[Call to Order]
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WELL, GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE FEBRUARY 1ST, 2022 REGULAR MEETING OF THE GARLAND CITY COUNCIL. IT IS THE CUSTOM AND TRADITION OF THIS CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE AN INVOCATION AND RECITAL OF THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR MEETINGS, LED BY ONE OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS.
YOU ARE INVITED TO PARTICIPATE IF YOU SO CHOOSE, BUT YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED AND YOUR DECISIONS WILL NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON OUR DECISIONS HERE THIS EVENING.
HAVING SAID THAT, WE WILL BE LED THIS EVENING BY COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE FROM DISTRICT THREE, SIR.
NOW WITH ME. OUR LORD AND OUR GOD, [INAUDIBLE], WHO IS BY THY MIGHT LEAD US INTO THE LIGHT.
KEEP US NOW FOREVER IN THE PATH WE PRAY.
FATHER, WE ENTER INTO YOUR PRESENCE THIS EVENING ON THE HEELS OF A MOST BEAUTIFUL HOLIDAY SEASON THANKSGIVING, CHRISTMAS, NEW YEAR'S EVE AND THE CELEBRATION OF MARTIN LUTHER KING HOLIDAY. THERE THE A COMMON THREAD [INAUDIBLE] THAT SEEKS TO UNITE US THROUGHOUT THIS SEASON. PEACE ON EARTH.
GOODWILL TOWARDS ALL HUMANITY.
AND SO WE ASK NOW, LORD, THAT YOU ENTER INTO OUR HEARTS, OUR MINDS, OUR SPIRITS.
AND WE ONCE AGAIN TAKE UP THE MANTLE OF SERVANT LEADERSHIP.
REMIND US TONIGHT THAT WE'RE NOT IN COMPETITION, BUT IN COOPERATION, BECAUSE THE EARTH IS THE LORD'S AND THE FULLNESS THEREOF, THE WORLD AND ALL OF US WHO DWELL THEREIN.
HELP US TO REMEMBER THAT WE CAN INDEED DO ALL THINGS WHEN WE WORK TOGETHER AS ONE FOR THE COMMON GOOD OF ALL AND THEN COMFORT US IN KNOWING WE'RE ALL IMPORTANT, NONE GREATER OR LESSER THAN THE OTHER.
WE'RE ALL GREAT BECAUSE WE CAN ALL SERVE.
AND SO NOW, LORD, WE ASK THAT YOU WATCH OVER AND PROTECT THOSE WHO WATCH OVER AND PROTECT US, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, POLICE, FIRE, DOCTORS, NURSES AND MILITARY.
WE ASK YOUR BLESSINGS ON THE MANY AND THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO WILL BE ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL THIS SEASON, SEEKING ELECTED OFFICE TO SERVE IN THE VARIOUS PLACES OF GOVERNANCE.
IT'S A TREMENDOUS SACRIFICE WHEN PEOPLE GIVE UP THEIR TIME, TALENTS AND TREASURES TO SERVE COMMUNITY AND COUNTRY.
WE PRAY THAT ALL THE WHOLE TRUTH, THAT ALL THEY HOLD DEAR, THAT THEY REMEMBER THAT WE ARE ALL IN THIS THING TOGETHER.
AND IF THERE EVER WERE THE TIME FATHER THAT WE NEEDED YOU, WE NEED YOU RIGHT NOW.
WE NEED YOU, LORD. WE NEED YOU.
WATCH OVER US, OPEN THE EYES OF OUR HEART THAT WE MIGHT SEE YOU, AND WE'LL BE CAREFUL TO GIVE YOU HONOR, PRAISE AND GLORY.
IT'S THE MIGHTY WONDERFUL, POWERFUL NAME, YOUR NAME THAT WE PRAY AND ALL OF GOD'S CHILDREN TOGETHER DID SAY AMEN.
WELL, THIS IS OUR FIRST MEETING OF EVERY MONTH.
[Mayoral Proclamations, Recognitions and Announcements]
WE HAVE OUR PET OF THE MONTH.SO WHO IS IT TONIGHT? SO TONIGHT I HAVE CHIQUITA.
SHE'S SEVEN YEARS OLD AND SHE'S A CHIHUAHUA MIX THAT CAME INTO OUR CARE AND SHE IS READY FOR HER FOREVER HOME.
SO JUST STOP ON BY WHENEVER YOU'RE LOOKING FOR HER.
SHE DOES WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE ARE MOVING NEXT WEEK, SO WE'RE DOING A MOVING SALE. ALL ADOPTIONS ARE TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS UNTIL SATURDAY.
THAT INCLUDES YOUR MICROCHIP, SPAY AND NEUTER AND VACCINES.
AND IF YOU'RE AN EXTRA, EXTRA SPECIAL PERSON, AS IN A CITY OF GARLAND EMPLOYEE, A POLICE OFFICER, FIREFIGHTER, VETERAN, GISD TEACHER, ESPECIALLY SINCE THOSE TEACHERS ARE GOING TO BE OUT ON THURSDAY, YOU CAN STOP BY AT THE SHELTER AND WE'LL SPONSOR YOUR ADOPTION.
[INAUDIBLE]. THANK YOU FOR COMING THIS EVENING AND I HOPE YOU'RE NOT IN YOUR NEW HOME VERY LONG.
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ACTUALLY, MY WIFE ALREADY SHOWED ME CHIQUITA'S PICTURE EARLIER IN THE WEEK, SO THERE'S A VERY GOOD OPPORTUNITY THAT CHIQUITA MAY BE COMING TO MY HOUSE SOON.WE'LL SEE HOW THAT PLAYS ITSELF OUT.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.
[Consent Agenda]
FIRST ITEM WE HAVE IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA AND COUNCIL-- CITY SECRETARY, LET ME KNOW.JUST BEFORE WE STARTED THAT WE HAVE-- HAD A CITIZEN-- WE HAVE A CITIZEN ONLINE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON ITEM 2B.
SO WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PULL THAT ITEM.
BUT LET ME GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ITEM ONE-- I SHOULD SAY ALL ITEMS UNDER THIS SECTION ARE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY A SINGLE MOTION OF COUNCIL WITHOUT DISCUSSION.
COUNCIL HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW EACH OF THESE ITEMS AT A PREVIOUS WORK SESSION, AND APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AUTHORIZES THE CITY MANAGER TO IMPLEMENT EACH ITEM, I'LL ANNOUNCE THE AGENDA AND OBVIOUSLY PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE OR THE CITY COUNCIL TO REQUEST THAT AN ITEM BE REMOVED AND CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.
ITEM 1, IS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE JANUARY 18TH, 2022 REGULAR MEETING.
ITEM 2 CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING BIDS.
ITEM 2A, FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE DESIGN SERVICES.
ITEM 2C, ZION ROAD INTERSTATE 30 SERVICE ROAD WATER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS.
ITEM 2D, GP&L ELM GROVE SUBSTATION EXPANSION CONTROL HOUSE.
ITEM 2E, DETENTION CENTER CAMERA REPLACEMENT.
ITEM 2F, GP&L ELM GROVE SUBSTATION EXPANSION CONDUIT AND CONTROL CABLE.
ITEM 2G, GP&L OLINGER UNIT ONE CIRCULATING SYSTEM CROSS TIE FEASIBILITY STUDY.
ITEM 2H, OLINGER UNIT FOUR GAS TURBINE, HIGH VELOCITY, HOT OIL FLUSH.
ITEM 2I, TMPA KEITH SWITCH TO STEEP HOLLOW 138KV TRANSMISSION LINE REBUILD ENGINEERING DESIGN SERVICES ADDENDUM.
ITEM 2J, POLICE STATION SECURITY IMPROVEMENTS.
ITEM 2K, GP&L INTERCONNECTION STUDY.
ITEM 2L, FIRE STATION NUMBER SIX ADDITIONAL DESIGN SERVICES.
ITEM 2M, TRANSFORMERS FOR WAREHOUSE INVENTORY.
ITEM 3, A PUBLIC HEARING WAS PREVIOUSLY CONDUCTED ON THE FOLLOWING ZONING CASE.
COUNCIL APPROVED THE REQUEST AND INSTRUCTED STAFF TO BRING FORWARD THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCE FOR CONSIDERATION.
ITEM 3A, WITH ZONING FILE NUMBER Z 21-42, LARS ANDERSON AND ASSOCIATES INC.
ITEM 4, CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 33 TRANSPORTATION OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS, PROVIDING A PENALTY UNDER PROVISIONS OF SECTION 10.05 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS, PROVIDING A SAVINGS CLAUSE, PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE AND SETTING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
ITEM 5, CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE REAPPOINTING RICK SCHIMMEL AS ASSOCIATE JUDGE OF THE MUNICIPAL COURT OF THE CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS, AND APPOINTING SONJA GALBRAITH AS THE ASSOCIATE JUDGE OF THE MUNICIPAL COURT OF THE CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. ITEM 6, CONSIDERED BY MINUTE ACTION, THE APPROVAL OF ONE PURCHASE AGREEMENT NEGOTIATED TO DATE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER IN THE AMOUNT OF $723,144.
YES. ITEM 7, CONSIDER BY MINUTE ACTION THE APPROVAL OF ONE PURCHASE AGREEMENT NEGOTIATED TO DATE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER IN THE AMOUNT OF $181,968 AND THE LAST ITEM NUMBER 8, CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION OF A GRANT APPLICATION TO THE OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR CERTAIN PUBLIC SAFETY, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND HOMELAND SECURITY PROJECTS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
THAT IS THE CONSENT AGENDA WITHOUT ITEM 2B.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANY OF THESE ITEMS PULL TO CONSIDER SEPARATE?
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SEEING NONE, COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE.I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BASS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCLUSION OF ITEM 2B AND I THINK I SAID A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BASS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU COULD PREPARE THE VOTE FOR US, PLEASE.
AND COUNCIL. AND, [COUGH] EXCUSE ME, AND DISPLAY THE VOTE, PLEASE.
AND THOSE ITEMS ARE APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.
NOW WE WILL GO BACK TO ITEM 2B.
2B IS LANDFILL CELL NUMBER NINE CONSTRUCTION.
MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU COULD BRING UP OUR ONLINE SPEAKER.
[INAUDIBLE] LEMAY, THE CITIZEN THAT WAS REQUESTING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, IS NO LONGER ON ZOOM. OK.
ALL RIGHT, DID-- I'M ASSUMING WE LOST CONNECTION WITH THEM OR? OK.
WELL, WITH THAT-- I DON'T HAVE ANY RECORD OF WHAT THIS PERSON WANTED TO SPEAK ON AS FAR AS ITEM 2B IS CONSIDERED.
SO I THINK THAT WE WILL GO AHEAD AND TAKE ACTION ON IT.
COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE. MAKE A MOTION YES, SIR.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE AND A SECOND BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMS TO APPROVE ITEM 2B.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU CAN PREPARE THE VOTE FOR US, PLEASE.
AND DISPLAY THE VOTE, AND THAT ITEM IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.
AT THIS POINT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
MADAM SPEAKER, CAN YOU REVIEW THE SPEAKER REGULATIONS, PLEASE? YES, SIR. THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IS GIVEN TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY RATHER THAN TO QUESTION THE CITY COUNCIL OR STAFF.
THE CHAIR MAY CALL THE SPEAKER OUT OF ORDER IF THE SPEAKER PRESENTS QUESTIONS OR REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION THAT WILL UNDULY DELAY THE TRANSACTION OF BUSINESS AT THE MEETING.
SPEAKERS APPEARING IN THE CHAMBER WILL SPEAK FIRST AND THE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS WILL FOLLOW.
SPEAKER SHALL BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK ON A FIRST COME, FIRST TO SPEAK BASIS AS DETERMINED BY THE ORDER IN WHICH THE SECRETARY RECEIVES THE SPEAKER'S INFORMATION.
VIRTUAL SPEAKERS PLEASE USE THE RAISE YOUR HAND FEATURE ON ZOOM.
IF YOU ARE DIALING IN FOR AUDIO, YOU MAY PRESS STAR NINE IN ORDER TO BE RECOGNIZED BY THE MODERATOR. ONCE THE LINE IS OPEN, THE SPEAKER SHOULD PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE AND LOWER THE VOLUME ON ALL DEVICES.
APPLICANTS ARE ALLOWED TEN MINUTES FOR PRESENTATIONS, AND ALL OTHER SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
WHEN THE PODIUM BUZZER SOUNDS, THE SPEAKER MUST END THEIR COMMENTS.
VIRTUAL SPEAKERS WILL BE INFORMED BY THE CLERK WHEN THEIR TIME HAS ELAPSED.
MAYOR LEMAY, WE HAVE SPEAKERS ON ALL OF THE ZONING CASES TONIGHT, AND THEY ALL HAVE REGISTERED. YOU HAVE TWO CARDS AND THEN I HAVE ONE THAT REGISTERED ON THE KIOSK.
OUR FIRST ITEM UNDER THIS SECTION IS ITEM 9, [COUGH] EXCUSE ME, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON
[9. Hold a Public Hearing on the 2022 Proposed CIP]
THE 2022 PROPOSED CIP.IS THERE ANYONE HERE TONIGHT WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND SEEING NO SPEAKERS COMING FORWARD, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE WILL CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSIONS ON THE CIP.
THIS WILL BE AT OUR MEETINGS ON THE 14TH AND 15TH.
THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 10 HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS, THE FIRST ITEM IS ITEM 10A CONSIDER A
[Items 10A & 10B]
SPECIFIC USE PROVISION RENEWAL REQUEST BY AMRO ISSA - CROWN CASTLE FOR AN EXISTING CELL TOWER. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 3209 SOUTH SHILOH ROAD IN DISTRICT FIVE.THIS ITEM ALSO HAS A SECOND PART THAT IS TO CONSIDER A SITE PLAN.
MR. GARRETT. YES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
GOOD EVENING. THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO RENEW AN SUP FOR AN EXISTING CELL TOWER.
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THE LOCATION IS 3209 SOUTH SHILOH ROAD.THE ACREAGE OF THE OVERALL SITE IS ONE POINT NINE FOUR ACRES AND THE SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED INDUSTRIAL.
HERE'S A GENERAL LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OF THE TOWER AND MORE SPECIFICALLY SHOWN HERE. OUTLINED HERE, THERE'S AN EXISTING BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY.
IT IS USED FOR AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR USES, AND THE EXISTING TOWER IS ACTUALLY BEHIND THE BUILDING. SO THE BASE OF THE TOWER IS SCREENED BY THE BUILDING FROM THE VIEW FROM SHILOH ROAD. IT IS MOSTLY SURROUNDED BY OTHER AUTOMOTIVE RELATED USES.
FURTHER TO THE EAST OF THE SITE, ACROSS SHILOH ROAD IS THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY FOR THE TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION YARD CAMPUS.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS AREA AS INDUSTRY.
THE EXISTING ZONING ALIGNS WITH THAT DESIGNATION, AND THE PROPOSAL OFFERS A SUPPORTIVE USE TO THE INDUSTRIAL EMPLOYMENT SECTOR, AS WELL AS TO FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT IN THE GENERAL VICINITY, AND THAT IT WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE CELLULAR SERVICE TO THE AREA.
HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING TOWER.
THIS IS ACTUALLY LOOKING INTO THE PROPERTY, SO THIS IS KIND OF A VIEW INTO THE PROPERTY PEEKING AROUND THE BUILDING AND THEN THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
AGAIN, THERE ARE NO CHANGES BEING PROPOSED TO THE TOWER.
THERE ARE NO HEIGHT INCREASES OR CHANGES TO THE BASE OF THE TOWER.
THE REQUEST IS SIMPLY TO RENEW THE SUP FOR AN EXTENDED TIME PERIOD.
HERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOS [INAUDIBLE] SEE THE CELL TOWER IN THE BACKGROUND, THIS IS A VIEW FROM SHILOH ROAD AND PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS A VIEW ACROSS SHILOH ROAD TO THE EAST . SITE PLAN. AGAIN, NO CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN.
THE TOWER WILL REMAIN BEHIND THE EXISTING BUILDING AND ELEVATIONS WILL REMAIN THE SAME.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTS THE SUP TO BE IN EFFECT FOR 20 YEARS, WHICH ALIGNS WITH THE SUP TIME PERIOD GUIDE FOR CELL TOWERS.
STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST.
BOTH THE SUP AND THE PLAN AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS WELL, WITH AN EIGHT TO ZERO VOTE.
THAT INCLUDES THE 20 YEAR TIME PERIOD.
AND MAYOR, WE MAILED OUT TWENTY SIX LETTERS ON THIS CASE AND WE RECEIVED ONLY ONE RESPONSE AND THAT WAS IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? I-- COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN? THANK YOU, MAYOR. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, AND IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ITEM FOR AN SUP FOR A PERIOD OF 20 YEARS AND FOR THE DETAILED PLAN FOR THE ANTENNA.
OK, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE REAL QUICK, DO WE HAVE A SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM? WE DO. MAYOR LEMAY, IT'S AMRO ISSA IS HERE.
YOU HAVE-- I MEAN, YOU CAN MAKE A PRESENTATION--.
OR WE CAN JUST MOVE. I'M SORRY.
OK. ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER VERA TO APPROVE THIS ITEM AS PRESENTED.
THAT WOULD BE ITEMS 10A AND 10B.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU PREPARE THE VOTE FOR US, PLEASE.
AND COUNCIL AND DISPLAYS THE VOTE, THAT ITEM IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.
THAT WILL MOVE US TO ITEM 10C.
[C. Consider a Zoning Change request by Summit Designs, from Agricultural (AG) District to Single-Family Estate (SF-E) District to allow for the construction of a single-family home. This site is located at 5809 Lyons Road located in District 3.]
CONSIDER A ZONING CHANGE REQUEST BY SUMMIT DESIGNS FROM AGRICULTURE DISTRICT TO SINGLE FAMILY ESTATE DISTRICT TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.THIS SITE IS LOCATED AT 5809 LYONS ROAD, LOCATED IN DISTRICT THREE.
SIR, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A ZONING CHANGE FROM AG TO SINGLE FAMILY ESTATE TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
THE SITE LOCATION IS 5809 LYONS ROAD AND THE ACREAGE OF THE PROPERTY IS JUST UNDER ONE ACRE AND AGAIN, THE CURRENT ZONING IS AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
HERE'S A GENERAL LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OFF LYONS ROAD IN SOUTH GARLAND, AND MORE SPECIFICALLY, IT IS SHOWN HERE, OUTLINED HERE.
THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY VACANT.
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF AN EXISTING SHED, SOME SORT OF ACCESSORY BUILDING SHED WHICH WILL BE REMOVED ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT, WAS PREVIOUSLY BUILT THERE BY A PREVIOUS OWNER.
SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY IS MOSTLY OTHER SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
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FURTHER TO THE NORTHEAST IS A SUBSTATION AND FIRE STATION, BUT OTHERWISE THE PROPERTY IS PRIMARILY BUILT AS SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, SOME AG ZONING, SOME VARIOUS SF, SINGLE FAMILY, ZONING AS WELL.THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS AREA IDENTIFIES IT AS TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH CORRESPONDS GENERALLY TO STANDARD SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
THIS REQUEST ADHERES TO THAT DESIGNATION.
HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM LYONS ROAD AND SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOS OF THE AREA. THIS PHOTO ON THE LEFT IS JUST SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT IS ACROSS THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST ACROSS LYONS ROAD.
SO THE APPLICANT REQUESTS AN APPROVAL OF A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM AG TO SINGLE FAMILY ESTATE OR SFE DISTRICT IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
AGAIN, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
THE REQUEST IS A TRADITIONAL REZONING WITHOUT THE FORMATION OF A PD.
THE APPLICANT WILL MEET THE SFE DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS OF THE GDC, WHICH REQUIRES A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF THIRTY THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, SO IT IS OBVIOUSLY A LARGE LOT, RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
WHEREAS THE CURRENT ZONING OF AG, REQUIRES A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF TWO ACRES.
AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY IS JUST UNDER ONE ACRE, SO THIS WOULD ALLOW THE LOT TO COME INTO CONFORMANCE ZONING WISE AND ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PERMITTING.
STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, AS WELL THAT WAS WITH AN EIGHT TO ZERO VOTE.
AND ON THIS CASE, MAYOR, WE MAILED OUT FORTY THREE LETTERS AND WE RECEIVED THREE RESPONSES AND THOSE WERE ALL IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, OK? ALL RIGHT. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? I DO HAVE A SPEAKER CARD FOR THE APPLICANT, FRED BIVENS.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANYONE HAVE ANY APP-- ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO. DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, I CAN GET THEM UP.
GO AHEAD. OK. NO, I DIDN'T HAVE A QUESTION AT ALL, I JUST WANTED TO SAY TO THE APPLICANT THAT I'D BEEN BY THE PROPERTY ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS AND SEEN IT, AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO WHAT IT IS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE PRESENTING THERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A PRETTY GOOD PROJECT TO PLACE IN THAT PARCEL OF LAND.
ANYONE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? AND MADAM SECRETARY, WAS THAT OUR ONLY SPEAKER ON THAT ITEM? YES, SIR. THAT IS THE ONLY-- VERY GOOD. COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE, I HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE.
WELL, THERE BEING NO MORE FOR THE DISCUSSION ON IT, MAYOR.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE FROM AG TO SFE AS REQUESTED.
VERY GOOD. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE, A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS TO APPROVE THIS ITEM AS PRESENTED.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I SEE NONE. MADAM SECRETARY AND COUNCIL AND DISPLAY THE VOTE, PLEASE.
AND THAT ITEM IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU, SIR. THAT WILL MOVE US, [COUGH] EXCUSE ME, TWO ITEMS 10D AND E-- I CAN-- ITEM
[Items 10D & 10E]
10D IS CONSIDERED A ZONING REQUEST BY VIA BAYOU INC.TO ADD RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, RVS, TO THE PHASE TWO AREA OF THE LAKESHORE RV RESORT PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FOR CABINS, THUS ALLOWING BOTH CABINS AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLES.
THIS SITE IS LOCATED AT 3926 ZION ROAD IN DISTRICT THREE.
IT ALSO HAS A SECOND PART, WHICH IS TO CONSIDER A DETAILED PLAN.
MR. GARRETT. SIR MAYOR, COUNCIL.
PROPOSAL IS TO ADD RECREATIONAL VEHICLES TO THE PHASE TWO AREA PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FOR CABINS AT THE LAKESHORE RV RESORT.
THE LOCATION IS 3926 ZION ROAD.
THE APPLICANT AND OWNER IS VIA BAYOU INC.
THE ACREAGE OF THE PHASE TWO AREA IS JUST OVER ONE ACRE IN SIZE AND THE ZONING IS PD 20-13 THAT INCLUDED THE DETAILED PLAN FOR THE PHASE TWO CABINS.
HERE'S A GENERAL LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY LOCATED NEAR I-30 AND SH190, ZION ROAD,
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AND ZOOMED IN CLOSER HERE YOU CAN SEE OUTLINE IN TEAL IS THE PHASE TWO AREA.THOSE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FOR CABINS TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY, OF COURSE, IS THE PHASE ONE RV RESORT, WHICH HAS BEEN APPROVED AND UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
AND TO THE EAST ARE SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, TO THE SOUTH AS A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND AGAIN I-30 AND SH 190 OR NEARBY, AS WELL AS JOHN PAUL JONES PARK AND THE LAKE RAY HUBBARD. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS GREATER AREA AS A REGIONAL CENTER AS THIS INCLUDES THE GREATER HARBOR POINT AREA OF THE PENINSULA, SO THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY IS INCLUDED IN THAT.
THE-- HERE'S SOME CURRENT PHOTOS OF THE SITE.
MR. TURNER ACTUALLY HAS SOME MORE RECENT PHOTOS THAT HE'LL SHARE WITH YOU ALL THIS EVENING, BUT THIS SHOWS THE CURRENT SITE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THIS, I BELIEVE, IS THE CLUBHOUSE THAT'S BEEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION, AND HERE'S A SITE PLAN.
THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE APPROVED SITE PLAN.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING IS TO ALLOW THE FLEXIBILITY TO HAVE THESE 18 PADS, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE AVAILABLE FOR RVS AND NOT EXCLUSIVELY FOR CABINS.
SO THEY COULD BE-- IT COULD BE A MIXTURE OF THE TWO OR IT COULD BE ALL RVS COULD BE ALL CABINS, BUT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO ALLOW POTENTIAL RVS ON THESE 18 PADS.
BUT OTHERWISE THE SITE PLAN IS NOT CHANGING.
THE ACCESS TO PHASE TWO IS THROUGH THE EXISTING PHASE ONE OR PHASE ONE UNDER CONSTRUCTION SHOWN ON THIS DRIVEWAY HERE.
AND THE LANDSCAPE PLAN REMAINS AS APPROVED, IT WOULD NOT CHANGE OTHER THAN IF APPROVED EACH PAD WOULD ALLOW FOR AN RV OR CABIN.
THESE ARE THE PREVIOUS CABIN ELEVATIONS THAT WERE APPROVED IN PD 20-13.
THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY CHANGES PROPOSED TO THEM, BUT THEY WOULD CARRY ON IN THIS NEW PD ORDINANCE IF THIS REQUEST IS APPROVED.
SO THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST IS AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 20-13 ONLY.
IT'S AN AMENDMENT TO THE PD, BUT NO GDC DEVIATIONS ARE BEING REQUESTED WITH THIS APPLICATION. THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BY A VOTE OF SEVEN TO ZERO, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST, BUT THEY FURTHER RECOMMENDED AN SUP TO BE IN EFFECT FOR FOUR YEARS, WITH THE TIME PERIOD BEGINNING ON JANUARY 1ST 2023.
UNTIL THE EXPIRATION OF THE SUP TIME PERIOD, RVS AND CABINS WOULD BE ALLOWED ON THE SITE.
HOWEVER, PADS ONE THROUGH FIVE, AS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN SHALL BE FOR CABINS ONLY OR REMAIN AS OPEN SPACES AND THE SITE SHALL OTHERWISE HAVE THE SAME OPERATING PARAMETERS AS PHASE ONE.
SO PADS ONE THROUGH FIVE, I'LL GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN, ARE THESE FIVE PADS SHOWN HERE CLOSEST TO ZION ROAD.
AND SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THAT THOSE BE KEPT IN RESERVE FOR CABINS ONLY OR REMAIN AS OPEN SPACES.
BUT THE PLAN COMMISSION WAS FINE, WITH PADS SIX THROUGH 18 SHOWN DOWN HERE BEING AVAILABLE FOR RV PARKING OR RVS FOR THE TIME PERIOD I MENTIONED, OF COURSE.
MAYOR, WE MAILED OUT 19 LETTERS ON THIS CASE AND WE RECEIVED TWO RESPONSES.
BOTH OF THOSE WERE IN OPPOSITION, AND THE 20 PERCENT RULE IS IN EFFECT FOR THIS CASE BECAUSE OF THE OPPOSITION RECEIVED.
SO IT WOULD REQUIRE A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE OF THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME OF ORDINANCE APPROVAL. [INAUDIBLE]. NOT TONIGHT, BUT AT THE TIME OF--.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? NO. OK.
THANK YOU, WILL. OH, COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN, GO AHEAD.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LATE PUNCH IN.
MR. GARRETT, I NOTE THAT WITH RESPECT TO THIS APPLICATION, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS TAKEN A KIND OF A NON POSITION WITH RESPECT TO RECOMMENDATION? YES, SIR, THAT'S CORRECT.
YET WHEN THIS WAS BEFORE US IN SEPTEMBER OF 2020, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DID TAKE A POSITION ON THAT AND ACTUALLY SUPPORTED THAT.
SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD TAKE A POSITION A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
BUT YOU'RE NOT TAKING ADVISING OR PROVIDING AN OPINION WITH RESPECT TO THIS ONE? SURE, ABSOLUTELY. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
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YES, SIR. YEAH. STAFF DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PHASE TWO DETAILED PLAN.OF COURSE, IT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE ORIGINAL PD AND CONSENT PLAN AND VISION, GOING BACK TO AT LEAST 2018 THAT THE PHASE TWO WOULD BE FOR CABINS.
SO CERTAINLY THERE WERE NO CONCERNS ABOUT PHASE TWO CARRYING THAT FORWARD.
AS FAR AS THIS REQUEST, IT GETS INTO KIND OF RVS VERSUS CABINS OR WHAT IS THE RIGHT MIX.
YOU KNOW, JUDD AND I KIND OF PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND DISCUSSED, AND THERE REALLY WASN'T ANY TYPE OF ANALYSIS OR ANYTHING THAT STAFF COULD PROVIDE AS FAR AS KIND OF WHAT'S BETTER OR WHAT'S THE RIGHT MIX.
SO WE KIND OF DECIDED TO TAKE A NEUTRAL APPROACH WITH IT, GIVEN THE SUBJECTIVITY OF THE REQUEST. SO.
OF COURSE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED IT AND HAD A GOOD COMPROMISE THAT THEY KIND OF CAME UP WITH. SO, STAFF THEN DOESN'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRANSITION OR BUFFER OR ANYTHING WITH RESPECT TO THIS BEING NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD? SO THE ORDINANCE OVERALL, THE OVERALL USE, OF COURSE, IS RV RESORTS OR RV PADS IS ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THREE, I BELIEVE, IS THE APPROVED AMOUNT.
SO RELATIVELY SPEAKING, IT'S A RELATIVELY LOW AMOUNT AND THERE IS EXISTING OR APPROVED SCREENING. I SHOULD SAY THAT WOULD HELP MITIGATE THAT.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK THE KIND OF GETTING INTO RVS VERSUS CABINS AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE OF THE TWO OR IMPACT OF THE TWO WAS A BIT CHALLENGING TO KIND OF PROVIDE A PARTICULAR POSITION OR RECOMMENDATION ON.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. [INAUDIBLE].
THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN TOUCHED ON ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAD, WHICH IS THE BUFFERING AND SCREENING, AND I DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO WATCH THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH IS RARE, BUT I MISS THIS ONE.
DID THE COMMISSION EXPLAIN WHY THEY WANTED TO HAVE THE HOUSES ONLY ON THE MAIN ROAD OR FACING THE MAIN ROAD, BUT DIDN'T FEEL THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THEM FACING THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I BELIEVE THE INTENT WAS TO KIND OF PRESERVE THAT FRONTAGE OR VIEW FROM ZION ROAD AND THE LAKEFRONT.
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WAS KIND OF THEIR MAIN CONCERN.
THE I KNOW THE APPLICANT AT THE TIME, THE WOOD FENCING, THE SOLID WOOD FENCING ON THE EASTERN BORDER THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THAT HAD NOT BEEN COMPLETED. BUT MR. TURNER HAS COMPLETED THAT SOLID FENCE TO ZION ROAD, SO I WANTED TO MENTION THAT.
AS OF THAT NIGHT IT HADN'T BEEN COMPLETED YET, BUT IT HAS SINCE THEN.
OKAY, AND QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE I THINK I-- THIS PREDATES MY TIME ON COUNCIL THE FIRST TIME WE HEARD IT.
AND AT THAT TIME I BELIEVED THE APPLICANT OWNED THE PHASE TWO AREA AND WAS PLANNING TO PUT A HOUSE THERE.
AND THEN WE CAME BACK AND APPROVED THE PROJECT IN 2018 WITH THAT IN MIND.
2020, IT CAME BACK AND WE WERE CHANGING THAT HOMESTEAD TO THESE CABINS.
AND SO I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE BUFFER TO THE RESIDENCES NEXT DOOR, THE LACK OF BUFFER TO THE RESIDENCES NEXT DOOR, AND SO I HAVE KIND OF BEEN VIEWING THIS ENTIRE REQUEST THROUGH THAT LENS. DID I GET THE HISTORY BASICALLY CORRECT? I THINK THAT IS BASICALLY CORRECT.
I DON'T RECALL THE EXACT TIMING OF THE HOMESTEAD VERSUS WHEN THE CABINS CAME IN.
MR. TURNER MAY BE ABLE TO CLARIFY THAT AND HOW THAT EVOLVED, BUT YES, SIR, THAT'S MY GENERAL RECOLLECTION AS WELL.
OK. AND MAYOR, WHAT I RECALL IS THAT WE IN 2020, WE'RE OK WITH THE CABINS BECAUSE THEY STILL DID PRESERVE SOME SORT OF PHYSICAL STRUCTURE AND A BUFFER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT DOOR. AND SO I'LL BE LOOKING AT THIS CASE THROUGH THAT LENS AS WE GO FORWARD.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. VERY GOOD, SIR.
MAYOR. I DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO OBSERVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS THEY DISCUSSED THIS ISSUE THIS PAST WEEK AND COMING IN KIND OF LIKE YOU, I'M COMING IN VERY LATE.
RELATES TO ALL THAT HAS HAPPENED, BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE A VERY EXHAUSTIVE HISTORY AS RELATES TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
IT SEEMS THAT HISTORY MAY INVOLVE AT ONE TIME WHEN YOU HEAR THE WORD TRAILER PARK, JUST TRAILER PARK ITSELF GAVE VERY NEGATIVE CONNOTATIONS.
AND BASED ON WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR, THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT A TRAILER PARK.
THIS IS, AS HE HAS STATED, THE RV RESORT.
I MAY NEED SOME WATER HERE, BUT THIS IS MORE OF A RV RESORT.
BUT THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE TO YOU, WILL IS THIS, BASED ON WHAT WE OBSERVED OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I THOUGHT THEY DID A VERY EXHAUSTIVE AND VERY DETAILED QUESTIONING, EITHER RELATED TO HAVING THE HOMES OF THE CABINS VERSUS HAVING A COMBINATION OF HOMES AND
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RVS, AND I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU AND STAFF, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS IN THE WAY OF WHAT YOU HEARD THAT NIGHT IN THE WAY OF A GOOD-- THANK YOU.IN THE WAY OF A BALANCE OF ASSISTING THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT IT FELT IT NEEDED TO BUFFER AND SO ON AND SO FORTH AS IT AND IN RELATION TO HAVING THE RVS AS WELL AS CABINS? SO YOUR THOUGHTS THERE. YES, SIR.
AS YOU SAID, THE PLANNING COMMISSION GAVE IT A LOT OF THOUGHT AND ANALYSIS, AND I THINK THEY DID A GREAT JOB OF FINDING A COMPROMISE IN THERE.
I THINK THE TIME PERIOD CAME FROM, MR. TURNER CAN SPEAK BETTER TO THIS, BUT THE CONCERN ABOUT THE TIMING OF BEING ABLE TO GET THE RV OR, EXCUSE ME, THE CABINS AND KIND OF A DELAY AND EVEN BEING ABLE TO OBTAIN THEM.
SO THEY KIND OF GAVE THAT GRACE PERIOD OF WHEN THE TIME PERIOD THE SHOT CLOCK STARTS, SO TO SPEAK. BUT OF COURSE, IT WOULD EXPIRE.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S INTENT WAS TO, YOU KNOW, JUST TEMPORARILY ALLOW THEM, OF COURSE, WHILE THE PROJECT KIND OF CONTINUES ON AND HOPEFULLY THE CABINS BECOME MORE FEASIBLE FOR MR. TURNER TO ADD SOONER OR LATER, OF COURSE.
SO NO, I THINK THEY DID A GREAT JOB.
THEY LOOKED AT THE FRONTAGE AND I-- AGAIN, AS THE QUESTION WAS ASKED EARLIER, I BELIEVE THE INTENT WAS TO KIND OF BE STRATEGIC ON WHERE THEY SHOULD BE AS FAR AS THE FRONTAGE AND LOOK GOES. AND I THINK A FACTOR AND THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE LACK OF THE OPAQUE FENCE, THE WOOD FENCE BEING CONTINUED ALL THE WAY TO ZION ROAD.
AGAIN, THAT HAS BEEN CONTINUED SINCE THAT MEETING.
AS MR. TURNER, SOME OF HIS PHOTOS SHOW THAT ACTUALLY.
SO NO, I THINK THEY CAME TO A GOOD COMPROMISE.
GOOD CONCLUSION. AND IF IT'S APPROVED PER THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR PER THE RECOMMENDATION, WE'RE HAPPY TO KIND OF DRAFT THAT ORDINANCE ACCORDINGLY.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER BASS.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. I GUESS, WELL, MY CONCERN IS LIKE WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH AND AUBIN WERE DISCUSSING AS WELL THE EFFECT IT HAS ON THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WHERE IT SHOWS THE PLATS? YES. WAS IT THE SITE PLAN OR? NO, NO, NO. [INAUDIBLE] THERE YA GO.
SO THE OUTLINE IN GREEN IS THE SUBJECT AND THEN THE NEXT SF 10.
THERE'S TWO PROPERTIES THERE, CORRECT? YES, SIR. OK, AND CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S ON THOSE PROPERTIES? I BELIEVE THEY HAVE A SINGLE-- WELL, I KNOW THE ONE FURTHER TO THE EAST HAS A RESIDENCE.
I WOULD HAVE TO THINK. I THINK THAT ONE HAD A HOUSE AND THE HOUSE IS GONE BECAUSE--.
YES, SIR. THE PROPERTY SO, ALL RIGHT.
SO THE ONE LABELED, I THINK, IS 3810 UP THERE? OK. SO FROM HIS-- SO HE HAS SITES DIRECTLY TO THE RV PARK AND THE RV PARK HAS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE.
OK. AND THE TYPICAL HEIGHT OF AN RV THAT'S GOING TO BE PARKED BACK UP AGAINST THAT IS ABOUT WHAT, 12 FEET? OK. AND SO HE'S STILL GOING TO BE SEEING RVS FROM HIS BACKYARD.
WHEN HE WAS ORIGINALLY THINKING HE WAS NOT GOING TO SEE ANYTHING, THEN IT WAS APPROVED FOR CABINS TO BE THERE AS A VISUAL BUFFER.
THAT'S PROBABLY FAIR GIVEN THE PROXIMITY OF THE PADS TO THE FENCES.
YEAH, OK. OK, SO IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE VISIBILITY OF THE RVS WITH THIS AS PROPOSED, CORRECT? I THINK GIVEN THE HEIGHT OF RVS POTENTIALLY PEEKING OVER THE FENCE AND HOW THE PADS ARE QUITE CLOSE TO THE FENCE, I WOULD SAY THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT.
AND DO WE HAVE ANY-- WE DON'T HAVE ANY PHOTOGRAPHS FROM THE GROUND LEVEL HERE FOR THIS, DO WE? ACTUALLY, MR. TURNER, HE PROVIDED QUITE A FEW PHOTOS WHICH ARE IN HIS SLIDES.
WE MAY SEE THOSE HERE SHORTLY.
OK. THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. SURE. EXCUSE ME, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. WELL, TO [INAUDIBLE], EXCUSE ME [INAUDIBLE] TONIGHT, I GUESS.
THANK YOU. I'M PLAYING CATCH UP AND I WENT BACK.
I DIDN'T SEE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT I WENT BACK AND READ THE MINUTES OF THEIR MEETING. WILL, HOW WOULD YOU SUMMARIZE, CURRENTLY, I READ THE FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORS. HOW WOULD YOU SUMMARIZE THE CURRENT CONCERN? WILL, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY THE CORE CONCERNS TO THIS [INAUDIBLE] REGARDING THIS WHOLE PROJECT? HOW WOULD YOU SUMMARIZE THAT? THE CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORS? YES. OK. OK.
SURE. I KNOW ONE OF THE RESPONSES.
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I BELIEVE THE GENTLEMAN IS ACTUALLY HERE THIS EVENING WHO MAY ABLE TO SPEAK MORE DIRECTLY TO IT. BUT THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT KIND OF UPHOLDING WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AS PHASE TWO IN THE CABINS.I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE NEIGHBOR WHOSE TWO PROPERTIES DOWN AND ADHERING TO THAT AND NOT VARYING FROM THAT. SO I KIND OF TOOK THAT AS THE GIST OF HIS LETTER.
CERTAINLY, HE'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK BETTER TO THAT.
