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OKAY.

IT IS, IT IS FOUR O'CLOCK.

AND THIS IS THE MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE.

UM, IT'S OCTOBER 11TH, 2021.

I'M DEBRA MORRIS CHAIR.

AND WITH ME ARE COUNCILMAN ROBERT VIERRA AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, BJ WILLIAMS, AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF STAFF MEMBERS.

SO LET'S START WITH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 3RD, 2021 MEETING.

UM, GENTLEMEN, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE MINUTES? UM, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES.

SECOND, MAN CHAIR.

THANK YOU ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE.

AYE.

SO PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.

OKAY.

NUMBER TWO, DISCUSSION CONCERNING VETERAN HOMELESSNESS.

AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE A, UH, A GUEST HERE TO ADDRESS US.

YES MA'AM.

OKAY.

AND IF WE CAN, OKAY.

UM, KIM, IF YOU'LL COME ON UP AND HAVE A SEAT THERE AND, UM, WE WOULD LOVE JUST TO, UH, THE, THE CHARTER OF THIS COMMITTEE WITH THIS PARTICULAR ITEM WAS TO FIND WHAT, IF ANY SPECIFIC ACTIONS OUR LOCAL CITY GOVERNMENT CAN TAKE TO ASSIST TOWARD, UM, THE PROBLEM OF VETERAN HOMELESSNESS.

SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS IN MOTION WITH A NEW VA HOSPITAL AND WITH OTHER THINGS.

UM, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED WITH THE, THE NATIONAL, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE OUT OF THE SCOPE OF A LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

BUT, UM, WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU AND IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS, WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THEM.

SO, UM, AND THIS IS KIM CAMPBELL, CORRECT? AND KIM IS FROM THE VETERANS RESOURCE CENTER AND SHE WILL BE ADDRESSING US NOW.

SO I'M WITH THE VETERANS RESOURCE CENTER.

UM, I'VE BEEN WITH THEM SINCE 2008.

WE'VE HAD OUR RESOURCE CENTER SINCE 2011.

IT COMES UNDER THE, UM, NON-PROFIT HOMELESS VETERANS SERVICES OF DALLAS.

WE HAVE A DAY CENTER.

IT'S NOT AN OVERNIGHT SHELTER, BUT WE HAVE SHOWERS, LAUNDRY FACILITIES.

WE SERVE TWO MEALS A DAY, MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, HAVE SACK LUNCHES.

WE PROVIDE, SO THEY'LL HAVE SOME MEALS ON SUNDAY WHEN WE'RE NOT OPEN.

WE HAVE A WELDING SHOP WHERE THEY GET TRAINED TO BE CERTIFIED WELDERS.

IT'S A PARTNERSHIP WITH DALLAS COUNTY COMMUNITY COLLEGES.

WE ARE A NON-PROFIT THAT WAS CREATED IN 2004 TO DO SOME OF THE GAPS THAT THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION CANNOT.

WE'RE TWO BLOCKS SOUTH OF THE DALLAS VA.

SO WE DO PARTNER A LOT WITH THEM.

UM, WE, UM, WHAT ELSE WE DO OUTREACH.

WE'LL GO OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.

I'VE BEEN HEARING GOD LIVED IN GARLAND.

SO, UM, I'VE BEEN TO SOME OF THE OUTREACH AT THE CHURCH, UM, HACKS, I BELIEVE.

UM, WE'VE HANDED ON ITEMS. WE HAVE A COMPUTER LAB THAT COULD COME IN AND SEARCH FOR WORK HYGIENE.

UM, CLOTHING WILL BE GIVEN OUT LIGHT JACKETS THIS FRIDAY, SO WE DO A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING.

UM, WE CAN CONNECT THEM WITH COMMUNITY RESOURCES AS WELL.

OKAY.

WHAT IS THE ADDRESS OF THE RESOURCE CENTER? 4,900 SOUTH LANCASTER ROAD.

AND THAT'S DALLAS.

ALL RIGHT.

SURE.

KIM.

YES.

UM, IS THIS A DALLAS COUNTY OR JUST CITY OF DALLAS? WE COVER THE 40 COUNTIES THAT ARE COVERED BY THE DALLAS VA.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

MA'AM CHAIR KIM.

THANK YOU FOR COMING.

UH, KEVIN LIVES IN DISTRICT FOUR.

I, I KNOW KIM SHE'S BEEN DOING THIS WORK FOR AWHILE.

UH, KIM, LIKE, LIKE CHAIR, LADY SAID, WE'RE LOOKING FOR INFORMATION SOLUTIONS WE'RE LOOKING FOR HELP.

UM, SO BEING A GOLDEN KNIGHT RESIDENT VISION FOR YOU, YOU ESSENTIALLY SEE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE SEE AND FOR, UH, DO YOU HAVE SOME THOUGHTS, IDEAS THAT THINGS THAT, UM, WE MAYBE HAVE, HAVE NOT DONE OR COULD IMPROVE ON OR JUST IDEAS THAT YOU THINK THAT WE COULD, UH, UH, COMPLIMENT OUR CURRENT EFFORTS WITH TO HELP WITH THIS TASK? ANY, ANY THOUGHTS CAMP WOULDN'T BE APPRECIATED FROM WHAT I SEE AND WHAT I SEE, EVEN IN OUR BUILDING, UH, VA POLICE DON'T COME THROUGH THERE A LOT.

THEY, THEY HAVE EYES ON THE PLACE, BUT THE MORE THE POLICE COME THROUGH, THE LESS VETERANS WILL COME IN THERE,

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HONESTLY.

SO I THINK WHEN THEY SEE THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT COMPONENT, THEY BACK AWAY.

INTERESTING.

YEAH.

SO YOU'RE SAYING TIM, THAT THEY BACK AWAY FROM SERVICES THAT, YEAH.

OKAY.

UM, AND THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE RECORDS, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THEM AND DON'T, BUT SOME OF THEM DO, AND I GUESS IT PUTS ENOUGH FEAR IN THEM.

AND THOSE ARE DALLAS POLICE.

I'M ASSUMING? NO, THE VA HAS A, OKAY.

SO WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY SAY THE BADGE IN A UNIFORM YEAH.

THEY BACK OFF, UH, HOW DO YOU SEE THAT KIM IN OUR COMMUNITY HERE AND GONE AND YOU KNOW, THE AIR AS WELL THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MANY CHALLENGES, YOU SEE THE AREA, HOW DOES THAT, DOES THAT EXTEND TO OUR COMMUNITY AND HOW, HOW CAN, HOW CAN WE, HOW CAN WE HELP IF THAT'S THE CASE? HOW CAN WE HELP ADDRESS THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR CITY COULD DO.

KIM, YOUR THOUGHTS? UM, I THINK IF THEY POSSIBLY NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T GO OUT THERE, NOT IN A UNIFORM, BUT IF THEY SAW YOU AS LESS LAW ENFORCEMENT AND MORE A RESOURCE TO HELP.

CAUSE NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE ON THE STREETS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL SAW SOME OF THE INTERVIEWS WHEN WE HAD THE HORRIBLE ICE STORM.

THIS ONE VETERAN SAID, I CAN'T HAVE A BEER BEFORE I GO INTO THE SHELTER.

SO WHY WOULD I GO TO A SHELTER? SO YOU'RE DEALING WITH SOME OF THAT MENTALITY TOO.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

AND, AND, AND LASTLY, UM, LET'S CHAIR, LADY SAID, WHAT CAN WE DO AS A CITY TO WORK WITH YOUR SIMILAR ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP STRENGTHEN OUR HOMELESS INITIATIVE? WE'VE GOT A HOMELESS TASK FORCE.

WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ADDRESS THIS, BUT HOW CAN, WHAT CAN WE DO TO PARTNER WITH ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS YOURS TO, TO HELP BUILD WHAT WE ARE DOING AS RELATES TO HOMELESSNESS CARE, THE ONES THAT NEED THE MENTAL HEALTH COMPONENT DEFINITELY ADDRESS THAT FIRST.

UM, AND THAT'S HARD TO DO, BUT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF FEMALE VETERANS THAT COME IN THAT WE KNOW WHEN THEY'RE NOT ON THEIR MEDS, BUT WE CAN, WE ALSO CAN CALL WHO THEIR CASE MANAGER IS.

AND WE'VE HAD CASE MANAGERS COME DOWN AND GIVE THEM MEDICATION OR ENCOURAGE THE MEDICATION, UM, THAT, UM, HOUSING, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S SO OUT OF REACH, I'VE BEEN IN GARLAND FOR 25 YEARS AND MY HOUSE ISN'T PAID OFF YET, BUT I COULDN'T SELL IT AND MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THIS TIME.

SO IMAGINE STARTING WITH NOTHING AND TRYING TO GET INTO HOUSING, IT'S FINANCIALLY, ALMOST UNREACHABLE.

AND ANOTHER CITY CAN'T NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY, UM, WE HAVE BEEN GROPING FOR WAYS THAT WE CAN BETTER SERVE.

AND WE, I MEAN, WE DO OUR HOMELESS TASK FORCE HAS BEEN REALLY GOOD ABOUT PUTTING PEOPLE IN THE WAY OF RESOURCES, UM, ACTS MEMORIAL.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, THEY'VE STOPPED SERVING THE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE HOMELESS ALMOST A YEAR AGO.

WOW.

SO NEW LIBERTY BAPTIST CHURCH IS WHERE WE'RE PRIMARILY AIMING PEOPLE AT THIS POINT.

OKAY.

