[Tax Increment Finance #3 Meeting on November 2, 2021]
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WALKING UP TO THE NOVEMBER, REGULAR EVENING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD NODDING UP HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE.
THE SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF MEETING 2021.
HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? ARE THERE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU WOULD MAKE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN? WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN SECOND.
THE THIRD ITEM IS THE STARS AND STRIPES LLC REPRESENTED BY DOWNTOWN FOR CENTENARY IS REQUESTING THE FINAL SITE APPROVAL.
TYLER TYLER HOMES ON THE LAKE, UH, LIKE A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, UH, LOCATED ON 54, U HAS RESIDENTIAL PLAN.
BOUQUETS ARE A, THE LAND IS APPROXIMATELY 11,409 ACRES AND IS
AND IT'S LOCATED TO THE SOUTH OF GRACIE FARMS ROAD AND TO THE EAST OF WASHINGTON POST ROAD LOCATED IN WARD FIVE.
DO WE HAVE A STAFF WOULD VIEW THAT AS WELL? JERRY WENT OVER ALL THE TYPICAL STATS FROM THE
EVERY CLOUD SIDE IS NOT A NURSING SEVEN SQUARE FEET, BUT DESIGNATION, A STREETS STREETS THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED IN THE SOUTHERN REGION FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW.
THERE'S YOUR SITE, LAKEWOOD, THE VERY GREEN, A COPY OF THE FINAL PLANS TO PUT IN YOUR PACKET.
IT HAS MET ALL THE RULES, REGULATIONS OF A SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, AND IT SATISFIED THE CRITERIA WE GOT RECOMMENDING THAT WE APPROVE THE FINAL SUBMISSION FLAT FOR TYLER ON THE LATE PHASE FIVE, WE DID RECEIVE A BOND.
UM, AND IT'S BEEN, UH, APPROVED BY PUBLIC WORKS AND DELI DEPARTMENT.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
I DON'T KNOW WHY NOTHING IS WORKING.
UH, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AFRICAN TO SEE YOUR ALSO THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, DO ANY MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD HAVE THE QUESTION? THAT'S VERY DEVELOPMENT AT THIS POINT.
IF THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS GOOD ADDRESS THE BOARD, HE MAY DO.
I SEE WE HAVE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT'S MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS DEVELOPMENT.
EITHER FOR GUESTS AT THIS POINT, THE EMOTION TO ACCEPT THE DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE A MOTION HAS BEEN SECONDED.
NADIA WOULD LEAVE NO RESOLVABLE.
REMEMBER THIS IS A FINAL APPROVAL.
UH, AND, UH, THIS DOES NOT GO BEFORE THE, YEAH, YOU GET LOCKED UP ON THE PAGE,
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WHICH, AND NOTE THAT THIS PAST DEMAND NOW, UM, TO A SITE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT AND THE, UM, THE BLUE WATER RISE AREA, AND THIS PART OF THE VINYL IS THE APPLICANT IS ASKING, UH, CORE.AND IT'S A PART OF A MULTI PHASE.
THIS PHASE IS OCCUPIED BY APPROXIMATELY 17 DOT FIVE, FIVE ACRES.
AND THE R EIGHT, UH, IS LOCATED TO NORTH OF OUT THE LONG ROAD AND TO THE WEST OF ALL THE AIRPORT.
UM, THE IMPROVABLE BACKWARDS IS, UH, WAS DONE IN 2022 OR 2022, A PLAN AND THE ZONING BOARD MEETINGS.
UM, NOW THIS BOOK PROPOSALS, WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A WATER FLOW PROBLEM FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND WE ALSO KNOW THAT, UM, YOU ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING AN EASEMENT FROM SOMETHING CALLED I BELIEVE THE FORESTRY TRUST, UH, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THAT EASEMENT? WE EXPECT THE LOOP TO BE COMPLETED SO THAT HIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN HAS ADEQUATE, UH, WATER RAMP FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT STANDARDS RIGHT NOW IS 30% BELOW.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW BEFORE THIS PHASE, BUT WE UNDERSTAND FROM THE CHIEF FIRE BOARD THEMSELVES AND SHOUT SONY, LOSE IT ON MYSELF, MET WITH THEM.
AND WE WERE TOLD THAT THE WORK FLOW RATE IS NOT ADEQUATE FOR ACCEPTED NORMS. HOW HAS THAT EASEMENT GOING? MR. DIRECTOR SAID, OH, WE'RE GOING TO DO A STAFF REVIEW AND THEN HAVE THIS AS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION IS I BELIEVE IT'S APPROPRIATE BECAUSE IT'S A BIG ISSUE STATE.
THE, I TAKE THIS PART OUT, OUT OF, OUT OF WATER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE MANY MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD CURRENTLY ARE NOT COMFORTABLE PROCEEDING APPROVING THAT IF A DEVELOPMENT THAT DOESN'T HAVE ADEQUATE WATER, ADEQUATE VIRUS.
I THINK I'D LIKE TO GO ON RECORD, AT LEAST SAYING WE SHOULD HAVE OUR STAFF REVIEW, FOLLOW NORMAL PROTOCOLS, HAVE OUR STAFF REVIEW.
AND THEN WHEN IT COMES BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION, THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME.
I FEEL TO HAVE THIS SORT OF DISCUSSION.
WELL, I CAN UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR POINT IS STICKING TO YOUR REGULAR ORDER.
HOWEVER, THAT MIGHT NOT BE NECESSARY IF I WILL ACHIEVE YOUR WISHES, IF YOU WANT THAT DONE WELL.
SO FROM A PROCEDURAL POINT OF VIEW, I THINK WE'RE OBLIGATED TO DO THAT.
OKAY, WELL, WE'LL DO THAT THEN.
AND THEN, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE BOARD DISCUSSION AND HAVE THIS SORT OF, THAT THAT'D BE MY PREFERENCE.
WELL, I CAN SEE THE PROBLEM WITH THAT.
THE QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UM, SO AS THE CHAIR SAID, UM, LOCATED SITE MONITOR K PHASE ONE AND WHO I RISE 17 AND A HALF ACRES, 93, 54 IS THE ADDRESS WHERE FOR THE, A LOT, WE HAVE SOME NEW STREETS BEING PROPOSED IN THIS ONE, AGAIN, ALL CERTIFIED CITY UTILITIES.
SO THE VISION WAS PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET DID REVIEW.
THE ORIGINAL GENERAL PLAN WAS APPROVED IN 2018, RECEIVED SOME EXTENSIONS, UH, THAT WE GOT PASSED DOWN TO US FROM THE STATE.
SO IT DOESN'T EAT THE TWO YEAR REQUIREMENT FOR, UM, UH, GENERAL PLAN APPROVAL TO FINAL APPROVAL.
WE HAVE REVIEWED IT FOR CONSISTENCY WITH OUR CODES AND MEETS ALL THE RULES AND REGULATIONS.
UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
UM, AND WE A BOND IN HAND AND EVERYTHING HAS BEEN APPROVED BY PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
EVERYTHING MEETS THE RULES AND REGS OF OUR ORDINANCE AND REQUIREMENTS FOR FINAL APPROVAL OF A PLAN HUMAN DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE VISION, UM, AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I SPOKE WITH JORDAN HUGHES, THE CITY ENGINEER, UM, COUPLE OF RUNNING IN THE LAST WEEK.
AND, UH, HE HE'S MEANT TO BE FINALIZED.
HE EXPECTS TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
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THE END OF THE YEAR, BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR, UH, FOR THE NEW WIRELINE WENT OUT TO BE COMPLETED.I WOULD LIKE THE DIRECTOR MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS TOWARDS THAT EASEMENT.
UH, NORMALLY EASEMENTS ARE GRANTED RELATIVELY QUICKLY.
YOU'RE GOING TO GET AN EASEMENT FROM THE FOREST.
IS IT THE FOREST PRETRIAL, UM, COASTAL LAND TRUST, I THINK.
AND WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT A SPECIAL ENVIRONMENT PROTECTED TRUST THAT, UH, REQUIRES MORE WORK PERHAPS, UH, UM, MS. MOSLEY SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS, UNFORTUNATELY I'M NOT VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THE STATUS OF THIS EASEMENT, OR TYPICALLY EASTMAN'S ARE GRANTED EITHER FROM THE DOD OR MAYBE THE COUNTY OR MAYBE THE CITY.
THIS IS A PRIVATE TRUST, APPARENTLY THAT WHOSE PURPOSE IS PROBABLY A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION WITH THEIR PURPOSE BEING TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT.
HOW, WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THIS EASEMENT? I DON'T KNOW THE TERMS OF THE CONSTRUCTION, WHAT YOU SEE, UH, WHERE THE WATER LINE IS ABOUT HOW MANY FEET IN THE WATERLINES ARE PUT IN SEVERAL FEET DEEP, I GUESS.
SO IT'S MATTERED OF DIGGING A TRENCH AND TO CONNECT THE LOOP, TO EXPECT THE, UH, THE WATER SYSTEMS DOES MORE FLOW RATE, MORE PRESSURE AS ESSENTIALLY THE DESIGN.
IS IT NOT AGAIN, I'M NOT HERE TO APPROVE WATER LINES, EVENTS, UM, OR ANY KIND OF WATER DISTRIBUTION IN SOME VISUAL CLASS, WE'D MEET THE RULES OF THE SUB ORDINANCE.
DOES YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON WHAT CHAPTER 15 SAYS ORDINANCE? I CAN ANSWER THOSE ALL THAT IS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH.
SO CAN YOU STIPULATE FOR THE RECORD THAT WE DO APPROVE OF TODAY? BY THE TIME THEY DO SOMETHING BY THE TIME THEY START LAYING FOUNDATIONS AND WHATNOT, A WATER EASEMENT AND THE WATER CORRECTION WOULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETED OR NEARLY SILK COMPLETED, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE STARTED AT, IN THIS SOUND OR WORKING THEIR WAY THROUGH EARLY JANUARY.
I CAN STIPULATE THAT IT MEETS THE RULES OF THE SUDDEN THERE'S NO ORDINANCE, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, WHICH IS WHAT THIS BOARD HAS PRIVY OVER.
AND THE OLDER WATER DISTRIBUTION FLOW RATES, ALL THAT IS HANDLED BY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY.
ALL OF IT'S BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED.
