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WELL, GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2001 REGULAR MEETING OF THE GARLAND CITY COUNCIL. IT IS THE CUSTOM AND TRADITION OF THIS COUNCIL TO HAVE AN INVOCATION AND RECITAL OF THE PLEDGE PRIOR TO OUR MEETINGS, LED BY ONE OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS.

YOU ARE WELCOME TO JOIN US, BUT IT IS YOUR CHOICE AND YOUR DECISIONS WILL NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE DECISIONS WE MAKE HERE THIS EVENING AND TONIGHT.

WE WILL BE LED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS FROM DISTRICT TWO, AND IF I COULD ASK YOU TO REMAIN STANDING AFTERWARDS, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. PLEASE JOIN ME IN PRAYER IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

[INVOCATION] HEAVENLY FATHER, WE OFFER.

THANKS FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE BLESSED US WITH THE BEAUTY OF CREATION, THE BEAUTY OF LIFE, THE HAVEN OF FRIENDS AND FAMILY, THE DAILY JOYS WE FIND IN SIMPLE THINGS.

WE ASK FOR WISDOM FOR ALL THOSE IN AUTHORITY IN OUR NATION AND OUR STATE AND OUR COUNTY, AND RIGHT HERE IN OUR CITY.

WE ASK YOU TO DEFEND OUR DEFENDERS, BOTH OUR FIRST RESPONDERS HERE AND OUR MILITARY SERVICE SERVING ABROAD.

MOST OF ALL, WE ASK YOU TO BRING TRUE PEACE SHALOM TO OUR CITY AND THESE UGLY AND DIVISIVE TIMES, AND TO SHOW US HOW TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE GARLAND TRULY FLOURISH.

WE ASK THESE THINGS IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.

AMEN.

AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I JUST WANTED TO ASK THAT THAT THE COUNCIL AND THE GATHERED TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE IN MEMORY OF TWO FALLEN OFFICERS, FIRST OFFICER RODNEY LERMA, WHO DIED ON THIS DAY IN THE LINE OF DUTY FOR THE GARLAND POLICE DEPARTMENT 23 YEARS AGO.

AND THEN ALSO FOR LIEUTENANT ERNEST OLDHAM OF THE PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHO WAS A GARLAND POLICE OFFICER IN THE 80S AND 90S, WHO DIED OF COVID 19 ON SEPTEMBER 16TH.

AND ASK THAT YOU KEEP IN YOUR PRAYERS.

HIS WIFE, WHO MY UNDERSTANDING IS HOSPITALIZED ALONG WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY WITH COVID 19 AND HIS TWO YOUNG CHILDREN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND I'D JUST ADD THAT I'D ENCOURAGE EVERYONE WHO'S WATCHING WATCHING THIS TO GET VACCINATED.

COVID 19 IS THE LEADING LEADING CAUSE THE MAJORITY CAUSE OF LINE OF DUTY DEATHS OF POLICE OFFICERS IN 2020 AND IN 2021.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

[Mayoral Proclamations, Recognitions and Announcements]

WE DO HAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR THIS EVENING.

THIS IS IN HONOR OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME JOIN ME, PLEASE? HOW ARE YOU? GOOD, HOW ARE YOU? VERY GOOD. SO THIS IS IN HONOR OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH.

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN AMERICA IS INTOLERABLE, UNACCEPTABLE AND MUST BE STOPPED AND DESERVES CONSIDERABLE PUBLIC ATTENTION.

CHILDREN WHO WITNESSED DOMESTIC VIOLENCE OFTEN GROW UP BELIEVING THAT PHYSICAL CRUELTY IN RELATIONSHIPS IS ACCEPTABLE IS ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR, AND THUS THEY TEND TO PERPETRATE THE CYCLE OF VIOLENCE IN SOCIETY.

WHEREAS MANY FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL PROGRAMS ADDRESSING THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PROBLEM HAVE ACHIEVED SUCCESS, BRINGING GREATER SAFETY TO FAMILIES.

AND WHEREAS COMMUNITY LEADERS, POLICE JUDGES, ADVOCATES, HEALTH CARE WORKERS AND CONCERNED AMERICANS ARE WORKING TOGETHER ACROSS AMERICA TO DEVELOP SOLUTIONS TO THE SERIOUS PROBLEM AND TO IMPLEMENT SERVICES AND WILL THAT WILL IMPROVE OUR RESPONSES WHEN IT OCCURS. PROGRAMS DESIGNED TO EDUCATE MEN AND WOMEN ABOUT THE WAYS THAT THEY CAN HELP PREVENT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ARE BEING DEVELOPED ACROSS OUR NATION.

AND WHEREAS NUMEROUS LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS AND DEPARTMENTS HAVE CREATED SPECIALIZED DOMESTIC VIOLENCE UNITS THAT COOPERATE WITH COMMUNITY ADVOCATES TO ENHANCE SERVICES FOR VICTIMS. AND WHEREAS ANYONE CAN BE A VICTIM OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, REGARDLESS OF AGE, SEX,

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ETHNICITY, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS OR RELIGION, WHEREAS WE MUST CONTINUE TO HOLD DOMESTIC ABUSERS ACCOUNTABLE, PUNISH THEM TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW AND PREVENT THEM FROM INFLICTING MORE ABUSE.

NOW, THEREFORE, I BE IT RESOLVED THAT I SCOTT LEMAY, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS, ALONG WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER AS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH IN THE CITY OF GARLAND AND CALL ON ALL CITIZENS TO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS EVENT. MA'AM, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK YOU TO THE CITY OF GARLAND AND THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR ALLOWING US TO DO THIS PROCLAMATION.

OCTOBER IS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH, AND IT'S ALWAYS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THIS CAUSE AND TO HEIGHTEN EVERYONE'S AWARENESS, YOU KNOW, FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS.

GARLAND HAS BEEN A STRONG SUPPORTER AND COMMUNITY PARTNER, AND OF COURSE, WE COULDN'T DO THIS WORK FOR FAMILY VIOLENCE VICTIMS WITHOUT THE CITIZENS OF GARLAND AND THE CITY OF GARLAND. AND, YOU KNOW, 24/7 WERE ANSWERING THE HOTLINE AND OPERATING AN EMERGENCY SHELTER RIGHT HERE IN GARLAND.

SO I HOPE IF YOU DON'T, NO MORE NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT US.

PLEASE CONNECT WITH [INAUDIBLE] NEW BEGINNINGS, AND I'D LOVE TO TALK TO YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THAT'S FOR YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE DO HAVE ONE OTHER ACKNOWLEDGMENT THIS EVENING, IF YOU FOR OUR OUR FAITHFUL VIEWERS, YOU MAY RECALL LAST WEEK ON TUESDAY WE WERE MEETING AND THERE WAS AN EMPTY SEAT OVER HERE IN DISTRICT SEVEN FOR GOOD REASON.

MAYOR PRO TEM HEDRICK AND HIS WIFE KATIE, WERE BUSY AT THE HOSPITAL AND I GUESS VERY, VERY LATE THAT NIGHT, VERY EARLY.

THE NEXT MORNING, THEY WELCOMED TYLER JASON HEDRICK TO THE WORLD AT SEVEN POUNDS AND TWO OUNCES. I BELIEVE AT LITTLE AFTER TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND SORT OF ON THE FLY.

I GAVE HIM THE TITLE OF BABY PRO TEM AND OUR STAFF, AND COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO COMMEMORATE THAT. WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE OUR NAMES UP HERE, SO MAYOR PRO TEM I'M SURE THAT WE'LL GO WITH [INAUDIBLE] AND WE JUST WANT TO WISH YOU AND YOUR WIFE, KATIE, CONGRATULATIONS, AND I UNDERSTAND FROM YOU THAT HIS TWO OLDER SISTERS ARE NOW VYING FOR TITLES AS WELL, WHICH I WILL SEND THAT TO COMMITTEE. I THINK ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES COMMITTEE CAN PROBABLY WORK THROUGH SOME PROTOCOLS FOR THAT THEY WOULD LIKE.

BIG SISTER PRO TEM AND DEPUTY BIG SISTER PRO TEM.

BUT THAT'S UP FOR COUNCIL TO DECIDE [LAUGHTER] I THINK THAT WORKS REALLY.

THAT SHOULD MAKE THE COMMITTEE'S JOB JUST A LITTLE BIT EASIER.

BUT AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD, WELL, IT'S IT'S GOOD TO HAVE, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THINGS TO CELEBRATE, SO VERY GOOD WITH THAT.

WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH OUR AGENDA.

[Consent Agenda]

THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

AND I WILL READ THROUGH THE AGENDA AND GIVE GIVE MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE OR THE COUNCIL THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AN ITEM PULLED AND CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.

ALL ITEMS UNDER THIS SECTION ARE CONSIDERED ALL ARE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY A SINGLE MOTION OF COUNCIL WITHOUT DISCUSSION, COUNCIL HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW EACH OF THE ITEMS AT A PREVIOUS WORK SESSION, AND APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AUTHORIZES THE CITY MANAGER TO IMPLEMENT EACH ITEM.

AGAIN, I'LL ANNOUNCE THE ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER 1 CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE SEPTEMBER 14, 2021 REGULAR MEETING . ITEM 2 CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING BIDS.

ITEM 2A SAND FILTER MOTOR AND STRAINER REPLACEMENT AT BRADFORD POOL.

ITEM 2B PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT PROGRAM CONSTRUCTION.

ITEM 2C ROSEHILL ROAD STREETSCAPE.

ITEM 2D BOB TOWN ROAD.

WATERHOUSE BOULEVARD.

SOUTH COUNTRY CLUB ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.

ITEM 2E CORE HUMAN RESOURCES, PAYROLL AND FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

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ITEM 2F FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE LAND ACQUISITION SERVICES.

ITEM 2G IMPLEMENTATION SERVICES FOR CORE HUMAN RESOURCES, PAYROLL AND FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

AND ITEM 2H TRAFFIC SIGNAL CABINETS.

ITEM 3 PUBLIC HEARINGS WERE PREVIOUSLY CONDUCTED FOR THE FOLLOWING ZONING CASES.

COUNCIL APPROVED THE REQUEST AND INSTRUCTED STAFF TO BRING FORTH THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCES FOR CONSIDERATION.

ITEM 3A ZONING FILE NUMBER Z 20-44 FOR CCM ENGINEERING IN DISTRICT THREE, AND ITEM 3B ZONING FILE NUMBER Z 21-13, CODY DIXON IN DISTRICT ONE.

ITEM 4 CONSIDER BY MINUTE ACTION, APPROVING A REQUEST FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TO REDISTRIBUTE SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS IN ESG-CV FUNDING FROM THE GARLAND HOUSING AGENCY'S HOMELESS PREVENTION RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM TO THE TRANSCEND STEM RAPID REHOUSING HOMELESS ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

ITEM 5 CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION SELECTIVE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM SINGLE YEAR 2022 COMPREHENSIVE GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY FIVE THOUSAND TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS AND EIGHTY EIGHT CENTS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

ITEM 6 CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION AND ACCEPTANCE OF AN APPLICATION TO THE BUREAU OF JUSTICE ASSISTANCE FOR GRANT UNDER THE 2021 EDWARD BYRNE MEMORIAL JUSTICE GRANT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

AND FINALLY, NUMBER 7, CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING AN AMENDMENT TO THE 2021 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET CIP.

2021 CIP BUDGET AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE, PROVIDING FOR THE SETTLEMENT SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS IN THE PARK LAND ACQUISITION PROGRAM AND THE STREET TRANSPORTATION, OPERATIONAL AND SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM, PROVIDING FOR A SAVINGS CLAUSE AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. MY MASK IS FOGGING UP MY GLASSES AND MAKING IT DIFFICULT FOR ME TO READ [INAUDIBLE] THIS EVENING.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN ITEM PULLED AND CONSIDERED SEPARATELY? SEEING NONE. I MOVED TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL LADY MORRIS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED AND THE SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER VERA.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU COULD PREPARE THE VOTE FOR US, PLEASE.

AND DISPLAY THE VOTE, THAT ITEM IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.

THIS WILL MOVE US ON TO OUR ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.

MADAM SECRETARY, IF I COULD GET YOU TO REVIEW THE SPEAKER REGULATIONS.

YES, SIR. THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IS GIVEN TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY RATHER THAN TO QUESTION THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE STAFF.

THE CHAIR MAY CALL A SPEAKER OUT OF ORDER IF THE SPEAKER PRESENTS QUESTIONS OR REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION THAT WILL UNDULY DELAY THE TRANSACTION OF BUSINESS AT THE MEETING.

SPEAKERS APPEARING IN THE CHAMBER WILL SPEAK FIRST AND THE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS WILL FOLLOW.

SPEAKERS SHALL BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK ON A FIRST TO COME, FIRST TO SPEAK BASIS AS DETERMINED BY THE ORDER IN WHICH THE CITY SECRETARY RECEIVES THE SPEAKER'S INFORMATION FOR VIRTUAL SPEAKERS. PLEASE USE THE RAISE YOUR HAND FEATURE ON ZOOM.

IF YOU'RE DIALING IN FOR AUDIO, YOU MAY PRESS STAR NINE IN ORDER TO BE RECOGNIZED BY THE MODERATOR. ONCE THE LINE IS OPEN, THE SPEAKER MAY PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.

SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK WHEN THE PODIUM BUZZERS SOUNDS THE SPEAKER MUST END THEIR COMMENTS.

