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ALL RIGHT.

IT IS

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TUESDAY,

[Community Services Committee on December 7, 2021.]

DECEMBER 7TH, 2021.

THIS IS A MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE.

I AM THE CHAIR, DEBRA MORRIS WITH ME AS COUNSEL, EXCUSE ME, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, BJ WILLIAMS, AND A ROOM FULL OF STAFF.

UM, THANK ALL OF YOU FOR COMING.

SO, UM, WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER 9TH, 2021 MEETING.

AND, UM, BJ, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT? I HAVE MADAM CHAIR AND I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

OKAY.

AND I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.

AND ARE WE BOTH IN AGREEMENT? OKAY.

SO MOVED.

UM, AND I, I SHOULD MENTION ALSO THAT OUR THIRD COMMITTEE MEMBER WHO IS COUNCILMAN ROBERT VERA WILL BE ABSENT TODAY.

SO WE ARE OPERATING WITH TWO OUT OF THE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

ALL RIGHT.

AND, UM, BJ, IF IT IS ACCEPTABLE TO YOU, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, TO CHANGE THE ORDER.

YEP.

CHANGE THE ORDER OF TWO AND THREE TO MOVE UP THE DISCUSSION OF THE REGULATION OF FOOD TRUCKS AND TRAILERS, BECAUSE JUST WALKING IN THE DOORS, COUNCILMAN BASS, AND HE WAS INTERESTED IN, UM, PROVIDING SOME INPUT ON THAT.

SO IS THAT OKAY? ALL RIGHT, THEN LET'S MOVE TO SKIP TWO FOR NOW.

WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO IT IN JUST A MOMENT.

UM, AND THREE DISCUSS THE REGULATION OF FOOD TRUCKS AND TRAILERS, AND WITH US AS BRIAN ENGLAND, THE CITY ATTORNEY.

AND, UM, CAN WE GET COUNCILMAN BASSETT COPY OF THE DRAFT? OH, OKAY.

I WAS NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

SO IF YOU'LL WALK US THROUGH THIS, BRIAN, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU.

MADAM CHAIRMAN.

UM, WHAT I TRIED TO DO, UM, WAS PUT IN ORDINANCE FORMAT, THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THIS COMMITTEE MADE THE LAST TIME WE GATHERED TOGETHER, AND WE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, THE EXTENT OF REGULATION WE WANTED TO DO WITH FOOD, TRUCK TRUCKS.

AND SO I, I PUT THAT IN ORDINANCE FORMAT.

UM, MOST OF IT IS SELF-EXPLANATORY, BUT I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH IT REAL BRIEFLY.

UM, UH, WHAT WE DID WAS WE AMENDED THE SECTION OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES THAT WERE MAKING AMENDMENTS TO THE TEXAS FOOD ESTABLISHMENT RULES.

AND THE FIRST ONE WAS IN SUBSECTION W OF TWO TO 8.23.

OH.

AND THAT'S JUST THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS.

I FOUND THAT TO BE THE EASIEST PLACE TO PUT THESE AMENDMENTS, UM, BECAUSE THEY ARE RELATED TO, UH, TO REGULATIONS THAT WEREN'T CURRENTLY THERE.

SO WE'RE ACTUALLY ADDING STUFF THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY, UM, IN THE ORDINANCE, THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE PRIVATE PROPERTY.

THE FIRST TWO W ONE AND W2, THEY ARE THE OPERATIVE PROVISIONS.

UH, AS YOU'LL READ IN, UH, FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY, ONCE FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY ONES FOR PUBLIC PROPERTY, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE PRIVATE PROPERTY.

ONE FIRST IT'S A PERSON MAY NOT ALLOW OR SUFFER.

SO THAT IS A PERSON MAY NOT, UH, A PROPERTY OWNER MAY NOT ALLOW THE OPERATION OF A MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

NOW, IF YOU RECALL, THE DEFINITION OF MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE IS NOT THE SAME AS A CATERING TRUCK, A CATERING TRUCK DEALS WITH PRE PACKAGED FOOD ITEMS. THESE ARE THE TRUCKS THAT ACTUALLY COOK AND PREPARE THE FOOD ONSITE AND THERE'S DIFFERENT RULES AND DIFFERENT REGULATIONS FOR THAT.

SO THIS ORDINANCE AS DIRECTED BY THE COMMITTEE LAST TIME, THIS ORDINANCE ONLY TARGETS THE MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES AND NOT THE CATERING TRUCKS.

AND IN THIS, IF YOU'RE A PROPERTY OWNER AND YOU ALLOW ONE TO OPERATE ON YOUR PROPERTY AND LAST YEAR, UNLESS YOUR CEO ALLOWS FOR IT, UM, YOU'RE IN VIOLATION OF THIS ORDINANCE AND IT IS A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR.

AND IT ALSO SAYS IN THERE, I THREW IN THERE.

I MEAN, IT ALSO HAS TO OPERATE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, BECAUSE THERE'LL BE SOME TERMS AND CONDITIONS THERE.

UM, UM, THAT WILL DICTATE HOW IT, IF IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, HOW IT MUST BE OPERATED, THE NEXT WAS PUBLIC PROPERTY.

AND HERE WE TRIED TO CARVE OUT A PIECE FOR THE EVENTS FOR CITY EVENTS, UH, WHETHER IT'S ON A PARKING LOT OR IN PARKS.

AND SO OF COURSE, THERE'S NOT A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY OCCUPANCY INVOLVED.

IT'S JUST GOING TO BE PERMITTED MUCH LIKE OUR SPECIAL EVENTS ARE PERMITTED.

AND SO IT'S A PERSON MAY NOT CAUSE ALLOW OR SUFFER THE OPERATION OF A MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.

UNLESS THE GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY HAS ISSUED A PERMIT FOR THE LOCATION ON WHICH THE MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE IS OPERATING.

AND SO I TRIED TO ACCOUNT FOR BOTH CITY PROPERTY AND ALSO FOR GIS STATE PROPERTY AND EVEN COUNTY PROPERTY.

SO IF THE COUNTY WANTS TO HOST AN EVENT ON ITS OWN PROPERTY, OF COURSE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT AS WELL.

SO LONG AS THERE'S BEEN A PERMIT ISSUED FOR THAT.

LET ME PUT A FINGER ON THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR WITH THOSE AND OKAY.

OKAY.

THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, WE, WE WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE.

THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT

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SHOWS THAT THE OWNER OF THE REAL PROPERTY HAS GIVEN WRITTEN PERMISSION TO BE ON THE PROPERTY.

AND SO THIS REQUIRES A COPY OF THAT WRITTEN PERMISSION TO BE IN THE VEHICLE AT ALL TIMES WHERE IT'S OPERATING.

AND THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE A LETTER FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER STATING THAT THAT PARTICULAR FOOD TRUCK CAN BE AT THE LOCATION.

AND THE NUMBER FOUR IS DEALING WITH LAST, LAST TIME THE COMMITTEE MET, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, DO YOU WANT TO HAVE PROVISIONS THAT PROHIBIT THE ACCESSORIES, THE TABLES OR THE CHAIRS? SO I PUT THAT AS ON-SITE DINING, AND THAT IS A MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE SHALL NOT PLACE OR MAINTAIN TABLES OR CHAIRS FOR ONSITE DINING.

AND AT THAT'S STILL IS THAT THE COMMITTEE STILL WANTS TO GO THAT DIRECTION.

THAT'S STILL IN PLACE THERE.

AND THEN RECORD RETENTION IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT'S MAINTAINED, THAT'S REQUIRED OF OUR CATERING TRUCKS.

SO I BROUGHT THAT OVER FROM CATERING.

SO THAT STAYS IN, THIS WAS ACTUALLY IN THIS PARTICULAR SECTION OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS.

I JUST NEVER REMOVED.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD, A NUMBER FIVE, I THINK IS A GOOD PROVISION TO HAVE IN THERE.

THE HOURS OF OPERATION, YOU ALL DIRECTED.

Y'ALL DIRECTED ME TO DRAFT SOMETHING FROM 7:00 AM TO 11:00 PM.

AND IF THAT'S STILL ACCEPTABLE, WE CAN LEAVE THAT IN PLACE.

AND THEN NUMBER SEVEN IS THE NEW PART.

AND THIS WAS THE ONE WHERE THE COMMITTEE ASKED THAT WE HOLD THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE ONE ACCOUNTABLE FOR ALLOWING THESE FOOD TRUCKS ON THEIR PROPERTIES.

CURRENTLY, THEY JUST NEED WRITTEN PERMISSION, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S REALLY REQUIRES THE PROPERTY OWNER TO COME TO THE CITY AND ASK FOR A PERMIT TO DO IT.

AND SO WHAT WE, WHAT THE COMMITTEE DECIDED TO DO WAS MAKE IT A PART OF THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.

AND SO NUMBER SEVEN SAYS A PREMISES SHALL NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR A CEO THAT ALLOWS FOR THE OPERATION OF A MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE, UNLESS THE FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS ARE MET.

AND NUMBER EIGHT IS A MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE MAY ONLY BE OPERATED AT A SECONDARY USE ON THE PREMISES AND WITHIN THE AREAS DESIGNATED ON THE SITE PLAN.