AND, UM, THAT'S WHAT I CAN CONTROL.
IF YOU WANT TO STAND FROM THE FIRE MARKET DIRECTLY, WE'VE GOT THE FLOW RATE IS INADEQUATE.
SO PRESENTLY, DO WE HAVE, UH, I MEAN, YOU'VE BEEN PRESENTED WITH FLOW TESTS TOO.
YEAH, I GUESS I'M, I GUESS I'M, I'M, I'M CONFUSED.
SUNNY ELIZABETH AROUND MYSELF OR, UM, THAT WE WOULD CALL IT THE 30% UNDER THE, UH, ACCEPTED CAPACITY.
SO I GUESS MAYBE WHAT I WILL SAY.
I, I, I HEAR THE CONCERN FROM A PLANNING AND ZONING POINT OF VIEW, JUST NOT UNLIKE WE TELL APPLICANTS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ALL THE TIME.
WE HAVE TO STAY WITHIN OUR PURVIEW.
UM, NOW, UM, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE OF SAFETY AND WE ARE CONVINCED OF THAT, AND WE DO NOT HAVE A STAND AND THAT WE HAVE WHAT I CONSIDER A FLOOR SIGN OFF ON THE APPLICATION, IF A CRITICAL MEASURE SUCH AS THE FLOW RATE OF WATER IS INADEQUATE, THAT WOULD TRUMP HAVE TO FOLLOW.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT YOU MIGHT GO INTO A NUREMBERG.
WELL, LET ME CLARIFY INADEQUATE.
UM, THAT'S WHEN I SPOKE TO THE FIRE CHIEF A FEW DAYS AGO, FIRE FLOW IS ADEQUATE.
UM, I'M SURE YOU CLARIFY THAT.
UM, WHICH IS WHAT I WAS TOLD IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
AND, UM, SO INADEQUATE IS NOT THE CORRECT TERM TO USE.
UM, SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT ON A RECORD SINCE WE'RE PUTTING THINGS ON THE RECORD THAT ARE INCONSISTENT WITH CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THE FIRE CHIEF AND THE FIRE MARSHALL.
SO JUST SO YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY, AND THEN MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO ELIMINATE THIS POINT.
THE, WHAT IS BEFORE THE BOARD TONIGHT IS A FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAN AND THEIR BYLAW, WHICH WE ARE BOUND TO UPHOLD.
UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN CONSIDERATIONS FOR THIS BOARD AT THIS MOMENT, CONSIDERING THE STAGE IN THE PROCESS AND, AND THESE AREN'T SUGGESTIONS, THIS IS THE LAW.
AND TO DO ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT, THIS CONDITION IS WHAT WOULD BE BREAKING THE LAW.
SO I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THE MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD TO FOCUS THEIR ATTENTION ON
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WHETHER THE PLAN, THE PLAN AS IT BEFORE IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT MEETS THE RULES THAT ARE OUTLINED.AND THEN IF THERE'S SOME PART OF THAT SUBSECTION THAT THIS PLAN CAN FAIL TO SATISFY, THEN SUDDENLY DISCUSSION IS APPROPRIATE.
HOWEVER, IF YOU, IF YOU ANALYZE THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IN THIS PLAN AND FIND IT TO BE SUFFICIENT, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONSCIENCE, AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR RATION NOW, BUT I THINK THIS BOARD IS TASKED WITH APPLYING THE LAW, AS IT RELATES TO THIS PARTICULAR SET OF FACTS.
I SPOKE TO JEFFERY, I WANTED PERHAPS TO HAVE THE APPLICANT REMOVE HIS APPLICATION AT THIS TIME.
AND THEN WE DO WANT TO APPROVE THIS PLAN, BUT WE WANT TO APPROVE THIS PLAN IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT IS A SAFE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE LIVING IN THOSE HOMES.
WHEN I WAS AT DESKS THAT WE DO TODAY IS TABLE IT.
AND AT THE NEXT MEETING, I THINK, UM, OUR DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WOULD HAVE MORE TIME TO FINALIZE THIS EASEMENT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR MONTHS NOW.
AND, UH, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE, THE PROBLEMS WITH THIS.
AND, UM, RIGHT NOW YOU TELL US THAT YOU'RE NOT PREPARED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE STATUS OF HIS EASEMENT, BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO APPROVE THE PLAN, BUT WE WANT TO,
UM, MY, MY ASSOCIATES, SONIA LOSER WORKED ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ASHEVILLE NEAR WASHINGTON SQUARE, WHERE THE INFAMOUS TRIANGLE SHIRTWAIST FACTORY FIRE HAPPENED, WHERE YOU DON'T EVEN TELL YOU AND THEN DO A FINGERPRINTS WITH DROPPING OUT NINE STORY WINDOWS.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE PARTY TO ANOTHER KIND OF DISASTER LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S WHY THIS, UH, WHY I AM ASKING, UH, FOR SOME TIME TO GET THIS THING, IT'S A MATTER OF SAFETY AND A MATTER OF CONSCIENCE.
AND I DO NOT THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE TO TABLE THIS RESOLUTION FOR A MONTH.
SO WE GET SURE THAT THIS EASEMENT WILL BE PROCESSED BEFORE I'LL BE RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE NO GUARANTEE OR INSURANCES THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS EASEMENT.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY AMUSEMENT SUCH AS THIS IS A PINKY SO MUCH TIME TO GET, IF I I'D LOVE TO ASK THE QUESTION.
SO WHAT IS, WHAT IS OUR OBLIGATION NOW THAT THIS HAS THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED RECEIVED BY THE BOARD IT'S ON THE AGENDA? WHAT IS OUR OBLIGATION TIME-WISE BEFORE WE HAVE TO ACT, IS IT 60 DAYS? I DON'T HAVE ANY ANSWERS IN 30 DAYS.
SO IT KIND OF BE THE SAME ANSWER.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SAY.
SO, SO I JUST HAVE AN EASEMENT IN PLACE, BUT I WILL KNOW CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULES.
SO ALL THAT NOISE KIND OF ASIDE WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY FROM A PROCEDURAL POINT OF VIEW, WE KIND OF HAVE TWO OPTIONS.
WE EITHER HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, DENY THIS APPLICATION.
WE VOTE ON THAT AND IF IT'S SUCCESSFUL, WE DID NOT WIN, WHICH I THINK IS UNFAIR TO THE OUTFIT.
GIVEN THAT THEY'VE MET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE, OR WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, WE VOTE ON IT.
AND IF IT FAILS, THEN AT SOME SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, WE'VE GOT ACT ON THIS TONIGHT.
I THINK TABLING DOESN'T DO ANYTHING BECAUSE IF IN 60 DAYS WE HAVEN'T ACTED ON IT, THEN IT'S DEEMED APPROVED.
WELL, I DISAGREE WITH YOU ON TABLE.
AND WE DID A, UH, TABLING ATTENDED THE RACE ROLE DEVELOPMENT AND THE PARTIES INVOLVED, THE DEVELOPER AND ONE THAT
AND THEN THE NEXT MEETING WE APPROVED IT.
EVERYBODY WAS VERY HAPPY BECAUSE THEY INCREASE THE DEGREE, GREEN, GREEN SPACE.
THERE ARE TIMES THAT, UH, TABLING THINGS DOES WORK.
IT DOES GIVE BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT, TIME TO WORK AT DIFFERENCES.
AND PART OF OUR, UH, PURVIEW IS WE ALL HAVE THE PLANNING ZONING BOARD, AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO DEVELOPMENT IN SUCH A WAY THAT PROMOTES HARMONY IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO THE DIFFERENCE WITH THAT IN PREVIOUS APPLICATION, IN MY OPINION, AND I WASN'T IN FAVOR OF TABLE IN THAT.
BUT THE DIFFERENCE WITH THAT APPLICATION WAS THAT THE AFRICANS HAD THE ABILITY TO AFFECT THAT CHANGE FOR THAT APPLICATION THAT SOLVE THE PERCEIVED PROBLEM.
AND THE APP DOES NOT HAVE THAT ABILITY IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS NOT AN ISSUE OF APPEARANCES.
IT'S AN ISSUE OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
I THINK PUBLIC SAFETY TRUMPS UP HERE.
AND PUBLIC SAFETY IS IN THE REALM OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY FOLK, RIGHT.
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FIRE POLICE.SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT I DISAGREE WITH YOU ON, ON, ON WHAT THE CHIEF SAID, AND I'VE SPOKEN WITH HIM MANY TIMES IN, UH, IN HIS OTHERS WATER PRESSURE IS NOT A PUBLIC SCENE.
SO, SO WHAT IF I, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR HERE, HERE'S MY OPINION ON WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
I DON'T NECESSARILY DISAGREE WITH YOU IF WE'VE GOT A TRUE WATER PRESSURE PROBLEM.
AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THE FLOAT DATA, IT DOESN'T MATTER, BUT CERTAINLY HE CAN GIVE ME THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MEANS ANYTHING ME WITHOUT RUNNING THE HYDRAULIC CALCULATIONS.
I MEAN, IT GOES, IT DEPENDS ON DIAMOND OR PIPE LENGTH, THE LINE AND ALL THAT.
SO ALL THAT SIDE, I GUESS MY POINT IS PROCEDURALLY, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS APPLICATION TONIGHT, 60 DAYS WITHIN, WITHIN 60 DAYS.
SO IF WE DON'T ACT ON IT TONIGHT AND WE TABLE IT AND IT COMES TO FOREST NEXT MONTH, I FEEL LIKE, FEEL CERTAIN WE'LL BE HAVING THIS SAME DISCUSSION AGAIN, BECAUSE I'M CERTAIN THAT WE WON'T KNOW THE STATUS OF THIS EASEMENT.
AND ALSO, YEAH, BUT ALSO ABSOLUTELY NONE NEW THE APPLICATION, UH, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICATION I DISAGREE WITH THAT, IT'S CORRECT TO THE APPLICATION.
SO IF WE HAVE A MOTION TO DISAPPROVE THIS APPLICATION, WE WOULD HAVE TO GIVE SOME GRANTS BASED ON LINDY'S ORDINANCE.
I THINK WE CAN TABLE IT TO GIVE TO THE CITY AND THE STAFF MORE TIME TO GET THAT DATA TO US.
