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[Transportation Infrastructure Mobility Committee Meeting on July 20, 2021.]
WELCOME TO THE JULY 20TH, 2021 MEETING OF THE CITY OF GARLAND, UH, CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE IN MOBILITY.I HAVE OUR NEW MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, MAYOR PRO TEM, DYLAN HETRICK AND COUNCIL MEMBER.
ED MOORE, I'M HAVING A BAD DAY.
UH, I ALSO HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER.
ROBERT JOHN SMITH IS WITH US AND WE HAVE A CAST OF OTHER LUMINARIES.
THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE JUNE 22ND, 2020 21 MEETING MINUTES.
UH, IS THE SPEED HUMP POLICY? UH, ARE WE READY TO GO BACK? I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE BOTH OF THESE ITEMS WERE THINGS THAT I HAD THOUGHT THAT WE WERE COMING BACK TO AFTER STAFF HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
SO I GUESS YOU'RE READY CAUSE YOU'RE HERE.
SO WE'RE, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NEW FOR YOU.
I, I HAVE, I HAVE MY PRESENTATION FOR BEFORE WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE AT THAT THE COUNCIL MADE.
UM, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T, AS FAR AS I THINK THE OTHER ITEM WAS THE, UM, WAS LOOKING AT THE, UH, OTHER ALTERNATIVES FOR SPEED HUMPS AND I DON'T, I'M NOT READY TO PRESENT THAT YET.
THAT'LL TAKE A LITTLE WHILE TO PULL THAT TOGETHER.
YOU GUYS, DO YOU WANT ADD, DO YOU NEED FOR YOUR BENEFIT, DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE, WHERE WE ARE ON SPEED HUMPS? I THINK THAT REALLY HAD TALKING WITH YOU AND A COUPLE OF OTHER PEOPLE I'LL MOVE FORWARD.
IS THAT ALL COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THE SPEED HUMP DISCUSSION? UM, I PUT TOGETHER KIND OF A PRELIMINARY PATH FORWARD A FEW MONTHS AGO.
HAD NOT HAD A CHANCE TO DISCUSS IT WITH PAUL YET.
UM, IF IT'S THE, UH, SORRY WITH THE COMMITTEE, I CAN SEND THAT OUT AFTER THIS MEETING, UH, TO EVERYBODY, INCLUDING PAUL AND GIVE YOU GUYS AN IDEA OF WHERE IT WAS HEADED WITH IT, AND THEN YOU ALL CAN PICK IT UP MOVING FORWARD IF YOU, IF YOU CHOOSE TO AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
AND SO I THINK WHAT WE HAVE LEFT ON, ON THIS IS TO LOOK AT WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES ARE TO WORK WITH, UM, POLICE AND FIRE ON POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVE DESIGNS, UH, CHIEFLY HAD SUGGESTED SOME, SOME THINGS.
UM, AND SO I APOLOGIZE FOR BRINGING YOU GUYS HERE TODAY WHEN WE DON'T HAVE AN EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION ON IT.
BUT IF, BUT IF YOU HAVE INPUT, UH, CHIEF OR CHIEF, THEN WE'RE HAPPY TO HAPPY TO TAKE THAT.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS AFTER WE'VE HAD SOME TIME TO DO THIS, HAVE WE IMPLEMENTED THE STEED, THE SPEED STUDY PORTION OF IT YET, BUT YEAH, WE, I MEAN, READY TO DO THAT WHENEVER WE GET THE NEXT ONE.
AND SO WHENEVER YOU GET TO THE NEXT ONE, THEN WHENEVER WE GET THE NEXT REQUEST, OKAY, WE'LL START DOING THAT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE SET UP TO DO THAT NOW.
AND THEN I THINK AFTER SOME PERIOD OF TIME WE CAN COME BACK AND REVISIT AFTER WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT THE SPEED STUDIES LOOK LIKE AND WHATNOT TO KIND OF CRAFT SOME POLICY AROUND THAT.
LET ME ASK ONE QUESTION IF I COULD.
UM, THERE, I, AND I, I HAVE NOT CHECKED, BUT IF THERE WERE ANY SPEED HUMPS IN PROCESS THAT WERE ON A TYPE F STREET, I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY, BUT IF THERE ARE ANY, IS THERE ANY DIRECTION THAT YOU HAVE FOR THOSE WHERE THEY, SIX MONTHS AGO, THEY'VE SOMEONE CAME IN, WANTED IT ON A, IT HAPPENED TO BE ON A TYPE F STREET, BUT THEY HAVEN'T COMPLETED THE PROCESS YET.
SO IS THAT FALL INTO ANY DIFFERENT CATEGORY? I DON'T THINK HE FALLS INTO A GRANDFATHERED CATEGORY.
IF THAT'S A QUESTION WE MAY WANT TO REACH OUT TO THEM AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THAT FOR THE, FOR AT LEAST FOR THE TIME BEING THAT SPEED HUMPS ON, ON THOSE STREETS ARE THE ADDITION OF SPEED HUMPS ON THOSE STREETS IS SUSPENDED.
AND THEN ONCE WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE, I MEAN, MY HOPE IS THAT THAT WE'LL FIND A REALLY WORKABLE ALTERNATIVE THAT WILL, UH, ALLOW FOR SPEED HUMPS ON THOSE STREETS, BUT ALSO ALLOW FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO NOT BE IMPEDED BY THEM.
AND THEN, AND THAT AT THAT POINT, MAYBE WE CAN START
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WORKING ON THAT PROGRAM AGAIN OR WORKING ON IT WITH RESPECT TO THE TYPE F STREETS.AND THEN, AND SIMILARLY, AS WE GET DOWN THE ROAD AND WE GET SPEED BUDDY STUDIES AND OTHER THINGS, AS WE DISCUSSED AT COUNCIL, UM, THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT DOWN THE ROAD GETS MORE DRIVEN.
THE ADDITION OF SPEED HUMPS GETS MORE DRIVEN BY SPEED STUDIES AND NECESSITY THAN BY JUST KIND OF THE GENERAL.
I WANT A SPEED HUMP KIND OF MENTALITY.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR INPUT AT THIS TIME? UM, I KNOW I'VE HAD SEVERAL, WELL, AT LEAST ONE SPEED STUDY THAT HAS DONE IN MY DISTRICT ALONG GALAXY.
AND, UH, I BELIEVE THAT WAS THAT GALAXY TYPE F IS THAT TYPE OF F STREET.
I BELIEVE THAT, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T REMEMBER OFF HAND EITHER, BUT, UM, SEEMINGLY LIKE IF THERE'S A HUGE DEMAND AND THAT IT MEETS THE THRESHOLD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY WANT ONE, THERE STILL BE A PATHWAY FORWARD FOR THAT.
IF THE SPEED STUDY STILL DOESN'T NECESSITATE IT AND IT'S LABILE BY PUBLIC SAFETY AS WELL, SO, RIGHT.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
POLICY-WISE WHERE DO WE GO WITH IT? THE THOUGHT OF IT BEING, UM, I KNOW SOME CITIES HAVE LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, YOU KNOW, SPEED CONTROL.
ISN'T SOMETHING THAT CITIZENS SHOULD HAVE TO NECESSARILY PAY FOR.
