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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE AUGUST 16TH MEETING OF THE GARLAND PLANNING COMMISSION.

YES, WE'RE BACK HERE ON ZOOM, WE HOPED TO BE IN PERSON, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE FOR THE MONTH

[Call to Order]

OF AUGUST WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK ON ZOOM.

KEEP YOUR FINGERS CROSSED, LOOKS LIKE WE'LL BE BACK LIVE IN SEPTEMBER WHERE WE CAN SEE ALL OF YOU COME DOWN HERE.

TYPICALLY, WE START OUR MEETING WITH A PRAYER AND PLEDGE.

YOU'RE INVITED TO JOIN US.

TONIGHT'S PRAYER AND PLEDGE WILL BE BY COMMISSIONER LUCHT.

GOOD EVENING FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF, TONIGHT, WE MAKE DECISIONS THAT WILL SHAPE THE FUTURE OF GARLAND.

IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PROMOTE INNOVATIVE SPACES FOR OUR CITIZENS AS PLANNED COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE BAR AND RAISE IT ABOVE THE STATUS QUO TO MODERNIZE AND MOVE TOWARDS A MORE ESTHETIC PEACEFUL AND CONNECTED CITY.

WE CONSIDER THE FULL WEIGHT OF OUR DECISIONS TONIGHT WITH RESPECT TO ONE ANOTHER AND DUTY TO THE CITIZENS OF GARLAND.

THIS IS AN INVOCATION OF WELL WISHES TO OUR SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN, TO HEALTH AND GOOD FORTUNE AND HEARTFELT CONDOLENCES TO THOSE WHO SUFFER GRIEF FROM THE LOSS OF LOVED ONES.

THANK YOU. AND NOW FOR THE PLEDGE.

ALLEGIANCE] WELL, GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME AGAIN TO OUR MEETING.

I WAS GOING TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW COMMISSIONER, BUT I THINK SHE MAY BE BEING SWORN IN BECAUSE I DON'T SEE HER ON THE SCREEN.

SO ONCE SHE'S BACK ON, I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE YOU TO COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE] DISTRICT THREE, KIND OF LUMPY.

[Consent Agenda]

SOME MEETINGS, THEY JUST GO PERFECTLY.

ALL RIGHT. AND FOR THOSE THAT ARE GOING TO SPEAK TONIGHT, WE DEFINITELY NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO YOUR MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORD.

WE DO APPRECIATE YOU DO THAT.

APPLICANTS WILL GIVE 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

OTHER SPEAKERS, WE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES.

BUT IF YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OR SOMETHING, WE DEFINITELY ALLOW MORE TIME FOR THAT. SO LET'S GET ON OUR AGENDA.

FIRST ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA, OUR OUR EXCUSE ME, ON A CONSENT AGENDA.

THESE ARE ITEMS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE REVIEWED AND WILL BE VOTING ON IN ONE MOTION.

TONIGHT, ALL WE HAVE ARE THE MINUTES, SO I'LL WON'T GO THROUGH THE WHOLE DEAL ABOUT WITHDRAWING AN ITEM FOR SEPARATE CONSIDERATION, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND READ IT.

ITEM ONE A CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE PLANNED COMMISSION MINUTES FOR JULY 26, 2021.

DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? MR. CHAIR. OK, COMMISSIONER DALTON.

I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS POSTED.

AND I SEE THE FIRST SECOND LITTLE SLOW THERE COMMISSIONERS, THE OLD GUY, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS BEAT YOU. SO WE HAVE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DALTON SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS, ALL IN FAVOR SIGN THUMBS UP.

AND THAT APPEARS TO BE UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

ONTO OUR ZONING CASE, ZONING CASES.

ZONING ITEM 2A, WE'LL.

THIS IS A TWO PARTER 2A, 2B.

I'LL READ THEM BOTH OUT.

AND IF WE CAN TAKE THEM WITH ONE MOTION, WE WILL DO SO.

THERE'S A NEED TO SEPARATE THEM.

WE WILL DO THAT TOO.

ITEM 2A CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION OF ION DESIGN GROUP.

OH, I'M SORRY.

ITEMS 2A AND 2B THAT APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED POSTPONEMENT UNTIL OUR SEPTEMBER 13TH MEETING. OH, WE WILL NOT BE HEARING THOSE TONIGHT.

ALL RIGHT, ITEMS 2C AND 2D ARE ALSO PAIRED TOGETHER.

LET ME GO AHEAD AND READ THOSE.

CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION OF CCM ENGINEERING, REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO ALLOW FOR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED TOWNHOUSE USES.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT TWENTY ONE TWENTY SIX ROWLETT ROAD.

ITEM 2D CONSIDERATION THE APPLICATION IS CCM ENGINEERING, REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED PLAN FOR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED HOMES TOWNHOUSES.

THIS PROPERTY IS ALSO LOCATED AT TWENTY ONE TWENTY SIX ROWLETT ROAD AND TAKE IT AWAY WITH STAFF PRESENTATIONS.

GOOD EVENING. THIS IS THE REQUEST, AS STATED.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT FORTY THREE TOWNHOMES WITH AN OPEN SPACE AMENITY.

THIS IS THE CASE INFORMATION.

THIS IS THE CITY BY LOCATION MAP, THE STAR REPRESENTS THE GENERAL AREA OF THE PROJECT.

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THIS IS THE LOCATION WHERE THE PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN TEAL AND THIS PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, ONE IS AGRICULTURE, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE, AND THIS SITE IS DEVELOPED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

TO THE SOUTH, IT IS ALSO ZONE AGRICULTURE AND IS DEVELOPED WITH A CHURCH.

THEN WE HAVE A PD 7214, WHICH IS DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES.

THE PD 0605 IS A NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE USE AND IS DEVELOPED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

SF 10 IS DEVELOPED WITH A EVENT CENTER.

CR IS DEVELOPED WITH A SKATING RINK AND THEN THE SF 7 IS DEVELOPED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDS COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT

[6. Appointment of the Garland Housing Finance Corporation]

MEETS THE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALONG WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

THESE ARE THE PHOTOS OF THE AREA.

THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE.

THIS IS THE AGRICULTURE DISTRICT WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME OVER HERE IN THE CORNER.

THIS IS THE CHURCH, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, DETACHED, SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT IS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE USE PD AND THE EVENT CENTER.

THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED AS MENTIONED.

THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING FORTY THREE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED TOWNHOME UNITS AND AN OPEN SPACE AMENITY.

THIS OPEN SPACE AMENITY WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOME OWNERS ASSOCIATION.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING DEVIATIONS WITH THIS REQUEST FOR THE LOT AREA.

THE SFA DISTRICT REQUIRES TWO THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

[7. Hold a Public Hearing Regarding the 2021-22 Proposed Budget]

AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING ONE THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE SQUARE FEET.

THE PROPOSED LOTS RANGE FROM ONE THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED TWENTY FIVE SQUARE FEET TO FOUR THOUSAND AND ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTEEN SQUARE FEET, THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT IS TWO THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED AND TWENTY SEVEN SQUARE FEET.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUESTING FOR A DEVIATION IN THE DEPTH, LOT DEPTH.

THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR SFA IS 90 FEET AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING SEVENTY FIVE FEET. AND THE AVERAGE LOT DEPTH PROPOSED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NINETY NINE FEET.

IN ADDITION, IN ADDITION, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FOR A DEVIATION FOR THE NUMBER OF UNITS, AS PER THE GDC, THE SFA DISTRICT REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF THREE AND A MAX OF SIX UNITS ATTACHED.

AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A DEVIATION FOR THESE TWO UNITS, LOTS 17, 18, 19 AND 20.

AND THESE WOULD FUNCTION AS A DUPLEX.

THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING.

THEY ARE MEETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AS PER THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

SCREENING, WALL IS REQUIRED FOR A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ALONG A THOROUGHFARE TYPE D OR GREATER, WHICH ROWLETT ROAD AND ROAN ROAD ARE BOTH A TYPE D OR LARGER.

ALSO, THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING A SCREENING WALL ALONG THOSE THOSE TWO RIGHT OF WAYS.

[8. Hold a Public Hearing on Proposed 2021-22 Tax Rate]

THIS IS FENCE AND WALL PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED.

SO THIS PURPLE FENCE SHOWS IS THE SIX FOOT IRON FENCE WITH A MASONRY COLUMN ALONG THIS RIGHT OF WAY, AND THE RED REPRESENTS THE SIX FOOT MASONRY

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WALL. AND THE YELLOW LINE REPRESENTS.

A SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE WITH A CAP AND METAL POST.

THIS DEVELOPMENT ALSO HAS AN AMENITY ON SITE, WHICH THE APPLICANT IS MEETING THE

[Items 9A & 9B]

REQUIREMENTS AS PER THE GDC THEY HAVE PROVIDED FOUR FOOT WALKING PATHS.

HERE, ALONG WITH A GRILL, PICNIC TABLES, TRASH RECEPTACLES AND ALSO BENCHES.

THIS AREA IS CREATING A SPACE FOR RESIDENTS TO SOCIALIZE OUTSIDE OF THEIR HOMES.

THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED.

THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION, AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FOR A DEVIATION IN REGARDS TO THE GARAGES AS PER THE GDC GARAGE, GARAGE REAR ENTRY AN OFF SET FIVE FEET FROM FRONT BUILDING FACE.

AND FOR THE MIDDLE UNITS THE, WHICH ARE SHOWN HERE.

THESE TWO MIDDLE UNITS OFF SET FRONT ENTRY WITH GARAGE DOORS SIT BACK AT LEAST FIVE FEET BEHIND THE BUILDING FAçADE.

AND THEN FOR THE END UNITS, THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROVIDING A SETBACK FOR THE GARAGE FAçADE. HOWEVER, THE GARAGES ARE MEETING THE 20 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION.

SIDE ELEVATIONS SHOWING THE MIDDLE UNITS ENTRY.

3D ELEVATION.

SHOWING THE END UNITS AND ALSO THE MIDDLE UNITS.

THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS MEET THE BUILDING DESIGN REGULATIONS AS PER THE GDC.

AND THE APPLICANT IS NOW PROPOSING A [INAUDIBLE] SIGN WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.

BUT IF THERE WAS A SIGN IN THE FUTURE, THEN THEY WILL BE MEETING THE GDC REQUIREMENTS.

[INAUDIBLE] ELEVATIONS.

THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE DEVIATIONS, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A DEVIATION FROM THE FOR THE LIGHT LOT AREA OF THE GARAGES AND THEN ALSO THE ATTACHED UNITS. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUESTING AN ALLEY WAIVER, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT REVIEWED AND FOUND THAT THE LAYOUT IS CONDUCIVE TO ADEQUATE DRAINAGE MEETING THE CITY REQUIREMENTS.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF ONE, A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED TOWNHOME UNITS AND TWO AN ALLEY WAIVER. AND STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF A DETAILED PLAN FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOME UNITS ON A PROPERTY ZONED AGRICULTURE DISTRICT.

WE MAILED OUT 72 NOTIFICATION LETTERS, WE RECEIVED THREE IN FAVOR OF A NOTIFICATION, INSIDE THE NOTIFICATION AREA AND THEN WE ALSO RECEIVED ONE AGAINST INSIDE THE NOTIFICATION AREA.

THE TOTAL RESPONSES WE RECEIVED WAS FOUR.

THAT CONCLUDES STAFF PRESENTATION.

ALRIGHTY, YEAH SCREEN BACK AND ALRIGHT BEFORE WE START, COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE], ARE YOU DULY SWORN IN NOW? YES, I AM.

THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE WORLD.

ALL SIX OF OUR VIEWERS TO COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE].

SHE IS NEW FROM DISTRICT THREE, AND WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE HER ABOARD.

THANK YOU. GLAD TO BE HERE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON? OK I SEE A HAND RAISED. SOMEBODY KNOWS HOW TO RAISE THEIR HAND HERE.

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THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER LUCHT.

AND THEN DID YOU RAISE YOUR HAND, COMMISSIONER DALTON TOO AND THEN COMMISSIONER ROSE.

GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER LUCHT. HI, SO THE HOA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THE AMENITY AREA, BUT ARE THEY ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THE FENCING? THEY BETTER BE.

A TYPICAL TYPICALLY, YES, BECAUSE IT SHOULD ALL THE FENCING SHOULD BE IN AN EASEMENT AND THEY'LL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SHOULD BE AN EASEMENT MAINTENANCE EASEMENT THAT ALLOWS THE HOA TO MAINTAIN IT. I THINK THAT'S STANDARD POLICY IN ANY SUBDIVISION NOW.

AND HOW MANY OF THE OF THE SMALLER AVERAGE? SO THE AVERAGE LOT SIZES IS TWENTY THREE TWENTY SEVEN.

HOW MANY OF THE HOMES UNDER TWENTY THREE TWENTY SEVEN WILL BE PART OF THAT FORTY THREE UNITS? IS THAT THE HOME SIZE OR LOT SIZE? I BELIEVE IT'S, LOT SIZE.

I ACTUALLY HAVE THAT NUMBER.

I CALCULATED OUT IF YOU'LL LET ME MR. [INAUDIBLE]. EIGHTEEN POINT SIX PERCENT OF THE LOTS ARE BELOW TWO THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

AND MAYBE TO YOUR NEXT QUESTION.

SEVENTY SIX PERCENT OF THEM ARE SHORTER THAN 90 FEET.

OK. AND THEN I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THE ESTHETICS OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

I, I THINK THEY COULD DO A LITTLE MORE TO MAKE IT MORE APPEALING.

IT'S MY OPINION. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DALTON, HAD YOU RAISED YOUR HAND? NO? OK, COMMISSIONER ROSE THEN.

OK, SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THIS WILL BE A MANDATORY HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.

ALL WILL HAVE TO BELONG.

THAT'S CORRECT. OK.

SECONDLY, AND IF YOU GO TO A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT WHERE LOTS 20 THROUGH TWENTY THREE SIT, THERE'S A GREAT BIG VACANT AREA BEHIND.

WHAT'S THAT ALL ABOUT? ARE YOU REFERENCING TO THE DETENTION POND? I CAN'T HEAR YOU SORRY.

REFERENCING TO THE DETENTION POND? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LOTS ALONG ROAN ROAD? YEAH. RIGHT AT THE CORNER. THEY'VE GOT A PATH THROUGH THERE, A TRAIL.

OH, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. IT DOESN'T SHOW ANY KIND OF A PATH AT ALL.

OK, THERE YOU GO.

OH THERE YOU GO, SEE TWENTY THROUGH TWENTY THREE.

IT SHOWS THE LOTS GOING ALL THE WAY BACK.

IS THAT. WHAT IS THAT? YEAH, ALL THAT. THERE YOU GO.

THIS IS THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS FOR THOSE POTENTIAL HOMEOWNERS, SO THOSE LOTS GO ALL THE WAY BACK? THAT'S CORRECT. OH, MY GOODNESS.

ALL RIGHT. THANKS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER OTT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND REALLY THE AMENITY AREA, DO YOU KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A SHADE STRUCTURE ON THAT? PERGOLA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THERE'S NOT A STRAIGHT SHADE STRUCTURE ON THE SITE THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, BUT THEY ARE PROPOSING A VARIETY OF LARGE CANOPY TREES.

OK, ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE.

IS THERE A EXISTING SIDEWALK THAT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND THIS PROJECT OR WILL THEY BE REQUIRED TO HAVE ONE? THE WALKING PATH THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING, IT CONNECTS TO THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.

OK, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO GO AROUND THIS PROJECT.

CORRECT?

[Items 9C & 9D]

YES, ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAY.

OK.

AND I THINK THE REST THAT I ALSO CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER LUCHT, I'M NOT INSPIRED BY ALL THE SEA OF THE GARAGE DOORS THAT I SEE IN THERE, BUT I'LL HOLD SOME OF THAT FOR THE I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT WITH THE APPLICANT.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? AS USUAL, I'VE GOT I'VE GOT MY FEW, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS OF STAFF, OTHERS WILL JUST BE SOME COMMENTS MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN ADDRESS.

I NOTICED LONG LOTS TOO.

AND I WONDER IF THOSE ARE JUST PUTTING [INAUDIBLE] THE AVERAGE LOT DEPTH UP TO NINETY NINE FEET OR IF THERE IS A REASON THAT THEY'RE EXTENDED LIKE THAT.

OTHERWISE THEY COULD EXTEND THE GREEN SPACE FOR FOLKS AND POSSIBLY EVEN CUT THE WALL ON A

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CORNER. WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT TRAFFIC ISSUES OUT THERE AND NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE AROUND A CORNER. MAYBE THERE COULD BE A FORTY FIVE IN THAT PORTION WITH THE WALL AND EVERYTHING, WHICH WOULD OPEN UP THE SITE LINES, WHICH I'M ASSUMING TRAFFIC DIDN'T LOOK AT THIS.

AND HAVE THEY APPROVED ALL THE SITE LINES AT THE CORNER, EVERYTHING DO YOU KNOW, MR. [INAUDIBLE]? YES, SIR, THAT'S CORRECT.

TRANSPORTATION REVIEWED AND PASS THIS ALONG TOWARDS THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

YEAH. YEAH. CUZ THAT, I DON'T LIVE DOWN THERE, BUT I'VE DRIVEN DOWN THERE ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT PIECE OF ROAN ROAD IS CUT THROUGH FROM ONE AREA TO ANOTHER AND A TON OF HOUSES EMPTY UNDER THERE. AND IF THE CORNERS DANGEROUS, ANYTHING WE CAN DO WOULD HELP.

IF THIS DOES PASS? THEY'RE SHOWING TWENTY FIVE FOOT WITH LOTS.

THE MINIMUM ALLOWED IS 20 FOOT WIDTH.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CONDITION ADDED TO THE PD REQUIRING OF TWENTY FIVE FOOT WIDTH SO THEY DON'T COME BACK LATER WITH THE DETAILED PLAN WITH TWENTY THREE TWENTY TWO FEET, WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO PROVE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE STILL TECHNICALLY CORRECT.

SO I THINK A TWENTY FIVE FOOT LOT WIDTH WOULD MAKE A GOOD ADDITION TO THE PD.

I'D ASKED STAFF EARLIER ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING AT THE WROUGHT IRON FENCE.

I'VE HEARD COMPLAINTS ABOUT SOME DEVELOPMENTS ALONG CENTERVILLE AND SO THEY ARE PLANTING TREES THERE AND EVERYTHING, BUT WE COULD RECOMMEND EVERGREEN SHRUBS IN FRONT OF THE WROUGHT IRON. AND IT WAS ALSO POSSIBLY SUGGESTED THAT SINCE THERE ARE BUGS ATTACKING ASH TREES, THAT WE MAYBE ASK STAFF TO WORK WITH THEM ON THE LANDSCAPE PLANTS, SWITCH OUT THE ASH TREES SO THEY DON'T DIE IN A FEW YEARS.

LET'S SEE, TALKING ABOUT THE GARAGE DOORS.

THEY OFFER TO MAKE THEM AS ONE OF THE AMENITIES, CARRIAGE STYLE DOORS, I'D LIKE TO SEE A PD CONDITION THAT THEY ARE ALL WOOD STYLE CARRIAGE DOORS, THAT THAT WOULD LOOK NICE.

ON THAT FIRST SET OF DUPLEXES, WERE THERE TWO UNITS THEY COULD ELIMINATE THOSE THAT DUPLEX BY ADDING ONE UNIT TO TWO OF THE BUILDINGS JUST TO THE LEFT OF IT.

IN TOWNHOMES YOU'RE ALLOWED TO GO TO A MAXIMUM OF SIX UNITS WIDE.

AND ALL THOSE BUILDINGS ARE FIVE UNITS WIDE.

SO THAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED IN THAT WAY.

I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION OF STAFF HERE, YOU BROUGHT UP SOMETHING.

YOU SAID IT MEETS ALL THE GDC GUIDELINES.

IS THERE AN ARTICULATION REQUIREMENT IN AND OUT WHEN A BUILDING FACES THE STREET? BECAUSE THE BUILDING'S BACK ON ROAN ROAD AND THAT IT'S JUST A STRAIGHT ELEVATION AND I'VE DONE TOWNHOMES BEFORE, WE PUSH SOME FORWARD, PUSH SOME BACK AND GET SOME INTEREST GOING SO. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A REQUIREMENT ALONG ROAN ROAD FOR EVERY SO OFTEN SOMETHING HAS TO BE PUSHED OUT OR PUSHED BACK IN.

I KNOW THERE IS SOME COMMERCIAL, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT APPLIES TO RESIDENTIAL.

YEAH, WE'LL NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.

GET BACK WITH YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

ON ROAN ROAD YOU SAID CORRECT? [INAUDIBLE] YEAH.

THEY'RE ALL FLAT AND THEY DO FACE ROAN ROAD.

SO THERE'S NO ARTICULATION IN THAT, WHICH, AGAIN, I THINK IS A REQUIREMENT.

I DIDN'T THINK OF IT EARLIER, OTHERWISE I WOULD HAVE CHECKED IT MYSELF.

AND I SEE AND THIS IS THE ARCHITECT AND I SEE IN ORDER TO MEET THAT FIVE FOOT SETBACK THEY'RE BRINGING THE ENTRY DOORS OUT FIVE FEET IN FRONT OF GARAGES.

WELL, INSIDE THE UNIT, THAT'LL MAKE MAKE IT ABOUT A FOUR FOOT BY 20 FOOT HALLWAY TO GET BACK INTO THE UNIT.

SO THAT'S JUST AN OBSERVATION THERE.

AND ALSO ON A SITE PLAN, WHERE THEIR SITE PLAN IS LAID OUT NOW AS THEY HAVE DEPICTED THE FOOTPRINTS OF THE UNIT THEY DO NOT MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.

AND I THINK STAFF IS GOING TO GET WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SITE PLAN IS CORRECTED IF WE APPROVE THAT, BECAUSE IT DOES NOT SHOW ANY OF THOSE PORCHES ON IT.

IT SHOWS ALL THE GARAGES RIGHT OUT OF THE 20 FOOT STEP BACK SO [INAUDIBLE] JUST MY SHORT LIST. SO SORRY TO DO THAT TO YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSE.

AS PART OF THE MANDATORY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, WILL THERE BE A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE IRRIGATION FOR ALL THIS LANDSCAPING? THAT'S A REQUIREMENT. THAT'S A REQUIREMENT FOR ANY LANDSCAPING PLAN, A COMMERCIAL OR MULTIFAMILY. OK.

THANK YOU. YEAH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

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MR. CHAIRMAN, YEAH SORRY.

GETTING BACK TO YOU ON YOUR QUESTION, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANY FAçADE THAT FACES A PUBLIC STREET ABOVE THE FIRST STORY, NEEDS TO AVOID, JUST COMPLETELY FLAT ARTICULATION SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR TO THE APPLICANT AND THE PD CONDITIONS, THAT SORT OF THING.

THEY NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES.

WE CAN HAVE THEM DO SO.

SO THE DETAILED PLAN AS IT IS NOW DOES NOT MEET THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS AND ARTICULATION IN EITHER ON THE FRONT OR THE BACK, SO THAT IF IT IS APPROVED, IT'S APPROVED WITH THE PROVISION THAT THEY MEET THE ARTICULATION.

THAT THEY MEET THE ARTICULATION, I KNOW THE APPLICANT HAS NOT REQUESTED DEVIATIONS FROM THE BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS OTHER THAN THE GARAGE AND [INAUDIBLE] ON THE END UNITS.

BUT BUT JUST SO IT'S CLEAR ON ELEVATIONS.

WE DID ASK FOR SOME VARIETY IN THE ELEVATIONS JUST TO SHOW THAT THEY'RE READING THE SPIRIT OF THAT GGC REQUIREMENT AND THAT SORT OF THING.

BUT IF WE, WE COULD HAVE THEM TWEAK THE REAR ELEVATIONS [INAUDIBLE].

OK. THANK YOU. ALRIGHTY, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT'S HERE.

OH BOY, EVEN WITH NAMES TYPED OUT, I MISPRONOUNCE NAMES [INAUDIBLE].

COMMISSIONER'S QUESTION.

OH, WHERE I MISSED IT.

WHICH COMMISSIONER? ME, YOU IGNORING ME? OH, YOU'RE BEHIND MY CAMERA.

I'M SORRY, MY CAMERA SITS RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY SCREEN.

THERE'S USUALLY A COMMISSIONER JENKINS BEHIND THE CAMERA.

AND YOU KNOW THAT, RIGHT? SO RIGHT NOW, BEHIND THE CAMERA.

YEAH. COMMISSIONER DALTON.

YEAH. I MOVE OVER AND I CAN SEE YOU NOW.

THANK YOU. ON THE ARTICULATION ON THE BACK.

THAT'S THE ONLY PORTION, I BELIEVE THAT IS A TRANSPARENT IT'S OUR FENCING.

DOES THE AMENITY AREA COVER ANY OF THAT? THE BACK OF THE HOUSES, IS THE AMENITY AREA GOING TO BLOCK ANY OF THE VIEWS SO THAT ARTICULATION IS NOT AN ISSUE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? NUMBER TWO, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, WHAT IS TRAFFIC'S ESTIMATED NUMBER OF TRIPS PER RESIDENTIAL HOME OR TOWNHOME THAT WILL BE COMING IN AND OUT OF THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT? THAT WOULD BE DAILY TRIPS.

YES, I CAN ADDRESS THOSE, TOO.

SO ON THE SITE PLAN, IT DOES SHOW THE TRANSPARENT ORNAMENTAL FENCE JUST ALONG THE AMENITY AREA, NOT MISTAKEN, THE MASONRY WALL, ALONG ROAD ROAD WOULD BE UP AGAINST THE BACKS OF THE HOMES THAT ARE CLOSEST TO ROAD ROAD.

SO IT APPEARS, GIVEN THE SETBACK OF THE HOMES THAT WOULD HAVE THE ORNAMENTAL FENCE ALONG ROAN ROAD THERE IS THE AMENITY AREA, SO THERE WOULD BE SOME SET BACK THERE AND PERHAPS THE APPLICANT COULD MAKE SURE TO PLANT ADDITIONAL TREES IN THAT AREA TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE EVERGREEN SHRUBS, AS THE AS THE CHAIRMAN SAID EARLIER, THOSE TEND TO KEEP THEIR LEAVES YEAR-ROUND, PROVIDE SOME OPAQUE FEATURES TO THEM.

SECOND QUESTION, I BELIEVE MR. LUEDTKE IS ON THE CALL [INAUDIBLE].

IF HE'S IF HE'S LISTENING AND ABLE TO TUNE IN.

AND I BELIEVE WHAT I DO KNOW IS THE DEVELOPMENT DID NOT QUITE MEET THE THRESHOLD FOR A FULL ON TIA REQUIREMENT, GIVEN ITS FORTY THREE LOTS.

BUT HERE, HERE IT LOOKS LIKE MR. LUEDTKE'S HERE NOW. SO LET HIM EXPLAIN FURTHER.

ALL RIGHT, IF YOU WILL, GO AHEAD AND UNMUTED YOURSELF.

OK, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, CAN HEAR YOU NOW.