SO WE'RE MORE COMFORTABLE OUT OF, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE GAIN ANYTHING BY THAT, BUT IF THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD, BUT IF THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD CHOOSES TO VOTE ON AND APPROVE, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT, BUT, UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY IF THAT'S THE DECISION OF THE BOARD APPRECIATES, WHEN IT COMES TO SAFETY AND PEOPLE'S LIVES, YOU'VE GOT DEVELOPMENT GOING ON THE EDITOR BEFORE WHERE I COME FROM WESTCHESTER COUNTY, THE FORCES WERE PRIMARILY PAMELA AND THE 1980S, THERE WAS AN INSECT FLIGHT FOR THE DAY.
THERE, IT'S A SOURCE OF CONCERN FOR THE MOVE FROM THE FOREST FIRES.
AND THIS WAS JUST NORTH OF NEW YORK CITY.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF POOL FORESTRY AROUND THAT PROPERTY.
WE'VE HAD FOREST FIRES IN EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA.
ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE BLOWERS BELOW ADEQUATE? AND YOU HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT OF SEVERAL HUNDRED PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING ACROSS COUNTY LINE GROW.
IT'D BE HARD TO MAKE A FIRE BREAK.
WELL, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS PROCEDURALLY, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND I WORKED ON DESIGN PROJECTS EVERY DAY.
I THINK GIVEN LOT OF THEM ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN PROCEDURE.
SO I THINK WHAT I WOULD, UM, LIKE FOR US TO DO IS, I MEAN, WE CAN TALK UNTIL WE'RE BLUE IN THE FACE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA KNOW THE ANSWER TO ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS TONIGHT.
I THINK WE EITHER TABLE IT OR WE DON'T, OR WE APPROVE IT OR WE DON'T, OR YOU'RE NOT, OR WE DON'T
MR. THOMAS, WILL YOU AWARE OF THIS PROBLEM? UM, WITH THIS BACK TO THE WATER FLOW RATE, WE HAVE ADVISORS AT ALL.
I HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU MIND, IF I STRAIGHT TO THE MOUNTAINS, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN THROUGH EVERY PERMITTING PROCESS YOU CAN THINK OF WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS DESIGNED, WHICH PROVIDED A MODEL OF THE FLOWS TO THE CITY FOR THEIR REVIEW.
THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF ANY ISSUES OUT THERE, AND I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY ISSUES OUT THERE.
WE JUST SAW INTUBATION ALSO THE PLANTS IN ORDER THE PROJECT PAVED, THEY WON'T START POOLING BUILDING PERMITS IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS OUT THERE.
THE PEOPLE WITH HOUSES, UM, THE PUBLIC UTILITIES IS FINE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN PUT OUT THERE.
I AM SIMPLY NOT AWARE OF THE FLOW PROBLEMS OUT THERE WHEN THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, THE OTHER THING TOO, THAT EASEMENT I'M UP FOR ANOTHER WATER WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT IT IS OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDS OF THE SUBDIVISION.
AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBDIVISION.
I DO KNOW THAT THERE IS SOME LONG RANGE PLANS TO DELIVER MORE WAR AND THAT SECTOR OF THE COUNTY OUT THERE, INCLUDING COLORS AND, AND WE WOULD ARISE AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS.
BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT A LOT.
NOW WITH DOING SOME MONTHS AGO, MR. TOM IS, WE HAD DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF PUBLIC WORKS, GAVE US, UM, REVIEWS.
WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PACE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN NEW BRITAIN.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE DIFFERENT
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CAPACITIES TO WORRY ABOUT.I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT DON'T MEET, MEET THAT.
AND THEY'RE SOME PRETTY MUCH BE AMAZED BY THE PUBLIC WORKS FOR YOU TO CLOSE DOWN THE ROAD TIMES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THEN IMPROVE THAT AS TIME GOES ALONG.
UM, W WHAT WOULD, OH, THIS IS THE CASE THAT THE MORTAR RAPED THAT
I KNEW ALL THOSE GUYS PERSONALLY.
AND, AND USUALLY I'M THE FIRST ONE THAT GETS THE PHONE CALLS.
AND I HAVE HEARD NOTHING ABOUT ANYTHING LIKE THAT OUT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN EXACTLY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WE'VE BEEN WITH THE WATERFALL.
BUT THAT WAS, UH, SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT IN OUR MEETING, UH, SPECIFICALLY ON MONARCH POINT.
IT WAS A GENERIC KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA AS IT PROCEEDS.
UM, IT'S VERY DOUBTFUL THAT IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, WHICH I DON'T THINK THERE IS IN THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO GET SOLVED BY THE NEXT COMMITTEE, THE THREE OF US ATTENDED THE BEADING.
AND HE SAID TO OURSELF THAT THE WATER CAPACITY IS 30% BELOW ACCEPTED, UH, RATES.
UH, I, I'M SORRY, YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
AND WE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THE PAST COUPLE MONTHS AND, UH, I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY INVESTMENT OUT HERE.
I MEAN, RELATED TO PAY THE UTILITIES ARE IN THE PILE, HAVE ENOUGH THERE.
AND ANOTHER 30 DAYS WOULD BE AN UNNECESSARILY LATE IN MY MR. CHAIR.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IN THIS CONVERSATION.
IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING TABLING, THAT'S FINE, BUT IT MAY BE IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO CONNECT THE INFORMATION THAT YOU THINK YOU WANT TO OBTAIN TO ONE OF THE RELEVANT CONSIDERATIONS IN WHETHER YOU APPROVE THE FINAL PLAN.
AND IF THE INFORMATION YOU'RE TRYING TO ATTAIN, ISN'T RELEVANT TO ONE OF THOSE CONSIDERATIONS, THEN MAYBE YOU'RE IN A POSITION TO MAKE A DECISION TO THEM.
SO W WHAT YEAR IS IT GRANTED THAT THE BOAT PAY FOR FOOD WAIT, UH, FOR NEXT MONTH IS WHEN REQUESTING THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
AND YOU'RE GOING TO JUMP IN WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CONCERNING THE, UH, PLAN TO INCREASE THE FURNITURE ONCE THE LAND IS GOING TO BE NO, SIR, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS IN THIS CONVERSATION, OKAY, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT, LET US LOOK AT WHAT THE RELEVANT CONSIDERATIONS ARE OR FINAL PLAT APPROVAL, FOR INSTANCE, OR THE LINES OF ALL STREETS AND ROADS ON THE PLAQUE.
WATER RATES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT SUBSECTION LOT LINES, A LOT NUMBERS, WATER RATES, AND WATER CONSUMPTIONS PEN, NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT CONSIDERATION, BUILDING THEM WITH RESERVATIONS.
ALL THE DIMENSIONS SHOULD BE TO THE NEAREST ONE 10TH OF A FOOT AND ANGLES TO THE NEAREST MINUTE ACCURATE LOCATION AND DESCRIPTION OF ALL MONUMENTS AND MARKERS.
IF YOUR REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS RELEVANT TO ANY OF THOSE ITEMS, THEN YOU SHOULD PROBABLY CONSIDER TABLING THIS CONSIDERATION UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING IS YOU CAN OBTAIN THAT INFORMATION.
BUT AT THE INFORMATION YOU'RE TRYING TO OBTAIN IS NOT RELEVANT TO THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER IN MAKING THE APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAY.
THEN I THINK THIS CONVERSATION, WELL, PART OF THE CONSIDERATION IS WHERE THE COMMUNITY CAN YOU, CAN YOU POINT TO WHERE THAT IS IN THE CODE, AS IT RELATES TO THE FINAL PLAN, THEN THAT MAY BE AN ISSUE FOR LAWMAKERS AND LEGISLATORS DOWN THE ROAD.
BUT THE JOB OF THIS BOARD IS TO APPLY THE LAW AS IT'S WRITTEN TONIGHT, NOT AS WE HOPE OR WE SHOULD, WOULD BE JEFF.
AND ON THE SEVENTH OF 10, SO, SO BEAR WITH ME HERE.
WE KNOW THAT IN YOUR OPINION, BASED ON YOUR CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY ENGINEER AND THE FIRE CHIEF, I KNOW THIS, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A FINAL ANSWER ON THIS ISSUE IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, BASED ON THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU'VE HAD AS THIS DEVELOPMENT MOVES ALONG, DO YOU SEE THIS BEING AN ISSUE? THIS I'M NOT GOING TO ASK A FLAT UP QUESTION, IS THIS GOING TO BE A SAFETY ISSUE DOWN THE ROAD, UH, WITHOUT THE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS AT SOME POINT, OBVIOUSLY, UM, IT WILL BE A SAFETY ISSUE, BUT THE WAY THIS BOARD SEES AND JOHN WAS ALLUDING TO THIS BOY SEES THE VERY PRODUCT.
THIS PROJECT STARTED SEVEN YEARS AGO.
AND, UM, ALL OF THAT WAS ALL OF THEM.
IT STARTS WITH CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY ENGINEER.
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CAN WE PROVIDE WATER? CAN WE PROVIDE SEWAGE TO THE AREA FROM THERE BUILDS UPON ITSELF? UM, SO WHERE HERE, ALL THAT ALL THOSE ANSWERS HAVE HAVE BEEN GIVEN RIGHT AT THIS SUBDIVISION WILL NOT CREATE ANY UNSAFE CONDITIONS IN ANY OF OUR UTILITIES OR ANY OF OUR FIRE AND POLICE COVERAGE.OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE LOOKING AT THAT CONSTANTLY.
THEY LOOK AT GROWTH PATTERNS, WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT FIRE STATIONS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY.
SO THAT ALL THAT HAPPENS YEARS IN ADVANCE BEFORE WE GET HERE, AS JOHN WAS SAYING, THE STREETS ARE IN, THE UTILITIES ARE IN THE LOT LINES, ARE THERE, UM, THIS FINAL APPROVAL, UH, IT GIVES THEM A 40 TO SELL A LOT TO, UH, TO A PERSON SO THEY CAN LIVE IN A HOME.
UM, IT WILL NOT DO ANYTHING TO, UM, REDUCE ANY KIND OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
NO ONE IS GOING TO BE JUMPING OUT OF BUILDINGS ON FIRE.
UM, AND, UH, AS, UH, BECAUSE OF THIS PLAN, NOW SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, THEY USE THEIR PRIOR ON.
