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OKAY.

[Community Services Committee on February 1, 2022.]

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ALL RIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, THIS IS TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 1ST, 2022.

IT IS 4:07 PM.

AND THIS IS A MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE.

UM, I AM CHAIR DEBRA MORRIS, AND WITH ME, OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UM, COUNCILMAN ROBERT VERA AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, BJ WILLIAMS, AND A WHOLE ROOM FULL OF STAFF.

SO WE WILL GET STARTED, UM, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

HAVE YOU ALREADY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? YES.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? YES.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING.

THANK YOU.

DO I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND? OKAY.

ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE.

ALRIGHT, SO APPROVED.

ALL RIGHT.

AND WE HAVE A, A HUGE, UM, AGENDA TODAY WITH A LOT OF ITEMS. SO I'M GOING TO ASK US ALL TO BE AS THRIFTY WITH WORDS AS WE CAN SO WE CAN SPEED ALONG.

SO, UM, ITEM NUMBER ONE WAS APPROVAL OF MINUTES, WHICH WE'VE DONE.

ITEM NUMBER TWO IS TO DISCUSS FUNDING OPTIONS FOR SIDEWALKS AND SPEED HUMPS.

THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING AND WHO'S RUNNING WITH THAT JUDGE.

YOU KIND INTRODUCE IT.

OKAY.

YES.

OR ELSE THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL FACE YOU WITH A MICROPHONE.

UH, SO YOU RECALL FROM THAT RECORDING.

OKAY.

SO YOU RECALL FROM LAST MONTH, UH, WE STARTED AS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SIDEWALK PARTICIPATION PROGRAM IN PARTICULAR, UH, KIND OF DID, DID A LITTLE IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.

SO WE WANT TO REPORT BACK ON KIND OF A STATUS UPDATE ON THAT PARTICIPATION PROGRAM.

UM, DIDN'T TALK SO MUCH ABOUT SPEED HUMPS, BUT HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND, AND HOW WE CAN HELP FUND THOSE AS THE REQUESTS COME FROM NEIGHBORS.

UM, SO I'D REALLY, I GUESS, KICK IT OVER TO STEVE OLIVER, UM, FOR THE PARTICIPATION PROGRAM UPDATE THANK YOU.

I LOVE FLOW CHARTS.

ANY OF YOU WHO WANT TO EVER GET SOMETHING? I LOVE FLOW CHARTS, SO ALWAYS FEEL FREE TO GIVE THEM TO ME.

THANK YOU, KIM MORSE AND KATHLEEN WILLIAMS. UH, THE SIDEWALK COST SHARE PROGRAM, OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS A PROGRAM THAT IS SLOWLY TRANSITIONING FROM ENGINEERING TO OUR DEPARTMENT.

WE ACTUALLY KIND OF GAVE YOU AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE ARE.

WE HAVE RECEIVED.

I KNOW MICHAEL KEEPS RECEIVING OCCASIONALLY REQUESTS AND THEY'RE HANDLING SOME OF THOSE REQUESTS, BUT AS WE RECEIVED THEM, WE ARE GOING OUT AND MEASURING AND LOGGING THAT INFORMATION, RECORDING, DETERMINING WHICH ONES QUALIFY FOR THE, UH, THE RE THE COSTUME, WHICH ONES DOWN.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IF THEY DON'T QUALIFY FOR THE COST SHARE, THEN WE ARE NOTIFYING THE CITIZEN THAT THEY DO NOT QUALIFY FOR THE SHARE.

BUT WE ARE IN THAT, UH, WE LOOKED AT, AT FLOURISH FIRST BUBBLE ON THE FLOAT SHORT, IT SAYS FIELD REVIEW AND ESTIMATE.

WE HAVE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A BACKLOG OF 99 REQUESTS.

ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN REVIEWED.

ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN MEASURED.

WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING ESTIMATES FOR ALL OF THOSE.

THEY, THEY ESTIMATE SHOULD BE COMPLETED WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO.

WE HAVE SET UP A MEETING WITH REVENUE RECOVERY FOR LATER THIS WEEK, WEATHER PERMITTING TO, UM, SIT DOWN WITH OUR ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON AND THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON.

AND WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED AT, WE'VE LOOKED AT SO FAR, THE ONES WHERE THE CITIZEN'S REQUESTED.

WE'VE STILL GOT SOME WORKING ON WHERE SOMEONE ELSE KIND OF REQUEST THAT SOMEBODY FIXED HER SIDEWALL.

SO THE ONES THAT ARE VOLUNTARY REQUESTS, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE.

WE'RE GOING TO SIT DOWN WITH THOSE WITH THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH THE PROCESS AND HOW THE PROCESS WORKS.

CAUSE WE WILL, WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT WE WILL COME UP WITH THE RALEIGH ESTIMATE.

WE WILL PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO CUSTOMER SERVICE AND THEY WILL APPLY THE APPROPRIATE DISCOUNTS, UH, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY QUALIFY FOR THE CDBG, WHETHER THEY QUALIFY FOR THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, WHETHER THEY QUALIFY FOR THE SENIOR DISABLED.

SO ONCE THAT, ONCE THAT WE HAVE DETERMINED THE PROCESS IS GOOD, THEN WE'RE GOING TO START FUNNELING THOSE REQUESTS TO, TO THE, UH, REVENUE RECOVERY PERSONS.

WE'LL PROBABLY START, YOU KNOW, IN BATCHES, TRY TO TRY TO LOOK COORDINATE FOR TWO THINGS GEOGRAPHICALLY, AND ALSO BY DATE OF REQUESTS.

AS SOON AS THE REQUESTS CENTER WE'LL GO THERE.

SO AS WE GET THEM, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO JUST FLOOD THEM ALL OF A SUDDEN WITH, BECAUSE THEY ARE, AS WHAT COREY HAD INDICATED TO ME IS THEY'VE BEEN A LITTLE SLOW TRYING TO ON THIS BOB, BECAUSE THEY HAVE JUST BEEN FLOODED WITH THEIR TAX IT'S THE TAX SEASON.

SO THAT'S KIND OF TAKING PRECEDENCE NOW, BUT WE'RE AT THE POINT NOW WHERE WE CAN GET GOING.

AND SO WE'LL DO

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THAT.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE FLOW CHART, LIKE I SAY, WE'RE, WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE IT WOULD BE THAT SECOND, THAT SECOND BOX THERE, WHERE IF WE'RE GOING TO SEND IT TO THEM, AND THEN, THEN, THEN WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE FORM, THE FORM INVOICE THAT WILL GO OUT.

AND WE JUST BASICALLY FILL IN THE NUMBER.

THERE'S A, THERE'S A CALCULATION, ALL THE CALCULATIONS DONE ON THE SPREADSHEET.

AND THAT IN THAT NUMBER GOES TO THEM, THEY FILL IN THE NUMBER IN AND SEND IT OUT TO THE RESIDENCE.

AND OF COURSE THEN THE, UH, YOU GO TO THAT DAMN DECISION POINT IS OKAY IF THE OWNER LOOKS AT THAT AND SAYS, YES, I WANT, I WANT TO DO THAT.

I'M OKAY WITH THAT INVOICE THAT I WILL PAY THAT INVOICE.

NO, IF NOT, IT JUST GOES INTO THE, IT JUST GOES INTO THE, TO THE DEAD, I GUESS, MORE THAN THE DEAD LETTER FILE AS IT WAS.

AND WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT COMPELLING PEOPLE THAT MAKE, THAT MAKE THE REQUEST ON THEIR OWN.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO COMPEL THEM TO FIX IT.

IF THEY CHOOSE THE SIDE THAT THAT'S JUST BEYOND THEIR MEANS TO MAKE THE REPAIR.

BUT IF THEY DO SAY YES, THEN WE WOULD, WE WOULD NOTIFY THAT.

THEN REVENUE RECOVERY WOULD SEND AN EMAIL TO US THAT LET'S GO AHEAD.

AND THAT PERSON IS PAID.

GO AHEAD AND START TO GET A WORK ORDER GOING.

AND THEN ONCE WE GET THE WORK ORDER GOING, ONCE WE COMPLETE THAT WORK ORDER, THEN WE WOULD HAVE A FINAL, WE'D HAVE A FINAL INVOICE NUMBER.

AND SO THAT INVOICE NUMBER, IF THAT, IF THAT REQUIRES THAT THEY PAY MORE THAN WE WOULD HAVE TO RE INVOICE THEM WITH A FINAL BILL, IF WE OWE THEM MONEY, THEN WE COULD, WE WOULD END UP WE'RE FUNDING MONEY WHEN THAT'S, IT THAT'S A DECISION POINT, WHETHER THE BALANCE IS DUE OR THE BALANCE IS CLEAR, THERE'S REALLY ALMOST, YOU COULD CREATE A THIRD DECISION POINT WHEN THE BALANCE IS CLEARED, WHERE IT'S WITHIN.

I THINK THEY TYPICALLY, IF THEY'RE WITHIN $5, THEY DON'T HAVE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO, IT'S JUST NOT WHAT THEY EFFORT TO TRY TO CLICK OR TO COLLECT OR TO REFUND $5.

SO ANYTHING BEYOND THAT, THEN THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD EITHER MAKE A REFUND OR, OR MAKE THE REQUEST AND THEN EITHER PAY THAT.

