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UH,

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OKAY.

[Community Services Committee on November 9, 2021.]

ALL RIGHT.

IT'S FOUR O'CLOCK.

THIS IS TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 9TH.

UM, AND THIS IS THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE.

I AM DEBRA MORRIS CHAIR.

AND WITH ME ARE COUNCILMAN ROBERT VERA AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, BJ WILLIAMS AND CITY ATTORNEY BRIAN ENGLAND, AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT STAFF MEMBERS.

SO, UM, ITEM ONE ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE OCTOBER 11TH, 2021 MEETING, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO READ OVER THEM AND REVIEW THEM? SO, YEAH.

UH, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE YES.

I'VE HAD GESTURE FOR ROSE, RIGHT? YES.

I MOVE FOR APPROVAL MINUTES.

OKAY.

IN FAVOR.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

THEY ARE APPROVED.

ALL RIGHT.

ITEM TWO IS TO REVIEW THE FALL 2021 NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY MATCHING GRANT APPLICATIONS.

AND SCOTT, YOU ARE GOOD AFTERNOON, SCOTT BOLINGER, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY MANAGER.

UM, AND I BELIEVE IN PREVIOUS CYCLES WE HAD TAKEN THESE ONE AT A TIME AND GOTTEN FEEDBACK.

IS THAT HOW YOU WANT TO DO IT TODAY OR? OKAY, SO, UM, WE HAD SIX QUALIFIED APPLICATIONS FOR THE FALL CYCLE.

UM, THERE, THEY WERE LOCATED ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

UH, I JUST HAVE THESE PRESENTED IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER.

SO THE FIRST IS CAPTAIN'S QUARTERS HOA, UH, REPLACE FOUR LARGE RETAINING WALLS WITH ENHANCED DRAINAGE AND INSTALL FOR HEAVY DUTY PARK BENCHES.

UM, THEY STATED THEIR MAINTENANCE WOULD BE A BIANNUAL INSPECTION PERFORMED BY THE INSTALLER AND MAKE REPAIRS AS NECESSARY.

UM, THIS IS, UH, LOCATED IN SOUTH GARLAND, UM, AND IT'S A SORT OF, UH, UH, CONTAINED, UH, HOA, UM, UH, RIGHT OFF OF MARINA DRIVE THE, UM, APPLICATION COMMENTS FROM APRIL VITALITY.

THIS WOULD BE AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT, OR WE'LL SAY COMMON AREA AND RECREATION IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEW CONSTRUCTION ARE CONSIDERED ELIGIBLE REPAIRS OR MAINTENANCE TO EXISTING STRUCTURES ARE NOT ELIGIBLE, UH, ON SEPTEMBER 28TH.

UM, WITH, UM, FROM THE DIRECTION FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, I REQUESTED EXACT LOCATIONS OF WHERE THE RETAINING WALLS WOULD BE.

UM, SINCE, UH, WE HAD ALSO SENT THAT AS PART OF THE LETTER OF INTENT FEEDBACK, UM, AND TO DATE, I HAVE NOT GOTTEN THOSE LOCATIONS FROM THE APPLICANT THAT DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY DISQUALIFY THEM AND JUST, UM, WE DON'T HAVE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH INFO TO PROVIDE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS PART OF THIS PROCESS AS POSSIBLE.

UM, IT WOULD REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT AND ONE OTHER, ONE OTHER COMMENT THAT I DIDN'T PUT IN THE PACKET, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WINDJAMMER HOA, UM, WHICH WAS DENIED.

UM, I BELIEVE THAT WAS FALL 2020.

UM, IT, THE BASIC ISSUE, THERE WAS, THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE THAT THE RETAINING WALLS WOULD RESOLVE ANY OF THE DRAINAGE ISSUES.

UM, I BELIEVE YOU, YOU ASKED FOR A FUNCTIONALITY REPORT.

THE COMMITTEE DID FOR THAT ONE AND NONE WAS RECEIVED.

UM, THE SAME PERSON THAT APPLIED FOR WINDJAMMER IS THE SAME PERSON THAT'S APPLYING FOR CAPTAIN'S QUARTERS.

UM, SO, UH, THEY ALSO, BUT WINDJAMMER ALSO HAD SEVERAL OTHER REQUESTS, INCLUDING THINGS LIKE WHEEL STOPS.

SO, UM, I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL INFORMATION AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT KEVIN'S QUARTERS.

NO QUESTION.

WHAT DO I SAY? YEAH.

YES.

UH, SCOTT, WHAT DO WE DO WE HAVE, UH, UM, THE, UM, THE INFORMATION THAT ENGINEERING HAS REQUESTED, IS THERE A TIMELINE FOR THEM TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION? UM, I BELIEVE WHEN WE DOUBLE CHECK, UM, YES, THEY, WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THEIR LETTER OF INTENT, WHICH WAS, UM, WOULD HAVE BEEN IN JULY, UH, THEY WERE, WE REQUESTED THE PRIVATE PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.

THEY DIDN'T WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THEIR APPLICATIONS.

SO I REQUESTED IT AGAIN ON SEPTEMBER 28TH AND NO RESPONSE, UH, TO DATE.

I HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT.

SO, UM, IN ORDER TO PREPARE FOR THIS MEETING, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ENGINEERING HASN'T I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYTHING NOR HAS ENGINEERING HAD THE INFORMATION TO REVIEW IT FOR THEMSELVES.

SO THERE'S, THEY, THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO COMMENT ON.

OKAY.

AND SO WHERE DOES, WHAT, WHAT, WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE THIS APPLICATION? SCOTT SCATTERED THIS POINT? UM, I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UM, YOU COULD, IN THE PAST, UM, THE COMMITTEE HAS REQUESTED A FUNCTIONALITY REPORT.

YOU COULD TAKE THAT ROUTE, OR YOU COULD SIMPLY, UH, DENY THIS ONE WITH AN, I CAN PROVIDE THE INFORMATION ON WHY AND THEY CAN REAPPLY IN THE SPRING.

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AND YOU HAVE YOU HAVE WE REQUESTED THIS INFORMATION TWICE, RIGHT? YES, SIR.

AND THE LAST, MOST RECENT IT WAS IN SEPTEMBER, RIGHT? YES, SIR.

AND WE STILL HAD NO RESPONSE.

THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

WELL, I KNOW WHAT MY RECOMMENDATION IS.

I'LL WAIT FOR THE CHAIR.

ASKED FOR RECOMMENDATIONS.

OKAY.

NO, WHAT COUNCILMAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY.

UM, I DO SEE THAT PART OF THEIR, UM, THEIR REQUEST INVOLVES INSTALLING FOUR HEAVY DUTY PARK BENCHES.

IS THERE A PROBLEM THAT YOU FORESEE WITH THAT? NO.

SO ANOTHER OPTION MIGHT BE THAT WE WOULD APPROVE THE PARK BENCHES AND DENY THE REST OF THEIR REQUESTS RELATING TO THE RETAINING WALL AND LET THEM TRY AGAIN NEXT YEAR AND SEE IF THEY'RE MORE FORTHCOMING AS THE, IF IT'S THE SAME PERSON.

AND WE ASKED FOR A FUNCTIONALITY REPORT BEFORE, AND THEY JUST IGNORED US.

I'M NOT PARTICULARLY INCLINED TO, UH, TO EVEN GO THAT ROUTE.

SO I GUESS MY, MY THOUGHT IS TO, UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER PROBLEM ON OUR END TOO, TO LET THEM PUT IN THEIR PARK BENCHES AND DENY THE REST.

OKAY.

I WOULD, WOULD YOU LIKE A MOTION MAN, A CHAIR, OR, UM, SURE.

UM, WELL, I, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE TAKE THE ACTION THAT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED BY THE CHAIR.

SECOND IN FAVOR.

AYE.

AYE.

THANK YOU, SCOTT.

AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE FILLING IN THE PREVIOUS INFORMATION CAUSE I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU THAT AND YOU PROVIDED IT.

THAT IS VERY HELPFUL.

AND AS WITH LAST NIGHT, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR ANALYTICAL APPROACH TO THESE THINGS THAT MAKES MY LIFE MUCH EASIER.

I'LL TRY TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, GOING FORWARD.

OKAY.

UH, SECOND ONE IS CRYSTAL LAKE ESTATES.

THIS IS ALSO IN SOUTH GARLAND, UH, INSTALL 164 LINEAR FEET OF RIPRAP RETAINING WALL ALONG THEIR EASTERN SHORELINE.

UM, THEY, THEY STATE THAT THEY'RE USING NIGHT EROSION AND THE CITY USES NIGHT EROSION ACTUALLY FOR A LOT OF THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS.

UM, THE, IT, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE ON HERE, BUT TOWARDS THE CENTER, UM, OF, OF THIS MAP ON THE EASTERN SHORELINE AND SPECIFICALLY WHERE THERE, UM, WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO INSTALL THAT THE, UM, COMMON AREA IMPROVEMENTS, UM, UM, HOW MANY ARE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ALLOWED? UM, JUST AS NEIGHBORHOOD PARK IMPROVEMENTS ARE, UM, W FOR THIS, WE WOULD PROBABLY OBTAIN A LICENSE AGREEMENT, UM, FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS MADE AND ENSURE THAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, NOT CLOSED OFF BY HOA MEMBERSHIP.

UM, AND, UM, THE THERE'S, IT'S LISTED HERE, SOME OF THE TECHNICAL STANDARDS THINGS, BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY THAT IT'S IN OUR PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

SO WE'D HAVE TO, UM, PROVIDE A LICENSE AGREEMENT AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, RETAIN THE RIGHT TO, UM, TO MAINTAIN THAT RIGHT OF WAY FOR, FOR OUR PURPOSES.

