[Public Safety Committee on February 14, 2022.]
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UH, WHEREABOUTS ARE MADE IN THAT SEX, THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, AND, UH, THEY WERE IN THE 14, 20, 22, 4 0 6.
WE HAVE TWO ITEMS TODAY TO DISCUSS.
AND ONE OF THEM IS THE NUMBER ONE AGAIN, THE AGENDA APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
WE MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
UM, THERE'S A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MEETING FROM JEFF BASS AND THE SECOND FROM BJ WILLIAMS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES ALL SAY, AYE.
NUMBER TWO IS INDIVIDUAL ITEMS OF INDIVIDUAL CONCERN AND DISCUSS OBJECTIONS ARE IMPORTANT.
UM, JOSEPH IMPORTS, ANYTHING WITH HER PARK IN COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT AND C CONSIDER ESTABLISHING A BLOCK SYSTEM PROGRAM FOR NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE'LL START WITH, UH, OPTION ONE.
AND BEFORE I CALL MIKE UP, WHICH I'LL DO HERE SHORTLY, UM, UH, COUNCILMAN BASS ASKED ME TO, UH, TO INVITE SOMEONE FROM THE TRUCKING INDUSTRY TO SPEAK IF THERE WAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR, FOR THAT, UH, INDUSTRY.
HE IS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE DFW COUNCIL OF SAFETY PROFESSIONALS AND HE IS ALSO A 44 YEAR DRIVER.
AND SO IF THERE'S QUESTIONS, UH, WHICH THERE MAY BE FOR THE TRUCKING INDUSTRY, HE'S HERE TO HELP KIND OF GIVE SOME INSIGHT INTO THAT.
UH, THE FIRST ITEM IS DISCUSS, DISCUSS OPTIONS FOR ENFORCEMENT OF 18 WHEELERS PARKING ON ROADWAYS.
AND I'M GOING TO TURN THAT OVER TO THE MARSHALL AND DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY MIKE BETTS.
SO MR. CHAIRMAN, UNLESS YOU TELL ME OTHERWISE, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO ITEMS. UH, I DROPPED MY PEN ON MY JACKET, SO, SO THERE'S TWO ITEMS. THEY'RE BOTH DEALING WITH 18 WHEELER PARKING.
ONE IS PARKING ON THE ROADWAYS AND ONE IS PARKING IN COMMUNITY RETAIL, AND I'M GONNA ADDRESS THE TWO OF THEM TOGETHER, UH, INITIALLY SHADY ORDINANCE AND DISCUSS THEM IN SOME, IN SOME RESPECTS THAT IS SOME WITH THE TWO OF THEM, WITH RESPECT TO OUR ENFORCEMENT OPTIONS.
AND IN SOME RESPECTS, THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF ONE'S A MORE OBVIOUS PROBLEM TO SOLVE.
AND ONE IS MORE TRICKY STATUTORILY TO SOLVE.
I COULD SOLVE THE STATUTORY PROBLEM ON IT, BUT YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S STILL GOING TO HAVE A PRACTICAL EFFECT OF DOING THAT.
SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF BLEND THE TWO OF THESE TOGETHER, UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS AN OBJECTION BECAUSE THERE'S SIMILAR ISSUES.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE PARKING IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WE'LL DO THAT FIRST.
AND IF YOU GO TO THE ORDINANCE AND I'VE GOT IT UP ON THE SCREEN, RIGHT NOW, IT'S AGAINST THE LAW FOR AN 18 WHEELER TO BE PARKED IN A, IN ANY OVERSIZED VEHICLE, WHICH AN 18 WHEELER IS IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
THEY CAN'T PARK ON THE STREET AND THE RESIDENTIAL ZONES.
AND WE GO OUT FROM TIME TO TIME AND FIND OUT THAT THEY'RE PARKED IN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
UH, WE TICKET THEM AND IN SOME INSTANCES THAT WE CAN GET THEM TO LEAVE SOME INSTANCES.
WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT RESIDENTS THEY'RE AT, BUT USUALLY THEY'RE HOME FOR THE WEEKEND.
AND THEY'RE PARKED ON THE STREET, TAKING UP HALF THE STREET WITH THEIR 18 WHEELERS AND WE PUT A TICKET ON THE VEHICLE.
UM, THERE IS NO IMPEDIMENT CURRENTLY TO DOING THAT.
AND WE PUT TICKETS ON THE VEHICLES.
THE PROBLEM THAT WE WERE TOLD THAT EXISTS IS THAT WELL THAT DOESN'T GET RID OF THE 18 WHEELER VEHICLE.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE COULD DO IS WE COULD IMPOUND THOSE VEHICLES BEFORE YOU GET TOO EXCITED ABOUT THAT OPTION.
I'LL TELL YOU, THAT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO IMPOUND ALL THESE VEHICLES FOR THE FOLLOWING REASON.
HEY, IT'S EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE TO IMPOUND THESE VEHICLES.
IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME TO IMPOUND THESE VEHICLES.
SO I GOTTA GET A SPECIAL TRACTOR OUT THERE.
SO I GOTTA HAVE SOMEBODY SITTING WAITING WHILE THE SPECIAL 18 WHEELER TRAILER TRACTOR COMES OUT THERE.
SEE IF I HAVE TO INVENTORY THE VEHICLE.
IF IT'S GOT STUFF IN THE, IN THE TRAILER THAT I HAVE TO INVENTORY, I COULD TAKE HALF A DAY TO INVENTORY.
WHAT IS THAT? WE SEIZED AND PUT AN AIR IMPEL LAWN.
AND THE MOST PRACTICAL PROBLEM IS WE WOULDN'T HAVE A PLACE TO PUT MOST OF THESE VEHICLES ON ANY ONE WEEKEND.
I MIGHT BE ABLE TO DRIVE AROUND THE CITY OF GARLAND AND POUND 10, 15, 18 WHEELERS FROM DIFFERENT PLACES IN THE CITY.
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IS WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PUT 10 OR 15, 18 WHEELER VEHICLES.AND SO THE QUESTION IS, OTHER THAN WRITING THEM A TICKET, WHICH WE CURRENTLY DO, WHAT CAN WE DO? THE ONLY OTHER OPTION WE COULD BARNACLE THE VEHICLES, THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE HERE FOR THE BARNACLE PRESENTATION.
NOW WHAT THE BARNACLE IS, I CAN MOBILIZE THE VEHICLE BY STICKING A BIG BARNACLE ON THE WINDSHIELD.
AND WHAT I WILL SUGGEST TO YOU IS THAT WE'LL JUST KEEP THE VEHICLE THERE LONGER BECAUSE NOW THE GUY ISN'T MOVING THE VEHICLE UNTIL IT GETS ON PARTICLED.
SO NOW I GOT A, HE'S GOT A, HE'S GOT TO COME OUT AND SEE THAT IT'S BARNICLE THROUGH ICE.
SO HE CAN'T EVEN GET IT OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOW BECAUSE IT'S BARNACLED AND HE'S GOT TO CALL THE 800 NUMBER AND FIND OUT HOW MUCH THE TICKET IS TO GET THE TICKET OUT OF THE SYSTEM.
SO HE CAN GET THE CAR, CAR, AND BARNACLES AND PAY THE A HUNDRED BUCKS TO GET THE CAR.
AND BARNACLED, THAT'S A LONGER PROCESS THAN IF HE COMES OUT AND FINDS OUT THERE'S A TICKET AND JUST MOVES THIS VEHICLE BECAUSE IT'S BEING TICKETED OUT THERE.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE COULD DO THAT MIGHT CUT DOWN ON IT RIGHT NOW UNDER THE COUNCIL'S POLICIES IS WITH RESPECT TO PARKING, UH, VEHICLES.
ONCE EVERY THREE DAYS, IT COULD BE WITH AN 18 WHEELER.
YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE AND SAY, LOOK, EACH DAY IS A SEPARATE VIOLATION AND TELL US YOU WANT US TO TICKET EVERY DAY.
SO IF THE GUY'S THERE FRIDAY NIGHT AND SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, HE GETS $25, $50, AND THEN $75 FOR THE THIRD ONE.
MAYBE THAT WOULD BE MORE OF AN INCENTIVE RIGHT NOW.
IF HE GETS ONE TICKET FOR 25 BUCKS AND HE'S THERE FOR THREE DAYS, WHY WOULD YOU MOVE THE VEHICLE? AT THAT POINT? I'VE GOTTEN MY TICKET.
I CAN'T GET ANOTHER TICKET FOR THREE DAYS.
SO IT'S ONE POSSIBLE SOLUTION FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT, THAT WE COULD, UH, ADDRESS.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT 18 WHEELER PARKING IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS IS DEALT WITH VERY QUICKLY BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A PROBLEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND TYPICALLY WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE WILL FIND THE TRUCK OWNER, WE TAKE IT AND WE SAY, OKAY, THIS TRUCK NEEDS TO GET OUT OF HERE.
WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHO THE TRUCK OWNER IS.
THE COMPANY THAT OWNS THE VEHICLE.
WE'LL GO TO THE POINT WHERE WE'LL PICK UP THE PHONE AND START CALLING THEM, FIND OUT WHO THEIR DISPATCHERS ARE.
SAY THIS VEHICLE, WHOEVER OWNS THIS VEHICLE, THIS VEHICLE IS FIXING TO BE IMPOUNDED, WHETHER IT IS OR NOT.
WE TELL THEM WE'RE GOING TO IMPOUND AND TOW THIS VEHICLE AWAY.
AND THEN WITHIN AN HOUR OR TWO, A DRIVER SHOWS UP AND THE VEHICLE'S GONE.
I CAN TELL THE COMMITTEE, I CAN'T THINK OF WHAT MORE WE COULD DO TO GET WITH RESPECT TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
WE ACT VERY QUICKLY ON THOSE BECAUSE IT'S NOT AS BIG OCCURRENCE AS THE SECOND PROBLEM YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT, WHICH IS THESE 18 WHEELERS THAT WIND UP PARKING IN THE BTS PARKING LOT OR THE BEST BUY PARKING LOT, OR THE WALMART PARKING LOT, OR THE, ALL THE OTHER PARKING LOTS THAT THEY PARK IN.
THAT'S A BIGGER PROBLEM AT THE MOMENT THAN RESIDENTIAL.
BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE RESIDENTIAL, WE GO OUT AND ACTUALLY USE A LOT OF MANPOWER TO TRY TO FIND OUT WHO OWNS THIS VEHICLE AND HAVE THEIR EMPLOYER CONTACT THEM OR THE DISPATCHER, CONTACT THEM AND TELL THEM, GET THIS VEHICLE OUT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
18 WHEELERS STAY IN NEIGHBORHOODS FOR DAYS AT A TIME.
WE'VE HAD THEM FOR A DAY AT A TIME WHERE THEY'RE THERE FOR SIX OR SEVEN HOURS, A DEPUTY TO GO BACK AND FOUR OR FIVE HOURS IN A VEHICLE IS GONE.
AND SO WE'VE HAD SOME SUCCESS WITH THAT, BUT IT'S VERY MANPOWER INTENSIVE.
IF THE, IF THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING, TO MAKE IT A STRONGER WITH RESPECT TO THE RESIDENTIAL, WHAT WE COULD DO IS, IS MAKE IT.
SO THEY'RE SUBJECT TO A TICKET EVERY DAY.
AGAIN, MY FOLKS DON'T LIKE TO LEAVE THAT TRUCK OUT THERE LONG ENOUGH TO GET A SECOND DAY TICKET, BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTIVELY TRYING TO GET A TRUCK OUT OF A NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN IT'S THERE.