THANK YOU. OK.

YES. I THINK THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE NUMBER OF TRIPS? OH, YES.

WHAT WOULD WHAT WOULD BE WHAT WOULD BE THE NUMBER OF TRIPS IN AND OUT OF THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, JUST AS AN AVERAGE, NOT NECESSARILY ANYTHING THAT WAS LOOKED AT? I'M LOOKING MORE AT AN AVERAGE.

I MEAN, TYPICALLY WE SEE ABOUT A ABOUT 10 TRIPS PER DAY FROM FROM A RESIDENCE.

SO THERE'S 43 HOUSES TO BE ABOUT 430 TRIPS IN A DAY.

OK, 10 PERCENT OF THAT HAPPENS IN THE PEAK HOURS.

SO THAT'S ABOUT FOUR TRIPS IN THE PEAK HOUR.

RIGHT. OK, THANK YOU.

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT LET'S BRING THE APPLICANT ON.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO HAVE ONE MORE THING I'M SORRY.

JUST TO ADDRESS, ONE OF MY PLANERS JUST REMINDED ME THAT ARTICULATION.

IT MAY NOT BE A CONCERN HERE.

I FORGOT ABOUT ONE ITEM.

THAT WAS THAT IF THERE ARE WINDOWS, THAT THE INTENT OF THE CODE IS MAINLY TO AVOID FLAT BLANK WALLS.

IF THERE ARE WINDOWS PROVIDING THE TRANSPARENCY THAT CAN THAT CAN HELP MEET THE ARTICULATION REQUIREMENT.

SO VERSUS JUST HAVING BLANK WALLS ALONG PUBLIC STREETS THAT JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. ALRIGHTY.

YEAH. ALRIGHTY.

LET'S GO OVER TO THE APPLICANT THEN, IF YOU'LL UNMUTE YOURSELF AND IF YOU WANT TO GET ON CAMERA, YOU CAN DO THAT TOO.

HI, HELLO.

AND WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, FOR THE RECORD.

NAME IS [INAUDIBLE].

ADDRESS IS 1900 MCKINNEY AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS, 75201.

AND DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OR PRESENTATION OR ANYTHING OR.

OH, I WANTED TO START BY BY THANKING KIMBERLY AND ALL THE HARD WORK THAT SHE PUT INTO THIS, SHE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB.

WE HAD A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH AND HOPEFULLY WE WERE ABLE TO TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE CITY OF GARLAND. WE ARE WILLING TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON THE ITEMS THAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT. WE FEEL THIS IS A NICE ADDITION TO THE CITY.

IT'S A BIT OF A BUFFER FROM DOING JUST STRAIGHT COMMERCIAL RIGHT NEXT TO THE HOMES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, BECAUSE THAT CORNER, I THINK, COULD BE A COMMERCIAL CORNER.

BUT WE LOOKED AT IT AND AND THOUGHT TOWNHOMES WOULD MAKE A BETTER BUFFER.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OTHER THAN WE ARE EAGER AND WILLING TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON THE DESIGN, ON THE PLAN, ON THE ON THE PARK STRUCTURES AND SO ON. SO IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT WITH THE CITY.

ALRIGHTY, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT HERE? SORRY FOR BUTCHERING YOUR NAME, BUT.

YOU WOULD NOT BE THE FIRST.

ALL RIGHTY, THANK YOU. AND STAY TUNED, WE HAVE SOME CITIZENS AND WE'LL ASK YOU BACK IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

OK. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. AND WE HAVE A I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE WILL COME FIRST.

MIKE WESTLING OR JASON BROOKS, ARE THEY BOTH UP HERE ? I SEE ONE RAISED HAND HERE.

GO AHEAD AND UNMUTE SIR.

GO AHEAD. I HEAR MICROPHONE, MR. BROOKS. WE DON'T HEAR YOU, SIR.

STILL DON'T HEAR YOU.

TRACEY, A MR. WESTLING NOT SIGNED UP YET OR LUCK, OK, GO AHEAD AND TRY AGAIN.

I SEE SOMEBODY RAISED THEIR HAND, BUT I DON'T HAVE IT HERE.

MR. BROOKS. SHOWS THAT YOUR MICROPHONE'S LIVE, BUT WE DON'T HEAR YOU.

THERE WE GO.

OK, I'M SORRY.

I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE.

SO MY NAME IS JASON BROOKS.

MY ADDRESS IS 3805 CEDAR CREEK DRIVE, AND THAT'S HERE IN GARLAND, 75043.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I WANT TO THIS IS MY FIRST TIME SPEAKING BEFORE THE COMMISSION, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME HERE WITH THE THE FORMS THAT WERE SENT IN.

I WAS, WHEN THE PLANNER WAS GIVING THE PRESENTATION.

I KNOW PERSONALLY SEVERAL FORMS THAT WERE SENT IN OPPOSITION.

SO I'M NOT SURE, INCLUDING MY OWN.

I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW THOSE ARE COUNTED OR WHAT THE TIME [INAUDIBLE].

WE ALL GOT AND WE ALL [INAUDIBLE].

AND IT'S TOUGH KEEPING UP WITH THE COUNT.

SO I'M SURE.

I'M SURE. WELL, SO WHAT I KIND OF WANT TO JUST EXPLAIN AND I APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPER BEING HERE AND HIS WILLINGNESS TO LISTEN TO US AS WELL AS, AGAIN, THE COMMISSIONER, THE

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COMMISSIONERS. YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN IN GARLAND BUT BACK OF THE 1980S, DANNY FALKINER AND HIS ASSOCIATES WANTED TO BUILD APARTMENTS IN THIS SAME AREA, AND WE FOUGHT TO KEEP IT FROM HAPPENING BACK THEN.

BUT BACK THEN I WAS A CHILD, BUT MY DAD OWNED THE HOUSE I LIVE IN NOW.

AND SO WHEN I SAY WE, I JUST MEAN THAT IS THE GENERALITIES.

THE CITIZENS THAT LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, KNOW A LOT.

WHILE THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT THE SAME THING, THE FACT REMAINS THAT THE CITIZENS WHO WOULD BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THIS CHANGE HAVE REALLY NOT HAD AN APPETITE FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING HOMES PRETTY MUCH FOR OVER 40 YEARS NOW.

THERE ARE SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS, WHILE ALL THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS OTHER THAN

[10. Consider appointments to Boards and Commissions.]

COMMERCIAL AND OF COURSE, LAKEVIEW HAVE BEEN ARE ALL SINGLE DWELLING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

THAT ALSO INCLUDES A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SAME INTERSECTION, AS WELL AS THE NEARBY ROSE HILL EDITION THAT I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH, IN MY OPINION. FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I JUST THINK IT'S BETTER IT WOULD BE BETTER SUITED FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD DISAGREE THAT THERE'S THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH THE MARKET. I MEAN, THE MARKET WOULD CERTAINLY HOLD SOME MORE HOMES.

AND THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING I WANT TO SAY.

AGAIN, I JUST I HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD POTENTIALLY GIVE US MORE TIME TO TO TO BRING MORE PEOPLE TO A MEETING TO TO TO SHOW THAT THE DISAGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THIS, BUT, OF COURSE, RESPECT EVERYTHING YOU ALL DO.

AND I RESPECT WHATEVER DECISION YOU MAKE.

BUT THEN I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME.

ANY ANY QUESTIONS TO THIS GENTLEMAN? I WILL POINT OUT THIS IS A TWO PHASED PROCESS.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING BODY ONLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO THERE'LL BE ANOTHER CHANCE TO APPROACH THE CITY COUNCIL AND GET MORE PEOPLE TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT IT. ONE THING THE APPLICANT DID POINT OUT IS THIS IS AGRICULTURAL ZONING.

SO THAT LEAVES IT OPEN TO BEING REZONED COMMERCIAL, RETAIL AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO THERE ARE ALSO THOSE ALTERNATIVE, SOME BETTER THAN OTHERS THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. AND BEFORE I ASK YOU BACK, LET ME SEE IF MR. WESTLING IS HERE. THERE HE IS, AND IF YOU GO AHEAD AND UNMUTE YOURSELF, SIR, WE'LL.

AND IF YOU WANT TO SHOW US YOUR FACE.

WE'LL DO THAT, TOO. BUT THE NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

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YOU COULD SEE THE FACE IF I KNEW WHAT I WAS DOING HERE.

BUT ANYWAY, TO MR. BROOKS'S POINT. I'VE LIVED IN MY HOUSE AT 3804 [INAUDIBLE] TRAIL AND I'VE LIVED IN THE HOUSE SINCE 1976.

SO I'VE SEEN ROAN ROAD GO FROM A TWO LANE BAR DITCH ROAD TO FOUR LANE DIVIDED.

SEEN ROWLETT ROAD CHANGE USED TO TAKE ROSEHILL, CUT THROUGH TO GET OVER TO BROADWAY BACK WHEN I FIRST BOUGHT MY HOME. BUT ANYWAY I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF ISSUES HERE.

ONE, IF YOU, YOU LOOK AT THE RESIDENTS ON ROAN ROAD.

MOST OF THOSE HAVE MASONRY WALLS THAT ARE IN BAD NEED OF REPAIR, AND I THINK YOU GUYS OR MAYBE NOT, BUT THE CITY, IT IS DEEPLY INVOLVED IN THE ONES DOWN PAST WATERVIEW BETWEEN WATERVIEW AND THE HIGHWAY.

SO HERE WE GO WITH ANOTHER ANOTHER RESIDENCE OR ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT WITH MASONRY WALLS.

I SUSPECT THE HOA DOWN THE STREET WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE THEN.

AND EVEN WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON HERE, YOU SAID HOA WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE.

THEY STILL SEEMED TO FALL IN DISREPAIR.

THERE WAS A QUESTION RAISED ABOUT SIDEWALKS.

THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS ON THAT SIDE.

ROAN OR ROWLETT ROAD, SIDEWALKS JUST WENT IN ON ROAN ROAD ON MY SIDE OF THE STREET JUST IN THE RECENT CONSTRUCTION THAT WAS DONE TO REPLACE, I THINK, SEWER LINES OR WATER LINES DOWN THE MIDDLE OF ROAN ROAD.

SO THERE ARE NO WALKS ON THAT SIDE FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.

IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THOSE THERE.

I WILL SAY THAT. BUT THERE ARE WALKS NOW ON MY SIDE STREET.

I THINK TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE A HUGE PROBLEM.

GUYS, LADIES, IF YOU LOOK AT TRAFFIC ON ROAN AND ROWLETT ROAD DURING RUSH HOURS, IT'S BACKED UP. COMING OUT OF ROWLETT IS BACKED UP.

COMING DOWN ROAN ROAD FROM I30.

IT'S BACK TO COMING DOWN ROWLETT ROAD FROM FROM BROADWAY AND WITH ONLY TWO INGRESSES INTO THAT DEVELOPMENT. I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE NOTHING BUT TRAFFIC BACKED UP AT THAT

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INTERSECTION WITH PEOPLE TRYING TO GET IN.

ALSO, I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET ACROSS ROAN ROAD WITHOUT A NEW CURB CUT INTO WHAT YOU SHOW ON YOUR SITE PLAN.

SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS GOT TO LOOK AT AND IT'S GOING TO BE A BETTER WAY.

I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT SOME MASONRY, SOME SOME METAL FENCE ALONG ROAN, WE THINK WOULD BE BETTER SERVED TO HAVE IT ALL THE SAME.

AND I THINK LET'S BE REAL CANDID.

THIS TOWNHOUSE ADDITION IS NOTHING MORE THAN APARTMENTS.

FORTY THREE APARTMENTS.

THERE'S NOTHING SINGLE FAMILY ABOUT THEM.

SO I'M OPPOSED TO IT.

MY NEIGHBOR'S OPPOSED TO IT.

I KNOW. SO WE'D LIKE TO SEE IT.

WE'D LIKE TO SEE A SINGLE FAMILY ACROSS THE BOARD, AS MR. BROOKS SAID. AND THAT'S ABOUT MY TWO BITS.

ALRIGHTY.

ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. WESTLING? MR. CHAIRMAN, I DID WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING FROM EARLIER, AND ACTUALLY THE FIRST GENTLEMAN SPOKE ON IT. I KNOW THE PLANNERS AND ALL OF US WERE READING FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT CASES AND LOOKING AT A LOT OF NUMBERS HERE.

BUT THE GENTLEMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RESPONSES AND THE NUMBERS, AND YOU'VE GOT THEM ALL IN YOUR PACKETS. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR FOR THE RECORD, WE DID RECEIVE LOOKS LIKE THREE IN FAVOR, BUT TWENTY FOUR IN OPPOSITION.

SO THOSE ARE YOUR PACKETS.

JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR FOR THE RECORD [INAUDIBLE].

AND THERE'S A COMBINATION OF TWENTY FOUR WITHIN [INAUDIBLE].

THAT'S RIGHT. I'M COMBINING THE TWO.

IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WERE 13 WITHIN 11 OUTSIDE.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHTY, IF THERE ARE NO. TRACEY, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? WE DO, SIR. WE HAVE SEVERAL.

THE FIRST ON WILL BE ANGELA ALCORN.

HELLO.

HELLO. HI, MY NAME IS ANGELA ALCORN, AND I'M HERE ACTUALLY REPRESENTING MY MOTHER, NADENE KENNEDY, WHO LIVES AT 3802 ROAN CIRCLE.

SHE IS EIGHTY SIX AND SHE'S LIVED IN THAT HOME SINCE, I BELIEVE 1979.

I WAS I THINK ABOUT NINE AT THAT TIME.

BUT JUST LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID, MY CONCERN OF MANY, BUT ONE IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE ALWAYS WISHED THAT A PARK WOULD GO UP THERE.

WE HAD HOPED BACK WHEN IT WAS A TWO LANE BLACKTOP ROAD WHERE YOU HAD TO DRIVE IN DOWN THE HILL TO EVEN GET INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

MY CONCERN IS ALSO THE THE WALL, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS DOWN.

I CAN'T THINK OF THE NAME OF THE INTERSECTION THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT GOING TOWARDS I 30. THE WALL IS COLLAPSING.

IT'S JUST IT'S JUST A HUGE EYESORE.

AND THIS PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING OUT IS LITERALLY THE DRIVEWAY IS AT MY MOTHER'S DOOR.

MY MOTHER LIVES ON THE CORNER OF ROAN ROAD AND ROAN CIRCLE.

AND THE TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BUILD UP THERE, IS THERE A LIGHT THAT WOULD GO UP? I MEAN, HOW HOW ARE THEY GOING TO CONTROL THE TRAFFIC THAT ALREADY BACKS UP BEEN COMING THROUGH TO THAT TO GET TO ROAN ROAD JUST BECAUSE, LIKE WE'VE SAID, IT CUT THROUGH.

IT'S A CUT THROUGH WHEN YOU HAVE FORTY THREE UNITS VERSUS DOING SINGLE HOME UNITS, THAT'S NOT GOING TO CREATE SO MUCH TRAFFIC.

IT'S JUST A PROBLEM.

I SEE IF THEY DON'T BUILD UP A RETAINER THAT IS MAINTAINED, IT IS GOING TO BE SUCH A HORRIBLE EYESORE TO LOOK OUT HER DOOR.

AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT SHE'S GOING TO SEE EVERY DAY.

AND THEN MYSELF AS WELL, WHEN WHEN I HAVE HER HOME, AFTER SHE'S AFTER SHE'S GONE, THE HOME VALUE OF HER HOME IS NOT GOING TO STAY AT WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.

IF IF THIS IF THIS COMES ALONG AND THE PROPERTIES NOT, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T HAVE A NICE FAçADE, IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T LOOK WELL.

I THINK THEY CAN DO BETTER ON ON THE WAY THAT IT ACTUALLY IS IN APPEARANCE AS FAR AS AS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE FAçADE OF IT.

AND I HAVE OTHER CONCERNS AS FAR AS THE IRRIGATION AND, YOU KNOW, [INAUDIBLE].

IS GOING TO BE COSMETICALLY NICE LOOKING THROUGH THERE? BUT A BIG PART OF IT IS GOING TO BE THE TRAFFIC.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND MAKE A TURN IN BECAUSE THAT TURN IT INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO BE RIGHT THERE AT MY MOTHER'S DOOR.

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LET ME SEE. LET ME LOOK AT MY NOTES AGAIN HERE.

AND HOW HIGH WILL THAT WALL BE? IS THAT WALL GONNA BE HIGH ENOUGH TO WHERE WE'RE NOT HIGHER THAN THE OTHER ONES THAT WE'RE SEEING DOWN THE ROAD THAT ARE COLLAPSING? JUST JUST ABOUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE IS IS AN ISSUE IS AN ISSUE TO ME AND MY MOTHER AS WELL. WOULD THEY PUT A LIGHT AT THAT ENTRANCE? IS THAT GOING TO YOU KNOW, IF THEY IF THEY TURN AROUND AND PUT THAT AS A TURN IN TO GO IN, ARE THEY GOING TO STOP TRAFFIC AT THAT RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO ROWLETT ROAD AND THERE BE A TURN IN THERE AS WELL? ANOTHER ISSUE I HAVE IS WHAT IS THE COST OF THESE UNITS GOING TO BE? ARE THESE GOING TO TURN INTO SECTION EIGHT? SO WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WE CAN TEND TO HAVE A HIGHER CRIME IN THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE JUST DOWN THE ROAD WHERE WE'VE RECENTLY SEEN MULTIPLE SHOOTINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND I'M NOT SAYING BECAUSE THAT SECTION EIGHT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING I AM GLAD THAT IT'S NOT APARTMENTS BUT I DON'T WANT IT TO TURN INTO TO THE COST OF THE SAME THING.

IT WOULD BE AS IF IT WAS AN APARTMENT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A FAMILY OF SINGLE FAMILY UNITS BEING PUT IN THERE, OR IF THEY ARE GOING TO DO A TOWNHOMES, MAKE THEM NOT MAKE THEM OUTRAGEOUS FOR PEOPLE TO PURCHASE, BUT NOT THE SAME AS SOMEBODY COMING AND RENTING AN APARTMENT.

ARE THESE GOING TO BE PURCHASED OR ARE THEY GOING TO BE RENTED? I THINK THAT MAKES A HUGE, HUGE DIFFERENCE.

I THINK IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THAT.

AND REALLY, I THINK THAT'S THAT'S ALL I HAVE IS THAT IT'S JUST IT'S JUST IT'S JUST A CONCERN. WE HAVE SEEN THAT LOT OPEN FOR ME MY ENTIRE LIFE.

I'M FIFTY YEARS OLD AND WE MOVED IN THERE WHEN I WAS NINE.

AND WE ALWAYS HOPE THAT A PARK WOULD COME IN, TO BE QUITE HONEST.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. I APPRECIATE IT.

YOU'RE WELCOME. I MAY BE ABLE TO HELP YOU ON SOME OF THAT.

THE TOWNHOMES, EXCUSE ME, ARE PLATTED ON INDIVIDUAL LOTS MEANT FOR SALE.

NOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN LIKE EVEN IN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD, SOMEBODY COULD BUY A HOUSE AND THEN RENT IT OUT. SAME CONCEPT COULD HAPPEN HERE IF SOMEBODY COULD BUY MULTIPLE ONES AND RENT IT OUT. SO IT CAN EITHER BE SINGLE FAMILY OR RENTAL LIKE ANY NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S NOT ONE BUILDING THAT ONE PERSON WOULD BE BUYING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THEY ARE INDIVIDUAL UNITS.

IN TERMS OF THE WALLS, SOME OF THEM CRUMBLING.

I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY WHEN IT WAS 80S OR 90S THAT THE CITY MANDATED HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS AND REQUIRED THEM TO MAINTAIN THE WALLS.

THERE ARE A LOT OF SUBDIVISIONS THAT WENT IN WHERE THE HOMEOWNER, EACH INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER WHO'S GOT A PORTION OF WALL BEHIND THEM IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.

AND THAT IS PROVEN NOT TO WORK.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CASE WITH WHERE THOSE WALLS ARE DAMAGED OR NOT.

THE CITY DOES TRY TO SOMETIMES PARTNER WITH FOLKS AND GET THE WALLS REPAIRED.

THIS WOULD BE AN HOA THE CITY CAN GO TO THE HOA AND MANDATE THAT THEY FIX IT.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT WON'T BE AN ISSUE.

BUT 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WHO KNOWS YOU'RE RIGHT.

AND IF I COULD ASK KIMBERLY, IF YOU COULD PUT THE SITE PLAN UP AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT. AND BECAUSE I'M HAVING TROUBLE PULLING MINE UP, OK, IS THERE A MEDIAN ON ROAN ROAD THERE? DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE IS, IS THERE? AND IF THERE IS, IS THERE A DECEL LINE FOR TURNING? EVERYTHING AND I DON'T SEE WHAT THIS PLAN IS SHOWING UP.

EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME, SIR, BUT MY MOTHER WOULD BE DOWN AT 3802 ROAN CIRCLE, WHICH IS AT THE CORNER WHERE THE ENTRANCE WOULD BE DOWN YOUR FURTHEST RIGHT HAND CORNER.

RIGHT. AND THERE IS NO TURN.

I MEAN, THERE'S BRAND NEW MEDIANS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN AND JUST NOT ALL THAT LONG AGO.

AND AND THERE IS NOTHING COMING FROM WHEN YOU'RE COMING TOWARDS ROWLETT ROAD, THERE IS NO LEFT HAND LEFT HAND TURN THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE AT THIS TIME FOR COMING IN TO THAT DRIVE.

OK. AND I JUST LIKE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BACK UP AND IT'S THAT GOING TO CONTINUE? ARE WE GOING TO WANT TO [INAUDIBLE] END UP GETTING A LIGHT THERE AT THAT INTERSECTION SO PEOPLE CAN GET THROUGH AND ACROSS BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC? I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.

ALRIGHTY. OK, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, KIMBERLY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE MS. MS. ALCORN THERE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, TRACEY.

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NEXT PERSON, PLEASE. NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE KIMBERLY SCOTT.

HI, MY NAME IS SCOTT, I LIVE AT 4014 WHITEROCK TRAIL AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL RIGHT BEFORE THE LAKE.

WITH THAT, I THINK I'M TOO FAR AWAY TO HAVE GOTTEN A NOTICE ABOUT THIS.

BUT FORTUNATELY, ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS TOLD ME, UNLIKE EVERYONE ELSE, WE'VE ONLY BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THREE YEARS AND THE ATTRACTION TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS THE QUIETNESS OF IT.

I WORRY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH CRIME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT DOWN HERE.

I'M NOT AFRAID TO BE IN MY HOUSE OR WALK THE STREETS IN THE EVENING AFTER IT GETS DARK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I WORRY JUST AS THE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID, TOWNHOMES DO TYPICALLY WIND UP BEING RENTERS.

AND I WORRY ABOUT YOUNG FAMILIES THAT MIGHT HAVE TEENAGERS THAT LIKE TO STIR UP TROUBLE.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF THOSE MYSELF THAT I KEEP UNDER CONTROL.

BUT YEAH, I WORRY ABOUT ALL THE SAME THINGS.

THE TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY THAT CORNER AT THE RED LIGHT.

WE DO SEE WRECKS THERE.

I WORRY WITH THE PROPERTY LINE GOING ALL THE WAY TO THAT CORNER, THERE MIGHT NOT BE ENOUGH SIGHT THERE. AND ESPECIALLY I SAW THE TWO EGRESSES ALSO THE TWO ENTRANCES.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.

WE DO GET BACK UP SINCE I, I LIVE OFF WHITE ROCK TRAIL.

I'M KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT BACK.

THAT ROAN LINE TRAFFIC IS BACKED UP EVERY SINGLE DAY DOWN PAST WHERE MS. ALCORN'S MOM LIVES TO GET TO THAT RED LIGHT WITH PEOPLE GOING BACK AND FORTH.

AS THE NEW KID ON THE BLOCK, SO TO SPEAK, ONLY THREE YEARS IN.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE MOVED HERE BECAUSE IT'S QUIET AND WE WOULD CERTAINLY WOULDN'T MIND SINGLE FAMILIES.

WE JUST WORRY ABOUT THE MULTIFAMILY CONCEPT.

ALRIGHTY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? THE NEXT SPEAKER TRACEY, THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE STACY MAINE.

STACY MAINE, YOU GO AHEAD AND UNMUTE.

YOU'RE UP NEXT. YES, HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR ME OK? SURE CAN, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

YES. STACEY MAINE, THREE.

I'M SORRY, I JUST FORGOT MY ADDRESS, 3802 [INAUDIBLE] BOULEVARD, I LIVE ON THE CORNER WITHIN FOUR HUNDRED FEET OF THE SITE.

OK, WHAT MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS I'M SORRY, I'M GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK.

BUT LIKE MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS, I'VE BEEN A LIFELONG RESIDENT IN GARLAND, BORN AND RAISED HERE AND ALSO A LONG TIME PROPERTY OWNER, AND MY FIRST AND FOREMOST CONCERN IS A NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY CONCERN.

OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALREADY A VERY HIGH VOLUME, HAS A HIGH VOLUME OF TRAFFIC COMING FROM ALL SIDES, AND MOST ESPECIALLY SINCE THE TIME ROAN ROAD WAS EXPANDED TO BE A FOUR LANE ACCESS ROAD TO AND FROM I30.

AND THERE'S ALREADY A NOTICEABLE INCREASE IN THE GROWING TRAFFIC VOLUME AS MORE PEOPLE MOVE TO THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES, WHICH ARE UTILIZED ROAN ROAD FOR THEIR DAILY ACCESS I30. AND EVEN THOUGH THE SPEED LIMIT SIGN SAYS 40 MILES PER HOUR, MOST DRIVERS AGGRESSIVELY COMPETE TO BUT IN FRONT OF EVERYONE ELSE WHO'S ALREADY WAITING IN LONG TRAFFIC LINES AS THEY MAKE THEIR APPROACH FROM I30 TO TURN ON TO ROWLETT ROAD HEADING INTO ROWLETT, AS WELL AS COMING IN OFF OF ROWLETT ROAD TO TURN ONTO ROAN ROAD TO ACCESS I30. ALSO, WE FREQUENTLY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND ME BEING ON THE CORNER, YOU CAN HEAR THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE SIRENS OFTEN, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A GREAT DEAL OF TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS AT ROAN ROAD AND ROWLETT ROAN.

YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHECK INTO THAT.

THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO MENTION.

ALSO ANOTHER POINT I WANTED TO MAKE.

OBVIOUSLY, TOWNHOUSES DON'T HOLD THEIR VALUE AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE OBVIOUS VALUE AS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN LOOKING AT THE RENDERINGS THIS EVENING.

THESE ARE DEFINITELY A LOWER BUDGET PLAN.

SO ANOTHER MAJOR FACTOR THAT CONCERNED ME, CONCERNS ME IS THE APPROVAL OF THIS TYPE OF REZONING REQUEST NOT ONLY WILL RESULT IN THE INEVITABLE DEVALUATION OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD

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PROPERTY VALUES, BUT IT ALSO OPENS THE DOOR FOR POTENTIAL DEVASTATION OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOME VALUES.

