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GOOD AFTERNOON,

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EVERYONE.

IT IS 5:10 PM ON SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2021.

[Transportation Infrastructure Mobility Committee Meeting on September 21, 2021.]

THIS IS THE GROWING CITY COUNCIL, TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY COMMITTEE MEETING.

MY NAME IS RICH ALBAN.

I AM THE CHAIR I HAVE WITH ME TODAY.

MAYOR PRO TEM HEDRICK AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE IS NOT WITH US AT THE MOMENT, BUT HOPEFULLY HE WILL JOIN US.

AND SO WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED? AND THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE JULY 20TH, 2021 MEETING MINUTES MOVED TO APPROVE.

UH, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

I'LL SECOND THAT ON FAVOR.

AYE.

THE MEETING MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

UH, NUMBER TWO ON THE AGENDA IS DISCUSSION REGARDING SPEED HUMP POLICY.

MR. LUCKY.

THANKS.

WHAT IS HABIT? SO I WAS GOING TO GO BACK OVER, UH, SOME OF THE STUFF WE'VE GONE OVER BEFORE, BUT, UM, I KNOW Y'ALL ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

SO I'LL JUST SKIP THROUGH THIS ME TC DISCUSSION AND JUST START WITH THIS ONE.

UM, SO THE, THE, JUST TO, JUST TO REITERATE THAT THE MAIN CAUSES OF SPEEDING ON, ON STREETS IS, IS WHEN YOU GOT ALONG, ALONG STRAIGHT, FLAT WIDE STREET, THAT'S IF PEOPLE KNOW HOW NOW PAST, THEY SHOULD TRAVEL ON THE STREET, AND THERE'S A FEELING THAT YOU GET WHEN YOU'RE COMFORTABLE DRIVING ON THE STREET AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THESE MAIN ATTRIBUTES.

SO OF COURSE THE OTHER, THE WAYS TO COMBAT THAT IS BY EITHER A HORIZONTAL OR VERTICAL DIVERSION.

UM, WE COULD DO THAT THROUGH SPEED HUMPS, ROUNDABOUTS, CHICANES, CHOKERS DIVERTERS.

THE MAIN TWO THAT WE'VE USED IN GARLAND IS, IS BOTH, UH, SPEED, HUMPS AND ROUNDABOUTS.

WE'VE GOT A FEW ROUNDABOUTS, UM, BUT SPEED HUMPS ARE KIND OF OUR MAIN, UH, GO-TO ON THE, ON THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL STREETS.

UM, THE, WHAT WE DO AS FAR AS, UH, IT'S A VERY CITIZEN LED PROGRAM, THIS WAS THE PREVIOUS PROGRAM UNTIL A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WHEN THE COMMITTEE MADE SOME CHANGES, WHICH I'LL GO OVER ON THE NEXT SLIDE, BUT THE CITIZEN COMES IN, THEY REQUEST A SPEED HUMP.

UM, WE'LL, WE'LL EVALUATE THAT LOCATION JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DOESN'T CAUSE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS AND CREATE, UH, ISSUES WITH BEING TOO CLOSE TO A FIRE HYDRANT OR OVER A MANHOLE OR, UH, TOO CLOSE TO AN INTERSECTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

PREPARE THE SURVEY FORMS WE'LL PUT TOGETHER, UH, GENERALLY WITHIN ABOUT 500 FEET OF AN N OF A, OF A WHERE THE SPEED HUMPS GOING TO GO.

80% OF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE TO AGREE AND SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE, BASICALLY THAT, YEAH, I WANT TO SPEED HUMP THERE.

UM, THE CITIZEN THEN GOES OUT, GETS, GETS THE SIGNATURES.

IF THEY GET ALL THE 80% SIGNATURES, THEY, WE, THEY BRING THAT BACK IN.

WE VERIFY IT.

THEN THE CITIZEN HAS TO PAY $700 PER HUMP AND THEN WE'LL INSTALL THE HUB.

THE CHANGES THAT Y'ALL MADE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, UM, WAS TO REQUIRE A SPEED STUDY WHEN THE CITIZEN MAKES THE REQUEST.

UM, WE HAD DISCUSSED, UM, WHAT GENERALLY, WHAT THE THRESHOLD WOULD BE.

WE'VE GOTTEN A COUPLE OF, A COUPLE OF THESE DONE.

NOW.

I THINK ONE OF THEM CAME OUT A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN 30 MILES AN HOUR.

ONE CAME OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

UM, I WOULD PROPOSE, AND I I'D LIKE TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU GUYS ON WHAT, UH, IF, IF I WOULD, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT IF, IF THE SPEED LIMIT IS, IF, IF THE 85TH PERCENTILE SPEED COMES BACK AT 30 MILES AN HOUR OR BELOW THAT WE, THAT THE PROCESS JUST ENDS THERE AND THERE'S NOT REALLY A SPEEDING PROBLEM, THERE'S NO REASON TO PUT SPEED HUMPS OUT THERE.

AND SO IT WOULD JUST, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO FURTHER IN THE PROCESS, BUT IF IT WAS ABOVE THAT, THEN THEY COULD, UM, THE SECOND THING WAS TO ELIMINATE THE TYPE F STREETS.

UM, THE ONE ISSUE WITH THAT IS WE, I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD A REQUEST FOR ANOTHER SPEED HUMP ON COUNTRY CLUB IN 25 YEARS.

AND AFTER WE, AFTER WE PASSED THIS, WE HAD A REQUEST FOR ONE-ON-ONE TOUCH CLUB.

SO, UM, AND I W W BUT, AND IN THE COUNCIL, WHEN WE, WHEN WE TOOK IT TO COUNCIL, AND THIS IS PROBABLY MY FAULT, I GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT WE WERE, WHAT WE WERE GETTING THE APPROVAL ON THE WHOLE COUNCIL FOR.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE GOT APPROVAL FOR COUNTRY CLUBS, SPECIFICALLY.

WE DID ELIMINATE THE TYPE F STREETS.

SO I, I'M JUST ASKING FOR A LITTLE DIRECTION ON THAT.

UM, SO I'LL LEAVE IT, I'LL LEAVE IT THERE.

AND THEN, AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT IF THERE'S QUESTIONS OR THINGS YOU, I WANT TO COMMENT ON.

AND THEN I CAN GO ON WITH, UH, WITH THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SPEED HUBS THAT WE LOOKED AT.

AND THE REASONING FOR THAT TYPE FRG WAS FOR FIRE ACCESS AND IS MORE

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OF THE MAIN STREET RATHER THAN THE RIGHT, THE TYPE F THE TYPE F AND G F IN PARTICULAR IS A COLLECTOR STREET.

AND G IS KIND OF A COLLECTOR STREET, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN A RESIDENTIAL STREET, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF BETWEEN A COLLECTOR AND A RESIDENTIAL STREET.

SO THAT'S WHY WE LEFT THAT ONE.

UM, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY COUNTRY CLUB IS A COUNTRY CLUB REALLY FUNCTIONED AS A TYPE F STREET.

I THINK IT'S MORE THE WIDTH OF ACTUAL WIDTH THAT IT IS THAT MAKES IT A TYPE G.

UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S MUCH MORE OF A COLLECTOR STREET THAN SOME OF THE TYPE F STREETS WE HAVE DEFINITION.

AND WHY IS IT MIGHT NOT FIT IN THAT, BUT IT SERVES AS UPPER RIGHT.

IT'S BUMPED UP.

UM, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE SPEED STAGE.

I MEAN, THERE'S 85% OTHER, NO SPEED PROBLEM, THEN THERE'S NO SPEEDING PROBLEM.

IT'S THE DATA'S RIGHT THERE.

I MEAN, IT HAD A SPEED STUDY DONE IN ONE OF MY NEIGHBORHOODS AND EVERYONE COULD THAT EVERYONE'S 10 MILES AN HOUR OR 20 MILE NUMBER OR THE SPEED LIMIT.

AND WHEN IT CAME BACK, I THINK THERE WAS ONLY ONE OUT OF THE WHOLE STUDY THAT WAS EVEN 10 MILES OVER.

SO I'M FINE WITH THAT, ADDING THAT SPEED STUDY POLICY AND AGREED NOT.

AND I THINK THAT THAT FOLLOWS ALONG WITH THE CONCEPT OF TRENDING AWAY FROM SPEED HUMPS HAVE ALMOST BEEN AN AMENITY IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AS OPPOSED TO A, THIS IS LIKE SOMETHING NECESSARY.

AND IT, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE LAST MAJOR MEETING ON THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT I THINK THAT I THINK THE DIRECTION WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HEAD OVER THE KIND OF LONG-TERM IS THAT, THAT IT'S THE CITY'S RESPONSE.

IF THERE'S ACTUAL SPEEDING, IT'S THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTROL SPEEDING.

UM, AND SO, AND IF THERE'S NOT AN ACTUAL SPEEDING, THEN WE SHOULDN'T BE PUTTING SPEED HUMPS ON.

UM, SO I, I MEAN, I'D BE HAPPY WITH, IF IT COMES, IF THE 85TH PERCENTILE IS BELOW, OR EVEN IF IT'S WITHIN, I DON'T KNOW, 10% OR FIVE MILES AN HOUR OR SOMETHING.

I MEAN, CAUSE NO, I DON'T KNOW A SINGLE, I DON'T REALLY ANY, ANY OFFICERS IN THIS CITY WHO ARE GOING TO WRITE SOMEBODY FOR TWO OR THREE OR FOUR MILES OVER.