BUT, UM, WE'VE GRANTED PROJECTS LIKE THIS IN THE PAST, UM, ON THAT BASIS.

UM, AND THEY HAVE BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN VERY COMMUNICATIVE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS AND, AND, UM, AND ARE HAPPY TO PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU MAY REQUEST.

AND SCOTT, WHAT YOU SHARE IN CASE MY COLLEAGUES ARE, ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE TERM RIP RAP RETAINING WALL.

SURE.

IT'S LIKE THE, THE CONCRETE ROCKS THAT ARE STACKED UP IN CAGED IN ESSENTIALLY.

AND THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THAT.

THERE'S ALSO LIKE A CONCRETE, UH, BAGS THAT YOU CAN PUT OUT AND THEN AS THEY ERODE IT, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE RIP RAP.

THAT'S USUALLY AT NIGHT EROSION USES.

UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE BASIS OF IT.

IT HELPS WITH DRAINAGE OF, OF, UH, OF IN THIS CASE, A SHORELINE QUESTIONS, NO QUESTION.

OKAY.

OKAY.

AND THIS SCOTT, I'M ASSUMING WITH THIS PARTICULAR USE THAT THERE'S NOT ANY QUESTION THAT THIS WOULD PERFORM THE FUNCTION OF EROSION CONTROL? UH, WE, WE BELIEVE IT WOULD.

YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

WELL, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THIS.

UM, SO IF SOMEONE HAS A MOTION, I'LL TAKE IT.

OKAY.

UM, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM WILLIAMS, MOVE FORWARD, PULL OF THIS REQUEST FROM CRYSTAL LAKE ESTATES.

OKAY.

SECOND.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE.

THE THIRD IS FALL CREEK ESTATES, HOA.

UM, THEY, THEY HAVE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS PLANNED HERE.

UH, SHADED PICNIC WITH TABLES AND BENCHES GATED PLAYGROUND CONTINGENCY, UM, IS, IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT.

AND THEY HAVE STATED THAT THIS IS THE FIRST

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OF THREE, UH, IMAGINED PHASES.

THEY WOULD, UH, THEY WOULD PERFORM THEIR OWN SAFETY INSPECTIONS BASED ON THEY, THEY S THEY, THEY SAID THREE YEARS, OR AS ADVISED BY THE PLAYGROUND MANUFACTURER, WHICHEVER IS MORE FREQUENT.

UH, WE OWN THIS PARCEL.

SO THE GREEN SPACE, THE TREE SPACE HERE, UM, WE, THE CITY OF GARLAND OWNS THAT.

SO SIMILAR TO OTHER PROJECTS, WE WOULD, UM, GRANT A LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

UM, THE, UM, THE ONE THING WE DO THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER THIS SORT OF LIKE A PARK IMPROVEMENT.

ONE THING WE DO WITH THAT IS WE MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THEY CAN, THEY CAN ERECT A GATE FOR SAFETY PURPOSES, BUT THEY CANNOT LOCK THE GATE OR RESTRICT ACCESS BASED ON MEMBERSHIP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

UH, THEY CAN ALSO INCLUDE, UM, UH, IT'S ALSO RECOMMENDED THEY INCLUDE SIGNAGE CAUSE THEY CAN KEEP PARK LIKE OURS, SAME FOR THE, FOR THE SAME PURPOSES.

UM, I DID MAKE A, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE THE, THE TIMELINE THERE THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR A LITTLE OVER $59,000, UH, BASED ON SOME OF THEIR PREVIOUS PROJECTS.

UH, WE HAVE THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND, EVERY FIVE YEARS TIMEFRAME.

I INCLUDED SOME OF THAT INFORMATION HERE.

SO THEIR ENTIRE REQUESTS WOULD BE ELIGIBLE, ALTHOUGH JUST ELIGIBLE.

UM, AND, UH, AS FEEDBACK TO THEM, I WOULD, IF THIS IS APPROVED, I WOULD ALSO ASK THEM TO INCLUDE A MAINTENANCE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THE TRASH BINS.

UM, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME PERMITTING THAT MAY BE REQUIRED.

AND, UM, UM, I MENTIONED THE LICENSE AGREEMENT EARLIER.

SO, UH, THIS IS THE FALL CREEK HOA APPLICATION.

AND THE, I SEE THAT FABRIC IS NOT APPROVED AND APPROVED ROOFING MATERIAL.

WAS THAT THEIR ORIGINAL INTENT? IT WAS, YES.

AND HAVE THEY REVISED THAT AND THE, WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT A GATE AROUND THE PLAYGROUND, AM I ASSUMING THAT MEANS A FENCE WITH A GATE? SORRY.

YES.

I MEANT TO PUT PINS WITH ONE GIANT GATE.

YEAH.

WE'D NO, I CAME IN THERE HANGING HERE.

OKAY.

COMMITTEE, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CONCERNS ABOUT THIS ONE, SCOTT, WOULD YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE ENGINEERING SECTION? IT SAYS I'M GETTING, I'M PICKING IT UP MID SENTENCE, UH, WHERE IT SAYS THE CITY OF GOLDEN WOULD NEED TO EXECUTE THE LICENSE AGREEMENT THROUGH ENGINEERING AND JUST TALKS ABOUT THE, THE AREA AT THE END OF THE HARVEST RUN CUL-DE-SAC IS OWNED BY THE CITY.

CAN YOU, WHAT IS, AND IT SAYS, WOULD NEED TO EXECUTE A LICENSE, LICENSE AGREEMENT THROUGH ENGINEERING.

AND I HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO APPENDIX D YET TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

SO CAN YOU JUST, JUST BRIEFLY IN LAYMAN'S TERM, I'M GOING TO GO UP THAT TO SURE.

SINCE THE, THE CITY OWNS IT, UM, WE CAN PROVIDE A LICENSE AGREEMENT OR A LICENSE FOR A DIFFERENT, UH, DIFFERENT USE WITHOUT GIVING UP OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY.

SO IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN PURSUING, THEY COULD PUT, UM, THEY CAN PUT THIS PARK AND PLAYGROUND ON OUR PROPERTY, UM, BY USE OF THAT LICENSE AGREEMENT THAT GRANTS THEM TO DO SO.

OKAY.

AND IF THERE ARE ANY, DO WE HAVE ANY LIABILITY? UM, UM, IF THIS IS PLATE SINCE ITS OWN CITY PROPERTY WE HAVE IN LIABILITIES AS PEARSON INJURY, EQUIPMENT FAILURE, OR THIS KIND OF THING, DO WE HAVE ANY LIABILITY AT ALL? IF WE SIGN ONE OF THOSE, WHEN THESE UNDER THE LICENSE AGREEMENT MISSES MISS CITY ATTORNEY, IF WE OKAY.

MY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, ARE YOU ASKING IF THERE'S ANY LIABILITY, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO GET HURT? YES.

IF SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY GETS HURT, UH THERE'S UH, EQUIPMENT FAILURES AND ALL, SOME OF THEM I'M JUST SHOOTING AN EXAMPLE, THE SLIDE BREAKS.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

AND CUT SOMEBODY SHOUT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

NO, THERE WOULD NOT BE LIABILITY IN THAT CASE BECAUSE IN ORDER TO ATTACH LIABILITY TO THE CITY, YOU WOULD BE A NEGLIGENCE CLAIM OR A PREMISE IS DEFECT.

AND IN BOTH OF THOSE CASES, UM, UM, THE CITY WOULD EITHER HAVE TO HAVE TO ACTIVELY BE INVOLVED.

UM, IN OTHER WORDS, OPERATING SOME TOURS, SORT OF A MOTOR DRIVEN EQUIPMENT OR A PREMISES DEFECT IN THAT, THAT WOULDN'T BE THE CASE IN THIS SITUATION WHERE WE'VE ISSUED A LICENSE FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO OPERATE.

UH, OR IF WE'RE, OR WE WERE BEING GIVEN THE LICENSE, AREN'T WE? YEAH, WE'RE PROVIDING, WE'RE PROVIDING LESS.

IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULD NOT EITHER WAY IT WOULDN'T FALL ON THE CITY UNDER THE, UNDER THAT SITUATION.

OKAY.

OKAY.

AND THE HOA IS FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR MAINTENANCE, CORRECT? YES.

OKAY.

OKAY.

AND ARE THERE ANY MAINTENANCE CONDITIONS OR

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OTHER THEY DO, DO THEY SET THE MAINTENANCE PROTOCOL FOR, FOR THIS, THE HOA HOA DOES? UM, THEY WOULD, UM, I'M NOT SURE THE, THEY WOULD, THEY'VE STATED THEY WOULD FOLLOW THE, THE MANUFACTURERS, UM, GUIDELINES FOR THE PLAYGROUND.

UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD GET INTO.

YEAH.

TYPICALLY SPEAKING, HANG ON PRIVATE, BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY, ALTHOUGH TYPICALLY SPEAKING IN PRIVATE PLAYGROUNDS, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING, UM, UM, THAT THE CITY WOULD REGULATE AS LONG AS THEY'RE FOLLOWING MANUFACTURER GUIDELINES.

UM, UM, IF THERE WERE TO BE AN INCIDENT, UM, THERE WOULD BE A PRIVATE CAUSE OF ACTION BETWEEN THE PERSON THEY KNOW DON'T GET ME WRONG.

