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WELL, GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE FEBRUARY 14TH, 2022 WORK SESSION FOR THE GARLAND CITY COUNCIL AND IT IS VALENTINE'S TODAY.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A VERY ROMANTIC EVENING WITH THE COUNCIL THIS EVENING DISCUSSING CITY BUSINESS.

ALL RIGHT. BEFORE I DIG THAT HOLE ANY DEEPER, LET'S MOVE ON.

ITEM ONE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON WORK SESSION ITEMS.

[1. Public Comments on Work Session Items]

MADAM SECRETARY, I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER.

WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER, JOSHUA GARCIA, MS. POTTER, IF YOU WILL BRING HIM THROUGH.

I SHOULD SAY PERSONS WHO DESIRE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY ITEM IT MUST BE ON THE WORK SESSION AGENDA ALLOWED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND WE TAKE THOSE SPEAKERS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.

AND HE, MR. GARCIA, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I'M HERE.

ALL RIGHT. MY NAME IS JOSH GARCIA.

4029 MAYFLOWER DRIVE GARLAND, TEXAS 75043.

I AM SPEAKING ON AGENDA 4A, WHICH IS INTRODUCTION OF MRS. OWENS, YOU MET AND MANAGING DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. FIRST OFF, WELCOME MRS. OWENS. IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE, AN HONOR TO HAVE YOU HERE IN THE CITY OF GARLAND.

I HEAR YOU HAVE A LOT OF GREAT THINGS FROM YOU.

I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR LEADERSHIP.

YOU'VE BEEN A GREAT FIT HERE IN THE CITY OF GARLAND.

IT'S AN HONOR AND I THINK MR. BRADFORD WANTS YOU HERE TO WORK, AND IT'S BEEN AN HONOR.

SO LET ME TELL YOU FOUR THINGS ABOUT MR. BRADFORD NUMBER ONE GETS REAL TIRED OF YOUR RETIREMENT NUMBER TWO MR. BRADFORD WILL MAKE YOU LAUGH ANY TIME, ANY MORE WHEN IT COMES TO GO GARLAND DAY SPEECHES OR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.

NUMBER THREE, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT MR. BRADFORD CAN BE PROBABLY MY FUTURE GRANDFATHER AND NUMBER FOUR.

ALSO, NOBODY KNOWS, BUT HE ALSO HOLDS A BLACK BELT IN [INAUDIBLE].

I DON'T KNOW. MR. GARCIA, I'M GOING TO NEED YOU TO BRING YOUR COMMENTS BACK TO A WORK SESSION ITEM, NOT MR. BRADFORD. ALL RIGHT.

AND IT'S AN HONOR TO HAVE YOU HERE, AND I APPRECIATE YOU AND LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE YOUR INTRODUCTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS OUR ONLY SPEAKER FOR THE EVENING, SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM TO

[2. Consider the Consent Agenda]

CONSIDER THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THIS WILL BE FOR TOMORROW NIGHT.

I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REQUEST TO HAVE ANY ITEMS PULLED AND CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.

BUT IF THERE ARE. PLEASE LET US KNOW THAT WAY.

WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE STAFF HERE TO ADDRESS IT AND MOVING ON TO ITEM THREE WRITTEN

[3. Written Briefings]

BRIEFINGS. ITEM 3A MAY 7TH, 2022 GENERAL ELECTION ORDINANCE.

ITEM, EXCUSE ME, ITEM 3B JOINT ELECTION CONTRACTS WITH DALLAS AND COLLIN COUNTIES.

ITEM 3C GARLAND HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION DISBURSEMENT AGREEMENT.

ITEM 3D EMERGENCY SOLUTIONS, GRANT CARES ACT REDISTRICTING, REDISTRIBUTION OF FUNDING.

ITEM THREE NAME AND SCHOOL ROAD AND FIRST MILLER BOTTLENECK IMPROVEMENT, CONDEMNATION.

AND ITEM 3F SALE OF PROPERTY AT 328 OAKS TRAIL.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR VERBAL BRIEFINGS.

FIRST UP IS ITEM 4A INTRODUCTION OF CRYSTAL OWEN'S NEW MANAGING DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

[4A. Introduction of Crystal Owens - New Managing Director of Public Works ]

CRYSTAL, WOULD YOU TO COME FORWARD? WELL, I GUESS YOU'RE GOING TO GET TWO INTRODUCTIONS TONIGHT, MR. GARCIA KIND OF BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH, BUT, COUNCIL, I WANTED TO PERSONALLY INTRODUCE CRYSTAL OWENS, WHO HAS JOINED OUR TEAM HERE IN THE PAST MONTH.

CRYSTAL COMES FROM THE CITY OF DE SOTO, WHO IS DEEPLY MISSING HER AND DEEPLY RESENTFUL OF ME RIGHT NOW. SHE WAS THE MANAGING DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES THERE.

PREVIOUS TO THAT, SHE WAS A CITY ENGINEER.

SHE'S ALSO WORKED FOR THE CITY OF DUNCANVILLE, THE CITY OF ARLINGTON AND SEVERAL PRIVATE PRIVATE ENGINEERING COMPANIES.

SHE ALSO WAS IN THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE AND, UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN, WAS STATIONED IN KOREA FOR A WHILE.

GOOD THINGS COMING FROM KOREA.

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SHE ALSO GRADUATED FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS WITH A BACHELOR OF SCIENCE IN CIVIL ENGINEERING AND HAS COMPLETED HER MASTER'S FROM TEXAS.

NO, OK, WILL COMPLETE HER MASTERS AT THE END OF THIS YEAR FROM TEXAS TECH UNIVERSITY AND COUNCIL, WE ARE VERY PLEASED TO HAVE HER ON BOARD.

SHE IS GOING TO BE ASSUMING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENTS, WHICH INCLUDE A LOT OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT JOHN BAKER HANDLED BEFORE HIS RETIREMENT.

AND SO OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT OR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, OUR PROJECT MANAGEMENT OFFICE. AND WHAT AM I FORGETTING? STREETS, YES, ALL IMPORTANT STREETS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE YOU TO HER SO THAT YOU'LL KNOW WHO THIS IS.

THAT'S LURKING IN THE BACK OF THE COUNCIL CHAMBER.

YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM HER A LOT IN THE MONTHS TO COME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE A FEW WORDS WITH US? SO I AM AN ENGINEER, SO I DON'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, DO A WHOLE LOT OF TALKING.

BUT BUT I'M JUST REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE.

GARLAND HAS A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON, AND I'M JUST REALLY HAPPY TO BE A PART OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU AND TO JUST DETERMINING HOW I CAN SERVE THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF GARLAND.

THANK YOU. VERY GOOD.

WELL, WE HAD A CHANCE TO WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO TO TALK BRIEFLY AT A COUPLE OF EVENTS AND FRIDAY YOU MENTIONED THAT IT FEELS LIKE YOU'RE DRINKING FROM A FIRE HOSE.

A LITTLE BIT. WHICH I CAN IMAGINE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

YOU HAVE COME IN AT A VERY BUSY TIME IN THIS CITY, SO WELCOME AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 4B.

[4B. COVID-19 Briefing ]

COVID 19 BRIEFING.

JASON, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

WE'LL TRY TO RUN THROUGH THIS BRIEFLY, AND THE REPORT TONIGHT IS MOSTLY GOOD NEWS, AND THAT IS NOT THE BEGINNING.

THERE WE GO. THE REPORT TONIGHT IS MOSTLY GOOD NEWS AS THE TRENDS THAT YOU ALL THAT WE'VE REPORTED TO YOU ALL OVER THE PAST, SEVERAL MEETINGS HAVE CONTINUED.

THE CASES CONTINUE TO TREND DOWNWARD, AS WE CAN SEE ON SPECIFICALLY ON THE GRAPH HERE OVER THE PAST WEEK THROUGH LAST SATURDAY, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CONFIRMED CASES IS, AS YOU SEE, FIFTY NINE THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED FIFTY THREE ACTIVE CASES ARE GOING DOWN, WHICH MEANS THAT NEW CASES ARE GOING DOWN.

SPECIFICALLY THIS WEEK WE ADDED 733 CASES, WHICH IS STILL AN ELEVATED COUNT.

BUT WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT TO THE ALMOST 4500 CASES THAT WERE ADDED THE FIRST WEEK IN THE YEAR, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE NUMBER OF CASES ARE TRENDING DOWNWARD.

AS YOU'LL SEE HERE IN A FEW SLIDES, HOSPITALIZATIONS ARE DOWN.

THE ONLY NEGATIVE NEWS THAT THAT WE HAVE IN THIS REPORT IS THE NUMBER OF DEATHS, AND IF HISTORY WITH COVID 19 IS ANY INDICATOR, OF COURSE, THE AS CASES DROP, HOSPITALIZATIONS TYPICALLY LAG BEHIND A DROP IN CASES A FEW WEEKS, SO WE ARE SEEING A DECLINE IN HOSPITALIZATIONS. THEN FATALITIES TYPICALLY LAG BEHIND THE DROP IN HOSPITALIZATION, SO HOPEFULLY THAT TREND WILL CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD.

OVER THE PAST WEEK, WE DID ADD NINE DEATHS, SO WE'LL SAY THAT ALL NINE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS, NOT THAT IT NOT THE LESSEN THE LOSS OF LIFE, BUT ALL NINE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WERE HAD UNDERLYING CONDITIONS AND WERE UNVACCINATED.

AND I SAY THAT TO ILLUSTRATE THAT THAT VACCINES ARE STILL EFFECTIVE TO PREVENT SEVERE DISEASE AND DEATH THE SAME SIMILAR IMPACTS TO THE CITY STAFF.

AS OF LAST WEEK, WE HAD A TOTAL OF THIRTY FOUR STAFF MEMBERS THAT WERE EXCLUDED.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THIRTY FOUR POSITIVE TESTS FOR FOUR FOUR STAFF MEMBERS FOR HIGH RISK EXPOSURES. COMPARE THAT TO THE LAST REPORT TWO WEEKS AGO, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS ON THE 31ST JANUARY 31ST.

WE HAD 126 STAFF MEMBERS OUT, SO THAT NUMBER IS HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AS WELL FOLLOWING THE TREND IN THE COMMUNITY.

THE GRAPH SIMPLY ILLUSTRATES THAT, OF COURSE, THE THE GREEN LINE IS A COMBINATION OF HIGH RISK EXPOSURES AND POSITIVE EMPLOYEES EXCLUDED BECAUSE OF POSITIVE TESTS.

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IN TERMS OF VACCINES ADMINISTERED, THAT COUNT HAS DROPPED.

WE ARE DOWN TO 252 VACCINES ADMINISTERED LAST WEEK.

I THINK I ATTRIBUTE A LOT OF THAT TO, I GUESS, LESS NOTORIETY.

OF COURSE, THE OMICRON VARIANT IS PERHAPS NOT THE THE TOP OF THE NEWS STORY OR TOP OF THE NEWS CYCLE, BUT WHATEVER THE CASE, WE ARE SEEING FEWER VACCINES.

MOST OF THE VACCINES THAT WE'RE PROVIDING NOW ARE THOSE SECOND PEDIATRIC DOSES.

OF COURSE, KIDDOS THAT HAVE FAIRLY RECENTLY BECOME ELIGIBLE FOR VACCINES AND FOLLOWING UP ON THEIR SECOND DOSES AND THEN JUST GENERAL BOOSTER DOSES.

BUT WE CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO EXPAND VACCINES IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND OF COURSE, YOU ALL HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB IN THE PAST AND WE CONTINUE TO HAVE RESOURCES TO TO PROVIDE POP UP CLINICS.

IF YOU ARE AWARE OF A VENUE THAT WOULD LIKE THAT HOSPITALIZATIONS, MISTIE IS NOT HERE TONIGHT. SO THIS IS THE SLIDE THAT SHE TYPICALLY COVERS.

AND ESSENTIALLY, YOU SEE THERE THAT THE HOSPITALIZATIONS ARE TRENDING DOWNWARD, NOT QUITE TO THE DEGREE YET THAT THE CASES IN THE COMMUNITY ARE.

BUT AS I SAID EARLY ON, THOSE HOSPITALIZATIONS TYPICALLY LAG CASES BY A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THE THE NUMBER OF CASES IN THE COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO TREND DOWNWARD. WE WOULD EXPECT THIS HOSPITALIZATION TREND TO CONTINUE TO TREND DOWNWARD AS WELL. AND MAYOR THAT MIGHT BE A RECORD TIME FOR ME, BUT I THINK WE'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY VERY GOOD.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR JASON? DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMS? THANK YOU, MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, JASON.

HELLO, SIR. YOU LOOK KIND OF STRANGE FOR THAT MISTIE BEING, YOU KNOW, IT'S PART OF THE PITCH IS MISSING. SHE'S HERE IN SPIRIT.

OK. ALL RIGHT. GREAT JOB.

REGARDING TESTING, WHAT'S THE PICTURE, CURRENT PICTURE AND WHAT DO YOU HAVE PROGNOSIS OR TREND TOWARDS TESTING? OR ARE WE CLOSED OUR SITE? ARE YOU GETTING VERY MANY REQUESTS NOW FOR FOR TESTING? BUT HOW IS THAT COMPARED TO THE VACCINES? CAN YOU COMMENT ON THAT? WELL, SPEAKING FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE THE THE INQUIRIES THAT WE'RE RECEIVING ON TESTING HAVE ESSENTIALLY DRIED UP COMPLETELY.

OF COURSE, THE THE HOME TEST KITS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, HAVE BECOME VERY WIDELY AVAILABLE NOW THOSE WE ALL KNOW THE LIMITATIONS TO THE HOME TEST KITS.

THEY'RE A BENEFIT IN TERMS OF IMMEDIATE RESPONSE, BUT A LITTLE BIT LESS ACCURATE OR A LOT LESS ACCURATE THAN THE LAB TEST.

BUT FROM OUR STANDPOINT, FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WE ARE NOT SEEING NEAR THE DEMAND IN TESTING THAT WE WERE SEEING EVEN A MONTH AGO, CERTAINLY NOT NOT THE DEMAND THAT WE WERE SEEING IN DECEMBER.

THANKS, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

I HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE.

THANK YOU, JASON. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU ALL. ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON TO ITEM 4C REVIEW AND DELIBERATION OF 2022 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.

[4C. Review and Deliberation of 2022 Capital Improvement Program ]

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL, GET MY PRESENTATION UP, I WAS GOING TO BEGIN WITH THIS A BRIEF REVIEW OF THE TWO STAFF INITIATED CHANGES TO DATE AND THEN RECEIVE FINAL DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

TODAY, THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE TWENTY TWENTY TWO PROPOSED CIP, AS EXPLAINED IN DETAIL OF THE JANUARY 31ST WORK SESSION, IS TO INCREASE THE LANDFILL ENTRY, SAFETY AND EFFICIENCY EFFICIENCY IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT BY 150 THOUSAND IN 2022, AND TO SHIFT THE STREET DEPARTMENT FACILITY PROJECT FROM 2019 GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS TO CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION. BOTH OF THESE REQUESTS ARE WITHIN THE CITY'S DEBT CAPACITY.

THE OVERVIEW OF THESE PROPOSED CHANGES.

THE 2022 PROPOSED CIP EXPENDITURE IS PROPOSED TO INCREASE FROM 520,668,000 TO 520,836,000.

ADDITIONALLY, WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGES, OUR CITY DEBT ISSUANCE FOR TAX SUPPORTED PROJECTS WILL INCREASE BY A NET AMOUNT OF 851 THOUSAND FROM 99.1 MILLION TO, WITH ROUNDING, ONE HUNDRED MILLION ON THE DOT.

THE FINAL 2022 PROPOSED CIP WILL REQUIRE 218 MILLION FOR BOTH TAX AND REVENUE SUPPORTED

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PROGRAMS. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AND RECEIVE FINAL DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL. TOMORROW NIGHT, AT THE FEBRUARY 15TH REGULAR SESSION AT 7:00 P.M., THERE WILL BE A FINAL PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 2022 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.

AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT, THE COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE 2022 CIP.

VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ALISON THIS EVENING? NO? COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH? THANK YOU. NO QUESTIONS, BUT MAYOR AND SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I'VE ASKED PRIOR TO THIS I'VE INDICATED AN UNWILLINGNESS TO VOTE FOR PROJECTS THAT INCLUDE TRAFFIC CIRCLES.

I'LL INTRODUCE AN AMENDMENT TOMORROW NIGHT REGARDING THAT.

I KNOW IT WON'T GO ANYWHERE.

THAT'S OK, BUT I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE AN AMENDMENT VOTED DOWN THAN TO VOTE AGAINST THE ENTIRE CIP.

AND SO I'LL BE DOING THAT MORE AS A PROCEDURAL STEP.

I JUST DON'T WANT COUNCIL TO BE SURPRISED WHEN THAT COMES FORWARD.

OK, VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU, SIR. VERY GOOD.

AND I GUESS WITH THAT.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS THAT ANYBODY HAS IN THE WORKS? NO. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON TO ITEM 4D TUCKERVILLE PARK DEVELOPMENT UPDATE, MR.

[4D. Tuckerville Park Development Update]

HESSER ? ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO PROVIDE YOU AN UPDATE AT THE LATEST STATUS OF THE BOB DAY TENNIS CENTER LOCATED IN TUCKERVILLE PARK.

JUST A LITTLE QUICK BACKGROUND ON HOW WE GOT HERE.

THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF LOYAL STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE ALREADY LOCATED AT JACK COLEMAN TENNIS CENTER AND HAVE BEEN FOR MANY YEARS.

AND SO IN OUR DIALOG WITH THEM, THEY HAD EXPRESSED AN INTEREST FOR US TO GO AND LOOK AT VARIOUS PLACES THAT THEY REALLY LIKED ACROSS THE ENTIRE METROPLEX.

SO THEY MADE A LIST FOR US AND SOME THINGS FOR US TO GO LOOK AT.

SO WITH OUR TEAM AND OUR CONSULTANT, WE VISITED FOUR OR FIVE, MAYBE SIX DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND MET WITH THOSE OPERATORS, AND THEN OUR CONSULTANT GENERATED A REPORT FROM THAT FEEDBACK FROM THOSE OPERATORS AND THE USERS.

SO FROM THERE, THAT WAS KIND OF THE IMPETUS FOR THE DESIGN PHILOSOPHY GOING FORWARD ON HOW TO ATTACK THIS PROBLEM PROVIDING TENNIS FOR THE CITY OF GARLAND.

FROM THERE, WE ALSO MET WITH VARIOUS STAKEHOLDERS THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS AND IT HAS BEEN THE PARK BOARD LAST WEEK.

WE ALSO HAVE HAD A LOT OF GREAT DIALOG WITH THE USTA AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, AND SO THEY WILL DO A A AT NO CHARGE, A REVIEW OF THE TENNIS FACILITY TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS THEIR NEEDS IN THE LONG RUN AND PROVIDE SOME GREAT FEEDBACK.

AND THEY'VE DONE THAT. AND SO AS A MATTER OF FACT, THEY HAD A COUPLE OF ELEMENTS IN HERE THAT THEY REALLY LIKED AND ARE ENCOURAGING OTHER CITIES TO USE SOME OF OUR IDEAS.

SO I THINK WE'RE ALREADY ON THE RIGHT FOOT.

SO FROM THAT, WE'RE NOW AT A POINT HERE WHERE I CAN SHOW YOU PHASE ONE, THE SITE DESIGN.

I'LL GO THROUGH IT KIND OF BRIEFLY AS YOU COME IN OFF OF 66 AND GOING TO THE NORTH END OF THE FACILITY. YOU'VE GOT A DRIVEWAY AND THEN STARTING HERE THIS THIS IS ALL DESIGNED TO BE PHASE ONE AND ALL THE THINGS THAT GO WITH THAT PARKING ALL THOSE AMENITIES.

AND YOU RECALL, THE ORIGINAL DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL WAS WAS LET'S LOOK AT THIS SITE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND GET THE MASS GRADING DONE ALL AT ONE TIME ON THE FIRST PHASE, INCLUDING THE DETENTION, MAKING SURE THE UTILITIES ARE SIZED FOR FUTURE PHASE, WHICH WHICH HAS BEEN DONE. AND WHAT THAT THEN DOES IS ALLOW US TO BUILD THIS IN SMALLER CHUNKS GOING FORWARD WITH THE GROUND AND THE UTILITIES AND THE DRAINAGE ALREADY READY TO GO.

SO NUMBER FIVE, HERE YOU'LL SEE KIND OF A DROP OFF TURNAROUND CIRCLE AN AREA HERE THAT WILL GO INTO THIS PICNIC AREA YOU'VE GOT NUMBER SIX IS THE CLUBHOUSE AND THEN I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL THESE JUST YET, BUT YOU'LL SEE ABOUT IN THE PHASE ONE 12 TENNIS COURTS IN PHASE ONE AND THEN NUMBER 12 YOU'LL SEE IS A LOOP WALKING TRAIL THAT IS OUTSIDE THE FENCED IN AREA. SO ALL THE TENNIS COURTS, ALL THE PRO SHOP, ALL THE THINGS INTERNAL OF THAT OPERATION ARE FENCED IN FOR SECURITY PURPOSES.

BUT WE FELT THAT THE TRAIL LOOP WAS A GREAT AMENITY FOR THE TWO OR THREE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO IT AND CAN MAKE USE OF THAT AS WELL.

NUMBER FOUR IS A BIO DETENTION POND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE.

VERY BRIEFLY, THIS IS THE OVERALL SITE DESIGN, SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE ULTIMATE BUILDOUT

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IS, WHETHER IT'S TWO PHASES, MULTI PHASE, WHATEVER, SO YOU'LL SEE IN NUMBER 18, THAT'S THE EXPANSION OF THE PARKING THAT NOW SERVES THE ADDITIONAL 12 COURTS THAT WOULD BE ADDED TO GIVE YOU A TOTAL OF TWENTY FOUR.

ALSO LOOKING AT ADDING NUMBER 16 IS GOING TO BE AN AREA AGAIN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAYGROUNDS. MORE PICNIC AREA AND THEN 17 IS AN OFF STREET PARKING FOR THOSE THAT ARE COMING JUST TO VISIT THE PARK ITSELF OR THE PLAYGROUND.

BACK HERE IN THE BACK, NUMBER 12, THOSE ARE COURTS THREE SETS AND EACH OF THOSE ARE COVERED. AND SO THREE IS KIND OF THE MULTIPLE THAT WORKS BEST, AS WE DISCOVERED WHEN YOU'RE BREAKING COURTS UP FOR USE AND THE TYPES OF USE, ACCORDING TO ALL THE OPERATORS.

SO IF YOU HAVE A RAINOUT IN YOUR TOURNAMENT OR A LEAGUE, YOU WOULD HAVE THESE SIX COURTS THAT ARE COVERED AND CLIMATE CONTROLLED.

NOW THESE ARE SOFT SIDE, SOFT TOP.

IT'S NOT A GIANT FIRM STRUCTURE, BUT THAT WAY THE FEEDBACK WE HEARD IS IT'S GREAT TO HAVE SHADE OVER IT, BUT IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING WHEN IT RAINS IN SIDEWAYS AND GETS THE COURTS WET AND YOU'RE DONE.

SO THAT ALLOWS THEM TO STILL HAVE ANY LEAGUES OR TOURNAMENTS THAT ARE GOING ON.

IT ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE PRIVATE LESSONS, WHICH IS REALLY THEIR BREAD AND BUTTER.

AND SO WE'VE GOT COURTS OF THAT ARE SETS OF TWO, THREE AND FOUR IN EACH OF THOSE HAVE KIND OF THEIR OWN PURPOSE FOR WHY THAT IS.

THE SETS OF FOUR ARE GREAT FOR INSTRUCTION, WE HEARD, FOR THE YOUTH THAT WAY THEY'RE ALL RIGHT THERE TOGETHER. IF YOU'VE GOT A HIGH SCHOOL GROUP OR YOU'VE GOT PRIVATE LESSONS IN CAMPS, ALL OF THOSE ARE CLOSE TOGETHER.

THAT WAY, THE INSTRUCTOR CAN GO UP AND DOWN THOSE COURTS VERY EASILY AND CORRAL ALL THE KIDS. A LITTLE BIT SLOW.

SO THIS IS A CROSS-SECTION VIEW.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT AT THE TENNIS CENTER, IT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE ELEVATION YOU'RE LOOKING AT. NUMBER ONE IS ON THE LEFT IS THE WEST WORKING YOUR WAY TO THE RIGHT, WHICH IS GOING EAST.

NUMBER ONE IS THE DROP OFF.

NUMBER TWO IS THE PRO SHOP AREA.

NUMBER THREE IS THESE TIERED ARTIFICIAL TURF STAIR PLATFORMS THAT ARE THAT ARE GOING TO BE THE SPECTATOR AREAS FOR THE PREMIER COURT.

I'LL SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT BETTER PICTURE OF THAT IN A SECOND.

THEN YOU'RE GOING INTO GOING TO THE EAST.

YOU CAN SEE THE PROFILE FOR THE COURTS.

NOW, NUMBER SIX WOULD BE A FUTURE BUILDING, SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT IN THIS PHASE ONE THAT THAT PRO SHOP JUST TO BALANCE THE AFFORDABILITY OF THE PRO SHOP WITH GETTING 12 COURTS IN PHASE ONE, WHICH IS WHAT WE HEARD WAS KIND OF CRITICAL FROM THE TENNIS FOLKS.

THAT BUILDING IS SIZE RIGHT NOW, ONLY FOR THE FIRST 12 COURTS AND THOSE USERS.

THE SECOND PHASE, YOU WOULD HAVE A SECONDARY BUILDING THAT WOULD GO IN WHERE NUMBER SIX IS TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

THAT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL RESTROOMS, ADDITIONAL LOCKER ROOMS, ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR STORAGE, ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTOR SPACE, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO THAT ALLOWS US TO STRIKE A BALANCE BETWEEN PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO.

VERY BRIEFLY, THIS IS THE BIO SWALE OR THE BIO DETENTION.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER, THAT IS WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN A RAIN EVENT THAT WOULD THAT WOULD HOLD AND STORE THAT WATER AND METER IT OUT CORRECTLY SO AS NOT TO IMPACT ANY OF THE ADJACENT HOMES.

THERE'S A Y INLET RIGHT HERE, KIND OF IN THIS CLUMP OF TREES WHERE MY CURSOR IS.

AND THAT IS OUR LIMITING FACTOR FOR HOW QUICKLY THE WATER CAN GO OUT.

SO IN ORDER TO NOT FLOOD ANY ADJACENT HOMES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DETAIN THAT WATER.

SO DURING MOST OF THE DRY TIMES, YOU'LL SEE IT JUST AS A DRY SWALE.

DURING SMALL RAIN EVENTS, YOU'LL SEE IT MAYBE JUST AS KIND OF AN EPHEMERAL SHORT TERM CREEK. AND THEN DURING RAIN EVENTS, IT'LL SWELL UP INTO ITS INTO ITS DESIGN FOR 100 YEAR FLOOD. THIS IS THE CLUBHOUSE.

SO ON THIS VIEW, HERE YOU'RE LOOKING OR THE PRO SHOP.

RATHER, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BACK FROM THE PREMIER CHAMPIONSHIP COURTS AND SO THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TIERED STEP DOWNS WHERE PEOPLE COULD SIT ON THE SEATING WALL, THEY COULD BRING A CHAIR THAT WOULD BE ARTIFICIAL TURF.

SO IT'S AN ALL WEATHER SURFACE INSIDE THE PRO SHOP.

AND I REALIZE IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE TRICKY TO SEE.

AND IF I NEED TO BLOW IT UP, I CAN.

BUT AS YOU COME IN THE FRONT DOOR ON YOUR RIGHT HAND SIDE, WHERE MY CURSOR IS NOW IS GOING TO BE THE THAT YOU'RE WHOEVER MANAGES THE FACILITY WOULD BE THAT OFFICE STORAGE OVER HERE WOULD BE AN AREA THAT WOULD BE A FLEX SPACE TO WHERE YOUR REFEREES, YOUR INSTRUCTORS, ANYBODY THAT'S WORKING FOR THE OPERATION CAN COME IN HERE.

CHECK EMAILS, MAKE PHONE CALLS.

IF YOU'RE IN A TOURNAMENT THAT REFEREES CAN GET AWAY FROM THE CROWD A LITTLE BIT, GET INSIDE OUT OF THE HEAT AND EAT RIGHT.

HERE WOULD BE YOUR FRONT DESK AS YOU COME IN THIS AREA OVER HERE IN THIS CORNER WOULD BE KIND OF A A LOW SCALE PRO SHOP.

AND SO THAT IS A RACKET STRINGER RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE.

WHAT WE HEARD FROM ALL THESE OPERATORS IS THAT THEY GENERALLY DON'T SEE THE NEED OR SEE ANY BENEFIT FOR HAVING A FULL BLOWN PRO SHOP.

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PEOPLE ARE BUYING SHOES AND RACKETS AND THINGS FROM EITHER ONLINE OR FROM, YOU KNOW, CUSTOM, YOU KNOW, GEAR TYPE SUPPLY.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE NEED FOR SUNSCREEN, TENNIS BALLS, HATS, T-SHIRTS, THINGS THAT THEY WOULD FORGET THAT IN ORDER IF THEY'RE THERE TO PLAY TENNIS, THEY COULD BUY RIGHT THERE. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A LOUNGE AREA OVER HERE.

YOU'VE GOT SOME ADDITIONAL LOUNGE SPACE AGAINST THIS WALL IS AGAIN, LIGHT CONCESSIONS.

WE'RE TALKING PREPACKAGED DRINKS AND SNACKS.

VERY FEW OPERATORS ANYMORE DO HEAVY COOKING, HEAVY FOOD, THAT KIND OF THING.

IT'S JUST NOT A PROFITABLE VENTURE FOR THEM.

OVER ON THIS SIDE, YOU'VE GOT RESTROOMS, LOCKER SPACE, CHANGING ROOM AND SHOWER, AND THEN OVER HERE YOU'VE GOT STORAGE.

LOTS AND LOTS OF STORAGE IS LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO YOU'VE GOT A ROLL UP DOOR, YOU'VE GOT A PEOPLE DOOR TO COME AND GO AND GET, YOU KNOW, THE TENNIS BALL RACKS, THE BALL MACHINES.

THOSE ARE ALL VERY BULKY ITEMS. AND THEN OUT HERE IS THE PATIO THAT'S GOING TO BE COVERED SHADE FACING THE EAST.

THE NAME OF THE GAME WITH THIS DESIGN WAS OPEN, FLEXIBLE SPACE WITHOUT HAVING A BIG SPACE, WE DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE CHOPPED UP AND BE A DIFFICULT SPACE TO PROGRAM.

SO CLUBHOUSE ENTRANCE ON YOUR LEFT, THE REAR PATIO FACING THE COURTS ON YOUR RIGHT.

THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE INTERIOR KIND OF LOOKING AT THE CHECK IN DESK AND THE PRO SHOP AREA KIND OF IN THE CORNER.

THIS IS JUST A PAGE THAT KIND OF JUST GIVES THIS HASN'T BEEN TOTALLY SET IN STONE.

WE'RE STILL TAKING FEEDBACK ON PLANT MATERIAL, BUT YOU GET THE IDEA THAT'LL BE APPROPRIATE AND IDEALLY NATIVE PLANTINGS.

THE ONE THING YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IS PUT BIG TREES NEAR THE COURTS THAT NEED TO BE FAR ENOUGH AWAY WHERE YOU DON'T GET A LOT OF LEAVES AND THE MAINTENANCE ISSUE AND YOU DON'T WANT THINGS THAT PUT OUT BIG ACORNS OR OTHER BIG SEEDS.

SO THIS IS PROBABLY OUR FAVORITE FEATURE OF THE FACILITY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THIS IS THE PREMIER COURT LOOKING BACK AT THE CLUBHOUSE, JUST A REALLY FLEXIBLE, USABLE SPACE.

ANOTHER SHOT. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOOP TRAIL THAT GOES AROUND AND IT DOUBLES AS A COUPLE OF THINGS. IT'S A PROMENADE TO GET YOU TO YOUR COURTS.

IT ALSO HAS TO ACT AS A FIRE LANE, AND IT CAN ALSO GET FOOD TRUCKS TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IN THE EVENT OF TOURNAMENTS.

THIS RIGHT HAND PICTURE IS KIND OF THE DRY CREEK BED THAT STARTS THE BEGINNING OF THE BIO DETENTION AREA THAT'S YOUR DROP OFF, AND THERE'S JUST A BEAUTIFUL GROVE OF TREES RIGHT IN THERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO WORK WITH.

THIS IS A SHADE SECTION, KIND OF IN THE NORTH PART OF THE AND TO THE EAST.

THIS WILL BE OVER NEAR WHERE THE YOUR YOUTH PROGRAMING THE FORE COURT WOULD LIKELY TO BE.

AND IT'S JUST ANOTHER GREAT SHADE OPPORTUNITY.

WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HURT SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT ADDING SOME STORAGE SO THAT THE COACHES AND THE INSTRUCTORS DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THOSE BALL CARTS VERY FAR.

THEY'RE ALL RIGHT. THEY'RE KIND OF COMPARTMENTALIZED ON THAT EAST SIDE.

ANOTHER VIEW OF FOOD TRUCK AREA, PICNIC AREA.

AND IF I CAN ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I KNOW THAT WAS KIND OF QUICK AND IT'S A LOT TO COVER. BUT THIS IS WHERE WE STAND AS OF NOW.

BEFORE WE HAVE YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE SOME ASPECTS THAT THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF AND WERE ENCOURAGING OTHERS TO DO WHAT? WHAT WERE THOSE? MOSTLY THIS PICTURE THAT YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT HERE THAT TIERED LOOK AND JUST THE WAY WE POSITIONED EVERYTHING AROUND THAT, THAT CENTER COURT AND IN THE WAY THAT WE PUT THOSE PODS TOGETHER, THE TWOS, THE THREES AND THE FOURS THAT EACH HAD A RATIONALE FOR WHERE THEY WERE, WHY THEY WERE THERE IN PAIRS THE WAY THEY WERE JUST GAVE MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY. AND THEN THEY PROVIDED SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK THAT THAT THE CONSULTANTS ARE INCORPORATING. SO VERY GOOD.

WE GOT QUITE A FEW FOLKS CUEING UP HERE, MAYOR PRO TEM HEDRICK? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YOU SAID IT IN YOUR PRESENTATION ABOUT THE USE OF NATIVE PLANTS.

AND THAT'S ONE ITEM I RECEIVED FEEDBACK ON IS THAT ADVOCATE FOR USING NATIVE PLANTS, ESPECIALLY IN THE BIO SOIL AREA THERE, THAT IS GOING TO BE ROUGH AND NATIVE TYPE LANDSCAPING OPPORTUNITY THERE.

AND ALSO ASKED THAT MAKE SURE WINDSCREENS ARE PROVIDED.

I SAW SOME IN THE IN THE RENDERINGS THERE, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER ITEM THAT THE TENNIS PLAYERS THAT REACHED OUT TO ME WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS INCLUDED IN THIS AS WELL.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT LOOKS FANTASTIC.

ABSOLUTELY. AND I THINK YOU BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT.

I'LL ELABORATE VERY QUICKLY IS THAT SOME OF THOSE SMALL DETAILS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING IS NOW WHERE WE ARE. WE WANT TO GET THOSE LITTLE DETAILS THAT MAKE THE TENNIS EXPERIENCE JUST THAT MUCH BETTER.

SO NOT ONLY THE WIND SCREENS, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A PLACE TO SIT IN THE SHADE IN BETWEEN THE COURTS. THERE'S SOME SOCIALIZATION GOING ON THERE THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HANG OUT.

THEY WANT TO HAVE SOME SHADE.

DRINKING FOUNTAINS REALLY AREN'T A THING ANYMORE, BUT CERTAINLY CHILLED JUG FILLERS ARE.

SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT ICE MACHINES AND COLD JUG FILLERS THAT ARE THAT ARE

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AVAILABLE FOR FOLKS, FOR THAT KIND OF THING.

SO WE APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK.

THE SWALE ITSELF WILL LARGELY BE WE STRUCK A BALANCE BETWEEN IT BEING AN UNATTRACTIVE DITCH AND AN OVERLY LANDSCAPED ATTRACTIVE THE DAY YOU OPEN IT.

BUT AFTER THAT, IT JUST BECOMES A TRASH CATCHER.

AND SO YOU'LL HAVE MORE OR LESS A DRY CREEK BED THAT'LL BE KIND OF NATURAL STONE AND BOULDERS THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT BETTER ABILITY TO FLOW WITHOUT PLANT MATERIAL CATCHING IT. BUT MOST DEFINITELY, NATIVE PLANT SELECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY IS OUR NUMBER ONE GOAL. AND ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS THAT IN THIS PHASE ONE, IF IT'S ALL TENNIS COURTS, DID YOU CONSIDER INCLUDING ANY PICKLEBALL COURTS IN PHASE ONE? PICKLEBALL.

YES, WE ARE.

WE'RE VERY AWARE OF THE DEMAND AND HAVE SOME OPTIONS SO FAR.

SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THERE.

I THINK ONE OF THE BEST OPTIONS WE HEARD FROM THE TENNIS USER GROUPS IS WHAT BECOMES OF JACK COLEMAN ONCE THIS IS DONE.

AND SO THEIR SUGGESTION, AND HIS HASN'T BEEN COMPLETELY FLESHED OUT WITH WHAT THE PROS AND THE CONS ARE, BUT IT SEEMS FEASIBLE IS MAYBE THAT BECOMES THE DEDICATED PICKLEBALL AREA SO YOU CAN GENERALLY TAKE ONE TENNIS COURT AND THAT SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE WILL GIVE YOU FOUR PICKLEBALL COURTS, DEPENDING ON THE DIMENSIONS.

ULTIMATELY, SO YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF ROOM TO ACCOMMODATE PICKLEBALL IN THE FUTURE.

WE'VE ALSO GOT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME PICKLEBALL HAPPENING AT HOLFORD WHEN THAT'S REDESIGNED AND WE'RE ALSO EVALUATING WE'VE GOT ABOUT 12 TENNIS COURTS THAT ARE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. HALF ARE ASSOCIATED WITH MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND SOME ARE KIND OF IN PARKS.

THOSE MIGHT BE EVALUATED TO SPREAD AROUND TOWN TO.

PURPOSE OR DOUBLE STRIPE FOR BOTH OF THOSE, SO WE'VE GOT SOME OPPORTUNITIES.

THE DOWNSIDE OF HAVING DOUBLE STRIPING AT AT THE TENNIS CENTER IS THOSE USER GROUPS ARE DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE SKIERS AND SNOWBOARDERS A LITTLE BIT.

AND SO OVER STRIPING THOSE THAT ARE DEDICATED FOR TENNIS SOMETIMES CAN BE ANNOYING TO THE COMPETITIVE TENNIS PLAYER, PARTICULARLY IN TOURNAMENTS.

SO THAT'S WHY THE PICKLEBALL AT BOB DAY SHOWS UP IN PHASE TWO.

BUT AGAIN, WE'RE KEENLY AWARE OF ANY OPPORTUNITIES THAT PRESENT THEMSELVES FOR PICKLEBALL. WE'RE GOING TO STRONGLY EVALUATE IT.

THANK YOU. I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.

THIS DESIGN LOOKS WONDERFUL AND FULL SPEED AHEAD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU, SIR. COUNCIL LADY MORRIS? THANK YOU, MAYOR. DEPUTY, NO, MAYOR PRO TEM HEDRICK BROUGHT UP THE MAIN ISSUE.

I'VE GOTTEN AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF FEEDBACK ABOUT ABOUT PICKLEBALL, AND YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND AND ONE QUESTION DO WE HAVE ANY PICKLEBALL COURTS IN THE CITY OF GARLAND RIGHT NOW? THERE ARE AT HOLFORD REC CENTER THERE.

OUTSIDE THERE'S SOME TENNIS COURTS THAT WERE REPURPOSED WEREN'T BEING USED AS MUCH FOR THAT. SO WE STRIPE THOSE OURSELVES IN-HOUSE AND YOU CAN GO INSIDE THE REC CENTER AND CHECK OUT THE NETS.

THERE'S ALSO A COUPLE OF BASKETBALL COURTS THAT ARE HEAVILY USED, SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO TOUCH THOSE. BUT YES, TEMPORARILY, THAT'S WHERE OUR PICKLE BALL OFFERINGS ARE AT THE HOLFORD REC CENTER. AND HOW MANY PICKLEBALL COURTS ARE THERE? IT'S JUST TWO, MAYBE THREE.

I THINK THAT'S MAXIMUM THAT IT'LL HOLD RIGHT NOW.

OK. A NUMBER OF PEOPLE AREN'T AWARE THERE ARE ANY IN THE CITY OF GARLAND, AND SO THAT WAS A CONCERN. AND I DID GET A LOT OF THE SAME FEEDBACK THAT YOU DID FROM TENNIS PLAYERS SAYING IT'S VERY DISTRACTING TO HAVE DUAL, EVEN IF IT'S IN DIFFERENT COLORS, IT'S DISTRACTING TO HAVE A DUAL STRIPED COURT LIKE THAT.

SO I AM VERY HAPPY AND EXCITED ABOUT THIS.

I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY AND EXCITED TO HAVE US GET PICKLEBALL, MORE PICKLEBALL COURTS AVAILABLE THROUGHOUT THE CITY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

THIS IS SOMETHING I HAD ACTUALLY TALKED WITH YOUR PREDECESSOR THREE YEARS AGO.

I VOLUNTEERED THE CENTRAL PARK TENNIS COURTS TO BE DUAL STRIPED BECAUSE WE'RE NEAR THE SENIOR CENTER AND WE HAVE A LOT OF SENIORS WHO REALLY, REALLY WANT TO PLAY PICKLEBALL.

SO THAT OFFER'S STILL OPEN.

I KNOW THEY AREN'T GREAT COURTS AND THEY NEED TO BE REBUILT, BUT ANYWAY, WELL DONE ON THIS. IT'S A WONDERFUL PLAN.

THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, I'VE BEEN REACHING OUT TO THEM AND DISCUSSING IT WITH THEM. THE THE MAIN CONCERNS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM THEM, ODDLY ENOUGH, HAVE BEEN INCREASED TRAFFIC BECAUSE AND THAT'S SOMETHING I'M ALREADY TALKING TO TRANSPORTATION ABOUT.

THERE'S A LARGE HOA THAT ONLY HAS ONE WAY IN AND OUT, AND IT'S JUST EAST RIGHT THERE.

AND I THINK THAT THERE'S SOLUTIONS FOR THAT.

THEY WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE PLAYGROUND COME SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, AS WITH PICKLEBALL. SO IF WE HAVE MONEY SUDDENLY SHOWER DOWN FROM HEAVEN, THEN THAT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT VERY HAPPY WITH THIS.

VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT.

VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE AMOUNT OF LEGWORK AND RESEARCH THAT YOU GUYS DID.

AND I KNOW THAT THE TENNIS PLAYERS APPRECIATE THAT.

AND ALL OF US UP HERE APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING THAT DEPTH OF RESEARCH INTO THIS TO MAKE IT EXCELLENT. SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. APPRECIATE THAT.

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COUNCILMAN VERA? THANK YOU, MAYOR ANDY, WHEN TWO PLAYERS ARE PLAYING, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PUT THEIR EQUIPMENT LIKE IN A TOURNAMENT OR SOMETHING? DO THEY HAVE CHAIRS OR SOMETHING INSIDE OR IN THE COURT AREA ITSELF? SO IN BETWEEN, I DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF IT.

WE'RE NOT TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL YET, BUT IN BETWEEN THE COURTS, YOU'LL HAVE GENERALLY IT'S LIKE A PICNIC TABLE OR MAYBE A PAIR OF BACK TO BACK BENCHES AND THEN IT'S GOT A LITTLE SHADE COVER OVER IT.

SO THAT'S AN AREA WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO CONGREGATE.

WE WANT TO GIVE THEM SOME SHADE, GIVE THEM A PLACE TO PUT THEIR STUFF, A PLACE TO SIT DOWN IN BETWEEN MATCHES OR IN CHANGEOVER.

SO THAT'LL LIKELY BE, I THINK, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT.

YEAH, BECAUSE WHEN THEY LIKE I SAID, IT'S PLAYED, THEY CHANGE COURTS, YOU KNOW, AND THEY SIT DOWN TO WRITE, YOU KNOW, DRINK WATER OR WHATEVER.

YES, SIR. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.

YEAH, THOSE ARE THE KIND OF DETAILS THAT ARE GOING TO START TO COME TO FRUITION IN THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT PHASE.

THAT AND AGAIN, ANY FEEDBACK WE HEAR, WE WANT TO HAVE THOSE LITTLE DETAILS THERE BECAUSE I THINK IT STARTS TO MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE.

OK, BECAUSE I WAS I DIDN'T SEE IT, SO I WAS LOOKING FOR IT.

YES, SIR. OK, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, SIR.

COUNCIL MEMBER BASS? THANK YOU, MAYOR ANDY, I JUST WANTED TO SAY I DO APPRECIATE THE YOU GUYS TOOK SO MUCH FEEDBACK FROM THE TENNIS PLAYERS AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY TOOK THE TIME TO DESIGN THIS TO MAKE IT GROW AND EXPANDABLE.

THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME IS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD BUILD UPON VERY EASILY AND.

THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE IS, THOUGH, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MOVE IT BACK INTO DISTRICT ONE? THANK YOU, MAYOR. NICE TRY.

I'M STUMPED ON THAT ONE.

YEAH. AND IF I COULD.

WE DO HAVE A LOT OF APPRECIATION FOR ALL THE FEEDBACK FROM THE FOLKS, BOTH FROM THE COUNCIL AND ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS.

IT REALLY HAS MADE THE PROCESS ENJOYABLE AND I THINK A BETTER OUTCOME.

SO IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE, I THINK, A FANTASTIC FACILITY FOR THE CITY.

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

ANDY, YOU GOT THE RIGHT SCREEN UP.

THREE QUICK QUESTIONS ON THE MULTIPURPOSE AND LAWN AREAS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAYGROUND.

HOW THE WILL THE USERS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACCESS THOSE PLAYGROUNDS? I KNOW IT'S DOWN THE ROAD. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? IT'S A LITTLE TRICKY TO SEE.

MAYBE ON THE SCREEN.

SO WE WOULD HAVE ON THIS EXTERIOR TRAIL LOOP, YOU'LL SEE SOME CONNECTIONS.

THERE'S A SMALLER LOOP THAT CONNECTS TO THESE TWO ALLEYS OVER HERE.

AND ANOTHER CONNECTION OVER HERE BETWEEN WHERE YOU SEE NUMBER 17 WOULD BE THE OFF STREET PARKING. SO IT WOULD BE PRIMARILY PEDESTRIAN ACCESS IF THEY WANT TO WALK FROM THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. BASICALLY, WHERE THESE ALLEYS JUST TERMINATE ON THE CITY PROPERTY NOW THEY CAN CONNECT THAT WAY THROUGH SIDEWALKS, OR THEY CAN DRIVE AROUND AND PARK, OR THERE'LL BE A SMALL AMOUNT OF OFF STREET PARKING IF THEY DON'T WANT TO WALK RIGHT.

THERE WERE NO. 17 IS.

SO WE WILL MAKE SOME CONNECTIVITY TO THE TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

NOW WILL THERE BE ACCESS FOR OUR PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT WANT TO USE THOSE PLAYGROUNDS? HOW WILL THEY ACCESS IT? WOULD THEY HAVE TO PASS THROUGH THE MAIN? YES, SIR. HOW WOULD CAN YOU WALK THROUGH THAT? YOU BET. SO RIGHT HERE ON 66, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED TO, IT'S GOT A FUNNY TURN IN IT BECAUSE WE NEEDED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALIGNING, AND IT'S ALSO A DRIVEWAY THAT MICRO PAC UTILIZES AS THEIR DRIVEWAY OFF OF HERE.

SO THE ALIGNMENT WAS PREFERABLE THIS WAY.

SO YOU WOULD DRIVE IN THROUGH THE PARK FACILITY THIS WAY AND THEN YOU WOULD JUST COME IN AND WHATEVER PARKING IS AVAILABLE, WHETHER IT BE UP HERE OR DOWN HERE, DEPENDING ON HOW BUSY IT IS AND THEN YOU WOULD JUST GRAB THIS SIDEWALK AND WALK UP TO THE PLAYGROUND.

SO IT'S BE VERY SIMILAR TO OUR OTHER LARGER COMMUNITY SIZED PARKS.

YOU JUST GO TO THE, YOU KNOW, NEAREST PARKING SPOT AND THERE'LL BE AN ACCESSIBLE ROUTE TO THE PLAYGROUND. OK, OK.

AND OBSERVATION AREAS ARE SEATING FOR FOLKS WHO HAVE GOT A HOT TOURNAMENT GOING ON HOT COMPETITORS. WILL THERE BE ANY OBSERVATION AREAS IN THIS BUILDING? AND IF SO, CAN YOU? OR WHERE WOULD THOSE BE? I DIDN'T SEE. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING DESIGNATED AS QUOTE OBSERVATIONS.

RIGHT. SO RIGHT HERE, SEE WHERE NUMBER NINE IS RIGHT.

THAT'S AN AREA THAT IS THAT COVERED PAVILION.

THAT'S KIND OF THE SECONDARY PAVILION AREA THAT YOU COULD POST UP AND WATCH PEOPLE PLAY THERE. YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE ALL OF THAT, ALL THE SEATING LOOKING EAST AND THOSE COURTS ARE TURNED JUST SLIGHTLY.

THERE ARE ABOUT 13 DEGREES NORTHWEST.

TEMPORARY SEATING? SO THERE'LL BE BLEACHERS AND THEY'LL BE SHADED BLEACHERS IN A COVERED AREA THERE.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S, YOU KNOW, NOT LOOKING SQUARE INTO THE SUN.

SO THERE'S A FEW OTHER AREAS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THE IDEAL PLACEMENT FOR BLEACHERS, AND IT'S GOT A LITTLE BIT TO DO WITH THE GRADING, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WE WANT THEM ON THE WEST SIDE LOOKING EAST.

ALL RIGHT, AND AND AND LASTLY, YOU'RE RIGHT HERE, DON'T GO BACK.

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WHICH WAY AM I GOING HERE RIGHT THERE? YEAH. OKAY, RIGHT THERE.

AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO DIVULGE, YOU KNOW, ANY SECRETS, BUT FROM A SAFETY AND SECURITY STANDPOINT, WITH THOSE MEASURES TO BE HELD, WHERE IN THIS, WHAT HAS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED? I'M ASSUMING THAT IT HAS FOR THIS OVERALL PROJECT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE VISITORS, FOLKS IN SO THE THE SAFETY AND SECURITY ASPECTS OF THAT HAS THAT BEEN VETTED AND DISCUSSED WITH? YES, SIR. LOCAL TENNIS LEADERS AND THE ASSOCIATION? EXACTLY. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE TOOK SOME FEEDBACK AND WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT ON THIS DRAWING FLIP FLOP, A COUPLE OF COURTS FOR THAT VERY REASON.

THEY MADE SOME REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK ON THE OBSERVABILITY FROM THE BACK SIDE TO BE ABLE TO SEE PEOPLE. IF YOU'RE THERE AND THERE'S NOT A LARGE GROUP THERE, THERE'LL BE INTERIOR SECURITY LIGHTING THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY, NOT JUST THE COURT LIGHTING ITSELF.

SO THERE'LL BE STAIR LIGHTING, [INAUDIBLE] LIGHTING, PARKING LOT, LIGHTING, ALL OF THOSE THAT WILL WORK THEIR WAY THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS SAFE. BUT YES, ALL OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE ABSOLUTELY BEING HAD AND WILL CONTINUE.

ALL RIGHT. THANKS, SIR. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

VERY GOOD. COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I GUESS I'D LIKE TO START BY THANKING MAYOR DAY FOR BEING HERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY OR THE NAMESAKE OF THE FACILITY, SO I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE.

AND DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD OR UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OK. LET ME MAKE SURE WE GET YOUR NAME IN THERE.

JUST RIGHT. LOOKS GOOD.

EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. EVERYTHING ELSE LOOKS GREAT.

AND SO I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE HAPPY WITH IT.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT DESIGN, AND I'M GRATEFUL TO THE COUNCIL FOR APPROVING THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING, THE ARPA FUNDING THAT REALLY KIND OF MADE THIS POSSIBLE IN ADDITION TO THE THE ORIGINAL BOND FUNDING.

ANDY, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF FUNDING TO GET FROM AFTER? SO PHASE ONE, WE'VE GOT ALL THE FUNDING FOR THAT.

BUT WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF FUNDING AMOUNTS FOR PHASE TWO? AND I KNOW THAT'S A MOVING TARGET BASED ON WHEN THAT HAPPENS, BUT BASED ON WHERE WE ARE TODAY. I DON'T KNOW THAT I COULD ADEQUATELY ANSWER THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THE WE'D NEED TO LOOK AT IT THAT NUMBERS CHANGE SO OFTEN JUST IN THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE IN. AND NOW THAT WE'RE KIND OF IN A SPOT WHERE IT'S STOPPED MOVING ON US AND WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, WE CAN START LOOKING AT WHAT THOSE ADDITIONAL COURT PODS LOOK LIKE TO FINISH OUT THE BUILDOUT.

THERE'LL BE A POINT WHERE YOU COULD ADD SOME COURTS HERE AND THERE, AND THEN EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO, ALL RIGHT NOW I NEED MORE PARKING.

WHAT'S THAT? RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO ANALYZE WHAT'S THAT TRADE OFF SO THAT IN THE FUTURE WE KNOW THAT, OK, WE'VE ADDED X A NUMBER OF COURTS.

WE ALSO NEED TO ADD Y NUMBER OF RESTROOM SPACE AND PARKING.

OK, SO BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS PLANNED OUT, IT COULD BE KIND OF LIKE A PHASE TWO A, B, C D, TWO MORE COURTS AND THEN SOME PARKING AND THEN FOUR MORE COURTS AND THEN.

OK. EXACTLY.

SO IS IT MORE LIKE A TRUCKLOAD OF MONEY OR LIKE A BOATLOAD OF MONEY? OR IF WE HAD TO QUANTIFY A DEATH STAR LOAD OF MONEY? NOT THAT LARGE. IT'S A NICE BOAT LOAD, OK, BUT NOT TOO NICE.

PERFECT. 16 PICKLEBALL COURTS.

IS THERE A WAY TO TEMPORARILY STRIPE? AND WHAT I'M THINKING OUT HERE IS, I MEAN, 16 PICKLEBALL COURTS SEEMS FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL.

AND THEN YOU HAVE TWENTY FOUR COURTS.

AND I DO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A FRIEND WHO'S AN AVID TENNIS PLAYER WHO USED TO COMPLAIN QUITE SUBSTANTIALLY ABOUT THE PICKLEBALL PLAYERS UNTIL SHE HAD SURGERY ON HER RIGHT KNEE THE OTHER MONTH OR TWO.

HE'S IN HIS MOBILE AND IS NOW THINKING ABOUT PICKLEBALL.

BUT ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE.

IT JUST IS A DISCUSSION OF WHAT THE TRADE OFFS ARE AND KIND OF WHAT THE OPERATOR AT THE TIME. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE BUSINESS DOING? WHAT'S THE DEMAND? I THINK THE WAY IT STANDS NOW IS THAT RIGHT HERE WHERE YOU SEE NUMBER 13, THERE'S HOW MANY IS AT ZYAD, 16? YEAH. 16 PICKLEBALL COURTS FOR PHASE TWO SHOULD MONEY BE AVAILABLE IN FUTURE CIPS, FOR EXAMPLE, RATHER THAN A WHOLE PHASE TWO, THAT'D BE A NICE ADDITION TO DROP IN, YOU KNOW, APPROXIMATELY ANOTHER MILLION IN TODAY'S DOLLARS FOR, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE AS A FORE COURT THAT'S LIGHTED SO ROUGHLY 750 TO A MILLION GIVE OR TAKE WOULD BE A NICE FIRST ADDITION BEFORE YOU GO TO THE NEXT PHASE TWO, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION IS TO DROP THE PICKLEBALL IN.

IT WOULD ALSO BE IDEAL THAT ONCE THIS COMES ONLINE, SHOULD WE BE IN A POSITION TO RELATIVELY QUICK TIME IS MAKE JACK COLEMAN RESTRIPED FOR PICKLEBALL ENTIRELY THAT WAY THAT THERE'S VERY LITTLE THE CROSSOVER IS PRETTY CLOSE.

IF THAT'S THE WAY THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO GO AT THAT TIME.

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RESTRIPING IS NOT NOT CHEAP, SO WE'LL BE.

OK, SO THERE'S NOT REALLY A TEMPORARY STRIPING OPTION WHERE YOU COULD SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS WEEKEND, WE'RE GOING TO DO.

YOU COULD ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY COURT.

YOU COULD DO THAT TEMPORARY, YES, SIR.

OK, IF WE HAD IF WE HAD A TOURNAMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, A LOT OF TIMES TEMPORARILY NOW, THEY DON'T LAST VERY LONG. IT'S LITERALLY TAPE AND IT'LL MAKE IT THROUGH THE WEEKEND.

BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT. THAT'S JUST WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT.

I MEAN, WE LOOK AT THIS FACILITY, WHICH IS, I MEAN, IT'S A GREAT FACILITY.

IF YOU TAKE IF YOU TURN 24 TENNIS COURTS INTO 96 PICKLEBALL COURTS AND ADD ANOTHER 16, I WOULD IMAGINE YOU COULD HOLD A VERY SIGNIFICANT TOURNAMENT THERE.

I MEAN, WITH TWENTY FOUR WOULD BE ABLE TO HOLD A SIGNIFICANT TENNIS TOURNAMENT THERE.

SO THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE COULD DO THERE.

I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS FEASIBLE.

AND THEN AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE A FUTURE COUNCIL THAT I WILL, YOU KNOW, I'LL BE OFF BY THE TIME IT COMES TO DECIDE ABOUT PICKLEBALL AT RICK ODEN, ALTHOUGH I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO REVISIT THE SAME PROBLEM.

I MEAN, THE REASON WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS TODAY, ONE OF THE REASONS IS BECAUSE RICK ODEN WAS NOT THE BEST LOCATION TO HAVE COURTS BECAUSE OF THE FLOOD PLAIN AND THE COST OF REBUILDING THEM, THE COST OF FISHING THEM OUT OF THE CREEK AND EVERY OTHER THING MAKES ME A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT SAYING WE'LL DO PICKLEBALL SOMEDAY.

IS THE PLAN FOR NOW TO MAINTAIN AS MANY WITHOUT AFFECTING THE OTHER CONSTRUCTION PLANS, MAINTAIN WHAT'S GOING ON AT RECORD AND SO THAT WE HAVE A BALANCE OF COURTS BETWEEN THE TWO.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO AS THEY START TO PHASE TWO AT RICK ODEN, SOON THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE. THOSE TENNIS USERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PARK ON THE COMPLETED SIDE OF PHASE ONE AND WALK, BUT IT WILL BE OPEN.

WE'RE WORKING REALLY HARD WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO KEEP THAT OPERATION OPEN AND UNDISTURBED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND WELL, WHAT I'M THINKING OF IS, IS, YOU KNOW, FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. I MEAN, WE SHOW TWENTY FOUR COHORTS ON THE OVERALL SITE DESIGN THAT.

OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

BUT FOR A WHILE, IF IT'S JUST TWELVE, WE'RE STILL GOING TO TRY TO KEEP OPEN AS MANY COURTS AS WE CAN AT RICK ODEN.

WE CERTAINLY COULD, AGAIN, IT MAY JUST BE ONE OF THOSE COUNCIL DECISIONS AT THE TIME.

WE'LL SEE WHAT THE LANDSCAPE IS AND WHAT THE DEMAND IS AT THE TIME AND WHAT THE ISSUES ARE. WE COULD CERTAINLY BE AS FLEXIBLE AS POSSIBLE.

OK, AND I WOULD ADD TO THAT I'VE GOTTEN QUESTIONS FROM FROM NEIGHBORS AND FOLKS IN THE AREA WHO HAVE WHO HAVE REQUESTED THAT WE KEEP SOME LEVEL OF TENNIS COURTS AT RICK ODEN.

AND SO AS WE LOOK AT THAT IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE THAT WE CONSIDER THAT.

AND THEN BEYOND THAT, I JUST WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, GREAT JOB AND PARTICULARLY I WANT TO THANK THE TENNIS COMMUNITY ON THIS.

THIS WOULD NOT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN IDEA THAT DID NOT COME FROM ANYBODY SITTING UP HERE.

THIS WAS AN IDEA THE GENESIS OF WHICH CAME FROM THE TENNIS COMMUNITY FOLLOWING THE 2019 BOND ELECTION. THEY CAME TO US ABOUT EXPANDING AT RICK ODEN.

AND THEN REALLY, THE CREDIT GOES, ANDY, TO YOU AND TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR COMING UP WITH, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN'T DO IT AT RICK ODEN, WHERE COULD WE GO AND WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE? AND YOU GUYS DID A GREAT JOB WITH THAT.

AND SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE TENNIS COMMUNITY AND TO STAFF FOR REALLY PULLING THIS TOGETHER AND MAKING IT HAPPEN.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A REAL.