UM, SO, AND WE'VE NOT CLOSED DOWN EVEN ONE DAY DURING THIS WHOLE PANDEMIC WE'VE BEEN OPERATIONAL.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

SO ONE THING I WONDERED, UM, IN DENTON, I WENT AND TOURED WITH THE, UM, WITH COMMISSIONER DANIEL, A NEW FACILITY THERE THAT WAS BUILT FOR FEMALE VETERANS, HOMELESS VETERANS.

AND IT WAS HOUSING SPECIFICALLY GEARED FOR HOMELESS FEMALE VETERANS.

IT WAS FULL, IT WAS A COMPLETE WITH A PROGRAM THAT HAD A LOT OF TRANSITIONAL SERVICES.

IT WASN'T MADE TO BE, IT WASN'T MADE TO BE PERMANENT HOUSING.

IT'S A REALLY NICE, BEAUTIFUL FACILITY, BUT IT'S MADE TO GIVE THEM A PLACE TO STAY, GET ESTABLISHED, GET A JOB AND ALL THAT.

AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY PURCHASED PROPERTY HERE IN GARLAND, IN MY DISTRICT THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR, UM, WHICH MADE ME START THINKING, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE THING I HAVE WONDERED ABOUT IS IF WE, AS A CITY, IF ONE OF OUR ACTION ITEMS COULD BE, UH, ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR PARTNERSHIPS LIKE THAT, WHICH WOULD BE WITH DEVELOPERS, RIGHT.

UM, AND POSSIBLY LOOKING AT INCENTIVIZING THEM TO AIM TOWARD VETERANS, UM, WE HAVE, DON'T HAVE NEARLY AS MUCH RESISTANCE TO HOMELESS VETERANS AS WE DO

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TO HOMELESS OTHER PEOPLE.

SO THE COMMUNITY SEEMS TO HAVE A LOT MORE, UM, ABILITY TO EMBRACE, UH, PEOPLE WHO HAVE SERVED.

SO, UM, THE ONLY THING THAT I DO SEE WHAT SHELTERS AND NOT JUST, I CAN'T DO WHATEVER I WANT, BUT A SHELTER YOU HAVE TO BE CHECKED IN TO THAT PLACE.

MY EARLIEST IS THREE.

AND I THINK THE LATEST IS FIVE OR SIX.

WELL, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN A, A JOB, YOU CAN'T GET BACK TO THAT SHELTER IN TIME.

THE THING IN DENTON, ISN'T A SHOW IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LARGE HOME WITH INDIVIDUAL, UM, BEDROOMS AND, AND VERY INDEPENDENT LIVING.

SO THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE A CASE WORKER WHO, UM, WHO LIVES THERE, BUT IT ISN'T, IT DOESN'T OPERATE LIKE A SHELTER.

SO.

HELLO, SIR.

HOW ARE YOU DOING THIS IS ED FONDER.

WHAT IS YOUR LAST NAME, SIR? FONDER VON DER.

GOTCHA.

AND, UM, ARE YOU A NAVY VETERAN? SO I'M GUESSING.

OKAY.

WELL THANK YOU FOR COMING.

AND I'LL JUST REPEAT TO YOU WHAT, WHAT WE ARE PROBING FOR.

AND WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE FOR A WHILE.

WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOME CONCRETE ACTION ITEMS, EVEN ONE, UM, AVAILABLE TO US AS A CITY GOVERNMENT, THAT WE CAN BETTER SERVE OUR HOMELESS VETERANS, WHO, WHO COME ACROSS OUR PATH HERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALREADY DOING THINGS LIKE, UM, CONNECTING THEM TO RESOURCES FOR REHOUSING.

AND, AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS WITH DOZENS AND DOZENS OF PEOPLE GOING INTO PERMANENT HOUSING.

BUT, UM, HERE IN THE CITY OF WE, WE DON'T HAVE A, A SHELTER AND PROBABLY DON'T WANT THAT KIND OF A SHELTER.

WE INTERACT A LOT WITH THE SHELTERS THAT ALREADY EXISTS AND THE PROGRAMS THAT ALREADY EXIST.

AND WE WERE JUST HEARING ABOUT THE VETERANS RESOURCE CENTER.

UM, BUT LOOKING FOR OTHER WAYS THAT WE, AS A CITY CAN BETTER SERVE HOMELESS VETERANS.

WE WENT ACROSS AND WHEN I WAS JUST TELLING THEM IS I TOURED LAST YEAR WITH COMMISSIONER DANIEL, A, A FACILITY, IT WAS A HOUSE, A BRAND NEW HOUSE.

IT WAS BUILT WITH MANY DIFFERENT ROOMS THAT ARE LIKE APARTMENTS AND THAT'S FOR FEMALE HOMELESS VETERANS.

AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY SCREEN THEM, THEY BRING THEM IN, THEY LIVE THEY'RE FREE.

THEY HAVE CERTAIN HOUSEHOLD RESPONSIBILITIES, HELP THEM FIND JOBS, HELP THEM GET TRANSPORTATION.

AND THEN THE THING IS EVENTUALLY MOVED OUT AND THEY GET THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT THING, BUT IT, IT, UM, IT IS A VERY FASCINATING MODEL AND IT'S WORKING.

AND SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, COME HERE TO THIS CITY SOMEDAY.

AND THAT WOULDN'T BE US DOING THAT.

THAT WOULD BE A DEVELOPER COMING IN AND DOING THAT.

BUT, UM, SO ENCOURAGING THAT, UM, BUT ANYWAY, IDEAS, DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN OUR REACH AS A CITY GOVERNMENT THAT MIGHT MAKE US PUT US IN A BETTER POSITION TO HELP ADEQUATELY HELP HOMELESS VETERANS ON THE PATH ON THE PATH? I THINK, UH, TRAININGS, YOU KNOW, UH, GETTING PEOPLE TRAINED TO, UH, BE EMPLOYED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU COME OUT OF THE MILITARY, I CAME OUT WITH PTSD WHEN I GOT OUT AND I WAS DEPRESSED AND I WENT THROUGH A LOT OF THINGS.

AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU DO IN THE MILITARY, DOESN'T WORK OUT HERE IN THE CIVILIAN WORLD.

SO SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO BE RETRAINED AND YOUR BRAIN HAS TO BE RETRAINED.

SOME OF THESE GUYS, UH, THEY NEED NEW SKILL, SKILL LEARNING, LIKE, UH, AT THE RESOURCE CENTER, THEY DO WELDING FORKLIFT CLASSES, THINGS OF THOSE NATURE.

UH, TRANSPORTATION IS ONE MAIN THING.

BUS PASSES BECAUSE THE VETERANS, MOST OF OUR VETERANS DON'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION AND DART AND BUSES IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THEM GETTING IN AND OUT OF EVERYWHERE THEY NEED TO GO.

SO, AND JUST HAVING SOMEBODY, JUST REALLY, A LOT OF OUR VETERANS JUST NEED SOMEBODY JUST TO, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T NEED A HANDOUT, THEY JUST NEED SOMEBODY TO KIND OF LIFT THEM UP AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, UH, I JUST NEED A LITTLE HELP RIGHT NOW ONCE THEY, LIKE YOU SAID, ONCE YOU GET THEM HEADSTART, THEY'LL MOVE ON THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL MOVE ON ON.

BUT A LOT OF THEM, THEY GET OUT AND THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY TO GO LEFT OR RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM DEALING WITH MENTAL HEALTH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, DRUG TREATMENT WHEN THEY COME OUT OF DRUG TREATMENT, WHICH A VA TAKE CARE OF, THEN THEY GOT TO HAVE A NEW PATH THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND A JOB NOW.

AND SO THEY NEED HELP, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT THE VETERAN RESOURCE CENTER DOES.

AND THEY CAN COME TO A PLACE THERE LIKE THAT AND NOT BE JUDGED.

ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, A LOT OF THESE GUYS ARE VERY, YOU KNOW, HAVE PRIDE.

THEY DON'T WANT TO ASK FOR HELP.

YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A LOT OF PRIDE.

I KNOW I DID.

IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO GO TO THE VA AND GET HELP, YOU

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KNOW, WITH MY DEPRESSION, MY PTSD, I WAS IN DENIAL OF IT.

I WAS LIKE, HEY, I'M TOUGH.

I'M SORRY.

I SERVED IN THE GULF WAR.

I CAN MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, BUT AFTER A WHILE, YOU KNOW, THE NON SLEEPING AND PUSHING AWAY YOUR FAMILY AND, UH, BEING DEPRESSED AND, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES A TOLL ON YOU BECAUSE YOU PUSH PEOPLE AWAY.

AND THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW.

SO I THINK THE TRAINING AND, YOU KNOW, UH, TRANSPORTATION WITH BUS PASSES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE WOULD DEFINITELY HELP, YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU HAD A DEVELOPER THAT WILL COME OUT AND HAVE THAT TYPE OF, UH, WHAT YOU SAID YOU HAVE, THAT WOULD BE PERFECT.

YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED SOMETHING STRUCTURED, STRUCTURED IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THEM BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY COME FROM AND STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT THAT YOU JUST MADE.

AND FOR SOME THAT, ISN'T SOMETHING THAT HAD CROSSED MY MIND BEFORE, BUT STRUCTURE.

OKAY.

YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, CHIEF BRIAN, YOU'RE LISTENING TO THIS AND YOU HAVE INTERACTED WITH HERE IN THE CITY WITH A LOT OF, DO YOU, DO YOU MIND COMING UP AND JOINING THEM? AND, UM, SO THIS IS CHIEF BRIAN, HE'S OUR CHIEF OF POLICE.