AND LIKE I SAY, IF THE, IF THE OWNER WANTS THEIR DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, PAYS AND DOESN'T CHOOSE TO PAY, THEN, THEN THEY WOULD, UH, THEY WOULD EITHER GO IN AND THEY ADD IT IN THE, IN, IN THE LANE.

BUT GENERALLY THE LANE IS GOING TO BE MORE TYPICALLY ON THE ONES WHERE THE CITIZEN DIDN'T REQUEST IT, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, IF THEY'RE REQUESTING IT, AND THEN THEY CHOOSE AFTER THE FINDING OF HOW MUCH IT COSTS, THEY SAY, NO, I CAN'T AFFORD THAT.

OR I JUST, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

THEN, THEN IT JUST, IT, IT SITS IN THE, IT SITS IN THE KIND OF THE DEAD LETTER FILE AS IT WERE.

UM, STEVE, LET ME JUST PUT A PAUSE ON THIS.

THIS IS REALLY GOOD AND YOU MAKE IT REALLY EASY TO, TO SCAN DOWN AND, AND SEE THE, THE, HOW THIS WORKS.

SO FOR THE PURPOSE OF, OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, AND I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GREAT THING FOR EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL TO HAVE ACCESS TO, BY THE WAY, I THINK THIS IS NICE AND CLEAR.

UM, OUR DIRECTIVE HERE IS TO BASICALLY TALK ABOUT HOW TO FUND SIDEWALKS AND, UM, HOW TO FUND ON OUR END SIDEWALKS AND, AND STREET HOMES FOR CITIZENS.

SO THIS KIND OF GOES OUT, THE PROCESS IS EXCELLENT.

THIS KIND OF GOES OUTSIDE OF OUR FUND FUNDING DECISION.

SO THIS WAS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS SOLVING THINGS THAT I REQUESTED LAST MONTH TO SAY, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THROUGH THIS? AND YOU, YOU GOT IT.

UM, SO WE HAVE A PROCESS.

I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT.

UM, I HOPE THAT THE 99, THAT THE BACKLOG OF 99, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET TO ZERO IN A VERY SPEEDY WAY.

SO, UM, I GUESS, YEAH, AS THAT SITS, WE'RE LOOKING, WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY IF EVERYTHING WORKS OUT, PROBABLY START, START SENDING THOSE INVOICES, THOSE LETTERS FOR WEEKS.

OKAY.

AND DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT WILL TAKE TO EAT THROUGH THE BACKLOG AND BRING THEM TO RESOLUTION? I WOULD THINK IT WOULD TAKE THE BETTER PART OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, AT LEAST IF NOT LONGER, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A FUNDING STREAM AND A LOT OF IT'S GOING TO DEPEND UPON THE FUNDING AVAILABLE THAT WE'VE GOT IN THE CIP.

I THINK WE'VE GOT A LITTLE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS IN THE CIP, SO IT DEPENDS.

IT REALLY IS GOING TO DEPEND UPON HOW MUCH OF THAT FUNDING GETS EXHAUSTED.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO WITH GENERALLY LOOK AT THAT ON A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE BASIS, BUT WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO GROUP THOSE TOGETHER.

WE'RE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF ACTUALLY BIDDING OUT OUR OWN, UH, CONCRETE SIDEWALK AND CURB AND GUTTER REPAIR PROGRAM.

NOW THE CURBING DINNER'S GOING TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED BY THE CITY, BUT WE ARE GETTING THOSE REQUESTS AS WELL.

I THINK WE HAVE 116 OF THOSE REQUESTS.

THOSE, WE EITHER TRY TO TAKE CARE OF THEM WHEN OUR CONTRACTORS IN THAT AREA, OR MAYBE THIS NEW CONTRACT THAT WE JUST OPENED A DAY THAT'S AT THAT QUOTE UNQUOTE LAST MILE CONTRACT WILL PROBABLY PICK OFF A LOT OF THOSE AS PART OF THAT.

AND THEN SOME OF THEM, IF THEY'RE ON STREETS THAT ARE, DO YOU KNOW, THAT ARE BEYOND THE POINT OF REPAIR

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AND MAYBE THEY'RE SCHEDULED FOR REPLACEMENT, THOSE WE'LL JUST TELL THEM, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT NOW.

WE'LL FIX IT WHEN THE STREET GETS FIXED.

BUT YEAH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE THE BETTER PART AT LEAST A YEAR TO TAKE, TO GET THAT BACK LANE.

AND IN THE PROCESS, WE'LL PROBABLY BE RECEIVING ADDITIONAL, WE'LL BE RECEIVING ADDITIONAL REQUESTS.

SO WE'LL TRY TO ACCELERATE THAT AS BEST WE CAN.

I THINK SOME OF THAT MAY BE FUNDING CONSTRAINTS.

OKAY.

YEAH, BECAUSE THE 99 BACKLOG, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT ACCUMULATED FROM JANUARY LAST YEAR, SO IT ACCUMULATED OVER AN ENTIRE YEAR.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO RUN A YEAR BEHIND, THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

SO, BUT THAT'S ALSO OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT HOW TO FUND.

SO THAT'S AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ISSUE AND IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE SOME ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS.

UM, GOOD TO KNOW.

GOOD TO KNOW.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND A WAY, JUDGE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME THE, ON THE, YOU ASKED ABOUT FUNDING.

SO IN THE CIP AND I WAS AT A MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR FOR SIDEWALK PARTICIPATION PROGRAM.

I KNOW WE HAVE A MILLION THIS YEAR, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS THAT INCLUDED SOME CARRY OVER THAT THE, THE PROGRAM WAS THREE AND A HALF MILLION OVER SET.

WAS IT THREE AND A HALF OVER SEVEN YEARS.

SO IT WAS FINE.

IT WAS A HALF A MILLION A YEAR.

SO LIKE I SAY, WE'VE GOT A MILLION BECAUSE WE'VE GOT BASICALLY A TWO YEARS WORTH OF FUNDING.

SO OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE AT A HALF, WE'RE ROUGHLY AT A HALF A MILLION A YEAR, AND A BALLPARK, STEVE, FOR YOUR, WE HAVE A HUNDRED SITTING OUT THERE ON AVERAGE.

THEY'RE ABOUT HOW MUCH PER REPAIR OR YEAH, I GUESS, AND MAYBE THE HOUSING THAT MUCH TYPICALLY MICHAEL, UM, ANYWHERE FROM, YEAH.

PICK, PICK A CHAIR.

THIS IS LIKE, GOLDILOCKS.

CAN, YOU CAN JUST GO FROM CHAIR TO CHAIR.

DO YOU FIND WHEN YOU LIKE ANY, ANYWHERE, MOST OF THE REPAIRS ARE AVERAGING USUALLY 1500, MAYBE A 2,500 PER PROPERTY IS ON AN AVERAGE, YOU GET A FEW PROPERTIES THAT WILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE, MAYBE 3000, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S A TOTAL, THAT'S THE TOTAL FOR THE PROPERTY.

SO IF IT'S A 50 50, IT'D BE HALF OF THAT.

AND OF COURSE WITH THE ADDITIONAL, UM, REDUCTIONS, IT WOULD ACTUALLY, THE CITY'S PORTION WOULD ACTUALLY BE MORE SO WE'LL BE PAYING MORE OUT OF POCKET.

SO THAT MONEY WILL, THAT FUNDING WILL PROBABLY GO RELATIVELY QUICK AS, AS STEVE WAS SAYING, BUT FOR THE A HUNDRED PROPERTIES HERE, OR YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY IT AT THE, ON THE HIGH END, MAYBE 300,000 FOR THAT TOTAL.

SO THEY OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO CATCH UP WITH THAT.

AND THEN ANY NEW ONES THAT COME IN TRICON, IF THEY'RE USING OUR, I DON'T KNOW WHO YOUR NEW CONTRACT WILL BE WITH THAT'S THAT'S YET TO BE BID, BUT IF THEY'RE USING TRICON, UM, CONTRACT, THEY'RE USUALLY PRETTY QUICK TO GET OUT AND GET, YEAH, WE'RE USING TRACK ON NOW.

AND THEN WHEN WE GET OUR NEW CONTRACT AND IF THE NUMBERS CHANGE, THEN THAT WOULD FORCE US TO OBVIOUSLY LOOK AT OUR ESTIMATES AS WELL.

SO I MAY HAVE TO GO BACK AND RE MODIFY THE ESTIMATES DEPENDING UPON WHAT THE NEW NUMBERS STARTED OUT.

OKAY.

SO, UM, AGAIN, THE, THE CHARTER OF THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE IS, IS FUNDING.

THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY, UM, THIS IS ABOUT FUNDING TO MAKE IT LESS EXPENSIVE FOR CITIZENS TO GET SIDEWALKS AND STREET HUMPS.

SO THAT IS THE EMPHASIS ON THIS AGENDA ITEM.

SO THE, UM, CIP FUNDING OR OTHER FUNDING, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE EQUATION BECAUSE THE MORE WE GIVE BREAKS TO CITIZENS, THE MORE OF OUR FUNDING GETS APPLIED.

SO THAT'S PERTINENT.