A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE BEING IF AFTER REZONING THE CURRENT TOWNHOUSE PROJECT FALLS THROUGH OR CHANGES, THE SITE'S ALREADY ZONED AND READY FOR APARTMENT BUILDING, WHICH IS ALREADY OVERABUNDANT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

ALSO, JUST TO EXPAND UPON MY NEIGHBORS THAT MENTION THAT BRICK WALL ISSUE THAT'S AROUND, I BELIEVE, THE WATERHOUSE BOULEVARD NEIGHBORHOOD OR WATERHOUSE BOULEVARD.

IT TOOK ALMOST TWO YEARS FOR ANY BRICK REPAIR TO EVEN GET STARTED SO THAT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, THAT'S A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION, IF YOU WANT TO CHECK IT.

BUT IN SUMMARY, VOTING IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA FOR TOWNHOUSES OR APARTMENTS WOULD BE OVER DEVELOPMENT AS THIS TYPE OF HIGH DENSITY COMPACT HOUSING IS NOT CONFORMING TO THE AREA.

IT WILL OBVIOUSLY LOWER THE DESIRABILITY OF OUR LAKESIDE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST IN LIEU OF OVER DEVELOPMENT.

CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE CONSIDERATION TO MUCH NEEDED IMPROVEMENTS FOR THIS AREA AND WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND LISTENING TO ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

ONE THING I WILL POINT OUT, SHOULD THIS BE APPROVED AND MOVE ON TO COUNCIL AND BE APPROVED THERE, IT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR APARTMENTS.

IT WOULD ONLY BE A TOWNHOME ZONING.

AND IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME BACK AND DO APARTMENTS OR EVEN CHANGE IT TO SINGLE FAMILY AGAIN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS.

SO IT DOES LOCK THEM INTO THIS.

ALRIGHTY IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE TRACEY? YES SIR, WE HAVE TWO MORE SPEAKERS, THE NEXT SPEAKER IS ERIC [INAUDIBLE].

ALRIGHTY. [INAUDIBLE] MY NAME IS ERIC [INAUDIBLE].

I LIVE AT 3920 CEDAR CREEK DRIVE, AND I REALIZE I'M OUTSIDE OF THE FOUR HUNDRED FEET FROM THE PROPOSED FACILITY FROM.

OUTSIDE OF THE FOUR HUNDRED FEET, HOWEVER, I THINK THIS IS DEFINITELY IMPACT THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE ARE.

CEDAR CREEK IS THREE TENTHS OF A MILE FROM THE CORNER OF ROAN ROAD AND ROWLETT ROAD.

AND VERY OFTEN I HAVE TO WAIT IN BACKUP FOR PEOPLE COMING [INAUDIBLE] ROWLETT ROAD TO GO BACK ACROSS THE LAKE THERE.

[INAUDIBLE] I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY THAT BROUGHT THAT UP IS A [INAUDIBLE] PROBLEM THAT IS LEFT [INAUDIBLE].

IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO WIDEN IT.

AND IF THEY WIDEN IT, IT'S GOING TO TAKE OUT SOME OF THE SPACE THAT IS ACCOMMODATED FOR THE FOR THE [INAUDIBLE].

THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP AS EVERYONE ELSE HAS IS.

THE MAINTENANCE OF THE FACILITY, A LOT OF THE HOMES THAT WERE BUILT, WE MOVED HERE IN 2000, SO THERE WAS A SUBDIVISION THAT WAS BUILT DIRECTLY BEHIND US HERE, THE HOMES THAT ARE EXPENSIVE HOMES.

BUT THEY WERE VERY CHEAPLY BUILT.

AND THERE'S A VERY BIG PROBLEM WITH THOSE HOMES OVER THERE, RAPIDLY DETERIORATING IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, [INAUDIBLE] AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND LOOKING AT THE WAY THAT THIS PLACE IS LOOKING LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED.

I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

AND AS EVERYONE HAS STATED, SOME PEOPLE HAVE STATED THAT IT MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO DECREASE THE MARKET IS GOING TO DECREASE THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY.

AND I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

[INAUDIBLE], I AGREE WITH EVERYONE'S THOUGHTS AND INSIGHT ON THIS, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND EFFORT AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK ON THIS.

WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING, COMING DOWN, SO TO SPEAK.

WE DO APPRECIATE IT. THE SYSTEM IN THE PROCESS WORKS BETTER WITH CITIZEN INPUT.

THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? YES, SIR, OUR LAST SPEAKER IS JOSE CASTILLO.

ALRIGHTY. SO GO AHEAD, SIR, UNMUTE YOURSELF AND NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

GIVE HIM A FEW SECONDS HERE.

STEPPED AWAY FROM THE DESK FOR A SECOND, PROBABLY.

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HE'S OUR LAST SPEAKER, SIR.

I KNOW, YEAH.

MR. CASTILLO. HELLO.

TELL YOU WHAT, WHY DON'T I BRING THE APPLICANT BACK FOR A SECOND AND GIVE MR. CASTILLO SOME MORE TIME.

HE CAN CHIME IN.

SO I BELIEVE THE I SEE THE APPLICANT UP HERE.

YEAH, MR. [INAUDIBLE] JUST MOVED ON ME.

THANK YOU. GO AHEAD.

SAW YOU WANT TO CHIME IN AFTER THE FIRST SPEAKER? YOU'VE HEARD A FEW OF THEM.

YES. SO I WANT TO THANK ALL THE SPEAKERS FOR FOR MAKING THE POINTS THAT THEY MAKE AND THEY'RE ALL VALID POINTS.

I DO FEEL THAT THAT WE ARE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS NATURE. THIS IS AND I HEARD I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS AS MANY POINTS AND AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. BUT I HEARD A LOT OF THE SPEAKERS SAY THEY WOULD LIKE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES ON THIS SITE. I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT.

BY JUST SAYING IT'S IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO PUT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES ON THIS SITE.

IT'S AN ECONOMIC IF WE COULD PUT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, THAT WOULD BE OUR CHOICE.

IT'S A VERY SMALL SITE.

IT'S ONLY FOUR ACRES AND THE PRICE OF THE LAND IS EXTREMELY HIGH.

SO IT'S ECONOMICALLY SINGLE FAMILY WOULDN'T WORK.

THE ONLY OTHER OPTION THAT WOULD WORK OTHER THAN TOWNHOMES IS HIGHER DENSITIES, WHICH WOULD BE OF A COMMERCIAL NATURE.

SO THE TOWNHOMES THAT WE'RE PLANNING DO GIVE THE NEIGHBORS THE LEAST AMOUNT OF DENSITY POSSIBLE, GIVEN THE SITE, THE SIZE AND ITS LOCATION.

WITH REGARDS TO THE WALL, YOU KNOW, WE WE DID THE OPEN FENCE FOR A REASON TO BE ABLE FOR THE NEIGHBORS AND THE TRAFFIC TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE PARK THAT WE'RE [INAUDIBLE].

IT GIVES A VIEW OF AN OPEN SPACE.

IT PROVIDES MORE THAN JUST DRIVING BY AND LOOKING AT A SOLID CONCRETE WALL.

THAT WAS THAT WAS PART OF OUR THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND HAVING SOME OPEN FENCE.

AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO PUT SOME LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF IT TO MAKE IT NICER LOOKING AND PRETTIER. BUT BUT THAT THAT WAS OUR SORT OF GOAL, WAS TO ALLOW THE PASSING TRAFFIC TO HAVE SOME SORT OF A PARK TYPE OF VIEW.

WE ARE PUTTING TWO TURN LANES AND TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM.

I HEARD MANY OF THE OF THE RESIDENTS SAY THAT IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO TURN INTO THE SUBDIVISION FOR A SUBDIVISION OF THIS SIZE.

SO WE ORIGINALLY HAD FIFTY FOUR LOTS DESIGNED FOR THIS SUBDIVISION.

AND WORKING WITH KIMBERLY THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THE TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT, WE LOWERED THE OVERALL LOT TOTAL FROM FIFTY FOUR DOWN TO FORTY THREE TO MAKE ROOM FOR THE PARK, TO MAKE ROOM FOR TURNING LANES TO ALLOW SOME DRAINAGE EASEMENTS THAT THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WANTED.

THAT'S WHY SOME OF OUR LOTS ARE SMALLER.

THERE'S ACTUALLY MORE SPACE BEHIND THE LOTS, BUT IT'S BEEN DEDICATED AS OPEN SPACE FOR DRAINAGE. SO WE'VE WE'VE REALLY SHRUNK THIS DEVELOPMENT DOWN FROM WHAT OUR ORIGINAL PLAN WAS. SO I WANT THE NEIGHBORS TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO TRY AND MAKE THIS FIT INTO THE COMMUNITY AS IT STANDS.

AND I DO FEEL THAT WE ARE STILL THE BEST OPTION BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BE LOWER DENSITY.

THESE ARE NOT APARTMENTS.

WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF MAKING THEM RENTAL UNITS.

THIS IS A FOR SALE.

WE ARE THE THE DEVELOPER WHO WOULD DO AS THE LAND AND WE ALSO WOULD BUILD THE UNITS.

SO WE'RE NOT SELLING THEM TO ANOTHER BUILDER.

WE WOULD WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR BEGINNING TO END.

AND THIS IS A FOR SALE PROJECT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET ALL THE POINTS THAT I HAD.

YEAH, YES, THOSE ARE ALL MY POINTS, AND AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ADDRESSED A LOT OF THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY AND I DO I REALLY THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR COMING OUT.

WE WANT THIS TO BE A PROJECT THAT THEY WILL BE PROUD TO HAVE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE WE ARE NOT DOING SECTION EIGHT.

WE ARE NOT DOING ANY OF THE NEGATIVE THINGS THAT THAT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE AFRAID OF. WE'VE TRIED TO REALLY MAKE THIS A POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT.

SO I THANK THE COMMISSION AND THE NEIGHBORS FOR ALL THE HARD WORK.

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AGAIN? TRACEY DID OUR LAST PUBLIC SPEAKER GO AWAY, I DON'T SEE HIM HERE.

HE IS, HE IS NOT AVAILABLE.

OK, AND WE HAVE NOBODY ELSE.

THAT IS CORRECT.

OK, AND KIMBERLY, IF I CAN IMPOSE ON YOU AGAIN, PLEASE.

HE TALKED ABOUT TWO TURN LANES.

I'M ASSUMING THESE ARE TURN LANES INTO THE PROJECT ONE OFF OF ROWLETT ROAD, ONE OFF OF ROAN ROAD, THERE IS A MEDIAN THERE.

WOULD IT BE REQUIRED TO PUT A LEFT HAND TURN LANE COMING NORTH ON ROAN ROAD TO TURN INTO HIS DEVELOPMENT, CUT INTO THE MEDIAN? I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS CORRECT.

BUT I WILL HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.

BECAUSE THEY'RE RIGHTFULLY CONCERNED, THAT IS THE MAJOR ROAD, IF SOMEBODY'S STOPPING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LANE TO WAIT TO TURN LEFT, RIGHT THERE AT THE CORNER OF ROAN AND ROAN CIRCLE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN, I CAN SEE THERE'S A TURN LANE COMING SOUTH TO GO IN THE ROAN CIRCLE, BUT WE NEED TO TURN LANE COMING NORTH.

I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE SITE PLAN.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING TRAFFIC DEFINITELY NEEDS TO REQUIRE IF THIS PASSES.

ALL RIGHT. OK, COMMISSIONERS, I THINK WE'RE INTO MOTION OR DISCUSSION TIME, AND I SEE COMMISSIONER ROSE RAISING HIS HAND THERE.

I HAVE A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE GET THERE.

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN PUT IN TO THE SALES CONTRACT THAT THESE UNITS MUST BE OWNER OCCUPIED? COMMISSIONER ROSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LOVE TO DO, BUT I WAS I WAS IN BUSINESS IN 2008, 9 AND 10.

AND IF I IF I PUT THAT INTO ANY OF OUR CONTRACTS, I FEEL THAT IF IF WE HAD A DEBACLE OF THAT MAGNITUDE, WE WOULD GO BANKRUPT.

AND AND THAT IS JUST A VERY I UNDERSTAND THE REASONING BEHIND IT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE VERY, VERY, VERY EXCESSIVELY FINANCIALLY.

HOW DO I SAY IT? IT JUST WOULD WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON US FINANCIALLY IN THAT SORT OF A CLIMATE IN THE MARKET.

AND THAT THAT THAT REALLY MAKES ME SCARED.

OK, SO THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN GUARANTEE TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THESE WON'T BE RENTED OUT. THERE'S NO WAY I CAN GUARANTEE.

THAT'S RIGHT. I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.

YES. WHERE THERE ARE SEVERAL SEVERAL HOUSES WHERE THERE'S FIVE OR SIX CARS PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY ON THE STREET, THEY'RE FOUR BEDROOM HOUSE FOUR PADS, THEY'RE RENTED, THEY'RE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES BUT THE RENTED.

SO I THINK THAT'S YOU'VE GOT [INAUDIBLE].

WITH IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WITH A HOA IT WAS WRITTEN INTO THE HOA THE MAXIMUM 10 PERCENT, BUT THAT'S BEYOND OUR CONTROL.

SO.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT, WE'RE BACK TO DISCUSS [INAUDIBLE].

I THINK THAT I THINK THAT COMMISSIONER LUCHT AND ALSO COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE] HAVE QUESTIONS. OH.

THANK YOU. THEN COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU, MR. [INAUDIBLE], IS THAT HOW YOU SAY IT? YES [INAUDIBLE] OK, I'M SORRY I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER THAT. SO IN THE NOTES IT SAYS THAT THE THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS FOR GARAGE DOORS.

I WAS WONDERING HOW THAT'S DETERMINED.

THAT SAYS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TWO OF THE FOLLOWING ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS SHALL BE PROVIDED FOR EACH GARAGE.

AND HOW WHAT HOW ARE THOSE ELEMENTS CHOSEN? ARE YOU BUILDING TO OWNER SPECIFICATIONS? OR WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE HOME DETERMINING THE GARAGE DOOR? WE HAVE IN OUR PLAN CHOSEN A DOUBLE GARAGE DOOR, WE WOULDN'T BE BUILDING TO OWNER

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SPECIFICATIONS. WE DO INTEND TO TRY AND PRE SELL AS MANY UNITS, OF COURSE, AS POSSIBLE.

BUT WE HAVE CHOSEN A DOUBLE GARAGE DOOR PER UNIT.

OK, WELL, I GUESS I'M JUST.

OPTION TO HAVE A SINGLE OR DOUBLE DOOR.

OK. IT SAYS UPGRADED CARRIAGE STYLE GARAGE DOORS OR FAUX WOOD GARAGE DOORS WOULD BE IN PLACE. OK, SO THAT'S JUST THAT.

I WOULD TAKE THAT AS AN ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL AND WE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO CHANGE THOSE FROM UNIT TO UNIT TO MAKE THEM FEEL LIKE THEY'RE INDEPENDENT, MORE SINGLE FAMILY LOOKING AS OPPOSED TO ALL BE EXACTLY THE SAME ACROSS THE WHOLE BUILDING.

SO WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE DIFFERENT COLORS AND DIFFERENT STYLES OF THE DOORS TO GIVE THEM INDEPENDENCE. OK.

AND ARE YOU SET ON THE COLORS THAT ARE PRESENTED ON THE UNITS? NO, I ACTUALLY DON'T LIKE THE COLORS THAT ARE PRESENTED, WE CAN DO A MUCH BETTER JOB ON THOSE. WE OUR ARCHITECTURAL FIRM.

PUT THIS TOGETHER AND TO BE HONEST, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO TO REALLY SIT DOWN AND WORK WITH THEM AS MUCH AS WE WOULD LIKE TO.

AND SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT THE PICTURE WHILE I'M TALKING TO YOU ON THE COLORS, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO DO SOME DIFFERENT BRICK, DIFFERENT COLORS AND AND DIFFERENT PAINT COLORS [INAUDIBLE] AS WELL, SO WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB ON THE COLORS.

WE WOULD CERTAINLY HIRE A DESIGNER TO HELP US THROUGH THE PROCESS, WHICH ON THIS WE IT WAS JUST OUR ARCHITECTS THAT HANDLED THAT.

OK, THANK YOU.

YEAH, I WILL HAVE TO EXPLAIN, ESPECIALLY TO NEW COMMISSIONERS WHO MAY NOT KNOW THE STATE IN 2019 TOOK AWAY OUR ABILITY TO SELECT MATERIALS AND COLORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ON DETAILED PLANS AND STUFF IN THEIR INFINITE WISDOM.

THEY TOOK SOME VALUABLE TOOLS AWAY FROM US.

WE HAVE TO STRICTLY TO THE ZONING OF THIS.

SO I WANT TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION.

BELIEVE ME, YES SIR.

YES. BUT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE [INAUDIBLE] LAW, BUT WE AS AS THE BUILDER, WE WANT TO DO A BETTER JOB AND DO [INAUDIBLE].

AND WE WANT TO MAKE A SELLABLE PRODUCT THAT LOOKS GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT PEOPLE ARE PROUD TO LIVE IN AND TO MAINTAIN PROPERTY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE] YOU CHIMED IN.

GO AHEAD. YES, I HAD A QUESTION MORE BACK TO TRAFFIC.

SO THIS MAY BE MORE FOR I BELIEVE THE LAST NAME IS LUEDTKE.

AND AND BACK TO THE QUESTION.

I DID CONNECT WITH A MEMBER OF STAFF JUST EARLIER JUST TO UNDERSTAND BETTER AROUND THE TIA. SO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND I KNOW IT DIDN'T MEET THE THRESHOLDS, BUT WAS THAT ONLY FOR ROAN AND ROWLETT? WHAT ABOUT THOSE OTHER INTERSECTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP FROM SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS HERE DURING THE CITIZENS COMMENTS? WAS THAT WHAT IS THE THRESHOLD? AND THEN WAS THAT THRESHOLD REVIEWED FOR THOSE OTHER INTERSECTIONS, NOT JUST ROAN AND ROWLETT, BUT THOSE OTHERS BETWEEN ROAN, ROWLETT AND THEN TO 30? SO WAS THAT IMPACT ANALYSIS ONLY DONE WITHIN THAT ONE INTERSECTION THAT DIDN'T MEET THE THRESHOLD AND WHAT IS THAT THRESHOLD? SO I GUESS IT'S A THREE PART QUESTION JUST TO GIVE ME A BETTER SENSE OF COMFORT LEVEL JUST AROUND THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS THAT WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT.

RIGHT, THE WAY THAT THE WAY OUR CRITERIA WORK IS IT'S NOT BASED ON ANY ONE INTERSECTION, IT'S BASED ON THE SITE.

SO THE WHOLE SITE HAS TO IF IT HAS MORE THAN TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED TRIPS GENERATED, THEN IT REQUIRES A TIA.

WE CAN REQUIRE A TIA IF IT HAS LESS THAN THAT, IF WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME KIND OF A TRAFFIC ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT.

WITH THIS BEING SO FAR BELOW THAT THRESHOLD, AND WE DIDN'T SEE ANY KIND OF TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT THIS WOULD CAUSE, THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T REQUIRE A TIA.

OK, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

A FOLLOW UP TO HER QUESTION.

YOU PROBABLY REFERENCED THE TRAFFIC COUNTS ALONG ROAN AND ROWLETT ROAD AT PEAK HOURS.

ARE THEY GETTING ANYWHERE CLOSE TO MAXING OUT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?

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NOT, NOT ON THAT ROADWAY ITSELF.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, THE MOST CONGESTION YOU HAVE IS THAT INTERSECTIONS AND TYPICALLY SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS, THAT ROAN AND ROWLETT IS ONE OF THE INTERSECTIONS THAT'S ONE OF OUR HEAVIER INTERSECTIONS.

BUT IT'S NOT OVER CAPACITY, AT LEAST NOT THE LAST TIME THAT WE LOOKED AT.

SO IT'S IT'S NOT ONE THAT WE THAT'S OVER CAPACITY.

BUT WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AGAIN AT SOME POINT.

BUT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL GENERATE IS GOING TO HAVE A PRETTY NEGLIGIBLE IMPACT ON THE.

THE TRAFFIC ON THE ON THE ROADWAY, THERE'S ABOUT FIFTEEN THOUSAND CARS A DAY ON ROAN ROAD RIGHT NOW, SO IT'S FOUR HUNDRED AND THIRTY CARS A DAY WOULD WOULD BE ABOUT A LITTLE LESS . THREE, FOUR, THREE, FOUR PERCENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALRIGHTY, CONTINUED DISCUSSION OR A MOTION.

DON'T ALL JUMP IN AT ONCE.

COMMISSIONER ROSE.

YEAH I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS.

THIS IS JUST TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING [INAUDIBLE].

ALRIGHTY THAT PASSED UNANIMOUSLY, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHTY, DISCUSSION.

OR A MOTION. WE'VE GOT A LOT TO [INAUDIBLE].

LET'S SEE, I SEE COMMISSION JENKINS, THEN COMMISSION ROSE.

DID I HEAR ANYBODY ELSE? OK, COMMISSIONER JENKINS.

CHAIRMAN, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS THAT YOU INITIALLY PROPOSED THAT THE APPLICANT DO, DID THE APPLICANT ADDRESS EACH OF THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU MENTIONED? WELL, HE SAID WHEN HE ORIGINALLY CAME ON TO BE WILLING TO WORK WITH STAFF ON STUFF THAT WE MENTIONED, BUT NOT IN PARTICULAR.

AND I TALKED ABOUT THE TWENTY FIVE FOOT WIDTH, AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE CAN ADD THE CONDITION AT ALL GARAGE DOORS ARE CARRIAGE STYLE, THAT IS, I THINK THAT WAS MESSED UP BY THE STATE LAW, WOULD HAVE TO BE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR REQUIRE THAT.

BUT THE APPLICANT, I THINK, INDICATED THAT HE'D BE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY REGARDING SOME OF THOSE CONDITIONS.

RIGHT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CONTEMPLATED ON THIS OR NOT, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MENTIONED, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

COMMISSIONER ROSE.

I'M JUST CURIOUS, IS THAT THE TIME FRAME THEY'RE GOING TO.

OBVIOUSLY, GETTING IN FRONT OF COUNCIL SOME POINT IN TIME, THEY LOOKING AT STARTING THIS NEXT SPRING, NEXT SUMMER, TWO YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN? LET ME ASK BACK ON TO ANSWER THAT.

YOU KEEP MOVING AROUND.

OK, GOOD. YES, OUR INTENTION IS TO BE AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE.

WE WOULD START DEVELOPMENT AS SOON AS WE COULD, AS SOON AS WE COULD GET OUR APPROVALS FROM THE CITY AND START.

IT WOULD BE OUR INTENTION TO TO MOVE ON THIS AS SOON AS WE COULD.

ALRIGHTY. COMMISSIONER OTT.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. IN GENERAL, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT, BUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAD SUGGESTED THAT I'D LIKE TO REITERATE THAT THAT SECTION OF LAND BEHIND UNITS 20 THROUGH 23, SOMETHING THAT REALLY NEEDS THAT [INAUDIBLE] THAT WE LET THIS, LET THE COUNCIL KNOW THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE THAT COULD BE AN AREA THAT COULD BE USED MORE FOR THE LOOPING AMENITY OR AND ALSO NOTCHING THE CORNER TO GIVE THEM A BETTER SIDELINE. THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE WITH THAT, MORE SO THAN JUST HAVING A SUPER LONG AREA THAT THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE TO MOW.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I JUST WANT TO PUT AN EMPHASIS ON.

BUT BEYOND THAT, I KNOW THAT SOME OF OUR POWERS ARE LIMITED OTHER THAN TO FOR THIS BE A GO OR NO GO. WE CAN'T GET INTO A LOT OF THE DETAILS OF IT, BUT IT HAS TO BE DEVELOPED FOR SOMETHING. AND THIS ISN'T THIS LOOKS THIS THIS LOOKS PRETTY FAVORABLE IN MY EYES.

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YEAH. WE'RE HERE TO CONSIDER THE USE AND THE DETAILS WHICH THEY PROPOSE TO USE OF THE SHORTER LOTS, THE SMALLER STUFF AND LIKE THAT.

SO. AND COMMISSIONER ROSE, AGAIN.

OK, TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE COMMISSIONER OTT, WHY CAN'T WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL THAT THEY CUT OFF THAT CORNER AND MAKE THOSE LOTS A LITTLE SHORTER? SO THAT CAN BE A RIGHT TURN LANE IN THERE? I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S THAT HAS TO DO WITH USE.

WE COULD PROBABLY, AND I'M CERTAIN I'LL GET IT FIXED IF I GET THIS WRONG, WE COULD PROBABLY ADD A CONDITION TO THE PD THAT THE.

OH, THIS IS THIS IS GETTING DIFFICULT AND WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ATTORNEYS SITTING HERE CAN THEY ANSWER THAT? YES LET ME ASK OUR ATTORNEYS [INAUDIBLE].

GO AHEAD, SIR.

I'M JUST GIVE ADVICE. AND Y'ALL TAKE MY ADVICE, WHAT YOU LIKE.

SO, YES, THAT WOULD NOT BE A IT WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE TO PASS WITH A CONDITION FOR THAT. WHAT YOU COULD DO IS SEND A NOTE TO COUNCIL WITH YOUR REPORT TO THE COUNCIL SAYING THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THIS IS A PROBLEM, THAT SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL MAY WANT TO LOOK AT IN WHETHER OR NOT THEY APPROVE THE ZONING IN THIS CASE.

GDC. AND SO FOR THOSE THINGS, Y'ALL CONSIDER A NOTE TO COUNCIL ALONG IN THE REPORT.

THEY SHOULDN'T BE A CONDITION OF PASSING, OF PASSING THIS OR RECOMMENDING AN APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM. YEAH, SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I SAID.

AND I TRIED TO SET IT UP AS A CONDITION AND IT JUST WASN'T WORKING.

AND I'M GOING I'M GOING TO GET TEXT ON THIS ONE.

SO JUST FOR INSTANCE.

THOSE LOTS SHORTER WOULD BE A NO TO COUNCIL, THE TWENTY FIVE FOOT WIDTH THAT CAN BE A CONDITION OF THE PD BECAUSE IT IS A ZONING ITEM IF WE WANTED.

ALL THE DOORS TO BE CARRIAGE STYLE.

I DON'T THINK WE COULD EVEN DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S A STATE THING, BUT WE CAN LET COUNCIL KNOW AND MAYBE IT GOES INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

I DON'T KNOW. AND BUT WE COULD TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE IN TERMS OF SIZE LOTS, NUMBER OF UNITS. AND THE TRAFFIC ACCESS.

I THINK WE'VE PRETTY WELL BUTCHERED THIS ONE.

DO I? NO I HAVE A QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER ROSE. YES.

IF WE GO IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY ATTORNEY, CAN WE AS A COMMISSION ASK OUR CHAIRMAN TO SIT DOWN AND WORK UP A LIST OF SUGGESTIONS TO THE COUNCIL AS DEFINED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY? I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR ME TO WORK SEPARATELY WITH STAFF.

I THINK STAFF, STAFF LISTENS.