WE DID RECEIVE ONE SINCE THEN, WHICH YOU ALL RECEIVED EARLIER.
I'M JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT HER LETTER RIGHT NOW.
YEAH, IT APPEARS VISIBILITY IS A CONCERN AND THAT ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY, SHE WRITES.
HUNDRED AND EIGHTY FOUR, I BELIEVE, IS ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY THREE.
BUT THAT AMOUNT OF RVS IS ENOUGH IS A COMMENT THAT WAS MADE.
AND SO SHE STATES HER OPPOSITION.
IT SEEMS KIND OF A COMBINATION OF THE VISIBILITY AND JUST THE LIMITING IT TO KIND OF HAVING ENOUGH RVS, IF I'M SUMMARIZING THAT FAIRLY.
OK, WELL, I JUST WANT TO BE SURE I WAS RIGHT, SO VISIBILITY SEEMS TO BE AT THE CORE OF WHAT I READ. WOULD YOU AGREE WITH ME ON THAT? I AGREE WITH THAT. YES, SIR. OK.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
THANKS, SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE LOOKS LIKE-- I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE BUILDER LIVED ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHICH PIECE OF PROPERTY DOES HE ACTUALLY LIVE ON? HAVE TO DEFER TO MR. TURNER ON THAT, BUT I BELIEVE THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OF THE EAST IS OWNED BY A STANLEY FAMILY. OK.
WE'LL WAIT UNTIL HE GETS HERE.
FOR SOME REASON, I HAD THE IMPRESSION THAT HE LIVED NEXT TO IT, AND THAT REALLY KIND OF DID NOT CREATE A VARIANCE OR A PROBLEM BECAUSE HE LIVED RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT.
BUT WE'LL GET THAT CORRECTED WHEN HE GETS HERE THINKING.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? AND THANK YOU, WILL.
I DON'T HAVE ANYONE ELSE. AND WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE WITH US WHO I THINK HAS A PRESENTATION. CRAIG TURNER.
MR. TURNER, IF YOU CAN GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU WILL HAVE 10 MINUTES FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
CAN WE SET UP ALSO THIS WHERE I CAN SHOW ON THE COMPUTER, IF YOU DON'T MIND? HI, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
CRAIG TURNER, 3410 LAKESIDE DRIVE, ROCKWELL, TEXAS, 75087.
LET'S MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT OUR TECHNOLOGY HOOKED UP TO BEFORE YOU START.
WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY BE DOING BOTH.
WILL, WE'LL DO THAT ONE IN A MOMENT.
I WANTED TO, FIRST OF ALL, GIVE YOU ALL JUST AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE'VE BEEN BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD. WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS ALMOST EIGHT YEARS NOW, OR MAYBE A LITTLE OVER THAT I LOSE TRACK, BUT WE ARE GETTING CLOSER TO THE GOAL LINE HERE OF GETTING THE PROJECT UP AND OPEN, AND IT HAS TURNED OUT FANTASTIC EVEN THROUGH THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH. SO WITH FURTHER ADO, I JUST RATHER SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES OF WHERE WE'RE AT ON IT BECAUSE I THINK THAT A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS ON THERE.
SO HERE'S A PICTURE THAT WE TOOK THE OTHER DAY, OTHER MORNING OF THE PROJECT--.
ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE SEEING THE PRESENTATION? YEAH, THERE YOU ARE.
GREAT. HOPEFULLY, YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THE PROGRESS OF COMING ON OF IT.
SO WE'VE GOT A 4000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE THAT YOU CHECK INTO AND IT HAS A MANAGER'S OFFICE ON IT AND YOU ALL CAN'T SEE IT FROM HERE, BUT THE PROPERTY IS GATED ALL THE WAY AROUND.
SO FOR SAFETY AND CONCERNS OF THAT NATURE.
SO LOOKING BEAUTIFUL THERE, HERE'S THE ACTIVITY CENTER ALMOST TWELVE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET INDOOR OUTDOOR AGAIN OVERLOOKING THE LAKE.
THE BRIDGE IS BEAUTIFUL AT NIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL EVER GET A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, BUT I HIGHLY RECOMMEND TAKING A WALK THROUGH JOHN PAUL JONES PARK.
OR YOU CAN JUST COME STAY AT MY RV PARK IF YOU LIKE [LAUGHTER] ON THERE.
BUT HERE'S THE BACKSIDE OF IT.
YOU CAN SEE THE POOL AREA THAT WE HAVE.
IT'S A LARGE POOL WITH A GROTTO, AND I CAN'T WAIT TO SHOW YOU ALL A FEW OTHER ITEMS, BUT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PLANNERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO MAKE IT BEAUTIFY RIGHT BACK UP TO THE LAKE AND THE PARK.
THIS IS OUR SIGN THAT WE'VE GOT COMING.
HOPEFULLY, YOU CAN SEE THE FOREST FOR THE TREES, EXCUSE THE TRASH, BUT OR MESS [INAUDIBLE]. BUT WE'RE GETTING THERE, GETTING THE LANDSCAPE IN.
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WE'RE WAITING A LITTLE BIT FOR THE FREEZE TO GET OVER.AS YOU ALL CAN PROBABLY UNDERSTAND.
AGAIN, A BEAUTIFUL SHOT OF THE OFFICE CENTER AS [INAUDIBLE] GO IN.
IT TOOK US FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS JUST TO GET THE STEEL THAT YOU SEE ON THE FRONT OF THIS BUILDING. THAT'S SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAD TO WAIT AND I WON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT THE COST.
IT WAS CRAZY. AS YOU WALK INTO THE CENTER, YOU CAN SEE THE OFFICE AND WHERE YOU COME IN AND CHECK IN. WE'RE TRYING TO TRYING TO KEEP IT A TEXAS THEME AND MORE JOHN WAYNE ISH, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT. BUT WE'VE KEPT IT REALLY NICE THERE.
AND THEN ANOTHER LOOK AND WE'LL HAVE DRINKS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE FOR PEOPLE TO ENJOY AND A FIREPLACE. AND THERE ACTUALLY WILL BE FURNITURE IN THERE.
WHEN YOU SEE THIS IS THE ACTIVITY CENTER AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU CAN SEE A LARGE BALCONY OVERLOOKING THE LAKE AND IT'S JUST BEAUTIFUL UP THERE.
AND THEN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU CAN SEE A BREEZEWAY.
THAT BREEZEWAY, KEEP THAT IN MIND UNTIL GET TO THE NEXT PICTURE, AS YOU WALK THROUGH THE BREEZEWAY AND TO THE ACTIVITY CENTER.
THAT RIGHT, THERE IS A DOUBLE SIDED WATERFALL.
OK. SO YOU WILL HAVE WATER COMING DOWN BOTH SIDES AND IN THE MIDDLE OF IT WILL BE FIRE, SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK THROUGH THAT.
AND THEN THERE'LL BE TWO FIREBALLS UP THERE FOR PEOPLE TO ENTERTAIN.
SO WE-- EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF CHALLENGES WITH SUPPLIES AND COVID AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, WE WANT THE WOW EFFECT.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT IS THAT WOW ON THERE.
ANOTHER PICTURE OF IT TO KIND OF SHOW YOU HOW LARGE IT IS, IT'S A VERY, VERY LARGE AREA AND WILL ACCOMMODATE MANY, MANY VISITORS TO THE CITY.
OUR POOL, THERE WILL BE LIGHTS AND JETS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH WE SPENT ON THIS POOL, I COULD TELL YOU, BUT YOU'D BE SHOCKED THAT AGAIN, WE WERE GOING FOR THE WOW FACTOR ON THEIR.
HOT TUBS, PLANTERS OVERLOOKING A LITTLE BIT OF THE PARK THERE.
INSIDE, THIS IS YOUR WORKOUT FACILITY.
AGAIN, IT'LL LOOK THROUGH OUT TOWARD THE POOL AND THE GROTTO, HERE'S A SEATING AREA THAT YOU COME IN, THE KITCHEN AREA THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE EVERYBODY LOVES MEAT AT THE KITCHEN.
SO WE'VE GOT A HUGE KITCHEN AREA THERE FOR PEOPLE TO GET TOGETHER AND YOU BRING THE MASHED POTATOES AND I'LL BRING THE GREEN BEANS AND EVERYTHING.
AGAIN, ANOTHER LOOK AT IT FOR PEOPLE TO SIT AND ENJOY UP THERE.
YOU KNOW EVERYTHING FROM POOL TABLE, SHUFFLEBOARD, WATCHING THE BALL GAME, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. OUR BATHROOMS ARE OUT OF SIGHT.
THESE ARE ONES THAT YOU WOULD SEE IF YOU WERE TO WALK INTO MAYBE THE RITZ OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO.
THEY TAKE AWAY THE FOG IF THEY'RE FOGGY.
SO AGAIN, LITTLE TOUCHES THAT WE DID.
PRIVATE SHOWERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT WE HAVE FOR PEOPLE.
LAUNDRY. THIS WILL BE A STATE OF THE ART LAUNDROMAT THAT WE HAVE THERE.
AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT FINISHED, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE BEAUTY.
THIS IS THE VIEW AGAIN FROM THE BALCONY OVERLOOKING THE LAKE, AND THEY CITY'S DONE A REAL GOOD JOB AT CLEANING UP THE PARK AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A BEAUTIFUL SIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WE EVEN PUT THE STATE OF TEXAS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE ON THERE.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE THAT BEAUTIFUL.
HERE IS A PICTURE FROM LOOKING FROM PHASE ONE OVER TO PHASE TWO, AND WE HAVE INSTALLED A LARGE SINCE GOING ACROSS THERE.
AND ANOTHER PICTURE OF THAT GOING ACROSS THERE.
NOW HERE ON PHASE TWO THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OK, IN THE AREA THAT WAS IN QUESTION, WE HAVE LOWERED THE ELEVATION ABOUT FIVE OR SIX FEET, OK? PLUS, WE HAVE RAISED-- WE HAVE A FENCE AS OVER EIGHT FOOT TALL ON THERE.
SO WE HAVE DONE MORE BLOCKING AND WE HAVE DONE THIS TO CONTOUR WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND MAKE IT LOOK GOOD.
SO WE HAVE DONE MANY, MANY THINGS TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND MAKE THIS A MORE PRIVATE AREA THAT IT DOESN'T INTRUDE ON THE NEIGHBORS, BUT ALSO A LITTLE PEACEFUL AREA AS WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE HAVE GONE IN AND DONE.
IF YOU WERE LOOKING OUT FROM YOUR SITE THERE ON THE LAKE AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE MOST DESIRABLE AREA THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO BE OVERLOOKING THAT AND OVERLOOKING THE LAKE AND OVERLOOKING THE BRIDGE.
AGAIN, ANOTHER SITE, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE RAISE THE FENCE DOWN THERE AND RAISE THE WALL.
WE HAVE A HUGE WALL THAT WE INSTALLED GOING ACROSS THERE, AND THIS IS FROM AGAIN YOUR PHASE TWO AREA. THIS RIGHT HERE WOULD BE THE MOST DESIRABLE LOCATION.
IF I WAS COMING TO MY RV PARK THAT WOULD WANT TO BE OVERLOOKING THE LAKE AND EVERYTHING.
YOU CAN SEE THE ELEVATIONS HERE FROM PHASE ONE TO PHASE TWO.
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THEY BASICALLY ARE THE SAME.AND SO THE DIFFERENCE YOU WOULD SEE WOULD BE BASICALLY [INAUDIBLE] ON THAT.
SO WE HAVE PHASE ONE, WE HAVE PHASE TWO ON THERE.
HERE'S A VIEW OF THE ELEVATIONS OF BOTH OF THEM THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THERE.
SO WITH THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M ASKING IS, IS THAT WE HAVE RUN INTO SOME CHALLENGES AND I WANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE.
BUT WHY I'M HERE IS THAT WE RUN [INAUDIBLE] CHALLENGES AS EVERYBODY HAS.
WITH GETTING SUPPLIES AND EVERYTHING.
AS I SAID, WE HAD CHALLENGES WITH STEEL.
WE HAVE CHALLENGES WITH OUR PEDESTALS, WE HAVE CHALLENGES WITH ELECTRICAL, WE HAVE CHALLENGES WITH PAINT, WE HAD CHALLENGES WITH EVERYTHING AND GETTING IN.
BUT EVEN SO, WE HAVE DONE AN AMAZING JOB AND PUT IN A FIRST CLASS RESORT HERE.
WITH THAT SAID, THE CABINS THAT ARE BASICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO GET THESE DAYS, THERE'S [INAUDIBLE] WEIGHT, PLUS THE PRICE OF THESE HAVE GONE UP OVER THREE TIMES.
AND SO IN TURN, WITH THAT BEING THE CHALLENGE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE-- WE'RE ASKING TO ACTUALLY HAVE A TIME PERIOD THAT WE CAN GET TO THERE AND PUT THESE CABINS ON THERE.
SO I'M ACTUALLY ASKING FOR AN SUP, A FIVE YEAR SUP ON THAT, BUT ALLOW ME TO GO AHEAD AND USE THIS SPOT AND USE THESE SPACES SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE A BEAUTIFUL SPACE AND IT WON'T BE SITTING EMPTY BECAUSE IT BEING SITTING EMPTY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST NOT A FINISHED PRODUCT.
AND WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A FINISHED PRODUCT ON THIS.
WITH THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE NEIGHBORS TREMENDOUSLY ON AGAIN CONTOURING. WE CAME IN AND INITIALLY THE NEIGHBOR, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE PD TO PUT THE FENCE ALL THE WAY DOWN ON THE EAST SIDE, GOING DOWN TO ZION ROAD.
MY NEIGHBOR CAME TO ME AND ASKED ME, WOULD YOU DO ME A FAVOR? THIS IS A 90 SOMETHING YEAR OLD LADY, WOULD YOU-- MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WOULD YOU DO ME A FAVOR AND WOULD YOU PUT A WROUGHT IRON AND NOT BLOCK THE VIEW? YES, MA'AM. I'D BE HAPPY TO.
YOU KNOW, AND I'LL GO BACK AND I'LL MAKE THE CHANGES WITH THE CITY.
I DIDN'T SEE THERE'D BE A CHALLENGE WITH THAT WHEN THEY ASKED YOU TO DO SO.
SO I DID. AND IN TURN, YOU KNOW, THAT CAUSED A LITTLE RUCKUS.
AND SO IN TURN, SHE'S ASKED ME NOW TO GO BACK AND PUT THE FENCE ALL THE WAY DOWN.
SO I TORE UP A BRAND-NEW WROUGHT IRON FENCE AND I PUT THE PLAN BOARD ON BOARD FENCE ALL THE WAY DOWN FOR HER.
AND SO I TRIED MY BEST TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
I'VE WORKED WITH THE OTHER NEIGHBORS TOO.
MR. SHAWN HERE ON [INAUDIBLE].
I'M GOING TO PROBABLY GET THIS WRONG, SIR.
I APOLOGIZE. BUT HE'S VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE IN LANDSCAPE, AND HE ASKED ME TO PUT IN SOME [INAUDIBLE] STEVENS BELIEVE IT IS TREES THAT HELPED WITH THE BLOCKING OF THINGS OF THAT NATURE, AND I SAID, ABSOLUTELY, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO PROVIDE WHATEVER WE CAN TO YOU TO MAKE THIS JUST A DESIRABLE PLACE FOR THEM AS WELL.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW OUR RV RESORT AND HOW IT SITS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WELL, I HAVE A RV RESORT IN KATY, TEXAS.
IT IS A 10, 10, 10 RV RESORT AND BY GOOD SAM'S.
IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH GOOD SAM'S, THAT'S THE BEST THAT THERE ARE.
THERE'S LESS THAN ONE PERCENT OF THE RV RESORTS IN THE UNITED STATES ARE 10, 10 10.
IT HAS 209 SPOTS, OK? IT IS ABSOLUTELY 100 PERCENT FULL ALL THE TIME.
I BUILT IT IN 2014 AND I'VE RUN THESE FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS, BY THE WAY.
SO I HAVE SOME PICTURES OF IT AND HOW IT BACKS UP TO SOME-- LET'S LET'S HANG ON.
MR. TURNER. YES, YOUR TEN MINUTES IS EXPIRED AND I'VE MINUTE AT THIS POINT.
SO AT THIS POINT, I THINK WOULD PROBABLY GO TO QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL FOR YOU.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS I COULD.
I THINK THE QUESTIONS ARE COMING.
OK. ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COUNCIL MEMBER BASS.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, MR. TURNER.
I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.
YES. ACTUALLY, YEAH, I DID HAVE IN LINE AND QUESTIONS WHAT YOU WERE HINTING AT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING YOUR EXPERIENCE OF YOUR OTHER PROPERTY AND KATY. OK, I'VE GOT IT UP RIGHT NOW AND IT'S SCREENING.
YOU CAN SEE THAT I'M NOT AGAINST CABINS.
I HAVE CABINS AT MY LOCATIONS.
I DON'T HAVE 18 CABINS, I HAVE ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE THE MEDIAN THAT WORKS OK ON THERE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT I BUILT THIS LAKE.
HOPEFULLY FROM THERE YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSES BEHIND THIS.
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THOSE ARE THREE AND FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND, PROBABLY MORE THAN THAT HOMES RIGHT THERE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSES BEHIND IN THE BACK BEHIND THE LAKE THERE.AND SO WE FIT VERY, VERY WELL WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
OUR QUIET HOURS ARE AT 10 P.M.
TO EIGHT. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE VERY, VERY STRICT RULES.
EVERYBODY THAT COMES AND STAYS, THERE ARE PARKS ARE VETTED.
WE WENT THROUGH THIS INITIALLY WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH.
BUT JUST FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T FAMILIAR, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A VERY, VERY NICE AND RUN A VERY, VERY NICE PARK AND GOOD SAM COMES OUT EVERY YEAR AND RATES YOUR PARK.
SO THIS IS NOT JUST A ONE TIME I GOT 10, 10, 10.
I'VE HAD 10, 10, 10 SINCE I'VE OPENED, SIR.
OK. I APPRECIATE THAT. OTHER QUESTION.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE WHERE YOU HAD A PICTURE OF THE FENCE? THE BORDER FENCE? YES, SIR. THANK YOU.
YES, SIR. RIGHT THERE? I PUT THE WALL IN.
I TOOK THE ELEVATION WAY DOWN.
IT WAS ALL THE WAY UP TO THE BOTTOM OF THE FENCE.
OK. TYPICAL TYPICAL RV IS WHAT, 12? 12 FEET.
OK. OK, SO THEN THE PLAN IS FOR THE FINAL ELEVATION TO BE LEVEL WITH THE WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY FINISHED THERE? YES.
OK. YES, SIR. YOU WOULD NOT SEE AN RV NO--. I'M NOT SAYING, SIR, THAT AT THE VERY FRONT THAT YOU, ON THE FIRST ONE OR TWO THAT YOU MIGHT SEE, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE THE-- DEFINITELY WOULD NOT BE VERY MUCH OF IT.
IT PROBABLY LESS THAN 10 PERCENT.
I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU.
DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
THANK YOU, SIR. GOOD. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
YOU, TOO. JUST CLARIFY FOR ME AND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS THE SUP.
YES, SIR. THE CABINS ARE COMING? YES, SIR. TALK TO ME AGAIN ABOUT THE CABIN TO COME IN WITHIN THAT FIVE YEAR PERIOD.
I WILL HAVE CABINS AND I WILL HAVE FIVE CABINS AND YOU CAN-- YOU'D BE WILLING TO PUT THAT ON WHATEVER PD OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO.
I WILL HAVE THE FIVE CABINS WITHIN FIVE YEARS.
OK. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO PUT THOSE AT THE FRONT IF YOU WISH, BUT I PREFER NOT TO.
I USUALLY DON'T PUT THE CABINS ON THE VERY FRONT.
THEY USUALLY SIT BACK BECAUSE PEOPLE, RVERS ARE, THEY LOVE THE VIEW AND THAT'S WHAT THEY COME FOR IS THAT IS TO HAVE THE VIEW OF THOSE.
AND THESE ARE MULTIMILLION DOLLAR RVS, SIR.