IT'S GOING TO BE A GEM FOR THE CITY.

AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, HELP ALSO DRIVE SOME, SOME REAL ECONOMIC GROWTH AS WELL. AND LEVERAGING OUR OUR PARKS FOR FOR THAT KIND OF ECONOMIC GROWTH IS KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE THAN ICING ON THE CAKE.

IT'S A DOUBLE WIN. SO THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. VERY GOOD.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, WELL, WE'LL TELL YOU.

YOU KNOW, LAST FRIDAY, WE OPENED A CITY FACILITY NOT TOO FAR FROM HERE WITH THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND ADOPTION CENTER.

I THINK THIS FACILITY IS VERY ARCHITECTURALLY SIMILAR, SIMILAR.

SO I THINK THE TWO WILL CERTAINLY WORK WELL TOGETHER.

AND JUST TO ECHO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHT GOING INTO THIS.

AND I THINK THAT WHAT IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO HAPPEN HERE IS WE WILL END UP WITH A LIKE THE LIKE THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND ADOPTION CENTER, WHICH IS STATE OF THE ART.

I THINK WE WILL END UP WITH AN EQUAL EQUALLY STATE OF THE ART FACILITY FOR TENNIS.

WITH THE WORK THAT'S BEEN PUT IN.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING IT.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM 4E, TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS

[4E. Texas Department of Housing and Community Affairs 9% Tax Credit Application Discussion]

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NINE PERCENT TAX CREDIT APPLICATION DISCUSSION.

AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE HAD THE PRESENTATIONS FROM THE TWO APPLICANTS AND MONA, DO YOU HAVE? I HAVE JUST A REVIEW OF THE SLIDESHOW FROM OUR LAST MEETING.

AGAIN, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT FOR OUR FINAL DISCUSSION ON THE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT APPLICATIONS AND A COUNCIL DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO ISSUE A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR ONE OF THE TWO APPLICANTS.

I'M NOT GOING TO READ EACH INDIVIDUAL SLIDE BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THIS, BUT TONIGHT, LIKE I SAID, IT'S JUST DISCUSSION TOMORROW NIGHT.

ANY APPLICANTS THAT ARE APPROVED WOULD BE ON THE FORMAL BALLOT FOR APPROVAL TOMORROW NIGHT'S COUNCIL MEETING.

AND YOUR OPTIONS ARE RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT, RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION OR RESOLUTION OF OBJECTION. AGAIN, EACH ONE OF YOU RECEIVED COPIES OF THE SCORE SHEET FROM THE APPLICANTS IN YOUR PACKETS.

YOU CAN SEE THAT TDHCA HAS A SEPARATE SCORING METHOD.

THEY ALSO SCORE ON BASED ON THE NUMBER OF LOW INCOME PERSONS AND THE THE INCOME OF THE LOW INCOME PERSON. SO ANYONE THAT IS A 30 PERCENT LOW INCOME PERSON WOULD BE SCORED HIGHER FOR TDHCA THAN IF YOU HAD MORE UNITS AT 60 PERCENT.

SO THE HIGHER THE VERY LOW INCOME UNITS ARE, THE MORE SCORE THAT THEY GET FROM TDHCA, AND THEY ALSO GET SCORED ON THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY, THE SIZE OF THE UNITS, THE AMENITIES OF SUPPORTIVE SERVICES AND OTHER ITEMS. COUNCIL SCORING SHEETS AGAIN, YOU GUYS HAD THOSE IN YOUR PACKETS TO REVIEW THIS WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL AT OUR FIRST MEETING.

YOU'VE SEEN THE SCORE SHEETS BASED ON WHAT WAS SUBMITTED.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SCORE SHEETS THAT WE SUBMITTED IN YOUR PACKET SO FAR? AND JUST AS I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE EACH APPLICANT SCORED 35 OUT OF 100; AM I? 37. 37 AND UP? OK. YES, SIR, 37 OUT OF ONE HUNDRED.

OK. I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.

I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THIS, THIS SHOWS THE NUMBER OF LOW INCOME HOUSING PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALREADY LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROPERTIES IN GARLAND.

BY FAR, WE HAVE THE MOST GARLAND HAS SUPPORTED 17 LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROPERTIES IN THE LAST 15 YEARS.

THIS IS JUST A GRAPH TO SHOW THE OTHER CITIES, FOLLOWED BY MESQUITE, PLANO, ROWLETT, RICHARDSON AND THEN ROCKWALL WITH ONE.

AND MY NEXT SLIDE IS A GRAPH JUST SHOWING THE SAME INFORMATION IN A GRAPH FORM TO SHOW YOU THE NUMBER OF LOW INCOME HOUSING UNITS PER THOUSAND PERSON, GARLAND HAS NINE POINT FIVE UNITS PER THOUSAND IN LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT.

UNITS. THIS THIS GRAPH JUST SHOWS WHERE ALL THE TAX CREDIT PROJECTS ARE WITHIN OUR CITY.

MOST OF THEM, THEY'RE SCATTERED AROUND THE CITY, MOST WITH MOST OF THEM BEING DOWNTOWN AND IN SOUTH GARLAND.

THE APPLICANTS WE HAVE ONE FROM MCDOWELL HOUSING PARTNERS, THIS ONE'S LOCATED PROPOSED AT 4600 O'BANION ROAD.

I BELIEVE THIS IS IN DISTRICT FOUR.

THEY HAD TWO DIFFERENT PROPOSALS AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, BUT WHAT THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS WITH 78 UNITS, AND I BELIEVE THEY ALSO SAID THEY COULD DO UP TO 100 UNITS OF LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROPERTY OF UNITS.

THEY WOULD HAVE A BETTER IN PREFERENCE.

YOU CAN'T RESTRICT THESE TO VETERANS BECAUSE OF A FAIR HOUSING ISSUE, BUT YOU CAN HAVE BETTER IN PREFERENCE IF THEY APPLY.

THE CURRENT ZONING ON THIS IS AGRICULTURAL.

THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SHOWS THIS TO BE BEST USE FOR CENTERS, PARKS AND OPEN SPACE.

AND AGAIN, HERE'S THE APPLICATION SCORE WAS A THIRTY SEVEN ON THIS ONE AND THE MAP, IF YOU CAN SEE IT, JUST SHOWS THE GENERAL LOCATION WHERE THIS IS LOCATED.

OUR SECOND APPLICANT WAS OM HOUSING.

THIS ONE WAS GOING TO BE PROPOSED LOCATED AT SOUTHWEST CORNER OF 190 AND MANSIONS DRIVE.

IT'S IN COUNCIL DISTRICT SEVEN.

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IT'S 120 UNITS OF FOR THE LOW INCOME HOUSING PROPERTY AS A WHOLE, 70 PERCENT OF WHICH ARE AFFORDABLE. THE CURRENT ZONING ON THIS IS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SHOWS IT TO BE A BUSINESS CENTER AND THE APPLICATION SCORE WAS THE SAME AS THE OTHER APPLICATION, WHICH IS 37.

AND YOU CAN SEE BASICALLY ON THIS MAP IF YOU CAN TELL WHERE THIS IS LOCATED RIGHT OFF THE 190 SERVICE ROAD AND CAMPBELL AREA.

AND WITH THAT, IF COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR DIRECTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S GOING TO BE SUPPORT FOR ONE OF THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED FOR TOMORROW. COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN? THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

NO QUESTIONS, BUT COUNCIL, I DON'T, GIVEN THAT THE SCORES ARE AS LOW AS THEY ARE, WHICH I THINK IS REFLECTIVE OF WHERE COUNCIL PRIORITIES ARE AND THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS, I DON'T SUPPORT EITHER OF THESE PROJECTS.

WHAT WE WHAT WE REALLY NEED, I THINK, IS VERY CLEAR AND GARLAND IS WE NEED REDEVELOPMENT OF OUR EXISTING MULTIFAMILY HOUSING STOCK.

WE VERY MUCH NEED THAT REDEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR AND WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET THERE IF WE CONTINUE TO APPROVE GREENFIELD HOUSING TDHCA DEVELOPMENTS AND BY SAYING NO TO THINGS THAT, AND THAT'S WHY THEY SCORE AS LOW AS THEY DO, WHICH IS NO OFFENSE TO THE FOLKS WHO PUT THEM FORWARD.

THEY'RE VERY ATTRACTIVE PROJECTS IN MANY WAYS.

BUT I DON'T THINK THEY FIT WHAT GARLAND'S NEED IS RIGHT NOW.

WE'VE HEARD IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD DEVELOPERS WHO COME TO US WHO TELL US THAT THAT THE WAY WE APPROACH THESE PROJECTS AND WHAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN DOES INFLUENCE THE DEVELOPERS AND THE PROJECTS THEY BRING TO US.

AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT WAS PUT INTO THESE PROJECTS.

BUT AND I KNOW THAT DOING THE, YOU KNOW, REDEVELOPMENT TYPE PROJECTS ARE A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT. IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS ARE ARE ALMOST CERTAINLY GOING TO BE HARDER TO WORK OUT BECAUSE MORE EXPENSIVE TO ACQUIRE THOSE PROPERTIES.

BUT I THINK THAT GOING FORWARD IS WHAT WE REALLY NEED.

AND IF THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO HAVE A COUPLE OF YEARS OF SAYING NO TO GET THAT MESSAGE ACROSS SO THE FOLKS WILL TRY TO BE CREATIVE AND FIND A WAY TO DO IT, THEN I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO. SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. MAYOR PRO TEM HEDRICK? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN AUBIN ON THAT BECAUSE THIS LOCATION IN MY DISTRICT IS A PRIME LOCATION RIGHT THERE ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD.

IT'S A LARGE PART OF IT.

OF THE APPLICATION WAS ABOUT CLOSENESS TO TRANSPORTATION.

IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT A MAP AND THERE'S NO SIDEWALK THAT WOULD CONNECT THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TO ANY DART BUS STOP AND EVEN WITH THE DART REDESIGN, IT'S PUSHED EVEN FURTHER BACK A MILE 1.3 MILES ALONG THE FRONTAGE WITHOUT ANY.

THERE'S MISSING SIDEWALK SEGMENTS ALONG THERE, TOO.

NOT TO MENTION THAT THIS SITE ALSO WOULD REQUIRE REZONING.

THERE'S A PD THAT WAS JUST PASSED LESS THAN FOUR YEARS AGO THAT HAS RETAIL, OFFICE AND HOTEL USES, AND WE ALREADY HAVE THOUSANDS OF APARTMENTS IN THAT AREA, WHICH IS A HIGH COMPLAINT AREA WITH PARKING ALONG NAAMAN AND MANSIONS FOR ME RIGHT NOW.

SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE PD WITH THOSE OTHER ALTERNATE USES HAVE A CHANCE TO TO DEVELOP.

AND I THINK THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANKS, SIR.

COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH? THANK YOU, MAYOR. WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION A WHILE BACK, I HAD MENTIONED THE DIFFICULTY WE WERE HAVING GETTING THESE PROJECTS OFF THE GROUND THAT WERE ALREADY APPROVED AND THAT THAT SITUATION HAS NOT GOTTEN BETTER.

IT'S ACTUALLY GOTTEN WORSE FROM A PRICE PERSPECTIVE.

AND THE THING ABOUT THESE PARTICULAR PROJECTS IS THAT THE OWNERS CAN'T RAISE RENTS TO COVER THE ADDITIONAL MATERIALS COST.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW IS LOSS OF AMENITY, LOSS OF QUALITY, HAVING TO BACK AWAY FROM THOSE THINGS THAT WERE PROMISED IN THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION, IN THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL. AND SO WE GET A WORSE QUALITY OF PRODUCT THEN ON THE GROUND, WHETHER IT'S LOWER GRADE MATERIALS, BUT CORNERS ARE GOING TO GET CUT.

AND SO AS COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN AND MAYOR PRO TEM HEDRICK GAVE VERY COMPELLING REASONS, I'LL ADD THAT ONE TO THE LIST.

I'M IN CONCURRENCE WITH THE OTHER TWO SO FAR.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, SIR.

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMS? THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'LL FINISH THE TRIPLETS OUT TONIGHT ON ONE OF THESE PROJECTS, ISN'T IT? IT'S IN MY DISTRICT AND IT'S AN AREA THAT'S SURROUNDED BY PRIMARILY RETAIL.

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IT WILL ALSO REQUIRE REZONING AND FOR THE NUMBERS I ALREADY HALF, ALMOST HALF WAS FORTY FIVE PERCENT, AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY AROUND FORTY SEVEN POINT FIVE SEVEN PERCENT OF THE MULTIFAMILY IN THIS CITY IS LOCATED IN MY DISTRICT.

AND TO SUM THIS UP, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING FOR THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE.

WE'RE VERY LIMITED IN OPEN SPACE AND DISTRICT FOUR IN SOUTH GARLAND, VERY LIMITED.

AND MATTER OF FACT, WE'RE VERY LIMITED IN OPEN SPACE CITYWIDE, AND I'M COMMITTED AS I KNOW THE REST OF COUNCIL AS WE'VE GOT TO BE VERY PRUDENT ABOUT HOW WE WE USE OR DEVELOP THE LIMITED OPEN SPACE THAT WE HAVE, RIGHT? AND AND LASTLY, LISTENING TO MY CONSTITUENTS, OK.

THEY HAVE VISIONS OF WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO RAISE THE TIDE IN SOUTH GARLAND.

AND THIS THIS PROJECT WOULD NOT FIT INTO THE COMMUNICATIONS, THE FEEDBACK THAT I'VE RECEIVED FROM THE CONSTITUENTS THAT I REPRESENT.

SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU, SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER VERA? I AGREE WITH ALL THE COUNCILMAN BEFORE ME.

I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, SIR.

COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE, YOU WERE IN AND THEN YOU, YOU JUMPED OUT, AND NOW YOU JUMP BACK OUT. WELL, I WANT YOU TO JUMP BACK.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, FOR THE REASONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED.

I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT BE IN SUPPORT OF IT, AND ESPECIALLY THE REASONS THAT WERE DISCUSSED BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMS. FROM LISTENING TO MY CONSTITUENCY, THE LAST THING THAT WE NEED, AND IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR MAP, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE QUITE A FEW OF THOSE PROJECTS IN OUR DISTRICT ALREADY AND AS A RESULT OF THE I30 [INAUDIBLE] STUDY AND [INAUDIBLE] SUMMARIES THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE KIND OF LEADING US IN THE DIRECTION OF WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO BE DOING IN THE VISION, AND WE NEED TO HAVE OUR STRATEGY, NOT SUPPORT ANY ADDITIONAL.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, SIR. AND COUNCIL MEMBER BASS? SO SORRY, THERE YOU GO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MONA.

YOU KNOW, REALLY, YEAH, THESE PROJECTS, I WOULD NOT BE IN SUPPORT OF EITHER OF THEM.

AS COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN AND MAYOR PRO TEM HEDRICK SAID, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE REHABILITATION OF OLDER PROPERTIES, AND I KNOW THAT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT COST DIFFERENCE IN THAT. YOU KNOW, HOWEVER, THAT IS WHAT WE NEED IN THIS CITY IS WE NEED TO REHABILITATE THOSE OLDER PROPERTIES.

WE DON'T NEED TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP PUTTING MORE AND MORE APARTMENTS ON OUR GREEN SPACE.

AND THE ONE THAT'S ALONG 190, IT BORDERS DISTRICT ONE.

IT'S LITERALLY 200 YARDS FROM MY HOUSE, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA.

AND AS MAYOR PRO TEM HEDRICK MENTIONED, THE FEEDBACK I'VE RECEIVED UP THERE FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE FOR IT.

THE MAIN ONE IS THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WHO WORK UP IN THAT AREA NEED, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED A PLACE TO LIVE AS WELL.

BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT, OF COURSE, THERE IS NO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION ACCESS THERE, YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY HAVE A MAID THAT COMES TO MY HOUSE EVERY OTHER WEEK. WELL, I DRIVE HER TO THE TO THE DART BUS STATION AT GEORGE BUSH AND IN PLANO BECAUSE THERE IS NO THERE ARE NO BUS STOPS OVER THERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OVER THERE.

SO THERE'S YOU KNOW THAT THAT GETS RID OF THAT ARGUMENT RIGHT THERE.

AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT LOTS OF APARTMENTS WE'VE JUST PUT IN UP THERE.

I JUST DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO ADD TO THE PARKING ISSUES AS AS DYLAN SAID. SO, YEAH, I JUST I'M NOT GOING TO BE IN FAVOR OF EITHER ONE OF THESE.

OK. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANKS, SIR.

COUNCIL LADY MORRIS? THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND I THINK I'LL END THIS.

I THINK EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SPOKEN WHEN WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP, MY SUGGESTION WAS THAT WE JUST DON'T ACCEPT AND EVEN CONSIDER ANY THIS YEAR FOR A LOT OF REASONS.

BUT THE SUMMARY OF THE NUMBER OF LOW INCOME UNITS COMPARED COMPARATIVELY BETWEEN GARLAND AND OUR SURROUNDING CITIES IS STARKLY CLEAR TO ME.

WE HAVE DONE OUR SHARE IN CARRYING THE CARRYING THE LOAD OF PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND WE ARE WAY, WAY OUT OF LINE WITH OUR SISTER CITIES.

SO I WON'T BE SUPPORTING ANY OF THESE AND I DON'T SUPPORT EITHER OF THESE TONIGHT.

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SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

I GUESS I WILL SUM UP WITH THE CLEAN SWEEP.

I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES AND I WILL NOT BE IN SUPPORT OF EITHER OF THESE PROJECTS THIS YEAR. AND EITHER WAY, WE WILL STILL BE UP FOR FORMAL CONSIDERATION ON BOTH TOMORROW NIGHT.

COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN? I GUESS THAT DOES BEG THE QUESTION OF WHETHER WE WANT TO WE STILL HAVE TO VOTE REGARDLESS ON A ON A RESPONSE, WHICH IS EITHER WE CAN EITHER ISSUE A.

RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT.

NO OPPOSITION OR DENIAL.

OR WHAT? OR DENIAL.

THOSE ARE WORDS. YEAH.

RESOLUTION OF OPPOSITION.

SO. YOU KNOW, I WOULD SUPPORT A RESOLUTION OF, I GUESS, OPPOSITION OR DENIAL OR WHATEVER IT IS. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE REST OF THE COUNCIL IS.

BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT.

I MEAN, HISTORICALLY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT EVEN A RESOLUTION OF NONSUPPORT IS ESSENTIALLY THE DEATH KNELL FOR THESE PROJECTS BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL FAIRLY CLOSELY SCORED, BUT JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON THAT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TOMORROW IS IS ASSET THAT STAFF BRING FORWARD A RESOLUTION OF DENIAL FOR US TO VOTE ON OPPOSITION TO THAT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THAT WILL MOVE US ON TO ITEM 4F ACCEPTANCE OF RECYCLING AND WASTE MINIMIZATION TECHNICAL

[4F. Acceptance of Recycling and Waste Minimization Technical Study]

STUDY. WOW.

SO A LOT IN THAT ITEM DESCRIPTION THERE.

WELL, MR. MAYOR, I WAS TOLD THAT EVERYONE IN COUNCIL READ THE ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY FIVE PAGE DOCUMENT ALREADY.

SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO DIRECTLY TO QUESTIONS.

WELL, WE ACTUALLY BROKE IT UP INTO 10 PAGE, YOU KNOW, SEGMENTS AND JUST KIND OF WORK.

I THOUGHT YOU SAID 10 MEETINGS.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR COUNCIL MR. BRADFORD. SO EARLIER TODAY, WHEN MR. BRADFORD WAS INTRODUCING CRYSTAL OWENS, I REALIZED SOMETHING THAT, OZ RODRIGUEZ HAS BEEN WITH THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT FOR SEVEN MONTHS AND I HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO FORMALLY INTRODUCE HIM TO YOU.

LET ME TELL YOU WHY.

MOST OF YOU HAVE WORKED WITH US IN THE PAST.

HE'S HE SPENT THE LAST 19 YEARS WITH CODE.

HE'S THE ONE THAT BASICALLY IMPLEMENTED CODE CARES.

SO HE'S VERY WELL LIKED BY COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY.

SO I WANTED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS OPPORTUNITY TO FORMALLY INTRODUCE MR. RODRIGUEZ TO YOU GUYS.

SO WE'RE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE HIM AND YOU CAN'T SEE, BUT RICK IS CRYING BACK THERE .

ALL RIGHT, SO TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT RECYCLING, I KNOW MANY OF YOU FOLLOW THEIR RECYCLING INDUSTRY AND YOU KNOW HOW VOLATILE, HOW UNPREDICTABLE IT HAS BEEN, ESPECIALLY OVER THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, PRIMARILY IN THE COST TO PROCESS THE MATERIALS. THE VOLUME OF THE COMMODITIES HAS BEEN GOING UP AND DOWN, BUT THE COST TO PROCESS THE MATERIALS HAS BEEN CONSISTENTLY INCREASING OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, BETWEEN 2017 AND 2019, WE GOT A COST INCREASE OVER ALMOST $1.1 MILLION TO PROCESS RAW MATERIALS.

SO BECAUSE OF THIS UNPREDICTABILITY OF THE INDUSTRY, WE FELT THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HIRE THE EXPERTS AND DO A FULL ANALYSIS OF NOT JUST THE CITY'S RECYCLING PROGRAM, BUT ALSO THE INDUSTRY IN GENERAL.

JUST TO KIND OF GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT'S COMING, ARE THE FEES GOING TO CONTINUE GOING UP? SO WE JUST WANTED TO BE PREPARED.

SO IN JANUARY OF 2020, WE RECEIVED A GRANT FOR SEVENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS FROM THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, AND WE USED THAT MONEY TO PAY FOR THE TECHNICAL STUDY. SO THE OVERVIEW THAT I HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT IS JUST A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE KEY FINDINGS AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THIS TECHNICAL STUDY.

SO WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THE SCOPE OF SERVICES, WE WANTED TO BE VERY SPECIFIC WITH THE ITEMS THAT WE WANTED THE CONSULTANTS TO LOOK AT, AND SOME OF THIS ITEMS INCLUDE A FULL EVALUATION OF THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE BEING OFFERED TO THE CITIZENS RIGHT NOW AND ALSO TO LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT.

WE WANTED TO IDENTIFY THE COST OF SERVICE FOR THEIR RECYCLING PROGRAM, NOT JUST FOR RESIDENTIAL BUT ALSO COMMERCIAL RECYCLING.

WE WANTED TO IDENTIFY AND ESTABLISH OPPORTUNITIES FOR DIVERSION AND RECYCLING

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PARTICIPATION AND BENCHMARKS AND STRATEGIES NOT JUST FOR GARLAND, BUT ALSO FOR SOME OF THE SURROUNDING CITIES AS WELL.

WE WANTED TO IDENTIFY RECYCLING CONTAMINATION IN HOW WE CAN REDUCE.

AS YOU KNOW, THE HIGHER THE CONTAMINATION, THE MORE THAT WE PAY.

SO THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US, PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ITEMS ON THIS LIST.

WE ALSO WANTED A FINANCIAL OUTLOOK AND A LONG TERM VISIBILITY OF THE PROGRAM.

ONCE AGAIN, OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, WE KEPT SEEING CONSISTENTLY AN INCREASE IN FEES.

AT ONE POINT, IT SEEMED LIKE EVERY SIX MONTHS I WAS COMING IN FRONT OF COUNCIL ASKING FOR MORE MONEY. SO WE JUST WANTED TO GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT TO EXPECT OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS. WE ALSO WANTED TO IDENTIFY RECYCLING OPPORTUNITIES FOR DIVERSION, AND WE WANTED TO ASSESS THE FEES, THE NUMBER OF ROUTES, EQUIPMENT AND THE STAFFING NEEDS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE FOR BOTH RESIDENTIAL RECYCLING AND COMMERCIAL RECYCLING.

WE WANTED TO ASSESS THE POTENTIAL FOR INCREASING COMMERCIAL RECYCLING TO SOME OF OUR CUSTOMERS AND LASTLY, WE WANTED TO DO A FULL ASSESSMENT OF THE RECYCLING CENTER BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT ALL STARTS.

THAT FACILITY WAS BUILT IN 1990.

I HAVE A HISTORY OF GOING FROM ALL FACILITY TO ALL FACILITY AND HERE'S ANOTHER ONE.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN I GET THE MONEY FOR ANYONE, RIGHT? SO, SO THE FIRST THING THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS RESIDENTIAL RECYCLING AND THE PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE OFFERING TO OUR CUSTOMERS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IS THAT OUR PROGRAM IS PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH THE MATERIAL THAT IT'S RECYCLED ON THE POUNDS PER HOUSEHOLD BASIS WITH THE BENCHMARK MUNICIPALITIES. WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE BASICALLY THE CITIES THAT WERE USED FOR THIS COMPARISON, FOR THIS ANALYSIS AND THE CITIZENS OF GARLAND.

ON AVERAGE, THEY RECYCLE ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT, WHICH IS ABOUT GIVE ME ONE SECOND ABOUT FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY FIVE POUNDS PER YEAR, WHICH IS THE EQUIVALENT OF FORTY SIX POUNDS PER MONTH OR ABOUT TWENTY THREE POUNDS EVERY OTHER WEEK, WHICH IS ONCE WE DO COLLECTION. SO THAT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH THE CITIES THAT WERE PART OF THIS STUDY. NOW, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE CITIES THAT WERE PART OF THE STUDY ARE DALLAS, FORT WORTH, AUSTIN, AND ACTUALLY SAN ANTONIO WAS PART OF THIS, TOO.

THE REASON WHY WE USE THESE CITIES IS BECAUSE WE HAD TO USE CITIES THAT ARE COMPARABLE AS FAR AS THE SYSTEM THAT WE USE TO COLLECT THE RECYCLABLE MATERIALS, WHICH IS THE [INAUDIBLE] TRUCK AND ALSO THE NINETY SIX GALLON CONTAINER.

MANY OF THEIR SURROUNDING MUNICIPALITIES USE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS. SO FOR THAT REASON, EVEN THOUGH THOSE CITIES ARE LARGER THAN GARLAND, THE SYSTEM THAT WE USED TO COLLECT THE MATERIALS IS SIMILAR.

WE ALSO IDENTIFY THAT THE COMPOSITION IS PRETTY CONSISTENT AMONG THE BENCHMARK MUNICIPALITIES, AND TECHNICALLY YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT ACROSS THE BOARD.

SINCE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SINGLE STREAM RECYCLING, WHICH MEANS YOU THROW EVERYTHING INTO ONE CONTAINER, YOUR TOP FOUR, YOUR PAPER, YOUR PLASTIC, YOUR METALS AND YOUR GLASS.

THE MATERIAL IS GOING TO BE PRETTY CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD.

SO AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS SHOWS.

THE STUDY ALSO FOUND THAT WE HAVE THE CITY OF GARLAND HAS A LOWER CAPTURE RATE FOR SOME OF THE KEY MATERIALS.

I LOOKED AT THE STUDY. THERE WAS ONE THAT KIND OF STOOD OUT TO ME AND THAT IS PET PLASTIC, CLEAR PLASTIC.

FOR SOME REASON, WE'RE NOT DOING WE'RE NOT CAPTURING AS MUCH OF THIS CLEAR PLASTIC AS OTHER CITIES. THIS IS ONE OF THE COMMODITIES THAT HAS LITTLE PET PLASTIC THAT HAS BEEN ABLE TO RETAIN ITS VALUE OVER THE YEARS.

SO WORKING WITH US WITH OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH TEAM, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE AS PART OF THE ONGOING EDUCATION THAT WE DO WITH HOAS AND ALSO WITH THE GI THESE SCHOOLS. WE ALSO IDENTIFIED THAT THE CONTAMINATION FOR THE CITY AT THE TIME OF THE STUDY WAS TWENTY EIGHT PERCENT.

I LOOKED AT THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND THEY ARE AT NINETEEN POINT NINETY SEVEN PERCENT.

SO WE'RE ALMOST 10 POINTS OR 10 PERCENT HIGHER THAN THOSE CITIES AS FAR AS CONTAMINATION.

SO IT'S A BIG PROBLEM BUT ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOW THAT WE'RE MOVING INTO THIS. POST-COVID ERA THAT WE'RE FINALLY GETTING A CHANCE TO GET BACK INTO THE SCHOOLS AND TALKING TO THE CHILDREN, TALKING TO HOMEOWNERS.

THAT'S DEFINITELY ONE OF THE GOALS THAT WE HAVE IN MIND FOR THIS YEAR AND OF COURSE, THERE'S ALWAYS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRIORITIZE WASTE MINIMIZATION, BENEFITS AND PRACTICES THROUGH EDUCATION AND OUTREACH, WHICH IS WHAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE TO GO BACK TO GISD, GET IN THE CLASSROOM, TALK TO THE

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KIDS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT ALL STARTS.

IF WE CAN CONVINCE THOSE SIX, SEVEN YEAR OLDS THAT RECYCLING IS VERY IMPORTANT, THEY'RE GOING TO GO HOME AND THEY'RE GOING TO TELL THEIR PARENTS.

IT HAPPENS TO ME WITH MY KIDS, SO I KNOW IT WORKS.

SO SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDE THAT WE CONTINUE PROVIDING RECYCLING SERVICES TO THOSE THAT ELECT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM.

NOW, GARLAND, AS YOU KNOW, WE DO NOT HAVE MANDATORY RECYCLING IN GARLAND.

SO WHAT THIS SAYS IS THAT THOSE THAT WANT TO PARTICIPATE, LET'S WORK WITH THEM.

WE KNOW THAT TWENTY EIGHT PERCENT OF THIS IS CONTAMINATION.

THAT'S ONE OUT OF EVERY THREE PIECES THAT GO INTO THE BLUE CONTAINER CONTAMINATION.

CONTAMINATION THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR.

SO WHAT THIS IS SAYING IS WORK WITH THE CUSTOMERS THAT YOU HAVE AND LET'S BRING DOWN THAT CONTAMINATION. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS POINT IS REFERRING TO AND ONCE AGAIN, WE HAVE A PLAN THAT I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO DETAIL AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

MEASURE RECYCLING ON A POUND PER HOUSEHOLD BASIS RATHER THAN BY MORE TRADITIONAL METRICS.

WOULD THAT MEANS THIS IN YEARS BEFORE I USED TO REPORT TO YOU, THE CITY OF GARLAND COLLECTED THIRTEEN THOUSAND TONS OF RECYCLING MATERIALS.

WHAT THEY'RE ASKING US TO DO IS THAT NOW WE TELL YOU EVERY HOUSEHOLD IN GARLAND, EVERY PARTICIPATING HOUSEHOLD IN GARLAND HAS BEEN PRODUCING AN AVERAGE OF FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY FIVE TONS PER YEAR PER HOUSEHOLD, SO IT'S BEING MORE SPECIFIC TO EACH SPECIFIC PARTICIPATING HOUSEHOLD RATHER THAN JUST A GENERAL TONNAGE.