AND HE HAS, HE HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL.

HE, A HOMELESS TASK FORCE THAT HE HAS LARGELY ORGANIZED AND MADE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE THERE TO HELP, YOU KNOW, UM, THEY THEY'VE DONE AN OUTRAGEOUSLY GOOD JOB.

AND SO A LOT OF OUR HOMELESS COMMUNITY IN GARLAND ABSOLUTELY ADORES THE HOMELESS TASK FORCE.

SO, UM, ANYWAY, UM, YOU'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THIS.

DO YOU HAVE, UM, OBSERVATIONS OR SUGGESTIONS? UH, I'VE LEARNED A LITTLE BIT, WHICH IS GOOD.

UM, BUT WHAT THEY'VE SAID HAS MADE SENSE, YOU KNOW, WE, AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS SINCE I'VE BEEN CHIEF, IS IT'S AN ODD FIX FOR IT TO BE A POLICE SOLUTION.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE HIRED THE, OR WE'RE ABOUT TO HIRE THE SOCIAL WORKER THAT CAN GO OUT AND HELP US.

BUT IF IT COMES DOWN TO THAT, IT'S GOING TO BE US.

IT MEANS THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF FAILURES BEFORE IT GETS TO US.

AND NOW WE'RE HAVING TO HAVING TO DEAL WITH IT AND OFTEN FROM A CRIMINAL PART OF IT.

SO PARTNERING, UM, I THINK WOULD BE GREAT.

AND, UH, AND FIGURING OUT OTHER SOLUTIONS BESIDES THE CRIMINAL SOLUTION IS, IS OUR PREFERENCE.

SO ALL GOOD STUFF.

NO.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF OFFICERS THAT WORK AT OUR BEAT, WHICH I USED TO BE OFFICER TO LONG TIME AGO, BUT WE CALL IT BEAT, BUT THEY WORK IN OUR AREA.

AND A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL JUST DROP THEM OFF AT THE VETERAN RESOURCE CENTER.

CAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THESE GUYS ARE MENTAL HEALTH OR SOMETHING, SO WE CAN GET THEM THE RIGHT HELP.

AND WE CALL A CASEWORKER, SAY, WE'VE GOT JOHN DOE OVER HERE.

YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT NEED TO BRING THEM OVER SO THEY DON'T TAKE THEM TO JAIL.

CAUSE THEY REALIZED THIS IS A VETERAN THAT'S DEALING WITH METAL BUILDING ILLNESSES.

HE'S NOT JUST OUT HERE DOING THINGS CAUSE HE DOING IT BECAUSE HE'S A CRIMINAL, HE'S JUST DOING IT.

CAUSE HE HAD SOME, HE MIGHT BE OFF HIS MEDICATION, SLALOM, SELF MEDICATE, YOURSELF, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OFFICERS THAT WORK OUR AREA THAT THEY WILL JUST BRING THEM TO THE FRONT AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW HE'S A VETERAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY WORKED GOOD WITH US, WHAT THE DPD.

YEAH.

OKAY.

YOU KNOW? UM, YEAH, IT SOUNDS LIKE, YES.

UM, PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME AGAIN.

BONDER VOE FOR THE V I'D SPELL IT WITH A B I KNEW I HAD MESSED IT UP.

OKAY.

SORRY.

MY APOLOGY.

THANK YOU FOR COMING FIRST.

WORKING THROUGH TRAFFIC.

OH, OKAY.

YEAH.

WE APOLOGIZE FOR LBJ, BUT IT'LL BE, IT'S GOING TO GET BETTER.

UM, YOU MENTIONED, YOU MENTIONED THE TRANSPORTATION PIECE AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR THINGS AND I'M WONDERING, I, THAT MAY BE, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING AND I'M LOOKING AROUND THE ROOM CHIEF AND JUDD AND THE TRANSPORTATION PAPERS.

CAUSE I THOUGHT I KNOW DOD HAS A LOT OF, FOR SPECIAL TRANSPORTATION TAX.

THEY'VE GOT STUDENTS AND THEY'VE GOT, I THINK THEY'VE GOT NONPROFITS.

AND FOR SOME REASON I THOUGHT THAT THEY HAD A SPECIAL PROGRAM FOR VETERANS.

OKAY.

AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, LOW-HANGING FRUIT, CHIEF ERAS.

I, WHEN I, WHEN I, UH, SOME BELLS WENT OFF IN MY HEAD WHEN I HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE I JUST SAW THAT AT, AND IT'S A REAL CHALLENGE.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR OWN PRIVATE TRANSPORTATION AND IF YOU GET TRAINED, IF YOU GET A JOB, YOU'VE GOT TO GET THERE SOME KIND OF WAY.

AND UM, SO, UH, I JUST WANTED TO HEAR YOU LEVERAGE OVER MORE ON THAT.

WHAT EFFORTS HAS YOUR CENTER HAVE THERE BEEN CONVERSATIONS AND I W WE WILL PUSH FOR TIME, BUT HAVE, HAVE YOU ALL HAD CONVERSATION WITH DART ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION PIECE AND JUST BRIEFLY, IF SO, WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK

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HAVE YOU GOTTEN HERE IN A WATERSHED? YEAH, WE JUST WE'RE ABLE TO PURCHASE THE PASSES AT NON-PROFIT.

RIGHT.

THAT'S THE ONLY ACCOMMODATION THEY'LL MAKE FOR US.

OH, OKAY.

BUT, BUT INDIVIDUAL VETERANS, IF THEY WANTED TO WALK UP ONE OF THOSE MACHINES, THAT'S AT THE CORNER AND WANT TO DO THAT, THEY COULD NOT DO THAT.

WE CAN WORK ON.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THEY'RE ENROLLED IN THE WELDING CLASS.

THEY BECOME STUDENTS OF THE COLLEGE AND THEN THEY'RE ABLE TO GET, I'M A DISABLED VETERAN AND A FIVE RODE THE BUS.

UH, I COULD GET A DISCOUNT ON HALF, AS FAR AS MONTHLY BUS PASS.

THEY DO GIVE YOU A DISCOUNT WITH SHOWING.

YOU HAVE TO GO DOWN TO DARK, TAKE YOUR, UH, LETTER SHOWING THAT YOU ARE DISABLED.

YOU HAVE DISCIPLINE AND THEY WILL GIVE YOU A DISCOUNT.

BUT A LOT OF THESE GUYS THEY'RE HOMELESS.

THEY DON'T HAVE THEY'RE DISABLED, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.

EVEN THEY JUST PURCHASED A HALF PRICE ROOM.

YEAH.

OKAY.

WELL, IN SOME OF OUR, UM, SOME OF OUR SMALLER ORGANIZATIONS AND CHURCHES THAT INTERACT AND DO SACK LUNCHES AND THINGS, UM, DARK BEST PASSES.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THEY HAND OUT, BUT IT'S INTERMITTENT.

AND WHEN THEY RUN OUT OF MONEY, THEY RUN OUT OF PASSES.

SO A MORE ROBUST SOLUTION SEEMS LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD, WE COULD CERTAINLY PURSUE.

SO REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, THAT IDEA, UM, AND THE VETERANS WILL DO WORK TO GET A BUS PASS AT THE END OF THE DAY IS THEIR PAY.

SO THESE AREN'T A BUNCH OF LAZY.

WE DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING.

NO.

OKAY.

BUS PASSES AND BACKPACKS ARE, ARE ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS FOR HOMELESS VETERAN.

THAT'S HIS LIFE RIGHT THERE.

THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT DEFINITELY THEY, THEY WANT BECAUSE THEY PACKED HER LIFE IN THAT BACKPACK.

OKAY.

WELL, I, I THINK THAT BOTH OF THOSE ARE LOW-HANGING FRUIT MED, MASHALLAH, AND W WE HAVE A BACKPACK PROGRAM AS WELL.

AND SO WE, WE HAVE OUR OFFICERS HAVE BACKPACKS FULL OF SUPPLIES THAT WE HAND OUT.

SO, SO I THINK WE'VE GOT THAT COVERED IN GARLAND, BUT THE TRANSPORTATION WOULD BE GOOD.

OKAY.

THAT'S HELPFUL.

AND, AND SO YOUR CENTER, IF, IF WE WERE TO REGULARLY PROVIDE A ROBUST WAY FOR HOMELESS VETERANS IN THIS CITY WHO CROSS OUR PATHS TO HAVE TRANSPORTATION, IF THEY COME TO YOUR CENTER, HOW, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE OBSTACLES THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO ENTERING INTO YOUR PROGRAM? ARE THERE ANY OBSTACLES, DISHONORABLY DISCHARGED? THEY USUALLY BRING THEIR VA CARD OR THE DD TWO 14 SHOWING THAT THEY W THEY, THEY SERVE AND WE GIVE THEM AN ID BADGE.

IT HAS THEIR NAME, AND IT HAS THE, UH, WHAT BRANCH THEY SERVED.

AND EVERY TIME THEY COME GET CLOSED, WE SCAN EVERYTHING, MAKE SURE THEY'RE IN THE SYSTEM SO WE CAN KEEP UP WITH THEM.

SO IF A VETERAN GOES MISSING FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS AND OUR FAMILY, CAUSE I'VE HAD VETERANS THAT DIED, HAD HEART ATTACKS HAVE BEEN BEATEN AND ROBBED, YOU KNOW, AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS COME LOOKING FOR, WE CAN SAY, WELL, THEY WAS HERE ON 2, 18, 20, 20.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN HIM SINCE THEN.

YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SO WE KIND OF KEEP UP WITH HIM WITH THAT BADGE, YOU KNOW, AND SCANNING THEM CAUSE THEY GET CLOTHES AND HYGIENE.

SO IT'S KIND OF HELPFUL FOR THEM.

YEAH.

AND AS A SIDE NOTE, WE'RE SEEING A LOT MORE YOUNGER VETERANS THAT USED TO BE VIETNAM ERA.

AND WE'RE SEEING A LOT MORE OF THE, AND THESE PEOPLE COMING FROM GEORGIA, YOUR YARD.

I MEAN WITHOUT NO, NO FAMILY, FEMALE, 56 YEARS OLD CALLED ME LAST WEEK.

SHE'LL HAVE ANY FAMILY HERE.

SHE SLEEPING ON THE STREETS.

I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, SHE DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO.

YOU KNOW? SO WE'RE WORKING ON THE VA ON TRYING TO GET HER HOUSING IN A SHELTER.

CAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WORK WITH THE SALVATION ARMY UGM, UH, ALL THE DIFFERENT SHELTERS BECAUSE ALL THE SHELTERS PAY FOR THE VETERANS TO STAY THERE FOR THE LENGTH OF TIME.

THEY HAVE THEIR REGULAR SIDE, WHICH IS NON VETERANS AND YOU HAVE VETERANS SIDE AND THE VA, THE GOVERNMENT PAYS FOR THEM TO STAY THERE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.

AND I DID NOT KNOW THAT CONTRACT BEDS, THE VA THEY'RE CALLED GRANT PER DIEM.

YEAH.

AND THEY GO THROUGH THE VA, OUR SOCIAL WORKER WILL REFER THEM TO ONE OF THE, UH, THE, UH, SHELTERS SO THEY CAN GO THERE AND THEY WILL BE GOING THROUGH, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THEM IN HOUSING AND GET THEM CLEAN AND ALL THAT TYPE STUFF.

AND I'LL GET THEM OFF THE STREETS.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE RUN ACROSS, AND THIS IS LARGELY BECAUSE OF HAVING TOURED THE DENTON WOMEN, HOMELESS VETERANS FACILITY IS ALMOST EVERY WOMAN VETERAN WHO WAS HOUSED IN THAT FACILITY HAD NOT GONE TO THE VA.

THEY WERE SLEEPING IN THEIR CARS.

THEY WERE SLEEPING IN PART BECAUSE THEY WERE EMBARRASSED.

THEY WERE EMBARRASSED.

AND SO THEY, THEY,

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THERE SEEMS TO BE A, UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY, BUT THEY WERE MUCH LESS LIKELY THAN MALE VETERANS WHO HAD FALLEN INTO HOMELESSNESS TO ACTUALLY GO AND PRESENT THEMSELVES FOR HELP.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER KIND OF, UH, UH, DIFFICULT ELEMENT TO, WE DON'T THINK OF THE VA AS A WOMEN'S FACILITY.

RIGHT.

AND IT'S, YOU JUST DON'T AS A FEMALE, YOU DON'T THINK, OH, THEY DO HAVE THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT WE NEED.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE COME IN AT THE RESOURCE CENTER OF GIVING THEM RESOURCES, LETTING THEM KNOW.

CAUSE A LOT OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, I TELL A LOT OF VETERANS, THEY DON'T REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE THAT ACCOMMODATION OF, OF USING.

SO THAT'S WHAT IT'S LIKE OF A CENTER THING OF COMING THERE, YOU GET FED AND YOU GET RESOURCES, YOU GET, TAKE A SHOWER, HYGIENE, YOU KNOW, NORMAL STUFF THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW, THEY COULD GET, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH VALUE WOULD IT BE JUST IN YOUR OPINION IF WE HAD, UM, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE.

BUT IF WE HAD A, EVEN A PART-TIME HOMELESS COORDINATOR AFFILIATED WITH US, WHO COULD, WHO WOULD JUST DIRECTLY COORDINATE WITH YOU, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE CAN'T REPRODUCE IN THIS CITY, WHAT YOU'VE DONE.

UM, BUT TO, TO BETTER COORDINATE, UM, CAN, CAN YOU JUST TELL ME WHAT, HOW YOU WOULD SEE THAT WORKING? WHAT, WHAT COULD A PERSON ON RN DO TO MAKE THIS A BETTER PROCESS FOR US OR INTERACTING? WHAT WOULD YOU THINK BASICALLY, COMMUNICATION, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEY CALLED US? I GOT A VETERAN JUST CAME DOWN FROM SUCH AND SUCH.

CAN I SEND THEM TO THE RESOURCE CENTER, GIVE THEM THE DIRECTIONS, MAYBE GIVE THEM A BUS PASS.

THEY COME DOWN AND YOU KNOW, WE'LL TAKE IT, WE'LL TAKE IT FROM THERE.

AS FAR AS GETTING THEM TO HELP THEY NEED, YOU KNOW, CAUSE A OF TIMES THEY COME IN CITIES LIKE GARLAND AND THEY DON'T HAVE THAT.

SO THEY NEED TO KNOW WHERE IT'S AT, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR END OR AT LEAST MY PERSPECTIVE, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED A SOCIAL WORKER, RIGHT.

OR EITHER POSITION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I JUST NEED SOMEBODY THAT'S WILLING TO GO OUT IN THE STREETS AND WORK HANDS ON HANDS WITH THESE PEOPLE.

THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED HANDS ON HANDS, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE AND SOMEBODY THAT'S OUT THERE THAT THEY CAN TRUST AND THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND NOT JUDGMENTAL TO THEM.

YOU KNOW? CAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THEY LIKE, I'VE HEARD PEOPLE LIKE, WELL, I CAN'T BELIEVE VETERANS THAT DON'T HAVE JOBS.

I CAN'T BELIEVE VETERANS ARE HOMELESS.

THEY SAY THAT.

BUT UNTIL YOU'VE BEEN IN THEIR SHOES, YOU WOULDN'T REALIZE WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH.

YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I WAS TRYING TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN, CAUSE THE POLICE, THE, THE HOMELESS TASK FORCE RIGHT NOW IS THE ONE WHO CALLS, WHO MAKES THOSE CONNECTIONS, WHO DOES ALL THOSE THINGS.

I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING IT ALL.

AND SO TRYING TO SEE IF THERE WAS SOME OTHER, SOME OTHER WAY THAT WE COULD, UM, PROVIDE SOME OF THAT COORDINATION WITHOUT MAKING IT GO THROUGH THE OVERWORKED POLICE FORCE AND I'M LOOKING AT THE JAIL.

WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHAT OUR SOCIAL WORKER WILL DO AND UNDERSTAND THAT SOCIAL WORKER MAY NOT BE WHAT'S NEEDED FOR THAT, BUT UNDER, BUT IT'S ALSO A MUCH BIGGER JOB THAN JUST VETERAN HOMELESS.

IT'S ALL THE HOMELESS AND IT'S THE MENTAL HEALTH PART OF THAT.

THAT'S PROBABLY BIGGER THAN THE HOMELESS PART OF THAT.

AND SO THAT PERSON WOULD BE THE ONE COORDINATING, BUT THAT'S JUST ONE COORDINATION IS WITH THE VA AND WHAT THE OTHER RESOURCES, UM, THAT THIS PERSON WILL BE DOING.

BUT YEAH.

OKAY.

SO YOUR SOCIAL WORKER, ALONG WITH EVERYTHING ELSE HE OR SHE WILL BE DOING WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS PIECE WITHOUT THAT BEING, UM, TAKING IT, W W WHAT THIS PERSON WILL BE DOING IS CONNECTING PEOPLE WITH RESOURCES.

AND SO THE VA HOSPITAL IS ONE RESOURCE, BUT THERE'S, UM, AND IT'S, AND IT'S FOR SPECIFIC VA HOME, I MEAN, VETERAN HOMELESSNESS, BUT, UH, THE MAJORITY OF HOMELESS WE DEAL WITH AREN'T VETERANS.

AND, AND SO IT'S ALL THOSE CONNECTIONS IS WHAT THIS PERSON, YOU KNOW, TODD, JERRY DOES A LOT OF THIS RIGHT NOW, BUT I NEED TODD IN THE FIELD, YOU KNOW? AND SO PUTTING HIM IN THE FIELD MORE AND HAVING THAT SUPPORT IN THE BACKGROUND IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP.

YEAH.

SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

IS, IS IT A REDUNDANCY IF WE HAD, CAUSE ORIGINALLY THAT'S, WHAT WE HAD ASKED FOR LAST YEAR IS EXACTLY THE, THE SOCIAL WORKER THINKING THAT THAT WOULD HELP SERVE THIS PURPOSE OF COORDINATING.

SO WOULD IT BE REDUNDANT TO HAVE ANOTHER PERSON? I THINK WE COULD USE 10 OF THE ONE PERSON.

AND, UH, I TALKED TO GREG CONNOLLY, THE CHIEF AND MCKINNEY, AND THEY JUST HIRED THEIR FIRST.

AND HE'S LIKE, I'M ALREADY LOOKING FOR THREE OR FOUR MORE.

I THINK THIS IS STEP ONE.

BUT I THINK, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM AND WORK MUCH MORE THAN ONE FOR A COORDINATOR, BUT THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE, UH, A SOCIAL WORKER.