WE CAN ALWAYS BE SUED, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN A CAUSE OF ACTION WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL AGAINST THE CITY.

OKAY.

THANKS.

OH, OF COURSE.

NO, WE SUE THE CITY IN THE CHURCH.

OKAY.

THANKS GOD.

THAT'S A CHEERFUL ATTORNEY AND YOU COULD ALWAYS SAY WE CAN'T BE SAVED, BUT ANYBODY CAN SUE FOR ANYTHING.

IT WON'T LAST LONG.

THANKS GOD.

YES, SIR.

WELL, COMMITTEE, I AM, I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THIS ONE MOVING FORWARD.

IF ONE OF YOU, UM, IF YOU BOTH AGREE AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE NEED A FORMAL MOTION, BUT, UM, IS THIS SOMETHING YOU WOULD BOTH BE COMFORTABLE WITH SEEING MOVE FORWARD? DONE? OKAY.

YEAH.

NEXT ONE IS THE PROVOST'S AT FIRE WHEEL SIDE.

IT'S LIKE SAYING THAT PROVOCATIVE FIRE WHEEL.

THEY HAVE, UM, A LOT OF, UH, LANE LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS PLANNED AS PART OF THEIRS.

UM, AS PART OF OUR LETTER OF INTENT, UM, FEEDBACK, I, I DID MENTION THIS IS, UH, UM, COCHO, UH, SENT THIS EMAIL, BUT, UH, THAT CITY COUNCIL, AS OF AUGUST 2ND, HAD VOTED THAT SOFTSCAPE IS NOW INELIGIBLE FOR THE PROGRAM.

UM, BUT THEY DID NOT, THEY CHOSE NOT TO ALTER THEIR, THEIR APPLICATION, UH, BASED ON THAT THEY DID NOT INCLUDE A MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR THE NEW, UM, VEGETATION.

UM, AND AS, AS I JUST STATED WITH SOFTSCAPE, UM, OR LIVE VEGETATION, NOT BEING AN ELIGIBLE PROGRAM EXPENDITURE, UM, USING THEIR ESTIMATE PROVIDED, UH, 56,000 OR ABOUT HALF OF THEIR APPLICATION WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE BASED ON THE CURRENT GUIDELINES.

UM, I ALSO WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE, THE FIVE-YEAR COMPLETION AND THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR A, A NEW $100,000 FIVE-YEAR CYCLE.

UM, AND THEN ENGINEERING HAD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT WHERE, YOU KNOW, PLACEMENT OF TREES AND, AND, UM, WHEN, WHERE THERE WAS, WHERE THOSE WOULD GO WITH RELATIVE TO PUBLIC UTILITIES.

UM, BUT THE MAIN QUESTION HERE, I THINK IS THE, IS THE LANDSCAPING WELL, SCOTT, SINCE WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE ANY KIND OF SOFT SCAPE OR LIVE VEGETATION, UM, AND YOU SAID THAT 56,850 OF THIS IS ELIGIBLE.

I'M ASSUMING THE BALANCE OF THAT IS ALL LANDSCAPE AND VEGETATION.

SO WHAT EXACTLY IS IN THE 56,000, I WAS TRYING TO READ THROUGH THIS AND FIGURE IT OUT, BUT RIGHT.

I SHOULD HAVE PROVIDED MORE DETAIL THERE.

UM, IT'S, IT'S MAINLY THE, THE ROD IRON FENCE AND SOME HARDSCAPING WAS INCLUDED.

IT'S A LOT OF HARDSCAPING ALONG THE SCREENING.

WELL, IT'S HARDSCAPING AND CON IN COMBINATION WITH SOFT SCAPING THAT WAS IN PRECLUDING THE APPLICATION, UH, BUT A GOOD PORTION OF IT WAS, UH, LIVE, LIVE VEGETATION.

SO IF WE ONLY APPROVED THE HARDSCAPING AND THESE ELIGIBLE THINGS, ARE THEY S WILL THEY STILL WANT ON THEIR OWN DOLLAR TO DO ALL THE OTHER STUFF? OR SHOULD WE, HAVE YOU ASKED THEM? UM, I HAVE ASKED THEM THEY, THEY CHOSE NOT TO ALTER THEIR APPLICATION.

SO IF I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY WOULD DO.

THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, HAVE THEY, UH, DID THEY SAY ANY WHY THEY WANT TO NOT ALTER THEIR, UH, I KNOW THEY DIDN'T AND IT GIVES IT A ONE PUT MONEY IN IT.

OKAY.

I MEAN, IT COULD BE, IF YOU LIKE, THIS IS JUST A SUGGESTION, IT COULD BE THAT YOU APPROVE IT ON THE THINGS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE AND THEN WE JUST, THEY CAN ALWAYS DROP IT.

THEY CAN ALWAYS SAY, WELL, NEVERMIND, WE'RE CANCELING, OR WE WANT TO REDO THE WHOLE THING THAT THEY CAN ALWAYS DO THAT, THAT DOESN'T, UM, THEY CAN ALWAYS, UH, APPLICANTS CAN ALWAYS DROP OR CUT THINGS FROM SCOPE.

THEY JUST CAN'T ADD TO.

SO IF THEY DECIDE TO JUST ABANDON THE PROJECT AND TRY SOMETHING ELSE IN THE SPRING, THEY'RE THERE, THEY CAN DO THAT.

BJ.

YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS

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OR COMMENTS? I HAVE NO BETTER JOB.

I'M GOOD.

SO SAD.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE BOTTOM, THE BOTTOM LINE.

IT WOULD BE THE 56 PLUS, RIGHT? YES.

OKAY.

UH, I'M GOOD WITH, WITH THAT I'M CHAIR.

OKAY, GOOD WITH THAT.

ALRIGHT.

WE ARE GOOD WITH THE ELIGIBLE EXPENSES ON THIS.

OKAY.

NEXT UP, RAIN BOOTS, RAINBOW STATES.

UM, SO, UM, THEY HAD, UH, THEIR APPLICATION HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS IN IT.

UM, ALTHOUGH SOME OF THE DETAIL WAS MISSING, UM, THEY, THEY STATED OUR GOAL IS BEAUTIFICATION WITH MORE DOWN-HOME LOOK AND FEEL TO THE COMMUNITY.

IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF WHERE RAINBOW STATES IS.

IT'S, IT'S SORT OF AT THAT SPLIT OF BEING D UM, I, SINCE THIS IS ONE OF THOSE, UM, VOLUNTARY NEIGHBORHOOD, $10,000 PROJECTS, I JUST SUGGEST THAT MY, MY TEAM WORK WITH THEM ON MORE OF, ON THE, ON THE SPECIFICS AND GET THEM UP TO AS MUCH AS WE CAN GET FOR THEM UNDER THE 10,000.

AND, AND, UH, UM, WE KNOW WE, WE KNOW SOME OF THE THINGS THEY WANT BASED ON THEIR APPLICATION.

I THINK JUST WORKING OUT SOME OF THOSE DETAILS, WE WERE PLANNING ON WORKING WITH THEM IN THE FUTURE.

ANYWAY, THIS APPLICATION JUST SORT OF CODIFIES THAT.

SO I, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE EXCITED TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH THEM, SET ASIDE SOME, SOME FUNDING IN THE CIP, JUST FOR THEM.

ALL RIGHT.

AND COMMITTEE, JUST BACKGROUND ON THIS, UM, RAINBOW NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS A VERY, VERY LONG STANDING ASSOCIATION IN THE CITY.

IT'S, IT'S A VOLUNTARY ONE, NOT AN HOA, THE LONG, LONG TERM PRESIDENT EMMA CREIGHTON PASSED AWAY.

AND IN, IN THE INTERIM, THEY HAVE JUST ONLY RECENTLY, UM, ELECTED A NEW PRESIDENT WHO IS WORKING HER WAY THROUGH THESE KINDS OF APPLICATIONS FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER.

SO I THINK WHAT SCOTT JUST SUGGESTED IS A GOOD SUGGESTION JUST TO LET NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY WORK CLOSELY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, TO HELP THEM REACH THEIR BEAUTIFICATION GOALS WITHIN THE $10,000 LIMIT.

SO IF THAT'S SUITABLE, THAT'S NOT AS NAILED DOWN TO DETAIL AS WE OFTEN GET, BUT THIS IS KIND OF A UNIQUE SITUATION.

SO, UM, ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT? OKAY.

THANK YOU, SCOTT.

YES.

MA'AM LAST ONE TOWN NORTH.

IF YOU REMEMBER, TOWN NORTH IS THE, UH, H WAY WE WORKED WITH THAT HAS THE METAL PANELS FIXED TO THE SCREENING WALL OVER IN WEST GARLAND.

UM, THEY, THEY BROUGHT THIS ONE FORWARD, UM, A LITTLE BIT LIKE A PROVENCE.

THEY, THEY HAVE SOME SOFT SCAPE IN THERE THAT THAT WOULD BE AN ELIGIBLE.

IT'S NOT NEARLY THE SAME PERCENTAGE OF THEIR $12,000 PROJECT COSTS.

UH, 11,748 WOULD STILL BE ELIGIBLE.

UM, MAINLY THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING FLOWER BEDS WITHIN THEIR HOA VILLAGE.

HEARTSCAPING THINGS LIKE THAT.

THERE'S NO THERE'S NO GATE OR RESTRICTED ACCESS TO THEIR, TO WITHIN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, SO TH THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE, UH, AND ENTRY FEATURES AND COMMON AREA IMPROVEMENTS ARE TYPICALLY ELIGIBLE ANYWAY.