AND MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THEY'RE JUST HOME FOR THE NIGHT AND THEN THEY LEAVE.
BUT SO THAT'S THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
AND THEN YES, SIR, NOT ONLY IN A, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INDUSTRIAL AREAS ON THE ROADWAYS, INDUSTRIAL AREAS.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PARKING NUMBER STANDING ON YOUR SIDE OF THE ROAD, CORRECT? THERE ARE SIGNS THERE.
AND SO IN SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE THEY'RE THEIR DRIVERS, THE DRIVERS SHOW UP AND, UH, AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT SIMILAR TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PARKING COMMUNITY RETAILS TO DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT GO ON.
AND IN THESE TYPES OF PARKING THAT PARKED ON ROADWAYS, THE ONE ISSUE IS THE 18 WHEELER DRIVER.
WHO'S HOME FOR THE WEEKEND AND WANTS TO PARK AT HIS HOUSE OR CLOSE TO HIS HOUSE OR HIS APARTMENT AND PARKS ON A RESIDENTIAL STREET OR PARKS ON ONE OF THE STREETS.
THOSE, I THINK WE CAN SOLVE WITH THE SUGGESTIONS THAT I'VE MADE TO YOU.
AND WE TAKE THOSE REALLY SERIOUSLY, THE ONES IN THE INDUSTRIAL AREAS.
IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHEN THEY'RE PARKED THERE.
IF WE SEE ONE PARKED ON A FRIDAY NIGHT AND ALL THOSE INDUSTRIAL AREAS ARE CLOSED UNTIL MONDAY MORNING.
THERE'S A NO PARKING SIGN THAT SAYS NO PARKING OF 18 WHEELERS THERE.
BUT YOU LOOK AT AND SAY, OKAY, THESE BUSINESSES THAT WE MADE THE NO PARKING FOR, WE MADE THE NO PARKING.
SO THE TRUCKS CAN GET IN AND OUT OF THESE BUSINESSES, THEY'RE NOT OPEN AGAIN UNTIL MONDAY MORNING.
A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL GO OUT AND PUT A TICKET ON THE CAR, PUT A STICKER ON THE CAR, DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IT'S, WE DON'T TAKE IT AS BIG AND URGENCY AS, AS THE CARS THAT ARE PARKED IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE CLOGGING UP WHERE ALL THE CITIZENS CAN'T PARK THEIR VEHICLES BECAUSE IT'S PARKED IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA
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WHERE THE ONLY REASON THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PARK ON THOSE ROADS IN THAT AREA IS BECAUSE THE OTHER TRUCKS CAN'T GET IN AND OUT OF THE PARKING LOTS, IF THEY'RE THERE DURING THE WEEK, WHEN THE TRUCKS ARE TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT, WE GET CALLED OUT THERE AND WE DO THE SAME THING WE DO IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.IF IT'S A SATURDAY NIGHT AT NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, AND THOSE BUSINESSES AREN'T, EVEN THOSE INDUSTRIALS, AREN'T GOING TO BE OPEN UNTIL MONDAY MORNING.
USUALLY WE FOCUS ON PARKING ISSUES THAT CAUSE MORE QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND SO, I MEAN, I CAN CHANGE THEIR PRIORITIES WITH RESPECT TO THAT TO SAY, OKAY, LET'S USE LET'S.
INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUES THAT PEOPLE ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT, FOCUS ON THE INDUSTRIAL AREAS ON A SATURDAY NIGHT, DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A GOOD USE OF RESOURCES.
I, INSTEAD THOSE DURING THE WEEK, THOSE ARE A BIG PROBLEM.
THE ONES WHO WERE THERE LIKE ON A TUESDAY AND THE TRUCK DRIVER JUST SITS ON A TUESDAY OUTSIDE OF INDUSTRIAL AREA.
NOW HE'S SITTING THERE AND NOW THE TRUCKS CAN'T GET IN AND OUT OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES, THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM.
WE GET SOMEBODY OUT THERE AND WE TRY TO FIND OUT WHO OWNS THE TRUCK AND WE TELL THEM, WE'RE GOING TO TELL IT.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, IF IT WAS HINDERING BUSINESS, WE WOULD ACTUALLY TELL THAT VEHICLE AWAY.
SO NO, BUT, UM, A LOT OF GOOD TRUCKERS, UH, IN MY DISTRICT THAT I HAVE OBSERVED AND I HAVE WASHED THEM, THEY PARKED THEIR CAR OR THE TRUCK IS THEY TAKE OFF AND LEAVE THE CAR THERE FOR THREE OR FOUR DAYS.
THEY COME BACK, THEY TAKE THE CAR AND PARKED THE TRUCK.
I COULDN'T SEE ANYTHING WITH MY OWN NIGHTS, ALL IN NO PARKING ZONES, PARKING ZONE.
AND WHEN DO THEY COME ON THE WEEKENDS? SOMETIMES THEY LIVE ON THERE FOR, FOR A WEEK, FOUR DAYS, FIVE DAYS, WHENEVER THEY TAKE THE GOLD OR THEY GOT TO GO WELL IN THE, IN THE AREAS WITH THE NO PARKING IN YOUR DISTRICT.
THAT'S THE, THE AREA OF THE CITY, THE SINGLE AREA OF THE CITY, WHERE WE HAVE WRITTEN THE VERY MOST TICKETS, BECAUSE THEY KEEP DOING THAT.
PEOPLE THAT HAVE BUSINESS IN MY DISTRICT, THEY HAVE TRUCKS ON THEIR OWN THAT COME IN THERE AND THEY COME IN LOW, THEY KICKOFF, BUT SOMETIMES THEY CAN'T DRIVE THE TRUCK IN BECAUSE THE TRUCKS ARE RIGHT HERE OR THEY CAN'T MOVED THE TRAILERS THROUGH THERE, OR BECAUSE THERE'S A TRADER ON THIS OTHER SIDE, THAT'S THE PROBLEM I'M HAVING.
I'M GETTING SO MANY COMPLAINTS.
AND ONE OF THEM IS PLASTIC ZACK, A PLASTIC PACK, MAN, I GET SO MANY.
SO, SO WE COULD, WE COULD ON, IF THE COUNCIL'S DESIRE WAS TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE, WE COULD TAKE IT THEM EVERY DAY.
INSTEAD WE ONLY TAKE IT THEM ONCE EVERY THREE DAYS OUT THERE.
SO IF YOU'RE PARKED IN A NO PARKING, YOU GET A TICKET.
YOU AGAIN UNTIL THE FOURTH DAY WHERE WE CAN CALL THEM DOWN, WE TRY.
AND SOMETIMES YOU CAN GET THEM.
SOMETIMES YOU CAN FIGURE OUT FROM THE OUTSIDE THE TRUCK WHO OWNS A TRUCK AND GET SOMEBODY ON THE PHONE.
NOW ON A SATURDAY NIGHT, IF THE ONLY INFORMATION YOU HAVE IS WHATEVER XYZ TRUCKING COMPANY IN WICHITA FALLS, TEXAS, AND YOU TRY TO CALL THEM ON A SATURDAY NIGHT, YOU GET NOTHING, YOU RUN IT, REGISTRATION.
IT COMES BACK TO THAT TRUCKING COMPANY.
YOU HAVE NO OTHER INFORMATION ON HOW TO CONTACT A DISPATCHER OR ANYBODY ELSE, YOU KNOW, AND IN SOME OF THE OTHERS, THE COMPANY, THE TRUCKING COMPANY IS ON A SATURDAY AFTERNOON.
FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET PEOPLE ON THE PHONE.
YOU GET SOME DISPATCH ON THE PHONE FROM THE TRUCKING COMPANY.
YOU CAN SAY, HERE'S THE TRUCK.
IT'S PARKED IN THIS PARKING LOT.
AND THEN WITHIN AN HOUR, SOMEBODY WOULD SHOW UP AND GET THAT TRUCK OUT OF THERE.
IT JUST, IT, IT, IT DEPENDS GREATLY.
AND I CAN TELL YOU, IT'S A FOCUS OF A LOT OF OUR TIME IS THESE TRUCKS AND INDUSTRIAL AREAS.
THE MAJORITY IS THE DRUGS THAT I'M COMPLAINING, THEY'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT OR NOT ARE NOT COMPANY TRUCKS, THEY'RE INDIVIDUALS.
AND THOSE ARE MORE PROBLEMATIC CAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN LIST ON THE OUTSIDE WHO WE CAN CALL.
AND IF YOU HAVE JUST AN, AN INDIVIDUAL OPERATOR, SOMETIMES WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT BACKWARDS FROM DLT NUMBER AND THERE'S, THERE'S THINGS ON THE VEHICLE WITH THE PLATES AND THE DLT NUMBERS THAT I CAN BACK FIGURE OUT WHO OWNS THIS TRUCK.
AND IT COMES BACK, BUT YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF TIMES IT COMES BACK TO SOME COMPANY, SOME LLC.
NOW I KNOW IT COMES BACK TO, YOU KNOW, FJC, LLC, FJC, TRUCKING, LLC, TO OUT OF, YOU KNOW, WEST UNDERSHIRT, TEXAS.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY, YOU LOOK IT UP IN THE PHONE BOOK.
IT'S PROBABLY JUST A POST OFFICE BOX SOMEWHERE WHERE REGISTRATION INFORMATION SENT.
SO YOU COULD, WE, WE COULD TELL THEM AWAY.
I PROBABLY COULD TELL ONE OR TWO AWAY A WEEKEND, BUT WE'D HAVE NO PLACE TO PUT THEM.
THAT'LL JUST KEEP THEM THERE LONGER THOUGH.
BECAUSE WHEN THEY GET THERE, INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING A TICKET ON THE CAR, NOW THEY'VE GOT A BARNACLE.
YOU HAVE THEY'LL PAY THE FASTER, BUT IT'LL TAKE THEM AN HOUR OR TWO TO FIGURE OUT HOW THE, BECAUSE THEY'RE IN A HURRY TO MOVE AND THEY HAVE TO GO AND THEY CAN'T GO.
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PAY THAT TICKET FOR THAT.I MEAN, IT MIGHT GET INCREASED COMPLIANCE ON THE TICKETS AND WE COULD BARNACLE THEM.
AND I HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THE COMMUNITY.
RETAIL IS A DIFFERENT PROBLEM IN COMMUNITY RETAIL, BUT YES, SIR.
UM, UH, MR. BETSON, UM, MY MAIN CONCERN IS RESIDENTIAL.
AND I THINK YOU LAID OUT THE OPTIONS AND THE IMPACT OF TOWING BONNER.
WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS CREATE A PROBLEM ON TOP FOR OURSELVES, FOR THE REASON THAT YOU GAVE.
NOW, WE STARTED TOYING WHO TRUCKS, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO PUT THEM.
THAT'S HIGHLY SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT TO TOUR EVERY TRUCKS AND THAT'S ADDITIONAL EXPENSES.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE SOMETHING.
AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO GIVE US NIGHTMARES THE REASON UK, BUT MOM, MY BIGGEST COMPLAINT IN MY DISTRICT HAS TO DO IS RESIDENTIAL.
AND I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
I LIKE THE OPTION OF TICKETING PER INCIDENT, RATHER THAN BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT USUALLY HAPPEN EACH DAY.
A SEPARATE OFFENSE EACH DAY, A SEPARATE ONE.
UM, THE GENTLEMAN FROM THE TRANSPORTATION, CAN YOU COME UP? I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HE COULD.