THESE ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, YOUR RUN OF THE MILL.
MATTER OF FACT, I WON'T EVEN LET YOUR RV IN MY PARK IF IT'S MORE THAN 10 YEARS OLD WITHOUT HAVING A PICTURE OF IT, BECAUSE WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE HAVING NICE VEHICLES THAT COME THROUGH THERE.
NOT THAT YOUR VEHICLE CAN'T BE OLDER AND CAN'T BE NICE, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS NICE. OK.
I'M NOT GOING TO ATTEMPT TO MESS WITH YOUR SITE PLAN OR WHERE YOU PUT YOURSELF.
I'M NOT GOING TO DELVE INTO YOUR SITE PLAN, BUT I JUST WANT TO GET A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
SO THE RVS ARE RELATIVELY IMMEDIATE, THEY'RE COMING? YES, SIR. RIGHT? YES, SIR.
THE CABINS ARE COMING AT SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE? YES, SIR. WITHIN A FIVE YEAR PERIOD? YES, SIR. OK.
THERE'S A TWO AND A HALF YEAR WAIT RIGHT NOW IF I WAS TO ORDER ONE.
SO YOU ARE ASKING KIND OF FOR CONTINGENCY, RIGHT? I'M ASKING TO BE ABLE TO USE THE LAND FOR RVS AND CABINS AND I WILL HAVE CABINS WITHIN FIVE YEARS.
AND IT MAY BE TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
IT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD-- I HATE TO SAY EXACTLY WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE.
I MEAN, I'D BE HAPPY TO SAY THAT I WILL DEFINITELY HAVE STARTED THEM IN THREE YEARS, YOU WILL HAVE ONE IN THREE YEARS AND I COULD HAVE ALL OF THEM IN FIVE YEARS.
WITH THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO GUARANTEE ANYTHING.
OK, SIR. MR. GARRETT, GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU, PLEASE.
GIVEN THE RESPONSE CONVERSATION AS THE SUP REQUEST, WHAT HAPPENS IF FOR
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THEN IF THE SUP IS GRANTED AND WITHIN THAT FIVE YEAR PERIOD, SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THERE ARE NO CABINS, IS THAT SPACE-- THEN WITH THAT SPACE BE AUTOMATICALLY APPROPRIATED FOR RVS OR WHAT-- HOW IS THIS IMPACTED? BECAUSE WE'RE SORT OF LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE.SO CAN YOU HELP ME? IF IT HAPPENS AND NO CABINS APPEAR AND SOMETHING CHANGES, WE DON'T KNOW [INAUDIBLE] CHANGES AND THERE ARE NO CABINS.
FIVE YEARS, THERE ARE NO CABINS.
WE APPROVED AN SUP THAT SAID, RVS AND CABINS, BUT THERE ARE NO CABINS.
HELP ME. YES, SIR, THE SUP WOULD HAVE A TIME PERIOD.
SO ONCE THAT TIME PERIOD IS EXPIRED, THAT SUP ORDINANCE EXPIRES.
SO THEREFORE, AFTER THAT DATE, RVS WOULD NO LONGER BE PERMITTED ON THAT PHASE TWO LAND.
AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THEY WOULD EITHER HAVE TO BE CABINS THERE OR THEY WOULD JUST REMAIN VACANT. OK.
WOULD HE HAVE TO COME BACK? IF HE WANTS TO EXTEND THAT TIME PERIOD OR AMEND THAT IN ANY WAY.
YES, SIR, HE WOULD NEED TO COME BACK.
THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. MR. TURNER, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. [INAUDIBLE] YOU, SIR.
SEVERAL-- FOUR OR FIVE TIMES, FOUR TIMES, I THINK.
WHILE IT'S BEEN A WHILE. SO WELCOME BACK.
AND I ACTUALLY WAS OVER THERE AT GROUND LEVEL RECENTLY, AND I HAVE TO SAY IT LOOKS GREAT.
IT REALLY DOES. AND AS YOU KNOW, I WAS SOMEONE WHO DID NOT INITIALLY SUPPORT THE PROJECT.
AND BUT I AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT THAT IT'S REALLY CLASS-A FACILITY.
THE ACTIVITY CENTER LOOKS GREAT.
YOU GUYS HAVE REALLY DONE A GOOD JOB.
THANK YOU. DID HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS JUST TO KIND OF CLARIFY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID. SO AT THIS MOMENT, NO CABINS HAVE BEEN PURCHASED AT ALL.
NO, SIR. OK, SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAN I GIVE A TIMELINE? SURE, PLEASE. THAT'D BE AWESOME.
SO IN TURN, THIS WAS APPROVED.
ALL RIGHT. WITH PHASE ONE AND TWO WAY BEFORE PHASE TWO WAS EVER APPROVED, PHASE TWO WAS NOT APPROVED UNTIL A YEAR AGO OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
I'VE BEEN BUILDING FOR OVER ALMOST TWO YEARS NOW.
I HATE TO SAY THAT, BUT YEAH, FOR A WHILE NOW.
AND SO IN TURN, I NEVER ASKED REALLY FOR THERE TO BE 18 CABINS.
I DID ASK FOR AN RV AND CABINS, AND IN TURN IT GOT CHANGED TO CABINS.
AND SO IT WAS NEVER IN MY BUDGET TO EVER PURCHASE 18 CABINS.
AND SO WHEN THAT HAPPENED AND, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE BUT ACCEPT IT, I SAID, WELL, WE'LL JUST SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
WELL, WHEN COVID HIT CABINS WERE RUNNING ABOUT THIRTY FIVE, THIRTY SEVEN THOUSAND NOW CABINS ARE 90 PLUS.
SO IN TURN, YOU KNOW, IT PUT ME BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE ON THAT.
I WAS HOPING THAT THEY WOULD COME DOWN AND THEY WOULD BE MORE REASONABLE AND THEN I COULD START ADDING CABINS.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE COST OF EVERYTHING IS NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT POSSIBLE.
OK, SO I-- JUST TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION THEN BECAUSE I THINK WE HEARD IT IN SEPTEMBER 2020, THE PHASE TWO PORTION OF IT, I WENT BACK AND I WATCHED THE MEETINGS.
IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS SEPTEMBER OR SEPTEMBER, BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER IN 2020, ONE OF OUR ZOOM MEETINGS. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL KIND OF A FOG RIGHT NOW.
AND AT THAT MEETING, IT WAS PRESENTED AS NOBODY MENTIONED, RV, THERE AT ALL.
AND IN FACT, IT WAS SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT NOT ONLY-- NOT-- I THINK IT WAS, AND I MAY GET IT WRONG, BUT I JUST REMEMBER I THINK IT WAS COUNCIL MEMBER NICKERSON OR SOMEBODY.
OR MAYBE IT WAS WILL WHO SAID AT THE TIME THAT NOT ONLY WERE THERE NOT BE RV PARKING THERE, BUT YOU COULDN'T EVEN PULL AN RV, YOU WEREN'T EVEN SUPPOSED TO HAVE RVS OVER IN THAT AREA. YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO PARK THEM AND THEN USE A CABIN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THAT'S NOT-- AND SO I'M A LITTLE INTERESTED-- WHAT YOU SAID, THOUGH, IS THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU HAD ASKED FOR? THAT'S CORRECT. OK, SO YOUR ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY? YES, SIR. A MIX OF CABINS AND RVS.
YES, SIR. I DON'T HAVE MORE THAN FIVE OR SIX CABINS AT ANY OF MY LOCATIONS.
OK. AND THAT'S WHY [INAUDIBLE] GO, WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING WITH DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM
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WILLIAMS, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOUR PLAN GOING FORWARD WOULD BE TO PUT CABINS HERE.BUT YOUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO HAVE FIVE CABINS AND I GUESS, 13 RV SPOTS.
IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT? SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU KNOW, IF THE MARKET WARRANTS THAT I PUT EIGHT OR NINE CABINS, THEN I'M NOT AGAINST THAT AT ALL.
BUT THE MARKET AND I WOULD NOT EVER SEE THAT THE MARKET SAY THAT I PUT EIGHTEEN CABINS ON THERE. OK. OK.
NO, I APPRECIATE YOUR CANDOR ON THAT.
I-- IT CREATES A LITTLE BIT OF A CONUNDRUM FOR COUNCIL.
I WISH THAT WE'D HAD MORE OF A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS A FEW YEARS AGO.
BUT YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S NOT ALWAYS SO EASY TO DO THAT.
YES, SIR. BUT-- BECAUSE I KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE FEELING THAT I HAVE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MADE A COMMITMENT TO THE NEIGHBORS, TO EVERYONE WHEN WE APPROVED IT.
CABINS, YOU GET BUFFER, YOU GET TRANSITIONAL SPACE.
AND SO I WISH WE HAD HAD A MORE FULL DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AT THAT TIME, BECAUSE NOW I FEEL LIKE WE'RE KIND OF GOING BACK ON WHERE WE WERE.
BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR CANDOR ON IT AND I DO APPRECIATE WHAT YOU BUILT THERE.
IT DOES LOOK GREAT AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO IT BEING OPEN.
AND I WOULDN'T MIND, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF CABINS OVER THERE, MAYBE-- I DON'T HAVE AN RV, BUT MAYBE WE'D COME STAY IN THE CABINS.
WELL, WE COULD SET YOU UP. THERE YOU GO.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE.
[INAUDIBLE] THIS IS REALLY AN EDUCATION FOR ME.
I'M LEARNING A GREAT DEAL AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I REALLY NEED BECAUSE I'M CERTAIN THAT WILL HELP SITUATIONS LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE.
WHEN YOU SAY THAT IN FIVE YEARS, YOU WILL BE ABLE, THOUGH YOU WILL BE ABLE TO PUT TO HOUSING OR CABINS ON THE PROPERTY.
AND YOU ALSO SAY THEY'VE GONE FROM 30000 TO 90000.
WHAT LEADS YOU TO BELIEVE THAT IN FIVE YEARS, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO POOL TOGETHER FIVE CABINS AT 90000 EACH? OR ARE YOU SAYING THAT BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE THE USE OF THE RV DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME? YES, SIR. EXACTLY.
IF I CAN USE THE PROPERTY, THEN I'LL BE ABLE TO SET THOSE MONIES ASIDE AND BE ABLE TO USE THAT. AS IT SETS NOW, AS WE KNOW BUSINESS, YOU KNOW THAT PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT MILLIONS SITTING THERE UNDERNEATH THAT PROPERTY AND INTO THE PROPERTY.
AND IN TURN, IF I CAN'T USE IT, THEN IN TURN IT JUST COSTS ME MONEY.
AS WE KNOW, AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY BUSINESS IS, AND IN TURN, I'D LOVE TO USE THE PROPERTY SO THAT I CAN GO AND GET THE CABINS.
OK. AS YOU'RE AWARE, I'VE EXPLAINED TO YOU THAT ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE TO HAVE HAS TO DO WITH THAT OF THE HOMEOWNERS.
YES, SIR. AND THAT IS AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE STILL CONCERNED AND PRIMARILY, I THINK, BASED ON WHAT COUNCILMAN AUBIN HAS JUST BROUGHT FORWARD.
WE APPROVED, WE MADE PROMISES.
WE STATED THIS WAS THE ROUTE THAT WE WERE GOING TO GO AND THEN WE'RE COMING BACK TODAY AND WE'RE SAYING BECAUSE OF COVID AND BECAUSE OF EXPENDITURES AND BECAUSE OF INFLATION.
AND THAT'S OF COURSE, THAT'S PART OF BUSINESS.
I MEAN, IT'S A PROCESS, BUT HOW ARE WE TO RECKON? HOW ARE WE GOING TO RECONCILE? AND HONESTLY, I THINK THAT WE DID RECONCILE BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE THE HOMEOWNERS WERE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE VISION, THE VIEW FROM THE OUTSIDE.
AND YOU HAVE TAKEN A LOT OF LIBERTIES HERE IN ATTEMPTING, IT SEEMS, TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES. BUT CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT DO YOU THINK WE CAN DO TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE OF THEIR CONCERNS AS IT RELATES TO THEY TRULY FEEL THAT MAYBE THEY'RE BEING VIOLATED PRESENTLY? WELL, AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, AS YOU DIDN'T KNOW, YOU DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE AND YOU ALL TOOK A CHANCE ON ME ON THE TYPE OF PROPERTY THAT I WOULD PUT IN.
AND IN TURN, I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY WITH THEM TO PUT IN THE SCREENING THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE MADE SOME CHANGES ALREADY AND I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN BE SATISFIED AS WELL THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO DO MY BEST TO MAKE IT APPEASABLE AS WELL TO THEM AND MAKE IT VIEWABLE.
THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, I TOOK THE LIBERTY TO MAKE THE CHANGE ON THE FENCE AND, YOU KNOW, TOOK THE LARGE EXPENDITURE TO CHANGE IT TO WROUGHT IRON AND THEN MADE THE LARGE EXPENDITURE TO CHANGE IT BACK.
BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT JUST AS NICE AS I CAN AND CHANGING THE ELEVATION AS WELL TO CONTOUR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PUTTING IN
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THE NECESSARY UTILITIES AND STUFF OF THAT NATURE.CHANGES THAT I DID TO MAKE IT MORE APPEASABLE TO THEM IS ONE OF THE THINGS I DID AS WELL.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU.
I'M [INAUDIBLE]. I DON'T HAVE ANYONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE, BUT I DO HAVE SOME SPEAKERS, SO WE WILL GIVE YOU TIME FOR REBUTTAL.
ONCE FIRST SPEAKER IS SEAN DAVIS.
AND MR. DAVIS, IF YOU CAN COME FORWARD AND YOU CAN GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
AND MR. DAVIS, I WILL CAUTION YOU, IT'S A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT AND THREE MINUTES GOES BY VERY FAST. I RESERVE THAT, MR. MAYOR. I READ YOUR EXTENSIVE EMAIL THIS AFTERNOON AND I SEE YOU HAVE SOME OTHER MATERIALS WITH YOU. SO I JUST WANT TO CAUTION YOU THAT THREE MINUTES IS FAST BEFORE YOU GET STARTED. [LAUGHTER] WELL, THEN I'LL DO YOU ALL A FAVOR OF BEING AS FAST AS I POSSIBLY CAN. [LAUGHTER] I HELD MR. TURNER TO HIS 10 MINUTES AND A LITTLE OVER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, FOR THE RECORD, WE WILL TAKE OFF. I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.
I LIVE AT 3910 ZION ROAD, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION I'M ACTUALLY ONE PROPERTY OVER FROM THE RV PARK, APPROXIMATELY ONE HUNDRED AND NINE FEET.
ACTUALLY, I'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU ALL SOMETHING IF I COULD GET THIS THING WORKING.
ACTUALLY, I HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS, BUT I'M GOING TO TRY TO CRUISE THROUGH THEM AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
THAT'D BE A LOT EASIER TO SEE THIS ANYWAY.
OK. IF YOU CAN KIND OF PULL IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE SPACES HERE ALONG THE STREET ARE WHERE THE-- THIS IS REALLY THE POINT OF CONTENTION. MR. TURNER IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
THOSE GUYS TOOK ALL OF THE LAND DOWN ON PHASE TWO.
THE REAL CONCERN FOR, I WOULD ARGUE, EVERYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS THAT YOU GET TO SEE EITHER THESE CABINS OR THE RVS.
THE RVS RANGE BETWEEN 10 FEET AND 13 FEET JUST DEPENDS ON THE RV.
I WOULD IMAGINE THE MORE EXPENSIVE THEY ARE, THE HIGHER THEY'RE GOING TO BE.
BUT REALLY, FROM THIS POINT HERE BACK, IT'S PRETTY TALL.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN RV THAT CAN BE SEEN AT THAT POINT, WHICH IS WHY I'M BRINGING THIS UP. BECAUSE YES, OF COURSE, I'VE BEEN AGAINST THIS FOR SIX YEARS.
I'VE BEEN RALLYING EVERYBODY I CAN TO PLEASE GET RID OF THIS.
BUT FRANKLY SPEAKING, ONCE THE LAND CHANGED, WELL, THAT JUST CHANGED THE SCRIPT COMPLETELY. YOU JUST CAN'T SEE IT UNLESS YOU'RE LOOKING INTO THE PARK.
AND FRANKLY SPEAKING, NO ONE IS LOOKING INSIDE THE PARK.
AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE OF THE REASON WHY YOU THINK.
ALL OF THIS REALLY WAS A [INAUDIBLE] CHANGE BECAUSE OF THE MASTER TRAIL PLAN.
I LOVE THE MASTER TRAIL PLAN BECAUSE JOHN PAUL JONES IS IMPOSSIBLE TO LEAVE VIA BICYCLE OR ON FOOT UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO GO CROSS COUNTRY.
AND IN FACT, I CAN'T EVEN LEAVE MY NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT TAKING MY LIFE IN MY OWN HANDS ON I-30 FRONTAGE ROAD.
IF THE MASTER TRAIL PLAN COMES THROUGH, WHICH IS AFTER TALKING WITH MR. KORAT FOR AN HOUR LAST WEEK, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A THING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE CITY. ALL I CAN SEE AT THIS POINT IS WHAT'S BEEN DEALT WITH ME VIA THE CARDS.
I CAN'T GO AGAINST WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE, EVEN IF MR. TURNER DOESN'T GET HIS RV CABIN COMBO AND HIS CABINS ARE NOTHING.
THIS IS STILL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU CANNOT PUT THE TOOTHPASTE BACK INTO THE TUBE AND THEREFORE THE BEST THING THAT I CAN DO IS WORK WITH THE CITY, AND THAT INCLUDES THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND ANYBODY ELSE THAT WILL HAVE MY HELP AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THEM AS FAR AS MAKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD BETTER TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN BUILT AND MY TIME'S UP. ANY QUESTIONS I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER? COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN. SO-- THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN AGAIN ON THIS ISSUE AND FOR KIND OF BIRD DOG IN THIS ISSUE NOW FOR MANY YEARS.
IT'S GREAT. [LAUGHTER] SO, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE WE MISSED THE-- WE DIDN'T GET TO THE QUITE THE PUNCH LINE OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO TELL US, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU-- GIVEN WHERE THINGS ARE NOW WITH THE FENCE, WITH THE GRADE AND OTHER STUFF, YOU KNOW WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT OF WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE? OK, SO THAT'S AN OPEN ENDED QUESTION.
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I UNDERSTAND. BUT I'M STILL NOT GOING TO TAKE UP A TON OF TIME.AS IT TURNS OUT, HOWEVER, I DO HAPPEN TO HAVE SOME INFORMATION THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR THE COUNCIL. AS MR. TURNER IS CORRECT IN SAYING, I AM A PROLIFIC DESIGNER.
MY WIFE AND I HAVE BEEN DESIGNING FOR WELL OVER 20 YEARS ARCHITECTURAL AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURAL. ALSO, DOOR HANDLES AND LIGHTING AND JUST SO MANY THINGS, BUT BY NATURE AND BY TRADE, THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
FOR INSTANCE, WHEN I HAVE A LITTLE FREE TIME, THIS IS THE NEW FENCE THAT'S BEEN INSTALLED BY MR. TURNER FROM THE VIEW OF MY DRIVEWAY LOOKING WEST AT THE END OF PHASE TWO ON ZION ROAD. THIS IS ZION ROAD HERE AT THIS POINT.
OH, EXCUSE ME. SORRY ABOUT THAT.
AND WELL, THAT'S ZION ROAD THERE ON THE RIGHT.
NOW WHAT I'M GETTING AT ON THIS IS THE CABINS [INAUDIBLE] FLIPPED BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHICH SIDE IS WHICH, BUT THE HEIGHT IS THE MAIN THING.
MR. TURNER'S CHANGE IN TOPOGRAPHY FROM WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SIX FOOT TALL PICKET FENCE AND PRESUMABLY THE CABINS WOULD BE MORE OR LESS STREET LEVEL TO A HIGH LEVEL WHICH MATCHES THE REST OF THE RV PARK MEANS THAT THE HEIGHT OF THE CABINS AND INDEED THE HEIGHT OF THE RVS IS GOING TO BE AT THIS LOCATION.