I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
BUT FROM THIS POINT WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT REALLY TALKING ABOUT IT AS THE ATTORNEY SAID CONVERSATION, RIGHT? THERE'S NO AMOUNT OF INFORMATION THAT I CAN GIVE YOU THAT HAS ANY BEARING ON WHERE WE ARE HERE TODAY.
JEFF, AND THOSE CONVERSATIONS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS PART OF THAT, UH, THE ESTIMATE OF HOW FAST IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.
YES, IT GETS DEVELOPED FASTER.
WHAT HAPPENS, UM, WHILE WE'RE ALREADY AHEAD OF THAT, RIGHT? SO THE LOOPS, I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE CONCERN WE UNDERSTAND.
AND AGAIN, WE'LL ASSUME THAT EVERYTHING WAS, UH, WAS ALL CALCULATED FOR X AMOUNT OF YEARS.
AND PART OF THE X AMOUNT OF YEARS WAS THAT, AND IT'S GONE.
IT WILL BE ON THE CONSTRUCTION BY THE GANG OF THE YEAR.
BUT THE POINT ABOUT MAKING IS IT'S REALLY NOT THE SAME AS WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY AGREED ON.
WE SAID, IT'S GOING TO TAKE 10 MONTHS TO ORIGINALLY AGAIN, I GUESS TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION ORIGINALLY, THAT BORDERLINE WAS 10 YEARS OUT AND NOW IT'S TWO MONTHS OUT.
RIGHT? SO AGAIN, HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR A LONG TIME BEFORE THAT.
AND WHEN IT CAME UP, HE'S LIKE, YEAH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT.
AND I'M WORKING ON ONE FINAL EASEMENT WITH THE COASTAL CONSERVANCY TO GET THROUGH THE PARCEL.
SO IT WAS IN, OR IT WAS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS FOR A YEAR.
I ENDED UP, I WISH YOU JUST HEAR WHAT I'M SAYING, I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS, BUT YOU KIND OF, YOU GOTTA KEEP ASKING ME THE SAME WAY.
I JUST HAVE ONE OF THE FOLLOWING.
I'M TAKING EVERYTHING IN THAT.
YOU'RE SAYING MY, MY LAST QUESTION, THAT'S KIND OF A CAVEAT TO THE FIRST THING I HAVE.
SO I KNOW, I KNOW JORDAN'S CLOSING THE FINAL LOOP.
UM, I THINK THE BIGGEST CONCERN, HONESTLY, WITH US IS WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE LOOP IS CLOSED IN AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF TIME, IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, DO YOU THINK THE LOOP IS GOING TO BE CLOSED? AND I HAVE TO TRUST THAT, RIGHT? AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S HARD TO DO THIS IS WHAT
I THINK WE ARE ALL SAYING THE SAME THING.
AND THAT BASICALLY IS, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG, MR. THOMAS, WITH WHAT YOU'VE DONE, I'M SURE IT'S GOING TO BE A FABULOUS DEVELOPMENT.
THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS WITH THE CITY, WHEN WE TALKED WITH THE FIRE CHIEF, HE SAID, WE WANT 1000 CFM RIGHT NOW IN THIS AREA, WE HAVE ABOUT 725 TO 750 CFM.
IT IS NOT CRITICAL YET, BUT IT WILL BECOME THAT WAY.
AND I THINK IF YOU HEARD THAT YOU WOULD THINK TO, AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR SUBDIVISION.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE REALLY AFTER IS A REASSURANCE FROM THE CITY THAT WE ARE GOING TO SEE ADEQUATE WATER FLOW TO PREVENT A MASSIVE FIRE.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.
I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
WELL, UH, I KNOW THE PROMOTIONAL WARMS AND I KNEW WHAT WAS IN THE CODE AND ITS ALTERNATIVES TO THE VARIOUS THINGS.
AND I DO KNOW THAT THE CITY, SINCE WE CAME IN WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN WORKING ON A PLAN TO INCREASE THE WATER FLOATERS OUT THERE, WHICH THEY WILL EVENTUALLY IMPLEMENT.
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BE A LOT BETTER.IT'S ALSO WHAT'S IN OUR AGREEMENT WITH THEM.
AND IT'S ALSO WHAT WAS REPRESENTED TO THE STATE.
BUT I'M MODEL DOESN'T SHOW WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THE MODEL THAT WE RAN.
AND, UM, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A MODEL THAT WE USED GOOD SCIENTIFIC ENGINEERING JUDGMENT.
WHEN WE RUN THESE MODELS BASED ON ACTUAL FLOWS THAT WE WANT AT THE TIME WE DO THE MODEL, THIS MODEL IS ONLY A COUPLE OF THREE YEARS OLD.
I SIGNED OFF ON THE PERMITS AND EVERYTHING.
MY CLIENTS IS ENTITLED TO HIS DEVELOPMENT HERE.
THE FLOWS WILL GET WORKED OUT AND I CAN GO TO AND PLACES IN THE CITY.
AND I CAN BARELY GET 300 GALLONS A MINUTE OUT OF SOME OF THOSE HYDRANTS.
AND EVENTUALLY THEY WILL WORK ON IT AND PROVE IT.
THIS IS NOT ONE OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT A CHEAP BOY TOLD US AT OUR MEETING WAS THAT HE THOUGHT THAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT BE WHERE IT IS CURRENTLY.
THOSE WAS SEEN MUCH QUICKER THAN THEY OTHERWISE THOUGHT THAT THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE MORE TIME TO DEAL WITH.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THESE MEMBERS PUT THE BRAKES ON A LITTLE BIT SO THEY CAN CATCH UP.
AND THEN, SO IF I MAY, MY POINT IS 30 DAYS, ISN'T GONNA DO THAT.
NO, BUT 30 DAYS IS GOING TO GIVE US MORE INFORMATION.
WHAT THE STATUS OF THIS EASEMENT IS AND WHAT I'M GOING TO GIVE US MORE REINSURANCE THAT WHEN WE ARE VOTING TO APPROVE IT TO THAT, UM, IT'S NOT GONNA BE AN UNSAFE ISSUE.
I, I HAVE NO IDEA ON, AND THAT'S NOT THE DEVELOPERS.
UH, IT'S NOT
AND THEN A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND REVISE THEM.
I KNOW THAT, UM, THERE WAS SOME
WE'RE GONNA ACT ON IT, BUT 30 DAYS DOES THAT AFFECT YOUR, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE GAIN BY DOING THAT.
I THINK WE HAVE A VALID APPLICATION, THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.
I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF ITS FLAW.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE APPLICATION IS NOT FLOOD.
THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT WATER IN THIS
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN ARGUE WITH YOU ON THIS DOG.
AND SO I, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT AT THIS POINT, LET'S AGREE TO DISAGREE THAT PROCEDURALLY WE ARE REQUIRED TO ACT ON THIS BY WALL.
SO LET'S, I WOULD, I WOULD REQUEST THAT WE ASK FOR A MOTION TO TABLE TO DISAPPROVE OR TO APPROVE, AS I SUGGESTED IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION.
AND, UM, WELL, AS CHAIR, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION.
ARE WE, WE'RE AT A POINT TO DO THAT? I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS CONVERSATION, THIS DISCUSSION HAS TAKEN US ANY FURTHER WITHIN, WE'RE NOT GAINING ANY KNOWLEDGE WITH THIS.
AND SO IF I WERE TO TAKE ONE AND MAKE SURE THAT RC ENGINEER HERE DID NOT REALIZE IT'S A PROBLEM.
WELL, I THINK, NO, I THINK YOU MISREPRESENTING WHAT MR. THOMAS HAS SAID.
I THINK WHAT MR. THOMAS HAD SAID IS HE BASED ON HIS CALCULATIONS, THERE IS NOT A PROBLEM.
AND HE WASN'T GIVEN THE INFORMATION FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
JEFF, CAN I MAKE ONE COMMENT? SO OBVIOUSLY, OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW THIS IS NOT THE LAST SECTION OF LOU WATER-WISE, UM, SPEAKING WITH MR. THOMAS, OBVIOUSLY THE NEXT PHASE IS GOING TO BE COMING IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS.
I THINK BASED ON OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE RIGHT HERE OR DISAPPROVE, I DON'T THINK WE CAN, WE CAN DISAPPROVE IT IF IT'S MET ALL THE WICKETS, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S, IT'S BEEN TOLD TO US THAT THE WATER THING IS NOT AN ISSUE.
OKAY? THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, BUT WHAT I, WHAT I AM GOING TO SUGGEST IS THAT AS THE NEXT BLUE WATER RISE, THE NEXT SECTION OF BLUE WATER RISE COMES UP.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE GET A LITTLE BIT OF MORE CLARITY ON, ON
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WHETHER OR NOT THE WATER ISSUE CAN BE, CAN BE FIXED BY THE NEXT PHASE.I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S MORE THAN ADEQUATE.
OBVIOUSLY THE BOARD IS NOT GONNA, THIS IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY NECESSARILY, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO PUNISH THE DEVELOPER FOR THIS PARTICULAR PHASE, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE ADDRESSED IN 30 DAYS OR 60 DAYS, THIS IS GOING TO BE ADDRESSED AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE THE SAME ARGUMENT.
IT'S GOING TO BE THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE.
THAT'S IT? WELL, THEN YOU PUSH THEM OFF.
EVERYTHING LIES WITH THE CITY AND THEIR ABILITY TO GET THAT WATER LOOP IN.
AND WE'RE NOT HEARING ANYTHING OTHER THAN MAYBE AT THIS POINT.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM WAS.
UH, MICHELLE, I MEAN, I WAS VERY CLEAR AND I SAID, BY THE END OF THIS YEAR OR THE BEGINNING OF MY SHOW THAT WEEKEND, AND HOW LONG WOULD GUESSTIMATE WAS TAKE TO COMPLETE AND ASK THAT QUESTION.
HOW ABOUT WE FIND THAT OUT THE NEXT MEDIA METHOD, UH, 15 SECONDS.
I ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND PRINT IT OUT FOR MYSELF, MAYBE 10 COPIES STILL.
I'M NOT GOING TO BOY QUICKLY AS I CAN.
I REMEMBER IN, UH, JUNE AND JULY WITH THE MINUTES.
