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OKAY.[Community Services Committee on November 9, 2021.]
ALL RIGHT.THIS IS TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 9TH.
UM, AND THIS IS THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE.
AND WITH ME ARE COUNCILMAN ROBERT VERA AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, BJ WILLIAMS AND CITY ATTORNEY BRIAN ENGLAND, AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT STAFF MEMBERS.
SO, UM, ITEM ONE ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE OCTOBER 11TH, 2021 MEETING, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO READ OVER THEM AND REVIEW THEM? SO, YEAH.
UH, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE YES.
I'VE HAD GESTURE FOR ROSE, RIGHT? YES.
ITEM TWO IS TO REVIEW THE FALL 2021 NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY MATCHING GRANT APPLICATIONS.
AND SCOTT, YOU ARE GOOD AFTERNOON, SCOTT BOLINGER, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY MANAGER.
UM, AND I BELIEVE IN PREVIOUS CYCLES WE HAD TAKEN THESE ONE AT A TIME AND GOTTEN FEEDBACK.
IS THAT HOW YOU WANT TO DO IT TODAY OR? OKAY, SO, UM, WE HAD SIX QUALIFIED APPLICATIONS FOR THE FALL CYCLE.
UM, THERE, THEY WERE LOCATED ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UH, I JUST HAVE THESE PRESENTED IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER.
SO THE FIRST IS CAPTAIN'S QUARTERS HOA, UH, REPLACE FOUR LARGE RETAINING WALLS WITH ENHANCED DRAINAGE AND INSTALL FOR HEAVY DUTY PARK BENCHES.
UM, THEY STATED THEIR MAINTENANCE WOULD BE A BIANNUAL INSPECTION PERFORMED BY THE INSTALLER AND MAKE REPAIRS AS NECESSARY.
UM, THIS IS, UH, LOCATED IN SOUTH GARLAND, UM, AND IT'S A SORT OF, UH, UH, CONTAINED, UH, HOA, UM, UH, RIGHT OFF OF MARINA DRIVE THE, UM, APPLICATION COMMENTS FROM APRIL VITALITY.
THIS WOULD BE AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT, OR WE'LL SAY COMMON AREA AND RECREATION IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEW CONSTRUCTION ARE CONSIDERED ELIGIBLE REPAIRS OR MAINTENANCE TO EXISTING STRUCTURES ARE NOT ELIGIBLE, UH, ON SEPTEMBER 28TH.
UM, WITH, UM, FROM THE DIRECTION FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, I REQUESTED EXACT LOCATIONS OF WHERE THE RETAINING WALLS WOULD BE.
UM, SINCE, UH, WE HAD ALSO SENT THAT AS PART OF THE LETTER OF INTENT FEEDBACK, UM, AND TO DATE, I HAVE NOT GOTTEN THOSE LOCATIONS FROM THE APPLICANT THAT DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY DISQUALIFY THEM AND JUST, UM, WE DON'T HAVE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH INFO TO PROVIDE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS PART OF THIS PROCESS AS POSSIBLE.
UM, IT WOULD REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT AND ONE OTHER, ONE OTHER COMMENT THAT I DIDN'T PUT IN THE PACKET, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WINDJAMMER HOA, UM, WHICH WAS DENIED.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT WAS FALL 2020.
UM, IT, THE BASIC ISSUE, THERE WAS, THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE THAT THE RETAINING WALLS WOULD RESOLVE ANY OF THE DRAINAGE ISSUES.
UM, I BELIEVE YOU, YOU ASKED FOR A FUNCTIONALITY REPORT.
THE COMMITTEE DID FOR THAT ONE AND NONE WAS RECEIVED.
UM, THE SAME PERSON THAT APPLIED FOR WINDJAMMER IS THE SAME PERSON THAT'S APPLYING FOR CAPTAIN'S QUARTERS.
UM, SO, UH, THEY ALSO, BUT WINDJAMMER ALSO HAD SEVERAL OTHER REQUESTS, INCLUDING THINGS LIKE WHEEL STOPS.
SO, UM, I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL INFORMATION AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT KEVIN'S QUARTERS.
UH, SCOTT, WHAT DO WE DO WE HAVE, UH, UM, THE, UM, THE INFORMATION THAT ENGINEERING HAS REQUESTED, IS THERE A TIMELINE FOR THEM TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION? UM, I BELIEVE WHEN WE DOUBLE CHECK, UM, YES, THEY, WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THEIR LETTER OF INTENT, WHICH WAS, UM, WOULD HAVE BEEN IN JULY, UH, THEY WERE, WE REQUESTED THE PRIVATE PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.
THEY DIDN'T WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THEIR APPLICATIONS.
SO I REQUESTED IT AGAIN ON SEPTEMBER 28TH AND NO RESPONSE, UH, TO DATE.
SO, UM, IN ORDER TO PREPARE FOR THIS MEETING, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ENGINEERING HASN'T I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYTHING NOR HAS ENGINEERING HAD THE INFORMATION TO REVIEW IT FOR THEMSELVES.
SO THERE'S, THEY, THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO COMMENT ON.
AND SO WHERE DOES, WHAT, WHAT, WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE THIS APPLICATION? SCOTT SCATTERED THIS POINT? UM, I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UM, YOU COULD, IN THE PAST, UM, THE COMMITTEE HAS REQUESTED A FUNCTIONALITY REPORT.
YOU COULD TAKE THAT ROUTE, OR YOU COULD SIMPLY, UH, DENY THIS ONE WITH AN, I CAN PROVIDE THE INFORMATION ON WHY AND THEY CAN REAPPLY IN THE SPRING.
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AND YOU HAVE YOU HAVE WE REQUESTED THIS INFORMATION TWICE, RIGHT? YES, SIR.AND THE LAST, MOST RECENT IT WAS IN SEPTEMBER, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
WELL, I KNOW WHAT MY RECOMMENDATION IS.
NO, WHAT COUNCILMAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY.
UM, I DO SEE THAT PART OF THEIR, UM, THEIR REQUEST INVOLVES INSTALLING FOUR HEAVY DUTY PARK BENCHES.
IS THERE A PROBLEM THAT YOU FORESEE WITH THAT? NO.
SO ANOTHER OPTION MIGHT BE THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THE PARK BENCHES AND DENY THE REST OF THEIR REQUESTS RELATING TO THE RETAINING WALL AND LET THEM TRY AGAIN NEXT YEAR AND SEE IF THEY'RE MORE FORTHCOMING AS THE, IF IT'S THE SAME PERSON.
AND WE ASKED FOR A FUNCTIONALITY REPORT BEFORE, AND THEY JUST IGNORED US.
I'M NOT PARTICULARLY INCLINED TO, UH, TO EVEN GO THAT ROUTE.
SO I GUESS MY, MY THOUGHT IS TO, UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER PROBLEM ON OUR END TOO, TO LET THEM PUT IN THEIR PARK BENCHES AND DENY THE REST.
I WOULD, WOULD YOU LIKE A MOTION MAN, A CHAIR, OR, UM, SURE.
UM, WELL, I, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE TAKE THE ACTION THAT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED BY THE CHAIR.
AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE FILLING IN THE PREVIOUS INFORMATION CAUSE I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU THAT AND YOU PROVIDED IT.
AND AS WITH LAST NIGHT, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR ANALYTICAL APPROACH TO THESE THINGS THAT MAKES MY LIFE MUCH EASIER.
I'LL TRY TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, GOING FORWARD.
UH, SECOND ONE IS CRYSTAL LAKE ESTATES.
THIS IS ALSO IN SOUTH GARLAND, UH, INSTALL 164 LINEAR FEET OF RIPRAP RETAINING WALL ALONG THEIR EASTERN SHORELINE.
UM, THEY, THEY STATE THAT THEY'RE USING NIGHT EROSION AND THE CITY USES NIGHT EROSION ACTUALLY FOR A LOT OF THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS.
UM, THE, IT, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE ON HERE, BUT TOWARDS THE CENTER, UM, OF, OF THIS MAP ON THE EASTERN SHORELINE AND SPECIFICALLY WHERE THERE, UM, WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO INSTALL THAT THE, UM, COMMON AREA IMPROVEMENTS, UM, UM, HOW MANY ARE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ALLOWED? UM, JUST AS NEIGHBORHOOD PARK IMPROVEMENTS ARE, UM, W FOR THIS, WE WOULD PROBABLY OBTAIN A LICENSE AGREEMENT, UM, FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS MADE AND ENSURE THAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, NOT CLOSED OFF BY HOA MEMBERSHIP.
UM, AND, UM, THE THERE'S, IT'S LISTED HERE, SOME OF THE TECHNICAL STANDARDS THINGS, BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY THAT IT'S IN OUR PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO WE'D HAVE TO, UM, PROVIDE A LICENSE AGREEMENT AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, RETAIN THE RIGHT TO, UM, TO MAINTAIN THAT RIGHT OF WAY FOR, FOR OUR PURPOSES.
BUT, UM, WE'VE GRANTED PROJECTS LIKE THIS IN THE PAST, UM, ON THAT BASIS.
UM, AND THEY HAVE BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN VERY COMMUNICATIVE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS AND, AND, UM, AND ARE HAPPY TO PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU MAY REQUEST.
AND SCOTT, WHAT YOU SHARE IN CASE MY COLLEAGUES ARE, ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE TERM RIP RAP RETAINING WALL.
IT'S LIKE THE, THE CONCRETE ROCKS THAT ARE STACKED UP IN CAGED IN ESSENTIALLY.
AND THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THAT.
THERE'S ALSO LIKE A CONCRETE, UH, BAGS THAT YOU CAN PUT OUT AND THEN AS THEY ERODE IT, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE RIP RAP.
THAT'S USUALLY AT NIGHT EROSION USES.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE BASIS OF IT.
IT HELPS WITH DRAINAGE OF, OF, UH, OF IN THIS CASE, A SHORELINE QUESTIONS, NO QUESTION.
AND THIS SCOTT, I'M ASSUMING WITH THIS PARTICULAR USE THAT THERE'S NOT ANY QUESTION THAT THIS WOULD PERFORM THE FUNCTION OF EROSION CONTROL? UH, WE, WE BELIEVE IT WOULD.
WELL, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THIS.
UM, SO IF SOMEONE HAS A MOTION, I'LL TAKE IT.
UM, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM WILLIAMS, MOVE FORWARD, PULL OF THIS REQUEST FROM CRYSTAL LAKE ESTATES.
THE THIRD IS FALL CREEK ESTATES, HOA.
UM, THEY, THEY HAVE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS PLANNED HERE.
UH, SHADED PICNIC WITH TABLES AND BENCHES GATED PLAYGROUND CONTINGENCY, UM, IS, IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT.
AND THEY HAVE STATED THAT THIS IS THE FIRST
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OF THREE, UH, IMAGINED PHASES.THEY WOULD, UH, THEY WOULD PERFORM THEIR OWN SAFETY INSPECTIONS BASED ON THEY, THEY S THEY, THEY SAID THREE YEARS, OR AS ADVISED BY THE PLAYGROUND MANUFACTURER, WHICHEVER IS MORE FREQUENT.
SO THE GREEN SPACE, THE TREE SPACE HERE, UM, WE, THE CITY OF GARLAND OWNS THAT.
SO SIMILAR TO OTHER PROJECTS, WE WOULD, UM, GRANT A LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
UM, THE, UM, THE ONE THING WE DO THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER THIS SORT OF LIKE A PARK IMPROVEMENT.
ONE THING WE DO WITH THAT IS WE MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THEY CAN, THEY CAN ERECT A GATE FOR SAFETY PURPOSES, BUT THEY CANNOT LOCK THE GATE OR RESTRICT ACCESS BASED ON MEMBERSHIP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UH, THEY CAN ALSO INCLUDE, UM, UH, IT'S ALSO RECOMMENDED THEY INCLUDE SIGNAGE CAUSE THEY CAN KEEP PARK LIKE OURS, SAME FOR THE, FOR THE SAME PURPOSES.
UM, I DID MAKE A, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE THE, THE TIMELINE THERE THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR A LITTLE OVER $59,000, UH, BASED ON SOME OF THEIR PREVIOUS PROJECTS.
UH, WE HAVE THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND, EVERY FIVE YEARS TIMEFRAME.
I INCLUDED SOME OF THAT INFORMATION HERE.
SO THEIR ENTIRE REQUESTS WOULD BE ELIGIBLE, ALTHOUGH JUST ELIGIBLE.
UM, AND, UH, AS FEEDBACK TO THEM, I WOULD, IF THIS IS APPROVED, I WOULD ALSO ASK THEM TO INCLUDE A MAINTENANCE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THE TRASH BINS.
UM, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME PERMITTING THAT MAY BE REQUIRED.
AND, UM, UM, I MENTIONED THE LICENSE AGREEMENT EARLIER.
SO, UH, THIS IS THE FALL CREEK HOA APPLICATION.
AND THE, I SEE THAT FABRIC IS NOT APPROVED AND APPROVED ROOFING MATERIAL.
WAS THAT THEIR ORIGINAL INTENT? IT WAS, YES.
AND HAVE THEY REVISED THAT AND THE, WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT A GATE AROUND THE PLAYGROUND, AM I ASSUMING THAT MEANS A FENCE WITH A GATE? SORRY.