UM, BUT WHAT I WANT TO GET TO PRETTY QUICKLY HERE, AND AGAIN, I, I THINK ADDRESSING THE BACKLOG, LOOKING BACK, GETTING THIS CAUGHT UP AND THEN GETTING, GETTING WHERE WE ARE DEALING WITH THESE REAL TIME MOVING FORWARD.

THAT IS ONE OF MY TOP PRIORITIES BECAUSE WE CAN'T KEEP RUNNING A YEAR BEHIND.

AND, UM, MICHAEL, AS YOU WELL KNOW, UM, IT WAS AT LEAST ONE OF MY, UH, ONE OF MY RESIDENTS.

UM, THIS MAKES PEOPLE FURIOUS, UM, AND IT MAKES US LOOK REAL BAD.

SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE.

AND SO FOR RIGHT NOW, UM, THIS IS VERY HELPFUL AND I WANT, I WANT TO SET THE BIGGER ISSUE ASIDE OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO CATCH UP AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS WORKING REAL TIME, MOVING FORWARD.

I WANT TO MAKE THAT SEPARATE FROM WHAT WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON NOW WITH DISCUSSING RELIEVING CITIZENS, DECIDING WHICH IF ANY CITIZENS, WE CAN PROVIDE ASSISTANCE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO, TO GET SIDEWALK REPAIR, TO REPLACE AND TO GET SPEED BUMPS PUT IN.

AND WE GOT MOST OF THE WAY THROUGH SOME OF THESE DECISION POINTS BEFORE.

SO

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WE TALKED ABOUT CDBG AREAS BEING, UM, AN OVERLAY, IF I'M RECALLING CORRECTLY, JUDGE, DO YOU, SO, UH, FOR CDBG AREAS, IT'S SIMPLY, UM, THE, UH, CENSUS TRACT THAT HAS A LMI INDICATOR IN IT, BASICALLY A LOW TO MODERATE INCOME CENSUS TRACT.

THAT'S WHAT WE USE, I THINK FOR THE, SO ON THE SIDEWALK PARTICIPATION PROGRAM, IT'S 50 50, BUT YOU CAN GET AN ADDITIONAL, I THINK IT'S 40, 40%.

IS THAT RIGHT? YES, SIR.

UM, IF YOU'RE IN A CDBG AREA, UH, IF THERE'S A DISABILITY OR A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, YES.

OKAY.

BUT WE WERE ALSO TALKING ABOUT MAKING THAT BASICALLY A, A NO CITIZEN COST, POTENTIALLY SINCE WE HAVE TONS OF SIDEWALK MONEY, APPARENTLY, UM, WE HAD DISCUSSED THAT COUNCIL AND OUR COMMITTEE.

I'M LOOKING TO YOU ON THIS BECAUSE WE KIND OF GOT OFF THE RAILS LAST MONTH WHEN WE FOUND OUT THAT THE TALK ABOUT SIDEWALKS WAS GOING OFF A CLIFF BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T HAPPENING.

UM, DID SOMEBODY JUST PUNCH IN? OH, OKAY.

UM, SO GOING BACK OVER OUR MINUTES, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT USING THE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY MATCHING GRANT FUNDS, UH, FOR SPEED HUMPS AGAIN, WHICH WE USED TO DO ROUTINELY.

SO NEIGHBORHOODS COULD DO THAT THROUGH THE, THE, UM, MATCHING GRANT PROGRAM.

AND, UM, JED, AT THAT POINT YOU HAD SAID THERE THAT WE COULD HAVE A SEPARATE PROCESS FOR REQUESTING THOSE KINDS OF FUNDS WHERE THE MATCHING FUNDS WOULDN'T BE NEEDED FOR THAT.

DID YOU FLUSH THAT OUT ANY, AND DO YOU HAVE SUCH A PROGRAM HANDY? SO I THINK WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME WAS, UM, IF A, IF THE SPEED HUMP HAPPENED TO BE IN AN LMI CENSUS TRACT THAT, UM, A, THAT WOULD BE SORT OF A CHECK BOX THROUGH THE SPEED HUMP PROCESS THAT THEY COULD CHECK, AND THAT WOULD QUALIFY THEM FOR THE POL, IS IT $700 THAT THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE SPEED HUMP? UM, NOW AS FAR AS HOW WE FUND THAT, IT COULD EITHER BE THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY GRANTS LIKE IT WAS PREVIOUSLY, UM, OR WE JUST DO A SIMPLE ALLOCATION THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS TO COVER THAT 700.

OKAY.

WHERE I'M AIMING WITH THIS IS GETTING TO SOME DECISION POINTS SO THAT WE CAN SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE FEEL IS WISE MOVING FORWARD.

SO WHY DON'T WE START? WHY DON'T WE MAKE IT EASY SPEED HUMPS ARE PRETTY STREAMLINED.

SO COMMITTEE, WHERE ARE YOU WITH, UM, US RECOMMENDING TO COUNCIL THAT SPEED HUMPS THAT ARE QUALIFIED.

AND, AND OBVIOUSLY WITH THE PAUL AND THE PROCESSES WE HAVE, THEY HAVE TO MEET ALL THE QUALIFICATIONS TO BE ALLOWED, TO HAVE A STREET HUMP TO BEGIN WITH.

UM, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO I'M ASSUMING GO THROUGH THE SAME PETITION PROCESS.

UM, ONLY WITHOUT THE MONEY, IF IT'S IN A CDBG AREA, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO GET APPROVAL, BUT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO, TO ASK NEIGHBORS TO SIGN A PETITION AND SAY, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS.

SO I BELIEVE LAST TIME FROM MY NOTES, WE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE SAID WITH, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS IN CDBG AREAS THAT WANT STREET HOMES, THAT THEY COULD GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS ONLY WE WOULD FUND THE OTHER HALF OF THE STREET HUMP WITHOUT REQUIRING MONEY FROM THEM.

DOES THAT MEET YOUR RECOLLECTION OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL HAS BETTER IDEAS BJ? WELL, I, YEAH, IT DOES THAT DOES.

YES.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

UM, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST, I THINK WE WENT FORWARD WITH THE TWO.

WE TALKED ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY, CDBG FUNDING SOURCES, UH, PERHAPS, UH, AT OUR NEXT MEETING WENT FORWARD, UH, THAT, UH, WE COULD COME UP WITH SOME, UM, I'M TALKING ABOUT IT ON THE RESIDENT SIDE NOW.

UH, IF YOU COULD BRING BACK MAYBE SOME OPTIONS FOR SOFTENING THE BLOW FOR OUR RESIDENT.

UM, WE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL OF THEM HERE TODAY AND IF A JET, IF YOU CAN LOOK AT SOME, SOME OTHER POSSIBLE OPTIONS AND BRING THOSE BACK SO THAT WE CAN SORT OF MASSAGE THOSE, THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY.

UM, YEAH.

W CDBG THAT THEY VERY WELL COULD BE SOME OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE US COME BACK WITH SOME OPTIONS TO EXPLORE SOFTENING THIS.

HOW CAN WE, HOW CAN WE, UM,

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UM, SOFTEN THIS ON, ON THE, UH, RESIDENT SIDE FOR SPEED HUMPS? YEAH.

SO, I MEAN, JUST BRAINSTORMING A COUPLE OTHER OPTIONS.

UM, WE HAVE CENSUS DATA AVAILABLE FOR, UH, INCOME LEVELS FOR ALL OUR CENSUS TRACKS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL COULD, FOR EXAMPLE, SAY IN, YOU KNOW, FOR CENSUS TRACKS BELOW A CERTAIN INCOME LEVEL, UH, THAT WOULD QUALIFY, UM, CDBG, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE, THE CDBG CENSUS TRACKS, THAT'S ANOTHER CRITERIA, BUT WE COULD COME UP WITH A HANDFUL TO LOOK AT.

THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE ABOUT HIM.

CHAIR, LADY.

I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME OPTIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, FORCED TO LOOK AT AND THEN GO FROM THERE TO, TO BEGIN TO ADDRESS DRESS SIDE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL THINGS, SHIT, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE JET.

I LIKE TO SEE SOME OPTIONS WHEN FORWARD, BECAUSE SINCE THE TRACK INCOME, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW IN MY AREA WE HAVE, UM, THE PETITION PIECE THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, BUT THEY, SOME OF THEM WON'T BE REQUIRED TO GET SIGNED PETITIONS.

OKAY.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW THAT PIECE IS GOING TO WORK.

YOU IT'S, TO ME, THAT'S KIND OF A FINE LINE THERE.

UM, DO YOU, DO YOU NEED, DO YOU NEED NEIGHBORHOOD SORT OF BUY-IN OR DON'T WE, HOW, AND IF THEY DON'T NEED THE PETITION, WHAT'S IT, WHAT'S THAT LOOK LIKE? HOW, HOW DOES, HOW DO, HOW DO WE DETERMINE THAT THERE IS NEIGHBORHOOD BUY-IN IF WE ARE NOT REQUIRING SIGN PETITIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I WANT TO THROW OUT.

I'VE HAD SEVERAL CONSTITUENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHO HAVE HANDICAPPING CONDITIONS.

OKAY.

UM, THEY, AND I KNOW TWO OF THEM THAT I, THAT I KNOW VERY WELL, THEY WOULD NOT QUALIFY FOR CDBG NO SIX, BUT THEY HAVE HANDICAPPING CONDITION DISABILITIES MAY PUT SO, AND I'M SURE WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS ALL ACROSS THE CITY.

