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HELLO,

[Environmental and Community Advisory Board on October 13, 2021.]

EVERYBODY.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO A ROLL CALL, STARTING WITH YOU, JAMES AND JIM DOBBINS, DISTRICT ONE ACNE DEAN DISTRICT TO UROTHELIAL UPON THOSE STAFF LIAISON COP BRUNCH DISTRICT THREE, PATRICIA HANSON DISTRICT SEVEN, DISTRICT EIGHT.

OKAY.

I THINK WE HAVE A QUORUM.

WE DO SO WE CAN GO OVER THE, HAS EVERYBODY READ THE MINUTES? ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES? NOW I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.

SECOND THIRD VOTE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

GOOD MINUTES.

GOOD AS WRITTEN.

SO WHAT ARE WE DOING TONIGHT? OH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF? SURE.

MY NAME IS PATRICIA HANSON.

I WAS RECRUITED BY ROBERT VERA TO TAKE THIS POSITION.

I ACTUALLY LIVE IN DISTRICT ONE.

I'M ORIGINALLY FROM, UH, CLOSE TO ST.

LOUIS, MISSOURI MOVED HERE AT THE AGE OF 23.

BEEN HERE 40 YEARS HAVE LIVED IN GARLAND, 38 OF THOSE YEARS.

UM, I AM A CO-LEADER FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH GROUP AT NORTH LAKE ESTATES.

I WAS ACTUALLY ON THE TIF NUMBER THREE BOARD.

AND ROBERT SAID, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SWITCH? AND I SAID, YES.

SO HERE I AM.

I'M MARRIED, HAVE A GROWN DAUGHTER, UM, WORKED FULL TIME AS A ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT AND VICE-PRESIDENT OF A, UH, REAL ESTATE COMPANY IN DALLAS.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE YOU GUYS IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH.

GOOD ENOUGH.

PERFECT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

UM, ACTUALLY, UM, HOW SPRINGS MISSOURI? I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL THERE NORTHWEST HIGH SCHOOL.

WHAT YEAR DID YOU GRADUATE? OKAY, WHEN I STARTED HIGH SCHOOL THERE, CAUSE I LIVE IN CEDAR HILL.

YEAH.

I GREW UP IN HOUSE SPRINGS.

YEAH, THAT'S AMAZING.

YEAH.

THAT'S AMAZING.

MY WORLD THAT COMES TO GETTING ARRESTED IN HAZELWOOD.

I WENT FROM ONE EXTREME TO THE OTHER IN HIGH SCHOOL BECAUSE HOW SPRINGS HAD 3,100 KIDS IN THE SCHOOL AT THE TIME, THERE WERE TWO HISPANIC KIDS AND THREE BLACK KIDS.

I WENT TO LITTLE ROCK CENTRAL.

IT WAS THE LARGEST SCHOOL IN THE AREA.

FIRST THAT'S IT'S HISTORICAL.

AND OUR SENIOR CLASS WAS THE FIRST CLASS.

THAT WAS 50% BLACK.

IT WAS, IT WAS FROM JUST ONE WORLD TO ANOTHER.

YEAH.

I DON'T REMEMBER SAYING ANY OTHER NATIONALITIES.

YEAH, YOU'RE OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CORN FIELDS.

PRETTY MUCH FIELDS AND CORPORATES.

I'D LIKE CHICAGO WHERE I GREW UP AS THERE WAS EVERYBODY IN EVERY CLASS.

I MEAN LITERALLY EVERY COUNTRY REPRESENTED.

AWESOME.

I MISSED IT.

THAT'S WHY I MOVED HERE TO BRING MY KIDS HERE.

MY KIDS WERE BORN IN UTAH AND I WAS THAT SAME EXPERIENCE.

SO WE CAME TO TEXAS.

ALL RIGHT.

I THINK ART'S UP, ISN'T IT? YUP.

YUP.

YOU'RE UP ART.

OKAY.

YEAH, GO FOR IT.

HEY SHOES.

ARE THERE IF YOU NEED ONE.

OH, PERFECT.

YES, PLEASE.

WE BRING YOU TO TEARS OR SOMETHING.

WELL, MY NAME'S ART WHEN YOU ALSO I'M THE DIRECTOR OVER ANIMAL SERVICES, UH, KINDA TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY BACKGROUND.

SO I'VE BEEN HERE CITY OF GARLAND FOR 19 MONTHS.

I WORKED FOR THE SPCA OF TEXAS FOR 16 YEARS.

UM, I WAS THE CHIEF INVESTIGATOR ASSIGNED TO THE ANIMAL CRUELTY UNIT AT THE TIME.

UM, I WAS ALSO ASSIGNED TO THE DALLAS COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AS A SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR ASSIGNED TO THEIR ANIMAL CRUELTY UNITS.

UM, AND IN 2011 WE PRETTY MUCH CREATED A TASK FORCE AND DID ANIMAL CRUELTY CASES ALL AROUND NORTH TEXAS.

AND SO I GOT A WIDE VARIETY OF ANIMAL WELFARE EXPERIENCE.

I GOT TO WORK WITH SHELTERS ALL OVER TEXAS, UM, IN GOOD AND IN BAD WAYS.

UM, SO THAT KIND OF LED ME TO WHERE I AM TODAY.

UM, AND NOW KINDA WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT GARLAND ANIMAL SERVICES.

SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE SIX MAJOR COMPONENTS TO ANIMAL SERVICES.

A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW, SO WE HAVE SHELTER OPS, FIELD OPS.

WE HAVE OUR MEDICAL TEAM, WE HAVE COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND WE HAVE A BEHAVIORAL, UH, PROGRAM NOW.

UM, SO, AND WE ALSO CREATED AN ANIMAL

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CRUELTY DIVISION.

UM, ONE THING I NOTICED IN THE CITY OF GARLAND WAS WE WERE GETTING A LOT OF CALLS FOR ANIMAL CRUELTY CASES AND WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THEM, WHICH IS OKAY.

A LOT OF CITIES DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE.

UM, BUT I WAS ABLE TO KIND OF HELP WITH THAT WITH MY KNOWLEDGE AND WERE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CREATING THAT UNIT.

UM, AND NOW WE ANSWER RIGHT AROUND 30 TO 40 CRUELTY CALLS A MONTH.

UM, LAST FISCAL YEAR, WE REMOVED OVER A HUNDRED ANIMALS FROM CRUELTY CASES AND WE'VE ALREADY MADE 11 ARRESTS, SO, YUP.

SO I'LL KIND OF LEAVE IT OPEN FOR ANY KIND OF QUESTIONS AND I'LL ANSWER THEM THE BEST I CAN.

OKAY.

I HAVE NO, YOU GO READY.

NO, YOU RAISED YOUR HAND FIRST.

YOU GO THE BEHAVIORAL ASPECTS OF IT.

SO I KNOW THAT IT'S AN INTAKE OUTTAKE LIKE ANY OTHER PRISON, BUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN ANIMAL AND AN ANIMAL BEHAVIORALIST ON STAFF, ARE THEY MORE APT TO REALLY DIG INTO AN ANIMAL'S BEHAVIORAL PATTERN RATHER THAN JUST SAY, THIS ONE'S A CHILD, THIS ONE'S A ROTTWEILER, THIS ONE'S DISPOSABLE.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND THAT WAS THE GOAL OF HIRING THAT POSITION AND TO NOBODY'S FAULT, WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO REALLY DIVE INTO THAT.

BECAUSE WHEN I HAD, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE THE STAFF TO WORK WITH THEM THAT WAY AND YOUR OWN NOSE.

HE WORKED THERE FOR FIVE YEARS.

IT'S HIGH VOLUME HEIGHTENED INTAKE SHELTER.

SO NOW WE HAVE THIS POSITION THAT FOCUSES STRICTLY ON BEHAVIOR.

AND WHAT WE DO NOW IS WE'LL IDENTIFY WHAT BEHAVIOR THAT IS WHEN THEY COME IN AND THEN WE ENTER A BEHAVIORAL MODIFICATION.

AND SO WE KIND OF PUT HIM THROUGH LIKE A SCHOOLING AND AFTER THE B B MOD IS OVER WITH, THEN WE LOOK AT, OKAY, CAN WE PLACE THEM UP FOR ADOPTION OR ARE THEY ELIGIBLE FOR RESCUE OR DO WE FIND A FOSTER HOME? AND IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.

WE'VE ONLY HAD IT FOR EIGHT MONTHS, BUT IT'S BEEN REALLY SUCCESSFUL.

AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET DOGS OUT.

WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET DOGS ADOPTED AND IT HELPS THE RESCUE GROUPS BECAUSE THEY WANT AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE.

YOU KNOW, ARE THEY DOG REACTIVE? ARE THEY FRIENDLY? AND A HANDLE HOME ENVIRONMENT, CAN THE OTHER FAMILY WITH CHILDREN.

AND SO WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE A LOT OF THESE TESTS FOR THEM.

UM, AND IT'S BEEN REALLY SUCCESSFUL.

IS IT A STANDARDIZED KIND OF, UH, OBSERVATION OR IS IT, IS IT TAILORED TO DIFFERENT? I KNOW GARLAND HAS LIKE A PIT BULL ORDINANCE.

UH, A LOT OF CITIES DON'T HAVE A PARTICULAR PIT BULL ORDINANCE, BUT IT'S IN THE GARLAND CODE SPECIFICALLY.

AND SO THAT THE TAKE A LONGER, PRETTY TIME TO EVALUATE, FOR EXAMPLE, A PIT BULL OR A CHILD OR A ROTTWEILER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR ARE THEY ALL STANDING UP? WELL, IT'S ALL STANDARDIZED.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALL CONTESTED THIS, A LOT OF DOGS THAT COME IN OUR SHELTER ARE PIT BULLS OR PIT BULL MIXES OR GERMAN SHEPHERDS.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE WORK WITH.