I MEANT TO PUT PINS WITH ONE GIANT GATE.
WE'D NO, I CAME IN THERE HANGING HERE.
COMMITTEE, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CONCERNS ABOUT THIS ONE, SCOTT, WOULD YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE ENGINEERING SECTION? IT SAYS I'M GETTING, I'M PICKING IT UP MID SENTENCE, UH, WHERE IT SAYS THE CITY OF GOLDEN WOULD NEED TO EXECUTE THE LICENSE AGREEMENT THROUGH ENGINEERING AND JUST TALKS ABOUT THE, THE AREA AT THE END OF THE HARVEST RUN CUL-DE-SAC IS OWNED BY THE CITY.
CAN YOU, WHAT IS, AND IT SAYS, WOULD NEED TO EXECUTE A LICENSE, LICENSE AGREEMENT THROUGH ENGINEERING.
AND I HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO APPENDIX D YET TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO CAN YOU JUST, JUST BRIEFLY IN LAYMAN'S TERM, I'M GOING TO GO UP THAT TO SURE.
SINCE THE, THE CITY OWNS IT, UM, WE CAN PROVIDE A LICENSE AGREEMENT OR A LICENSE FOR A DIFFERENT, UH, DIFFERENT USE WITHOUT GIVING UP OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN PURSUING, THEY COULD PUT, UM, THEY CAN PUT THIS PARK AND PLAYGROUND ON OUR PROPERTY, UM, BY USE OF THAT LICENSE AGREEMENT THAT GRANTS THEM TO DO SO.
AND IF THERE ARE ANY, DO WE HAVE ANY LIABILITY? UM, UM, IF THIS IS PLATE SINCE ITS OWN CITY PROPERTY WE HAVE IN LIABILITIES AS PEARSON INJURY, EQUIPMENT FAILURE, OR THIS KIND OF THING, DO WE HAVE ANY LIABILITY AT ALL? IF WE SIGN ONE OF THOSE, WHEN THESE UNDER THE LICENSE AGREEMENT MISSES MISS CITY ATTORNEY, IF WE OKAY.
MY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, ARE YOU ASKING IF THERE'S ANY LIABILITY, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO GET HURT? YES.
IF SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY GETS HURT, UH THERE'S UH, EQUIPMENT FAILURES AND ALL, SOME OF THEM I'M JUST SHOOTING AN EXAMPLE, THE SLIDE BREAKS.
AND CUT SOMEBODY SHOUT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
NO, THERE WOULD NOT BE LIABILITY IN THAT CASE BECAUSE IN ORDER TO ATTACH LIABILITY TO THE CITY, YOU WOULD BE A NEGLIGENCE CLAIM OR A PREMISE IS DEFECT.
AND IN BOTH OF THOSE CASES, UM, UM, THE CITY WOULD EITHER HAVE TO HAVE TO ACTIVELY BE INVOLVED.
UM, IN OTHER WORDS, OPERATING SOME TOURS, SORT OF A MOTOR DRIVEN EQUIPMENT OR A PREMISES DEFECT IN THAT, THAT WOULDN'T BE THE CASE IN THIS SITUATION WHERE WE'VE ISSUED A LICENSE FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO OPERATE.
UH, OR IF WE'RE, OR WE WERE BEING GIVEN THE LICENSE, AREN'T WE? YEAH, WE'RE PROVIDING, WE'RE PROVIDING LESS.
IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULD NOT EITHER WAY IT WOULDN'T FALL ON THE CITY UNDER THE, UNDER THAT SITUATION.
AND THE HOA IS FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR MAINTENANCE, CORRECT? YES.
AND ARE THERE ANY MAINTENANCE CONDITIONS OR
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OTHER THEY DO, DO THEY SET THE MAINTENANCE PROTOCOL FOR, FOR THIS, THE HOA HOA DOES? UM, THEY WOULD, UM, I'M NOT SURE THE, THEY WOULD, THEY'VE STATED THEY WOULD FOLLOW THE, THE MANUFACTURERS, UM, GUIDELINES FOR THE PLAYGROUND.UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD GET INTO.
TYPICALLY SPEAKING, HANG ON PRIVATE, BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY, ALTHOUGH TYPICALLY SPEAKING IN PRIVATE PLAYGROUNDS, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING, UM, UM, THAT THE CITY WOULD REGULATE AS LONG AS THEY'RE FOLLOWING MANUFACTURER GUIDELINES.
UM, UM, IF THERE WERE TO BE AN INCIDENT, UM, THERE WOULD BE A PRIVATE CAUSE OF ACTION BETWEEN THE PERSON THEY KNOW DON'T GET ME WRONG.
WE CAN ALWAYS BE SUED, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN A CAUSE OF ACTION WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL AGAINST THE CITY.
NO, WE SUE THE CITY IN THE CHURCH.
THAT'S A CHEERFUL ATTORNEY AND YOU COULD ALWAYS SAY WE CAN'T BE SAVED, BUT ANYBODY CAN SUE FOR ANYTHING.
WELL, COMMITTEE, I AM, I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THIS ONE MOVING FORWARD.
IF ONE OF YOU, UM, IF YOU BOTH AGREE AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE NEED A FORMAL MOTION, BUT, UM, IS THIS SOMETHING YOU WOULD BOTH BE COMFORTABLE WITH SEEING MOVE FORWARD? DONE? OKAY.
NEXT ONE IS THE PROVOST'S AT FIRE WHEEL SIDE.
IT'S LIKE SAYING THAT PROVOCATIVE FIRE WHEEL.
THEY HAVE, UM, A LOT OF, UH, LANE LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS PLANNED AS PART OF THEIRS.
UM, AS PART OF OUR LETTER OF INTENT, UM, FEEDBACK, I, I DID MENTION THIS IS, UH, UM, COCHO, UH, SENT THIS EMAIL, BUT, UH, THAT CITY COUNCIL, AS OF AUGUST 2ND, HAD VOTED THAT SOFTSCAPE IS NOW INELIGIBLE FOR THE PROGRAM.
UM, BUT THEY DID NOT, THEY CHOSE NOT TO ALTER THEIR, THEIR APPLICATION, UH, BASED ON THAT THEY DID NOT INCLUDE A MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR THE NEW, UM, VEGETATION.
UM, AND AS, AS I JUST STATED WITH SOFTSCAPE, UM, OR LIVE VEGETATION, NOT BEING AN ELIGIBLE PROGRAM EXPENDITURE, UM, USING THEIR ESTIMATE PROVIDED, UH, 56,000 OR ABOUT HALF OF THEIR APPLICATION WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE BASED ON THE CURRENT GUIDELINES.
UM, I ALSO WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE, THE FIVE-YEAR COMPLETION AND THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR A, A NEW $100,000 FIVE-YEAR CYCLE.
UM, AND THEN ENGINEERING HAD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT WHERE, YOU KNOW, PLACEMENT OF TREES AND, AND, UM, WHEN, WHERE THERE WAS, WHERE THOSE WOULD GO WITH RELATIVE TO PUBLIC UTILITIES.
UM, BUT THE MAIN QUESTION HERE, I THINK IS THE, IS THE LANDSCAPING WELL, SCOTT, SINCE WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE ANY KIND OF SOFT SCAPE OR LIVE VEGETATION, UM, AND YOU SAID THAT 56,850 OF THIS IS ELIGIBLE.
I'M ASSUMING THE BALANCE OF THAT IS ALL LANDSCAPE AND VEGETATION.
SO WHAT EXACTLY IS IN THE 56,000, I WAS TRYING TO READ THROUGH THIS AND FIGURE IT OUT, BUT RIGHT.
I SHOULD HAVE PROVIDED MORE DETAIL THERE.
UM, IT'S, IT'S MAINLY THE, THE ROD IRON FENCE AND SOME HARDSCAPING WAS INCLUDED.
IT'S A LOT OF HARDSCAPING ALONG THE SCREENING.
WELL, IT'S HARDSCAPING AND CON IN COMBINATION WITH SOFT SCAPING THAT WAS IN PRECLUDING THE APPLICATION, UH, BUT A GOOD PORTION OF IT WAS, UH, LIVE, LIVE VEGETATION.
SO IF WE ONLY APPROVED THE HARDSCAPING AND THESE ELIGIBLE THINGS, ARE THEY S WILL THEY STILL WANT ON THEIR OWN DOLLAR TO DO ALL THE OTHER STUFF? OR SHOULD WE, HAVE YOU ASKED THEM? UM, I HAVE ASKED THEM THEY, THEY CHOSE NOT TO ALTER THEIR APPLICATION.
SO IF I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY WOULD DO.
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, HAVE THEY, UH, DID THEY SAY ANY WHY THEY WANT TO NOT ALTER THEIR, UH, I KNOW THEY DIDN'T AND IT GIVES IT A ONE PUT MONEY IN IT.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE, IF YOU LIKE, THIS IS JUST A SUGGESTION, IT COULD BE THAT YOU APPROVE IT ON THE THINGS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE AND THEN WE JUST, THEY CAN ALWAYS DROP IT.
THEY CAN ALWAYS SAY, WELL, NEVERMIND, WE'RE CANCELING, OR WE WANT TO REDO THE WHOLE THING THAT THEY CAN ALWAYS DO THAT, THAT DOESN'T, UM, THEY CAN ALWAYS, UH, APPLICANTS CAN ALWAYS DROP OR CUT THINGS FROM SCOPE.
SO IF THEY DECIDE TO JUST ABANDON THE PROJECT AND TRY SOMETHING ELSE IN THE SPRING, THEY'RE THERE, THEY CAN DO THAT.
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OR COMMENTS? I HAVE NO BETTER JOB.THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE BOTTOM, THE BOTTOM LINE.
IT WOULD BE THE 56 PLUS, RIGHT? YES.
UH, I'M GOOD WITH, WITH THAT I'M CHAIR.
WE ARE GOOD WITH THE ELIGIBLE EXPENSES ON THIS.
NEXT UP, RAIN BOOTS, RAINBOW STATES.
UM, SO, UM, THEY HAD, UH, THEIR APPLICATION HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS IN IT.
UM, ALTHOUGH SOME OF THE DETAIL WAS MISSING, UM, THEY, THEY STATED OUR GOAL IS BEAUTIFICATION WITH MORE DOWN-HOME LOOK AND FEEL TO THE COMMUNITY.
IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF WHERE RAINBOW STATES IS.
IT'S, IT'S SORT OF AT THAT SPLIT OF BEING D UM, I, SINCE THIS IS ONE OF THOSE, UM, VOLUNTARY NEIGHBORHOOD, $10,000 PROJECTS, I JUST SUGGEST THAT MY, MY TEAM WORK WITH THEM ON MORE OF, ON THE, ON THE SPECIFICS AND GET THEM UP TO AS MUCH AS WE CAN GET FOR THEM UNDER THE 10,000.
AND, AND, UH, UM, WE KNOW WE, WE KNOW SOME OF THE THINGS THEY WANT BASED ON THEIR APPLICATION.
I THINK JUST WORKING OUT SOME OF THOSE DETAILS, WE WERE PLANNING ON WORKING WITH THEM IN THE FUTURE.
ANYWAY, THIS APPLICATION JUST SORT OF CODIFIES THAT.
SO I, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE EXCITED TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH THEM, SET ASIDE SOME, SOME FUNDING IN THE CIP, JUST FOR THEM.
AND COMMITTEE, JUST BACKGROUND ON THIS, UM, RAINBOW NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS A VERY, VERY LONG STANDING ASSOCIATION IN THE CITY.
IT'S, IT'S A VOLUNTARY ONE, NOT AN HOA, THE LONG, LONG TERM PRESIDENT EMMA CREIGHTON PASSED AWAY.
AND IN, IN THE INTERIM, THEY HAVE JUST ONLY RECENTLY, UM, ELECTED A NEW PRESIDENT WHO IS WORKING HER WAY THROUGH THESE KINDS OF APPLICATIONS FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER.
SO I THINK WHAT SCOTT JUST SUGGESTED IS A GOOD SUGGESTION JUST TO LET NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY WORK CLOSELY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, TO HELP THEM REACH THEIR BEAUTIFICATION GOALS WITHIN THE $10,000 LIMIT.
SO IF THAT'S SUITABLE, THAT'S NOT AS NAILED DOWN TO DETAIL AS WE OFTEN GET, BUT THIS IS KIND OF A UNIQUE SITUATION.
SO, UM, ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT? OKAY.
IF YOU REMEMBER, TOWN NORTH IS THE, UH, H WAY WE WORKED WITH THAT HAS THE METAL PANELS FIXED TO THE SCREENING WALL OVER IN WEST GARLAND.
UM, THEY, THEY BROUGHT THIS ONE FORWARD, UM, A LITTLE BIT LIKE A PROVENCE.
THEY, THEY HAVE SOME SOFT SCAPE IN THERE THAT THAT WOULD BE AN ELIGIBLE.
IT'S NOT NEARLY THE SAME PERCENTAGE OF THEIR $12,000 PROJECT COSTS.
UH, 11,748 WOULD STILL BE ELIGIBLE.
UM, MAINLY THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING FLOWER BEDS WITHIN THEIR HOA VILLAGE.