I'M NOT SURE TO EXTENT.

SO, UM, SORT OF TO CUT OFF MY, MY JABBERING ON THIS, WE COME BACK WITH SOME OPTIONS.

COULD YOU PUT TOGETHER A LIST? UM, AND SHE, YOU GUYS PUT TOGETHER THE LIST OF POSSIBLE FUNDING, THINGS THAT WE CAN EXPLORE.

AND THEN WE CAN SORT OF MASSAGE THE AMOUNT OF CHARITY IN HERE BEFORE TAKING ANYTHING TO COUNCIL.

CAUSE I, CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THOSE OPTIONS OR WHAT THEY MAY LOOK LIKE.

SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT, THAT I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL MOVING FORWARD.

JED, CAN WE DO THAT? YEAH.

ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE SIGNED PETITION YOU'RE REFERENCING ON SPEED HUMPS.

WE REQUIRE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF SIGNATURES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

RIGHT? I HEARD YOU, SOMEBODY SAID SPINACH, GO, THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT A PROCEDURE OR, UH, WE, WE WOULD REQUIRE NEIGHBORHOOD BUY-IN, BUT NOT NECESSARILY PETITION THAT I MISSED HERE.

I THOUGHT I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY THAT, AM I, AM I IMAGINING WE WOULD STILL NEED? AND I HAD MENTIONED PETITIONS THAT DID NOT REQUIRE THEM TO SAY I'M GOING TO PAY MONEY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THAT'S A PIECE.

OH, OKAY.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

I JUST WANT TO BE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE MONEY PIECE.

NO, BUT OKAY.

THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUY IN WAS THE PACE.

OKAY.

GOOD BUDGET.

YEAH.

HANG ON ONE SEC.

JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION WHEN YOU WERE REFERENCING THE ADA, THE DISABILITIES, RIGHT.

AND WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT SPEED HUMPS WHERE WE TALKING ABOUT SIDEWALKS? I THINK SIDEWALKS, RIGHT.

I'M TALKING BOTH BECAUSE, UM, I'VE GOTTEN RESPONSIBLE FOLKS WHO, AS THEY NAVIGATE AND SOME OF THEM NOW HAVE THE MOBILE, UM, I DON'T KNOW THE MOBILE UNITS AND THEY ACTUALLY MOVE AT THE CURB IN THE STREET THAT I'VE GOT SOME FOLKS WHO ACTUALLY THEY USE THE SIDEWALK, BUT THEY ALSO USE THE STREET HOW TO, YOU KNOW, TO MOVE AROUND.

SO IT'S TALKING ABOUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, GENERALLY SPEAKING, GENERALLY SPEAKING WITH ADA.

NOPE.

THERE WON'T BE A PARTICIPATION PROGRAM IN THAT.

IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE HAVE AN ADA COMPLAINT ABOUT HOW WE HANDLED IT, WE WOULD FIX IT.

IF THEY CAME IN AND SAID WE WOULD COME UP AND WE WOULD TAKE OWNERSHIP FROM THAT AND FIX IT, WE WERE REQUIRED BY FEDERAL LAW TO FIX IT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, OKAY.

WELL IF WE'LL FIX THAT, THEN SCRATCH THAT POINT.

YEAH.

THANK YOU FOR, FOR THAT MRS. CITY ATTORNEY.

OKAY.

BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO COUNCIL, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE EVERYTHING IN ORDER BECAUSE IF YOU NOT READY FOR

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COUNCIL, THERE WILL TEAR IT UP.

NO, WE NEED TO MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR.

YEAH.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

SO ONE THING AT A TIME, SO SPEED BUMPS, I THINK, UM, BJ'S POINT IS WELL TAKEN THAT THERE COULD BE PEOPLE LIVING OUTSIDE CDBG AREAS WHO MIGHT BE IN CENSUS TRACKS WHERE WE HAVE LOWER INCOME LEVELS.

UM, SO HAVING SOME ALTERNATIVES IN, I THINK CERTAINLY INCLUDING CDBG, BUT IF THERE ARE SOME OTHER CATEGORIES THAT ARE NOT VAPOROUS, THAT THEY ARE CLEAR, THEY ARE DEFINED.

WE CAN SAY EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE SO THAT THERE'S, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A, UH, IT'S IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SUBJECTIVE.

SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

AND, AND BRINGING UP PETITIONS, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DOING AWAY WITH THEM.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE, UM, THAT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN EXPLORING AS WELL, WHILE WE'RE ON THAT, UH, THE PETITIONS FOR SPEED HUMPS IS TURNING THAT ENTIRELY INTO AND STEVE, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS, EVEN WITH SOME OTHER THINGS INTO A CITY INITIATED THING THAT TAKES OUR CITIZENS OFF OF HAVING TO GO KNOCK ON THE DOOR OF STRANGERS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE THESE DAYS, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE UNWILLING TO DO THAT, AND THEY ARE AFRAID TO DO THAT.

SO HAVING THIS BE AN A CITY INITIATED THING WHERE INSTEAD OF A PERSON WALKING A PETITION, WHERE WE MAIL LETTERS DIRECTLY TO THE HOMES AND HOPE FOR RESPONSES, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL THAT WOULD WORK.

I THINK WE'RE DOING SOME OF THAT NOW WITH STREET LIGHTS, UH, FOR THE SAME REASON OF NOT HAVING YOUNG WOMEN WALKING DOOR TO DOOR KNOCKING ON STRANGER'S DOORS, BECAUSE THEY'RE SCARED TOO.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD BE SHIFTING MORE AND MORE AWAY FROM PUTTING CITIZENS IN THAT POSITION.

IT'S NOT LIKE IT USED TO BE, SO YEAH, WE CAN EXPLORE THAT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

I KEEP HEARING BEEPS.

SO THEY'RE COMING FROM ALL OVER THE ROOM.

SO IF, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO SPEAK, RAISE YOUR HAND.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, SO JEN, IF YOU CAN BRING THAT BACK, UM, NEXT MONTH AND NOW SIDEWALKS, LET'S SEE WHAT KIND OF CLARITY WE CAN GET TO AS FAR AS SIDEWALKS.

SO, AND AGAIN, THIS IS HOW TO MAKE THE FUNDING ON THE CITIZENS SIDE FUNDING FOR SIDEWALKS RATIONAL AND IN REACH FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD IT.

BECAUSE AGAIN, IN HOS, IN, YOU KNOW, MOST OF OUR WEALTHIER NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY CAN AFFORD NEW SIDEWALKS.

THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE, A LOT OF THE HOMES IN MY DISTRICT AND B DAYS DISTRICT AND IN, UH, MR. VARIOUS DISTRICT WEEK THAT THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT.

SO, UM, AND ALONG THE SAME LINE, AND MAYBE THIS WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO BRING BACK, HAVE THIS BE UNIFORM.

SO IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY, UM, CDBG AREAS AND CENSUS TRACKS BELOW A CERTAIN INCOME ARE ELIGIBLE FOR FREE OR REDUCED, UM, SIDEWALK PARTICIPATION, THEN, I MEAN, WE ALREADY HAVE A GREAT SIDEWALK PARTICIPATION, BUT WHERE WE WOULD GO THE LAST MILE IN PAYING SO THAT THEY CAN GET SIDEWALKS DONE.

IF I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT WE DO 50, 50, THAT'S KIND OF THE MAX CONTRIBUTION, UM, FROM, FROM CITIZENS, UH, THEY CAN GET ANOTHER 40% IF THEY QUALIFY FOR CERTAIN THINGS, HOMESTEAD, EXEMPTION, CDBG, UM, AND THEN DISABILITY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE OTHER 10% THAT, AND SOME OF THEM AREN'T OLD, SO IT CAN BE MORE THAN 10%.

SO WE HAVE PEOPLE LIVING IN THOSE INCOME AREAS THAT ARE YOUNG FAMILIES.

THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THIS, AND THEY, THEY DON'T SEE THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING THE MONEY TO DO THIS IN THEIR FORESEEABLE FUTURE.

SO I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO SAY ONLY 10%, BUT, UM, HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION SHOULD BE A NATURAL, WE CAN COUNT ON THE 50%.

SO IT COULD BE UP TO THE REST OF THAT BALANCE THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT IF THEY WERE IN ONE OF THESE LOWER INCOME AREAS.

OKAY.

SO IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE IT BE THE SAME BETWEEN SPEED HUMPS AND, UM, SIDEWALKS, THE UNIFORM AND THE, ON THE FUNDING SIDE, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS QUESTION WILL COME UP BOTH AT THE COMMITTEE AND COUNCIL LEVEL IS, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW FAR CAN WE STRETCH OUR SIDEWALK PARTICIPATION PROGRAM, FUNDS MILLION DOLLARS WE HAVE IN THE POT FOR THIS YEAR AND THE PROPOSED CIP.

UM, IF WE HAVE,

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IF WE SAY WE GET A HUNDRED APPLICATIONS A YEAR, UM, MICHAEL, YOU KIND OF SAID ABOUT 2,500 MAX, UM, PAY OUT.

SO EVEN IF WE'RE PAYING A HUNDRED PERCENT ON A HUNDRED APPLICATIONS A YEAR, THAT'S 250,000, DIDN'T HAVE MILLION, TWO AND A HALF MILLION.