THEY'LL GO BACK TO THE TAPE.

THEY'LL HEAR ALL THIS AND NOW INCORPORATE IN THEIR REPORT.

MR. GUERIN IS VERY GOOD ABOUT SAYING THE COMMISSION WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, THIS AND THIS DURING THE PROCESS.

THE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL, BUT THEY DO HAVE THESE CONCERNS.

BUT TO ME, TO KIND OF WORK WITH THEM OUTSIDE, I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT'S APPROPRIATE, SINCE NONE OF THE ATTORNEYS HAVE CHIMED IN, ASSUMING I'M CORRECT.

YOU ARE CORRECT, MR. CHAIRMAN. YOU'RE CORRECT.

THANK YOU. SO WHAT COULD GO IN THERE COMMERCIAL WISE, WHAT WOULD FIT IN THAT SPACE IF THIS WAS NOT APPROVED? WELL, THIS IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL, WHICH IS A HOLDING, IN ESSENCE, A HOLDING ZONING.

YOU CAN BUILD ONE BIG SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE ON IT AND USE IT FOR AG THAT'S ABOUT IT, WHICH LEAVES IT OPEN TO ANY OTHER ZONING.

PEOPLE CAN ASK FOR IT IF WE WANT RETAIL.

HE COULD PROBABLY GET A STRIP CENTER IN THERE.

COMMERCIAL. YOU COULD PROBABLY GET AN OFFICE BUILDING IN THERE.

ANYBODY CAN COME AND ASK FOR ANYTHING.

AND MR. GUERIN, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M STATING THAT CORRECTLY OR NOT.

YES, SIR. SO THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED AG SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT YOU CAN DO WITH AG, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS TWO ACRES.

SO THEY COULD THEY COULD DO A COUPLE OF LARGE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AND THERE'S SOME

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AGRICULTURAL RELATED ALLOWANCES FOR IT.

BUT BEYOND THAT, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT.

SO AS MR. CHAIRMAN SAID, IT TYPICALLY IS KIND OF AN INTERIM HOLDING ZONING TIMES UNTIL UNTIL SOMETHING ELSE COMES ALONG.

SO THIS ZONING REQUEST IS SPECIFICALLY FOR TOWNHOME ZONING.

SFA, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED IS REALLY INTENDED FOR TOWNHOMES.

IN ADDITION TO THAT BEING A PD AND DETAILED PLAN, IT WOULD BE LOCKED IN TO BOTH THE USE AND THE LAYOUT. SO HOW FAR AWAY IS THE NEAREST GAS STATION? I HAVEN'T A CLUE, COMMISSION DALTON, I THINK, WANTS TO CHIME IN AFTER YOU'RE THROUGH THERE.

HAVEN'T A CLUE AND [INAUDIBLE].

ACTUALLY, IN RESPONSE TO THAT AS WELL.

OK.

I DO TOO. THE NEAREST GAS STATION IS APPROXIMATELY A HALF A MILE AWAY, AND SINCE I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE CITY, GOING BACK TO THE DAYS I WAS ON THE UTILITY ADVISORY BOARD, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I HAVE SEEN AN APPLICATION MADE ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

THE FIRST ONE WAS COMMERCIAL FOR A GAS STATION.

AND IT WAS TURNED DOWN.

THIS IS ONLY THE SECOND APPLICATION, I HAVE SEEN THE CHANGE OF ZONING OF THIS PROPERTY.

NOW SOMETHING STUCK BETWEEN, BUT I DON'T RECALL SEEING ANYTHING ELSE, HERE.

THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY HAS BEEN VERY QUIET FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR QUESTION.

I SAW YOUR LEADING YOU'RE GOING BY THE WHAT CAN GO WRONG PHILOSOPHY.

WHAT COULD GO IN THERE FOR BETTER OR WORSE? YES. ALRIGHTY, UNLESS THERE'S ANY MORE DISCUSSION, I'LL ENTERTAIN THE MOTION.

COMMISSIONER JENKINS, YOU'RE NOT BEHIND THE CAMERA.

SO I SAW YOU.

THANK YOU CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PLANNED THE ZONING REQUEST EXCUSE ME, AND THE PLAN PD AS PRESENTED BY STAFF.

COMMISSIONER OTT.

WOULD THAT ALSO INCLUDE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAVE THE TWENTY FIVE FOOT LOT SIZE WIDTHS. YES.

ALL RIGHT, AND WE HAVE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE ADDITIONAL PD CONDITION OF A TWENTY FIVE FOOT MINIMUM LOT WIDTHS, DO I HEAR SECOND? COMMISSIONER OTT.

YOUR HAND WAS A LITTLE OFF FRAME THERE, BUT I GOT IT.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? MOTION IS TO APPROVE AND MR. GUERIN, AND I THINK YOU CAN PROBABLY DISTILL OUR NOTES OTHERWISE.

WHO'S SECONDED IT? COMMISSIONER OTT.

MOTION BY COMMISSION JENKINS AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OTT TO APPROVE WITH THE TWENTY FIVE FOOT LOT WITH ADDED PD CONDITION.

ALRIGHTY, ALL IN FAVOR.

OK ALL OPPOSED.

OK, I GUESS THAT PASSED UNANIMOUSLY UNLESS I MISSED SOMETHING.

OK, THANK YOU.

IT WAS A TOUGH ONE, BUT WE MADE IT THROUGH THE DISCUSSION, FOLKS.

NEXT ITEM. AND THAT WAS FOR THE DETAILS.

OK, LET ME BACK UP.

SIR, WAS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ZONING AND DETAILED PLAN? YES. YES. DOES A SECOND CONCUR? YES SIR.

JUST TO MAKE IT OFFICIAL, PLEASE VOTE AGAIN FOR THE ZONING AND A DETAILED PLAN.

I DON'T WANT TO GET CAUGHT IN ANYTHING HERE.

AND THAT IS UNANIMOUS THANK YOU.

GIVE ME A FEW MORE YEARS AND I'LL GET CAUGHT.

CAUGHT UP WITH THESE TWO PARTERS HERE.

WE HAVE ANOTHER TWO PARTER COMING UP IS ITEM TWO E AND TWO F AND COMMISSIONERS.

WE ARE 8:30.

WE'LL SEE HOW THIS GOES. BUT IF COMMISSIONERS WANT AFTER THIS ITEM, WE MAY TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK BEFORE COMING BACK TO DISCUSS THE DOWNTOWN ISSUE, WHICH COULD GO FOR A WHILE . JUST KIND OF A HEADS UP.

ITEM 2E CONSIDERATION THE APPLICATION OF CODY DIXON REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION TO ALLOW A GUEST HOUSE ON PROPERTY ZONED AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, HIS PROPERTY'S LOCATED AT 1176 TALLEY ROAD. LET'S SEE.

THIS IS A SPECIFIC CASE PERVERSION FILE Z 21-13, AND 2F CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION OF CODY DIXON REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A PLAN FOR A GUEST HOUSE, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED

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AT 1176 TALLEY ROAD, STAFF PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING. HERE IS THE REQUEST AS STATED, AND THE APPLICANT PROPOSES AN APPROXIMATELY ONE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED SEVENTEEN SQUARE FOOT GUESTHOUSE TO BE LOCATED BEHIND THE PRIMARY HOUSE. HERE IS THE CASE INFORMATION.

THE ACREAGE IS APPROXIMATELY TWO POINT FIVE ACRES.

THE CITY BY LOCATION MAP, THE RED STAR, IDENTIFIES THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY'S OUTLINED IN THIS TEAL BLUE COLOR, AND IT'S LOCATED ALONG TALLEY ROAD AND SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT ARE MAINLY RESIDENTIAL. THE FUTURE USE MAP OF THE ENVISION GARLAND PLAN DESIGNATES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THE PROPOSED USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

HERE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS, THE TOP LEFT IS VIEW OF THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE GUEST HOUSE. THE TOP RIGHT IS LOOKING AT THE PRIMARY HOUSE FROM TALLEY ROAD.

THE BOTTOM LEFT IS LOOKING NORTH OF THE PROPERTY AND THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS LOOKING WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND HERE IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, WHICH SHOWS THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE THAT IS FOUR THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY SEVEN SQUARE FOOT, AND THE PROPOSED GUEST HOUSE WILL BE LOCATED BEHIND THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, AND THAT IS ONE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED SEVENTEEN SQUARE FOOT.

AND THE SITE PLAN DOES CONFORM WITH ALL THE GDC REQUIREMENTS.

AND THE GDC ALSO REQUIRES THE GUEST HOUSE TO BE LESS THAN 30 PERCENT OF THE FLOOR AREA OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.

AND THE PROPOSED GUEST HOUSE IS BELOW THAT 30 PERCENT.

ALSO COMPLIANCE WITH THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.

HERE ARE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS FOR THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE, AND THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH THE BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE GDC.

THE EAST AND THE WEST ELEVATION.

THE APPLICANT REQUEST THE SUP TO BE IN EFFECT FOR A PERIOD OF SEVEN YEARS, WHICH ALIGNS WITH THE SUP TIME PERIOD GUIDE.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE SUP FOR GUEST HOUSE ON A PROPERTY ZONED AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AND APPROVAL OF A PLAN FOR A GUEST HOUSE ON A PROPERTY ZONED AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT. WE DID MAIL OUT NOTIFICATION LETTERS.

SEVENTY TWO LETTERS WERE MAILED OUT.

THREE WERE WITHIN A NOTIFICATION AREA AND FOR THE REQUEST, ONE WAS WITHIN A NOTIFICATION AREA AND AGAINST THE REQUEST.

AND WE RECEIVED A TOTAL OF FOUR RESPONSES.

THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS? LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT'S NICE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AGAIN FOR A CHANGE, YOU KNOW THAT.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, LADIES.

I THINK YOU GOT EVERYTHING [INAUDIBLE] COMMISSIONER DALTON.

[INAUDIBLE] PUT ME BACK BEHIND THE CAMERA AGAIN SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY, IS THAT THE DEAL? NO, I HAVE PUT DUCT TAPE OVER YOUR SCREEN I'M SORRY.

IS THAT WHAT YOU DID? GOOD MOVE. I WOULD, TOO, IF I COULD.

SOMEONE'S GOING TO BUILD A HOUSE AND ONLY HAVE A SUP FOR SEVEN YEARS, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND IT AT THE END OF SEVEN YEARS.

IF IT DOESN'T GET RENEWED, THEY GOT TO TEAR IT DOWN? THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN AND RENEW THE SUP.

I BELIEVE SHE'S WORKING OFF THE APPROVED LIST, THAT CITY COUNCIL PUT TOGETHER A RECOMMENDED LENGTH SAND THEY'RE JUST WORKING BASED OFF OF THAT.

WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO IGNORE THAT LIST AND MAKE IT HOW LONG.

I JUST CAN'T SEE JUST GIVING THEM SEVEN YEARS FOR AN ENTIRE HOUSE.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER OTT. WELL, THIS IS A BIT OF COMMENTARY BECAUSE I WAS NOTICING THAT THIS IS FORESIGHTED BRICK ARCHITECTURE FOR A GUEST HOUSE.

THAT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.

BUT WAS THAT THAT WASN'T A REQUIREMENT BY THE CITY THAT THE APPLICANT THAT DECIDED TO DO THAT. SO THIS ONE POINT THAT IT'S PRETTY NEAT TO SEE.

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YEP. IS THE APPLICANT HERE, TRACEY? YES SIR.

OK. OH, YEAH.

STEVE SIGERSON. DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU.

WHILE HE'S TRYING TO CHIME IN, I'LL ASK.

DOES ANYBODY REALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR HIM? NONE. MR..

OH, CODY. YES, SORRY.

LET ME FIND HOW TO TURN MY CAMERA AROUND.

ALRIGHTY. THAT'S FINE.

NONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING OR JUST LET US DO OUR THING.

WELL, NO. I MEAN, I HAD AN ENTIRE SPEECH PREPARED FOR Y'ALL.

BUT IF IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO KEEP IT BRIEF, I JUST WOULD SAY THAT I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT.

YOU CAN SEE ME HERE. EXCUSE ME, I JUST.

FORGIVE ME FOR THAT, I, I JUST WAS SO VERY EXCITED TO WORK WITH THE COMMISSION HERE AND JUST TO GO THROUGH THIS AND NO, I DO NOT WANT TO TEAR DOWN THIS GUEST HOME AFTER SEVEN YEARS. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A TEMPORARY CONDITION UNDER THE SPECIAL USE.

SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ADJUST AND AMEND THAT GOING FORWARD.

BUT I JUST, QUITE FRANKLY, DIDN'T KNOW THE PROTOCOL.

SO BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR DETAILS REGARDING THE PROPOSAL.

COMMISSIONER ROSE I SAW YOUR HAND GO UP.

YES, SIR.

WOULD YOU BE AGREEABLE TO A LONGER SUP 10 YEARS OR 15 YEARS? ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY.

THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.

OK. A LONGER ONE.

YEAH. I AGAIN, DIDN'T KNOW THE STIPULATIONS THERE, BUT WOULD BE HAPPY TO AGREE TO A LONGER SUP. ALRIGHTY.

I THINK IF IT GOES THE WAY I THINK IT WILL THAT CAN BE ARRANGED.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS [INAUDIBLE]? CALLING EVERYBODY COMMISSIONER TONIGHT.

YES, SIR. OH, NO, MR. CHAIRMAN. NOTHING MUCH TO ADD, JUST THAT THE SUP TIME PERIOD IS VERY BROAD FOR GUEST HOUSE. IT STARTS AT FIVE YEARS AND GOES TO UNLIMITED.

THE THE TIME RANGE WAS BASED ON PREVIOUS APPROVALS BY COUNCIL AND REALLY TWO OR THREE THAT SIZE WAS VERY SMALL.

SO I DID GIVE THE APPLICANT [INAUDIBLE] DIRECTION.

BUT THIS IS HELPFUL TO RECOMMEND A PARTICULAR TIME PERIOD.

SO THANK YOU.

ALRIGHTY. AND DID YOU GIVE YOUR ADDRESS CODY? I DID NOT, IT IS THAT ONE ONE SEVEN SIX TALLEY ROAD.

COULD HAVE GUESSED THAT AND I SAW A HAND GO UP WAS THAT YOU COMMISSIONER DALTON.

WANT TO ASK A QUESTION MR. GUERIN, IN A PARTICULAR SITUATION WITH THE SUP TIME LIMIT, IS THERE ANY WAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A HOME THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND WE'RE BUILDING A GUEST HOUSE, WHICH WE'LL CALL IT AN IN-LAW HOUSE OR WHATEVER? THERE'S NO REAL WAY TO TIE THAT TO THE OTHER HOUSE.

IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A SUP? IT IF IF IT'S NOT PHYSICALLY CONNECTED, IT BECOMES A SEPARATE STRUCTURAL SUBJECT TO THE SUP RULES. OK.

[INAUDIBLE] MAKE A MOTION THEN IF EVERYBODY'S HAPPY.

GO AHEAD.

I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVED THE SUP FOR A PERIOD OF TWENTY FIVE YEARS.

AND I SEE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER ROSE, THIS TIME.

A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DALTON WITH THAT TO BE TO APPROVE THE SUP AND THE PLAN.

YES, IT WOULD. AND SECOND OCCURRING, SO WE HAVE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DALTON AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROSE TO APPROVE THE SUP FOR A PERIOD OF TWENTY FIVE YEARS.

AND THE PLAN. ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. THAT IS UNANIMOUS.

GOOD LUCK AND ENJOY THE GUEST HOUSE, SIR.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL.

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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT'S 8:41 NOW.

LET'S TRY TO COME BACK IN ABOUT 15 MINUTES, WHICH WOULD PUT US AT 8:50, COMMISSIONER ROSE. I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST WE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN, BUT DEAL WITH MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS THREE B FIRST, BECAUSE THAT'LL GO FAST, I THINK.

LET'S JUST TAKE THEM IN ORDER.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH, THAT'LL GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF A WIND DOWN AFTER THE NEXT ONE.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WE GOT TO KEEP WILL AWAKE HERE.

YOU KNOW, HE'S GOT TO PRESENT THAT ONE FOR US.

ALRIGHTY. SO, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'LL SEE YOU IN ABOUT 15.

SINCE WE'RE NOT ON TV, WE'RE A LITTLE FLEXIBLE [INAUDIBLE].

WELCOME BACK TO THE AUGUST 16TH MEETING OF THE GARLAND PLANNING COMMISSION.

WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH OUR MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS, WHICH IS ITEM 3A CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER SEVEN DOWNTOWN DISTRICT OF THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO CREATE A DOWNTOWN SQUARE SUB-DISTRICT AND LIMIT FUTURE USES ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY SURROUNDING THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YOU SEE MY SCREEN? YES, WE DO. OK, VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU. WELL, THIS IS A PROPOSED GDC AMENDMENT REGARDING CHAPTER SEVEN.

THIS WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE AREA.

THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE OF THE CITY COUNCIL MET ON JULY 19, 2021, AND RECOMMENDED TO PROCEED WITH THIS AMENDMENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS A NEXT STEP THAT WOULD GO ON TO CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE THE FINAL APPROVAL AUTHORITY.

SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED ZONE THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS THIS CHANGE.

SO IT'S REALLY THE PARCELS THAT HAVE DIRECT FRONTAGE ONTO THE SQUARE OR ON THE STREETS THAT IMMEDIATELY SURROUND THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE.

SO IT'S OUTLINED IN THIS BLUE COLOR HERE.

THAT WAS PURVIEW COMMITTEE'S DIRECTION AND WHAT THIS WOULD BE CHANGING OR CARVING OUT IS THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE IS CURRENTLY WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC SUB-DISTRICT.

THE SQUARE IS ABOUT RIGHT HERE.

SO IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC SUB-DISTRICT AT THE DOWNTOWN ZONING AREA. SO WE WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY CARVING OUT A NEW DOWNTOWN SUB-DISTRICT SHOWN HERE.

SO LITTLE BEFORE AND AFTER, SO BE CARVING THAT OUT AND THEN DEFINING THE ALLOWABLE USES WITHIN THIS NEWLY CREATED SUB-DISTRICT.

SO GO THROUGH THE USES, I WON'T READ EACH AND EVERY ONE, BUT I'M CERTAINLY HAPPY TO GO BACK, IF YOU LIKE.

THIS PRESENTATION WAS IN YOUR PACKETS AND THIS INFORMATION WAS ALSO SENT WITH THE NOTIFICATION LETTERS THAT WENT OUT FOR THIS CASE.

BUT ON THE LEFT HAND COLUMN IS THE CURRENT ALLOWED USES.

AGAIN, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED DOWNTOWN HISTORIC SUB-DISTRICT.

ON THE RIGHT HAND COLUMN IS THE PROPOSAL, THE LIST OF ALLOWED USES IN THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE SUB-DISTRICT. SO YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THESE USES IN THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE.

NO CHANGES HERE. THESE WOULD ALL CONTINUE TO BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT. IF IT'S BY SUP, IT'LL NOTE THAT HERE ON THE SLIDES.

BUT THESE WOULD ALL BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

YOU COULD SEE SOME EXAMPLES HERE, RETAIL, RESTAURANT, FITNESS STUDIO, PERSONAL SERVICES, THINGS LIKE THAT, ART AND CRAFTS STUDIO, ANTIQUE SHOPS, INDOORS ONLY.

AND THEN HERE YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE SAME BEFORE AND AFTER ARE THE SAME ALLOWANCES, BUT I'VE NOTED THE DIFFERENCE IN DIFFERENCES IN RED.

SO STARTING WITH SMALL SCALE THEATERS, WHICH ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT, THIS WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS AN ASSEMBLY HALL, WHICH WOULD NOT WHICH, NEW USES WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED EXCEPT BY LAND USE CREDIT.

WE'LL GET INTO THAT AND EXPLAIN THAT HERE IN A FEW MINUTES.

MULTIFAMILY. AND THIS PROPOSAL WOULD BE ABOUT ALLOWED BY SUP ONLY.

SAME WITH FURNITURE OR HOUSEHOLD FURNISHING, FURNISHINGS AND APPLIANCE SALES AND RENTAL BY SUP ONLY, WHERE IT IS CURRENTLY IT'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

TO THE NEXT FEW USES NO CHANGES THERE WITHIN A NOTABLE CHANGE HERE FOR HOTEL AND MOTEL.

THOSE WOULD BE BY SUP ONLY, BUT LIMITED TO FULL SERVICE AND LIMITED SERVICE RATHER THAN THE EXTENDED STAY.

AND SOME BEFORE AND AFTER SLIDES HERE, THESE WOULD BE NOT LISTED AS PERMITTED USES EITHER BY RIGHT OR BY SUP IN THIS DRAFT.

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AND THEN HERE'S THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU COULD SEE SOME AGAIN WHERE IT'S BLANK.

IT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED AS A AS A NEWLY PERMITTED USE.

OF COURSE, THOSE ANY OF THOSE THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXISTING WOULD BE CONSIDERED LEGAL, NONCONFORMING AND ALLOWED TO CONTINUE AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT EXPANDING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

CHURCH OR A PLACE OF WORSHIP.

THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED UNDER THE PROPOSED ASSEMBLY HALLS DEFINITION CRAFTED BY THE ATTORNEYS OFFICE. AGAIN, WE'LL GET INTO THAT HERE IN A LITTLE BIT.

SAME WITH SOCIAL SERVICE FACILITIES, AGENCIES, CIVIC CLUBS AND FRATERNAL LODGES AND RECEPTION FACILITIES.

AND THEN FINALLY, HERE'S THE LAST SLIDE, JUST A LIST OF A LIST OF EXISTING PERMITTED USES EITHER BY RIGHT OR BY SUP, AS NOTED HERE, FINANCIAL INSTITUTION THAT INCLUDES BANKS AND THEN UNDER THE PROPOSED ALLOWED USES OVER TO THE RIGHT WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED AS IT USES . DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE NOT BEING CHANGED WITH THIS PROPOSAL OTHER THAN JUST REFERENCING THE NEW DOWNTOWN SQUARE SUB-DISTRICT WITH THOSE APPLICABLE STANDARDS.

SO WE'RE JUST MATCHING THOSE UP WITH REALLY WHAT'S OUT THERE OR WHAT'S REQUIRED TODAY IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

SO ASSEMBLY HALLS, THE DEFINITION IS CRAFTED BY THE ATTORNEYS OFFICES.

IT'S A TRACT OF LAND OR STRUCTURE DESIGNED OR PRIMARILY USED FOR A GROUP OF PERSONS TO GATHER TOGETHER, USUALLY AT DESIGNATED MEETING TIMES FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR MISSION WHETHER POLITICAL, CULTURAL, EDUCATIONAL OR RELIGIOUS.

THE TERMS THE TERM INCLUDES, BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO SOCIAL SERVICES, CIVIC CLUBS, RECEPTION FACILITIES, MEETING HALLS, RELIGIOUS SERVICES, FRATERNAL LODGES, ET CETERA.

AND ESSENTIALLY HOW THIS WORKS.

I'LL KIND OF READ A LITTLE BIT FROM THE REPORT, IF THAT'S OK, JUST TO KEEP MYSELF ON TRACK, BUT MAKE SURE I'M EXPLAINING IT CORRECTLY.

BUT THIS WOULD BE THIS WOULD BE INTRODUCING A LAND USE CREDIT VERSUS EITHER ALLOWING IT BY RIGHT OR BY SUP.

WE HAVE A SIMILAR CONCEPT FOR THE AUTOMOBILE OVERLAY THAT'S A LITTLE FURTHER TO THE EAST IN GARLAND. BUT DUE TO THE LIMITED PUBLIC PARKING ON AND AROUND SQUARE ASSEMBLY HALLS, WHICH GENERALLY CREATE A DEMAND FOR INTENSIVE PARKING.

PLUS, THE INTENT HERE FROM THE COMMITTEE IS THAT THE PROPOSED USES ALIGN WITH FOSTERING A VIBRANT, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DOWNTOWN CORE ENVIRONMENT.

IF YOU'VE PROBABLY OBSERVED FROM THE LIST OF USES, THEY PRIMARILY INCLUDE ALONG THE LINES OF RETAIL, RESTAURANT AND ENTERTAINMENT TYPE USES.

BUT THE ASSEMBLY HALL USES WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE SUB-DISTRICT WITH TRANSFERABLE LAND USE CREDIT USE CREDITS.

ASSEMBLY HALL USES CURRENTLY EXISTING WITHIN THE DISTRICT WILL BE ALLOCATED A TRANSFERABLE LAND USE CREDIT FOR EACH SQUARE FOOT OF PROPERTY OCCUPIED OR USED AS AN ASSEMBLY HALL EXCLUSIVE OF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES, LOBBIES, BATHROOMS, CLOSETS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

A NEW ASSEMBLY HALL MAY NOT OPERATE, AND AN EXISTING ASSEMBLY HALL USE MAY NOT EXPAND UNLESS THE PROPOSED OR EXISTING ASSEMBLY HALL USE OBTAINS TRANSFERABLE LAND USE CREDITS FROM ANOTHER ASSEMBLY HALL USE WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE SUB-DISTRICT.

SO EXISTING ASSEMBLY HALLS ARE STILL CONSIDERED LEGAL AND CONFORMING.

THEY JUST CAN'T EXPAND WITHOUT A LAND USE CREDIT TRANSFERRED FROM ANOTHER ASSEMBLY HALL USE WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE AREA.

AND MR. [INAUDIBLE] IS HERE TO EXPAND ON THAT OR ANSWER FURTHER LEGAL RELATED QUESTION.

JUST IT'S NEEDED AND I BELIEVE THAT'S IT.

AS FAR AS A NOTIFICATION LETTERS MAILED OUT THIS, WHILE THIS IS A GDC AMENDMENT, IT OBVIOUSLY IS AFFECTING A SIGNIFICANT ZONING CHANGE.

WE TREATED IT VERY SIMILARLY TO ZONING CHANGE AND THAT WE MAILED OUT NOTIFICATION LETTERS ON THIS. SO WE MAILED OUT ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY TWO LETTERS.

WE RECEIVED THREE IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST AND SIX IN OPPOSITION.

AND WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS.

ALRIGHTY, THERE MIGHT BE ONE OR TWO.

ALRIGHTY COMMISSIONER OTT AND COMMISSIONER ROSE, [INAUDIBLE].

AND THERE YOU ARE IN THE CORNER, COMMISSIONER LUCHT.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WILL, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

ONE OF THE THINGS I'M CURIOUS ABOUT IS WHAT IS THE REASONING FOR THE EXCLUSION OF OFFICE

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FROM THE LIST? OF OFFICE, I'M SORRY? YES FOR OFFICE USES.

SURE. WELL, BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING OF YOU KNOW THE LIST OF USERS ARE PRIMARILY INTENDED TO KIND OF HONE IN ON MORE USES THAT GENERATE MORE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AROUND THE SQUARE, PERHAPS THAT STAY OPEN A LITTLE LATER DURING THE EVENINGS IF THERE'S EVENTS AND WHATNOT, FRIDAY, SATURDAY NIGHTS, THAT SORT OF THING.

SO I THINK THAT WAS KIND OF THE INTENT.