HEARTSCAPING THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE'S NO THERE'S NO GATE OR RESTRICTED ACCESS TO THEIR, TO WITHIN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO TH THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE, UH, AND ENTRY FEATURES AND COMMON AREA IMPROVEMENTS ARE TYPICALLY ELIGIBLE ANYWAY.
SO THAT'S THE TOWN NORTH HOA APPLICATION.
IS THIS THE ONE EAST, THE PLAIN ROAD ON BUCKINGHAM? YES.
THEY ALWAYS WORK AND FIX THAT PRETTY GOOD.
AND ENGINEERING HAD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT JUST, YOU KNOW, BE CAREFUL ABOUT UTILITIES AND STUFF, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE ALL THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF.
BUT, UM, UH, GENERALLY THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT.
I SEE A BUILDING INSPECTION SAID WOULD NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THE ENTRANCE WALL.
SO HAVE THEY BEEN, HAVE THEY BEEN GENERALLY RESPONSIVE? YES.
UM, I'VE WORKED WITH BARBARA LEBECK AND SHE'S YES.
SHE'S BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS MOVING FORWARD TO OTHER QUESTIONS.
ITEM THREE IS TO DISCUSS NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY, MATCHING GRANTS FOR SIDEWALKS AND TRAFFIC CALMING, UM, IS, OH, SCOTT, YOU'RE STILL GONNA BE UP.
AND COMMITTEE, JUST TO MAKE THIS CLEAR AND SCOTT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE.
I BELIEVE THAT WE USED TO, WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY MATCHING GRANTS, ALLOW NEIGHBORHOODS TO APPLY FOR GRANTS TO HELP PAY THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAUSE TO DO WITH COST
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SHARING ON THINGS LIKE SPEED HUMPS.UM, I THINK ALSO SIDEWALKS THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THEN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, 20 15, 20 15 TIME FLIES WHEN YOU'RE HAVING FUN.
UM, 20, 20, 15, I GUESS WE CHANGED THAT BECAUSE WE WERE, YOU KNOW, MOVING UP SOME OTHER THINGS.
BUT WHAT WE BASICALLY DID IS WE PULLED THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER THE POOR NEIGHBORHOODS WHO ARE, UH, REALLY CAN'T EVEN AFFORD THEIR PERCENTAGE FOR SIDEWALKS, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE MADE IT MUCH, MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE FOR MANY PEOPLE, NOT NECESSARILY FOR ALL.
UM, AND WITH SPEED HUMPS, WE BASICALLY TOOK AWAY NEIGHBORHOODS ABILITY, UM, WHO ARE NOT WELL-HEELED TO, TO GET A SPEED HUMP BECAUSE THEY CANNOT WITH THE PETITION PROCESS, GET PEOPLE TO SIGN THE PETITION AND SAY, YEAH, I'M GOING TO CHIP IN, YOU KNOW, $300 FOR IT.
SO THIS IS TO DISCUSS PERHAPS REVERSING WHAT WAS DONE IN 2015 AND PUTTING THOSE, UM, POSSIBILITIES, MAKING THAT ELIGIBLE FOR GRANTS AGAIN, THAT NEIGHBORHOODS CAN APPLY FOR.
UM, SO FOR SPEED HUMPS, UM, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
UM, THE, THE CURRENT, WELL, WE W WE COULD USE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY, BOND FUNDING TO PAY FOR THEM.
UM, AND ASSUMING THERE, THERE'S SORT OF, THERE'S A PREREQUISITE IN THAT THERE'S, UM, A STREET CLASSIFICATION.
SO IF IT MEETS A CERTAIN STREET CLASSIFICATION, I THINK IT'S, UH, A TYPE F STREET OR ABOVE IT.
YOU CAN'T HAVE A SPEED HUMP THERE, BUT, UM, IF IT DOESN'T MEET THAT, THEN, THEN YOU CAN, AND THEN THEY ARE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW A PROCESS.
I'M NOT PERFECTLY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING LIKE GET 80% SIGNATURES OR APPROVAL WITHIN A CERTAIN MILE RADIUS OF WHERE YOU WANT TO PUT IT, UM, THAT, THAT W THAT PROCESS WOULD STAY IN PLACE NO MATTER WHAT YOU WOULD DO AS FAR AS FUNDING WITH, WITH THE MATCHING GRANT.
UM, IT, ALTHOUGH I THINK IT'S, IT'S POSSIBLE, UH, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER THAT IF, IF THEY'RE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THAT ENTIRE PROCESS, MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, IT, IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE CITY COULD JUST PAY FOR THAT WE DON'T TRY TO TRY TO SHOEHORN IT INTO THE MATCHING GRANT PROCESS.
UM, BUT ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A VOLUNTARY NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S UNDER $10,000, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE AT NO COST TO THEM ANYWAY, UNDER THE CURRENT GUIDELINES.
SO IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT IF THEY CAN FOLLOW ALL OF THOSE PROCESSES ON THE SPEED HOMES, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IS THAT WE JUST, UM, ON THE FUNDING SIDE, IT JUST GETS TAKEN CARE OF, UM, THREE, THE GRANT FUNDING SURE.
THROUGH THE BOND FUNDING, THE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY BOND FUNDING, OKAY.
THAT'S ONE POSSIBILITY, OR WE CAN RESTORE IT THROUGH THE MATCHING GRANT.
BUT LIKE I SAID, IF IT'S, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THOSE THINGS COST, BUT IF IT'S UNDER $10,000, IT WOULD BE 100% FUNDED ANYWAY.
AND THE, AS FAR AS THE COST GOES, THE CONTRIBUTION FOR SPEED HUMPS IS $700.
AGAIN, I WOULD, I AGREE WITH WHAT SCOTT SAID IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY BEST TO WORK THAT THROUGH SOME OTHER PROCESS COULD BE THE FUNDING IS THERE, BUT, UM, IT'D BE A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO PULL IT OUT SEPARATE FROM THE MATCHING GRANT PROCESS AND JUST CONSIDER IT SEPARATELY.
I'M SURE IT HASN'T BEEN HAPPENING IS THE PROBLEM THERE.
ISN'T RIGHT NOW A WAY TO DO THAT.
UM, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, WE HAD TO HIT 80% APPROVAL.
THAT'S ON THE SAY LIKE BOBBY LANE FROM JUPITER TO WESTERN.
DO ALL THOSE PEOPLE ON BOBBY LANE HAVE TO SIGN IT UP TO 80%? I THINK IT'S 80% WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE OF THE SPEED HUMP.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE DISTRIBUTORS.
UM, I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON EAST SIDE OF THE STREET.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER STREET OR NO, NO, NO.
WITHIN A CERTAIN, CERTAIN DISTANCE ON THAT STREET WHERE THE SPEED HUMPS IS GOING TO BE INSTALLED.
DO WE KNOW HOW FAR? I DON'T KNOW THAT OFFHAND.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BEAT.
I JUST, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO PUT SPEED BUMPS AND AN END DATE.
YOU GOT TO PITCH IN A LITTLE BIT.
I AIN'T GOING TO PUT MONEY IN IT.
THEY THINK THAT THE CITY OUGHT TO DO IT, BUT EACH SPEED BUMP COST $700.
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THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONTRIBUTES.IF THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THERE'S A NEED A NEED, UM, DEMONSTRATED THEY, THEY HAVE TO PUT IN $700.
THAT'S REALLY MEANT TO COVER THE COST OF THE ASPHALT.
UM, THERE'S MORE LABOR COSTS AND OTHER COSTS INVOLVED, BUT, UM, THIS WAS MORE OR LESS A WAY TO GET THE NEIGHBORS, TO, YOU KNOW, PUT SOME MONEY INTO THE DEAL BASICALLY, AND HAVE SOME OWNERSHIP IN THE SPEED HUMP.
I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE THAN THAT.
WAS IT SEVEN 50 RECENTLY? I, BUT MAYBE IT'S STILL 700.
UM, IT'S THE 80% OF PEOPLE IN THE SURVEY AREA IN THIS.
IT'S NOT TELLING ME WHERE THE SURVEY AREA IS, BUT IT'S, I THINK IT'S GENERALLY THE BLOCK.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY RECENTLY WE'RE NEAR SOUTH WALL, HIGH SCHOOL AND IT'S A BLOCK FOLKS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY IMPACTED WOW.
SO IT'S A BLOCK, NOT YOUR NEIGHBORS, TWO BLOCKS.
IT'S ABOUT, UM, SO IF WE, WHAT OPTION, OPTION OPTION A NOW SHOULDN'T BE.
SO FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE, WHAT OPTION WOULD YOU RECOMMEND? WHAT OPTION DO YOU RECKON? WELL, ALL I WAS WHILE I WAS MEANING TO SAY IS IF, IF THEY APPLIED FOR IT AS A NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN, AND THEY'RE A VOLUNTARY ASSOCIATION, THEN IT WOULD BE COVERED 100%.
ANYWAY, UH, UNDER THE CURRENT MATCHING GRANT GUIDELINES, UM, NOW 700 WOULDN'T COME INTO PLAY.
NO IT WOULDN'T, BUT IT HASN'T SINCE 2015, THIS HASN'T BEEN A COVERED WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO WE HAVE NOT ALLOWED PEOPLE TO FUND THEIR STREET HOMES THROUGH THIS PROGRAM.
THAT'S WHY THIS ISSUE IS BEFORE US.
AND NOT EVERY, NOT EVERY STREET THAT BELIEVES THEY NEED A STREET IS PART OF A VOLUNTARY ASSOCIATION EITHER.
SO I GUESS WHAT I WAS, WHEN I SAY IT'S SORT OF OPTION A, UM, PUT IT BACK IN THE MATCHING GRANT AND THEY FOLLOW THAT PROCESS WHILE ALSO HAVING TO FOLLOW THE SURVEY PROCESS AND, AND PUT THOSE THINGS TOGETHER AND THEY WOULD GET 100% COVERED OR PERHAPS ANOTHER OPTION IS THAT THEY, UM, THEY STILL FOLLOW THE SURVEY PROCESS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S IN QUESTION RIGHT NOW.
THEY STILL FOLLOW THE SURVEY PROCESS AND THEM TURNING THAT IN THE CITY CAN THEN MAYBE, MAYBE THERE'S SOME SORT OF REVIEW PROCESS THAT GOES ON TOP OF THAT, BUT THEN IT JUST GETS FUNDED OUT OF, OUT OF MY FUNDING.
ANYWAY, HAS IT BEEN ANY SET INEXPERIENCED ON, HAVE, HAVE, HAS YOUR OFFICE GOTTEN INQUIRIES FROM NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS? ASSOCIATIONS? YES.
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? THEY, IN OUR EXPERIENCE, THE, THE, UM, THE PROCESS OF, OF GETTING THE SIGNATURES IS, WELL, IT'S HARD TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THEY SEE THAT THERE'S A $700 AMOUNT AND THEY GIVE UP, OR IF IT'S A, I'M SURE THAT IS HAPPENING, THEY'RE SORT OF SELF, SELF SELECTING THAT WAY.
BUT OTHER TIMES IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS OF DOING THE SURVEY IS ENOUGH TO, FOR THEM NOT TO PURSUE IT.
UM, I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE, BUT YES, WE GET INQUIRIES.
I WOULD SAY THREE TO FOUR TIMES A YEAR FROM DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS ABOUT, ABOUT SPEED HOMES.
BECAUSE THERE'S YOUR POINT ABOUT THIS SURVEY SIGNATURES? NO ONE SSI YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT IN THE CLIMATE.
PEOPLE WERE FIRST THING, THE, THE VOLUNTEER NEIGHBORS TO SOLICIT THE SIGNATURES.
AND THEN PEOPLE SIGNING A PIECE OF PAPER AND NOT KNOWING WHERE THE PIECE OF PAPER IS, CAN END UP WITH THEIR PEOPLE ARE BECOMING VERY, VERY, VERY SENSITIVE TO SUN IS SOMETHING THAT THEY SEE IT BOAT THAT GOES TO THE GOVERNMENT.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THERE WAS ALL IN ONE BIG, ONE BIG GENERATION.
SO THAT, BUT ALSO EVEN, EVEN IF WE, WHICHEVER WAY WE GO, UM, THERE WAS STILL HAD TO BE A DETERMINATION.
I MEAN, TRAFFICKING WOULD STILL HAVE TO GET INVOLVED, UH, TRANSPORTATION TO GET SOMEBODY TO ASK FOR FOOD AND SPEED HUMPS ON THAT STREET.
THAT NECESSARILY TO ME, EVEN THOUGH THIS PROGRAM DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY AUTOMATICALLY GET SPEED.
THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME WORK TO JUMP IN HERE, BUT I KNOW THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME WORK THROUGH TRANSPORTATION AND STREETS.
IT JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO SPEED HUMPS,
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I DON'T, YOU KNOW, FROM WORD OF MOUTH THAT MEAN I GET SPEED HUMPS.THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THERE.
THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH LITTLE PROCESS.
AND THEY, UM, BRIAN LOOKS UP, IT'S A 500 FOOT DISTANCE FROM THE SPEED HUMP, UNLESS THE STREET CONTINUES INTO THE NEXT BLOCK, THEN YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE THE STREET, THE SURVEY DOWN THE STREET, THERE'S GENERALLY THREE REQUIREMENTS.