I THINK, ANY SUPPORT THAT YOU GIVE, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WITH PROFESSIONAL DEGREES AND EXPERIENCE AND TRAINING WOULD BE IDEAL TO HEAD THAT, BUT THE SUPPORT THAT THEY HAVE WITH THEM, UH, COULD, I THINK IT COULD BE A NUMBER OF TITLES

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THAT YOU PUT WITH THEM, BUT YOU COULD HAVE, UH, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A MALE OFFICER DEALING WITH A FEMALE HOMELESS VETERAN, YOU COULD HAVE A FEMALE, SHE FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH TELLING HIM ABOUT ANYTHING THAT'S PERSONAL WITH HER OR ANYTHING GOING ON.

SOMETIMES AT WORK ARE BETTER WITH, YOU KNOW, YEAH.

MOST OF OUR TASKFORCE ARE, ARE FEMALES, BUT THEY, THEY WORK REALLY WELL.

BUT, UM, GENTLEMEN, OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, UM, OH NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS.

I'M GOOD.

I THINK WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE LOW HANGING FRUIT CHIEF, RIGHT.

THAT I THINK WE CAN MOVE FROM HERE AND, AND DO SOME THINGS.

UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING WOULD COME OUT OF MEMORY CHAIR, THIS DISCUSSION.

AND I THINK WE FOUND THAT LOW HANGING FRUIT AND YOU CLEARED UP MY MISCONCEPTION ABOUT DARREN.

UM, BUT WE HAVE A VERY, WE HAVE A VERY POSITIVE WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH DART, SO WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE SOME, UH, WE CAN MAKE SOME THINGS HAPPEN, UH, AND PARTNERSHIP WITH DARK TO ADDRESS THE TRANSPORTATION OF PIECE.

SO, SO I'M GOOD, MAN.

OKAY.

SO JUST TO REITERATE SOME OF THE POINTS WE TOUCHED ON, UM, THAT ARE, ARE WITHIN OUR LIKELY WITHIN OUR REACH EITHER NOW OR EVENTUALLY, UM, WHEN WOULD BE THE PROBLEM WITH TRANSPORTATION THAT WOULD INCLUDE BUS PASSES, WHICH IS POSSIBLE TO BE COORDINATED WITH DART, UM, BACKPACKS ARE COVERED ALREADY, UM, ENCOURAGING DEVELOPERS TO COME IN, WHO MIGHT BE WILLING TO BUILD, UM, FACILITIES FOR HOMELESS VETERANS, NOT SHELTERS, BUT SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE MODEL THAT WE SAW HOUSING, UM, FOR HOMELESS VETERANS, UM, AND A HOME ONE OR MORE HOMELESS COORDINATORS HAVE SOME NUMBER OF HOURS THAT COULD INTERACT WITH THE SOCIAL WORKER AND WITH THE HOMELESS COMMUNITY TO CONNECT TO RESOURCES.

AND YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE CAN HAVE TOO MANY, UM, SO, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, DID I MISS ANY, ANYTHING ON THE POINTS? OKAY, GOT IT.

OKAY, GOOD.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOUR HELP.

APPRECIATE KNOWING MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND UM, AND WE WILL LOOK FORWARD TO TAKING SOME ACTIONS THAT I HOPE WILL BE HELPFUL.

I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING KIM CARDS.

YOU ALREADY KNOW HOW TO REACH ME.

OKAY.

UM, OUR COMMITTEE, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN US, UM, GOING AHEAD AND MAKING THIS, UH, REFINED AT THIS POINT TO REPORT OUT THE, THE POINTS THAT WE JUST WENT OVER.

RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

OKAY.

WE WERE GOOD WITH IT, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE, WE'VE GOT THE FRAME, WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT.

NOT GOING TO HAVE THE, THE DETAILS OF IT, BUT YES, I WOULD.

I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

MA'AM SHARED THAT WE REPORT THIS OUT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, IN THAT CASE, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE, WHICH IS DISCUSSION CONCERNING THE REGULATION OF FOOD TRUCKS AND ACTUAL TRAILERS.

THIS WAS COUNCILMAN VERA'S, UM, ISSUE THAT HE BROUGHT.

AND I THINK, UH, JIM, ARE YOU ABLE TO COME UP AND TALK US THROUGH THIS? I THINK WE HAVE A WHOLE TEAM.

OH, COME ON TEAM.

WELL, WE'LL START.

CAUSE I WANT TO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, PREFACE THIS WITH IT'S SOMEWHAT MULTIFACETED, THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH FOOD TRUCKS, UM, PART OF IT IS HEALTH AND PART OF IT IS, UM, ZONING AND CODE ENFORCEMENT BUILDING INSPECTION.

AND SO WE THOUGHT WE'D GO OVER SOME HISTORY TOO, BUT I THINK, UM, FIRST I'D LIKE THE, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO TELL YOU HOW THEY REGULATE FOOD TRUCKS, BECAUSE TO ME, THIS IS TWO WAYS LAWN, CAN THEY SAFELY SERVE FOOD OUT OF THAT? AND THAT'S THE HEALTH DEPARTMENTS SIDE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, DO THEY HAVE HOT WATER? DO THEY HAVE WHAT THEY NEED TO SAFELY SERVE FOOD OUT OF THAT? AND THE OTHER PART OF THAT THEN IS WHERE ARE THEY ALLOWED IN THE CITY AND HOW ARE THEY OPERATING? ARE THEY CREATING PROBLEMS? THAT TYPE OF THING.

SO I THINK WE'LL LET THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UH, JASON OR WHOEVER YOU'VE GOT COME UP AND ADDRESS THAT FIRST.

AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT AND THEN FIGURE OUT, GIVE COUNCIL SOME OPTIONS AND FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU'D LIKE US TO GO.

OKAY, WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, SO IN TERMS OF FOOD TRUCKS, WE HAVE, WE HAVE 68 FOOD TRUCKS UNDER PERMIT.

NOW WHAT IS TYPICALLY REFERRED TO AS A FOOD TRUCK IN ORDINANCE AS A MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE? THEY'RE THE HOT TRUCKS, IF YOU, UH, IF ANYBODY'S EVER SEEN KLYDE

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WARREN PARK AND THE LINE OF TRUCKS THAT ARE THERE TO SERVE THE, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CITIZENS IN THAT AREA, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, ESSENTIALLY YOU CAN THINK OF THAT.

WE CLASSIFY RESTAURANTS FROM CLASS ONE, CLASS 10, BUT, UM, A MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE IS ESSENTIALLY A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT ON WHEELS.

MOST OF THE STANDARDS THAT A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT HAS TO MEET IN TERMS OF BOTH FACILITIES AND FOOD PREPARATION APPLY TO THESE MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES.

NOW I SAY MOST OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO, UM, COMPLY WITH THE SAME STANDARDS IN TERMS OF BATHROOMS OR MOP SINKS, BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IN THE KITCHEN OF A FAST READ RESTAURANT, UM, THAT'S GONNA LOOK A LOT LIKE A MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE EXCEPT SMALLER, UH, FOOD HAS TO BE SERVED ON SINGLE USE ITEMS. SO THEY DON'T CUSTOMERS DON'T RETURN PLATES OR SILVERWARE, THAT SORT OF THING.

SO, UM, I THINK, UH, I'LL STOP THERE UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF PARTICULARLY ISSUE PERMITS.

FOR THOSE WE ISSUE ANNUAL PERMITS, WE HAVE 68 UNDER PERMIT, UM, A COMBINATION OF TRUCKS AND TRAILERS, UM, AND THEY GET INSPECTED AT LEAST AS OFTEN AS, UM, YOUR AVERAGE FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, WHICH IS A MINIMUM OF TWICE A YEAR.

AND IF, IF THEIR SCORES ARE POOR, THEY SEE US MORE OFTEN.

WE HAVE A RISK-BASED, UM, UH, PROCESS WHERE WE FOCUS MORE ATTENTION ON THE POOR PERFORMING ESTABLISHMENT.

SO, UM, LET ME, LET ME ASK COUNCILMAN VERA TOO, SINCE THIS WAS YOUR ISSUE, WHY DON'T YOU JUST QUICKLY SHARE WHAT YOUR CONCERNS WERE? OKAY.

MY CONCERNS WERE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE, UH, REGULAR RESTAURANTS LIKE SAIGON MALL.

OKAY.

SAIGON MALL OUTSIDE HAVE THREE OR FOUR TRAILER OUT THERE.

THEY'D TAKE A LOT OF SPACE PARKING SPACE.

SO I WAS WONDERING HOW COME THE RESTAURANTS IN THERE? THEY'RE THE ONES THAT COMPLAINED TO ME, THE RESTAURANTS IN THERE HAD TO HAVE A CEO AND HAVE TO BE INSPECTED JUST LIKE YOU SAID, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A CEO AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME TO THE CITY AND SAY, WE'RE GONNA PARK HERE.

WE'RE GONNA WORK HERE.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO KIND OF ABILITY.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

AND I KNOW JIM'S PROBABLY GOT SOME, SOME ZONING TAP REQUIREMENTS THAT HE CAN DISCUSS FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT STANDPOINT.

AND ANOTHER THING IS ANOTHER CONCERN.

THE PEOPLE THAT PUT THEM IN THERE, I'M TALKING STRICTLY ABOUT THE ONE ON, UH, PAOLO AND JUPITER.

AND THAT, THAT PLAYS THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A CARWASH AND IS SUP FOR CARWASH.

BUT HE PUTS ALL THIS TRAILERS THERE AND HE GOT THE CAR WASH OUT OF THERE.

THERE'S NO CAR WASH.

THEY'RE PARKED ON THIS TRAVELER, IN THAT PARK THERE PERMANENTLY.

THEY DON'T EVEN TAKE, UH, EXCUSE ME.

THEY DON'T TAKE THEM OUT AND BRING THEM BACK THERE.