SORRY.

I WAS OFF OF MAGNITUDE OF 10.

I MEANT TO SAY THAT JUST TO GIVE US A SENSE THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CLOSE THAT THAT'S A A HUNDRED PERCENT PARTICIPATION ON THE CITY'S PART.

UM, EVEN IF IT'S 90%.

SO WE GOT GOTTA, WE DO NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

SO WE YOU'LL RECALL.

WE HAVE TWO BUCKETS OF FUNDING.

WE HAVE THE PARTICIPATION DOLLARS, AND THEN WE HAVE NEW SIDEWALK MONEY THAT IS MORE MEANT FOR STAFF INITIATED PROJECTS, WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO CLOSE A GAP BETWEEN SCHOOLS AND A NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT SORT OF THING.

UM, AND SO THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY COUNCIL COULD SAY, LET'S TAKE THAT MONEY AND ALLOCATE IT TOWARD, UM, REALLY SUBSIDIZING OF THE PARTICIPATION PROGRAM.

UM, THAT'S AN OPTION, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OR NEW MONEY THAT WE COME UP WITH ADA FALLS UNDER THE NEW, IN THE NEW SIDEWALK FUNDING.

SO ANY RAMPS AND IN FRONT OF BEING PAID FOR THOSE ARE THE EASY ONES, BECAUSE THAT'S CLEAR, BUT, UM, OKAY, WELL, SO, AND, AND SO THERE'S LEVELS HERE, UM, ARE SIDEWALKS MORE IMPORTANT? I'LL JUST ASK YOU, ARE SIDEWALKS MORE IMPORTANT THAN SPEED HUMPS? YES, YES.

AGREED.

SO, UM, AS FAR AS HELPING PEOPLE, I THINK SIDEWALKS NEED TO BE OUR TOP PRIORITY BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO TRIP AND FALL ON JUST, I'VE TOLD YOU ALL THIS BEFORE I ACTUALLY FELL IN, BROKE MY FOOT ON THE SIDEWALK AND MY NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE THIS.

UM, SO, UH, IT HAPPENS.

AND FORTUNATELY I WAS SEMI YOUNG ENOUGH TO BOUNCE INSTEAD OF BREAKING EVERY BONE IN MY BODY, BUT WE REALLY DON'T WANT THAT TO SPEAK TO PEOPLE IN OUR CITY.

SO, UM, SIDEWALKS ARE TOP PRIORITIES, SPEED BUMPS ARE IMPORTANT AND THEY'RE GREATLY DESIRED.

BUT, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO PRIORITIZING AND LOOKING AT FUNDING, I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO BE FINE, FRANKLY, WHICH IS GOING BACK TO THE WAY WE USED TO DO IT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY GRANTS, BEING LEGITIMATELY ABLE TO BE USED FOR SPEED HUMPS, UH, THAT WAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD TO WORK TOGETHER THAT TOOK CARE OF THEY HAD TO FORM.

UM, UM, I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS, SCOTT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN ORGANIZATION, A RECOGNIZED ORGANIZATION, OR NO.

OKAY.

AND WITH THE MATCHING GRANT UP TO $10,000, THEY DON'T MATCH.

SO THIS WOULD BE SIMPLY A MATTER OF SAYING SPEED HUMPS, WHICH USED TO BE UNDER THAT PROGRAM.

AND THAT WE TOOK OUT FROM UNDER THAT PROGRAM, THE WAY YOU JUST PUT IT BACK UNDER THAT PROGRAM.

AND THAT SORT OF JUST LEAVE THAT IN LAPS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY MY, THAT WAS ACTUALLY WHAT I, I STARTED THIS WHOLE ISSUE THINKING, OH, EIGHT, WE USED TO DO IT THAT WAY.

THEN WE STOPPED DOING IT THAT WAY.

AND A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS ARE IN DISTRESS.

IF WE PUT IT BACK INTO THAT PROGRAM, WE COULD JUST LET THAT RUN AND WE WOULD HAVE OUR HANDS OFF OF IT WITHOUT HAVING TO DO ANY OF THE REST OF THIS.

ARE WE TALKING SPEED? HUMPS, SPEED, HUMPS, JUST TALKING SPEED HUMPS, BECAUSE I'VE TRANSITIONED TO SIDEWALKS.

SORRY.

I'M I JERKED IT BACK TO SPEED HUMPS.

SO, UM, DO BOTH OF YOU RECALL WHEN WE HAD SPEED HUMPS UNDER THE MATCHING GRANT PROGRAM? BECAUSE THAT WAS FOR SOME YEARS, I BELIEVE I'M LOOKING IN MY OTHER LIFE.

YES.

OKAY.

SO IF, IF WE WANT TO JUST SKIP OVER THAT AND FOCUS ON SIDEWALKS AND REDUCING COSTS FOR SIDEWALKS, DO WE WANT TO JUST MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT SPEED HUMPS GO BACK UNDER THE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY MATCHING GRANTS AND JUST LET THAT PROGRAM RUN LIKE IT USED TO, WELL, I THINK THAT'S I'M CHAIR.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD OPTION, BUT WE STILL GOT, UH, STILL THE OTHER REQUESTS THAT WE'VE MADE.

I STILL WOULD LIKE THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T HAVE FARM TO GROUPS IF YOU WILL.

OKAY.

SO WE DON'T WANT, I DON'T THINK WE DON'T WANT TO PUT IT UNDER NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S HOW THE EXCLUSIVE, EXCLUSIVELY, WHERE YOU REQUIRE A GROUP, WE WE'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO REACH.

THOSE ARE THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T HAVE OFFICIAL GROUPS OR ORGANIZATION.

SO

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I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH BRINGING BACK THE OLD WAY, BUT I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THAT THERE'S ALSO A PROVISION FOR THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T HAVE OFFICIALLY FOR A FORMED GROUPS.

YEAH.

SO WE WOULD BE ASKING YOU TO BRING BACK OPTIONS.

AND ONE OF THE OPTIONS ABOUT CENSUS TRACKS ABOUT CDBG AND ONE OF THE OPTIONS WOULD BE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY MATCHING GRANT, WHICH THESE ARE NOT EXCLUSIVE OF EACH OTHER.

YEAH.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

LET'S, LET'S JUST BRING THAT BACK AS AN OPTION.

OKAY.

CAN I THROW ANOTHER OPTION OUT THERE? UH, SO I MEAN, IT'S, AGAIN, PAUL AT $700, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND GENERALLY HOW MANY REQUESTS PER YEAR DO WE GET ON SPEED HUMPS? UH, I'D HAVE TO LOOK, I DON'T KNOW.

OKAY.

NOT A HIP POCKET NUMBER.

HUH.

SO, WELL THEN WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT IS THAT, I MEAN, FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT TALKING ABOUT A HUGE HIT.

AND SO I THINK ONE OF THE OPTIONS TO THROW OUT THERE IS DO WE JUST ELIMINATE THE PARTICIPATION PART OF THAT ALTOGETHER, REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU'RE AT? UM, WE'LL THROW THAT IN THERE AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.

SO Y'ALL CAN LOOK AT, LOOK AT THAT CDBG TRACKS AND INCOME BASED ONE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY MATCHING GRANTS, OR DO WE JUST GET RID OF THAT ALTOGETHER AND, UM, FUND THAT THROUGH, THROUGH SOME SOURCE.

UM, AND ANY OTHER COME UP, YOU MAY THINK OF SOMETHING ELSE AFTERWARDS TOO.

UM, BUT WE'LL CHASE IT DOWN AND BRING IT BACK.

THAT'S FINE WITH ME.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

GOOD, GOOD SUGGESTION.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WITH THE SAME, WE CAN'T DO THAT ELIMINATE WITH, UM, ACROSS THE BOARD WITH SIDEWALKS, BUT TAKING THE OTHER THINGS SENSE.

CENSUS TRACKS, THE CDBG.

UM, HAVE WE EVER, SCOTT, HAVE WE EVER HAD SIDEWALKS BE UNDER THE, THE MATCHING GRANTS PROGRAM? YES, WE DID.

UP UNTIL 2015.

SEE, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.

THAT WAS WHEN WE ALSO HAD SPEED HUMPS.

WE HAD BOTH OF THOSE UNDER THAT, UM, GRANT PROGRAM, SO THAT NEIGHBORHOODS COULD COOPERATE TOGETHER TO HAVE A BLOCK OF SIDEWALKS REPLACED THROUGH THE MATCHING GRANT PROGRAM.

WE'LL WE'LL, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE, BUT WE'LL BRING IT BACK AS AN OPTION.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER OPTIONS ABOUT SIDEWALKS? I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR IT REAL QUICK FOR KEVIN.

UM, THE, THE 10% THAT THAT SAY I WOULD HAVE TO PAY MY CURRENT RIGHT JET ON THE, ON THE, THE CITIZENS AMOUNT.

KEVIN, IS THAT ONE PAY IN FULL, IS THAT, CAN I PAY THAT CANNOT BE THAT LIKE I USED TO SEE AS APPROACH TO, TO PAY THAT BALANCE OR DO I HAVE TO PAY IT IN FULL KEVIN, MICHAEL, OR WHOEVER CAN HANDLE IT.