I THINK HE HE'S, HE, I THINK THEY SAID YOU WERE THE EXPERT.
SO, UH, UM, TWO QUESTIONS I HAVE AND I, MY DISTRICT USUALLY IT'S RESIDENTIAL, UM, IN TURN BY THE INDUSTRY, BUT BECAUSE UH, UH, UH, UH, TRACTOR TRAILER, TRUCK STANDS OUT LIKE THAT.
SO I MEAN, AND THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I GET.
I'VE ALSO GOTTEN COMPLAINTS ABOUT SOME OF THE DRIVERS, EVEN WORKING ON THEIR TRUCKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH, WHICH MAKES IT, YOU KNOW, UH, WHICH MAKES IT REALLY A CHALLENGE.
SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WHAT AN GALLEN SURROUNDING CITIES.
UM, MOST OF OUR AREAS, A LOT OF OUR AREAS HAVE THE NO PARKING SIGNS.
NOW I'M GOING TO GET TO THE OTHER PIECE IN A MINUTE.
THEY HAVE NO PARKING FROM A TRAINING OR INFORMATION SIDE.
WHAT WHAT'S THE INDUSTRY COURSE, THE INDUSTRIES, A TRAINING, A CONVERSATION TO DRIVERS ABOUT RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WHETHER IT'S GORLIN OR SEXY OR PEORIA, ILLINOIS, WHAT IS THERE? WHAT'S A GENERAL WHERE YOU'VE GOT TRAFFIC SIGNAGE POSTED AND PROHIBITED 18.
WELL, THERE'S NO OVERNIGHT PARKING.
IS THERE A WHAT'S I GUESS WHAT'S THE GENERAL ATTITUDE FROM AN INDUSTRY STANDPOINT IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS ABOUT PARKING IS ARIAS THERE, CAN YOU, I CAN'T IMAGINE ANY COMPANY OR ANY DRIVER NOW THIS, LIKE I SAY, I WAS THE DRIVER I WASN'T IN MANAGEMENT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S A DRIVE, RIGHT.
BUT I, AS A DRIVER, I COULD NOT IMAGINE ANY DRIVER PULLING AN 18 WHEELER INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA TO WHERE AT NIGHT, A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN'T SEE VERY WELL AT NIGHT ON TOP OF THAT AND HAVE THAT THING.
AND A LOT OF TIMES ARE PARKED GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION.
AND YOU'VE GOT A VEHICLE THERE THAT'S STICKING OUT NEARLY HALF OF THE ROADWAY, YOU GOT A CAR HERE, NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE CAR THAT'S TRYING TO GET THROUGH.
HE'S JUST BARELY SQUEEZING THROUGH.
AND TO ME IT CAUSES A DISTRACTION AS FAR AS HE'S DRIVING, YOU KNOW? UH IT'S IT'S, I COULDN'T IMAGINE AS A DRIVER PUT MY RIG IN HARM'S WAY LIKE THAT OR ANYBODY ELSE'S.
SO I MEAN THAT, Y'ALL GOT MY ATTENTION ON THAT BECAUSE I DROVE A 5.4 MILLION MILES SAFELY WITHOUT AN ACCIDENT.
AND A LOT OF THAT WAS MY ATTITUDE TOWARD THE LAW, YOU KNOW, UH, THE, THE LAWS THERE TO STOP THE CHAOS TO STOP THE CRASH SHE'S TO SAVE LIVES.
SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, Y'ALL REALLY, YOU, YOU REALLY PUNCHED MY BUTTON THERE ON THAT ONE.
CAUSE FROM AS A, AS A DRIVER, YOU KNOW, AND I CONSIDER MYSELF A PROFESSIONAL, I COULD NOT IMAGINE ONE OF MY PEERS PULLING A RIG INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA LIKE THAT AND IT SHOULDN'T BE TOLERATED.
YES, NO, BUT YEAH, I APPRECIATE, CAUSE I WANTED YOUR PERSPECTIVE WITH, WITH, WITH, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEING A DRIVER AND YOU YOU'VE ACTUALLY BEEN ON THE GROUND AT THE WHEEL.
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AND I REALLY, I REALLY WANTED TO GET AN INSIDE PERSPECTIVE.WELL, AND TOO, AND Y'ALL TALKING ABOUT, UM, POSSIBLY WORKING ON THESE TRUCKS NOW YOU'VE GOT A HAZMAT THING GOING ON THERE, YOU KNOW, SAY, SAY, HE'S TRYING TO DRAIN ALL AND HE DOESN'T CATCH ALL THE OIL AND NOW YOU GOT IT OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET AND THE FIRST GOOD RAINSTORM COMES BY.
YOU GOT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD, AND AS A PROFESSIONAL DRIVER, THAT WOULD BE UNACCEPTABLE TO ME.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU, IT'S NOT THE NORM BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE WORKED WITH AS YOU SAW DURING THE PANDEMIC, THEY WERE OUT THERE BRINGING THE GOODS TO EVERYBODY WHEN Y'ALL WERE AT HOME OR ALL.
YOU KNOW, THEY BASICALLY PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OWNER OPERATORS TO ALL OF THEM WERE OUT THERE AND IT WASN'T JUST TO MAKE A LIVING.
YOU KNOW, THERE THERE'S A, A CERTAIN, UH, LOYALTY THAT GOES BEYOND WHAT I WOULD COMPARE IT, YOU KNOW, THE DRIVERS TO COME TO THE TWO Y'ALL'S, UH, COMRADERY AND, AND THE WAY Y'ALL FEEL ABOUT ONE ANOTHER.
AND THERE'S NO BODY THAT, UH, HAS A PROBLEM MORE WITH A BAD TRUCK DRIVER THAN A GOOD TRUCK DRIVER.
JUST LIKE, I'M SURE THERE'S NOBODY THAT HAS MY, MY GRANDDAUGHTER IS A POLICE OFFICER.
SO I KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL, DON'T TOLERATE BAD OFFICERS, YOU KNOW? SO I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
I MEAN, I'VE, I HAD ONE, UH, I LIVE IN RALEIGH AT, AND I HAD A GUY NEXT DOOR TO ME AND HE DROVE FOR STEVENS AND HE BROUGHT THAT TRUCK DOWN, DOWN THAT STREET AND PARKED IT.
AND I WAS THE FIRST ONE KNOCKING ON HIS DOOR AND I SAID, MAN, YOU KNOW, BETTER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, THINK, THINK OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN HERE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, UH, I AGREE.
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAY IN THERE, BUT I JUST, I, UH, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO WRAP MY MIND AROUND AS A DRIVER, SOMEBODY PURPOSELY TAKING AN 18 WHEELER INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND CREATING A HAZARD LIKE THAT.
SO, I MEAN, I HAVE ALL THAT HELL IT DOES.
CAUSE I REALLY WANTED, I REALLY WANTED YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THIS.
AND MY, MY LAST QUESTION FOR YOU IS AS SOON AS THE BET, THE OPTION THAT HE GAVE.
RIGHT, RIGHT NOW, IF, IF, UH, OUR, UM, FOR OUR TEAM GOES OUT AND, UM, THEY DO ISSUE ONE CITATION FOR WEEKEND, UH, THE OPTION THAT MR. BETSY GAVE OF TICKETING PER INCIDENT, WHAT WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU HAVE ANY, ANY, WOULD YOU BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT OPTION? ABSOLUTELY.
AND DO YOU DO, ARE ANY OF, Y'ALL FAMILIAR WITH FMC S A DRIVER REGULATIONS, ALL OF THAT.
THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I WASN'T HERE.
WELL, WHAT HAPPENS THAT DRIVERS SAY HE, UM, YOU CAN ONLY RUN 70 HOURS IN EIGHT DAYS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE OFF A 34 HOUR BEFORE YOU CAN RESTART YOUR CLOCK BACK TO ZERO AND TAKE OFF SO THAT I CAN SEE WHERE MAYBE THEM STAYING GONE FOR THREE DAYS, WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THEY'RE RUNNING, THEY'RE RUNNING THEIR CLOCK UNTIL I GET TO THIS AREA TO WHERE THEY CAN BE HOME.
WELL, I'VE GOT 34 HOURS OFF HERE, YOU KNOW, AND THEY CAN'T GET BEHIND THE WHEEL AGAIN WITHOUT BEING IN VIOLATION OF THE REGULATIONS FOR 34 HOURS.
SO TO ME, IF, IF, IF, IF I WAS SITTING IN Y'ALL'S CHAIRS, THE, THE OPTION OF, OF SIDING EVERY DAY WOULD BE AN INCENTIVE TO SAY, HEY, FELLA, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE OFF 34 HOURS HERE, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS BASICALLY THREE DAYS, YOU KNOW? SO, UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT TIME OF DAY HE GETS IN THERE, IT CAN GO UP TO THREE DAYS.
AND DEPENDING ON WHEN HIS, HIS, UH, HIS DISPATCHER OR HIS COMPANY, OR WHOEVER CALLS HIM, HE MIGHT BE HERE FIVE DAYS, YOU KNOW? SO, UH, YOU KNOW, BUT IN DEFENSE OF THE DRIVERS THEMSELVES, A LOT OF TIMES THEY MAY WANT TO PARK SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT THEY GET INTO THESE TO, TO UNLOAD.
AND WHAT'LL HAPPEN IS YOU CAN ONLY, YOU CANNOT DRIVE PAST THE 14TH HOUR OR THE 11 AND 14,
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UH, THE COMBINATION OF DRIVING AND WORKING 14 HOURS.YOU CAN'T BE BEHIND THE WHEEL AFTER THE 11TH HOUR.
SO WHAT'LL HAPPEN A LOT OF TIMES IS THESE DRIVERS ARE COME IN AND THEY'VE GOT AN EIGHT O'CLOCK DELIVERY AND YOUR SHIPPER HAS SET UP 20 DRIVERS COME IN THERE AND GET UNLOADED AT EIGHT O'CLOCK.
AND AFTER THAT 14TH HOUR, HE CAN'T MOVE THAT TRUCK BY DLT REGULATIONS.
SO A LOT OF TIMES THESE GUYS ARE KIND OF IN A CATCH 22, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IF, IF HE'S IN VIOLATION OF THE REGULATIONS AND MY GOOD FRIEND, OFFICER CROCKETT STOPPED SEEING THE FIRST THING HE'S GOING, WHOA, LOOK AT, HE SAID, LET ME SEE YOUR, YOUR ELD OR YOUR LOGS.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND HE'S GOING TO PUT HIM OUT OF SERVICE RIGHT THERE, WHERE HE'S AT.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS, I LAY ON COMMUNICATION.
I MEAN, AND I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S NOT SOME BAD DRIVERS OUT THERE AND, AND THEY JUST DON'T, YOU KNOW, THEY DISREGARD THE, THE LAW, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, A LOT OF THESE GUYS MAY, MAY BE UP AGAINST THE WALL HERE.
THEY'RE SENT THERE TO BE AT A CERTAIN TIME.
THEN THE SHIPPER SAYS, NO, I CAN'T LIE, UNLOAD YOU TILL TOMORROW.
AND HE CAN'T, HE CAN'T GET BEHIND THE WHEEL.
WHAT'S HE SUPPOSED TO DO? NOW? HE CANNOT EVEN GET BEHIND THE WHEEL TILL 10 HOURS LATER.
WELL, NOW YOU'RE INTO THE SECOND DAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN HE DOES NEED DOWNLOAD, DOES THAT HELP Y'ALL ANYWAY, YOU KIND OF UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF PROBLEM YOU'VE GOT HERE.
I MEAN, YOU YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN IT.