SO THAT'S THE TOWN NORTH HOA APPLICATION.

IS THIS, I'VE GOT A QUESTION.

IS THIS THE ONE EAST, THE PLAIN ROAD ON BUCKINGHAM? YES.

ACROSS WALMART, YES.

OKAY.

THAT'S RIGHT.

OKAY.

THEY ALWAYS WORK AND FIX THAT PRETTY GOOD.

GOOD.

YEAH.

AND ENGINEERING HAD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT JUST, YOU KNOW, BE CAREFUL ABOUT UTILITIES AND STUFF, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE ALL THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF.

BUT, UM, UH, GENERALLY THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT.

I SEE A BUILDING INSPECTION SAID WOULD NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THE ENTRANCE WALL.

SO HAVE THEY BEEN, HAVE THEY BEEN GENERALLY RESPONSIVE? YES.

UM, I'VE WORKED WITH BARBARA LEBECK AND SHE'S YES.

SHE'S BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS MOVING FORWARD TO OTHER QUESTIONS.

NOPE, WE'RE GOOD.

ALL RIGHT.

THOSE WERE THE SIX.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY.

ITEM THREE IS TO DISCUSS NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY, MATCHING GRANTS FOR SIDEWALKS AND TRAFFIC CALMING, UM, IS, OH, SCOTT, YOU'RE STILL GONNA BE UP.

AND I THINK I AM OKAY.

AND COMMITTEE, JUST TO MAKE THIS CLEAR AND SCOTT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE.

I BELIEVE THAT WE USED TO, WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY MATCHING GRANTS, ALLOW NEIGHBORHOODS TO APPLY FOR GRANTS TO HELP PAY THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAUSE TO DO WITH COST

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SHARING ON THINGS LIKE SPEED HUMPS.

UM, I THINK ALSO SIDEWALKS THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THEN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, 20 15, 20 15 TIME FLIES WHEN YOU'RE HAVING FUN.

UM, 20, 20, 15, I GUESS WE CHANGED THAT BECAUSE WE WERE, YOU KNOW, MOVING UP SOME OTHER THINGS.

BUT WHAT WE BASICALLY DID IS WE PULLED THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER THE POOR NEIGHBORHOODS WHO ARE, UH, REALLY CAN'T EVEN AFFORD THEIR PERCENTAGE FOR SIDEWALKS, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE MADE IT MUCH, MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE FOR MANY PEOPLE, NOT NECESSARILY FOR ALL.

UM, AND WITH SPEED HUMPS, WE BASICALLY TOOK AWAY NEIGHBORHOODS ABILITY, UM, WHO ARE NOT WELL-HEELED TO, TO GET A SPEED HUMP BECAUSE THEY CANNOT WITH THE PETITION PROCESS, GET PEOPLE TO SIGN THE PETITION AND SAY, YEAH, I'M GOING TO CHIP IN, YOU KNOW, $300 FOR IT.

SO THIS IS TO DISCUSS PERHAPS REVERSING WHAT WAS DONE IN 2015 AND PUTTING THOSE, UM, POSSIBILITIES, MAKING THAT ELIGIBLE FOR GRANTS AGAIN, THAT NEIGHBORHOODS CAN APPLY FOR.

SO YOU'RE WRONG.

UM, SO FOR SPEED HUMPS, UM, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.

THEY'RE ELIGIBLE UNTIL 2015.

UM, THE, THE CURRENT, WELL, WE W WE COULD USE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY, BOND FUNDING TO PAY FOR THEM.

UM, AND ASSUMING THERE, THERE'S SORT OF, THERE'S A PREREQUISITE IN THAT THERE'S, UM, A STREET CLASSIFICATION.

SO IF IT MEETS A CERTAIN STREET CLASSIFICATION, I THINK IT'S, UH, A TYPE F STREET OR ABOVE IT.

YOU CAN'T HAVE A SPEED HUMP THERE, BUT, UM, IF IT DOESN'T MEET THAT, THEN, THEN YOU CAN, AND THEN THEY ARE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW A PROCESS.

I'M NOT PERFECTLY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING LIKE GET 80% SIGNATURES OR APPROVAL WITHIN A CERTAIN MILE RADIUS OF WHERE YOU WANT TO PUT IT, UM, THAT, THAT W THAT PROCESS WOULD STAY IN PLACE NO MATTER WHAT YOU WOULD DO AS FAR AS FUNDING WITH, WITH THE MATCHING GRANT.

UM, IT, ALTHOUGH I THINK IT'S, IT'S POSSIBLE, UH, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER THAT IF, IF THEY'RE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THAT ENTIRE PROCESS, MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, IT, IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE CITY COULD JUST PAY FOR THAT WE DON'T TRY TO TRY TO SHOEHORN IT INTO THE MATCHING GRANT PROCESS.

WE COULD DO THAT.

UM, BUT ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A VOLUNTARY NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S UNDER $10,000, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE AT NO COST TO THEM ANYWAY, UNDER THE CURRENT GUIDELINES.

SO IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT IF THEY CAN FOLLOW ALL OF THOSE PROCESSES ON THE SPEED HOMES, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IS THAT WE JUST, UM, ON THE FUNDING SIDE, IT JUST GETS TAKEN CARE OF, UM, THREE, THE GRANT FUNDING SURE.

THROUGH THE BOND FUNDING, THE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY BOND FUNDING, OKAY.

THAT'S ONE POSSIBILITY, OR WE CAN RESTORE IT THROUGH THE MATCHING GRANT.

BUT LIKE I SAID, IF IT'S, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THOSE THINGS COST, BUT IF IT'S UNDER $10,000, IT WOULD BE 100% FUNDED ANYWAY.

AND THE, AS FAR AS THE COST GOES, THE CONTRIBUTION FOR SPEED HUMPS IS $700.

SO IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY.

AGAIN, I WOULD, I AGREE WITH WHAT SCOTT SAID IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY BEST TO WORK THAT THROUGH SOME OTHER PROCESS COULD BE THE FUNDING IS THERE, BUT, UM, IT'D BE A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO PULL IT OUT SEPARATE FROM THE MATCHING GRANT PROCESS AND JUST CONSIDER IT SEPARATELY.

I'M SURE IT HASN'T BEEN HAPPENING IS THE PROBLEM THERE.

ISN'T RIGHT NOW A WAY TO DO THAT.

SURE.

SO YES, I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, WE HAD TO HIT 80% APPROVAL.

I'M NOT SURE.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

OKAY.

THAT'S ON THE SAY LIKE BOBBY LANE FROM JUPITER TO WESTERN.

OKAY.

DO ALL THOSE PEOPLE ON BOBBY LANE HAVE TO SIGN IT UP TO 80%? I THINK IT'S 80% WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE OF THE SPEED HUMP.

I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE DISTRIBUTORS.

YEAH.

UM, I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON EAST SIDE OF THE STREET.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

YES.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER STREET OR NO, NO, NO.

OKAY.

WITHIN A CERTAIN, CERTAIN DISTANCE ON THAT STREET WHERE THE SPEED HUMPS IS GOING TO BE INSTALLED.

DO WE KNOW HOW FAR? I DON'T KNOW THAT OFFHAND.

OKAY.

I JUST, JUST CURIOUS.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BEAT.

I JUST, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO PUT SPEED BUMPS AND AN END DATE.

THEY DON'T WANT IT ALL.

YOU GOT TO PITCH IN A LITTLE BIT.

OH, NO, NO, NO.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

I AIN'T GOING TO PUT MONEY IN IT.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

THEY THINK THAT THE CITY OUGHT TO DO IT, BUT EACH SPEED BUMP COST $700.

WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT

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THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONTRIBUTES.

IF THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THERE'S A NEED A NEED, UM, DEMONSTRATED THEY, THEY HAVE TO PUT IN $700.

THAT'S REALLY MEANT TO COVER THE COST OF THE ASPHALT.

UM, THERE'S MORE LABOR COSTS AND OTHER COSTS INVOLVED, BUT, UM, THIS WAS MORE OR LESS A WAY TO GET THE NEIGHBORS, TO, YOU KNOW, PUT SOME MONEY INTO THE DEAL BASICALLY, AND HAVE SOME OWNERSHIP IN THE SPEED HUMP.

I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE THAN THAT.

I DIDN'T KNOW, 700.

WAS IT SEVEN 50 RECENTLY? I, BUT MAYBE IT'S STILL 700.

THEY SAY A SURVEY AREA.

UM, IT'S THE 80% OF PEOPLE IN THE SURVEY AREA IN THIS.

IT'S NOT TELLING ME WHERE THE SURVEY AREA IS, BUT IT'S, I THINK IT'S GENERALLY THE BLOCK.

IT'S A BLOCK.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY RECENTLY WE'RE NEAR SOUTH WALL, HIGH SCHOOL AND IT'S A BLOCK FOLKS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY IMPACTED WOW.

WHATEVER TRACK DEVICES.

SO IT'S A BLOCK, NOT YOUR NEIGHBORS, TWO BLOCKS.

IT'S ABOUT, UM, SO IF WE, WHAT OPTION, OPTION OPTION A NOW SHOULDN'T BE.

SO FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE, WHAT OPTION WOULD YOU RECOMMEND? WHAT OPTION DO YOU RECKON? WELL, ALL I WAS WHILE I WAS MEANING TO SAY IS IF, IF THEY APPLIED FOR IT AS A NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN, AND THEY'RE A VOLUNTARY ASSOCIATION, THEN IT WOULD BE COVERED 100%.