FOCUS, EDUCATION, AND OUTREACH ON KEY MATERIALS.

LIKE I SAID, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE WE'VE MADE ONE OF OUR GOALS TO GET BACK INTO SCHOOLS AND PUT A LOT OF EMPHASIS SO THAT WE CAN START CAPTURING SOME OF THE COMMODITIES THAT STILL HOLD SOME VALUE.

CONSIDER DEVELOPING AND DEPLOYING A COURT AUDIT PROGRAM TO REDUCE CONTAMINATION AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE ACTUALLY HAVE THIS IN PLACE ALREADY.

IT'S WHEN ONE OF OUR DRIVERS IS GOING DOWN THE ALLEY AND PICKING UP ONE OF THOSE BLUE CONTAINERS. IF THEY NOTICE THAT THERE'S CONTAMINATION IN THOSE CONTAINERS, THEN WE'RE GOING TO TAG IT AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OR COMMUNITY AND OUTREACH SPECIALIST GO AND ACTUALLY SEE WHAT'S IN THAT CONTAINER AND DO A FULL AUDIT, THEN GO AROUND THE FRONT, KNOCK ON THE DOOR AND SAY, HEY, LISTEN, WE APPRECIATE YOU WANT TO RECYCLE.

WE JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME POINTERS ON HOW TO MINIMIZE CONTAMINATION.

SO THAT'S WHAT THIS PROGRAM IS ALL ABOUT TO DO THAT FACE TO FACE EDUCATION WITH THE CUSTOMERS ON THE SPOT.

AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CONTAINERS AND WE SEE WHAT KIND OF MATERIALS ARE BEING THROWN IN THERE THAT SHOULDN'T BE GOING IN THERE AND THE LAST POINT, IT SAYS, TO TRACK RECYCLING AND [INAUDIBLE] ON A PER HOUSEHOLD BASIS.

LIKE I SAID, WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT AND BASICALLY INSTEAD OF ME REPORTING THE TOTAL TONNAGE COLLECTED, WE'RE ACTUALLY TRACKING NOW ON THE HOUSEHOLD BASIS.

WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE ROUTING FOR RESIDENTIAL COLLECTIONS, AND IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT THE CITY NEEDS ONE ADDITIONAL COLLECTION ROUTE.

IT ALSO BASICALLY BY ADDING ONE ADDITIONAL ROUTE, WE WOULD GO FROM SIX ROUTES TO SEVEN ROUTES. THE COLLECTION DATES WOULDN'T CHANGE.

WE'RE STILL COLLECTING TUESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AND ANOTHER THING THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IS THAT TUESDAYS AND WEDNESDAYS HAVE A HIGHER NUMBER OF COLLECTIONS COMPARED TO THURSDAY SAME FRIDAYS. SO BASICALLY, EVERYTHING NORTH OF WALNUT HAS A HIGHER COLLECTION RATE THAN EVERYTHING SOUTH OF WALNUT.

ONCE AGAIN, BECAUSE IN GARLAND IS NOT MANDATORY.

IT BASICALLY SAYS THAT THERE'S MORE PEOPLE IN NORTH GARLAND THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM. THAT'S ALL IT IS.

AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDE TO ADD ONE ADDITIONAL ROUTE.

WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE MAPS FOR THIS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

AT THIS POINT, I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO ADD ANOTHER ROUTE.

I THINK WE'RE KIND OF FINALLY GETTING BACK INTO NORMAL ACTIVITY.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO TEST OR RESOURCES BEFORE I START ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL STAFFING OR ADDITIONAL VEHICLES LIKE THE STUDY IS, IT'S IDENTIFYING.

MAINTAIN THE EXISTING COLLECTION DAYS.

WE LOOKED AT THE POSSIBILITY OF EXPANDING FROM FOUR DAYS TO FIVE DAYS.

WE BASICALLY CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IT WOULD BE A NIGHTMARE.

IT WOULD BE VERY CONFUSING FOR THE MAJORITY OF OUR CITIZENS.

SO BECAUSE AFTER LOOKING AT EVERYTHING THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US, WE CAME TO AN AGREEMENT

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THAT IT WAS JUST BEST TO KEEP EVERYTHING THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE SEE A SIGNIFICANT SHIFT IN THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPATION.

IF ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GET 10, 15, 20 PERCENT INCREASE IN PARTICIPATION THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO START LOOKING AT BUT FOR NOW, WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE IS SUFFICIENT FOR THE CURRENT OPERATION.

AND THE LAST BULLET POINT TO BALANCE ROUTES BY COLLECTION DAYS FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL COLLECTION SERVICES.

WHAT THIS IS TALKING ABOUT IS REFERRING TO [INAUDIBLE] TRASH AND RECYCLE TO BE ABLE TO BALANCE THAT. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THAT AND IT'S QUITE COMPLICATED BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE CONSISTENCY. FOR EXAMPLE, EVERY TUESDAY, YOU GET A LOT OF BRUSH AND THEN EVERY THURSDAY YOU GET NO BRUSH.

YOU DON'T SEE THAT IT JUST, IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE.

ONE MONTH IN ONE AREA, YOU GET A LOT OF TRASH AND BRUSH AND THEN THE NEXT MONTH YOU DON'T GET ANY. SO ONCE AGAIN, AFTER WE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING, ALL THE DATA THAT WAS GIVEN TO US BY THE CONSULTANTS, WE FELT THAT IT'S BEST TO JUST LEAVE EVERYTHING THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW. ONCE AGAIN, IF WE SEE A SIGNIFICANT SHIFT IN THE OPERATION, THEN WE COULD CONSIDER THAT BUT FOR NOW, WE FEEL THAT WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE IS WELL BALANCED FOR THE CURRENT OPERATION. ANOTHER THING THAT WE LOOKED AT IS THE POTENTIAL TO INCREASE COMMERCIAL RECYCLING.

SO IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT WE HAVE A LOT MORE COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS THAT ARE COMMERCIAL TRASH OVER RECYCLING AND OUT OF THE ALMOST TWENTY-ONE HUNDRED COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS THAT WE HAVE, ONLY ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY ONE OF THOSE PARTICIPATE IN RECYCLING. NOW, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THIS BEING A AN OPEN MARKET MUNICIPALITY, WHICH MEANS PRIVATE HAULERS CAN COME INTO THE CITY AND COMPETE AGAINST US.

SO THAT MAKES THINGS A LOT MORE DIFFICULT FOR US.

IT WAS ALSO IDENTIFIED THAT THE RECYCLING ROUTES ARE NOT FULLY UTILIZED.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS THINK OF THINK OF A SHOPPING CENTER THAT HAS 10 BUSINESSES, OK, AND WE'RE ONLY SERVICING TWO OF THOSE.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS WE SHOULD BE SERVICING MORE OF THOSE.

SO INSTEAD OF SERVICING JUST TWO, WE SHOULD BE SERVICING MAYBE THREE, FOUR OR FIVE OR ALL 10 OF THEM. SO THAT'S WHAT THEY MEAN BY NOT FULLY UTILIZING THE ROUTES.

NOW, ONCE AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND, WE HAVE TO COMPETE AGAINST THE PRIVATE SECTOR, SO WE HAVE VERY COMPETITIVE RATES, BUT IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS SOMEBODY SHOWS UP AND SAYS, HEY, I CAN SAVE YOU TEN DOLLARS A MONTH.

YOU KNOW, AS A BUSINESS OWNER, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES YOU JUST LOOK AT THE BOTTOM DOLLAR AND SO NOW, EVEN THOUGH IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET NEW ACCOUNTS.

WE'VE BEEN PROACTIVELY GOING AFTER NEW ACCOUNTS.

LIKE I SAID A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, JUST OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, WE'VE ADDED SIX HUNDRED AND, SIX HUNDRED AND FIFTY TWO NEW ACCOUNTS, COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS, AND OUT OF THOSE, FORTY THREE HAVE BEEN NEAR RECYCLING ACCOUNTS.

SO WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO CONTINUE BRINGING IN MORE BUSINESSES AND INCLUDING RECYCLING ACCOUNTS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CONSULTANTS PROVIDED WAS THAT THEY SAID THAT A BUSINESS RECOGNITION PROGRAM IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN USE TO GET MORE CUSTOMERS, MORE COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS. WHAT THAT MEANS IS PLANO HAS SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS, AND BASICALLY WE WOULD COME UP WITH THE PROGRAM IN A CERTIFICATE AND IF A BUSINESS MEETS X, NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN CRITERIA, YOU KNOW THAT THEY ARE 70 PERCENT GREEN, THEN THEY GET A CERTIFICATE.

SO WE IN THE PAST, WE LOOKED AT SOMETHING SIMILAR FROM THE STATE OF MARYLAND, AS A MATTER OF FACT. COUNCILMAN MAYOR PRO TEM HEDRICK IS THE ONE THAT GAVE US THAT IDEA.

AT THE TIME, WE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS FREE, BUT AND IT WAS FREE TO THE CUSTOMERS.

HOWEVER, WHEN WE CALLED THEM AND GOT MORE INFORMATION, WE FOUND THAT IT TAKES SEVEN PEOPLE TO RUN THAT PROGRAM.

SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT, BUT IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL RESOURCES RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH THE EXISTING RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.

THE CITY OF PLANO HAS SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS AS WELL, LIKE I SAID, AND THEY HAVE FIVE EMPLOYEES AND THEY USE BETWEEN TWENTY FIVE AND 30 PERCENT OF THEIR TIME TO MANAGE FORTY THREE ACCOUNTS. SO LIKE I SAID, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE LOOKING AT AND REASSESSING AND IF WE SEE AN OPPORTUNITY, WE'RE GOING TO JUMP ON IT.

A WASTE REDUCTION AND ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

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WHAT THIS MEANS IS BASICALLY THAT WE WILL PROVIDE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE TO THE BUSINESSES.

IF MR. BASS CALLS US AND SAYS, HEY, CAN YOU COME IN AND JUST DO AN ASSESSMENT OF MY FACILITY OR MR. VERA? HEY, COME AND TELL ME HOW I CAN SAVE IN RECYCLING OR WHAT I NEED TO RECYCLE.

COME TALK TO MY EMPLOYEES.

WE WILL GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT ALL THE WASTE THAT IS PRODUCED AND BE ABLE TO TELL THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS WHAT CAN BE RECYCLED AND WHAT CAN GO IN THE TRASH.

SO THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS.

IF WE WERE TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS WILL BE PUT TOGETHER.

THE BUSINESS RECOGNITION AND THE WASTE REDUCTION AND ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

AND THE LAST BULLET POINT IS INCREASING ACCESS TO PUBLIC SPACE.

RECYCLING FOR EVENTS IN THE CITY PRESENTS CHALLENGES WITH HIGH LEVELS OF CONTAMINATION.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS IF WE WERE TO SET A BLUE CONTAINERS AT THE SQUARE, FOR EXAMPLE, SO THAT PEOPLE COULD RECYCLE ON A DAILY BASIS, IT WOULD MOST LIKELY RESULT IN VERY HIGH CONTAMINATION AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANYONE TO MONITOR WHAT GOES IN THERE. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT LAST BULLET POINT MEANS, AND SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDE EXPANDING THE CITY'S COMMERCIAL RECYCLING CUSTOMER BASE TO FULLY UTILIZE THE EXISTING ROUTES.

ONCE AGAIN, IT'S WE GO BACK TO THE EXAMPLE I PROVIDED THE BASICALLY IF WE'RE GOING INTO A SHOPPING CENTER, TO MAXIMIZE OR PRESENCE AND TRY TO SERVICE AS MANY ACCOUNTS AS POSSIBLE . AND THE LAST ONE IS TO DEVELOP A BUSINESS RECOGNITION PROGRAM IN CONJUNCTION WITH A WASTE REDUCTION AND ASSISTANCE PROGRAM TO INCREASE COMMERCIAL RECYCLING TO CUSTOMERS.

LIKE I SAID, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, BUT MOST LIKELY, IF IMPLEMENTED, IT WILL REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL RESOURCES.

AND ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ITEMS IN THIS TECHNICAL STUDY WAS AN ASSESSMENT OF THE RECYCLING CENTER. LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS BUILT IN 1990.

THIRTY TWO YEARS OLD.

SO WHEN IT WAS BUILT, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THEY WERE NOT THINKING THEY WERE NOT DOING 30 YEAR PROJECTIONS AND JUST SINCE FISCAL YEAR 16-17 TO NOW, WE'VE HAD AN INCREASE OF MORE THAN SEVEN THOUSAND TONS OF RECYCLING MATERIALS.

SO BASICALLY, IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S JUST FOR THE CURRENT OPERATION IS MANAGEABLE BUT IF, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, IF WE IF WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN TONNAGE 10, 15, 20 PERCENT, THEN MOST LIKELY WE WILL NEED A A BIGGER FACILITY OR WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO PROCESS MORE MATERIAL WITH THE WITHIN THE EXISTING FACILITY.

SOME OF THE KEY FINDINGS FOR THIS ITEM.

THE CURRENT TRAFFIC PATTERNS PRESENT OPERATIONAL AND SAFETY CHALLENGES.

ONCE AGAIN, THIS WAS BUILT 30 YEARS AGO.

THEY WERE NOT THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU KNOW IT WAS IT WAS PLUGGED IN PLACE AND WE JUST MAKE IT WORK WITH THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.

SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE IS FOR SOMEONE THAT IS NEW, IT COULD BE IT COULD BE CONFUSING BECAUSE YOU GO IN AND YOU JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO.

SO THIS IS WHAT THIS IS TALKING ABOUT.

THE BASICALLY FOR SOMEONE NEW THAT WANTS TO RECYCLE AND WANTS TO GO TO THE DROP OFF CENTER. IT COULD BE A LITTLE CHALLENGING, AND IT'S ALSO A SAFETY ISSUE IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. WE HAVE COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT DRIVING ALL OVER THE PLACE.

IT COULD BE A POTENTIAL ACCIDENT.

IT WAS ALSO IDENTIFIED THAT THE CURRENT EQUIPMENT THAT THE RECYCLING CENTER IS SUFFICIENT TO MANAGE THE CURRENT OPERATION ONCE AGAIN.

FOR THE FOR THE TONNAGE THAT WE'RE PROCESSING RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS JUST A LITTLE OVER THIRTEEN THOUSAND TONS A YEAR, WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE IS SUFFICIENT.

SO UNLESS WE GET A VERY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE THAN IN PARTICIPATION, WHICH IS GOING TO RESULT IN INCREASE IN TONNAGE THAN I, WE CAN MANAGE THE CURRENT OPERATION WITH THE CURRENT RESOURCES AVAILABLE.

CURRENTLY, WE HAVE TWO COMPACTORS THAT WE USE.

WE HAVE AN EMPLOYEE WITH THE BOBCAT [INAUDIBLE] THE COMPACTORS, THEY GET COMPACTED, THEY GO ON THE BACK OF A TRUCK AND THEY GET TRANSPORTED TO THE PROCESSING FACILITY.

SO TWO FTES ARE ABLE TO MANAGE THE CURRENT OPERATION OF THE RECYCLING CENTER AND ONCE AGAIN, THE VOLUME OF MATERIAL AT THE RECYCLING CENTER IS MANAGEABLE, WITH THE CURRENT STAFFING AND EQUIPMENT.

THE SIZE CONSTRAINTS OF THE RECYCLING CENTER PROHIBIT EXPANSION AND COULD INTERRUPT MATERIAL HANDLING OPERATIONS.

ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS IF WE GET A VERY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN TONNAGE.

COVID WAS A PERFECT EXAMPLE.

WHEN YOU KNOW PEOPLE WERE STAYING AT HOME, THEY WERE EATING A LOT MORE.

SO THE TONNAGE FOR RECYCLING INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO IMPACT OUR OPERATIONS. WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO.

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THAT WOULD CAUSE US TO INTERRUPT OPERATIONS, FOR EXAMPLE.

AND THE LAST THING IS, THE RECYCLING CENTER HAS SEVERAL ADDITIONAL OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES.

LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT THE SIZE, THE LOCATION, THE FACT THAT THE DRIVERS, WHEN THEY GO IN, THEY HAVE TO BACK IN AND THEN YOU HAVE CITIZENS IN THE RECYCLING DROP OFF CENTER. WE'RE PRETTY GOOD.

WE TYPICALLY HAVE SOMEONE OUT THERE KEEPING AN EYE ON THE OPERATION BUT OBVIOUSLY ONCE AGAIN, WHEN THIS WAS BUILT THAT WE'RE NOT DOING A 30-YEAR PROJECTION AND THINKING, OK, WE NEED TO PLAN HOW TO HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE A SAFE OPERATION.

THIRTY YEARS AGO, I MEAN, THERE WERE PROCESSING A THOUSAND OR TWO THOUSAND TONS AND PROBABLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY CITIZENS DROPPING OFF AT THE RECYCLING CENTER.

SO ONCE AGAIN, WITH EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE SOME CHALLENGES WITH THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE, WE'RE ABLE TO MANAGE JUST FINE.

SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDE OPTIMIZING THE TRAFFIC FLOW AT THE RECYCLING CENTER AND WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT.

WE'VE WE'VE ORDERED SOME OF THESE SIGNS SO THAT IF SOMEBODY SHOWS UP AND THEY'VE NEVER BEEN TO THE RECYCLING CENTER, AT LEAST THERE'S SOME NEW SIGNS THAT ARE THERE MORE CLEARER AND SIMPLER THAN WHAT WE HAD BEFORE AND ON TOP OF THAT, WE HAVE DIRECTIONAL STRIPING ON THE FLOOR THAT WE JUST PAINTED RECENTLY, AND WE'RE GOING TO STAY ON TOP OF THAT AS SOON AS WE SEE THAT FADING.

WE'RE GOING TO REPAINT THEM ONCE AGAIN JUST TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO THE CUSTOMERS AND WORKING WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.

IT WAS ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT WE MAINTAIN THE CURRENT NUMBER OF EQUIPMENT AND STAFFING AND ENSURE THAT THE DRIVERS ARE USING THE TECHNOLOGY THAT IS PROVIDED TO THEM WHEN THEY'RE BACKING INTO THEIR RECYCLING CENTER.

THE LAST ITEM THAT WE LOOKED AT IS OUR MULCH PROGRAM.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IS THAT THE SUPPLY OF MULCH PROVIDED TO THE CUSTOMER HAS ALWAYS EXCEEDED THE DEMAND FOR THE LAST ALMOST THREE YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN IN THIS DEPARTMENT. I'VE NEVER HAD A CUSTOMER CALL ME AND SAID, HEY, YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE ANY MULCH, YOU NEED TO GET US SOME MORE.

IT'S NEVER BEEN THAT CHRIS IS DOING A PHENOMENAL JOB AT THE LANDFILL, MAKING SURE THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE SUPPLIES READILY AVAILABLE FOR FOR CITIZENS AND YOU KNOW, THE LAST FOUR BULLET POINTS HERE, AS WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS PROGRAM, WE WERE LOOKING AT WHAT OTHER CITIES WERE DOING AND WE FOUND OUT THAT MANY OF THEM WERE USING A THIRD PARTY CONTRACTOR OR THEY WOULD HIRE SOMEONE TO COME TO BASICALLY BE AT THEIR FACILITY FULL TIME AND PROCESS THEM ALL FOR THEM.

THOSE CITIES ARE FORT WORTH AND SAN ANTONIO, A LOT LARGER IN SIZE.

THEIR DEMAND IS A LOT HIGHER THAN GARLAND.

SO WHEN WE GATHER ALL THE INFORMATION, WE IDENTIFIED THAT IT WAS JUST NOT COST EFFECTIVE FOR US TO EVEN CONSIDER THOSE OPTIONS.

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, OR SUPPLY EXCEEDS OUR DEMAND.

SO THEREFORE IT'S NICE TO KNOW THAT THERE'S OPTIONS AVAILABLE BUT WHEN THOSE OPTIONS ARE NOT COST EFFECTIVE THEN, WE'LL JUST MOVE ON.

AND WE ALSO IDENTIFIED THAT THERE ARE SOME THIRD PARTY PROCESSORS IN THE AREA BUT WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE WOULD HAVE TO SEND THEIR DRIVERS TO THIS FACILITY TO PICK UP THE MULCH, BRING IT BACK AND THEN PROVIDE IT TO THE CITIZENS.

ONCE AGAIN, IT WOULDN'T BE COST EFFECTIVE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE AN OPTION THAT IS WORKING JUST FINE.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO ASSESS THE OPERATIONAL NEEDS TO ADJUST THE BULK AND BRUSH COLLECTION TO INCREASE UNCONTAMINATED MATERIAL.

BRUSH, PRIMARILY CLEAN BRUSH IS WHAT WE NEED TO MAKE MULCH.

SO PART OF THE EDUCATION THAT [INAUDIBLE] ARE WORKING ON IS TO BASICALLY KNOCK ON DOORS AND, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH PUBLIC AND MEDIA RELATIONS, USE EVERY SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM TO TELL PEOPLE THE IMPORTANCE OF SEPARATING THE BRUSH FROM EVERYTHING ELSE.

IF ONCE IT'S CONTAMINATED, WE CANNOT USE IT AND IT HAS TO GO TO THE WORKING FACE OF THE LANDFILL. SO IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO FOR EVERY CITIZEN IN GARLAND TO MAKE THAT EXTRA STEP AND MAKE THAT EXTRA EFFORT TO SEPARATE ALL THE BRUSH FROM ALL THE REGULAR TRASH. SO IN SUMMARY, SOME OF THE KEY FINDINGS INCLUDE THE COST OF SERVICE FOR RESIDENTIAL RECYCLING IS SIX DOLLARS AND NINETY THREE CENTS PER HOUSEHOLD PER MONTH.

THIS IS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS.

OK, SO WE IDENTIFY THE FORTY TWO THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED AND THIRTY NINE CITIZENS IN GARLAND PARTICIPATE IN RECYCLING.

BASED ON THAT NUMBER ALONE, THE COST OF SERVICE IS SIX DOLLARS AND NINETY THREE CENTS.

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NOW KEEP IN MIND, HERE WE DO TRASH, RECYCLE AND BRUSH IN ONE FEE, ONE MONTHLY FEE.

SO WE HAVE TO USE THAT NUMBER OF PARTICIPATION, WHICH IS SIXTY TWO THOUSAND SIXTY TWO THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED AND SIXTY NINE PARTICIPANTS.

WHEN WE USE THAT NUMBER, THE COST OF SERVICE FOR RESIDENTIAL RECYCLE IS FOUR DOLLARS AND FORTY SIX CENTS.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OK. IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING.

WE ALSO IDENTIFIED THAT THE COST OF COMMERCIAL RECYCLING IS TWELVE DOLLARS AND SEVENTY THREE CENTS PER COLLECTION.

NOW THIS IS THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF RESIDENTIAL RECYCLING.

THIS HAS TO BE ONE HUNDRED PERCENT BASED ON PARTICIPATION.

WE CANNOT CHARGE BUSINESSES THAT DON'T RECYCLE A RECYCLING FEE.

SO THAT'S WHAT THIS NUMBER COMES FROM.

WE IDENTIFIED THAT THE INCREASE IN THE CONTAMINATION RATE WOULD SAVE WOULD ACHIEVE COST SAVINGS FOR EVERY TON OF CONTAMINATION WE NOW PAY SIXTY SIX DOLLARS AND SIXTY EIGHT CENTS. IT ADDS UP AT THE END OF THE YEAR, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU KEEP IN MIND THAT WHEN WE DID THE STUDY, TWENTY EIGHT PERCENT OF OUR TONNAGE WAS CONTAMINATION.

IMPLEMENTING A COURT AUDITING PROGRAM TO REDUCE CONTAMINATION COULD PARTIALLY OFFSET THE COST OF HAULING AND PROCESSING THE CONTAMINATION.

ONCE AGAIN, THE KEY HERE IS REDUCING CONTAMINATION.

IF WE'RE ABLE TO REDUCE CONTAMINATION IS GOING TO PROVIDE LONG TERM SAVINGS FOR THE PROGRAM. THIS IS MONEY THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY IN HAULING AND TRANSPORTATION TO THE THIRD PARTY CONTRACTOR THAT WE'RE USING RIGHT NOW AND LASTLY, EXPANDING THE COMMERCIAL RECYCLING SERVICES WOULD DECREASE THE COST OF SERVICE BY FIFTY-SIX CENTS, THE NUMBER THAT WE USED TO COME UP WITH THIS WITH THE FIFTY SIX CENTS IS IF WE'RE ABLE TO DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL RECYCLING ACCOUNTS.

SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE EXAMPLE THAT I GAVE YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PICKING UP TWO ACCOUNTS FROM A SHOPPING CENTER THAT HAS 10 ACCOUNTS.

IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET FOUR ACCOUNTS FROM THERE, EVEN THOUGH THE COST OF SERVICE IS GOING TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF COLLECTIONS OR PARTICIPATION, IT'S ALSO GOING TO INCREASE.

THEREFORE, YOUR OVERALL COST OF SERVICE IS GOING TO GO DOWN.

SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS SAYING AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO ADD ONE RESIDENTIAL RECYCLING ROUTE, EVALUATE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A WASTE REDUCTION AND ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND EVALUATE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A COURT ORDERED IMPROVEMENT.

ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN IMPLEMENTED AND LASTLY, CONTINUE RECYCLING.

THAT WAS A LOT, SO I'LL TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE VERY GOOD.

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, SIR. NOW WE CAN PASS THE OFFERING PLATE.

JUST JUST A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS AND ONE QUESTION HAVING, THANKS AGAIN, HAVING DONE THE ROUTE OUT TO SPEND A FULL DAY OUT THERE, IN PARTICULAR THIS RECYCLING CENTER.

MY FIRST POINT IS THAT IN YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT IT, THEN I WASN'T AWARE OF THE SCOPE OF THE [INAUDIBLE] DROP OFF AT THE RECYCLING CENTER AND AFTER WE DID OUR RIDE OUT.

I TALKED TO SOME FOLKS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND AROUND A LOT OF FOLKS THEY WEREN'T AWARE, AND I KNOW WE SAID, GO TO THE WEBSITE AND DO ALL OF THAT BUT YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE BUSY, YOU KNOW, TAKING CARE OF THEIR EVERYDAY LIVES.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, HOW CAN WE HOW CAN WE USE OUR TECHNOLOGY TO GET A BETTER PENETRATION FOR PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY THE DROP OFF? BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE I TALKED TO, YOU KNOW, THEY LOOK FOR THE TRUCKS.

I MEAN, THEY FIGURED THAT'S THE OTHER WAY.

YES, SIR. SO THE SELF DROP OFF PIECE, I THINK, IS IT'S AN EXCELLENT TOOL, BUT I THINK WE COULD MORE PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT.

OK, THAT'S ONE POINT YOU CAN YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT.

THAT'S ONE POINT. THE OTHER YOU TALK ABOUT BUSINESSES AND I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT CERTIFICATES GIVING THEM, BUT ANY THOUGHTS ON LOOKING AT ANY OTHER INCENTIVES? LET'S SAY YOU GOT SO YOU'VE GOT 15 BUSINESSES IN A SHOPPING CENTER AND LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, FIVE OF THEM, FIVE OF THEM SIGN UP FOR OUR PROGRAM.

ARE THERE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT BEST PRACTICES, THINGS THAT WE CAN DO THAT MAYBE WORKING IN OTHER CITIES OTHER THAN GIVE THEM QUOTE A CERTIFICATE?

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SOME PROBABLY DON'T HAVE WALL SPACE TO PUT A CERTIFICATE.

SOME OF THEM ARE TINY. SO I'M THROWING THESE OUT TO YOU.

WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS YOU KNOW, WHEN WE CAN SOMETIMES MAYBE USE THE SPECTRUM APPROACH? YOU KNOW, FIRST FIRST.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FIRST HOMEBUYERS.

WHAT ABOUT FIRST-TIME RECYCLE USERS? OR IS THERE SOME INCENTIVES THAT WE COULD USE FOR THE FIRST TIMERS WHO DO THAT? SO AND MY THIRD POINT IS HAVING WRITTEN AROUND WITH YOU AND YOUR TEAM OUT THERE IN THE RECYCLE CENTER INFRASTRUCTURE, AND I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED AND I DIDN'T READ EVERY WORD, BUT I DID LOOK AT YOUR REPORT THAT THERE WAS NO MENTION OF ANY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE DROP OFF AT YOUR CENTER AND I KIND OF SEE THIS AS PERHAPS A FUTURE, YOU KNOW, CIP ITEM, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE ANY REVELATIONS TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I'M JUST KIND OF WANT TOSS AT YOU AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, GETTING IN AND OUT, YOU KNOW, THE ACCESS, YOU KNOW, YOUR TEAM, YOUR EQUIPMENT MOVING AROUND IN AND OUT, SOMEBODY DRIVING IN A CAR OR PICKUP TRUCK, THE ACCESS, EVEN KNOWING THAT IT'S THERE.

MM HMM. YOU KNOW.

YEAH, BECAUSE UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY TURN INTO INTO YOUR YOUR PREMISES, YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S THERE.

OK, SO WHAT KIND OF ACTUAL PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU WOULD THINK WOULD BE NEEDED DOWN THE ROAD TO HELP WHEN CITIZENS COME IN THERE AND THEY CAN GET OUT AND THEY DON'T RISK, THEY DON'T RUN THE RISK OF RUNNING, HAVE AN ACCIDENT, YOUR STAFF AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME THOUGHTS THAT I WANT TO THROW AT YOU.

SO ANY FEEDBACK ON ANY OF IT.

EXCELLENT QUESTIONS. EXCELLENT QUESTION AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT THEM UP.

SO POINT NUMBER ONE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF COVID, WE BASICALLY STOPPED ALL THE TOURS THAT WE'RE DOING AT THE TRANSFER STATION AT THE LANDFILL.

ON FRIDAY, WE RESUMED DOING IN PERSON TOURS.

SO NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY BRINGING THE COMMUNITY TO THE FACILITY SO THEY CAN SEE ALL THE EVERYTHING, ALL THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE AND EVERYTHING THAT WE PROVIDE IN THE CONVENIENT CENTER. WE'RE ACTUALLY MAKING A VIDEO THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PUBLISHING ON ALL SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS JUST TO REACH OUT MORE PEOPLE IF NEEDED.

WE CAN DEFINITELY REACH OUT TO DOROTHY AND SEE IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING ON THE CITY PRESS AS WELL BUT ONCE AGAIN, PRIOR TO THIS, IT WAS COVID AND THE FACT THAT WE JUST WANTED TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF EVENTS OF HAVING LARGE GROUPS AND JUST DOING FACE TO FACE INTERACTION TO YOUR SECOND POINT, WHAT I HAVE SEEN OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS IN THIS DEPARTMENT IS THE BEST INCENTIVE THAT YOU CAN GIVE TO A BUSINESS IS A LOWER RATE.