ONE WHEREVER, WHEREVER THE SPEED HUMP IS PLACE THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO IT, HAVE TO AGREE.
THE SECOND IS IT'S WITHIN 500 FEET.
UM, WELL, IT'S, IT'S THE ENTIRE BLOCK OR WITHIN 500 FEET.
MEANING IF IT'S THAT THEY'RE BLOCK AND 500 FEET GOES INTO THE NEXT BLOCK, THEN IT'S ALSO THAT, THAT BLOCK.
AND SO THAT'S THE, THE THIRD REQUIREMENT AND IT'S, IT'S INTENTIONALLY A PRETTY ONEROUS PROCESS SO THAT, UM, YOU GOT TO CREATE NEIGHBORHOOD BUY-IN AND THAT WE DON'T JUST GO BUILD A WHOLE BUNCH OF SPEED HUMPS OUT WHERE THEY DON'T NEED TO BE.
SO ONCE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED, TRANSPORTATION DOES TRAFFIC STUDIES TO TEST THE SPEEDS.
AND, UM, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE AROUND THE SPEED HUMP AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY ONEROUS PROCESS, BUT IT'S ONLY SEVEN FIFTY SEVEN HUNDRED, SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY GET IN SIGNATURES.
IF ONE GUY WANTS TO PAY 750, AND I BET YOU, HE CAN'T GET ALL OF THOSE SIGNATURES.
MY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE BY AND LARGE, THEY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ON THE BLOCK THAT HAS 700 BUCKS TO PUT UP FOR THIS.
SO THEY, THE STOPPING POINT FOR MY NEIGHBORHOODS AND THIS ISN'T TRUE CITYWIDE, BUT IT IS, IT IS TRUE IN MY NEIGHBORHOODS W WHICH ARE DEMOGRAPHICALLY MORE CHALLENGED.
UM, IT IS THE DOLLARS CAUSE SIGNING.
THAT MEANS I AGREE TO CHIP IN TO PAY FOR THIS, AND THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY.
SO THE, THE FUNDING, ALL THE OTHER PROCESSES NEED TO STAY IN PLACE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE SOME STREETS NOT QUALIFIED BECAUSE, UM, FIRETRUCKS AND AMBULANCES NEED TO BLAST DOWN THEM REALLY FAST AND THERE DOES NOT QUALIFY.
SO THERE ARE ONLY SOME STREETS, RESIDENTIAL STREETS THAT WOULD EVEN BE APPROVED FOR A STREET HUMP THROUGH OUR PROCESS.
BUT, UM, THE, THE STOPPING POINT AND WHAT I KEEP BUMPING INTO IS I HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE JUST DESPERATE AND THEY'VE GOT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, JUST SPEEDING THROUGH, CRASHING INTO CARS ON EITHER SIDE.
UM, AND THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO EVEN DO THIS PROCESS.
SO I'M LOOKING FOR A SANE FUNDING PROCESS.
AND SINCE WE USED TO DO IT THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY, UM, I JUST THOUGHT MAYBE WE SHOULD UNWIND AND GO BACK TO THE WAY WE DID IT BEFORE, BUT SCOTT, UM, I'M HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING YOUR, YOUR OPTION B WE DON'T JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROCESS SET UP RIGHT NOW.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO SET UP A SEPARATE AVENUE FOR THAT.
WELL, I THINK THE TRANSPORTATION PROCESS, THE SURVEY AREA THAT WOULD ALL REMAIN THE SAME.
UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST, I, AND I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SURVEY THING SAYS, BUT IF IT SAYS THAT YOU NEED TO CHIP IN, AND WHAT I'M SUGGESTING WITH OPTION B IS THAT IT WOULDN'T SAY THAT ANY LONGER THAT THE COST OF IT WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF BY THE CITY.
UM, SO THEY TURN IN THEIR, THEIR SURVEY, UM, WITH ALL THE SIGNATURES AND THEY'VE DONE ALL THAT WORK.
THEN THE PAYMENT FOR IT IS HANDLED INTERNALLY.
WE WOULD BE INSTALLING IT ANYWAY, THAT WOULD BE SORT OF ONE PUTTING IT MONEY IN ONE POCKET AND PUT IT IN THE OTHER.
UM, SO I AM NOT EXACTLY SURE OF THAT WORK, BUT IT'D BE, IT'D BE VERY SIMPLE, I THINK, TO, TO SET UP, UM, INTERNALLY HOW, UM, HOW TO PAY FOR THAT $700 OR, OR CHARGING INTO IT IN A CALENDAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, BUT THE MAIN THOROUGHFARES, LIKE WESTERN LAWLER, THOSE ARE, YOU CAME, YOU DON'T NAME THE STREET TYPES, BUT LIKELY NOT, BUT THOSE ARE MAIN THOROUGHFARES.
I'M WONDERING, GIVEN THE NUMBER OF CALLS I GET EVERY WEEK FROM PEOPLE WHO WANT STRAIGHT ON, I'M JUST WONDERING HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD BE BLOWING OUT THE DOOR IF THIS WAS OPEN TO THE WHOLE CITY, UM, AND SAY FREE STRAIGHT HOMES, JUST GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF, UM, MAKING IT MORE OF A SIMPLE PROCESS LIKE THAT WOULD ALMOST BE OPENING A PANDORA'S BOX.
WELL, I THINK AGAIN, THE BIG HURDLE IS GOING TO BE THE EXISTING PROCESS TO QUALIFY FOR A SPEED HUMP.
THAT'S GOING TO WEED MOST OF THE PEOPLE OUT NOW, I THINK WHAT SCOTT'S, IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, SCOTT,
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BASICALLY THEY GO THROUGH THAT SAME PROCESS.BUT ON THE APPLICATION FORM, WE PUT A BOX WHERE YOU SAY, CHECK HERE, IF YOU NEED HELP WITH COMING UP WITH THE $700 TO ACTUALLY PAY FOR THE SPEED HUMP.
AND THEN SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT BUILDING A NEW PROCESS.
IT'S JUST USING THE EXISTING PROCESS.
AND THEN WE SORT OF QUALIFY THEM FOR HELP TO PAY FOR IT.
IF THEY QUALIFY FOR THE SPEED HUMP AFTER ALL THE, AFTER ALL THAT WORK, WHO WOULD NOT, IF THERE'S A CHECK BOX TO SAY, DO YOU WANT TO PAY THIS? OR DO YOU WANT THE CITY TO PAY THIS? WHAT IS THE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A FEW WAYS YOU COULD DO THAT.
ONE IS OKAY, IS THE STREET IN A LOW-INCOME CDBG CENSUS TRACT? THAT'S WE USE THAT FOR CRITERIA FOR OTHER STUFF.
SO YOU QUALIFY BECAUSE YOU'RE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S LOW TO MODERATE INCOME, UH, THAT COULD BE AN EASY WAY TO QUALIFY.
UM, THEY COULD SUBMIT, THIS WOULD BE A LOT MORE ONEROUS FOR THEM, BUT SUBMIT KIND OF INCOME VERIFICATION FOR THE AREA.
THERE'S, THERE'S, THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT.
IT JUST, ARE YOU IN A CENSUS, A CDBG CENSUS TRACT.
AND IF YOU ARE THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU QUALIFY FOR THE, FOR THE ASSISTANCE, WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT WITH SIDEWALKS AND WE COULDN'T, WE COULDN'T, WE COULDN'T DO, WE COULDN'T MAKE IT A, UM, EIGHT LEVEL THING LIKE WE DO AT SIDEWALKS WITH SENIORS AND DISABLED AND CDBG AND HOMEOWNER EXEMPTION, HOMESTEAD, EXEMPTION, UM, BUT, UH, JUST, UH, A BLACK AND WHITE.
IF IT'S A AREA, THEN THEY ARE NOT CHARGED FOR STRAIGHT HOMES.
IF THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, THAT WOULD SEEM FAIRLY CLEAN, EASY TO IMPLEMENT.
IF WE'RE GOING TO MODIFY, GOING BACK TO THE CITY, TAKING, TAKING CARE OF THEIR 700, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG CHANGE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY? I'D LIKE TO SEE US GO ALL OR NONE.
I WANT TO SEE TWO BOXES ON THAT TO SAY, OH, DO YOU WANT IT FREE OR CHECK? IF YOU CAN.
AND THEN YOU SUBMIT, YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT PROOF OF INCOME AND ALL OF THAT.
I THINK THAT'S TRUE ONLY AS FOR NOT ONLY AFRICANS, BUT FOR SCOTT CHIEF OF STAFF THAT THAT'S THANK YOU, KEVIN, GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT.
I DON'T, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S A LIMITED NUMBER.
THERE'LL BE A LIMITED NUMBER OF DOLLARS ANYWAY.
SO I THINK WE EITHER ALL IN OR NANNY AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE GOT TO STOP PUTTING BOXES AND CONDITIONS THAT THAT'S, I THINK THAT'LL MAKE THE PROCESS TOO ONEROUS.
I'M GOOD WITH GOING STRAIGHT WITH, AND THEN THAT SCOTT AND HIS TEAM MANAGE THAT, YOU KNOW, SO MATT, IF WE DO IT FOR SIX MONTHS, HE COMES BACK AND GIVES US THIS FEEDBACK AND SAY, IT IT'S THE SAME WORK IN, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.
BUT MY BOTTOM LINE IS I LIKE TO, FOR US TO BE ALEX, CISCO, ALL IN ON WITHOUT ALL OF THE, SO NOT EVEN CDBG, WHICH IS A VERY, VERY SPECIFIED AREA.
SO YOU DON'T WANT THE CDBG TO HAVE A, A CATEGORY OF ITS OWN LIKE WE DO WITH SIDEWALKS.
I'M, I'M JUST FEELING THE TEMPERATURE.
THE MORE BOXES WE START DROPPING INTO, IF WE WANT TO TEST THIS AND SEE HOW IT GOES, AND THEN COME BACK, WE VISITED IT, SAY I'M JUST SELLING EXCEPT ACCEPTED, SAY SIX MONTHS OR 10 MONTHS THEY OKAY.
IF IT'S NOT WORKING OR NO, BUT YOU'VE HAD PEOPLE WHO WERE FINE, BUT THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO DO IT.
THEN I THINK WE CAN DO MODIFICATIONS, BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT IF WE GOT TO CHANGE IT, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE ROLL UP BIG CLEAN, RATHER THAN HAVING A BUNCH OF STUFF.
AND THEN MADAM CHAIR, IF WE WANT TO GO CDBG OR LOOK AT THAT PIECE DOWN THE ROAD.
I WOULD RATHER GO THE OTHER WAY, BECAUSE IF YOU, IF YOU SAY IT'S OPEN TO EVERYBODY AND THEN YOU TAKE IT BACK FROM THEM, THAT MAKES THEM MAD.
IF YOU START, IT'S NOT THAT YOU CAN'T, IT'S LIKE TAKING A BREAK THE BOTTLE FROM THE BABY, BABY, GET SMACKED.
SO, BUT LIKE I SAID, SO I'M SAYING IF WE START WITH THE CDBG AND THEN WE SEE HOW IT GOES, WE COULD ENLARGE IT.
BUT I THINK IF WE START WITH, IT'S OPEN TO EVERYBODY ALL OVER THE CITY, AND THEN WE SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, THAT'S GOING A LITTLE CRAZY.
WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE IT BACK IN AND SAY ONLY CDBG AREAS.
UM, I'M CONCERNED, RIGHT? I MEAN, I'M GOOD EITHER WAY, BUT WHICHEVER WAY WE GO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHEN WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT 700, YOU CAN DO IT AND THEN DO YOU WANT TO PAY
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THAT? BUT NOW I'M GOOD.IF YOU W IF YOU WANT TO START SMALL AND THEN GO UP, I MEAN, GOT IT EITHER WAY, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT A LOT OF BOXES TO CHECK AND A BUNCH OF WORK IN THE STAFF OR FOR THEM.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
NO, SCOTT DOES LOOK LIKE HE HAS A LOT OF TIME ON HIS HANDS SINCE HE'S GETTING ALL THESE KUDOS.
SO MAYBE WE SHOULD FILL UP HIS SCHEDULE.
UM, COUNCILMAN VERA, DID YOU HAVE A, I AGREE WITH YOU'RE SAYING, OKAY, SO SMALL.
IS THAT GOING TO PRETEND BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT LIKE COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS SAYING, OR MAYOR PRO TEM, I'M SORRY.
IT'S LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, AND WHAT HE'S SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE, WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE MAD AT US IF WE DO ALL AT ONCE.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD GO SHORT, SMALL, AND THEN WE CAN OPEN IT UP.
I'M NOT HEARING COMPLAINTS FROM NORTH GARLAND AND FROM HR WAYS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO HAVE STREET HUMPS, THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THEY GET THERE THREE TIMES.
SO IT'S THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T HAVE THE MONEY AND IT'S ELDERLY NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THAT.
I AM INITIALLY MORE CONCERNED WITH THE ONES THAT I THINK ARE IN FINANCIAL DISTRESS THAN I AM SAYING CITYWIDE.