I MEAN, I KNOW SOME GUYS ARE LIKE, IF IT'S NOT 10 MILES AN HOUR OVER, THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT.

IT MIGHT, THEM MIGHT BE LOWER THAN THAT ON A RESIDENTIAL STREET, MAYBE SIX OR SEVEN, BUT IF YOU'RE WITHIN A COUPLE MILES AN HOUR, I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T REALLY, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD REALLY BE DOING MUCH ENFORCEMENT THERE.

WHAT, WHAT I WOULD SAY.

SO I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, BUT IF WE SAY, IF IT'S, IF THE 85TH PERCENTILE IS WITHIN 10 TO 15% OF THE POSTED SPEED, THEN WE'RE FINE.

UM, BUT I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH JUST USING THE, JUST USING THE POSTERS PIECE 30 ON THE ONES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO IF, IF, IF IT'S, IF IT'S 30 OR BELOW, THEN IT'S FINE.

IF IT'S, IF IT'S 31 EVEN, I MEAN, I, THEN THEY, AND THEY WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THEN, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S ON A RESIDENTIAL STREET, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S A BIG ISSUE, BUT I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE, I MEAN, CAUSE LIKE I, I GUESS I SAY THAT BECAUSE I CAN JUST THE SPEED LIMITS, THE SPEED LIMIT.

SO I CAN JUSTIFY THAT I HEAR YOU THE 10 OR 15 OR IF IT'S FIVE, I MEAN, THEN IT'S LIKE, THEN IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE RACING THE SPEED LIMIT.

LIKE WE'RE SAYING IT'S OKAY IF YOU'RE RIGHT.

I GOT YA.

OKAY.

THAT'S FAIR.

UM, NOW IF THE 15%, CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO WAIT, ARE YOU FIFTH PERCENTILE? AND IN, IN WHAT I WOULD DO IS ALMOST AS A CUSTOMER SERVICE THING, IT'S LIKE, YES, THE 85TH PERCENTILE WAS 30, BUT YEAH, YOU DO HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO SPEED HERE, WE'LL REFER THIS TO YOUR NPO.

RIGHT.

KIND OF THING, JUST AS A CUSTOMER SERVICE.

THEN THE, FOR US, WHEN WE HAVE THAT, WE'VE HAD THE MPO GO OUT THERE AND SIT THERE FOR EIGHT HOURS AND YOU KNOW, HE WROTE TWO TICKETS OR SOMETHING, BUT THOSE TWO PEOPLE WHERE THE PROBLEM.

YEAH.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT YOU RUN INTO IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE SMALLER STREETS.

IT'S LIKE, IT'S THE ONE GUY AT 5 35 EVERY MORNING, YOU KNOW, GOING DOWN.

SO, UH, AND WAIT.

AND THE THING ABOUT THE SPEED STUDY WE CAN, IF IT IS, IF IT IS AT THE SAME TIME EVERY DAY, WE'LL, WE'LL CAPTURE THAT ON THE SPEED STUDY.

IT'S JUST EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.

SO EXACTLY IT WILL HELP, YOU KNOW, WHERE HOPEFULLY THE COP WOULDN'T HAVE TO SIT US OUT THERE FOR, AND I THINK IT'S FUN AND IT'S, AND IT'S A GOOD TOOL TO VALIDATE FOR FOLKS.

IT'S LIKE, HERE'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YES.

THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO GO TOO FAST, BUT BY AND LARGE, NO, IT'S NOT.

SO, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE TOOLS WE HAVE AVAILABLE FOR YOU, WHICH IS WE HAVE AN NPO AND TRAFFIC UNIT AND OTHER STUFF WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.

RIGHT.

I THINK WE W I THINK THEY EVEN HAVE SPEED.

WE HAVE SPEED TRAILERS TOO SOMEWHERE, BUT AT TWO SPEED TRAILER WE USE, AND WE COULD, I THINK WE DID TALK ABOUT OFFERING THAT UP.

AND THAT'S TYPICALLY

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WHAT WE WOULD DO IF IT'S LESS THAN 30 OR 30 OR LESS THAN WE COULD OFFER THAT UP, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING SOMETHING.

SO IT'S USUALLY, USUALLY IF YOU DO SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE THAT AT LEAST RIGHT, IT MAKES THEM OKAY WITH IT.

SO, UM, ON THE EFFORT MIGHT TAKE AWAY WAS THAT COUNTRY CLUB WAS COUNTRY CLUB WAS KIND OF THE TEXTBOOK EXAMPLE OF A STREET THAT HAS TOO MANY SPEED HUMPS.

AND, AND AS A RESULT, UM, CREATES A HIGHER RISK OF DELAYED RESPONSE TIME FROM EMERGENCY VEHICLES OVER A LARGER POPULATION.

AND THAT WAS, UH, I MEAN, THE WHOLE CONCEPT BETWEEN THAT AS THESE COLLECTOR STREETS, IF YOU PUT A, IF YOU PUT A SPEED BUMP ON SOME OF OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR LOWEST GRADE RESIDENTIAL STREET, YOU'RE AFFECTING, YOU'RE AFFECTING ONLY THE HOUSES THAT HAD VOTED FOR IT AFFECTED PRETTY MUCH LIKE, YOU KNOW, 10 HOUSES OR WHATEVER, BUT IF YOU PUT IT ON, YOU KNOW, THE SPEED BUMPS ON GLEN BROOK AND COUNTRY CLUB, OR THE ONES THAT, YOU KNOW, I GET THE REQUESTS ALL THE TIME FOR SPEED BUMPS ON, UM, PATRICIA BROADMORE.

OH, OKAY.

AND IT, AND THOSE WOULD IMPACT, UM, YOU KNOW, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.

RIGHT.

SO I THINK SO IN MY MIND, I THOUGHT THAT COUNTRY CLUB WAS, WAS OFF THE LIST FOR NEW SPEED HUMPS.

AND IN FACT, IF WE WERE TO PILOT, SOME OTHER KIND OF PROGRAM WHERE WITH CHICANES OR THE, THE OFFSET SPEED HUMPS THAT, UM, UH, THAT THE, THAT, THAT, UH, CHIEF LEE HAD SUGGESTED THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE STREET WHERE I'D SUGGEST THAT TO HAPPEN.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE NEXT ON HERE.

I FIGURED THAT WAS PROBABLY AN X.

SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE SO ANYWAY, SO THAT'S THAT'S YEAH.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY TAKE ON THAT.

DO YOU AGREE ON COUNTRY CLUB? YEAH, I I'M DRIVEN THAT.

IT'S YEAH.

IT'S THE CRAZIEST SPEED HUMP SYSTEM.

IT'S LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO PUT A SPEED HUMP AT A STOP SIGN AND THEN ANOTHER ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

THAT WAS UNFAIR.

THAT WOULDN'T, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WENT IN BEFORE THE, UH, THE POLICY, THE FACT, I THINK THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE POLICY, UH, IS BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED DOWN THERE AND THAT'S IT, WE WOULD DEFINITELY NOT WANT TO DO THAT AGAIN.

I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU ACTUALLY TOOK OUT THE SPEED HUMP.

SO WHAT WE DID ACTUALLY, I MEAN, WHEN, WHEN STEVE OVERLAYED IT, UH, NOT TOO LONG AGO AND THEY HAD TO TAKE THEM OUT BECAUSE OF THAT.

AND I MEAN, WITHIN TWO, THREE WEEKS, I THINK AFTER Y'ALL GOT DONE, IT WAS, WE STARTED GETTING PHONE CALLS FROM PEOPLE GOING, WHEN ARE, Y'ALL GOING TO PUT THOSE BACK IN, RIGHT.

Y'ALL GONNA PUT THOSE.

I MEAN, IT WAS, THEY, PEOPLE WERE PANICKING BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT WE WEREN'T GOING TO PUT THE SPEED HUMPS BACK IN.

SO I REMEMBER THAT I DON'T KNOW THE WEEKEND AND I'M NOT, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD PARTICULARLY IS, IS REMOVING THEM OR EVEN CHANGING THEM, I THINK, IS GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE.

SO FAIR ENOUGH.

WE CAN TRY.

YEAH.

WELL, WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES FOR, FOR COUNCIL MEMBER.

MOORE'S HISTORY, HAVE THE TOWN HALL, IF YOU BRING IT UP, BRING THAT, UM, HE'S, HE'S, HE'S GONE TODAY.

MAYBE YOU CAN JUST VOTE NOW AND WRITE.

YEAH, WE'RE GONE.

YEAH.

I'M GOING TO GO ON FOR THE PELLETS.

GO AHEAD AND KEEP GOING.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, UH, SO THE OTHER, THE OTHER ITEM THAT Y'ALL WANTED ME TO LOOK AT WAS, WAS LOOKING INTO SOME OF THE, UH, DIFFERENT TYPES OF SPEED HUMPS THAT CHIEF LEE HAD HAD, HAD, UH, SENT ON.

AND, AND THEY WERE, THEY WERE ACTUALLY VERY HELPFUL.

UM, AND THERE'S THREE THAT I, THAT I WANT TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT, THAT WERE OF INTEREST, UM, AND THAT THE ONES THAT HE SENT, UM, AND I'LL KIND OF GO IN ORDER OF, OF MAYBE LEAST FAVORITE TO MOST FAVORITE.