CERTAINLY. I KNOW WE'VE HEARD FROM A FEW OFFICE USERS, AND IT'S CERTAINLY NOT UNUSUAL TO HAVE OFFICES, OBVIOUSLY, IN A CORE DOWNTOWN AREA.

SO THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED AND RECOMMENDED ACCORDINGLY BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS THIS PROCEEDS.

THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADD THAT WORKS WITH A SUP, CORRECT? CORRECT. YES, SIR. OK.

ANOTHER THING. CAN YOU DEFINE WHAT A LIVE, WORK UNIT IS? SURE. I'VE GOT CHAPTER SIX OF THE GDC HANDY BECAUSE I FIGURED THEY'RE GOING TO BE QUESTIONS ABOUT DEFINITIONS OF SOME OF THESE USES THAT THE TERMINOLOGY I WENT THROUGH THOSE SLIDES. THOSE WERE JUST THE TERMINOLOGY TAKEN STRAIGHT FROM THE GDC.

I KNOW SOME OF THEM ARE KIND OF TECHNICAL SOUNDING.

LIVE, WORK UNIT.

SO BEAR WITH ME, IT'S.

IT MAY BE IN THE DOWNTOWN [INAUDIBLE] HERE WE GO.

OK, LIVE, WORKING UNITS CONTAINING BOTH LIVING QUARTERS AND A COMMERCIAL SPACE SUCH AS RETAIL ARTIST SPACE OR GALLERY BUSINESS OR OTHER PROFESSIONAL OFFICE ACTIVITIES WHERE THE LIVING AND WORKING AREAS SHALL EACH HAVE A SEPARATE ENTRY FROM THE PUBLIC WALKWAY.

AND THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IS LOCATED ABOVE THE COMMERCIAL USE.

THAT'S WHAT I [INAUDIBLE]. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT [INAUDIBLE] REDEVELOPMENT OF THESE UNITS AND DECIDED TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE THEY LIVED ABOVE IT AND HAD AN ART STUDIO OR SOMETHING BELOW. OK, THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS I HAVE RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER ROSE AND THEN COMMISSIONER LUCHT.

THANK YOU. BEFORE WE GET TOO DEEP INTO THIS AND IT MAY WELL BE SOME TIME, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT AT LEAST HALF, IF NOT MORE THAN HALF OF THE PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM ARE GONE.

MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT WE TABLE THIS UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING AND HAVE IT THE VERY FIRST ITEM. WE CAN CONSIDER THAT, BUT I WOULD WANT TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT FIRST, THOUGH, AND THEN WE CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION BECAUSE THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND THEY'RE HERE NOW SO BUT WE CAN DO THAT.

COMMISSIONER LUCHT.

I'M I'M CURIOUS WHY A PHARMACY IS ADDED TO THE LIST OF ALLOWED BUSINESSES AND THINGS LIKE OFFICE SPACE AREN'T.

I JUST DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHY A PHARMACY WOULD HAVE ENTERTAINMENT OR THAT KIND OF ENTERTAINMENT VALUE IN THE SQUARE.

AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TAKE OFF THE LIST.

WELL, WE'RE HERE TO ADVISE THE COUNCIL AND THEY'LL PROBABLY BE WATCHING THIS, BUT WE WILL ALSO BE PUTTING TOGETHER A MOTION TO TAKE SOME KIND OF ACTION RECOMMENDED WITH SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS SO WE CAN CONSIDER ANY OF THAT.

OK COMMISSIONER BACK TO COMMISSIONER OTT.

[INAUDIBLE] CHAIRMAN, I HAD A QUESTION I FORGOT TO ASK.

WHAT IF YOU CAN, AND WILL.

IF YOU COULD EXPAND ON WHAT THE REASONS WHY THIS IS BEFORE US.

WHY ARE WE LOOKING TO TO MAKE THIS CHANGE OR THESE RECOMMENDATIONS? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT THAT THAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO? WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH INTO THE BACKGROUND I'D BE ABLE TO REALLY SPEAK ON OTHER THAN, AGAIN, I THINK THE INTENT WAS LOOKING AT FUTURE POSSIBLE USES THAT COULD GO RIGHT ON THE SQUARE, GIVEN THE CITY'S INVESTMENT IN THE SQUARE AND TRYING TO CREATE HAVE A VIBRANT PEDESTRIAN, FAMILY ORIENTED ENVIRONMENT, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, AND MAKING SURE THE USES ALL ALIGN WITH THAT AND USES THAT KIND OF GENERATE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY WAS KIND OF A CONCEPT THERE.

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THAT'S THAT'S.

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED THAT WAS THE REAL REASON IS THAT WE HAVE THE CITY IS GOING TO BE PUTTING A SIZABLE INVESTMENT IN THE SQUARE AND THE AND THAT IS TO MAKE IT MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, TO MAKE IT WHERE IT'S A WALKABLE AREA.

PEOPLE BUMP INTO EACH OTHER AND THAT WE HAVE ENTERTAINMENT VENUES FOR PUTTING A PERMANENT STAGE. EVERYTHING'S GOING MORE AND A CERTAIN VISION AND DIRECTION.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ALIGN THE USES THAT GO AROUND THIS SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT SO THAT WE'RE ALL WALKING IN BASICALLY THE SAME STEP THAT.

WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? YES, SIR.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER JENKINS.

THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. I'VE GOT ABOUT FOUR QUESTIONS.

THE FIRST QUESTION IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE OTHERS.

FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, ENCOURAGING PEDESTRIAN WALKING MOVEMENTS.

WHY WOULD A BANK NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE A PEDESTRIAN TO COME INTO THE AREA? SURE, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

THERE IS AN EXISTING BANK, OF COURSE, THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS ON THE WESTERN SOUTHWESTERN PART OF THE SQUARE, SO THAT THAT CAN CERTAINLY BE PART OF THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION [INAUDIBLE].

WE WENT THROUGH WITH THE COMMITTEES THAT WE DRAFTED IT TOGETHER AND THEN THE COMMITTEE MADE SOME CHANGES. BUT ULTIMATELY, THIS IS THE LIST THAT'S BEFORE YOU ALL.

BUT CERTAINLY I FIGURED THIS WOULD BE SOMEWHAT FLUID GOING THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND ULTIMATELY TO COUNCIL AND FIGURE THAT PROBABLY SOME CHANGES ALONG THE WAY.

SO. THANK YOU.

NEXT QUESTION, I SO I TRIED TO LISTEN IN ON THAT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE MEETING, ALL OF YOU SPEAKING GREEK BASICALLY THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE MEETING.

THE ONE QUESTION I THINK IS REALLY PRESSING IS UNDERSTANDING WHY A SUDDEN DESIGNATION OF A LAND USE CREDIT IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO ENCOURAGE THE DIRECTION.

SO I HEARD THAT THIS IS SOMETHING A LITTLE NEW AND SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF CITIES HAVE NOT DONE BEFORE.

AND I HEARD IT THAT WOULD SCARE ME BECAUSE ANYTHING NEW AS AN ATTORNEY MEANS IT'S RIPE FOR ALL SORTS OF ARGUING.

AND I'M JUST TRYING TO BE CERTAIN I UNDERSTAND HOW THIS COULD WORK.

GO AHEAD, MR. [INAUDIBLE].

YEAH THERE YOU ARE. COMMISSIONER JENKINS, YOU'RE CORRECT, IT IS FAIRLY UNIQUE, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT NEW TO THE CITY OF GARLAND.

WE'VE DONE SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO THE AUTOMOBILE OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHICH IS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA ALSO.

BUT BASICALLY THE CONCEPT IS FOR EVERY FOOT OF A PARTICULAR LAND USE THAT YOU HAVE, WE ISSUE THAT CREDIT FOR IT.

AND THE IDEA IS, IS THAT YOU DON'T THROW THEM INTO NONCONFORMING STATUS LIKE YOU WOULD IF YOU DID A STRIKE ZONING OR TO EITHER REQUIRE A SUP.

AND BECAUSE ANY TIME YOU THROW THAT LAND USE INTO NONCONFORMING STATUS, THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES TO THAT, PARTICULARLY IF THEY'RE EVER GOING TO GET A LOAN TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY THAT COULD THEY COULD RUN INTO PROBLEMS REQUIRING LENDING FOR THAT TYPE OF ACTIVITY.

AND SO THIS IS A FAIRLY UNIQUE CONCEPT TO GARLAND.

AND IN FACT, I'M NOT SURE I KNOW OF ANY OTHER CITY THAT USED OR HAD THIS CONCEPT IN PLACE FOR US FOR I WOULD SAY AROUND 20 YEARS, AT LEAST, AT LEAST 14 YEARS, I THINK WAS PROBABLY CLOSE TO 20. THANK YOU.

AND JUST TO PIGGYBACK OFF THAT, SO I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICATION OF THE LAND USE CREDIT AS IT APPLIES TO COMMERCIAL PURPOSE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUES.

THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M LIKE.

THAT'S WHERE THE KNOT IN MY STOMACH, ESPECIALLY THE CHURCHES, THERE'S ALREADY A CHURCH THERE SO WE HAVE THAT.

OK. WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS ISSUE QUITE A NUMBER OF TIMES IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND EVEN BEFORE THAT, AS FAR AS REGULATING CHURCHES AND [INAUDIBLE] THE CITY HAS NEVER REGULATED CHURCHES AS TO WHAT IS AS FAR AS ZONING GOES, THEY'VE ALWAYS[INAUDIBLE] ZONING DISTRICT THAT THEY WISH TO OPERATE IN.

IT'S CREATED PROBLEMS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

IT'S CREATED PROBLEMS IN OTHER LOCATIONS.

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IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT'S CREATING SOME KIND OF VOIDS AND PARKING ISSUES.

BUT WE ALREADY HAVE PARKING ISSUES DOWNTOWN, AND I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT.

AND SO WITH THE IDEA OF ASSEMBLIES IS THAT ANY USE AND CHURCHES JUST HAPPENED TO BE ONE OF SEVERAL USES THAT WE'VE DEFINED AS ASSEMBLIES.

AND WHAT THE COURTS HAVE SAID AS FAR AS THE [INAUDIBLE] STATUTE GOES, AND THAT'S THE FEDERAL LAW THAT PROTECTS WORSHIP ASSEMBLIES AND ALSO INSTITUTIONAL PERSONS, BUT IN THIS CASE, WORSHIP ASSEMBLIES.

AS LONG AS WE'RE TREATING THEM THE SAME AS THEY ARE OTHER SOCIAL ACTIVITIES, SIMILARLY SITUATED ACTIVITIES THEN WE'RE NOT IN VIOLATION OF THE TEXAS [INAUDIBLE].

TEXAS ALSO HAS A LAW THAT IS THAT PRETTY MUCH TRACKS WITH THE FEDERAL LAW.

AND SO AS LONG AS WE'RE TREATING THE SAME AS SOME SOCIAL SERVICES AND OTHER ASSEMBLIES GATHERING AND THAT'S THE REASON YOU'LL SEE IN OUR PARTICULAR CASE, NOTICE THAT WE'VE INCLUDED AS ASSEMBLIES SOME CITY USES THERE, INCLUDING OUR [INAUDIBLE], BECAUSE THERE IS ONE PARTICULAR CASE OUT THERE WITH THE COURT SAID, LISTEN, WE UNDERSTAND THAT Y'ALL ARE HAVING, THAT Y'ALL ARE SAYING Y'ALL ARE HAVING SOME TRAFFIC ISSUES AND PARKING ISSUES, BUT RIGHT NEXT DOOR WE NOTICED THERE'S A THEATER.

AND HOW IS A THEATER ANY DIFFERENT THAN A CHURCH? AND BECAUSE THE CITY DID NOT INCLUDE THAT PARTICULAR USE IN THEIR IN THEIR REGULATORY SCHEME, THE COURT DIDN'T LIKE IT.

AND SO WE'VE INCLUDED BOTH THE CHURCH, THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A PORTION OF THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE THAT'S THAT'S CONSTRUCTED IN OUR NEW PLAN FOR ASSEMBLIES.

IT'S OUTDOOR ASSEMBLIES, BUT NEVERTHELESS, IT'S THE SAME PLACE.

AND SO THE CITY WILL HAVE ASSEMBLY HALL CREDITS, LAND USE CREDITS GIVEN TO THEM, AS WELL AS THE CHURCH THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.

AND [INAUDIBLE] SAID, IS THAT THE CHURCH WON'T BE GOING INTO NONCONFORMING STATUS.

SO IF THEY EVER IMPROVE THAT PROPERTY AND IMPROVE THAT PARTICULAR PERIOD WHICH THEY'RE DOING THEIR ASSEMBLY HALL USE, THEY'LL BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

THE THEATER THAT YOU MENTIONED, SO THE THEATER IS MARKED SUP ONLY IT SHOULD BE LAND USE? I'M SORRY SAY IT AGAIN. THE THEATER. IT LOOKS LIKE PROPOSAL ALLOWED USES, PARKS, SMALL SCALE THEATER AS A SUP VERSUS THE ASSEMBLY LAND USE DESIGNATION ASSEMBLY HALL EXCUSE ME, LAND USE DESIGNATION.

YES [INAUDIBLE] IS CONSIDERED AN ASSEMBLY HALL LAND USE DESIGNATION.

OK, THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER LUCHT, IS YOUR HANDS UP OR? YES, IT IS. I WAS JUST CURIOUS HOW THE CHURCH WOULD BRING WALKABILITY TO THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE IF IT'S ONLY OPEN ON SUNDAYS AND MAYBE LIKE A WEEKDAY.

AND THAT MAY BE THE THINKING PART OF THINKING IS THE WALKABILITY IN ADDITION TO PARKING, IF I'M GOING TO INTERJECT HERE A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE MR. ENGLAND BROUGHT UP THE LEGAL NONCONFORMING USE, I WENT DOWN TO THE SQUARE.

WE'RE REMOVING THIRTY FIVE USES, INCLUDING BANK, OFFICE, BUSINESS AND MEDIA SERVICES.

[INAUDIBLE] STATE STREET, LET'S SEE.

IS A RENTAL. IT'S AN OFFICE BUILDING.

[INAUDIBLE] NO 203 FIFTH STREET IS THE CITY BUILDING CITY OWNS THE FIRST FLOOR, IT'S APARTMENTS UP ABOVE. AND SO IT'S AN OFFICE USE, IT'S NOT ALLOWED, IT'D BE LEGAL, NONCONFORMING USE, IF THE.

IF THE ONE OFFICE MOVES OUT AND THE CITY DOESN'T MOVE SOMEBODY IN WITHIN 60 DAYS, IT [INAUDIBLE] PERMANENTLY. ACCORDING TO THIS.

505 STATE STATE STREET IS [INAUDIBLE] COUNSELING AS OFFICE USE, 505 ALSO 505 IS AN ATTORNEYS OFFICE.

AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE FIRST GUARANTY BANK.

THEY'RE ALL NOW, IF THIS PASSES AS IS THROWN INTO LEGAL, NONCONFORMING.

NOW, IF THEY'RE IT'S APPROVED SUP, I WOULD SUGGEST GIVING EACH OF THEM A 50 YEAR SUP IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THIS.

I'VE BEEN TO [INAUDIBLE], SEVERAL TIMES MY MY SON LIVES THERE.

AND IT'S A DOWNTOWN WE ASPIRE TO BE.

AND THERE'S A COMBINATION OF STORES, RESTAURANTS, OFFICES, ATTORNEYS, ACCOUNTANTS AND STUFF. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE THREE THREE USES TO PUT BACK IN.

AND I'VE ALSO CAUGHT WIND OF A VIDEO STUDIO LOOKING TO COME IN DOWNTOWN AND THAT WOULD NOT QUALIFY EITHER UNDER [INAUDIBLE] SERVICE.

SO I THINK THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL BE PUT BACK IN BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE DOWNTOWN LIFE.

BUT AGAIN, THE NONCONFORMING USE YEAH HAS FINANCIAL RAMIFICATIONS AND USE RAMIFICATIONS

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IF SOMETHING SITS EMPTY.

FOR A WHILE. AND MR. ENGLAND, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, MAYBE A TECHNICAL QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE CREDIT, THE THEATER, THE CHURCH, THEY ALL HAVE EXISTING CREDITS.

YOU'RE PLANNING ON GIVING THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE A CREDIT FOR SOMETHING THAT ISN'T BUILT YET. HOW WOULD THAT BE DONE? WOULD THE DEADLINE FOR CREDITS BE EXTENDED TO THE POINT WHEN THAT IS FINALLY CONSTRUCTED AND THOSE CREDITS WOULD BE APPLICABLE? NO, WE WOULD TREAT IT JUST THE SAME AS WITH ANY PRIVATE ENTITY.

THAT IS, THE PLAN HAS ALREADY BEEN IN PLACE FOR THE CITY.

THERE IS ACTUALLY A PLAN IN PLACE.

AND SO WE WILL GO IN AS A VESTED [INAUDIBLE], AS WE SAY, WITH PRIVATE ENTITY THAT GOES INTO IT'S VESTED RIGHTS.

AND SO WE BASE IT OFF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT SHOWN ON THE ON THE CURRENT AND FINALLY APPROVED PLAN. I KNOW YOU'D HAVE AN ANSWER.

I HADN'T THOUGHT OF VESTED RIGHTS. [INAUDIBLE] OK.

I'M A VESTED RIGHT ADVOCATE AND I WILL SUPPORT YOU ON THAT ONE.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IT'S [INAUDIBLE], DID I HEAR SOMEBODY? YES, ME, COMMISSIONER ROSE, YOU'RE BEHIND THE CAMERA NOW, ALL THE PICTURES PUT AROUND.

SO IT'S LIKE MUSICAL SQUARES, WHO DO I NOT SEE? THERE IS AN EXISTING DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF INPUT THEY GAVE TO THE COUNCIL'S COMMITTEE THAT PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER. I THINK THAT'S A MR. GUERIN QUESTION. YES, SIR.

I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY FORMAL OUTREACH.

IT WAS THE COMMITTEE THAT THE ITEM WAS SENT BY COUNCIL TO THE COMMITTEE.

WE HAD THAT MEETING AND THEN THE DIRECTION WAS THE NEXT NEXT FORMAL STEP IS TAKE IT THROUGH THE OFFICIAL CODE AMENDMENT PROCESS, WHICH IS PLANNING COMMISSION, COUNCIL.

THAT BEING SAID, MY UNDERSTANDING IS ALSO THAT THE PLAN IS TO MEET WITH THE THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE STAKEHOLDERS, BUSINESS OWNERS HERE SOON BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNCIL.

SO THIS PLAN IS BEING PUSHED FORWARD BY A SUBCOMMITTEE TO THE COUNCIL WITHOUT CONSIDERATION OF ANY OF THE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN.

THEY WANT TO PASS IT AND THEN TALK TO THE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN.

THAT'S KIND OF PUTTING THE HORSE BEFORE THE CART, ISN'T IT? BEFORE THE HORSE OR SOMETHING.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE PLAN WAS COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE] MY CONVERSATIONS WITH A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THE IDES IS GET THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMITTEE AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN TAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNERS.

AND AT THAT POINT, IF IT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION, IT CAN OR IF IT NEEDS GO BACK COMMITTEE IT CAN OR IT CAN GO STRAIGHT TO THE WORK SESSION FOR COUNCIL.

BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNERS WILL BE CONSULTED AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR INPUT.

WILL BE OR MAY BE OR MIGHT BE? THERE'S A LOT OF IFFY STUFF THERE.

I MEAN, ONCE IT'S ONCE IT'S BEING MOVED FORWARD, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN I MEAN, IT'S JUST I STILL THINK THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.

WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONER ROSE THAT THAT COULD ALSO BE A RECOMMENDATION OF THE COUNCIL OR EXCUSE ME, FROM THE COMMISSION TO THE COUNCIL, THE AND DIRECTION TO STAFF, OF COURSE, TO MEET WITH THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNERS BEFORE IT GOES TO THE FULL COUNCIL.

BUT THEN WHY CAN'T WE TABLE THIS UNTIL ALL THAT'S DONE AND IT'S SMOOTHED OUT AND THEN DEAL WITH IT,.

AND AGAIN, HALF OR MORE OF THE FOLKS THAT WERE GOING TO TALK AREN'T HERE.

I JUST I JUST THINK WE'RE GOING TOO FAST.

ASK ONE QUESTION AND LET'S THEN OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE I'M CERTAIN THAT'LL GENERATE MORE QUESTIONS.

HAS HAS BEEN SET AS AN AGENDA ITEM, OR IS THE FOR THE COUNCIL FOR PASSING OUR APPROVAL? AND ARE THEY ANTICIPATING DOING THAT? THERE HAS NOT BEEN SET AS AN AGENDA ITEM YET.

AND IT'S A TYPICAL PROCESS FOR TO GO TO THEIR WORK SESSION FIRST, THEN THEY [INAUDIBLE] THEY HAVE TO AGREE TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.

AND THEN IT GOES TO WE'RE LOOKING AT A MINIMUM OF A MONTH.

THE STATE OF PROCESS IS IT WILL GO TO WORK SESSION AND THEN IT'LL BE NOT ON THE FOLLOWING NIGHT AGENDA FOR THE REGULAR MEETING, BUT ON THE TWO WEEKS LATER.

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FOR THAT.

I'M TRYING TO GET SOME KIND OF COMMITMENT THAT WE'RE NOT BEING PART OF A PROCESS TO PUSH IT STRAIGHT THROUGH WITHOUT ACKNOWLEDGING THE LANDOWNERS THERE IN A PROPER MANNER.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO MEET WITH THE LANDOWNERS PRIOR TO THE FINAL COUNCIL APPROVAL ON THIS AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE INPUT, I HEAR THAT'S A COMMITMENT THAT I KNOW THERE'S A COMMITMENT OF AT LEAST OF AT LEAST A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS AND I BELIEVE STAFF HAS COMMITTED THAT SAME PROCESS.

ALRIGHTY, IF I CAN, LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC NOW, TRACEY, YOU CAN JUST BRING THEM ON ONE OF THE TIME. HOWEVER, IT WORKS OUT.

OK. OUR FIRST SPEAKER WILL BE THOMAS BAILEY.

ALRIGHTY AND AGAIN, AS USUAL, WE'LL NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE, MR. BAILEY. OK, I'M HERE [INAUDIBLE] HERE.

YES. OH, YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

THANK YOU. OK, THOMAS BAILEY, MY OFFICE IS 614 MAINE IN GARLAND, I LIVE IN DALLAS AT 10220 CHESTERTON WITH A&S PROPERTIES.

AND WE OWN ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN PROPERTIES IN DOWNTOWN GARLAND THROUGH TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES. IN PARTICULAR, WE OWN THE CORNER OF MAIN STREET AND SIXTH STREET, WHICH HOUSES A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION, AND THE BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT FOR A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION AND A BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT FOR OFFICES.

AND SO BASICALLY, VIRTUALLY EVERYONE IN THAT BUILDING WILL NOW BE NONCONFORMING.

THAT PARTICULAR BRANCH IS WHERE WE UNDERSTAND ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL TEXAS BRANCHES.

THAT BANK IS OWNED BY A GROUP AND THEY ARE PRIMARILY IN TEXAS AND LOUISIANA.

SO MOST OF US PROBABLY SEE A SLEEPY LITTLE BANK, BUT IT'S A FLAGSHIP BANK IN THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR FIRST GUARANTY BANK.

AND OUR CONCERN IS WHAT THIS DOES.

IF THEY WANT TO BRING IN ADDITIONAL OFFICES FOR MORTGAGE LENDING OR OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT WITH BE NONCONFORMING AND THEN THAT'S PRETTY MUCH RULED OUT.

THE BUILDING WAS BUILT FOR FINANCIAL INSTITUTION.

IT HAS VAULTS AND REDOING THE BUILDING WOULD TO MAKE IT RETAIL IS VERY COSTLY AND HIGHLY IMPROBABLE. SO BASED ON THAT BUILDING ALONE, WE WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS A LITTLE BIT FAR REACHING AND UNDERSTAND AND TOTALLY AGREE.

I MEAN, WE WE OWN THE BUILDING WHERE [INAUDIBLE] IS.

WE OWN OTHER BUILDINGS THAT HAVE RETAIL DOWN THERE.

AND SO IDEA THAT WE WANT THE DOWNTOWN TO BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE ARE WALKING AND COMING AND USING THOSE RETAIL FACILITIES, WE TOTALLY ARE BEHIND THAT.

BUT WE JUST THOUGHT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT FAR REACHING.

WHEN YOU WHEN YOU RULE OUT FINANCIAL SERVICES AND OFFICE USE, IT PRETTY MAKES PRETTY MUCH MAKES THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING OBSOLETE.

WE HAVE CONCERNS WITH ASSEMBLIES NOT BEING ALLOWED.

AT ONE POINT IN TIME, THE GARLAND OPRY WAS DOWNTOWN, WHICH IF IT'S AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT AND A MUSIC VENUE, SMALL MUSIC VENUE, SHOULD SHOULD FIT INTO WHAT'S ON THE SQUARE, IN MY OPINION.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THE DOWNTOWN PEOPLE THINK ABOUT IT BEING MUSIC WITH FIDDLING AROUND THE SQUARE AND WITH THE GARLAND OPRY HAVING BEEN THERE.

AND NOW WITH THE MUSIC THAT TAKES PLACE AND IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THE PIECE OF PIZZA RESTAURANT AND THEN ULTIMATELY IT KIND OF WHAT'S PLANNED WITH THE MAIN SHOW ON THE SQUARE. SO I THINK THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT FAR REACHING AT THIS POINT, THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT, AND YOU BROUGHT UP A POINT THAT I MEANT TO MENTION IS WE HAVE BUILDINGS WITH TWO STORIES AND A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, I DID A SKETCH FOR ADDING A SECOND FLOOR TO A PORTION OF ONCE, ONE PART OF ONE STREET FOR APARTMENTS AND OR OFFICES, AND TO PRECLUDE OFFICES AND BUSINESSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I THINK WOULD BE A DISSERVICE TO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TOO.

AND YOU SAYING YOU GUYS HAVE A DISCUSSION? WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR AND THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO HEAR TOO SO.

AND ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MR. BAILEY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN.

WE APPRECIATE IT. YOU BET.

ALRIGHTY TRACEY NEXT.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ALAN STAFFORD.

MR. STAFFORD IF YOU'LL UNMUTED YOURSELF AND.

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GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

NAME'S ALLEN STANFORD.

I'M HERE WITH MY WIFE, SARAH STAFFORD.

WE HAVE RESIDED AT 120 WEST AVENUE D SINCE 1979.

THIS IS A HOUSE THAT HASKELL ROACH AND RUTH ROACH WERE BORN IN [INAUDIBLE] HUNDREDS LATE EIGHTEEN HUNDREDS. WOW.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF GARLAND SINCE 1949.

I'M BE THE OLDEST ONE ON THE ZOOM RIGHT NOW.

AND I'M A GRADUATE OF FREMONT ELEMENTARY, BUSSEY JUNIOR HIGH AND GARLAND HIGH SCHOOL, I'M TRYING TO MAKE A POINT HERE.