THAT'S WHAT WE GET.

UM, AND WE ENJOY WORKING WITH THEM.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE ORDINANCE AGAINST PIT BULLS IN THE CITY OF GARLAND, WE CAN ADOPT, IT REQUIRES A SIX FOOT FENCE.

THAT'S ALL IT IS.

THAT'S THE ONLY REQUIREMENT.

AND BASICALLY THE WAY THAT THE CEDAR CAME UP ABOUT THIS IS, UH, WE, WE DID AN ANALYSIS AND WE REALIZED THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE DOGS ESCAPING WERE PIT BULLS.

SO, SO THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH THAT.

BUT IT'S JUST SPECIFICALLY THAT IF YOU OWN A PIT BULL, YOU GOT TO HAVE A SIX FOOT FENCE.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT, THAT THE ONLY IT WAS SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED, PIT BULLS, DIDN'T MENTION THE OTHER ANIMAL.

YEAH.

OKAY.

SO FOR THE RECORD, AMERICAN BULLDOG, COME JUMP A FIVE FOOT FENCE.

YEAH.

AND WE ALL KNOW OUR STANDARD FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCING HERE IN GARLAND.

AND A LOT OF DOGS JUMPED DOGS EITHER.

SO MORE THAN ANYTHING, IT WAS A WAY TO KEEP THE DOGS WITH THEIR FAMILIES.

UM, LIKE ART MENTIONED, I WORKED AT ANIMAL SERVICES FIVE YEARS AND EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE WOULD SEE 50 ANIMALS COMING THROUGH THE DOORS.

AND A LOT OF TIMES, UH WE'RE WE WERE NOT ABLE TO REUNITE THOSE, THOSE PETS WITH THEIR OWNERS.

SO BY ADDING THE A SIX FOOT FENCE REQUIREMENT THROUGH THE ORDINANCE IS JUST ANOTHER, ANOTHER SAFETY TO JUST BASICALLY KEEP THE PETS AT HOME INSTEAD OF THEM JUMPING THE FENCE, BITING SOMEONE IN OR ENDING UP AT THE SHELTER.

AND WHAT'S THE, UM, THERE USED TO BE, I THINK IT WAS, THERE WAS TWO TIME PERIODS.

ONE WAS A THREE DAY AND ONE WAS A 10 DAY.

WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE EVALUATION ON INTAKES NOW? SO WE PICK UP A STRAY, UH, BAR ORDINANCE.

WE JUST GOT TO HOLD THEM FOR THREE DAYS TO GIVE ANY OWNER A CHANCE TO CLAIM THEM.

NOW, IF WE INTAKE AN ANIMAL AND HE'S MICROCHIP, THEN WE'LL HOLD THEM UP TO EIGHT DAYS.

UH, AND THEN THAT'S HOW WE DETERMINE WHAT THE HOLDS ARE.

AND AFTER THREE DAYS IT IS, AND NOBODY CLAIMS THEM, THEN WE'LL PUT THEM THROUGH OUR EVAL PROCESS AND GET THEM UP FOR ADOPTION AND OR RESCUE.

AND THEN, SO WHAT'S THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF TIME A DOG PICKED UP OFF THE STREET WOULD STAY IN THERE BEFORE HE'S

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PUT DOWN TO MAKE ROOM.

WELL, AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE'RE NOT EUTHANIZING FOR SPACE.

UM, IF WE HAVE TO EUTHANIZE, IT WOULD BE FOR ANY KIND OF BEHAVIORAL CASE OR A QUALITY OF LIFE.

UH, THE WAY WE'VE WORKED IS WE DON'T WANT TO EUTHANIZE FOR SPACE BECAUSE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T WANT TO EUTHANIZE AN ADOPTABLE ANIMAL.

THAT'S THE GOAL IS TO NEVER DO THAT.

SO WE'VE CREATED THE BEHAVIORAL PROGRAM FOR THAT.

UM, AND IF WE HAVE TO EUTHANIZE, THEN WE LOOK AT OUR MEDICAL CASES AND OUR BEHAVIORAL CASES WHERE A DOG MAY HAVE TWO OR THREE BITES, YOU KNOW, WHERE HE'S NOT, UH, SAFE TO PUT OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC.

LET ME ADD ART.

THAT'S BEING TOO MODEST.

OKAY.

THE SHELTER WENT FOR A FEW MONTHS WITHOUT EUTHANIZING.

NOT ALL, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, ONE OR TWO DOGS ACTUALLY WENT EIGHT MONTHS WITH A A HUNDRED PERCENT LIVE RELEASE RATE.

THAT IS UNHEARD OF.

OKAY.

PARTICULARLY FOR SPECIALLY FOR A MUNICIPAL SHELTER, 95%.

EXACTLY.

SO DON'T BE SO MODEST.

SO A LOT OF THAT, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S A LOT OF WORK IN YOUR OWN NOSE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND WE GET A LOT OF, A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, BAD REP FOR THAT.

BUT, AND I TELL MY GUYS, IT'S NOT OUR FAULT BECAUSE WE'RE PICKING UP STRAYS EVERY DAY.

WE GET PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT THEIR ANIMALS AND WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT.

AND OF COURSE, WHEN WE HAVE TO MAKE THOSE TOUGH DECISIONS, OF COURSE, WE'RE THE BAD GUYS.

SO WE LOOKED AT OKAY, INTERNALLY, WHAT DO WE DO TO FIX THAT? AND ONE OF THE THINGS REALLY WAS BUILDING OUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR RISKY GROUPS, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE PULLING FROM OUR SHELTER MORE THAN 50% OF OUR ANIMALS.

AND SO HOW DO WE BUILD THAT NETWORK? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE.

AND A LOT OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE BEHAVIORAL PROGRAM, BECAUSE A LOT OF RESCUES ARE KIND OF HESITANT TO PULL WITHOUT AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE ON THOSE DOGS.

AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GIVE IT TO THEM.

AND SO THAT'S KIND OF BOOSTED OUR RELATIONSHIPS, BOOSTED THE MORALE.

AND SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET A LOT MORE DOGS OUT QUICKLY THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST.

WHY DON'T WE, OR CAN'T WE AUTOMATICALLY MICROCHIP.

I'M LIKE WE SPENT A NEUTRAL, SO WE DO.

SO IF THEY COME INTO THE SHELTER, WE'RE GOING TO AUTOMATICALLY MICROCHIP, ABSOLUTELY INTAKES, ALL INDEXED THAT, THEN I KNOW IT DIDN'T USED TO BE THAT WAY.

NOW WE AUTOMATICALLY DO IT WHEN HAVE THESE CHANGES TAKEN PLACE, BECAUSE I HAVE NOTICED ON NEXT DOOR, IT IS A NIGHTMARE.

PEOPLE THINK THAT THE GARLAND SHELTER IS 99% KILL RATE AND IT'S CHANGED.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS EVER THAT HIGH TO BEGIN WITH, BUT I IT'S CHANGED AND IT'S TURNED AROUND AND IT'S MUCH, MUCH BETTER.

SO WHEN I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS, WHEN DID THIS CHANGE AND NUMBER TWO, HAVE YOU GUYS EVER THOUGHT OF DOING LIKE, OKAY, I LIVE IN NORTH LAKE ESTATES, WHICH IS CASTLE AND CENTERVILLE AND THERE'S STRAYS ALL THE TIME.

I HAVE, I'VE ADOPTED FOUR RIGHT OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE'RE JUST RUNNING FREE.

OKAY.

OVER THE YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED THERE.

BUT THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS WE HAVE BOB HALL PARK RIGHT THERE.

HAVE YOU GUYS EVER THOUGHT ABOUT DOING A MICRO? I MEAN, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOTORIOUS FOR DOGS RUNNING HERE AND THERE AND EVERYWHERE, UM, TO DO, UH, A VENT TO MICROCHIP AND THEY DO IN AND OKAY.

WE DON'T HAVE AN HOA.

OKAY.

AND THE PEOPLE, I'M NOT QUITE SURE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A CRIME WATCH THAT ME AND ANOTHER GAL ARE DOING.

IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE DO THE RIGHT THING WITH THEIR PETS.

YEAH.

AND ABSOLUTELY MATTER OF FACT, UM, WE'RE GOING TO START PROMOTING ON NOVEMBER SIX, WE TEAMED UP WITH THE SPCA TO HOST A FREE VACCINE CLINIC.

UM, IF YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, SPREAD THE WORD AND THEY CAN BRING THEIR DOGS UP THERE, WE COULD MICROCHIP THEM, VACCINATE, GARLAND, UH, GARLAND HIGH SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL IN THE PARKING LOT.

CAN'T MISS US.

THAT'S GOOD.

YEAH.

IS THERE ANYTHING ANYWHERE THAT THAT'S, THAT THAT'S POSTED SO I CAN LIFT THIS OUT AND WE HAVEN'T POSTED IT YET.

UH, WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THE SPCA TO JUST MAKE SURE WE GOT THE DATES NAILED DOWN, BUT WE GOT THE DAY, WE'RE JUST KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH ALL THE TIME.

SO THAT SHOULD HAPPEN THIS FRIDAY.

AND IT WILL POST THAT ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE.

AND YOU GUYS CAN SHARE IT FROM THERE.

I'M NOT SURE EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF THE, THE PEOPLE WORKING WITH THE DOGS.

I KNOW THAT I HAD A NEIGHBOR WHO CALLED SHE WOULD GO OUT IN THE ALLEY AND RATTLED MY FENCE AND MAKE MY DOGS BARK.