ANYWAY, UH, UNDER THE CURRENT MATCHING GRANT GUIDELINES, UM, NOW 700 WOULDN'T COME INTO PLAY.

NO IT WOULDN'T, BUT IT HASN'T SINCE 2015, THIS HASN'T BEEN A COVERED WHAT I'M SAYING.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.

SO WE HAVE NOT ALLOWED PEOPLE TO FUND THEIR STREET HOMES THROUGH THIS PROGRAM.

THAT'S WHY THIS ISSUE IS BEFORE US.

AND NOT EVERY, NOT EVERY STREET THAT BELIEVES THEY NEED A STREET IS PART OF A VOLUNTARY ASSOCIATION EITHER.

RIGHT.

SO I GUESS WHAT I WAS, WHEN I SAY IT'S SORT OF OPTION A, UM, PUT IT BACK IN THE MATCHING GRANT AND THEY FOLLOW THAT PROCESS WHILE ALSO HAVING TO FOLLOW THE SURVEY PROCESS AND, AND PUT THOSE THINGS TOGETHER AND THEY WOULD GET 100% COVERED OR PERHAPS ANOTHER OPTION IS THAT THEY, UM, THEY STILL FOLLOW THE SURVEY PROCESS.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S IN QUESTION RIGHT NOW.

THEY STILL FOLLOW THE SURVEY PROCESS AND THEM TURNING THAT IN THE CITY CAN THEN MAYBE, MAYBE THERE'S SOME SORT OF REVIEW PROCESS THAT GOES ON TOP OF THAT, BUT THEN IT JUST GETS FUNDED OUT OF, OUT OF MY FUNDING.

ANYWAY, HAS IT BEEN ANY SET INEXPERIENCED ON, HAVE, HAVE, HAS YOUR OFFICE GOTTEN INQUIRIES FROM NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS? ASSOCIATIONS? YES.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? THEY, IN OUR EXPERIENCE, THE, THE, UM, THE PROCESS OF, OF GETTING THE SIGNATURES IS, WELL, IT'S HARD TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THEY SEE THAT THERE'S A $700 AMOUNT AND THEY GIVE UP, OR IF IT'S A, I'M SURE THAT IS HAPPENING, THEY'RE SORT OF SELF, SELF SELECTING THAT WAY.

BUT OTHER TIMES IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS OF DOING THE SURVEY IS ENOUGH TO, FOR THEM NOT TO PURSUE IT.

UM, I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE, BUT YES, WE GET INQUIRIES.

I WOULD SAY THREE TO FOUR TIMES A YEAR FROM DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS ABOUT, ABOUT SPEED HOMES.

OKAY.

BECAUSE THERE'S YOUR POINT ABOUT THIS SURVEY SIGNATURES? NO ONE SSI YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT IN THE CLIMATE.

PEOPLE WERE FIRST THING, THE, THE VOLUNTEER NEIGHBORS TO SOLICIT THE SIGNATURES.

THAT'S ONE THING.

AND THEN PEOPLE SIGNING A PIECE OF PAPER AND NOT KNOWING WHERE THE PIECE OF PAPER IS, CAN END UP WITH THEIR PEOPLE ARE BECOMING VERY, VERY, VERY SENSITIVE TO SUN IS SOMETHING THAT THEY SEE IT BOAT THAT GOES TO THE GOVERNMENT.

YOU KNOW, THEY, THERE WAS ALL IN ONE BIG, ONE BIG GENERATION.

SURE.

SO THAT, BUT ALSO EVEN, EVEN IF WE, WHICHEVER WAY WE GO, UM, THERE WAS STILL HAD TO BE A DETERMINATION.

I MEAN, TRAFFICKING WOULD STILL HAVE TO GET INVOLVED, UH, TRANSPORTATION TO GET SOMEBODY TO ASK FOR FOOD AND SPEED HUMPS ON THAT STREET.

THAT NECESSARILY TO ME, EVEN THOUGH THIS PROGRAM DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY AUTOMATICALLY GET SPEED.

THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME WORK TO JUMP IN HERE, BUT I KNOW THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME WORK THROUGH TRANSPORTATION AND STREETS.

IT JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO SPEED HUMPS,

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I DON'T, YOU KNOW, FROM WORD OF MOUTH THAT MEAN I GET SPEED HUMPS.

THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THERE.

THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH LITTLE PROCESS.

YEAH.

AND THEY, UM, BRIAN LOOKS UP, IT'S A 500 FOOT DISTANCE FROM THE SPEED HUMP, UNLESS THE STREET CONTINUES INTO THE NEXT BLOCK, THEN YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE THE STREET, THE SURVEY DOWN THE STREET, THERE'S GENERALLY THREE REQUIREMENTS.

ONE WHEREVER, WHEREVER THE SPEED HUMP IS PLACE THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO IT, HAVE TO AGREE.

THE SECOND IS IT'S WITHIN 500 FEET.

UM, WELL, IT'S, IT'S THE ENTIRE BLOCK OR WITHIN 500 FEET.

MEANING IF IT'S THAT THEY'RE BLOCK AND 500 FEET GOES INTO THE NEXT BLOCK, THEN IT'S ALSO THAT, THAT BLOCK.

AND SO THAT'S THE, THE THIRD REQUIREMENT AND IT'S, IT'S INTENTIONALLY A PRETTY ONEROUS PROCESS SO THAT, UM, YOU GOT TO CREATE NEIGHBORHOOD BUY-IN AND THAT WE DON'T JUST GO BUILD A WHOLE BUNCH OF SPEED HUMPS OUT WHERE THEY DON'T NEED TO BE.

SO ONCE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED, TRANSPORTATION DOES TRAFFIC STUDIES TO TEST THE SPEEDS.

AND, UM, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE AROUND THE SPEED HUMP AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY ONEROUS PROCESS, BUT IT'S ONLY SEVEN FIFTY SEVEN HUNDRED, SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY GET IN SIGNATURES.

IF ONE GUY WANTS TO PAY 750, AND I BET YOU, HE CAN'T GET ALL OF THOSE SIGNATURES.

MY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE BY AND LARGE, THEY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ON THE BLOCK THAT HAS 700 BUCKS TO PUT UP FOR THIS.

SO THEY, THE STOPPING POINT FOR MY NEIGHBORHOODS AND THIS ISN'T TRUE CITYWIDE, BUT IT IS, IT IS TRUE IN MY NEIGHBORHOODS W WHICH ARE DEMOGRAPHICALLY MORE CHALLENGED.

UM, IT IS THE DOLLARS CAUSE SIGNING.

THAT MEANS I AGREE TO CHIP IN TO PAY FOR THIS, AND THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY.

SO THE, THE FUNDING, ALL THE OTHER PROCESSES NEED TO STAY IN PLACE.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE SOME STREETS NOT QUALIFIED BECAUSE, UM, FIRETRUCKS AND AMBULANCES NEED TO BLAST DOWN THEM REALLY FAST AND THERE DOES NOT QUALIFY.

SO THERE ARE ONLY SOME STREETS, RESIDENTIAL STREETS THAT WOULD EVEN BE APPROVED FOR A STREET HUMP THROUGH OUR PROCESS.

BUT, UM, THE, THE STOPPING POINT AND WHAT I KEEP BUMPING INTO IS I HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE JUST DESPERATE AND THEY'VE GOT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, JUST SPEEDING THROUGH, CRASHING INTO CARS ON EITHER SIDE.

THIS IS HAPPENING A LOT.

UM, AND THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO EVEN DO THIS PROCESS.

SO I'M LOOKING FOR A SANE FUNDING PROCESS.

AND SINCE WE USED TO DO IT THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY, UM, I JUST THOUGHT MAYBE WE SHOULD UNWIND AND GO BACK TO THE WAY WE DID IT BEFORE, BUT SCOTT, UM, I'M HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING YOUR, YOUR OPTION B WE DON'T JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROCESS SET UP RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S CORRECT.

WE DO NOT.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO SET UP A SEPARATE AVENUE FOR THAT.

WELL, I THINK THE TRANSPORTATION PROCESS, THE SURVEY AREA THAT WOULD ALL REMAIN THE SAME.

UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST, I, AND I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SURVEY THING SAYS, BUT IF IT SAYS THAT YOU NEED TO CHIP IN, AND WHAT I'M SUGGESTING WITH OPTION B IS THAT IT WOULDN'T SAY THAT ANY LONGER THAT THE COST OF IT WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF BY THE CITY.

UM, SO THEY TURN IN THEIR, THEIR SURVEY, UM, WITH ALL THE SIGNATURES AND THEY'VE DONE ALL THAT WORK.

THEN THE PAYMENT FOR IT IS HANDLED INTERNALLY.

WE WOULD BE INSTALLING IT ANYWAY, THAT WOULD BE SORT OF ONE PUTTING IT MONEY IN ONE POCKET AND PUT IT IN THE OTHER.

UM, SO I AM NOT EXACTLY SURE OF THAT WORK, BUT IT'D BE, IT'D BE VERY SIMPLE, I THINK, TO, TO SET UP, UM, INTERNALLY HOW, UM, HOW TO PAY FOR THAT $700 OR, OR CHARGING INTO IT IN A CALENDAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT, BUT THE MAIN THOROUGHFARES, LIKE WESTERN LAWLER, THOSE ARE, YOU CAME, YOU DON'T NAME THE STREET TYPES, BUT LIKELY NOT, BUT THOSE ARE MAIN THOROUGHFARES.

YEAH.

OKAY.