I WANT YOU TO TURN TO EDUCATION.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO HEAR AS IT RELATES TO, UM, UH, MR. BETTS RECOMMENDATION AND THE IMPACT THAT RECOMMENDATION AND YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THIS, BECAUSE I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT OPTION, STILL CHARGING RESIDENTIAL.
BUT I WANTED TO SEE HOW, HOW PRACTICAL WAS IT IN REAL LIFE AND YOU YOU'VE HAD, WHO YOU'VE HELPED ME UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE, THE REAL LIFE, BECAUSE, UM, AND I'M STILL TALKING RESIDENTIAL IF WE, IF WE, UH, I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT OPTION FOR, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL, BECAUSE IN PARTICULARLY, UM, UM, THE REPAIRS AND I HAD NOT EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THE HAZMAT IMPACT, BUT YOU BROUGHT THAT UP AND EXACTLY BENEFIT ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE GOT, THIS GUY, HE LOOKED LIKE HE WAS DISMANTLING THE MOTOR OR WHATEVER YOU GUYS DO, YOU KNOW, UH, WITH, WITH THING.
AND HE HAD ONE OF THOSE TRUCKS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT MEET YOU GUYS ON THE ROAD THAT MAKE HIT ONE OF THOSE GUYS THERE, AND THE ALLEY WAS BROUGHT, BUT, BUT MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT AND I'LL GET OFF.
MY CHAIR IS, YEAH, I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THAT.
SO BY REINISH WITH ME, I THINK THE OPTION OF, OF THE TICKETING IS GOOD.
I DON'T, I, I WOULD NOT THINK THAT THE OPTION OF TOWING FOR THE REASONS THAT MR. BETTS HAS POINTED OUT WOULD THAT WE WOULD BE CREATING SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T WANT TO, UH, ENFORCE.
AND LET ME SWITCH RIGHT QUICK WHILE YOU'RE THERE TO RETAIL.
ONE THING THAT AS FAR AS PARKING AND PARKING LOT, WHETHER IT'S, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, A WALMART OR AN ABANDONED STOVE, UM, I'VE GOT SEVERAL AREAS IN MY DISTRICT AND THEY'VE GOT THE SIGNAGE OUT THERE, SAYS PARKING OF 18 PLUS PROHIBITED.
UM, BUT I'VE HAD INSTANCES WHERE THE OWNER OF THE BUSINESS SAYS IS, OKAY, RIGHT.
SO, MS. , I'M GONNA THROW, I'M GONNA THROW THAT OUT THERE AS FAR AS THIS RETAIL.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IN, I TAKE THE TWO UP SEPARATELY.
SO THE RESIDENTIAL'S EASY IN TERMS OF THE LAW.
THE LAW IS IF YOU HAVE AN 18 MILLER IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, WE READY TO TAKE IT RIGHT NOW.
OUR PRACTICES ONLY ONCE EVERY THREE DAYS.
AND I THINK THAT'S A RESULT OF THE WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE ENFORCEMENT.
WE CERTAINLY COULD MODIFY THAT TO ALLOW A TICKET EVERY DAY, AND FROM TALKING TO MR. BABBITT BEFOREHAND.
UM, I THINK IT'S APPARENT THAT A $25 TICKET ONCE FOR THREE DAYS OF PARK, THERE IS NOT REALLY GOING TO GET THE JOB DONE BECAUSE HE'D PROBABLY PAY MORE TO PARK IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND, AND IT WOULD COST YOU MORE TO DRIVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND DRIVE IT BACK THEN THE $25.
BUT IF YOU DO 25, 50 75, NOW YOU'VE GOT $150 FOR THE WEEKEND.
AND IF HE COMES BACK NEXT WEEKEND, IT STARTS AT 75.
THE COMMUNITY RETAIL, THE COMMUNITY RETAIL HAS A PROBLEM WITH THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS DRAFTED.
AND IT'S, THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
SO IN A COMMUNITY RETAIL, AND THIS IS FOR COMMUNITY RETAIL AND FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
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OTHER SIMILAR, IT SAYS YOU CAN'T PARK IT OVERSIZED VEHICLE IN THE PARKING LOT.THEY CAN'T PARK IT, UH, IN THAT ANY PLACE WITHIN THAT AREA, THAT'S OWNED THAT WAY.
SO PRIVATE OR PUBLIC PROPERTY, BUT THERE'S AN AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE THEN IN FRONT OF DEFENSE, UNDER THREE D AS YOU CAN SEE IT UP HERE IS IF THE BUSINESS HAS A VALID CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY TO USE A REPAIR OVERSIZED VEHICLES, YOU'LL NOTICE WHAT'S MISSING FROM THAT.
BT FURNITURE HAS A STICKER CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY THAT ALLOWS THE, UH, THEM TO UTILIZE THE REPAIR OVERSIZED TRUCKS.
SO ANYBODY WHO PARKS, THEY'RE NOT JUST TO BT SCOTT, ANYBODY WHO'S GOT THERE HAS THAT AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE.
WHY DO THEY HAVE THAT AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SAY THAT THE VEHICLE HAS TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH BTS.
IT JUST SAYS, IT'S NOT, IT'S AN AFFIRMATIVE ANSWER.
THE VEHICLE WAS PARKED AT A BUSINESS THAT HAS A VALID CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY TO UTILIZE THE REPAIR OF A SIZED VEHICLES.
THEY HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
IT ALLOWS THEM TO USE OVERSIZED VEHICLES.
SO THE VEHICLES PARKED OUT THERE.
THE PROBLEM WE HAVE, AND TRYING TO NARROW THIS DOWN IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT A PLACE LIKE BTS, IT MAY NOT OWN MOST OF THE TRUCKS THAT WIND UP PARKING THERE, BECAUSE THERE MAY BE DELIVERY COMPANY TRUCKS THAT ARE ALLOWED TO PARK.
THERE, THERE MAY BE THE PEOPLE WHO THEY'RE DOING THE FURNITURE DELIVERIES, UH, THAT, THAT PARKED THEIR TRUCKS THERE.
THEY'RE ALLOWED TO PARK THERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT OWNED BY BTS.
IF WE MAKE THE AUDIENCE AND SAYS, IT'S GOT TO BE OWNED BY BTS, UNLESS IT'S REGISTERED TO THE VEHICLE, TO THE PLACE THAT HAS IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD NOT BE AN AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE.
WE COULD WRITE ALL OF THEM TICKETS, WHETHER THEY, THEY HAVE AN AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE OR NOT.
WE JUST GO OUT THERE AND TICKET EVERY ONE OF THEM AND WE CAN TICKET THEM.
AND THEN THEY CAN SHOW UP TO THE HEARING OFFICER AND PROVE THE AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE.
SO IT'S ONE THING THAT WE COULD DO, PROBABLY NOT GOING TO END UP WITH LESS TRUCKS OUT THERE, PROBABLY GOING TO END UP WITH MORE TRAFFIC IN A HEARING.
OFFICER'S PLACE THAT TELLING IN THESE PLACES IS THE SAME THING AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT I PROBABLY COULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH AN ORDINANCE THAT TIGHTENS UP THE LANGUAGE.
SO IT MAKES THE AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE ONLY APPLICABLE TO SOMEBODY WHO IS AUTHORIZED BY THE BUSINESS OWNER TO BE PARKED AT THAT LOCATION.
SO AT LEAST THE PEOPLE WHO JUST ARE THE OVERNIGHTERS, WHO THE BUSINESS SAYS, THEY DON'T REALLY WANT THERE, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY TO CHASE THEM OFF.
THEY WOULDN'T BE ENTITLED TO THE AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE.
I PROBABLY COULD TIGHTEN THE ORDINANCE UP NOW THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT SHORT OF TICKETING WHERE THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO ABOUT IT, WE'RE IN THE SAME SITUATIONS WITH RESIDENTIAL.
AND YOU KNOW, WHEN I, I TALKED TO MR. BABBITT AHEAD OF TIME, AND HE, HE TOLD ME THE SAME THINGS THAT THE DEPUTY'S REPORT TO ME, THE DEPUTY'S REPORT TO ME, THEY GO OUT THERE AND THEY FIND A TRUCK PARKED IN BTS AND KNOCK ON THE DOOR.
THE TRUCK, THE GUY COMES OUT AND SAID, LOOK, YOU CAN'T PARK HERE.
WHY ARE YOU HERE? AND THE GUY SAYS, LOOK, I'M SUPPOSED TO UNLOAD THIS VEHICLE DOWN HERE AT WALMART OR WHEREVER, BUT THEY CAN'T UNLOAD IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EMPLOYEES.
THEY USED TO HAVE THREE TEAMS THAT PEOPLE DON'T LOAD TRUCKS FOR THE THREE DAYS.
THEY ONLY HAVE ONE TEAM CAUSE THEY CAN'T HIRE EMPLOYEES.
SO THEY TOLD ME, COME BACK TOMORROW, WHERE AM I SUPPOSED TO GO? THE GUY SAYS, LOOK, WELL, YOU CAN'T STAY HERE.
WE TELL THEM, OKAY, WELL, WHERE WILL I GO? HE SAYS, NO TRUCK STOP ALL THE WAY.
THE OTHER SIDE OF ROCKWALL, WHERE WILL I GO WITH THIS TRUCK? WELL, YOU CAN'T STAY HERE AND WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THEM.
EVERY TIME WE SEE A MAN, WE GET CALLS AND RESIDENTS CALL.
I SEE A TRUCK IN A PARKING LOT, BIG, EMPTY PARKING LOT ON A SATURDAY, TWO OR THREE TRUCKS PARKED OUT THERE.
THE RESIDENTS WILL PUT THEM INTO ESS TO CALL US.
WE GO OUT THERE, TRY TO TRACK THEM DOWN, TRACK THEM DOWN, GET THEM TO MOVE USUALLY WITHIN 12 HOURS OR SO THEY'RE GONE.
SO YOU MEANT TO TELL ME THAT, UM, WALMART, A DRIVER GUIDE FOR WALMART.
THEY TOLD HIM HE CAME ON UNLOAD.
HE CAME PARKED ON HIS PARKING LOT OVERNIGHT.
YEAH, WELL, SOMETIMES THEY ARE PARKED ON WALMART PARKING LOT AND WE GET THOSE AT BEST BUY THAT DELIVERY GUY FROM BEST BUY.
WE GET THE DELIVERY GUY FROM BEST BUY WILL COME UP THERE AND, AND WE'LL GO OUT THERE.
WE'LL GET A CALL SAYING, THERE'S TRUCKS AT BEST BUY.
AND WE'LL GO FIND THE GUY AND SAY, YEAH, I'M, I'M DELIVERING HERE IN THE MORNING.
THEY JUST DON'T HAVE ANY EMPLOYEES RIGHT NOW TO UNLOAD THIS STOCK BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY SHORT ON EMPLOYEES.
AND SO THEN THEY'RE IN THE BEST BUY PARKING LOT.
WE PROBABLY COULD CHASE THEM OFF TO ONE OF THE OTHER PARKING LOTS.
THEY, WHAT THEY DO A LOT OF TIMES IS THEY'RE BROKERING TO A BUSINESS THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF PARKING SPACE AND THEY NEED A PLACE TO PARK AND THEY LOOK AND THEY SEE BTS BIG AND BTS IS A HUGE, EMPTY PARKING LOT.
NOT TO DISPARAGE BTS, BUT ANYBODY WHO DRIVES PAST THEIR WONDERS, HOW THE HECK THEY STAY IN BUSINESS BECAUSE YOU NEVER SEE ANYBODY PARKED THERE.