VIRTUAL SPEAKERS WILL BE INFORMED BY THE CLERK WHEN THEIR TIME HAS ELAPSED.

APPLICANTS WILL BE ALLOWED 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK.

AND WE HAVE SPEAKERS ON EACH ITEM TONIGHT, OR WHICH, YES MAYOR LEMAY, YOU HAVE ONE SPEAKER ON ITEM 10A, SAM MOORE AND ITEM 10 C TODD ERICKSON, ANDREW [INAUDIBLE].

OK, VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. THE FIRST ITEM UNDER INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ITEM 8.

[8. Consider a resolution of the City of Garland, Texas finding and determining that the public necessity and convenience require the acquisition of various property rights located between Brand Road and State Highway 78, in the City of Garland, Texas situated in the Naaman School Road Office Condos Addition, James Howard Survey, and Daniel Crist Survey in the City of Garland, County of Dallas, Texas, said property interests being more particularly described below; providing authorizations to acquire such property rights by purchase or condemnation and making certain finding pertaining thereto; providing further authorizations as may be necessary to carry out the purposes of this resolution; and providing an effective date.]

CONSIDER A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS, FINDING AND DETERMINING THAT THE PUBLIC NECESSITY AND CONVENIENCE REQUIRED THE ACQUISITION OF VARIOUS PROPERTY RIGHTS LOCATED BETWEEN BRAND ROAD AND STATE HIGHWAY 78 IN THE CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS, SITUATED IN THE NAAMAN SCHOOL ROAD OFFICE CONDOS ADDITION.

JAMES HOWARD SURVEY AND DANIEL CHRIS SURVEY IN THE CITY OF GARLAND COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS, SAID PROPERTY INTERESTS BEING MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED BELOW, PROVIDING

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AUTHORIZATIONS TO ACQUIRE SUCH PROPERTY RIGHTS BY PURCHASE OR CONDEMNATION AND MAKING CERTAIN FINDINGS PERTAINING THERETO.

PROVIDING FURTHER AUTHORIZATIONS AS MAY BE NECESSARY TO CARRY OUT THE PURPOSES OF THIS RESOLUTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH. I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THIS ONE.

YES, SIR, AND APOLOGIZE.

THIS WILL BE A VERY LENGTHY MOTION AND THE LANGUAGE IS MANDATED BY STATE LAW.

I MOVE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS, AUTHORIZE THE USE OF THE POWER OF EMINENT DOMAIN TO ACQUIRE THE FOLLOWING PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN THE JAMES HOWARD SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 542 CITY GARLAND DALLAS COUNTY, TEXAS 39 NAAMAN SCHOOL BEING A PORTION LOT ONE OF BLOCK ONE OF THE NAME OF SCHOOL ROAD OFFICE CONDOMINIUMS ADDITION.

IN ADDITION TO THE CITY OF GARLAND, DALLAS COUNTY, TEXAS, AS RECORDED IN VOLUME 2005, 108 PAGE 37 OF THE OFFICIAL PUBLIC RECORDS OF DALLAS COUNTY, TEXAS 38 NAAMAN SCHOOL BEING A PORTION OF A TRACT OF LAND CONVEYED BY SPECIAL WARRANTY [INAUDIBLE] CRUMP AND MARTHA K.

CRUMP, RECORDED IN VOLUME 91247 PAGE 595 OF THE DEED RECORDS OF DALLAS COUNTY, TEXAS.

3826 NAAMAN SCHOOL, BEING A PORTION OF A 0.95 ACRE TRACT OF LAND CONVEYED BY QUIT CLAIM DEED TO JOHN K COX, AS RECORDED IN INSTRUMENT NUMBER 2007, 046777 OF THE OFFICIAL PUBLIC RECORDS OF DALLAS COUNTY, TEXAS, AND BEING DESCRIBED IN VOLUME 2000, 2225 PAGE 10088 DEED RECORDS DALLAS COUNTY, TEXAS AND 3414 NAAMAN SCHOOL BEING A PORTION OF TRACT 14, PART OF THE JAMES HOWARD SURVEY AND THE DANIEL CHRIS SURVEY, IN ADDITION TO THE CITY OF GARLAND, DALLAS COUNTY, TEXAS, ACCORDING TO THE MAP THEREOF.

RECORDED IN VOLUME 7 PAGE 423 OF THE MAP RECORDS OF DALLAS COUNTY, TEXAS, AND 3301 NAAMAN SCHOOL BEING A PORTION OF A TRACT OF LAND LOCATED IN THE DANIEL CHRIS SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 226 DALLAS COUNTY, TEXAS AND BEING A PORTION OF A CALLED 7.518 ACRE TRACT OF LAND CONVEYED BY SPECIAL WARRANTY DEED TO HORTON ASSET COMPANY AS RECORDED IN VOLUME 2000043 PAGE 3418 OF THE OFFICIAL PUBLIC RECORDS OF DALLAS COUNTY, TEXAS, AND A CALLED ONE ACRE TRACT OF LAND CONVEYED BY BEST SPECIAL WARRANTY DEED TO HORTON ASSET CO., AS RECORDED IN VOLUME 2001078 PAGE 3167 OF THE OFFICIAL PUBLIC RECORDS OF DALLAS COUNTY, TEXAS, FOR THE EXPANSION OF AND CONSTRUCTION ON IMPROVEMENTS TO A CERTAIN PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY COMMONLY KNOWN AS NAAMAN'S [INAUDIBLE] ROAD.

MY MOTION INCLUDES APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION AND INTENDS THAT THE RECORD VOTE ON THIS MATTER APPLIES TO ALL UNITS OF PROPERTY TO BE CONDEMNED.

VERY GOOD, SIR. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH ON THIS ITEM AS PRESENTED WITH A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU COULD PREPARE THE VOTE FOR US, PLEASE AND COUNCIL AND DISPLAY THE VOTE AND THAT ITEM IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU, SIR. MOVING ON TO ITEM 9, CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS,

[9. Consider an ordinance of the City of Garland, Texas, establishing Civil Service Classifications within the Police and Fire Departments; prescribing the number of positions in each classification, prescribing the base salary and types of pay for those classifications; and providing an effective date.]

ESTABLISHING CIVIL SERVICE CLASSIFICATIONS WITHIN THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS, PRESCRIBING THE NUMBER OF POSITIONS IN EACH CLASSIFICATION.

PRESCRIBING THE BASE SALARY AND TYPES OF PAY FOR THOSE CLASSIFICATIONS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

[INAUDIBLE] THERE WE GO.

ALL RIGHT. IF THERE IS NO OTHER DISCUSSION ON COUNCIL, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING THE CIVIL SERVICE CLASSIFICATIONS AS PRESENTED.

VERY GOOD. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL LADY MORRIS TO APPROVE THIS ITEM, AS PRESENTED WITH A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH.

I DON'T SEE ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, MADAM SECRETARY.

AND COUNCIL. AND DISPLAY THE VOTE, PLEASE.

AND THAT ITEM IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU. NEXT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM 10, HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS.

[Items 10A & 10B]

WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ZONING CASES THIS EVENING THAT BOTH HAVE A COUPLE OF PARTS TO THEM.

SO ITEM 10A CONSIDER A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION REQUEST BY MMCG DBR DFW LLC FOR A DRIVE THRU RESTAURANT/COFFEE SHOP.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 5801 BROADWAY BOULEVARD IN DISTRICT FOUR.

THIS ITEM ALSO HAS A SECOND PART 10B CONSIDER A SITE PLAN.

SAME APPLICANT SAME ADDRESS MR. GUERIN YES SIR.

MAYOR COUNCIL GOOD EVENING! THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A DRIVE THRU COFFEE SHOP.

THE LOCATION IS 5801 BROADWAY BOULEVARD.

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THE ACREAGE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS A LITTLE OVER HALF AN ACRE AND THE CURRENT ZONING DESIGNATION IS COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT.

HERE'S THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT SITE INDICATED BY THE RED STAR IT IS IN SOUTH GARLAND AND THIS IS A MORE SPECIFIC LOCATION MAP.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS OUTLINED HERE, KIND OF COLORED IN AND TEAL THAT WOULD BE CARVED OUT OF THIS OVERALL SORT OF BIG BOX SHOPPING CENTER SITE.

THERE'S AN EXISTING BIG BOX FURNITURE STORE LOCATED OVER HERE 5701 BROADWAY BOULEVARD.

AND SO THE SUBJECT SITE WOULD BE CARVED OUT OF AN EXISTING UNDERUTILIZED PARKING AREA SHOWN HERE NEAR BROADWAY AND DUCK CREEK DRIVE.

AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER DRIVE THRU RESTAURANT AND A VARIETY OF RETAIL USES IN THE AREA, AS WELL AS WELL AS SOME CONVENIENCE STORES AND GAS PUMPS AND WHATNOT.

MOSTLY ZONED COMMUNITY RETAIL.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS AREA AS TRANSIT ORIENTED CENTERS AND THIS PROPOSAL IS SUPPORTIVE USE TO THAT DESIGNATION.

HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE AREA.

THE PHOTO TO THE LEFT SHOWS THE REALLY THE IMMEDIATE AREA OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE FURNITURE STORE IN THE BACKGROUND THERE.

THERE'S A TACO BELL ADJACENT TO WHERE THIS COFFEE SHOP WOULD BE LOCATED AND SOME OTHER USES. THERE'S A QUICK TRIP JUST NEAR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AS WELL AS A WHATABURGER RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET ACROSS BROADWAY.

HERE'S THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN WITH THE NINE HUNDRED AND FIFTY SQUARE FOOT BUILDING SHOWN HERE FOR THE COFFEE SHOP.

AGAIN, IT WILL BE A DRIVE THRU.

THEY WOULD HAVE MULTIPLE DRIVE THRU LANES.

THE SITE CAN BE ACCESSED THROUGH MUTUAL ACCESS AGREEMENTS TO THE THROUGH THE SURROUNDING AREA, WHICH ULTIMATELY CONNECT TO BOTH DUCK CREEK DRIVE AND BROADWAY BOULEVARD.

THE SITE COMPLIES WITH THE GDC REGULATIONS AS WELL AS THE LANDSCAPING.

HERE'S THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. IT COMPLIES WITH THE GDC LANDSCAPING REGULATIONS AND THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS ALSO COMPLY AS WELL, WITH THE GDC SHOWN HERE.

AGAIN, IT WOULD BE A NINE HUNDRED AND FIFTY SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.

THE BUILDING WOULD BE FOR EMPLOYEES ONLY CUSTOMERS.

HOWEVER, CUSTOMERS WOULD BE ABLE TO SIT OUTSIDE AND ENJOY THEIR BEVERAGES.

IN ADDITION TO THE DRIVE THRU FEATURE.

THE APPLICANT REQUESTS AN SUP TO BE IN EFFECT FOR A TIME PERIOD OF TWENTY FIVE YEARS, WHICH ALIGNS WITH THE SUP TIME, TIME PERIOD GUIDE AND NO GDC DEVIATIONS ARE BEING REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT.

STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE SUP AND PLAN FOR THE RESTAURANT WITH THE DRIVE THRU. THE GDC CLASSIFIES THIS USE AS A DRIVE THRU RESTAURANT, EVEN THOUGH IT IS A COFFEE SHOP WITH THE DRIVE THRU AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS WELL.

WITH A 9-0 VOTE ON BOTH THE SUP AND PLAN.

AND MAYOR, WE MAILED OUT SIXTY SIX NOTIFICATION LETTERS FOR THIS ZONING CASE.

WE RECEIVED FOUR IN FAVOR, ONE OF WHICH WAS OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION AREA, AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY IN OPPOSITION.

I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

VERY GOOD, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON EXCUSE ME ON THIS ITEM? DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMS. MAYOR NO QUESTION OF STAFF, BUT I'M WILLING TO TAKE BOTH OF THESE TOGETHER.

OK, VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. OK.

ALL RIGHT. I DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

MADAM SECRETARY, SPEAKERS, PLEASE.

SAM MOORE IS THE SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM.

VERY GOOD, MR. MOORE. IF YOU COULD COME FORWARD AND WE'LL ASK YOU FOR YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND YOU WILL HAVE 10 MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION, OR YOU CAN OPT FOR QUESTIONS ALL UP TO YOU.

MY NAME IS SAM MOORE.

I'M AT 2505 PENSHURST COURT, CELINA TEXAS 75009.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY I'M WITH MAIN AND MAIN CAPITAL GROUP, WE'RE THE DEVELOPER FOR DUTCH BRO'S IN THE DFW AND HOUSTON AREA.

WE'RE EXCITED FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING DUTCH BRO'S COFFEE OVER TO DFW.

THEY CURRENTLY HAVE A STRONG FOOTHOLD OVER ON THE WEST COAST OF THE U.S., AND THEY WERE FORMERLY THE LARGEST PRIVATE COFFEE SHOP IN THE U.S.

THEY BECAME A PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY LAST WEEK, AND THEY'RE STARTING TO MAKE THEIR EXPANSION INTO DFW.

CURRENTLY, WE HAVE FIVE OPEN STORES IN THE METROPLEX, ONE BEING IN PLANO, ONE IN SORRY, ONE IN PLANO, ONE IN PRINCETON, MCKINNEY.

THEN WE HAVE A COUPLE ON THE FORT WORTH AREA.