AND THE IDEA BEING THAT IF YOU HAVE A SPEED STUDY AND IT SHOWS THAT THERE'S A SPEED CONTROL PROBLEM ON THERE THAT MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING IN THE CITY.
SO THERE WOULD NOT ACTUALLY BE A COST TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WHICH THEN YOU'D WANT TO, I DON'T KNOW.
MAYBE YOU ENDED UP WITH A BIFURCATED PROGRAMMERS.
I WAS GOING MORE FOR THE OPPOSITE END WITH WE DO A SPEED STUDY AND THERE'S NO SPEEDING PROBLEM SHOWN, BUT THE RESIDENTS STILL SWEAR THAT THERE IS THEN THEY, THEY MEET THE THRESHOLD FIRST NUMBER OF SIGNATURES REQUIRED AND COST AND ALL THAT.
WE'LL SEE MORE AND MORE TO BE DISCUSSED ON THAT WAY EARLY ON THAT I THINK.
BUT I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POLICY DISCUSSION DOWN THE ROAD ON, ON HOW WE HANDLE SPEEDING THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND, AND WHATNOT.
THAT'S ALL WE HAVE ON THAT THEN I GUESS, LET ME KNOW WHEN, YOU KNOW, STAFF, WHEN Y'ALL ARE READY TO BRING THAT ONE BACK.
WE'LL, I'LL, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN WE'RE READY.
I'M COUNTING ON YOU, MIKE AND BEN TO PUSH THE ALTERNATIVES, FIGURING OUT SOMETHING, UH, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
UM, WHICH IS NUMBER THREE, UPDATE ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF A VOLUNTARY BIO PROGRAM FOR PROPERTIES IMPACTED BY FLOODING OR EROSION.
I THINK THIS IS ANOTHER ONE AT THE LAST MEETING WE HAD WAS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA, I MEAN, I WANT TO GET YOU GUYS UP TO DATE ON IT AND WHERE WE'VE BEEN.
UH, I KNOW WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION OF IT, BUT I WANT TO GET YOU ALL UP TO DATE.
AND, UH, BUT THIS IS ANOTHER ONE WHERE WE'RE S WE'RE MOSTLY AT THE LAST JUNCTURE WHERE WE LEFT.
IT WAS FOR STAFF TO KIND OF LOOK AT WHAT THE OPTIONS WERE.
UM, BUT I'LL LET, UH, WELL, MICHAEL, GO AHEAD.
UM, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE, UM, I FELT IT WOULD BE BETTER SINCE YOU HAVE TWO NEW MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE WERE AT THE LAST MEETING.
THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION WHEN IT TO DRAINAGE.
SO I WANTED TO BRIEFLY REHASH WHAT I PRESENTED TO THE COMMITTEE LAST TIME AND KIND OF GIVE THE TWO NEW MEMBERS, A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE ARE WITH A LOT OF OUR, OUR DRAINAGE PROGRAM AND WHAT HAS BEEN DECIDED THUS FAR.
UM, WE HAVE DRAINAGE, IT'S DIVIDED UP INTO DIFFERENT CODES IN THE CITY.
THERE'S CODE A, B, C, D, AND E CODE A YEARS AGO, STARTED WITH WATER IN THE HOUSE.
THIS IS, THIS IS RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS WHERE THE WORD, THE DRAINAGE SYSTEMS IN THE SUBDIVISIONS MAY HAVE BEEN BUILT TO THE STANDARDS AT THE TIME, BACK IN THE FIFTIES, SIXTIES, AND EVEN SEVENTIES, BUT NOT TO THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM THAT WE REQUIRE TODAY.
AND SO A LOT OF THESE HOMES IN CERTAIN AREAS WILL FLOOD AND HAVE STREET FLOODING COSTS FROM THE STREET GOING INTO THE HOUSE OR FROM AN ALLEY, ET CETERA.
AND SO THAT OUR THAT'S OUR TYPE CODE A AND THE CA TIM COMMITTEE REPORTED AND RECOMMENDED THIS TO COUNCIL A NUMBER OF MONTHS AGO.
IT MIGHT'VE BEEN AT SOME TIME POINT LAST
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YEAR.IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY IN THE SPRING TO ALLOCATE A MAXIMUM, ORIGINALLY THERE WAS A BENEFIT TO COST RATIO.
AND THEN WE'VE, WE'VE CONSTRUCTED ALL THOSE.
NOW WE'RE GOING BACK TO PROPERTIES THAT DID NOT MEET THE BENEFIT TO COST RATIO, WHAT WERE CLOSE.
AND THERE WAS AN ESTABLISHED AMOUNT OF $15,000 PER PROPERTY TO ALLOCATE TOWARDS CORRECTING THESE DRAINAGE SYSTEMS AND UPGRADING THE STORM DRAINAGE SYSTEM AND THE STREETS.
AND OVER THE YEARS THAT'S WORKED, BUT THERE'S STILL SOME THAT DID NOT QUALIFY FOR THIS.
SO WE CAME BACK TO THE COMMITTEE AND DISCUSS THIS WITH THEM AND THEY RECOMMENDED GOING BUMPING THAT AMOUNT UP TO $25,000.
CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE HOME VALUES HAVE INCREASED OVER THE YEARS TO BUMP THAT UP TO $25,000 PER PROPERTY.
AND NOW WE'RE GOING BACK AND RELOOKING AT SOME OF THESE TO SEE WHERE WE CAN DO SOME REMEDIATION PROJECTS TO CORRECT THIS FLOODING AND TRY TO CORRECT SOME OF THESE ON MAYBE THERE'S LIKE TWO OR THREE HOMES IN ONE AREA THAT NEEDS SOME ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE, BUT WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDING TO DO IT.
AND THIS IS GIVING US THE, THE FUNDS TO ACTUALLY CORRECT SOME OF THESE OTHER HARD TO DO PROJECTS.
UM, SOME AREAS WILL STILL REQUIRE A LARGE SCALE REMEDIATION BOND PROJECTS.
SOME OF YOU HAVE HEARD ABOUT THE PARK MONT PROJECT THAT WE JUST RECENTLY COMPLETED JUST SOUTH OF, OF COUNCILMAN ALBAN'S DISTRICT.
UM, THAT WAS A LARGE SCALE PROJECT WHERE WE ACTUALLY WENT IN AND RECONSTRUCTED STREETS AND PUT NEW DRAINAGE IN UPGRADED THE DRAINAGE SYSTEMS. WE ACTUALLY EVEN PAVED SOME OF THE UNPAVED ALLEYS TO GET THIS AREA TO DRAIN.
UM, BUT THOSE ARE LARGE SCALE CIP OR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM PROJECTS, UH, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
BUT THOSE WOULD BE MORE OF ALONG THE LINES OF A BOND PROGRAM TYPE BECAUSE THEY'RE MUCH LARGER SCALE THAN WHAT WE CAN DO JUST FOR A FEW RESIDENTIAL HOUSES IN A SMALL AREA, UM, CODE B OR THE EROSION ISSUES, WHICH YOU HAVE ALONG CREEKS AND STREAMS WHERE THERE'S LOSS OF PROPERTY.
AND THIS IS ARMORING THE BANK.
AND WE TYPICALLY CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAMS WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNERS PARTICIPATE.
IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, THEY PARTICIPATE ON A 50 50 COST SHARE.
AND IF IT'S A, A BUSINESS THAT'S ALONG A STREAM OR CREEK, THE CITY PAYS A THIRD AND THE, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER PAYS TWO THIRDS IN THAT CASE.
AND WE HAVE THAT PROGRAM ESTABLISHED.
WE UPDATED THAT ORDINANCE, I BELIEVE IN JUNE OR JULY OF LAST YEAR, OR SOMETIME WE CAME BACK WITH A RE RE REVISION OF THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE AND IT PUTS SOME DIFFERENT INFORMATION IN THERE THAT SOME THAT WAS OUTDATED.
UH, ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION THOUGH IS STILL OUTSTANDING FOR THIS COMMITTEE OF PROPERTIES THAT EXCEED THE 50% RULE OF THE TOTAL VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, OR IT'S TOO COSTLY FOR THE PROPERTY.
AND R I'LL GET TO THAT HERE IN A FEW MORE MINUTES, CODE C IS PONDING WATER IN THE STREET OR ALLEY.
AND THESE ARE AREAS WHERE THERE'S SOME SUBSIDENCE IN THE PAVEMENT IT'S MAY HAVE SETTLED IN A CUL-DE-SAC OR SOMETHING, AND THERE'S PONDING WATER IN THE GUTTERS, THAT TYPE OF THING.
TYPICALLY TEAM UP WITH THE STREET DEPARTMENT, WE ASKED THEM TO GO OUT AND ASSESS IT IF THAT'S A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR POSSIBLY SOME LEVEL LIFTING WHERE THEY'LL DRILL DOWN AND THEY'LL THEY'LL, UM, UH, GUESS AT THE MUD SLURRY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT'S A POLYMER.
UM, BUT THEY USED TO CALL IT MUD JACKING YEARS AGO, BUT, UM, IT'S A POLYMER THAT THEY'LL INJECT AND BELOW THE SURFACE TO RAISE THAT PAVEMENT BACK UP TO RESOLVE THE DRAINAGE ISSUE, TO GET IT TO DRAIN.
IF THE PAVEMENT'S USUALLY IN POOR CONDITION, IT'LL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL A STRAIGHT REPLACEMENT, UH, FOR, BY THE STREET DEPARTMENT.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S TYPICALLY MOST OF THE CODE C PRO PROJECTS THAT IN AN ALLEY REPLACEMENT CODE DAY IS WATER IN HOUSE DUE TO CREEK FLOODING.
THESE ARE YOUR TYPICAL CREEK FUNDING PROJECTS THAT YOU SEE OR HEAR ABOUT ON THE FLOODING WITH DUCK CREEK.
MOSTLY MOST OF OUR PROJECTS ARE ALONG DUCK CREEK.
THAT'S OUR MOST PROBLEMATIC, UM, STREAM FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT MOST OF THOSE HOUSES WERE BUILT BACK IN THE FIFTIES AND FORTIES ALONG DUCK CREEK.
AND, UM, AT THE TIME THERE WAS THE FLOOD PLAIN MAPS DIDN'T COME INTO EXISTENCE UNTIL THE SEVENTIES.
SO THESE HOUSES WERE ALL BUILT WELL BELOW THE FLOOD, PLAIN.
AND THAT'S AGAIN, THE CONTINUED TIM COMMITTEE DISCUSSIONS, WHICH I'LL, I'LL BRIEF YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ON HERE IN A FEW MINUTES.
AND THEN OF COURSE, CODY GROUNDWATER ISSUES.
UM, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT YOU SEE AFTER A RAIN EVENT.
IT HASN'T RAINED IN A FEW WEEKS AND YOU'LL SEE THE PAVEMENT SEEPING WATER, OR YOU'LL SEE, UM, WATER SEEPING OFF OF PROPERTIES THAT FLOW ACROSS THE SIDEWALKS THAT BUILD UP THE GREEN ALGAE, WHERE PEOPLE SLIP AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
UH, WHAT WE HAVE IS, UH, WE HAVE A CURRENT POLICY OF WORKING WITH PROPERTIES ON AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS.
IF IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, IT'S,
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IT'S ON THEM TOO, RECTIFIED THEIR ISSUE IF IT'S FLOWING ACROSS THE SIDEWALK, BUT YEAH.COMING FROM PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT WE DO HAVE ALTERNATIVES FOR CURB THAT'S WHERE THEY CAN GO UNDER THE SIDEWALK, CURB CUT AND DAYLIGHT, SOME PIPES WITH THOSE SMART, WITH A FRENCH DRAIN TO ALLEVIATE THAT PROBLEM ON THEIR SIDE SIDEWALK.
UM, OR IF THERE'S AN INLET CLOSE BY, WE, WE, WE URGE THEM TO TRY TO CUT INTO THE BACK OF AN END WITH A PIPE AND LET IT DRAIN INTO AN INLET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
NOW IN THE STREET, WE, WE USUALLY TAKE NOTE OF IT.
AND WE, WE WORK WITH THE STREET DEPARTMENT ON WHEN THEY GO OUT AND REPLACE A STREET IN SOME AREAS WE'VE PUT IN SOME FRENCH DRAINS ALONG THERE THAT THE CITY MAINTAINS TO TRY TO KEEP THAT FROM, UM, THE SPRING PROMPTS FROM, FROM POPPING UP ON THE STREETS AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO THAT'S HOW WE'VE HANDLED THE CODY AND UNDERCURRENT POLICY THAT TIM COMMITTEE HAS KIND OF RECOMMENDED THAT WE CONTINUE WITH THAT POLICY.
NOW GOING BACK TO CODE A WATER AND HOUSE, AND THIS IS NEW, THE LOCALIZED FLOODING, AND THIS IS A NON CREEK SITUATION.
WE'VE MENTIONED THAT THERE'S ONE OF THE SOLUTION SOLUTIONS WAS MORE OF A CIP PROJECT IN SOME CASES AROUND THE CITY.
AND THIS WILL NEED TO BE DISCUSSED IN MORE DETAIL BY THE TIM ONCE WE BRING BACK SOME OTHER INFORMATION.
BUT AN EXAMPLE THAT I USE IS SENTARA DRIVE ADDRESSES.
THE CURRENT PROTECTION IS ROUGHLY A 75 YEAR STORM FOR THESE PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, THERE'S ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE ADDRESSES THAT FLOODED.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT STORY STORM EVENT.
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY AND TO ACHIEVE A PROTECTION FOR A HUNDRED YEAR STORM EVENT, THE COST WOULD BE PROHIBITIVE TO PUT IN THE STORM SEWER SYSTEM THAT NEEDED TO BE INSTALLED TO PROTECT THESE FOUR OR FIVE HOUSES FROM A A HUNDRED YEAR STORM.
SO THEY'RE PROTECTED FROM A 75 YEAR EVENT BASED ON WHEN THEY WERE CONSTRUCTED BY TODAY'S STANDARDS, BUT THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED YEAR THAT WE BUILD FOR NOW, IT WOULD BE COST PROHIBITIVE AS FAR AS ANY KIND OF BENEFIT TO COST RATIO WITH THESE PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THIS LIST WHEN WE GET TO TALK ABOUT THAT, WHEN WE START DISCUSSING THE BUYOUT PROGRAM CODE B EROSION ALONG CREEK STREAMS AND CHANNELS AGAIN, SPRING CREEK AND ITS TRIBUTARIES ARE PROBABLY THE MOST ARE THE MOST PROBLEMATIC FOR THE CITY.