I GOT A TWO ACRE BACKYARD.

SO YOU REALLY HAVE TO BEAT THE HELL OUT OF THE FENCE.

THEN THE DOGS BARK SHE'D CALL IT.

SHE HAD A CORDLESS PHONE.

SHE WOULD CALL ANIMAL CONTROL 185 CALLS FROM MY FIRST YEAR OF LIVING THERE.

AND FINALLY THE, MY LITTLER AMERICAN BULL DOG GOT OUT AND CHASED HER DOWN THE ALLEY.

AND SO ANIMAL SERVICES CAME OUT AND COMPLETED THE EVALUATION IN MY HOUSE OF WHETHER OR NOT MY DOG WAS AGGRESSIVE OR NOT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY IS AWARE THAT THEY DO THAT, BUT WHAT A FANTASTIC, BECAUSE WE WERE TO DEATH, SOME IS GOING TO COME TAKE OUR DOG AWAY.

AND HE ENDED UP LAYING ON THE FLOOR AND PLAYING WITH HER.

SHE'S SWEET, BUT SHE DOESN'T LIKE SOMEBODY BANGING THE FENCE.

YEAH.

AND THAT WE GET

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A LOT OF THOSE CALLS.

RIGHT.

AND SO HOW DO WE HANDLE IT? SO WHAT WE DID IS WE HAVE OUR FIELD SUPERVISOR, WE PUT HIM THROUGH TRAINING.

SO NOW HE'S A CERTIFIED, DANGEROUS DOG INVESTIGATOR.

CAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THINGS FOR THESE DOGS, THESE RIGHT THINGS FOR THE PEOPLE, THE OWNERS, UH, BECAUSE THAT IS A, UH, A SAD PROCESS TO GO THROUGH AND HAVING TO PUT SOMEBODY THROUGH THAT AND, AND, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS REVERT BACK TO HERO.

CAUSE HE CAN SHARE THE EXPERIENCES, BUT DEMON, A DOG DANGEROUS IS, IS NO BIG DEAL HERE IN THE CITY OF GARLAND.

AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THINGS.

WHEN WE DO THAT, WHEN WE HAVE TO DO THAT.

AND PATRICIA, WHAT I RECOMMEND IS DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING.

YOU SEE, YOU CAN ALWAYS GO TO THE SOURCE AND I CAN TELL YOU WHEN I WAS SITTING IN HIS CHAIR, THAT'S WHAT I W I WOULD ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE, I WOULD INVITE THEM TO THE SHELTER AND SAY, NO, LISTEN, COME IN.

WE WE'RE, WE'RE PUBLIC SHELTER.

WE CAN'T HIDE ANYTHING FROM YOU, EVEN IF WE WANT TO.

AND NEXT DOOR IS NOTORIOUS, RIGHT? YEAH.

TURN IT OFF.

YEAH.

I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN LOOK AT, LET ME THROW THIS AT YOU.

ALL MY DOGS HAVE COME FROM THE GARLAND SHELTER.

MY FIRST DOGS OUT AFTER THEIR 14 YEARS AGO, THE CONDITION AT THAT TIME, I TOLD EVERYBODY IT WAS LIKE A VIETNAMESE PRISON CAMP.

IT WAS DEPLORABLE.

THE DOGS WERE NOT IN GOOD, NOT IN REAL GOOD SHAPE.

THEY WERE ALL SLEEPING OUTSIDE.

I DOG WAS, WAS DEEMED, HAD BEHAVIORAL ISSUES AND WAS ANTISOCIAL IS GOING TO BE PUT DOWN THAT DAY.

SO I ADOPTED HER.

THANK GOODNESS SHE'S.

BUT, BUT MY OTHER DOGS, SINCE THAT TIME, FIRST ART AND URIEL WERE THERE.

WE TOOK A BIG TOUR OF THE SPCA WITHIN A WEEK AFTER THAT CHANGE HAS STARTED TO TAKE PLACE THAT I COULD SEE JUST READILY.

THEY ALL HAD RAISED BEDS WITHIN A WEEK.

THEY QUIT, THEY USED TO GAS THEM.

AND THAT WAS THE BIG NIGHT WHEN THAT WAS WHEN MAYOR JONES WAS HERE.

THAT WAS ABOUT, HE RAISED WHOLLY YEARS AGO OR SO.

AND THEY QUIT.

THEY QUIT THAT.

SO IT'S BEEN A GRADUAL THING IN THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS.

WHAT'S YOUR NAME? DUFFY MURPHY.

AMY DUMPY.

YEAH.

SHE'S BEEN A REAL BIG BONUS TOO.

SHE'S WITH OUTREACH PROGRAM.

THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF STUFF.

IT'S BEEN GRADUAL AND IT'S BEEN A LITTLE PAINFUL, BUT I MEAN, URIEL WAS THERE ARTS THERE NOW.

I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT HAS COME A WHOLE 360 4.

YEAH.

KEEP IN MIND THAT THAT FACILITY WAS BUILT IN THE FIFTIES WITH THE MENTALITY OF THE FIFTIES.

SURE.

AND SO WE, YOU KNOW, AT A FACILITY LIKE THAT, THAT'S JUST CONCRETE.

YOU CAN'T REALLY MAKE ALL THAT CHANGES, BUT IN YOUR WRITING, THERE'S A BIG SURPRISE COMING PRETTY SOON.

YEAH.

AND THAT SHELTER IS NOT MEANT FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING.

IT'S JUST NOT, I MEAN, WE'RE BRINGING IN ANYWHERE FROM FIVE TO 7,000 ANIMALS A YEAR THROUGH THAT SHELTER.

THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S BUILT FOR, BUT WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT.

AND SO WE'RE WORKING WELL, WE'LL WE HAVE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PIVOT THE BEST WE CAN.

AND MATTER OF FACT, NOW THE CITY, UM, YOU KNOW, WENT AHEAD AND APPROVED THE BOND PROJECT FOR OUR NEW SHELTER, WHICH IS GOING TO BE AMAZING.

IT'S GOING TO BE A STATE-OF-THE-ART FACILITY.

UM, AND I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE BEST SHELTERS IN THE DFW AREA.

UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, WE'RE HAPPY.

WE'RE READY TO MOVE IN.

WE'RE HOPING WE MOVE IN RIGHT AROUND DECEMBER, JANUARY.

UH, YUP.

SO IS THERE A FOSTER PROGRAM FOR ANIMALS THROUGH, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY TYPE OF FOSTER PROGRAM? I KNOW I USED TO FOSTER FOR THE DALLAS SPCA 10, 15 YEARS.

SO WE FINALLY LAUNCHED OUR SHORT TERM FOSTER PROGRAM.

SO WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF BUILD OUR CLIENTELE THAT WAY.

SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, LET ME KNOW.

WELL, GARLAND GROUPS ABOUT THAT WITH SOCIAL MEDIA, SO DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU POSTED ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT THE SHELTER AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE CRANKS OUT, ALL KINDS OF JUST ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE STUFF TO CITE SOME SORT OF, YEP.

I HAD A QUESTION.

UM, SO I ASSUME IT WOULD BE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR ANIMALS OTHER THAN DOGS AND CATS.

YES.

AND WHAT ANIMALS WILL YOU NOT ACCEPT? BUT WE ACCEPT EVERYTHING OTHER THAN LIKE HORSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UH, MATTER OF FACT, WE HAVE A PEACOCK IN OUR SHELTER RIGHT NOW.

YOU CAN'T HAVE A MALE PEACOCK IN THE CITY OF GARLAND.

UM, BUT WE DO ADOPT THEM OUT.

YEAH.

SO WE GET RABBITS, WE GET GUINEA PIGS.

WE'VE HAD A GO, WE'VE HAD PIGS IN OUR SHELTER.

YOU WERE CLOSE TO GETTING A HEDGEHOG, BUT I DID PLACE HER LAST WEEK AS YOU.

YEAH.

I MEAN, HEDGEHOGS.

I MEAN, WE'VE HAD IT ALL BIRDS LIZARDS HERE IN GARLAND GARLAND.

YES.

MA'AM DOWN OFF OF WIND JOYCE.

THERE WAS A GUY THAT HAD ABOUT 50 OR 60 GOATS AND THEY WOULD GET OUT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.

THEY'D RUN THROUGH STEVE STANLEY'S DOGS WENT AFTER THOSE COATS.

IT WAS A BIG PROBLEM EURO.

AND I KNOW ABOUT THAT.

OH YEAH.

WE KNOW THAT GUY VERY WELL.

YUP.

YUP.

SO I LIVE LIKE TWO STREETS OVER AND I REMEMBER LIKE STANDING ON THE PORCH, SIPPING SOME COFFEE AND I'M LIKE, WHAT IS THAT? THAT IS THE UGLIEST DOG I HAVE EVER SEEN GOAT,

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DEAR.

UH, YEAH, YEAH.

YEAH.

HE HAD ALL KINDS OF WEIRD STUFF OVER THERE.

YES.

WE GOT TO HAVE A PERMIT FOR ONE.

WE ONLY ALLOW THE PYGMY GOATS EVEN A LITTLE MORE.

YEAH.

MS. DANE.

OKAY.

SO WE'VE HAD AN ISSUE WITH COYOTES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND LIKE, HOW DO WE REALLY GET SOMEONE TO COME OUT? I HAVEN'T SEEN COYOTES LATELY, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORS WERE PETRIFIED, YOU KNOW, THEY, WE SAW MULTIPLE SIGHTINGS OF THE COYOTES AND WE CALLED, BUT NOBODY EVER REALLY CAME OUT.