AND WE HAD, WE HAD, UH, MR. HUGHES, I BELIEVE HIS ENGINEER IN THE CITY CAME IN AND HE WAS ASKED BADLY, DO WE HAVE ADEQUATE WATER? HE SAID, YO, WE HAVE ENOUGH, UH, WASTEWATER, THE SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT, AND ALSO IN A HORRIBLE WAR TO, UH, GO TO 2060, TAKING THE FROZE AT THE SCENE AND INTROSPECT, UH, THE FOLLOWING MONTH.
AND IT'S IN THE PUBLIC RECORD.
I WASN'T GOING TO MENTION NAMES, BUT IT'S NOT PUBLIC RECORD.
NOT MINUTES IS A, I GUESS THEY'RE PUBLIC RECORDS THAT SHOULD SAY ANYTHING ABOUT MR. HILL CAN MOVE.
I THINK IT WAS A FOREST FIRE MARSHALL RIGHT IN THIS ROOM.
AND HE SAID, UM, AND MR. BLACK CHAIRMAN ASKED HIM, DO WE HAVE ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY? NOW HE DID.
HE'S A TOTALLY INACCURATE SPRINTER.
HOPEFULLY THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
AND SO HE SAID, AND HE MENTIONED, HE PLACES LIKE BLUE WATER RICE, BUT I KNOW MR. THOMAS, WHO'S A RESPECTED ENGINEER IN HIS TOWN OR BEEN INVOLVED IN ALL OF THE, UH, BOTH THE MANY OF THE CELEBRATIONS ARE GOING UP NOW AS A REALTOR.
I LIKED THESE SUBDIVISIONS, BUT, UH, I DON'T, I DIDN'T SEEM SAFE TO, BUT THAT'S, WHAT'S CONFUSING.
WE HEARD ONE THING FROM THE CITY ENGINEER AND ANOTHER THING FROM THE FIRE MARSHALL AND THESE PEOPLE WENT ON THEIR OWN, NOT THEIR OWN.
WE TOLD THEM TO GO OUT AND THEY ACTUALLY TALKED TO THE FIRE CHIEF, WAS IT, OR THE MOTH.
AND I AGREE NOW WITH TRAVIS, I DON'T KNOW HOW HE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE TABLING IT, BUT IT PUTS THEM IN A TERRIBLE POSITION.
BUT I DON'T THINK ANYTHING SHOULD MOVE ON FROM HERE.
I MEAN, FROM HERE ON, WITHOUT ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES OF THE FIRE, MARSHALL BROUGHT UP TO US.
AND UNFORTUNATELY WHEN WE PUSHED THINGS ON TO ALL OF THEM AND THEY DON'T ALWAYS TAKE OFF SUGGESTIONS.
AND LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, UH, ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, I THINK RIGHT BEFORE I COME ONTO THE COMMITTEE, THERE WAS A THING ABOUT THE, UM, I'M WASTING YOUR TIME.
THERE WAS A THING ABOUT THE TURNAROUNDS AND SUBDIVISIONS, AND WE ACTUALLY ASKED THEM TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT WHEN YOU VOTED AND THEY JUST PUSHED THAT ASIDE, I BELIEVE.
SO WHAT IS THE STUFF? WHAT DOES THIS COMMITTEE ACTUALLY, WHATEVER WE REPRESENT, BECAUSE WE SEEM TO BE A SCULPTOR, SORRY.
AND THEN, UH, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T EVEN CARE WHAT WE SAY.
SO I THINK A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE SHOULD BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, A BOARD OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
THAT'S GETTING OFF THE SUBJECT.
BUT, UH, I SORTA BELIEVE IF WE COULD GET, TRY TO SAID, I'M IN FAVOR OF PUSHING ON THAT, THEN DO THIS THING.
AND, UH, BUT IN THE PAST WE HAVE TO HOLD A HARDER LINE.
SO I'M GOING TO BE HONEST THEM FROM, THIS IS JUST MY THOUGHT, BUT OBVIOUSLY AGAIN, THIS IS NOT THE FINAL PHASE OF BLUE WATER RISE.
I THINK AS BLUE WATER RISE GOES ON, I THINK THE MORE MICRO SCOPING WE DO TO ENSURE FUTURE PHASES OF THIS, THAT THEY DO HAVE THE ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO REQUIRE.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO REASON NOT TO DOUBT THE CITY ENGINEER.
I JUST, I DON'T HAVE A REASON TO DOUBT WHAT HE'S SAYING.
I ALSO DON'T HAVE A DOUBT TO DOUBT, YOU KNOW, MR. THOMAS, HOWEVER, IT IS A CONCERN.
UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE US APPROVE THIS, BUT THE NEXT BUTTON, BY THE TIME IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS, WHEN THE NEXT PHASE OF BLUE WATER RISE COMES AROUND, WE NEED SOME ANSWERS.
AND I THINK THAT'S A FAIR, THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION.
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THAT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME SITUATION.WELL, THERE'S GOING TO CHANGE THE SAME.
THING'S GOING TO HAPPEN FOR THE NEXT PHASE.
I MEAN, IS THAT, I MEAN, IS THAT A, IS THAT A FAIR ENOUGH? THAT'S TERRIBLY REASONABLE AS LONG BECAUSE WHAT JEFF IS TELLING US, THE, THEY ONLY IMPEDIMENT RIGHT NOW, A COMPLETE THAT LOOP IS THIS, UM, EASEMENT THAT THE CITY HAS TO GET EXACT CORRECT.
THE FINAL STAGE OF A MOVE OF SECURITIES, CORRECT.
WHICH MAY BE DONE BY NOW, BUT IN THE LAST I TALKED TO JORDAN AT SIGN AND PAY.
WHAT ABOUT A WATER TOWER? DAVID DISCUSSED WAS THE MATTER, SORRY.
THE MATTER BEFORE US REMAINS, WE HAVE AN APPLICATION BEFORE US FOR A FINAL PLAN, UH, APPROVAL, BUT THERE, THERE IS NO BLOOD STUFF.
IF WE HAVE AN APPLICATION WE HAVE BEFORE I MADE MY POINT WHAT TRAVIS IS ARGUING, WE APPROVED THE PLAN AS SUBMITTED, BUT BEFORE IT COMES BEFORE US, IT, BY THAT TIME, HOPEFULLY THE EASEMENT WILL BE FOR WHENEVER WE GO TO THE WATER, NEVER SATISFIED.
THOSE PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED RIGHT NOW.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND SO THAT'S A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER TIME.
WE ARE BOUND BY LAW TO ACT ON THIS APPLICATION.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES THE ATTORNEY CAN SAY THAT.
AND I CAN SAY THAT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
WHAT YOU CALL A QUESTION ON THIS AND LET'S, WELL, WHAT DO WE DO LIKE TO REQUEST A MOTION I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.
WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT? RIGHT, MAN, WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE IF I, TO UNDERSTAND YOUR THOUGHTS? EXACTLY.
IF WE ARE, I CONSIDER THIS APPLICATION FLORIDA, BECAUSE IT WASN'T ACCURATE ABOUT THE WAR.
WOULD YOU EXPRESS ANY RESERVATIONS GOING FORWARD NOW THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THE WATER FLOW, RIGHT? AND ANOTHER SIMILAR APPLICATION COMES TO US.
IT IS STILL WORKING ON GETTING AN EASEMENT.
WOULD I BE COMFORTABLE HAVING THIS SAME DISCUSSION ABOUT A FUTURE PHASE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AFTER THE WAR? IT'S NOT THE RIGHT.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
AND WE DIDN'T HAVE OPPOSITION, NOT IF IT MEETS A LAND USE ORDINANCE.
THAT'S OUR POINT LAND YOU SAW THIS IS FOURTH.
AND IF YOU'VE GOT, IF YOU'RE FORCED TO VOTE FOR A, UM, SO PART OF THIS PROCESS, IT GOES THROUGH THE DEPARTMENTAL REVIEW HERE.
SO AS PART, PART OF THIS PROCESS IS WE, THAT GOES DEPARTMENTAL REVIEW THE PR ALL OF THE CITY DEPARTMENTS REVIEW IT.
WE HAVE TO BASE OUR DECISIONS OFF OF THAT INFORMATION.
I'M NOT DISAGREEING BY THE WAY, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS ONE OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS.
AND, AND, AND, UH, HE, THEY THOUGHT THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD TAKE MUCH LOWER, LONGER.
THEY, THEY WENT OUT THERE AND ACTUALLY CHECKED THE FLOOR, RIGHT.
THEY DISCOVERED IT WAS TOMORROW.
WELL, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THE TIMETABLE, WHEN THESE DIFFERENT THINGS WERE DISCOVERED, BUT WE KNOW AS IT STANDS TODAY, IF THEY BUILD THAT CONSTRUCT, THEN WE'D BE PASSAGED TODAY AND THEY DON'T GET THE EASEMENT THROUGH.
SO I THINK FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, IF THE CITY HAS, HAS A DESIGN IN PLACE FOR THIS PROJECT, AND WE'RE WAITING ON AN EASEMENT, HAPPENS ALL THE TIME IN MY WORLD.
UM, I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO QUALMS ABOUT APPROVING THIS APPLICATION IN THAT REGARD TO MY FACE, THAT YOU HAVE NO QUALMS OF PROVING SOMETHING THAT IS INHERENTLY DANGEROUS AND PEOPLES, I THINK THAT'S A, MIS-CHARACTERIZATION THAT ISN'T THE EQUIVALENT.
I MEAN, I THINK IT IS, BUT BESIDE THE POINT, UH, I I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION IF YOU'RE PREPARED TO CALL FOR ONE, OKAY.
IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY, AS LONG AS THE PAPERWORK, THE NORM FOR IN PART, THEY'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT THEM.
SO IT'S, IT'S A KIN TO A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN CITY DEVELOPMENT, CITY PLANNING.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE SMALL PIECE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A, A 50 TO LOCK A RESIDENTIAL PLAN, NEEDED DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S ONE SMALL PIECE AND THE CITY HAS MULTIPLE PLANS GOING ALL OVER ALL.
AND SO ONE OF THEM HAPPENS TO BE A WATER LINE EXTENSION, TO A COMPLETE, A LOOP FOR
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THIS AREA OF THE CITY.YOU MAKE IT ALMOST SOUND LIKE IT'S THE EQUIVALENCY OF SOMEBODY TRYING TO PUT ALUMINUM SIGNING ON THAT STORE ACCOUNTS DOWN, DOWN.