UM, THIS ONE, THIS ONE WAS ONE, AND I THINK THERE WAS ONLY A PAPER.

I COULDN'T FIND WHERE ANYBODY ACTUALLY PUT ONE OF THESE IN.

SO I, I WOULD, I WOULD CALL IT A LITTLE MORE THEORETICAL AND I THINK I KNOW WHY, BUT IT'S BASICALLY, IT'S BASICALLY A SPEED HUMP WITH, AND THIS IS A SPEED TABLE, WHICH IS JUST SPEED UP WITH A FLAT TOP BASICALLY, UM, WITH WHEEL SLOTS SO THAT THE, THE FIRE TRUCK COULD DRIVE THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT WITHOUT ENCOUNTERING ANY KIND OF A BUMP AT ALL.

UM, BUT THEN THERE'S A MEDIAN THAT THEY HAVE IN THE VERY CENTER, UM, THAT THEY, THEY HAVE A SEVEN INCH MEANING, WHICH IS, I THINK OUR NORMAL CURVES ARE SIX INCH.

SO IT'S TALLER THAN A CURB.

THE IDEA IS THAT THE FIRETRUCK IS TALL ENOUGH AND IT HAS ENOUGH CLEARANCE TO WHERE IT COULD DRIVE OVER THE MIDDLE, BUT A CAR COULDN'T.

UM, THE, THE, THE THING THAT WOULD GIVE ME HEARTBURN ABOUT THIS IS I THINK PEOPLE

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WOULD BE RUNNING INTO IT ALL THE TIME.

UM, PEOPLE RUN INTO CURBS ALL THE TIME.

PEOPLE RUN INTO THE THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY OUT THERE THAT ARE NORMAL, THAT THEY EXPECT, AND, AND THEY STILL RUN INTO THOSE.

THIS IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.

UM, I THINK WE'D BE GETTING COMPLAINTS CONSTANTLY FROM PEOPLE HAVING CLAIMS AGAINST THE CITY SAYING YOU PUT THIS OUT THERE AND IT'S JUST A HA I MEAN, IT IT'S, AND THERE'S THE THING ABOUT THIS THAT WE NORMALLY, WHEN WE HAVE A MEETING AND IT'S GOT SIGNS ON IT, THAT'S GOT TREES, IT'S GOT VEGETATION, IT'S GOT LIGHT POLES.

UM, AND THERE'S SIGNS LITERALLY AT THE FRONT OF IT, TYPICALLY THAT WE PUT THERE THAT SAY IT, HEY, HERE'S A MEDIAN.

UM, WE COULDN'T DO THAT WITH THIS BECAUSE IT'S GOTTA BE MADE FOR THE TROUT FIRETRUCK TO GO OVER IT.

SO, UM, FOR, FOR ALL THOSE REASONS, I'M NOT A, NOT A BIG FAN OF THIS ONE.

UM, AND, AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT, LIKE I SAID, I COULDN'T FIND ANYWHERE WHERE ANYBODY ACTUALLY PUT ONE OF THESE IN.

SO THAT KIND OF TELLS ME TOO, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, MAYBE IT'S NOT SUCH A GREAT IDEA THAT WOULDN'T STOP THE SPEEDING F-150 DOWN THE STREET, EITHER DRY.

IT THAT'S.

THE OTHER THING IS THERE'S SO MANY TRUCKS IN TEXAS THAT, THAT RIDES ADDITION, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF VEHICLES THAT IT WOULDN'T AFFECT AT ALL.

SO IN FACT, IF THEY SAW AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE DOING THAT, THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE LIKE, YEAH, THAT'LL WORK.

YEAH.

UH, THE SECOND THING IS, IS A SPEED CUSHION.

UH, THESE ARE MADE OUT OF RUBBER THERE.

I'VE SEEN THESE, I KNOW FORT WORTH HAS SOME I'VE SEEN, I THINK I'VE SAW SOME IN PLANO.

UH, I'VE SEEN THEM IN AUSTIN.

UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BASICALLY BOLTED TO THE CONCRETE THEY CAN BE MADE, SO THAT THEY'RE JUST WIDE ENOUGH TO WHERE A FIRE TRUCK COULD DRIVE OVER THEM WITHOUT ENCOUNTERING A HUMP.

UM, VEHICLES COULD ALSO AT LEAST GET ONE WHEEL THROUGH THERE.

UM, THE, OR THEY DEFINITELY WOULD BE VERY FRIENDLY TO THE FIRE TRUCKS.

UM, THEY WOULDN'T REALLY SLOW THEM DOWN AT ALL.

THE, THE, THE, THE, THE OTHER SIDE OF IT THOUGH, IS THAT THEY DON'T REALLY SLOW THE CARS DOWN EITHER.

SO, AND THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF THE DATA WAS SHOWING THAT I WAS LOOKING AT WAS THAT THEY REALLY AREN'T VERY EFFECTIVE AT SLOWING CARS.

I MEAN, IF, IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAD A SPEEDING PROBLEM WHERE PEOPLE WERE GOING 40 MILES AN HOUR, AND YOU WANTED TO AT LEAST CUT IT DOWN TO LIKE 33 34 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I THINK IT WAS EFFECTIVE FOR THAT.

BUT AS FAR AS TRYING TO GET THEM ACTUALLY BELOW THE SPEED LIMIT, IT DIDN'T REALLY DO THAT.

SO, UM, I THINK IT COULD WORK IN CERTAIN LIMITED CERTAIN, CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT, UM, I, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD, IT WOULDN'T BE A REPLACEMENT FOR SPEED HUMPS.

I THINK IN MOST PLACES IT WOULD BE JUST AS WELL NOT TO PUT ANYTHING THERE THAN TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THE OTHER, THE OTHER ISSUE I KNOW.

AND JUST TALKING TO SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES THAT HAVE PUT THESE IN AS THEY ARE BOLTED DOWN, AS YOU CAN SEE IN ONE OF THE PICTURES HERE, UM, THOSE BOLT, NO MATTER HOW MUCH POXY ANYTHING THEY'RE GONNA WORK THEIR WAY OUT, THEY BECOME KIND OF A HAZARD TO RETIRES.

AS YOU DRIVE OVER THEM, THEY CAN PUNCTURE A TIRE.

SO, UM, NOT A CONSTANT PROBLEM, BUT IT IS SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO KIND OF A MAINTENANCE ISSUE THAT YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND CONSTANTLY BE SCREWING THE SCREWS BACK DOWN.

AND SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GOT SOME ISSUES TOO, BUT, UH, LIKE I SAID, IT COULD BE, IT COULD WORK IN CERTAIN, CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.

IT IS SOMETHING TO, I THINK YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, DOING, UM, TEMPORARY SPEED HUMPS.

THIS WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD USE IF WE WANTED TO DO A TEMPORARY SPEED HUMP, BUT IT'S NOT A, UM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, THAT SHE COULD PUT OUT THERE REAL EASILY, BUT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT WOULD WORK TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU COULD CUT, YOU COULD TAKE IT OUT.

UM, AND THEN LASTLY, AND THIS ONE ACTUALLY, I THINK HAS A LITTLE PROMISE.

UM, IT'S ALMOST KIND OF A COMBINATION BETWEEN A CHICANE AND A, UH, AND SPEED HOPS.

IT'S OFFSET SPEED HUMPS.

THEY'RE ABOUT 50 FEET APART.

UM, THE CITY OF PORTLAND, WHICH, WHICH ACTUALLY HAS PIONEERED MOST OF THE TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES, UM, LOOKED AT THIS AND THEY DID A LITTLE RESEARCH, UM, KIND OF IN-HOUSE ON, ON THESE.

THIS WAS THE FIRST ITERATION THEY DID, AND THEY, AND THEY PUT THIS OUT THERE.

THEY THEY'VE ACTUALLY GOT A, THEY CALL IT A MEDIAN.

IT'S NOT REALLY A MEDIAN, CAUSE IT'S NOT RAISED.

IT'S REALLY JUST PAINT.

IT'S, IT'S A DOUBLE, DOUBLE YELLOW LINE OR TWO, TWO DOUBLE YELLOW LINES NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

UM, AND THEN THEY ALSO PUT SOME LARGER THAN NORMAL, UH, PAVEMENT MARKING PAPER, UH, RACE PAVEMENT MARKINGS ON THERE, KIND OF THE BIG BUTTONS, NOT THE HUGE BUTTONS, BUT THE KIND OF THE MEDIUM SIZED ONES TO WHERE IF YOU DROVE OVER THOSE, YOU COULD DRIVE OVER THERE ON A FIRE TRUCK.

AND IT WOULDN'T BE, UM, JUST CAUSE OF

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THE BIGGER WHEELS ON A FIRETRUCK.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FEEL IT AS MUCH AS A CAR WOULD.

SO A FIRETRUCK CAN, CAN GO AROUND THE, AROUND THE SPEED HUMPS AND KIND OF LIKE AN EXTRA CANE, BUT IT DOESN'T SLOW THEM DOWN NEAR AS MUCH.

UM, THE ONLY, AND SO IN THE RESEARCH AND THE, AND THEIR EXPERIMENTS, THEY DID THE, THE FIRE, THE FARM AND LOVED THEM.

THE, THE TRAFFIC GUYS LOVED HIM BECAUSE IT WORKED, IT ACTUALLY SLOW THE CARS DOWN AND IT ACTUALLY DIDN'T SLOW THE FIRE TRUCKS DOWN.

SO EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY.