UM, RARELY DOES DO THE, DOES THE CHANNEL REALLY GET OUT OF ITS BANKS IN MOST AREAS, ALL THESE TRIBUTARIES, BUT WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS THERE'S EROSION ON THE ROCK FROM UNDERNEATH.
AND THEN WHAT YOU END UP HAVING IS LARGE SLOUGHING OF THE PROPERTY ABOVE AND LARGE FAILURES, UM, WHERE PROPERTY OWNERS LOSE ANYWHERE FROM FOUR TO FIVE, SIX FEET.
IN ONE CASE, THERE WAS ABOUT AN EIGHT FOOT, UM, PROPERTY LOSS ON ONE STORM EVENT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, UM, PROPERTIES DON'T QUALIFY UNDER THIS ORDINANCE.
UH, TYPICALLY THEY EXCEED THE 50% RULE ON THIS.
A LOT OF THEM ARE TOO EXPENSIVE AND EXCEED THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, 50% TOTAL VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD ELIMINATE THEM FROM PARTICIPATING BECAUSE THE CHANNELS ARE SO TALL AND DEEP THAT THE WALLS WOULD HAVE TO BE 20, 25, 30 FEET UP BEFORE THEY COULD PROVE TO BE ANY, ANY USE TO PROTECT THESE PROPERTIES.
SO THERE'S THE ISSUE WITH THAT.
AND THEN ALSO SOME OF THESE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS JUST CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY, EVEN IF THEY DO QUALIFY UP TO 50% OF THEIR HOME, THEY THERE.
AND THEN THEY SAY, WELL, THEY OWN 50% OF THAT.
THEY DON'T, THEY'RE SAYING, OKAY, WELL, IF I HAVE A $300,000 HOME AND I'VE GOT TO PAY $75,000, I DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY TO PROTECT MY PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.
SO THEY RUN INTO THOSE ISSUES AS WELL, CASE IN POINT, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF HERE, SLIDES OF EXAMPLES OVER HERE, OFF OF EDGEBROOK.
THIS WALL WE FOUND OUT WAS BUILT BEFORE THIS PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OF GARLAND BACK IN THE FORTIES.
I BELIEVE THIS IS OFF A DUCK CREEK.
THERE WAS A WALL THAT WAS BUILT.
WE ASSUME THAT EITHER THE COUNTY OR THE STATE BUILT IT YEARS AGO BEFORE THIS WAS ANNEXED.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THERE'S, THIS IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE IT'S ROCK, BUT IT'S BEEN UNDERMINED OVER THE YEARS.
THE WALL HAS SOME ISSUES WITH IT OF STABILITY.
UM, THEY'VE HAD SOME SUBSIDENCE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE WALL, BUT AT THE SAME TIME TO RECTIFY THIS PROBLEM TO TAKE THE OLD WALL OUT, BUILD A NEW WALL, IT'S WELL EXCEEDS 50% OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY VALUE IN THIS CASE.
AND THEN ANOTHER EXAMPLE WHERE THERE'S SOME EROSION, THIS IS UP OFF OF SPRING CREEK AND GLEN CANYON DRIVE.
THIS IS, UH, A TRIBUTARY INTO SPRING CREEK.
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THERE, THERE WAS SOME EROSION WHERE THE, THE ROCK WAS UNDERMINED, UNDERMINED, UNDERMINED, AND THEN JUST ENOUGH WEIGHT OF THE ROCK.AND, AND, UM, W THIS IS WHERE I WAS SAYING WHERE THEY LOSE ABOUT THREE, FOUR OR FIVE FEET OF THEIR PROPERTY IN ONE, IN ONE FAIL SWOOP.
SO A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES TO GIVE YOU SOME KIND OF IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ON THESE PROJECTS, AS FAR AS, UM, IMPLEMENTATION PROPERTY ON THE REPORTS.
AGAIN, THIS IS CODE D WE'RE MOVING ON TO CODE D WATER IN THE HOUSE DUE TO CREEK FLOODING.
I THINK THERE'S MORE SELF-EXPLANATORY AGAIN, OUR MOST PROBLEMATIC AREA IS DUCK CREEK.
AND SO FAR TO DATE IN OUR DATABASE, WE HAVE 154 PROPERTIES THAT HAVE REPORTED WATER IN THE HOUSE DUE TO CREEK FLOODING AND ALONG DUCK CREEK.
AND IN OTHER AREAS AROUND THE CITY, UM, 405 IS WHAT WE ESTIMATE TO BE THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT CAN BE INUNDATED IN THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM.
IS THIS THE SAME AREA THAT BJ WILLIAMS IS CONCERNED ABOUT? PRESENTLY RIGHT THERE ON DUCK CREEK? UH, UP TO THE MIC.
UM, AND THIS, BY OUR ESTIMATES FROM JUST MAPPING THIS OUT, UM, WE ESTIMATE THAT THERE'S POSSIBLY 405 RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN THE HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN CITYWIDE, NOT JUST DUCK CREEK AND THEN ALL ANOTHER 81 ESTIMATED COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD, PLAIN BASED ON JUST MAPPING IN THE DATA THAT WE HAVE DUCK CREEK, AGAIN, THE MAJORITY OF MAR ALONG DUCK CREEK AND THE TRIBUTARIES INTO DUCK CREEK.
AGAIN, THIS ONE IS OFF OF VALLEY COVID O'BANION ROAD.
UH, I BELIEVE THIS STORM WAS IN 2015, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
AND AGAIN, YOU SAY THERE WERE A NUMBER OF HOUSES THAT FLOODED DURING THAT STORM EVENT.
I THINK THERE WERE JUST ON THIS STREET ALONE, THERE WERE FOUR OR FIVE ADDRESSES ON THE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE THERE, MOST OF THE HOUSES TO YOUR LEFT OUT OF THE PICTURE WHERE THE OTHER CARS ARE.
UM, THEY ACTUALLY SIT A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AND I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THOSE HOMES ACTUALLY FLOODED.
SO, BUT JUST GIVING YOU AN EXAMPLE OF, OF THE TYPE OF CREEK FLOODING THAT'S THAT'S CAUSED, UM, FROM, FROM JUST HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT WAY TO WAY BEFORE WHAT WE DESIGNED FOR NOW.
UM, SO POSSIBLE DISCUSSION TOPICS, CONTINUE TO PUBLICIZE, OBVIOUSLY THAT, AND WE WILL, THAT FLOOD INSURANCE IS AVAILABLE FOR ALL TYPES OF FLOODING, NOT JUST CREEK FLOODING, BUT LOCALIZED FLOODING.
ANYBODY CAN PURCHASE FLOOD INSURANCE AND SOME ARE AT A DISCOUNTED RATE.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE NEXT ONE IS TO CREATE A POLICY OR ORDERS FOR VOLUNTARY BUYOUT PROGRAM FOR SOME OF THESE HOMES.