PEOPLE DO DONUTS IN THE DRIVEWAY, IN THE PARKING LOT.
AND THEY, AND THEY USE IT AS A CUT-THROUGH IT'S THIS GIANT 200 ACRE, 200, TWO ACRE EMPTY PARKING LOT.
AND YOU GOT TO WONDER IF I WAS A TRUCK DRIVER.
I'D PROBABLY LOOK AND I GO THERE.
I WOULDN'T BE BOTHERING ANYBODY THERE AND PARKED THERE.
THEY DON'T REALIZE THE RESIDENTS DON'T LIKE IT.
SO THE RESIDENTS CALL AND WE GO OUT AND THEY TELL US I'M MAKING A DELIVERY SOMEPLACE, BUT THEY CAN'T TAKE ME TODAY.
THEY CAN'T TAKE ME TO TOMORROW AND WE TELL THEM, WELL, YOU CAN'T STAY HERE.
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AND THEN WE GET FROM THEM.WELL, WHERE DO YOU WANT ME TO GO? AND I'M LIKE, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHERE TO GO.
I JUST CAN TELL YOU, YOU CAN'T STAY HERE.
AND THEN THEY LEAVE AND WE ASSUME THEY GO OFF TO SOME OTHER SIMILAR PARKING LOT WHERE THE NEIGHBORS HADN'T CALLED, UH, MY ON, UM, 40, 40 PARTIAL LANE.
UH, WE FOUGHT IT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF AND THEY FINALLY GOT THE CEO AND OWN THAT STRAIGHTEN HIM OUT.
BUT THAT'S FOR TRUCKERS PARK TO PARK, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY.
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PAY THOSE PEOPLE TO PARK THEIR RIGS OVER THERE.
I WOULD SAY ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS HERE AFTER WE FIX THE ORDINANCE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE AN AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE AND THE PLACES THAT THEY HAVE BEEN PARKING DO HAVE AS PART OF THEIR CEO, THE RIGHT TO HAVE TRUCKS, WE NEED TO MAKE IT.
SO IT'S GOT TO BE A TRUCK THAT IS AUTHORIZED BY THE BUSINESS WITH THE CEO TO PARK THERE.
ONCE WE DO THAT, I THINK THE SECOND PART OF SOLUTION IS SIMILAR TO THE RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS LET'S TAKE IT TO THEM EVERY CALENDAR DAY, BECAUSE IF I'M ONLY GETTING $25 TICKET AND THEY'RE CHARGING ME $32 TO PARK ON THE LOT OVER HERE, I'M SAVING MONEY BY PARKING THERE.
BUT IF I DO 25, 50 75, AND HE'S GOT TO PAY 150 BUCKS FOR THE WEEKEND, WELL, I MEAN, IT MAY NOT, BUT IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO.
WE CAN'T REALLY TELL THEM WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THEM.
NO, BUT WE CAN RAISE THE PRICE OF THE TICKET.
YOU COULD CHANGE THE, YOU COULD CHANGE THE ADMINISTRATIVE ENFORCEMENT PRICE ON THIS OFFENSE INSTEAD OF MAKING CARS.
AND I CAN, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THE TICKET WRITERS, ONCE THE COUNCIL, IF YOU CHANGE AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT FOR 18 WHEELERS, IT'S STARTING AT A HUNDRED DOLLARS, A HUNDRED, 200, 300 AND DO IT 1, 2, 3 DAYS LIKE THAT.
THEN IT WOULD BE CHEAPER FOR THEM TO GO PARK SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY'RE PAYING THAN TO PAY THE HUNDRED DOLLARS TO PARK.
WHAT MR. BABBITT IS STUCK IN THE BATON THAT'S, UM, COMPANIES, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE COMPANY TRUCKS ABOUT PARKING AND ALL THAT COMPANY TRUCKS.
THESE ARE INDIVIDUAL TRUCKS UNDERSTAND THEY'RE THE OWNERS.
AND YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? OWNER OPERATORS.
SO I KNOW MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION? YEAH.
Y'ALL UH, Y'ALL MEET YOU IN THAT YOU PULL UP.
AND THE DRIVER SAID, WELL, I'M UNLOADING HERE IN THE MORNING.
NOW I'LL DEFER THIS QUESTION TO YOU.
ANY OFFICER CAN ASK THEM TO LOOK AT THOSE BILLS, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
WELL THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD SOLVE A LOT RIGHT THERE.
I MEAN, IT WOULD DETER THEM BECAUSE LET ME SAY ANY OFFICER HAS THE AUTHORITY TO, BUT THEY'RE NOT TRAINED TO, SO WE HAVE ONE OFFICER THAT'S TRAINED ON CROCKETT.
CAN THEY DO IT WHEN THE VEHICLE IS ACTUALLY PARKED NOW BEING UPPING THEIR PARKS.
NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VEHICLE RIDING ON A PUBLIC ROADWAY.
BUT IF HE SAYS, WELL, I'M DELIVERING IT BEST BUY IN THE MORNING AND I'M UNLOADING 50 TVS OR 20 REFRIGERATORS OR WHATEVER.
IF YOU, IF YOU HAD THE ABILITY TO SAY, WELL, MAY I SEE YOUR BILLS? AND THEN YOU WOULD KNOW WHETHER WHERE THE HEAT BELONGED ON THAT PARKING LOT.
AND MR. BABBITT, JUST SO YOU KNOW, UM, THE PARKING ENFORCEMENT IN THE CITY OF GARLAND HAS BEEN CHANGED TO A CIVIL ENFORCEMENT IN THE MARSHALL'S HANDLE PARKING ENFORCEMENT.
NOW, IF THERE'S A MOVING VIOLATION OR IF THEY'RE ON THE STREETS THAT'S, AND THAT WAS CAUSE I, I HEARD THAT AND THE GUY, YOU KNOW, HE COULD BE JUST SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, I'M UNLOADING HERE TOMORROW.
AND HE GOT A THING ON, ON THERE AND THAT WHOLE SHOPPING STRIP, SO RIGHT.
BUT I, AND MAYBE I GOT OUT OF LINE THERE, BUT IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT I HAD IN MY MIND.
CAN I HOLD ON, I'M IN THE PARKING, LIKE ON A SAY, UM, SAY ON, UM, SAY LIKE WALMART PARKING, WHEN PEOPLE START PARKING THEIR TRUCKS THERE OVERNIGHT.
SAY LIKE FROM SIX O'CLOCK AT NIGHT TO SEVEN IN THE MORNING OR WHATEVER, THROUGH YOUR CLOCKS AND THE, UM, WALMART HAS M A C O ON PARKING, HOW MANY CARS CAN PARK THERE? SO THEY STARTED TALKING, YOU PARKED THREE OR FOUR TRUCKS THERE.
THEY TAKE A BUNCH OF PARKING SPACES, WENT IN THAT'S.
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BUSINESS SAYS IT'S OKAY, OR JUST THE OVERNIGHT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE OR FOUR DAYS, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST OVERNIGHT.AND DON'T WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, GO AHEAD, BJ, THE COMMUNITY RETAIL, THE FINISHED PRESENTATION, I THINK CLARIFICATION MS. GOING BACK TO MR. BETS AGAIN, UM, UH, CLARIFYING THAT LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE, I THINK WOULD REALLY HELP BECAUSE BT IS RIGHT IN THE HEART OF MY DISTRICT AND I'VE TALKED TO HIM AND MARSHALL'S ABOUT THAT AND IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO WALMART AND, AND, UH, AND I GET THOSE CALLS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM, I DON'T EVEN REFER TO COMMERCIALS BECAUSE IT JUST, IT'S JUST THE VOLUME, JUST GETTING PARTICULARLY ON WEEKENDS AND IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO RIGHT NEXT TO A QT AND WALMART'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
SO IT'S ALL KINDS OF, AND, UH, SO I THINK CLARIFICATION, CLARIFICATION OF THE LANGUAGE HERE, BECAUSE I WAS NOT AWARE UNTIL I WAS TOLD ABOUT THE CEO AND, AND THEY HAD THAT PROVISION BBT PARTICULARLY, UH, BECAUSE I'VE TALKED TO THE MANAGER DOWN THERE, I SHOULD HAVE HAD CONVERSATION WITH SOME OF THE DRIVERS THAT I STOPPED.
AND, UH, BECAUSE NOT ONLY AT BT ARE THERE ARE, ARE TRADITIONAL LONG HAULERS AND, BUT THERE'VE BEEN DUMP TRUCKS AND NOT JUST BEEN DUMP TRUCKS, PEOPLE HAULED IN GRAVEL, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, IT'S A BIT OF A MIX DOWN THERE AT, AT, AT BT NOW, JUST THAT JUST THE LONG HAULERS DOWN THERE.
SO I, I THINK CLARIFICATION ON THE LANGUAGE AND THEN, UH, CONSIDERATION OF, UH, YOU KNOW, INCREASING THE, THE, THE TICKET AND I'M GONNA THROW THIS OUT.
UM, IT WAS THE BEDS AND CHIEF AND RICK OVER THERE, UH, NEW COMMUNITY RETAIL.
WE'VE GOT THE SIGNAGE, BT HAD SIGNAGE ALL OVER.
THEY GOT SIGNED ON, THEY WERE POST DOWN THERE TO, TO, TO ON SOME POSTS.
UM, BUT DO YOU THINK THAT IN ADDITION TO CLARIFYING CHANGES IN LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE, DO YOU THINK THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE AND EITHER THE COMMUNITY RETAIL OR THE RESIDENTIAL? WHAT, WHAT FURTHER ASSIST AND, UM, IN ADDRESSING THIS PROBLEM, WE, I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE, WE, I DON'T MIND THAT WE DON'T HAVE VERY MANY SIGNS IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SAYS NO OVERSIGHT VEHICLES, PARKING.
WE MAY HAVE A COUPLE AROUND SCHOOLS, BUT I DON'T, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT FREQUENT THAT I KNOW THEY'RE NOT ON NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.
SO I'M THROWING THIS OUT TO YOU, CHIEF, UH, RICK, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS FROM A SIGNAGE STANDPOINT, PARTICULARLY IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD DO ANY GOOD OR WHAT DO YOU, WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT DO YOU ALL START? SO ON THAT? SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THEM SEVERAL IN THE COMMUNITY, RETAIL, THE SIGNS BTS IS A POSTER CHILD FOR THE FACT THAT THE FACT THAT THE SIGNS HAVE DONE ALMOST NO GOOD WHATSOEVER.
THERE'S A SIGN ON EVERY POLE OUT THERE TELLING PEOPLE NOT TO PARK THERE, UNLESS IT'S PTS PARKING AND PEOPLE PARK THERE FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY WANT.
AND PTS DOESN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO TELL THEM WHY THEY'RE EXPENSIVE.
UH, IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU COULD PUT SIGNS UP THAT SAY NO TRUCK PARKING.
ALTHOUGH I THINK BOTH THE TRUCKERS AND THE, THE CITIZENS UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL PARKING OF 18 WHEELERS.
AND I ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE WHEN IT HAPPENS, LITERALLY THEY WILL CALL DISPATCH AND DISPATCH WILL DISPATCH ONE OF MY, MY, MY MARSHALL'S OUT THERE.
WHEN WE, WHEN THERE'S AN 18 MILLION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE KNOW ABOUT IT, LIKE IN 15 MINUTES, CAUSE THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD COMPLAINTS, AND THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE SPEND THE MOST TIME ON TO TRY TO FIND OUT, UNLIKE THE COMMUNITY RETAIL.