I'M WONDERING, GIVEN THE NUMBER OF CALLS I GET EVERY WEEK FROM PEOPLE WHO WANT STRAIGHT ON, I'M JUST WONDERING HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD BE BLOWING OUT THE DOOR IF THIS WAS OPEN TO THE WHOLE CITY, UM, AND SAY FREE STRAIGHT HOMES, JUST GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF, UM, MAKING IT MORE OF A SIMPLE PROCESS LIKE THAT WOULD ALMOST BE OPENING A PANDORA'S BOX.

WELL, I THINK AGAIN, THE BIG HURDLE IS GOING TO BE THE EXISTING PROCESS TO QUALIFY FOR A SPEED HUMP.

THAT'S GOING TO WEED MOST OF THE PEOPLE OUT NOW, I THINK WHAT SCOTT'S, IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, SCOTT,

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BASICALLY THEY GO THROUGH THAT SAME PROCESS.

BUT ON THE APPLICATION FORM, WE PUT A BOX WHERE YOU SAY, CHECK HERE, IF YOU NEED HELP WITH COMING UP WITH THE $700 TO ACTUALLY PAY FOR THE SPEED HUMP.

AND THEN SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT BUILDING A NEW PROCESS.

IT'S JUST USING THE EXISTING PROCESS.

AND THEN WE SORT OF QUALIFY THEM FOR HELP TO PAY FOR IT.

IF THEY QUALIFY FOR THE SPEED HUMP AFTER ALL THE, AFTER ALL THAT WORK, WHO WOULD NOT, IF THERE'S A CHECK BOX TO SAY, DO YOU WANT TO PAY THIS? OR DO YOU WANT THE CITY TO PAY THIS? WHAT IS THE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A FEW WAYS YOU COULD DO THAT.

ONE IS OKAY, IS THE STREET IN A LOW-INCOME CDBG CENSUS TRACT? THAT'S WE USE THAT FOR CRITERIA FOR OTHER STUFF.

SO YOU QUALIFY BECAUSE YOU'RE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S LOW TO MODERATE INCOME, UH, THAT COULD BE AN EASY WAY TO QUALIFY.

UM, THEY COULD SUBMIT, THIS WOULD BE A LOT MORE ONEROUS FOR THEM, BUT SUBMIT KIND OF INCOME VERIFICATION FOR THE AREA.

I DON'T KNOW.

THERE'S, THERE'S, THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT.

IT JUST, ARE YOU IN A CENSUS, A CDBG CENSUS TRACT.

AND IF YOU ARE THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU QUALIFY FOR THE, FOR THE ASSISTANCE, WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT WITH SIDEWALKS AND WE COULDN'T, WE COULDN'T, WE COULDN'T DO, WE COULDN'T MAKE IT A, UM, EIGHT LEVEL THING LIKE WE DO AT SIDEWALKS WITH SENIORS AND DISABLED AND CDBG AND HOMEOWNER EXEMPTION, HOMESTEAD, EXEMPTION, UM, BUT, UH, JUST, UH, A BLACK AND WHITE.

IF IT'S A AREA, THEN THEY ARE NOT CHARGED FOR STRAIGHT HOMES.

IF THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, THAT WOULD SEEM FAIRLY CLEAN, EASY TO IMPLEMENT.

YEAH.

UM, JUST STAY WITH THAT.

IF WE'RE GOING TO MODIFY, GOING BACK TO THE CITY, TAKING, TAKING CARE OF THEIR 700, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG CHANGE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY? I'D LIKE TO SEE US GO ALL OR NONE.

I WANT TO SEE TWO BOXES ON THAT TO SAY, OH, DO YOU WANT IT FREE OR CHECK? IF YOU CAN.

AND THEN YOU SUBMIT, YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT PROOF OF INCOME AND ALL OF THAT.

I THINK THAT'S TRUE ONLY AS FOR NOT ONLY AFRICANS, BUT FOR SCOTT CHIEF OF STAFF THAT THAT'S THANK YOU, KEVIN, GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT.

I DON'T, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S A LIMITED NUMBER.

THERE'LL BE A LIMITED NUMBER OF DOLLARS ANYWAY.

OKAY.

SO I THINK WE EITHER ALL IN OR NANNY AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE GOT TO STOP PUTTING BOXES AND CONDITIONS THAT THAT'S, I THINK THAT'LL MAKE THE PROCESS TOO ONEROUS.

I'M GOOD WITH GOING STRAIGHT WITH, AND THEN THAT SCOTT AND HIS TEAM MANAGE THAT, YOU KNOW, SO MATT, IF WE DO IT FOR SIX MONTHS, HE COMES BACK AND GIVES US THIS FEEDBACK AND SAY, IT IT'S THE SAME WORK IN, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.

BUT MY BOTTOM LINE IS I LIKE TO, FOR US TO BE ALEX, CISCO, ALL IN ON WITHOUT ALL OF THE, SO NOT EVEN CDBG, WHICH IS A VERY, VERY SPECIFIED AREA.

SO YOU DON'T WANT THE CDBG TO HAVE A, A CATEGORY OF ITS OWN LIKE WE DO WITH SIDEWALKS.

NO.

YEAH.

I'M, I'M JUST FEELING THE TEMPERATURE.

THE MORE BOXES WE START DROPPING INTO, IF WE WANT TO TEST THIS AND SEE HOW IT GOES, AND THEN COME BACK, WE VISITED IT, SAY I'M JUST SELLING EXCEPT ACCEPTED, SAY SIX MONTHS OR 10 MONTHS THEY OKAY.

IF IT'S NOT WORKING OR NO, BUT YOU'VE HAD PEOPLE WHO WERE FINE, BUT THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO DO IT.

THEN I THINK WE CAN DO MODIFICATIONS, BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT IF WE GOT TO CHANGE IT, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE ROLL UP BIG CLEAN, RATHER THAN HAVING A BUNCH OF STUFF.

AND THEN MADAM CHAIR, IF WE WANT TO GO CDBG OR LOOK AT THAT PIECE DOWN THE ROAD.

YEAH.

I WOULD RATHER GO THE OTHER WAY, BECAUSE IF YOU, IF YOU SAY IT'S OPEN TO EVERYBODY AND THEN YOU TAKE IT BACK FROM THEM, THAT MAKES THEM MAD.

IF YOU START, IT'S NOT THAT YOU CAN'T, IT'S LIKE TAKING A BREAK THE BOTTLE FROM THE BABY, BABY, GET SMACKED.

SO, BUT LIKE I SAID, SO I'M SAYING IF WE START WITH THE CDBG AND THEN WE SEE HOW IT GOES, WE COULD ENLARGE IT.

BUT I THINK IF WE START WITH, IT'S OPEN TO EVERYBODY ALL OVER THE CITY, AND THEN WE SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, THAT'S GOING A LITTLE CRAZY.

WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE IT BACK IN AND SAY ONLY CDBG AREAS.

UM, I'M CONCERNED, RIGHT? I MEAN, I'M GOOD EITHER WAY, BUT WHICHEVER WAY WE GO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHEN WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT 700, YOU CAN DO IT AND THEN DO YOU WANT TO PAY

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THAT? BUT NOW I'M GOOD.

IF YOU W IF YOU WANT TO START SMALL AND THEN GO UP, I MEAN, GOT IT EITHER WAY, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT A LOT OF BOXES TO CHECK AND A BUNCH OF WORK IN THE STAFF OR FOR THEM.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

NO, SCOTT DOES LOOK LIKE HE HAS A LOT OF TIME ON HIS HANDS SINCE HE'S GETTING ALL THESE KUDOS.

SO MAYBE WE SHOULD FILL UP HIS SCHEDULE.

UM, COUNCILMAN VERA, DID YOU HAVE A, I AGREE WITH YOU'RE SAYING, OKAY, SO SMALL.

OKAY.

AND THEN GO LARGE.

IS THAT GOING TO PRETEND BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT LIKE COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS SAYING, OR MAYOR PRO TEM, I'M SORRY.

UH, QUITE HAPPENED.

SHE IS.

IT'S LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, AND WHAT HE'S SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE, WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE MAD AT US IF WE DO ALL AT ONCE.

SO I THINK WE SHOULD GO SHORT, SMALL, AND THEN WE CAN OPEN IT UP.

YEAH.

I'M NOT HEARING COMPLAINTS FROM NORTH GARLAND AND FROM HR WAYS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO HAVE STREET HUMPS, THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THEY GET THERE THREE TIMES.

YEAH.

SO IT'S THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T HAVE THE MONEY AND IT'S ELDERLY NEIGHBORHOODS.

THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THAT.

I AM INITIALLY MORE CONCERNED WITH THE ONES THAT I THINK ARE IN FINANCIAL DISTRESS THAN I AM SAYING CITYWIDE.

SO, UM, HAVE YOU BEEN EVEN ABUSED? YOU PAY SEVEN 50.

SOMEBODY WANTS TO PAY SEVEN 50 THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN THAT EVERYBODY'S GOT TO PITCH IN SO MUCH, BUT THAT CAN ALL BE CHANGED.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PAY 7 51 GUY, YOU KNOW, IN THE STREET, WELL, I THINK ALL OF THE OTHERS SHOULDN'T BE WHEN THEY SIGNED THE PAPER, THEY SHOULDN'T BE LIABLE FOR IT.

RIGHT.

IN CASE THERE'S GOT RENEGES OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M DRIVING AT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO HELP NEIGHBORHOODS.

SURE.

YOU KNOW, I'M ONE OF THEM, WHEN I MOVED TO MY DISTRICT, I GOT SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU LIVED IN THERE HELPING THEM.