THEY'RE PERMANENT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M DRIVING AT.

OKAY.

AND THAT WE'VE GOT THAT STUFF COMING.

SO, NO, I'M JUST SAYING WHY I BROUGHT THIS UP AND ABSOLUTELY.

WE WANT TO BRING ALL THAT INFORMATION TO YOU BECAUSE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A TON OF ISSUES THAT GO WITH THESE.

UM, BUT I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE HEALTH FIRST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, HEALTH DEPARTMENT DOES ISSUE A PERMIT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SOME CONFUSION.

WHEN WE GO UP AND TALK TO SOMEBODY IN A FOOD TRUCK, THEY GO, OH, I GOT A PERMIT FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

WE'LL GO WELL, YEAH, BUT YOU DIDN'T GET A PERMIT TO DO THAT HERE.

YOU GOT A PERMIT SAYING YOU WERE HEALTHY OR AT LEAST YOUR FACILITY WAS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING, YOU KNOW, A FOOD THAT WASN'T CONTAMINATED, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO, AND THEN ANOTHER THING YOU HOPE NOT, BUT IF SOMEBODY GETS SICK AND THEY MOVED THAT TRAILER TO ANOTHER PARKING SPACE, YOU CAME FIND THAT PLACE, THAT PERSON, THAT'S WHAT I'M DRIVING ARE SOME CITIES THAT HAVE ADDRESSED THAT IN CERTAIN HAVING OUR TINNER AREAS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND WE'LL DISCUSS SOME OF THOSE GIVE YOU.

OKAY, THAT'S FINE.

YOU HAVE SOME, THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S IT? THAT'S MY ONE OF YOURS.

DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? OKAY, JIM, YOU LED ME INTO MY QUESTION.

UM, AND JASON CAN DO, YOU MENTIONED

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THAT ONE, UM, JASON'S TEAMS PERMIT THE MONTH FROM THE HEALTH SIDE.

AND THEN BEFORE THEY SHOW UP NOW, WORST CASE, UM, CO PRIVATE PROPERTY, IF THEY OWN OTHER PROPERTIES SAY, OH YEAH, YOU CAN PUT YOUR TRUCK THERE.

WE SHOULD KNOW WE HAD ONE RECENTLY IN MY DISTRICT AND THEY WERE PARKED THERE BECAUSE THE OWNER OF THE, THE BIG, THE BIG BOX THERE SAID THEY COULD PARK THERE.

WELL, THEY DIDN'T NEED IT.

ACCORDING TO WHAT I UNDERSTAND, CORRECT ME, IF I'M WRONG, THEY DIDN'T NEED ANYTHING FROM YOU BECAUSE THE FOLKS WHO OWNS IT SAID THEY COULD PARK THERE.

SO CAN YOU CLARIFY? THAT'S THAT WAS THE EXPLANATION THAT THEY PROVIDED TO OUR HEALTH INSPECTOR.

HOW'D SHE GET HERE? AND WHY ARE YOU HERE? THE FOLKS WHO IN THAT BUILDING WHO OWNS THIS SPOT SAID, I CAN DO IT HERE.

THEY DIDN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING FROM THE CITY.

SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND.

AND THEN LET'S GET INTO THAT RIGHT NOW.

WHEN I GOT HERE, WHICH WAS SIX YEARS AGO, UM, WE HAD, WE WOULD REGULATE FOOD TRUCKS BASED ON OUR SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.

WE HAVE NO REGULATIONS DIRECTLY ADDRESSING FOOD TRUCKS.

SO WE WOULD DO IT THROUGH OUR SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.

WE HAD A, A VENDOR ACTUALLY APPEAL THAT, OR, YOU KNOW, SAYING YOU DON'T HAVE THAT.

RIGHT.

AND THE ATTORNEY GOES, YEAH, WE, OUR CITY ATTORNEY GOES, YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

RIGHT.

SO WE WERE, UH, PERMITTING THEM THROUGH OUR SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT AND NOT DON'T REALLY HAVE THE ORDINANCE THAT BACKED THAT UP.

SO WE STOPPED.

AND SO NOW WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF THESE OUT THERE AS COUNCILMAN MAYOR TALKS ABOUT.

WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF THEM THAT THEY'RE GOING ALL OVER THE PLACE AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY REGULATIONS.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY DEFINED USE.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, IN OUR, OUR FOOD TRUCK PARKS THAT ARE ASSESSORY USE.

AND TEMPORARY USES THAT THESE FOOD TRUCKS CAN GO BY AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY REGULATIONS THAT ADDRESS THAT.

SO THAT IS WHY YOU ALL SEE THE PROBLEM WE'RE HERE.

I'M GOING TO TELL YOU KIND OF WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE AND SEE WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO DO TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.

OR IF THERE ARE NOTHING, IF YOU LIKE THE WAY IT IS, WE'LL GO FIND WITH THE WAY IT IS TOO.

SO I MAY GO TO HIT IT OPTIONS.

OKAY.

JASON, WHERE YOU WERE, YOU WERE MOTIONING.

WELL, JUST, JUST SO YOU ALL HAVE THE HISTORY.

UM, IN, IN 2012, THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN CHAPTER 22 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, WHICH IS THE HEALTH CHAPTER THAT GOVERNS A MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES.

PRIOR TO 2012, THEY WERE HIGHLY RESTRICTED ON, UM, HOW LONG THEY COULD BE AT ONE LOCATION, HOW FREQUENTLY THEY COULD GO TO ONE LOCATION AND WHO THEY COULD SERVE.

SO THEY WERE LIMITED TO THREE STOPS PER DAY, MAXIMUM OF ONE HOUR PER STOP.

AND THEY COULD ONLY SERVE, UM, FOLKS THAT WORKED AT THAT LOCATION.

SO THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO SERVE WALKUP CUSTOMERS.

NOW, THIS WAS THE WAY THE RULES WERE WHEN I CAME ON BOARD 21 YEARS AGO.

AND, AND I GATHER, YOU KNOW, I ASSUME THE RULES WERE IN PLACE TO REALLY RESTRICT THEM TO INDUSTRIAL SITES.

THAT SORT OF THING 2012 WAS WHEN KLYDE WARREN PARK OPENED UP.

AND IT WAS ACTUALLY, UM, WE TALKED TO THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE AT THAT TIME.

UM, THEY WERE, THEY REALLY LIKED THAT CONCEPT OF FOOD TRUCKS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

SO THOSE RESTRICTIONS WERE ESSENTIALLY ALL LIFTED.

SO, SO IN TERMS OF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, THERE'S NO RESTRICTION ON WHERE THEY GO PROVIDED.

THEY HAVE THE PERMISSION OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.

THERE'S NO RESTRICTION ON HOW MANY TIMES THEY WOULD GO THERE OR HOW OFTEN THEY STAY THERE.

THE ONLY RESTRICTION THAT WE HAVE IN TERMS OF, OF HOW OFTEN, OR HOW LONG THEY STAY AT ONE LOCATION IS BY ORDINANCE.

THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO RETURN TO WHAT'S CALLED A COMMISSARY, A SERVICING AREA DAILY.

UM, SO IF WE'VE GOT A STAB, IF WE'VE GOT TRAILERS THAT ARE STAYING THERE PERMANENTLY, THEN THEY'RE VIOLATING THAT SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE, BUT THAT MAY TAKE THEM AN HOUR.

SO THEY MAY BE IN ONE LOCATION, 23 HOURS A DAY.

AND THAT'S NOT A VIOLATION ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCES THAT ARE, THAT ARE ON THE BOOKS AT THIS TIME.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THAT'S THANKS FOR THE HISTORY FOR BOTH OF YOU.

SO, SO JIM, WE WANT OPTIONS, LET LET'S, UH, LET ME GET, UH, RICK UP HERE TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SHOW YOU SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE'RE SEEING OUT THERE, BECAUSE WE ARE SEEING, UM, TRAFFIC ISSUES, PARKING ISSUES, UH, GENERAL SAFETY ISSUES IN PARKING LOTS, UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING AND THAT YOU ALL MAY ALSO SEE, BUT WE WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO SHOW YOU THOSE.

RICK'S GOT SOME PICTURES OF THOSE BLOCKING INTERSECTIONS, THE, THAT APOLLO AND, UM, JUPITER WON.

UH, MY, MY PLANS EXAMINER WENT BY THERE AND, AND TOOK SOME PICTURES.

THEY WERE BACK DOWN 5, 6, 7 VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, DOWN

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IN THE STREET, JUST BLOCKING A WHOLE LANE OF TRAFFIC, NOT GOING TO WORK.

THANK YOU.

MADAM CHAIR AND COUNSEL, UH, AS JIM SAID, THIS, THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING OUT IN THE FIELD, UH, THESE MOBILE TRAILERS AND FOOD TRUCKS THAT ARE SELF-CONTAINED, UH, OR THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, HOOKED UP WITH POWER AT SOME OF THESE LOCATIONS.

THEY'VE, THEY'VE BOOTLEGGED ELECTRICITY, UH, INTO JUNCTION BOXES.

UH, SO THEY THEY'VE, THEY'VE GOT FULL-BLOWN POWER AT SOME OF THESE LOCATIONS.

UH, THEY HAVE PROPANE COOKING OR PREPPING SOURCES.

UH, WE'RE SEEING THOSE THAT HAVE TABLES AND CHAIRS SET UP FOR CUSTOMERS TO CONSUME FOOD ON SITE.

UH, ALSO SOME OUTDOOR LIGHTING FOR NIGHTTIME.