BUT THE CATCH IS YOU HAVE TO BAN PARKING A LOT FROM, FOR THIS SECTION AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST A 40 FOOT WIDE STREET.

AND THAT'S KIND OF THE REAL KICKER, CAUSE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE MANY 41 40 FOOT WIDE STREETS AND DEFINITELY NOT THE ONES IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

SO, UM, BUT THEY CAME BACK AND THEY SAID, WELL, WHAT IF WE JUST DON'T PUT THE BD IN PART IN? AND THEY DID THAT.

AND THAT, THAT SEEMED TO SHOW PROMISE.

AND IT SEEMED LIKE FROM THE DATA THAT IT ACTUALLY WORKED PRETTY WELL, IT WASN'T, IT'S NOT AS, IT'S STILL NOT AS GOOD AS A, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF SLOWING CARS DOWN AS A SPEED HUMP, BUT IT DID, IT DIDN'T WORK TO SLOW THE CARS DOWN.

AND IT KINDA MAKES SENSE BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT'S KIND OF A COMBINATION BETWEEN A CHICANE AND A SPEED HUMP.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU CAN STILL GO, IT IT'S REALLY MADE SO THAT THE CARS GO OVER THIS OVER THE SPEED HUMP, WHICH YOU GET THE FULL EFFECT THERE.

UM, OR IF THE CAR GOES AROUND IT, THEN IT'S A CHICANE AND YOU GET THE, YOU GET THE LATERAL DIVERSION.

AND SO THAT SLOWS THE CAR DOWN TOO.

SO, UM, I THINK IT COULD WORK.

I, I, I NEED TO, I NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE DIGGING TO SEE, I COULDN'T FIND WHERE THEY REALLY STARTED PUTTING THESE IN AND THEY, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY CONVERTED OVER TO THIS, SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY, BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY WORTH EXPLORING FURTHER.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT.

YEAH.

WHAT A TYPICAL ROADWAY WITH ON A 36 PAVEMENT IS THAT OUR MOST FIRST DAY YOU SAID YOU NEED 40, ARE WE 35 OR WHAT'S OUR WELL, SO TIP COLLECTOR I THINK IS TYPICALLY 36 FEET.

UM, RESIDENTIAL STREETS ARE 27 FEET.

SO I MEAN, SO WITH YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR PARKING ON BOTH SIDES, YOU'VE GOT ONE LANE DOWN THE MIDDLE.

UM, SO IF HE HAD, IF HE HAD PARKING ON A 27 FOOT STRAIGHT AND YOU HAD THIS ON A, ON A RESIDENTIAL STREET, YOU, YOU WOULD ESSENTIALLY GO OVER WITH ONE WHEEL, YOU KNOW, ONE WAY ON THIS WAY.

AND THEN ONE WHEEL THAT WAY, AND THE FIRE TRUCKS WOULD HAVE TO DO THE SAME, BUT THE FIRETRUCKS, BECAUSE THEY'RE BIGGER, BIGGER VEHICLES, EVEN IF THEY HAD TO GO OVER IT WITH ONE WHEEL, THE EFFECT IS LIKE, IS SUBSTANTIALLY.

I MEAN, IT'S LATE.

YOU DON'T FIGURE IT GETS HALF THE WHEELS, BUT, BUT THE EFFECT OF IS LESS THAN HALF.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY STILL A LOT BETTER FOR THE FIRE TRUCKS.

IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF WE COULD FIND A SPOT IN THE CITY TO PILOT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, JUST TO TRY IT.

AND THEN IT BECOMES AS PART OF THE POLICY, IF YOU WANT TO SPEED HUMP ON YOUR COLLECTOR STREET, THEN YOU'VE GOT TO AGREE TO A NO PARKING ZONE OF, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED FEET OR SO IN THE AREA WHERE THE TWO HUMPS WOULD BE.

BECAUSE I TRY TO THINK OF LIKE, YEAH, THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD, I THINK WOULD WANT JUST FROM I GET, WHO WOULD WANT THE PARKING SP HOMES WOULD ALSO AGREE TO THE NO PARKING AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY JUST WANT A BRIGHT, PERFECTLY CLEAR STREET IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE.

YEAH.

THE IDEA THAT NOBODY CAN PARK IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.

EXACTLY.

OH, YOU ALWAYS GET SOMEBODY.

I MEAN, THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEBODY WHO'S LIKE, WELL, BUT I MEAN, AT LEAST IT PROVIDES AN INTERESTING, UH, PRIDES AND OPTION FOR THEM TO HAVE THEM.

UM, WELL, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF LIKE, WHAT'S OUR LIABILITY FOR PEOPLE WHO GO AROUND IT AND I MEAN, OFFS, THEY'RE GOING DRIVING ON THE WRONG SIDE AND YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT ALREADY.

PEOPLE PARK ON THE WRONG SIDE AND MARSHALL'S ARE HANDLING THAT.

I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I, THERE'S NOT A, UH, I MEAN ON THESE RESIDENTIAL STREETS, WE TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE A DOUBLE YELLOW DOWN THE MIDDLE.

RIGHT.

I MEAN, IF THERE WAS THEN YEAH, THEY'D BE VIOLATED.

MAYBE THEY WOULD BE GOING ON THE WRONG SIDE.

I MEAN, I HAD THE QUESTION FOR THE POLICE, WHETHER THEY, WHETHER THEY WOULD EVER GIVE A TICKET FOR SOMEBODY DRIVING.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S NO LINE, HOW DO YOU, HOW FAR OVER IS TO GO TOO FAR? I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.

YEAH.

I SUPPOSE THAT YOU COULD, I MEAN, IF YOU SIGNED IT WITH A, IF YOU DID HAVE SOME KIND OF MEDIA IN, OR FO MEDIA IN THERE WITH THE, WHAT IS THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE ARROW THAT GOES TO

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THE RIGHT OF IT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO STAY RIGHT ON THAT.

MAYBE THAT'S A VIOLATION OR SOMETHING.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LIABILITY WOULD BE.

THE PROBABLY I DON'T KNOW IS THIS IS JUST CAUSE WE'RE PUTTING THIS IN.

RIGHT.

IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

AND, AND IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE MR. ENGLAND WAS LIKE, I DON'T THINK Y'ALL ARE GOING TO NEED ME FOR THIS MEETING.

COULD I JUST GO UPSTAIRS? AND I'M LIKE, WE WON'T BE TALKING LEGAL STUFF WHO GO AHEAD.

HE'S COMING DOWN.

I, I THINK, WELL, I WILL SAY THE 40 FEET IS WHAT YOU NEEDED FOR THE FIRE TRUCK TO BE ABLE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND IT.

SO IF IT WAS, IF IT'S LESS THAN A 40 FOOT STREET, THE FIRE TRUCK WOULD BE, THEY'D BE GETTING ONE WHEEL ON, JUST TRY AND SEE.

AND I'M JUST TERRIBLE WITH MEASUREMENTS LIKE THAT.

CAUSE IF YOU ASKED ME, I WOULD SAY, GLEN BROOK IS WIDER THAN 40 FEET.

I'M SURE IT'S, UH, I'M AT THE BENCH.

I MEANT, ACTUALLY MEANT TO MEASURE THAT WHILE AGO.

I KNOW IT'S NOT 40.

I I'D BE SURPRISED IF IT'S EVEN 36.

IT'S IT'S PRETTY NARROW.

UH, YEAH.

I'M NOT REALLY, I'M NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF MEASURING THINGS.

SO I DON'T KNOW, UH, 20 FEET MAKES SENSE.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE WIDTH OF A STANDARD FIRE LANE, SO THAT'S YEAH.

IF THE COMMITTEE WANTS, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S GLENBROOK OR SOMETHING ELSE GO OUT AND TRY TO FIND A GOOD STREET THAT MIGHT BE A PILOT FOR IT.

UM, OR EVEN BEFORE WE DID THAT, WE COULD, WE COULD POSSIBLY DO, IF WE COULD FIND A, LIKE A PARKING LOT OR, OR A, OR A KIND OF A, UH, A NON STREET TEST AREA WHERE WE COULD, WHERE THE FIRETRUCKS, YOU KNOW, TRY IT OUT AND SEE THAT'S WHAT THEY DID IN PORTLAND WAS THEY, THEY DID IT IN, UH, ON A, IT WAS LIKE THE SERVICE CENTER PARKING LOT.

WE DO THAT OVER AT FIRE ADMINISTRATION OR SOMETHING.

DO WE HAVE 40 FOOT WIDE PAVEMENT THERE? PROBABLY NOT.

YEAH.

MAYBE AT SOME PARTS OF IT.

I MEAN, WE CAN FIND, WE DO IT.

I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO KINDS OF TESTS RIGHT THERE.

THERE'S THE EFFICACY TEST FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

DOES THIS WORK, AND THEN THERE'S THAT KIND OF REAL WORLD.

CAN WE PUT THIS ON THE STREET AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO THE TRAFFIC? I THINK IT WOULD BE REAL INTERESTING.

AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF ALL THIS STUFF IS TRYING TO GENERATE DATA.

LIKE WHAT ARE THE, YOU KNOW, CAUSE THE OTHER THING, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE TEMPORARY PROGRAM AND I'VE JUST SEEN, I THINK IT WOULD BE, AND MAYBE IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS IS ALL THEORETICAL, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO FIND A SPOT IN ONE OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY WANT A, UM, WHERE THEY WANT A SPEED HUMP.