WELL, WE'LL TRY, WE TRY TO FIND IT AND TRY TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THEIR UNCLE.
NO, WE WERE TOLD THIS VEHICLE AWAY.
AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I THINK IF WE PUT HIRED TICKETS ON AND WE TAKE CARE OF THEM EVERY DAY, I THINK YOU'D GET BETTER COMPLIANCE.
I DON'T THINK SIGNS WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
CAUSE THE 18 WHEELER WAS, HE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO PARK THERE.
THEY'RE THERE 18 WHEELERS THAT PARK ON A NEIGHBORHOOD, A NEIGHBORHOOD TO MOVE MOVERS, TRUCK AND MOVERS.
THEY G THEY BRING AN 18 WHEELER FULL OF, TO UNLOAD AT A HOUSE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO PARKED OVERNIGHT.
HE JUST PARKED THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE THAT WEEKEND.
AND IT'S A MAJORITY OF THE TRUCKERS.
I MEAN LIKE MR. BEVIN KNOWS THAT YOU DON'T PARK IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
ANYONE WHO'S GOT ANYWHERE, ANYWHERE, ANYWHERE CDL THE UNITED STATES TEAM WHEELER KNOWS THAT.
AND IF I MAY SAY SOMETHING AGAIN, THERE HAS TO BE MORE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN YOUR SHIPPERS
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AND YOUR BROKERS AND YOUR DISPATCHERS.AND IF THAT SHIPPER LIKE, LIKE HE SAID EARLIER, SAYS, WELL, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A FIVE PEOPLE TODAY, GET A HOLD OF THAT.
BROKER, GET A HOLD OF THAT COMPANY, THE DISPATCHER AND THAT OWNER OPERATOR, HE'S GOT A BROKER THAT'S THAT GAVE HIM THAT LOAD, GET A HOLD OF THAT DRIVER.
AND MAYBE HE CAN PARK NORTH OF GAINESVILLE SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, THREE HOURS AS A HEY MAN.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET TO Y'ALL TO LAURA.
YOU KNOW, HE MAY BE ABLE TO, BUT A LOT OF THIS I FEEL, AND I'M NOT SAYING ALL OF IT.
I MEAN, Y'ALL BOUGHT UP SOME GREAT POINTS, BUT SO MUCH OF THIS IS JUST THE COMMUNICATION IS NOT THERE.
AND THOSE DRIVERS CAN BE GOTTEN IN CONTACT WITH, AND IF THEY HAVE A HEADS UP, THEN THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN MAKE PLANS TO SAY, HEY, I NEED TO STOP.
AND, UH, MR. BABBITT, WE CAN'T.
CAN'T GET YOU INVOLVED WITH THAT.
WELL, I JUST, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
A LOT OF Y'ALL'S PROBLEMS WAS CHIPPERS AND, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF YOUR PROBLEM IS.
AND THE DRIVER GETS IN HERE AND HE'S UNDER FMC CSA REGULATIONS THAT HE CAN'T MOVE THAT VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, AFTER HE'S GONE SO FAR AND MAYBE SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GET A HOLD OF, OF, UH, SOMEBODY WITH FMC.
UH, THEY'VE GOT AN OFFICE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT PEOPLE WE CAN TALK TO HERE, I'LL GET YOU SOME CONTACTS.
AND, AND MAYBE SOME, SOME RULES NEED TO BE CHANGED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I CAN SEE Y'ALL'S PROBLEMS. I MEAN, THOSE, ANYTIME YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING PARKED OUT THERE THAT SIZE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN A NO PARKING ZONE.
MIKE, HAVE YOU FINISHED YOUR PRESENTATION? YES, SIR.
THE, BOTH THE RETAIL SIDE AND THE ROADWAY SIDE.
UM, MR. BABBITT, UH, REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT HERE, ESPECIALLY ON SUCH SHORT NOTICE.
I DIDN'T GIVE CHIEF BRIAN A LOT OF TIME WHEN I WAS LIKE, WELL, IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN AS PREPARED AS I SHOULD.
WE, LIKE I SAID, WE APPRECIATE YOUR EXPERTISE.
I MEAN, PART OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE ARE PROBLEMS. THERE'S A REASON THERE'S A PROBLEM.
AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT OTHER PERSPECTIVE.
SO LET'S WATCH, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
UM, COUPLE OF THINGS REAL QUICK HERE.
UM, SO YEAH, I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT FINDING SOMEBODY JUST $25 A DAY FOR THREE DAYS, THAT'S NOTHING THAT THAT'S, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A NUISANCE TO GO AND PAY THE $25 THAN, THAN THE FINE.
SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF, UM, MAKING THAT DAILY AND ALSO INCREASING THE FINE AND POSSIBLY EVEN MORE PROGRESSIVELY, UM, ON THAT QUESTION, THE QUESTION WOULD BE IN, I DIDN'T EVEN, AND THIS WAS ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD IS WHAT OTHER OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE.
AND ROBERT, YOU SAID, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN RIVERA SAID THAT THERE WAS PARKING AVAILABLE AT 40, 40 FOREST LANE FOR THESE.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY CHARGE FOR THAT? NO.
CAN WE, CAN WE FIND THAT OUT? I'LL FIND OUT FOR YOU.
BECAUSE I WOULDN'T HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE PLACE HAS EVEN CALLED, IF WE CAN FIND THAT OUT, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE, WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
AND IF PARKING IT ILLEGALLY IS CHEAPER THAN PARKING ILLEGALLY, THEN INCENTIVES GO IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
UM, ALSO, UM, SO I'VE GOTTEN MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS, BUT I ACTUALLY HAVE ONE, AN EMAIL HERE THAT I GOT REASONABLY.
SO I'D LIKE TO READ A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS.
UM, THIS IS, UM, OVER BY THE COLDWELL CENTER AND THE HOTELS BY THE COLDWELL CENTER AND IN THE WALMART BACKS UP TO THIS AREA, UH, COLDWELL THEATER IS A CONVENTION CENTER.
WE HAVE THEM, THERE'S SOME HOTELS NEXT TO IT, AND IT'S RIGHT BY WALMART AS WELL, SO EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO THEM.
WE HAVE RESIDENTIALLY OVER THERE AS WELL.
UM, SO PART OF THIS SAYS, UH, THE STAKE BED TRUCK IS A PERMANENT PARKER VAN PARKS.
THE DRIVER LEAVES IN THE TRUCK THEN RETURNS THAT EVENING PARKS AND TRUCK AND LEAVES IN THE VAN ALSO SAYS, UM, I'M JUST READING THE THINGS RELATED TO 18 WHEELERS, UH, TALKS ABOUT THE PARKING LOT OF WALMART AND SAM'S IS EQUALLY BAD WITH EXTENDED LINKS, TRAILERS, 18 WHEELERS, PUMP TRUCKS, STEAK, BED TRUCKS, LARGE BOX TRUCKS, BOX TRUCKS.
I'VE WATCHED DRIVERS DROP, DROP THEIR TRAILERS AND DRIVE OFF IN THE TRACTORS CARS, PULL UP AND MAKE CONTACT WITH THE DRIVER, DRIVE AWAY, SOUNDING AIR HORNS.
SO, MIKE, THIS WILL BE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
DO WE HAVE ORDINANCES THAT ARE, UM, THAT, UH, DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE CAB AND THE TRAILER OR SOMEBODY CAN, SOMEBODY JUST DROP OFF THEIR DROP OFF THEIR TRAILER AND LEAVE, LEAVE IT TO THE TRAILER IS
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ALSO GOING TO BE AN OVERSIZED VEHICLE BY ITSELF.THE PROBLEM IS, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, THESE ARE GOING TO BE BACK IN THE AREA WHERE WE'LL HAVE TO FIX THE AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE DEFENSE LANGUAGE, BECAUSE WALMART IS AUTHORIZED TO HAVE TRUCKS AND SOMEBODY, AND, AND SOME OTHER BUSINESSES YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT ARE AUTHORIZED TO HAVE TRUCKS, BUT YES, WE COULD WRITE THE TRAILER IF IT WAS THERE AND NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE WALMART.
THE TRAILER JUST SEEMS ATTRACTIVE.
THE PROBLEMS WRITING THE TRAILER OF COURSE, IS FIGURING OUT WHO THE OWNERSHIP IS AND HOW YOU I'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE DO THAT.
WE HAVEN'T RUN INTO A TON OF TRAILERS WITHOUT THE TRACTORS THERE.
IT'S NOT BEEN, IT'S NOT BEEN A COMMON PROBLEM.
WE MAY HAVE HAD IT A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT TYPICALLY WE FIND THEM IN THE TRAILER AND THE TRACTOR, AND IT'S ALL PARKED THERE.
AND SOMETIMES THE GUYS IN THERE SLEEPING, AND SOMETIMES HE'S OFF DOING WHATEVER HE'S DOING AND THAT'S JUST WHERE HE PARKED FOR THE WEEKEND.
AND, UM, AND MR. BABBITT, PART OF WHAT I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND FROM THE TRUCKERS PERSPECTIVE IS WHAT NEEDS THERE ARE AND WHAT CURRENT OPTIONS WE HAVE NEARBY AVAILABLE.
AND LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE THING YOU POINTED OUT, WHICH IS GREAT, YOU KNOW, IN, AND OF COURSE WE CAN'T COMMUNICATE WITH THEM AND THEIR BROKER AND ALL THAT, BUT WHAT YOU POINTED OUT IS THAT IS AN OPTION AVAILABLE TO THEM.
AND IF THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR THEM, BUT THAT'S, THAT OF COURSE IS SOMETHING WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER, BUT ARE THERE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE? UM, AND THEN WHAT ARE THE NEEDS, UM, THAT THE TRUCKERS HAVE WELL, AS I SPOKE TO YOU EARLIER, UM, I'VE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THIS CAUSE YOU KNOW, IT, IT, THE PARKING IS A BIG, PROBABLY ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE PROBLEMS IN OUR INDUSTRY RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT 3.4 MILLION TRUCK DRIVERS OUT THERE.
AND EACH ONE OF THOSE RIGS, UH, SOMEWHERE AROUND 90 FEET LONG.
SO YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES UP A LOT OF AREA, BUT LIKE I TOLD HIM IF, IF ANY CITY ARE, HAS LAND, THAT THERE ARE WAREHOUSES THAT THEY'RE NOT USING OR WHATEVER, OR IF, IF THERE'S, UH, A WAREHOUSE DISTRICT WHERE THERE THERE'S EMPTY SPACE, IF THERE WAS SOME KIND OF, UH, USED IT KIND OF LIKE A SATELLITE SYSTEM FOR THESE COMPANIES AND, AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM SOME KIND OF TAX BREAK TO WHERE THEY COULD SEND THOSE TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, OKAY, MY, MY DOCS ARE FULL.
I DON'T HAVE ANY ROOM FOR ANY OTHER TRUCKS GO OVER HERE TO SO-AND-SO ADDRESS.
WE WILL HAVE A, A KIND OF LIKE WHEN YOU GO OUT TO EAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL SAY, WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO BE HERE A WHILE.
YOU GIVE THEM, GIVE THEM SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN WHENEVER IT'S TIME FOR THEM TO COME AND UNLOAD OR WITHIN 30, 45 MINUTES OF COMING TO UNLOAD, BUT THEY CAN STILL GET ON THEIR YARD, MAYBE COME OVER THERE.
YOU KNOW, THEY CAN LEAVE, LEAVE THAT LOT AND COME OVER THERE.