SO LIKE, HOW DO WE GET SOMEONE TO COME OUT COYOTES? AND THEN LIKE, UM, SNAKES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

CAUSE I LIVE REALLY CLOSE TO A CREEK.

SO WHAT, WHAT'S THE PROTOCOL? YES.

SO IF YOU HAVE YOUR SEEN COYOTES AND THEY'RE CAUSING A NUISANCE AT YOUR PROPERTY, I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE COYOTES IT JUST DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU LIVE.

YEAH.

THEY'RE HERE AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO AWAY.

I MEAN, WE LIVE WHERE WE HAVE THE CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH MULTIPLE CITIES.

AND SO I CALL IT THE INTERSTATE FOR WILDLIFE.

SO WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE WILDLIFE HERE.

NOW WHAT WE TELL PEOPLE IS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THEM.

NOW, IF THEY'RE CAUSING A NUISANCE, THERE MAY BE TRYING TO GET TO YOUR ANIMALS OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, CALL US.

WE CAN TRAP THEM.

UM, BUT THAT'S THE BEST WE CAN DO FORMAT SNAKES.

IF THEY'RE IN YOUR HOUSE, WE'LL COME RIGHT AWAY.

UM, NOW IF THEY'RE JUST KIND OF OUT THERE ROAMING, I MEAN, YEAH.

SO, UH, BUT YEAH, DEFINITELY.

IF YOU'RE HAVING AN ISSUE WITH CODY'S CALL US, WE CAN GO OUT THERE.

WE'LL LOOK AT YOUR PROPERTY AND SEE IF WE CAN SET A TRAP IN THAT AREA.

UM, WHAT, WHERE DO YOU LIVE? WHAT'S THE AREA, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING? UM, SOME OF THE STATES LIKE CENTERVILLE, UM, GARRISON.

OKAY.

YEAH.

RIGHT WHERE THE TRACKS IS BY THE, UM, SAID, WHY AREN'T YOU IN THE PLANT? SO JUST GIVE US A CALL.

YEAH.

WE'VE LIKE I SAID, WE'VE MADE CALLS BEFORE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND UM, JUST, WE WERE, WE WERE THAT THE MORE NEIGHBORS COMPLAIN ABOUT IT, THEN YOU'RE MORE APT TO COME OUT, YOU KNOW? SO IF YOU CALL US MORE THAN LIKELY WE RESPONDED, BUT BY THE TIME WE GET OUT THERE, I MEAN, FOR US TO CATCH IS, IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

SO THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO CATCH THEM IS THROUGH A TRAP.

I CAN ALSO SEND YOU GUYS ARTS INFORMATION.

ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH.

OKAY.

SO TELL THEM THAT COYOTES ARE NOT AS BIG A CONCERN.

AS PEOPLE MAY KNOW, CLEAN UP THE BIG CLEANUP, THE SCRAP, YOU REALLY WOULD RATHER HAVE THE CATALYST THAN NOT.

YEAH.

AND THEY REALLY A COYOTE VERSUS A DOG.

THE SAME SIZE CODY WILL SHY AWAY FROM IT.

CAUSE THE DOG WOULD BARK AND THEY DON'T LIKE BELKIN BARKING DOGS.

THEY DON'T LIKE TO BE CONFRONTED THERE.

SO THEY'D STAY AWAY FROM EVERYTHING.

THEY'D RATHER AVOID IT.

BOBCAT'S THEY'RE A LITTLE MORE INQUISITIVE.

I GOT A BOBCAT CROSS FOLLOW ME ACROSS THE STREET WITH A BAG OF TRASH WASN'T ADDRESSED.

YEAH.

THEY DO A COYOTE IS, I MEAN, THEY'RE HERE.

THEY'RE THEY GET URBANIZED, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY.

AND SO AT TIMES THEY WILL GET USED TO PEOPLE AND THAT'S WHEN WE NEED TO REALLY STEP IN.

BUT, UM, SO WE, WE HAVE THAT PROBLEM TOO.

WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT FEED RACCOONS AND POSSUMS AND COYOTES AND THEN THAT KIND OF SUCKS THEM IN.

RIGHT.

AND SO A LITTLE GOLF COURSE, THE OLD COUNTRY CLUB I HEARD ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S 190 ACRES OF WILDLIFE RIGHT NOW.

SO WE GET LIKE, NOT ONE SKUNK, BUT LIKE, YOU'LL SEE, LOOK OUT THE WINDOW, TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, YOU'LL SEE A WHOLE FAMILY OF SCARS OR LIKE EIGHT OR NINE RACCOONS TRAVELING TOGETHER.

YEAH.

THEY DON'T COME IN OUR YARD BECAUSE OF THE DOGS.

YEAH.

DO YOU CATCH POSSUMS AS WELL? SO JUST OKAY.

YEAH.

AND POSSUMS THAT ARE GREAT FOR THE ECOSYSTEM, WHICH I TELL PEOPLE THAT.

SO IF YOU DO TRAP A POSSUM, NOW, IF YOU, IF, IF YOU CALL US WITH A TRAP, WHOLESOME, WE'LL COME PICK THEM UP AND WE RELOCATE THEM.

OKAY.

WHAT'S THE LOCATION OF YOUR NEW SHELTER? IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT OFF HIGHWAY 66 IN CENTERVILLE.

YEP.

RIGHT IN THAT AREA.

SO YEAH, MY SON-IN-LAW'S FROM PUERTO RICO AND UH, RECENTLY THEIR DOG CAUGHT A, THEY LIVE IN GARLAND, CAUGHT A POSSUM AND THE DOGS WERE MAKING ALL KINDS OF DOG NOISE BUT SHE'S NOT A FEROCIOUS DOG.

SO HE'S LIKE GETS THE RUBBER GLOVES OUT AND EVERYTHING.

AND HE REACHES DOWN TO PICK THE POSSUM UP BY THE TAIL AND THEY SAW THE EYE MOVE CAUSE IT WAS PLAYING POSSUM.

SO THEN THIS IS THE FIRST FLYING POSSUM BECAUSE HE WAS LIKE, I HAVE A CREEK RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THEIR FENCE, THEY PUT UP CAMERAS AND YOU SEE ALL KINDS OF FANTASIES.

THEY HAVE BEAVERS DOWN IN THE LITTLE GRILL, BEAVERS.

WE HAVE OTTERS.

YES.

THEY HAVE, UM, SOME VERY INQUISITIVE ALZ THAT WANT TO PICK AT THE CAMERAS AND STUFF.

AND A FAMILY OF COYOTES TRAVEL BY.

THEY DON'T REALLY BOTHER ANYBODY OTHER THAN THE SOUND THEY MAKE.

AS ERIE.

WHEN I LIVED DOWN BY THE LAKE, IT'D GET A LITTLE SKETCHY AT NIGHT, YOU'D

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HEAR THE GRASS RUSTLING AND THE HOWLING.

AND STUFF'S JUST GOING TO GO IN THE HOUSE AND THE FIRE TRUCK STARTED UP.

THEY STARTED HOWLING ON IT.

YES, YES.

EVERYTHING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSE WHEN THE FIRE TRUCK GOES.

YEAH.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR ARTS OR ANTIDOTES ART? CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE FERAL CAT PROGRAM? I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING VERY USEFUL FOR THE COMMUNITY.

ABSOLUTELY.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE A HUGE PROPONENT OF TNR AND FERAL CATS IN OUR CITY.

WE HAVE OVER 200 COLONY MANAGERS THAT WE WORK WITH AND WE HAVE ONE VOLUNTEER, UM, WHO HELPS US RUN THAT PROGRAM THAT THE CITY OF GARLAND, OUR ANIMAL STUDIES ACTUALLY FUNDS THE PROGRAM.

UM, AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE BUILD OFF OF THAT? AND SO WHAT WE STARTED IS OUR OWN SNR PROGRAM AS WELL, UM, TO MIRROR OUR TNR PROGRAM.

SO THAT SHELTER KNEW TO RETURN.

AND WHAT WE DID IS WE CREATED AN RTF AS WELL.

SO IF A CITIZEN TRAPS, A FERAL CAT, AND HE'S INTERESTED IN BEING A MANAGER, INTERESTED IN TNR, OUR SHELTER NOW WILL STERILIZE THAT CAT VACCINATED EAR, TAPE IT AND PLACE IT BACK IN THAT AREA FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL.

SO BECAUSE REALLY THE ONLY OUTCOME IS WE HAVE TO EUTHANIZE THEM.

WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

SO HOW DO WE FIX THAT PROBLEM? AND WE CREATED ON SNR PROGRAM AND AS WE MOVE INTO THE NEW SHELTER, WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT DOING MORE, UM, FOR OUR FERAL CATS HERE IN THE CITY, IT IS JUST A, YOUR TIP.

YEAH.

THEY JUST, SO YOU DID THAT, IDENTIFY IT AS A COMMUNITY CAT.

THAT'S WHERE IT IS.

YEP.

YEP.

STREET FIGHTER.

WE HAVE, WE HAVE BOBCAT'S AROUND MY HOUSE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE YOU LOOK IN THE BUSHES AND THE BUSHES ARE LOOKING BACK AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AFRAID OF CATS, BUT ONCE I REALIZED IT WAS A BOBCAT, IT'S LIKE BACK IN THE HOUSE.

YEAH.

RIGHT.

BUT WHAT WOULD YOU SAY THAT LIKE THE TOP THREE TO FIVE REASONS WHY PEOPLE USE YOUR SERVICES LIKE HERE IN GARLAND, LIKE TOP FIVE OR THREE? WELL, I WILL, I WILL SAY TRAPPED ANIMALS, UM, ANIMALS RUNNING AT LARGE.

UM, AND WE DO A LOT OF BITE REPORTS.