IN SIMPLE TERMS, YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY ORDINANCE THAT MAKES US COMPETITIVE AGAINST THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, JUST DEALING WITH BUSINESS MANAGERS AND BUSINESS OWNERS THEMSELVES, THAT'S THE FEEDBACK THAT I'VE RECEIVED DIRECTLY FROM THEM.

GIVE ME THE LOWEST RATE AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MY BUSINESS.

WE'LL SPEND SOME TIME LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER CITIES ARE DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT WE CAN USE TO RECOGNIZE SOMETHING LIKE THE EXAMPLE THAT YOU PROVIDED TO US AND IF THERE IS, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO IMPLEMENT IT.

TRY IT OUT. WORST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN IS IT JUST DOESN'T WORK OUT, BUT WE'LL BE HAPPY TO AT LEAST TRY IT OUT AND LASTLY, WE JUST COMPLETED A MASTER PLAN FOR THE TRANSFER STATION, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ASSESSED ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE FACILITY WAS BUILT IN 1974 AND WENT INTO OPERATION IN 1975 BUT ONCE AGAIN, IF YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED, I'M CHEAP, MEANING I LIKE TO WORK AND MAXIMIZE THE RESOURCES THAT I HAVE IN PLACE. YEAH, YOU CAN USE THAT TERM TOO AND WELL, THE REASON WHY I MENTIONED THIS IS I DON'T LIKE TO ASK FOR ADDITIONAL RESOURCES UNLESS THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT NEED.

ADDING A NEW RECYCLING CENTER WILL MOST LIKELY REQUIRE ANOTHER BOND ELECTION.

THEY'RE NOT CHEAP, BUT YOU'VE ALL SEEN THEIR RECENTLY WITH ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE COMPLETED, SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING WHAT WE NEED IS JUST A MATTER OF WAITING FOR THE RIGHT TIME TO ASK FOR THOSE.

IF AS WE MOVE FORWARD, IF WE DETERMINE TO DO FACE IMPLEMENTATIONS FOR DIFFERENT THINGS AND MAYBE GO THROUGH A CIP INSTEAD OF A BOMB PROJECT, A BOND ELECTION, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BRING TO COUNCIL FOR FOR CONSIDERATION.

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YEAH, I HOPE I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR.

PUTTING A NEW RECYCLING CENTER UNDER YOUR CHRISTMAS TREE BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT ON EXISTING FACILITIES.

ARE THERE ANY IMPROVEMENTS OR INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES, NOT A NEW FACILITY.

THAT'S A DIFFERENT DECISION BUT LOOKING AT YOUR CURRENT FACILITIES, OR THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT UPGRADES OF SOME INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGES, THAT MODIFICATIONS THAT COULD BE DONE, YOU THINK THAT I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO INSTALL THAT TONIGHT, BUT I JUST WANT TO.

I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I KNOW, SIR.

IN TALKING TO THE FACILITIES DEPARTMENT, WE IDENTIFIED THAT IT'S MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO JUST DEMOLISH THE CURRENT BUILDING AND JUST BUILD A NEW ONE AND THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE MASTER PLAN. THAT'S ONE OF THE ONE OF THE PROJECTS.

THANKS, SIR. THANK YOU. THANKS, SIR.

COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH. ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR.

IF IT'S TWO A.M., I'M OUT LOOKING BETWEEN THE GREEN CAN AND THE BLUE CAN, AND I'VE GOT THE BOTTLE IN MY HAND I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S RECYCLABLE.

DO WE [INAUDIBLE] ON THE SIDE OF RECYCLING OR DO WE [INAUDIBLE] ON THE SIDE OF NOT RECYCLING? WHEN IN DOUBT, THROW IT IN THE TRASH.

OK. MY ADVISE SIR.

THAT SEEMS LIKE SIMPLE MESSAGING THAT WE CAN USE TO LOWER THE CONTAMINATION RATE AND SO I WANT TO KIND OF HAVE THAT SOUNDBITE IN MIND WHEN I'M TALKING WITH CONSTITUENTS.

SO WHEN IN DOUBT GREEN CAM, RIGHT? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, SIR AND I ALSO WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS OPPORTUNITY.

WE HAVE WHAT IS CALLED THE WASTE WIZARD, AND IT'S AN APPLICATION THAT IS FREE TO ANYONE.

IT'S ALREADY IN OUR WEBSITE AND OLD PEOPLE GOT TO DO IS CLICK ON IT.

THEY TYPE THE TYPE OF MATERIAL, BATTERY CAR OIL.

I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHATEVER YOU THINK, YOU KNOW A FRYER, YOU PUT IT IN THERE AND IT'S GOING TO TELL YOU WHERE IT GOES.

EXCELLENT TOOL ONCE AGAIN AS WE'RE PICKING UP AND WE'RE MOVING PAST THIS COVID ERA AND WE'RE DOING MORE FACE TO FACE EDUCATION, WE'RE GOING TO PUT A LOT OF EMPHASIS INTO REDUCING CONTAMINATION AND INCREASING CLEAN RECYCLING.

OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

VERY GOOD. COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT A CART AUDITING PROGRAM.

I REALLY DO. MM HMM.

I WOULD BE NOT VERY HAPPY IF SOMEONE CAME AND WENT THROUGH MY CART AND THEN CAME TO MY DOOR. AND I THINK YOU SHOULD BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW YOU IMPLEMENT THAT PROGRAM AND THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE A TONE OF SCOLDING PEOPLE.

BECAUSE IF THAT HAPPENED TO ME AND I FELT LIKE I WAS GETTING SCOLDED, I WOULD BE VERY DISPLEASED. I'D BE UPSET WITH MY COUNCIL PERSON.

I'D BE UPSET WITH US AND I THINK IT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON HOW E.W.S.

IS PERCEIVED, WHICH IS GENERALLY PRETTY POSITIVE AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT, I MEAN, I'VE HAD THAT KIND OF NEGATIVE INTERACTION WITH E.W.S.

YOU KNOW, JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO, I GOT SCOLDED FOR LEAVES IN MY FRONT YARD THAT FOR SOME REASON, WHOEVER IS RUNNING THE BULKY TRASH SUSPECTED THAT I WANTED THEM TO PICK UP UN-BAGGED LEAVES.

I DON'T KNOW.

THEY'RE JUST A PILE OF LEAVES OUT THERE FOR MY KIDS, AND I GOT SCOLDED ABOUT IT AND I WAS NOT VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.

NO, I DIDN'T REACH OUT AND COMPLAIN ABOUT IT WASN'T A BIG DEAL AT THE TIME, BUT I THINK IMPLEMENTING A CART AUDITING PROGRAM WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC AND CANDIDLY, I WOULD.

IF YOU CAME TO ME AND I FELT LIKE I'D BE SCOLDED, I WOULD TELL YOU TO TAKE THAT BLUE CART AND SHOVE IT WHEREVER YOU WANT, BUT DON'T EVER PICK IT UP AGAIN FROM MY HOUSE.

SO I THINK YOU SHOULD REALLY THINK TWICE ABOUT IMPLEMENTING THAT KIND OF PROGRAM.

AND I THINK THE FEELING THAT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE THAT THE CITY IS SOMEHOW GOING THROUGH AND AUDITING OUR TRASH IS PRETTY NEGATIVE.

I THINK A BROAD BRUSH TYPE, YOU KNOW, AND I WORK WITH THIS.

I MEAN, I'VE GOT LITTLE KIDS AND I WORK.

IT'S A DAILY. IT'S A DAILY THING, YOU KNOW? NO, THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU'D THINK EVENTUALLY THEY'D FIGURE IT OUT BUT NO, THIS IS NOT WHAT GOES IN OUR RECYCLING BIN.

SO I THINK EDUCATIONAL THINGS ARE GOOD, BUT I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT AUDITING.

THANK YOU. THAT'S EXCELLENT FEEDBACK, AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT THAT TO MY ATTENTION.

I THINK IT'S ONLY APPROACH.

WE'RE PROFESSIONALS.

THE CITIZENS OF GARLAND PAY A FEE TO GET THE SERVICES, AND THEREFORE WE NEED TO BE COURTEOUS TO OUR CUSTOMERS.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE ISSUE IS.

EVERY TIME I GET A CALL EMAIL FROM A CITIZEN THAT'S NOT HAPPY WITH THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE. THE FIRST THING THAT I DO IS I APOLOGIZE AND I'M DOING THE SAME THING TO YOU TONIGHT BECAUSE THAT IS NOT THE IMAGE THAT I WANT FROM MY DEPARTMENT.

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WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO JUST DO BETTER.

IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT AND I DON'T GET ME WRONG, I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT E.W.S DOES.

YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB AS THE E.W.S DIRECTOR AND AS A GENERAL RULE, WE PROVIDE A VERY HIGH CALIBER QUALITY OF SERVICE.

SO I WOULD JUST I WOULD BE REAL CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE APPROACHED A CART AUDITING PROGRAM. THAT'S ALL.

YES, SIR. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK AND WE'LL LOOK INTO IT.

I WASN'T THINKING FROM THAT APPROACH, BUT THANK YOU.

YOU BROUGHT IT UP. EXCELLENT POINT BUT NOW WE DO TAG CARTS ON OCCASION.

NOW, THOUGH, WE DO. YES, SIR.

I MEAN, THAT'S THAT PART'S NOT NEW.

NO, THAT'S NOT NEW, SIR AND TECHNICALLY, WE'VE BEEN ALSO DOING THE AUDITS FOR A FEW YEARS NOW. RIGHT. IT'S JUST ONCE AGAIN BECAUSE OF COVID AND SHIFTING RESOURCES AROUND JUST TO BE ABLE TO MAKE COLLECTIONS FOR THE DAY.

WE KIND OF STOPPED AND WE WERE NOW THINKING ABOUT GOING BACK INTO IT.

RIGHT? OK. MAYOR PRO TEM HEDRICK.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I LIKE A LOT OF THE LOGISTICAL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE REPORT MAKES, BUT MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS ABOUT POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS.

YOU THINK THAT THE COUNCIL COULD POSSIBLY IMPLEMENT? AND BY THAT, I MEAN, FOR EXAMPLE, MANDATORY RECYCLING IN APARTMENT BUILDINGS, SOME OF OUR CITIES, WE WERE COMPARED TO HAVE THAT.

I'VE DONE PROJECTS IN AUSTIN, WHICH THE NEW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS REQUIRE A SEPARATE RECYCLING CONTAINER VERSUS A GARBAGE CONTAINER.

SO WHAT KIND OF POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS DO YOU THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL? I THINK BEFORE WE START THINKING ABOUT MANDATORY RECYCLING, IF IT WAS UP TO ME, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE FOCUS ON THE KEY ISSUE, WHICH IS CONTAMINATION.

YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP IN MIND, YOU MAKE IT MANDATORY FOR THOSE THAT DON'T WANT TO RECYCLE, THEN YOUR CONTAMINATION IS GOING TO INCREASE.

SO NOW YOU'RE PAYING FOR YOU'RE PAYING A LOT OF MONEY FOR ITEMS THAT SHOULD BE GOING TO THE LANDFILL, BUT INSTEAD THEY'RE GOING INTO THE BLUE CONTAINER.

NOW ANOTHER THING I LOOKED INTO MANDATORY RECYCLING FOR MULTIFAMILY UNITS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS IMPLEMENTED THAT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND SO I REACHED OUT TO THE DIRECTOR AND TOLD THEM THAT AS SOON AS HE'S GOT THE ONE YEAR ANALYSIS, DID YOU SEND IT TO ME SO THAT IF WE LOOK INTO THAT, AT LEAST WE HAVE SOME HARD DATA THAT WE CAN USE AND LEARN FROM IT.

THINGS THAT WE WE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES THAT THEY DID AND LASTLY, ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES THAT I'VE SEEN WITH DEPARTMENTS IS SPACING.

IF WE MADE IT MANDATORY FOR THEM TO RECYCLE, MOST LIKELY THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SACRIFICE TWO TO THREE PARKING SPACES.

SO IT'S JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE GOT TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU TRY TO MOVE INTO SOMETHING LIKE THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE HAPPY BUT THOSE ARE APARTMENT MANAGERS MOST LIKELY NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY THAT THEY LOST FOUR PARKING SPACES.

YEAH, THAT'S I KNOW THAT AS SOON AS I GET THAT REPORT FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO FORWARD IT TO YOU AND IF YOU LIKE TO FOLLOW UP AND I KNOW EXACTLY THAT PARKING SPACE ISSUE SAME WAY IN AUSTIN, IT REQUIRES A COUPLE OF PARKING SPACES.

YES, SIR. YOU KNOW, IF THE BURGER KING OR HAMBURGER JOINT OR SOMETHING, IT'S IT TAKES UP PARKING SOME VALUABLE PARKING SPACES.

I APPRECIATE YOU IMPLEMENTING THE TOURS AGAIN.

I KNOW MY DAUGHTER IN HER KINDERGARTEN CLASS WAS SCHEDULED TO GO IN APRIL OF 2020, AND WE SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING A MONTH BEFORE.

SO MAYBE HER SECOND GRADE CLASS CAN GO NOW, SO GIVE ME AN EMAIL WILL BE HAPPY TO HAVE.

THAT LONG. BUT I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

[INAUDIBLE] MOORE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YOU'RE REAL.

YES, SIR. ONCE AGAIN, I THINK THAT YOU'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB IN EXPLAINING WHAT'S TAKING PLACE THERE IN THE RECYCLING CENTER.

YOU ALWAYS SEEM TO JUST DO A VERY THOROUGH JOB IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD.

I HAVE A QUESTION, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

I DON'T THINK THAT YOU'RE BEING CHEAP AT ALL.

I DON'T EVEN THINK YOU'RE BEING TIGHT.

I THINK THAT'S FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO IS TO COME TO US AND I HEARD YOU SAY SEVERAL TIMES, THESE ARE THE SUGGESTIONS BUT RIGHT NOW, I THINK THAT WE ARE AND YOU GO ON TO TELL US WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WE'RE DOING PROPERLY.

QUESTION. YOU STATED THAT MAJOR RECYCLING ON A POUND PER HOUSEHOLD BASIS RATHER THAN BY TRADITIONAL MEASURES.

NOW, WOULD THAT MEAN THAT IF YOU BEGIN TO MEASURE IT THAT WAY, THAT THEN YOU WOULD HAVE DIFFERENT COST FACTORS FOR DIFFERENT HOMES BASED ON GOING WITH THIS NEW METRIC SYSTEM? NO, IT WOULD BE JUST FOR TRACKING PURPOSES.

OK. THE COST WOULDN'T CHANGE.

YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE THE SAME BECAUSE WE PAY PER TON.

OK, SO IF YOU INCREASE BY HUNDRED TONS, YOUR COST IS GOING TO BE THE SAME AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE IMPACT THIS OR NOT PER HOUSEHOLD AVERAGE.

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OK, NOW.

CONTAMINATION AND COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS, THOSE SEEM TO BE THE TWO THINGS THAT YOU'RE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT, AND I KEEP HEARING YOU SAY FACE TO FACE, YOU WANT TO DO SOME BEING IN SALES MYSELF, I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A WAY TO GO ABOUT DOING IT SUCH THAT WE DON'T ANGER OUR CUSTOMERS PROFESSIONAL BUT WHAT ARE YOU? ARE YOU REALLY ASKING AT THIS POINT THEN, DO YOU HAVE A MARKETING DIVISION? DO YOU HAVE A SALES DIVISION? PEOPLE WHO CAN ACTUALLY BEGIN TO GO TO THESE COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS AND EXPLAIN TO THEM WHY, YOU KNOW, BEING WITH US WOULD BE MUCH BETTER THAN THEIR COMPETITORS, BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE ABLE TO BRING IN MORE CLIENTELE, IT SEEMS THAT NOW YOU'RE YOU'RE IN A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT NEW FACILITY, NEW EQUIPMENT AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO COULD YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THERE IN THE WAY OF THAT FACE TO FACE CONTACT? YES, SIR. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF MULTITASKERS.

I DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC DIVISIONS FOR EVERY AREA OF THE DEPARTMENT.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FOCUS ON THE MOST WHEN I TOOK OVER THIS DEPARTMENT IS CROSS-TRAINING MY STAFF.

WE HAVE STAFF THAT THEY DID ONE THING AND THAT'S ALL THEY DID.

NOW THEY DO MULTIPLE THINGS.

SO WE HAVE SEVERAL STAFF MEMBERS WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL SERVICES DIVISION THAT CAN DO ALL OF THAT. THEY CAN DO MARKETING, THEY CAN DO SALES.

MATTER OF FACT, THIS MORNING, AUSTIN AND I WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NEXT THREE MONTHS, I GIVE THEM A LITTLE CHALLENGE.

SO I TOLD HIM, YOU KNOW, HE'S STILL ON PROBATION, SO HE BETTER.

[LAUGHTER] NO SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR, YES, WE LOOKED INTO ALL OF THAT.

WE SEE WE LOOK AT THE TRENDS IN THE INDUSTRY AND IF YOU KNOW, I KEEP PRETTY CLOSE COMMUNICATION WITH OTHER DIRECTORS FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS ASK THEM, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING THAT'S WORKING? I'M NOT COMPETING AGAINST YOU.

YOU'RE NOT COMPETING AGAINST ME.

SO WE JUST LET'S SHARE BEST PRACTICES.

SO IF WE SEE THAT SOMETHING IS WORKING IN ANOTHER CITY OR EVEN IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, WE IMPLEMENT IT. SO IT'S NOT JUST THE FACE TO FACE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF COVID WE'VE BEEN DOING USING SOCIAL MEDIA, WE'VE BEEN SENDING EMAILS, SENDING POSTCARDS.

SO WE'VE BEEN DOING ALL OF THOSE THINGS NOW THAT WE'RE KIND OF PAST COVID, WE WANT TO GO BACK TO JUST SHOWING OUR FACES AND THERE'S THIS THING ABOUT JUST JUST YOU MAKING A SALE IN PERSON AND BEING ABLE TO TELL SOMEONE FACE TO FACE, HEY, LISTEN, I CAN SAVE YOU MONEY IF YOU COME TO THE CITY OF GARLAND YOU REALLY FEEL THAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

IT'S MADE. YES, SIR.

IT'S MADE THE DIFFERENCE OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS.

FOR THE FIRST FOUR MONTHS OF THIS THIS YEAR, COMMERCIAL REVENUE HAS INCREASED BY CLOSE TO THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND ALREADY.

SO IT'S WORTH THE EFFORT, SIR.

EVEN IF WE HAD TO BRING IN A, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THESE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS, THESE DIFFERENT COMPANIES WHERE THEY COME IN AND THEY WERE THE SALES DEPARTMENT, THEIR MARKETING DEPARTMENT, AND WE COULD HAVE THEM FOR THREE MONTHS, MAYBE SIX MONTHS BUT YOU KNOW, I LIKE THIS CROSS TRAINING THAT YOU'RE DOING ALSO, BUT IT DOES SOUND LIKE YOU REALLY DO NEED TO INCREASE YOUR COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS, AND THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO GO ABOUT DOING IT. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE SUGGESTION.

THANK YOU. WE'LL LOOK INTO IT.

ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD.

WE HAVE CLEARED THE QUEUE.

I CAN'T IMAGINE ANOTHER CITY IN THIS METROPLEX THAT PUTS AS MUCH TIME, EFFORT AND THOUGHT INTO SANITATION THAN WE DO, AND I THINK THAT IS REFLECTIVE OF THE INCREDIBLE SERVICE THAT WE HAVE IN THIS CITY.

SO I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT YOU'VE TAKEN IN LOOKING INTO THIS AND AS MAYOR PRO TEM HEDRICK SAID, WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO WHAT WE NEED TO DO FROM A POLICY WISE OR SOMETHING TO SUPPORT THAT.

SO I THANK YOU FOR THAT AND I WILL SAY I'VE BEEN WORKING FROM HOME FROM THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, SO I AM HOME EVERY TUESDAY.

I'VE BEEN HOME EVERY TUESDAY FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF AND IT'S STILL IT'LL HAPPEN TOMORROW. I AM AMAZED AT THE ARMY OF PEOPLE THAT COME THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND PICKS UP CARTS AND BRUSH AND WHO KNOWS WHAT EVERY WEEK.

SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH AND I MEAN, THAT'S BECAUSE OF YOU.

YOU'RE THE BOARD. SO THIS IS YOUR DEPARTMENT, SO KUDOS TO YOU ALL.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR.

ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL. I KNOW WE'RE KIND OF CLOSE TO THE END OF OUR AGENDA, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE A BREAK.

LET'S HAVE EVERYBODY BACK AT 8:10.

WE WILL BE IN RECESS UNTIL 8:10.

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ALL RIGHT, WE ARE COMING BACK FROM RECESS.

WE ARE IN THE FEBRUARY 14, 2022 WORK SESSION FOR THE GARLAND CITY COUNCIL.

WE ARE COMING BACK TO ITEM 4G COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE REPORT.

[4G. Community Service Committee Report]

COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS YOU TO START US OFF.

SURE. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

WELL, I'M GOING TO HAVE URIEL MAKE THE PRESENTATION.

THIS WAS AN ITEM REFERRED BY COUNCILMAN SMITH AND IT IS LESS LENGTHY AND EXCUSE ME, [INAUDIBLE], BUT PROBABLY A LOT MORE ENTERTAINING AND FUN THAN THAN TALKING ABOUT RECYCLING. SO, SO WITH THAT, [INAUDIBLE] IF YOU WILL PRESENT IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR THE INTRODUCTION, CORRECT? LIKE COUNCILWOMAN, MORRIS SAYS THIS ITEM WAS REQUESTED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH, THE APRIL 2021 WORK SESSION.

WE TOOK IT TO THE DECEMBER 2021.

COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE AND IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO BE PRESENTED TO THE FULL COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL AND IMPLEMENTATION.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC TRACKING AND IDENTIFICATION OF SANITATION VEHICLES. SO THIS BASICALLY THE IDEA BEHIND IS IS WE WANTED TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO PROVIDE A SENSE OF OWNERSHIP AND SENSE OF PRIDE TO OUR DRIVERS SO THAT WHEN THEY'RE DRIVING AROUND, THINK OF THINK OF THOSE FIGHTER PILOTS, YOU KNOW, THOSE FIGHTER JETS THAT THEY HAVE THEIR NAME STENCILED NEAR THE COCKPIT.

SO OR GUYS ARE NOT DRIVING FIGHTER JETS, BUT THEY'RE AS ESSENTIAL AS THOSE.

SO SO THAT WAS THE IDEA BEHIND THIS TWO TO ONE FOR THE EMPLOYEES.

GIVE THEM THAT THE SENSE OF OWNERSHIP AND PRIDE, AND FOR THE CUSTOMERS TO HAVE AN ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO TRACK OUR VEHICLES AND SEE WHEN THEY'RE WHEN WE'RE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THE CURRENT CAPABILITIES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE INCLUDE THE LIFE VEHICLE TRACKING, THE ABILITY TO NAME THE VEHICLES AND ALSO THE ABILITY TO GIVE ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC.

AND IT'S EXTREMELY SIMPLE.

BASICALLY, YOU CAN ACCESS THE WEBSITE FROM YOUR PHONE OR ANY COMPUTER, AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE WEBSITE.

YOU GO TO THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT, THE SANITATION WEBSITE, YOU CLICK ON BRUSH AND BULKY GOODS, AND THEN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE AN ITEM THAT SAYS, TRACK MY COLLECTION VEHICLE.

WHEN YOU CLICK ON THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A MAP SIMILAR TO THIS.

SO WHEN I TOOK THE SCREENSHOT, THIS IS THIS ARE ALL THE TRUCKS THAT WERE WORKING AT THE TIME. THE COOL THING ABOUT THIS IS YOU CAN ACTUALLY ZOOM IN AND GET A STREET VIEW AND GET REAL TIME INFORMATION ON THAT TRUCK AS IT'S MOVING UP AND DOWN THE STREETS.

I WANTED TO SHOW A LIVE PRESENTATION OF THIS, BUT RIGHT NOW NONE OF OUR TRUCKS ARE WORKING, SO YOU WON'T EVEN BE ABLE TO SEE ANY OF THAT.

WHEN I PRESENTED IT TO THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE, I WAS ABLE TO DO THAT, SO THEY WERE ABLE TO ZOOM IN AND THIS IS THE VIEW THAT YOU GET VERY DETAILED.

SO BASICALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE OF THE TRUCK, THIS IS THE WAY IT'S GOING TO LOOK. THOSE ARE THE STICKERS BUT OBVIOUSLY, IF COUNCIL WANTS TO PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK ON THE DESIGN, THE COLORS, THE NAMES WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR YOUR FEEDBACK.

THE STAFF CAME UP WITH THIS NAMES.

ONCE AGAIN, WE WANTED TO, WE WANTED TO RECAPTURE THAT SENSE OF OWNERSHIP, THAT SENSE OF PRIDE OF HEY, THIS IS MY TRUCK.

I'M [INAUDIBLE].

AND LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE HAVE SOME OPTIONS FOR AS FAR AS GRAPHICS WITH THE FONTS, THE COLORS, THE SIZE.

AND FOR THE COST, THIS NUMBER IS ACTUALLY FOR THE TECHNOLOGY PACKAGE THAT WE'RE USING FOR THE VEHICLES THAT WE'RE TRACKING RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS ONLY THE REAR LOADERS WITHIN THE BRUSH AND BULKY DIVISION.

THE ACTUAL COST JUST FOR PROVIDING JEEPS AND LIVE SHARING.

IT'S ACTUALLY TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY TWO DOLLARS, OK.

THE CURRENT PACKAGE FOR SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY SIX DOLLARS INCLUDES DUAL FACING CAMERAS AND WE GOT THOSE BASICALLY FOR MULTIPLE REASONS.

ONE, ACCOUNTABILITY ON THE EMPLOYEES TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT TEXTING AND DRIVING.

TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THEY'RE GOING DOWN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT THEY'RE STOPPING AT EVERY STOP AND PICKING UP WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO COLLECT AND SO FAR, IT'S BEEN AMAZING.

I CAN TELL YOU, ALMOST THREE YEARS AGO WE USED TO.

WE HAVE WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE MISSED COLLECTION LIST AND BASICALLY, IF WE DON'T PICK UP YOUR TRASH, YOUR BRUSH AND BULKY, YOU CALL US AND YOU GET ADDED TO THAT LIST.

THREE YEARS AGO, IT WAS BETWEEN ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY AND TWO HUNDRED ON THAT LIST.

RIGHT NOW, WE'RE IN THE SINGLE DIGITS, SO WORTH THE MONEY, WITHOUT A DOUBT.

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THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL COST FOR LIFE SHARING AND FOR EVERY STICKER, THE COST IS FIFTEEN DOLLARS AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH.

THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU, [INAUDIBLE] AND I WANT TO JUST REITERATE SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST SAID, WHICH IS WE'RE ALREADY USING THIS TECHNOLOGY FOR THE PURPOSE OF STATED THE NAMING AND THE TRACKING, AND EVERYTHING WAS ALREADY BUILT INTO IT.

SO WE'RE NOT SPENDING A BUNCH OF EXTRA MONEY DOING THIS.

SO BEFORE ANYBODY STARTS BLOGGING, THIS WAS A EASY THING AND NOT A WASTE OF MONEY, BUT YOU KNOW, FROM THE CITIZEN SIDE OF THINGS, AS WE GO FORWARD AND WE TRY TO CREATE CITIZEN AMBASSADORS FOR THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE AS A CITY, YOU KNOW, CHARACTERIZATION AND [INAUDIBLE] EASY FOR ME TO SAY.

THOSE ARE HANDY TOOLS THAT ARE USED IN OTHER AREAS AND IN OTHER CITIES AND OTHER OTHER COUNTRIES AND THE IDEA WAS ORIGINALLY BROUGHT FORWARD BY COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN, WHO HAD NOTED, AND I'M GOING TO GET THIS WRONG.

I THINK SOMETHING ABOUT SNOWPLOWS IN ANOTHER CITY AND SO I'LL DEFER TO HIM TO KIND OF GET INTO THE BENEFITS OF THIS FROM THE CITIZEN PERSPECTIVE AS OPPOSED TO JUST FROM THE CITY PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU, SIR. COUNCILMAN AUSTIN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH, FOR REMEMBERING THE ORIGINS OF THAT. I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT PROGRAM AND AS COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH NOTED, THAT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY ADDITIONAL SIGNIFICANT OVERHEAD, I THINK THAT'S GOOD FROM A CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT STANDPOINT AND I THINK THE FIRST TIME THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. SO THE ORIGIN OF THIS IS IN SCOTLAND, THEY HAVE TRUCKS THAT DROP SAND SALT AND OTHER STUFF LIKE LIKE WE HAVE FOR THEORETICALLY HAVE AT LEAST FOR DEALING WITH SNOW AND THEY CALL THEM GRITTERS AND THEY HAD A WEBSITE THAT THEY PUT UP. THAT WAS IF YOU WANTED TO KNOW WHEN THE LAST TIME A GRITTER HAD COME BY OR WHERE IT WAS GOING OR WHEN IT WOULD COME BACK AGAIN, THAT YOU COULD GO ON THIS SITE AND YOU COULD FIND THEM AND THEN IT ALSO GAVE THE PUBLIC THE OPPORTUNITY TO NAME ALL OF THESE AND GETTING THAT KIND OF ENGAGEMENT, I THINK REALLY GETS.

I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE DRIVERS.

I THINK IT'S GOOD, GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC AND IT IS AN AMBASSADOR OR A PUBLIC RELATIONS THING. SO I'M GLAD THAT YOU ALL FIND A WAY TO DO IT.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NAMING THAT COULD GIVE A LOT OF PEOPLE A LOT OF PRIDE AND A LITTLE BIT OF FUN.

I WOULD. I DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS OF WHAT THE FONT SHOULD LOOK LIKE OR WHAT COLOR IT SHOULD BE, OR HOW BIG.

SO I BUT I DO APPRECIATE THAT IN THE PRESENTATION, ALTHOUGH I'D SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ALLOWING SOME OF THE ALLOWING SOME OF THE SCHOOLS TO ADOPT, YOU KNOW, ADOPT THE SANITATION VEHICLE AND LET THEM COME UP WITH A DESIGN AND PAINT IT OR DO WHATEVER IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DRIVERS AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT THING TO CONNECT KIND OF CONNECT COMMUNITY.

SO ANYWAY.

GREAT PROJECT. THANKS FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR FEEDBACK. VERY GOOD.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON OR POINTS ON THIS? I THINK IT'S GREAT. I THINK IT COULD BE A LOT OF FUN.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WE WILL HAVE A LOT OF FUN WITH IT.