AND THEN BY THE TIME THEY GET THERE, YOU'VE GOT A TRUCK GOING OUT AND YOU GOT A TRUCK COMING IN.
SO IT WOULD HELP LOGISTICALLY LIKE THAT.
UH, I KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I RAN OUT OF DALLAS, UH, OF THERE BY THE OLD TEXAS STADIUM.
AND, UH, I CAN'T TELL YOU, UH, GOING THROUGH A LOT OF THESE CITIES AND INTO SOME OF THESE AREAS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, IT WAS JUST WASTED SPACE.
AND OF COURSE HE MENTIONED THE FACT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT POSSIBLY PROSTITUTES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT PROBLEM IF YOU'VE GOT A FENCE AROUND IT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD BE GOING INTO BASICALLY IS A GUIDED OUR FENCE YARD.
SO IT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST AN IDEA, BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE, THE MAIN, I WOULD SAY, 95% OF YOUR DRIVERS, THEY DON'T WANT TO BREAK THE LAW.
THEY WANT TO BE COMPLIANT, BUT SO MANY TIMES THEY THEY'RE JUST CAUGHT BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD SPOT THERE.
SO DOES THAT HELP ANY, DOES IT, DOES MIKE HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU? SO IS, AND I, I, I GUESS I CAN JUST ASSUME, OR I WOULD GUESS, RIGHT.
IF WE HAD A MAIN BUSINESS WHOSE TRUCKER'S OFFENDED WOULD BE WALMART, BUT WOULD I BE CORRECT IN THAT ASSUMPTION? UH, OR IS IT REALLY SPREAD OUT? IT'S REALLY SPREAD OUT.
THEY TEND TO PARK AT BTS BECAUSE THERE ARE 30.
IF THEY GET OFF THERE, THAT'S THE BIGGEST PARKING LOT CLOSEST TO .
BUT, BUT I WOULD WONDER FROM MR. BABBITT, IF THERE'S AN INDUSTRY GROUP THAT WE COULDN'T REACH OUT TO, WHO'S IN TOUCH WITH THE PEOPLE WHO HE SUGGESTED WE TALK TO AND JUST LET THEM KNOW, HEY, WE'RE TAKING ENFORCEMENT, SERIOUSLY, FINES ARE GOING UP, YADA, YADA, YADA.
AND THEN TO THE EXTENT THAT THE COUNCIL COMES UP WITH OPTIONS OF WHERE THESE PEOPLE CAN PARK, TELL THEM THIS IS WHERE YOU NEED TO PARK.
AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A GOOD WAY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THE INDUSTRY, WITH YOUR SIDE OF THE INDUSTRY
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TO PUT THE WORD OUT.AND SO MAYBE WE COULD PARTNER TOGETHER ON THAT AND FIGURE OUT, OKAY, HERE'S THE MESSAGE THE CITY WANTS TO PUT OUT.
SO THESE TRUCKS STOP PARKING THERE.
AND THEN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SHIPPERS AND ALL GET TOLD, TELL THEIR PEOPLE, LOOK, YOU PARK IN THESE LOTS AND YOU PARK IN THESE RESIDENTIAL AS YOU'RE GONNA GET BIG TICKETS STARTING SOON, BUT THE CITY HAS THESE OPTIONS FOR YOU TO PARK.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU FURTHER, AND I HAVE YOUR INFORMATION.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE EACH OF YOU TO OUR COUNCIL MEETING AND, UM, IT'S EVERY, EVERY SECOND TUESDAY OF EACH MONTH, IT'S AT 180 3 AT, UH, SPRING CREEK BARBECUE.
AND THIS IS THE TOP OF STUFF THAT WE ADDRESS.
AND WE TRY TO GET, GET, GET THE, UH, THE INFORMATION OUT THERE.
AND I ASSURE YOU MY NEXT MEETING, I'M GOING TO BRING THIS UP.
BUT, BUT ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR INDUSTRY TODAY IS TRUCK PARKING.
SO, UH, THERE'S ALWAYS TX TA THE TREK, TEXAS TRUCKING ASSOCIATION, UM, ATA, YOU CAN, UH, YOU CAN REACH OUT TO THEM, BUT, UH, I HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT, UH, WHEN I BROWSE ON AMERICA'S ROAD TEAM THAT I WORKED WITH WITH FMC ESSAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THEM AND GET THEIR PERSPECTIVE ON THINGS, I'D BE GLAD TO HELP Y'ALL IN ANY WAY I CAN, BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY IT'S SITUATIONS LIKE THIS, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE ONE BAD THING AND THEN YOU WANT TO PAINT THE BROOK, TAKE A BRUSH AND PAINT THE WHOLE INDUSTRY.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE TRUCKING INDUSTRY.
AND, AND, BUT I MEAN, PEOPLE, PEOPLE HAVE A TENDENCY TO TRY TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW? AND SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE Y'ALL TO, UH, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY WAY I CAN HELP YOU IN ANY WAY, OR IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'VE GOT MY CARDS AND STUFF AND, UH, AND I WILL ACTUALLY ON THE SECOND TUESDAY OF EVERY MONTH.
THAT CONFLICTS WITH ARKANSAS, HUH? YEP.
NO WORD FIRST AND THIRD, JUST TO BE CLEAR, HE SAID ABOUT IT'S AN LUNCHEON.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF COUNSELING.
NO, I WAS JUST, HE SAID LAUNCH.
I WAS JUST GOING TO REPEAT THAT AND WHAT YOU GET.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
UH, YOU HAD ANY MORE QUESTIONS? RECOMMENDATIONS.
WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND, UM, THAT WE FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATION THAT MR. BETS OF BOTH THESE TWO, I THINK CASING THE FINES, MAKING THEM DAILY AND FIXING THE ORDINANCE TO NARROW THE AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE.
I'VE GOT THOSE THREE WRITTEN DOWN.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, I MEAN, BEFORE WE JUST, YOU KNOW, RANDOMLY PICK A NUMBER, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE SHOULD INCREASE THE FINES TOO.
AND I'M WONDERING IF I LOOK UP THAT ADDRESS ON 40, 40 FOREST LANE, IF I CAN GET A BUSINESS AND LOOK AT THEIR WEBSITE, I CAN ALSO HAVE ALREADY TRIED.
I CAN HAVE ONE OF MY PEOPLE REACH OUT AND FIND OUT WHAT PARKING RATES ARE FOR THESE OVERNIGHT TRUCKS AT PLACES.
SO WE MAKE SURE THAT IT'S AT LEAST ENOUGH TO NOT DISINCENTIVE OR TO DISINCENTIVIZE THEM PROPERLY.
LET ME DO THAT THEN REQUIRE WE COME BACK HERE AND TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN.
AND I BRING TO COUNCIL THE NUMBERS THAT I'VE LEARNED FROM THAT.
SO WHEN WE PRESENT TO COUNCIL, WE'LL TELL THEM, HERE'S WHAT WE FOUND OUT THE OVERNIGHT PARKING COSTS AT VARIOUS PLACES.
SO THEY HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT FINALLY IT'D BE APPROPRIATE.
WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER MEETING ABOUT THIS BACK HERE, BRING IT HERE BEFORE WE, I LOVE THESE MEETINGS AND I'D BE HAPPY TO BE HERE.
YEAH, I LOVE, YEAH, I'D RATHER MOVE IT.
I WOULD RATHER MOVE IT ALONG FASTER.
AND HAVING MIKE FIND OUT THE PRICING AT SOME, A COUPLE OF THEM, WE'RE IN AN AGE OF AUTOMATION.
IF YOU CAN GET ME, IF YOU CAN SHARE THAT, YOU'RE THE ATTORNEY.
SO COME UP WITH A CREATIVE WAY THAT THEY CAN, I CAN EMAIL IT TO YOU.
I'LL JUST TELL THEM, RESPOND BACK TO ALL.
I'LL HAVE THAT OUT AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT.
WE'VE GOT ANOTHER MEETING COMING UP ON A SEPARATE PARKING RELATED ISSUE IN A FEW WEEKS AND I'LL HAVE IT ALL AT THAT TIME.
THEN WE CAN KICK IT AROUND HERE BEFORE WE DO YOU.
UH, DID WE DISCUSS C UH, I'M NOT SEE, THAT WOULD BE A, THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
POLICE TALK ABOUT, SEE, OKAY, WE'RE DONE WITH A AND B I WILL NOW ACHIEVE.
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UH, SO I, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND ON BRINGING THIS, UH, BACK, UH, A AND B BACK TO, TO THIS PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE ON A DAILY INCREASE IN FINE AND CHANGING THE WORDING OF THE BEVERAGE.
I'M SORRY, WHEN YOU WANT TO BRING IT BACK.
UH, IT'S YOUR PREFERENCE, YOUR MARCH, MARCH.
I GAVE YOU TIME TO DISCUSS IT WITH PEOPLE IN NOVEMBER.
AND YOU, UH, WHO'S WHO'S MY FIRST AND SECOND AND THEN ON THIS MOTION TO FIRST.
AND B J SECOND AND ALL OF, UM, OKAY.
SO WE'LL BRING THIS BACK IN MARCH.
SO WE'LL DIS WOULD DISCUSS THIS.
SO CAN WE GO TO SEE, WE CAN GO TO SEE, UM, AND I MAY ASK FOR SOME DIRECTION FROM, FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS AS WELL, AS FAR AS, UH, WHAT OUR GOAL IS ON THIS.
UH, I TALKED TO COUNCIL MEMBER AUBIN A LITTLE BIT WHEN HE MADE THE MOTION, UH, TO SEND THIS TO PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE OF, OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND WHEN I PRESENTED FLOP CAMERAS TO COUNCIL, THE ONE THING I SAID IS I DID NOT WANT TO PUT THEM INTO NEIGHBORHOODS.
I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE A BIG BROTHER EFFECT.
I KNOW A LOT OF, UH, UH, RESIDENTS MAY BE WORRIED ABOUT HAVING COUNTS, UH, UH, CAMERAS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND SO WE WANTED THIS ON THE MAIN THOROUGHFARES.
AND SO WE'VE ORDERED 45 CAMERAS RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE COMING IN WE'RE ABOUT A MONTH AWAY.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO PUT THOSE ON THE MAIN THOROUGHFARES.
THERE'S NOT ANY THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY OR WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, MR. AUBIN BROUGHT UP, WELL, WHAT IF A NEIGHBORHOOD WERE TO WANT TO VOTE IN, TO HAVE CAMERAS INTO THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS? AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT HE REFERRED TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE IS, IS THERE A WAY TO GET THAT DONE? UM, I THINK THERE IS A WAY TO GET THAT DONE.
I STILL HAVEN'T WRITTEN MY POLICY YET.
DON'T HAVE THE CAMERAS IN PLACE, SO WE DON'T KNOW THEIR FULL CAPABILITIES, UH, YET, UM, THERE ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS AS TO FAR AS THEIR USE AND ACCESSING THE DATA, BUT THAT HAS NOT BEEN A WRITTEN INTO POLICY YET.
AND SO, UM, I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS IS WHAT, WHAT DIRECTION ARE WE WANTING TO PUSH THIS AS FAR AS ARE WE WANTING CAMERAS INTO NEIGHBORHOODS AS A COUNCIL? IF SO, UM, ARE WE WANTING CONSENSUS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS? ARE WE WANTING A VOTE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS? UH, I CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
THERE IS A COST TO THESE, UM, WHICH IS $2,500 PER CAMERA PER YEAR.
UM, BUT ANYWAYS, I WAS KIND OF LOOKING FOR DIRECTIONS ON BJ.