I'VE BEEN AROUND GARLAND INSTITUTIONS ALL MY LIFE.

I MOVED MY LAW OFFICE TO GARLAND WHEN I WAS LICENSED IN 1973.

I MOVE MY OFFICE TO THE SQUARE AT 505 STATE STREET IN 1977, I THINK THAT'S FORTY FOUR YEARS AGO, I'M STARTING TO LEARN THAT I MUST NOT BE A VERY GOOD CITIZEN, [INAUDIBLE] IT'S CITIES WANTING TO ELIMINATE ME AND THE USE OF MY OFFICE.

I JUST THOUGHT [INAUDIBLE], I'LL HAVE TO VERIFY THIS.

BUT I THINK I PAID FOR A HISTORICAL DESIGNATION FOR MY OFFICE AS AN OFFICE.

AND I'LL CHECK THAT OUT AND BRING IT UP, BUT THE CITY CAN ELIMINATE THAT AT ANY TIME, I'M SURE.

THE TWO THINGS I KEEP HEARING FROM THE CITY OFFICIALS IS THE GARLAND DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION ASKS TO ELIMINATE GENERAL OFFICE USE DOWNTOWN.

THAT'S A SURPRISE TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE A MEMBER OF THAT ORGANIZATION.

AND THE OTHER THING I KEEP HEARING, ALTHOUGH I APPRECIATE THE CITY ATTORNEY, IS THAT THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONFORMING AND NONCONFORMING.

AND DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

IT WON'T, YOU CAN KEEP USING THAT BUILDING.

SO. I GUESS THAT STRAIGHTENED UP NOW BY THE CITY ATTORNEY TONIGHT THAT THERE IS A DETRIMENT TO NONCONFORMING USE.

MY OFFICE IS DOESN'T HARM GARLAND.

IT. I PICK UP THE TRASH, I KEEP IT IN GOOD CONDITION, I'M A GOOD NEIGHBOR, AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE LEARNED THAT I'M A BAD NEIGHBOR AND DON'T BELONG HERE.

I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE WISE FOR THE CITY, AS SOME OF YOU HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED, TO KEEP OFFICE ZONING ON THE SQUARE.

AND I THINK IT'D BE ODD FOR GARLAND TO BE THE ONLY CITY OF ITS SIZE TO ELIMINATE OFFICES.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER LUCHT, WOULD YOU BE, SIR, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO IMPROVE THE ESTHETICS OF YOUR FACADE? AND IN YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY ARE TRYING TO RENOVATE THE SQUARE.

[INAUDIBLE] ASK YOU TO BE MORE SPECIFIC.

THAT'S PROBABLY FOR ANOTHER VENUE.

WE'RE DISCUSSING USES AND WE CAN TALK TO HIM LATER ABOUT IMPROVING BECAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY WANTS EVERYTHING IMPROVED ALONG THE SQUARE.

I HAVE MADE FOUR CHANGES AT THE CITY'S REQUEST OVER THE YEARS I'VE BEEN THERE.

SO IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THE FIFTH ONE, YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT IT IS THE CITY WANTS THIS TIME. I HEAR YOU.

THANK YOU, NEW PEOPLE COME IN AND THINK THEY HAVE GREAT IDEAS AND WE PAY FOR IT AND A NEW GROUP COMES IN, AND A NEW GROUP COMES IN.

THANK YOU, LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU WANT.

WELL I'VE SERVED ON A NUMBER OF DOWNTOWN COMMITTEES AND DO WE AWNINGS, DO WE NOT DO AWNINGS, DO WE DO AWNINGS, DO WE NOT DO AWNINGS? THAT'S BEEN BACK AND FORTH.

[INAUDIBLE] YEAH, WELL, WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING DOWN THERE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. STAFFORD? THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN.

THANK YOU. NEXT, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JUSTIN STAFFORD.

WONDER IF HE'S ANY RELATION.

HAD TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO UNMUTE, [INAUDIBLE] CHAIR COMMISSION, COMMISSIONERS 505 WEST STATE STREET, AND IF I'D KNOWN THIS WAS A PARKING ISSUE IN FRONT OF OUR OFFICE, THERE'S

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ABOUT 10 CARS PARKED DAILY THAT ARE CITY EMPLOYEES OR RESIDENTS OF THE APARTMENTS ABOVE THE OFFICE. YOU KNOW, IF THE CITY TAKES CARE OF THEIR OWN PARKING PROBLEM, MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF EVERYBODY ELSE.

ANYWAYS, NINE DAYS AGO THAT THE CITY WALKED INTO OUR OFFICE AND HANDED US THE FORM AND SAID THERE'S GOING TO BE A HEARING TO CHANGE YOUR ZONING, BUT DON'T WORRY, IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT YOU. AND, YOU KNOW, I FOLLOW ZONING CASES AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY SIGNS POSTED AROUND THE SQUARE THAT GIVES A HEADS UP OR ANYTHING POSTED, WHICH TYPICALLY HAPPENS.

BUT THE NEW ZONING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED DOES NOT ALLOW MANY THINGS, INCLUDING OFFICES, WHICH WE'VE HAD FOR LONGER THAN I'VE BEEN ALIVE.

AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I'VE WORKED IN OVER ONE HUNDRED FIFTY DOWNTOWNS THROUGHOUT TEXAS IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S NOT A RESTAURANT, THERE'S MAYBE STILL A BARBER SHOP, NOT A BARBER SHOP, A BANK, IF NOT A BANK, A FARM BUREAU, IF NOT A FARM BUREAU AND EVERYTHING'S BOARDED UP, THEY'RE STILL IN OFFICE.

SO IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT, WE'RE TARGETED IN THE FUTURE.

NOW, THE CITY HAS TOLD US, WELL, DON'T WORRY, IF YOU MOVE OUT, YOU STILL HAVE SIX MONTHS TO REPLACE IT WITH THE OFFICE.

YOU WON'T BE NONCONFORMING UNLESS IT GOES AFTER SIX MONTHS.

AND THEY'VE TOLD US WE'LL JUST KEEP A DESK AND COMPUTER IN THERE.

I DIDN'T APPRECIATE THEM TELLING US TO BE DISHONEST, TO TRY AND GET BY ZONING.

I ALSO ASK THE CITY IF THEY COULD BEFORE THIS MEETING, INCLUDE OFFICE AND THEY SAID NO, IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS TO ADD IT TO MAKE THE CHANGE, MAKE THE PROPOSAL THAT THE CITY HAD NO INPUT OR ABILITY TO CHANGE IT AHEAD OF TIME, WHICH I TYPICALLY THINK THE CITY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT.

SO I HAVEN'T MET A PERSON ON THE SQUARE, A BUSINESS OWNER OR A BUILDING OWNER, THAT FOR THE ZONING I DON'T KNOW WHAT BACKROOM IS DECIDING THIS OR WROTE IT UP, BUT THERE'S NO ONE ON THE SQUARE THAT SAID, YES, I'M FOR IT.

WE'RE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SPEECHES, BUT I THINK MOST OF THE 16 WE'RE ALL GOING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.

SO THAT SHOULD LET MEAN LISTEN TO US, THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE STAKEHOLDERS STAND.

BUT IF YOU DO GO AHEAD AND PASS IT, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU DO INCLUDE OFFICE SPACE AND NOT EVEN PUT AN SUP OFFICE SPACE BECAUSE THAT STILL DECREASES OUR LAND VALUE AND MY THOUGHT IS, WHAT IF, MY GRANDFATHER WORKED IN THIS OFFICE, MY DAD WORKED IN THIS OFFICE I WORK IN THIS OFFICE. WHAT IF 30 YEARS FROM NOW MY SON IS A GEOLOGIST, BUT THE CURRENT MAYOR'S AGAINST OIL AND GAS AND SAYS NO TO THAT SUP.

SO WE JUST IT TAKES AWAY CONTROL FROM US.

IT'S A LITTLE OVERREACHING, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

AGAIN WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT AND WE DO LISTEN TO IT, AND I'M PRETTY CERTAIN COUNCIL WILL BE LISTENING TO IT TOO. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN.

I SEE NO QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

AND TRACEY, NEXT ONE PLEASE, NEXT SPEAKER IS CRAIG WILSON.

ALRIGHT, NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

MY NAME IS CRAIG WILSON, I RESIDE AT 9102 ROYAL BURGESS DRIVE IN ROWLETT, TEXAS.

I'M ACTUALLY HERE JUST IN SUPPORT OF MY PASTOR WHO IS ABOUT TO SPEAK.

I'M THE TEACHING PASTOR AT LIFEWELL CHURCH, THE CHURCH THAT'S BEING REFERENCED QUITE A BIT THIS EVENING. AND I'M JUST I'M HERE AS IS HERE, JUST TO SUPPORT WHAT HE HAS TO SAY AND WHAT THE OTHERS HAVE SAID SO FAR.

I WILL SAY THAT EVEN THOUGH I RESIDE IN ROWLETT NOW, THAT I WAS A TEACHER IN GARLAND ISD FOR 16 YEARS AND LIVED IN GARLAND FOR THIRTY EIGHT YEARS OF MY LIFE.

SO IT'S A BIG PART OF MY FAMILY AND I THINK THE PROPOSAL THAT THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED, ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND IT, I DO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS BEING PROPOSED BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE FOR THE CITY TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SPEAKING TONIGHT THAT REPRESENT MANY FACETS OF GARLAND IN THIS COMMUNITY, COMES FROM DIFFERENT WALKS OF LIFE, BUT ARE UNIFIED IN OPPOSING THIS, I THINK WOULD BE VERY WISE.

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SO THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY.

I'M REALLY JUST HERE TO TO LISTEN AND TO SUPPORT MY PASTOR HERE IN A MOMENT.

THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS DARRELL HALL.

YES, SIR, HOW ARE YOU ALL DOING TODAY? WE'RE DOING OK. YEAH.

JUST WANTED TO CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY COULD HEAR ME.

I WENT A HEAD AND WROTE MY COMMENTS DOWN BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAYED UNDER THE THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT.

I WANT TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION FOR HAVING AN OPEN MEETING LIKE THIS AND PERMITTING US TO GIVE OUR INPUT BECAUSE THIS DOES SEEM RATHER PRECIPITATE.

IT HIT ME RATHER SUDDENLY.

LAST WEEK I WAS NOTIFIED BY ACTUALLY MY BROTHER PASTOR ACROSS THE STREET AT CRISTIANA DE FE WHO WAS CONCERNED THAT THIS MIGHT AFFECT THEIR BUILDING AND SAID, BROTHER, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THEY WANT TO GET RID OF US? AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON SO SUDDENLY WE GET A LETTER AND THEN THE OWNERS YOU SPOKE TO THE AGENTS FOR OUR LANDLORDS JUST A MOMENT AGO.

HE WAS THE FIRST ONE TO SPEAK, THOMAS BAILEY.

THEY DIDN'T EVEN GET THE LETTER UNTIL AFTER WE GOT THE LETTER.

SO HERE ARE MY COMMENTS.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE GETS AT THE HEART OF A VERY REAL DIFFERENCE IN PHILOSOPHY OF GOVERNMENT.

THE FOUNDERS OF THE UNITED STATES BELIEVE THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, ALL PEOPLE ARE CREATED EQUAL AND ARE ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN INALIENABLE RIGHTS.

AMONG THESE ARE LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.

SO I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD THAT FROM THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.

YET TODAY WE FIND THAT IN MANY GOVERNMENT, MANY IN GOVERNMENT BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE THE POWER TO GIVE CITIZENS RIGHTS OR DENIED THEM DEPENDING UPON THEIR AGENDA.

LET US BE VERY CLEAR, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, GOVERNMENT GETS ITS AUTHORITY FROM THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

AND I AM THANKFUL THAT YOU ALL HAVE CALLED FOR AN OPEN MEETING TO DISCUSS THE PRESENT ISSUE. SO HOPEFULLY OUR RIGHTS ARE STILL INTACT.

THE CURRENT EFFORT TO AMEND THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE ZONING REGULATIONS WOULD, BY FIAT, AMEND ZONING TO PROHIBIT CHURCHES FROM MEETING REGULARLY ON THE SQUARE UNLESS THEY OBTAIN CERTAIN PERMISSION FROM THE CITY BASED UPON SOME CHIT SYSTEM CALLED, QUOTE, LAND USE CREDITS, UNQUOTE, WHICH I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND AND HASN'T BEEN EXPLAINED YET.

WELL, ON WHAT BASIS THEN? ON WHAT STANDARD? IT'S SIMPLY WRONG. THOSE WHO OWN PROPERTY IN GARLAND HAVE THE RIGHT TO LEASE TO TENANTS THEY TRUST, NOT TO THOSE WHOM THE CITY GOVERNMENT DEEMS APPROPRIATE.

LIFEWELL CHURCH HAS BEEN IN DOWNTOWN GARLAND SINCE 2004.

WE WERE CALLED ZION BACK THEN, BUT I'VE BEEN THE PASTOR ALL ALONG.

WE CAME HERE BECAUSE I BELIEVE GOD WANTED US TO SERVE OUR CITIZENS FROM THIS AREA.

OUR SERVICE IS NEITHER POLITICALLY PARTISAN NOR RELIGIOUSLY SECTARIAN.

WE PROCLAIM THE GOOD NEWS OF JESUS TO EVERYONE.

WE WANT ALL PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO LIVE WELL.

WE HAD LONG ANTICIPATED POSITIVE CHANGES AND INCREASED TRAFFIC IN DOWNTOWN.

FINALLY, PROGRESS IS HAPPENING.

WE'RE GRATEFUL WE'RE READY TO SERVE.

WILL WE BE FORCED TO LEAVE NOW? WE SUBLET FROM THE GARLAND OPERA IN 2007 AND MADE THE FORMER HOME OF THE MASONS AND MCKNIGHT DRUGSTORE ON THE SQUARE AT SIXTH AND STATE OUR OWN IN 2009.

WE HAVE SERVED THE CITIZENS OF GARLAND AND SOUGHT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO ALL OF OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESS FRIENDS, DURING THAT TIME.

THERE ARE A FEW TENANTS WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE SQUARE LONGER, ALTHOUGH THE ATTORNEY WHO SPOKE TO YOU CERTAINLY HAS.

WE HELP THE HOMELESS, WE'RE INVOLVED IN EVENTS LIKE THE LABOR DAY PARADE AND CHRISTMAS ON THE SQUARE. WE COOPERATE WITH THE CITY IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY.

WE HAVE NEVER BEEN NEGATIVE OR TRIED TO STAND AGAINST DOWNTOWN PROGRESS AND POSITIVE CHANGE. IN FACT, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SPOKEN TO OPPOSE SOMETHING OUR CITY GOVERNMENT HAS PROPOSED.

HOPEFULLY YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHY LIFEWELL CHURCHES COMMITMENT TO THE CITIZENS OF GARLAND AND OUR CONSTANT COOPERATION WITH CITY GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT RATHER THAN DISCOUNTED BY THOSE WHO MAY HAVE A VARIETY OF MOTIVES FOR SEEING US LEAVE OUR HISTORIC BUILDING. I PROMISE YOU, WE DON'T PLAN ON GOING ANYWHERE UNTIL GOD WHO CALLED US TO DOWNTOWN GARLAND CLEARLY GIVES US ANOTHER MISSION AND ANOTHER BUILDING.

AND I DO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING THIS EVENING.

WELL THANK YOU FOR COMING ON, AND WE APPRECIATE IT, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, IT WOULD HAVE NO EFFECT ON YOUR RIGHTS IN SPACE DOWN THERE AT THE MOMENT.

AND IF YOU STAY IN THERE FOREVER, YOU CAN STAY THERE FOREVER.

SO, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

IF YOU GOT THAT IMPRESSION THAT YOU'RE BEING KICKED OUT, FROM WHAT I READ AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THAT WOULD NOT BE HAPPENING.

WELL, WE ARE DEFINITELY GETTING THE IMPRESSION THAT WE'RE NOT WANTED HERE.

WE'RE, YOU CLEARLY, VERY CLEARLY STATE CHURCHES, YOU DON'T WANT CHURCHES HERE AND I UNDERSTAND THE PARKING ISSUE.

YOU KNOW, MY QUESTION IS AND I WASN'T GOING TO BRING THIS IN, BUT PARKING IS GIVEN AS THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THIS.

ANY BUSINESS OR ORGANIZATION IN DOWNTOWN GARLAND RECOGNIZES WE NEED MORE PARKING.

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AND THIS IS SOMETHING THE CITY HAS NEVER SUCCESSFULLY SUPPLIED.

TWO PARKING GARAGES WERE BUILT ON THE FIFTH STREET CROSSING APARTMENTS PHASE ONE AND TWO WERE BUILT. WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT WOULD SUPPLY MORE PARKING.

IN MY EXPERIENCE, FEWER THAN 10 SPACES PER GARAGE AND OFTEN FEWER THAN THAT ARE AVAILABLE. THERE WAS ONCE FREE PARKING AVAILABLE IN THE DIRT LOT NEXT TO VISUAL AID VOLUNTEERS. NOW IT'S CHAINED OFF AND UNAVAILABLE.

HAS THE CITY OFFERED TO BUY THAT LOT AND PART OF IT, PAVE IT FOR PARKING? HAS THE CITY OFFERED TO BUY OTHER PROPERTY THAT WOULD SUPPLY PARKING? I'LL LEAVE YOU ALL TO ANSWER THAT AND DEBATE THOSE QUESTIONS.

THAT'S NOT MY PURPOSE HERE.

BUT IT SEEMS THAT THERE IS A BELIEF THAT PROHIBITING QUOTE UNQUOTE ASSEMBLIES IS THE ANSWER TO THE PARKING PROBLEM.

HOW ABOUT THE PLAZA THEATER? IF THERE'S NO PARKING AVAILABLE IN DOWNTOWN, IT IS OFTEN DUE TO A QUOTE UNQUOTE ASSEMBLY GOING ON THERE. IT SEATS THREE HUNDRED TWENTY FIVE PLUS AND THOSE FOLKS HAVE TO PARK SOMEWHERE. SO ARE YOU ALL GOING TO REGULATE THAT CITY OWN VENUE THE SAME WAY YOU PROPOSE TO REGULATE OTHER ASSEMBLIES? THE CITY REGULARLY SHUTS DOWN THE SQUARE AND LIMITS PARKING.

ARE YOU GOING TO REGULATE THAT AS WELL? LISTEN, I DON'T ADVOCATE LIMITING THE PLAZA.

WHY? FOR THE SAME REASON THAT I DON'T WANT YOU TO REGULATE OUR CHURCH OUT OF EXISTENCE WITH YOUR AMENDMENT. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASSEMBLE AND SO DO WE.

THIS IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT, BY THE WAY, GUARANTEED IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE HERE AND WE DO PROMOTE A VIBRANT, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED FAMILY ENVIRONMENT. YOU SHOULD LOOK AT A FEW OF THE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE GONE IN RECENTLY AND ASK YOURSELF IF THEY ARE PROMOTING A FAMILY ENVIRONMENT.

WE CERTAINLY BRING TRAFFIC DOWN HERE AND THE PEOPLE THAT COME TO OUR CHURCH GO AND THEY GO TO DOS BANDERAS AND THEY GO TO INTRINSIC AND THEY GO ACROSS THE STREET TO THE TAVERN ON OCCASION. WE'RE HERE ON MORE THAN JUST SUNDAY MORNING OCCASIONS AND WE DRIVE TRAFFIC DOWN HERE AND OUR PEOPLE PAY MONEY TO BE PART OF THOSE BUSINESSES.

IN FACT, RIGHT NEXT TO ME, THERE IS A FITNESS STUDIO THAT'S GOING IN AND I'M ENCOURAGING OUR LADIES IN PARTICULAR.

IT'S CALLED INTO THE WELL, AND THEY HAVE ALL KINDS OF OPPORTUNITIES.

I'M ENCOURAGING OUR LADIES IN PARTICULAR.

GO OVER THERE, GET UP THERE, LET'S GET INVOLVED.

THAT'S WHAT WE ALWAYS WANT TO DO.

WE WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN WHAT OUR CITY IS DOING.

WE DON'T WANT TO BE THOUGHT OF AS SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T DESERVE TO BE HERE.

WE DESERVE TO BE HERE AS MUCH AS ANY OTHER BUSINESS DESERVES TO BE HERE.

SO SORRY, THAT'S WAY OVER MY THREE MINUTES.

THAT'S NO PROBLEM, LOOK FORWARD TO YOU'VE BEING HERE A LONG, LONG, LONG TIME.

ALRIGHT, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS CARY HODSON.

LOOK, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES WE CAN HEAR YOU.

NAME AND ADDRESS, I FEEL LIKE A RADIO SHOW HOST.

REMEMBER WHEN THEY USED TO SAY NAME AND TOWN, AND AM I A WINNER? WHAT'S YOUR SONG REQUEST? YES, CARY HODSON,1219 SATURN SPRINGS, I OWN THE BUILDINGS AT 507 AND 509 WEST STATE STREET, KNOWN AS INTRINSIC AND OUR BEER GARDEN.

I SERVE ON THE [INAUDIBLE] BOARD, WHICH DOES NOT HAVE AS LONG A MEETINGS AS YOU GUYS BY THE WAY, I'M ALSO THE GARLAND DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION CHAIR.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER AND I DO APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE THAT ALSO PUT THE ZONING IN FRONT OF US TO TALK ABOUT.

I'M NOT SUSPECTING ANY PRIVATE AGENDAS, ET CETERA.

I KNOW THAT THE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION AND YOU KNOW DIRECT LIGHT OF THE SOURCE CLINIC POTENTIALLY BUYING THE GARLAND FRENCH BUILDING ASKED THAT WE LOOK AT ZONING TO IMPROVE IT IN A WAY THAT WAS MORE FRIENDLY TO ENTERTAINMENT AND DID NOT ALLOW SOME USES THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE INCREDIBLY DETRIMENTAL TO THE PROGRESS AND THE PUBLIC INVESTMENT OF THE GARLAND SQUARE.

BUT THAT BEING SAID, THE GDB HAS NOT FORMALLY DISCUSSED THIS ANNOUNCEMENT OR JUST AMENDMENTS.

WE DIDN'T RECEIVE IT FORMALLY AS A GROUP AND GIVEN THE TIMELINE, WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO REALLY DISCUSS IT. SO CERTAINLY THERE ARE BUSINESSES THAT SERVE ON THE BOARD AND ARE PART OF THE ORGANIZATION THAT MAY HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS, BUT I CAN'T REPRESENT THAT AS CHAIR BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT THEM.

PERSONALLY, AND I THINK WE DO NEED TO TARGET ENTERTAINMENT, BUT BE CAREFUL NOT TO RESTRICT ASSEMBLY AND OFFICE USES, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE UPSTAIRS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, AND WHEN WE'RE YOU KNOW I'M STILL CONFUSED ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PERFORMING ARTS, YES AND THEATER.

NO AND, YOU KNOW, WELL, WHAT IF THE PLAZA DID GO INTO PRIVATE HANDS AND WANT TO BE A

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RENEWED HISTORIC THEATER? I SEE THAT AS A POSITIVE.

I'M IN FAVOR OF THE SUP PROCESS, ACTUALLY.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD WAY TO PUMP THE BRAKES AND CONSIDER NEW IDEAS.

I TYPICALLY TRUST OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT MORE THAN BROADER GOVERNMENT.

I'D LIKE TO SEE ZONING CONSIDERED ACTUALLY FOR A LARGER AREA THAN THIS KIND OF CUT UP PIECE. MAYBE THAT'LL RUFFLE EVEN MORE FEATHERS AND IS MORE POSSIBLE, I'M NOT SURE, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO, QUOTE UNQUOTE PROTECT THE INVESTMENT ON THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, WHY NOT? THE ENTIRE IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT ALSO SAW IN THEIR FLEA MARKET.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S RELATED TO A CO OR TWO EVENTS, BUT MY FAMILY HAS HOSTED THE URBAN FLEA, NOW KNOWN AS THE URBAN MARKET, FOR SEVERAL YEARS ON THE SQUARE AND BROUGHT A LOT OF PEOPLE AND I THINK HELPED A LOT OF BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN, INCLUDING MY OWN.

DWELLINGS, CAN WE NOT HAVE AN APARTMENT UPSTAIRS? I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH THAT AT ALL, AND ANTIQUE STORES, WHY IN DOORS ONLY AND WHAT IS THAT CONSIDERED IF YOU PUT ONE RACK OF CLOTHING OUTSIDE OF A CLOTHING STORE THAT'S OK BUT IF YOU PUT YOU KNOW ONE YOU KNOW ANTIQUE OUTSIDE OF AN ANTIQUE STORE, IS THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN NOT OK? I'M JUST KIND OF CONFUSED. I THINK A LOT OF US ARE GETTING AT WE NEED TO SLOW DOWN A SECOND AND LOOK AND LOOK AT THIS.

BUT I ON THE OTHER HAND, I DO UNDERSTAND THE URGENCY, SOMEONE COMES IN WANTING TO PUT IN A CLINIC OR SOMETHING THAT GENERALLY THE PUBLIC WOULD DISAGREE WITH.

WE NEED TO BE PROACTIVE ABOUT ABOUT ZONING IN GENERAL.

BUT THAT PRETTY MUCH SUMS UP MY OPINION.

I KNOW THERE'S THERE'S BEEN A LOT TO DISCUSS, AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

NO, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND I THINK YOU ALSO WROTE IN BECAUSE I DID SEE SOMEBODY ELSE QUESTION THE BOUNDARY, WANTING TO EXPAND IT A LITTLE BIT.

THAT HASN'T COME UP HERE, DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BUT UNDERSTAND THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY QUESTIONS, MR. GARRETT, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. YOU KNOW SHORT TERM MEMORY MIGHT AS WELL ASK IT BEFORE WE GET A COUPLE OF OTHER PEOPLE DOWN THE ROAD.

HOW WOULD THIS POSSIBLY AFFECT EVENTS IN THE SQUARE IF WE HAD PEOPLE COME, VENDORS, CERTAIN DAYS ITS OUTSIDE STORAGE OF NEW OR USED? WOULD ANY OF THESE RESTRICTIONS AFFECT THE BUILDING? [INAUDIBLE] I SEE A NO HEAD SHAKING FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY? YEAH, I SEE THE SAME THING, I'M GOING TO FOLLOW HIS SHAKING THE HEAD.

NO I MEAN, THIS WOULD BE SPECIAL EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

OK [INAUDIBLE] BEYOND THAT INTERPRETATION OF REASONING.

FEEL FREE TO BUT NO SIR.

I FIGURED THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT YOU KNOW BY DOING THIS, WE WEREN'T RESTRICTING EVENTS IN THE SQUARE THAT DO BRING PEOPLE DOWN TO FREQUENT THE BUILDING.

OK, THANK YOU ALL RIGHT, TRACEY.

NEXT, WE HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKERS.

OK, SINCE WE HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKERS, UNLESS WE WANT TO HEAR A REBUTTAL FROM THE APPLICANT, I GUESS IT'S TO THE COMMISSION TO DISCUSS THEM.

COMMISSIONER DALTON EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE BEHIND THE CAMERA, I SAW SOME, A HAND RAISE THERE.