SO, UM, HAVE YOU BEEN EVEN ABUSED? YOU PAY SEVEN 50.
SOMEBODY WANTS TO PAY SEVEN 50 THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN THAT EVERYBODY'S GOT TO PITCH IN SO MUCH, BUT THAT CAN ALL BE CHANGED.
THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PAY 7 51 GUY, YOU KNOW, IN THE STREET, WELL, I THINK ALL OF THE OTHERS SHOULDN'T BE WHEN THEY SIGNED THE PAPER, THEY SHOULDN'T BE LIABLE FOR IT.
IN CASE THERE'S GOT RENEGES OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M DRIVING AT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO HELP NEIGHBORHOODS.
YOU KNOW, I'M ONE OF THEM, WHEN I MOVED TO MY DISTRICT, I GOT SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU LIVED IN THERE HELPING THEM.
I GET A COUPLE OF FINAL THOUGHTS.
THE, UH, ONE IS THAT I THINK I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THE CENSUS TRACT, CDBG CENSUS TRACKS, AND THEN LET YOU ALL LOOK AT IT AS WELL.
SO MAYBE WE COME BACK ON THIS SIDE AND BRING YOU THE MAPS.
CAUSE THERE, THERE MAY BE AREAS THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT HAVE REQUESTED SPEED BUMPS THAT MAYBE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN THERE.
AND SO LET'S, LET'S ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE MAP TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS WHAT WE'RE THINKING IN OUR HEAD RIGHT NOW.
UM, NOW THAT WILL, THE MAP WILL CHANGE PROBABLY NEXT YEAR, BASED OFF OF THE 20, 20 CENSUS DATA.
THEY HAVEN'T, THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET, BUT IT WILL SOON.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO MENTION IS THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE MOBILITY COMMITTEE IS LOOKING AT SPEED HUMPS RIGHT NOW FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, NOT A FUNDING MODEL, THE FUNDING SIDE OF IT, BUT, UM, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE CHANGING WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, HOW THEY LAY OUT, UM, WHERE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
SO I THOUGHT I'D JUST MENTIONED THAT THESE, IF WE CAN RUN THESE TWO IN PARALLEL AND KIND OF COORDINATE A LITTLE BIT THERE, IT MIGHT BE WORTH OUR WHILE.
SO, UM, BUT WE, WE CAN COME BACK WITH THE MAPS AND LET YOU ALL LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE GOOD TO MOVE AHEAD IF THAT SOUNDS OKAY.
AND, UM, I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE CURRENT CDBG MAP FOR MY DISTRICT, BUT CERTAINLY NOT FOR THE CITY AT LARGE.
SO, AND A GREAT AMOUNT OF MY DISTRICT IS ACTUALLY IN THERE AND A GREAT AMOUNT OF DISTRICT FIVE.
AND I THINK DISTRICT SIX AND PORTIONS OF DISTRICT FOUR.
I'M GOOD FOR ANOTHER THING THAT, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BRING IT BACK, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE AFTER WE CONSIDER IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE STREET PLANS, LONG, SHORT TERMS, EVEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE MAPS, YOU, YOU DON'T WANT TO DROP SPEED HUMPS ON, ON THE STREET.
IF, IF STEVE, STEVE HAS IT IN THIS PACKAGE, WE'RE GOING TO GO IN AND REDO THE STREETS.
YOU KNOW, IT GOES DOWN BOTH ABOVE GROUND AND ON THE GROUND WHERE YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PUT A SPEED UP THERE.
SO THERE, THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE, UH, LOOKED AT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT IS PART OF THEIR PROCESS AS PART OF THE PROCESSES THAT, UH, I BELIEVE ONE OR NO, TWO OR THREE SPEED BUMPS ON MARK CAS.
I THINK THAT THAT WAS DONE BY THE CITY.
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WE WERE HAVING RACIST ON MARQUEZ FROM CHILO TO JUPITER AND THEY PUT THOSE PIZZA BONE-ON-BONE THERE.THERE ARE SOME MAIN STREETS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO THAT.
AND THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES LIKE ON THAT STREET AND OTHERS THAT THE CITY INITIATES IT AND, YOU KNOW, IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THAT EYES AND EARS OF OUR RESIDENTS HELP GUIDE OTHERWISE.
THAT'S WHAT WE RELY ON BETWEEN, ON LAWLER BETWEEN JUPITER TO YALE AND YALE TO PLANO ROAD AS WIDE OPEN.
AND THEY HAVE RACES OVER THERE.
AND THEN ON THE CORNERS OF YALE AND LAWLER, THEY DO THE, THEIR LITTLE SPINS THEM, YOU KNOW, AVENUE H BY CENTRAL PARK HAD THE SAME THING.
AND WE, WE PUT IN SPEED HUMPS THERE BECAUSE IT WAS A TOTAL RACETRACK.
UM, DID WE HAVE OTHER COMMENTS I WANTED TO ASK SCOTT, IF WE, IF WE LOOK AT, UM, TAKING YOUR OPTION B AND MAKING THIS A SEPARATE COMPLETELY ASIDE FROM REGULAR NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY GRANTS, UM, WOULD THIS HAVE A, A PROGRAM NAME? WOULD THIS BE STREET CALMING? I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA, IF WE, IF WE CARRY THROUGH WITH THIS AND WE COME BACK AND WE MAKE A DECISION, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF IDENTIFYING FACTOR AND STREET CALMING IS, IS THE PHRASE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO USE RATHER THAN SPEED HUMPS, BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, SPEED CALMING, UM, THINGS THAT ARE INTERESTING, UM, THAT ARE OUT THERE.
AND SOME OF THEM ARE, UM, THERE ARE REMOVABLE SPEED HUMPS, WHICH ARE AN INTERESTING THING.
THERE ARE ACTUAL STRIPING THAT MAKES PEOPLE HAVE THIS SENSATION OF SPEED THERE'S SIGNAGE THERE'S.
SO HAVING, HAVING A PROGRAM UMBRELLA, MAYBE YOU CAN THINK UP A, A KICKY NAME FOR US AND BRING IT BACK TO US NEXT TIME WHEN I WILL HAVE A PAUL LEWD KEY COME NEXT TIME AS WELL.
AND YOU GUYS CAN PROBABLY TALK OFFLINE ABOUT SOME OF THOSE OPTIONS TOO.
I HAVE SPENT MANY LONG HOURS WITH PAUL LUKEY TALKING ABOUT SPEED, CALMING OPTIONS.
UH, COMMITTEE, ARE WE, ARE WE GOOD WITH HAVING THIS, UM, SPINNING THIS BACK, BRINGING IT BACK AND GET HEARING, GET LOOKING AT THE MAPS, HEARING WHAT, UM, BRAINSTORMS THAT SCOTT COMES UP WITH IN THE INTERIM.
AND, UH, AND THEN SEE IF, IF BRIAN AND JUDD COME UP WITH ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, SHOOT THEM DOWN, MODIFY THEM, WHATEVER THAT WORK.
SO LAST BUT NOT LEAST ITEM FOUR, DISCUSS THE REGULATION OF FOOD TRUCKS AND TRAILERS.
MADAM CHAIR, COUNCIL, UH, RICK BARKER DIRECTOR OF CODE COMPLIANCE.
UH, AS YOU RECALL, UH, THE TASK WE WERE GIVEN AT THE LAST MEETING WAS TO COME BACK WITH A POSSIBLE MATRIX OF A CURRENT CITY ORDINANCES AROUND OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES.
UH, SO WE'VE DONE THAT FOR YOU TONIGHT, AND, UH, I DO HAVE AN ACTUAL HARD COPY FOR YOU, UH, IF THAT MIGHT HELP YOU SEE THAT BETTER.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, BASICALLY, UH, THE, THE MATRIX INCLUDES, UH, JUST SOME COMMON REGULATION VARIABLES, UH, THAT WE SAW ACROSS THE CITY ORDINANCES THAT WERE REVIEWED.
AND THEN, UM, THOSE ARE AT THE TOP HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE.
UH, THERE'S ABOUT 12, UH, COMMON REGULATION VARIABLES THAT WE POINTED OUT THAT WE THOUGHT WERE, WERE, UH, VERY PERTINENT TO THIS TOP SITUATION.
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AND THEN ALSO, UH, IN YELLOW OR PRETTY MUCH THE SUGGESTED ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS THAT WE AT GARLAND MIGHT WANT TO INCORPORATE.AND I KNOW THAT'S YOUR DECISION.
UH, IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION AT THIS POINT, IF WE WANT TO GO THIS ROUTE, UM, I'VE ALSO INCLUDED HERE, UM, OUR CITY DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, UH, WHICH WE CURRENTLY HAVE SOME REGULATIONS THAT ARE PERFORMED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT DURING THEIR PERMITTING PROCESS.
SO I'VE INCLUDED THOSE AS WELL, JUST TO GIVE US A COMPARISON OF WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE MIGHT WANT TO GO.
UM, IF YOU GO ACROSS THE TOP OF THE MATRIX, UH, WE, WE LOOKED AT HEALTH PERMITS, UH, ADDITIONAL PERMITS, UH, ACCESSORY LAND USE, UH, RESTROOMS AND PRIMARY BUILDINGS DISTANCES THAT, THAT, UM, THESE, UH, MOBILE FOOD UNITS, UH, WOULD BE, UH, LIMITED TO BE WITHIN, UH, BY FEET, UH, CONSENT OF THE OWNERS AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, POSSIBLE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE ALLOWED TO BE ON, UH, ON THESE PROPERTIES AS AN ACCESSORY USE, UH, THE ACCESSORIES THAT ARE ALLOWED LIKE TABLES, CHAIRS, LIGHTS, UM, SIGNAGE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UH, THE HOURS OF OPERATION, UM, A LOT OF THE CITIES DO LIMIT THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR MOBILE FOOD UNITS, UH, AT A, AT, AT SOMEONE'S PROPERTY, UH, A, UH, UH, COMISARY, UH, COMMISSARY TOP SITUATION, UH, REQUIREMENT THAT THEY, UH, EACH DAY GO BACK TO THEIR, TO THEIR GROUND ZERO, UH, AND UNLOAD, CLEAN SANITIZE, UH, RESTOCK, UH, WHATEVER IS A REQUIREMENT.
ALSO ZONING DISTRICTS, UH, MOST CITIES DO REQUIRE, UH, UH, AND ALLOW THESE IN, IN, IN NON-RESIDENTIAL AREAS PRIMARILY, UH, UH, THE, UH, THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, UH, UH, MAKE SURE THEY ARE, UH, UH, MOBILE, UH, SELF-CONTAINED UNIT, AND THEN ALSO PARKING GUIDELINES.
UM, MOST OF THE PARKING GUIDELINES THAT WE SAW ACROSS THE BOARD AND RELATED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, FIRE, FIRE LANES, UH, PARKING SPACES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UH, AND THEN, UH, AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, UH, DOWN AT THE CITY OF FORT WORTH IS IF YOU SEE A HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, UH, THEY WERE ABOUT THE ONLY CITY THAT REALLY SPECIFIED, UH, BASICALLY BEING ON AN IMPROVED SURFACE.
UM, SO THAT THAT'S, I THOUGHT WAS AN INTERESTING, UM, UH, REGULATION THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME, UH, TO ME, YOU DON'T WANT FOOD TRUCKS AND FOOD TRAILERS OUT THERE RUNNING UP THE GROUNDS AND CAUSING, CAUSING A MESS.
BUT, UH, BUT ANYWAY, UM, I KNOW DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM WILLIAMS HAD HAD REQUESTED, UH, FROM THE LAST MEETING THAT WE RANKED THESE BASICALLY, UM, WE DIDN'T RANK THEM, BUT WE JUST BASICALLY TOOK, TOOK A HYBRID OF EACH ONE AND KIND OF GAVE A SUGGESTION OF AN AREA THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO INCORPORATE, UH, AS A REGULATION.
UH, BUT IF I WERE TO RANK ALL THESE CITIES, THAT THE NUMBER ONE, UH, ORDINANCE THAT I FELT LIKE, UM, IT WAS VERY, UH, WELL-WRITTEN, UM, IT WAS VERY FAIR, UH, AND, AND VERY, UH, SPECIFIC WAS THE CITY OF FORT WORTH, UH, VERY WELL-WRITTEN, UH, DOCUMENT, UH, AND, AND COVERED A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT I BELIEVE WE ARE.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UH, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT YOU WANT TO GO.
UM, UH, JIM IS NOT HERE TONIGHT.
UH, DID, UH, VISIT WITH JIM ABOUT THIS, UH, JIM HAWK, UH, ABOUT A POSSIBILITY OF ADDING, UH, AN ADDITIONAL PERMIT TO THIS SITUATION.
UH, CURRENTLY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UM, ISSUES, A HEALTH PERMIT FOR THESE MOBILE FOOD UNITS AND TRAILERS.
UH, SO ONCE THEY, ONCE THEY ARE INSPECTED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WE FILL OUT THEIR, THEIR THEY'RE A SAFE UNIT.
UH, I GUESS THE, THE CONCERN NOW IS WHERE THEY GO REGULATING WHERE THEY'RE AT, UM, WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WHERE THEY'RE AT, UH, AND, AND HOW LONG THEY'RE DOING IT.