AND WE'LL SEE THAT IN ORDER TO GET A CEO, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME INTO BUILDING INSPECTION, PRESENT A SITE PLAN AND DEMONSTRATE TO, UM, OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL THAT, THAT THE AREA THAT THEY'VE CARVED OUT, THE DESIGNATED AREA THAT THEY'VE CARVED OUT FOR THE OPERATION OF THIS VEHICLE WILL NOT, UH, REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF REQUIRED PARKING.

AND SO THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD ACTUALLY HAVE ONE ON YOUR PARKING LOT TAKING THAT PARKING SPACES, IF YOU'VE HAD SOME EXTRA PARKING SPACES TO GIVE, OTHERWISE YOU CAN'T TAKE UP THE CROP REQUIRED MINIMUM PARKING.

NOW THIS BRINGS UP A QUESTION THOUGH, THAT I DON'T THINK WE ADDRESSED LAST TIME.

IT SAYS AS A SECONDARY USE, IT DOES NOT ADDRESS THE SITUATION THAT YOU MIGHT, YOU SEE IN MANY OTHER CITIES, INCLUDING HOUSTON, AUSTIN, WACO, AND EVEN FORT WORTH, WHERE YOU HAVE VACANT, VACANT, LOTS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, CONVERTED INTO FOOD TRUCK, UM, PLAZAS OR FOOD TRUCK.

UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL THEM IN THE MALLS WHERE PEOPLE GET COURT? YEAH.

FOOD COURT.

YEAH.

FOOD, TRUCK COURTS.

AND SO THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THIS COMMITTEE IS INTERESTED IN RECOMMENDING, OR ARE WE, ARE WE SAYING THAT, OR IS THIS COMMITTEE SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN FOOD TRUCK COURTS? UH, IF IT'S NOT A SECONDARY USE, THEN IT SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED IN THE CITY.

I WILL, I WILL TELL YOU THAT RICK ODIN PARK IS LOOKING AT HAVING A FOOD TRUCK COURT AS PART OF THE PARK.

OKAY.

SO THAT'S CERTAINLY ONE.

UM, AND THAT WOULDN'T BE A SPECIAL EVENT.

THAT WOULD BE AN AREA THAT'S ACTUALLY BEING ENVISIONED FOR THAT.

ALRIGHT.

SO JUST TRYING TO, I THINK LOOKING AHEAD, YOU KNOW, WE MAY, WE MAY HAVE ADDRESSED FOOD TRUCKS.

I'M THINKING ABOUT CLOUD ONE OR ANOTHER SOURCE LIKE THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT NECESSARILY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN HERE.

I SEE THAT REALLY AS A SEPARATE 'CAUSE USUALLY, IF YOU THINK ABOUT FOOD CLOTHES, TRUCK, IT'S A RELATIVELY LARGE AREA AND IT'S, AND IT HAS OTHER AMENITIES ASSOCIATED.

THE ONES THAT IN MOST OF THE CITIES HAVE OTHER MANAGERS.

SO I THINK I SEE THAT AS A SORT OF A SEPARATE AND DISTINCT IT, SOMETHING TO BE TACKLE RATHER THAN TRY TO TACKLE THAT AS A PART OF THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE, IT LAID WRONG WHEN WE DO, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT BE SOME AMENDMENTS TO DEAL WITH THAT.

BUT PERSONALLY, I SEE IT, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE I, I SEE A FULL COURT PLAZA AS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT, WHAT OUR OBJECTIVES WERE WITH THIS ORDINANCE.

THAT'S.

AND SO I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO DELAY THIS BECAUSE I THINK THE FOOD COURT BOSS IS A BIGGER UNDERTAKING THAN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE.

IT IS, IT WOULD MOST LIKELY REQUIRE AN AMENDMENT TO THE GDC.

YEAH.

THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S YEAH.

THAT'S

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WHAT I'M THINKING.

I THINK IT W IT WOULDN'T INVOLVE MUCH MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, LIKE SETTING UP SINKING GDC AND AMENDMENTS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

SO I SEE THAT PRETTY MUCH AS A SINGLE, UH, ISSUE THAT, THAT THE COMMITTEE AND THE COUNCIL WOULD WANT TO ADDRESS RATHER THAN TRY TO ADDRESS IT IN HERE.

THAT'S MY THOUGHT.

AND I'M SURE IF THE, IF THE COMMITTEE WOULD ALLOW ME, IF I COULD DROP SOME LANGUAGE FROM WHAT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN IN THERE THAT, UM, ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR FUTURE AMENDMENTS TO THE GDC OR OTHER AREAS OF THE CODE THAT WAY, INSTEAD OF IT BEING JUST SAID, IT HAS TO BE A SECONDARY USE.

I COULD PUT SOMETHING IN THERE, A CLAUSE IN THERE SAYS UNLESS OTHERWISE ALLOWED BY LAW OR BY THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

UM, I COULD DO THAT.

I COULD DROP THAT IN THERE IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE COMMITTEE.

GOOD.

OKAY.

YEAH, I AGREE.

YEAH.

AND COUNSELING BASS, IF YOU, IF YOU REACH SOMETHING WHERE YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS, UH, PLEASE JUST, JUST FLAG ME AND WE WILL, WE WILL GIVE YOU A VOICE.

UM, SO JUST, UH, UH, SINCE COUNCILMAN BASS WAS NOT HERE BEFORE THE BACK TO THE CEO TO THE CEO'S.

SO THE, UM, SO LET'S SAY DICKIES WANTED TO HAVE A FOOD TRUCK RIGHT OUT FRONT, WHICH I KNOW YOU'D BE DELIGHTED ABOUT.

UM, SO AS OWNER PROPERTY OWNER, HE WOULD HAVE TO GO IN AND GET A CEO.

IN ADDITION TO HIS EXISTING RESTAURANT CEO, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION FOR JIM.

IT'S PROBABLY AN AMENDMENT OF SOME SORT OR A RIDER OR SOME KIND, I DON'T KNOW HOW BENT, I'M JUST TRYING TO PICTURE THE PROCESS AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK, BECAUSE THEY WOULD ALREADY HAVE A CEO, AN ACTIVE CEO.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SECONDARY CEO OR SOME CHANGE TO IT.

IT WOULD ISSUE AS SECOND CEO OR A, OR ACTUALLY WE'LL REPLACE THE EXISTING CEO WITH A CEO THAT WOULD ALLOW THE FOOD TRUCK COURT OR THE FOOD, EXCUSE ME, THE FOOD TRUCK TO BE THERE ALSO.

SO IT WOULD BE IN COMBINATION WITH THE ONE CEO, IT WOULD HAVE BOTH THAT AND INCIDENTAL OR ASSESSOR USES IS WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY CALL IT IS REFERRED TO AS A SECONDARY USE.

UM, THAT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS.

SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY PLACE IN THE CITY OF GARLAND, ANY PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF GARLAND, WHERE ONCE THIS PASSES FOOD TRUCKS WILL BE ALLOWED WITHOUT THE OWNERS COMING IN AND HAVING THEIR CEO REVISED.

THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

SO THIS WILL TAKE ADVANCE.

UH, NO.

YEAH, RIGHT NOW THEY'LL HAVE TO COMMAND AND, AND FOR THE EXISTING ONES OUT THERE, WE WOULD GO OUT, NOTIFY THEM THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT LANDLORD OR THAT TENANT COME IN AND, YOU KNOW, REVISE THEIR CEO.

AT THAT POINT IN TIME, AS THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID, THEY'LL HAVE TO SUPPLY A, YOU KNOW, A SITE PLAN SHOWING WHERE THOSE FOOD COURT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THAT FOOD TRUCK WOULD BE ALLOWED, WE COUNT THE REQUIRED PARKING, MAKE SURE THE REQUIRED PARKING MEETS, MAKE SURE THERE'S ANY OTHER, UH, ISSUES THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, ELECTRICITY, WATER, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THEY MAY NEED.

AND WE MAY WANT TO, UH, HAVE, UH, HAVE THIS BE A PHASE IN AND HAVE IT BE PART OF THIS THAT IT WILL TAKE EFFECT IN SOME CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME TO GIVE TIME FOR THAT.

I CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT IF I WANTED TO MAKE IT EFFECTIVE 90 DAYS OUT OR SIX MONTHS OUT, WHATEVER Y'ALL WOULDN'T WANT TO DO ON THAT, WE COULD CERTAINLY MAKE THAT EFFECTIVE.

OKAY.

AND BRIAN, I KNOW YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO REWRITE SOMETHING, BUT TO GO BACK TO THE, UM, TERM SECONDARY USE.

YES.

UM, OKAY.

SO WHAT OF COURSE SECONDARY USE REQUIRES FIRST PRIMARY USE, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

UM, SO ARE WE DEFINING PRIMARY USE BY DESIGN OR BY CEO? OKAY.

JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE LITTLE FOOD COURTS THAT SPRUNG UP IS IN A CARWASH RIGHT.

IN THAT CAR WASH.

AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT DOESN'T FUNCTION AS A CAR WASH BECAUSE THERE'S FOOD TRUCKS THERE 24 7.

SO WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED SECONDARY USE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY USING IT FOR THEIR PRIMARY USE.

SO, NOPE.

THAT WOULD BE A PRIMARY USE AND WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED AT THIS POINT WITH THIS, UH, ORDINANCE ONCE YOU WOULD ALLOW A FOOD COURT OR A FOOD TRUCK COURT OR PLAZA, UH, TO BE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WENT THROUGH THE GDC PROCESS AND CREATED THAT AS DEFINED USE, THEN IT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BE ALLOWED DEPENDING UPON WHAT YOU ZONING DISTRICT.