SO DUTCH BRO'S WAS ACTUALLY STARTED BY THE BOUWER SORRY BOERSMA TWINS OVER IN GRANT'S

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PASS, OREGON. THAT'S A SMALL FARM COMMUNITY OVER IN SOUTHERN OREGON.

THEY STARTED OFF WITH A PUSH CART ESPRESSO CART JUST DELIVERING COFFEE IN SOUTH OREGON, AND NOW THEY'VE BECOME A MUCH LARGER COFFEE SHOP LIKE WILL SAID, THIS IS A NINE HUNDRED AND FIFTY SQUARE FOOT DRIVE THRU COFFEE SHOP.

IT WILL NOT BE ACCESSED BY THE PUBLIC, BUT WE WILL OFFER SOME OUTDOOR SEATING FOR IT TO FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN AND ENJOY THEIR CUP OF COFFEE.

THE MAJORITY OF OUR BUSINESS IS DRIVE THRU ONLY.

SO WHILE WE DO OFFER OUTDOOR SEATING, WE EXPECT THE MAJORITY OF THE BUSINESS TO COME BY DRIVE THRU WITH THE TRIPLE STACK DRIVE THRU LANE.

WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO.

IT'S SIMILAR TO CHICK-FIL-A, WHERE WE HAVE RUNNERS COMING OUT AND COLLECTING ORDERS BY IPAD. AND BY DOING SO, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP THE TICKING TIME, WHICH IS THE TIME FRAME THAT A CAR PULLS UP TO A WINDOW TO COLLECT THEIR ORDER WITHIN 30 SECONDS IN THE METROPLEX. SO OUR GOAL IS TO, YOU KNOW, BE THE BEST PART OF YOUR MORNING OR NIGHT WHENEVER YOU HEAD TO HEAD TO WORK OR HEAD HOME.

BUT YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL IS TO GET YOU IN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT SLOWING YOU DOWN.

SO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO HELP.

30 SECONDS IS PRETTY QUICK.

ABSOLUTELY. I CAN'T EVEN FIX MYSELF A CUP OF COFFEE THAT FAST, SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON THIS ITEM? DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMS THANK YOU, MAYOR MR. [INAUDIBLE] GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR.

FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, I'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH AND BECAUSE I'D NEVER HEARD BEFORE I SAW THIS, I NEVER HEARD DUTCH BROTHERS.

SO I'VE DONE SOME, SOME RESEARCH AND WAS IMPRESSED.

ALL RIGHT. THE INFORMATION YOU GAVE ON THE NUMBER OF STORES AND YOU EXPANDING INTO INTO TEXAS AND INTO DALLAS COUNTY AND YOU CHOSE GARLAND AND I AND I'M HAPPY THAT YOU CHOSE DISTRICT FOUR FOR THIS.

THIS IS THIS IS SOMETHING NEW.

IT'S IT'S A NOVEL CONCEPT AND I'M I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO TO TO YOUR BUSINESS, YOUR ESTABLISHMENT. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR CHOOSING GARLAND TO FOR THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT.

ABSOLUTELY. AND THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY BEING A LOCAL DFW DEVELOPER.

WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT GARLAND AND DUTCH BRO'S IS VERY MUCH EXCITED ABOUT THIS AREA TOO.

VERY GOOD. VERY GOOD.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I SEE NONE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM MADAM SECRETARY. WE DO NOT.

OKAY, VERY GOOD.

DEPUTY MAYOR, PRO TEM, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? THANK YOU MAYOR. IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION.

MAYOR, I [INAUDIBLE] FOR MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS, ITEMS 10A AND ITEM 10B AS RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.

VERY GOOD. I HAVE A MOTION BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMS TO APPROVE ITEMS 10 A AND B, AS PRESENTED IN A SECOND BY COUNCIL LADY MORRIS.

SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU COULD PREPARE THE VOTE, PLEASE.

AND DISPLAY THE VOTE AND THAT ITEM IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU, SIR. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS FOR AN ADDITIONAL ZONING CASE, THIS WOULD BE ITEM 10C.

[Items 10C & 10D]

CONSIDER A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AMENDMENT REQUESTED BY WGI INC.

TO CONSTRUCT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY SIX DWELLING UNITS ALONG WITH A TRAIL.

THIS ALSO HAS A SECOND PART ITEM 10 D CONSIDER A DETAILED PLAN.

SAME ADDRESS, SAME APPLICANT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY SIX DWELLING UNITS ALONG WITH THE TRAIL SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THIS CURRENT ZONING DESIGNATION, THE PD, ALLOWS FOR MULTIFAMILY USE.

SO THIS IS A DETAILED PLAN BEING BROUGHT FORWARD FOR THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS A PD AMENDMENT REGARDING A COUPLE OF DEVIATION REQUESTS.

THE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT SITE IS 4401 BUNKER HILL ROAD.

THE ACREAGE IS ELEVEN POINT SEVEN ACRES AND THE ZONING IS PD 15-40.

HERE'S THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN NORTH GARLAND.

AND MORE SPECIFICALLY, IT IS LOCATED HERE, OUTLINED IN TEAL ALONG BUNKER HILL ROAD, THE SITE WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO AND FROM BUNKER HILL BUNKER HILL ROAD.

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THERE IS AN EXISTING APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT WAS DEVELOPED UNDER THE SAME ORIGINAL PD LOCATED OVER HERE, THE DOMAIN AT 140 APARTMENT COMPLEX.

SO THIS IS FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS FOR THE PHASE TWO OR WHAT WAS ENVISIONED TO BE THE PHASE TWO MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND ACROSS BUNKER HILL ROAD IS SACHSE.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS AREA AS COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS AND PARKS AND OPEN SPACE. AND HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE AREA.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE TOP LEFT IT'S CURRENTLY VACANT, LOOKING EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HERE. THIS IS THE EXISTING DOMAIN AT 140 APARTMENT COMPLEX AND THEN LOOKING NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OVER INTO SACHSE ACROSS BUNKER HILL ROAD AND THEN LOOKING SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT SUBJECT PROPERTY AT FURTHER VACANT LAND.

HERE'S THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.

THE DEVELOPMENT OR PROPOSAL CONSISTS OF FIVE MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS.

THOSE ARE OUTLINED IN THIS BROWN COLOR HERE.

SO FIVE MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS AGAIN, IT'S THREE HUNDRED AND SIXTY FIVE UNITS, FOUR STORIES IN HEIGHT.

THE PROPOSED DENSITY IS APPROXIMATELY 30 UNITS PER ACRE.

THE PD ALLOWS UP TO 40 UNITS PER ACRE, SO THE APPLICANT COMPLIES WITH THE DENSITY REQUIREMENT OF THE PD.

SHOULD NOTE A COUPLE OF OTHER FEATURES HERE.

AS FAR AS AMENITIES, THERE'S A SWIMMING POOL, CABANA AND CLUBHOUSE AREA OUTLINED IN THE YELLOW COLOR HERE AND THEN DOWN HERE IN THE GREEN IS A PROPOSED VILLAGE, GREEN SPACE AND DOG PARK. THE DOG PARK WOULD INCLUDE SOME OUTDOOR SEATING AND AN OUTDOOR DOG WASH, AND THE VILLAGE GREEN SPACE WOULD INCLUDE.

OF COURSE, IT'D BE VISIBLE TO THE POND TO THE SOUTH, BUT IT WOULD INCLUDE A COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE AND WILL INCLUDE GAMING AREAS, BARBECUE GRILLS, A PAVILION AND SOME FIRE PITS WITH FESTOON LIGHTING.

THE PROPOSAL MEETS THE PARKING MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF THE GDC.

HERE'S THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.

THE LANDSCAPING IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE GDC.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A TRAIL WALKING PATH AND TRAIL CONNECTING BUNKER HILL ROAD.

THE EXISTING SIDEWALK FROM BUNKER HILL ROAD DOWN THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE ONE THAT KIND OF WRAPS AROUND THE SOUTH SOUTH SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT HERE, AND THEN ANOTHER TRAIL THAT WOULD CONTINUE FURTHER SOUTH THAT WOULD CONNECT TO THE REGIONAL TRAIL.

YOU'LL NOTE THAT IN THE SLIDES, I ADDED EIGHT FEET.

THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED OR CONCURRED TO THE STAFFS AND PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE EIGHT FOOT WIDTH IN TRAILS.

I BELIEVE IN YOUR REPORT, IT SAYS FIVE AND SIX FEET, RESPECTIVELY, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS SINCE CONCURRED WITH THAT WIDTH RECOMMENDATION.

AND HERE'S A FURTHER VIEW OF THE TRAIL CONNECTION THAT WOULD GO FURTHER TO THE SOUTH AND CONNECT TO THE REGIONAL TRAIL.

THIS WOULD BE PROVIDED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AND ONE OF THE DEVIATIONS HERE.

THIS, OF COURSE, SHOWS THE TRAIL PROPOSALS THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THAT I JUST WENT OVER. BUT ONE OF THE IT'S A PD DEVIATION, NOT A GDC DEVIATION, BUT THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN SHOWED A DIRECT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION, A BRIDGE CONNECTING THE PHASE ONE DEVELOPMENT TO PHASE TWO OVER HERE.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO NOT PROVIDE THE DIRECT PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, BUT RATHER PROVIDE THE TRAIL, WHICH WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, INCLUDING RESIDENTS OF THE DOMAIN AT 140 AGAIN FROM THE BUNKER HILL SIDEWALK DOWN TO THE REGIONAL TRAIL.

AND THIS WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL.

THIS EIGHT FOOT PATH KIND OF CONNECTING MORE EAST WEST, JUST NORTH OF THE POND AMENITY AND THE DEVELOPER AND THE OWNERSHIP PARTNER OF PHASE ONE IS IN SUPPORT OF THAT REQUEST.

THEY PREFERRED NOT TO HAVE A DIRECT CONNECTION, EITHER.

THE ORIGINAL VISION WAS THAT THE THESE PHASES WOULD BE DEVELOPED BY ONE DEVELOPER, BUT ULTIMATELY THEY ARE BEING DEVELOPED SEPARATELY BY DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS.

BUT FORTUNATELY, THEY ARE IN COMMUNICATION WITH ONE ANOTHER.

HERE'S SOME CROSS-SECTIONS OF OF THE DEVELOPMENT THIS IS THE BUNKER HILL ROAD FRONTAGE WHO WOULD BE TREATED VERY SIMILARLY AS THE EXISTING DOMAIN AT 140 DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST. SOME SOME OF THE UNITS WOULD FRONT CLOSE TO GENERALLY CLOSE TO THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT WITH SOME LANDSCAPING TREES AND OF COURSE, THE SIDEWALK EXISTING SIDEWALK, THE INTERNAL DRIVES WOULD BE PRETTY SIMILAR.

ALMOST MIMIC A PUBLIC STREET WITH WITH THE BALCONIES, STOOPS ON STREET PARKING AND WITH

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TREES AND LANDSCAPING AND, OF COURSE, WALKWAYS.

AND THEN THIS ELEVATION DOWN HERE.

THIS CROSS SECTION SHOWS WHERE THE TRAIL WOULD GO ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT ADJACENT TO THE POND.

AND HERE ARE SOME VIEWS OF THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS AGAIN THERE.

THE BUILDINGS ARE FOUR FEET IN, OR, EXCUSE ME, FOUR STORIES IN HEIGHT.

THESE COMPLY WITH THE GDC REGULATIONS.

AND HERE'S SOME BUILDING ELEVATIONS OF SOME OF THE SMALLER BUILDINGS.

HERE'S THE MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE, BUILDING THE CABANA AND CLUBHOUSE BUILDINGS HERE.

AND TO SUMMARIZE, THERE ARE TWO DEVIATIONS, ONE OF WHICH IS FROM THE GDC.

THE OTHER IS FROM THE PD, WHICH I JUST WENT OVER REGARDING CONNECTIVITY.

BUT THE GDC DEVIATION IS REGARDING THE CARPORT STRUCTURES.

THE APPLICANT MEETS THE COVERED PARKING REQUIREMENT OF THE GDC, BUT IN ORDER TO FIT THAT 50 PERCENT, IT REQUIRED A LITTLE BIT OF JUST SPACING, MEETING SOME SPACING CHALLENGES.

SO ONE OF WHICH IS THAT THE GDC STATES THAT CARPORT STRUCTURES SHOULD NOT HAVE MORE THAN 10 PARKING STALLS, SO THEY DO HAVE FOUR STRUCTURES THAT WOULD HAVE MORE THAN 10 PARKING SPACES UNDERNEATH THE COVERED STRUCTURE.

AND THEN THE OTHER DEVIATION RELATED TO CARPORT STRUCTURES IS A MINIMUM DISTANCE.

THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AT LEAST 18 FEET FROM ONE ANOTHER.

THEY DO HAVE ONE OR REALLY TWO CAR PORTS THAT ARE WITHIN 12 FEET OF ONE ANOTHER.

AND THAT WAS TO AGAIN TRY TO MEET THE COVERED PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF THE GDC AND MEET SOME OTHER LOGISTICAL ISSUES RELATED TO THE BUILDINGS AND BALCONIES AND WHATNOT.

AND I WENT OVER THE CONNECTIVITY DEVIATION.

BUT AGAIN, THIS IS THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, RATHER THAN THE DIRECT PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE BETWEEN APARTMENT COMPLEXES HAVING THE CONNECTION FROM BUNKER HILL DOWN TO THE REGIONAL TRAIL AND THAT WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST, THE PD AMENDMENT AND THE DETAILED PLAN I MENTIONED EARLIER STAFF HAS PREVIOUSLY RECOMMENDED THE WALKING PATHS AND TRAILS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT BE PROVIDED AT A MINIMUM WIDTH OF EIGHT FEET.