THEN I THROW IT TO KEVIN, KEVIN, I THROW IT TO YOU CHRISTIE, BUT WHOEVER WANTS TO SPEAK TO THAT.

AND THEY'RE UNDER THE ORDINANCE THAT WE REVISED BACK IN JUNE, OR I THINK IT WAS JUNE OR JULY OF 20, 21 OR 2020.

I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH YEAR IT WAS.

UM, WE ADDED THAT IN THERE THAT WE EXTENDED OUT THE PAYMENT PLAN.

ALSO, THERE ARE PAYMENT PLANS BASED ON THE AMOUNT THAT YOU HAVE THAT YOU OWE, UH, THE MINIMUM PAYMENT PLAN BEING 36 MONTHS, AND THEN THERE'S 48 AND 60 MONTHS, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH THEY OWE.

SO THERE IS A WAY TO SOFTEN THAT FOR THE, FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING THAT THEY CAN MAKE A PIE PAYMENT PLAN OPTION, ACCORDING TO OUR ORDINANCE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

WOULD YOU MAKE THAT A PART OF WHAT JOE, COME BACK WITH THAT INFORMATION, MICHAEL, SORT OF, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK.

YEAH, WELL, THEY, UM, AGAIN, THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE PARTICIPATION PART OF IT, BUT, UM, IF AT TIMES WE'VE, I GUESS WE'VE PLACED LIENS FOR SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS ON, NON-PROPERTY TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, JUST BECAUSE IT'S GOOD INFORMATION FOR YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT THAT HAPPENED.

AND IN THE CASE OF THE PAYMENT PLAN, THERE IS A LIEN PUT ON THE PROPERTY UNTIL IT'S PAID IN FULL.

AND THEN ONCE THEY'VE PAID IN FULL, WE RELEASED THE LIEN ON THE PROPERTY AND IN, IN SITUATIONS WHERE THERE'S ADA COMPLIANCE ISSUES IN THOSE, SOME OF THOSE CASES WE'VE ACTUALLY FORCED THE PROPERTY OWNERS BECAUSE THERE IS AN ADA COMPLIANT ROUTE THAT WE HAVE TO GET CORRECTED.

CITY PAYS FOR ALL THE RAMPS.

THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE STILL RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SIDEWALKS.

SO WE, WE, IN THAT SENSE, WE ACTUALLY FORCED THEM INTO THAT, THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM, THEY STILL GET ALL THE REDUCTIONS THAT THEY QUALIFY, HOMESTEAD, CDBG, ET CETERA.

UM, BUT THEY WILL BE FORCED INTO PARTICIPATING AT THAT POINT, IF IT'S AN ADA COMPLIANCE ISSUE, THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A PERSON THAT'S IN A WHEELCHAIR THAT MAY TRY

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TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B FROM THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD OVER TO A, A, A NEIGHBORHOOD MARKET OR, OR SOME OTHER LOCATION.

AND IN THAT CASE WE HAVE, UM, AND SO USING LESS THAN TERMS, BUT WE DO FORCE PEOPLE INTO IT.

AND THOSE REASONINGS, MOST PEOPLE THERE, THERE'S ONLY ABOUT THREE.

UM, I BELIEVE WE ONLY HAVE THREE SIDEWALKS AT THIS TIME AND ALL THE ONES THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THAT HAVE MADE THE PAYMENT PLAN.

MOST PEOPLE PAY UP FRONT.

UH, IT'S VERY FEW PAYMENT PLANS THAT WE'VE ISSUED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.

I THINK MICHAEL, I THINK ADDING TO THAT, WHATEVER WE COME OUT OF THIS, WITH THAT, THE MARKETING, I THINK THE PLAY, THE PAYMENT PLAN, WHETHER WE PUT IT OUT AS PART OF OUR MARKETING THING, THE TIMES WE'RE IN, I THINK PEOPLE WILL WANT TO PARTICIPATE.

I THINK THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT THOSE OPTIONS ON A PAYMENT PLAN, UM, FIVE, 10 YEARS AGO BACK WHEN YOU WRITE, UH, BUT TIMES HAVE CHANGED.

AND I THINK WE MAY HAVE MORE PEOPLE LOOKING TO LESSEN THE BLOW WHO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO LESSEN THE BLOW ON IT.

SO IF YOU CAN BRING THAT INFORMATION BACK, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

UH, I WILL SAY WITH THAT, I HAVE WITH A LOT OF MY RESIDENTS WHO DESPERATELY WANT NEW SIDEWALKS, I HAVE GONE OVER THAT.

STAFF HAS GONE OVER THAT WITH THEM AT GREAT LENGTH.

AND THE ANSWER IS NOT JUST, NO, THEY WILL NOT LET A LIEN BE PUT ON THEIR HOUSE.

THEY'RE TERRIFIED IT THEY'RE OLD SCHOOL.

THEY WILL NOT DO THAT.

AND THEY WILL HAVE A, A MESS AND A DISASTER, BUT THEY WILL NOT ALLOW A LIEN TO BE PLACED ON THEIR HOME.

SO THAT HAS BEEN LESS USEFUL THAN IT SOUNDS IN, IN REAL LIFE SITUATIONS.

BUT THAT, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE OFFER AND IT MAKES I WOULD DO IT, BUT A LOT OF MY CONSTITUENTS UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES AS WELL, UM, ESPECIALLY THE OLDER ONES, SO, OKAY.

UH, SIDEWALKS.

I SAID, NO SIDEWALKS.

RIGHT.

AND THAT'S, AND THEN THEY JUST LIVE WITH A ROTTEN SIDE SIDEWALKS AND THEY LIVE WITH NO SIDEWALKS.

THAT'S IT.

OKAY, GOOD.

IF YOU CAN COME BACK YEAH.

WITH THE, UM, A MENU THAT WE CAN PICK AND CHOOSE FROM NEXT TIME, AS FAR AS, UM, PATH TO MOVE FORWARD.

GOT IT.

THEN I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

AND STEVE, THANK YOU.

AND AGAIN, I LOVE YOUR FLOW CHART AND THIS MAKES IT MUCH MORE CLEAR TO ME THAT UH, YEAH.

YEAH.

HE THINKS AND FLOWCHARTS.

I KNOW THAT MAN.

YES.

UM, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO THIS IS A GOOD PLAN.

SO LIKE I SAID, WE MAY, UM, NOT US IN THIS COMMITTEE, BUT TH THAT WOULD BE, UH, THE, HOW TO, HOW TO KICK THIS INTO HIGH GEAR, GIVE YOU ALL THE RESOURCES THAT YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO NOT ONLY CATCH UP, BUT TO KEEP THIS REAL TIME MOVING FORWARD.

SO WE'RE NOT ALWAYS A YEAR BEHIND SOMEHOW OR OTHER.

WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO DO THAT.

AND, UM, WHATEVER IT TAKES.

SO ISSUING OUR OWN CONTRACT WILL HELP, HELP EXPEDITE THAT.

YEAH.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO THE NEXT, UM, ISSUE AND SEE HOW WE DO.

OKAY.

ARD AND JASON.

UM, I'M WATCHING THE CLOCK.

WE MAY STILL, THERE'S STILL HOPE.

UM, IT'S PROBABLY NOT HOPE FOR YOU.

IT'S HOPE FOR ME THAT IT WON'T BE LIFTING.

GET DEEP.

YOU'VE GOT AN HOUR.

THIS SHOULD BE FAIRLY QUICK THOUGH.

OKAY.

WELL, YOU, YOU JUST JINXED IT BY SAYING THAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH, BUT GO AHEAD.

THIS IS, THIS IS ITEM THREE, DISCUSS A REGULATION OF FOOD, TRUCKS AND TRAILERS.

THANK YOU.

MADAM CHAIR, LADY, AND, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

YOU ALL SENT ME AWAY LAST TIME TO FINALIZE IN THEORY, THE, UH, MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE, UM, ORDINANCE.

AND JUST AS A QUICK REMINDER, I'LL DO A VERY QUICK SYNOPSIS AND REVIEW OF WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT THIS ORDINANCE COVERS.

AND THEN WE'LL GET TO THE HIGHLIGHTED PORTION OF WATCH, WHICH IS WHAT Y'ALL ASKED ME TO ADD LAST TIME TO REVIEW.

AND SO, JUST AS A REMINDER, THE MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES ARE VEHICLES WHERE FOOD IS PREPARED WITHIN THAT VEHICLE ONSITE.

AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CATERING TRUCKS, WHERE WE HAVE, UM, UM, FOOD THAT WAS PREPARED SOMEWHERE ELSE AND BROUGHT THAT'S.

THIS ORDINANCE DOES NOT COVER THAT.

UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST SECTION W THERE, THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS, IT'S THE NUMBER ONE IS PRIVATE PROPERTY.

AND WHAT THIS PARTICULAR SECTION SAYS IN ESSENCE IS THAT IF A FOOD MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY MUST HAVE THAT CEO

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FOR THAT.

UM, UH, FOR THAT MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE, THERE IS A DEFENSE TO PROSECUTION HERE, AND THAT IS FOR, UM, SPECIAL EVENTS.

AND SO IF YOU HAVE PRIVATE PROPERTY LIKE A CHURCH, AND YOU WANT TO HAVE AN EVENT WHERE YOU BRING IN SEVERAL MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES FOR THAT EVENT, THEN YOU CAN GO AND GET A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR THAT.