YES, SIR, THAT WAS ME.

I JUST WANT TO SAY, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE WENT THROUGH THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

WE SPENT MANY HOURS IN PUBLIC MEETINGS BEING BRIEFED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WE SPENT MANY HOURS BEING BRIEFED WITH CITY COUNCIL BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WE WENT THROUGH PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE TRIED EVERY WAY IN THE WORLD TO MAKE SURE WE DID THE BEST WE COULD IN PUTTING THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TOGETHER.

SHORTLY AFTER THAT, WE GET A REQUEST FROM BUSINESSES ON MAIN STREET, JUST OFF GARLAND AVENUE. IT HAD BEEN REZONED, AS RESIDENCES IN THE PROCESS CAUSING A PROBLEM OF THEM NOT BEING ABLE TO RUN THEIR BUSINESS ANY MORE FROM WHAT WAS FORMERLY A RESIDENCE AND WAS NOW A BUSINESS. WE KIND OF MESSED UP ON THAT A LITTLE BIT.

WE SURE DON'T WANT TO MESS UP ON THIS.

AND I'M AFRAID WITH WHAT I'M SEEING, WHAT I'M HEARING, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME EDITING DONE. AND MORE DISCUSSION OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE ALLOWED OR NOT ALLOWED AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE WORKED OUT IN THE DOWNTOWN SUB DISTRICTS, I'M JUST AFRAID OF TAKING ANY

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ACTION TONIGHT, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

ALRIGHT COMMISSIONER LUCHT, SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT HOW THE SIX MONTH THING WORKS, SO IF A, LET'S JUST SAY THE STANFORD LAW FIRM, IF THEY LEFT THE PREMISES FOR SIX MONTHS, THEN THEY COULDN'T COME BACK AND HAVE IT AS AN OFFICE.

IS THAT HOW THAT WORKS? OR WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO HAVE IT AS THIS THE ENTIRE TIME? I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW THE, I'M NOT REALLY SURE EXACTLY HOW THIS IS WORKING.

IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION AS WRITTEN NOW AND MADE OFFICE USE A NON CONFORMING USE AND THE GEC HANDLES NONCONFORMING USES A CERTAIN WAY.

ONE, IT'S THE ABANDONMENT OF THAT USE, AND SIX MONTHS IS A PRIMA FACIE CASE OR TO SHOW THAT A PARTICULAR LAND USES THE EVENT.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS, IS THAT WE CAN PROVE IF THE CITY COULD PROVE IMMEDIATE STANDARD OF PROOF THAT THEY'VE BEEN OUT OF BUSINESS FOR SIX MONTHS, THEN WE COULD SHOW THAT IT'S ABANDONMENT AND THEY WOULD LOSE THEIR NONCONFORMING STATUS.

THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THEY WOULD NO LONGER BE ABLE TO USE THAT BUILDING AS AN OFFICE IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN. THAT IS CORRECT.

BUT IF THEY MAINTAINED THE OFFICE SPACE, THEN THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO USE IT AS OFFICE SPACE AND I MEAN, FOR AS LONG AS THEY MAINTAINED IT THAT WAY, RIGHT? THAT'S TRUE, AS LONG AS THEY ARE MAINTAINED, AS AN OFFICE USED, THEY COULD BE ABLE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. BUT IT'S STILL, MR. STAFFORD BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT.

HE'S CORRECT THAT IT IS STILL DETRIMENTAL IN SOME WAYS TO A PROPERTY OWNER, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, IF THEY FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE NEXT DOOR APARTMENT COMPLEX AND OFFICE T[INAUDIBLE] CATCH FIRE TO DAMAGE THEIR BUILDING AND IT CAUSED 60 PERCENT DAMAGE ON THEIR BUILDING, THEN THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO REBUILD THAT BUILDING FOR AN OFFICE USE.

THEY ALSO WOULD HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH GETTING MONEY FOR LENDING IF THEY EVER WANT TO IMPROVE THE OFFICE, IMPROVE THE FACADE, IF THEY WANT TO GET A LOAN FOR THAT.

IF IT'S NON- CONFORMING USE, LENDERS CAN BE VERY HESITANT TO GIVE THEM A GOOD RATE, AT LEAST FOR THAT NON-CONFORMING USE.

SO IT ALSO COULD POTENTIALLY CAUSE INSURANCE RATES TO GO UP ONCE YOU THROW SOMETHING INTO A NON-CONFORMING USE.

I SEE, OK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER JENKINS, THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, TWO QUESTIONS.

FIRST QUESTION IS FOR MR. GUERIN. HOW DOES THIS CHANGE AFFECT THE PARKING ISSUE? DO WE SOLVE THE PARKING ISSUE BY MAKING THESE CHANGES? BUT I DON'T THINK YOU REALLY SOLVE AN ISSUE ENTIRELY THE DOWNTOWN PARKING ISSUES ARE VERY MUCH YOU KNOW PART OF THE CITY'S MAJOR RESPONSIBILITY.

AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, [INAUDIBLE] THE COMMITTEE, I MAY BE MIXING UP COMMITTEES, WE'VE NEVER [INAUDIBLE] FOR THIS, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOWNTOWN PARKING.

BUT THE USES IN THE CORE DOWNTOWN AREA DEPEND VERY, VERY HEAVILY ON STREET PARKING AND PUBLIC STREET PARKING. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SURFACE PARKING IN THE CORE DOWNTOWN AREA.

THAT'S VERY TYPICAL OF THE DOWNTOWNS.

SO WITH THAT, I THINK THE THOUGHT PROCESS FOR THE ASSEMBLY USES, AGAIN, AS MR. GUERIN MENTIONED EARLIER, IS KIND OF LUMPING THOSE.

I NOTICED ONE COMMENT THAT THEY HAD WAS GROUP GATHERINGS AT ONE TIME.

THOSE KIND OF HAVE THEIR OWN UNIQUE PARKING DEMANDS, SO.

I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT MEETING, THAT THERE WERE OPTIONS, THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT MEETING THE BUSINESSES COULD ADOPT.

BUT I'M NOT TRYING TO STRANGLE BUSINESSES.

IT'S NOT THE IDEA HERE. BUT YOU MENTIONED THINGS LIKE OFFSITE PARKING ARRANGEMENTS OR A FEE IN LIEU OF PARKING THOSE PARKING SPACES OR ARE THOSE HOW COULD THOSE BE INCORPORATED TO LESSEN THE IMPACT OF HAVING SOME OF THE POTENTIAL ASSEMBLY SPACES? WELL, I GUESS ONE THING I WILL SAY AND THE COMMITTEE ACTUALLY MOVED IT FORWARD EARLIER THIS EVENING, BUT I MENTIONED WE HAD A DOWNTOWN PARKING DISCUSSION AND SO THAT MAY BE COMING OR WILL BE COMING ON ONE OF YOUR FUTURE AGENDAS TO LOOK AT THAT ABOUT EASING, REALLY ELIMINATING THE OFF STREET OR IN OTHER WORDS ON SITE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND THE CORE DOWNTOWN AREA BECAUSE OF THIS VERY ISSUE, SOME NEW BUSINESSES HAVE RUN INTO THAT ISSUE. THE CODE KIND OF TRIES TO COUNT ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE AS DEPENDING ON WHAT'S

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BEEN THERE AND WHAT THE NEW CURRENT VERSUS NEW LAND USE OR EXCUSE ME, PARKING RATIOS ARE BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S GOING TO BE A FUTURE ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA.

[INAUDIBLE] OK, WE WILL LEAVE FOR THEN, THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION, LAST QUESTION.

ALTERNATIVE TO THE OCCUPANCY AS AGGREGATE OCCUPANCY APPROACH THAT WE TAKEN REGARDING LAND USE CREDITS. CAN WE JUST DO SUP'S AND CALL IT A DAY? I WILL ADDRESS THAT MR. CHAIRMAN, THE CONCERN THAT AS THE LEGAL CONCERN WITH SUP'S WHEN IT COMES TO ANY PROTECTIVE USE AND ALTHOUGH ASSEMBLIES WOULD ALL BE TREATED THE SAME.

THE CONCERN I HAVE WITH SUP'S IS THAT AT THAT POINT, IT BECOMES YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF HAVING POLITICS TO COME INTO PLAY ABOUT PARTICULAR NEEDS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE PROTECTED. AND SPECIFICALLY, ALTHOUGH MOST OF THE USES UNDER THE ASSEMBLY USE ARE NOT PROTECTED, WE KNOW RELIGIOUS USE IS PROTECTED, THEIRS HAS CERTAIN PROTECTIONS AND THAT MAIN PROTECTION BEING THAT IT'S NOT TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN ANY OTHER USE.

SO MY FEAR ON THAT IS HAVING A FUTURE COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE PLAN COMMISSION TREAT A RELIGIOUS USE DIFFERENTLY THAN IT MIGHT BY DENYING AN SUP THAT IT MIGHT NOT TREAT ANOTHER ASSEMBLY USE AS SOME KIND OF SOCIAL SERVICE OR SOME JUST REGULAR THEATRE.

THEY MAY ALLOW A THEATRE TO COME IN, BUT THEN THE NEXT MONTH A CHURCH WANTS TO COME IN BY SUP AND THEY DENY THAT.

THAT WOULD EXPOSE THE CITY TO LITIGATION AT THAT POINT.

THANK YOU. OK, SO YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE A BLANKET, A BROAD CATEGORY VERSUS INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATIONS? BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THE POLICY DECISIONS, THE PUBLIC POLICY DECISIONS THAT OUR COUNSEL MAKES ARE CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD FOR THOSE TYPES OF USES AND THAT ONE PARTICULAR USE ISN'T DISCRIMINATED AGAINST JUST BECAUSE FOR WHATEVER REASON, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ALL TREATED EQUALLY.

OK, WELL, TO THE DOWNTOWN PARKING, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER I'VE SERVED ON A NUMBER OF COMMITTEES DOWNTOWN.

YOU MAY WANT TO GO TO THE BOOKSHELVES AND PULL SOME OF THOSE OLD REPORTS OUT, BECAUSE I THINK IN ONE OR TWO OF THEM WE DID ADDRESS DOWNTOWN PARKING.

THERE MAY BE SOME IDEAS THAT ARE WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION.

I'M NOT CERTAIN BECAUSE THERE SHOULD BE A SHELF ABOUT THAT LONG WITH REPORTS FOR DOWNTOWN GARLAND. I'M READY, DO I SEE ANY OTHER HANDS GOING UP ? OK, COMMISSIONER JENKINS, MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS AND A STATEMENT BY COMMISSIONER PARRIS.

PLEASE VOTE TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

AND THAT APPEARS TO BE UNANIMOUS.

WE'RE INTO DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER JENKINS, THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, ON THIS PLAN ORIGINALLY, I BELIEVE THE IDEA WAS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE CITY HAVE REGARDING MOVING FORWARD, BOTH IN TERMS OF THE PARKING THAT MR. GUERIN HAS INDICATED AND IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL VISION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY MENTIONED AS WELL. SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PLAN SEEKS TO ACCOMPLISH.

I DO AGREE WITH THE CHAIRMAN'S EARLIER STATEMENT THAT PERHAPS SOME, I THINK IT WAS THE CHAIRMAN, PERHAPS IT WAS COMMISSIONER DALTON, THE EARLIER STATEMENT THAT WE REALLY SHOULD INCLUDE A LOT OF BUSINESSES IN THE CONVERSATION PRIOR TO MAKING ANY SORT OF FINAL DECISIONS IF WE NEEDED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT MOVING THIS FORWARD.

THE I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE REACH A CONCLUSION THAT CULTURAL FACILITIES ARE NOT ASSEMBLY HALLS OR ASSEMBLY PLACES WHEN THOSE PLACES CAN BE USED.

THOSE PLACES, AS I SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED.

I CAN'T IN GOOD CONSCIENCE JUST SAY, HEY, AS IT IS, THIS IS OK.

WE HAVE TO GO PIECEMEAL, IDENTIFYING INDIVIDUAL THINGS THAT WE'D BE WILLING TO CONSIDER.

AND I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE GOT THAT SPACE, SO.

ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER ROSE, I STILL WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE US TO POSTPONE ANY KIND OF DECISION UNTIL OUR FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER WITH THE CONDITION THAT WE TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN IN OUR SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST AND HAVE IT THE FIRST ITEM OF

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THAT MEETING SO THAT THE SIX OR EIGHT PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK TONIGHT HAD TO GO AWAY FOR SOME PARTICULAR REASON.

WE NEED AND THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION WAS NOT CONSULTED WITH PRIOR TO MAKING THIS RECOMMENDATION.

I JUST THINK IT'S GOING WRONG WAY.

AND I JUST THINK WE OUGHT TO POSTPONE IT UNTIL OUR FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER WITH THE CONDITION THAT WE TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN AT OUR SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST.

WITH IT BEING THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

TYPICALLY WOULD BE IF IT'S A POSTPONE ITEM, IT GOES TO THE TOP OF THE AGENDA, COMMISSIONER OTT AND COMMISSIONER LUCHT.

THINK COMMISSIONER LUCHT, CAME FIRST [INAUDIBLE] ALL RIGHT, WELL I'LL GO AHEAD AND JUMP IN THERE. OK, HERE'S, WITHOUT HAVING OFFICE SPACES BEING DESIGNATED IS ALLOWABLE, I DON'T SEE THIS AS SOMETHING THAT I CAN SUPPORT.

I THINK THAT WE DO NEED TO, THAT LEAVES A HUGE SWATH, ALSO FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS WE GOT A LARGE BANK THAT'S ON THE CORNER.

THOSE TWO, I REALLY FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT BOTH OF THOSE.

BUT I DO ALSO UNDERSTAND WHAT COMMISSIONER ROSE IS SAYING THAT WE SHOULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT SLOWER ROLE AND OPEN UP THE DIALOG WITH THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION.

OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVEN'T HAD THEIR SAY IN IT.

AND EVEN IF WE GET TO THE SAME LOCATION, AT LEAST WE'VE GOTTEN THERE TOGETHER.

AND SO I REALLY THINK THAT WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO TAKE A LITTLE MORE TIME, WHATEVER THAT IS, THE NEXT MEETING OR THE FOLLOWING, THAT WE THAT IF THAT GIVES AN ALLOWABLE AMOUNT OF TIME FOR THAT GROUP TO GET TOGETHER AND MULL OVER WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED TONIGHT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD COURSE OF ACTION FOR US, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.

COMMISSIONER LUCHT, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER OTT AND COMMISSIONER ROSE, I THINK THAT THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION SHOULD HAVE DEFINITELY BEEN TALKED TO BEFORE ALL OF THIS OCCURRED. I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY SECOND FLOOR OFFICE USAGE ISN'T ALLOWED AT ALL.

I MEAN, THAT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT'S YOU HAVE RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM, RETAIL OR ENTERTAINMENT, WHATEVER AND THEN ON THE TOP, YOU CAN KIND OF DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.

IT JUST MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THEIR BUILDINGS AS THEY SEE FIT.

I ALSO, I DON'T THINK THAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO MAKE CHURCHES LEAVE THE DOWNTOWN AREA, AND I REALLY WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO FEEL MORE SECURE AND THAT THEY ARE WANTED THERE OR THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING PRECLUDED FROM ANY OF THIS.

SO I REALLY FEEL THAT THIS SHOULD BE POSTPONED ALSO AND THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO TALK TONIGHT, FOR WHATEVER REASON, COULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK AGAIN.

OK, ANY OTHER INPUT.

I'M HEARING A LITTLE BIT OF A CONSENSUS THAT OFFICES, WE SHOULDN'T BE CREATING ANY LEGAL NONCONFORMING USERS NO MATTER WHAT, I'M HEARING THAT.

AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BY USING THE CREDITS WE'RE NOT CREATING A LEGAL NON-CONFORMING USE AS IT IS TOTALLY LEGAL CONFORM AND USE FOR ANY ASSEMBLY IN THAT AREA, AND A GOAL APPEARS TO BE NOT TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF ASSEMBLY TO AGGRAVATE AN ALREADY BAD PARKING SITUATION.

AND I ALSO HEAR A CONSENSUS OF MAYBE POSTPONING IT IF WE DO THAT, I WOULD SUGGEST A TWO WEEK POSTPONEMENT FOR US TO HEAR IT AGAIN, BUT ALSO MAKE IT AN ACTION ITEM AND IF WE FEEL IT'S STILL NOT READY FOR PRIMETIME, WE CAN POSTPONE IT AGAIN.

BUT IF WILL AND STAFF CAN ARRANGE WITHIN THE NEXT BEFORE THE 30TH TO MEET WITH THE DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION AND DO IT THAT WAY YOU KNOW THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TOO.

[INAUDIBLE] CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? JUST AS I'M [INAUDIBLE] AS WE APPROACH THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION WITHOUT TAKING A

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FORMAL VOTE, YEA OR NAY. IF YOU ALL COME UP WITH A CONSENSUS THAT THE CITY COULD TAKE TO THEM AND SAY THE PLAN COMMISSION HEARD THE COMMITTEE, THE CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION AND THAT AND BY CONSENSUS, NOT BY FINAL VOTE OR RECOMMENDATION, BUT BY CONSENSUS. THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGREED THAT THESE USES HERE SHOULD BE SUP, THEY SHOULD BE INCLUDED AS ALLOWED USES.

AND SO THERE WERE FOUR OR FIVE USERS THAT WERE PRETTY CLEAR THAT EVERYBODY HAS BEEN IN AGREEMENT HAVING ISSUES WITH.

SO IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A CONSENSUS FROM YOU ALL THAT WE COULD TAKE TO THEM, IT WOULD BE GIVING THEM SOMETHING TO HELP FRAME THE CONVERSATION WITH THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. JUST A SUGGESTION.

NO, THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE, ALREADY COMING HALFWAY, IF NOT BETTER, TO WHAT, THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION, YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T BE A MOTION FROM US, BUT WHEN STAFF MEETS WITH THEM AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IF I SHOWED UP TOO AND TELL THEM THIS IS WHERE WE WERE HEADING, BUT I'M HERE TO HEAR WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO SAY.

SO, COMMISSIONER OTT DID YOUR HAND GO UP AGAIN? OK, I SEE A HAND OVER THERE IN THE CORNER, COMMISSIONER ROSE, IT JUST MOVED AGAIN.

WHERE DID YOU GO? YOU'RE BEHIND MY CAMERA.

OH I'M BEHIND THE CAMERA? YEAH, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE DO A POSTPONEMENT WITH THESE CONDITIONS TO THE ENTIRE COUNCIL OR THE SUBCOMMITTEE? NO WE WILL BE GOING BACK TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE.

IT'S OUT OF THE COMMITTEE HANDS, WHAT I'M SUGGESTING, IS THAT Y'ALL NOT DO ANY KIND OF FINAL RECOMMENDATION AT ALL TONIGHT.

BUT YOU ALL COME UP WITH A CONSENSUS THAT THE CITY STAFF CAN TAKE TO THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION AND SAY A PRELIMINARY HEARING WAS HEARD BY PLAN COMMISSION BY CONSENSUS, BUT NOT MY RECOMMENDATION.

THEY BELIEVE THAT THESE TYPES OF USES SHOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT, THEY SHOULD BE BY SUP.

AND BECAUSE THERE WERE FOUR OR FIVE THERE'S REALLY FOUR OR FIVE USES THAT WERE REALLY PROBLEMATIC TONIGHT THAT BEING OFFICE, FINANCIAL INSTITUTION, THERE WAS A COUPLE OF OTHERS, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP [INAUDIBLE] MEDIA CENTER, IN ESSENCE WE WOULD BE DOING THE SAME THING THE COUNCIL DOES DURING WORK SESSION, GO AROUND RIGHT [INAUDIBLE] CONSENSUS THAT WHEN WE'RE IN FAVOR OF IT, LET'S BRING IT FORWARD TO COUNCIL FOR OFFICIAL [INAUDIBLE] AND SO I WANT YOU MR. CHAIR IF THAT OVERALL, THAT SCHEME OVERALL WORKS FOR THE COMMISSION, THEN WHAT YOU CAN DO IS JUST TAKE EACH ONE OF THOSE AND JUST GIVE THE THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN TO EACH ONE.

AND THAT WILL CAN TAKE SOMETHING WITH HIM AS HE TALKS WITH THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION AND PRESENT THAT AS THIS IS INITIALLY THIS IS WHERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION SITS THERE AND THAT WAY THEY SEE US COMING TO THEM AT LEAST MEETING THEM HALFWAY A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.

TWO, SINCE IT IS AN ACTION ITEM I WOULD STILL NEED TO GET A MOTION TO POSTPONE FOR TO A SET DATE, WHICH MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE AUGUST 30TH.

MAYBE WE CAN GET IT WRAPPED UP BY THEN MAYBE WE CANT, BUT IT GIVES US THE NEXT SHOT AT IT. COMMISSIONER ROSE, I SO MOVE.

OK, BEFORE WE DO THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO GET THE CONSENSUS ITEMS UP, OK, AS TO USES, KIND OF UNDERNEATH OUR BELT HERE, SO TO SPEAK.

LET ME HEAR FROM ANYBODY ON ANY SPECIFIC ISSUES, ANY SPECIFIC USES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE, COMMISSIONER PARISH, UP THERE IN THE CORNER BEHIND THE ARM HOLDING MY CAMERA.

NO PROBLEM, I WAS I WAS TRYING TO GET IN BEFORE A MOTION WAS ABOUT TO GO INTO PLAY.

I THINK ONE OTHER COMPONENT TO ADD IS CONSISTENCY OF WHAT WE'RE COMMUNICATING AS ASSEMBLY. I THINK WHAT WAS POINTED OUT MAYBE BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS EARLIER, OR IT MAY BE SOMEONE ELSE BUT PERFORMING ARTS VERSUS ASSEMBLY.

RIGHT, SO BUT IT'S ON THE LIST AS A PROPOSAL ALLOWED USE.

SO I THINK IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THINGS FOR CONSIDERATION, ALSO INCLUDE CLARITY OF WHAT WE ARE IDENTIFYING AS ASSEMBLY.

AND IT SHOULD BE CONSISTENT ACROSS AND FOR THE REASONS WHY OR WHY NOT.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M HAVING AN ISSUE WITH, IS THE CONSISTENCY OF WHAT WE'RE IDENTIFYING AS ASSEMBLY AND THEN WHAT WE'RE SAYING YES OR NO TO IN TERMS OF PROPOSALS.

SO I WOULD LIKE THAT INCLUDED AS WELL.

I THINK WE CAN DO THAT.

HAVE TO MAKE THAT VERY, COME BACK WITH KIND OF A CLARITY REPORT ON THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ASSEMBLY WAS TO BREAKOFF BETWEEN PERFORMANCE OF ASSEMBLY AND HALL ASSEMBLY.

HALL ASSEMBLY HAS THE CONNOTATION OF A CERTAIN NUMBER OR CERTAIN SIZE, RIGHT AND WE NEED

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TO CLARIFY THAT, RIGHT.

LIKE WHAT'S THE CRITERIA THAT SAYS THIS IS A? THANK YOU.

YEAH MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST REAL SHORTLY, WHAT MAY HAVE BEEN LOOKED AT WAS THE STUDIO, [INAUDIBLE] FITNESS FOR PERFORMING ARTS.

THAT'S KIND OF THROUGH YOUR DANCE STUDIO, BALLET STUDIO, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, ZUMBA.

SO THE GDC KIND OF CLASSIFIES THAT AS A BELOW FIVE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

I CAN CERTAINLY DOUBLE CHECK THAT AS WE LOOK INTO THAT FURTHER.

BUT JUST KIND OF AN INITIAL OBSERVATION THERE THAT I THINK THAT WAS INTENDED FOR SMALLER SCALE STUDIOS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT YOU DO SOMETIMES FIND DOWNTOWN, A YOGA STUDIO, YEAH.

SO BUT WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK AND REVIEW ALL THAT CERTAINLY, BUT.

IS THERE IS A CONSENT TO SIGN COMMISSIONER PARISH'S REQUEST FOR THAT CLARIFICATION? OK BOY, WE'RE LIKE A COUNCIL WORK SESSION NOW.

HERE WE GO, I SAW COMMISSIONER LUCHT'S HAND GO UP AND THEN COMMISSIONER DALTON OR YEAH COMMISSIONER LUCHT, THEN COMMISSIONER ROSE, YEAH, OK GO AHEAD. HOW MUCH FREE SPACE IS THERE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA? IS THIS AIMED AT CLEARING UP SPACE SO THAT ENTERTAINMENT TYPE VENUES CAN GO IN? I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY THE RESTRICTIONS ARE SO STRICT? IS, THERE NOT A LOT OF I UNDERSTAND THERE'S PROBABLY LIMITED SPACE.

IT'S A SMALL AREA. BUT HOW MUCH FREE SPACE IS THERE EXISTING NOW? THERE'S NO FREE SPACE.

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, I WOULD BE, GO AHEAD.

I THINK THERE ARE SOME EMPTY SPACES.

I WALKED THE DOWNTOWN JUST AROUND THE SQUARE, AND THERE WERE SOME EMPTY STOREFRONTS.

BUT I DON'T THINK THE GOAL OF THIS IS TO CHANNEL ONE KIND OF USE INTO IT AND RIP ANOTHER ONE OUT. IT'S JUST LET'S KIND OF GET THINGS UNDER CONTROL KIND OF STUFF.

OK, THANK YOU.

YEAH SURE, COMMISSIONER ROSE, I WOULD ASK THAT WE INCLUDE OFFICE USE AS THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN.

BY SUP OR BY RIGHT COMMISSIONER ROSE? BY RIGHT, OK.

THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION YOU BEAT ME TO IT, BY RIGHT.

OK, OFFICE USE, WOULD YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND ADD BANK USE IN ON THAT ONE TOO? SURE, OFFICE AND BANK TOGETHER.

DO I SEE A CONSENSUS OF HAVING OFFICE AND BANK BY RIGHT? I SEE, OK, I SEE A CONSENSUS ABOUT, NO [INAUDIBLE] YEAH, AND I'D INCLUDE A BUSINESS AND MEDIA SERVICE.

WILL, IF YOU COULD MAYBE COLLABORATE ON A BUSINESS VIDEO SERVICE.

SURE, TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT MISCONSTRUING IT.

SURE, LET ME PULL UP THAT DEFINITION.

BUSINESS AND MEDIA SERVICE.

IT DOES SAY BUSINESS AND MEDIA SERVICE, I THINK WAS THE CATEGORY.

YES, HERE'S THE DEFINITION.

I'LL JUST KIND OF READ THE DEFINITION STRAIGHT FROM THE CODE.

IT'S CLASSIFIED AS AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT PROVIDES BUSINESS RELATED SERVICES NOT OTHERWISE LISTED HERE IN AS A SPECIFIC USE.

THE TERM INCLUDES SERVICES SUCH AS RETAIL OR SMALL SCALE PRINT AND COPY SHOPS, PRIVATE MAIL AND SHIPPING SERVICES, OFFICE EQUIPMENT SALES, REPAIR SERVICE SHOPS WITH A MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OF FIVE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

IF IT'S OVER FIVE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, THAT GETS INTO DIFFERENT USE, WHICH IS A PRINTING PUBLISHING HOUSE, SO.