UH, I DON'T THINK I MADE THAT, UH, ANALOGY, BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THERE ARE THINGS, THERE ARE ALWAYS PLANS IN THE WORKS, RIGHT? FOR ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
I MEAN, WHETHER IT BE STORMWATER, WHETHER IT BE ANYTHING ELSE.
AND I'LL KEEP CIRCLING BACK TO THIS, BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT HERE IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT WE ARE REQUIRED, THIS PLANNING, ZONING BOARD TO ACT ON AN APPLICATION WHEN IT COMES BEFORE US.
SO WE CAN CHOOSE TO DISAPPROVE IT.
IF IT DOESN'T MEET THE, UH, LAND USE ORDINANCE, WE CAN APPROVE IT IF IT DOES, AND WE HAVE THE OPTION TO TABLE IT, BUT WE HAVE A LIMITED PERIOD OF TIME TO DEAL WITH THAT 60 DAYS.
AND SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS APPLICATION MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE.
AND THERE IS NO REASON FOR US TO DO THAT.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE CONCERNS, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS APPLICATION ON ITS MERITS THIS, UM, YES, SIR.
IF IT BEING APPROVAL OF PLANS, SUCH AS THIS, WE HAVE CONCERNED ABOUT THE INHERENT SAFETY, IS THAT BASED ON WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TOLD US DIRECTLY, IF THERE IS A DISASTER DOWN ARISE TO THE HYPOTHETICAL WIRES THAT ARE WE IN ANY WAY, PERSONALLY, CULPABLE, UH, FOR ANY DISASTER THAT HAPPENS IN THESE FAMILIES, THE BOARD WHO WOULD BE VOTING TO APPROVE IT BASED ON THE PAPERWORK BEING ACCEPTED.
I CAN'T PROVIDE LEGAL ADVICE TO YOU ALL IN YOUR INDIVIDUAL CAPACITIES.
WHAT I CAN SAY IS IF A GOVERNMENT PASSES A LAW AND A SUB SECTION OF THE GOVERNMENT, SUCH AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BARELY APPLIES THAT LAW, THERE ARE PROTECTIONS FOR THAT.
AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN EXACTLY? YOUR OFFICE IN THE CITY IS GOING TO VENDOR INCORPORATES.
THERE'S THIS CONCEPT OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
I CANNOT, I CANNOT GIVE YOU ALL THE LEGAL ADVICE AS TO YOUR INDIVIDUAL.
THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE PURVIEW OF BIASES.
WHAT I CAN SAY IS WHEN YOU FOLLOW THE LAWS AND YOU ARE ACTING UNDER THE COLOR OF THE GOVERNMENT, ENTITY, YOUR PROTECTIONS FOR THEM SUCH AS GOVERNMENT, OKAY.
FIRE CHIEFS COMING, EXCUSE ME, BY BOYS COMMENT, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT FIRE FROM WHAT YOU ALL CALL ONE WAY OF THE YEAR IN A MINUTE.
YEAH, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE WHY WE COULDN'T APPROVE IT AS ITS ROAD, BUT BEFORE ANOTHER PHASE IS PUT IT INTO THE MICROPHONE, MAKE OUR CALLS, MAKE OUR COMPLAINTS, SEE WHAT WE CAN GET DONE.
THAT'S A REASONABLE COMPROMISE.
I THINK THAT WITH THE, JUST LET US AS BOARD MEMBERS MAKE THE PHONE CALLS.
WE'RE OUT IN FRONT OF A PROBLEM.
IF THERE'S A PROBLEM BEFORE THE NEXT ONE COMES UP AND WE KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE
THERE'S DOWN 17 AND 70 BROTHER.
THERE'S NO, IF TO IT AND SOME OF THE STUFF LIKE THIS IS GOING TO BE LOVELY DEVELOPMENTS, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF WAR AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
IF THE CITY IS NOT CAREFUL, IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENED IN THE LARGEST CITY IN NORTH CAROLINA.
WE'RE ABOUT FOUR O'CLOCK EVERY AFTERNOON.
WHEN PEOPLE IN SOUTH CHARLOTTE STARTED TURNING THE WATER FAUCET SONG, NO WATER CAME OUT.
THEY HAD TO PUT IT IN WATER MAIN IN, FROM THE CENTER OF TOWN OUT THERE, FOUR FOOT, FOUR FOOT, RIGHT STRAIGHT DOWN PROVIDENCE ROAD.
THEN THEY HAD TO TURN THE GROUND AND DO THE SAME THING AGAIN, DOWN PARK ROAD TO SATISFY BALLANTINE.
MR. CHAIR, WOULD YOU, IS IT YOUR INTENTION TO RECESS THIS MEETING BRIEFLY FOR THE FIRE MARSHALL TO, AND HE SAID, IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT HERE.
I ASSUME IF YOU WANT TO REACH US, I'M SORRY.
IT'S EASY QUESTIONS AND QUESTIONS AND HIS ANSWERS DON'T PERTAIN TO WHAT WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GO AHEAD AND TAKE US OUT ON THIS.
LET MR. THOMAS PLEASE GO HOME AND HAVE A DRINK BECAUSE HE PROBABLY NEEDS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED.
I THINK THAT'S THE SMARTEST WAY TO ACT, BUT THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.
COMPLETELY THE DOOR ON THIS ITEM.
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AND THEN WE CAN ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS WE'D LIKE, BUT THEY DON'T PERTAIN TO THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.WE ARE BOUND TO ACT ON SOUTH AFRICA.
AT THIS POINT, THE CHAIR LIKES TO HEAR A MOTION TO ADOPT THE PROPOSAL HAS SO PRESENTED TO US, BUT WE'RE GOING TO ASK THAT THE MEMBERS FOR, UM, STAY AFTERWARDS AS WE HAD IN THE BARBECUE COURTESY OF, UH, ADDRESSING OUR CONCERNS AND AUTO ALSO ALLEVIATE, UH, MR. JOHN THOMAS TIME.
AND WE'RE GLAD THAT HE'S AWARE THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM HERE RIGHT NOW.
UH, AND HE KNOWS THAT WHAT ARKANSAS RUNS ON AND I'M SURE HE RESPECTS THEM AT, OKAY.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINAL PLAN FOR MONITOR K PHASE ONE.
THE WATER RISE AS PRESENTED IS THAT MAY I HAVE A MOTION? AND SECOND IS NOT VEHICLE.
THANK YOU RIGHT HERE IN ARKANSAS.
I'LL BE GLAD TO STICK AROUND AND PULL DOWN AND APPRECIATE YOU.
UM, DID YOU EVER THINK
AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT DATE THAT WOULD BE? ALMOST THE SECOND OR THE SECOND IS THE TUESDAY.
SO AUGUST 4TH WOULD BE THE YEAH.
JEFF, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT IS YOUR SCHEDULE? UH, WE ALWAYS MAKE THIS CHANGE FOR SUNNY.
FOURTH? WHAT? I'LL WAIT, DOES IT? WHATEVER Y'ALL DECIDE.
THURSDAYS ARE ALWAYS BETTER
SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE AUGUST 4TH.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS CONCERNS ABOUT THE CALENDAR FOR NEXT YEAR? AT THIS POINT, AT THIS POINT WOULD BE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDED, UH, CALENDAR WHEREBY IN THE AUGUST 2ND, 2022.
WE'VE GOTTEN A SECOND MOTION, MOTION SECONDED.
UM, SO AT THIS POINT WE CAN CLOSE THE MEETING NOW.
UH, COULD WE PLEASE HAVE A VOCAL? YEAH.
NOW WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HAVE A CONVERSATION OR WHATEVER YOU WANT.
IT'S BETTER TO HAVE IT ON THE RECORD, THE CONVERSATION.
WE HAVE QUORUMS. I DON'T THINK WE CAN SIT HERE WITHOUT BEING, UH, UH,
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EVERYBODY PUT YOUR PHONE OUT AND CHECK YOUR EMAIL.YOU RIGHT HERE AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO CALL FOR A FIVE MINUTE RECESS THEM.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A VOTE ON THAT MOTION IN A SECOND.
YOU HAVE THE FLOW DATA WITH A MAP WITH THE HYDROPS LIFT LOAD.
YOU HAVE, DID YOU HAVE THAT? YOU CAN SHARE WITH ME JUST A, JUST A CFM OF VOLUME.
IS THAT WHAT WE'VE YOU TALKED TO US ABOUT WHAT CFM AND THE FACT THAT IT WAS SO NEW AND QUITE FRANKLY, RYMAN ALL OF THIS BACKS UP TO NATIONAL FOREST.
WHAT HAPPENS AS FAR AS NOT JUST ON FIRE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALL WHAT ELSE? BUT IT'S A BIBLE.
I MEAN, WHAT HAPPENS AT THE WORK THOUGH FALLS DOWN, RIGHT? EVERYBODY WILL GET WET.
I MEAN, THOSE HAVE GREAT CAPACITY FOR GREAT.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
YOU HEARD ME SAY ABOUT CHARLOTTE AND THE LACK OF YOUR PULL OUT OF THERE WITH EVERYTHING THAT IS COMING ALL IN THE CITY IN THE NEXT LITTLE WHILE, IF ONE SITE FROM ONE PROPERTY, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH NUMEROUS ONES TO EXPLODE AND THAT'S GOING TO MEAN THAT MUCH MORE MARCHING DOWN SEVEN
NOT THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING THEIR JOB, BUT WITH THE EXPLOSIVE GROWTH THAT YOU PROBABLY HAVE, THIS IS ABOUT, I GUESS MAYBE I'M LESS CONCERNED ONLY BECAUSE THE PROFESSIONAL MAN, WE, WE SEE THIS SORT OF STUFF ALL THE TIME.
SO IT REALLY DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T THROW UP ANY RED FLAGS FOR ME, IT'S IT, IT'S THIS SORT OF STUFF HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING THOUGH, BECAUSE MY HUSBAND IS AN ENGINEER AND DID SITE PLANS FOR IBM.
AND THEN THE REASON WE GOT DOWN HERE IS HE SOLD THE WASTEWATER EXPANSION CITY OF NEWBURGH IN THE EARLY NINETIES.
SO HE UNDERSTANDS IT'S AN UPSET.