THOSE ARE ALLOWED IT, BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, AND CURRENTLY THAT, THAT WE WERE WAITING FOR THIS TO OCCUR TO SEE WHERE COUNCIL WANTED TO BE ON THIS BEFORE WE VACATED ALL LOWS AND SAID, OKAY, YOU CAN'T BE HERE BECAUSE IT'S CURRENTLY NOT ALLOWED IN THE FORM THAT IT IS, IT JUST SPRUNG UP AND WE'VE GONE, OH, LET'S, YOU KNOW, WE HAD NO REAL DIRECTION IN THE, IN THE GDC AS TO WHAT TO DO WITH A FOOD TRUCK COURT.

SO WE WANTED COUNCIL'S INPUT BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, ACTED ON THAT.

OKAY, COOL.

YOUR IS EXACTLY THE EXAMPLE OF WHY WE PUT THIS PROVISION AND IT WAS AT THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING THAT WAS RAISED.

OKAY, GOOD, GOOD.

AND ACTUALLY, YEAH, I MEAN, AND THE REASON I'M HERE IS FOR SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T

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EVEN GOTTEN TO YET, BUT OKAY.

THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE OWNER THAT SEVEN B IT'S THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE OWNER OR THE LESSER OF THE PREMISES SUBMITTING A SITE PLAN TO BUILDING INSPECTION, WHICH WOULD DEPICT THE LOCATION OF THE DESIGNATED AREAS FOR THE MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES.

AND THAT'LL BE PART OF THE CEO PROCESS.

AND ALSO, UM, IT'S A, UM, SEVEN C PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION FOR MR. OAKS STAFF THAT AS CEO IS NOT TO BE ISSUED, UM, IF THE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE, UM, RESULTS IN THE LOSS OF PARKING SPACES THAT WILL CAUSE THE PREMISES NOT BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE GDC OR APPLICABLE ZONING LAWS.

AND WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT ALREADY.

AND THEN 70 IS, UM, UM, I PUT A LITTLE COMMENT THAT WE DECIDED IN 70 SAYS THERE SHOULD BE NO MORE THAN TWO DESIGNATED AREAS PER PREMISES FOR MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE OPERATIONS.

AND THE REASON I PUT THIS COMMENT THERE IS THERE'S TWO WAYS TO GO ABOUT THIS.

THAT'S TRUE.

UH, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR MAYBE A GAS STATION OR OTHER RETAIL LOCATION, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE PARKING LOT, TWO MAY BE THE RIGHT AMOUNT, BUT IN OTHER WAY, YOU COULD APPROACH REGULATING THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE IS AS LONG AS THE PREMISE IS, HAS THE ABILITY TO, TO HOST THESE FOOD TRUCKS WITHOUT VIOLATING MINIMUM PARKING STANDARDS THAN FOR EXAMPLE, A BIG BOX MAY HAVE A PARKING LOT THAT EXTENDS ALL THE WAY OUT TO IT RIGHT AWAY.

THAT'S 400 FEET OUT AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF EMPTY PARKING SPACES, EXTRA PARKING SPACES.

SO THEY'RE OVER PARKED AND THEY MAY HAVE ROOM FOR FIVE OR SIX, UM, UH, MOBILE FOOD PREPPER.

IT'S THE QUESTION OF YOU WANT TO LIMIT IT TO TWO, OR DO YOU WANT IT TO LIMIT IT TO DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH PARKING SPACES THEY HAVE AVAILABLE? I AM CHAIR, UM, UH, I LIKE THE LANGUAGE HERE.

I'D LIKE TO LIMITED BECAUSE I'VE EXACTLY THAT IN REAL TIME I HAVE, I HAVE A KIND OF BUSINESS RIGHT IN CINEMA, MY DISTRICT, IT'S A BIG, BIG BOX AND THEY HAVE PROBABLY A HUNDRED PARKING SPACES CLOSE TO IT, YOU KNOW, AND THE, THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS PEOPLE JUST POPPING UP ALL OVER THE SPREAD OUT.

SO WHETHER IT'S TWO OR FIVE, I'D LIKE TO PUT SOME LIMITATIONS AND I ACTIVELY WITH TWO, BUT I TH I, I LIKED, I LIKED THE LANGUAGE HERE, THE CONCEPT HERE OF LIVING IN THE NUMBERS THAT CAN SHOW UP.

SO, AND, AND I THINK IT WOULD ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT I'VE HAD WITH THE BIG BOX, UM, PARKING, PARKING, PARKING LOT.

SO, OH, I LIKE IS YOUR DIRECTION TO KEEP IT AT TWO OR TO ALLOW FOR MORE THAN TWO, IF PARKING SPACES ALLOW FOR IT.

OKAY.

I DON'T HAVE HARD BAR AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT HARD LOCKED ON TO, I COULD LIVE WITH FIVE.

YEAH.

I TH I THINK FIVE'S A MORE REASONABLE THAT'S.

YEAH.

I THINK FIVE WOULD BE A MORE REASONABLE NUMBER KNOW.

YEAH, YEAH.

YEAH.

AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY HAVE MORE UNIVERSAL, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, BE MORE UNIVERSAL CITYWIDE.

I THINK FIVE IS APPROVING SO MEDICARE.

RIGHT.

I AGREE.

AND, AND AGAIN, WITH THE PROVISO THAT, THAT THEY ARE NOT TAKING UP SPACES, THAT THEY STILL MEET THEIR MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

WE JUST HAVE A LOT OF OVER, OVER BIG PARKING LOTS.

SO PUTTING THEM TO SOME USE, UM, MAKES SENSE.

BUT I THINK FIVE IS A DECENT NUMBER.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

HAVE WE GIVEN A THOUGHT TO, UM, CAUSE I KNOW FOR EXAMPLE, IT SAYS ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY, THE CEO IS GOING TO HAVE TO ALLOW FOR IT.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, A LOT OF, LOT OF WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, A SCHOOL OR A CHARTER SCHOOL OR A CHURCH, UM, HAVE WE GIVEN THOUGHT TO, UH, TEMPORARY PERMITS FOR THIS, AS OPPOSED TO JUST A CEO, FOR EXAMPLE, A CHURCH HOSTS, A WHATEVER PUMPKIN PATCH THIS WEEKEND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER SECOND WEEKEND OF OCTOBER, EVERY YEAR, HAVE WE GIVEN ANY THOUGHT TO ALLOW IN TEMPORARY ONES? CAUSE I MEAN, SCHOOLS WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, WELL I KNOW MY KID'S SCHOOL, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAVE MOVIE NIGHT, ONCE A YEAR, THEY LIKE TO HAVE FOOD TRUCKS THERE.

YOU KNOW, A CHURCH HAS A FUNCTION, THEY WANT TO HAVE A FOOD TRUCK THERE, SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS NOT ON A REGULAR BASIS, BUT JUST EVERY NOW AND THEN HAVE WE GIVEN ANY THOUGHT TO TEMPORARIES FALL UNDER SPECIALTY, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE ALREADY ALLOWED VR SPECIAL EVENTS SO THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO CONFLICT WITH THAT? NO.

OKAY.

OKAY, COOL.

THANK YOU.

I JUST WANT TO SAY ON THAT THIS IS BASICALLY A PERMANENT CHANGE OR, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, HEY, I'M GOING TO HAVE THIS FOOD TRUCK HERE ALL THE TIME.

YOU KNOW, IF I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE IT HERE AND IN SPECIAL EVENT, PERMITS CAN RUN FOR UP TO 90 DAYS.

SO WHEN A LOT OF THE CHURCHES IN SCHOOLS, THEY MAY RUN IT FOR A WEEK OR JUST A WEEKEND AND THEY MAY HAVE A DOZEN FOOD TRUCKS OUT THERE AND THAT'S FINE THROUGH THEIR SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.

OKAY.

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OKAY, COOL.

THANK YOU.

AND THE FINAL FOR THE FALLING UNDER THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS 70 AND MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES SHALL NOT OPERATE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND LET US WITHIN 500 FEET OF A RESTROOM FACILITY FACILITY LOCATED ON THE SAME PROPERTY THAT, THAT THE FINAL PART OF THAT SENTENCE LOCATED ON THE SAME PART PROPERTY I ADDED.

THAT'S NOT DIRECTION Y'ALL GAVE THE COMMITTEE GAVE LAST TIME I ADDED THAT BECAUSE I WAS THINKING OF A SITUATION OF WHERE THEY MAY BE LOCATED IN OUR PROPERTY.

THAT'S WHERE THE RESTROOM'S NOT WITHIN 500 FEET ON THAT PROPERTY, BUT IT MIGHT BE ON A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY AND THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY PROBABLY DOESN'T WANT TO ALL THE FOOD TRUCK.

RIGHT? YEAH.

I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME VERBIAGE IN THERE.

UM, PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE.

OKAY.

I SEE.

YOU'RE SAYING CASE THE BUSINESSES CLOSE, SO YOU WANT THE BUSINESS OPEN AND SO IT NEEDS TO REMAIN POST.

YEAH, I HAD THAT.

I WAS GOING SAY, HEY, THERE'S A HOUSE RIGHT THERE.