I'M TRYING TO CLEAN MINE.

I GET A COUPLE OF FINAL THOUGHTS.

THE, UH, ONE IS THAT I THINK I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THE CENSUS TRACT, CDBG CENSUS TRACKS, AND THEN LET YOU ALL LOOK AT IT AS WELL.

SO MAYBE WE COME BACK ON THIS SIDE AND BRING YOU THE MAPS.

CAUSE THERE, THERE MAY BE AREAS THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT HAVE REQUESTED SPEED BUMPS THAT MAYBE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN THERE.

AND SO LET'S, LET'S ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE MAP TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS WHAT WE'RE THINKING IN OUR HEAD RIGHT NOW.

UM, NOW THAT WILL, THE MAP WILL CHANGE PROBABLY NEXT YEAR, BASED OFF OF THE 20, 20 CENSUS DATA.

THEY HAVEN'T, THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET, BUT IT WILL SOON.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO MENTION IS THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE MOBILITY COMMITTEE IS LOOKING AT SPEED HUMPS RIGHT NOW FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, NOT A FUNDING MODEL, THE FUNDING SIDE OF IT, BUT, UM, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE CHANGING WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, HOW THEY LAY OUT, UM, WHERE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS RIGHT NOW.

SO I THOUGHT I'D JUST MENTIONED THAT THESE, IF WE CAN RUN THESE TWO IN PARALLEL AND KIND OF COORDINATE A LITTLE BIT THERE, IT MIGHT BE WORTH OUR WHILE.

SO, UM, BUT WE, WE CAN COME BACK WITH THE MAPS AND LET YOU ALL LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE GOOD TO MOVE AHEAD IF THAT SOUNDS OKAY.

THAT SOUNDS FINE TO ME.

AND, UM, I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE CURRENT CDBG MAP FOR MY DISTRICT, BUT CERTAINLY NOT FOR THE CITY AT LARGE.

SO, AND A GREAT AMOUNT OF MY DISTRICT IS ACTUALLY IN THERE AND A GREAT AMOUNT OF DISTRICT FIVE.

AND I THINK DISTRICT SIX AND PORTIONS OF DISTRICT FOUR.

THAT'S GOOD.

THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, JADE.

I'M GOOD FOR ANOTHER THING THAT, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BRING IT BACK, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE AFTER WE CONSIDER IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE STREET PLANS, LONG, SHORT TERMS, EVEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE MAPS, YOU, YOU DON'T WANT TO DROP SPEED HUMPS ON, ON THE STREET.

IF, IF STEVE, STEVE HAS IT IN THIS PACKAGE, WE'RE GOING TO GO IN AND REDO THE STREETS.

YOU KNOW, IT GOES DOWN BOTH ABOVE GROUND AND ON THE GROUND WHERE YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PUT A SPEED UP THERE.

SO THERE, THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE, UH, LOOKED AT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT IS PART OF THEIR PROCESS AS PART OF THE PROCESSES THAT, UH, I BELIEVE ONE OR NO, TWO OR THREE SPEED BUMPS ON MARK CAS.

I THINK THAT THAT WAS DONE BY THE CITY.

YEAH.

BECAUSE, BECAUSE

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WE WERE HAVING RACIST ON MARQUEZ FROM CHILO TO JUPITER AND THEY PUT THOSE PIZZA BONE-ON-BONE THERE.

THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

THERE ARE SOME MAIN STREETS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO THAT.

YEAH.

AND THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES LIKE ON THAT STREET AND OTHERS THAT THE CITY INITIATES IT AND, YOU KNOW, IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THAT EYES AND EARS OF OUR RESIDENTS HELP GUIDE OTHERWISE.

THAT'S WHAT WE RELY ON BETWEEN, ON LAWLER BETWEEN JUPITER TO YALE AND YALE TO PLANO ROAD AS WIDE OPEN.

AND THEY HAVE RACES OVER THERE.

AND THEN ON THE CORNERS OF YALE AND LAWLER, THEY DO THE, THEIR LITTLE SPINS THEM, YOU KNOW, AVENUE H BY CENTRAL PARK HAD THE SAME THING.

AND WE, WE PUT IN SPEED HUMPS THERE BECAUSE IT WAS A TOTAL RACETRACK.

SO, YEP.

UM, DID WE HAVE OTHER COMMENTS I WANTED TO ASK SCOTT, IF WE, IF WE LOOK AT, UM, TAKING YOUR OPTION B AND MAKING THIS A SEPARATE COMPLETELY ASIDE FROM REGULAR NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY GRANTS, UM, WOULD THIS HAVE A, A PROGRAM NAME? WOULD THIS BE STREET CALMING? I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA, IF WE, IF WE CARRY THROUGH WITH THIS AND WE COME BACK AND WE MAKE A DECISION, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF IDENTIFYING FACTOR AND STREET CALMING IS, IS THE PHRASE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO USE RATHER THAN SPEED HUMPS, BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, SPEED CALMING, UM, THINGS THAT ARE INTERESTING, UM, THAT ARE OUT THERE.

AND SOME OF THEM ARE, UM, THERE ARE REMOVABLE SPEED HUMPS, WHICH ARE AN INTERESTING THING.

THERE ARE ACTUAL STRIPING THAT MAKES PEOPLE HAVE THIS SENSATION OF SPEED THERE'S SIGNAGE THERE'S.

SO HAVING, HAVING A PROGRAM UMBRELLA, MAYBE YOU CAN THINK UP A, A KICKY NAME FOR US AND BRING IT BACK TO US NEXT TIME WHEN I WILL HAVE A PAUL LEWD KEY COME NEXT TIME AS WELL.

AND YOU GUYS CAN PROBABLY TALK OFFLINE ABOUT SOME OF THOSE OPTIONS TOO.

OKAY.

I HAVE SPENT MANY LONG HOURS WITH PAUL LUKEY TALKING ABOUT SPEED, CALMING OPTIONS.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

UH, COMMITTEE, ARE WE, ARE WE GOOD WITH HAVING THIS, UM, SPINNING THIS BACK, BRINGING IT BACK AND GET HEARING, GET LOOKING AT THE MAPS, HEARING WHAT, UM, BRAINSTORMS THAT SCOTT COMES UP WITH IN THE INTERIM.

AND, UH, AND THEN SEE IF, IF BRIAN AND JUDD COME UP WITH ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, SHOOT THEM DOWN, MODIFY THEM, WHATEVER THAT WORK.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

YES.

OH, OKAY.

SO LAST BUT NOT LEAST ITEM FOUR, DISCUSS THE REGULATION OF FOOD TRUCKS AND TRAILERS.

THIS WOULD BE RICK BARKER.

THANK YOU, SCOTT.

THANK YOU, SCOTT.

I LOVE MATRIX.

THANK YOU.

MADAM CHAIR, COUNCIL, UH, RICK BARKER DIRECTOR OF CODE COMPLIANCE.

UH, AS YOU RECALL, UH, THE TASK WE WERE GIVEN AT THE LAST MEETING WAS TO COME BACK WITH A POSSIBLE MATRIX OF A CURRENT CITY ORDINANCES AROUND OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES.

UH, SO WE'VE DONE THAT FOR YOU TONIGHT, AND, UH, I DO HAVE AN ACTUAL HARD COPY FOR YOU, UH, IF THAT MIGHT HELP YOU SEE THAT BETTER.

UM, BUT ANYWAY, BASICALLY, UH, THE, THE MATRIX INCLUDES, UH, JUST SOME COMMON REGULATION VARIABLES, UH, THAT WE SAW ACROSS THE CITY ORDINANCES THAT WERE REVIEWED.

AND THEN, UM, THOSE ARE AT THE TOP HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE.

UH, THERE'S ABOUT 12, UH, COMMON REGULATION VARIABLES THAT WE POINTED OUT THAT WE THOUGHT WERE, WERE, UH, VERY PERTINENT TO THIS TOP SITUATION.

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AND THEN ALSO, UH, IN YELLOW OR PRETTY MUCH THE SUGGESTED ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS THAT WE AT GARLAND MIGHT WANT TO INCORPORATE.

AND I KNOW THAT'S YOUR DECISION.

UH, IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION AT THIS POINT, IF WE WANT TO GO THIS ROUTE, UM, I'VE ALSO INCLUDED HERE, UM, OUR CITY DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, UH, WHICH WE CURRENTLY HAVE SOME REGULATIONS THAT ARE PERFORMED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT DURING THEIR PERMITTING PROCESS.

SO I'VE INCLUDED THOSE AS WELL, JUST TO GIVE US A COMPARISON OF WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE MIGHT WANT TO GO.

UM, IF YOU GO ACROSS THE TOP OF THE MATRIX, UH, WE, WE LOOKED AT HEALTH PERMITS, UH, ADDITIONAL PERMITS, UH, ACCESSORY LAND USE, UH, RESTROOMS AND PRIMARY BUILDINGS DISTANCES THAT, THAT, UM, THESE, UH, MOBILE FOOD UNITS, UH, WOULD BE, UH, LIMITED TO BE WITHIN, UH, BY FEET, UH, CONSENT OF THE OWNERS AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, POSSIBLE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE ALLOWED TO BE ON, UH, ON THESE PROPERTIES AS AN ACCESSORY USE, UH, THE ACCESSORIES THAT ARE ALLOWED LIKE TABLES, CHAIRS, LIGHTS, UM, SIGNAGE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

UH, THE HOURS OF OPERATION, UM, A LOT OF THE CITIES DO LIMIT THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR MOBILE FOOD UNITS, UH, AT A, AT, AT SOMEONE'S PROPERTY, UH, A, UH, UH, COMISARY, UH, COMMISSARY TOP SITUATION, UH, REQUIREMENT THAT THEY, UH, EACH DAY GO BACK TO THEIR, TO THEIR GROUND ZERO, UH, AND UNLOAD, CLEAN SANITIZE, UH, RESTOCK, UH, WHATEVER IS A REQUIREMENT.