AND LET'S SAY YOU HAVE TWO PARALLEL STREETS WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF ANALYZE IF YOU PUT IN A SPEED HUMP, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE SPEEDS ON THE ADJACENT STREETS? IF YOU PUT IT INTO TEMPORARY SPEED HUMP, CAUSE I'VE SEEN SOME RESEARCH AND I DON'T HAVE IT HANDY.

IT SAYS, IF YOU PUT IN A SPEED HUMP AND THEN TAKE IT OUT, THE, THE, THE EFFECTS OF REDUCING THE SPEED CONTINUE FOR LIKE SIX MONTHS OR SOMETHING, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTING.

SO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BURDEN H IT'S IT'S SO THINK OF IT LIKE MOVING SPEED ENFORCEMENT AROUND, RIGHT.

YOU DIDN'T EVER KNOW.

AND SO YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE SPEED CUSHIONS ARE HERE ONE DAY OR ONE WEEK OR ONE MONTH, AND THEN THEY MOVED TO A DIFFERENT PART ON THE SAME STREET OR A DIFFERENT PART ON AN ADJACENT STREET.

I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE AS THOUGH IT'S KIND OF A PROTOTYPE OR AS A STUDY.

IF WE COULD FIND AN AREA WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY DO THAT AGAIN, IDEAL, WHAT'S THE ACTUAL COST TO US OF MAINTAINING SOMETHING.

AND THEN CAN WE PROVIDE, CAN WE PROVIDE THAT KIND OF SPEED CONTROL WITHOUT HAVING TO PUT PERMANENT SPEED HUMPS? BECAUSE THE THING THAT I'M GETTING NOW, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE TELLING, BUT WHAT I GET NOW IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF THEIR SPEED HUMPS ON PATRICIA, WELL, EVERYBODY ON THE STREETS NEXT TO PATRICIA IS LIKE, WE WANT SPEED HUMPS TOO.

AND SO ON AND SO ON.

AND SO TRYING TO FIND A BALANCE THERE, IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHAT IF WE HAD, YOU KNOW, TWO SETS OF SPEED HUMPS THAT COULD BE MOVED THAT WE COULD SHARE BETWEEN THE THREE STREETS? I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU COME IN AND YOU DRILL THEM DOWN AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SQUIRMED DOWN AND THEN RATHER THAN WORRY ABOUT WHETHER THE BOLTS STAY IN AND SOME PERIOD OF TIME YOU CAN TAKE THEM AND YOU MOVE THEM.

I DON'T KNOW.

IT IT'S JUST A, A CONCEPT OF THEN YOU, YOU, IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU REMOVE SOME OF THE DEAL WITH SERIOUS EFFECTS OF, OF HAVING THIS, THE SPEED HUMPS OR HAVING THE PROPAGATION HIM.

BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE, I DUNNO WHAT THAT LOCATION I DON'T HAVE IN MY MIND.

TRAFFIC'S LIKE WATER, IT FINDS THE EASIEST WAY.

RIGHT.

BUT IT'S ALMOST LIKE EDUCATING PEOPLE, RIGHT? YOU NEVER KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO FIND A SPEED HUMP IN GARLAND.

IT MIGHT BE HERE TOMORROW MIGHT BE GONE TOMORROW.

SO YOU

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MAYBE JUST SHOULD JUST DRIVE THE SPEED LIMIT.

I WAS THE, THE THING ABOUT PATRICIA, THAT WAS THAT'S THE ONE PLACE THAT I KNOW, AT LEAST IN MY EXPERIENCE, THAT WHERE WE, WHERE THERE WAS A PARALLEL STREET THAT, THAT WAS CONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE TO JUST DIVERT TO THE NEXT STREET EASILY, EASILY.

AND ESPECIALLY WITH A COLLECTOR STREET, THERE'S USUALLY NOT ANY PARALLEL STREETS.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT I KNOW OF WHERE THAT BECAME A ISSUE.

AND FOR THIS, I'M NOT THINKING OF COLLECTORS FOR, FOR THAT PIECE.

I'M NOT THINKING OF, CAUSE I THINK OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, CAN I GET REQUESTS ALL THE TIME? PEOPLE WANT TO PUT, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY WANT TO PUT, AND THIS IS PROBABLY NOT THE BEST.

I'M SURE THERE ARE BETTER EXAMPLES AS YOU LOOK AT JUST, I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW SOME OF OUR OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS WERE WERE BILL, THEY'RE ALL JUST SF SEVEN AND IT'S JUST A READ A GRID, JUST A FLAT-OUT GRID.

BUT I THINK OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO CUT THROUGH FROM SATURN TO GLENBROOK, IT'S LIKE, ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE OVER HILL? ARE YOU GONNA TAKE PRIOR WHERE YOU CAN TAKE SATURN SPRINGS? YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO TAKE CARNEY, BUT YOU MIGHT.

SO IF YOU PUT, I GET PEOPLE ALL THE TIME, LIKE, WELL, WE GOT TO PUT, PUT THEM ON BRIAR WOOD.

I MEAN, I HAVE SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO ACTUALLY SHUT DOWN ACCESS FROM PRIOR WOULD DECLINE BROOKE AND ALSO REMOVE THE BRIDGE OVER DUCK CREEK AT BRIAR WOULD LIKE, YEAH, THAT'S NOT EVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

WHICH IS THE SAME THING I SAID TO THE GUY WHO WANTED TO REMOVE SIDEWALKS IN HIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT THAT'S ANOTHER STORY SO THAT HE COULD SO THAT HE WOULD NO LONGER BE PARKING OVER THE SIDEWALK.

BUT I THINK IT'D BE INTERESTING.

UM, MR. ENGLAND, SO THE QUESTION THAT WAS RAISED BY MAY PRETEND IS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS SPEED HUMP ALTERNATIVE, AND THIS IS AN OFFSET SPEED HUMP WHERE A FIRE TRUCK WOULD THEN CROSS INTO THE IDEA OF BEING SO THAT, UM, UH, TRUCKS DON'T HAVE TO, WE DON'T SLOW RESPONSE TIMES.

AND SO THE FIRETRUCK WOULD CROSS INTO THE OPPOSING TRAFFIC LANE AND KIND OF WEAVE BETWEEN THESE TWO.

AND THE QUESTION WAS RAISED IS IF WE BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THIS, DO WE HAVE ANY LIABILITY TO YOUR GENERAL MOTORIST WHO WEAVES INTO THE OPPOSITE LANE AND ENDS UP IN A HEAD ON COLLISION? AND WOULD WE PROBABLY NOT UNDER THE TEXAS TORT CLAIMS ACT? UM, CAUSE I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD QUALIFY AS A PREMISES DEFECT.

NOW, IF WE WEAVED OVER INTO THE OTHER LANE AND HIT SOMEBODY, THEN OF COURSE WE WOULD FIRE TRUCK WOULD BE DOING THAT RIGHT AFTER THE FIRETRUCK WENT INTO COLLISION.

THEN YES, OF COURSE WE'D BE LIABLE, BUT WHAT IF IT HAD ITS LIGHTS? SO IT WAS RUNNING LIGHTS AND SIRENS, PROBABLY NOT.

AS LONG AS IT WAS YOU WASN'T USING, UM, UM, UNDO WEIGHT, CONSCIOUS INDIFFERENCE IS THE STANDARD WHEN IT TURNS ITS LIGHTS AND SIRENS ON.

SO AS LONG AS IT'S SLOWING DOWN AND LOOKING OUT, THEN YOU, WE PROBABLY HAVE AN EXCEPTION TO THE, UM, WE PROBABLY, WE'RE PROBABLY IMMUNE TO THAT TOPIC CLAN BECAUSE WE'RE IMMUNE IN GENERAL WHEN OUR POLICE AND FIRE GO THROUGH INTERSECTIONS, AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT BEING CONSCIOUSLY INDIFFERENT TO THE PUBLIC, THEN WE'RE PROBABLY IMMUNE.

BUT THEN YOU GET INTO THE QUESTION OF, UM, UM, UM, WHAT POLICY DOES THE CITY WANT TO HAVE ON THAT? SO THEY ANSWER THE QUESTION IS IF THE GENERAL PUBLIC DID IT, THEN NO, WE WOULDN'T HAVE LIABILITY.

CAUSE THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT A PREMISES DEFECT, BUT IF WE DID IT, YES, THERE WOULD BE LIABILITY.

NO.

AND THE TYPE OF ROADS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, DO WE RUN LIGHTS AND SIRENS? CAUSE OFTEN THEY'LL SHUT OFF THE SIRENS.

AT LEAST ONCE THEY GET INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN OPERATIONAL QUESTION FOR FIRE.

IT MIGHT BE A POLICY QUESTION.

AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, IF THERE'S NO LIGHTS INSIDE AND THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE THAT IMMUNITY, OH THIS IS IF THIS WAS A RESIDENTIAL STREET THAT HAD NO CENTER LINE, RIGHT? HOW WOULD THEY, ARE THEY DRAWING, DRIVING ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE STREET? I GUESS? WELL, THAT'D BE THE QUESTION.

AND THEN THE QUESTION WOULD REALLY BE, ARE THEY BEING CONSCIOUSLY INDIFFERENT BY DRIVING ON THE WRONG SIDE? STRAIGHT? PROBABLY NOT.