THEY HAVE A BATHROOM IN THAT HOUSE.

OKAY.

THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH.

I, I HAD, UH, THE QUESTION I HAD CONCERNING THAT TOO WAS WE HAVE HOURS OF OPERATION FROM SEVEN, 8:00 AM TO 11:00 PM AND I THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, OR WHEN THE BUSINESS IS OPEN, DEPENDING UPON THAT, BECAUSE TO ME, THAT BUSINESS THAT WE ISSUED, THE CEO SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE RESTROOMS, FAIR POINT.

OKAY, GOOD.

ON ALL POINTS.

SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OPERATION, NOT NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS, RIGHT? THAT'S MY BUSINESS.

I WOULDN'T WANT A FOOD TRUCK TO RUN TILL 11, IF A STORE CLOSED AT NINE.

RIGHT.

AND THEY'D HAVE TWO HOURS, THERE'S NO RESTROOM FOR THOSE FEET PEOPLE, RIGHT? YEAH.

YEAH.

RESTED, ACCESSIBLE RESTROOMS, PUBLIC ASSESSABLE RESTROOMS AT THE WEIGHT.

AND TO ME, TO ME, I WOULD THINK IT SHOULD BE AT THE STORE WHERE THEY WERE ISSUED THE CEO BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE THAT'S RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

YEAH.

YEAH.

OKAY.

ALL GOOD CATCHES AND THAT MADAM CHAIRMAN, THAT, THAT IS IT.

THAT'S THE LAST OF IT.

ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO PLACE IN HERE? YES, I HAVE.

I HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS.

OKAY.

I'VE EVER RECEIVED.

OKAY.

UM, THESE ARE, LET'S SEE, THIS IS FROM A, OKAY.

THIS IS FROM, UH, ASHLEY WEAVER.

UH, SHE'S A RESTAURANT MANAGER FOR MILLHOUSE.

UH, IT SAYS AS A RESTAURANT OPERATOR, I CAN'T STAND THEM.

I'VE HAD TO ASK FOR DIFFERENT FOOD TRUCKS TO MOVE FROM BEING PARKED IN FRONT OF MY RESTAURANT OVER THE LAST 10 MONTHS.

UH, USUALLY DURING AN URBAN FLEA OR OTHER DOWNTOWN EVENTS, BUT THEY PARKED THEIR TRUCKS IN A WAY THAT BLOCKS MY RESTAURANT FRONT, WHICH OBVIOUSLY DISTRACTS BUSINESS FROM ME TO SOMEONE ELSE.

UH, THAT BEING SAID, AS LONG AS THE FOOD TRUCKS ARE VERY, VERY SEPARATED FROM MY BRICK AND MORTAR, I DON'T SEE IT AFFECTING ME MUCH.

ONCE THEY START MOVING TOWARDS DOWNTOWN AND OR OTHER RESTAURANTS, THEY DO CREATE A SERIOUS NEGATIVE IMPACT, UH, BLOCKING BUSINESSES, PROVIDING CHEAPER ALTERNATIVES, ET CETERA, LONG STORY SHORT.

IT DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY ARE.

UH, I HAVE ANOTHER ONE FROM, UH, CARY HODSON OWNER OF INTRINSIC.

HE SAYS, I DON'T THINK FOOD TRUCKS SOLVE A PROBLEM WITH MAYBE THE EXCEPTION OF EVENTS.

WE HAVE PLENTY OF RESTAURANTS IN MOST AREAS.

I WOULDN'T WANT THEM DOWNTOWN ON A REGULAR BASIS.

UH, WE PURPOSELY DON'T HAVE THEM AT URBAN MARKET BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF THIS ASS.

OKAY.

AND THEN, SORRY, UH, FOR MYSELF, I AM A RESTAURANT OWNER MYSELF ON THE DICKIE'S BARBECUE ON BUCKINGHAM ROAD.

UM, THE, A COUPLE OF THINGS I WOULD LIKE PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT FOOD TRUCKS.

SO FIRST OF ALL, FOR THE, FOR THE CITY, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO ALWAYS BE AWARE OF HOW THE CITY'S MAKING MONEY.

OKAY.

AND WE COLLECT MONEY VIA SALES TAX.

IF A FOOD TRUCK IS NOT, UH, IF THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE ORIGINALLY NOT REGISTERED HERE IN GARLAND.

IF THEY DIDN'T ORIGINATE HERE IN GARLAND AND WE AREN'T COLLECTING ANY SALES TAX ON THEM.

OKAY.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING THEN IS WE'RE ACTUALLY CANNIBALIZING OUR SALES.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEONE WENT TO A FOOD TRUCK PARK ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY RESTAURANT, INSTEAD OF COMING TO MY RESTAURANT, THE CITY IS ACTUALLY LOSING MONEY BECAUSE INSTEAD OF CAPTURING THAT SALES TAX, THEY WOULD HAVE CAPTURED IF THEY WOULD HAVE COME TO SOMEONE WHO IS PAYING SALES TAX ON GARLAND, THE ANOTHER CITY IS ACTUALLY CAPTURING THAT SALES TAX.

SO IT'S CANNIBALIZING OUR SALES TAX, UM, REVENUE.

AND, UH, ANOTHER THING ANOTHER, UM, THE CONCERN I HAVE WITH FOOD TRUCKS IS MAINLY RELATED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, CANNIBALIZING SALES, WHETHER THAT BE FOR A SMALL BUSINESS.

UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE CITIES THAT DON'T HAVE REGULATIONS ON WHERE FOOD TRUCKS CAN BE AND SOMEONE CAN PARK A FOOD TRUCK IN FRONT OF A RESTAURANT, WHICH DEFINITELY CREATES AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE BECAUSE THOSE FOOD TRUCKS AREN'T PAYING RENT THE WAY BRICK AND MORTAR BUILDINGS ARE PAYING AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME OVERHEAD THAT A BRICK AND MORTAR HAS.

UM, SO THEREFORE THEY, YOU KNOW, AND THEY CAN MOVE, THEY CAN MOVE THE RESTAURANT AS WELL.

SO THAT CREATES AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE OVER BRICK AND MORTAR BUSINESSES.

AND, UM, PERSONALLY, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF, I DON'T MIND IF THEY'RE IN A FOOD DESERT AREA.

UM,

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BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN AREAS THAT HAVE, UH, OTHER OPTIONS.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

SO ONE THOUGHT WITH THAT, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, IN DISCUSSING DOWNTOWN IS ITS OWN UNIQUE SITUATION.

AND WE HAVE A LOT OF ORDINANCES RELATED TO THE DOWNTOWN THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY.

UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD BEEN TOYING WITH, UM, WAS JUST RESTRICTING THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THAT FOOD TRUCKS WON'T BE THERE EXCEPT WITH, WITH SPECIAL EVENTS AND JUST MAKE THAT A, THEY CAN'T BE THERE OTHERWISE.

CAUSE THERE'S REALLY NOT.

UM, THERE'S NOT PRIVATE SPACE THERE EXCEPT FOR SPECIAL EVENTS LIKE THE CHURCH.

UM, THE, THE FOUNDRY CHURCH MIGHT HAVE THAT, OR WE MIGHT HAVE IT AT THE SENIOR CENTER.

WE HAVE DONE THAT.

AND OF COURSE THAT'S SPECIAL EVENT, BUT, UM, THEY SHOULDN'T, FOOD TRUCKS SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PARK ON PUBLIC STREETS.

THEY ARE NOT, UM, PUBLIC, THIS ORDINANCE AS DRAFTED HERE WOULD COVER ACTUALLY COVER THAT.

BUT WITHOUT A PERMIT FROM THE CITY, THEY WOULD NOT BE TO BE ABLE TO PARK ON THE STREETS OR AT THE SENIOR CITIZEN AT THE SENIOR, UM, UM, ACTIVITY ACTIVITY CENTER.

THANK YOU.

THE SENIOR ACTIVITY CENTER OR ANYWHERE WHERE ELSE, LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S NOT MANY PRIVATE AREAS DOWNTOWN TO ACTUALLY PUT A FOOD TRUCK MOST, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE TAKING UP REQUIRED PARK.

YEAH.

THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

RIGHT? AND THERE IS NO, NO PLACES NOT REQUIRED DOWNTOWN.

AND EVEN THE FOUNDRY CHURCH THAT HAS THEIR PARKING LOT, THAT THEY REQUIRE MORE THAN THEIR PARKING LOT BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE SAC.

SO, UM, SO I'M JUST SITTING HERE, WALKING, WALKING THROUGH THE DOWNTOWN IN MY MIND AND THINKING, WHERE WOULD THEY, WHERE WOULD THEY LEGALLY BE ABLE TO BE? AND IT'S NOWHERE.

WOW.

I WANT TO BEEN PRETTY MUCH MY, I SPENT MY EXPERIENCE BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU SAID, MADAM CHAIR, THEY'D BEEN THERE DOING SPECIAL EVENTS THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN AN AVID DOWNTOWN OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, SINGLE TWO MILE SPECIAL EVENTS LIKE THAT.

UM, SO, AND I THINK WE, IF WE'D CONTINUED TO ENFORCE THAT, THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

AND WITH THESE RESTRICTIONS AND AGAIN, WITH THE NUMBER OF GO BACK TO THE NUMBER FIVE, THEY JUST CAN'T, THEY CAN'T JUST MASSIVELY, IT ALMOST SAYS THAT ON HIS PHONE ON A FRIDAY NIGHT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE 10, THEY'RE GOING TO CIRCLE THE WAGONS KIND OF KIND OF THINGS.