NOW, WHAT WE, THE STAFF SOUGHT AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD WAS, UM, CONCURRENCE FROM THE, THE COMMITTEE THAT THE CITY STAFF WILL RESEARCH OTHER KNOWN SUCCESSFUL PROGRAMS, WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED DOING, UM, IN COMPARING, TRYING NOT TO RECREATE THE WHEEL, BUT SEEING WHAT A LOT OF OTHER SUCCESSFUL PROGRAMS, ESPECIALLY WE KNOW THAT HARRIS COUNTY HAS OBVIOUSLY HAS A BUYOUT PROGRAM.
UM, AUSTIN, TEXAS HAS HAD BUYOUT PROGRAMS. I BELIEVE ARLINGTON HAS HAD A BUYOUT PROGRAM IN THE PAST, AND WE'RE RESEARCHING ALL OF THESE LOCATIONS AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH WHAT HAVE THEY DONE.
WHAT'S WORKED WHAT HASN'T WORKED AND, AND, UM, TRY TO CREATE SOMETHING WITHOUT HAVING TO START FROM SCRATCH ON THIS.
AND SO THE POLICY CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME THAT WE'LL OBVIOUSLY BE LOOKING AT IS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO ESTABLISH A MAXIMUM VALUE FOR CITY PARTICIPATION, ESTABLISHING THE MINIMUM PHYSICAL AND TECHNICAL STANDARDS FOR ELIGIBILITY IN THE PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, AMOUNT OF PROPERTY, DAMAGE, COST OF REPAIRS, FREQUENCY OF DAMAGE, DEPTH OF FLOODING, ET CETERA, PRIORITIZATION, AND MULTIPLE REQUESTS.
SO HOW DO YOU HANDLE THE DEPTH OF FLOODING IN THE HOUSE WHEN SOMEBODY HAS SIX FEET, AS OPPOSED TO SOMEBODY THAT HAS FOUR INCHES, WHICH W IF THEY BOTH APPLY AT FIRST, WHICH ONE DO YOU LOOK AT FIRST? IS THERE, IS THERE A PRIORITY AND THEN TO QUALIFY FOR MATCHING FUNDS? I WANTED TO ADD THAT TO QUALIFY FOR MATCHING FUNDS FROM FEMA, THE CITY MUST HAVE AN ADOPTED ORDINANCE OR BUYOUT POLICY IN PLACE BEFORE WE CAN APPLY FOR MATCHING FUNDS THAT I'M AWARE OF EVERYTHING WE'VE READ.
WE HAVE TO HAVE, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE TO DO THAT, AND THEN CREATE AN EVALUATION PROCESS ALSO FOR CODE B EROSION PROBLEMS. IF THE COMMITTEE WERE, WANT TO INCLUDE SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES IN THE BUYOUT PROGRAM AS WELL.
SO THAT IS A VERY BRIEF, QUICK OVERVIEW AND SUMMARY OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED THE LAST TIME.
AND AT THE LAST MEETING, WE, WE INFORMED THE COMMITTEE OF A T IT'D PROBABLY TAKE US A FEW MONTHS TO COMPILE ALL THIS DATA AND BRING SOMETHING BACK TO THE COMMITTEE FOR CONSIDERATION.
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FEW THOUGHTS TO SOME OF THAT, A LITTLE BACKGROUND.SO IT WAS PART OF THE BOND PROGRAM.
ONE OF THE APPROVED ITEMS WAS $4 MILLION FOR FLOOD-PRONE PROPERTIES.
UM, AND, AND AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME PROPERTIES THAT ARE UNLIKE THE FIVE TO 10 YEAR FLOOD ZONE.
UM, I THINK THERE ARE SOMETHING LIKE 25 OR 26 THAT WE KNOW ARE IN THAT ZONE AND THEY FLOOD.
UH, SO THE FIRST CALLS I GOT ON COUNCIL WAS FROM SOMEONE WHO'S WAS WONDERING WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TO FIX DUCK CREEK, UM, WHICH IS ACCORDING TO JOHN BAKER, UH, ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, A $250 MILLION PROJECT, UM, THAT MIGHT NOT WORK TO KEEP DUCK CREEK AND ITS BANKS, UH, ALL TO PROTECT, YOU KNOW, 25 HOUSES.
UM, AND SO THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED TO LOOK AT, BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE PROGRAMS LET THAT WOMAN WHO HAD CALLED ME, TOLD ME THAT HER HOUSE HAD FLOODED 10 TIMES IN ABOUT 50 YEARS.
UM, AND SO THESE HOUSES, THEY GO BACK OUT ON THE MARKET.
A LOT OF THEM ACTUALLY THROUGH THE FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM, UH, THAT WILL BASICALLY TOTAL THE HOUSE AND THEY'LL TAKE THE HOUSE, STRIP IT DOWN TO THE STUDS, AND THEN THEY SELL IT AGAIN.
AND SOME INTREPID SOUL THINKS THAT IT WON'T, YOU KNOW, THEY WON'T BE THE ONES WHO GET FLOODED OUT AND SO THEY BUY IT AND WE START THE CYCLE AGAIN.
UM, SO THE THOUGHT IS TO HAVE A PROGRAM THAT WORKING WITH FEMA AND THE FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM WOULD EVENTUALLY BUY OUT A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES BECAUSE THERE'S A COST ALSO TO THE CITY.
YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE HAVING TO SEND, UH, FIRST RESPONDERS TO FISH PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOMES AND, YOU KNOW, SWIFT WATER RESCUE, STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, MY PREDECESSOR ON COUNCIL SPENT, I THINK THAT WAS IN MAY OF 2015.
SO HE WAS STILL ON COUNCIL WAS BEFORE I WAS ON, UH, SPENT THE EVENING IN HIS ATTIC, UH, CAUSE THERE WAS WATER IN HIS HOUSE, WHICH BY THE WAY, IS THE ABSOLUTE WORST THING, WORST PLACE TO GO.
IF YOU HAVE FLOODING IN YOUR HOUSE IS TO GO INTO YOUR ATTIC.
UH, BUT SOVIET, UM, IN THE COST FOR A LOT OF THESE FOLKS IS PROHIBITIVE.
I RAN INTO, UH, TO, TO BILLY MAC WILLIAMS, NOT TOO LONG AGO.
AND HE TOLD ME THAT, YOU KNOW, HE HAD SOLD THAT HOUSE BECAUSE THE FLOOD INSURANCE WAS OVER A THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH, WHICH GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE, OF THE FREQUENCY OF THE FLOODING AND, AND THE RISK ASSOCIATED.
SO, UM, I'VE ALSO HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH, WITH PARKS, WHICH WOULD GLADLY TAKE OVER THESE PROPERTIES IF WE WERE TO BIND DEMOLISH, WOULD GLADLY TAKE THEM OVER AND MAKE IT PART OF THE PARKS KIND OF TRAIL WAYS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED ABOUT GOING UP THROUGH DUCK CREEK IS BY SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOU CAN BUILD A LITTLE PIECE, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE CREEK ITSELF AND PUT A BIKE REPAIR STATION OR REST STATION OR WHATEVER.
UH, BUT WE'RE GOING TO NEED IT.
AND I KNOW WE'LL TAKE SOME TIME POLICY.