THE APPLICANT HAS CONCURRED WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION AND WILL PROVIDE THAT, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD THE SAME RECOMMENDATION WITH A 9-0 VOTE APPROVAL OF THE APD AMENDMENT AND DETAILED PLAN WITH THE EIGHT FOOT TRAIL WITH RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND MAYOR, WE MAILED OUT A FIVE NOTIFICATION LETTERS.

WE RECEIVED TWO IN FAVOR.

ONE OF THOSE WAS WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA, ONE WAS OUTSIDE AND EIGHT AGAINST, AND THOSE WERE OUTSIDE OF THE NOTIFICATION AREA.

ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH THANK YOU, MAYOR.

WE RECEIVED SOME CITIZEN FEEDBACK ON THE PARKING SPACE COUNTS BETWEEN PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO, AND YOU HAD ANSWERED ME ON THAT VIA EMAIL.

COULD YOU SHARE THAT WITH THE COUNCIL? YES, ABSOLUTELY. SO THE PHASE ONE APARTMENT COMPLEX ENDED UP HAVING SOME PARKING CHALLENGES. THEY ACTUALLY REQUESTED A PARKING DEVIATION BACK A FEW YEARS AGO AND IT WAS APPROVED, BUT THAT ENDED UP BEING PROBLEMATIC.

THEY WERE. THEY WERE A BIT SHORT OF PARKING.

THEY HAD SOME FOLKS SHOWING UP AND PARKING IN FIRE LANES WHERE THEY COULDN'T FIND A SPACE, SO IT WAS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ISSUE.

BUT STAFF HAS SINCE WORKED WITH THE OWNERSHIP OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEX APARTMENT COMPLEX, AND THE CITY IS PERMITTED TWENTY FIVE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THOSE HAVE BEEN BUILT AND HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY ISSUES SINCE THEN.

AND THEN, MEANWHILE, AND THAT WAS ALL ON SITE.

TWENTY FIVE PARKING SPACES ON SITE, AT THE DOMAIN, AT 140.

AND THEN, MEANWHILE, THE PHASE TWO PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING MEETS PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF THE GDC.

OK, SO THE TOTAL BETWEEN THE TWO MEETS THE INTENT AND SPIRIT OF THE ORIGINAL PD THEN? CORRECT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL LADY MORRIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

WELL, JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION AND YOUR PRESENTATION.

YOU TALKED ABOUT THE CARPORTS AND THE GDC REQUIRING NO MORE THAN 10 SPACES PER CARPORT, AND YOU SAID THESE ARE MORE THAN 10.

CAN YOU GIVE ME A NUMBER? YES, I CAN POINT YOU TO THE SPECIFIC ONES.

I BELIEVE IT IS THESE THREE HERE.

I BELIEVE THOSE ARE 12 EACH AND THEN ONE OVER HERE, WHICH IS EITHER 12 OR 14.

SO I BELIEVE IT'S JUST THOSE THREE STRUCTURES.

THE GDC DOESN'T PROVIDE REAL CLEAR DIRECTION ON WHETHER IT'S INTENDING TO MEAN NO MORE THAN 10 CONTINUOUS PARKING SPACES IN A ROW.

IT DOESN'T PROVIDE THAT SPECIFIC DIRECTION, SO THE INTERPRETATION HAS JUST BEEN 10 PERIOD. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, HERE THEY ARE THEIR PARKING SPACES THAT ARE FACING ONE

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ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HEAD IN.

SO WITH THAT, WE CONSIDERED IT TECHNICALLY A DEVIATION, BUT JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT, OK, THAT'S FINE. JUST MORE THAN 10.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT MEANT TWENTY FIVE OR WHATEVER.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

VERY GOOD. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I SEE NONE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MADAM SECRETARY.

WE HAVE TODD ERICKSON ANDREW [INAUDIBLE], WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, VERY GOOD, GENTLEMEN. YEAH, RIGHT, SURE.

ALL RIGHT.

THERE YOU GO. AND IF YOU COULD GIVE US YOUR NAMES AND ADDRESSES FOR THE RECORD, AND WE'LL LET YOU MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. YES, MY NAME IS DREW KLASING K-L-A-S-I-N-G 4228 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY SUITE 300 DALLAS, TEXAS 75206.

VERY GOOD. AND SO YOU WANT TO DO YOU WANT TO GIVE YOUR NAME AND INFORMATION AND SPEAK? GOOD EVENING. TODD ERICKSON, CIVIL ENGINEER FOR WI AT 8144 WALNUT WALNUT LANE IN DALLAS.

VERY GOOD. GO AHEAD.

GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

MY NAME IS DREW KLASING WITH PRICE DEVELOPMENT.

WE ARE A LOCALLY BASED DEVELOPMENT COMPANY.

WE DEVELOP APARTMENTS, MIXED USE PROPERTIES.

WE DO MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT.

I'M EXCITED TO DEVELOP HERE IN GARLAND.

THE PROJECT THAT WE'VE PROPOSED TONIGHT IS THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY SIX UNITS.

WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE IS AN AERIAL RENDERING LOOKING TOWARDS THE WEST TOWARDS THE LAKE. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT DREW US TO THE PROPERTY IS THE 12 ACRE LAKE BEHIND THE LAND AND THEN ALSO THE CONNECTION TO THE TO THE REGIONAL TRAIL.

THE NEXT SLIDE HERE.

THIS IS JUST A RENDERING OF OUR CLUBHOUSE COMING IN OFF OF BUNKER HILL ROAD.

AND THEN THIS NEXT SLIDE IS A COLORED SITE PLAN, WHICH WILL ALREADY SHOWED WITH THE FIVE APARTMENT BUILDINGS THE CLUBHOUSE.

THE CLUBHOUSE WILL INCLUDE A FITNESS CENTER BUSINESS CENTER.

THEN WE HAVE OUR CABANA AND POOL, AND THEN ALONG THE LAKE WE'LL HAVE A PAVILION, A DOG PARK AND THEN SOME FIRE PITS OVERLOOKING THE LAKE.

AND THEN JUST THE NEXT SLIDE.

THESE ARE JUST SOME OF SOME OF IMAGES, SOME INSPIRATIONAL IMAGES FOR OUR DESIGN TEAM, AND THEN ALSO A COUPLE OF PICTURES FROM ONE OF OUR PROJECTS THAT WE ACTUALLY DID DOWN IN KATY, TEXAS. SO WITH THAT, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANYTHING THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE.

VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MAYOR PRO TEM HEDRICK THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING, I BELIEVE THEY ASKED YOU ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY OF A 10 FOOT WIDE TRAIL.

AND I THINK YOUR RESPONSE TIME WAS YOU'D GO TALK TO YOUR CIVIL ENGINEER AND HE'S RIGHT HERE [INAUDIBLE] THAT CONVERSATION.

YES, WE DID.

SO THE ONE ISSUE WITH DOING A 10 FOOT TRAIL, ESPECIALLY BEHIND THE TWO BUILDINGS ALONG THE LAKE, IS WE DON'T HAVE THE ROOM TO DO THAT.

AND THEN I THINK ALSO, I THINK IT CAUSED US SOME GRADING ISSUES WITH RESPECT TO DOING THE TRAIL ALL THE WAY FROM OUR SITE OUT TO THE TO THE REGIONAL TRAIL, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S SOME SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT ALONG THAT THAT WE'RE KIND OF PARALLEL TO.

SO THAT'S WHY WE ENDED UP JUST ON THE 8 FEET.

OK, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. VERY GOOD.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE NONE, MADAM SECRETARY, I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE ONLY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.

WE HAVE ONE VIRTUAL SPEAKER.

OH, SORRY, GO AHEAD.

WE HAVE MR. [INAUDIBLE].

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, FOR THE RECORD.

[INAUDIBLE] MANAGEMENT 909 LAKE CAROLYN PARKWAY, SUITE 150, IRVING, TEXAS 75039.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANKS TO JUDD AND WILL THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS, WE FULLY SUPPORT PRICE DEVELOPMENT AND I'M PRETTY EXCITED TO PARTNER WITH THEM ON THIS GREAT DEVELOPMENT AND WILL BE KIND OF TAKING PART AS THE MASTER DEVELOPER AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF ALL THE TRAILS AND THE AMENITIES THAT YOU GUYS SEE THERE.

SO. JUST WANT TO SHOW OUR SUPPORT FOR THEM.

OK, VERY GOOD, THANK YOU, SIR.

ALL RIGHT, I BELIEVE THAT WAS OUR ONLY SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM NOW, AND I HAVE NO ONE ELSE

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IN THE QUEUE. COUNCIL MEMBER BASS YES, MAYOR.

I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PD AND THE DETAILED PLAN.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER BASS TO APPROVE THE ITEMS 10 C AND 10D AS PRESENTED, AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE EIGHT FOOT WALKING PATHS.

YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT.

WITH A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE, I'M NOT SEEING ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

MADAM SECRETARY, PREPARE THE VOTE FOR US PLEASE.

COUNCIL AND DISPLAY THE VOTE.

THAT ITEM IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. AND OUR LAST INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ITEM IS ITEM 10 E CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER SEVEN DOWNTOWN DISTRICT OF THE GARLAND

[10E. Consider amendments to Chapter 7 “Downtown (DT) District” of the Garland Development Code to 1) create a Downtown Square (DS) sub-district and limit future uses allowed on the properties surrounding the Downtown Square, and 2) to eliminate off-street parking requirements in the Downtown Historic (DH) sub-district and proposed Downtown Square (DS) sub-district.]

DEVELOPMENT CODE 21, CREATE A DOWNTOWN SQUARE SUB DISTRICT AND LIMIT FUTURE USES ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY SURROUNDING THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE AND TWO TO ELIMINATE OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC SUB DISTRICT AND PROPOSED DOWNTOWN SQUARE SUB DISTRICT.

MR. GUERIN.

MAYOR, COUNCIL. SO THIS PROPOSAL, AS YOU STATED, IS TO CREATE A DOWNTOWN SQUARE SUB DISTRICT WHICH WOULD LIMIT FUTURE USES ALLOWED ON THE SQUARE, AS WELL AS ELIMINATE OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC SUB DISTRICT AND THE PROPOSED DOWNTOWN SQUARE SUB DISTRICT.

THIS CONVERSATION WAS INITIALLY DISCUSSED AND PASSED ALONG AS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND THEN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL, WHICH HAD ITS RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH I'LL GO OVER IN A FEW SLIDES HERE.

THE FIRST PART OF THIS REQUEST, AS INDICATED IN THE AGENDA LANGUAGE, IS TO CREATE A DOWNTOWN SQUARE SUB DISTRICT, WHICH WOULD BE OUTLINED IN THIS MAROON BORDER THAT I'M SHOWING HERE WITH MY CURSOR.

IT WOULD BE CARVED OUT WITHIN THE EXISTING DOWNTOWN HISTORIC SUB DISTRICT, WHICH WOULD OTHERWISE REMAIN AS IS, BUT IT WOULD CARVE OUT THIS LITTLE FEATURE HERE AROUND THE SQUARE AND TO KIND OF ZOOM IN.

MORE SPECIFICALLY, HERE'S THE SPECIFIC AREA OUTLINE IN GREEN.

SO IT'S REALLY THE PARCELS THAT HAVE THAT DIRECT FRONTAGE ON THE FOUR SIDES OF THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE, WHICH WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THE ZONING CHANGES PROPOSED THIS EVENING.

I'LL GO THROUGH THE LIST OF USES ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENT ALLOWED USES PER THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC SUB DISTRICT AND ON THE RIGHT YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED ALLOWED USES PER THE NEW PROPOSED DOWNTOWN SQUARE SUB DISTRICT.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS SLIDE HERE, ALL THESE USES NOTE NO CHANGES HERE.

I WON'T READ THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF GET A FEEL.

RETAIL STORES, RESTAURANTS, AN ART STUDIO, FITNESS STUDIO WOULD BE CONTINUE TO BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT. AND THEN I'LL KIND OF NOTE THE ONES WHERE THERE'S A PROPOSED CHANGE STARTING HERE WITH SMALL SCALE THEATER, SMALL SCALE THEATERS WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS AN ASSEMBLY HALL. WE'LL KIND OF GET TO THAT AND A LITTLE BIT.

ASSEMBLY HALLS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED EXCEPT BY A LAND USE CREDIT.

THE PROPOSED PROPOSAL INCLUDES THAT MULTIFAMILY WOULD BE ALLOWED BY SUP ONLY, EXCEPT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THAT AN UPPER FLOOR APARTMENTS BE ALLOWED IN THE SQUARE AREA BY RIGHT.

FURNITURE, HOUSEHOLD FURNISHINGS AND APPLIANCE SALES.

RENTAL WOULD BE ALLOWED BY SUP ONLY IN THIS PROPOSAL.

THESE USES WOULD REMAIN THE SAME, EXCEPT WHEN WE GET DOWN TO HOTEL AND MOTEL.

FULL SERVICE AND LIMITED SERVICE HOTELS WOULD BE ALLOWED BY SUP ONLY, AND EXTENDED STAY HOTELS WOULD BE LIMITED ELIMINATED AS A PERMITTED USE.