SO I THINK SUGGESTS THAT, BUT, BUT I THINK AS LONG AS WE, WE ENFORCE THE SPECIAL EVENTS ARE PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO DOWNTOWN AND LIKE YOUR RESTAURANT, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, BECAUSE, UH, I KNOW DALLAS, UH, THEY SHOW OVER THERE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DALLAS DOES, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HARDLY SEE THE MOTHER NEURONAL KLEIN WATER, AND NOW YOU SEE SOME OF THE BICYCLES THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT REALLY A FOOD TRUCK, BUT THAT'S GREAT.

I'VE SEEN SOME OF THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT I THINK AS LONG AS WE, WE REALLY PUSH THIS SPECIAL EVENT, THEY CAN COME AND PARK ACROSS YOUR RESTAURANT JUST ONLY ON THE STREET AND DECIDE TO DO THAT AND, UH, AND DO THE NECESSARY AMENDMENTS AS IT RELATES TO THE GDC.

I THINK NOW LET ME ASK ONE QUESTION.

I LIKE THIS ENFORCEMENT, WHO'S PUTTING MY TOOT, WHO WOULD TAKE THE LEAD ON ENFORCEMENT ISSUES, JIM YOU, OR WOULD IT BE RICK? YES.

ALL THE WAY AROUND.

OKAY.

WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S GOING TO BE A, KIND OF A BASE MULTI-DEPARTMENT EFFORT.

WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT.

UH, RICK AND I AND JASON HAVE ALREADY KIND OF DISCUSSED SOME OF THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO ALL HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER.

AND EACH OF US IS GOING TO PLAY A PART IN THAT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON WHO FINDS IT.

IF, IF THEY START WITH HEALTH AND HEALTH GOES, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO ISSUE A PERMIT FOR THIS FOOD TRUCK.

AND THEY ASK THEM, WHERE ARE YOU GOING? THEY SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING IN FRONT OF DICKIES.

UM, THEN YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO CONTACT THE BUILDING INSPECTION AND CODE.

WE'RE GOING TO TREAT THEM SOMEWHAT LIKE SPECIAL EVENTS TO START WITH.

WE'RE ALL GOING TO HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE PROPERLY LICENSED PROPERTY LOCATED.

AND YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE OPERATING LEGALLY.

SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE BOTH CODE HEALTH AND BUILDING INSPECTION TO MAKE SURE THE CEO'S ARE ISSUED AND ALL THAT ALL WORKING TOGETHER.

SO WE'VE ALREADY GOT A PLAN IN PLACE AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HANDLE THAT.

WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE FORMS YET, BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE TALKED ABOUT A PROCESS IN WHICH TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.

WHAT I'D LIKE, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE ALSO WITH THIS, IF, IF COUNCIL APPROVES THIS, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF HOTLINE, UM, ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE THAT IF SOMEBODY SEES SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, AIR, LAND, GRABBING QUESTION, YOUR RESTAURANT NEXT DAY, YOU, YOU'RE NOT AROUND YOU.

YOU'RE NOT THERE THAT SOMEBODY AS A NUMBER, SOMEBODY COULD CALL IN ONE OF YOUR DEPARTMENTS,

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YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S YOU OR JASON AND RICK AT.

YEAH.

I MEAN, OR SHOULD THEY JUST CALL BILL BI? NORMALLY THEY CALL CODE ENFORCEMENT.

SO CODE ENFORCEMENT CAN GO OUT.

THEY'VE GOT FOLKS OUT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO CHECK IT RAPIDLY, YOU KNOW, WITHIN MINUTES, CHECK TO BE SURE THAT THEY'RE THERE.

SEE IF THAT PERMITTED, YOU KNOW, AND THEN BACK-CHECK HEALTH AND THE BUILDING INSPECTION TO SEE IF THEY'VE MET ALL THE PERMITS.

SO WE CAN CERTAINLY ACCOMPLISH THAT AND EVEN PUT SOMETHING ON OUR, UM, OUR ESS YOU KNOW, OUR MOBILE APP, YOU KNOW, FOR A SPECIFIC FOOD TRUCK TYPE AND SOMETHING ON OUR WEBSITE, SO THAT IF PEOPLE SPOT SOMETHING, IT CAN BE IMMEDIATELY ADDRESSED BECAUSE A LOT OF ITS ACTIVITY, IT TAKES CARE OF TAKES, TAKES PLACE ON WEEKENDS.

I KNOW IT DOES IN MY DISTRICT, IT TAKES PLACE ON WEEKENDS.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW WE'VE GOT CODE FOLKS WHO GET A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WRITE CODE, BUT THEY CAN'T BE ABLE TO WEAR.

AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IF IT POPS UP, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT ADDRESS IF WE GET AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF YOU GO OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OUT THERE ON FRIDAY, SATURDAY, YOU GO OUT THERE AND TEACH.

THEY CON THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY IT'S CHASING THE WAY IN.

SO THAT'S THAT, TREE'S NOT RACIST CONCERNED ABOUT MADAM CHAIR, BUT AS LONG AS YOU GUYS ARE COMFORTABLE, THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE ENFORCEMENT THAT, THAT WE NEED.

I'M GOOD WITH IT.

THANK YOU.

MA'AM CHAIR.

OKAY.

UM, DOES, I'VE GOT TO GO, UH, BEFORE WE CAN AND BASS FOR YOU GO, I WAS CONCERNED WITH THE COMMENT YOU MADE.

AND I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS.

IF WE HAVE A SHOPPING CENTER AND YOU'VE GOT TWO RESTAURANTS AT ONE END AND A GROCERY STORE AT THE OTHER, AND THE GROCERIES, SOMEBODY HAS TALKED TO GROCERY AND STORE INTO ALLOWING A FOOD TRUCK OUT THERE, BUT THAT'S NOT AN AGREEMENT WITH THE, MAYBE THE BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANTS OUT THERE.

HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THAT ADDRESSED? OR, YOU KNOW, SHOULD IT BE VIA THE PROPERTY OWNER? YOU KNOW, CAUSE I WOULDN'T NORMALLY NOTIFY THE RESTAURANTS THAT THE SHOP, YOU KNOW, THAT THE GROCERY STORE WANTED A FOOD TRUCK.

SO I SEE A CONFLICT GOING WITH THAT AND IN SOME OF OUR LARGER SHOPPING CENTERS.

SO I WILL, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME COMPETENT TYPE OF PROVISION THAT'S RELATED TO WHAT, WHAT I ADDRESSED AS A FOOD DESERT.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT IF THERE ARE BRICK AND MORTAR OPTIONS THAT THE FOOD TRUCKS SHOULD BE ALLOWED.

I THINK THE FOOD TRUCKS SHOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED WHERE THERE AREN'T BRICK AND MORTAR OPTIONS.

OKAY.

AND DO YOU WANT US TO MAKE THAT AS AN AMENDMENT? THE ONLY ISSUE THE CEO AND OKAY.

I THINK OUR CITIZENS WOULD HAVE A FIT BECAUSE THEY LOVE FOOD TRUCKS AND THE ORGANIZING AND OVERSEEING, WE WOULD HAVE TO, THIS WOULD ALMOST BE LIKE CDBG AND JUST DEFINE THE AREAS IN OUR CITY THAT ARE FOOD DESERTS AND HAVE THEM, IT WOULD BE A NIGHTMARE TO ENFORCE.

SO I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THAT.

OKAY.

UM, IF THERE'S, IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA, DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION? WELL, I THINK, UH, I THINK MANY TIMES THE OWNER OF THE RETAIL SHOPPING CENTER, UH, YOU CAN CORRECT ME.

AM I WRONG? YOU'LL CERTAINLY BETTER, BETTER POSITION TO, I BELIEVE LEASES.

AND MANY OF, MANY OF THOSE LEASES, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, CONTAIN PROVISIONS ABOUT CERTAIN, HOW MANY RESTAURANTS CAN BE IN THE SHOPPING CENTER.

UM, I KNOW, I KNOW IN FORNEY WE HAVE SOME RETAIL SHOPPING CENTERS WHERE THEY, WHERE IT'S HANDLED BY THE MARKET, THE PRIVATE MARKET, NOT BY THE, BY THE GOVERNMENT.

AND SO, UM, F THE RETAIL SHOPPING CENTER OWNER DESIRES TO HAVE A FOOD TRUCK, UM, ON ITS PREMISES, THEN IT MAY BE IN CONFLICT WITH THE PRIVATE LEASE, MAYBE NOT, UH, BUT IT MAY BE IN CON CONFLICT WITH YOUR LEASE, UM, OR OWNER'S LOCKED YOUR, YOUR LEASE, UH, OTHERWISE, UH, IT, IT WOULD BE, WE COULD ZONE IT OUT AND MAKE IT A ZONING PROVISION.

UM, I SUPPOSE, UM, FOR COMMUNITY RETAIL CENTERS, COMMUNITY RETAIL, AND SOME OTHER DESIGNATED ZONING AREAS, BUT USING THE TERM DESERT W W RE UH, RESTAURANT DESERT, WHAT'D YOU CALL IT? I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO PHRASE IT AS A DESERT.