NOW IF-- WITHOUT THAT HEIGHT CHANGE, THIS IS THE HEIGHT OF THE CABIN'S SAME LOCATION, JUST A LOT LOWER IF HE HAS RVS IN THERE NOW WE'RE TALKING BASICALLY-- ACTUALLY HAVE A PICTURE THAT I TOOK EARLIER TODAY ON MY PHONE.
BASICALLY, WE'RE TALKING THE DIFFERENCE OF ABOUT THREE AND A HALF TO FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT.
NOW, BEFORE THAT WOULD-- BEFORE, I WOULD SAY THAT'S A DEAL BREAKER, MR. TURNER AND I HAVE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED SCREENING, AS HE MENTIONED EARLIER IN HIS DISCUSSION BEFOREHAND THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT 48 15 GALLON EASTERN RED CEDARS, EXTRAORDINARILY SLOW GROWING PLANTS AND THAT 15 GALLONS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A FOUR FOOT HEIGHT, THEIR CONICAL SHAPE TOO.
THEY'RE NOT LARGE AND WIDE, THEY'RE POINTED.
IT COULD TAKE EVERY BIT OF 20 YEARS TO CIRCUMVENT THE HEIGHTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, CERTAINLY ON THE STREET. BUT WITH THE CHANGE IN TOPOGRAPHY AND MR. TURNER'S RECENT EDUCATION ON THE HEIGHT OF CERTAIN HOLLIES, WHICH HE ACTUALLY HAS IN THE BACK OF THIS PROPERTY, SAME PROPERTY AT PHASE TWO.
NELLIE R. STEPHENS HOLLIES GROW APPROXIMATELY THREE FEET PER YEAR.
AT THREE FEET PER YEAR, PLUS SHAVING IF HE HAS A HEDGE TRIMMER AND SOME GUYS TO DO IT.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE.
FRANKLY SPEAKING, I DON'T CARE WHAT THIS PARK LOOKS LIKE AT THAT POINT IN ABOUT FOUR YEARS, I WON'T SEE IT.
THE ONLY WAY I'LL SEE IT IS, AS I SAID EARLIER, GET RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT AND LOOK INTO IT. AND THAT'S THE ABSOLUTE FACTS.
YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF IT'S BLOCKED BY TREES AND SHRUBS.
AND AS LONG AS THE SHRUBS ARE MAINTAINED, WHICH I EXPECT THEY WOULD BE BASED ON MR. TURNER'S DESIRE TO MAKE THIS THE GREATEST RV PARK RESORT IN THE COUNTRY.
I REALLY DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE AS GREAT A FACTOR AS IT WAS WITHOUT THAT CHANGE, WITHOUT THE CHANGE OF TOPOGRAPHY, MOST CERTAINLY.
AND THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
[INAUDIBLE] ANY FURTHER QUESTION. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
[LAUGHTER] COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH.
THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND I DID GET YOUR EMAIL.
VERY WELL-WRITTEN, VERY DETAILED AND A CUT ABOVE WHAT WE WOULD USUALLY RECEIVE.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU PUT INTO IT.
WELL, I THANK YOU. ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I RECALL JUST NOW THAT I RAISED BACK IN 2020 WAS THE WINDOWS IN THE CABINS.
YES. THEIR ABILITY TO LOOK OUT ONTO Y'ALLS PROPERTY AND TRYING TO PROVIDE YOU ALL WITH SOME PRIVACY. SO YOU'VE ADDRESSED THAT SOMEWHAT WITH THE SCREENING AND THE VEGETATION, BUT I STILL HAVE THAT SIMILAR CONCERN BECAUSE IF WE HAVE WINDOWS ON AN RV, THEY'RE POINTING OUT AT ALL, PEOPLE LOOKING AT IT, YOUR PROPERTY AND YES, I KNOW [INAUDIBLE], BUT WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE PROPERTY INTERESTS HERE.
SO DOES THE FAST GROWTH VEGETATION FIX THAT FULLY? OR DO WE STILL HAVE THAT-- WE STILL HAVE AN ISSUE THERE? I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION EXACTLY BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A LITTLE SUBJECTIVE TO THE VIEWER.
THIS PROPERTY ACTUALLY HAS A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT'S ON THE ROAD.
IT IS-- I BELIEVE I CAN CHECK IT OUT RIGHT NOW.
IF IT'S STILL THE SAME, IT WOULD BE, I BELIEVE THESE TREES HERE ALONG WHERE THE CABINS OR THE PARKING SPOTS ARE.
THOSE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BALD CYPRESS.
ANYBODY THAT KNOWS TREES KNOWS BALD CYPRESS.
THEY'RE TALL, THEY'RE DECIDUOUS, SO THEY LOSE THEIR LEAVES.
IN THE WINTER, HOWEVER, THERE'S A CLUSTER IN JOHN PAUL JONES PARK, CLOSER TO THE
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CONDOMINIUMS DOWN THE STREET.AND THEY'RE, ACTUALLY THEY'RE QUITE LARGE.
I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT THOSE HAVE BEEN INSTALLED AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
THEY WILL BE EVERY BIT OF 100 FEET TALL.
WHEN THEY'RE LEAFED OUT IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE ANYTHING, INCLUDING THE GEORGE BUSH ONCE THOSE GUYS COME TO FULL SIZE.
I WOULD ARGUE EVEN IN THE WINTER, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE THAN-- IT WOULD BE MORE THAN JUST SLIGHTLY OBSCURED.
YOU WILL BE DIFFICULT TO SEE IT AT ALL IF WITHIN RANGE.
BASED ON THIS, PLUS THE LOCATION OF THE NELLIE R.
STEPHENS RUNNING ALONG THE FENCE LINE, IT'S MY PERSONAL PROFESSIONAL BELIEF THAT, THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH OF A SCREEN FOR MOST.
MR. TURNER HAD TWO CABINS SELECTED.
ONE, THE ONE THAT I SHOWED YOU VIA THIS PHOTOSHOP DRAWING THAT I DID REAL FAST.
THE SECOND CABIN IS 19 FEET, EXCUSE ME, 14 FEET, EIGHT INCH TALL.
THE SECOND CABIN IS 19 FEET, ONE INCH TALL.
IT'S CONSIDERABLY LARGER, AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT HAD THE LOFTS IN THEM.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
THE 14 FOOT I WOULD WAGER IS PROBABLY THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE STREET REGARDLESS, JUST BECAUSE IT'S SO TALL.
I KNOW ONE THING, THOUGH, WITH THE CHANGE, THE TOPOGRAPHY, EVEN IF HE INSTALLS ALL THE CABINS DOWN THE LENGTH OF THE SIDE, THAT FENCE IS GOING TO BLOCK REALLY THE LION'S SHARE.
PERHAPS THIS SPACE HERE WHERE I'M POINTING WITH MY POINTER HERE, THESE TWO SPACES MAY NOT BE COMPLETELY OBSCURED BY EITHER THE FENCE OR AT LEAST WITHIN THE FIRST FOUR YEARS OR FIVE YEARS, PERHAPS DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF PLANTS HE CHOOSES.
THEY PROBABLY WILL NOT OCCLUDE THE SIZE OF THOSE CABINS.
ALSO, FRANKLY, IF THEY STAY YELLOW AS MUCH AS I LIKE YELLOW, I HAVE A PIECE OF YELLOW IN MY HOUSE THAT'S GOING TO STAND OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB.
DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMS. GOOD EVENING, SIR. GOOD EVENING.
AND I WATCHED YOUR QUESTIONING THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING ON THE-- EXCUSE ME, THE TOOL RENTAL AT HOME DEPOT.
YOU WERE VERY, VERY THOROUGH AND I WAS IMPRESSED.
IF YOU DON'T MIND ME SAYING I WATCHED ALL OF THAT.
WE NORMALLY DON'T GET COMPLIMENTS UP HERE, SIR.
[LAUGHTER] WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL DO YOUR JOB VERY WELL.
I'VE BEEN WATCHING YOU FOR SOME TIME NOW.
I'M QUITE INTERESTED IN WHAT GOES ON WITH THIS COUNCIL, SO.
HATS OFF. [INAUDIBLE] YOU'RE OUR ONE VIEWER.
WE APPRECIATE IT. BUT VERY QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.
YES, SIR. AND HOPEFULLY IT'S A YES AND NO QUESTION.
I WILL TRY TO GIVE IT MY BEST.
OK. GIVEN ALL THAT YOU KNOW OR THAT YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT THE QUESTIONS AND THE PRESENTATION GIVEN THIS REQUEST.
ARE YOU IN SUPPORT OF YES OR NO? IF YOU'RE UNDECIDED, THAT'S AN ANSWER TOO.
I THINK I HAVE AN ASTERIX WITH MY YES, I WOULD SAY I'M SUPPORT OF IT SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT EVERYTHING THAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS EVENING IS FACTUAL.
IT'S NOT A MATTER OF WHETHER I'M, IN MY OPINION, IS THIS OR THAT THOSE PLANTS WILL COVER THE LION'S SHARE.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER A SIN IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, A BIG COMMERCIAL ENTITY ENCROACHING UPON A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S WHY I'VE BEEN FIGHTING WITH SWORD AND SHIELD FOR YEARS.
HOWEVER, LET ME SHOW YOU SOMETHING.
THIS BOOK, MANAGING QUALITY AND ARCHITECTURE, THIS IS A SOMETHING OF A BIBLE TO MOST ARCHITECTS OR ITS SIMILAR ILK PEOPLE THAT BUILD THINGS INCLUDING LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE AND BUILDING ARCHITECTURE WITHOUT QUALITY MANAGEMENT.
THE COST OVERRUNS ARE PHENOMENAL.
I BELIEVE IT WAS A DEVELOPER WHO SAID TIME IS MONEY.
I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE WOULD SAY SUCH THING.
BUT AFTER TWO YEARS OF WATCHING THIS THING PROGRESSIVELY GO ON, I HAVE NO REASON TO THINK THAT THE CABINS DON'T COST A GREAT DEAL MORE THAN THEY DID INITIALLY.
IT'S JUST SAY THAT, SIR AND ALL OF YOU.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE AS EXPENSIVE AS HE SAYS, BECAUSE I THINK I'VE SHOPPED THIS AROUND. NO OFFENSE, BUT THAT'S TRUST BUT VERIFY.
AND EITHER EVENT, THEY'RE FAR MORE THAN WHAT HE WAS INITIALLY GOING TO USE.
AND I DON'T BLAME HIM FOR SAYING, PLEASE GIVE ME AN SUP ON THIS.
THAT SAID, SIR, IF THE CABINS ARE NOT IN THOSE FIRST FIVE SPOTS, IT JUST MAKES SENSE.
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IT'S FIVE SPOTS.HE HAS ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THREE SPOTS IN HIS RV PARK.
WE MUSTN'T FORGET THAT 183 SPOTS AT $75 DOLLARS A NIGHT.
WHAT I WAS REMEMBERING FROM SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT TRANSLATES INTO ABOUT $5 MILLION PER YEAR. THAT'S GROSS.
THE POINT IS, IS THAT THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY IF HE'S GOING TO BE PACKED FULL, I THINK AT THIS POINT HAVING RVS IN THE BACK AND LEAVING THAT FIVE, THOSE FIVE LONE SPOTS ALONE OR TO ALLOW CABINS ONLY.
IT'S A MINOR THING FOR, I THINK, MR. TURNER. IT'S A WIN LOSE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S A WIN LOSE FOR MR. TURNER. SOMETIMES THAT'S HOW DECISIONS ARE MADE.
IN FACT, IF I'M HONEST, POLITICS GENERALLY SPEAKING COULD USE A LOT MORE OF THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEING FROM THIS.
I THINK MR. TURNER'S PARK IS GOING TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL.
BUT I THINK THIS MISSING FIVE SPOTS ON THE STREET, IT'S HARDLY A DEAL BREAKER.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE WHOLE THING IS IN A NUTSHELL.
I TRY TO KEEP IT SHORT. I'M SO SORRY, MR. MAYOR. I WILL TELL YOU THAT IT'S THE MOST ELOQUENT YES, ANSWER TO A YES OR NO QUESTION THAT I'VE EVER HAD. [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU SO MUCH.
COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN. I AM JUST SO CONFUSED AT THIS POINT.
[LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE] THE RIGHT ANSWER? BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DO-- AS A LAWYER, WHEN WE DO MEDIATIONS, WE SAY THAT THE GOAL OF MEDIATIONS IS THAT EVERYBODY WALKS OUT A LITTLE BIT UNHAPPY.
SO THAT'S SOMETIMES AN OK RESULT.
AND SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE END RESULT THAT YOU WOULD BE COMFORTABLY UNHAPPY WITH.
WOULD BE THE PLANTING OF THESE HOLLIES, WHICH I'M NOW GOING TO RESEARCH FOR MY OWN HOUSE.
SO I'VE LEARNED SOMETHING TONIGHT.
WOULD BE THE PLANTING OF THESE HOLLIES ALONG THAT BORDER FENCE, AT LEAST IN A COUPLE OF LOCATIONS, TO PROVIDE COVER OR SCREENING.
AND WOULD IT BE THAT CABINS IN ONE THROUGH FIVE, NOTHING IN ONE THROUGH FIVE, RVS IN ONE THROUGH FIVE? I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM ON THAT BECAUSE I-- YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT THE CABINS AND IT'S LIKE, OH, THE CABINS ARE ACTUALLY TALLER THAN THE RVS, IT SOUNDS LIKE SO.
SO TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT-- IN MY HEAD, TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE OF THINGS AND RECOGNIZING THAT THERE ARE OTHER EFFECTS ALSO OF THE RVS.
IF YOU'RE RIGHT NEXT TO IT, I MEAN, I WOULD HOPE THAT THERE ARE-- THAT YOU ALL HAVE IDLING ORDINANCES OR I GUESS THEY DON'T EVEN REALLY NEED TO IDLE IF THEY'RE PLUGGED IN.
SO, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ALL OF THE DELETERIOUS EFFECTS OF HAVING THOSE RV CLOSER TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA IS.
BUT SO YOU'RE THINKING SPOTS ONE TO FIVE, YOU KNOW, A, B OR C, YOU KNOW, RVS, CABINS, NOTHING OR I GUESS A MIX ALL OF THE ABOVE AND THEN SPOTS SIX THROUGH 18 DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT GOES THERE? SO LET ME BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR.
THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. THANK YOU.
MY PLEASURE. I WOULD PERSONALLY RATHER NOT SEE RVS IN ONE THROUGH FIVE.
IT WOULD BE FOR ME, CABINS OR NOTHING.
AS A PROFESSIONAL DESIGNER AND HAVING LOOKED AT THIS PROPERTY AND THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ON PHASE ONE AND ESPECIALLY IF IT'S FULL, I WOULD ARGUE THAT, THAT SECTION WOULD NOT BE USED FOR EITHER CABINS OR RVS.
I WOULD HAVE TURNED IT INTO A SEATING AREA WITH ADIRONDACK CHAIRS AND PERGOLAS AND FIRE PITS AND ALL THAT OTHER FUN STUFF.
BUT THAT'S ME, AND THAT'S FREE ADVICE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THAT. PLEASE DON'T EVEN SAY IT.
THE POINT IS, IS THAT I BELIEVE FOR SYMPATHY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
A HOUSE IS NOT AN RV, AN RV IS AN RV, AND IT'S CYCLICALLY SPEAKING WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY'LL BE PAINTED LIKE NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER.
PERHAPS BANANA YELLOW, PERHAPS ORANGE WILL BE THE COLOR OF RVS.
MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO PAINT THEIR HOME THAT COLOR AND CABINS WILL NOT BE TERRIBLY ATTRACTIVE IF THEY'RE THAT COLOR, REGARDLESS OF THE MOOD SWINGS OF THE MASSES.
THE POINT IS, IS THAT SYMPATHY, IF NOT JUST FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO FOR THE PARK.
AS I SAID BEFORE, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW PLEASED I AM TO SEE THE MASTER TRAIL PLAN IS A REALITY, AND ON PAPER, ANYWAY, I ALSO I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW PLEASED I AM TO SEE THAT
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WITHIN THAT PLAN THAT THERE ARE AMENITIES NOT JUST FOR WALKING AND BICYCLING, BUT ALSO THERE WAS A CANOE AND KAYAK SLIP THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THE MAIN PLAN, WHICH I'M ALSO A HUGE FAN OF SINCE I AM AN OUTDOORSMAN AND SO IS MY WIFE, WE PADDLE ON CANOES AND KAYAKS, AND THERE'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GET INTO THE LAKE UNLESS I DROP IT IN AND HOPE, YOU KNOW, TO GOD THAT I DON'T BREAK MY LEGS WHEN I GET DOWN INTO THE BOAT.WITH THAT IN MIND, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY ALSO BE CONSIDERABLY USEFUL FOR THE PATRONS THAT GO TO MR. TURNER'S ESTABLISHMENT TO VIA BAYOUS PARK, AND IT WOULD BE A DESTINATION REASON TO GO TO THE LAKE.
AFTER ALL, IF YOU'RE GOING TO THE LAKE, WHAT DO YOU SEE WHEN YOU GET THERE OTHER THAN THE LAKE? WHAT'S THE DRAW? IS IT JUST THE LAKE? IS IT-- SORRY TO SAY THIS, BUT IS IT SAPPHIRE BAY, WHICH MAY OR NEVER OPEN UP? AND IF IT DOES, IT MAY BE A BUST ANYWAY.
IT'S GREAT, BUT THERE'S NO REAL REASON TO GO THERE OTHER THAN TO SEE THE LAKE UNLESS YOU'RE TOWING A BOAT BEHIND YOUR RV, AND THAT MAY NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN.
IT WOULD BE NICE IF PEOPLE GOT THERE AND ENJOYED THE OUTDOORS.
IT WOULD ALSO BE NICE WHEN THESE TREES GROW AND PERHAPS THE OWLS WOULD RETURN AND ALL THE BATS THAT WILL RETURN FROM LOST OF HABITAT, SO HAVE A LITTLE DIFFICULTY IN GETTING PAST.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHO ASKED THE QUESTION.
I THINK IT WAS ME. PRETTY SURE ME.
NO. YES, IT DOES. IT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.
DON'T GET ME OUT OF GOOD YARN. I'LL NEVER STOP.
NO, I ACTUALLY I APPRECIATE THE LEVEL OF DETAIL AND THOUGHT THAT YOU PUT INTO IT AND YOUR EMAIL AND YOUR PRESENTATIONS AND ALL OF THAT OTHER STUFF HERE.
IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE HELPFUL. REGRETTABLY, THE EMAIL IS OUTDATED.
MR. TURNER. AND I THINK WE'VE COME TO A FAIRLY GOOD UNDERSTANDING SINCE, WHAT, TWO WEEKS, THREE WEEKS. SO NO, IT'S CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS CERTAINLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I EXPECTED TO HEAR TONIGHT.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD TO SEE THINGS KIND OF MOVING, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS THAT DIRECTION. IT'S GOOD TO SEE WHEN MAKE ONE MORE STATEMENT, THOUGH, TO LOOK IN THIS CAMERA.
KNOCK YOURSELF OUT. GO FORWARD.
JOANNE STANLEY WOULD BE WATCHING THIS TONIGHT FROM HER HOME, AND HER OPINION IS THAT I THINK CABINS ONLY ARE WHAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SPACE, AND I WOULD NOT BE LITTLE OF THAT OPINION. I THINK HER OPINION IS FANTASTIC, AND I DON'T MEAN TO DENIGRATE ANYBODY'S PARTICULAR OPINION ON THIS.
TO BE SURE, MRS. STANLEY IS, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THE MATRIARCH OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SHE HAS BEEN THERE SINCE, WELL, MY HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT IN 1966.
IN FACT, THAT PROPERTY WAS JOINED TOGETHER BEFORE THEY SOLD IT TO THE BUILDER WHO ENDED UP LIVING INTO THE HOUSE AND LIVING IN THE HOUSE THAT HE BUILT UNTIL HE PASSED AWAY IN 82. THE POINT IS, IS THAT LOTS OF PEOPLE HAVE OPINIONS, AND I KNOW THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PAPERWORK THAT'S BEEN SENT BACK TO THIS COUNCIL TO SAY, THIS IS MY DEFINITE OPINION FOR WHATEVER REASONS.
