT THAT IN POLICY FORMAT, WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING. OKAY. THAT'LL ACHIEVE THE PURPOSE. YEAH. I SENT IT. YEAH. I LIKED YOUR SUGGESTION, BUT JUST TO POLISH, JUST SO THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING BECAUSE OF HER AND MOST OF THE CASES THAT HAVE COME BEFORE THIS BODY AT THE END OF THE DAY, POLITICALLY FROM APPLICANTS, THEY THOUGHT THEY THOUGHT ONE THING OR THE ONE THING AND THEY, THEY THOUGHT ANOTHER OR SOMEBODY. SO I THINK IT'S A PARALLEL ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY THAT THAT'S WRITTEN IN, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, NON BUREAUCRATIC TERMINOLOGY, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU. I KNOW FOR AN, FOR A LAWYER, I KNOW WHAT HE IS, BUT YOU CAN DO IT. YOU'VE GOT FAITH IN YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ANY, UH, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, UH, COUNSEL ORIGINALLY, THIS WAS GOING TO COME BACK TO US, JULY 20TH FOR FORMAL CONSIDERATION. UH, COUNCILMAN SMITH HAS SUGGESTED WE MOVE IT TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR A, ANOTHER LOOK THROUGH. IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION TO THAT? I SEE NONE. AWESOME. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THAT [5. Discuss Appointments to Boards and Commissions] MOVES US TO ITEM FIVE, DISCUSS APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. UH, TOMORROW NIGHT COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS [01:55:01] AND COUNCIL AND ROBYN HAVE SOME NOMINATIONS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, UH, THAT WE WILL, UH, CALL UPON EACH OF THEM TO ANNOUNCE THEIR APPOINTEES TOMORROW NIGHT. AND THEN NOW WE ARE TO ITEM SIX AND AS FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. IS THERE ANYONE WHO HAS FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS SEEING NONE, BUT OBVIOUSLY IF SOMETHING DOES COME UP BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, UH, WE KNOW THE PROCESS, ALL RIGHT, [7. Council will move into Executive Session] THAT MOVES US TO ITEM SEVEN. UH, COUNSEL WE'LL MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. UH, CITY COUNCIL WILL ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION UNDER SECTIONS 5 5, 1 0.071 AND 5 5 1 0.074 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE REGARDING ATTORNEY-CLIENT COMMUNICATIONS AND PERSONNEL MATTERS RELATING TO ONE THE IMPENDING RETIREMENT OF THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE WINDING DOWN AND TRANSITION OF HIS DUTIES, CONSISTENT WITH HIS PROFESSIONAL OBLIGATIONS TO THE CITY AND TO PENDING CONTEMPLATED WORKERS' COMPENSATION LITIGATION, UH, THAT WILL, UH, COUNSEL, WE WILL, UH, RECESS, UH, THIS WORK SESSION AND GIVE US A, WE WILL COME BACK IN 10 MINUTES. THAT GIVES US, SORRY. I WAS GOING TO ASK IF HE JUST GIVE US A COUPLE MORE MINUTES. CAUSE SINCE WE'RE AN EXECUTIVE AND WE GOT THE SPEAKERS ON, WE WILL BE CLEARING THE LAW. OKAY. HOW MUCH TIME WOULD YOU LIKE? I GUESS 15. ALL RIGHT. GIVE US TIME TO DO THAT AND SECURE IT. SO, ALL RIGHT. UH, WE WILL COME BACK AT 8 25 IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. NIKE * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.