WE NEED TO JUST PUT SOME POLICY AROUND THAT SO THAT WE CAN ENGAGE FEDERAL DOLLARS ON THAT AND LEVERAGE THOSE TO START TAKING CARE OF THESE ISSUES.
UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, AND I THINK YOU ALL WERE LOOKING AT IT AT SOME LEVEL, WE HADN'T MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR AWHILE RELATING TO THE EROSION CONTROL IS, UM, AS MICHAEL MENTIONED, IT'S PRETTY COST PROHIBITIVE TO COME IN AND DO ONE HOUSE ON A, ON A CREEK AND JUST TAKE THE MOBILIZATION AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THE NUMBERS GET VERY HIGH, BUT WHEN YOU CAN DO A LONG STRETCH OF IT, THEY DID A STRETCH OF DUCK CREEK, I THINK ABOUT 500, 400, 500 FEET.
IT WAS, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS THREE OR 400 FEET IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN ALONG, ALONG GLENBROOK THERE TO PROTECT THE ROADWAY YEAH.
TO PROTECT THE GOOD, KEEP LYNBROOK FROM FALLING INTO THE CREEK.
UM, UH, IT, IT, AND KIND OF THE COST PER LINEAR FOOT WHEN YOU'RE DOING 400 FEET IS SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE MOBILIZING SO MUCH.
SO WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO IDENTIFY CERTAIN CREEKS AND ARMOR THEM, OR HAVE SOME OTHER KIND OF EROSION CONTROL.
AUSTIN HAS, UH, I THINK, UH, AN EROSION CONTROL PROGRAM THAT HAS SEVEN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, WHICH STARTS WITH LIKE PLANTING GRASS AND GOES UP FROM THERE TO, TO BUILDING THESE BAG WALLS OR WHATEVER YOU CALL THEM AND THE RIP WALLS BACK WALLS.
UM, AND AT SOME POINT WE HAD HAD MATT WATSON LOOKED AT, WHAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF WE INCREASED OUR STORMWATER SHI, WHAT WOULD WE BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH? SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN IN PROCESS FOR A WHILE, UM,
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TO BRING FORWARD TO COUNCIL THE CONCEPT THERE, BEING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE EROSION OF SOMEONE'S, IF YOU LIVE ON A CREEK, THE, YOUR EROSION IS BEING CAUSED BY SOMEONE ELSE'S RUNOFF, UH, AND SOMEONE ELSE'S STORMWATER.AND SO THAT MAYBE BY LOOKING AT OUR STORM WATER FEE, WE COULD, UH, WE COULD INCREASE OUR CAPACITY OR ABILITY TO DO SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.
AND I DON'T HAVE ALL THAT DATA HERE, BUT WE'LL HAVE A FUTURE DISCUSSION OVER THAT.
UM, CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE ON MY RECOLLECTION OF THAT.
UH, WAS IT, WE WERE ON THE LOWER END OF STORMWATER FEES AND THAT RE UH, SOMEONE ELSE MAY RECALL MORE SPECIFICALLY, BUT RAISING US JUST TO THE MIDPOINT OF STORMWATER FEES IN THE METROPLEX WOULD RAISE I THINK, 50 OR $60 MILLION FOR, UH, FOR ADDRESSING THESE KINDS OF PROBLEMS. I DON'T REMEMBER THE FULL NUMBERS ON THAT.
UM, I THINK THERE'S SOME, CAN WE GO BACK TO, I THINK IT WAS AT A, I DON'T KNOW WHY HE WAS ON MY MIND.
THIS WAS THE LOCALIZED FLOODING, UM, AND THE DISCUSSIONS OF OTHER SUBDIVISIONS THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE TOO COSTLY TO, TO, UM, REMEDIATE INTO A HUNDRED YEAR PROJECTION.
AND THAT'S THE, AND ULTIMATELY, AS YOU HAD MENTIONED, UH, GATEWOOD, UM, GATEWOOD WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED BY THE BOND STUDY COMMITTEE.
AND THEN WHEN IT GOT TO THE, THE PART WHERE WE ACTUALLY MAKE THE SAUSAGE, UH, IF IT, IT DROPPED OUT AND, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER BOOKOUT, IT WAS HIS DISTRICT AT THE TIME COUNCIL MEMBER BOOKOUT BELIEVED THAT THAT THAT PROJECT WOULD ONLY HAVE BENEFITED.
I THINK HE SAID SIX PROPERTIES.
NOW, MAYBE IT'S MORE, I DON'T KNOW.
UH, BUT THAT, THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT HIS JUSTIFICATION WAS NEC PULLED OUT OF THE BOND PROGRAM.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS WHEN HE GOT BACK ON DID PUT THAT FORWARD.
UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE DID ANYTHING WITH IT ABOUT DOING THESE STUDIES.
I THINK WE DECIDED THAT IT WAS, WOULD HAVE TO COME UP AT THE NEXT BOND PROGRAM, BUT, OR, OR POSSIBLY, I GUESS NOW OUR PRA FUNDS, BUT HE TOOK ME BASED ON WHAT I SAW A LOT MORE THAN MONTHS, JUST ABOUT AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION OF IN HOW MANY HOMES WAS THERE ACTUAL WATER THAT THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN WATER IN THE HOMES AND WATER OUTSIDE THE HOMES THAT I HAVE TO WALK THROUGH TO GET TO MY CAR, BUT I DON'T.
AND, AND, AND TALKING ABOUT GATEWOOD, UM, AND I'M, I'M PULLING INFORMATION FROM MEMORY AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT, BUT NOT GOING OVER ALL THE PARTICULARS.
I DO REMEMBER THAT, UH, WE HAD A PRESENTATION FOR THAT MEETING WHERE EVERYBODY WAS SELECTING, BUT, BUT WE NEVER WERE PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE INFORMATION, BUT THERE THERE'S.
UM, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF SITUATIONS ALONG WITH THAT, AS FAR AS THE DRAINAGE ALL DOWN THERE BY, I GUESS I THINK THE STREET IS MAYFLOWER WHERE THERE'S A CHANNEL BACK BEHIND THERE, THERE IS SOME FLOODING THROUGH THERE, BUT MOST OF IT IS THE MAJORITY OF IT IS STREET FLOODING.
I THINK THERE ARE SIX ADDRESSES OR HOMES THAT WERE FLOODING, BUT THE MAJORITY, IT WAS STREET FLOODING AND PROPERTY DAMAGE TO CARS THAT WERE SITTING IN THE, IN THE STREETS ALL ALONG THAT AREA, BECAUSE ALL THESE STREETS DRAINED DOWN TO BASICALLY A BAR DITCH, RIGHT.
UNTIL IT CAN GET DOWN TO THE CHANNEL, THERE MAY FLOWER.
SO THERE WAS THAT ISSUE WITH BASICALLY JUST SUBDIVISION FLOODING, UM, THROUGHOUT, AND THEN ALSO, I BELIEVE THERE WERE ALL, SOME, SOME ISSUES WITH, UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH THERE.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC IN THERE.
THERE'S VERY, THE SIDEWALKS ARE HIT AND MISS ALL THROUGH THERE.
AND THEN OF COURSE, A LOT OF THE SIDEWALKS SAID LOWER THAN THE STREET.