DO I THINK THE COUNCIL SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN COLORS AND FONTS? NO. THIS COUNCIL ONCE ENGAGED IN A FOUR TO FIVE HOUR DISCUSSION ON A REFRIGERATOR MAGNET STYLE. SO I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE THIS DISCUSSION WILL HEAD.

SO I WILL LEAVE THAT TO YOU GUYS BUT I THINK IT WILL BE QUITE ENTERTAINING.

SO VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN. SORRY, I JUST, IN AN ACT OF COMEDY, PULLED UP SOME OF THE NAMES OF THE GRITTERS, WHICH ARE THINGS LIKE GRITTY, GRITTY, GRITTY, GRITTY BANG BANG.

I WANT TO BREAK FREE ICE BREAKER ICE DESTROYER.

YES, SIR, I CAN BOOGIE.

CHILI CONNELLY, BLIZZARD BEAR, DARTH SPREADER.

SO I THINK I THINK WE FOLLOW SOME OF THOSE IDEAS.

MAYBE. I THINK IT'LL BE A LOT OF FUN, AND I THINK IT'LL BRING SOME GOOD RECOGNITION TO OUR CITY AS WELL. THANK.

THANK YOU, SIR. VERY GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. PART TWO.

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TRASHY, COUNCIL LADY MORRIS, PART TWO.

YES, SIR, THANK YOU.

THIS WAS A REFERRAL BY COUNCILMAN VERA AND IT WAS ABOUT ANY KIND OF REGULATIONS FOR FOOD TRUCKS IN THE CITY, AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE PREPARATORY GROUND TO THAT.

WE WENT IN WITH THE CONCEPT THAT PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY IN THE CITY LOVES FOOD TRUCKS, INCLUDING ALL OF US ON COMMITTEE, EXCEPT PERHAPS NOT ONE VISITOR, BUT AND SO THE FIRST THING WE DID WAS ASK AND JIM [INAUDIBLE] WAS INVOLVED WITH THIS ASK FOR A COMPARISON OF WHATEVER REGULATIONS WE HAD, WHICH WERE ESSENTIALLY NONE WITH ALL OF OUR SISTER CITIES TO SEE JUST KIND OF WHERE WE WERE BY COMPARISON AND IN A VERY SIMILAR WAY TO THE LOW INCOME HOUSING NUMBERS, WE WERE WAY OUT OF SYNC WITH OUR SURROUNDING CITIES.

WE WERE KIND OF THE WILD WEST WITH NO RULES AND SO WE STARTED WITH THAT AND WORKED OVER A PERIOD OF MONTHS LOOKING FOR WAYS THAT WE COULD WITH A LIGHT TOUCH, BUT IN AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT COUNCILMAN VERA HAD HAD RAISED AND ALSO ONES THAT JIM [INAUDIBLE] AT THE TIME INDEPENDENTLY HAD RUN INTO.

SO JUST TO QUICKLY SAY SOME OF THOSE PROBLEMS INVOLVE FOOD TRUCKS JUST MOVING INTO VACANT AREAS WITHOUT PERMISSION AND KIND OF LIKE SQUATTING THERE, RIGGING ELECTRICAL DROPS THAT HAD LIVE WIRES PLUGGED IN TO THE OUTSIDE OF A UNUSED BUILDING, USING UP A LOT OF REQUIRED BY US PARKING SPACES FOR BUSINESSES.

AND SO MR. OAKS SAID IT WAS A GENUINE PROBLEM AND REQUESTED HELP WITH THAT.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED WITH THIS, AND I'M GOING TO ASK MR. ENGLAND TO GO AHEAD AND GO OVER WHAT THE RESULT WAS, BUT THAT WAS THE BACKGROUND TO THIS.

SO THANK YOU, BRYAN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME SPEAK ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE THIS EVENING.

PUT A COPY OF THE DRAFT ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF EACH OF YOU ALL, SO EACH ONE SHOULD HAVE A COPY. HARD COPY OF THE DRAFT ORDINANCE.

IF YOU DON'T, LET ME KNOW I'LL HAVE EXTRAS UP HERE.

I THINK THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS JUST GO THROUGH AND HIT THE HIGH POINTS OF THE ORDINANCE AND EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES.

THE ORDINANCE YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS AN ORDINANCE THAT REGULATES MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES, AND THOSE ARE DISTINCT FROM CATERING TRUCKS.

MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES ARE DEFINED BY OUR ORDINANCE AND BY STATE STATUTE, QUITE FRANKLY, AS VEHICLES WHERE FOOD IS COOKED, WRAPPED OR PACKAGED FOR SERVICE YOU WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH CATERING TRUCKS, YOU'RE DEALING WITH A DIFFERENT TYPE OF TRUCK AND THE CATERING TRUCKS, AS MOST OF YOU ARE AWARE, ARE VEHICLES IN WHICH THE FOOD IS PREPACKAGED AND IT IS DELIVERED TYPICALLY TO CONSTRUCTION SITES OR OTHER LOCATIONS.

BUT THE FOOD IS PREPARED OFF LOCATION AND THAT HAS BROUGHT IN TRANSPORTED TO THE ULTIMATE CONSUMER AT WHATEVER SITE THEY'RE LOCATED.

SO KEEP IN MIND, THE ORDINANCE THAT WE LOOK TO LOOK AT TONIGHT IS FOR MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES AND NOT CATERING TRUCKS.

ANOTHER POINT TO COVER IS THAT ALL MFP VEHICLES ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE FOOD SERVICE PERMITS, AND THAT'S BASICALLY ALL WE HAVE AT THIS POINT ARE WE REQUIRE THEM TO GO TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, GET A HEALTH PERMIT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STANDARD OF FOOD SERVICE IS UP TO STATE STANDARDS AND LOCAL STANDARDS AND ONCE THEY GET THE FOOD SERVICE PERMIT AND AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, THEY HAVE TO TELL THE LOCATION AND THE SCHEDULE ANTICIPATED SCHEDULE OF WHERE THEY'LL BE SERVICING, SERVING THE MEALS THAT THEY'LL BE PREPARING ON SITE. SO IT'S PART OF THE FOOD PERMITTING PROCESS.

THE VEHICLES ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE WRITTEN PERMISSION FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER TO OPERATE AND ALSO PROVIDE THE CITY WITH THE SCHEDULE OF ALL STOPS WHEN APPLYING FOR A FOOD SERVICE FOOD SERVICE PERMIT AND SO THIS IS REALLY THE SUMMARY OF WHAT WE REQUIRE RIGHT NOW FROM MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES AND CURRENTLY THERE ARE AROUND 70 VEHICLES WITH FOOD SERVICE PERMITS OPERATING IN THE CITY.

NOW THERE MAY BE MORE MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES OPERATING, BUT THERE ARE 70 THAT HAVE ACTUAL PERMITS HAVE COME BY THE OFFICE.

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AND AS I SAID EARLIER, OTHER THAN THE FOOD SERVICE PERMITS, THEY'RE GENERALLY NOT REGULATED. SO THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT YOU HAD BEFORE YOU HERE ARE THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS. SO I KIND OF WANT TO DISCUSS THIS IN TERMS OF GENERAL REQUIREMENTS AND THEN THE NEXT PAGE WILL DISCUSS WHAT THE CEO REQUIRES AND SO THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS KIND OF THE IT'S KIND OF THE MECHANISM THAT THE COMMITTEE PUT IN PLACE TO HELP REGULATE THE QUALITY TO HELP REGULATE THE MOBILE FOOD SERVICE VEHICLES CALLED MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES BECAUSE THE CONCERN IS, IS THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ASSETS OR WHO ACTUALLY CONTROLS OR WHAT THEY CAN DO IF SOMEONE WERE TO GET SICK AND SO THE IDEA WAS AT LEAST IF WE HAD SOMEBODY TO ATTACH, IF SOMEBODY SERVES BAD FOOD ON SOMEONE'S PROPERTY, AT LEAST WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WE THINK WILL HAVE SOME MORE ASSETS, POSSIBLY MORE INSURANCE, TO HELP COVER ANY KIND OF ANY KIND OF HARM THAT MAY COME TO A PATRON OF THESE AND SO THE IDEA WAS IF WE COULD TIE IT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, THEN IT MIGHT BE HELP.

IT MIGHT HELP ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.

SO HERE ARE THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS.

SO THESE REQUIREMENTS APPLY TO BOTH LOCATION THAT IS THE PROPERTY, THE UNDERLYING PROPERTY, AND ALSO SPECIAL PERMITS THAT ARE ISSUED BY THE CITY.

SO THEY MAY OR MAY NOT REQUIRE A CEO.

THE FIRST ONE IS UNDER THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE THE PRIVATE PROPERTY ON WHICH THE MFP VEHICLE IS OPERATING. IT HAS TO HAVE A CO AND THAT CO HAS TO REQUIRE HAS TO ALLOW THE USE OF THIS TYPE OF VEHICLE AND SO THAT CAN BE DONE ONE OF TWO WAYS IT CAN BE DONE THROUGH AN AMENDMENT TO THE CURRENT CO OR GET A BRAND NEW CO, AND THAT'S A POLICY DECISION THAT CAN BE MADE HOW. HOWEVER, IT'S PROBABLY EASIEST TO DO ADMINISTRATIVELY AND SO IT COULD BE JUST A RIDER ON THE BACK OF THE CURRENT CO THAT SAYS THEY CAN ALSO OPERATE THIS, AND WE'LL GO OVER IN THE NEXT SLIDE.

WHAT HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT GETTING THE CO UNDER THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE? THE OTHER OPTION IS ALSO HAVING A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT, AND THIS CAN APPLY TO BOTH PRIVATE AND PUBLIC PROPERTY.

NOW, THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HAVING A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT AND HAVING A CO IS THIS THAT SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT IS FOR TEMPORARY OCCURRENCES TO WHERE A CHURCH, FOR EXAMPLE, DECIDES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN EVENT ON A SATURDAY OR SUNDAY AFTERNOON, AND THEY WANT TO INVITE SEVERAL FOOD TRUCKS TO THEIR PROPERTY TO HAVE THIS EVENT, THEY CAN GET A SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT FROM THE CITY AND HAVE THAT WITHOUT CHANGING THEIR CO.

THEY CAN GET THE BUILDING INSPECTION DEPARTMENT WOULD LOOK AT THEIR APPLICATION, MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS AND ISSUE A SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT BASED ON THE APPLICATION.

AND ALSO, THE VEHICLES MAY ALSO OPERATE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY IF THEY HAVE BEEN ISSUED.

IT SAYS A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT THE WAY THE ORDINANCE ACTUALLY READS, AS IF THE GOVERNMENT BODY THAT ACTUALLY CONTROLS THE PROPERTY, IF THEY ISSUE A PERMIT OR GIVE THEM WRITTEN AUTHORIZATION TO OPERATE ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEN THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO IF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WANTED TO HOST AN EVENT ON ONE OF THEIR ON SCHOOL PROPERTY, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BRING IN PERMITS WITH A OR BRINGING TRUCKS WITH A WRITTEN AUTHORIZATION LETTER, WHETHER OR NOT THEY ACTUALLY ISSUED A PERMIT OR NOT, THAT'S UP TO THEM. SAME WITH THE CITY.

IF THE CITY WANTED TO HOST AN EVENT ON CITY PROPERTY ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, THEN THE CITY COULD DO THE SAME THING. THEY COULD EITHER ISSUE A PERMIT OR THEY CAN ISSUE A LETTER AUTHORIZING. AND OF COURSE, THEY'RE STILL REQUIRED TO HAVE EVEN WITH THE THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT OR WRITTEN AUTHORIZATION, THEY'RE STILL REQUIRED TO HAVE FOOD SERVICE PERMITS. ONE OF THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU SEE IN THE ORDINANCE IS THERE'S NO ONSITE DINING, AND THERE'S THE EXCEPTION IN THERE THAT UNLESS THE PERMIT STATES OTHERWISE OR UNLESS AN ORDINANCE STATES OTHERWISE.

AND SO IN THE SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE A ORDINANCE WHICH CURRENTLY THE THE GDC DOES NOT HAVE A LAND USE CATEGORY FOR A FOOD, MOBILE FOOD TRUCK, COURT OR PARK OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DESCRIBE IT. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL MAY WANT TO LOOK TO DO IN THE FUTURE. AND IF THEY DID THAT, THEN YOU COULD ACTUALLY HAVE ONSITE DINING AT ONE OF THESE COURTS, MOBILE FOOD COURTS OR MOBILE FOOD PARKS, IF THAT'S WHAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE ALLOWS. AND OF COURSE, YOU MUST HAVE WRITTEN PERMISSION FROM PROPERTY OWNER, AND THAT'S BOTH FOR THE CEO ROUTE OR THE SPECIAL PERMIT ROUTE.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE FROM SEVEN A.M.

TO ELEVEN P.M.

AGAIN A THE GDC COULD IF THE COUNCIL ELECTED IN THE FUTURE TO PASS AN ORDINANCE ALLOWING FOR THIS TYPE OF LAND USE BY ZONING RIGHT THEN THEY COULD EXPAND OR REDUCE THOSE HOURS.

BUT THE GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE HOURS OF OPERATION BY THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE ARE SEVEN A.M. TO ELEVEN P.M..

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NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY REQUIREMENTS.

THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE A SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT, YOU HAVE TO CONTACT THE LANDOWNER AND HAVE THE LANDOWNER COME TO THE CITY AND APPLY FOR A CO TO ALLOW FOR MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES TO OPERATE ON THE PREMISES.

AND THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CO.

IT CAN ONLY BE OPERATED AS A SECONDARY USE, AND SO IT CAN'T BE THAT THE ONLY THING THAT'S OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY IS A MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE, PARK OR COURT, UNLESS OF COURSE, IT'S BY ZONING.

AND SO IF YOU COME IN FOR A CO, THEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S YOU HAVE A PRIMARY USE ON THE LOCATION AND THAT IT'S AN ACT OF USE.

SECOND, THE SECOND POINT IS THE PROPERTY OWNER MUST HAVE MADE A SITE PLAN DEPICTING LOCATIONS FOR THE MFP VEHICLES ON THE SITE.

AND SO THE IDEA BEHIND THAT IS IF THERE'S A SITE PLAN, NOT EVERY SITE WOULD BE CONDUCIVE FOR A FOR A A FOOD VEHICLE.

IT MIGHT HAVE SOME PARK PARKING REQUIREMENTS, MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN, OR IT MIGHT JUST BE A BAD LOCATION BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. AND SO THE IDEA IS THAT WOULD COME IN.

THEY WOULD ISSUE A SITE PLAN TO GET A CO AND SHOW ON THE SITE PLAN.

THIS COULD BE THERE'S NO TECHNICAL REQUIREMENT HERE.

THIS COULD BE A HAND DRAWING.

IT COULD BE A GOOGLE MAP IMAGE WHERE THEY COME IN AND THEY HAVEN'T READ.

THIS IS WHERE I PROPOSE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO THREE FOUR.

HOWEVER, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, VEHICLES OPERATING AS A MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE. UNDER THE ORDINANCE, THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS MUST BE MAINTAINED.

AND SO IF THEY IF THEY ARE ALREADY AT THEIR MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND THEY DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR IT, THEN THEY WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR A CO.

AND THEN UNDER THE ORDINANCE, MAXIMUM OF FIVE DESIGNATED SPACES CAN BE DEDICATED TO THE MFP VEHICLES.

OOPS. AND MFP VEHICLES MAY ONLY OPERATE WITHIN 500 FEET OF AN OPENLY, PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE RESTROOM ON SITE, AND THAT JUST MEANS THAT THE RESTROOM HAS TO BE OPEN AT THE TIME THE VEHICLE IS OPERATING AND IT HAS TO BE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE.

IT'S GOT TO BE ON THE PREMISES IN WHICH THE VEHICLE IS LOCATED.

BUT I THINK WHAT THE WHAT THE COMMITTEE WAS TRYING TO AVOID IS A VEHICLE BEING PARKED NEXT DOOR ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY AND THEN THE STREAM OF CUSTOMERS LEAVING THE SITE AND GOING NEXT DOOR AND USING SOMEONE'S PUBLIC RESTROOM.

SO THE IDEA IS THAT THE OWNER HAS TO HAS TO BE INVOLVED IN THE OPERATION AND THEY HAVE TO BE WILLING TO OPEN UP HIS RESTROOM AT THE LOCATION, WHETHER IT'S CONVENIENCE STORE OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF RETAIL, OPEN THAT RESTROOM UP FOR THE PUBLIC USE.

AND THEN AND THAT'S THAT PARTICULAR POINT IS IN SEVERAL OTHER ORDINANCES AROUND THE METROPLEX. AND THEN, OF COURSE, MFP VEHICLES MAY NOT OPERATE WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE FRONT DOOR OF A RESTAURANT WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION FROM THE RESTAURANT OWNER OR MANAGER.

AND SO THAT, OF COURSE, IS ADDRESSING THE ISSUE OF WHERE THERE'S A RETAIL RESTAURANT RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO WHERE A PROPERTY OWNER HAS COME IN AND REQUESTED HIS CO.

AND IF IT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR, IT CAN'T BE MORE THEN OR CAN'T BE LESS THAN 200 FEET AWAY UNLESS YOU GET WRITTEN PERMISSION FROM THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR TO HAVE A MFP VEHICLE OPERATING ON YOUR LOCATION.

ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ORDINANCE? HANG ON A SECOND. MAYOR PRO TEM HEDRICK.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT SECTION F THAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT 200 FEET RULE.

HOW DID YOU DECIDE UPON OR HOW DID THE COMMITTEE DECIDE UPON THE 200 FEET? AND DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER EXAMPLES OF ANY ORDINANCES WHERE A NEIGHBORING NEIGHBOR CAN FLAT OUT DENY SOMETHING HAPPENING JUST BY DENYING THEIR WRITTEN PERMISSION? YES AND YES, THE 200 FEET I BELIEVE CAME FROM.

IT'S NOT AN EXACT AMOUNT THAT WAS SEEN IN ORDINANCES AROUND THE METROPLEX OR IN OTHER CITIES, BUT OTHER CITIES DO HAVE ORDINANCES LIKE THAT, AND IT WAS.

SOME ARE 300, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY SOME ARE 250, SOME ARE 200.

AND SO THE COMMITTEE SELECTED 200 BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE A REASONABLE AMOUNT.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT IN AN ORDINANCE AND WE DO HAVE ORDINANCES WHERE A NEIGHBOR CAN AFFECT WHAT CAN OCCUR AT SOMEBODY ELSE'S LOCATION, TATTOO PARLORS OR EXAMPLE OF THAT UNDER OUR UNDER OUR GDC, ALSO UNDER THE TABC SERVING ALCOHOL IF YOU'RE WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM. FROM A CHURCH, THEN THEY CAN ALSO THEY CAN ALSO OBJECT TO YOU SERVING ALCOHOL.

THEY CAN OBJECT, BUT THEY STILL DON'T REQUIRE WRITTEN PERMISSION FROM THEM LIKE THAT.

IT'S NOT QUITE THE SAME SITUATION IS THIS THOUGH? THERE ARE THERE ACTUALLY WITH ALCOHOL? FOR EXAMPLE, I'M THINKING DOWNTOWN SEVERAL SEVERAL OF OUR LOCATIONS THAT SERVE ALCOHOL

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HAD TO GET PERMISSION WHEN THE SCHOOL WAS DOWN HERE.

WHEN THE CHARTER SCHOOL, THEY HAD TO GET WRITTEN PERMISSION FROM THE CHARTER SCHOOL IN ORDER TO BE ISSUED A TABC PERMIT.

THAT PERMIT THAT SLIGHTLY, THIS IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, BUT [INAUDIBLE].

THAT'S AS LONG AS THEY MAINTAIN IT.

THEY ONLY HAVE TO ASK FOR PERMISSION ONCE.

IN THIS CASE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET PERMISSION EVERY TIME THEY HAVE AN EVENT IF IT'S TEMPORARY. OR IS IT.

IF IT'S A SPECIAL PERMIT? YES.

SPECIAL PERMIT OK, BUT NOT IF IT'S CO, THEN IT'S THAT'S OK.

THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, SIR.

COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. FOLLOWING ON MAYOR PRO TEM COMMENTS.

YEAH, I DON'T SEE THIS AS EQUIVALENT TO I MEAN, TATTOO PARLOR CAN COME TO US AND GET AN APPROVAL AND FOLKS HAVE TO SHOW UP TO OBJECT TO IT.

THEY DON'T GET A KING'S X, YOU DON'T GET A AND THIS IS NOT EVEN WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SERVING ALCOHOL.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT.

WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT DOING BUSINESS.

YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME IN NEXT TO MAIN STREET DELI AND THEY WANTED TO SELL TACOS, WE WOULD NOT GIVE THAT.

THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY, YOU CAN'T YOU, YOU CAN'T CONDUCT BUSINESS WITH, I'M A RESTAURANT. YOU CAN'T CONDUCT BUSINESS WITH IT WITHIN 200 FEET OF ME.

DO WE HAVE A MATRIX? DO YOU HAVE A MATRIX HANDY THAT SHOWS ALL THESE CITIES AND ALL THESE ORDINANCES? OR DID WAS THERE A MATRIX PRESENTED TO THE COMMITTEE? THERE WAS A MATRIX. I DO NOT HAVE THAT MATRIX.

OK, BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED.

SO DO ALL OF THESE CITIES HAVE THIS 250? THEY DO NOT. SO. SO I'M TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE COMMITTEE WAS WAS LOOKING LIKE.

I'M SURPRISED AT ANY CITY WOULD HAVE THAT.

BUT MY CONCERN, AND I KNOW THAT YOU DIDN'T DRAFT THIS ORDINANCE.

SO I MEAN, [INAUDIBLE] YOU DRAFTED IT? BUT THIS IS THE COMMITTEE, NOT YOU DID.

DID THE COMMITTEE BRING IN FOOD TRUCK OPERATORS OR SURVEY THE 70 FOOD TRUCK OPERATORS OR DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO. OK, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT I MEAN, I READ THIS AS EFFECTIVELY ELIMINATING FOOD TRUCKS IN GARLAND. I MEAN, WE CAN ALL SAY HOW MUCH YOU LOVE THEM OR THIS OR THAT.

BUT WHY WOULD YOU DO BUSINESS IN GARLAND? I MEAN, THESE ARE PRETTY ONEROUS IN MY MIND, PRETTY ONEROUS RESTRICTIONS.

AND YOU JUST GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND AT LEAST FOR ME, AND MAYBE THAT WASN'T THE INTENT.

I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M TELLING YOU SITTING FROM THE OUTSIDE AS I READ IT, I THINK THAT'S THE EFFECTIVE RESULT.

MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT WE DON'T HAVE INPUT FROM THE FOOD TRUCK OPERATORS AND IT KIND OF SURPRISES ME A BIT BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUTTING A FOOD TRUCK INTO COURT INTO [INAUDIBLE] PARK. I GUESS IT BETTER BE WITHIN 500 FEET OF A RESTROOM.

WE'RE PUTTING A WE WANT TO PUT A FOOD TRUCK CAUGHT INTO THE TENNIS CENTER.

I GUESS IT BETTER BE WITHIN 500 FEET OF THAT RESTROOM.

I MEAN, THESE JUST SEEM LIKE A SERIES OF IT SEEMS LIKE A SERIES OF RESTRICTIONS TO SOME OF WHICH THE PURPOSE IS TO SAY WE DON'T WANT FOOD TRUCKS AND GARLAND.

I MEAN, WE HAVE A COMMISSARY HERE.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALL THESE THINGS.

SO IT JUST MAYBE THAT WASN'T THE INTENTION, BUT THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT I FEEL THAT THIS IS THAT THIS IS HEADED.

AND I'D CERTAINLY LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE I MEAN, WE HAVE THE NAMES, RIGHT? THEY ALL HAVE PERMITS TO OPERATE IN GARLAND, RIGHT? YOU SAID THERE ARE 70 OF THEM.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE SOME DIFFICULT THING FOR US TO REACH OUT AND ASK THEM, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD THIS IMPACT YOUR BUSINESS? MAYBE THERE'D BE SUPPORT FOR SOME OF THESE, I DON'T KNOW.

OR MAYBE THERE OR PROBABLY MORE LIKELY YOU WOULD HAVE THOSE THAT WOULD FIND IT EASY TO COMPLY WITH THE STRICT WITH THE RESTRICTIONS WOULD BE VERY LIKELY TO CREATE BARRIERS FOR ENTRY TO OTHERS.

AND YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF THERE RESTAURANTS IN THIS TOWN THAT STARTED OUT AS FOOD TRUCKS AND IT'S A WAY TO BREAK DOWN.

IT'S A WAY TO BREAK DOWN BARRIERS TO ENTRY.

NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MAY BE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IT.

I'VE HEARD COMPLAINTS IN THE PAST FROM FOLKS WHO RUN RESTAURANTS, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN IN OTHER PLACES THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT THIS COMPETITION AND THEY JUST COME PARK ON THE STREET OR THIS OR THAT.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY CONSIDERATION AT ALL FOR THAT, BUT I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE PARTS OF THIS CITY THAT ARE EFFECTIVELY FOOD DESERTS, AND I'VE HAD MANY REQUESTS FROM PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THERE.

I MEAN, IF JUPITER AND MILLER HAD NOT BEEN A FOOD DESERT OVER THERE, WE MIGHT NOT MIGHT NOT HAVE LOST RAYTHEON.

AND CANDIDLY, THAT'S EXACTLY.

AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I'M MAKING UP.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT RAYTHEON CAME IN AND SAID TO US WHEN THE JOHNNY ROCKETS WAS COMING IN, THAT THE LACK OF FOOD OPTIONS.

SO I MEAN, I TEND TO GO THE OTHER WAY.

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I WOULD RATHER SEE US, AT LEAST IN SOME AREAS, CREATE FOOD TRUCK INCENTIVE ZONES WHERE WE INCENTIVIZE THESE MAYBE REDUCE FEES OR OTHER THINGS BECAUSE IT DOES.

IT DOES DRAW TRAFFIC AND IT CAN DRAW TRAFFIC TO SOME AREAS THAT OUR FOOD TRUCK DESERTS.

SO ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF WHERE THIS GOES, WHETHER I'M NOT TAKING A POSITION ON WHETHER IT SHOULD GO BACK TO COMMITTEE OR WHETHER WE SHOULD JUST DENY OR WHETHER IT SHOULD EDIT IT.

BUT I WANT TO HEAR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK, BUT THAT'S THAT'S MY CONCERN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

SIR. COUNCIL BASS.

YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

ACTUALLY, TO COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN POINT, I FEEL THE WAY THIS IS DRAFTED, IT IS DRAFTED TO APPLY TO AREAS THAT ARE FOOD DESERTS, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY AS A RESTAURANT OWNER MYSELF.

I DON'T THINK THAT THE 200 FEET FROM AN EXISTING RESTAURANT, I DON'T THINK THAT GOES FAR ENOUGH. AND I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN OR MAYOR PRO TEM HEDRICK, BUT SOMEBODY MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT RESTRICTING THE TACO SHOP GOING INTO NEXT DOOR TO MAIN STREET DELI. ACTUALLY, THERE ARE THINGS IN PLACE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN MY LEASE SOMEBODY ELSE CAN'T PUT ANOTHER BARBECUE RESTAURANT IN THE SAME AREA, ON THE SAME ON THE SAME PROPERTY.

SO YES, THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS IN THERE LIKE THAT, BUT THOSE WOULD BE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER THAT. THAT'S CORRECT. TO DO WITH THE CITY? WELL, NO. THE POINT WAS THAT.

WELL, BUT WE JUST RIGHT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE IN PLACE.

RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THE POINT IS THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS KEEPING LIKE BUSINESSES FROM MOVING NEXT DOOR TO LIKE BUSINESSES ALREADY, AND THOSE ARE THAT'S COMMONPLACE IN EVERY LEASE YOU HAVE. SO THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, IN THE MARKETPLACE, THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS LIKE THAT. HOWEVER, A FOOD TRUCK PULLING UP IN FRONT OF YOUR RESTAURANT, YOU WOULD HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT.

SO THAT'S WHY THERE DO NEED TO BE REGULATIONS IN PLACE BY THE CITY TO CONTROL THAT.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THE THE BENEFIT OF THEM IS TO ADDRESS AREAS WHERE THERE ARE FOOD DESERTS.

I THINK HAVING THEM IN AN AREA WHERE THERE'S NOT A FOOD DESERT DOESN'T SOLVE ANYTHING.

IT ACTUALLY IMPEDES ON BRICK AND MORTAR BUSINESSES.

THEY'RE RIGHT TO EARN THEIR BUSINESS.

YOU KNOW, WITH A FOOD TRUCK, SOMEONE'S NOT PAYING RENT FOR THAT SPOT.

THEY'RE JUST GET TO PULL UP WHEREVER THEY WANT.

HOW IS THAT FAIR TO THE PERSON PAYING RENT ON THAT BRICK AND MORTAR LOCATION? YOU KNOW, SO I THINK WE DO NEED TO SHOOT FOR A LEVEL OF FAIRNESS HERE.

AND YOU KNOW, I WOULD NOT OBJECT TO HEARING FROM FOOD TRUCK OWNERS, BUT ON THAT SAME SIDE OF THAT SAME COIN, YOU WOULD ALSO NEED TO HEAR FROM RESTAURANT OWNERS AS WELL.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. FIRST.

IF IT'S THE WILL AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE WILL IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE COUNTY.

THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT IT TO COUNCIL.

AND IF IT'S THE WISHES OF COUNCIL FOR THIS TO GO BACK IN COMMITTEE AND AND I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR OUR CHAIR LADY, BUT CERTAINLY OUR PROTOCOL IS IF THE WILL OF COUNCILORS IS FOR US TO GO BACK TO COMMITTEE AND TO REVIEW THIS POINT AND OTHER POINTS THAT WE'VE PRETTY MUCH ALWAYS DONE THAT.

SO THAT'S THAT'S NO BIGGIE.

WE CAN DO THAT. SECOND THING IS [INAUDIBLE] WHEN, AS I RECALL, WHEN COUNCILMAN VERA BROUGHT THIS TO US, YOU KNOW, THE INTENT TO THE COMMITTEE AND THE DISCUSSIONS FEEDBACK FROM HIM, YOU KNOW, AS EVEN AS CRAFTED, THE INTENT OF THIS IS NOT TO GET RID OF FOOD TRUCKS. IT'S NOT THAT WE AS A COMMITTEE AND I THINK COUNCILMAN BASS CAME TO A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AND OTHERS. THIS F THE IMPACT ON BRICK AND MORTAR FOOD ESTABLISHMENT.

WE DISCUSSED THAT EXTENSIVELY.

WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT ABOUT THAT AS A CONCERN AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY WE ASKED FOR INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING, WHAT THEIR BEST PRACTICES, HOW ARE THEY ADDRESSING THOSE AND AND CITY ATTORNEY PROVIDED US WITH INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT OTHER CITIES DONE. SO THIS IS CRAFTED IS IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE AS A CITY PULL OUT OF THE SKY AND SAID, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT IN GARLAND.

THESE ARE THE BEST. THESE ARE SOME OF THE PRACTICES AND WE LOOKED AT IT.

WE TALKED EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THAT.

THE THIRD THING IS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT GOING BACK TO COUNCILMAN VERA, YOU KNOW, WE WERE HAVING, YOU KNOW, FOOD TRUCK JUST POP UP, THEY WERE AND WE WERE EVEN INVOLVING OUR CODE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, AND THEY WERE VERY LIMITED IN OUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND WHAT THEY

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KNEW SO. SO WE WERE TRYING TO ADDRESS BOTH THE BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANTS TRYING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE WITH PUT SOME TOOLS FOR CODE, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

SO. SO F WAS A REFLECTION LIKE SAID CITY ATTORNEY, GAVE US [INAUDIBLE] SEVERAL EXISTING POLICIES OR PRACTICES THAT OTHER CITIES WITH A MULTIPLE RANGE OF DISTANCES AND WE CHOSE 200.

THERE'S NOTHING MAGICAL ABOUT THAT.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S 300.

BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS GOES BACK TO COUNCILMAN BASS POINT.

YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION CAME UP ABOUT HOW IS THIS GOING TO IMPACT BRICK AND MORTAR ESTABLISHED BUSINESSES.

NOW, IF IT'S AND SO IF IT'S THE WILL OF KIND OF COUNCIL, IF WE IF WE NEED TO, AS A COMMITTEE, HEAR FROM FOOD TRUCK OPERATORS, THEY HAVE NO NO ISSUE WITH THAT.

BUT COUNCIL MEMBER BASS BRINGS UP ANOTHER POINT.

OK, SO AS AS BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANT OWNERS, THEY'RE STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS TOO.

AND SO BUT WHATEVER THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE PASSED A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT IMPACT PEOPLE AND THE NUMBER OF TIMES WE DIDN'T GO OUT TO THOSE FOLKS WHO PRACTICE THAT TRADE AND SAY, LET'S HEAR FROM THOSE FOLKS FIRST. I MEAN, WE CAN DO THIS.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM AS A MEMBER.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

BUT WE HAVEN'T ALWAYS DONE THAT.

WE HAVEN'T ALWAYS AND WE MAKE DECISIONS ALL THE TIME THAT IMPACT DIFFERENT SPECIALISTS, DIFFERENT PROFESSIONALS, DIFFERENT BUSINESSES.

AND WE HAVE NOT GOING OUT FIRST AND BROUGHT THOSE BUSINESSES IN HERE AND WE'VE TAKEN ACTION. BUT, YOU KNOW, TO CONCLUDE WITH THIS, THAT'S THE REASON OUT OF OUT OF CONCERN.

AND WE PROBABLY SPENT PROBABLY MOST OF THE COMMITTEE'S TIME.

AND WITH THE CITY ATTORNEYS TALKING ABOUT THIS IMPACT BECAUSE MANY OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED THAT I RECEIVED ABOUT FOOD TRUCK CAME FROM OWNERS OF BRICK AND MORTAR BUSINESSES. SO WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THAT.

BUT WHATEVER THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL, IF THE COUNCIL WANT US TO GO BACK AND AND HEAR FROM FOLKS, BUT WE WOULD, I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE SOME EXTENSIVE THOUGHT ABOUT WHO ALL DO WE NEED TO HEAR FROM BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONLY THE FOOD TRUCK OPERATORS WHO ARE IMPACTED BY THIS. YOU KNOW, IT'S RESTAURANT OWNERS.

SO IF WE IF WE OPEN THAT DOOR, HOW WIDE DO WE WANT TO OPEN IT? YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE.

I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT THE COMMITTEE WENT THROUGH, AND THIS IS THE FIRST FIRST STEP HERE, BUT AS A THIS IS A WAS A REAL CONCERN AND OF A REAL CONSTITUENTS IN THIS TOWN.

AND SO MY CHALLENGE IS HOW WIDE DOES IT, IF THE COUNCIL WANT TO GO TO THAT DIRECTION? HOW WIDE DO YOU WANT THE COMMITTEE TO OPEN THE DOOR ON THIS? BECAUSE AGAIN, MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT I'VE GOTTEN ABOUT FOOD TRUCKS WHEN THEY POP UP AND I GOT THOSE COMPLAINTS FROM OWNERS AND OPERATORS OF BRICK AND MORTAR BUSINESSES.

AND I THINK THAT IT'S MORE THAN APPROPRIATE TO PUT THERE'S NOTHING MAGICAL ABOUT THE 200, BUT I THINK THAT THAT THIS PROVISION, THE INTENT OF IT SHOULD REMAIN IN WHATEVER ORDINANCE THAT WE COME UP WITH.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

BRYAN, CAN YOU GO BACK ON THE PRESENTATION TO WHAT WE REQUIRE RIGHT NOW, THE SUM TOTAL OF OUR REQUIREMENTS? IS THAT MAYBE? NO, BEFORE THAT.

HERE WE GO. IS THAT RIGHT HERE? IT'S THE FOURTH BULLET POINT.

OK. OK.

SO THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE WRITTEN PERMISSION FROM A PROPERTY OWNER TO OPERATE AND PROVIDE THE CITY WITH A SCHEDULE OF ALL STOPS WHEN APPLYING FOR A FOOD SERVICE PERMIT.

THIS IS PART OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED BECAUSE I WAS ASKING [INAUDIBLE], WHO CHECKS? WHO CHECKS THAT THEY HAVE WRITTEN PERMISSION FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER? WHO CHECKS THAT THEY ARE, THAT THE SCHEDULE OF STOPS THAT THEY HAVE PROVIDED IS ACTUALLY

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REAL? WHO GOES OUT THERE AND CHECKS? AND THE ANSWER WAS NOBODY.

IT'S NOT HAPPENING.

SO TO YOUR POINT, IF SOMEBODY IS BECOMES ILL, IF THEY JUST GO, THEY FILL IT ALL OUT TO BEGIN WITH AND THEN THEY JUST GO WHEREVER THEY WANT TO GO ON IMPULSE, WHICH IS THE WAY, IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF THE TRUCKS WORK.

IF SOMEBODY CALLS THEM UP, THEY JUST GO.

I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING BACK TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT EACH TIME AND CHANGING THEIR SCHEDULE. SO THIS WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT THERE'S THERE'S REALLY NOT WE ARE PROBABLY THE LEAST CHECKING CITY OUT OF ALL THE ONES THAT WE SAW ON THE CHARTS THAT THAT CAME AND SHOWED US COMPARISONS WITH THE RULES AND ALL THE OTHER CITIES.

SO I DON'T FEEL AND THE COMMITTEE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WAS A SUFFICIENT SAFEGUARD FOR ANYBODY, INCLUDING THE PEOPLE WHO EAT FROM THE TRUCKS, WHICH I DON'T KNOW ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE. I HAVE FREQUENTLY.

AND IT WASN'T AND IT WASN'T EASILY OVERSEEN BY US AS A CITY WITHOUT, I GUESS, ENDING, I GUESS ENDING CODE OUT ON A WILD GOOSE CHASE, TRYING TO CHECK AND SEE IF PEOPLE ARE WHERE THEY SAID THEY WOULD BE.

WE DON'T HAVE TIME AND STAFF FOR THAT.

SO THAT WAS PART OF THE WAY THIS WENT AND THE POINT ABOUT BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANTS AND HAVING THAT BE A SPECIAL CONSIDERATION SINCE YOU'RE BRINGING IN OR ALLOWING TO COME IN COMPETITORS IN THE FOOD MARKET WITH WHILE BRICK AND MORTAR HAD THEY HAVE A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS, THEY PAY PROPERTY TAXES, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF STAFF, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF INVESTMENTS IN OUR CITY, WHEREAS FOOD TRUCKS CAN COME AND GO.

SO AGAIN, IF IT IS THE WILL OF COUNCIL FOR US TO TAKE IT BACK, I WOULD NOT LIGHTLY OFFER TO OPEN THE DOORS TO HAVE TESTIMONY FROM EVERYBODY IN THE CITY.

BUT IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC ISSUES THAT COUNCIL FINDS PROBLEMATIC AND WANTS US TO GO BACK AND RECONSIDER. HAPPY TO DO THAT.

HAPPY TO DO THAT.

SO THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

AND MY COMMENTS MAY BE LENGTHY, SO I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE AND I HAVE SO MANY NOTES NOW I'M GOING TO TRY AND MAKE SOME SENSE OF THEM AND AND NOT GO OFF INTO LA LA LAND HERE.

THE PROBLEMS THAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR, THERE WAS A WISE COUNCILMAN FROM DISTRICT SEVEN, THE MAYOR PRO TEM PREDECESSOR THAT SAID, WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE? SO I ALWAYS LOOK AT THAT FIRST AND I SAY, OK, SO WHAT ARE THE PROBLEMS THAT I'VE HEARD LISTED SO FAR THAT THIS NEW LAW WOULD SOLVE? THE FIRST PROBLEM THAT WAS PRESENTED WAS WE HAVE PEOPLE SQUATTING ESSENTIALLY, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT ALREADY ILLEGAL OR COULDN'T BE HANDLED IN A CIVIL WAY.

I'M NOT SURE WHY WE NEED TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT.

YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY SETS UP A T-SHIRT STAND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.

YOU KNOW, THE OWNERS CALL THE COPS AND WE RUN THEM OFF.

AND SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED MORE LAW TO ADD TO LAW THAT'S ALREADY KIND OF IN PLACE THE ELECTRICAL THING. I MEAN, MAKING UNPERMITTED CHANGES TO TO ELECTRICAL WIRES IN A PROPERTY AS ALREADY HAS ITS PENALTIES OTHER THAN BEING A REALLY STUPID IDEA.

THIS IS, YOU KNOW, FOOD TRUCK WON'T BE AROUND FOR LONG BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO ELECTROCUTE THEMSELVES.

SO THE TWO PROBLEMS THAT HAVE STUCK WITH ME THAT I THINK ARE VALID COMPLAINTS ARE VERIFYING THAT MINIMUM PARKING IS COVERED.

AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAVE A LOT IS THAT WE'RE OVER PARKED AS A CITY ANYWAY. AND SO I THINK THAT'S LESS OF AN ISSUE.

BUT I'M OPEN TO THAT DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CLAIMING AUXILIARY VEHICLES IN A PLACE THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE A MAJOR ISSUE.

SO THAT'S FAIR. THE OTHER PIECE IS AND COUNCIL MEMBER BASS, I'M GOING TO USE YOUR RESTAURANT AS AN EXAMPLE, BECAUSE YOU'VE OFFERED IT UP JUST BECAUSE IT'S CONVENIENT, OK, IF YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY COMING INTO THE PARKING LOT WHERE YOU OPERATE YOUR BUSINESS AND THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.

LET'S SAY THEY'RE SERVING BARBECUE OUT OF A FOOD TRUCK, THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THAT DON'T HAVE THE OWNER'S PERMISSION.

THERE'S A VIOLATION THERE.

THEN I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A THAT'S A SORT OF A CRIMINAL TRESPASS ISSUE.

OR YOU CAN CALL YOUR YOUR PROPERTY OWNER AND HAVE THEM HAVE THOSE FOLKS REMOVED.

AND SO AGAIN, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT THAT MARKET REGULATION IS MORPHING INTO

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GOVERNMENTAL REGULATION AND WHERE MARKET REGULATION IS SOMETHING THAT'S EASY AND FLEXIBLE AND AGREED TO AMONG THE PARTIES THAT ARE DOING BUSINESS.

I DON'T THINK THE HEAVY HANDED GOVERNMENT APPROACH IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO HERE.

I MEAN, WE WE HAVE AN OSTENSIBLY FREE MARKET AND COMPETITION IS COMPETITION.

AND IF YOU OPT INTO RUNNING A FOOD TRUCK, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE ISSUES THAT FOOD TRUCK OWNERS HAVE. YOUR TRUCK COULD BREAK DOWN AND YOU MAKE NO MONEY THAT DAY.

YOUR TRUCK COULD GET STOLEN.

IT COULD GET BROKEN INTO.

YOU DON'T HAVE ROOM TO EXPAND.

YOU'RE LIMITED TO TWO OR THREE PEOPLE IN THERE, SO YOU CAN'T SCALE.

YOU'VE MADE THAT DECISION AS A FOOD TRUCK OPERATOR TO ACCEPT THE GOOD PARTS AND THE BAD PARTS. THE SAME IS IF YOU RUN A BRICK AND MORTAR STORE.

AND SO I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT US INSERTING OURSELVES INTO IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO GROUPS OF FOLKS WHO HAVE CHOSEN TO TAKE THOSE RISKS AND COMPETE IN THE FOOD SERVICE SPACE.

AND SO WHEN I READ THE ORDINANCE, THAT'S GOING TO BE MY PRIMARY CONCERN.

ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S GET INTO THE ORDINANCE ITSELF AND BRYAN, YOU DID A GREAT JOB DRAFTING THIS, AS ALWAYS, AND ANY ISSUES I HAVE WITH HERE, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE JUST THE GUY THAT WROTE IT DOWN. SO BEAR WITH ME.

BEAR WITH ME. PRIVATE PROPERTY, THE REQUIREMENTS.

PRIVATE PROPERTY, THAT SECTION ONE FIRST PAGE.

WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE WE'RE FLIPPING FROM IMPLICITLY ALLOWING FOOD TRUCKS AND COMMERCIAL RETAIL AREAS TO IMPLICITLY DENYING THEM BECAUSE WE'RE CHANGING WHAT ACO IS GOOD FOR. ARE WE ALLOWED TO RETROACTIVELY APPLY THOSE RESTRICTIONS TO COS THAT EXIST TODAY LEGALLY? AND THE SECOND PART OF THAT QUESTION, I THOUGHT MOST COS INVOLVED THINGS THAT HAPPEN BETWEEN THE FOUR WALLS OF THE BUSINESS AND NOT NECESSARILY OUT IN THE PARKING LOT.

CAN YOU ADDRESS BOTH OF THOSE CONCERNS? COS DO ADDRESS BOTH WHAT HAPPENS IN THE WITHIN THE STRUCTURE OF THE PROPERTY AND WITHIN THE PROPERTY ITSELF. PARKING REQUIREMENTS IS THE ONE THAT COMES TO MIND JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. WE DO NOT ISSUE A CO FOR A LOCATION UNLESS THE BUILDING INSPECTION HAS SEEN.

THE SITE PLAN HAS GONE OUT TO THE SITE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE PARKING AND THEN THEY'LL ISSUE THAT FINAL CO ONCE THEY'VE MADE THAT.

THEY ALSO TAKE LANDSCAPING INTO CONSIDERATION, MAKE SURE THAT THEIR LANDSCAPING IS ACTUALLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE GDC AND SO YES, COS THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED, THEY TAKE BOTH WHAT HAPPENS INSIDE A STRUCTURE AND OUTSIDE THE STRUCTURE BEFORE THEY ISSUE THE CO.

IN REGARD TO IN REGARD TO THE EXISTING USES, AND I MAY BE CONFLATING ZONING WITH CO AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LAWS THAT APPLY TO ZONING THAT DON'T ALLOW YOU TO TAKE AWAY RIGHTS THAT ARE VESTED WOULDN'T APPLY TO A CO LIKE THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF RIGHT NOW YOU WENT IN AND YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL RETAIL SPACE AND FOOD TRUCKS WERE ALLOWED ALL ALONG. ARE WE ALLOWED TO ADMINISTRATIVELY CHANGE COS TO EFFECTIVELY TAKE AWAY THAT RIGHT? IS THAT IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO BY LAW? THE LANDOWNER HASN'T RECEIVED AN EXPRESS RIGHT OR PROPERTY RIGHT TO OPERATE A FOOD TRUCK IF THAT'S NOT BEEN PART OF THEIR BUSINESS, BUSINESS MODEL.

NOW IN REGARD TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE LAWFULLY OPERATING ONE CURRENTLY LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S TAKE AN EXAMPLE OF [INAUDIBLE] MALL, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THERE'S FOUR OR FIVE THAT OPERATE THERE.

IT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION.

IF THE LANDOWNER CAME BACK AND SAID, YOU KNOW, I HAVE AN EXISTING RIGHT TO OPERATE THIS, MY RIGHTS VESTED.

AND SO THEREFORE, SINCE THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE, LET'S SAY, 2005 OR WHENEVER IT HAPPENED, WE'LL SAY 2005 AS AN EXAMPLE, THEN I THINK THAT, YEAH, THEY PROBABLY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD CASE FOR A VESTED RIGHTS.

IF THAT'S WHAT IF THAT WAS THEIR CLAIM, THEY COULD POSSIBLY CLAIM A VESTED RIGHT INTO ALLOWING THAT TO HAPPEN UNDER THE OLD REGULATIONS.

OK, SO IF ANYBODY'S TAKING NOTES ON THIS, IF THIS, IF THIS DOESN'T GO GOING BACK TO COMMITTEE, THAT'S THAT'S A CONCERN.

I THINK WHERE WE SAY THAT SUDDENLY NOBODY'S COS ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE FOOD TRUCKS OPERATE IS THE WRONG WAY TO GO, AND I WOULD SAY THAT IF WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT GOING FORWARD, THAT'S FINE. BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE CHANGING OUR RULES ON PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE BEEN IN THE SAME SPOT FOR 50 YEARS AND DOING BUSINESS JUST FINE.

CAN I ABSOLUTELY JUMP IN THERE? LET ME AS I'M THINKING THROUGH YOUR QUESTION.

YEAH, IT WOULD BE QUESTIONABLE WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPERTY OWNER HIMSELF IN THESE SITUATIONS HAS A VESTED RIGHT, THOUGH, BECAUSE I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY AND THAT COULD BE WRONG. THERE MIGHT BE PROPERTY OWNERS OUT THERE THAT ARE CHARGING LICENSES OR LEASE SPACES FOR THIS, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY RECEIVING SOME BENEFIT FOR THESE [INAUDIBLE] USUALLY. TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS, IT'S THE FOOD TRUCK OPERATOR SHOWING UP ON SITE, AND THEY'RE THE ONLY ONE ACTUALLY RECEIVING A BENEFIT IN TERMS OF THE MONETARY BENEFIT OR

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COMPENSATION OR CONSIDERATION FOR WHAT'S FOR THEIR SERVICES ON SITE.

SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A CASE BY CASE ANALYSIS.

IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THERE'S A CASE OUT THERE WHERE A PROPERTY OWNER COULD CLAIM A VESTED RIGHT? YES, BUT I DOUBT THERE'S MANY IN GARLAND THAT HAVE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S USUALLY NOT THE TRANSACTION WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE.

OK.

BUT HAVING SAID THAT, IT COULD EASILY, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD COME TO ME WITH FACTS AND SAY, LISTEN, I'VE HAD THIS LICENSE OR THIS LEASE AND FOR THIS OPERATION GOING ON BETWEEN ME AND THESE FOUR TRUCKS FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS.

AND THIS ORDINANCE, IF YOU PASS THIS ORDINANCE AND YOU TRY TO IMPOSE THE REGULATIONS AND THE TERMS OF THIS ORDINANCE ON ME, THEN YOU'RE TAKING AWAY SOME PROPERTY INTEREST.

YEAH, THAT COULD HAPPEN.

SURE. I'LL SAVE THE REST OF MY QUESTIONS ALONG THAT LINE FOR.

AN OFFLINE DISCUSSION.

I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK OF YOUTH BEVERAGE STANDS IN OUR PUBLIC AREAS FROM THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE THIS LAST TIME AROUND, OR MAYBE IT WAS TWO TIMES AGO, I DON'T RECALL.

LEMONADE STANDS AS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE? YOUTH BEVERAGE STANDS RIGHT.

I'M USING THE STATE'S TERMS. AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS THEY'VE PRETTY CLEARLY STATED THAT THEY WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE A RIGHT TO GO INTO OUR PUBLIC SPACES COMMERCIALLY AND MAKE MONEY FOR WHATEVER REASON.

DOES ANY OF THIS RUN AFOUL WITH ANY OF THAT? NO. OK. STILL GOING THROUGH THE NOTES, MAYOR SORRY.

IN COUNCIL MEMBER, AUBIN ADDRESSED MY ISSUE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT WE'RE BUILDING PUBLIC AMENITIES WITH FOOD TRUCK COURTS.

AND IF THEY'RE I'LL LET THAT GO.

CAN I COMMENT ON THAT? THAT WAS ACTUALLY A GOOD POINT, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS BECAUSE COUNCILMAN AUBIN DID MENTION MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING PROACTIVELY WE CAN DO TO INCENTIVIZE THESE TYPES OF BUSINESSES.

ONE OF THE THINGS THE COUNCIL COULD CONSIDER DOING IN THE FUTURE IS, LIKE I SAID, ADDING A LAND USE FOR A MOBILE FOOD FOOD TRUCK COURT.

WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE THAT IN OUR LAND USE CHART, AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIAL PROVISIONS IN THE GDC THAT ALLOWS THAT PARTICULAR TYPE OF LAND USE.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL COULD DO PROACTIVELY.

WILL IT BE SIMILAR TO A BIZARRE OR A FLEA MARKET TYPE? ACTUALLY I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CHAIRWOMAN IF SHE'S SO INCLINED.

GO AHEAD. NO, HANG ON, SORRY, FOLKS.

I JUST DID IT TO TEST YOUR TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE SYSTEM HERE.

I'LL GET THE QUESTION OUT AND THEN IF WE NEED TO SWITCH MICS OR WE CAN.

CHAIRWOMAN MORRIS YOU AND I WORKED ON A [INAUDIBLE] PROGRAM AT THE HEIGHT OF COVID, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALIZED WAS THAT ON SITE EXTERIOR DINING IN A PRIVATE LOT WAS A VERY, VERY MUCH A DESIRED FEATURE.

AND THAT'S A DESIRED FEATURE, CERTAINLY FOR BRICK AND MORTAR.

AND I WAS CURIOUS IF THE COMMITTEE HAD CONSIDERED THAT IN THEIR DISCUSSION OF 0.4, WHICH IS ON SITE DINING AND AND IF THERE WAS ANY CONVERSATION AROUND THAT OR ANY THOUGHTS THAT YOU COULD SHARE WITH ME ON IT? WE DID CONSIDER THAT.

AND AND I WILL SAY, FRANKLY, THE RESTRICTION AGAINST ON SITE DINING WAS WAS NOT ONE THAT I PERSONALLY PREFERRED.

SO I WOULD BE ENTIRELY OPEN TO HAVING THAT STRICKEN.

BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMITTEE FELT THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE.

I HAVE SEEN IT.

I WAS GOING TO SAY IN MY DISTRICT, BUT ACTUALLY IT'S IN YOURS.

[INAUDIBLE]. THERE'S A TIRE PLACE THAT ALWAYS HAS A FOOD TRUCK THERE AND THEY HAVE PICNIC TABLES, AND I DON'T REALLY SEE THE POINT OF DENYING THAT.

YEAH. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.

IT DOES. THANK YOU, MA'AM. OK, SO AGAIN, FOR ANYBODY TAKING NOTES, I'D LOVE TO SEE THE ONSITE DINING STRICKEN BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR BRICK AND MORTAR AND FOR FOOD TRUCKS, PERSONALLY.

I KNOW THAT MAY PLAY INTO THE PARKING DISCUSSION A LITTLE BIT.

AND SO MAYBE THERE'S A, IF THE ON SITE DINING WERE WRAPPED INTO THE MINIMUM PARKING DISCUSSION, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE A CASE FOR IT THERE.

POINTS FIVE AND SIX.

SORRY, BRYAN THIS YOU AGAIN.

IS THERE A LEGAL EQUIVALENT FOR THESE TWO THINGS FOR BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANTS? THE RECORD RETENTION AND HOURS OF OPERATION.

YES, SIR. RECORD RETENTION THAT IS TYPICALLY DONE FOR SERVICES THAT YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT I THINK MAYBE OUR HEALTH OR HEALTH PERSON, I DON'T KNOW TO

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BE HONEST WITH YOU. I KNOW, I WAS GOING TO GET JASON DOWN HERE.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE REQUIRE OF OUR BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANTS AS FAR AS RECORD RETENTION AND HEALTH FOR HEALTH REGULATION PURPOSES.

AND SO JASON MAY BE ABLE TO HELP WITH THAT.

FOR THE MOST PART, THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR RECORDS RETENTION FOR BRICK AND MORTAR IN THE HEALTH CODE. NOW, THE FEW EXCEPTIONS FOR OYSTERS, SHELLFISH, THAT SORT OF THING.

THERE ARE SPECIFIC RECORDS RETENTION, AND THERE MAY BE OTHER EXAMPLES THAT AREN'T IMMEDIATELY COMING TO MIND, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, ONLY TO THE DEGREE THAT WE CAN TRACE THE SOURCE OF THE FOOD BACK.

OK. OK, SO.

AND ON THAT NOTE, I'LL SAY THIS THAT I THINK THE GENESIS OF THAT PARTICULAR PROVISION IS ACTUALLY IN THE TEXAS FOOD ESTABLISHMENT RULES FOR MOBILE TRUCKS.

I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE JUST PULLED OVER FROM STATE LAW.

IT'S PART OF THE IT'S PART OF THE SECTION THAT WE'VE AMENDED, BUT IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT RULES FOR MOBILE TRUCKS, FOR MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES. OK, SO IF WE WERE TO PASS THE FINAL ORDINANCE FORM, WE WOULD JUST REFER TO STATE LAW AS OPPOSED TO REPRINTING THAT STATE LAW HERE, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, IF THEY CHANGE STATE LAW, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH THAT.

RIGHT. YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT.

IT'S KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE IS LOCATED IN THE SECTION OF OUR ORDINANCES THAT IS THAT ARE AMENDMENTS MADE TO THE TEXAS FOOD ESTABLISHMENT RULES.

AND SOMETIMES IT'S EASIER TO AMEND THOSE IN LARGE SWATHS SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO IN AND PIECEMEAL IT TOGETHER WHERE IT'S HARD TO READ IN OUR AMENDMENTS.

AND SO I'LL LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF IT'S IN THERE THE WAY I REMEMBER, THEN YES, I'LL JUST REMOVE IT OUT OF THERE AND WE'LL JUST REFER TO STATE LAW ON IT.

AND BASICALLY, MY POINT IS I DON'T FEEL WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING THAT STATE LAW DOESN'T MANDATE THAT PUTS BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANTS EITHER AHEAD OR BEHIND OF A MOBILE FOOD TRUCK. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEA.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING IMBALANCES AND CREATING AN UNFAIR MARKET JUST TO CATER TO A PARTICULAR BUSINESS THAT WE'RE WE'RE JUST WE'RE HOLDING PEOPLE TO THE SAME STANDARDS IF WE CAN.

ONE OF THE ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS OR ADOPTION, ONE OF THE ARTICLES THAT WE ADOPTED OUT OF STATE LAW INTO THE INTO OUR ORDINANCE WAS THIS IDEA OF A CENTRAL FOOD PREPARATION FACILITY TO WHERE EACH MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION TRUCK HAS TO BE TIED TO THIS CENTRAL FOOD PREPARATION FACILITY.

AND SO THE IDEA IS, I THINK, WITH THE [INAUDIBLE] ATTENTION OF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WANTS TO COME IN AND TRACK WHERE BECAUSE SOMEBODY GETS SICK OR IF THERE'S AN OUTBREAK OF SOME KIND, THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO TRACK WHERE THE FOOD CAME FROM, WHERE IT STARTED AND WHERE THE FOOD WAS PREPARED OFFSITE.

AND WHEN I SAY PREPARED, I DON'T MEAN COOKED.

I MEAN WHERE THE INGREDIENTS CAME FROM AND MR. [INAUDIBLE]. HAVE WE HAD THOSE TYPES OF INCIDENTS REPORTED AND COMPLAINTS? I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER TIME FRAME YOUR MEMORY WILL SERVE.

COMPLAINTS? YES.

SUBSTANTIATED FOODBORNE ILLNESS FROM FOOD TRUCKS.

NOT IN MY TIME.

I CAN ONLY THINK OF A COUPLE OF SUBSTANTIATED FOODBORNE ILLNESS OUTBREAKS, AND THOSE WERE ASSOCIATED WITH BRICK AND MORTAR ESTABLISHMENTS.

OK, SO IT'S A PROTECTIVE PIECE, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'VE NEEDED THAT WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD THAT TOOL. IT JUST HASN'T PRESENTED ITSELF AS A PROBLEM SO FAR.

YES, SIR. VERY GOOD.

OK. AND I GUESS SIMILAR QUESTIONS ON PART SIX OF SETTING ASIDE NOISE ORDINANCES BECAUSE I KNOW THOSE, IF THEY'RE RUNNING ON GENERATOR, THOSE CAN BE FAIRLY LOUD.

BUT I KNOW THAT THAT NOISE POLLUTION IS ALREADY DEFINABLE OFFENSE UNDER OTHER LAW.

ARE THERE OTHER RESTRICTIONS ON BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANTS, AS DESCRIBED IN HOURS OF OPERATION PART SIX? HMM. NOT FOR RETAIL THAT I CAN THINK OF, I MAY BE WRONG ABOUT THAT.

I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.

I THINK THE IDEA, I THINK THE REAL IDEA HERE WAS TO WAS ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC RESTROOM.

IT WAS PART OF THE WAS PART OF THE ONE OF THE ELEMENTS GOING INTO.

THIS IS THE FACT THAT IF THE BRICK AND MORTAR STORE ISN'T OPEN, THEN THE FOOD TRUCKS TIED TO THE PROPERTY.

AND SO IF THERE'S NOT AN ACCESS TO PUBLIC RESTROOM, A PUBLIC RESTROOM FACILITY, WHICH IS VERY COMMON AMONG ALL THE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE ORDINANCES THAT REGULATE FOOD TRUCKS, I THINK THAT WAS KIND OF THE IDEA, BUT ALSO THE NOISE BECAUSE OF THE GENERATORS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH FOOD TRUCKS.

THAT WAS ALSO PART OF THE COMMITTEE'S CONSIDERATION IN THIS.

AND IT ALSO SEEMS THAT ON SITE DINING AND IN RESTROOM AVAILABILITY WOULD BE TIED TOGETHER AS WELL. BECAUSE I'M THINKING BACK TO COVID, WE HAD A LOT OF RESTAURANTS THAT HAD CLOSED THEIR LOBBIES BUT LEFT THEIR DRIVE THRUS OPEN, AND OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE

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BATHROOMS. AND SO YOU DROVE THROUGH, YOU GOT YOUR FOOD AND YOU LEFT.