AGAIN, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED UPPER FLOOR APARTMENTS BY RIGHT COMING DOWN TO A GENERAL OFFICE. THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED ALLOWING GENERAL OFFICE BY RIGHT.

AND IF THERE IS IF IT'S BLANK, OBVIOUSLY THE PROPOSAL IS THESE WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED USES.

A CHURCH OR PLACE OF WORSHIP, WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN ASSEMBLY HALL IN THE PROPOSED DEFINITION AS DEFINED BY THE OR CRAFTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.

SOCIAL SERVICE FACILITY AND AGENCY WOULD ALSO BE CONSIDERED ASSEMBLY HALL, AS WELL AS THE CIVIC CLUB, FRATERNAL LODGE AND RECEPTION FACILITIES.

AND THEN ALSO, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED ALLOWING FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS OR

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BANKS, IN OTHER WORDS, BY RIGHT.

SO ASSEMBLY HALLS, AS PROPOSED IN THIS DEFINITION, ARE ATTRACTIVE LANDER STRUCTURE DESIGNED OR PRIMARILY USED FOR A GROUP OF PERSONS TO GATHER TOGETHER, USUALLY AT DESIGNATED MEETING TIMES FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR MISSION, WHETHER POLITICAL, CULTURAL, EDUCATIONAL OR RELIGIOUS.

THE TERM INCLUDES, BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO SOCIAL SERVICES, CIVIC CLUBS, RECEPTION FACILITIES, MEETING HALLS, RELIGIOUS SERVICES, FRATERNAL LODGES, ET CETERA.

AND THESE WOULD BE ISSUED A LAND USE CREDIT.

SO IF ANY EXISTING ONES EXIST ON THE SQUARE, THEY WOULD BE ISSUED A LAND USE CREDIT WITH THIS ZONING CHANGE PROPOSAL, AND THEY MAY NOT EXPAND UNLESS ISSUED A LAND USE CREDIT BY [INAUDIBLE] ASSEMBLY HALL.

AND NO NEW ASSEMBLY HALLS WOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE TO THE SQUARE UNLESS ISSUED A LAND USE CREDIT BY AN EXISTING ASSEMBLY HALL AND MR..

ENGLAND IS HERE TO HELP FURTHER EXPLAIN THIS IF THERE ARE FURTHER QUESTIONS.

BUT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE NOT BEING CHANGED WITH THIS PROPOSAL.

OTHER THAN REFERENCING THE NEW DOWNTOWN SQUARE SUB DISTRICT IN THE GDC AND MOVING ON TO DOWNTOWN PARKING, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE RECOMMENDED ELIMINATING OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE OR, EXCUSE ME, DOWNTOWN HISTORIC SUB DISTRICT, AS WELL AS THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE.

BUT IT'D BE THIS ENTIRE AREA THAT'S BORDERED BY GLENBROOK DRIVE, WALNUT STREET, THE RAILROAD SHOWN HERE TO THE EAST AND AVENUE A.

SO WITHIN THIS AREA, THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE ELIMINATED.

THIS HAS BEEN SOMEWHAT OF A REGULATORY CHALLENGE, BUT THIS THIS CONCEPT IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR MANY CITIES TO GO THIS DIRECTION FOR THE CORE DOWNTOWN AREA.

THE REALITY IS, MANY PARCELS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA HAVE VERY HIGH, IF NOT ONE HUNDRED PERCENT BUILDING COVERAGE.

SO THERE'S JUST SIMPLY NO ROOM FOR ON SITE PARKING.

SO DOWNTOWN PARCELS DEPEND VERY HEAVILY ON ON STREET PUBLIC PARKING AND OTHER PARKING PUBLIC PARKING PROVISIONS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON AUGUST 30TH, 2021 RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE CHANGES, BOTH THE ZONING AND PARKING CHANGES PRESENTED TO YOU WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

KEEP GENERAL OFFICE AND FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS USES ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

ALLOW APARTMENTS ON UPPER FLOORS BY RIGHT.

AND EXPLORE ENTERTAINMENT USE ALLOWANCE IN RELATION TO ASSEMBLY HALL REGULATIONS.

THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING.

THE COMMISSION ASKED STAFF TO LOOK INTO CREATING SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR THAT TYPE OF USE.

BUT AFTER FURTHER REVIEW AND CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE SUGGESTION WOULD BE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE ASSEMBLY HALL CLASSIFICATION. AND IN TERMS OF LETTERS, WE MAILED OUT ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY TWO NOTIFICATION LETTERS.

WE RECEIVED A SEVEN IN FAVOR OF THE REQUESTS.

TWO OF THOSE WERE OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION AREA AND WE RECEIVED EIGHT IN OPPOSITION WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA TWO OF THOSE WERE FROM THE SAME ADDRESS.

AND IN ADDITION, WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION INITIALLY HEARD THIS ON AUGUST 16TH, THEY POSTPONED IT FOR TWO WEEKS.

THEY ASKED STAFF TO MEET WITH THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS AND PROPERTY OWNERS.

THAT MEETING WAS HELD ON AUGUST 25TH.

WE HOSTED A ZOOM MEETING.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHAIRMAN, SCOTT ROBERTS WAS IN ATTENDANCE, WHICH WAS VERY HELPFUL, AND SO WE DID A LITTLE ADDITIONAL OUTREACH THERE BEFORE IT WENT BACK TO THE COMMISSION ON AUGUST 30TH.

SO WITH THAT MAYOR, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMS THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, WILL.

MY QUESTION IS WHAT'S WHAT WAS THE HOW WOULD YOU SUMMARIZE OR CHARACTERIZE THE THE FEEDBACK FROM THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION? I'D READ THROUGH ALL OF THE COMMENTS AND THERE WAS A MIXTURE OF COMMENTS AND CONCERNS ABOUT CURRENT USES BEING ADVERSELY IMPACTED.

I'M JUST REFLECTING ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS, THE PARKING STIPULATIONS, SOME OF THE EXISTING BUSINESSES.

THERE WAS A VARIETY OF CONCERNS EXPRESSED IN THESE COMMENTS.

WERE THESE COVERED IN THE ZOOM MEETING THAT WAS HELD AND HOW HOW WERE THEY ADDRESSED? YES, SIR, IT WAS.

THERE WAS A LOT OF KIND OF QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS, AND OF COURSE, I SENT THE COUNCIL EARLIER, THE FAQS THAT WE SENT OUT RIGHT AROUND THAT SAME TIME THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED TO

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THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS AND PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL.

SO SOME OF THOSE WERE COVERED DURING THE ZOOM MEETING, AS WELL AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARINGS. BUT YOU KNOW, MY IMPRESSION WAS AT LEAST THE, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYONE HAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT OPINIONS, AND SOME PEOPLE WERE PROBABLY MORE SO ON BOARD.

OTHERS MAY NOT BE.

BUT THE A LOT OF QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED.

CLARIFICATIONS WERE GIVEN.

MY IMPRESSION WAS THAT POTENTIALLY ALLOWING GENERAL OFFICE AND FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS BY RIGHT BECAUSE THOSE WERE THOSE WERE BIG CONCERNS THAT CAME UP DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING AND THE AND THE MEETING WITH THE BUSINESS OWNERS.

SO THAT WAS THAT WAS SEEN AS VERY FAVORABLE.

IF, YOU KNOW, ONCE THE COMMISSION KIND OF WENT IN THAT DIRECTION OF RECOMMENDING THAT THOSE BE KEPT IN BY RIGHT.

SO ARE THEY ARE THERE ANY EXISTING BUILT BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN THAT IF THAT IF THIS IS APPROVED AND THEY GO OUT OF BUSINESS AND SOMEBODY COMES IN AND WANT TO START THE SAME BUSINESS WILL IT REQUIRE AN SUP.

RIGHT NOW, BUSINESSES THAT THAT ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS, SOME COMMENTARY IN SOME OF THE COMMENTS.

WILL THERE BE ANY BUSINESSES THAT WOULD BE? SHOULD THOSE BUSINESSES GO UP FOR A MONTH OR WHATEVER AND THEN COME BACK? WOULD THEY BE CONTINUED TO BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT OR? YES, SIR. ANY ANY NON-CONFORMING USES WOULD BE ABLE TO REMAIN AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT VACATED FROM MORE THAN SIX MONTHS.

AND OF COURSE, THEY CANNOT EXPAND THEIR BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE, AT LEAST NOT WITHOUT SOME SORT OF MAJOR WAIVER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FROM THE CITY COUNCIL.

THE ONLY ONE THAT I BELIEVE IS NON WOULD BE CONSIDERED NON-CONFORMING WOULD BE THE THERE'S A FURNITURE STORE ON MAIN STREET, BUT THAT WOULD BE SHIFTED TO SUP VERSUS BUY, RIGHT? THAT BUSINESS OWNER DID HAVE.

WE HAD A FEW CONVERSATIONS AND WAS ABLE TO CLARIFY SOME SOME QUESTIONS AS FAR AS HOW THAT WORKS, NONCONFORMING VACATING SIX MONTHS BECAUSE ONE OF HIS BIGGEST QUESTION WAS CAN I SELL TO ANOTHER FURNITURE STORE? POTENTIALLY. AND THE ANSWER IS YES, AS LONG AS THE USE IS NOT VACATED FOR MORE THAN SIX MONTHS. AND FINALLY, IN SOME OF THE COMMENTS, IT IT EVEN WENT TO PRODUCT AND SAYING, IF I'M SELLING, FOR EXAMPLE, APPLES NOW, BUT I AM ALSO SELLING GRAPES AND BANANAS AND LIGHT BULBS, BUT I SWITCHED MY INVENTORY.

AM I IMPACTED BY THIS BASED ON WHAT I CHOOSE TO SELL TO THE PUBLIC IF I'M.

YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION. THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS HERE ABOUT THE KIND OF PRODUCT, I'M NOT APPLYING MERIT TO THOSE COMMENTS, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO GET IN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS HELD.

THAT QUESTION CAME UP AND I THINK A COUPLE OF THOSE, SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF IT IF AT ALL, THAT'S MATERIAL.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT IS OR NOT.

IT'S IT'S WHAT THE BUSINESS, IF THE BUILDING BUILT ITS BUSINESS, IS SELLING APPLES NOW AND THEN THEY SWITCHED TO SELLING LIGHT BULBS NEXT WEEK.

OK, BUT AS LONG AS THEY'RE REMAINING THAT SAME TYPE OF BUSINESS, THEY'RE NOT IMPACTED ARE THEY? RIGHT IF IT'S STILL IF THE BUSINESS STILL FALLS UNDER AN UMBRELLA OF RETAIL, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH WOULD CONTINUE TO BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT, IT WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED.

SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE USE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE SWITCHING FROM ONE PRODUCT TO ANOTHER. I MEAN, IF THAT TRIGGERS SOMETHING THAT WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN THIS LIST IS BY RIGHT OR BUY A SUP, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO REVIEW.

SO IT DEPENDS ON THE THE BUSINESS, BUT AND THE BUSINESS MODEL AND WHETHER THAT CHANGES, USES OR NOT. BUT IF IT'S IF IT'S ALLOWED, IT WOULD CONTINUE TO BE ALLOWED.

AND THAT, AS I SAID, THE ONE NOTABLE DIFFERENCE I SAW HERE WAS THE FURNITURE STORE IS GOING BY RIGHT TO SUP.

AND OF COURSE, THE ASSEMBLY HALLS, WHICH ARE HANDLED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.

IT'S NOT REALLY A NON-CONFORMING ISSUE.

IT'S JUST SORT OF LOCKING IN THE THE LAND USE CREDIT, BUT OTHERWISE IT JUST JUST KIND OF DEPENDS ON WHAT WHAT THE PROPOSED BUSINESS IS.

OKAY, SO SO MY LAST QUESTION IS SO WHAT SOMEBODY WHO WANTED TO, LET'S SAY, BUILDING AN ASSEMBLY HALL UNDER THIS PROVISION, WAS THAT DISCUSSED AT ALL? I DON'T KNOW IF I RECALL NEW ASSEMBLY OR ANY POTENTIAL FOR NEW ASSEMBLY SPEAKERS] EXISTING STRUCTURE OR BUILDING IN THIS WAY TO A I'M NOT GOING TO USE THE TERM CONVENTION CENTER. I'M TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU CAN HOST A GROUP OF PEOPLE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THAT AN ASSEMBLY HALL OR WHATEVER YOU WANT THAT KIND OF VENUE.

WOULD THAT BE POSSIBLE UNDER THESE CHANGES, IF IF IT'S IF IT MEETS THE IF IT FALLS UNDER

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THE DESIGNATION AND DEFINITION OF ASSEMBLY HALL, THEN THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD ACHIEVE THAT IS IF THEY'RE ISSUED A LAND USE CREDIT BY AN EXISTING ASSEMBLY HALL USE.

SO IF IT'S A THEATER OR OR A CHURCH OR ONE OF THE OTHER ASSEMBLY HALL USES THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A ONE TO ONE SWAP, ESSENTIALLY.

YOU KNOW, SO.

BUT AGAIN, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHETHER THAT USE BEING DESCRIBED FALLS UNDER THE ASSEMBLY HALL DEFINITION.