SO WHEN THEY ARE INUNDATED, THERE'S DEBRIS ALONG MOST OF THE SIDEWALKS AFTER RAIN EVENTS.
SO THERE WAS SOME, SOME ISSUES WITH THAT.
AND THEN OF COURSE THERE'S A NUMBER OF HOMES ALONG THERE WITH ALL THE TRASH CANS OUT DURING, WE HAD PHOTOS OF ALL OF THIS, UM, ALL ALONG THAT AREA WHERE THE, OR THEY'RE PICKING UP AND, AND, UM, JUST ACCESS THROUGH THERE DURING WHILE THE, WHILE THE TRACK ON TRASH DAYS AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO THERE WERE A NUMBER OF ISSUES ALL ALONG THERE.
UM, FLOODING BEING ONE OF THE MAJOR PORTIONS OF IT, BUT ALSO JUST ACCESS THROUGH THERE.
AND IT IS A FAIRLY DECENTLY TRAVELED ROAD BECAUSE SO A LOT OF SUBDIVISIONS, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY IN AND OUT OF SOME OF THOSE SUBDIVISIONS THROUGH THERE.
WELL, I DON'T, AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT TO THE NEXT BOND ISSUE
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FOR THAT, SOME PEOPLE HAVE AT LEAST 10, 15 YEARS, WELL I'M HEARING.AND I THINK THAT THAT'S ALSO, AS IT CAME BACK TO US IS A LOT OF THESE ARTS TO SCOPE QUESTION.
UM, TH THE ORIGINAL, I MEAN, IT CAME TO COUNCIL.
GATEWOOD WAS A RELATIVELY SMALL, IF I RECALL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECALL TILLING IT WASN'T A BIG PRO IT WAS, I MEAN, I SHOULDN'T SAY SMALL, BUT IT WAS IN LIKE THE TWO TO 4 MILLION RANGE.
I'M TRYING TO PULL UP THE NUMBERS HERE FROM OUR BOND STUDY MEETINGS, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IT'S NOT IMMEDIATELY HERE.
AND I'M FINDING IS I DON'T HAVE IMMEDIATELY NUMBER BASED ON WHAT HE WAS TELLING ME.
AND SOME REASON IT WAS POOLED OUT OF THERE.
AND AT THIS POINT, OF COURSE, HE'S VERY CONCERNED ABOUT EIGHT TO ME THROUGH, AND LET ME TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
AND WELL, I THINK THE BELIEF NOW IS THAT IT'S MORE LIKE A 10 TO $12 MILLION PROJECT, WHICH IS OF A, THAT'S JUST A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SCOPE.
THAT'S MORE THAN ANY OF THE DRAINAGE PRODUCTS WERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ALL IN THE TWO TO THREE, 4 MILLION, RIGHT? YEAH.
I THINK SATURN SPRINGS WAS ESTATES WAS BIGGER, BUT YEAH.
THE ONE THING THAT HAS COME UP, WE'VE PERFORMED SOME DRAINAGE STUDIES DOWNSTREAM OF THIS AREA ALONG MIAMI.
AND WE HAVE COME TO THE REALIZATION THAT THERE ARE SOME UNDERSIZED, UM, SYSTEMS UNDER BROADWAY THAT THERE'S SOME OPEN CHANNEL FLOW WHERE MAYFLOWER DIS UM, BASICALLY DAYLIGHTS AND DISCHARGES UNDER GATEWOOD.
IT DRAINS DOWN TO BROADWAY THEN GOES BACK UNDER, BUT ALL THAT SYSTEM IS UNDERSIZED THROUGH THERE AND THERE.
AND THERE'S A HIGH PROBABILITY THAT YOU JUST CAN'T FIX GATEWOOD AND DUMP THE PROBLEM ON SOMEBODY ELSE.
YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO IMPROVE THE DOWNSTREAM SYSTEM.
ONCE YOU FINALLY GET DOWN TO MIAMI IN THAT CHANNEL, THERE, YOU DO HAVE THE CAPACITY, BUT THE ISSUE IS ALL THE STUFF IN BETWEEN.
THERE IT'S NOT THAT FAR, BUT TRYING TO GET ACROSS BROADWAY, TRYING TO PUT THE CORRECT, UM, DRAINAGE STRUCTURES IN TO ACCOMMODATE THE DRAINAGE FROM GATEWOOD.
IT'S, IT'S A DOMINO EFFECT IF YOU WILL.
WELL, EITHER PROBLEM, WE WON'T SOLVE HERE IF A CERTAIN RIGHT.
WELL, I HOPE NOT, BUT IT WAS, BUT ANYWAY, SO ABSOLUTELY.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? OTHERWISE, WE'LL JUST WAIT FOR Y'ALL TO, AGAIN, JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU GUYS ARE READY TO HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS ON THAT AND WE'LL BE READY TO TAKE IT AND MOVE IT FORWARD.
AND WITH THAT, UM, OUR FINAL ITEM IS A REVIEW OF THE PENDING ITEMS LIST.
I JUST WANTED YOU GUYS TO HAVE A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH IT.
SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS WANTED TO TALK ABOUT OR THAT WE WERE MISSING, OR IF WE WANTED TO REORDER THINGS.
ONE THING I DON'T SEE IS THAT WE DID SEND A, WE DID DISCUSS IN COMMITTEE, I THINK TWO MONTHS AGO.
UM, SOME THAT I HAD PUT IN, WHICH IS ABOUT HAVING SIDEWALKS, PUTTING SIDEWALKS IN, IN AREAS WHERE THERE ARE NONE AND SPECIFICALLY DOING THAT AS WE DO.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S NOT ON THE LIST, BUT, UM, SPECIFICALLY IS DOING THAT AS WE DO SOME OF THE STREET RECONSTRUCTIONS OR THESE MAJOR DRAINAGE PROJECTS.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE DOING GATEWOOD, FOR EXAMPLE, AND YOU FIND THAT YOU HAVE A LOT OF PARTS OF THE NEIGHBOR DON'T HAVE ANY SIDEWALKS.
UH, AND WE JUST HAVE, WE HAVE PARTS OF THE CITY THAT ARE JUST LIKE THAT, THAT DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS, DON'T HAVE CURBS, WHATEVER.
AND, UM, AND THERE'S AN ISSUE OF, AND WE HAVE THE FUNDING.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE A COMBINED 9 MILLION OUT OF THE BOND AND SIDEWALK FUNDING, UH, FOR SIDEWALK, RENOVATION, INFANT, OR REBUILDING, AND FOR NOOSA, NEW SIDEWALKS ALTOGETHER, WE DID PUT SOME POLICY AROUND NEW SIDEWALKS, BUT THIS IS JUST KIND OF AN ADDITIONAL PIECE.
IF WE'RE ALREADY THERE TEARING UP THE STREET.
AND THE THOUGHT WAS WHETHER OR NOT TO MAKE THAT A, A STRAIGHT UP POLICY SO THAT THERE'S NOT A, UH, A STREET BY STREET DECISION WITH EITHER STAFF OR COUNCIL HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO TEVIN TO WAGE THAT WAR.