AND YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO GET A CEO THAT IS COVERED.

IF YOU FLIP THE PAGE TO SUBSECTION THREE WRITTEN AUTHORIZATION IN ORDER TO HAVE IT, UM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE WRITTEN AUTHORIZATION FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER.

UM, IF YOU'RE GOING TO OPERATE A MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE ON SITE, THERE IS NO ONSITE DINING AND SUB-SECTION FOR THE HOURS OF OPERATION AS DIRECTED BY THIS COMMITTEE, UM, ARE 7:00 AM TO 11:00 PM.

AND THEN NUMBER SEVEN IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES ON YOUR PROPERTY, UM, SUBSECTION SEVEN, A AND LESS IT'S OTHERWISE EXPRESSLY AUTHORIZED BY THE GDC OR OTHER ZONING REGULATION, AND THAT OTHER ZONING REGULATION COULD BE A PD.

AND SO IF SOMEONE, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, COUNCILMAN VIERA AND YOUR DISTRICT, I'M THINKING OF THE CARWASH, IF THEY WANTED TO COME FORWARD AND SAY, OKAY, RIGHT NOW, THIS IS CURRENTLY OPERATING AS A PRIMARY USE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT USING THE CARWASH.

THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPTION TO COME TO COUNCIL, COME TO PLAN COMMISSION AND SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO, I'D LIKE A ZONING CHANGE TO A PD THAT WOULD ALLOW THIS PARTICULAR USE.

SO THEY WOULD HAVE THAT OPTION.

AND IT WOULD, OF COURSE THE COUNCIL WOULD ULTIMATELY MAKE THE DECISION IF THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE ON THE SIDE OR NOT.

THE OWNER IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS WHERE THE FOOD TRUCK, THE MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES OPERATE.

UM, THE SITE PLAN HAS TO INDICATE THE PARKING SPACES THAT THEY WOULD TAKE UP.

AND THAT HAS TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

THAT IS, IT CANNOT TAKE UP SO MANY PARKING SPACES TO WHERE THE SITE'S NO LONGER IN COMPLIANCE WITH MANDATORY PARKING, UM, MINIMUM PARKING SUBSECTION, 70, Y'ALL DIRECTED THAT YOU'LL ALL WANT TO DELIMIT IT TO FIVE DESIGNATED AREAS PER PREMISE, FOR OPERATION OF THESE MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES.

AND OF COURSE THE EXCEPTION STILL IS A SPECIAL EVENT.

AND SO IF THERE'S A, UH, THEY WANT TO HAVE MORE FOR A SPECIAL EVENT, THEY CERTAINLY COME GET A PERMIT FOR THAT.

AND THEN WE GET TO SUBSECTION E, WHICH IS THE FIRST HIGHLIGHTED PORTION, AND THIS IS ALL SENT ME AWAY AND DIRECTED THAT I COME UP WITH SOME LANGUAGE FOR, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE BE WITHIN 500 FEET OF A RESTROOM THAT IT'S EXPRESSLY STATES, THAT THE RESTROOM IS OPEN PUBLICLY ASSESSABLE AND ALSO PERMANENT RESTROOM FACILITY.

SO WHAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN IS THE FOOD TRUCK SHOW UP WITH THE PORT-A-POTTY AND DROP IT OFF.

AND THEN, UM, AND SO I THREW IN THE PERMANENT RESTROOM FACILITY IN THERE.

I'M GOING TO PUT SOME COMMENTS IN THERE.

I LEFT THEM OFF IN HAND.

UM, JUST, UM, FOR YOUR GRAMMAR NAZIS, I WILL IN THE FINAL VERSION, MAKE SURE I'M KIND OF SPEAKING TO YOU.

I WILL PUT COMMENTS AND AN AND IN THERE, AND IT WILL BE AN OXFORD COMMENT AS WELL.

UM, SUBSECTION SEVEN F, AND THIS IS THE 200 FEET.

UH, THE MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE MAY NOT OPERATE WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE FRONT DOOR OF A BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANT, UNLESS THEY GET PERMISSION FROM THE RESTAURANT OWNER.

AND THAT IS IT ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

IT LOOKS GREAT.

DOMAIN CITY ATTORNEY, I THINK.

THANK YOU.

HIT A HOME RUN.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS MINIATURE, MR. VERA, DOES THIS SUIT YOU, WHEN YOU SAY THAT THEY'VE GOT TO HAVE A REGULAR RESTROOM? YES.

POTTY, THOSE PARTY PARTIES ARE NOT GOING TO CUT IT.

OKAY.

THAT GOOD.

THAT'S GOOD FOR THIS CAR WASH THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

CAUSE THEY GOT TO HAVE A RESTROOM.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THAT WORK DID THAT MAYBE.

ARE WE ALL GOOD? READY FOR THIS TO GO TO COUNCIL? YOU DID GOOD.

EVEN WITHOUT COMMENTS, RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON TO ITEM FOUR, DISCUSS PARK FEE STRUCTURE FOR SENIOR CITIZENS.

AND THIS REALLY SHOULD ALSO KNOCK ON WOOD BE FAST BECAUSE, AND THEY HIT US ALREADY SAID THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE QUICK WHOLE YOUR QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

OKAY.

YES, WE HAVE JUST REALLY QUICK SLIDES CAUSE I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE Y'ALL HAD THE BACKGROUND.

SO CURRENTLY AT OUR RECREATION CENTERS, WE JUST HAVE ONE OPTION FOR THE FITNESS ROOMS AND THAT'S UH, UM, ONE AGE GROUP IT'S JUST 16 AND UP.

SO IT'S $40 A YEAR

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OR THEY CAN DO $8 A MONTH AND THEY CAN DO A DAY PASS FOR $5.

AND AT OUR TWO SENIOR CENTERS, UM, WE DON'T CHARGE ANY FEE FOR USE OF THE FITNESS EQUIPMENT.

I DID SOME BENCHMARK DATA, UM, AND IT'S VERY COMMON FOR MEMBERSHIPS AT RECREATION CENTERS TO BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY ARE AT TRADITIONAL SENIOR CENTERS.

UM, BUT MOST CITIES DO HAVE SOME SORT OF A SENIOR DISCOUNT AT THE RECREATION CENTER AND THOSE RANGE ANYWHERE FROM $25 FOR A YEAR UP TO $180.

SO I SPOKE WITH STAFF AND WE TALKED THROUGH AND WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD A PROPOSED, UM, SENIOR CITIZEN DISCOUNT.

AND THAT WOULD BE AT OUR RECREATION CENTERS.

IT WOULD BE $20 FOR THE YEAR.

SO WE'RE BASICALLY CUTTING IT IN HALF OF WHAT AN ANNUAL UH, MEMBERSHIP IS FOR, UM, CURRENTLY.

AND WE WOULD START THAT FOR AGES 65 AND UP THAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION.

AND AT THE SENIOR CENTERS, WE WOULDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES.

WE WOULD STILL HAVE NO FEES.

SO, SO THE BIGGEST CHANGE WILL BE THE 40 TO 20 AVAILABLE FOR SENIORS TO HAVE AN ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP AT THE NEW AND IMPROVED REC CENTER RENOVATIONS THAT INCLUDE NEW FITNESS FACILITIES.

SO ARE WE GOOD? YEAH.

GOOD, GOOD, FANTASTIC.

THAT WAS EASY.

WELL THEN SHE DID IT.

THAT'S FINE.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND OUR SENIORS WILL, WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE VERY APPRECIATIVE, UH, SLICING SOMETHING 50%.

IT'S A BIG TO THEM.

SO, SO ANDY, THAT APPRECIATE THE WORK ON THIS.

YEAH, BUT MY, MY QUESTION ON THIS IS WHEN THIS GOES FORWARD, MADAM CHAIR.

OH, OKAY.

SO MY NEXT STEP, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP IN THE MR. CITY ATTORNEY, WE'LL DO IT TO THE FEE ORDINANCE AND, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THE ORDINANCE WILL PRESENT TO COUNCIL TO THE FULL COUNCIL WILL BE AMENDMENT TO THE FEE ORDINANCE REFLECTING THE NEW FEES.

SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO PART OF THE SCHEDULE FEES FOR DURING BUDGET.

YEAH.

W F IF THEY WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THE BUDGET, WE CAN WAIT OR IF THEY WANT TO MAKE IT EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, WE CAN DO IT IMMEDIATELY.

YEAH.

MY CHAIR, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK OUT OF TURN, BUT I LIKE THIS EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE MR. ATTORNEY ALSO.

YEAH.

OKAY.

WE WILL WORK ON THAT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

GREAT.

FULLY ALL ISSUES WITH THAT SIMPLE, INCLUDING THE NEXT ONE.

SO WE ARE NOW TO ITEM FIVE, DISCUSS DOG PARK RULES, WHICH AS YOU ALL COMMITTEE, IF YOU WILL REMEMBER WHEN THIS WAS PRESENTED, UM, BASIC THINGS WERE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.

I FORGET WHEN SIX WEEKS AGO OR SO, UM, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THE ISSUES, A NUMBER OF THE RULES THAT WERE NOT WELL RECEIVED AND, AND INCLUDING SOME BY ME.

SO, UM, ANYWAY, ANDY, GO AHEAD.

SURE.