I MEAN, BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S A DIFFICULT, IT'S A DIFFICULT ANALYSIS BECAUSE YOU WERE IN A RESIDENTIAL STREET WHERE PEOPLE TYPICALLY CAUSE THE CARS PARKED ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.

THEY TYPICALLY SHARE THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD, BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD WITH ONCOMING TRAFFIC AND YOU, AND, AND IT WORKS ITSELF, WORKS ITSELF OUT ORGANICALLY WHERE PEOPLE FIGURE IT OUT.

UM, AND SO THERE WOULDN'T BE, I MEAN, IF WE HIT SOMEBODY WE'D PROBABLY END UP PAYING SOMETHING, WE'D PROBABLY, I MEAN MAYBE NOT, I MEAN IT MAY NOT BE WORTH PAYING ANYTHING, BUT UM, IF THE GENERAL PUBLIC HIT ONE ANOTHER, NO, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT IS A RESIDENTIAL STREET.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE HERE, SO RIGHT.

IF YOU'RE ON A COLLECTOR, RIGHT, THERE IS NO DIVIDING LINE IN RESIDENTIAL STREETS.

SOME COLLECTORS HAVE I HAVE A LINE, I WOULD THINK IF YOU'RE, I MEAN

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THAT JUST MIGHT BE A POLICY ISSUE.

I DON'T KNOW.

THEY SURE SEEM TO RUN LIGHTS AND SIRENS ALL OVER THE PLACE, MINE.

BUT UH, I THINK THAT IF WE TALKED TO MAYBE FOR THE NEXT MEETING, BRING FIRE BACK IN AND GET THEIR OPINION ON WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW, CHIEFLY SUPPORTS THE CONCEPT, BUT MAYBE VISIT WITH THIS.

THIS WAS ONE OF THE ONES HE SENT HIM.

SO YEAH.

I MEAN, DO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND I LIKED THE IDEA OF ACTUALLY INSTALLING ONE, WHETHER IT'S IN A PARKING LOT OR ON A STREET, JUST TO SEE WHAT IT, HOW IT DRIVES AND FEELS AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS WOULD BE.

YEAH.

I MEAN, WE HAVE ANY SPACE LEFT OVER THE HYBRID.

MARK.

THAT'S A BIG PARKING LOT THAT HAS IT ALL BEING USED COMPLETELY FOR PRETTY MUCH ALL BEING USED.

ANY OTHER BIG SPACES CITY OWNS.

YEAH.

I CAN THINK OF A COUPLE.

YOU SPOT A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS NEXT TO THE MEDICAL IN THE MEDICAL DISTRICT THAT HAVE, WE MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE A STREET SOMEWHERE.

I'M TRYING TO THINK OF.

I KNOW PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT MARS OR SOME OTHER STREETS.

I'M SURE WE COULD FIND SOMEPLACE TO, I GUESS, COUNTRY CLUB ISN'T WIDE ENOUGH.

THAT'D BE AN INTERESTING QUESTION.

TEST IT WITH THE LIGHTS AND SIRENS.

OF COURSE.

I THINK IT'D BE GOOD TO TRY IT THERE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE, SHE'LL BE WORRIED.

TRY IT FIRST FAIR.

AND THEN LET'S SAY MAYBE I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR TAKE IS ON THE, THE MOVEABLE AND OTHER STUFF.

ONES MAY NOT BE FEASIBLE.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING CASE STUDY IF WE JUST FIND A LOCATION, BUT MAYBE GETTING COMPARISON, IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH.

I THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH A VERSUS B STREET.

WELL, WHAT, THEY'RE HUMAN B YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SPEED STUDY A SPEEDS.

B VOLUME MAY HAVE ONLY BEING PREPARED.

UM, WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT IT IS AUSTIN.

YOU HAVE TO GET A, YOU HAVE TO GET A STUDY IN ADVANCE, BUT THEY, BEFORE THEY PUT IT IN, THEY DO SPEED STUDIES ON THE ADJACENT STREETS.

AND THEN THEY COME BACK IN A YEAR AND DO SPEED STUDIES ON ALL THREE STREETS, LET'S SAY, OR TWO STREETS OR WHATEVER TO SEE HOW THE TRAFFIC PATTERN HAS CHANGED.

SO THEY DO DO THAT.

AND SO MAYBE ON A VERY LIMITED BASIS TO SEE IF IT, I MEAN, MAYBE IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY UTILITY AND I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE, BUT I'M SURE.

I MEAN, I, I MEAN A LOT OF THE IMPETUS ON THE SPEED HUMPS AND PUTTING IN MORE CAME FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS, SHE HAD SOME NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE HIGH ON GETTING SOME SPEED HUMPS.

SO MAYBE, MAYBE WE COULD TALK WITH HER ABOUT, DID SHE HAVE I'M SURE SHE'D LOVE TO IDENTIFY THREE PARALLEL STREETS WHERE SHE COULD PUT SOME SPEED HUMPS.

I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THAT LITTLE EXTRA FUNDING THAT WE KICKED OVER TO TRANSPORTATION FROM THE, UH, SAFELITE FUND SNATCHED AWAY FROM THE BOXING CAN, CAN BE USEFUL THAT WAY.

JUST A THOUGHT.

MAYBE SEE, MAYBE, MAYBE SEE IF THAT PART IS, SEE IF HE ON BOTH OF THESE, LOOK AT THE FEASIBILITY.

MAYBE GO AHEAD AND SEE IF WE CAN DO THE OFFSET SPEED HOME SOMEWHERE.

WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT AT, UH, I'M TRYING TO TRY TO FIND A PLACE WHERE, WHERE WE'RE GETTING PUT IT IN A PARKING LOT SOMEWHERE, AND I'LL WORK WITH CHIEF LEE AND WE'LL DO A LITTLE EXPERIMENT ON THAT AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO ON THE SPEED CUSHIONS.

ARE YOU WANTING TO MAYBE IF WE COULD FIND A PLACE THAT WE CAN.

I MEAN, I THINK THE FIRST THING WOULD BE TO IDENTIFY, UH, I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO GO FORWARD ON IT AND JUST IDENTIFY IT AS LIKE A T JUST TO RUN A SMALL SCALE TEST AND SEE IF IT, IF IT DOESN'T WORK, IT DOESN'T WORK.

YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT IT, BUT IF IT DOES WORK AND WORKS WELL, THEN MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DEPLOY IN OTHER AREAS.

AND AGAIN, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE CALLS THAT I GET ABOUT, I WANT TO SPEED HUMP HERE.

I WANT TO SPEED HUMP THERE.

I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF THEM OVER ON, ON THE EAST SIDE OF FIFTH STREET, CAROLYN DRIVE, AND ALL THOSE ARE ALL THESE PARALLEL STREETS AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO MEET HUMPS.

WELL, NOT EVERYBODY, BUT I GET REQUESTS FROM EVERY STREET ABOUT WHAT WOULD THE DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THEM GETTING A, UH, A REAL SPEED HUMP VERSUS THAT SPEED? YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S PART OF THE POLICY QUESTION, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE, DO YOU DO IT BASED ON THE SPEED LEVEL, MAYBE BASED ON THE SPEED STUDY OR DO YOU DO IT BASED ON THE ADJACENCY OF STREETS, WHETHER IT'S SUSCEPTIBLE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I MEAN, IF YOU, IF WE RUN A TEST, LET'S SAY WE RUN A TEST AND WE FIND OUT THAT, THAT IT REALLY DOES WORK AND IT DOES, YOU KNOW, AND AS LONG AS YOU ROTATE THE SPEED HUMPS OUT, AS LONG AS YOU SO 50% OR 40 OR 30% OF THE TIME, YOU KNOW, CAROLYN DRIVE HAS A SPEED HUMP AND THE

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REST OF THE TIME, IT DOESN'T, BUT IT, BUT IT KEEPS SPEEDS LOWER 100% OF THE TIME OR CLOSE TO 100%.

NOW THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE WORTHWHILE AND LESS OF AN IMPACT ON THE, OF THE DELETERIOUS EFFECTS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU MAY FIND THAT IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, W I DON'T KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE DOHERTY AND CAROLYN WITH CAROLYN AND VISTA, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ROTATE THEM BETWEEN THOSE, MAYBE YOU, MAYBE YOU GET THE SAME BENEFIT WITHOUT HAVING TO PUT PERMANENT SPEED HUMPS IN ALL THREE STREETS.

I JUST DON'T KNOW.

AND SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWERS ARE AND WHERE THAT WOULD DRIVE AS POLICY-WISE.

CAUSE I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ACTUALLY BENEFICIAL.

I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I SAW A STUDY THAT WAS FROM, UH, EARLIER MID TWO THOUSANDS THAT TALKED ABOUT IT AND SUGGESTED THAT IT REALLY WORKED.

BUT, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THE OTHER STUFF OUT THERE.

SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MAYBE AVANT GARDE, BUT MAYBE YOU COME TO A SITUATION WHERE ULTIMATELY YOU DON'T HAVE ANY RESIDENTIAL SPEED HUMPS, AS CRAZY AS THAT SOUNDS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A TEMPORARY SYSTEM WHERE YOU JUST ROTATE THEM AROUND.

AND I THINK YOU GET, MAYBE YOU DO GET THE BENEFIT.

JUST LIKE I SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I ALWAYS CHECK, I ALWAYS STOP AT GLENBROOK AND SATURN'S SPRINGS BECAUSE THE ONE TIME I WASN'T QUITE PAYING ATTENTION AND I MADE THAT KIND OF ROLLING RIGHT TURN, WHICH STILL HACKS ME OFF BECAUSE IT WAS LESS THAN FIVE MILES AN HOUR.