CAUSE WE GET INTO AREAS WHERE, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME PEOPLE WHO STILL LIKE, AS THEY PUT IT, THE COUNTRY FEEL OF HAVING BAR DITCHES AND WHATNOT, BUT IT IS A, IT IS A SIGNIFICANT MOBILITY ISSUE FOR FOLKS GETTING AROUND FOR FOLKS WHO WANT TO GET DOWN TO PARKS AND OTHER STUFF.
WHEREAS WE TALKED YESTERDAY LAST NIGHT, REALLY ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF SIDEWALKS IN NEIGHBORHOODS WHEN WE GOT PEOPLE PARKING OVER THEM, AND THEN WE HAVE OTHER AREAS WE DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS AT ALL.
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ALSO OUT THERE.AND I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT STAFF WAS GOING TO LOOK AT AND COME BACK TO US ON.
AND WE HAVE A POLICY ON THE STREET WHERE YOU CONSTRUCTION FALLS, NEW STREETS HAVE TO HAVE CURB AND GUTTER.
UH, DO WE HAVE A POLICY ON STREET RECONSTRUCTION? WHETHER IT, I DON'T THINK WE DO.
IT'S MOSTLY WE REPLACED RIGHT NOW.
IT'S MOSTLY WE REPLACED WHAT'S THERE.
IT'S NOT, WE HAD CURB AND GUTTER OR WE ADD SIDEWALKS, UH, BETWEEN YOU AND STEVE, STEVE, STEVE ON THE STREETS THAT WE RECONSTRUCT.
WE TRY IF SPACE IS AVAILABLE TO PUT SIDEWALKS IN, WE DID HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.
YOU MENTIONED DOWN, I THINK IT WAS ROCK CREEK.
AND THAT AREA WHERE WE SPECIFICALLY HAD RESIDENTS SAY THEY DIDN'T WANT SIDEWALKS BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO PUT THEM IN.
THERE WAS ROOM TO PUT THEM IN THE PROBLEM WITH SOME OF THESE RESIDENTIAL STREETS IS WITHOUT A SHERRI LANE OVER IN SOUTHEAST PARTS OF GOOD EXAMPLE, WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO REMOVE MULTIPLE MICK BRICK MAILBOXES, MULTIPLE PLANTERS, MULTIPLE THINGS LIKE THAT, WHERE WE JUST SEEMED THAT THAT WAS NOT WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANTED.
SO WE DID NOT GO IN WITH SIDEWALKS, BUT WHEN WE CAN PHYSICALLY CONSTRUCT THEM, WE DO TRY TO CONSTRUCT THEM AS WE REBUILD STREETS.
I GUESS WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHERE WE ARE ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, CAUSE I'VE WORKED ON STREET PROJECTS IN DALLAS WHERE WE HAD EXACTLY THAT IT WAS A BAR DISH TURNED INTO A STREET CURB AND GUTTER AND THE PART OF THE BID WAS GOING IN AND REPLACING ALL THOSE MAILBOXES AND PUTTING IN NEW DRIVEWAY PANS, ROLL THEM.
AND IT WAS COMPLETE TO THEIR NEW CITY OF DALLAS STREET STANDARD, WHICH IS CURB AND GUTTER.
THEY HAVE, THEY CALL IT COMPLETE STREETS PROGRAM, WHICH HAS WIDER SIDEWALKS AND, AND, AND ALL THAT TO PROMOTE PEDESTRIAN USES.
SO MAYBE A FUTURE POLICY DISCUSSION WE CAN HAVE AS WELL.
I'D LIKE TO, WHEN STAFF IS READY TO BRING THAT BACK AND HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION ON WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO HAVE AS A RULE OR, OR, OR WHAT LEVEL OF POLICY, UM, THAT'S ALL THAT COMES DIRECT TO MY MIND.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I'VE MISSED, COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH, ANYTHING YOU THINK THAT'S IN PARTICULAR INTEREST, ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE ABOUT WHAT'S ON THERE OR WHAT ELSE IS OKAY, THAT'S ON THIS LIST, YOU WERE SAYING THAT THE PROJECT ON THE BACKSIDE HERE, WE'RE STILL WRITING FOR WAITING TO REPORT THESE TO COUNCIL.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE WERE DISCUSSING IN COMMITTEE, BUT THERE ARE NO DATES WHERE WE REPORTED TO COUNCIL.
SO THE, UM, UH, THERE'S THE STREET HUMP PROGRAM IS I WOULD SAY, HAS BEEN PARTIALLY REPORTED.
UM, THE RECONSTRUCTION STANDARDS, I THOUGHT WE HAD REPORTED OUT.
WE DID HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT.
UH, AND, AND BASICALLY WHAT THAT IS, UM, IS ON, WE HAVE SOME STREETS THAT ARE, THE STREETS ARE NARROW, BUT THE, THE PARKWAY OR THE MEDIAN, THE GREEN STRIP IS RELATIVELY WIDE.
AND SO THE QUESTION IS WHETHER ON SOME STREETS, UH, YOU CAN, WHETHER YOU COULD ELIMINATE AND GO TO WHAT'S CALLED A CITY CURB WHERE IT'S, WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THE GREEN STREET, YOU HAVE SIDEWALK, CURB, AND THEN EFFECTIVELY WIDENED THE STREET, WHICH WOULD GIVE IT A LITTLE MORE ROOM.
IF WE HAVE PEOPLE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE PUT OUT AS, AS THE DECISION WAS.
AND I THOUGHT WE HAD REPORTED AS THE COUNCIL IS THAT IT'S AN OPTION, UH, FOR, FOR NEIGHBORS TO, TO ASK FOR THAT WHEN WE'RE RECONSTRUCTING THEIR STREETS, UH, I HAD ASKED THE FOLKS ON DEVIN WOOD ABOUT THAT AND GOT BASICALLY NO RESPONSE.
I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH RECENTLY HAD A STREET.
THAT'S ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN THAT.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS THAT REACHED OUT ABOUT TANGLEWOOD.
AND SO WE MAY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE THAT SOON.
AND, UH, WE'LL SEE WHAT THE, WHAT THE GENERAL FEEDBACK IS.
SO WE ARE SAYING IN THAT THESE HAVE NOT BEEN REPORTED BACK TO COUNCIL.
I THOUGHT THAT ONE HAD BEEN REPORTED, BUT YOU MAY, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECALL IF IT'S BEEN REPORTED OR IF YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT IT BEFORE, DON'T BELIEVE SO.
THEN THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD DEFINITELY REPORT OUT.
AND WE HAVE, I GUESS WE HAVE ON HERE THE QUARTER EXPANSION FROM BASS PRO TO 6 35, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AT SOME POINT.
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I, I DON'T OFFHAND, EVEN THOUGH WE TALK ABOUT THAT FROM TIME TO TIME IN THE RTC OFFHAND, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS.I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY, BUT WE CAN BRING THAT BACK AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
IF IN MY DISTRICT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SAY.
WELL, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A ROADMAP.
WHEN WE HEAR BACK ON A FEW OF THESE ISSUES, UH, THE STAFF IS WORKING ON, SO IT MAY BE THAT WE DON'T NEED A MEETING OR HAVE A VERY SHORT MEETING IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO, BUT WHATEVER IT IS, IT IS FIGURE IT OUT.
AND WITH THAT AT 5 48, 5 49, WE ARE ADJOURNED.