YOU COULD PHRASE IT AS A, AS A CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, DISTANCE, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, AND A LOT OF RETAIL CENTERS THOUGH, LIKE A LOT OF RETAIL CENTERS, THE, THE CORNER SPOT FOR EXAMPLE, IS A DIFFERENT OWNER THAN THE REST OF THE STRIP.

UM, AND EVEN IN SOME OF THEM, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE SIDE AND IT'S OWNED BY ONE COMPANY AND OTHER SITES OWNED BY DIFFERENT COMPANIES.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF VARIANTS IN THERE.

UM, EVEN THOUGH, YEAH, MOST LEASES ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME KIND OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST CLAUSE, WHICH WOULD KEEP, YOU KNOW, UM, A GROCERY STORE, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR HAVING A FOOD TRUCK RIGHT NEXT TO A RESTAURANT.

BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD KEEP, YOU KNOW, THE WORD, WHATEVER THE TIRE SHOP ON THE CORNER GAS STATION ON THE CORNER FROM HAVING ONE THERE, UM, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY.

UM, SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME TYPE OF PROVISION TO PROTECT THOSE.

UM, SO, AND, UH, AND THAT'D BE FINE WITH A DISTANCE PROVISION AS WELL.

MADAM CHAIR, I THINK YOU, AT THE, I THINK WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WITH THE COUNCIL IS PROBABLY A PHILOSOPHICAL DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT'S A GOOD PUBLIC POLICY ON THIS, BECAUSE I KNOW SOME MEMBERS OF COUNCIL MAY LEAN TOWARD, WELL, THIS IS A PRIVATE

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PROPERTY MATTER.

AND THE PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT THE, THE MARKET SHOULD DECIDE THIS ISSUE.

AND SOME ARE GONNA SAY, WELL, WE REALLY DO NEED TO PROTECT OUR SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE INVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY AND OF WHICH WERE ACTUALLY RECEIVING TAX DOLLARS FROM.

AND SO I THINK IT'LL BE A GOOD SPIRITED PUBLIC POLICY DISCUSSION THAT COUNCIL CAN DECIDE THAT ON DISTANCE WOULD BE ANOTHER WAY THAT WOULDN'T REQUIRE US PARCELING THE CITY OUT INTO DIFFERENT KINDS OF SOUNDS.

SO A, IT CAN BE NO CLOSER THAN X FEET TO AN EXISTING, UM, RESTAURANT.

YEAH.

UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MUCH SIMPLER AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE CAN I GET SOME EXAMPLE LANGUAGE, CERTAINLY.

UM, AGAIN, I THINK THE PUSHBACK WILL COME FROM A PROPERTY OWNER SAYING, OKAY, WAIT, I HAVE SPACE IN MY PROPERTY TO EARN EXTRA INCOME AND TO LEASE OUT THESE DESIGNATED AREAS FOR MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES.

AND YOU'RE TAKING THAT INCOME FROM ME BY CREATING THESE BECAUSE OF A RESTAURANT THAT'S ON THE NEXT PROPERTY OVER.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR, BUT ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW FAR OF A DISTANCE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

I LIKE TO LOOK AT AND SEE WHAT SOME OTHER, YEAH.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.

YEAH.

LOOK AND SEE WHAT SOME OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE.

NUMBER FOUR WORK.

GREAT.

DID WE HAVE THAT IN OUR MATRIX OR METRICS? UM, NOT THAT I RECALL.

THERE WASN'T ANY RULES OR REGULATIONS THAT ANY OTHER CITIES HAD THAT WERE DISTANCES FROM EXISTING, UM, RESTAURANT FACILITIES.

OKAY.

SO WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T KNOW OF ANY, BUT WE'LL LOOK AT A LITTLE DEEPER AND SEE IF WE CAN FIND SOME RESTAURANTS, NOT LIKE THREE STORES BY THEN.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING.

CAUSE WE, WE WENT THROUGH AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, I DON'T KNOW, ALMOST A DOZEN DIFFERENT CITIES THAT WE KIND OF PARSED OUT AND LOOKED AT EACH OF THEIR PROVISIONS.

AND I DIDN'T REMEMBER ANY THAT HAD DISTANCES FROM EXISTING RESTAURANTS.

MY ONLY OTHER THOUGHT WAS, UM, ON SOME OF THAT, BUT WE GET INTO COUNCILOR VASSILIS POINT OF NEXT DOOR.

PROPERTY MAY BE IMPACTED BY WHAT YOU DO ON YOUR PROPERTY, BUT GET AT LEAST WITH THE CEO.

LIKE I SAID, IF THE GROCERY STORE WANTED ONE OR THE GAS STATION, WHY DON'T WE GET THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO SIGN OFF ON IT TOO? THAT WAY, IF HE THINKS HE'S GOT A CONFLICT WITH ONE OF THEIR EXISTING RESTAURANTS, THEY CAN ADDRESS THAT.

BUT OTHERWISE WE STILL DON'T THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY ISSUE OVERALL.

YEAH.

I, UM, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT DISCUSSION WITH COUNSEL, JUST FAMILY ANSWERS BECAUSE THE OPTION, I'M JUST, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT MY, MY BIGGEST SPOT HEADACHE.

IT'S A BIG, BIG BOX.

IT'S A FURNITURE STORE THERE AND I GOT THIS HUGE PARKING LOT.

WELL, THIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S A, A RESTAURANT, SOME PEOPLE, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RESTAURANT AND THEN FOOD ESTABLISHMENT, I HAVE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS AROUND THIS BIG BOX.

THERE NOT SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS, BUT THEY'RE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS.

SO IF WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING IN THE STRICT THEIR USE, DO WE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE DEFINE, HOW DO WE MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT AND A RESTAURANT IS A, I'M GOING TO USE EXAMPLE IS A TACO BELL, A RESTAURANT THAT WAS INTO FOOD STAMPS.

IT'S A RESTAURANT THAT'S RESTAURANT, IT'S CATEGORIZED AS A RESTAURANT.

OKAY.

SO IF THERE'S A TACO BELL HERE AND THERE'S A BURGER KING HERE AND THERE'S A CUTE T THERE, NOW IT'S A GAS STATION.

RIGHT.

BUT IT'S ALSO A FOOD ESTATE.

WELL, SO, BUT IT'S NOT A RESTAURANT.

SO THEY'RE IN A, I S C S CODES THAT ESTABLISH WHAT DIFFERENT BUSINESSES.

RIGHT.

SO WHEN YOU GET INTO THAT DISTANCE AND THAT'S, UH, I SEE SOME MUDDY WATER THERE, NOT ENJOY THE DISCUSSION AND ALSO BE CONCERNED THAT WE DON'T GET INTO AT LEAST PERCEPTION OF SPOT ZONING, OUR ZONING FOLK OUT BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF BUSINESS FOOD, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO PLAY THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE AND LOOK AT BOTH SIDES OF THIS.

ARE WE TARGETING YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR TYPE OF BUSINESS IN AN AREA THAT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE.

SO I THINK THAT OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO OUR TAXPAYERS, BUT I, YEAH.

AND THAT PRODUCT.

SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT BECAUSE I MAILED A SAM IT'S CANCELED.

IT'S RIGHT.

UM, THE GENERAL SENTIMENT, UM, ON BUS TOURS, I TALK TO, THEY LIKED FOOD TRUCKS IS A NOVEL IDEA TO A LOT OF FOLKS IN GARLAND AND THEY GET EXCITED WHEN THEY SEE THEM.

I THINK WHAT THIS DOES, WE PUT SOME TEETH ON REGULATING THEM WHERE THEY CAN POP UP.

THEY CAN'T POP UP RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR RESTAURANT THAT'S THING.

BUT, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE US GO TOWARD QUOTE BANNING THEM BECAUSE I DON'T THINK FROM A PUBLIC STANDPOINT THAT THAT WOULD SIT

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WELL IN GARLAND.

RIGHT THERE, THERE JUST NEEDS TO BE SOME REGULATION.

YEAH.

YEAH.

SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO DISCUSSION.

OKAY.

AND THAT'S REGULATIONS ARE WHAT, WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS, BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN UP TILL NOW KIND OF A WILD WEST SITUATION.

SO WE HAVEN'T HAD A WHOLE LOT OF FRAMEWORK FOR IT.

UM, I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO SEE IF YOU CAN FIND ANY EXAMPLES OF DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FROM EXISTING RESTAURANTS AND RESTAURANTS BEING DEFINED ALREADY AS THEY ARE BEING DEFINED.

AND WE DON'T HAVE TO REINVENT THE WHEEL WITH THEY'RE ALREADY.

IT'S ALREADY DEFINED.

YEAH.

OKAY.

SO, AND I'M THINKING OF ONE EXAMPLE IN MY DISTRICT ALREADY WHERE THIS WOULD BE A PROBLEM.

SO CHIRO LAND, UM, WHICH IS BASICALLY A DESSERT SHOP.

THAT'S EXCELLENT.

IT'S ON THE CORNER OF MAIN STREET AND GARLAND AVENUE.

UM, AND EVERYTHING'S MADE FROM SCRATCH.

EVERYBODY SHOULD GO THERE AND EAT.

UM, SO THEY HAVE A LARGE PARKING LOT.

THEY HAVE AN OUTSIDE DINING AREA WITH A LOT OF PICNIC TABLES AND THEY REGULARLY HAVE A FOOD TRUCK RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S SELLING MEAL FOOD BECAUSE THEY DON'T SELL MEAL FOOD.