UH, WE'RE SEEING FEATHER AND BANNER TEMPORARY SIGNAGE, UH, AT THE LOCATIONS, UH, AS JIM MENTIONED, PARKING AND REGULAR PARKING SPOTS, UH, OR POSSIBLE FIRE LANES, UH, CREATING POTENTIAL HAZARDS INVOLVING ELECTRICAL FIRE VEHICLE AND FOOT TRAFFIC CONGESTION.

WHAT WE'VE DONE, WE'VE, WE'VE TAKEN A FEW PHOTOGRAPHS OF SOME OF THE LOCATIONS AROUND TOWN.

YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN SOME OF THESE.

UM, I'LL TRY TO KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME OF THE LOCATION, UH, BY MEMORY, BUT, UH, THIS IS AT THE CORNER OF DAIRY AND, UH, AVENUE D HIGHWAY 66.

UH, THIS, THIS FOOD VENDOR SHOWS UP THERE OCCASIONALLY, UH, AND DOES APPEAR TO BE MOVING, UH, ROUTINELY.

UH, WE DON'T SEE THIS, THIS FOOD VENDORS, UH, STAYING THERE OVERNIGHT, UH, FOR MULTIPLE DAYS, VERY POPULAR, VERY POPULAR, UH, COUNCILMAN VIERA.

THIS IS THE LOCATION YOU MENTIONED EARLIER AT APOLLO AND, UH, JUPITER.

UH, THIS IS THE, UM, THE CARWASH WHERE MULTIPLE TRAILERS AND A MOBILE FOOD UNIT, A MOTORIZED VEHICLE IS PARKED THERE.

UH, AND THEY ARE, THEY, THEY APPEAR TO BE THERE PERMANENTLY.

I MEAN, THEY ARE WIRED IN, UH, WITH ELECTRICAL, UM, SERVICE AND, UH, THEY, THEY APPEAR TO BE THERE.

UM, LONG-TERM AND ALSO WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, WITH THE BANNER SIGNAGE, THE FEATHER SIGNAGE, DO YOU HAVE THIS AT NIGHT? THE PICTURE AT NIGHT, A PICTURE AT NIGHT? NO, I DO NOT.

WELL, YOU SEE ALL THOSE THAT, THAT DRIVEWAY RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THEM? YES.

THEY PUT OUT CHAIRS AND TABLES AND THEN THEY PUT LIGHTS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

LIKE A CARNIVAL YOU CAN SEE TO ON THE, UH, ON THE LEFT LEFT SIDE OF THE PHOTOGRAPH, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, UH, THE LIGHTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE STRONG THERE.

SO YEAH, I, HERE HERE'S A BACKSIDE VIEW KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE, WITH THE ELECTRICAL.

THEY GOT ALL THE CARS PARKED RIGHT IN THERE WHERE THE CAR WATCH WAS GUTSY.

UH, THIS IS THE, UH, ONE LOCATION THAT, UH, I BELIEVE THIS IS GOING TO BE BUCKINGHAM AND NORTH GARLAND ROAD.

I BELIEVE THIS IS THE ONE JIM HAD MENTIONED EARLIER.

UM, THIS IS THE, UH, THE, UH, SNOWBALL PLACE THAT, UH, THE QUESTION, UH, OUR, OUR ABILITY TO REGULATE THIS AT THE TIME.

UH, AGAIN, THERE'S SOME, HERE'S SOME ELECTRICAL THAT'S, UH, IT'S TAPPED INTO A JUNCTION BOX.

YEAH.

THEY, WELL, THEY GET THEIR ELECTRICAL OFF THE SIGN, OFF THE SIGN.

AND THEN, AND THEN ALSO, UH, UH, ACTUALLY, UH, INSTALLED A SIGN ON THE, UH, ON THE, ON THE, ON THE, ON THE COLUMN THERE.

SO THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW ABOUT THIS.

WE DON'T HAVE ORDINANCES SUFFICIENT TO SAY NO.

WELL, WE COULD PROBABLY ADDRESS SOME OF THE ELECTRICAL ISSUES, UH, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WE CAN'T STOP HIM FROM BEING THERE CURRENTLY.

OKAY.

UM, HERE, HERE'S THE LOCATION AT CORNER OF CASTLE IN THE COUNTRY CLUB? UH, AGAIN, UH, JUST A ROUTINE, UM, RANDOM APPEARANCE, UH, NOT THERE, UH, AS STABLE AS THE OTHERS.

THIS IS THE BACKSIDE VIEW.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY'VE GOT THE CANOPY SET UP WITH THE TABLES AND THE CHAIRS AND THE TRAILER, AND THEN THE SIGN IS ATTACHED TO THE FRONT OF THE PICKUP TRUCK THAT PULLS THE TRAILER.

AND HERE'S THE FRONT VIEW THAT SAME, SAME LOCATION.

THIS IS AT THE CORNER OF WALNUT AND A COUNTRY CLUB AS WELL, UH, AT A, AT A GAS STATION, CONVENIENCE STORE.

UH, THIS ONE STAYS THERE PRETTY MUCH, UH, UH, ALL THE TIME.

UM, BUT IT IT'S JUST OPEN FOR BUSINESS.

OCCASIONALLY.

THIS IS THE CORNER OF THE BELTLINE IN SHILOH.

I HAD A CONVENIENCE STORE, AND THIS IS THE, UH, SAIGON MALL THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED, COUNCILMAN

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VIERRA.

THIS IS, UH, TWO, TWO OF THE FOUR THAT WERE THERE, UH, TODAY THAT ARE, THAT ARE THERE FREQUENTLY.

AND HERE ARE THE OTHER TWO.

THEY PARKED THERE ALL THE TIME, ALL THE TIME.

I BELIEVE THEY'RE THERE ALL THE TIME.

YES, PERMANENTLY ANYWAY, THAT'S IT.

THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE.

NO, ALSO SEVERAL OTHERS THAT I SEE COMING TO AND FROM WORK, WHEN I GO DOWN 78, THERE'S ONE AT A TIRE SHOP.

AND THEN THERE'S ONE DOWN A LITTLE FURTHER.

UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THAT ONE'S IN FRONT OF, BUT THEY'RE THERE ALL THE TIME.

NOW.

THEY JUST PULL THEM UP, PARK THEM.

I'VE DRIVEN BY SEEN TABLES AND CHAIRS OUT AND, YOU KNOW, THE BANNER FLAGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT OUT WAS WITH THEM ALSO.

NOW WHAT WE DID, UM, FOR THAT, AND ONCE AGAIN, WE SEE ISSUES WITH THEM TAKING UP REQUIRED, PARKING, POSSIBLY BLOCKING FIRE LANES.

UH, THERE ARE POTENTIALLY ISSUES.

I KNOW IF YOU SAW ONE OUT AT THE, THE, I THINK THE MOTOR SPEEDWAY WHERE A, UH, A PROPANE TANK BLEW UP AND ONE OF THEM WAS THERE THREE WEEKS AGO, WERE YOU SMOKING BY THAT? I WENT TO A CAR SHOW AND THAT SAW I WASN'T GOING TO MY CAR, A TRUCK WHEN THAT EXPLOSION HAPPENED.

YEAH.

AND THAT'S IT.

I CAME BELIEVE.

AND THERE ARE TIMES WHEN.

YEAH.

AND THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE GET COMPLAINTS FROM SURROUNDING BRICK AND MORTAR STORES THAT IN SOMETIMES THEY LIKE THEM BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT DRAWS TRAFFIC, THEY MAY GAIN SOME OTHERS, THINGS THAT IT INFRINGES ON, YOU KNOW, THEIR, WHERE THEY'RE INVESTING IN THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S WHAT AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, HEY, THEY'RE INVESTING IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY'VE GOT A BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANT, AND THIS IS TAKING BUSINESS AWAY FROM, SO WE HEAR A LOT OF COMPLAINTS LIKE THAT.

DID YOU HAVE OTHERS, UH, RICK, THAT YOU'VE HEARD ON THOSE? UH, AS FAR AS THE COMPASS.

YEAH.

UH, WELL REALLY THE ONE VOCAL COMPLAINT WE GET IS THE CARWASH.

UH, AND IT'S, IT'S IT'S SITUATION.

UH, THE TRAFFIC IN THERE PERMANENTLY IN THE TRAFFIC.

YEAH.

SO THERE WERE MULTIPLE, WE DID PULL SOME ORDINANCES AND WE DIDN'T PUT TOGETHER AND WE WERE THINKING ABOUT PUTTING IT, BUT WE WANTED TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAD, UH, WHAT DIFFERENT CITIES ARE DOING AND KIND OF A MATRIX OF HOW THAT FITS TOGETHER.

UH, THE CITY OF MESQUITE, THEY REGULATE ANYTHING FROM PUSHCARTS.

WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF PUSHCARTS IN GARLAND.

UM, UH, BUT THERE PROBABLY ARE SOME, I DON'T SEE A BUNCH, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT THEY REGULATE EVERYTHING FROM PUSH CARDS TO THE COLD FOOD TRUCKS.

UH, AND I GUESS WE DON'T DO THOSE JASON THAT THE COLD FOOD ONES, UH, YOU KNOW, WHICH ARE WHAT WE KIND OF ALWAYS REFERRED TO AS A ROACH COACH THAT WOULD COME UP TO THE CONSTRUCTION SITE AND, YOU KNOW, GIVE YOU PRE-PACKAGED FOODS, TRUCKS.

OH, NO, NOT, NO, NOT THE FROZEN FOOD.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CATERING TRUCKS THAT GO TO THE JOB SITES.