YES, SIR. OK. AND SINCE YOU MENTIONED MY LAST QUESTION, I PROMISE ME, SINCE YOU MENTIONED CHURCHES THEN GOING BACK TO THE COMMENTS, IF SOMEONE WANTED TO OPEN A RELIGIOUS CHURCH, WOULD THAT BE ALLOWABLE ON THE SQUARE UNDER THE UNDER THESE PROPOSED CHANGES? IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ISSUED A LAND USE CREDIT FROM AN EXISTING ASSEMBLY HALL AND THE THE ONES I'M AWARE OF. THERE'S THERE'S A CHURCH, THERE'S A THEATER, A SMALL SCALE THEATER AND OF COURSE, THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE, WHICH IS A LITTLE PECULIAR, BUT THAT THAT FALLS UNDER THE DEFINITION AS WELL. SO IT'D HAVE TO BE ISSUED THAT LAND USE CREDIT FOR SQUARE FOOTAGE BY THOSE BY ONE OF THOSE USES FIRST.

THANK YOU. WHICH WHAT YOU'RE EXPLAINING IS BASICALLY ONE WOULD HAVE TO REPLACE THE OTHER.

CORRECT. YES, IT'S FOR THOSE OF US WHO DON'T LISTEN TO THIS STUFF ALL THE TIME.

ONE CHURCH WOULD HAVE TO CLOSE FOR ONE TO OPEN IS OK.

COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN THANK YOU, MAYOR.

JUST TO FOLLOW ON THAT. IS THAT CREDIT BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE THEN? YES, SIR. OK, HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS.

SOME OF THESE ARE THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE RAISED, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLARIFY THAT ONE POINT THAT IF YOU HAVE AN EXISTING USE ON THE SQUARE, THIS IS NOT GOING TO PUT YOU OUT OF BUSINESS. THIS IS NOT GOING TO SAY YOU CAN'T EXIST.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SHUTTING ANYBODY DOWN.

CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A COMPLAINT, NOT A COMPLAINT, BUT A RESPONSE FROM FROM MR. STAFFORD AND TALKING ABOUT HAVING PERSONAL SERVICES, YADA YADA.

BUT THIS DOES NOT AFFECT HIS.

HE'S AN ATTORNEY, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO.

IF WE SAY NO PERSONAL SERVICE IS ON THE SQUARE, HE'S STILL THERE.

CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT.

IF THE USE IS THE USE OFFICE, GENERAL OFFICE OR GENERAL OFFICE OR WHATEVER IT IS, I MEAN, HOWEVER, THAT HE WOULD BE CLASSIFIED.

IT DOESN'T. THIS DOES NOT ACTUALLY IMPACT HIM.

RIGHT EVEN IF IT'S A USE THAT IS NOT APPROVED BY COUNCIL AS PERMITTED BY RIGHT OR BY SUP, IT WOULD STILL BE CONSIDERED LEGAL, NON-CONFORMING AND CAN CONTINUE OPERATING PER USUAL.

OK. AND FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE CHURCH THAT'S ON THE SQUARE, THAT THEY'RE GOOD TO GO THERE AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY GETTING SOMETHING OF BENEFIT.

THEY'RE GETTING LAND USE CREDITS, RIGHT? AND SO IF THEY WERE TO SAY, WE'RE CLOSING DOWN OUR, WE'RE CLOSING DOWN THE CHURCH AND WE'RE MOVING, THEY COULD ACTUALLY SELL THOSE CREDITS TO SOMEBODY FOR USE TO BUILD AN ASSEMBLY HALL OR HAVE AN ASSEMBLY HALL FUNCTION, WHETHER IT'S THERE OR SOME OTHER PART OF THE SQUARE. CORRECT.

THAT'S CORRECT. OK. THERE ARE A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT I WAS A LITTLE TROUBLED BY PARKING LOT? YEAH.

WHAT'S UP WITH THAT? I MEAN, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD SEEM TO ALLOW SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND SAY, WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO BULLDOZE THIS BUILDING AND NOW IT'S GOING TO BE A PARKING LOT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH, WE SAW THAT OPPOSITION LETTER TOO.

THAT'S A VALID POINT.

THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THE COUNCIL COULD STRIKE IF YOU WISH.

I WOULD, CERTAINLY.

AND A PHARMACY, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE.

THAT'S A THAT'S A PERMITTED USE ON THIS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND SIMILARLY WITH IN COUNCIL, THAT JUST MIGHT TAKE ON.

THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION ABOUT ANTIQUE SHOPS FOR FURNITURE STORES.

AT WHAT POINT DOES AN ANTIQUE SHOP BECOME A FURNITURE STORE? HOW DO WE HOW ARE WE GOING TO REGULATE THIS IF WE SAY NO FURNITURE STORES, BUT WE DO ALLOW ANTIQUE SHOPS OR WE DO ALLOW USED GOODS, IS THERE SOME METHODOLOGY THERE? RIGHT. THERE JUST BE SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT, AND I'M KIND OF DRAWING A BLANK A LITTLE BIT. BUT MR. [INAUDIBLE] ACTUALLY FIELDED THAT QUESTION RECENTLY.

I DON'T THINK HE'S HERE THIS EVENING, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DEFINITION AND THE BUSINESS MODEL OF INVENTORY AND JUST SEE WHICH WHAT'S THE BEST FIT.

YES, SIR. OK.

I GUESS MY GENERAL TAKE ON THIS IS THAT THERE'S YOU KNOW WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED, I THINK, OR AT LEAST THE SENSE I GET OR MY APPROACH IS THAT THE VERY CORE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VERY CORE OF DOWNTOWN, THIS IS REALLY JUST BUSINESSES THAT FACE THE SQUARE, THE FRONT OUT ONTO THE SQUARE. CORRECT FOR THE ZONING CHANGES.

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THAT'S CORRECT. OK.

AND SO MY MY GENERAL TAKE ON THAT IS, IS THAT WE'VE WE'VE MOVED IN A DIRECTION OF OF OF BEING FOCUSED ON RETAIL AND RESTAURANT AND ENTERTAINMENT.

AND THAT'S REALLY IT.

I DON'T THINK THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE ALLOW BY RIGHT SHOULD BE MUCH BEYOND THAT.

IF COUNCIL WANTS TO HAVE A SOME FUTURE, COUNCIL WANTS TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A WALGREENS, LET'S SAY, ON THE SQUARE.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT, I'M NOT TALKING, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER USES, MAYBE OVER WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A CONVENIENCE, YOU KNOW, CONVENIENCE STORE UP ON FIFTH STREET, YOU KNOW, WITH MULTI WITH WITH MIXED USE STUFF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE SQUARE.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE COUNCIL DISCUSSION FOR SOME FUTURE.

THE FUTURE FUTURE COUNCIL MAY SAY ALL FOR IT.

THIS IS A GREAT IDEA.

OR THE FUTURE COUNCIL MAY SAY NO, BUT I THINK THE COUNCIL SHOULD WEIGH IN ON THAT.

AND SAME THING WITH GENERAL OFFICE AND SAME THING WITH BANKS.

THE CURRENT BANK ON THE SQUARE WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED AT ALL BY THIS CORRECT, AS OPERATING AS AS THEY WOULD NOT BE.

RIGHT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF SOMEHOW AND WE HAVE AN ACTIVE BANKING COMMUNITY THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE SQUARE [INAUDIBLE] BUILT, BEAUTIFUL NEW FACILITY RECENTLY, THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER ACTIVITY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

IS IS MUCH BIGGER HERE.

I MEAN, IT'S VERY BROAD, BUT WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT PRESERVING AND KIND OF GUIDING THE DIRECTION OF THE SQUARE ITSELF.

AND SO IN THAT REGARD, I'D SUGGEST WE GO BACK THROUGH THIS LIST AND CALL OUT SOME OF THESE THINGS. AND IF WE JUST MAKE IT.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ALLOW PARKING STRUCTURES BY BY RIGHT OR EVEN BY SUP.

I MEAN, TO ME, THAT'S JUST CRAZY.

TALK FOR SOMEONE TO SAY THEY'RE GOING TO BULLDOZE A BUILDING AND AND PUT UP A PARKING LOT. BUT BUT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD WE SHOULD FOR BY RIGHT STUFF, LIMIT IT TO THE RESTAURANT, THE RETAIL AND ENTERTAINMENT AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.

AND IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT THESE FOLKS, FOR THE MOST PART, WHO ARE ALREADY ON THE SQUARE. I DO.

IT WOULD IMPACT THE ONE LETTER THAT REALLY WOULD IMPACT IS JONES FAMILY.

THEIR FACILITY, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY UNDEVELOPED AND HAS BEEN FOR QUITE SOME PERIOD OF TIME. BUT NONETHELESS, I THINK THEY KNOW THAT THE DIRECTION OR THEY'VE SUGGESTED THE DIRECTION THEY WANT TO GO IS TOWARDS THE RESTAURANT, RETAIL, ENTERTAINMENT.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE WAY TO GO COUNCIL.

AND IF WE DON'T DO THAT, THEN I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT I'M A LITTLE IFFY ON THE REMOVING THE THE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

PARKING IS ALREADY SOMEWHAT CONSTRAINED, I THINK, IN DOWNTOWN.

AND SO I'D WANT I CERTAINLY WANT TO KNOW THAT THAT WE FELT THAT WE HAD ENOUGH PARKING OR A PLAN FOR PARKING IN THAT REGARD.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBER BASS, THANK YOU MAYOR.

OK. COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN BROUGHT UP SOME REALLY GOOD POINTS.

ONE THING IN LOOKING AT THIS WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT IN ANY BUSINESS DISTRICT, YOU WANT TO HAVE A BALANCE YOU WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE COME IN THERE DURING THE DAY, YOU WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE COME IN THERE AT NIGHT.

SO IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE A BALANCE OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUSINESSES.

YOU KNOW, TO THAT POINT, THAT'S WHERE I FEEL YOU SHOULD HAVE FINANCE.

FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, GENERAL OFFICE, LAW FIRMS, YOU KNOW, WALK IN PHARMACIES, THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO DRAW PEOPLE THERE DURING THE DAY, WHICH THE ENTERTAINMENT, RESTAURANTS AND ANY OTHER BUSINESS THAT SPECIFICALLY IS, YOU KNOW, BUSY ON NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS. THEY NEED THAT DRAW DURING THE DAY.

AND ALSO IT HELPS TO BALANCE OUT THE PARKING.

AND ON THE NOTE OF PARKING, WILL I THINK YOU AND I HAVE DISCUSSED BEFORE.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE WORDING IS, BUT THERE'S BEEN A PARKING SURVEY DONE DOWNTOWN.

CAN YOU TALK TO US ABOUT THE RESULTS OF THAT? SURE. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I THINK THE HIGH LEVEL FINDINGS WERE THAT DEFINITELY DURING PEAK HOURS, LUNCH AND LUNCH AND DINNER, THE SQUARE DOES FILL UP.

THE PARKING DOES FILL UP QUITE A BIT OUTSIDE OF PEAK HOURS.

AND EVEN TO SOME EXTENT, DURING PEAK HOURS.

THE FINDINGS ALSO SHOWED THAT.

THERE IS STILL AVAILABLE PARKING TO AN EXTENT WE KNOW WHETHER IT'S THE THE PARKING

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GARAGES THAT GO A LITTLE UNDERUTILIZED OR OTHER PARKING PUBLIC PARKING SPACES THAT MAY BE AVAILABLE THAT JUST TAKE MAYBE AN EXTRA BLOCK OR SO OF WALKING.

SO THOSE WERE KIND OF THE MAIN FINDINGS OF WHAT THEY THEY FOUND FOR THE SURVEY.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE.

I'M SURE THAT THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AS IT RELATES TO THIS PROJECT.

AND AS I HAVE LISTENED THIS EVENING TO MAYOR DEPUTY PRO TEM WILLIAMS AND COUNCILMAN AUBIN, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF WE'RE BEING ASKED TONIGHT TO VOTE ON IT, JUST THE PARKING SITUATION ALONE OR SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WILLIAMS BROUGHT UP WOULD LEAD ME TO STOP AND THINK, WELL, YOU KNOW, AS A NEWCOMER NOT BEING IN SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS OR AS A PERSON JUST WATCHING TONIGHT, IT SEEMS VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO GO FORWARD WITH A VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT HAS SO MUCH CLOUD OVER IT.

IT DOES. IT CONCERNS ME THAT SOMEONE WOULD BE ABLE TO COME IN AND TEAR DOWN THE STRUCTURE AND JUST PUT UP A PARKING PARKING STRUCTURE.

I APPRECIATE THE WAY THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BASS HAS LAID IT OUT.

YES, WE DO NEED TO HAVE A BUSINESS STRUCTURE THAT IS MULTIFACETED, THAT IS DIVERSIFIED.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT SEEMS THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF CLOUD HERE.

AND SO I'M ASKING, I GUESS AT THIS POINT, HOW DO WE HOW DO WE GO FORWARD WITH THIS AND ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE CLOUD? SOME OF THE SOME OF THE THOUGHTS OF THE NEGATIVE THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN HERE BY SAYING, YES, WE WANT TO HAVE IT OR NO, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE IT, IS THAT THAT'S THAT'S I'M IN A DILEMMA HERE. WELL, COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE.

I MEAN THIS THIS ITEM HAS BEEN DISCUSSED THROUGH OUR PLANNING COMMISSION.

IT HAS FOLLOWED THE NORMAL PATHWAYS THAT THE ZONING CASES THAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT.

SIR, IF I THOUGHT WE COULD MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT, IT WOULD MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.

I WOULD WRITE A BOOK AND I WOULD SELL YOU A COPY.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, WE AS WE OFTEN HAVE HERE, WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

SOME OF THEM NEGATIVE. SOME OF THEM POSITIVE.