AND THEY ARE REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPMENT HERE AS WELL.
AND HE WAS UNAWARE OF ANY, A MOTOR PROTECTOR WATER FLOW RATE.
I'M SORRY, ARE WE BACK IN THE NOW? YEAH, I WILL LIKE ALL RECESS OVER AND BRINGING THIS GAME BACK THE ORDER MEETINGS BACK ORDER.
AND SO YOU ARE WORKING ON RECORD AND NOTICE SHORT NOTICE, AND WE HAD A WORKED OUR WAY THROUGH IMPROVE ON THE FILES PAGE, A UNIT, AND WE WERE MOST CONCERNED THAT EASEMENT IS YOUR FOREST TRUST.
I BELIEVE IT WAS THE CITY CONCERN SUPPOSED TO, AND, AND EVERYBODY'S OPINION THAT WILL HELP US WITH GETTING THIS BOAT, WATER FLOW RATE TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S SAFE FOR CONCERN AND COMPLIANCE MORE, THE ACCEPTED FLOWS FOR DEVELOPMENTS OF THIS SIZE, AS YOU, AS WE KNOW RIGHT NOW, WHEN YOU ARE TOLD THAT THAT THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THE FINAL PARTS AGAIN, AND THEY HOPE THAT ONGOING SOMETIMES
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IN THE EARLY PART OF THIS COMMON NEAR, AND NOW WE SHOULD BE A SOLUTION OR A REMEDY THAT YOU CURRENTLY EXPERIENCE WITH THEM.IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN ADD TO THAT? UH, THE VOLUME PART OF THOSE BECAUSE, UH, NOT NEGOTIATION SIDE OF IT, BUT I HAVE BEEN AFFORDED THAT WITH JORDAN IS WORKING THAT OUT AND TRYING TO MAKE THAT PLAN COME TO FRUITION.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY GRADED SOME REALLY GOOD TRACTION WAS GOOD BEFORE, BUT, AND I WANT TO FIRST SAY, AS WE DISCUSSED BEFORE, WHEN YOU GUYS CAME BY FAR OUT TO TALK TO ME, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS BEING PROACTIVE.
THAT'S A GREAT THING BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE MORE PROACTIVE.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A FINE LINE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, HAVING WHAT YOU REALLY NEED AND BE ABLE TO WORK WITH WHAT YOU HAVE.
JUST LIKE I EXPLAINED TO YOU BEFORE WE'VE GOT WATER OUT THERE IS IT MEETING IN FPA REQUIREMENTS IN THE BACK SIDE OF IT, NOT AS ACCURATE, BUT WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER TOWARDS MAKING THAT OCCUR, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE AROUND THIS TABLE UNDERSTANDS, THIS IS NOT GOING TO STOP US FROM FIGHTING FIRE.
AND IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP US FROM HAVING AN ADEQUATE SOURCE DIFFERENCES.
WE MAY HAVE TO HAVE OTHER OPTIONS, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CANNOT PROTECT THE HOMES THAT ARE OUT THERE.
NOW THE BEST CASE SCENARIO IS THIS DEVELOPMENT GROOVES OUT YES, IS TO GET A THOUSAND GALLONS A MINUTE OUT THERE AND THAT SECOND WATERLINE ACCOMPLISH THAT.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THERE'S NOT A DIRE NEED FOR US TO PANIC OR BE CONCERNED THAT WE'RE NOT DOING AND ABLE TO DO OUR JOB IN THAT AREA, AS IT IS.
IF THE DIVORCE RATE IS NOT UP TO THE ACCEPTED AND THE PA STANDARDS IS YEAH.
DOES HE MPA UNDERSTAND IS, IS, IS A RECOMMENDATION.
AND IS THAT, DOES THAT IMPACT PEOPLE'S FIREARMS? NO, THAT'S GREAT.
AND WE ACTUALLY ACTUALLY, IN REALITY, WE'RE SYSTEM GRADED BETTER THAN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WE'VE GOT A GREAT MOTOR SYSTEM.
AND I THINK LIKE I TOLD Y'ALL BEFORE WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THE GROWTH OF THAT AREA IS TAKEN OFF MORE QUICKLY THAN EVERYBODY DISSIPATED.
SO THE PLANS HAVE BEEN IN PLACE ALL ALONG TO DO THIS, BUT BECAUSE OF THAT, IT'S EXPEDITED AND IN CREATIVE WAYS OF US TO FIND WAYS OF GETTING THAT WATER SOURCE IN THERE.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP US BECAUSE THEY'RE MIRRORS, YOU GO OUTSIDE THE CITY AND YOU GO TO SOME OF THESE RURAL AREAS AND THEY USE TITERS.
THEY ONLY HAVE 500 GALLONS OF WATER THERE AND THEY'RE HOTTER MAY BE MILES APART AND THEY'LL HAVE BRINGING THE TYPER SYSTEM AND WE ALREADY HAVE MUTUAL AID PLACE.
SO EVEN IF IT WAS A SITUATION, THERE'S SO MANY OPTIONS, IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP AGAIN.
I APPRECIATE YOU BEING PROACTIVE.
I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN, BUT THAT YOU FEEL LIKE I'VE GOT SOMEBODY IN OUR CORNER HELPING US MAKE SURE THESE THINGS ARE OCCURRING, BUT THEY ARE OCCURRING.
YOU MAY NOT BE HAPPENING TO THIS PAST WEEK OR TWO.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK THE AREA EXPANDED A WHOLE LOT QUICKER THAN ANYBODY EVER WHOLE CITY HAS JUST BLOWN UP.
WHEN DID YOU FIRST DISCOVER THE ARTICLE FLOW WATER RATE OUT OF THE BLUE BORDER RISE? I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY.
I'D HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT MY RECORDS AND FIND OUT WHERE IT'S THIS SOMETHING FAIRLY NEW STILL.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY THREE TO 400 GALLONS A MINUTE IS ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 200 GALLONS COMPARED TO A THOUSAND GALLONS.
BUT IF WE WERE TO HAVE A MAJOR FLAG, RATION OF A FIRE OR SOMETHING, THAT'S WHEN YOU, BUT THERE'S ALSO OTHER METHODS.
LIKE I SAY, THERE'S OTHER WAYS WE CAN DO THINGS, YOU KNOW, BUT RIGHT NOW I, I DON'T.
AND I, I PUT IN, I'VE BEEN THE CHIEF NOW SIX YEARS, I'VE BEEN IN APARTMENT 32 AND I WOULD NOT PUT MY NECK OUT ON THE LINE.
IF I FELT THAT THERE WAS A SITUATION THERE, IT WAS DONE AGAIN.
WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS BEING PROACTIVE BECAUSE WE NEED A LITTLE BIT THINKING PRO AT IT BECAUSE IT'S THE CITY ROLE.
AND WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT EXPLAINING FLIP.
I WOULD NOT, I WOULD NOT SIT HERE AND TELL YOU THAT IT WAS A DIRE NEED IF IT WAS.
I THINK, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT WE WANT TO BE PLANNING FOR IS WHEN THAT, THAT DIVIDE THAT LINE WHERE YOU'RE PAST THE LINE, WHEN IT'S NOT ENOUGH, WE WANT TO NOT, I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE YET.
I'VE BEEN STANDING UP, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO GET, AND I AGREE.
I MEAN, AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH COMING TO THESE MEETINGS SOMETIMES WHEN, WHEN A SITUATION LIKE THIS COMES UP TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN FROM OUR, FROM OUR SIDE OF IT AND HOW WE LOOK AT TIMES, BUT RIGHT NOW I JUST, WELL THAT YOU KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT YOU FOR YEARS TO COME.
WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A WATER SYSTEM AND
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AGAIN, I'M NOT THE EXPERT, I JUST KNOW IT FROM THE FIRE PROTECTION SIDE OF THINGS.WHEN YOU LOOK AT WATER, IF YOU GOT TAKE YOUR WATER HOSE, LAY A WATER HOSE OUT, YOU GOT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WATER COMING OUT.
THE END OF WELL, IF YOU START ROBBING FROM THAT IT STARTS ROBBING FROM PEOPLE ALL ALONG THE LINE.
SO WHAT YOU DO TO FIX THAT AS YOU BRING UP ANOTHER LOOP TO TIE IN AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED.
SO IT'S NOT THAT THE WATER IS NOT THERE.
IT'S JUST, IF, IF FOR US, IF WE WERE TO HAVE A MAJOR SITUATION, THEN THAT'S WHERE A THOUSAND AND AGAIN IN FPA IS A RECOMMENDATION.
THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE.
THAT'S LIKE HAVING ALL THE APPLES IN THE CART AND BEING HAPPY.
UH, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CANNOT PERFORM OUR JOB.
AND NUMBER ONE, IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT PEOPLE IN THAT AREA ARE NOT PROTECTED EQUALLY AS SOMEBODY ELSE PHASES OF THAT SUBDIVISION CAN BE BUILT WITHOUT THAT ROUTE BEING DONE BEFORE.
HONESTLY NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING.
I COULD, RIGHT NOW WE DID BACK TO THE BACKSIDE OF, THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN TURNED ON, BUT THERE'VE BEEN SOME FLOWS DONE.
I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT MY RECORDS AND TELL YOU THIS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO, OUR PROBLEM IS WHAT WE, THE ISSUE FOR US RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE LIVING ALONG WITH RIGHT NOW TODAY, THIS PHASE, THE NEXT THREE PHASES.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THAT ENTIRE PROPERTY OUT THERE, ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S 700 GALLONS, 500 GALLONS, 600 GALLONS WE'RE WE STILL CAME BEFORE THEM.
OUR JOB IS JUST NOT PULLING FROM OTHER RESOURCES.
THAT'S MR. THOMAS, HOW MANY MORE PHASES ARE THERE? UH, ON MONITOR, WE HAVE ANOTHER PHASE THAT WE'RE STARTING TO BUILD NOW, UH, WHICH IS A SMALL LOT.
UH, NOW ON ANOTHER PHASE OF WHAT'S CALLED HOOD, WHICH IS THE LORD 20,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT JUST BEING BUILT NOW.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PHASE OF IT.
UM, WE'VE JUST BEEN GIVEN THE AUTHORIZATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REST OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS PROBABLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 350 OR SO BLOCKS, WHICH IS BROAD, GOOD WAYS DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, BUT I'VE BEEN TOLD TO KEEP A HUNDRED LOTS AHEAD OF THIS DEVELOPER AND WE'VE BEEN PRETTY MUCH DOING THAT.