OKAY.

UM, TO THE HOT TRAILERS AND THE, AND THE HOT TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY REGULATE THE PUSHCARTS OR DON'T, WE, WE HAVE TWO PERMITTED.

OKAY.

OKAY.

WHAT ABOUT THE BICYCLE CARDS? THEY, THEY APPEARED PARTICULARLY IN MY DISTRICT FOR A WHILE.

THEY WERE UN I HAVEN'T SEEN IT FOR AWHILE, BUT THEY CAME UP TO MY DISTRICT.

OH, OKAY.

THEY CAME NORTH.

OKAY.

BUT THEY, UH, THERE WAS A PERIOD THERE FOR ABOUT TWO MONTHS.

THEY ARE PIT.

I MEAN, THEY WERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I MEAN, THEY WERE, I THINK THEY'RE WORKING IN FOREST OR SOMETHING.

CAUSE THEY COVERED IT.

AND IT'S A BICYCLE.

THEY GOT THE BASKET ON THE FRONT AND A COUPLE OF GUYS HAD BALES, YOU KNOW, THE ICE CREAM TRUCK IN THE OLD DAYS LOVES THEM TO GET THE KIDS OUT AND IT WAS CREATED, BUT THEN THEY DISAPPEARED.

SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE PUSHCARTS SHE'LL STRICTLY PROHIBITED BY ORDINANCE.

OKAY.

WELL THE BICYCLES.

YEAH.

OKAY.

INCLUDING PUSH CARDS, CARDS, IF THEY'RE PERMITTED.

OKAY.

BUT YOU CAN'T PERMIT THE BICYCLE ONES.

THEY DON'T MEET THE NSF STANDARDS.

OKAY.

WELL THEY ARE, THEY, IF YOU KNOW, THEY WERE PRESENT, MAYBE THEY MOVED NORTH, BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN, IN MATTER OF FACT, THEY WERE BLOCKING THE STREET CORNERS BECAUSE THE KIDS HERE IN THE BALES AND PEOPLE WERE STOPPING AND THEY WERE ALL FOR, FOR GOOD, FOR ABOUT TWO MONTHS STRETCH, I'D SAY PROBABLY BETWEEN MAY AND AUGUST, THEY JUST APPEAR.

AND SOMEBODY WAS COLLECTING THE MONEY.

CAUSE I SPOTTED THE GUY ONE EVENING.

THEY PULL UP IN THE PARKING LOT OF THE SCHOOL NEAR ME AND THEY DID THE FINANCIAL TRANSACTION AND THE GUY UNLOADED THE BACK OF THE TRUCK AND PUT THE STUFF BACK ON THE CART AND HE DROVE OFF.

SO IT'S A DISTRIBUTION DLA BECAUSE HE HAD THE BIG TRUCK.

SO COMMITTEE, LET ME JUST POINT OUT QUICKLY.

AND, AND, AND STAFF, BECAUSE THIS IS MONDAY BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A MEETING STARTING AT SIX, WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM

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TO GO THROUGH.

SO, UM, IF WE CAN JET THROUGH OUR OPTIONS, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO FINALIZE ANYTHING TONIGHT BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DRAFT BROUGHT BACK TO US PERHAPS AT THE NEXT MEETING, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE SEE.

BUT CAN YOU GO OVER THE OPTIONS? LET ME TELL YOU WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE.

AND THEN YOU CAN KIND OF PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH I LIKE AT THAT.

UH, A LOT OF THE CITIES THAT I'VE GOT AND I'VE GOT WILEY, UM, MOSQUITO, ALLAN, UM, RICK HAS PLANO AND RICHARDSON.

UM, MOST OF THE CITIES HAVE DEVELOPED AT LEAST A USE FOR, UH, THE, THE, THE FOOD CODE, THE FOOD TRUCK COURT, SO THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO AND TAKE SUCH AS THE, THE, UM, CARWASH AND MAKE IT A FOOD TRUCK COURT, THAT'S AN ACTUAL ZONING USE.

SO IT'S DEFINED AS A USE.

HEY, WHEN YOU GO MORE THAN TWO TRUCKS, THAT WOULD PROBABLY EVEN BE SAIGON MALL.

MAYBE WHEN YOU GO MORE THAN TWO, THREE TRUCKS OR FOOD VENDORS, THEN YOU NEED TO BE A FOOD COURT USE FOR SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO COME.

MOST OF THE CITIES HAVE GONE TO WHERE, UH, SOMEBODY WANTS TO JUST HAVE A FOOD VENDOR IN THEIR PARKING LOT.

THEY CALL THAT AN ACCESSORY USE, UM, TO THAT MAIN USE.

IF THEY'RE SERVING THE SAME FOOD THAT THEY'RE SERVING THERE NOW, THEN THERE IS A TEMPORARY USE, WHICH IS SOMEBODY JUST COMING IN, HEY, I'M GOING TO PULL UP IN THIS PARKING LOT.

I'M GOING TO GET PERMISSION FROM THE OWNER.

AND I'M GOING TO BEND OUT OF HERE ALMOST ALL OF THEM THAT DO ANY OF THOSE HAVE CERTAIN DISTANCES.

THERE ARE ANYWHERE FROM, I THINK RICK HAD ONE, IT WAS 200 FEET TO 500 FEET FROM AN EXISTING BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANT, UNLESS IT'S A STRESSOR USED TO THAT RESTAURANT.

SO IF THAT RESTAURANT WANTS TO PUT ONE RIGHT OUT IN FRONT THERE, OKAY.

BUT IF IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S VENDING SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THEY HAD TO BE AT LEAST 500 FEET.

UH, SOME HAD A THOUSAND FEET, YOU KNOW, FROM A RESIDENTIAL AREA OR 500 FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL AREA.

SO THEY WEREN'T CREATING THAT.

UH, MOST OF THEM DON'T ALLOW THEM TO TAKE UP, UM, UH, FIRE LANES NOT BE PARKED IN A FIRE LANE, TAKE UP REQUIRED PARKING, UH, WILDLY.

THEY EVEN CALCULATE THE PARKING.

IF THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A FOOD TRUCK OUT THERE AND TABLES AND CHAIRS, THEY'LL SAY, OKAY, THIS IS YOUR RECTANGLE.

AND YOU'RE PUTTING IN THIS MUCH EXTRA DEMAND ON THE PARKING OUT THERE AND CALCULATE IT WITH THE REST OF THE MAN FOR THE, EITHER THAT STORE OR FOR THE, UM, SHOPPING CENTER AS A WHOLE.

SO THOSE ARE KIND OF SOME OF THE OPTIONS.

WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT Y'ALL WERE LOOKING FOR.

DIDN'T KNOW WHICH WAY YOU WANTED US TO LOOK.

UH, WAS THERE ANY OTHERS THAT I MISSED RICK THAT WAS SEEMED IMPORTANT? YOU KNOW, ONE OF THEM, YOU KNOW, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, THE PERMISSION FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT OUR CITY OF RICHARDSON REQUIRES THAT THEY OBTAIN AND MAINTAIN A WRITTEN CONSENT FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER OR PROPERTY MANAGER, UH, THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO BE ON THE PROPERTY.

SO I LIKE THAT, UM, SOME OF THEM, UH, LIKE RICHARDSON ALSO, UH, SAID THAT THE, UH, THAT THEY WOULD CLEARLY SERVE THE EMPLOYEES OR, OR PATRONS OF THE PRIMARY USE OF THE PROPERTY AND NOT TO ATTRACT OR SOLICIT BUSINESSES BUSINESS FROM NEIGHBORING STREETS OR PUBLIC IN GENERAL.

UH, THE EXAMPLE THEY USED ON THAT WAS TO NOT PENALIZE THE, THE HOT DOG VENDOR THAT WAS AT A LOWE'S, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU SEE ON THE WEEKENDS, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAD SOMEONE SHOW UP AT A LOWE'S AND WAS SERVING HOT DOGS TO THE CUSTOMERS AS THEY CAME IN AND TO BASICALLY PUT THEM IN A LOCATION TO WHERE THEY'RE NOT OUT AT THE CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION WHERE THEY'RE JUST VISIBLY SEEN AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT PUTTING THEIR SIGNS OUT AT THE FRONT, ACTUALLY, THEY'RE THERE MORE IN A, IN A, UH, UM, IT'S AN ACCESSORY OR AN INCIDENTAL TO THAT MAIN NEWS WHERE THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO SERVE JUST THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TO THAT USE RATHER THAN TRYING TO DRAW KNOW PUBLIC IN.

ALTHOUGH I WILL TELL YOU THE WAY THAT, THAT FOOD TRUCKS AND THE CONCEPT OF FOOD TRUCKS HAVE EXPLODED IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, UM, THAT WOULD NOT PLEASE OUR CITIZENS AT ALL, BECAUSE THEY, THEY DRIVE AROUND THE WORD, GOES OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT WEALTH, YOU KNOW, FIRE FOR THE LORD.

BBQ IS AT THIS CORNER AND THIS ONE'S AT THIS CORNER AND THE TACOS ARE, AND THEY, THEY GO THERE THEY'RE THE PUBLIC AND THEY GO THERE TO GET THAT.

AND THAT MAKES THE PROPERTY OWNERS, THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE LIKING THESE THINGS, DRAWING PEOPLE.

SO, UM, I, I LIKE, I LIKE THE DISTANCES AND THE DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN AN ACCESSORY USE AND TEMPORARY COURT.

YEAH.

AND, AND THE FOOD YEAH.

FOOD COURTS NEED TO BE ZONED.

UM, I, I