AND IF WE HAD HAD A RED LIGHT CAMERA, NOT THAT THERE'S A LIGHT THERE, BUT YOU, WE HAD A POLICY.

IF YOU TURN RIGHT ON RED, DEAD, LESS THAN FIVE MILES AN HOUR, YOU DON'T STOP.

YOU DON'T GET A TICKET.

BUT ANYWAY, SO THAT, THAT ONE TIME I GET THE TICKET, I'M LIKE NOW I ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT ALWAYS REMEMBER.

AND, AND I'VE ONLY SEEN A, A RED LIGHT.

I'VE ONLY SEEN A, A TRAFFIC OFFICER THERE MAY BE ONE OTHER TIME IN THE ENSUING THREE YEARS.

BUT SO THAT IDEA THAT, THAT THAT'S THAT KIND OF INCIDENTAL ENFORCEMENT.

YEAH.

IT TAKES ONE HIGH DOLLAR TICKET TO PUT THAT MEMORY IN YOUR MIND.

RIGHT.

AND SO MAYBE IT ONLY TAKES, SO MAYBE IF, AND THAT'S THE IDEA TOO, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF THAT BEHIND THAT.

AND, AND IN THE EYE, THE IDEA THAT THIS WAS, THIS WAS THE CASE IN A LOT OF THE RED LIGHT CAMERA STUDIES ACTUALLY, IS THAT THE RED LIGHT CAMERAS HAD BENEFICIAL EFFECTS AT EVERY INTERSECTION IN A CITY, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF DOWNSTREAM EFFECTS, BUT JUST BECAUSE OF THE CONCEPT THAT YOU WERE EDUCATING PEOPLE, YOU WERE TRAINING THEM TO ACTUALLY STOP AT RED LIGHTS.

AND I DON'T KNOW, I'VE SEEN MORE RED LIGHT RUNNERS IN THE LAST YEAR THAN I CAN EVER REMEMBER.

UM, BUT SO YOU'RE TRAINING AND MAYBE THE SAME THING IS YOU'RE TRAINING PEOPLE TO NOT GO FAST ON THESE RESIDENTIAL STREETS.

SO I KIND OF HEAR WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

IT'S WE, WE WANT TO EXPERIMENT A LITTLE BIT AND TRY SOME DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO GIVE US SOME DATA TO SEE WHAT WORKS IN GARLAND AND DEPLOYING, YOU KNOW, SETTING THESE UP IN A, UH, IN A PARKING LOT TO SEE HOW THEY DRIVE AND FEEL FOR PUBLIC SAFETY PURPOSES.

AND THEN PERHAPS FINDING A, UM, SOMEWHERE, WHETHER IT'S TWO OR THREE STREETS THAT WE CAN TRY SOMETHING TEMPORARILY.

UM, SOUNDS LIKE THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT AND COME BACK TO THE COMMITTEE ON, UM, EVEN DO A FIELD VISIT TO IF WE GET SOMETHING SET UP IN A PARKING LOT SOMEWHERE, UM, MAYBE WE CAN MEET OUT THERE AND SEE HOW IT DRIVES AND TAKE A FIRETRUCK THROUGH IT AND ALL RIGHT.

IN A FIRE TRUCK.

YEAH.

FIRETRUCK OR AMBULANCE OR WHATEVER, LITTLE MALL, JUST GIVE IT A TRY AND SEE HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT BEFORE WE DEPLOY IT OUT IN THE REAL WORLD.

YEAH.

I DON'T THINK IT WOULD COST VERY MUCH.

YEAH.

UH, I'M JUST WONDERING HOW DO WE, I MEAN, CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE, IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF FINDING A STREET THAT WOULD WORK.

I MEAN, IT, IT'S FINDING A STREET WHERE PEOPLE WANT IT OR WHERE THERE'S A PROBLEM.

WELL, IT ALMOST NEEDS TO BE SOMEBODY THAT'S ALREADY ASKED FOR SPEED HUMPS.

I CAN THINK OF, WELL, MIGHT BE A STREET WHERE THERE ARE SPEED HUMPS ALREADY.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU DID DO IT ON GLENBROOK OR IT MIGHT BE A STREET.

I MEAN, FROM THE DAY I GOT ON COUNCIL, I'VE HEARD FROM THE FOLKS DOWN ON BROADMORE, THEY WOULD BE EXTREMELY HAPPY TO GET A, I MEAN, AND YOU KNOW THAT YOU GET THE REQUESTS ALL THE TIME FROM CHURCH, THE STOP BARS AND STOP SIGNS AND ANYTHING HE CAN THINK OF IT.

SO IF IN BROAD MORE, I DON'T KNOW, BROAD MOORE'S 40, BUT IT MIGHT BE, BUT I COULD SEE PUT ELIGIBLE THOUGH.

I DON'T HMM.

BROADMORE ELIGIBLE.

OH, WHICH ONE? WHICH WAY? SPEED HUBS.

WELL, I'VE NEVER DONE A SPEECH STUDY THERE, SO I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, IT'S TRUE.

I MEAN, I THINK IT MIGHT BE A TYPE F STREET.

I DON'T, WELL, I THINK THE IDEA FOR THESE IS THAT THIS IS WHAT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO SPEED HUMPS ON FET TYPE

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F STREETS EVENTUALLY.

OKAY.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE TEMP.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SPEED CUSHIONS.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE OFFSET SPEED HUMPS.

I THINK THE IDEA, I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT ON THE TYPE F STREETS WE COULD HAVE, YOU CAN HAVE SPEED HUMPS, BUT WITHOUT IMPACTING EMERGENCY VEHICLES.

RIGHT? YEAH.

I'M JUST, BUT IF WE HAVEN'T, IF THEY HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ONE PERSON OR FIVE OR BEAR OR 80 THAT WON IT.

I MEAN, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN IS I DON'T WANT TO, I KNOW IT'S JUST PICK A STREET THAT WE THINK IS A PROBLEM.

AND WE'VE HEARD FROM TWO PEOPLE, THEY MAY BE VERY VOCAL, BUT THEY MAY BE THE ONLY TWO THAT ARE REALLY, THAT REALLY WANT IT.

AND THEN, YEAH.

WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING OUR POLICY IN TERMS OF WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THEM.

SO YEAH, WE CAN ALWAYS PROACTIVELY GO OUT AND TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS TOO.

IF WE FIND A COUPLE OF STREETS THAT MIGHT WORK THIS CASE THAT WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY.

THEY'RE REALLY GOOD AT TALKING TO THE NEIGHBOR FOR, CAN WE REPLACE AN EXISTING ONE AND IT JUST IT'S ALREADY THERE AND DO IT, REMOVE THAT ONE AND TEST.

YEAH.

KNOW YOU TAKE ONE, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER LIKE GLENBROOK AND GLENBROOK AND CAROL AREA.

YEAH.

I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE, THAT THAT MIGHT MAKE THE MOST SENSE TO, TO DO AN EXISTING ONE BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW THEY WANT IT.

AND WE JUST TELL THEM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING THIS BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT THAT MUCH OF AN EFFORT TO, I MEAN, WE, WE SCRAPE OUT ONE, YOU ONLY HEAR EVEN REALLY, AND YOU SCRAPE OUT HALF OF IT.

RIGHT.

WE JUST SCRAPE OUT ONE SPEED BUMP AND THEN YOU PUT IN THE OFFSET SPEED BUMPS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

AND IF IT'S, IF IT DOESN'T WORK, YOU PUT THEM BACK.

IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT THAT MUCH OF A COST.

I S S D WHETHER IT'S HARD OR NOT.

SO HOW HARD IS IT TO TAKE A SPEED HUMP OUT? IT'S NOT THAT GOOD SCRAPE.

SCRAPE IT OFF.

YOU GOING TO LEAVE THAT RESIDUE ON THE STREET.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

WE'LL WE'LL UH, SEND THE DIRECTION.

YEAH, WELL, YEAH.

WE'LL FIND A PLACE TO DO THAT.

OKAY.

OH, THAT'S GOOD.

WHY DON'T WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM? COME FROM HER MORE ONTO JOIN US.

COME RIGHT UP TO THE, COME UP TO THE TABLE HERE.

WE SPENT AN HOUR ON THAT ALMOST SO YOU'RE 15 MINUTES.

SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

YOU WANT TO HEAR AND THANK YOU, BRIAN, FOR COMING DOWN THE NEXT TIME ON THE AGENDA, THE CONTINUED DISCUSSION ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF VOLUNTARY BUYOUT PROGRAM LIKE ONSTAR, YOU ALWAYS, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE REGULAR THING.

IT'S LIKE, IT'S, IT'S THE CONSTANT THING.

THAT'S FINE.

I HAVE I'VE I'VE GIVEN YOU AN OUTLINE, UM, AND PRESENTED EVERYONE WITH AN OUTLINE ON THE BUYOUT PROGRAM.

WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH.

I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT GOES TO THAT ENTIRE OUTLINE.

YOU CAN SEE IT'S THREE PAGES AND IT'S, MY PRESENTATION IS ABOUT 16, UM, POWERPOINT SHEETS.

SO DO YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL NEXT TO, I DON'T KNOW IF, WHAT YOUR TIMING IS.