SO, UH, ANOTHER INTERESTING SITUATION THAT I THOUGHT WAS, UH, VERY PERTINENT WAS, UH, I LIKED FORT WORTH, UM, ADDITIONAL PERMIT.
UH, SO BASICALLY IT'S BASICALLY ANOTHER PERMIT, BUT THE, UH, BUT THE MOBILE FOOD UNIT VENDOR WOULD BE REQUIRED TO, UM, GO GET A VENDOR CEO, UH, WHICH WOULD INCORPORATE AN APPLICATION PROCESS.
AND THEN THEY WOULD ALSO INCLUDE IN THAT APPLICATION PROCESS, A SITE PLAN OF THE PROPERTY, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY AND MAKING SURE THEY'RE NOT BLOCKING FIRE LANES, THEY'RE NOT TAKING UP SPACES, IT'S A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR BOTH PEDESTRIANS AND VEHICLE TRAFFIC.
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AGAIN, THAT'S JUST SOME, SOME TIDBITS THAT I WANTED TO SHARE IT WITH YOU.UH, I HOPE THIS MEETS THE NEED IN THE, IN THE REQUEST THAT WAS MADE FOR US TO COME BACK WITH THE ANALYSIS OF THE CITY'S ORDINANCES.
UM, I DIDN'T GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL.
AND THOSE, UH, THE NAS ON HERE BASICALLY MEANT THAT IT WAS EITHER NOT APPLICABLE OR IT WAS NOT FOUND IN THE ORDINANCE REVIEW.
UM, SO, UH, SOMETIMES, UH, IT MAY NOT BE THERE.
UM, IT MAY BE AN INTERPRETATION, UM, UH, THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE ORDINANCE, BUT ANYWAY, UM, UM, MOST OF THE CITIES DO REQUIRE DISTANCES FROM, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE AN EXAMPLE, THE, UM, THE MINIMUM OF 500 FEET.
UM, ONE, ONE OTHER INTERESTING SITUATION IS WE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, SAGAR MALL, WHICH I KNOW IS, UH, IS, IS A CONCERN, UH, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
UH, IF YOU NOTICE, IF YOU RECALL, THEY ARE LOCATED NEAR THE STREET NEAR JUPITER.
UM, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU WERE TO MEASURE FROM WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED TO THE MAIN BUILDING, IT'S ABOUT 400 FEET.
SO THEY WOULD STILL BE BASED ON, UH, IF WE WENT WITH A 500 FEET, UM, REQUIREMENT, THEY WOULD STILL BE IN, IN, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A PERSPECTIVE OF, OF THE DISTANCE, UH, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO, UH, BUT ANYWAY, UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR HAVE COMMENTS.
I LIKED THAT VENDOR CEO THAT FOR THEFT, BECAUSE LIKE, UH, ON, UH, APOLLO IN JUPITER, THEY DON'T HAVE NO CEO'S.
AND ON THAT, UM, CARWASH, THE GUY DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE NOTHING CORRECT.
UM, THE GUY THAT HAS THAT CARWASH, THEY'RE GOING TO PERMIT SUP FOR CARWASH, BUT NOT NOTHING FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT DOWN, CORRECT.
IF, IF W MOVING FORWARD, IF WE, AND I'M JUST OFFERING A SUGGESTION, IF YOU DO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE AT, AT, AT A PROPERTY AS AN ACCESSORY TYPE USE, UM, IF YOU, IF YOU GO AS AN EXAMPLE, IF YOU GO MORE THAN TWO, TWO UNITS AT ONE PROPERTY, THEN WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT INCORPORATING SOME TYPE OF, UH, FOOD, TRUCK PARK, FOOD TRUCK, UM, PROPERTY, UH, THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME.
YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO GO PROBABLY THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS TO REZONE SOMETHING, UH, MAYBE ESTABLISH AN ORDINANCE.
AND, YOU KNOW, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING AT THIS TIME TO, TO ADDRESS THAT.
BUT, UM, THE OTHER ONE IS HERE RESTROOMS, UH, THE, UH, THE, UH, REGULATION, VARIABLE RESTAURANTS AND PRIMARY BUILDINGS.
THAT'S WHAT IF THEY ARE SAY, SELL FRANCE THERE TO CONVENIENCE STORE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO, UH, THEY WOULD NEED TO BE LOCATED WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE FOR THE, UH, THE PATRONS AND THE EMPLOYEES OF THE FOOD UNIT TO BE ABLE TO GO TO A RESTROOM FACILITY RESTROOMS IN THAT CARWASH.
I UNDERSTAND NOTHING, BUT WE COULD, WE COULD, AND THE CORNER WHERE BLOCKS ALL THE TRAFFIC, RIGHT.
AND THAT MIGHT GET INTO A PARTICULAR, UH, SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.
AND IT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT TYPE PERMITTING, UH, TOP SITUATION, UH, AS OPPOSED TO JUST A, YOU KNOW, ONE AND TWO UNIT, UH, SITUATION AT, AT, UH, AND AS AN ACCESSORY USE, UM, MAIN CONCERN WAS PUBLIC SAFETY, AND YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING BESIDES WHAT WE GOT RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THERE'S NO REGULATION AND NOBODY GETS SICK.
SOME CUSTOMERS GET SICK, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO TO COMPLAIN OR ANYTHING? WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
UM, BJ, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEAH.
UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, UM, WITH THE, UM, VENDOR CEO'S, YOU SAID THAT'LL BE TIED TO LOCATION.
THEY GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS THAT WE ESTABLISH THAT THEY, WHAT THE VENT, WHAT THEY HAVE TO THEN BE
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AT A FIXED LOCATION AND THAT LOCATION AND LIMITED TO THAT LOCATION ONLY.AND AGAIN, I'M JUST OFFERING A SUGGESTION.
OTHER CITIES REQUIRE THAT IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU VISIT OR YOU VAN FROM MORE THAN LOCATION, UH, YOU WOULD REQUIRE A SEPARATE VENDOR CEO FOR THAT OTHER, OTHER LOCATION AS WELL.
SO IF SAY I'M A SAM, A VENDOR, AND I, I FREQUENT THREE, THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
I WOULD NEED THREE DIFFERENT PERMITS, WHICH WOULD APPLY, WHICH I WOULD APPLY FOR A THIRD, UH, AN ADDITIONAL PERMIT.
AND I WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE A SITE PLAN OF WHERE I'M GOING TO BE LOCATED AT THAT LOCATION.
THAT SITE PLAN WOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SAFETY FEATURES OF TRAFFIC, PEDESTRIAN, PARKING, FIRE LANES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
'CAUSE I, CAUSE I THINK YOU DON'T TALK WITH TOKENS WITH THE CASES THAT YOU'VE, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH, UH, RECOVER MY DISTRICT.
UM, MY MAIN CONCERN IS HEALTH AND, AND, UH, UH, JASON'S TEAM HAS, AS LONG AS YOUR, YOUR, YOUR TEAM, MY MAIN CONCERN IS HEALTH.
AND WHEN I, WHEN I THINK ABOUT, I LIKE THE, I LIKE TO VENDOR CL, BUT SOMEWHAT SOME OF, MANY OF THESE, UM, I WOULD, I DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT, BUT I JUST, JUST BASED ON OBSERVATION, UM, MANY OF THESE FOOD TRUCKS, THEY JUST SHOW UP, THEY JUST, THEY SHOW UP HERE AND THEN THEY SHOW UP THERE.
AND, UM, IF THEY ARE ON A PRIVATE PARKING LOT WITH THE DALE AND, AND, UH, LET'S SAY HEALTH INSPECTOR GOES OUT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND CHECKS THEM OUT, YOU KNOW? AND, UH, IF THEY, IF THEY'VE GOT THE PROPER, NECESSARILY HEALTH DOCUMENTS, THEY STAY THERE THE NEXT TIME YOU SEE THEM THEY'RE DOWN ON ANOTHER CORNER.
UM, AND SO HOW WOULD, I GUESS WITH THIS VENDOR CEO AGGRESSION, HOW WOULD WE, WHAT WOULD BE THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM, PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY'RE SITTING ON A PRIVATE PROPERTY? WELL, HOW, IF WE WENT TO THE, THE VENDOR, CEO'S HOW, I MEAN, WE SAY YOU'VE GOT TO GET A CEO.
IF HE, IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO BUSINESS AT THREE DIFFERENT SITES, WE SAY YOU HAVE TO GET THREE DIFFERENT SEALS, RIGHT? HOW WOULD WE, HOW WOULD WE POLICE ON FORCE THAT, THAT, AND A LOT OF THIS ACTIVITY TAKES PLACE ON WEEKENDS.
SO ANY, ANY, WHAT ELSE THE CITY IS DOING? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, WE, WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT INTERNALLY.
UH, I'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UH, JIM AND I DISCUSSED IT AS WELL.
ONCE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ISSUES THEIR, THEIR, THEIR PERMIT, UH, THEN THEY COULD REFERENCE THE, THE VENDOR TO THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS TO GET THEIR VENDOR CEO.
UH, THEN THAT'S WHERE WE AT CODE COMPLIANCE WOULD COME IN AND, AND DO THE MONITORING, UH, OF THESE MOBILE FOOD UNITS.
UH, IF WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN MONITOR THEM PROACTIVELY.
UH, IF WE GET A COMPLAINT, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN GO RESPOND TO THE COMPLAINT.
UH, WE CAN VERIFY THAT THEY HAVE A HEALTH PERMIT.
THEY HAVE THEIR VENDORS CEO, UH, THROUGH THOSE, THROUGH THOSE PERMITTING PROCESSES, UH, IT WOULD BE REQUIRED THAT THEY HAVE PERMISSION TO BE THERE FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER.
UH, AND IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE AT A, AT A, A VACANT LOT OR SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY SHOULDN'T BE, UH, YOU KNOW, THEN, THEN WE WOULD ENFORCE THAT.
AND, AND WHAT, THIS JUST APPLY TO FOOD VENDORS.
UH, CAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, A VARIETY PARTICULARLY GOING INTO THIS SEASON AND THE WINTER TIME, UH, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF FIREWOOD VENDORS THAT JUST SHOW UP, THEY GOT TO PICK UP A TRAILER AND THEY STOPPED THIS PLACE, THIS, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? YES, SIR.
SO WITH, WITH THIS, JUST APPLY TO FOOD, FOOD, TRUCK TYPE VENDORS.
IT'S THAT WOULD BE YOUR DECISION.
I THOUGHT I'D READ, JUST RAISED IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE 79TH DISTRICT, BUT I KNOW I'VE SEEN THAT.
I'D RATHER START SMALL AND, BUT I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT IT SHOULD.
I JUST THOUGHT I'D ASK THAT QUESTION.
JUST A CLARIFICATION ON YOUR QUESTION.
WHEN YOU SAY FOOD TRUCK VENDORS, ARE YOU
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TALKING ABOUT CATERING TRUCKS AND FOOD PREPARATION TRUCKS, OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BOTH? BECAUSE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CATERING TRUCK AND A FOOD PREPARATION TRUCK.UH, I'M DONE WITH A TRUCK THAT PULLS UP ON PARKING LOT X, THEY OPENED THE WINDOW, YOU WALK UP AND YOU ORDER RIGHT.
OR SANDWICH, THEY HAND YOU THE SANDWICH AT, AND THAT COULD BE A CATERING TRUCK OR A FOOD PREPARATION.
BUT, AND I W I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW.
ALL I KNOW IS THAT THERE'S PEOPLE IN LINE AND THEY'RE BUYING FOOD.
HERE'S THE, HERE'S WHY I'M ASKING, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION IN WHAT Y'ALL ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
THE CATERING TRUCKS ARE THE TRUCKS THAT YOU SEE THAT GENERALLY HAVE A CIRCUIT WHERE THEY START HITTING CONSTRUCTION SITES AND THEY FEED CONSTRUCTION WORKERS ONSITE.
THAT'S THE FOOD THAT'S FOOD THAT'S BEEN PRE-PREPARED AND PRE-PACKAGED, AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR FOOD TRUCKS WHERE YOU'RE ONSITE ACTUALLY COOKING AT FOUR ORDER.
THAT'S THE GROUP OF TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST MAKING SURE.
I'M NOT AFTER THE GUYS WHO SHOW UP AT THE CONSTRUCTION SITE, YOU KNOW, AND EVERYBODY BY THAT, I'M NOT, THAT'S THE SECOND GROUP.
THAT'S, THAT'S A GROUP THAT I'M, UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
AND I DON'T ASK THE QUESTION, NOT THAT I'M AFTER FIREWOODS, BUT I WANT TO START SMALL, BUT, UM, I LIKE THE VENDOR CEO, THE CEO, UH, UH, PIECE.
AND YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTION ON THE, ON THE TRACKING BECAUSE THESE, OR THEY ARE SHOWING UP IN INCREASING NUMBERS.
AND, UH, AND THEY'RE ALSO INVITING SOME OTHER THINGS THAT THAT'S NOT A PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.
SO, UH, RICK, I APPRECIATE THIS.
SO WHAT MY I'M CHAIR FOR, I MAY, SO I WANTED TO COME BACK.