ALSO ZONING DISTRICTS, UH, MOST CITIES DO REQUIRE, UH, UH, AND ALLOW THESE IN, IN, IN NON-RESIDENTIAL AREAS PRIMARILY, UH, UH, THE, UH, THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, UH, UH, MAKE SURE THEY ARE, UH, UH, MOBILE, UH, SELF-CONTAINED UNIT, AND THEN ALSO PARKING GUIDELINES.

UM, MOST OF THE PARKING GUIDELINES THAT WE SAW ACROSS THE BOARD AND RELATED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, FIRE, FIRE LANES, UH, PARKING SPACES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

UH, AND THEN, UH, AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, UH, DOWN AT THE CITY OF FORT WORTH IS IF YOU SEE A HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, UH, THEY WERE ABOUT THE ONLY CITY THAT REALLY SPECIFIED, UH, BASICALLY BEING ON AN IMPROVED SURFACE.

UM, SO THAT THAT'S, I THOUGHT WAS AN INTERESTING, UM, UH, REGULATION THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME, UH, TO ME, YOU DON'T WANT FOOD TRUCKS AND FOOD TRAILERS OUT THERE RUNNING UP THE GROUNDS AND CAUSING, CAUSING A MESS.

BUT, UH, BUT ANYWAY, UM, I KNOW DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM WILLIAMS HAD HAD REQUESTED, UH, FROM THE LAST MEETING THAT WE RANKED THESE BASICALLY, UM, WE DIDN'T RANK THEM, BUT WE JUST BASICALLY TOOK, TOOK A HYBRID OF EACH ONE AND KIND OF GAVE A SUGGESTION OF AN AREA THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO INCORPORATE, UH, AS A REGULATION.

UH, BUT IF I WERE TO RANK ALL THESE CITIES, THAT THE NUMBER ONE, UH, ORDINANCE THAT I FELT LIKE, UM, IT WAS VERY, UH, WELL-WRITTEN, UM, IT WAS VERY FAIR, UH, AND, AND VERY, UH, SPECIFIC WAS THE CITY OF FORT WORTH, UH, VERY WELL-WRITTEN, UH, DOCUMENT, UH, AND, AND COVERED A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT I BELIEVE WE ARE.

WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UH, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT YOU WANT TO GO.

UM, UH, JIM IS NOT HERE TONIGHT.

UH, DID, UH, VISIT WITH JIM ABOUT THIS, UH, JIM HAWK, UH, ABOUT A POSSIBILITY OF ADDING, UH, AN ADDITIONAL PERMIT TO THIS SITUATION.

UH, CURRENTLY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UM, ISSUES, A HEALTH PERMIT FOR THESE MOBILE FOOD UNITS AND TRAILERS.

UH, SO ONCE THEY, ONCE THEY ARE INSPECTED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WE FILL OUT THEIR, THEIR THEY'RE A SAFE UNIT.

UH, I GUESS THE, THE CONCERN NOW IS WHERE THEY GO REGULATING WHERE THEY'RE AT, UM, WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WHERE THEY'RE AT, UH, AND, AND HOW LONG THEY'RE DOING IT.

SO, UH, ANOTHER INTERESTING SITUATION THAT I THOUGHT WAS, UH, VERY PERTINENT WAS, UH, I LIKED FORT WORTH, UM, ADDITIONAL PERMIT.

THEY CALL IT A VENDOR CEO.

UH, SO BASICALLY IT'S BASICALLY ANOTHER PERMIT, BUT THE, UH, BUT THE MOBILE FOOD UNIT VENDOR WOULD BE REQUIRED TO, UM, GO GET A VENDOR CEO, UH, WHICH WOULD INCORPORATE AN APPLICATION PROCESS.

AND THEN THEY WOULD ALSO INCLUDE IN THAT APPLICATION PROCESS, A SITE PLAN OF THE PROPERTY, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY AND MAKING SURE THEY'RE NOT BLOCKING FIRE LANES, THEY'RE NOT TAKING UP SPACES, IT'S A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR BOTH PEDESTRIANS AND VEHICLE TRAFFIC.

SO

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AGAIN, THAT'S JUST SOME, SOME TIDBITS THAT I WANTED TO SHARE IT WITH YOU.

UH, I HOPE THIS MEETS THE NEED IN THE, IN THE REQUEST THAT WAS MADE FOR US TO COME BACK WITH THE ANALYSIS OF THE CITY'S ORDINANCES.

UM, I DIDN'T GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL.

UM, JUST SOME YES, YES.

AND THOSE, UH, THE NAS ON HERE BASICALLY MEANT THAT IT WAS EITHER NOT APPLICABLE OR IT WAS NOT FOUND IN THE ORDINANCE REVIEW.

UM, SO, UH, SOMETIMES, UH, IT MAY NOT BE THERE.

UM, IT MAY BE AN INTERPRETATION, UM, UH, THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE ORDINANCE, BUT ANYWAY, UM, UM, MOST OF THE CITIES DO REQUIRE DISTANCES FROM, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE AN EXAMPLE, THE, UM, THE MINIMUM OF 500 FEET.

UM, ONE, ONE OTHER INTERESTING SITUATION IS WE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, SAGAR MALL, WHICH I KNOW IS, UH, IS, IS A CONCERN, UH, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE OUT THERE.

UH, IF YOU NOTICE, IF YOU RECALL, THEY ARE LOCATED NEAR THE STREET NEAR JUPITER.

UM, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU WERE TO MEASURE FROM WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED TO THE MAIN BUILDING, IT'S ABOUT 400 FEET.

SO THEY WOULD STILL BE BASED ON, UH, IF WE WENT WITH A 500 FEET, UM, REQUIREMENT, THEY WOULD STILL BE IN, IN, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT.

SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A PERSPECTIVE OF, OF THE DISTANCE, UH, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO, UH, BUT ANYWAY, UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR HAVE COMMENTS.

UM, UH, WE GO, GO AHEAD, SIR.

I LIKED THAT VENDOR CEO THAT FOR THEFT, BECAUSE LIKE, UH, ON, UH, APOLLO IN JUPITER, THEY DON'T HAVE NO CEO'S.

AND ON THAT, UM, CARWASH, THE GUY DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE NOTHING CORRECT.

UM, THE GUY THAT HAS THAT CARWASH, THEY'RE GOING TO PERMIT SUP FOR CARWASH, BUT NOT NOTHING FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT DOWN, CORRECT.

IF, IF W MOVING FORWARD, IF WE, AND I'M JUST OFFERING A SUGGESTION, IF YOU DO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE AT, AT, AT A PROPERTY AS AN ACCESSORY TYPE USE, UM, IF YOU, IF YOU GO AS AN EXAMPLE, IF YOU GO MORE THAN TWO, TWO UNITS AT ONE PROPERTY, THEN WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT INCORPORATING SOME TYPE OF, UH, FOOD, TRUCK PARK, FOOD TRUCK, UM, PROPERTY, UH, THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME.

YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO GO PROBABLY THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS TO REZONE SOMETHING, UH, MAYBE ESTABLISH AN ORDINANCE.

AND, YOU KNOW, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING AT THIS TIME TO, TO ADDRESS THAT.

BUT, UM, THE OTHER ONE IS HERE RESTROOMS, UH, THE, UH, THE, UH, REGULATION, VARIABLE RESTAURANTS AND PRIMARY BUILDINGS.

THAT'S WHAT IF THEY ARE SAY, SELL FRANCE THERE TO CONVENIENCE STORE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO, UH, THEY WOULD NEED TO BE LOCATED WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE FOR THE, UH, THE PATRONS AND THE EMPLOYEES OF THE FOOD UNIT TO BE ABLE TO GO TO A RESTROOM FACILITY RESTROOMS IN THAT CARWASH.

I UNDERSTAND NOTHING, BUT WE COULD, WE COULD, AND THE CORNER WHERE BLOCKS ALL THE TRAFFIC, RIGHT.

AND THAT MIGHT GET INTO A PARTICULAR, UH, SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.

AND IT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT TYPE PERMITTING, UH, TOP SITUATION, UH, AS OPPOSED TO JUST A, YOU KNOW, ONE AND TWO UNIT, UH, SITUATION AT, AT, UH, AND AS AN ACCESSORY USE, UM, MAIN CONCERN WAS PUBLIC SAFETY, AND YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING BESIDES WHAT WE GOT RIGHT NOW.

I THINK THERE'S NO REGULATION AND NOBODY GETS SICK.

SOME CUSTOMERS GET SICK, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO TO COMPLAIN OR ANYTHING? WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

THAT'S MY CONCERN.

UM, BJ, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEAH.

YEAH.

RICK, THANKS.

THANKS FOR THIS INFORMATION.

VERY, VERY GOOD.

UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, UM, WITH THE, UM, VENDOR CEO'S, YOU SAID THAT'LL BE TIED TO LOCATION.

THEY GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS THAT WE ESTABLISH THAT THEY, WHAT THE VENT, WHAT THEY HAVE TO THEN BE

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AT A FIXED LOCATION AND