I JUST FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE BEST SOLUTION FOR EVERYBODY, INCLUDING MR. TURNER. HE MAY DISAGREE, BUT IT IS ONLY FIVE SPOTS AND HE'S GOT ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THREE PLUS, YOU KNOW, THIRTEEN MORE.
IF THE COUNCIL APPROVES THIS PLAN, THIS SCHEME, IT'S WORTH REMEMBERING.
YOU GOOD? I MAY NEED SOME OF YOUR WATER.
I'M KIDDING, I'M KIDDING-- I'M JUST KIDDING.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND JUST LET YOU KNOW WE DO HAVE A VIRTUAL SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM AS WELL. OH, WE DO. OK.
ALL RIGHT. I WAS ABOUT TO CALL FOR THE--.
OK. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION.
I JUST I'M SITTING HERE WONDERING WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE IF THE TWO OF YOU HAD BEEN ABLE TO GET TOGETHER IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS WITH YOUR EXPERTISE AND HIS ABILITY TO BUILD WHAT THIS SITE COULD HAVE BEEN.
BUT IN SUMMARY, IT'S SOUNDING LIKE PRESENTLY YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT.
YOU ARE A YES SEMICOLON FOR EVERYTHING THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE PRESENTLY, EXCEPT FOR THOSE FIVE SPOTS ON THE VERY FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
OK. AND ON THOSE PROPERTIES, YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE EITHER CABINS OR NOTHING.
WITH THAT, SIR. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR AN UNDERSTANDING.
THANK YOU, MR. [INAUDIBLE]. MY PLEASURE.
HANG ON. I'M STILL NOT DONE YET.
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CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE YOU HAD THERE? OF COURSE. MY PLEASURE.IF I CAN GET THIS THING TO WORK AGAIN.
IT'S PROBABLY DEAD AFTER ALL THIS TIME.
YES, SIR. THE TWO THAT YOU SAID WOULD BE HIGHER.
WELL, WHAT IF HE PUTS THE RVS ON THE OTHER PART AND LEAVE THAT FOR THE VERY LAST AND THOSE TREES GROW UP? WOULD THAT HELP YOU? WELL, I'M GOING TO BE PERFECTLY FRANK WITH YOU, MR. I DON'T HAVE A LASER LEVEL ON THAT PROPERTY.
I'VE SEEN IT. I'VE OBSERVED IT.
I HAVE MY OWN LEVEL ON MY PROPERTY, AND I'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO WHAT I COULD WITHIN ALL LEGAL MEANS WITHOUT HAVING TO STEP ON MR. TURNER'S TOES, WHICH I WOULD NEVER DO.
WELL, HE'S TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE.
HE'S BEEN-- HE'S ACTUALLY BEEN REALLY QUITE GRACIOUS, AND I KNOW THAT LEVEL CHANGE WAS, LET'S KEEP IT STRAIGHT. HE BURIED A MANHOLE AND A DRAIN AND PIPES AND THEN CAME BACK AND PULLED ALL THAT OUT BECAUSE IT WAS FIVE FEET TOO HIGH AND THEN RAISE THE ENTIRE LEVEL OF THAT PARK DOWN A PHASE TWO DOWN AND THEN REINSTALLED.
I COULDN'T-- I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BECAUSE HE WAS BEING GRACIOUS, AND I DON'T-- OR I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME KIND OF INCREDIBLE SCREW UP.
I WOULD NEVER ACCUSE HIM OF A SCREW UP.
I JUST I HOPE IT WAS THE GRACIOUSNESS OF IT BECAUSE I'M AN OPTIMIST, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU ABOUT THAT, SIR.
I WISH I DID. I JUST DON'T HAVE A LEVEL ON THAT.
OK? THE LADY TOLD HIM TO PUT UP WROUGHT IRON FENCE.
THEN HE TOOK IT OUT AND PUT WOOD-- WOODEN FENCE.
YES, SIR. THAT CAUSED HIM A LOT OF MONEY.
I DON'T KNOW THE CONVERSATION THAT HE HAD WITH MRS. STANLEY. YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO ASK HER DIRECTLY.
I DON'T KNOW IF SHE SAID, YES, PLEASE DO THIS, OR IF HE BROUGHT IT UP TO HER SPEAKERS]. EITHER WAY, IT STILL HAPPENED, YOU KNOW? BUT IF HE WAITS TO THE VERY END FOR THOSE SIX AND SEVEN, THEN YOU CAN'T SEE NOTHING FROM YOUR HOUSE. PRESUMABLY THAT IS THE CASE.
THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT, MR. DAVIS, WE HAVE CLEARED THE QUEUE.
HUH? I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY, AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR PERSEVERANCE THROUGH THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.
BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN IN ONE OR OTHER OF THESE SEATS FOR THE ENTIRE TIME.
SO I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG THING, A LONG ORDEAL, BUT I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION YOU BROUGHT TO US TONIGHT.
AND SO AT THIS POINT, THANK YOU.
MY PLEASURE. HAVE A GREAT EVENING.
ALL OF YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
AND MADAM SECRETARY, IF WE COULD CUE UP OUR VIRTUAL SPEAKER, PLEASE.
HELLO. I KNOW YOU GUYS CAN'T SEE ME, BUT I'M SOMEONE THAT LIVES IN THE GARLAND AREA AND I'M CURRENTLY A COLLEGE STUDENT, BUT YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN MORE INVOLVED IN MY COMMUNITY, SO I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK ON A COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT I RAISED OR LIKE THAT I WAS QUESTIONING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE RV RESORT.
MY SPECIFIC ISSUE SINCE IT DID DESTROY A LOT OF LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL THINGS THAT WERE ALREADY IN THE AREA WOULD BE THAT IF, YOU KNOW, LIKE THANKFULLY IT HAS TREES AND IT'S TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A COMMUNITY WITHIN LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE RVS. BUT HOW OTHER WAYS WOULD YOU KNOW? LIKE WHAT OTHER WAYS COULD IT STILL BE TO MAINTAIN THE ENVIRONMENT LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE SOLAR PANEL WOULD POWER THIS AREA? OR IF LIKE BETTER BUS ACCESSIBILITY? BECAUSE WE DO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE BATS AND BIRDS AND THE OWLS AND A LOT OF TREES WERE TAKEN AWAY AND SADLY, BECAUSE OF MORE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING ON, ESPECIALLY LIKE IN TEXAS. GLOBAL WARMING IS STILL A BIG THING.
AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THIS AREA HAS ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED, BUT WE STILL NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THOSE THINGS AND POSSIBLY DO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE NOT TO LIKE-- I KNOW WE CAN'T LIKE REPAIR IT, BUT IT'S JUST LIKE, OH, LIKE TO STILL BE CONSIDERATE OF EVERYTHING THAT WE HAD DESTROYED OR LIKE AT THE AREA HAD DESTROYED.
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SO THAT'S ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE WAS THAT WHY ARE RVS THAT ARE 10 YEARS OLD OR OLDER, NOT ACCEPTABLE? I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AS TO THAT PART BECAUSE I DO KNOW THAT IT IS A RESORT AND THAT CERTAIN PEOPLE CAN AFFORD IT.BUT UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE CAN AFFORD THE NIGHT, BUT THEN LIKE STAYING THERE THE NIGHT. THIS, HOWEVER MUCH IT IS OF SEVENTY FIVE DOLLARS FOR A MONTH OR HOWEVER LONG THEY NEED TO STAY THERE. BUT YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY, SOME PEOPLE HAVE RVS, THEY'RE A LITTLE OLDER. SO I THINK IT'S JUST LIKE EXCLUDING A CERTAIN TYPE OF POPULATION SINCE IT IS IN THE GARLAND AREA AND GARLAND IS OBVIOUSLY NOT WEALTHY, GARLAND IS STILL WORKING CLASS PEOPLE. AND I JUST WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE MEMBERS OF LIKE MY COMMUNITY BECAUSE I LIVE ON AXE DRIVE AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE THAT DO LIVE IN THE RV COMMUNITIES THAT ARE LIKE IN THE SUBURBS, AND THEY WERE ACTUALLY THINKING ABOUT MOVING INTO THIS AREA.
BUT YOU KNOW, THEIR RVS ARE LIKE 15 YEARS OLD, 20 YEARS OLD.
SO THOSE ARE MY TWO QUESTIONS, OK? AND JUST I THINK YOU SAID YOUR NAME, IT'S BEING.
CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? YES. MY NAME IS CECILE LOPEZ.
CECILE IS SPELLED C E C I L L E, AND THEN LOPEZ IS L O P E Z. OK.
AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE? YES, OF COURSE, MY ADDRESS IS 1717 AXE DRIVE IN GARLAND, TEXAS. OK, VERY GOOD.
YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO ADDRESS ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS, AND I'LL LET MR. TURNER CERTAINLY SPEAK TO THE OTHER AS FAR AS THE IMPACTS TO THE ENVIRONMENT.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE ENVIRONMENT DIDN'T COME WITH CONCRETE AND WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL LANDSCAPING STANDARDS AND TO TRY TO MITIGATE THAT AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
BUT OBVIOUSLY [INAUDIBLE]-- A LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT CAN VERY RARELY REPLACE WHAT IS REMOVED.
WE TRY TO BE AS AWARE OF THAT AS POSSIBLE WITH WHAT WE ASK APPLICANTS TO REPLANT OR HOW MUCH TO REPLANT.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE MAINTAINING THE BALANCE OF THAT IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT. NO, OF COURSE, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE WE SHOULDN'T TRY AND CERTAINLY, WE DO TRY.
BUT LIKE I SAY, IT IS A-- IN A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS WHERE HONESTLY, YOU'RE TAKING OUT TREES AND LAND AND DIRT AND REPLACING IT WITH CONCRETE AND SEWER PIPES AND ALL OF THAT OBVIOUSLY STRIKING THE BALANCE THERE IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
SO WITH THAT, I THANK YOU AND I WILL INVITE MR. TURNER UP FOR SOME REBUTTAL TIME.
AND I THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.
YES, SIR. I HOPE YOU WERE PAYING ATTENTION.
YES, SIR. THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION, QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION WITH MR. DAVIS. AND I THINK THE TWO OF YOU HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS PREVIOUS TO THIS EVENING.
YES. BUT LET'S-- FOR THE RECORD, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CAN YOU ADDRESS THE AGE OF THE RVS? I WOULD ASSUME THAT PROBABLY INDICATES THE CONDITION THAT THE RVS ARE IN AND TRYING TO MAINTAIN THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING THERE.
WE DO ALLOW OLDER RVS INTO THE PARK.
IT'S JUST ONCE THEY'RE 10 YEARS OLD OR OLDER.
WE ASKED TO SEE A PICTURE OF THEM JUST TO SEE WHAT KIND OF CONDITION THAT THEY'RE IN, THAT THEY HAVE BEEN MAINTAINED AND THAT THEY ARE IN GOOD QUALITY.
AND SO WE ABSOLUTELY WILL ALLOW OLDER RVS IN.
THEY'RE MADE IN THE SIXTIES AND MANY OTHERS ARE AS WELL.
AND SO WE DON'T HAVE A CHALLENGE WITH OLDER RVS.
WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN, YOU KNOW, NICE GOOD CONDITION AND NOT GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE IN THE PARK.
SO LET'S CUT THROUGH ALL OF THE DISCUSSIONS HERE.
YOU'VE HEARD THE SUGGESTIONS THAT MR. DAVIS HAS MADE AND THE QUESTIONS AND SORT OF THE ANSWERS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS HAD.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE TO START. WHAT ARE YOU-- CAN YOU MAKE THAT WORK? HOW ABOUT THAT? HOW ABOUT WE START WITH--? CAN I MAKE WHAT WORK, SIR? AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPING CHANGE THAT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED, OBVIOUSLY THE FENCE IS ALREADY
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IN PLACE. YES, YES.AND YES, I'VE ALREADY WORKED WITH MR. SEAN ON MAKING THOSE LANDSCAPE CHALLENGES, AND I'VE ALREADY NOTIFIED MY GENTLEMAN WHO IS DOING THE LANDSCAPE. AND BY THE WAY, WE'RE SPENDING ABOUT THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY TO FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS JUST IN LANDSCAPING.
SO WE ARE COMING BACK AND REPLENISHING TREMENDOUSLY.
THERE'S A SEVERAL TRUCKS SHOW UP EVERY DAY OF VEGETATION AND LANDSCAPE THAT WE ARE REPLENISHING AND MAKING IT BEAUTIFUL.
AGAIN, WE WILL START AFTER THIS FREEZE NEXT WEEK WITH A LOT MORE VEGETATION.
WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR THE FREEZE TO GET OVER AND SO ON THAT.
SO WE HAPPY TO WORK WITH MAKING THOSE CHANGES ON THAT.
AND SO HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION [INAUDIBLE].
WE'VE GOT SOME FOLKS IN THE QUEUE FOR YOU HERE.
COUNCIL LADY MORRIS? THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU, MR. TURNER. I WAS KIND OF LETTING ALL THE QUESTIONS ZOOM AROUND AND SETTLE OUT.
YOU TOO, MA'AM. I WAS ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT YOUR CONCEPT WHEN YOU CAME TO US SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND I STILL AM.
THANK YOU. I WILL SAY THAT IT WAS INTERESTING WITH MR. DAVIS' SUGGESTION ABOUT HAVING LOTS ONE THROUGH FIVE, EITHER BE CABINS ARE VACANT, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHERE I HAD LANDED, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE THE PLAN COMMISSION ALSO LANDED IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION FOR A FOUR YEAR SUP WITH LOTS ONE THROUGH FIVE TO REMAIN CABINS OR OPEN SPACES.
SO I AM ASSUMING THAT IF THAT IS THE JUDGMENT OF THIS COUNCIL, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD LIVE WITH BECAUSE THAT WOULD ENABLE YOU TO USE A LOT OF THE LAND THAT'S CURRENTLY ASSIGNED ONLY TO CABINS.
HOPE I'M NOT INTERRUPTING. BUT YES, I CAN LIVE WITH IT.
I WOULD PREFER TO USE THOSE SPECIAL LOTS THAT ARE FRONT BECAUSE THEY ARE THE WATERFRONT LOTS. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE MOST IN DEMAND, AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE IDEAL FOR RVERS.
THOSE ARE ONES THAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR.
AND SO I'D LIKE TO PUT CABINS ON THERE JUST AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
AND SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT I WON'T, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS WILLING TO AGREE THAT I WILL HAVE CABINS START WITHIN THREE YEARS OF PUTTING THEM ON THERE AND IN TURN, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION OF PUTTING, YOU KNOW, JUST CABINS.
I MEAN, THE CABINS ARE TALLER THAN THE RVS ON THERE, AND SO THEY WILL ACTUALLY STICK UP HIGHER THAN THAT.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY WOULD BE MORE COVERAGE IF THERE WAS RV THERE.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REALLY NICE, BEAUTIFUL RVS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, CLASS-A VEHICLES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUT IN THERE.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND YOU AND I TALKED A GREAT DEAL ABOUT CABINS SEVERAL YEARS BACK.
YES, MA'AM. SO I WILL TELL YOU THAT MY INITIAL RESPONSE TO THIS IS THE SAME RESPONSE THAT I'VE HAD TO SEVERAL DEVELOPMENTS IN MY OWN DISTRICT WHERE THEY'VE COME.
AND THEIR APPROVAL CAME AFTER THEY AGREED TO CERTAIN COMMITMENTS.
AND THEN THEY CAME BACK LATER BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMY, BECAUSE OF VARIOUS THINGS, AND SAID, I WANT TO CHANGE THOSE THINGS, THOSE CONCESSIONS THAT I MADE AND I REMEMBER THE CABINS WERE CONCESSION ON YOUR PART, AND THEY WANTED TO TAKE THOSE THINGS BACK BECAUSE OF CIRCUMSTANCES HAD CHANGED.
AND I HAVE CONSISTENTLY SAID NO EVERY TIME.
IN THIS CASE, WITH THE COMPROMISE SUGGESTED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BY YOUR NEIGHBOR, I AM SEEING MY WAY CLEAR TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION THAT I DON'T NORMALLY MAKE.
GENERALLY, IF WE HAVE SOMEONE COME AND MAKE A COMMITMENT TO US, I WANT THEM TO DO WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO.
YES, MA'AM. AND I TOTALLY AGREE AND I PLAN ON DOING SO.
OK, SO IN MY CASE, I WILL JUST TELL YOU WHERE I'VE LANDED WITH THIS IS I KNOW IT'S NOT IDEAL FOR YOU, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING.
I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF A MOTION FOR A FOUR YEAR SUP AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED AND HAVING THOSE LOTS ONE THROUGH FIVE EITHER STAY EMPTY OR HAVE CABINS AND FOR YOU WITH ALL DUE SPEED TO HAVE CABINS THERE.
AND I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS, IT SOUNDS LIKE, PLANNING TO STAY THERE, BUT I REALLY DO APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS.
THAT SHINES VERY CLEARLY WITH THE COMMUNICATIONS WE'VE HAD.
I'VE APPRECIATED THE QUALITY OF WORK THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO THE RESORT.
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AND I WAS CONVINCED THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO DO WHEN YOU CAME BEFORE US SEVERAL YEARS AGO IN VIEW OF SOME OF YOUR OTHER PROPERTIES.AND I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT YOU'VE DELIVERED THAT AND IT'S BEEN VERY IMPRESSIVE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU THAT AND TELL YOU THAT KIND OF THE POINT THAT I'M WILLING TO GO TO IS WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED.
THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU'VE DONE.
I NOW HAVE RVERS IN MY FAMILY THAT I DIDN'T HAVE SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND THEY HAVE BEEN WATCHING WITH GREAT INTEREST WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER VERA.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. HOW ARE YOU DOING, MR. TURNER? I'M GOOD, SIR. HOW ARE YOU? YOU OK? I'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, SO YES, I'M GETTING COMFORTABLE UP HERE.
YOU KNOW, MR. DAVIS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE CABINS GOING TO BE FACING HIS HOUSE.
YES, SIR. ONE BY THE [INAUDIBLE].
WELL, [INAUDIBLE]. GOING TO HAVE A WINDOW? YEAH, WON'T FACE THIS HOUSE.
WOULD-- IF YOU PUT NO WINDOWS ON THAT SIDE THAT WOULD WORK PRETTY GOOD FOR HIS HOUSE.
YES, SIR. AND I THAT'S NOT THE VIEW.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO SEE THE WATER.
NO, NO, NO. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, SIR. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY [INAUDIBLE]? I KNOW WE'VE KIND OF INTERRUPTED YOUR REBUTTAL TIME, BUT THAT JUST KIND OF SEEMS THE WAY THIS HEARING IS GONE.
I'M HOLDING-- I'VE GOT COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE IN THE QUEUE AND I'D LIKE TO HOLD HIM FOR THE CONCLUSION OF ALL THIS.
SO IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO-- HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK BEFORE WE GO TO THAT? COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
YOU KNOW WHAT? I WROTE SOME NOTES TO MYSELF, AND NOW I CAN'T FIND THEM.
IN KIND OF THE VEIN OF HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT? IF THERE WAS A COMMITMENT TO-- I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, IS THERE AN SUP AT ALL ON PHASE ONE? NO, SIR.
SO THOSE ARE JUST RIGHT BY-- NOT BY RIGHT, BUT IN-- SO, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN GO THROUGH A FOUR YEAR SUP PROCESS AND HAVING YOU COME BACK AND AT WHICH POINT I'M SURE MR. DAVIS WILL HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN.
HOPEFULLY, WE WON'T BE WEARING MASKS AND DOING COVID STUFF THEN.
BUT I'M TRYING TO THINK IF THERE'S AN ACCEPTABLE WAY TO GET TO NOT HAVING TO HAVE AN SUP ON THIS, IF-- BECAUSE THE SENSE I GET FROM THE DISCUSSION IS THAT WE'RE OK WITH AT SOME LEVEL THAT THIS BEING JUST FLAT OUT BEING RVS FOR AT LEAST SOME PORTION OF IT.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, MY THOUGHT IS WOULD IT BE ACCEPTABLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THREE YEARS-- LET'S TALK FIRST, JUST ABOUT SPACES SIX TO 18.