SO I THINK THAT'D BE THE TOP THREE.

WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT SERVICE TO MY GRANDDAUGHTER WAS ATTACKED BY THREE DOGS ON THE STREET, TORE UP PRETTY BAD.

AND UM, ANIMAL SERVICES REALLY CAME OUT AND MADE MY DAUGHTER FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THE SERVICE BEING PROVIDED BY THE CITY.

MORE SO THAN ANY OTHER CITY ORGANIZATION, ANIMAL SERVICES REALLY HAD A LOT MORE COMPASSION FOR, RATHER THAN THE POLICE OR JUST DID A REPORT AND SHOOK IT ON OUT THERE BY THE WATER DEPARTMENT.

YEP.

WE SHOULD DO.

YEAH.

AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE NOT SPOKE ABOUT CREATING OUR OWN DISPATCH SYSTEM YET, UNLESS YOU'RE RUNNING A 24 HOUR OPERATION.

IT'S IT'S YEAH.

IT'S TOUGH.

IT'S A WASTE OF RESOURCES BECAUSE WHEN YOU, WHEN HE CLOSES AT SIX O'CLOCK, HE'S GOT TO TRANSFER BACK TO THE WATER DEPARTMENT ANYWAYS.

SO NOW YOU'RE GOING TO CONFUSE PEOPLE EVEN MORE WITH TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS.

AND WHAT ARE THE HOURS FOR PICK UP FOR AN ANIMAL? WELL, WE WORK 7:00 AM ALL THE WAY UP TO 10:00 PM.

NOW OUR SHELTER IS OPEN FROM 10:00 AM TO 6:00 PM, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AND SATURDAY WE'RE OPEN 10:00 AM TO 2:00 PM ON THE SHELTER SIDE CALLS, LATEST 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.

ABSOLUTELY.

YUP.

AND ANYTHING AFTER 10:00 PM WOULD BE CONSIDERED A HIGH PRIORITY TYPE CALL WOULD Y'ALL GO GET THEM AFTER 10 O'CLOCK YES.

IF IT'S A HIGH PRIORITY.

SO LIKE A BITE OR, UM, PD ASSISTANCE, UM, SNAKING HOME.

YEAH.

PEOPLE FROM CHICAGO DON'T DO SNAKES AROUND ONE OVER WITH A RIDING LAWNMOWER AND IT WAS SO BIG THAT IT STOPPED THE BLADE ON THE LAWNMOWER.

YES.

AND SO THERE, I SAT ON THAT THING, CALLING PEOPLE, SAYING SOMEBODY NEEDS TO SEE PART OF IT, BUT I'M AFRAID TO START IT AGAIN AND THEN NOT GETTING UP UNTIL YOU TELL ME THE NEW SHELTER WILL BE OPEN THE SAME HOURS.

YES.

HOW MANY, HOW MANY ANIMALS WILL THAT WHOLE? YEAH.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IT RIGHT AROUND 225 DOGS AND RIGHT.

140 CATS.

CURRENT NUMBERS ARE, OH YEAH.

A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DOUBLING IN SIZE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DOUBLING IN SIZE AND WHAT'S BE OF THIS OLD FACILITY HERE.

I'M NOT SURE.

I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND KNOCK IT OUT OF ME.

THAT PLACE WAS BUILT IN THE FIFTIES.

AND I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO IS DEMOLISH IT.

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YEAH.

MORE LIKELY I THINK THAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

SO WE HAVE, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE THE VACANCIES THAT BE A TIME WHERE YOU WOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR OVERFLOW FOR ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY, WE CAN, WE, CAN WE, WE ACTUALLY DO THAT NOW.

YEAH.

SO WE HAVE, SPACE-WISE LOOK AT OUR LOCAL SHELTER AND OUR NEIGHBORING SHELTERS AND SAY, HEY, WE CAN TAKE ANY ONE OR TWO TO KIND OF RELIEVE THAT PRESSURE.

CAUSE RIGHT NOW EVERY SHELTER IS FULL.

EVERY RESCUE IS FULL.

EVERY FOSTER'S FULL IT'S IT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THROUGHOUT THE U S NOT JUST HERE IN TEXAS.

SO, UM, IF WE CAN HELP OUT ANY OTHER SHELTERS, WE WILL.

YES.

THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE GARLAND GROUP ON FACEBOOK TODAY.

BUT EVIDENTLY PEOPLE WERE SHOCKED TO FIND OUT THAT YOUR DOG SHOULD BE SPAYED BEFORE YOU GO TO THE DOG PARK.

AND UH, THEY WANT TO KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO ENFORCE THAT.

BUT HOW CAN THEY FORCE ME TO IT'S A CITY LAW.

YES.

YEAH.

IT'S PART OF MY ORDINANCE.

YOU GOT TO YOUR ANIMALS GOTTA BE STERILIZED OVER THE AGE OF SIX MONTHS.

THEY HAVE TO GO ON ABOUT THE BAD SHELTER AND HAVING TO TAKE OUT OF THE STATE AND ALL OF THAT.

YOU KNOW WHAT THOUGH? I THINK THAT'S GREAT THAT THOSE DOGS ARE GOING OUT OF STATE, UH, THAT I'VE SAW SOMETHING ON FACEBOOK WHERE SOMETHING ARCHAIC ARCHANGEL.

YEAH.

I'M THINKING THIS IS WONDERFUL.

THOSE DOGS GET ANOTHER CHANCE.

I MEAN, THERE ARE SO MANY PIT BULLS COMBINATIONS THAT THEY NEED.

I THINK THEY NEED TO GO AND THEY CAN BE ADOPTED, SEND THEM ALL UP THERE.

WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO LIVE A CONTINUAL REALLY WHERE WE WORK WITH THEM CLOSELY.

UH, WE HAVE TRANSPORTS AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH AND THEY GET TO GO OUT OF STATE DIFFERENT PLACES.

YEAH.

IT'S AWESOME.

YEAH.

I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

I FOUND IT BIZARRE WHEN I MOVED HERE THAT PEOPLE LEFT THEIR DOGS OUT DAY AND NIGHT, WHERE I'M FROM.

IF YOU LEAVE YOUR DOG OUTSIDE, IT WILL DIE BECAUSE IT IS TOO COLD.

SO IT'S LIKE, IT WAS NEVER AN OPTION TO US.

IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

YEAH.

I MEAN, IT'S AN ISSUE DURING THE SNOWSTORMS. WE RESPONDED TO IT OVER 300 CALLS OF ANIMALS LEFT OUTSIDE.

IT'S A BIG ISSUE.

YUP.

YUP.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR OURS? I THINK HE WANTS TO GO HOME.

GET SOME MORE PIZZA.

WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

YOU GOT A CARD.

I DON'T THINK I'M DRUNK.

UM, A YEAR OLD CAPACITY.

I CAN SEND YOU GUYS ALL THESE INFORMATION AND YOU CAN TEST OUT MY CELL PHONE.

PERFECT.

THANK YOU.

THANKS.

ALL RIGHT, KEN, DO YOU WANT ME TO KEEP GROWING BEAUTIFUL NEWS? UM, OTHER THAN BETTY NEEDS HELP SORTING GLOVES CLEAN UP, UH, NEXT SATURDAY, THE 23RD.

YEAH.

YES.

I DON'T KNOW.

1130.

IT, THE STATES I GOT TO WORK, SO I CAN'T DO IT.

BUT, UM, MS. BETTY DOES NEED SOME HELP WITH, UM, PACKING, PACKAGING, GLOVES AND STUFF.

I SAW THAT, YES.

EVIDENTLY THEY GOT ASKED FOR GLOVES AND GOT THEM A THOUSAND PAIR THAT ARE BOUGHT PACKED.

AND SO NOW THEY NEED HELP SORTING THEM OUT INTO RELIABLE PACKS FIVE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO FOUR GROUPS.

SO EVERYBODY'S AVAILABLE NEXT TUESDAY AND THURSDAY, MS. BETTY COULD USE SOME HELP.

THAT'S KIND OF AN ONSITE THING.

I VOLUNTEERED TO GRAB A COUPLE OF BOXES AND TAKE THEM HOME AND DO IT, BUT SHE WANTS TO DO IT ON SITE.

YEAH, I BET SHE LETS ME TAKE A COUPLE OF BUCKS.

I WOULD GIVE YOU THE WHOLE THING WELL, I WILL SAY THE WAY THAT THEY DID THE TRI CITY CLEANUP WAS PAST SATURDAY AND IT WAS, I THOUGHT IT WAS A PRETTY GOOD SUCCESS.

UH WHEN'S THE CENTRALIZES WAS IN THE PAST OR WOULD HE KINDA GOT AN ASSIGNED IN THE AREA AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, BETTY HAD ALL THE SUPPLIES DROPPED OFF AT US AND, UH, I HAD, UH, I HAD ONE, A GROUP AT WHOLE FOR PARK AND WOLF GROUP AT SPRING CREEK PRESERVE AND UH, NOPE.

AND, UH, IT WAS GOOD TO GET TURNED OUT.

AND I THINK JUST FROM, UH, THE EMAIL EXCHANGES I HAD WITH BETTY, I THINK OVERALL IT WAS A GOOD TURNOUT.

SO THERE'S A FEW OF US ON THE BOARD THAT ARE, DO CONCESSIONS.

SO WE'RE LIKE NOWHERE TO BE FOUND UNTIL CHRISTMAS TIME, AT LEAST DAVID AND I, FOR SURE.

SO ANYWAY, UM, I'M GUESSING RECOGNITION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL ACHIEVEMENTS IS ALL BETTY ALL THE TIME.

UH, RECYCLING NEWS URIEL, NOT THIS MONTH, BUT NEXT MONTH WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU GUYS.