THEY SELL DESSERT.

SO THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT KINDS OF TRUCKS OUT IN THE PARKING LOT AND THAT PEOPLE GET MEALS AND THEN THEY BUY DESSERTS.

AND THAT EVERYBODY'S HAPPY.

SO IF WE DO A DISTANCE THING THAT WOULD DO AWAY WITH THEM BEING ABLE TO DO THAT, UM, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, WHATEVER FEET OF, OF, UH, A RESTAURANT ESTABLISHMENT.

SO THERE'S, TO SOME EXTENT, THIS IS, THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT DISCUSSION, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF ANY CITIES, DO WE HAVE ANY EXAMPLES OF CITIES THAT HAVE PUT UP A DISTANCE REQUIREMENT? AND I WOULD NOT WANT TO MAKE FINAL DECISIONS ON THIS IN THE ABSENCE OF COUNCILMAN VERUS SINCE HE WAS THE ONE WHO REFERRED THIS, BUT THESE ARE ALL GOOD, UM, DISCUSSIONS.

AND IF WE CAN TAKE THE JANUARY YUP.

AND, AND BRING BACK THOSE BITS OF INFORMATION.

AWESOME.

I APPRECIATE IT.

ALRIGHT, BYE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

SO YOU IN A COUPLE OF HOURS.

OH YEAH.

OKAY.

YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED, WHAT I NEED.

ALRIGHT.

GOING BACK TO NUMBER TWO, NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY, MATCHING GRANTS FOR SIDEWALKS AND TRAFFIC CALMING.

AND I DON'T SEE JED IN HERE WHO WAS GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT, UH, SIDEWALKS, BUT, UM, ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO THAT? INTERESTING.

DO YOU WANT ME TO TEXT HIM? WHAT ARE YOU PLAY? BECAUSE THAT'S, HE WAS, WE DIDN'T GET TO, UM, WE DIDN'T GET TO THE SIDEWALK DISCUSSION LAST TIME.

AND HE SAID HE WANTED TO, UH, YEAH.

CAN WE GO AHEAD AND HERE'S SCOTT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED.

I JUST, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME WAS, UM, THE, JUST THE FUNDING FOR THE, UH, FOR THE SPEED HUMPS.

THAT WAS ONE THING THAT WE DISCUSSED.

AND, UM, I BELIEVE MR. REX MENTIONED THAT, UM, THE THOUGH THERE'S, THAT PROCESS IS ALSO GOING THROUGH A DESIGN ELEMENT ON THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.

SO IN THE FUTURE, IN THE FUTURE, THESE TWO THINGS MAY MERGE AT SOME POINT, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN DECIDED YET.

WELL, AND WE HAVE, WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION AND THE FACT IS IT'S GOING SO SLOWLY.

WE DON'T WANT TO LINK THIS DIRECTLY TO THAT DECISION.

SO WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS FUNDING.

WE HAVE A SPEED HUMP PROGRAM RIGHT NOW.

AND THE, THE BIG ISSUE IS, UM, A LOT OF CITIZENS IN OUR OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO GET A SPEED HUMP.

THEY WANT A SPEED HUMP.

THEY DON'T HAVE ANY POSSIBILITY OF GETTING FUNDING FOR IT.

SO WE HAD TALKED ABOUT PULLING, PUTTING IT BACK THE WAY IT USED TO BE, WHICH WAS THAT YOU COULD GET, UM, GRANTS TO DO THAT.

AND I THINK THE LAST TIME, UM, WHERE WE LANDED WITH THAT WAS LET ME GET BACK THERE.

UM, AND THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE I EXPECTED REX TO BE HERE.

SO, UM, REX HAD SAID IT MIGHT BE A BETTER OPTION TO CONSIDER PROVIDING NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORHOODS WITH A SEPARATE PROCESS WHEN REQUESTING A SPEED HUMP.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY GRANTS, UM, UP TO $10,000 FOR ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WITHOUT AN HOA THAT'S WAY OVERKILL FOR A 700 OR, OR $1,400 EXPENSE FOR A SPEED HOME.

SURE.

SO, UM, SO I GUESS AS FAR AS SPEED HUMPS GO, THAT'S WHAT I WAS, UH, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT A SEPARATE PROCESS.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE ENVISIONED AND COME UP WITH WHAT

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THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE? I THINK WHEN YOU SAY PROCESS, I WANT TO BE SURE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CHANGING HOW THEY GO ABOUT GETTING APPROVAL FOR SPEED HUMPS IN THEIR AREA.

WE'RE SIMPLY JUST TALKING ABOUT THE FUNDING AND THAT CASE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A SEPARATE APPLICATION PROCESS THROUGH THE MATCHING GRANT OR ANY OTHER.

IT'S JUST, IF, IF THEY GET APPROVED FOR, UM, TO GET THAT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN THE FUNDING CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF ADMINISTRATIVELY THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY, BOND FUND EARNING, OR WHATEVER MR. X HAD ENVISIONED.

BUT I THINK I, I THINK THE FUNDING IS THERE TO, TO PROVIDE FOR IT IF WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE PROCESS ON THE APPROVAL SIDE.

OKAY.

SO I HAVE THREE, NO FOUR DAY BIRDS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE WANTING SPEED HUMPS, AND I'VE TOLD THEM TIME OUT, WAIT A BIT, LET'S SEE HOW THIS GOES.

SO, UM, THEY WOULD CONTACT YOU.

NO, I THINK THEY WOULD STILL GO THROUGH THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT PROCESS FOR THAT.

IT'S JUST WHEN IT, WHEN IT GETS TO THAT APPROVAL AND THAT WE GET THE GO AHEAD OR, OR THEY GIVE THE APPROVAL THAT THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND THE FUNDING, WE JUST TAKE CARE OF INTERNAL.

AND SO WE ARE ABLE TO TELL, AND THIS IS WHERE WE GOT AGAIN, CIRCLING BACK TO WHERE WE GOT LAST TIME, UM, SAYING THAT IT'S FREE FOR EVERYBODY IT'S FREE FOR EVERYBODY.

UM, AT THE POINT THAT IT'S FREE FOR EVERYBODY, THEN WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, IN GENERAL, THE HOA NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE NO PROBLEM FUNDING, SPEED HUMPS, AND THEY ALL HAVE THEM.

RIGHT.

UM, WILL, WILL THEY VOLUNTARILY PAY FOR IT IF IT'S FREE FOR EVERYBODY? NO.

RIGHT.

AND I THINK WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UH, MAKING THE, UM, HAVING THE EXPENSE WAIVED LIMITED TO CDBG AREAS.

WE, WE DID DISCUSS THAT.

YES.

OKAY.

SO, UM, ACCEPTED THE INVITATION TO THE MEETING.

I TEXTED HIM, UH, MAKE SURE HE WAS COMING.

I HAD NOT HEARD BACK FROM HIM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE IS AND I DON'T EITHER.

AND REALLY HE HAD THE PIECE ON THIS BECAUSE HE WANTED TO DISCUSS THE SIDEWALKS IN CONJUNCTION WITH SPEED HUMPS.

SO I WAS, UM, YOU HAVE INFORMATION VERY LIMITED, BUT I WILL DO WHAT I CAN.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, SO YOU WANT HIM TO ASK ABOUT SIDEWALKS OR SPEED HOME? WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE STARTING WITH SPEED HUMPS AND, UM, I'M HEARING, WE'RE JUST KIND OF GOING BACK OVER GROUND.

WE ALREADY, UH, KIND OF EXPLORED LAST TIME.

SO WE'RE MAKING A DECISION ABOUT, AND I THOUGHT WE KIND OF REACHED THE DECISION.

UM, LAST TIME THAT WE WERE PROBABLY GOING TO START SMALL, START WITH CDBG AREAS SAYING YOU CAN, UM, IF YOU'RE IN ONE OF THE DEFINED AREAS, THEN YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THE, THE SPEED HUMP WILL NOT COST YOU MONEY AND SEE HOW THAT GOES.

AND IF THAT IS A SUCCESS, THEN WE CAN, AND DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE, UM, THEN WE COULD EXPAND IT, UH, EXPAND THE PROGRAM LATER.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I LEFT MY NOTES AFTER THE LAST MEETING.

UM, AND WE RAN OUT OF TIME BEFORE WE GOT SIDEWALKS.

SO JUDD'S PIECE WAS SIDEWALKS.

SO IS THAT WHAT YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

UM, SO JUDGE AND I HAVE DISCUSSED SIDEWALKS A LITTLE BIT, UM, IN THE PAST AND I, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, WELL LET ME BACK UP JUST A MINUTE.

I THINK THE REASON THAT WE HAVEN'T USED NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY FUNDS FOR SIDEWALKS IN THE PAST IS BECAUSE WE, WE ALREADY HAD DESIGNATED FUNDS FOR SIDEWALKS THROUGH THE SIDEWALK PARTICIPATION PROGRAM.

AND AS YOU WELL KNOW, COUNCIL MODIFIED THAT THOSE POLICIES ABOUT A YEAR AGO, UM, TO MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE TO PEOPLE AND SO THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY THE FULL 50% ON PARTICIPATION.

I THINK ANOTHER REASON THAT, AND I WANT TO SAY IT WAS PAST COUNCILS WHEN NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY BONDS FIRST CAME ON THE SCENE THAT EXEMPTED SIDEWALKS FROM THE PROGRAM, UM, 2015.