WE, WE CAN TRY TO BLAST THROUGH IT, BUT IT'S, IT'LL PROBABLY TAKE A FEW MINUTES.

YOU GUYS WANT TO WAIT OR DO YOU WANT TO JUST RUN OVER A FEW MINUTES? I LEAVE THAT TO THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMITTEE.

I MEAN, I'M FINE TO KEEP GOING.

I'M FINE TO KEEP GOING.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU.

YOU GUYS WILL, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING NOT TO GO TOO MUCH INTO THE DINNER HOUR, BUT ALRIGHT.

THEN WE'LL MOVE RIGHT ALONG.

IT'LL COME UP.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, AS FAR AS AIR HERE, ALL RIGHT.

AS FAR AS WE ARE CONTINUING THE DRAINAGE CONVERSATION AND WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING RIGHT INTO THE FLOOD PRONE PROPERTY BUYOUT PROGRAM.

AND AGAIN, WE'VE PROVIDED YOU AN OUTLINE TONIGHT AND I'M GOING TO BE GOING OVER THAT FIRST SLIDE IS NOT IN THIS, BUT I WANTED TO RE HASH A FEW ITEMS HERE WHERE WE DISCUSSED CODE A, B, C, D, AND E.

AND I WANTED TO REITERATE THIS EVENING THAT, UM, FOR THIS BUYOUT PROGRAM, THIS VOLUNTARY BUYOUT PROGRAM, WE'RE JUST SPECIFICALLY AT THIS TIME TALKING ABOUT CODE D WATER IN HOUSE DUE TO CREEK FLOODING.

UM, AT THIS POINT WE DON'T HAVE,

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UH, THE WATER IN HOUSE PROJECTS THAT ARE TOO HARD TO DO, OR THE EROSION ISSUES THAT ARE, THAT EXCEED THE VALUE OF THE HOMES.

THAT TYPE OF THING IS JUST STRICTLY FOR, UM, THE CREEK FLOODING.

AND I'LL, I'LL EXPLAIN HERE IN A FEW MINUTES OF WHY WE'VE, WE'VE REMOVED ALL THE OTHERS AT THIS TIME.

AND AS FAR AS THE PURPOSE, WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE HERE IS WE'VE PERFORMED A RESEARCH WITH NUMBER OF OTHER CITIES AND ENTITIES THAT ALREADY HAVE BUYOUT PROGRAMS IN EXISTENCE.

UM, HARRIS COUNTY, FLOOD CONTROL, DISTRICT AUSTIN, UM, CITY OF ARLINGTON, AND I BELIEVE, UM, CITY OF HOUSTON AND THERE'S EVEN A FEW OTHERS THAT, THAT WE'VE RESEARCHED.

WHAT WE DID IS WE COMPILED FROM THE DATA THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THOSE CITIES AND THEIR PROGRAMS WE READ THROUGH ALL OF THEM FIGURED OUT WHAT WAS IN COMMON THAT WAS KIND OF CONSISTENT, YOU KNOW, WHY REINVENT THE WHEEL.

AND THEN WE TOOK THINGS THAT WE LIKED FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT ONES AND KIND OF COMPILED THEM TOGETHER.

WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IS IF YOU WENT OUT AND SEARCHED CITY OF ARLINGTON AND CITY OF AUSTIN ON THEIR BUYOUT PROGRAMS ARE OUTLINED WOULD BE MIMICKING.

THERE'S PROBABLY THE MOST, AS FAR AS THE CLOSEST MIMIC OF THOSE.

UM, THEY, THEY BOTH HAVE A VERY GOOD, UH, PROGRAM SET UP AND THEIR OUTLINE IS, IS EASY TO FOLLOW, AND IT SEEMED TO MAKE THE MOST SENSE TO US.

AND SO WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE PLAGIARIZED A LITTLE BIT OF THEIRS.

SO THE BUYOUT PROGRAM, THE PURPOSE OBVIOUSLY IS THE VOLUNTARY PROGRAM AND BUY OUT THE FLOOD-PRONE PROPERTIES, UM, THAT HAVE RECEIVED, OR ARE, I GUESS, ARE, ARE THE MOST DAMAGING TO THE, TO THE CITY'S CITIZENS OUT THERE WHERE THEY'VE RECEIVED OVER SIX FEET OF WATER IN THEIR HOMES, LIKE ON GLEN BROOK, UM, DOWN THERE, THE FORMER COUNCIL PERSON THAT LIVED THERE, HE WAS UP IN HIS ATTIC WITH SIX FEET OF WATER IN HIS HOUSE.

AND, UM, THERE WERE OTHER LOCATIONS AROUND THE CITY, BUT THE, THE PRIMARY BIG ISSUE IS DUCK CREEK, WHERE ALL THOSE HOMES WERE BUILT BACK IN THE FIFTIES.

THERE WASN'T A FLOOD PLAIN, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT AND ALL THE, EVERYTHING THAT WENT ON AROUND THEM.

AND THEY, THEY DEVELOPED THE MAPS IN 1978, I THINK WHERE THE FIRST 72, BUT THEN 78 WERE THE FIRST OFFICIALLY ADOPTED MAPS.

BUT, UM, THAT'S WHERE ALL THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS ARE.

SO IT'D BE A FAIR AND INDISCRIMINATE TREATMENT OF PROPERTY OWNERS.

AND THEN ALSO TO REMOVE THE STRUCTURE AND THEN DEDICATE THE PROPERTY IN PERPETUITY FOR USES COMPARE, YOU KNOW, COMPATIBLE WITH OPEN SPACE OR RECREATIONAL AREAS, NATURAL FLOODPLAIN FUNCTIONS, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

THE BACKGROUND FOR THIS IS, UM, FROM THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM PROPOSITION C, THERE WAS $4 MILLION SET ASIDE IN THE BOND PROGRAM, UM, FOR A VOLUNTARY BUYOUT PROGRAM.

AND, UM, AGAIN, WE HAVE AN ACTION ITEM ON HERE IS TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD BE ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL TO ADDRESS THESE FLOOD-PRONE PROPERTIES.

AT THIS TIME, WE'RE RECOMMENDING ADOPTING THE FEDERAL UNIFORM RELOCATION ASSISTANCE AND REAL PROPERTY ACQUISITION POLICIES ACT OF 1970.

AND I KNOW THAT'S A LONG TITLE FOR A DOCUMENT, AND IT SEEMS RELATIVELY OLD, BUT THIS IS THE ACT THAT IN A NOTE HERE AT THE BOTTOM THAT IS USED BY THE CITY OF HOUSTON, AUSTIN AND THE HARRIS COUNTY FLOOD DISTRICTS.

SO AGAIN, NOT TRYING TO REINVENT THE WHEEL, WE'VE READ THROUGH THIS, AND THERE'S SOME INFORMATION IN HERE.

UM, I'LL GET TO IN A FEW MINUTES THAT TALKS ABOUT THE VOLUNTARY BUYOUT, AND IF WE'RE GOING TO BE OFFERING, UM, RELOCATION EXPENSES, SOME OTHER CITIES HAVE, AND I'LL GET TO THAT IN A FEW MINUTES, BUT THERE'S SOME OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE MADE THAT OPTIONAL THAT THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY GO THROUGH WITH THAT IN THAT THEY DIDN'T OFFER.

SINCE IT'S A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM, THEY DIDN'T OFFER RELOCATION EXPENSES, JUST THE VALUE OF THE HOMES.

UM, THE CITY STAFF AND DEPARTMENTS THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THIS WOULD BE ENGINEERING TAX AND REVENUE TAX OFFICE IN REVENUE, RECOVERY, PUBLIC, AND MEDIA RELATIONS, FINANCIAL SERVICES, DEPARTMENT, HOUSING, COMMUNITY SERVICES, BUILDING INSPECTIONS, PARKS, RECREATION, AND NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY.

WE'D ALL GET INVOLVED IN THIS PROGRAM.

RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE STAFF AND OF THE ROLES OF THE CITY DEPARTMENTS WOULD BE ADVERTISING COMMUNICATION.

THAT'S WHERE OBVIOUSLY THE PUBLIC RELATIONS WOULD COME IN, UH, APPLICATION, UH, INTAKE OR INTAKE OF APPLICATIONS AND THE REVIEW OF THE APPLICATIONS, AND THEN PRIORITIZATION AND SELECTION OF THE DIFFERENT HOMES AND IN CRITERIA ADMINISTER THE PROPERTY APPRAISALS AND THEN, UH, PROPERTY ACQUISITION, RELOCATION COORDINATION WITH, UM, WHETHER THERE'S A TITLE COMPANY CLOSING THAT TYPE OF THING, ADMINISTRATIVE COORDINATE THE PROPERTY IMPROVEMENTS AS FAR AS THE DEMOLITION AND ANY OTHER APPURTENANCES, WHETHER IT'S SWIMMING POOLS SHEDS OTHER APARTMENTS AS ON THE SITE, AND THEN COORDINATE ANY KIND OF LONG-TERM PROPERTY MAINTENANCE

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PROGRAM, ELIGIBILITY AND QUALIFICATIONS RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, WE'RE RECOMMENDING AT THIS POINT, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ONLY, WE, WE DID NOT CONSIDER COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AT THIS TIME DUE TO THE FACT THAT YOU CAN GET INTO A, OR EVEN IF IT'S IN A FLOOD PLAIN, YOU CAN GET INTO A RELATIVELY LARGE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WOULD PROBABLY DEPLETE A LOT OF