WHAT'S UP ON RECYCLING.

OKAY.

I GOT ONE COMMUNITY OF RECYCLING ON THE CORNER OF MELODY AND KINGSLEY.

THERE IS A BLUE BIN FULL OF TRASH.

I'VE DROVE PAST ON THE WAY I WAS GOING TO TAKE A PICTURE FOR YOU.

YEAH.

YEAH.

WE SEEN THAT A LOT AND HANGING OUT OF IT AND YOU KNOW, I DID NOT PICK THOSE UP.

WE DON'T PICK THEM UP.

YEAH.

IF WE DO IT CONTAMINATES THE ENTIRE, ABSOLUTELY.

THERE SHOULD BE A WAY TO MAKE THAT.

UM,

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MAYBE MICHELLE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO COVER NEXT MONTH.

CAUSE SHE PUT UP THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO RECYCLE, BUT LEFT OFF PLASTIC BAGS.

I ADDED THAT FOR HER.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

THAT'S A BIG ONE.

OKAY.

AS FAR AS MY END OF THE RECYCLING WORLD PRICES ARE UP, KEN POINTED OUT TODAY THAT ALUMINUM'S AT A 13 YEAR HIGH GOLD'S UP FOR CIRCUIT BOARDS AND THINGS.

SO EVERYTHING'S HIGH AND, AND FOR US THAT'S A SIGN OF THINGS TO COME WHEN SCRAP PRICES START GOING UP, THE EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE WORLD IS TO GO UP FAST.

IT'S NOT A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

SO THE SHIPPING PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HAVING AS FAR AS INCOMING, DOES THAT AFFECT EVERYTHING GOING TO GO OUT? WE FIND THAT TO BE MYTHICAL.

OKAY.

YEAH.

WELL WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS GETTING THEIR STUFF TO, UH, TO MARKET.

UM, THEY W EVERYTHING WE RECYCLED AND WE'RE ONLY DOING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 150, 300 TONS A MONTH.

UM, EVERYTHING STAYS IN TEXAS AND NORTH TEXAS.

PRETTY MUCH IT GETS PROCESSED.

I HAVE A GROUP HERE THAT HAS PUT IN SOME MACHINERY IN GARLAND AND AN OLD YARD WHO IS PROBABLY GOING TO, I WOULD SAY 10 TIMES THE OUTPUT OF READY TO GO TO THE MIDDLE OF MATERIALS ALONG OUT OF GARLAND, RATHER THAN HAVING TRUCKS GO DOWN THE STREET ENDLESSLY, THAT'D BE LOADING BAILS ON TRAIL, TRAIN CARS AND LIKE THAT.

SO I'D LIKE TO BRING THEM IN ONE DAY AND THEY WANT TO TALK TO YOU TOO.

SO YEAH, DEFINITELY.

ALL RIGHT, KEN, HOW ABOUT SOME COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT? I HAVE NOTHING AT THIS TIME, THIS PAST TUESDAY WAS A NEIGHBOR'S NIGHT OUT AND I KNOW OUR, UM, COUNCILMAN CALLED AROUND AND ASKED IF ANYBODY WAS DOING NEIGHBORHOOD NIGHT OUT.

UH, I WAS OVER UNNERVING FOR IT, BUT, UH, I THINK IT'S NICE IF YOUR, IF YOUR COUNCILMAN CALLS, YOU KNOW, A CONTACT WITHIN EACH OF THE ASSOCIATIONS OR AREAS IN CONTACT AND JUST SAYS, HEY, IF YOU GUYS ARE DOING ANYTHING, LET ME KNOW.

WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO ALL THINK IN TERMS OF NEXT YEAR, LETTING OUR COUNCILMAN KNOW SO THEY COULD KIND OF MAKE IT.

I KNOW THE MAYOR PROBABLY MADE THE MAYOR MAKES HIMSELF VERY AVAILABLE FOR THESE EVENTS.

HE IS THE MOST AVAILABLE MAYOR WE HAVE EVER HAD.

FOR SURE.

PARTICULARLY IF YOU HAVE PI HI, THAT WAS, THAT HAS GIVEN PILE AWAY.

IF YOU'RE HELPING WITH THE THING THOUGH.

THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

IF YOU GO HELP WITH THE GLOVES, THERE WILL BE IN THE MAYOR COMES OVER AND HELPS US.

UM, I HAVE NOTHING BECAUSE, UH, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GOT OUT OF HERE ON TIME.

I GOT TAXES, SORRY.

OH MY GOSH.

WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE DUE TO ELECT A CHAIRPERSON AND A VICE-CHAIR PERSON.

SO THE WAY THAT'S GOING TO WORK IS ANYBODY CAN NOMINATE ANYONE.

I WILL START WITH THE VICE CHAIR POSITION AND THEN THE, THE CHAIR POSITION.

UH, IF YOU NOMINATE SOMEONE, THERE'S GOTTA BE A SECOND FOR BOTH POSITIONS AND THEN WE VOTE WHAT YOU GUYS VOTE.

SO THAT'S ANYBODY HAVE ANY NOMINATIONS FOR THE VICE CHAIR? CAN WE DISCUSS IT FOR A MINUTE? OR IS THAT OUT OF NO.

YEAH.

I MEAN, TAKE, TAKE, COME IN IT, I MEAN, TO ME, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN RE-UPPING BOB OR? SURE.

I'M NOT VERY GOOD AT IT, BUT I'LL TRY IT APPOINT HIM.

I BEEN POINTED OUT BEFORE WE CAN START WITH THE CHAIR POSITION.

IF YOU GUYS, IF YOU WANT TO NOMINATE BOB AND THEN YOU JUST GET A SECOND AND THEN WE'LL GO.

SURE.

I'LL NOMINATE BOB.

I DEFAULT BY THE I'VE BEEN DEFAULTED OR EVERYONE IN FAVOR.

HI.

ALL RIGHT.

IT'S ALL OF US.

AND WE NEED A VICE CHAIR SINCE OUR LAST ONE LEFT.

UM, I'M GOING TO NOMINATE JIM SECOND.

OH MAN.

DID YOU KNOW? YEAH.

SINCE IT'S ONLY, THAT WAS VICE BEFORE, BUT WE ONLY MET LIKE HALF THE YEAR BECAUSE OF COVID.

SO IT WAS LIKE, NOTHING HAPPENS THOUGH.

OKAY.

SO YEAH, I'M JUST I'M I'M I WAS, I WAS WANTING TO DO IT LAST TIME, BUT KAYLA WANTED A SHOT, SO YEAH, WE'LL DO IT.

AND THEN LOOK WHAT HE DID EVERYONE IN FAVOR.

ALRIGHT.

WOW.

THAT WAS QUICK.

TRY TO DO SOMETHING THIS TIME, JIM.

YEAH.

YOU TRY NOT TO HAVE A PANDEMIC ON, UH, PLEASE, UH, COMMUNITY INITIATIVE.

WE HAVE A VICE VICE CHAIR.

IF YOU CAN BE VICE VICE.

OH, WE COULD GET ON THE BOARD, UM, COMMUNITY INITIATIVES.

I THINK WE HAVE JUST LET MOST OF THOSE SIT.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHETHER ON THE, UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS SOME NEW ONES.

WHAT ARE THEY? WE WERE WORKING ON THE MOST OF THE ELABORATE OF COMMUNITY INITIATIVES

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FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND COULD NEVER AGREE.

UM, THE USE OF ROUNDUP, EVEN THOUGH WE GOT A REASONABLE EXPERT EXPLANATION AS TO WHY THE CITY USES A CHEMICAL LIKE ROUNDUP AND HOW THEY HANDLE IT AND HOW IT'S DISBURSED AND ALL OF THAT.

UM, THERE WAS ONE FOR PAPER, THERE WAS LIKE FIVE OR SIX, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT REALLY STUCK THAT WE WERE ALTOGETHER INTERESTED TO RATHER THAN THE, UM, THE ADOPT A HIGHWAY PROGRAM.

BUT THE CITY ALREADY HAD ONE.

SO IT DIDN'T REALLY GO INTO THOSE ONE AS WELL.

YEAH.

BASICALLY WHAT IT IS, PATRICIA IS, IS IT'S AN IDEA THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO IMPLEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY.

SOMETHING THAT IT'S NOT HERE YET, SOMETHING THAT COULD IMPACT YOUR COMMUNITY FOR THE BETTER.

SO IF YOU CAN THINK OF SOMETHING THAT YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF WE IMPLEMENT THIS INTO CITY IS GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, FEWER MECHANIC SHOPS AND CAR LOTS.

YES.

I MEAN, YOU BASICALLY, ANYTHING THAT HAS AN IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY, ON TRAFFIC WHILE LIFE, I MEAN, WHATEVER YOU GUYS THINK WILL MAKE AN IMPACT ON YOUR COMMUNITY.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THIS BOARD IS FOR SOMETHING ABOUT.

AND I'M SURE THE TRASH AND THE CITY OF GARLAND JUST DRIVES ME CRAZY.

MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS BAD LITTER.

YEAH.

DRIVING.

I DRIVE TO WORK, WHICH IS A CAR UP OFF OF WALNUT HILL, DRIVING DOWN FOREST, RIGHT THERE AT THAT TRAIN STATION THERE.

I MEAN TRASH, HOMELESS PEOPLE.

OH, I'M ALL, NOT ALL ALONG, BUT THERE'S ON FOREST LANE.

THE TRASH JUST MAKES ME SICK AND I REALIZE PEOPLE NEED TO DO THE RIGHT THING, BUT THEY'RE NOT.