YES, SIR. FOUR OF THOSE SPACES WILL BE CABINS WITHIN THREE YEARS AND THEN THE REST.
NO SUP. NO COMING BACK ON ANY OF THIS JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF ANYBODY, FOR EVERYBODY.
YOU DON'T EVER HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL ON ANY OF THIS STUFF AND THEN ONLY-- AND SO THEN YOU GET THOSE FOUR CABINS THERE AND THEN THE REST RV SPACES.
AND WHERE I LEAN ON ONE TO FIVE IS TO EITHER.
I MEAN, I KIND OF LEAN TOWARDS MAKING THE COMPROMISE TO LEAVE THAT AS A GREEN SPACE OF SOME SORT. AND IF YOU WANT TO PUT SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY RECREATIONAL SEATING AREA, WHATEVER, THAT'S FINE.
CAN WE PULL UP THE SITE PLAN JUST WHILE WE'RE-- DO YOU HAVE IT OR DOES WILL HAVE--? ONE RIGHT THERE? HERE WE GO.
WELL, THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE--.
[INAUDIBLE] WHERE THE MOUSE WENT. [INAUDIBLE].
THANK YOU. SO, COUNCIL, AS WE LOOK AT THAT SIX TO 18 AND INITIALLY MY THOUGHT HAD BEEN,
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YOU KNOW WHAT IF SIX TO 12 WERE CAB AND PRESENTING A BUFFER OR WHATEVER? BUT I THINK BASED ON THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD AND THE CHANGE IN ELEVATION, THAT MIGHT NOT REALLY BE NECESSARY.BUT IF WE SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE SET WHAT THE MIX WAS, WHETHER IT'S THREE CABINS, FOUR CABINS, FIVE CABINS AND THEN THE REST OF THE SIX THROUGH 18, THOSE ARE RVS WE-- NO SUP, WE DON'T COME BACK.
AND THEN-- I KNOW THAT THE HARDER PILL TO SWALLOW IS IF WE SAY ONE TO FIVE IS JUST GREEN SPACE, SO.
WELL, MY CHALLENGE WITH THAT, SIR, IS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT FIVE UP FRONT, OK, SAYING CABINS, OK? AND THEN YOU'RE SAYING SIX TO 12 OF BEING CABINS.
SO THEN THAT GETS ME TO 11 CABINS.
WHAT--. AM I MISUNDERSTANDING THAT? YEAH, WHAT I'M SAYING IS FOR THE TRADE OFF HERE BEING ONE TO FIVE, JUST BEING GREEN SPACE. NO, YOU MEAN FOREVER? YEAH. NO CABINS. NO, NOTHING ON THERE.
THAT BECOMES JUST GREEN SPACE IN THE-- SO I'M JUST TRYING TO BALANCE--.
DOLLARS UNDERNEATH THE GROUND THERE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S READY RIGHT NOW FOR ME TO PUT RVS ON.
I MEAN, IT'S GOT THE PEDESTALS ALREADY IN PLACE.
I DID SEE THAT AND I HAVE TO I MEAN, I HAVEN'T MENTIONED THAT TONIGHT.
I WOULDN'T REALLY COUNT THAT AS A POSITIVE IN THE SENSE THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SPEAKERS]. THE MONEY.
I KNOW BEEN THERE, BUT IT'S HARD FOR ME TO PUT THAT ON THE CITY OR ON THE COUNCIL WHEN YOU ALREADY SPENT THE MONEY TO DO SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL HAD NOT AGREED TO FOR THAT LAND USE, WHICH IS TO PUT RVS THERE.
WELL, I HAVEN'T PUT-- IT BECAUSE I CAN PUT IN THE SAME [INAUDIBLE] PLEASE DON'T GET ME WRONG, SIR, I DIDN'T GO OVERBOARD.
I DIDN'T [INAUDIBLE] UP OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.
IN THE SAME SPACE THAT I PUT A RV, I CAN PUT A CABIN AND VICE VERSA.
AND SO IT WAS JUST ALREADY SET UP.
SO WHEN I SAY I CAN PUT AN RV THERE, THE REASON IS I CAN AFFORD THE CONCRETE WHERE I CAN'T AFFORD THE CABIN, THAT'S-- MAYBE I SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID AFFORD, BUT.
ALL RIGHT. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF WHERE THINGS ARE.
MAYOR PRO TEM HEDRICK. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. LISTENING TO ALL THIS DISCUSSION AND ALSO HEARING THE DISCUSSION FROM SEVERAL YEARS AGO, SEEMS LIKE MR. TURNER AND MR. DAVIS. THEY'VE REALLY TRIED TO WORK TOGETHER IN ALL OF THIS, AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THE BEST SOLUTION FOR BOTH OF THEM.
TYPICALLY, I LIKE TO FALL IN THE SIDE OF THE PERSON'S PROPERTY IT IS WHO'S PUTTING THE MONEY MAKING THE INVESTMENT.
YOU HAVE NEIGHBORS WHO ALSO HAVE CONCERNS, BUT THEY'RE-- I MEAN, WHILE THEY ARE HUNDREDS FEET AWAY, THEY'RE NOT NEARLY AS INVESTED WITH TIME AND MONEY AS MR. TURNER IS. IT SEEMS LIKE MR. TURNER HAS ALREADY MADE A LOT OF CONCESSIONS WITH LOWERING IT.
I KNOW MYSELF HOW MUCH THE COST IS FOR PUTTING IN UTILITIES AND DOING ALL THAT, AND I TOO AM A PROFESSIONAL DESIGNER.
I AM ALWAYS IN BETWEEN THE-- WHAT SEEMS LIKE GOING ON HERE BETWEEN THE DESIGN PROFESSIONAL AND THE OPERATOR.
I GET MYSELF IN BETWEEN THOSE WITH THE TRYING TO MITIGATE THAT AS WELL.
THOSE ARE PREMIUM LOTS AT ONE THROUGH FIVE UP HERE.
WE SAW A RENDERING OF THE VIEW FROM THE NORTH AND FROM THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY.
IF WE MAKE SITE FIVE ALONE, A MANDATORY A CABIN, LET THE REMAINING ONE THROUGH FOUR BE RV SITES. THAT WOULD STILL PROVIDE WHAT MR. DAVIS WANTS TO HAVE THAT CABIN VIEW FROM HIS PROPERTY AND THE REMAINING FOUR SITES ARE RV SITES THAT ARE SCREENED BY THAT ONE CABIN.
THE-- MR. TURNER SAID THAT THOSE CABINS ARE TALLER THAN THE RVS.
EXCUSE ME, I'M GETTING THE NAMES CONFUSED.
YES. YEAH, THEY'RE-- AND SEEMING LIKE SIX THROUGH 12 ALONG THERE WOULDN'T MATTER BECAUSE WERE LOWER ANYWAY.
SO WHATEVER HE WANTS TO DO IN THE END, HE CAN LET THE MARKET DICTATED WHETHER HE WANTS TO HAVE MORE CABINS THERE. BUT I WOULD SUGGEST MOVING FORWARD WITH HAVING MANDATORY CABIN ONLY IN SPACE NUMBER FIVE AND THEN--.
THAT I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ON THE REST UNTIL THAT ONE IS A CABIN.
THAT'S FINE IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT.
I WON'T, YOU KNOW, PUT RVS WHERE YOU SEE RVS UNTIL I PUT A CABIN THERE.
I'VE LOOKED AT YOUR KATY LAKE RV RESORT LAYOUT AND YOU HAVE CABINS SPACED AROUND THE PROPERTY THERE. SO I WOULD ALWAYS RELY ON THE OPERATOR OF THE PARK TO MAKE THE DECISION-- THE BEST DECISION WHERE HE WOULD LIKE TO PUT THOSE CABINS.
IF THERE'S A DELAY, THEN YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE BUILT EVENTUALLY, BUT LET'S GO
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WITH ONE CONCESSION WITH THE SITE NUMBER FIVE BEING A MANDATORY CABIN CAN LEAVE THAT OPEN UNTIL ONE IS DELIVERED IN TWO AND A HALF, THREE OR FOUR YEARS OR SO.AND THEN LET THE MARKET DICTATE AS HE WISHES TO PUT RVS OR CABINS FOR THE REMAINDER.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MAYOR, MAY I ASK A QUESTION TO MR. SEAN? PLEASE.
MR. SEAN, WOULD YOU BE AGREEABLE TO THAT? SO SPEAKING IN BROAD--.
YOU HAVE TO COME UP [COUGH] TO COME OVER TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE.
WELL, WE HAVE TWO MICS, MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST DO LAUREL AND HARDY.
[LAUGHTER] AND SPEAKING OF A-- IN THE BROADER TERMS, NOT JUST ME, NOT EVEN JUST MY IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS, BUT JUST COMING DOWN ZION ROAD FROM BASS PRO WHERE IT TEES IN.
YOU CAN SEE THE PARK ALL THE WAY DOWN.
YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE BOAT RAMP TOO THAT'S OVER HALF A MILE AWAY.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT SCENARIO FROM MY LOCATION IF I WAS ONLY INTERESTED IN MY LOCATION. THE DOWNSIDE IS ONCE YOU GET PAST, MY LOCATION AND THE STREET ITSELF TURNS AND CURVES. MORE OF THE PARK WOULD BE SEEN NOW AS FAR AS YOU--.
YES, SIR. PEOPLE COME, THERE'S NO REASON TO GO THERE UNLESS THEY LOOK AT THE LAKE.
THAT'S TRUE. RIGHT. I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON THE LAKE AND NOT AT THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE. YOU SAID IT YOURSELF, FOCUS ON THE LAKE.
THAT, TO ME, IS THE [INAUDIBLE].
THAT'S THE DRAW. THE BRIDGE LIT UP AT NIGHT, NOT LOOKING AND OVER THE MINUTIA OF WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT TREES OR WHAT SPECIES, ARE THE SPECIES NATIVE? OR ARE THEY GOING TO GROW FAST OR NOT? LET'S FOCUS ON THE LAKE, MAKING THE LAKE-- AND CITY OBVIOUSLY HAS A LOT OF MONEY INVESTED IN OUR MASTER TRAIL PLAN.
YOU'VE SPOKEN WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT YOURSELF SAYING IT'S COMING THROUGH THERE IN THE FUTURE, SO LET'S FOCUS ON THAT PART OF IT.
LET MR. TURNER OPERATE THE RV PARK AS HE WISHES WHILE HE'S MADE ALL OF THESE OTHER CONCESSIONS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE BOTH ARE AGREEABLE ON THAT SITE, NUMBER, THAT'S CLOSE TO YOUR HOUSE WHERE YOU PUT THE CABIN [INAUDIBLE] FOR A CABIN PLACE, THEN I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD ALL AGREE WITH AND LIVE WITH.
SO JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, YOU'RE SAYING A SINGLE CABIN IN THAT SPACE IN THE FIRST FIVE SPACES IN THE REMAINING SPACES WOULD BE RV--.
ON THE FIRST FIVE IN SPACE NUMBER AND ALONG THE FRONTAGE THERE.
THAT WOULD BE A MANDATORY CABIN SPACE.
AND THE REMAINING FOUR SPACES IN THE FRONT? WOULD THAT BE AN SUP OF FOUR YEARS STARTING IN JANUARY 2023? OR WOULD IT BE ALL CABINS? ALL CABINS OR ALL RVS, AS MR. TURNER WANTS TO, [INAUDIBLE] WISHES TO OPERATE HIS PROPERTY.
I SEE, SO IT WOULD BE A FREEDOM OF CHOICE OF MR. TURNER TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS--.
LIKE HE CAN DO IN THE REST OF IT.
I MEAN, HE CAN PUT A CABIN, I IMAGINE WITH CURRENT ZONING CAN PUT A CABIN ON THE PHASE ONE IF HE WISHES. THAT'S-- IT SEEMS LIKE HOWEVER HE WISHES TO OPERATE HIS PROPERTY, HE COULD DO [INAUDIBLE]. WHICH CABIN DO YOU THINK? WHICH CABINS WOULD YOU PUT THERE? WOULD IT BE THE 14 FOOT EIGHT OR WOULD IT BE THE 19 FOOT ONE CABIN? WHICH ONE WOULD YOU WANT ME TO PUT, SIR? [LAUGHTER] NOW YOU'RE TALKING LIKE ME.
I'M SURE THAT I'D BE AGREEABLE TO EITHER ONE.
THE CABINS WITH THE LOFTS ARE TALLER, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE BETTER SOLUTION.
THE RED CEDARS YOU SAY YOU DON'T LIKE.
IF HE WAS TO PUT THAT THERE, IT WOULD BLOCK.
BUT THEY'RE ONLY GROW, MAYBE 25 FEET TALL AT MAXIMUM HEIGHT.
THE CAVEAT THERE, SIR, IS IT TAKES SO MUCH LONGER THREE TIMES AS LONG.
RIGHT ONE'S NON-NATIVE AND ONE'S NATIVE.
WE CAN GET INTO ALL THE MINUTIA--.
I KNOW THAT. THE TREES AND ALL THAT.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE AT, YOU KNOW, IF HE WANTS TO PUT, IF YOU WISH A SMALL CABIN THERE AT NUMBER FIVE, THEN THAT WOULD BE.
JUST SO A LONE. WELL, THAT WOULD-- YOU'RE RIGHT, IT WOULD BE UP TO MR. TURNER, A LONE CABIN THERE VERSUS-- ALL BY ITSELF, AND THEN THE OTHER FOUR SPACES WOULD BE RVS. YEAH, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY UP TO HIM IF THAT WAS THE WAY THE COUNCIL WANTED TO GO. RIGHT? DESIGN WISE, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.
THAT'S NOT REALLY THE POINT THAT YOU'RE ASKING, I THINK.
WOULD THAT BE GOOD ENOUGH TO SATISFY PERHAPS NOT JUST MYSELF, BUT THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ACTUALLY LIVES THERE? LET'S REMEMBER THAT THE FOCUS POINT IS THE LAKE ITSELF.
THAT'S THE AMENITY HERE THAT'S MAKING ALL OF THIS POSSIBLE.
NOW, I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO SAY [INAUDIBLE] TO SAY COUNCILMAN, I REALLY-- I HAVE NO DOG IN THAT FIGHT BECAUSE I CAN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THE IDEA OF HAVING A SINGLE CABIN WITH RVS NEXT TO IT. TO ME, THAT'S--.
YES, BUT IT'S VERY HARD TO SEE THAT FROM ANY LOCATION OTHER THAN THE FAR SIDE OF THE STREET CLOSEST TO JOHN PAUL JONES PARK AND OF COURSE, FROM JOHN PAUL JONES PARK YOU CAN SEE IT ALL IN THAT REGARD.
I CAN'T REALLY HELP THEM LAKE. I SAID PREVIOUSLY, THAT'S I WOULD HOPE SO. IF I CAN JUST KEEP THEM FROM ALL SMOKING DOPE IN THE PARKING LOT, THAT WOULD BE A LOT BETTER.
BUT I'M NOT A COP LIKE MY DAD, SO.
ALL RIGHT. ON THAT NOTE, YEAH, SORRY.
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THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME.MAYOR PRO TEM, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? NO, SIR, I DO NOT ON THAT NOTE.
ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE HAVE WORKED THROUGH AT LEAST SEVEN DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AT THIS POINT AND AT THIS TIME COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE.
I HOPE YOU'VE BEEN MAKING NOTES AS WELL.
[LAUGHTER] AND THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
OR DO WE JUST GO FROM HERE? WE CAN OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
OK. YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION THIS MINUTE.
BECAUSE I'M AT THAT POINT THAT I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE EXHAUSTED THE DISCUSSION ON THIS.
[LAUGHTER] YOU'RE BEING VERY KIND.
RIGHT? [LAUGHTER] SO, I WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS SO THAT WE CAN GET TO THE NITTY-GRITTY OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THIS.
GO AHEAD. MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSED THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
OH, I DON'T? OK. WE DON'T NEED TO DO BASED ON ALL THAT I'VE HEARD, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST GOING, I JUST TRY TO KEEP IT VERY SIMPLE. IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE'RE AT THAT POINT.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ALREADY APPROVED, AND AS AGAIN, THEY WENT THROUGH A VERY EXHAUSTIVE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
I THINK IT'S SIX THROUGH 18 MIXED CABINS AND RV'S.
ONE THROUGH FIVE IS OUR REAL QUESTION HERE UNTIL, AND THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR DYLAN HENDRICKS. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.
INITIALLY, I REALLY DID FEEL THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BE A COMBINATION ALSO, BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO COME WITH RVS OR AT YOUR DISCRETION.
AND I DO BELIEVE IF YOU-- AT THIS POINT, I'M LOOKING AT TWO VERY DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMAN, VERY AUTHENTIC IN WHAT THEY BELIEVE AND YOUR PERSPECTIVE ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
AND SO AGAIN, AS I'VE STATED TO YOU, I'M GOING TO BE LISTENING TO MY CITIZEN.
I'M GOING TO LISTEN TO THE HOMEOWNERS NOW.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU AS A BUSINESS OWNER AND THE PROPERTY AND THE MONEY THAT YOU PUT INTO IT, YOU HAVE MANY RIGHTS, YOU'RE BRINGING SO MUCH TO THE CITY.
AND SO FOR ME, AT THIS POINT, I LIKE WHAT DEPUTY MAYOR HENDRICKS IS PROPOSED THE NUMBER FIVE SPOT. LET'S PUT A CABIN THERE AND THEN GIVE YOU THE ABILITY OVER A PERIOD OF TIME AND YOU'VE ALREADY STATED THAT YOU WILL INDEED, THAT'LL BE THE FIRST THING BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING ELSE. PUT IT THERE, THE REST OF THE SPOTS, THEN AS NEED, BECAUSE YOU MAY EVEN COME TO FIND THAT YOU NEED MORE CABINS THERE.
BUT ONE THING IS FOR CERTAIN YOU DON'T WANT TO-- I DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY THAT LAKESIDE VIEW. THAT'S THE REASON EVERYBODY ALONG THAT [INAUDIBLE] WAY LIVE THERE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT LAKESIDE VIEW. AND I AGREE THAT, THAT SHOULD BE THE FOCUS.
SO I AM READY TO PUT FORTH A MOTION, BUT I THINK THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO DISCUSS THIS VERY FINAL PERIMETER, WHICH IS WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH NUMBER ONE THROUGH FIVE? AND FOR ME, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF GOING AHEAD WITH THE CABIN THERE, OR I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF A MIX RV AS WELL AS CABINS.
SO WE'RE NOT MAKING THEM-- SO JUST TO CLARIFY SPACE FIVE CABIN ONLY.
BECAUSE WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE--.
OK. AND THAT SORT OF SETS THE OTHER PIECES INTO PLAY.
ALL RIGHT. JUST WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK.
COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN? THANK YOU, MAYOR. I GREATLY APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD TONIGHT AND THE INPUT FROM EVERYBODY, INCLUDING ALL THE GREAT QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL AND IN KIND OF THE MAKING OF THE SAUSAGE SOMETIMES TAKES A LITTLE LONGER AND A LITTLE MORE UNPLEASANT THAN WE'D LIKE. I'M GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME-- I UNDERSTAND WHERE DEPUTY MAYOR.
MAYOR PRO TEM HEDRICK IS COMING FROM.
I HAVE A HARD TIME SUPPORTING WITH THAT.
I REALLY KIND OF FALL ALONG WITH WHERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WENT, WHICH IS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CABINS ON THAT FRONT ROW BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, I'D RATHER SEE ONE TO FIVE SAY THAT'S CABINS.
YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE CABINS ON ANY OTHER PART OF IT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND RENEW ANYTHING OR WORRY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING A DISCUSSION IN FIVE YEARS FROM NOW ABOUT HOW MANY OF THESE OUGHT TO BE CABINS, HOW MANY OUGHT TO STILL BE RVS.