SO IF WE WERE TO ADOPT THE CEO PIECE OUT OF FORT WORTH, WHAT WOULD THAT WHAT'S NEXT STEPS, I THINK, WOULD WE POSE MUST ADMIT AN OPENNESS TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE? HOW WOULD THAT LOOK, RICK? WELL, I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR BRIAN, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST OR RECOMMEND THAT WE GET TOGETHER WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND SIT DOWN AND DRAFT AN ORDINANCE, A ROUGH DRAFT TO BRING BACK TO YOU FOR REVIEW.
UH, AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THE DETAILS AND THE LIKES AND DISLIKES AND, AND, AND GO FROM THERE.
DID YOU ALSO BRING A COP AT THE FOOT WITH ORDINANCE TO SHARE WITH? I CAN, I CAN DO THAT.
UM, MAYOR PROTEIN, YOU SAID A WHILE AGO, YOU SAID TRUCKS SETTLED IN.
WOULD YOU SAY THAT? THAT'S THE QUESTION.
I JUST, I WANT TO STRAIGHTEN THAT OUT THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.
NO, NO, WE, WE, AND, AND LIKE BRIAN SAID PREPARATION ALREADY, THAT DON'T, THAT DON'T INCLUDE HERE BECAUSE THEY GET PERMITS.
AND ONLY NOW THAT'S WHAT MOST OF ME MOSTLY CONCERNS ME IS THIS TRAILERS, THE FOOT TRUCKS ARE ONE THING, BUT THE TRAILERS IS ANOTHER.
CAUSE THE GUYS WOULD GO OVER THERE AND THE PARK, THE TRAILER, NOW WE DON'T HAVE TO, THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
I MEAN, WHAT I RECOMMEND, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET THREE OR FOUR CEOS.
WHAT I'M SAYING, THEY GET A CEO, ONE CEO, BUT THEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CHART.
LIKE WHERE ARE THEY WHERE THEY PARK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A SITE PLAN.
YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THEY HAVE PERMISSION FROM THE, UH, THE OWNERS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN JUST PARK A TRAILER IN OUR PARKING LOT AT HEART, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
IT'D BE THE, THE, THE VETTING OF THAT COULD BE AT THE APPLICATION PROCESS WHERE YOU, WHEN YOU FILL OUT YOUR APPLICATION, YOU PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION AND IT GETS APPROVED BEFORE YOU GET YOUR PERMIT.
AND THEN, THEN BACK TO DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM'S QUESTION ABOUT WHO'S WOULD ENFORCE THAT.
UH, THAT'S HOW WE CURRENTLY DO SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS.
NOW, IF WE GET A COMPLAINT ON THAT, THEN WE WILL GO OUT AND WE'LL W NUMBER ONE, MAKE SURE THEY HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.
AND THEN WE'LL VERIFY THAT, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR SITE PLAN IS BEING FOLLOWED AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO.
AND THAT'S HOW WE CURRENTLY, UH, ENFORCE THE SPECIAL EVENTS, UH, VENDORS.
SEE, OH, I ALSO THINK THAT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY,
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SHE WOULD BEAR A LITTLE, UH, CEO, YOU KNOW, GIVING THEM PERMISSION TO DO RIGHT.AND I ENVISIONED THAT HERE'S AN EXAMPLE.
YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GIVEN, SAY THREE VENDORS PERMISSION TO BE THERE AT ANY GIVEN TIME, BUT WE CREATE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS YOU CAN ONLY HAVE TWO AND YOU KNOW, WHO, YOU KNOW, FIRST ONE FIRST COME FIRST SERVE, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE PROBABLY HAVE TO DISCUSS AND WORK THROUGH SOMETHING THAT'S ENFORCEABLE.
AND I'M THE CEO, THE, LIKE THE CARWASH, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT ON THE APOLLO AND JUPITER.
THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE A CEO FOR TRAILERS, RIGHT.
AND THEY DON'T HAVE RESTROOMS, YOU KNOW, TO GO TO THE RESTROOM.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT KINDA BOTHERS ME, THAT EIGHT OWNER, BECAUSE THE CAR WASH, WASN'T DOING VERY GOOD.
HE STARTED PUTTING ALL THESE TRAILERS THERE AND THE TRAILERS ARE HIT.
I'M NOT TRYING TO SHUT HIM DOWN.
I JUST WANT TO PERMIT TO MAKE SURE THAT IN CASE THERE'S AN ACCIDENT OR SOMETHING, SOMEBODY'S GOT A BEAR.
THE, THE CAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S, I'M WORRIED MORE PUBLIC SAFETY LIKE MAYOR PRO TEM TALKING ABOUT THAT'S MY CONCERN.
AND I THINK, I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE PERMITTING PROCESS BECAUSE I KNOW THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY DO THEIR INSPECTIONS, THEY, THEY, THEY LOOK AT THE FIRE SAFETY, UH, AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN THEN INCORPORATE THE ELECTRICAL CODES, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT, THINGS OF THAT NATURE IN, IN THE WELL, ONE RIGHT THERE, BECAUSE WHEN I BROUGHT THIS UP, Y'ALL WENT OUT THERE TO INSPECT IT.
AND WHAT DID YOU FIND ON THE ELECTRIC? THEY WERE, THEY WERE HARDWIRED IN, SO YOU SAID AN EXTENSION CORDS AND SURE.
AND, UH, USING BUTANE AND, UH, GENERATORS AND ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA HAVE A LITTLE REGULATION I'M TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TO, FOR THE, I MEAN, AND I'M NOT TRYING, DON'T GET ME WRONG.
I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT THEM OUT OF BUSINESS.
UM, I'M GLAD THAT EVERYBODY'S DOING OKAY.
UM, SO I ALSO LIKE THE, UH, THE CONCEPT OF THE VENDOR CEO.
I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF MAKING THEM HAVE A SEPARATE CEO FOR ANY SITE THAT THEY PLAN TO VEND FROM.
I THINK THAT ONLY MAKES SENSE.
AND THAT WAY WE HAVE A SITE PLAN AND WE KNOW WHERE THEY WILL PARK AND ON WHAT THEY WILL PARK.
UM, AND WE'LL KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE LIVING UP TO THEIR CEO OR NOT, UM, WITH A, YOU KNOW, PRETTY EASY CHECK.
UM, THAT MAKES, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
UM, SO LOOKING AT THE YELLOW, THE YELLOW SQUARES, THAT WHERE YOU NOTED, SUGGESTED ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS, UM, UH, YOU HAVE THE NOT APPLICABLE UNDER ACCESSORY LAND USE, YOU HAVE THAT YELLOWED, IS THERE A S DOES THAT SIGNIFIES THAT SOMETHING ELSE SHOULD BE THERE BESIDES NOT APPLICABLE? UH, WELL, THAT, THAT MEANS WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE THAT FOR YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CITY OF GARLAND.
SO SHOULD WE HAVE THAT? I'M SAYING WE SHOULD HAVE THAT.
WELL, NO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, THIS IS THE CURRENT STATE.
SO IF WE, IF WE WANT TO INCORPORATE THAT AND WE, WE GO THAT ROUTE, THEN WE WOULD MOVE THAT TO YES.
CA CAN YOU JUST STATE WHAT THAT EXACTLY MEANS? WELL, IT'S LIKE I'M AT A CONVENIENCE STORE, YOU KNOW, RETAIL, GAS, SALES, WHATEVER, AN ACCESSORY, UH, WOULD BE NOT THE PRIMARY USE OF THE, OF THE LAND, BUT A SECONDARY USE MADAM CHAIR.
OH, CAN I MAKE A, I HATE TO CIRCLE AROUND, BUT OCCASIONALLY I HAVE A THOUGHT THAT POPS POPS IN MY HEAD, UM, UM, IN REGARD TO THE VENDOR CEO'S, AS I THINK THROUGH THIS AND THE COMPLICATIONS THAT MIGHT COME FROM REQUIRING EACH FOOD TRUCK TO CONTAIN MULTIPLE CEO'S.
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Y'ALL MAY WANT TO CONSIDER IS THAT THE PROPER CAUSE ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS DO THEY HAVE PROPER AUTHORITY FROM OWNER CONSENT FROM THE OWNER? SO WHAT IF WE RE WE REQUIRED THE OWNER OF A PROPERTY TO ISSUE A SITE PLAN FOR, YOU KNOW, A VENDOR ISSUE, A SITE PLAN TO OBTAIN A VENDOR CEO FOR, YOU KNOW, SAY TWO FOOD TRUCKS.AND AS LONG AS THOSE FOOD TRUCKS HAVE BEEN ISSUED HEALTH PERMITS, THEN WHY DO WE CARE WHERE THEY GO, AS LONG AS THEY ARE IN AN APPROPRIATE, AT AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION THAT'S BEEN ISSUED A CEO.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? BECAUSE THEN THE VENDOR THEN THE, UM, UM, FOOD TRUCKS ONLY GETTING ONE PERMIT AND THAT'S THE HEALTH PERMIT.
SO WE MAKING SURE THAT THE FOOD THAT THEY'RE SERVING HAS BEEN PREPARED IN A HEALTHY MANNER AND THAT THEY'VE PASSED THEIR HEALTH PERMIT, BUT IT'S EASIER TO TRACK BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE, UH, IF YOU WERE REQUIRED FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THAT NUMBER ONE, THE FACT THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER CAME IN AND SAID, HEY, I WANT THIS I'M A CEO BECAUSE I HAVE THESE TWO SPOTS ON MY SITE.
AND I ALREADY THEY'LL ALREADY HAVE A SITE PLAN WHEN THEY CAME IN TO GET THEIR, UM, CEO FOR THEIR BUSINESS.
AND I WOULD LIKE THEM TO GO HERE AND THEN WE CAN REVIEW THAT BUILDING INSPECTION CAN REVIEW THEIR SITE PLAN AND SAY, YEAH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE, BASED ON THE SITE PLAN YOU SUBMITTED, UM, WE CAN, WE SEE THAT YOU CAN SAFELY PUT TWO, UM, FOOD TRUCKS OR TWO, UH, MOBILE, UM, UH, UH, TRAILERS AT THIS LOCATION.
AND, UM, AND THEN THEY CAN PUT IT THERE AT THE LOCATION.
WE HAVE A RECORD OF WHERE, UM, UM, IT'S BEEN ISSUED, UM, BUILDING A SPECTRAL, HAVE A DATABASE THAT CAN SAY, WELL, WE KNOW THAT THE CEO'S HAVE BEEN ISSUED TO THESE LOCATIONS.
AND IF WE SEE A FOOD TRUCK SOMEWHERE, THAT'S NOT AT ONE OF THE, OR AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION, IT'S NOT IN THEIR DATABASE.
AND THEY KNOW WHETHER THERE'S A VIOLATION HERE.
SO IT WOULDN'T MATTER WHICH FOOD TRACK, AS LONG AS IT HAD A HEALTH PERMIT, AS LONG AS THE HEALTH PERMIT, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE PROPERTY.
NOW WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNER GOT THE CEO.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
THAT'S A REALLY GREAT WHAT I LOOKING FOR, BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S GOT TO TAKE THE, IN CASE THERE'S AN ACCIDENT.
SOMEBODY GOT TO TAKE THE RIGHT, THE PUNISHMENT OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, NO WAY, CERTAINLY A PROPERTY OWNER IS GOING TO HAVE, UM, INSURANCE INSURANCE.
ALSO, THEY CANNOT ALLOW A TRAILER OR TRUCK, UH, ELECTRICAL CONNECTIONS, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S APPROVED BY BUILDING INSPECTIONS.
UM, AND COMMITTEE, I'M WATCHING THE CLOCK, WHAT I WANT TO DO SINCE WE ARE GOING TO, TO TASK.
UM, BRIAN AND JEN, WITH COMING BACK TO US WITH A DRAFT, I WANTED TO RUN THROUGH THIS MATRIX QUICKLY AND, AND GIVE THEM, UH, A GENERAL IDEA OF, OF OUR THOUGHTS.
AND SO STARTING WITH THAT, LOVE THAT IDEA, THE ACCESSORY LAND USE.
UM, ARE YOU ALL, GENERALLY AT THIS POINT, TENTATIVELY IN FAVOR OF, UM, HAVING GARLAND COME INTO ALIGNMENT WITH EVERY OTHER CITY TO SAY, YES, IT WOULD BE AN ACCESSORY LAND USE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? THE LAND USE? UM, YES.
IT WOULD BE AN ACCESSORY LAND JUICE.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY CAN NOT BE A PRIMARY.
YOU SAID THE LACK YOU'RE DESCRIBING TO WHERE YOU HAVE A PROPERTY THAT, THAT DOESN'T CONTAIN A BUSINESS.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT TURNS INTO A, A, UM, CATERING TRUCK AND PARK.
UM, THEN THAT WOULD BE A PRIMARY LAND USE.
AND SO WE MAY WANT TO COME UP WITH A ZONING USE OR A LAND USE FOR, UM, UM, FOOD COURTS, UH, MOBILE FOOD COURTS, UM, RIGHT.
AND SO WE MAY WANT TO HAVE THAT, BUT YES, TH THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE A LAND USE ON OUR CHART THAT I'M AWARE OF FOR A MOBILE FOOD COURT.