SO, BUT IS IT THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO CLEAN UP AFTER HIM? NO, IT'S NOT THAT HE DO.

SO STORMWATER DOES A LOT OF TRASH PICKING UP IN THE MEDIUMS AND YES, AND, AND ALL OVER TOWN.

UM, I WOULD SAY EDUCATING YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, PUTTING YOUR TRASH IN A TRASH BAG BECAUSE YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING YOU'RE PRETTY KNOWLEDGEABLE ON THAT SUBJECT.

I MEAN, I SEE IT ALL THE TIME AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT THE CITY DOES.

SO I'LL START ON THE, ON THE HOMELESS SITUATION.

WE DO HAVE A HOMELESS TASK FORCE AND IT'S A GROUP OF, UM, A COMMERCIAL CODE INSPECTOR AND A COUPLE OF MENTAL HEALTH LIAISON FOR THE GARLAND POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THEY DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB TALKING TO THESE FOLKS, GETTING THEM SERVICES.

UM, BUT IF YOU COULD SOLVE THE HOMELESS PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTRY, THAT WOULD BE, THAT'D BE SOMETHING.

AND THEY DO, THEY DO, THEY DO AS GOOD A JOB AS THEY CAN WITH THE RESOURCES.

BUT TO BE HONEST WITH THEY'RE JUST OUT THERE JUST OUTGOING.

THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE JUST SO MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT NEED HELP.

AND A LOT OF THESE, A LOT OF THESE HOMELESS PEOPLE KNOW THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY CREATE THESE CAMPS.

AND A LOT OF THE TRASH THAT YOU MENTIONING COMES FROM THESE CAMPS.

SO YOU RULE ON THAT, WE HELPED THEM OUT ON MONDAYS OR SANITATION TAKES CARE OF THE OTHER REMOVAL OF THESE CAMPS.

SO WE HAVE A TEAM FROM STORM WATER.

THEY GO OUT TO FIND THESE CAMPS, THEY IDENTIFY THEM AND THEY TAKE ALL THE DEBRIS AND WE'RE TALKING TONS 15 TONS A DAY THAT THEY PULLED OUT OF THESE CAMPS.

AND YOU KNOW, AFTER A WHILE, THE TRASH JUST ENDS UP BLOWING IN THE CREEK, UM, IN THE STREET, ON THE SIDEWALK.

I MEAN JUST EVERYWHERE.

UM, SO IT IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY BIG PROBLEM.

IT IS A BIG PROBLEM.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS CAMPAIGN? YEAH.

THAT USED TO BE AROUND HERE IN THE EIGHTIES AND NINETIES.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT? YOU DON'T HEAR THAT ANYMORE.

IT'S STILL IN PLAY.

KEEP GARLAND BEAUTIFUL.

LISTEN DOES A LOT OF WORK TO DO TRASH PICKUPS AND STUFF.

WE REGULARLY DO TRASH PICK UPS.

SO WHAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO IS IDENTIFY THE AREA OF CONCERN AND LET MISS BETTY KNOW.

CAUSE SHE'S, I MEAN, I GO AND PICK UP TRASH WHEN I'M DONE.

I WALK MY DOG.

YEAH.

AND ADDITIONALLY, WHAT THE CITY ELLIS DOES, YOU KNOW, I USED TO WORK A CODE COMPLIANCE.

THAT'S WHAT DEPARTMENT I CAME FROM.

UM, WHAT THEY ALSO DO IS THEY HAVE, UM, WE CALL COMMUNITY COACH, COMMUNITY SUPPORT WORKERS, AND WE HAVE TWO GENTLEMEN THAT WORK PART-TIME AND ALL THEY DO UP ALL DAY IS DRIVE A BIT DOWN THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES, PICKING UP SHOPPING CARTS, PICKING UP AUTO PARTS, PICKING UP JUST SIGNS, ILLEGAL SIGNAGE ON POLES, MEDIUMS RIGHT AWAY.

THEY COLLECT OVER 10, 12,000 SIGNS A YEAR.

THESE TWO GUYS DO AND THOUSANDS, A THOUSAND CARTS A YEAR.

THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

YEAH.

I NEED TO START DOING THAT.

NON-PROFITS CAN DO THAT.

AND IT'S 50 CENTS A SIGN.

UM, BUT WE, THOSE GUYS PICK UP QUITE A BIT OF TRASH AND DEBRIS AND THE SIGNAGE, THERE'S A WRECK.

THEY JUST THROW THE STUFF ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, THE, THE RECORD PEOPLE THAT ARE CLEANED UP PEOPLE, THEY JUST TRASH IT RIGHT THERE AND THEN HELP TO SOMEBODY ELSE TO CLEAN IT UP.

UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I'M A LITTLE BIASED, BUT THE CITY IS RELATIVELY RESPONSIVE WHEN IT COMES TO COMPLAINTS LIKE THAT, YOU CAN CALL CO COMPLIANCE.

UM, THE HOMELESS LIAISON PEOPLE WILL SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU AS WELL.

BUT WE DO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF RESOURCES THAT WE, THAT WE DO HAVE TO TRY TO HELP SOME OF THESE ISSUES.

IF THAT'S A TOPIC THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO LEARN MORE

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ABOUT, MAYBE I CAN INVITE, UM, UH, SOMEBODY THAT CAN TALK ABOUT THE PROGRAM IN GENERAL.

SO YOU CAN REALLY HEAR IT FROM THE DAMN IT'S A REALLY FASCINATING PROGRAM.

AND IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S TURNING TO BE MODELED THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

IT'S, IT'S A REALLY, IT'S A REALLY SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM.

AND I HAD A QUESTION ON THE, ON THE, UH, WHEN YOU GUYS PICK IT UP AT THE HOMELESS SITES, YOU GUYS ACTUALLY MAINTAIN THAT THE TRASH FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS, WE HAVE TO HOLD IT FOR A FEW DAYS.

YEAH.

I THINK IT'S THE WHOLE WEEK, ALL WEEK IN CASE SOMEONE WANTS TO CLAIM IT, THEY CAN CLAIM IT.

THEY PUT UP SIGNS.

I THINK THREE DAYS BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY ABATE THE CAMP, THEY PUT UP SIGNS SAYING THAT ON THIS DATE, WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE.

UM, ONCE THE ITEMS ARE REMOVED, YOU HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DAYS TO COME COLLECTED.

UH, WE STORM AT THE AUTO IMPOUND.

THEY CAN GO TO THE IMPOUND AND RECLAIM THEIR, THEIR STUFF FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, LITTER.

IT, PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THEY NEED TO PUT THEIR TRASH IN THE BAGS WHEN IT GOES UP IN THE TRUCK.

OH YEAH.

IT'S ON A WINDY DAY.

THAT STUFF LOOSE STUFF IS GOING TO BLOW AND IT BLOWS ALL OVER.

PEOPLE WANT TO BLAME MURIEL OR THE PEOPLE THAT WORK SO DAMN HARD PICKING UP OUR TRASH AND IT'S THEIR OWN FAULT, BUT THEY WON'T ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT.

SO IF ANYBODY CAN THINK OF A NICE WAY TO SAY THIS, PUT IN, PLAY A FINE, IF YOU DON'T PUT YOUR TRASH, YOUR TRASH IN THE TRASH BACK, DO YOU KNOW THE CITY OF MOSQUITO DOES NOT HAVE TRASH CONTAINERS FOR YOU? YOU HAVE TO BUY YOUR OWN.

NO, THEY DO.

WELL, MY DAUGHTER JUST MOVED OUT OF MOSQUITO AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONTAINERS.

THEY HAD LOOSE COACHEES BACK THERE, CHEESY WITH NO LIDS ON THEM, BUT THEY'VE GOT CONTAINERS.

THEY PUT THEM IN THE ALLEY LIKE WE DO.

TH THEY'RE NOT THE SAME TYPE THAT THE SMALLER ONES.

YEAH, PROBABLY A LOT CHEAPER, A LOT CHEAPER.

THE OTHER DOLLARS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT EARLIER IN SANITATION SPENDS QUITE A BIT OF MONEY ON, ON THESE CONTAINERS EVERY YEAR.

SO TALKING UPWARDS OF $250,000 A YEAR ON REPAIRING THESE CONTAINERS, REPLACING THEM WHEN THEY'RE LOST OR STOLEN.

SO THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE.

WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT TRACKERS ON THEM.

I LOOKED INTO THAT.

YEAH, IT WAS VERY EXPENSIVE.

THAT TECHNOLOGY ITSELF IS JUST, IT.

WASN'T GOING TO COST ME LIKE A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

I MEAN, THIS IS NOT COST-EFFECTIVE FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR BOXES, FOR YOUR ROLL OFF BOXES AND STUFF, BUT THOSE ARE GOING TO GET STOLEN.

NOT WORTH IT.

ARE THOSE YOUR HIGH VALUE ITEMS? THE ABSOLUTELY.

BUT YOUR REGULAR.

YEAH.

I BEEN IN THE BUSINESS.

I'M IN, I CAN TELL YOU, THERE IS A BIG MARKET FOR, WELL, YOU KNOW, BIG FAMILIES THAT THEY'RE ONLY, THEY ONLY WANT TO PAY FOR ONE CONTAINER.

SO THEY'LL GO TO THREE STREETS DOWN FROM WHERE THEY LIVE.

THEY'LL PICK ONE UP AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY HAVE, AND IF YOU'RE HOMELESS, I HAVE MY OWN SHOPPING CART IN MY GARAGE.

AND I FOUND HIM IN THE ALLEY ONE TIME IN CASE I EVER BECOME HOMELESS, I'LL ALREADY HAVE MY OWN SHOP.

YOU HAVE IT PACKED, PACKED, AND READY TO GO.