AND SO IF THE IF THE COMMITTEE TAKES US UP AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO SEE ONSITE DINING AND RESTROOM AVAILABILITY TIED TOGETHER.

BECAUSE IF YOU IF YOU HAVE THE ON SITE DINING, THEN YOU NEED THE RESTROOMS AVAILABLE AND THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD. THAT PUTS IT ON THE SAME LEVEL AS BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANTS TODAY.

JUST RUNNING THROUGH HERE. AS FAR AS THE THE LIST OF STOPS.

I THINK THAT GOES BACK TO MY INITIAL ISSUE, WHERE AS LONG AS THEY HAVE PERMISSION FROM THE OWNER TO BE THERE, I DON'T CARE IF WE KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE AS LONG AS WE CAN MEET UP IN A MUTUALLY CONVENIENT PLACE TO DO THE ANNUAL HEALTH INSPECTION.

WE DON'T NEED TO TRACK THESE PEOPLE.

I MEAN, MY THE FOLKS WHO MOW MY LAWN DON'T HAVE TO REGISTER WITH THE CITY AND TELL THE CITY WHERE ALL OF THEIR LAWN MOWING STOPS ARE.

AND SO I DON'T SEE MUCH OF A POINT IN THAT.

THAT IS ACTUALLY A CARRYOVER FROM THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.

YEAH, BECAUSE THE CURRENT WORK BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE CURRENT ORDINANCE ISN'T TIED TO ANY PARTICULAR LOCATION IN THIS CASE, WE WOULD HAVE A LIST OF LOCATIONS WHERE FOOD TRUCKS ARE ALLOWED TO OPERATE.

AND ASSUMING THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPTED THAT PORTION OF THE ORDINANCE, WHICH REQUIRES THE CO. AND SO WE WOULD HAVE A LIST OF LOCATIONS.

SO IF A HEALTH INSPECTOR OR A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WAS DRIVING BY A LOCATION AND SAW A FOOD TRUCK OPERATING AND HAD HAD ACCESS TO THAT DATABASE THAT SHOWS, OK, THESE ARE THE ADDRESSES OR THEY JUST KNOW BECAUSE THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH THEIR JOB.

THEY KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT ONE OF THE LOCATIONS THAT HAS BEEN AUTHORIZED TO OPERATE FOOD TRUCKS, THEN I THINK THAT'S THE POINT OF HOW DO WE TRACK DOWN WHERE THESE THESE WHERE THE FOOD TRUCKS ARE OPERATING IN CASE THERE'S A PROBLEM, IF WE HAVE A LIST AND WE KNOW THAT, OK, THEY'RE GOING TO BE AT SOME PLACE IN THE CITY THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED FOR OPERATION, IT WAS THE IDEA. OK, ONE OTHER QUESTION, AND NOW I CAN'T FIND IT AT ALL.

AM I SCRIBBLING? SO I WILL HAVE TO LET THAT GO FOR NOW.

LET ME SUM UP. WE ARE A FOOD FRIENDLY CITY.

WE HAVE PUT QUITE A BIT OF RESOURCES IN OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PATH TO MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WE'RE FOOD FRIENDLY CITY.

AND I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT THIS ORDINANCE SAYS, WELL, THIS GROUP OF BUSINESSES HAS BEEN REALLY SUCCESSFUL AND ANOTHER GROUP OF OUR BUSINESSES DON'T LIKE THAT.

AND THERE ARE SOME LEGITIMATE CONCERNS.

YOU KNOW, THE SQUATTING ISSUES, THE HEY, DO YOU HAVE PERMISSION TO BE OPERATING ON THE PROPERTY? AND I'M FINE WITH SOME REASONABLE LIGHT TOUCH REGULATION THAT ADDRESSES THAT IF SOMEBODY'S GOT 10 PARKING SPACES AND FOOD TRUCKS ARE TAKING UP NINE OF THEM.

YEAH, THAT'S A PROBLEM.

THAT'S A PROBLEM. AND WE HAVE THESE GDC RULES IN THERE FOR A REASON, BUT THAT'S A PROBLEM THAT WE SHOULD BE TAKING UP WITH THE OWNERS OF THOSE PROPERTIES.

AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE PENALIZING THOSE BUSINESSES.

FOOD TRUCKS BY IN LARGE, THEY GET A LOT OF PEOPLE THROUGH THE PANDEMIC.

THEY REALLY DID, BOTH FROM A SUPPLY SIDE AND A BUSINESS SIDE.

I SAW A LOT OF NEW FOOD TRUCKS POP UP, AND I'M VERY, VERY PROUD THAT THEY'VE CHOSEN GARLAND TO OPERATE IT.

I'VE GOTTEN THE CHANCE TO EXPERIENCE A LOT OF NEW FLAVORS AND A LOT OF NEW FOODS.

COUNCIL, I THANK YOU FOR ALL MY CONCERNS AND ISSUES.

IF THIS DOES GO BACK TO COMMITTEE AGAIN LIKE TOUCHES, I WILL TRY AND WRITE UP A LIST OF MY CONCERNS, BUT OTHERWISE I DON'T SUPPORT THIS ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN.

THANK YOU FOR THE INDULGENCE, MAYOR.

ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, JUST REAL QUICK AND IN MY PUSHING OF BUTTONS, I BLANKED OUT THE QUEUE. SO HERE'S WHO I THINK WAS IN THE QUEUE BEFORE THAT.

MORE AUBIN, VERA, HEDRICK WERE YOU? YOU WERE IN THE QUEUE? YES. YES.

VERA YEAH, I'M NOT. I BLANKED OUT THE QUEUE.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO WAS IN THERE BEFORE.

YEAH, IT SAYS VERA, BASS, AUBIN, MORRIS.

THAT'S BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE PUNCHED IN SINCE I BLANKED IT OUT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN.

IT'S BEFORE I PUNCHED IT OUT.

ALL RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO RECREATE THIS IN ORDER COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE.

GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

AS A PRACTITIONER OF DEALING WITH THIS ORDINANCE, I DID THE WITH THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE MUSIC FESTIVAL, PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE KIDS BARBECUE CONTEST THAT WE DID EACH YEAR WITH THE LABOR DAY CONTEST.

I HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN DEALING WITH FOOD TRUCKS AND IT BECAME OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO

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TRY AND COORDINATE IT IN SUCH A FASHION THAT WE WERE NOT IN COMPETITION WITH THE FOOD TRUCKS THAT WE BROUGHT IN WITH THE EXISTING BUSINESSES.

BUT IT CAN BECOME VERY DIFFICULT TO DO SO.

AND AS A RESULT OF WHAT I'M HEARING TODAY, I THINK THAT I REALLY LIKE THE MANNER BY WHICH IT WAS INTRODUCED BY COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN.

YES, WE ARE INDEED COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH.

WE ARE A FOOD FRIENDLY CITY, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S AUBIN IS.

HOWEVER, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN PRESENTLY DOES NOT PRESENT OUR SALES AS SUCH.

I, FOR ONE, WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT GO BACK TO COMMITTEE.

AND THE REASON IS WHEN I HEAR THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN HEAR FROM THE FOOD VENDORS.

AND DON'T GET ME WRONG, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO BRING EVERYBODY IN.

BUT I THINK IF WE HEARD FROM THE FOOD VENDORS, THAT WOULD AT LEAST GIVE US MAYBE SOME CENTRAL GROUND A LITTLE BIT MORE EMPATHY ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO WRITE THIS UP.

BECAUSE AS I'M HEARING PRESENTLY, I FEEL THAT WE'RE PUTTING BANDAGES ON A POLICY, ON AN ORDINANCE IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE WITH.

AND I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO DO THAT, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF WE'RE GETTING READY NOW TO OPEN UP ONE OF THE MOST UP TO DATE SQUARE, OUR SQUARE WITH THE RENOVATION OF WHAT'S TAKING PLACE THERE AND SOME OF THE CELEBRATIONS THAT WERE GOING TO BE HAVING IN THAT PARTICULAR SPACE.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE WANT TO CREATE A SITUATION OF WHERE FOOD TRUCKS ARE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS IN BEING INTRODUCED OR INVITED TO BE THERE.

AND BY THE WAY, THERE ARE MANY FOOD TRUCK VENDORS THAT DON'T FEEL GARLAND IS A FRIENDLY CITY TO THEM. SO FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS GO BACK TO COMMITTEE.

I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO GO AHEAD AND BRING IN SOME VENDORS TO BRING IN SOME OF THE FOOD FROM VENDORS AND HEAR FROM THEM, BUT NOT JUST FOOD TRUCK VENDORS.

[INAUDIBLE] FROM OUR NON-PROFITS AND ALSO SUCH LIKE CHURCHES.

THESE CHURCHES AND THINGS, THEY ALSO HAVE A LOT TO DO WITH WHEN THEY HAVE THEIR CELEBRATIONS AND THINGS.

THEY HAVE A LOT TO DO WITH BRINGING IN FOOD TRUCKS.

SO, MR. MAYOR, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I AM TONIGHT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GO BACK TO COMMITTEE AND COME BACK TO US IN A DIFFERENT SHAPE.

THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN VERA, PLEASE.

NEXT. OK.

THE REASON I BROUGHT THIS TO COMMITTEE WAS WHERE WAS THAT STREET WHERE THE WATER COMPANY IS? THIS APOLLO AND JUPITER WAS A CAR WASH.

THE CAR WASH HAD ITS CO FOR BEING A CAR WASH.

THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE ALL THIS TRAILER.

I MEAN, TRACTOR FOOD TRUCKS IN THERE.

THEY DON'T HAVE RESTROOMS. THEY'RE CONNECTED TO A PLUG WITH A EXTENSION CORD.

PEOPLE WALKING OVER THE EXTENSION CORD.

AND I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT IT BECAUSE I WAS TALKING ABOUT SAFETY.

MINE WAS SAFETY.

THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP.

AND WHEN A BUSINESS OWNER HAS A CO FOR CAR WASH AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE ARE A BUNCH OF TRUCKS, DON'T THEY HAVE TO COME AND GET A CO TO DO THAT? I MEAN, EVERYBODY ELSE DOES.

THAT WAS MY INTENTION.

AT SAIGON MALL, THE SAME THING.

NO, THE ONE THAT CAR WASH.

NO RESTROOMS. EVERYTHING WAS PLUGGED INTO PLUGS ON THE WALLS.

THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN NEIGHBORS START COMPLAINING THEY WERE BLOCKING THE ROAD APOLLO ROAD.

THEY COULDN'T GET TO JUPITER BECAUSE OF THE FOOD TRUCKS THERE.

I DON'T CARE IF THEY HAVE A FIVE OR SIX OF THEM, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING IN THERE, IN THAT CAR WASH.

THAT WAS MY MY INTENTIONS WHEN I BROUGHT THIS UP.

SAIGON MALL THE SAME THING THE OWNER OF SAIGON MALL AND GOT ALLOWED TO PARK, SAY, 200 PARKING.

WELL, THERE'S TRAILERS OVER THERE, THE TRAILER FOOD TRAILERS.

THEY START TAKING HALF OF THE PARKING LOT IN THE BACK SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT.

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AND WHY DON'T THEY SUPPOSED TO HAVE ANY RULES OR REGULATIONS? THAT'S MY CONCERN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, SIR.

COUNCILMAN ROBIN. I THINK WE'RE MAKING THE WAY BACK AROUND THE LOOP HERE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

COUNCIL MEMBER VERA.

I APPRECIATE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM ON THAT.

AND TO ME THAT THAT'S A CALL FOR A REGULATION, NOT ON THE NOT ON THE FOOD TRUCK COMPANY, BUT ON THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT YOU KNOW.

AND MAYBE THAT AND THAT MAY BE THE DIRECTION THAT THAT WE REALLY HAD.

IT'S LIKE IF YOU WANT TO HOST FOOD TRUCKS ON YOUR PROPERTY, HERE ARE THE CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER WHICH YOU CAN DO THAT.

AND I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE OVER THE SIX YEARS, WE'VE CREATED SOME USES AND OTHER THINGS.

AND IT'S LIKE IF YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO HAVE A USE, THAT'S A FOOD TRUCK COURT OR A FOOD TRUCK SPOT OR WHATEVER IT IS, YOU KNOW HOW MUCH SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, SITE PLANNING AND STUFF.

I DON'T KNOW HOW DETAILED THAT SHOULD BE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN AND CERTAINLY WE DON'T WANT TO IMPAIR TRAFFIC.

WE DON'T WANT TO. I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF A GOOD THING.

I DON'T KNOW, ACTUALLY. IT'S KIND OF A GOOD THING IF TRAFFIC IS BACKED UP GOING TO A PARTICULAR FOOD TRUCK THAT I'M MORE LIKELY TO GET IN LINE THAN TO PASS IT BY.

BUT I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND WE ARE.

WE HAVE BEEN A VERY FOOD POSITIVE CITY AND A LOT OF THAT HAS COME THROUGH THE PANDEMIC.

AND I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS IT LAST YEAR THAT YOU GAVE THE AWARD TO GARLAND FOODIES BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT THEY HAD DONE FOR OUR CITY AND FOR OUR RESTAURANTS, SO.

AND I WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT FOOD POSITIVITY AS FAR AS TAKING INPUT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE MOST PART, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO THROW ANY ROCKS AT ANYBODY, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WHEN WE'RE GOING TO REGULATE SOMEBODY, THE STANDARD SHOULD BE THAT WE INVITE THEM TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE.

AND WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE.

WE DID THAT. I MEAN, WE DID THE WHOLE I THINK OF THE SMOKING.

LET'S TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT DIRECTLY AFFECTED RESTAURANTS.

AND THAT WAS WHEN WE HANDLED THE SMOKING ORDINANCE.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY YEARS AGO NOW, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AS A FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, I DON'T KNOW. I'VE KIND OF LOST TRACK OF TIME WITH COVID.

I THINK IT'S ALL KIND OF A TIME WARP.

BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAD IN THE COMMITTEE THAT THAT HANDLED THE SMOKING ORDINANCES.

WE BROUGHT IN PEOPLE FROM THE RESTAURANTS THAT WERE GOING TO BE IMPACTED AND WE REACHED OUT TO THOSE RESTAURANTS.

AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS, NOT ALL OF YOU ARE HERE, BUT THEN WE HAD HEARINGS ON IT. WE HAD LIKE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

WE HAD, LIKE SEVEN HOURS OF TESTIMONY AND THE BOTTOM LINE WAS IF YOU WANT TO, AND IT WAS THOSE WERE SOME OF THE MOST.

I GOT TO TELL YOU. THOSE WERE SOME OF THE MOST FASCINATING PUBLIC COMMENTS I'VE EVER HAD AND THE MEETINGS WENT ON FOR A WHILE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST PART OF IT.

IF EVERYBODY IN THE CITY THINK, IF EVERYBODY IN THE CITY WANTS TO COME DOWN AND DISCUSS A PARTICULAR ISSUE, I AM HERE FOR IT.

YOU KNOW, COME DOWN AND GIVE US YOUR INPUT.

LET'S HEAR IT. LET'S HEAR THE FREE MARKET OF IDEAS.

AND WE DID AND WE CAME UP WITH A SOLUTION THERE WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T THE PERFECT SOLUTION, BUT IT WAS A SOLUTION AND WE GOT SOMETHING PASSED FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE CITY. AND I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD THING.

AND IF I'VE HAD ANY ISSUE IN THE PAST WHEN WE PASSED REGULATIONS, YOU KNOW, I WAS VERY CONCERNED, FOR EXAMPLE.

I REMAIN TROUBLED BY HOW WE PASSED OUR COMMERCIAL SIGN ORDINANCE OR SIGN ORDINANCE A FEW YEARS AGO BECAUSE YEARS BEFORE WHEN IT WAS IN COMMITTEE, THERE HAD BEEN A COMMITMENT TO TALKING TO BUSINESSES ABOUT HOW THIS WOULD IMPACT THEM.

AND AS IT TURNS OUT, IT WAS IT WAS NEVER IT NEVER HAD THAT KIND OF HEARING.

IT NEVER HAD THAT KIND OF INPUT.

AND THEN IT CAME TO COUNCIL AND IT JUST IT COULD PUSH THROUGH WITHOUT EVER GETTING THAT KIND OF INPUT. AND AND I'VE HEARD COMPLAINTS REPEATEDLY OVER THE YEARS SINCE THEN HOW IT'S IMPACTED SOME OF OUR BUSINESSES.

SO I THINK IT'S OUR OBLIGATION TO TAKE THAT KIND OF INPUT.

AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THE INPUT OF THE FOLKS WHO OPERATE RESTAURANTS OR OTHER BUSINESSES OR ANYBODY WHO'S JUST INTERESTED, ANYBODY WHO JUST LOVES FOOD OR WHATEVER.

I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE SHOULDN'T HEAR FROM THEM.

I WOULD BE VERY GLAD TO HEAR FROM THEM.

BUT THE THING THAT POPPED INTO MY HEAD ON THIS WAS THAT I WANTED TO HEAR ABOUT HOW THE FOOD TRUCK OPERATORS FELT ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE LIST AND I WANT TO KNOW AS THEY

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LOOK AT THESE, JUST LIKE WE TALKED TO THESE WHEN WE DID THE SMOKING.

WE TALKED TO THE RESTAURANTS AND WE SAID, HOW WILL THIS IMPACT YOU NOW? AS IT TURNS OUT, IF YOU GO DOWN, IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE BEEF HOUSE, IF YOU GO DOWN TO AND I'M GOING TO GET A MENTAL BLOCK ON.

GOLD MINE.

THANK YOU. IF YOU GO DOWN TO, IF YOU GET DOWN TO THE GOLD MINE, THE GOLD MINE WILL TELL YOU THE GOLD MINE.

CITY ATTORNEY JUST EARNED HIS SALARY FOR THE YEAR.

IF YOU GET OUT OF THE GOLD MINE, WHICH IS A GREAT PLACE, THEY'LL TELL YOU THAT THEIR BUSINESS IS INCREASED AND THEY HAD EXPECTED THAT THEY SUPPORT IT.

LET'S HAVE THIS CHANGE.

SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THAT KIND OF INPUT FROM WHOEVER WANTS TO GET IT IN THE CITY. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO SIT HERE ALL NIGHT FOR SEVERAL NIGHTS TO DO IT, THEN I THINK THAT'S JUST THE JOB THAT WE SIGNED UP FOR.

DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU NECESSARILY AGREE WITH EVERYONE WHO BRINGS SOMETHING FORWARD.

YOU DON'T. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE TAKING A VOTE OR ANYTHING FOR BY THE PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP.

YOU'RE JUST LISTENING TO THE OPINIONS.

AS AS FOR THE SUGGESTION, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH YOUR LANDLORD BECAUSE YOU'RE BECAUSE YOU OWN A RESTAURANT AND I GET IT, YOU'VE PUT, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANT OPERATIONS. IT'S A TOUGH, TOUGH BUSINESS AND I GIVE CREDIT TO ANYBODY WHO CAN GET IN IT AND STAY IN IT.

BUT IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE, THEN THAT'S WITH YOUR LANDLORD.

IF YOUR LANDLORD HAS SAID, GO AHEAD AND PARK FOOD TRUCKS HERE IN THE PARKING LOT WHERE YOUR BUSINESS IS.

THAT'S AN ISSUE WITH YOUR LANDLORD THAT'S NOT COME TO THE CITY AND MAKE THE CITY RESOLVE IT FOR YOU.

THAT'S AN ISSUE WITH YOUR LANDLORD AND THOSE INVOLVE.

AND THERE IS, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RESTRICTIONS THAT A MARKET CREATES A FREE MARKET CREATES VERSUS THE RESTRICTIONS THAT A GOVERNMENT CREATES.

AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE ESPECIALLY CAREFUL WHEN WHEN WE GO THERE.

AND AS FOR FAIRNESS AND UNFAIRNESS AND ALL.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.

I DON'T KNOW IS, YOU KNOW, IS THE GOVERNMENT SUPPOSED TO BE SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, EXTERNAL TO THE MARKETS ARBITER OF FAIRNESS? OR IS IT JUST GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, IS, YOU KNOW, IS IT UNFAIR COMPETITION IF SOMEBODY MAKES A BETTER BURGER THAN YOU DO? YOU KNOW, DO YOU DO YOU JUST GET TO WIPE OUT THE MARKET IN AN AREA JUST BY VIRTUE OF YOU RUN THIS BUSINESS? I JUST DON'T.

I HAVE A REAL HARD TIME WITH THAT.

THAT DOESN'T THAT DOESN'T FEEL OK TO ME.

SO I DON'T SUPPORT THE ORDINANCE IN ITS CURRENT FORM.

I'M HAPPY TO SEND IT BACK TO COMMITTEE, BUT I'M ALSO HAPPY TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? LET'S TEE UP A SERIES OF HEARINGS.

LET'S LET'S JUST DO IT NOW AND SAY, YOU KNOW, AND LET'S PUBLICIZE IT AND REACH OUT TO THESE FOLKS AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, BIG COUNSEL SHINDIGS WHERE, YOU KNOW, IN OUR MAIN MEETING, WE GET A BUNCH OF FOLKS TO COME DOWN HERE AND WE'LL SCHEDULE ONE FOR I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN MID MID-FEBRUARY.

WE'RE MID-FEBRUARY, SCHEDULE A COUPLE FOR MARCH AND AND THEN MAKE A DECISION IN APRIL.

SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

MAYOR PRO TEM HEDRICK, I'M HAPPY TO YIELD MY TIME.

I FEEL WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. WELL, I WENT TO ALL THAT TROUBLE TO REMEMBER THAT YOU WERE IN THE QUEUE. SHOULD GIVE ME SOMETHING MORE.

GIVE ME SOMETHING MORE THAN THAT.

YOU KNOW YOU HAD YOUR SHOT.

YOU YIELDED. AND THAT'S IT.

COUNCIL MEMBER BASS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

JUST REAL QUICK HERE TO A COUPLE OF POINTS.

COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH MADE ON THE HOURS OF OPERATION.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR IT TO BE TIED WITH THE AVAILABILITY OF THE RESTROOM.

OTHERWISE, I DON'T SEE WHY THERE SHOULD BE ANY RESTRICTION ON THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND THEN I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD RESTRICT ON SITE DINING.

I THINK THAT SHOULD BE WOULD BE TIED INTO, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING REQUIRED PARKING SPACES.

AND THEN AS FAR AS AVAILABILITY OF RESTROOMS, THE RESTROOMS AREN'T JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PATRONS, BUT ALSO OF THE STAFF.

RESTROOMS NEED TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THE STAFF.

SO I DON'T I THINK THAT THAT REQUIREMENT SHOULD DEFINITELY STAY THERE.

WE WANT OUR OUR STAFF SERVING OUR FOOD TO HAVE ACCESS TO RESTROOMS AND ALSO JUST A POINT.

SO IT'S I MEAN, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE A GOVERNMENT.

WE DO MAKE OUR MONEY BASED OFF OF SALES TAX AND FOOD TRUCKS UNLESS THEIR SALES TAX PERMIT IS REGISTERED IN THE CITY OF GARLAND DO NOT CONTRIBUTE TO OUR TAX BASE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, SIR.

MAYOR PRO TEM WILLIAMS. THANK THANK YOU, MAYOR.

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I'VE BEEN ENLIGHTENED BY AS A COMMITTEE.

I'VE BEEN VERY ENLIGHTENED COUNCILMAN SMITH INPUT AND COUNCILMAN VERA AND I THINK HE SUMMARIZED. HE SAID HIS PRIMARY ISSUE WAS SECURITY, SO THAT CLARIFIED SOMETHING FOR ME THAT THAT SORT OF REFOCUSED THIS.

AND I THINK IT'S COMMITTEE MEMBER WE WERE LOOKING TO BEYOND THOSE LANDS AND THE CITY ATTORNEY DID ACCORDINGLY, SO HE DID WHAT HE WAS BEING ASKED TO DO.

THIS IS KIND OF PART OF WHAT [INAUDIBLE] IS MAKING IS SOMETIMES IT GETS UGLY AND SOMETIMES NOT. SO I TOTALLY, YOU KNOW, I SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS GOING, I GO BACK TO COUNCILMAN VERA SINCE HE THE ONE WHO BIRTHED THIS BABY.

IF WE WANT TO DO THIS AND TAKE IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE, GIVEN THE INPUT FROM COUNCIL TONIGHT OR PUT IT ON CORRECT.

PUT IT ON AN AGENDA FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEM AS A PUBLIC HEARING.

I AM AN ADVOCATE FOR PUBLIC INPUT AND ALSO IN MY OTHER LIFE, COUNCILMAN AUBIN I WAS AROUND. THAT WAS [INAUDIBLE] YOU WERE AT THE BEGINNING.

YOU AND I WERE WE WERE SITTING WITH THE [INAUDIBLE].

I REMEMBER THOSE LONG NIGHTS VERY WELL.

AND AND YOU ARE ACCURATE THAT BUT WE BUT IN AND FINALITY, WE CAME UP WITH A PRODUCT THAT AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT HAS NOT REARED ITS UGLY HEAD RECENTLY AND WE BOTH WERE HERE.

SO I LOOKING AT THIS, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WITH ALL THE COMMENTS WHAT SOME DIRECTION FOR FROM THE COUNCIL AS TO HOW I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE US DROP THIS ISSUE.

BUT HOW SHOULD WE PROCEED AS AND I SAY THERE'S TWO OPTIONS.

ONE REFERRED BACK TO THE COMMITTEE WITH ALL THE INPUT THAT'S BEEN HERE TONIGHT OR CHOOSE TO DO IT AS A AS A COUNCIL, AS A WHOLE IN A PUBLIC FORUM.

SO I GUESS I PUT THAT QUESTION OUT THERE.

MAYOR, AS TO OK AS TO A NEED FOR SOME CLARIFICATION AS TO FUTURE DIRECTION ON THIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. WE MIGHT GET THERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND I WILL BE VERY QUICK.

MR. ENGLAND. THERE'S A GC ITEM THAT MANAGES KIOSKS AND PARKING LOTS, AND IT'S DONE A LOT OF THE WORK FOR US ALREADY AS FAR AS MANAGING THE NUMBER OF THINGS THAT CAN TAKE UP CERTAIN SPACES BASED ON THE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE THE BUILDING ITSELF.

AND WE DEALT WITH THIS IN MY DISTRICT WITH COACH SLIM'S SNOWBALL STAND.

AND SO IF THE COMMITTEE WANTS A STARTING POINT, THAT MIGHT BE A PRETTY GOOD PLACE FOR THEM TO GET STARTED AS FAR AS MANAGING PARKING SPACES AND SUCH.

AND I JUST WANT TO GET THAT OUT THERE.

AND AGAIN, I HAVE NO PREFERENCE, WHETHER IT GOES TO PUBLIC HEARING OR COMMITTEE.

I'M HAPPY TO BE INVOLVED EITHER WAY.

BUT IF YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE AVENUE OF INVESTIGATION FOR THE COMMITTEE, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE CAN WE CAN WORK WITH.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANKS, SIR.

ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO WRAP THIS UP.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WOULD JUST I WOULD SUGGEST OR OFFER.

I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE VERY SPECIFIC THOUGHTS AND IDEAS FROM COUNCIL.

THAT IS. A LOT MORE HELPFUL THAN VAGUENESS, SO I TOOK GOOD NOTES, SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU LET LET US TAKE IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.

GO OVER THESE SPECIFIC THINGS AND SURE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE GREAT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER.

I THINK WE WOULD SPEND A LOT FEWER HOURS HERE AND A LOT LESS ANNOYANCE IF WE TAKE THE SUGGESTION FROM COUNCIL, CONDENSE IT INTO A MORE WORKABLE ORDINANCE AND THEN BRING IT BACK AND HAPPY TO HAVE IT GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING.

ALWAYS. SO THAT WORKS FOR YOU.

THEN WE'LL TAKE IT BACK AND GO FROM THERE.

WELL, ACTUALLY, WE CAN DO BOTH.

WE CAN SEND IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.

I THINK THERE'S BEEN VERY SPECIFIC INFORMATION RELAYED.

AND THEN BEFORE WE ADOPT THE ORDINANCE, WE CAN HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO THAT'S WHAT I SUGGESTED, I THINK.

RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WE CAN WE CAN HAVE BOTH.

WE CAN HAVE OUR CAKE AND EAT IT, TOO.

SO I THINK COUNCIL, IF YOU HAVEN'T, IF YOU NEED ANY FURTHER NOTES, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER

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SMITH HAD QUITE A FEW, SO WE CAN CONNECT THOSE DOTS.

ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON NOW TO LET'S SEE HERE.

ITEM FIVE ANNOUNCED FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS.

[5. Announce Future Agenda Items]

MAYOR PRO TEM HEDRICK.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'D LIKE [INAUDIBLE] TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE LED STREETLIGHT CONVERSIONS, AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE TO TAKE UP THE FOOD PART FOOD TRUCK PARK ADDITIONS TO THE GDC.

VERY GOOD AND COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN IS CLOSEST TO ME FOR A SECOND ON THOSE.

VERY GOOD. COUNCIL MEMBER VERA.

I WOULD LIKE TO REFER TO PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, THE CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE TO MAKE AN OFFENSE FOR AN OWNER OF BUSINESS PROPERTY PARK ARE CAUSE TO BE PARKED VEHICLES ASSOCIATED WITH BUSINESS IN NO PARKING ZONE NEAR HIS PROPERTY.

YEAH. I THINK WE.

WHAT WAS? I DON'T THINK ANY OF US UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE REQUEST IS.

OK. I WOULD LIKE TO REFER TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, THE CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE TO MAKE AN OFFENSE FOR AN OWNER OF BUSINESS LIKE REPAIR SHOPS, PROPERTY TO PARK OR CAUSE TO BE PARKED VEHICLES ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUSINESS ON NO PARKING ZONE NEAR THE PROPERTY.

INSTEAD OF GIVING A TICKET TO THE CAR, I LIKE TO PUT AN ORDINANCE ON THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY THAT PARKS THE CARS TO GET MORE.

OK. I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT'S HEADED, SO I WILL SECOND AND WE CAN HEAD THAT TO PUBLIC SAFETY. OK.

ALL RIGHT. BRING BACK.

ANY ADDITIONAL FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? ONE IS FOR THE CAR.

ALL RIGHT. HANG ON ONE SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S I THINK THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.

WE DO. COUNCIL JUST A REMINDER.

WE HAVE A GARLAND FOUNDATION FOR DEVELOPMENT MEETING IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE ADJOURNMENT OF THIS MEETING.

AND WHEN I SAY IMMEDIATELY, EVERYBODY, IF YOU COULD PLEASE STAY PUT AND THAT AT 9:40, WE WILL ADJOURN THIS WORK SESSION.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.