BUT SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, AS LONG AS THERE'S SOME OTHER BUSINESS, THAT'S A PRIMARY BUSINESS ON LOCATION, THEN YOU CAN HAVE THESE AS ACCESSORY USES.
SO NEXT ONE OVER RESTROOMS IN PRIME.
I MEAN, IT SHOULD BE YES, AT LEAST TENTATIVELY FOR THEM TO USE IN DRAFTING.
AND IF YOU CAN, UM, WELL, WE'LL GET THERE IN A MINUTE.
THE NEXT ONE OVER RESTAURANTS AND PRIME PRIMARY BUILDINGS, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, UH, LESS THAN 500 FOOT DISTANCE FROM RESTAURANTS AND PRIMARY BUILDINGS IS, UM, RICK, THAT APPEARS TO BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
THAT'S MY RECOMMEND THAT THAT WOULD COVER THE SAIGON MALL SITUATION.
IF YOU'RE TALKING TO WITHIN 500 FEET WITHIN 500 FEET, YES.
THEY'RE GOOD WARS THAT WERE OVER THE PHONE AND HAVE THAT ON THE SIDE FORT WORTH ON THAT.
UM, RICK, WHEN YOU LOOKED AT FORT WORTH LESS
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THAN 500 FEET, THAT'S FOR RESTAURANTS THAT ARE ON THE SAME PROPERTY, THE RESTROOMS THAT ARE ON THE SAME PROPERTY.IF WE DO THE VENDOR CEO, AS BRIAN HAS SUGGESTED THAT ALREADY WILL BE A GIVEN NUMBER OF UNITS ALLOWED.
I SEE THE HAVE HIGHLIGHTED TWO, AND THIS WOULD BE ALLOWED ON A SPECIFIC SITE.
AND, AND, UH, I SEE THAT FORT WORTH SAYS ONE EXCLUDING FOOD COURTS, WHICH IS ANOTHER WHOLE CATEGORY, BUT, UM, SO WE DO HAVE, WE HAVE SPECIAL EVENTS FOR INSTANCE, IT'S CENTRAL PARK WHERE WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE FIVE FOOD TRUCKS.
UM, WE HAVE SPECIAL EVENTS HERE AND THERE ACROSS THE CITY WHERE MULTIPLE FOOD TRUCKS SHOW UP MORE, MORE THAN TWO.
THIS ISN'T HOW THIS ESPECIALLY EVENTS, RIGHT.
SO I'M JUST VERIFYING FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.
IT WOULD, THIS WOULDN'T PROHIBIT US FROM, UM, PERMITTING SPECIAL EVENTS WHERE WOULD BE MULTIPLE FOOD TRUCKS OR WE'LL, WE'LL CLARIFY THERE, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, UM, UM, EXCLUSIVE OF OUR SPECIAL EVENTS AND ALSO KEEP IN MIND WHAT WE'RE HEADING TOWARD WITH RECODE AND HAVING A SPECIFIC AREA THERE, THAT'S LOOKED AT PROSPECTIVELY TO BE A FOOD TRUCK COURT.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T CUT OUR OWN TRUCKS WITH THAT.
ACCESSORIES ALLOWED AND WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED ONE TABLE AND FOUR CHAIRS.
UM, AND I SEE IT'S KIND OF A YES, NO, YES, NO, YES, NO FORT WORTH SAYS LEAVE THEM ALONE.
I DON'T SEE A BIG VALUE IN THAT AND TRYING TO, CAUSE WE PUT SOMETHING IN IT.
WE'VE GOT TO, THEN WE'VE GOT TO ENFORCE IT AND WE'VE GOT TO CHECK IT.
I MEAN, COUNTING TABLES AND CHAIRS THAT I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK, WELL, I GUESS I DON'T KNOW WHY, UNLESS YOU THINK IT'S FOR, UM, MY THOUGHT WOULD BE, UM, UH, THEY WERE THE, REALLY, THE ONLY ONES THAT SPECIFIED LIKE COUNTING TABLES AND CHAIRS, THE REST OF THEM WERE, WERE PRETTY VAGUE.
I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO COME AND TABLES AND CHAIRS.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, SO IT WAS THE CONCEPT BEHIND YOU THINK WITH FORT WORTH THEM SPECIFYING TABLES AND CHAIRS TO KEEP IT FROM BECOMING THIS HUGE DINING OUTDOOR DINING AREA WAS A SAFETY, SAFETY FACTOR.
AND PLUS FOR WORK HAS THE HUGE STOCK YARDS WHERE THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF PERIMETER OPEN SPACE AND THAT MAY HAVE BEEN, HELPED ME TO DO WITH THIS, BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
THEY'VE GOT THIS HUGE ENTERTAINMENT STUFF WHERE THEY, I DON'T, I, I DON'T YEAH.
A FEW DAYS AGO AND THEY HAVE A GIANT OUTDOOR PATIO.
THEY HAD EXTRA TABLES AND CHAIRS SET UP.
THERE'S ALSO A TIRE PLACE OVER IN MY DISTRICT OR IT'S ACTUALLY A DISTRICT EIGHT IS I PASS BY IT.
THEY HAVE A FOOD TRUCK AT A TIRE PLACE ALL THE TIME AND THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF TABLES AND CHAIRS OUT.
SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE CARE? WE CARE.
UM, FOR WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SIT THERE AND WORRY ABOUT COUNTING TABLES AND CHAIRS.
I MEAN, SO CURRENTLY WE ARE NOT APPLICABLE.
WHERE ARE YOU ON THIS? DO YOU CARE? I DON'T CARE ABOUT CHERISH, BUT BECAUSE THE SPECIAL EVENTS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE OR TWO OR THREE TABLES, YOU KNOW, SPECIAL NOW, BUT THERE'LL BE PERMITTED SEPARATELY THOUGH.
SO THIS WOULDN'T APPLY TO THEM.
WELL IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE TRENDING TOWARD, WE DON'T CARE.
SO IN A, UM, KEEP IT GOING, GOING HOURS OF OPERATIONS.
SO YOU'VE HIGHLIGHTED PRIMARY BUSINESS HOURS.
IT LOOKS LIKE FORT WORTH HAS SAID NO VENDING 2:00 AM TO 7:00 AM.
AND, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT, THEY DON'T WANT FOOD VENDORS TO BE OUT AT 2:00 AM.
NO, UM, PRIMARY BUSINESS HOURS.
SO JUST HAVE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AS FAR AS LET'S TIGHTEN THAT UP? WE CAN CERTAINLY TELL THEM THAT BECAUSE LIKE IN SPECIAL EVENTS, YOU'RE GOING TO SAY FROM 11 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, TILL NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OUR SEPARATE SEPARATE FROM THIS, THIS, THIS ONE INCLUDES SEPARATELY, ESPECIALLY PANTS, PRIMARY BUSINESS IRISH, WELL, YOU KNOW, SAYS 7:00 AM TO 10:00 PM.
DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE? ISH 11:00 AM.
DO YOU WANT TO SAY SEVEN TO 11? I DON'T CARE.
PRIMARY CARE PRIMARY BUSINESS HOURS.
SO WE JUST HAVE TO PUT NUMBERS IN THERE SO THAT WE DON'T DRIVE OUR ATTORNEY CRAZY.
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AND THAT'S THIS ONE APPLIED TO SPECIAL EVENTS, UM, ZONING, ZONING DISTRICT.UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS LIMITED WHERE IT HAS TO BE NON-RESIDENTIAL AT LEAST I'M NOT ALONE.
I MIGHT FIND SOME OTHER ONES THAT MIGHT NOT BE APPROPRIATE.
SO THAT'S MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE'LL CAN LOOK AT FOR US TO STUDY.
WELL THEN WAIT A MINUTE, IF YOU SAY NON-RESIDENTIAL WELL, ALL OF THE OTHERS OVER THERE ARE ALL IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN NEIGHBORHOODS, NOT IN COMMERCIAL PLACES.
THEY ZONED RESIDENTIAL OTHER BUSINESS ZONE.
OUR WATCH IS RIGHT THERE IN THE CORNER AND THEIR HOUSES ACROSS THE STREET, NO LAND, BUT THE CAR WASH IS PROBABLY ZONED DIFFERENTLY THAN THE HOUSES.
THAT'S INSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THE ZONING IS THE QUESTION.
SO THE CAR WASH IS PROBABLY ZONED DIFFERENTLY THAN THE FOLKS WHO LIVE IN THE HOUSE NEXT TO IT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU COME UP WITH A OKAY.
AND FINALLY PARKING GUIDELINES.
UM, I SEE IT FORT WORTH SAYS IMPROVE SURFACE AND I'M ASSUMING THEY SAY A LOT OF OTHER THINGS AS WELL.
UM, AND WE AREN'T GIVING CURRENTLY ANY PARKING GUIDELINES.
SO WILL A LOT OF OUR CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING GUIDELINES BE TAKEN CARE OF BY HAVING CEO'S.
SO DO WE NEED TO INCLUDE THE PARK THAT IMPROVE SURFACE? IT'S NOT A BAD PLAN BECAUSE A PROPERTY OWNER COULD OWN PROPERTY INCLUDING A GRASS FIELD.
SO IF WE DON'T REQUIRE THAT IT'S AN IMPROVED SURFACE, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT ADDING THAT, THAT IT HAS TO BE AN IMPROVED SURFACE AND THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY OWNER.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I'M GOOD WITH APPROVED CIPHER.
SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SPECIAL EVENT? NOPE, THEY'RE COMPLETELY SEPARATE.
DID WE GIVE YOU ALL ENOUGH TO, UH, WORK UP A DRAFT FOR US? AND THEN ONE MORE QUESTION.
WHAT ABOUT IF THEY'RE BLACK KIDS THERE IN THE CORNER? OKAY.
AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET IN THERE.
WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THE ONE ON JUPITER.
CARWASH IS RIGHT ON THE CORNER YOU GOT HERE IN JUPITER THIS YEAR, THERE ARE PEOPLE ON JUPITER TRYING TO GET IN THERE AND THEY'RE BLOCKED THE STREET.
THEY BLOCKED THE CORNER OF APOLLO, YOU KNOW, TO THE STOP SIGN THAT BLOCKED THAT STREET BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO GET IN THERE AND THAT CAUSES A JAM.
YOU KNOW, Y'ALL, HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
AND YOU KNOW, THE THING ABOUT IT IS IN WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THAT? THAT'S THIS TRAFFIC AND THIS TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S THE DOWNSIDE.
I THINK OF HAVING MOBILE FOOD TRUCKS IS RIGHT TO, TO EXPECT THEM FOR EACH SITE THAT THEY'RE LOCATED ON TO COME UP WITH A TRAFFIC STUDY ON HOW IT MAY IMPACT IT.
THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT NOT BE REASONABLE UNLESS YOU'RE WANTING TO SAY, UNLESS THE POLICY, THE PUBLIC POLICY IS WE'RE TRYING TO LIMIT FOOD TRUCKS.
WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T WANT FOOD TRUCKS IN OUR CITY, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THAT'S FINE.
BUT UM, OTHERWISE TRAFFIC WILL BE DIFF THAT WOULD BE A DIFFICULT SITUATION TO RESOLVE.
UH, IT'S NOT, THERE ARE SO MANY PARKING SPACES A DAY-TO-DAY CAN READ NOW, AND THEN THEY'D JUST STAND RIGHT THERE AND GO ORDER SOMETHING BLOG.
NO, I GUESS THAT BECOMES TRAFFIC.
I, I THINK PROBABLY AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, BUILDING INSPECTION HAVE A LOOK AT IS BECAUSE FOR EVERY BUSINESS, SINCE IT'S THE SECONDARY USE AND NOT THE PRIMARY, THE PRIMARY USE HAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF REQUIRED PARKING SPACES, RIGHT? F A F A FOOD TRUCK COMES IN AND TAKES UP SAY FOUR PARKING SPACES.
THEN THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO PASS A BUILDING INSPECTION REVIEW TO APPROVE A SITE PLAN, TO GET A CEO FOR THAT LOCATION FOR IT.
IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE LIMITED TO LOCATIONS THAT HAVE EXTRA PARKING SPACES TO ALLOW FOR FOOD TRUCKS, WHICH WILL HELP THE PROBLEM, YOUR RED NOW ON THAT CAR WHACK, THEY HAVE FIVE TRAILERS LIKE THAT.
AND, AND I MEAN, THEY'RE DOING A TREMENDOUS JOB, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED, YOU, I HAVE WHAT I NEED YOU AND I ALSO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
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GOING TO THE WORK AND REVIEWING ALL THIS.UM, I WOULD ALSO BE INTERESTED IN, IN SEEING A COPY OF THE FORT WORTH, UM, ORDINANCE, JUST, JUST FOR FUN.
IF YOU COULD JUST EMAIL IT TO THE COMMITTEE, THEN WE CAN ALL JUST LOOK AT IT FOR FUN.
UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE VERY SAD LIVES AND THIS IS WHAT WE DO FOR FUN.
IF YOU WANT PICTURES, I'VE GOT PLENTY OF PICTURES.
IF YOU ALL ONE DAY, ALL RIGHT.
COMMITTEE IS ITEM FIVE IS ADJOURNMENT.
IT IS 5:35 PM, AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.