BOTTLED BEVERAGES IN THIS, WE DO HAVE A CITY DOES HAVE RESOURCES FOR A LOT OF STUFF.

YOU GUYS ARE MENTIONING.

AND WE'LL SHARE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU GUYS IN AN EMAIL.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY CAN.

I DON'T ACTUALLY FIND THE HOMELESS PROBLEM TO BE SO DISGRACEFUL AS THE PEOPLE BEGGING AT INTERSECTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS A KID, YOU WOULD GET ARRESTED FOR LOITERING IF YOU HUNG OUT, BUT WHY IS IT LEGAL TO STAND IN THE MEDIAN AND DO ANYTHING? YOU KNOW, I MEAN UP IN WEST WESTERN, THE GARLON OFF OF JUPITER ALL THE WAY UP TO YOU GET TO RICHARDSON WHEN YOU GET TO RICHARDSON, THAT STOPS, BUT THERE'LL BE PEOPLE OUT PASSING A CUP OR HOLDING A SIGN OR DOING SOMETHING.

AND MOST OF THEM DON'T APPEAR TO BE DIRTY OR UNKEPT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THIS IS THEIR JOB.

AND I THINK THE GARLAND OUGHTA RUN THEM OFF.

WELL, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAD TO PASS AN ORDINANCE IT'S RELATIVELY NEW, MAYBE A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AGO THAT IN CERTAIN INTERSECTIONS, IT'S ILLEGAL TO TAKE MORE THAN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO CROSS THE INTERSECTION.

YOU CAN ONLY BE AN INTERSECTION FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

OBVIOUSLY IT'S VERY HARD TO ENFORCE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THEY JUST STARTED ROLLING OUT.

CEDAW, TRY TO HELP SOME OF THOSE CASES IN CENTERVILLE.

THERE'S ALWAYS PEOPLE HERE, RIGHT? THEY'RE ALWAYS THERE 24 7.

AND OF COURSE THE CITY IS LIMITED TO CITY RIGHT AWAY.

SO THAT'S A TXDOT THAT'S I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY DALLAS ON THAT SIDE.

WHEN YOU GET OFF ON THE OTHER SIDE, I MET THEM, KNOCK ON MY WINDOW.

IF THEY'RE GOING TO RUN IT LOW ON BEER AND IT'S GETTING LATE, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST UNDER THE SIDE, BY THE SPORTS CITY TOYOTA, THERE WAS A MASSIVE HOMELESS CAMP.

THERE, THERE WERE UPWARDS OF THREE TO 400 PEOPLE LIVING AT THESE CAMPS AT THIS ONE CAMP.

SO I THINK THEY FINALLY CLEANED IT UP, BUT I THINK THEY, THEY COME BACK.

YES.

I THINK I COUNTED 16 CHAIRS SET UP IN THE CONSTRUCTION ZONE.

THEY'RE SITTING AROUND IN A CIRCLE AND SHOPPING CARTS AND STUFF.

AND I'M LIKE, MY GOODNESS, YOU KNOW, WHAT SORT OF DISASTER IS GOING TO HAPPEN? WHEN AN 18 WHEELER LOSES IT, THERE IT'S STUPID, DANGEROUS TO BE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

YOU SAYING THE CITY CAN'T DO ANYTHING IN REGARDS TO, I MEAN, THAT'S ONE LOCATION.

CAUSE I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT TOO FAR FROM WHERE I LIVE.

THEY'RE ALWAYS THERE.

SO THE CITY CAN'T DO ANYTHING

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AS FAR AS PEOPLE IN THE INTERSECTIONS OR CAMPS OR JUST, UM, A LOTTERY AND ASKING FOR MONEY.

SO THIS, AND THERE'S THE, THEY ARE LAWS ABOUT PANHANDLING, BUT IT HAS TO BE AGGRESSIVE PANHANDLING.

THEY HAVE TO LITERALLY BE DOING SOMETHING THAT'S AGGRESSIVE IN NATURE.

LIKE BANGING ON YOUR WINDOW, REAL HARD, HOLDING A SIGN.

AND YEAH, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A VIOLATION.

YEAH.

SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING, THEY ALSO TRY TO RISK.

BUT AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF GRAY AND THESE ORDINANCES, CREATIVE DEMOND, CICERO.

IF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN TO CHICAGO, Y'ALL KNOW YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ON CICERO.

THEY GET CREATIVE.

THEY GO AND SPIT ON YOUR WINDOW AND CHARGE YOU $2 TO LIKE WIPE IT OFF.

YEAH.

YEAH.

OH, WOW.

I CAN'T SAY I DIDN'T HAVE TWO BOTTLES OF WATER.

THEY GOT A DIRTY BOTTLE AND A CLEAN BOTTLE AND PULLED UP YOUR CASH.

YOU WILL GET YOUR WINDOW WASHED WITH THE CLEAN WATER.

IF YOU DON'T SHOW LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO PAY, YOU GET THE DIRTY WATER AND IT'S NASTY.

IT COULD BE SOMETHING OTHER THAN WATER.

WE'LL SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU GUYS ON THESE RESOURCES.

YOU GUYS HAVE THEM.

THAT'S COOL.

ALL RIGHT.

SO IS IT POSSIBLE? THEY CAN PUT IT IN THE MEANTIME, WHETHER CLEARING OUT THE PLACE, ROLLING DUMPSTER DOWN THERE OR SOMETHING TO LET THEM USE THAT RATHER THAN WELL, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LEAVE A DUMPSTER AND ATTENDED TO BECOMES A COMMUNITY DUMPSTER AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, EVERYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS USING IT BESIDES THE INTENDED PURPOSE.

SO W AND WHEN THEY PUT THESE DUMPSTERS THERE, THEY, THEY FILL UP THAT SAME DAY.

THEY HAVE THEM OFF THE SAME DAY CONSTRUCTION.

YEAH.

ANYBODY IN ANYBODY WILL START USING THEM AREAS OF GARLAND.

IF YOU HAVE A DUMPSTER, YOU HAVE TO LOCK IT UP OR YOU WILL COME TO WORK ON MONDAY, IT'LL HAVE MATTRESSES.

AND YEAH.

THESE BUSINESSES PAY GOOD MONEY TO, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SERVICE EVERY MONTH.

SO, YEAH.

YEAH.

I FOUND THAT ONE OF THE MOST INCREDULOUS THINGS, WHEN I OPENED MY FIRST BUSINESS IN GARLAND, YOU HAVE TO LOCK UP YOUR DUMPSTER, STEALING YOUR TRASH.

YES.

OH NO.

WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S THERE GUYS.

YOU CAN SIT OUT IN FRONT OF MY BUSINESS, WHICH IS JUST IN DALLAS, JUST ACROSS JUPITER.

AND YOU CAN WATCH THE DUMPSTER SURFERS.

THEY COME BY JUST AROUND DUSK EVERY NIGHT AND ACROSS THE STREET, THERE'S AN HVAC PLACE AND THEY PULL UP DUCT WORK AND STUFF LIKE THAT, OR THE PALLET MAN.

AND THEY GO THROUGH THE DUMPSTERS AT ONE BUSINESS TO ANOTHER UP AND DOWN THE STREET.

AND I HONESTLY LOOK AT IT AS A COMMUNITY SERVICE.

THAT'S LESS STUFF GOING INTO LANDFILL FOR THE MOST PART.

THEY PUT EVERYTHING BACK IN THE DUMPSTER.

THAT'S OKAY.

IT'S THE GUYS THAT COME THROW EVERYTHING OUT, LOOKING FOR CANS AND KNOW, AND GARLAND, IF YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF APPLIANCE, YOU JUST PUT IT ON THE CURB AND IT WON'T MAKE IT TO OUR COLLECTION DAY.

THEY'RE THERE.

THEY'RE PRETTY EFFICIENT WHEN IT COMES TO METAL.

VERY EFFICIENT.

THANK YOU GUYS.

THANK YOU AGAIN.

YES, SIR.

SO YOU GET THE IDEA COMMUNITY IS COMMUNITY, AND THEN OUR ENVIRONMENT IS WHERE WE LIVE.

IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE TRASH OR ENVIRONMENTAL POLLUTANTS.

IT'S THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO CHANGE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE HERE IN GARLAND.

SO, YEAH.

AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT DURING THE COURSE OF THE MONTH, YOU JUST SHOOT ME AN EMAIL AND I'LL SEE, COULD FUCKING GET A, SOMEONE FROM THAT DEPARTMENT THAT CAN, MY, MY LATEST IS THE TIME LIMITS ON CONSTRUCTION.

I THINK ONCE YOU START SOMETHING YOU SHOULD HAVE TO, EVEN IF IT'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, THERE ARE BUILDINGS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY HAVE BEEN BUILDING FOR TWO YEARS OR REMODELING THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING FOR TWO YEARS.

THERE HAS TO BE A LIMITED ONE POINT OR ANOTHER AS TO HOW LONG YOUR PERMIT SHOULD STAY OPEN.

AND ALSO ON THE STREETS, UH, MILLER AND GARLAND ROAD, IT'S BEEN TORE UP FOR A BETTER PART OF A YEAR.

THAT'S TRUE, BUT FOR NO APPARENT REASON, I MEAN, IT'S JUST A HOLE THERE.

FILL THE DOG HOLE AND GET RID OF THE IT THAT'S NO, SINCE THEY'RE SO LONG THAT THE SIGNS BECOME IRRELEVANT, IT'LL SAY LEFT LANE CLOSED AND YOU START TO MOVE OVER AND YOU REALIZE THAT THAT LEFT LANE HAS BEEN GONE FOR A YEAR IT'S YOU GOTTA,