OK, I'LL LEAVE THAT OPEN AS TO ANYBODY WANT TO INCLUDE IT [INAUDIBLE] OR WHATEVER, OR NOT. OK, WE'LL LEAVE THAT ONE OFF FOR NOW.

WERE THERE ANY OTHER USES WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO LET THE DOWNTOWN MERCHANTS AND LANDOWNERS KNOW THAT WE WERE DEFINITELY PUSHING FOR ? COMMISSIONER ROSE, DID WE ALREADY TALK ABOUT ASSEMBLY HALLS/CHURCHES? SLASH CHURCHES, IT'S NOT SLASH CHURCHES. IT'S JUST PART OF THE CATCH ALL OF ASSEMBLY HALLS AND THAT'S ONE BIG CATEGORY BUT ASSEMBLY HALLS WOULD INCLUDE A CHURCH.

YEAH ALONG WITH SEVERAL OTHERS USES THAT DOES INCLUDE THE CHURCH.

WELL, I THINK WE OUGHT TO LET THE STAFF WORK WITH THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION TO

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SEE IF THAT'S A VIABLE USE FOR THE SQUARE.

Y'ALL HAVE DIRECTION ON WHICH WAY, ANY CONSENSUS ON WHICH WAY Y'ALL WANT TO GO WITH ASSEMBLY HALLS, IF NOT WE CAN JUST GO AND JUST LEAVE IT AS IT CAME OUT OF COMMITTEE.

MAKE IT A DISCUSSION ITEM WITH THEM.

WELL,[INAUDIBLE] I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE PLAN ANYWAY, AS A DISCUSSION ITEM.

COMMISSIONER JENKINS, COMMISSIONER PARISH SAID IT WELL, THERE HAS TO BE CONSISTENCY AND CLARITY REGARDING THAT DESIGNATION.

SCHOOLS CAN BE CONSIDERED TO BE ASSEMBLY HALLS OR THE USE OF THE SCHOOL.

THERE'S A LOT THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE UNPACKED.

SO MY QUESTION IS ACTUALLY, HOW DO WE COME UP WITH I THINK WE HAVE MR. HOBSON COME ON AND SAY THAT THEIR GROUP HAD THEIR INTERNAL GROUP HAVE COME AND MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. AND HOW DO WE COME TO THIS ASSESSMENT THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US THIS EVENING? AND THAT KIND OF BRINGS INTO QUESTION SOME THINGS I HAD.

YOU'VE GOT A RESTAURANT THAT MAY WANT TO RENT OUT THEIR WHOLE RESTAURANT, DOES THAT BECOME A TEMPORARY ASSEMBLY HALL OR AND SOME OF THIS NEEDS SOME CLARIFICATION.

ASSEMBLY HALL, CAN IT BE A SECONDARY USE? AND, YEAH, CAN SOMEBODY RENT AN EXISTING SPACE FOR A SINGLE ASSEMBLY LIKE A RESTAURANT OR A MEETING ROOM? YES, AND I THINK THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CLARIFICATIONS.

AND MAYBE IF IT CAN BE PUT DOWN IN BULLET POINTS SO PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND.

COMMISSIONER JENKINS, TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS REZONING, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT FROM THE DSC COMMITTEE, WAS THE PARKING, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE TO MAKE IT A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THERE MIGHT, IF THERE IS A GRANDER VISION AND THE VISION NEEDS TO BE EXPRESSED.

IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A DISCONNECT THAT WE GOT, YOU KNOW I THINK COMMISSIONER ROSE SAID IT, THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE OR THE HORSE BEFORE THE CART, WHATEVER MAKES SENSE THERE.

BUT THAT IF IT IS TO MAKE IT A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THEN HAVING A NEAR 100 YEAR OLD OFFICE WOULD MAKE PERFECT SENSE.

SO THAT I CAN THE CLARITY THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL IF THE BUSINESS INTEREST IS THAT THEY DESIRE TO SEE THE ZONING BE APPROPRIATE FOR CERTAIN SPECIFIC USES.

I KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD THE MEDICAL PLAN RECENTLY THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

WE NEED A MEDICAL DISTRICT IN THE CITY, BUT THERE'S A DISCONNECT THAT JUST HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED. SO ANY CLARITY THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE REGARDING WHAT THEIR VISION IS FOR DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN OUR DETERMINATION OF ACCEPTABLE USES OF LAND, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. I'LL JUST SAY THIS, [INAUDIBLE] CAN CORRECT ME.

THE HISTORIC ASPECT OF IT HAS NOT BEEN A CONSIDERATION UNTIL TONIGHT THAT'S THE FIRST THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IN ANY OF THE MEETINGS OR CONVERSATIONS I HAVE.

SO THAT'S NEVER BEEN PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

FOR MANY REASONS, I CAN THINK OF LEGALLY IN REGARD TO THE SECONDARY USES AND ASSEMBLY HALLS. YES, YOU COULD STILL HAVE AN ASSEMBLY OF THAT ASSEMBLY AS A SECONDARY USE.

THAT DOESN'T CONVERT THE PRIMARY INTO AN ASSEMBLY HALL.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE LITTLE HOUSE THAT HAS A STAGE, IT IS STILL PRIMARILY, THE CO IS FOR A RESTAURANT.

AND JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE SECONDARY USE OF PERFORMANCE IN THE BACK, THAT DOESN'T CONVERT IT TO AN ASSEMBLY HALL. THE SAME GOES FOR YOU KNOW THE TAVERN ON THE CORNER.

THEY OCCASIONALLY HAVE BANDS THAT COME IN AND PLAY THERE.

THE SAME WITH INTRINSIC, I MEAN INTRINSIC HAS A SPACE IN THE BEER GARDEN WHERE BANDS PLAY THAT DOES NOT CONVERT IT TO AN ASSEMBLY HALL BECAUSE THAT'S A SECONDARY USE.

WE HAVE THAT IN OTHER CONTEXTS THROUGHOUT OUR GDC IN OUR LAND USE MATRIX WHERE JUST BECAUSE OF SECONDARY USE OCCURS THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT MAKE THE ENTIRE USE INTO THAT DOESN'T TRANSFER THAT ENTIRE USE INTO THAT PARTICULAR USE.

CERTAINLY AGREE WITH YOU.

IF THE CITY IS MAKING A SECULAR DESIGNATION OF A PARTICULAR SPACES, IF THE WHOLE IDEA OF, LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, WAS THAT WE NEEDED TO DO THIS BECAUSE THE PARKING WAS HORRID, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE A FAMILY FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT THAT WAS PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.

I MEAN, THE SECULAR REASONING MADE SENSE THERE.

IT WAS THE DETERMINATION OF THE ASSEMBLY HALLS THAT WAS KIND OF PUT IN QUESTION BECAUSE THERE WERE A BUNCH OF OTHER BUSINESSES, ORGANIZATIONS, ETC CETERA, THAT HAVE A SECONDARY USE. THAT IS THE PRIMARY USE FOR ALL THE ORGANIZATIONS WE JUST SAID CAN'T DO THE THING THAT BUT THEY'RE DOING.

AGAIN, SO CLARITY WOULD BE HELPFUL.

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UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE GOAL IS WOULD BE HELPFUL.

BUT THAT'S ALL. AGAIN, YES, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A WAY TO CLARIFY THAT IN WORDS.

AND I'M NOT SURE THE CLARITY YOU'RE SEEKING WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO EXPRESS IN A POLICY BECAUSE THAT POLICY COULD VERY WELL BE THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT ENUMERATIONS ON SECONDARY USES AND SOME USES, IT MAY NOT EVEN QUALIFY AS A SECONDARY USE, JUST SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS ON OCCASION.

AND SO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PUT THAT INTO WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IN THE WORDS, WE CAN CERTAINLY GIVE IT A SHOT, BUT I'M AFRAID IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SATISFACTORY TO, I'M SORRY I CAN'T HEAR YOU COMMISSIONER, YEAH I'M AFFIRMATIVELY AGREEING WITH YOU WITH AD NAUSEUM THUMBS UP AND THAT SORT OF THING.

OK, COMMISSIONER LUCHT I SAW YOUR HAND GO UP A HALF AN HOUR AGO OR SO, I THINK.

YEAH, I JUST I FEEL LIKE THE PARKING ISSUE IS A GUISE FOR THIS ISSUE.

AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE CLARITY.

WHAT DIRECTION ARE WE TRYING TO HEAD FOR THIS CHANGE? ARE WE GOING HISTORIC? ARE WE GOING LIKE DOWNTOWN ENTERTAINMENT? I DON'T THINK THAT PARKING IS REALLY THE BIG ISSUE, AND I KIND OF FEEL LIKE IT'S BEING SLIPPED IN JUST TO GET IT THROUGH.

THE SAME REASON THAT THE THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION WASN'T TALKED TO ABOUT THESE ISSUES BEFORE WE RECEIVE THEM.

I FEEL LIKE THEY ARE WELL.

I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THIS.

I DON'T WANT BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR OVER 40 YEARS TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING SHOVED OUT.

HOWEVER, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO REVITALIZE THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

IF THAT IS THE CASE, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE UNDER THE GUISE OF A PARKING SITUATION.

THEY NEED TO PRESENT IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY AND OFFER ALTERNATIVES FOR THOSE BUSINESSES WHO HAVE SPENT THAT MUCH TIME DOWNTOWN.

THANK YOU. AND I THINK IT'S CONSENSUS HERE THAT WE WANT TO SAVE THE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN DOWNTOWN AND MR. GUERIN, I HEARD YOU TALKING A LITTLE BIT AND WANT TO STUDY THE PARKING ISSUE MORE.

AND MAYBE I'M DESCRIBING THINGS THAT AREN'T REALLY HAPPENING.

BUT I KIND OF SEE THIS AS A TWO STEP PROCESS, ONE TO STOP THE POTENTIAL OF MORE OF A PROBLEM IMMEDIATELY AND THEN MAYBE IN FURTHER DETAIL, STUDY THE DOWNTOWN PARK AND MAYBE STUDY OTHER SPECIFIC USES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, MAYBE EVEN EXPAND IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS MAYBE A TWO PART PROCESS, TAKE CARE OF [INAUDIBLE] PROBLEMS AND THEN STUDY IT IN FURTHER DEPTH.

AM I GETTING THE GIST OF WHAT'S HAPPENING? BECAUSE I DIDN'T WATCH ANY OF THOSE MEETINGS.

I'VE GOT A LIFE. SO KEEP IN MIND, CHAIRMAN, THAT THE PARKING PROBLEM IS REALLY TWO PROBLEMS. THE PARKING PROBLEM IS A DEVELOPMENTAL PROBLEM IN THE SENSE THAT, AS IT CURRENTLY ARE, PARKING STANDARDS CURRENTLY SEVERELY RESTRICT WHAT CAN GO INTO A NEW BUSINESS AS IT OPENS UP.

IN FACT, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE IN SOME SITUATIONS TO GET ANY BUSINESS TO ACTUALLY QUALIFY UNDER CURRENT REGULATIONS.

SO YOU HAD YOUR DEVELOPMENT PARKING PROBLEM AND THEN YOU HAD YOUR REAL LIFE PARKING PROBLEM. AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM WHERE WHEN WE HAVE EVENTS, WHEN WE HAVE LARGE ASSEMBLIES MEETING ON THE SQUARE, THERE IS A PARKING PROBLEM ON THE SQUARE OF ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY PLACING THEM SOMEWHERE IN A COMFORTABLE WALKING DISTANCE WHERE PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE TO COME TO THE SQUARE WITHOUT FEELING LIKE THEY HAVE TO PARK A HALF MILE, THREE QUARTERS MILE AWAY TO ATTEND EVENTS ON THE SQUARE.

AND SO THOSE ARE THE TWO PARKING PROBLEMS IN THE END.

AND YOU REALLY CAN'T UNDERESTIMATE EITHER ONE OF THOSE.

BUT DEVELOPMENTALLY, THE PARKING PROBLEM HAS COME UP RECENTLY IN THE RECENT PAST.

AND IT WAS A REAL PROBLEM THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAD TO FIGHT THROUGH.

IT TOOK A GREAT, DEAL OF RESOURCES IN ORDER TO FIGURE IT OUT.

AND WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT PART.

AND THAT'S THE SECOND PART THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING TO Y'ALL HERE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

YEAH, YOU KNOW I TALKED ABOUT DESIGNING SECOND FLOORS OF SOME OF THE BUILDINGS, IT PROBABLY CAN'T BE DONE NOW BECAUSE OF THE PARKING RESTRICTIONS AND THE CITY NEEDS TO MAYBE LOOKING AT IDENTIFIABLE PROPERTIES THAT THEY NEED TO LANDBANK FOR PARKING PURPOSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S WHY I KIND OF CALL IT A TWO STAGE.

THERE'S SOME ACTION WE CAN TAKE RELATIVELY QUICKLY AND OTHERS IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE LONGER AND HOPEFULLY I'M READING IT RIGHT.

BUT [INAUDIBLE], COMMISSIONER ROSE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS

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THAT WE NEED TO SIGN BASED COMMITTEE TO SIT DOWN WITH THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS PEOPLE? WELL, I THINK WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, WHAT, TWO, MAYBE THREE? YEAH, THAT IT YEAH AND I WAS GOING TO COME BACK TO YOUR MOTION.

WE HAVE YOUR MOTION ON THE TABLE TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM UNTIL AUGUST 30TH? [INAUDIBLE] DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SAW COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS, YOU WERE FAST AGAIN. OK, A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ROSE IS SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM TO AUGUST 30TH.

AND ADDING TO THAT, LET EVERYBODY KNOW ABOUT THE DIRECTIONS WE NEED TO SEE COMING.

AND THAT INCLUDES THE DIRECTION TO CITY STAFF TO MEET WITH THE DOWNTOWN LANDOWNERS & ASSOCIATION. CAN WE NOT ALSO MAKE A PART OF THIS MOTION THAT THIS BE THE FIRST ITEM IN OUR AGENDA? IT'S A MATTER OF A PROCESS THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST ITEM.

WELL, THAT'S MISCELLANEOUS ITEM, BUT, I'M JUST SUGGESTING, HALF OF THE PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO TALK TONIGHT ARE GONE IF WE PUT IT BACK AT THE END AGAIN, IT'S REALLY UP TO THE CHAIRMAN, I HAVE VERY LITTLE POWER IN THIS THING.

BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS I DO HAVE, IS TO SET THE AGENDA, WILL MAKE IT THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU.

YES, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR.

ALL RIGHT, THIS IS THE LONGEST MEETING WE'VE HAD IN A WHILE ALL ALONG, MAYBE EXCEPT FOR THAT HALF A YEAR OR TWO MINUTE MEETINGS.

ALRIGHTY, ITEM THREE B IS CONSIDERED RESCHEDULING SEPTEMBER 13, OCTOBER 11 AND NOVEMBER 9TH AND DECEMBER 13TH MEETING OF THE PLAN COMMISSION.

I ALMOST MADE YOU A COMMISSIONER AGAIN, I MADE THE ATTORNEY A COMMISSIONER, I TRIED TO MAKE YOU A COMMISSIONER, MR. GUERIN, GO AHEAD.

MR. CHAIRMAN I SAW THAT COMMISSIONER ROSE HAS HIS HAND UP, YOU WANT ME TO GO FIRST.

I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A MOTION CHANGE THE MEETING DATES.

OK, WELL, THAT'S EASY, BUT NO I CAN EXPLAIN THAT, YEAH MR. CHAIRMAN, WE JUST TO AVOID IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE FOUR MORE PLAN COMMISSION DATES THIS CALENDAR YEAR THROUGH THE END OF 2021, WHERE THEY FALL ON THE SAME NIGHT AS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION. THAT CAN OFTENTIMES BE PROBLEMATIC.

WE CAN'T BE TELEVISED.

RIGHT NOW, THE COUNCIL IS STILL MEETING IN THE CHAMBERS AS WELL FOR WORK SESSIONS.

SO THAT CREATED SOME LOGISTICAL ISSUES WHERE THEY NEEDED TO STAY IN THE CHAMBERS.

WE ARE HAVING TO MOVE TO THE DUCKWORTH BUILDING, BUT THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE ALL THE AUDIOVISUAL EQUIPMENT THERE.

SO JUST SOME LOGISTICAL ISSUES.

AND SOMETIMES IT CAN BE PROBLEMATIC HAVING AT THE SAME TIME.

AND SOMETIMES I'M ASKED TO BE TWO PLACES AT ONCE IN ADDITION TO ALL THAT SO THAT CAN CREATE AN ADDITIONAL CHALLENGE.

SO JUST A SUGGESTION TO THE COMMISSION IF WE WANT TO CONSIDER KEEPING THE MEETINGS ON THE SAME WEEKS, IF WE CHANGE IT TO THE WEDNESDAY AT THE SAME WEEK, THE FOLLOWING TUESDAY IS THE CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING.

BUT IF WE CHANGE IT TO THOSE WEDNESDAY.

SEPTEMBER 13TH INSTEAD OF 15.

OCTOBER 11 INSTEAD OF THE 13TH, THAT'S STILL JUST BARELY KEEPS US IN THE 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK. THAT'S ACTUALLY EXACTLY 30 DAYS FROM THE APPLICATIONS [INAUBIBLE] DATE.

SO THAT THAT'S A SUGGESTION TO CONSIDER.

THIS ONLY HAS TO HAPPEN A COUPLE OF TIMES A YEAR AND WITH IT HAPPENING MULTIPLE TIMES AND I THINK CITY COUNCIL POLICIES, THEY ACTUALLY THINK ENOUGH OF US, THEY THINK THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE US, TOO, WHEN WE'RE ON.

SO I THINK THAT IS PART OF THE DRIVING FORCE ON THIS.

NOW, MY QUESTION TO THE COMMISSIONER, IS WEDNESDAY A BAD DAY? YES, AND COMMISSIONER PARISH? YES, IT IS FOR ME.

I TEACH ON THOSE DAYS.

SO I WOULD LIKE IT TO STAY ON A MONDAY AND THOSE MONDAYS ARE BLOCKED FOR PLAN COMMISSION ACTIVITY. SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION FOR IT TO STAY ON A MONDAY.

WHICH WHICH WEDNESDAY WERE YOU PROPOSING? THE FIRST, SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH,[INAUDIBLE] SO THIS WOULD STAY ON EITHER THE SECOND OR FOURTH. SO CURRENTLY WE'RE ON THE SECOND AND FOURTH MONDAYS OF EACH MONTH.

WE HAVE, I AM AVAILABLE THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH FOR FOUNDATIONS.

OK, WELL, THE SPECIFIC DATES ARE SEPTEMBER 13TH IS A PLAN COMMISSION MEETING.

THE SUGGESTION THERE IS TO MOVE THAT TO THE 15TH, OCTOBER 11TH IS A DATE.

THE SUGGESTION WAS TO MOVE THAT TO THE 13TH.

MOVE NOVEMBER 8TH TO THE 10TH AND THEN MOVE DECEMBER 13TH TO THE 15TH, THOSE ARE ALL

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MONDAYS WHERE THERE'S A CONFLICT.

SO JUST WANTED TO BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC ON THAT.

AND COMMISSIONER LUCHT YOU SAID YOU WOULD OR WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE ON SOME OF THOSE OR THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH I HAVE A FOUNDATION MEETING FOR THE GARLAND PARKS FOUNDATION.

OK, SO IT WOULD BE THE FIFTH.

OK, THAT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE ALL OF YOUR WEDNESDAYS, THE FIRST WEDNESDAY OF EACH MONTH.

SO WE WOULD BE DOWN TWO COMMISSIONERS DUE TO PREVIOUS COMMITMENTS.

QUESTION.

YES. WHAT WOULD BE THE THE THE ISSUE OR CONCERN WITH IT BEING ON SEPTEMBER 20TH, I KNOW THE 13TH, THE 6TH IS A LABOR DAY, AND THEN MY UNDERSTANDING THE 13TH, IT WOULD BE COUNCIL MEETING.

SO WHAT IS THE ISSUE WITH MONDAY, THE 20TH? THERE AND WILL AND MR. ENGLAND CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

THE STATE TWO YEARS AGO PUT APPLICATIONS ON FOR SAKE OF A BETTER TERM, A SHOT CLOCK.

IF SOMEBODY SUBMITS AN APPLICATION WE AS COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO HEAR AND APPROVE OR DENY WITHIN A 30 DAY PERIOD OF THEIR APPLICATION.

AND THEY HAVE TO CALCULATE IT AHEAD OF TIME NOTIFICATION TO EVERYBODY AND THEN IT HAS TO GO TO COUNCIL. AND SO THEY'RE JUGGLING THOSE DATES TOO.

AM I CORRECT ON THAT? FOR INSTANCE, IF IT WERE HELD A WEEK LATER, WOULD THAT SCREW UP THE SHOT CLOCK? RIGHT. THE PROBLEM IS YOU HAVE MOVING IT A WEEK LATER GETS YOU OUTSIDE OF 30 DAYS, MOVING OUR SUBMITTAL CALENDAR DATES CAN BE A LITTLE TRICKY AS WELL AS ITS DEVELOPERS A LOT OF TIMES BY THIS POINT, THEY COME IN FOR PRE SUBMITTALS.

THEY'VE GOT THEIR DATES SET.

WHERE THEY ARE TRYING TO GET IN ON A CERTAIN DATE.

SO IT KIND OF COMPLICATES A LITTLE BIT WHAT WE HAVE TO ADJUST ALL OF THE.

IT'S KIND OF WORKING BACKWARDS.

YOU CHANGE ONE THING TO KIND OF CHANGE EVERYTHING.

SO I WOULDN'T ADJUST IT.

OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WOULD GOING AND I'M JUST TOSSING THIS OUT.

WE'RE GOING TO THE THURSDAY AFTER WOULD BE AN ISSUE TO.

NOT FOR ME.

OK. YEAH, WE COULD CONSIDER THURSDAY.

I THINK WE MAY NEED TO IF WE'RE ABLE TO.

WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CALENDAR.

MAYBE WE CAN STAFF CAN LOOK AT AND CONFIRM.

BUT WE MAY HAVE TO BUMP UP OUR SUBMITTAL DATES JUST IF IT'S JUST MOVING IT A DAY LATER OR SOMETHING I DON'T THINK THAT WILL PRESENT ANY ISSUES WITH DEVELOPERS OR APPLICANTS JUST TO STAY WITHIN THAT 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK IN CASE WE DO GET ANY 30 DAY APPLICATIONS.

INSTEAD OF HASHING THIS OUT, BECAUSE I CAN SEE IT COULD TAKE FOREVER BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT YOUR CALENDAR TO LOOK AT AND EVERYTHING.

AND ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT ON WEDNESDAY [INAUDIBLE].

THAT WOULD PUT US TWO COMMISSIONERS DOWN TWO OR THREE ARE SICK WE WOULD RUN INTO A QUORUM ISSUE. COMMISSIONER ROSE.

WHY ARE WE WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT MAKING A CHANGE? BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO ZOOM.

WHY CAN'T WE HAVE IT ON THE DATE THAT'S PRESCRIBED? WE JUST ZOOM THOSE NIGHTS.

YEP. WELL, AND IT WOULD BE RECORDED LIKE TONIGHT [INAUDIBLE] AND THAT IS AN OPTION.

MR. ENGLAND. THE REASON IT CANNOT BE ON ZOOM IS BECAUSE THE PROVISION, THE EXECUTIVE ORDER OF [INAUDIBLE] THAT SUSPENDED THE LOCAL THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT AFTER SEPTEMBER ONE.

AND SO WE DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY UNDER STATE LAW TO MEET BY ZOOM AFTER SEPTEMBER ONE UNLESS THE GOVERNOR PASSES ANOTHER EXECUTIVE ORDER FURTHER SUSPENDING THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

WE'RE INTO LEGALITIES THERE. SO WHAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST IS THAT ONE, WE EITHER FIND A PLACE TO MEET ON THOSE SAME DAYS, WHICH IS A PAIN IN THE BUTT FOR STAFF OR WILL IN THE NEXT WEEK BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING.

IF YOU WANT TO LAY OUT OPEN DATES, OK, AND MR. ENGLAND ON THIS WOULD HE BE ALLOWED TO SUBMIT OPEN DATES TO US AND HAVE US VOTE ON THEM IN AN EMAIL? AND IF SOMETHING WORKS AND THEN SET THE DATE OR IS THAT A VIOLATION OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT? IT'S A ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS Y'ALL AREN'T TAKING FORMAL ACTION.

AND SO HE'S JUST TRYING TO GET YOUR SCHEDULE SO THAT WOULD BE OK IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT SOME DATES JUST TO GET A SCHEDULE FOR YOU ALL THAT WORKS BEST FOR THE COMMISSION.

AND IT IS IMPORTANT.

IT'S DIFFICULT AT THE SAME TIME FOR ALL THE COMMISSIONERS TO CONTRIBUTE HERE AND THAT NONE ARE LEFT OUT. AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.

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ALL RIGHT. SO AND WHAT I WAS THINKING, OK, IF THE THURSDAYS WORK, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WE CAN PROBABLY FIND A WAY TO MEET ON MONDAYS.

IT'S NOT IDEAL.

BUT IF THERE'S SOME ALTERNATE DAYS WHERE WE CAN MEET THAT WORKS WITH EVERYBODY AND WORKS WITH THE SHOT CLOCK THAT'S AVAILABLE, FINE.

IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WE CAN GO BACK AND WE MEET IN THE DUCKWORTH BUILDING AND PUT IT ON VIDEO AND POST IT LATER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION NOW IS LET'S SEE IF THERE'S ALTERNATIVES, IF NOT NOW, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION HAS TO AGREE ON AS A WHOLE BECAUSE WE'RE ALL OK WITH MONDAY NO MATTER WHERE WE HAVE TO MEET.

IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT CAN I MAKE AN EXECUTIVE DECISION TO GO BACK TO MONDAYS.

IS THAT AN ADMINISTRATIVE THING THAT WE CAN DO THAT WAY.

OK, SHAKING OF HEADS.

IS THAT OK WITH YOU ALL? IF WE TRY TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WORKS OUT, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST GO WITH THE THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN. WE'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT SIX MINUTES BEFORE THE MEETING WHERE WE'RE MEETING.

[LAUGHTER] IT WAS KIND OF LIKE THIS WEEK WHEN WE WERE GOING TO MEET IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND THEN THE WORK SESSION IN THE DUCKWORTH BUILDING AND HERE WE ARE ON ZOOM.

IT'S A PARKING LOT.

IT'S LIFE AS WE KNOW IT TODAY.

OK, I THINK WE'VE GOT A DIRECTION ON THAT.

DIDN'T TURN OUT TO BE QUITE AS SHORT AS YOU THOUGHT COMMISSIONER ROSE.

EVERYBODY NEEDED THAT POTTY BREAK.

ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.

NO. UNTIL YES.

UNTIL OUR MEETING ON AUGUST 30TH, WHICH AS OF NOW WILL BE A ZOOM MEETING.

WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.