SO WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE IS JUST TO KIND OF A SUMMARY, AND I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE TO SHOW, I'M GOING TO GO ACTUALLY INTO THE PRESENTATION, THEN COME BACK TO THE ORDINANCE CHANGES JUST BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE PART OF THE DISCUSSION, WHATEVER IS DECIDED UPON.

I JUST WANTED TO PUT THE IMAGE IN EVERYONE'S MIND.

SIGNAGE IS VERY IMPORTANT.

EDUCATION IS IMPORTANT.

UH, WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION AMONGST OURSELVES AND IS WITH ANIMAL CONTROL, UH, ANIMAL SERVICES.

SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THOSE SIGNS WOULD LOOK LIKE RIGHT NOW.

THEY'RE NOT IN THE MOST VISIBLE LOCATION.

UM, THIS IS A DRAFT.

SO THIS RULE SIGN WOULD THEN BE ALTERED TO REFLECT WHATEVER COUNCIL'S DESIRE IS.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT SOME OTHER SIGNS WHEN YOU'RE THERE AND HOW YOU WOULD LOCATE THEM.

UM, HERE'S JUST SOME IDEAS WHERE WE WOULD, UH, MOVE THE ENTRY SIGNS TO WHERE THEY'RE AT EACH PADDOCK AS YOU GO IN, YOU CAN'T MISS THEM.

UM, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE INDIVID, THESE PADDOCK RULES WOULD BE RIGHT ON THE GATE.

YOU CAN'T MISS THEM.

THEY WOULD HAVE THE LARGE DOG AND THE SMALL DOG DESIGNATION THAT THE PADDOCKS, UM, THAT WE WOULD MOVE, YOU WOULD HAVE THE CLOSED SIGN AND RED, AS YOU SEE RIGHT HERE AS PART OF THE MAIN SIGN.

AND AS WE ROTATE THE TWO PADDOCKS OUT OF THE THREE, YOU PUT THE S YOU ROTATE THE SIZE OF DOG ON THOSE.

SO IT'S, IT'S VERY CLEAR AND VERY EASY WHEN YOU WALK UP ONTO THE FACILITY.

AND THEN AS WE DECIDE WHAT THE INDIVIDUAL ISSUES ARE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CONVEY, THESE ARE THE TYPES OF SIGNS THAT YOU'LL SEE INSIDE THAT ARE FRIENDLY REMINDERS OF THE RULES AND ETIQUETTE RATHER THAN IT BEING OVERLY HEAVY HANDED.

UM, SO AGAIN, ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE SIGNS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE INSIDE.

SO LET ME GO TO THE, KIND OF THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF THIS.

THIS IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY OUT THERE ON THE SIGNS ARE THESE, UH, DOG PARK RULES.

AND OUR INTENT WAS TO HELP CODIFY THOSE, OR AT LEAST REORGANIZE THOSE THAT MIGHT ALREADY BE IN THE CODE.

THEY'RE JUST BURIED IN DIFFERENT PLACES, MAKES IT EASIER TO FIND, UH, SHOULD WE NEED THEM? SO WHAT WE DID IS TOOK THOSE RULES THAT WERE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL BEFORE HIGHLIGHTED THE ONES THAT WE RECALL AS BEST OUR MEMORY THAT WERE OF

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SOMEWHAT OF A DEBATE.

AND WE'LL BRING THOSE BACK HERE FOR, TO MAKE, UH, FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE.

UM, SO I CAN HIGHLIGHT THOSE VERY BRIEFLY IF THEY'RE HARD TO READ.

SO NUMBER THREE, UM, WE WANTED TO CLEAN UP THE LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S OBVIOUS, UM, WHAT THAT SIZE LIMIT IS, UH, FOR THE PADDOCKS AND HAVE SOME ABILITY TO ENFORCE THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS, UH, THE THINGS THAT I KNOW THAT WE DEAL WITH AND M SERVICES DEAL WITH ARE FOLKS THAT REFUSE EVEN KNOWINGLY TO FOLLOW THAT RULE.

AND IT, AND IT IS A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTOR, UH, TO, UH, DOG AGGRESSION, UH, NUMBER FIVE, UH, PICKING UP AFTER YOURSELF OR AFTER YOUR DOG RATHER, UM, NUMBER SIX, ANOTHER ONE THAT'S, UH, THAT WAS A SUBJECT OF DEBATE IS I THINK THE INTENT OF THAT AT ONE TIME WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE GOT FOLKS IN THERE THAT ARE ABLE TO HANDLE THE DOG.

UM, BUT PART OF THAT PROVISION PROHIBITED, UM, CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF 10 TO BE IN THE DOG PARK AT ALL.

I KNOW THAT'S A GREAT SOURCE OF DEBATE.

UM, NUMBER NINE, NO WOUNDED SICK OR DOG IN HEAT SHOULD BE BROUGHT INTO THE PARK.

AND ANOTHER ONE FOR DEBATE WAS FOOD TOYS AND GLASS CONTAINERS ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THE PARK.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON HERE THAT WE WANT TO ENTERTAIN FOR DISCUSSION? GO AHEAD.

I'M SORRY.

OH, ANDY, NUMBER SIX.

I REMEMBER THE SESSION TO THE FINAL PIECE OF THAT CHILDREN UNDER AGE 10, ALLOW THEM IN THE DOLL PARK.

AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I REMEMBER THAT THAT STIRRED UP QUITE A POT.

YES, SIR.

UM, IF WHAT, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE OTHER CUMBERLY COMPARABLY SIDE, UH, CITIES DOING IN THAT AREA? UH, WHAT'S THE INDUSTRY, UH, MAYBE YOUR ART, WHAT WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE INDUSTRY PRACTICE ON THAT? WHAT IF, WHAT IF I, AS A PARENT, WHAT IF I'M CHILD SITTING, UH, AND I WANT TO GET OUT OF THE HOUSE AND I'VE GOT A NINE YEAR OLD AND 10 YEAR OLD, AND I WANT TO GO TO DEL PARK.

SO WHAT THIS SAYS THAT I COULD NOT TAKE MY KIDS TO THE DOG PARK, UM, TO THE PARK PERIOD, NOT TO MENTION ENTERING, YOU KNOW, THE EARS FOR THE DOG, SEXY RUN AROUND.

IN OTHER WORDS, IT WOULD BE A VIOLATION FOR ME TO HAVE THAT KID IN THE PARK PERIOD IS THAT IT, IT WOULD ONLY BE IN THE DOG PARK, PADDOCKS ITSELF.

AND SO IT WOULD BE IN THE PADDOCK, RIGHT.

BUT IF I HAVE MY NINE AND 10 YEAR OLD IN THE PARK, THAT'S NOT A VIOLATION, CORRECT.

JUST IN THAT.

SO I'M OFFERING HERE TO THAT, TO SHOW KIND OF SOME PROPOSED OPTIONS TO LOOK AT, UM, THAT IT'D BE A PERSON OF 16 YEARS OF AGE TO HANDLE A DOG WITHIN THE PARK.

AND THEN THE BOTTOM ONE IS A PERSON UNDER THE AGE OF 12 MUST BE ACCOMPANIED BY AN ADULT OVER THE AGE OF 17 TO ENTER AND REMAIN WITHIN THE DOG PARK.

UM, THOSE TWO CAN BE CONSIDERED AN ALTERED COMPLETELY SEPARATELY.

UM, I, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK FOR ANIMAL SERVICES, BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOME CHALLENGES FOR ENFORCEMENT.

YEAH.

I WOULD SUGGEST THEN IF THAT'S THE INTENT OF THIS IS IT'S IN THE ADULT IT'S BEHAVIORS, CHILDREN UNDER 10 FROM BEING IN ADULT PETS.

IS THAT, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WORDED, NOT PROHIBITED.

YOU'RE NOT PROHIBITED FROM BEING IN THE ADULT PART.

YOU JUST CANNOT BE IN CERTAIN PLACES IN THE DOG PARK.

CORRECT.

SO INSIDE THE DOG PADDOCKS YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE A TENANT, IF YOU'RE UNDER 10, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE IN THERE AT ALL.

OKAY.

AND THE PROPOSED OPTION TO CONSIDER IS MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE ACCOMPANIED BY AN ADULT OVER 17, BUT IF I'M OUTSIDE OF THE PADDOCKS, IS THAT OKAY? YES, SIR.

THAT INSIGHT THAT WOULD BE IN THE GENERAL PARK AREA IS NOT AN ISSUE.

OKAY.

BUT THIS IS, I'M LOOKING AT IT.

THE LANGUAGE SAYS IN THE DOG PARK AND MOST PEOPLE, IF YOU UP TO THEM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY DRIVE UP TO THE PARKING LOT AND GET OUT, THEY THINK I'M IN THE DOPE PART.

I SEE YOUR POINT.

YES, SIR.

OKAY.

SO WHAT I'M SAYING THAT IF I GET, GET OUT OF THE CAR WITH MY NINE YEAR OLD AND MY 10 YEAR OLD I'M IN THE DOG PARK, THEY, WHEN THEY PULL UP, GET OUT OF THE CAR, MOST PEOPLE THINK I'M IN THE DOG PARK.

NOT THAT THEY WERE IN THE DOG PADDOCKS, BUT I'M AN ADULT PARK.

SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE LOOK AT THAT