SO THEY'RE MOVING ALONG PRETTY GOOD.
I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT A 15 OR 20 YEAR BUILD OUT AT ONE TIME AND WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HIT THE 15 WITH THE NUMBER OF WATTS THAT WE'RE TALKING IN THERE.
I'LL BE HOME BY THE TIME THEY DO WITH NICK NICK'S HOUSE IN THERE.
WHAT IS COMING DOWN THE ROAD ON THAT 70 CARD OR IN THE WAY OF NEW DEVELOPMENT, UM, IN THE CITY, NOTHING THAT I'M AWARE OF.
UM, THERE ARE SOME DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE IN THE COUNTY ON THE COUNTY WATER SYSTEM AND THEY HAVE NO FIRE PROTECTION.
I MEAN, WE PUT A HYBRID IN THERE, BUT THEY FIGHT FIRES DIFFERENTLY THAN THE CITY EVERYONE DOES.
AND, UM, AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE RUN THESE MODELS, UM, TO PREDICT WHAT THE HYBRID FLOW IS.
AND WE TARGET A THOUSAND AND WE HIT IT PRETTY CLOSE INTO DEVELOPMENT, BUT YOU KNOW, IF THE DEVELOPMENT TAKES TWO OR THREE YEARS, THE DEVELOPMENT OF SELF IS NOT ROBBING COMBAT, BUT DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING IN OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY COULD BE ROBYN FROM THIS.
SO WHEN WE GO INTO THE NEXT, WORKING ON THE SECTION, I MEAN, IT'LL TAKE US SIX MONTHS TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE READY TO SUBMIT ANYTHING.
PROBABLY WE WILL REVISIT THOSE MODELS AND RERUN THEM.
WE W WE DON'T MODEL THE WHOLE CITY.
AND, UH, I THINK JORDAN MAY HAVE THE WHOLE CITY, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DO.
WE'D GO OUT AND WE'D PICK A COUPLE HYDRANTS THAT WE'RE TIED INTO AND WE FLOW THOSE.
AND THAT IS WHAT WE INCLUDE IN OUR MODEL TO PREDICT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE SUBDIVISION AND, UM, ASKED THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW.
BUT, UH, WITH THIS KIND OF A SAFE, I'M GONNA PUT UP PLEASANT HYBRIDS TOMORROW, THE BLUE WATER, WE'LL SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE.
AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT COME INTO PLAY TOO, WHEN YOU FLOW HYDRANTS, AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, THE TIME OF DAY, IT'S A TYPE FOUR IS HALF EMPTY AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO IT'S, IT'S KINDA LIKE IT'S DYNAMIC.
SO IF, IF I MADE, SO FROM LOOKING THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION FROM A LENS POINT OF VIEW OF PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, THE INFORMATION THAT COMES FROM FOR US WHEN A, UH, PUT APPLICATION COMES TO US OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS THE DEPARTMENT WILL REPEAT.
SO IF ON THE DEPARTMENT OF REVIEW, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT SAYS, GOOD TO GET IT, THEN WE SHOULD TAKE THAT ON FACE VALUE AS WELL.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR IS THAT IF YOU, IF THE, EVERY DEPARTMENT SAYS WE'RE GOOD TO GO, THEN WE SHOULD TRUST THAT INFORMATION AS TRUE AND GOOD AND TRUST OUR CITY OFFICIALS AND CARRY ON.
AND THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE OBLIGATED TO DO AS PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THAT, THAT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT, NO,
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THIS IS NOT UNCOMMON.WE WORK IN ABOUT EIGHT OR 10 COUNTIES, AND WE RUN INTO THIS QUITE A BIT AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY WE CAN'T GET, BUT 850 GALLONS OUT OF A HOTTER WHEN WE RUN OUR MODEL.
AND IT JUST SAY THAT LIKE ACCOUNT OF WHEN A DEALER WANTS A THOUSAND, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO STOP THE 200 WALK DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OF 150 GALLONS.
SO THEY, THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT AND THE FIRE MARSHALL HAS DISCRETION TO BE ABLE TO ACCEPT THAT.
BUT THE OTHER THING, TOO, IF YOU CAN'T SEND THE WAR TO ME, I CAN'T DELIVER IT.
AND THAT HAS A LITTLE BIT TO DO WITH IT TOO.
AND THEY REALIZE THAT, BUT IT'S NOT ANYTHING UNCOMMON WITH THE CITY OF NEW HAVEN.
WE RUN INTO THAT QUITE A BIT, EVEN IN WASTEWATER TREATMENT TOO, WE'RE PERMITTING PROJECTS THAT THE MUNICIPALITY MAY NOT HAVE LINE CAPACITY, BUT THEY HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE AND ACKNOWLEDGED THAT TO THE STATE.
AND EVENTUALLY WITHIN SOME PERIOD OF TIME, THAT GETS DONE AS LONG AS THERE'S A PLAN IN PLACE, YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT.
THE PLAN REVIEW, IF WE DID NOT SEE THAT SECOND TIME COMING IN SCREEN, I MISS I'M FULL OF MOSELEY.
WHY WAS THE ISSUE OF SEPARATION HAD TO BE MORE FIXED? AND NOW I HEAR THAT THE FIRE MARSHALL SAYS, WELL, WE CAN IGNORE THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE ORGANIZATION, THAT THOUSAND GALLONS PER MINUTE FLOW, RIGHT? WHY IS THAT NOT ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS YET THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICE WOULDN'T BE AN ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS ON THE SEPARATION OF ENTRANCES, EXCUSE ME, THAT SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATION OF SOME ADVISORY ORGANIZATIONS.
SO CIVIC, TECH DISCRETION, AND APPLYING WHICH STANDARDS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED BY THESE ENTITIES THAT THEY'D LIKE TO APPLY USING THEIR PROFESSIONAL SKILLS AND EXPERTISE.
SO STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHY ONE HAS TO BE FIXED.
WHY WEREN'T WE ABLE TO, UM, AT LEAST, UH, TWO WAY, AND YOU MAY BE ABLE TO, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MR. LAYTON AND OTHERS ARE WORKING ON A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN THAT THEY MAY ADOPT, BUT THAT'S ENTIRELY WITHIN THE, HAVE YOU HAD TIME TO REVIEW? WHAT WAS THE WORK GROUP WORK ON? THE LAST CONVERSATION I HAD WAS IN THE WORKING WITH, WHICH I BELIEVE IS LAST WEEK, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT, AND YOU'RE WAITING TO GET THAT FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HALF DISRUPTIVE START VERY SOON.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S INVOLVED WITH GETTING THIS EASTMAN AND WHY IT'S BEEN TAKING SUCH A LONG TIME, THEN THE ENGINEERING DEVELOPING COMPLAINT, THE LOOP.
I IMAGINE THEY WERE LOOKING AT SOME KIND OF MAPS AND WHERE THE, THE THING, HOW LONG HAS THIS INTO AN APPLICATION AND GOING ON WITH
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE AND KIND OF GIVE YOU MY VIEWPOINT, BUT I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TIRE THE CROP IN, BUT NOW I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT A DINER.
I KNOW THAT THAT'S AN OPTION WHEN THAT'S NOT EXACTLY RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ENOUGH FIRE FLOW, BUT IF WE WERE TO HAVE MAJOR REPEATS DONE, WE HAVE OTHER OPTIONS IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY TO YOU.
WE'RE, WE'RE VERY BLESSED IN THE CITY TO HAVE GREAT, EXCUSE ME.
THEY ACTUALLY GRADED BETTER THAN THE FIRE PORCH.
SO WE'VE GOT A GREAT WAR SYSTEM IN PLACE AND A GREAT PLAN IN PLACE FOR IT ALL.
BUT IF YOU GO OUTSIDE, YOU SEE THE LIMITS, LIKE
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HE WOULD PUT THOMAS WAS BEING PAID IN HERE SINCE I COMPLETED THE DIFFERENCE, BUT WE HAVE HUGE OIL PACKS WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS.IF SOMETHING, IT, I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW, MY BROTHER HAD TOMORROW AND THE WORD OF SIPPING HERE.
FOR SOME REASON, HE HAD TO ALWAYS HAVE OPPOSITE.
I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT ALL YOUR OPTIONS WHEREVER YOU'RE DOING THAT.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE FEEL LIKE AT THIS POINT, WE'RE OKAY.
ESPECIALLY WITH THE PLANS YOU SLICE IT WITH.
SO IF THERE'S A FIRE, LET'S SAY IDEA, BATMAN, JOIN ME FOR, UM, YOU HAVE
YOU MIGHT INCLUDE A TANK, TANK TRUCKS.
I THINK THE NEW YORK, WE CALL THEM PUMPER TRUCKS, AIRTIGHT YOUR TANKERS.
UH, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, IT'S ALL IN WHAT YOU REQUIRED, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A GREAT WORD SYSTEM, WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE TANKER, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T EVER HAVE.
SO YOU CREATE, CREATE, GET YOUR WAY WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS, BECAUSE AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO COME TO FAIL, HE DIDN'T THINK HE FAIL AND YOU NEED TO HAVE PLAN B FOR EVERYTHING.
YOU MIGHT REACH OUT TO VANCE BURROW FOR ASSISTANCE.
TYPICALLY WE PICK THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE CLOSE WITH LIKE, UH, TOWNSHIP SEVEN, UH, NUMBER SIX, THE APARTMENT 31.
WE HAD MUTUAL AID PACKS WITH ALL THOSE.
WE HAVE RESPONSE MAPS IN PLACE.
SO THEN LIKE WE GET A SET ALARM.
THEY WOULD AUTOMATICALLY DISPATCH.
CHIEF WOULD APPRECIATE ANYTIME, ANYTIME THOUGH, I WOULD RATHER COME HERE AND ANSWER A QUESTION FOR YOU.
THEN YOU WANTED ME TO HEAR FROM THE EXPERT, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO, ESPECIALLY TALKING ABOUT WATER.
CITIZENS HAVE JORDAN HERE AT THE SAME TIME.
IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WATER FROM OUT, THEY TALK TO YOU ABOUT FIREFIGHTER.
HE CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE WORST SIDE.