SOME OF THEM PERCEIVED.

SOME OF THEM ACTUAL.

SO I WISH I HAD A I WISH I HAD A BETTER ANSWER FOR THAT.

BUT I DON'T.

MR. MAYOR.

THAT'S WHY WE GET THE BIG BUCKS.

YEAH, RIGHT. COUNCIL LADY MORRIS THANK YOU, MAYOR.

WELL, AND TO YOUR POINT, THIS HAS ACTUALLY BEEN IN MOTION SINCE THE BEGINNING OF APRIL, SO IT'S BEEN A LONG, SLOW, OFTEN PAINFUL PROCESS.

I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE WORK OF OUR STAFF AND DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT OFFICE AND AND JUDD, WHO WHO WENT REALLY THE EXTRA MILE IN REACHING OUT TO THE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN AND PARTICULARLY TO THE PEOPLE ON THE SQUARE HAND CARRYING INFORMATION TO THEM, ONE BY ONE ENGAGING IN A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS.

WE MET WITH THEM.

I FIELDED A LOT OF PHONE CALLS.

SO HAVE THEY. SO WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS.

I'VE TALKED WITH A LOT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, SO WE HAVE INVESTORS WHO ARE DEEPLY INVESTED MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN OUR DOWNTOWN ALONG THE SQUARE.

AND THEY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN ABOUT US BEING OVERLY AGGRESSIVE IN THROTTLING TOO MANY USES. SO THIS IS WALKING A LINE.

WE THE THE GARLAND DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION, REQUESTED A A CLOSING IN AND RESTRICTING OF USES ON THE SQUARE.

BUT THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN OK WITH, SAY, WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S ACTIONS AND SAYING GENERAL OFFICE AND FINANCIAL INSTITUTES SHOULD BE SHOULD STAY IN THE ALLOWED AREA.

SO THIS HAS BEEN, I THINK, WALKED CAREFULLY.

BUT TO COUNCILMAN AUBIN POINT ABOUT THE PARKING LOT OR GARAGE COMMERCIAL.

I'M ABSOLUTELY IN AGREEMENT AND I'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS ALREADY WITH WILL AND WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY SAYING, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT SLIPPED BY, BUT THAT NEEDS TO GO.

I DON'T SEE THAT HAVING A PLACE HERE.

SO THAT WOULD BE AT THE POINT THAT I MAKE A MOTION THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN MY MOTION, THAT WE DISALLOW THAT ON THE SQUARE.

SO AS WITH MOST ENDEAVORS AND MOST DIFFICULT DECISIONS WE MAKE, CITIZEN INPUT WAS A HUGELY VALUABLE IN THIS IN REACHING THE SHAPE AND THE DECISION THAT WE THAT COMES BEFORE US TONIGHT. THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I THINK, DID AN EXCELLENT JOB IN REVIEWING THIS AND

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SEVERAL OF THE NO'S, INCLUDING THE STAFFORD'S, INCLUDING TOM BAILEY.

THEY ARE NOW YESES.

I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.

I TALKED WITH DAVID BAKER FROM BAKER'S FURNITURE AND HE'S HE'S HAPPY WITH THIS.

HE'S FINE. SO WE.

WE ARE NOT HAVING A LOT OF A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO TO WHAT IS BEFORE US TONIGHT PROVIDING THAT WE INCLUDE GENERAL OFFICE AND FINANCIAL INSTITUTES ALONG WITH SECOND FLOOR APARTMENTS IN WHAT WHAT WE INCLUDE IS BEING ALLOWABLE ON THE SQUARE.

SO ALL THAT IS TO SAY, I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE DONE A CAREFUL AND BALANCED JOB AND AND COUNCILMAN BASS'S POINT ABOUT BALANCE.

IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

IF YOU HAVE ALL RESTAURANTS, THE PARKING COMES IN GIANT BURSTS AT THE SAME TIME.

IF YOU HAVE OTHER SERVICE BUSINESSES OR OTHER THINGS, INCLUDING WALK IN PHARMACIES WHERE PEOPLE COME AND GO ALL DAY.

THAT IS A METERED USE AND THAT MESHES WELL WITH THE LARGER, MORE INTENSIVE USES THAT WE SEE. I'LL ALSO SAY WE HAVE HAD REPEAT PROFESSIONAL PARKING STUDIES, AND THEY'VE ALL COME BACK SAYING THE RUMORS OF US HAVING TOTALLY INADEQUATE PARKING ARE GREATLY OVERBLOWN.

WE HAVE A LOT OF PARKING ALONG AVENUE A.

WE HAVE THE CITY PARKING GARAGE THAT'S USUALLY HALF EMPTY.

WE HAVE MUNICIPAL PARKING LOTS ALL OVER THE DOWNTOWN THAT AREN'T USED.

SO SIGNAGE IS GOING UP TO POINT PEOPLE TO THEM.

PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THE PLACES THEY CAN PARK.

WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF HELPING THEM FIGURE THAT OUT.

SO I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS WITH THE CONDITIONS.

THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WITH THE EXCLUSION OF PARKING LOTS AND GARAGES, WHICH I GUESS WE WERE ALL SNOW BLIND OR IT WAS THE TOP OF THE LIST AND JUST DIDN'T SEE IT. BUT THAT'S CRAZY.

SO I'LL GET OFF THE MIC IF THERE'S ANY MORE DISCUSSION AND WHEN YOU'RE READY, I WILL BE HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. AND THOSE ARE ALL ALL VERY GOOD POINTS.

AND AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMS THANK YOU, MAYOR.

JUST JUST WANTED ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

WILL I WATCHED I WATCHED THE PLANNING COMMISSION DISCUSSIONS ON THIS ONE.

TELL ME AGAIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA FOR FOR THIS INITIATIVE.

WHAT WAS THE OFFICIAL NOTIFICATION AREA? YES, SIR. WE NOTIFIED.

WE TREATED IT VERY SIMILARLY TO A ZONING CASE, SO WE NOTIFIED OUT FOUR HUNDRED FEET FROM THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE.

PARCELS, INCLUDING THE PARCELS WITHIN IT, TRIED TO MAKE SURE WE HIT THE TENANTS AS WELL, IN ADDITION TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, EVEN THOUGH FOUR HUNDRED FEET.

GIVE ME A GIVE ME A POINT OF REFERENCE.

FOUR HUNDRED FEET FROM EACH DIRECTION FROM THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE.

SO THAT WAS, YEAH, FOUR HUNDRED FEET OUT FROM THIS AREA, INCLUDING EVERYTHING WITHIN IT, I'D SAY FROM STATE STREET.

YES, SIR. JUST, YEAH, REALLY.

JUST THE GENERAL AREA. WE KIND OF THE THE BOUNDARIES KIND OF ARE IN A PERFECT CIRCLE.

THEY ALIGN WITH THE PRETTY MUCH STUFF AT FIRST STREET IN THIS SIDE.

THEY PROBABLY DIDN'T GO QUITE THAT FAR.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THAT MAY BE A BIT BEYOND FOUR HUNDRED FEET, BUT BUT WE NOTIFIED OUT FOR THAT BUFFER PER USUAL, AS IF IT WERE AS IF WE TREATED THIS BASICALLY LIKE A ZONING CASE, AS IT DOES INVOLVE ZONING CHANGES THROUGH THE CODE.

AGAIN, WE TRIED TO HIT TENANTS AS WELL, BUT THAT'S WHERE [INAUDIBLE] GROUP REALLY HELPED, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GET ON THEIR FEET AND HAND, DELIVER SOME NOTIFICATIONS AS WELL JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE HITTING AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE.

OK, YOU USED THE OPERATIVE WORD THAT I WAS AFTER, AND MY QUESTION IS JUST AN OBSERVATION.

WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT I HAVE NOT HEARD DISCUSSED BACK TO APRIL IN THIS PROCESS.

WE ALSO HAVE A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY DOWNTOWN.

THEY'RE NOT ON THE SQUARE, BUT THEY ARE.

THEY'RE DOWNTOWN. SO DID WE GET ANY INPUT FROM THE NON-BUSINESS SECTOR? I HAVEN'T SEEN OR HEARD ANY.

I'M SEEING A HEAD NOD FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M JUST I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION FROM THE NOTIFICATION OR RESPONSES THAT THEY'RE PRETTY HEAVY FROM BUSINESS OWNERS, RIGHT? PROPERTIES OF BUSINESS. THERE'S PROBABLY MORE FROM THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THINGS, BUT OK.

AND MAYBE, MAYBE COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS CAN CAN HELP ME WITH THIS.

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BUT THAT THAT'S MY QUESTION I DIDN'T SEE LOOKING THROUGH EVERYTHING AND GOING BACK.

I DIDN'T SEE I UNDERSTAND THE OFFICIAL NOTIFICATION AREA, BUT AS FAR AS THE IMPACT OF THIS, THE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT WE.

ANTICIPATE WHO'S GOING TO KEEP THE BUSINESSES GOING DOWN HERE.

AND SO THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S SORT OF A CONCERN OF MINE.

MAYBE I MISSED IT, BUT I BELIEVE COUNCIL LADY MORRIS HAS SOME INFORMATION SPEAKERS] COUNCIL LADY MORRIS. CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THIS, PLEASE? GO AHEAD, MA'AM. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I HOPE SO. YES.

SINCE I LIVE DOWNTOWN AND SINCE MY I DO A LOT OF COMMUNICATIONS WITH MY DISTRICT THROUGH FACEBOOK NEXT DOOR AND A DIRECT EMAIL LIST TO MANY THOUSANDS.

I'VE GOTTEN A GOOD AMOUNT OF FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE AND I WILL TELL YOU THE THE OVERWHELMING FEEDBACK HAS BEEN YES.

PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CONCERNED BECAUSE OF EVENTS EARLIER THIS YEAR THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THE SQUARE, HAVE BUSINESSES OR COMPANIES MOVE INTO THE SQUARE THAT THEY FELT WERE NOT APPROPRIATE. OK, SO THEY HAVE BY AND LARGE OVERWHELMINGLY BEEN IN APPROVAL WITH THIS WHOLE CONCEPT OF REDUCING THE USES ON THE SQUARE WITHIN REASON, WITHIN REASON.

AND I BELIEVE WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH IS WITHIN REASON.

BUT THERE HAS NOT BEEN AN OUTCRY SAYING, OH NO, NO, DON'T DO THIS.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, BUT I HAVE HEARD FROM A WHOLE LOT OF INDIVIDUALS PEOPLE IN CITY SQUARE LOFTS AND OAKS 5TH STREET, THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE DOWNTOWN. THE PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

I CAN WALK TO THE SQUARE, BUT I WASN'T IN THE NOTIFICATION AREA.

IT'S BEEN AN ENTHUSIASTIC RESPONSE TO THIS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SEE OUR DOWNTOWN AND THE SQUARE IN PARTICULAR BECOME MORE OF AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.

AND WE'RE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD THAT THAT THAT HELPS ME, THAT HELPS ME A LOT ON THIS, BUT AGAIN, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN AUBIN ON THIS PARKING LOT THING, A PARKING STRUCTURE, AND I'VE BEEN TO A NUMBER OF DOWNTOWN'S AREAS IN THIS IN THE METROPLEX AND BEYOND.

AND I CAN'T SEE A PHARMACY.

I DON'T I DON'T SEE WHY RESTRICTING A PHARMACY FOR NOW THAT THE MOST.

THAT'S A SERVICE THAT YOU KNOW, [INAUDIBLE].

BUT I'VE SEEN PRIVATE PHARMACIES SERVICE TO THE RESIDENTS.

I'M CONNECTING THIS NOW AND I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND SOME THAT KIND OF EXCLUSION FROM HERE. BUT BUT I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO PUT A HUGE PARKING GARAGE OR PARKING LOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SQUARE.

BUT THERE'S THERE ARE SOME USES, BUT I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, IMPERFECT PEOPLE DO.

YOU KNOW, WE MAKE IMPERFECT THINGS.

BUT YOU KNOW, THERE STILL SOME CONCERNS I HAVE WITH THIS.

BUT COUNCIL LADY MORRIS HAS HELPED ME MOVE A LITTLE BIT ON IT, BUT I WANT TO HEAR FROM ANY SPEAKERS WE'VE GOT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, SIR.

COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN. YOU WERE IN THE QUEUE.

I'M STILL THERE. WELL, GO AHEAD.

HANG ON. HANG ON. HANG ON, HANG ON.

THERE WE GO. IT'S LIKE DOING A SQUARE DANCE.

DO SI DO. AND JUST TO, YOU KNOW, TO TO FOLLOW ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.

BUT YOU KNOW, BY MY COUNT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TOTAL OF 19 PROPERTIES.

[INAUDIBLE] AND THERE MAY BE MORE THAN THAT IF SOME OF THEM ARE SUBDIVIDED OR WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LARGE SWATHS OF DOWNTOWN.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST WHAT IS AND SOME OF THOSE RUN BYF THE CITY.

WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT'S ON THE SQUARE.

AND AS COUNCIL LADY MORRIS MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE OVERWHELMING SUPPORT AND PUSH THAT SHE'S GOTTEN IS TO TURN THIS INTO RETAIL, ENTERTAINMENT OR AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT. THEN I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM HEADING THAT DIRECTION AND JUST, YOU KNOW, IF FOLKS NEED TO HAVE AGAIN, THE THE FOLKS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE SQUARE WILL NOT BE AFFECTED.