THAT'S WHERE I KIND OF FALL ON IT.
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I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE SWEET SPOT OF IT IS.I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO HAVE-- IT'S EVEN HARDER WHEN YOU HAVE TO [INAUDIBLE] WHEN I'M USED TO COUNTING THE FIVE AND WHEN YOU HAVE TO COUNT TO SEVEN INSTEAD, THAT'S FOR ME SUBSTANTIALLY MORE DIFFICULT.
AFTER FIVE, IT JUST BECOMES A BUNCH.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHERE I KIND OF I FEEL LIKE THE SWEET SPOT IS ON IT NOW.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, WITH THE AGREEMENT ON THE ON THE HOLLIES OR ANY KIND OF FAST GROWING TREE THAT'S GOING TO GIVE THAT KIND OF COVERAGE, I KNOW IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE ALWAYS GET INTO AND CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO GET INTO, YOU KNOW, PICKING THE COLORS OF THE BUILDINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT I KNOW WE DO SOMETIMES GET INVOLVED IN THE LANDSCAPING AND TRYING TO MAKE THAT-- GIVE THE RIGHT KIND OF SCREENING.
SO THAT'S WHERE I FALL ON IT, AND I THINK I'D HAVE A PRETTY HARD TIME SUPPORTING A MIX ON THE ONE TO FIVE.
THANKS, SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB OF ADDRESSING THE BUFFERING ISSUE THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT.
REALLY GOOD TO SEE YOU GUYS WORKING TOGETHER ON THIS.
I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THE UNIFORMITY IN ONE THROUGH FIVE.
I THINK IT WOULD JUST GIVE KIND OF A WEIRD PRESENTATION IF WE DID A MIX THERE.
SO I WOULD PREFER TO SEE ONE, THROUGH FIVE AS CABINS AND AS COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN SAID, LET'S BE DONE WITH THIS.
YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HAD TO COME SEE US ENOUGH.
BUT WITH THAT SAID, WHICHEVER DIRECTION THE COUNCIL OPTS TO GO TONIGHT, I'LL SUPPORT THE COUNCIL DECISION IN TWO WEEKS WHEN WE FINALIZE THE ORDINANCE.
SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
COUNCIL MEMBER BASS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE HAVING A CABIN IN FIVE.
SO THE VIEW FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT AN RV.
ASIDE FROM THAT ONE THROUGH FOUR, I DON'T SEE WHERE THERE'S ANY BENEFIT OF HAVING THAT VIEW. I GUESS FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, IT DOESN'T EVEN CREATE A CONSISTENCY OF VIEW BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE. DON'T FORGET, WE'VE GOT PHASE ONE OVER THERE, WHICH HAS RVS ON IT.
SO I WOULD BE INCLINED TO LEAN TOWARD THE COMPROMISE OF SPACE FIVE BEING A CABIN AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU DO, WHATEVER YOU PLEASED WITH IT.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, SIR.
DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMS, I'M SORRY, MY BUTTON PUSHING FINGERS.
OK, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
WHERE I STAND ON THIS IS I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH.
I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME CONSISTENCY AND I THINK THE ONE THROUGH FIVE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD COME OUT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS.
AND IT SOUNDED LIKE FROM ALL THIS DISCUSSION, YOU HADN'T CHANGED YOUR POSITION OR THOUGHT FROM WHEN YOU FIRST STOOD THERE TONIGHT TO NOW THAT YOU WERE SO RECEPTIVE AND AMENABLE TO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME OUT OF PLANNING COMMISSION ONE THROUGH FIVE.
SO I, FOR UNIFORMITY AND CONSISTENCY AND MR. DAVIS INDICATED THAT VIEW FROM HIS HOUSE WAS NOT AN ISSUE.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S A FACTOR.
SO, I HAVEN'T SENSED A SHIFT IN WHERE YOU ARE.
AM I? AM I CORRECT ON THAT, MR. TURNER? WELL, I DO NOT MIND MAKING ONE THROUGH FIVE CABINS.
RIGHT. THAT'S--. I WOULD LIKE TO USE THE PROPERTY WHILE I'M ADDING THE CABINS TO IT.
THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, REFERENCE MY COMMENTS EARLIER.
AND THAT'S SORT OF UNIQUE TO ASK FOR RATHER THAN WHAT YOU HAVE NOW IN HAND.
BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE, TRUST ME, IT'S COMING KIND OF THING.
BUT GIVEN THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE AND GIVEN THE COMMUNICATION AND THE PARTNERSHIP WITH MR. DAVIS AND OTHERS, YOU ALL HAVE BROUGHT MUCH CLARITY TO THIS ISSUE.
AND SO I WOULD SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
I THINK PADS ONE THROUGH FIVE SHOULD BE CONSISTENT AND THE RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME OUT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
NOW LET ME ASK YOU ONE OTHER THING.
THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SUP.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS A NOVELTY IT'S A NEW THINGS AND WE DON'T KNOW WHERE-- NONE OF US KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.
BUT YOU SAID AT THE BEGINNING THAT YOU WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION.
IN FACT, THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR.
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IS THE SUP, CORRECT? WELL, I ABSOLUTELY WOULD PREFER IT.AS IN COUNCILMAN AUBIN SAID IT BEING DONE.
AND IF YOU ALL CHOOSE TO MAKE ONE THROUGH FIVE ONLY CABINS, THEN I WOULD ABSOLUTELY PREFER IT TO BE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND BE DONE.
AND THEN I CAN USE THE REST OF THEIR PROPERTY FOR A MIX OF CABINS AND RVS.
THAT WOULD BE IDEAL FOR ME, SIR.
YOU KNOW, I LIKE Y'ALL, BUT I'VE BEEN HERE A LOT.
[LAUGHTER] YOU KNOW, IT'S WE--.
[LAUGHTER] WELL, WE HAVE TO. I DON'T.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE IS A LIGHTNING BOLT FROM HEAVEN OR COMING RIGHT HERE TONIGHT, BUT TWO POSITIVE COMMENTS COMING ACROSS, YOU KNOW, MR. DAVIS. IT'S [INAUDIBLE] TIME.
YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY TOLD COUNCIL, I LIKE Y'ALL THAT'S--.
SO MR. TURNER HAS SCORED A POINT TOO MR. DAVIS. LET ME ASK A QUESTION MR. DAVIS CAN--.
MAYOR, MAY I ASK MR. DAVIS TO COME BACK UP? OK.
JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.
I'M GOOD WITH THE PLAN AS RECOMMENDED ONE TO FIVE CONSISTENCY FOR CABINS AND THE CABINS ARE COMING. ALL RIGHT.
YES, SIR. THE SUP PART OF IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN DOWN THE ROAD.
OK, WHAT'S YOUR OPINION ON THE ABILITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD? ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH NOT HAVING THAT, WHICH--.
I WOULD ACTUALLY ASK [INAUDIBLE] HEDRICK THIS QUESTION TOO.
IF YOU'RE IN DESIGN, LIKE I'M IN DESIGN AND CIVIL ENGINEERING ESPECIALLY, YOU'RE PROBABLY JUST AS WELL AWARE AS I AM THAT THE PRICING IS CYCLICAL FOR ANYTHING.
PIPES, WIRES, COTTAGES, CARS, GAS, IT'S ALL CYCLICAL.
IT COULD BE A BARGAIN BASEMENT IN FIVE YEARS, OR IT COULD BE THROUGH THE ROOF, AND THIS WOULD BE A MOOT POINT TO TRY TO WAIT FOR THE SUP FOR FOUR YEARS.
I'M ALMOST INCLINED TO THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO-- THIS PARTICULAR SETTING IS REALLY QUITE FORMAL. I'D BE FAR MORE INCLINED TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT LESS FORMAL WHEN IT COMES TO THESE CABINS AND THEIR COST.
IF THE COST OF THE CABINS GOES DOWN.
GREAT. BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF MR. TURNER'S COSTS ARE UNFORTUNATELY MUCH, MUCH HIGHER THAN THEY ARE RIGHT NOW? LET ME DROP THAT'S NOT--. WELL I UNDERSTAND, SIR.
BUT LET'S BRING THIS BACK TO OUR DELIBERATION.
OK, THAT'S NOT WITHIN OUR [INAUDIBLE].
WE'RE--. I'M SORRY, GENTLEMEN.
NO, NO. WHAT I WAS ASKING YOU IS AND IN FACT, THAT'S WHAT THE SUP DOES.
YES, SIR. IT SAYS IN FIVE YEARS, YOU KNOW, CAN COME BACK AND THEN YOU OR OTHERS SHOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO COME BACK AND LOOK AT IT.
AND MY QUESTION TO YOU IS ABSENT THE SUP AND WE JUST REMOVE THAT PROVISION PERIOD.
LET'S--. WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE WITH IT? THAT'S MY QUESTION TO YOU.
YES. IF CABINS IN SPACES ONE THROUGH FIVE.
UH-HUH. WHAT ARE THE NORMAL? I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT PERSONALLY.
SO YOU WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITHOUT THE SUP IF THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED? I BELIEVE SO. YES, SIR.
OK. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S MY QUESTION.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. AND THIS WILL BE QUICK.
MR.--. [LAUGHTER] I'VE HEARD THAT BEFORE.
YES. WELL, OF COURSE, HE SAID, HE LIKES US, SO I'M THINKING MAYBE WE SHOULD DO DO A SERIES OF 12 MONTH SUPS.
NO. [LAUGHTER] OK, THAT WAS NOT MY QUICK QUESTION.
MR. TURNER, IF I HEARD YOU RIGHT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF BUILDING ONE CABIN IN SPACE FIVE, YOU SAID YOU WERE PRETTY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE NOT-- I KNOW IN YOUR EYES YOU MIGHT THINK THEY ALL FIT BETTER ON A FRONTAGE, BUT IN TURN, THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST FIT FOR THEM IN LOOKING AT THE BUSINESS LEVEL. AND SO I DO NOT HAVE ALL MY CABINS ON MY LAKE, ON THE FRONTAGE.
AND SO IN TURN, THAT'S NOT THE BEST FIT FOR THEM.
WELL, MY QUESTION WAS YOU SAID THAT YOU WOULD BE FINE TO AGREE TO DO THAT AND TO PUT NOTHING ON ANY OF THE OTHER SPACES UNTIL THAT CABIN WAS BUILT.
IF I HEARD YOU RIGHT, YOU SAID YOU WOULD DO THAT CABIN FIRST--? ON THOSE FIVE SPACES.
ON THE FIVE SPACES. I WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE ON THOSE FIVE SPACES UNTIL THE NUMBER FIVE
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WAS BUILT AND PUT IN PLACE.OK, SO THAT BEING THE CASE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS TIME SPAN BETWEEN NOW AND AN SUP FOR FOUR YEARS AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION SET OR FIVE YEARS AS YOU'RE ASKING AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU CAN'T EVEN GET THE BASICS OF A CABIN FOR AT LEAST THREE YEARS.
THE--. TWO AND A HALF TO THREE, YES.
OK. AND THAT WOULD BE AND THEN THE BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTING OR SETTING IN PLACE? YES, MA'AM. OK. SO IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH SAYING THAT YOU WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WAITING AND HAVING A CABIN THERE, DOING NOTHING WITH THE OTHERS UNTIL YOU GOT A CABIN IN PLACE. I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFICULTY SEEING WHY IT WOULD BE A GREAT HARDSHIP FOR US TO SAY MIXED, WHATEVER YOUR CHOICE, RV OR CABINS THROUGHOUT ALL THE REST OF PHASE TWO. BUT THOSE FIVE FACING RIGHT THERE AT THE FRONT ONE THROUGH FIVE THAT WE WOULD SAY THOSE ARE FOR CABINS AND UNTIL THERE'S A CABIN THERE THEY STAY VACANT.
I'M HAVING A HARD TIME MAKING IT--.
SEEING WHY THAT WOULD BE A HARDSHIP IF YOU'RE WILLING TO SAY I'LL DO NOTHING IN THE OTHER SPACES UNTIL I BUILD A CABIN THERE, WHICH COULD BE THREE YEARS FROM NOW.
SO I AM ALSO LEANING TOWARD THE UNIFORMITY OF THOSE FIVE SPACES SINCE THEY'RE FRONTAGE.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I OFTEN STAY IN CABINS LONG AGO BACK WHEN I USED TO BE ABLE TO GO ON VACATIONS.
[LAUGHTER] THE REASON I SAY THAT WE NEED TO BRING THIS BACK.
OK. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT ANSWER TO MY QUESTION, SO YOU WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AND WAS SAYING--? GIVES ME THE FLEXIBILITY WITH THOSE SPACES.
AND IN TURN, THAT'S IMPORTANT IN MY BUSINESS IS TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY.
OK. THAT'S WHY I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, BECAUSE IT GIVES ME THE FLEXIBILITY WITH THOSE OTHER SPACES.
OK, BUT THE TIMING ON THAT YOU WERE COMFORTABLE WITH SAYING THREE YEARS OUT, YOU'D BE LEAVING THEM ALL WITH A CABIN AND I'D MAKE IT WORK.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO. I WOULD FIND SOME WAY TO--.
OK. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO BRING THIS TO A CONCLUSION.
I AM IN FAVOR OF THE PLAN THAT IS ONE THROUGH FIVE CABINS ONLY, NO CABINS ON THE REMAINING SPACES, NO SUP, AND OBVIOUSLY, THE LANDSCAPE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED.
AND THE KEY FACTOR FOR ME HERE IS, I THINK THAT IS THE COMPROMISE THAT IS AVAILABLE.
IT'S NOT PERFECT FOR EVERYONE, AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, BUT ALSO I DON'T WANT THIS PROPERTY ON OUR AGENDA AGAIN.
[LAUGHTER] I HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS PROPERTY COUNTLESS TIMES OVER THE YEARS AS A COUNCIL MEMBER AND NOW AS MAYOR.
AND HONESTLY, I DON'T WANT US TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS PROPERTY AGAIN.
YOU NEED TO GO ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS AND RUN YOUR BUSINESS.
MR. DAVIS NEEDS TO GO ABOUT BEING A HAPPY NEIGHBOR AND ENJOY THE PROPERTY HE HAS, AND WE NEED TO MOVE ON TO OTHER PROPERTIES AND OTHER CONCERNS.
SO COUNCILMAN, THAT IS WHAT I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT.
I'LL BE REALLY HONEST JUST TO CONCLUDE MY COMMENTS.
THANKS TO MR. DAVIS, I AM WILLING TO APPROVE, BUT VERY SPECIFIC.
ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE BRING US HOME.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I HAVE KEPT A TALLY OF WHAT I'VE HEARD.
[LAUGHTER] AND THE ONE-- AND BECAUSE THIS IS A SIMPLE MAJORITY, CORRECT? WELL, IT CAN PASS AS A SIMPLE MAJORITY TONIGHT.
BUT WHEN THE ORDINANCE COMES BACK ON OUR NEXT OR WHAT NEXT MEETING WHATEVER, IT WILL HAVE TO BE A SUPERMAJORITY.
WHAT I HEARD SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN EVERYTHING WAS A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PLAN, AS WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN THAT MIXED USE OF ALL THE PROPERTIES, EXCEPT FOR ONE THROUGH FIVE, WHICH WOULD BE CABINS WITH NO SUP. THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD.
SO YOU MEAN TO TELL ME WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS FOR THREE AND A HALF HOURS AND YOUR MOTION IS
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TWO SENTENCES. [LAUGHTER] THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT.AND THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE LANDSCAPING CHANGES.
ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
DO I PLEASE HAVE A SECOND? I HAVE A MOTION. EVERYBODY.
[LAUGHTER] COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE HAS A MOTION TO APPROVE AND I HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCIL LADY MORRIS.
THERE IS CABINS ONLY IN ONE THOUGH FIVE.
NO CABINS IN THE REMAINING SIX THROUGH 18.
NO SUP AND THE LANDSCAPING CHANGES.
ARE WE ALL IN AGREEMENT? ALL RIGHT, MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU COULD PLEASE PREPARE THE VOTE.
COUNCIL PLEASE VOTE AND DISPLAY THE VOTE, PLEASE.
[APPLAUSE]. THAT ITEM IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.
I HOPE THE NEXT TIME I SEE YOU, IT'S ACTUALLY AT THE RV.
[LAUGHTER] ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
THAT MOVES US ON TO-- THAT IS OUR LAST ZONING CASE.
WE ARE AT ITEM 11 CITIZEN COMMENTS.
[11. Citizen comments.]
MADAM SPEAKER, DO WE STILL HAVE AN ONLINE SPEAKER WAITING? WE WILL-- I WILL CHECK.BUT JOSHUA GRACIA WAS SCHEDULED TO SPEAK UNDER CITIZENS--.
YES. SO LET'S MAKE SURE HE'S STILL THERE.
CONFIRM. THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND COUNCIL.
YOU KNOW, I JUST NEED TO GIVE YOU SOME QUICK INSTRUCTIONS.
PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE.
COUNCIL-- WISHING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES NOT ON THE AGENDA MAY HAVE THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS COUNCIL AT THIS TIME.
COUNCIL IS PROHIBITED FROM DISCUSSING ANY ITEM NOT POSTED, ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT. AND IF YOU COULD GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
MY NAME IS JOSH GRACIA 4029 MAYFLOWER DRIVE GROUND, TEXAS 75043.
I WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT ON TUESDAY, JANUARY 18, 2022, I WAS AT THE CITY COUNCIL REGULAR SESSION MEETING AND MR. REX PRESENTED THE 2022 PROPOSED CIP AND IT GOT APPROVED AND IT MEANS IT STANDS FOR THE CAPITAL [INAUDIBLE]. AND I WAS REALLY PROUD OF HIM AND WHAT HE SAID IN FRONT OF THE AUDIENCE. HE SAID IT WAS THE FIVE HUNDRED AND TWENTY ONE MILLION DOLLARS THE CITY OF GARLAND LARGEST CAPITAL PLANT IN GARLAND'S HISTORY.
HE SAID THIS IS THE COMMENT THAT MR. BRADFORD MADE LAST YEAR AND MR. REX SAID THAT HE IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO KEEP THE TRADITION EVERY YEAR BECAUSE HE'S SAYING THAT.
I DO HAVE TO [INAUDIBLE] FUNDS TO MR. REX FOR SAYING ABOUT THE HISTORY LARGEST [INAUDIBLE] CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
I WILL PAY ALL THE FUNDS FOR [INAUDIBLE] LANCE LANDFILL DEPARTMENT [INAUDIBLE] OF THREE HUNDRED AND FORTY TWO THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY NINE AND FORTY CENTS.
SO ON BEHALF OF MYSELF, MR. JOSH GRACIA, A MEMBER OF THE CITIZENS FIREFIGHTERS CLUB OF GARLAND AND THE CITIZENS [INAUDIBLE] OF GARLAND ALUMNI ASSOCIATION.
I AM VERY PLEASED TO TELL YOU I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU AND MR.-- AND CONGRATULATIONS TO MR. BRADFORD OR YOUR 2022 CIP CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN PROGRAM.
I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM PROJECTS COMING IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AND OR WEEKS, AND I'M REALLY EXCITED, ESPECIALLY THE [INAUDIBLE]. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.
AND YOU KNOW, IT'S POSSIBLY [INAUDIBLE] IS THE AMAZING GUY TO SPEAK WITH, TOO.
JUST REMEMBER TO PAY ME IF I ANSWERED YOUR GREAT QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR 2022 CIP OF THE CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS.
I DO HAVE TO TELL YOU GUYS, JOSH, I NEED YOU TO SUM UP, PLEASE.
OH YES, SIR. I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT WHOEVER IS WATCHING IS ON THE AUDIENCE WHEN IT'S Y'ALL TO KNOW THAT THIS IS MR. BRADFORD'S 22ND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM OF HIS LIFETIME IN THE CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS. I CANNOT BE SO PROUD OF HIM.
THANKS SO MUCH. THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL THIS EVENING? MR. DAVIS, YOU'RE STILL HERE.
ALL RIGHT. HAVING NO ONE ELSE BEFORE US AND NO OTHER ITEMS AT 9:30, WE ARE ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.