SO PART OF THAT THOUGHT PROCESS IS THAT Y LIKE SUBDIVISION WALLS, SCREENING WALLS, YOU COULD EASILY EAT UP ALL THE MONEY LIKE THAT.

AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY, WHEREAS THE SIDEWALK PARTICIPATION FUNDS ARE SET ASIDE FOR SIDEWALKS.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY BOND FUNDS HAVE A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY IN HOW THEY CAN BE APPLIED.

AND

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SO I THINK THOSE WERE SOME OF THE PHILOSOPHIES THAT WENT INTO IT IN THE PAST AS TO WHY WE WEREN'T USING NEIGHBORHOOD MATCHING GRANT FUNDS FOR SIDEWALKS.

SO THERE'S SOME BACKGROUND TO START FROM.

IS THERE A, IS THERE A SPECIFIC TYPE OF SIDEWALK, PROJECT REQUESTS THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO GET INTO? LIKE FOR INSTANCE, WOULD IT BE A SMALL, UM, PROJECT OR MORE NEIGHBORHOOD WIDE SITUATION? WELL, SO PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN AND BJ THIS, I KNOW YOU HAVE SOME OF THESE SAME ISSUES.

AH, AND THERE HE IS.

UM, SO AGAIN, IN MOST CASES IN MY DISTRICT, THE PLACES THAT ARE DISTRESSED OVER SIDEWALKS, AS WELL AS SPEED HUMPS IN THE SAME, SAME NEIGHBORHOODS, AND MOST OF THEM ARE CDBG DATE NEIGHBORHOODS.

THEY'RE LOW INCOME, THEY'RE OLDER HOUSES.

THERE IS ABS THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY OF THEM COMING UP WITH THEIR 50%, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE, I'VE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THAT W THEY CAN PAY IT OUT INCREMENTALLY.

NONE OF THEM ARE WILLING TO HAVE LIENS PUT ON THEIR HOUSES, EVEN THOUGH I'VE EXPLAINED THAT, THAT IT WON'T HAVE THEIR HOUSE TAKEN AWAY.

AND, AND AS, AS, UH, JEN AND I HAVE DISCUSSED, APPARENTLY WE'RE FLUSHED WITH MONEY RIGHT NOW WITH SIDEWALK FUNDS.

SO, UM, JED, CAN I HAVE YOU JUMP IN BECAUSE WHERE WE, THE WAY WE LEFT IT LAST TIME, UM, WE WERE TALKING FIRST OF ALL, ABOUT SPEED HUMPS AND, UM, AND LOW-INCOME QUALIFIERS THE CDBG AREAS.

AND YOU HAD SAID YOU WOULD BRING BACK ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO THIS MEETING CONCERNING THAT INFORMATION, INCLUDING MAPS, UM, AND THEN TALK ABOUT SIDEWALKS.

SO WE'VE JUST KIND OF BASICALLY RUN OVER THE SAME GROUND AGAIN, ON SPEED HUMPS, WHICH CIRCLED BACK TO SAYING, UH, GOING THROUGH THE NORMAL APPROVAL PROCESS.

BUT IF IT'S A CDBG AREA, WHEN IT GETS TO THE NEEDING MONEY FOR IT, THEN WE HIT THE MAN SITTING RIGHT THERE WHO APPARENTLY HAS TONS OF MONEY.

AND, UH, AND IF IT'S A CDBG ERA, THEN, THEN, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY WOULD FUND THE CITIZEN PORTION.

THAT SEEMS FAIRLY CLEAN AT THIS POINT.

BUT MOVING ONTO THE SIDEWALKS, YOU HAD A LOT OF IMPORTANT PIECES TO THAT.

SO WE WANTED TO HEAR ABOUT THAT.

NOW, IF YOU DON'T MIND THE SIDEWALKS YEAH.

IS OKAY ABOUT PAUL AND ALL THREE OF YOU ARE HERE.

ALL RIGHT.

SO IF I SAY SOMETHING OFF KEY, YOU GUYS GOT TO JUMP IN.

UM, SO THE TWO BUCKETS OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE FOR SIDEWALKS, UM, AND THIS COMES FROM OH FOUR BOND MONEY.

IT COMES FROM 19 BOND MONEY, UM, ARE FOR, UH, EITHER THE SIDEWALK PARTICIPATION PROGRAM, UH, WHICH, UM, THESE NUMBERS ARE FAIRLY UP TO DATE.

WE HAVE ABOUT $5.4 MILLION, UH, IN THE, IN THE PARTICIPATION PROGRAM.

AND THEN, UM, NEW SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION.

SO NON-PARTICIPATION MONEY.

WE HAVE ABOUT $3.2 MILLION AVAILABLE.

UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS BETWEEN OH FOUR BOND MONEY, 2019 MONEY.

AND THEN THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF OTHER MONEY THAT'S KIND OF MIXED IN THERE.

SO IF YOU'RE STRICTLY LOOKING AT THE PARTICIPATION SIDE, PRIMARILY WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS TAKE APPLICATION FOR THAT MONEY.

AND IT'S A 50, 50 OR GREATER, UM, CITIZEN OR CITY PARTICIPATION IN THAT.

UM, THERE IS, THAT'S QUITE A BIT OF MONEY AND, AND STEVE, I THINK WE HAVE A HUNDRED ISH APPLICATIONS KIND OF PENDING FOR THAT PARTICIPATION PROGRAM.

UM, AND WE'RE WORKING.

SO THAT PARTICIPATION PROGRAM IS MOVING FROM ENGINEERING TO STREETS.

UH, THAT TRANSITION IS STILL TAKING PLACE.

UM, ONCE THAT SORT OF GETS UP AND ROARING, UH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THOSE A HUNDRED PLUS APPLICATIONS AND GET THOSE SIDEWALKS BUILT.

AND STEVE AND HIS TEAM ARE DOING SOME OTHER THINGS TO HELP KIND OF MOBILIZE THAT MONEY A LITTLE BIT QUICKER, BUT IT'S STILL A PRETTY BIG POT OF MONEY.

UM, AND $5.4 MILLION IS GOING TO TAKE A WHILE TO SPEND IF IT'S ONE APPLICATION AT A TIME.

SO JUST KIND OF KEEP THAT IN MIND, THE, AS FAR AS THE NEW SIDEWALK MONEY GOES, WHICH IS THE $3.4 MILLION.

UM, OUR THOUGHTS, THERE ARE A FEW FOLD.

UM, IF YOU REALLY TRY TO THINK, UM, AT A HIGH LEVEL AND PRIORITIZE WHERE WE COULD SPEND MONEY ON SIDEWALKS, UM, IT'S CONNECTING IMPORTANT NODES LIKE SCHOOLS OF SHOPPING CENTERS, EMPLOYMENT CENTERS.

UM, THERE ARE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A WAY TO PRIORITIZE THOSE CONNECTIONS THERE.

THERE'S ALSO SORT OF LAST MILE CONNECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE.

SO JUST MISSING GAPS BETWEEN IMPORTANT NODES IN THE COMMUNITY.

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UM, SO IN TALKING WITH THE TEAM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT GOING THROUGH AND ACTUALLY CREATING, UM, FOR LACK OF A BETTER PLAN, A SIDEWALK PLAN, BASICALLY SAYING HERE'S THE IMPORTANT CONNECTIONS THAT WE KNOW DON'T EXIST AND WE NEED TO FILL IN, UM, HERE'S HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST.

AND WE WORK WITH Y'ALL TO PRIORITIZE THAT, AND THEN START TO MOBILIZE THAT MONEY, UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE CONNECTIONS TO SCHOOLS AND EMPLOYMENT CENTERS, OTHER PLACES THAT, THAT JUST NEED TO BE FINISHED OR MADE.

UM, AGAIN, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG POT OF MONEY.

AND AGAIN, WE COULD SPEND THAT BURN THROUGH IT PRETTY QUICKLY.

SO WE DO NEED SOME GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL TO PRIORITIZE IT.

UM, ONE OF THE EASY THINGS TO CHECK OFF, AND I THINK THIS IS ON PAUL'S RADAR IS, UM, A SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOLS PLAN, UPDATE.

UM, WHEN WAS THE LAST ONE KIND OF UPDATED AND CREATED? PAUL, DO YOU RECALL? OKAY, SO IT'S BEEN AWHILE.

UM, SO THAT WOULD BE, AGAIN, WE COULD USE THAT MONEY TO UPDATE THAT PLAN THAT WOULD TELL US OKAY, HERE'S, HERE'S WHERE TO GO AND MAKE THOSE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS AS IT RELATES TO SCHOOLS, THAT'S KIND OF ONE CATEGORY.

SO, UM, IT KIND OF ALL THAT, ALL THAT TO SAY, LONG STORY SHORT THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE A LOT OF MONEY.

UH, BOTH BOND PROGRAMS HAD LOTS OF MONEY IN THERE.

UM, PARTICIPATION WISE, I AM CONCERNED THAT WE, UM, IT MAY BE TO SPEND THAT ON OUR CURRENT PATH, BUT I THINK AS WE GET, GET THE PRO OR THE PROGRAM REALLY GOING AT A QUICK SPEED AND, AND STREAMLINED WE'LL S WE'LL, WE'LL START TO SPEND