AND SO THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES, DO YOU NEED ANOTHER? DO YOU NEED ANOTHER BANK ON THE SQUARE? DO YOU NEED ANOTHER ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON THE SQUARE?

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THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF QUESTIONS.

AND AND DO YOU NEED THAT BY RIGHT? OR ARE WE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING AS COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS ALLUDED TO WHERE SOMETHING COMES IN AND THEN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET ALL BENT OUT OF SHAPE BECAUSE THERE WILL BE THERE WILL BE NOTHING TO PREVENT.

THEY'LL JUST COME IN, BY RIGHT AND AND WILL NOT BE PUTTING THE SQUARE.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SQUARE.

THERE'S SO MUCH THAT IS NOT IMPACTED BY THAT.

AND SO I JUST THINK WE SHOULD.

I JUST THINK WE SHOULD KEEP THAT IN MIND.

AND IT'S THE SAME THING. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A PHARMACY, DO WE NEED A PHARMACY ON THE SQUARE? I MEAN, THERE'S THERE'S DOZENS OF OTHER PLACES RIGHT IN PROXIMITY AND SOME THAT WOULD BE CLOSER TO WHERE PEOPLE LIVE.

SO I THINK WE SHOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

ALTHOUGH I WOULD ADD THAT THE ORIGINAL REASON WHY I HAD PUNCHED IN WAS IN MY BELIEF.

I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF US HAVE THOUGHT EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THIS.

THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT CONCERN IN THE COMMUNITY BACK IN MARCH, AND ALTHOUGH I DO WANT TO MOVE WITH SPEED, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DELIBERATE SPEED.

AND SOME MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL HAVE NOT REALLY HAD A TIME.

AND IF WE HAD HAD AN EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS TWO WEEKS AGO, MAYBE I WOULD FEEL DIFFERENTLY, BUT WE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T REALLY GET INTO IT AT ALL AND DIG INTO THESE ISSUES. AND AND I THINK I DON'T KNOW, BUT YOU ALL I WOULD THINK YOU ALL HAVE THIS FEELING. THERE ARE SOMETIMES THINGS COME UP AND YOU WOULD LIKE MORE TIME TO CONSIDER OR DIGEST IT. I KNOW I'VE COMPLAINED MORE THAN ONCE ABOUT FEELING THAT STUFF COMES ROARING OUT OF COMMITTEE, AND WE HAVEN'T.

YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT OR DIGEST IT OR LOOK THROUGH ALL THE ISSUES AND YOU JUST KIND OF GET STEAMROLLERED OVER IT.

SO IF, IF, IF COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE FEELS THAT THAT WE NEED SOME ADDITIONAL TIME ON THIS, THERE'S NO RUSH. THIS ISN'T LIKE A ZONING CASE WHERE WE HAVE A 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK OR ANYTHING ELSE. COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE NEEDS MORE TIME THAN I FULLY SUPPORT SAYING LET'S TAKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHAT, TWO WEEKS TO THE NEXT MEETING OR SOMETHING.

AND LET'S TAKE THAT TIME FOR THINGS LIKE THIS THAT ARE IMPORTANT.

AND I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE DEFER TO THAT.

WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT WE MADE AN INFORMED DECISION.

I DON'T WANT TO PUT ANY MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL IN A POSITION WHERE THEY SAY THAT THEY WHERE THEY HAVE TO RESPOND TO A CONSTITUENT AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, I VOTED THIS WAY, BUT MAYBE IF I HAD HAD MORE TIME TO CONSIDER IT, I MIGHT HAVE VOTED DIFFERENTLY.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO NEED FOR US TO BE IN THAT POSITION HERE.

AND SO I, YOU KNOW, I FULLY SUPPORT DEFERRING FOR A FEW WEEKS TO TO MORE FULLY DEVELOP THE ISSUES, MAKE SURE EVERYONE FEELS THAT THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE AN INFORMED VOTE. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU, SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN.

AS I'M SITTING HERE THINKING ABOUT ALL OF IT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECES OF PROPERTY IN THE CITY, WHICH IS OUR DOWNTOWN AREA.

I THINK THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE SOME OF THE SAME SITUATION THAT I'M HAVING PRESENTLY IN DISTRICT THREE, WHERE WE MADE DECISIONS THAT THERE WERE BANDAGES.

THEY WERE NOT THE APPROPRIATE ANSWER AT THE TIME.

AT THE SAME TIME, I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A PROCESS THAT WE ARE INVOLVED WITH, AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO FOLLOW THAT PROCESS.

I WANT TO BE ABLE TO COME HERE AND NOT INTERRUPT ANYTHING.

YOU KNOW, I'M JUST I'M JUST ONE OF THE BRICKS IN THE BUILDING HERE.

SO AS I'M LISTENING AGAIN, I RESPECT THIS COUNCIL.

WHEN I'M TALKING TO PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT, I TELL THEM THAT I'M SO PROUD TO BE SERVING WITH A COUNCIL THAT IS CONCERNED ABOUT THIS TOTAL CITY, NOT JUST MY DISTRICT, BUT THE TOTAL CITY. AND WHEN YOU COME TO THESE MEETINGS, I WATCHED YOU.

YOU COME HERE PREPARED.

YOU'VE DONE YOUR HOMEWORK.

YOU'VE DONE THOSE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.

AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, AS FOR LISTENING TO COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS, I WOULD I WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMEWHAT IN FAVOR OF GOING IN THE DIRECTION THAT SHE IS ASKING US TO GO BECAUSE SHE'S DONE HER HOMEWORK.

IT SOUNDS LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER BASS, HE'S DONE HIS HOMEWORK.

AND YES, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I'M I FEEL THAT THERE ARE SOME CLOUDS THERE.

BUT IF THE PROCESS CALLS FOR US TO VOTE TONIGHT, I'M PROBABLY GOING TO BE A TEAM PLAYER AND THAT IS GO WITH THE VOTE OF THE PEOPLE I TRULY RESPECT.

SO WITH THAT, THAT ANSWER IS ENOUGH FOR MY QUESTIONS FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD.

THANK YOU. OK, THANK YOU, SIR.

COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I'LL BE QUICK. OF COURSE.

NO PARKING LOTS.

I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THERE.

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AS FAR AS OFFICE USE GOES, YOU KNOW, IT'S I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION HIT ON SOMETHING WHEN THEY SAID SECOND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL BY RIGHT.

AND THAT IS BECAUSE VERY, YOU SEE, VERY FEW RETAIL SPACES SUCCEED ON A SECOND FLOOR.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD EXPECT THAT ALL OF OUR SECOND STORIES WOULD BE FILLED IN BY THESE, THESE DIFFERENT USES, WHETHER IT BE OFFICE OR RESIDENTIAL OR WHATEVER ELSE THAT THE PUBLIC CAN DREAM UP TO PUT IN THOSE SECOND AND THIRD STORIES.

YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS PHARMACY GOES, COUNCILMAN AUBIN IS RIGHT.

IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE DIRECTLY ON THE SQUARE FACING THE SQUARE.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A VERY, VERY TINY AREA WITH A VERY SPECIFIED USE AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING FOR THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS TO BE JUST OFF THE SQUARE STILL FITS THE SCENARIO THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BASS BROUGHT UP, WHICH IS YOU WANT THAT MIXED USE, YOU WANT THAT MIXED SHARE, THAT CHURN OF DIFFERENT BUSINESS TYPES WITH DIFFERENT PEAKS AND VALLEYS IN THEIR BUSINESS DAY.

I HAVE NO ANSWERS TO THE ANTIQUE VERSUS THE FURNITURE STORE POINT THAT WAS EARLIER BROUGHT UP. ALL OF THE FURNITURE IN MY HOUSE IS ANTIQUE, I THINK BECAUSE NONE OF IT'S FROM THIS CENTURY.

SO WHERE WE ALL WANT TO GO WITH THAT IS FINE.

I'D BE SUPPORTIVE OF WAITING TWO WEEKS.

YOU KNOW, IF THIS HAS TAKEN SIX MONTHS, THERE'S NO REASON TO RUSH IT RIGHT WHEN WE GET TO THE TO THE FINISH LINE.

YOU KNOW, IF IF THE IF THE DELAY CAN NOW ALLOW FOR MEANINGFUL INVESTIGATION OF THE ISSUE THAT TAKES MORE THAN THE SEVENTY TWO HOURS WE GET WHEN THE BETWEEN WHEN THE AGENDA IS POSTED AND WE NEED TO VOTE, I'M FOR THAT.

YOU KNOW, LET'S TAKE THE TIME THAT WE NEED TO GET IT AND DO IT RIGHT.

SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT A MOTION EITHER DIRECTION, WHETHER WE GO FORWARD OR WHETHER WE DELAY FOR TWO WEEKS.

AND I THINK THAT COVERS MY NOTES.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANKS, SIR.

MAYOR PRO TEM HEDRICK THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME IN THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE LOOKING AT THIS WHOLE LIST AND THE PHARMACY ONE HAS BEEN PICKED ON A LOT HERE, BUT I MEAN, IT'S RIGHT ABOVE THAT IS CONVENIENCE STORE.

THERE'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE IN THE ITEMS THEY SELL WITH A PHARMACY VERSUS A CONVENIENCE STORE. SO IN THE VEIN OF WANTING TO MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF USES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO POTENTIAL NEW TENANTS OR NEW OWNERS, WE DECIDED TO LEAVE THAT ON THERE.

THE PARKING, THIS WAS ONE THAT WAS LEFT ON THERE.

I DO REMEMBER IT BEING DISCUSSED IN COMMITTEE, AND IT WAS FOR THE FACT IF ANYONE EVER WANTS TO COME IN AND PERHAPS BUILD AN UNDERGROUND PARKING GARAGE OR MAYBE A PARKING GARAGE ABOVE A BUILDING WITH THE FIRST FLOOR USE STILL BEING THERE, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED. THAT'S WHY THAT IS ON THE LIST THERE.

SO THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER REASONS THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS LOOKED AT FOR INCLUDING WHAT WE DID ON THERE. AND I'M HAPPY WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THE LIST, WITH THE ADDITIONS THAT COUNCIL LADY MORRIS TALKED ABOUT WITH THE OFFICES, THE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS.

I LIKE THE DIVERSITY OF USES THAT COUNCILMAN BASS TALKED ABOUT, SO I'M FINE WITH THIS LIST AS PRESENTED HERE AND MOVING FORWARD WITH IT.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANKS, SIR.

I BELIEVE I'VE CLEARED THE QUEUE ON THIS ITEM.

OH NO. HANG ON, HANG ON.

HANG ON. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMS YEAH.

THANKS, MAYOR. IF COUNCIL LADY MORRIS WOULD BE SO INCLINED TO WHAT WOULD WOULD WOULD LIKE TO POSTPONE THIS FOR OUR NEXT MEETING SO THAT I CAN HAVE SOME DISCUSSION WITH HER AND AND STAFF, YOU KNOW, JUST TO CLEAR UP, I'M NOT HONESTLY I'M NOT COMFORTABLE.

I'M NOT ALL IN.

AND I DON'T LIKE TO REALLY VOTE WHEN I'M NOT ALL IN.

YOU GET YOU GET TRIPPED UP WHEN YOU DO THAT AND I TRY TO DO THAT.

BUT I UNDERSTAND THE WORK THAT THAT HER COMMITTEE HAS DONE ON THIS AND AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO HER COMMITTEE, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO THE TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS.

BUT IF SHE'S SO INCLINED, I WOULD REQUEST SO THAT WHEN WE DO BLOW THE WHISTLE ON THIS, WE ALL CAN BE ALL IN AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE WITH COUNCIL LADY MORRIS.

I WOULD LIKE TO BE ALL IN.

TOTALLY. SO THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THAT WOULD BE MY REQUEST.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

COUNCILOR MORRIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. WHILE I THINK IN SOME CASES YOU CAN END UP MAKING A HASH OUT

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OF SAUSAGE MAKING, THAT GOES ON TOO LONG, I DO RESPECT MY COLLEAGUE'S CONCERNS AND REQUESTS, AND SO I WILL I WILL MOVE TO POSTPONE THIS UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING FOR DISCUSSION. OK.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL LADY MORRIS TO PROPOSE TO POSTPONE THIS TO OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DATE IS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

THAT'S KIND OF MY POINT OF [INAUDIBLE].

OK, WE WILL POSTPONE THIS TO OUR OCTOBER 12TH REGULAR MEETING, ACCORDING TO THE CITY MANAGER. I'M GOING TO TRUST HIS CALENDAR SKILLS AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE TO POSTPONE. MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU COULD PREPARE THE VOTE FOR US, PLEASE AND COUNCIL VOTE.

COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN COUNCIL MEMBER BASS.

OK, WE'LL GO.

I'M NOT SEEING ALL THE VOTES REGISTERING, SO WE'LL GO.

SIMPLE HAND VOTE.

IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, THAT WOULD BE UNANIMOUS, I WAS ABOUT TO HAVE TO RUN UPSTAIRS TO GET MY VOTING PADDLE REAL QUICK, YOU KNOW.

ALL RIGHT. WE WILL POSTPONE THIS ITEM THAT BRINGS US TO THANK YOU, WILL.

THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 11 CITIZEN COMMENTS.

[11. Citizen comments]

MADAM SECRETARY, DO WE HAVE A SPEAKER FOR THIS ITEM? WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.

OK, WE'LL MAKE THE CALL.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE AT 8:37 WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.