SHE, MY THOUGHT IS, NO, I'M NOT READY TO SAY YES, PUT THEM IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO I, UH, YOU KNOW, I GO ALONG WITH YOUR INITIAL PRESENTATION AND YOUR RECOMMENDATION, IF THEY'D NOT MY UNDERSTANDING AND THAT RAW MATERIAL THAT YOU SHARED, THE INTENT WAS FOR THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES.
UM, IF IN FACT, IF, IF THERE'S SOME CONSIDERATION NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN I WOULD WANT TO HEAR FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND I WOULD THINK THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH SOME PROCESS.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T HAVE IT IN MY MIND WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A PROCESS FOR STREET HUMPS AND WE'VE GOT SH AND ALL WEEK AND ALL, WE'VE GOT A PROCESS FOR SIDEWALKS W YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, AND SO I'M THINKING ALONG THOSE LINES THAT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME PROCESS.
SO IT, IF, IF NEIGHBORHOOD A WANTS THIS, THEN THERE'S A PROCESS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD A CAN GO THROUGH TO REQUEST THIS.
AND SO IT WOULD BE THE VOICE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I'M DEFINITELY NOT IN WHEN POSTS JUST BLANKETS SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO STICK THESE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I CAN TELL YOU THE REACTION THAT YOU WOULD GET FROM TISSUE FOR MAJORITY.
YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHY I'M CHIEF THAT WE'D LOOK AT COMING UP WITH MAYBE A DRAFT PROCEDURE PATTERN THAT FILLS THINGS THAT I MENTIONED OF IF, IF WE HERE'S THE PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK WE SHOULD PROCEED WITH THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES THAT SHE RECOMMENDED IF NEIGHBORHOODS CAUSE, UH, OUR ANSWER SAID, HERE'S THE PROCESS FOR YOU TO LET THAT INTEREST BE KNOWN.
AND I THINK THE REQUEST SHOULD BE PUSHED FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS, NOT FROM THE COUNCIL, BUT LET ME, LET ME GIVE A RECOMMENDATION.
AND MR. SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS.
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A NEW RECOMMENDATION I'D LECTURE CHIEF FINISHED.SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE, GIVE US A CHANCE TO, UH, TO, TO GET THESE IN PLACE AND UNDERSTAND THEIR CAPABILITIES, TO HAVE THEIR POLICY IN PLACE.
AND WE'RE, UH, WE'RE A MONTH TO SIX WEEKS AWAY FROM THAT HAPPENING FOR IT TO BE IN PLACE.
AND THEN GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF TIME FOR THE CAPABILITIES TO BE IN PLACE APARTMENTS, HAVE THIS OPTION, WE'LL HAVE THE OPTION SOON TO PLACE THEM IN APARTMENTS.
IF WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, ONCE WE GET IT IN PLACE, IF WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD, WE CAN DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO STREET HUMPS, WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SIGNATURE FROM A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT WE COULD PLACE.
I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS THAT ARE ASKING IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
SO I THINK THERE'S A WAY WE CAN DO THIS.
UM, UH, AND I GUESS THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNCIL WOULD DECIDE TO SPLIT THAT COST OR TO INHERIT THAT COST, BUT THERE WOULD BE A COST PER CAMERA THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT.
BUT AS FAR AS DETERMINING IF A NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS IT OR NOT, I THINK WE HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW FOR THE SPREE SPEED HUMPS.
WE CAN DO SOMETHING SIMILAR, RIGHT.
SIMILAR FOR THE, UH, FOR THESE CAMERAS.
I THINK, I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO IS FOR EVERY COUNCILMAN TO HAVE THE WHOLE, UH, TOWN HALL MEETING WAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHADOW OR TOWN COUNCIL MEETING.
AND, AND YOU BE THERE TO EXPLAIN TO THEM, I THINK THAT'D BE PRETTY GOOD.
WELL, AND I'LL BRING MIKE BETTS TOO WITH ME.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT IT, YOU'RE GETTING IT STRAIGHT FROM YOU.
YOU KNOW WHAT, WELL, LET ME SAY, I'M HAPPY TO ATTEND ANY COUNT, ANY TOWN HALL MEETING ANA.
UM, I KNOW MAYBE NOT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD WANT TO DO THAT TYPE ACCOUNT, BUT ANY TIME I'M HAPPY TO ATTEND.
I WILL SAY THOUGH, IF WE, AND I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS IT.
UM, BUT I THINK THERE PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE A VOTE OF ALL THE RESIDENTS, NOT JUST WHO ATTENDS THE TOWN HALL MEETING.
AND SO, UM, I THINK THE SIGNATURE DRIVE AND VERIFY SIGNATURES, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO DO IT.
UH, AND WE CAN COME UP WITH THE FORM THAT OKAY, IF YOU WANT IT, WE, WE CAN GIVE A JUDGE IF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU NEED THIS MANY SIGNATURES AND THIS MANY NEIGHBORS AND WE CAN PUSH IT FOR IT THAT WAY AS WELL.
NOW, EDUCATIONAL, I'M HAPPY TO ATTEND ANY TOWN HALL MEETING.
WHAT DON'T WE DO THAT? GEE, WE CAN DO THAT.
COUPLE OF THINGS ON THE $2,500 A YEAR IS THAT INCLUDED THE INITIAL, UH, INITIAL EQUIPMENT AND INSTALL.
AND THEN IT'S STILL AN ADDITIONAL 2,500.
25 BECAUSE YOU'RE RENTING THE EQUIPMENT.
YOU'RE RENTING THE EQUIPMENT FOR $2,500 A YEAR.
KEEP IN MIND THAT $2,500 OR I'M SORRY, ONE CAMERA IS TWO LANES.
SO IF YOU THINK OF A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS MULTIPLE ENTRANCES AND THEY MAY HAVE A COUPLE OF MAIN THOROUGHFARES, BUT A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS MULTIPLE ENTRANCES, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO DETERMINE WHICH STREETS GET THEM AND WHICH STREETS DON'T GET THEM.
UM, AND IF THE PROGRAM THAT I'M PUTTING IN PLACE WITHOUT THIS WORKS GOOD, THEN WE HAVE THE MAIN THOROUGHFARES ALREADY COVERED.
AND SO I GUESS WE NEED TO KIND OF TO SEE IF THERE'S REALLY A NEED FOR THIS.
ARE WE HAVING CRIMES THAT GO ON SOLVED AND WE'RE NOT CATCHING THEM BY THE ONES IN THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE.
AND I'D LIKE TO GET DOWN THE LINE A LITTLE BIT TO SEE HOW THIS WORKS AND TO GIVE YOU A COUNCIL, A GOOD IDEA, HOW IT WORKS BEFORE WE PUSHED SOMETHING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO MY OPINION IS THIS, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, WAIT FOR A YEAR OF THE CURRENT FLUX STEM SO THAT WE HAVE SOME TIME, I DON'T THINK HAVING IT FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS IS GOING TO GIVE US MUCH INFORMATION.
I WOULD LIKE TO WAIT AT LEAST A YEAR, UM, OF UTILIZING THE FLOCK SYSTEM ON THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES TO SEE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA LEARN THINGS FROM THAT, RIGHT.
TO SEE IF WE EVEN FEEL THERE IS A NEED PERSONALLY, I DON'T FEEL THERE WOULD BE A NEED TO HAVE IT IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
BUT IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU SAID PEOPLE HAVE BEEN INQUIRING, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE ONE YEAR WORTH OF DATA FIRST TO DO THAT.
I THINK THAT, UH, I FEEL THAT WE'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, AND AS FAR AS GETTING, FINDING OUT WHETHER THEY WANT IT OR NOT, WE ALREADY HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE TO SPEED HOME PROGRAM.
UM, AS FAR AS PERCENTAGES AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PERCENTAGE OF VOTE, PERCENTAGE OF COSTS, THAT KIND OF THING.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS AND MY CONCERN IS OF COURSE, I MEAN, AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT A YEAR OF DATA FIRST, BUT MY CONCERNS ARE WHAT THE USE IS GOING TO BE, WHAT KIND OF PRIVACY IS INVOLVED AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO BUDGET OUR SHARE OF IT.
SO WHAT I CAN DO, UH, COUNCILMAN IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I, WHEN I GAVE THE PRESENTATION, I TALKED ABOUT, I'LL GIVE YOU UPDATES ONCE
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A QUARTER.WE CAN MAKE THAT PART OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE UPDATE.
WE CAN MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION NOW, UH, AND THEN MAKE THE FINAL DECISION A YEAR FROM NOW.
SO I'LL UPDATE THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE ONCE A QUARTER ON, ON OUR PROGRESS AND THROUGH THAT, THEN I'LL UPDATE COUNCIL ONCE A QUARTER.
UH, AND THEN TOWARDS THE END OF, UH, TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR, WE CAN MAKE A FINAL DECISION ON THIS.
I KNOW SOME RESIDENTIAL AREAS DON'T EVEN ONE, UM, DO, UH, THE HUMPS BECAUSE IT COSTS MONEY AND DATA.
YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A DECISION FOR COUNCIL TO, AS WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR THIS, UH, IS COUNCIL GOING TO PAY OR THE RESIDENT'S GONNA PAY? UM, IF, IF WE HAVE A, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WANTS TO PAY AND PUT THOSE IN RIGHT NOW, THEY CAN PUT THEM IN RIGHT NOW, THAT'S FINE.
AND, AND, AND JOIN INTO OUR PROGRAM.
AND WE HAVE THAT IN PLACE NOW, BUT YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD OSOS, YOU KNOW, WELL, I THINK A YEAR FROM NOW WHEN WE DISCUSS THIS, UM, THAT THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE TOPICS IS WHO'S GOT, I THINK, UH, I AGREE WITH JEFF ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WAITING A YEAR, SEE HOW IT'S WORKING AND, UH, BRING IT BACK TO WHOEVER'S IN PUBLIC SAFETY AND WE CAN, WHOEVER'S IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
UH, WE CAN TELL THEM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DID HERE AND THEY CAN DO IT.
UH, HOPEFULLY I'M STILL HERE AND I CAN PASS THAT ALONG.
WELL, I'LL BE HERE, I'LL BE HERE NEXT YEAR.
UH, DON'T SPEND NO ROMANS CHIEF AND DON'T BE TALKING, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU DON'T DRINK ON THE JOB.
SO WHEN WE TALKING LIKE THAT, BUT GOOD LORD WILLING, RIGHT.
BUT I, I CONCUR WITH COUNCILMAN BASKET AGAIN MY ONE YEAR.
CAUSE I, I JUST THINK, AND I'VE READ ALREADY IN SOME OTHER CITIES THAT THIS HAS BECOME A DIVISIVE ISSUE, PARTICULARLY FOR SOME HOS THEY'RE SUING EACH OTHER BECAUSE SOME OF THE LEADERS DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED, BUT SO MANY OTHER FOLK.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO, WE DON'T WANT TO GET IN ON THAT.
AND, AND I JUST BELIEVE THOROUGHLY THAT WHATEVER IT'S DONE ON THIS, THAT THIS SHOULD BE COMMUNITY DRIVEN, NOT COUNCIL DRIVEN, PARTICULARLY ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THEIR WISHES SHOULD BE PARAMOUNT, NOT WHAT HE'S SUPPOSED TO DO.
I AGREE WITH CONCUR WITH COUNCILMAN BEST RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THE ISSUES YOU'RE SEEING WITH THE HOA, THE HOA IS HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THIS ASIDE FROM ANYTHING WE'RE DOING, UH, THE HOS CAN DO THIS RIGHT NOW.
AND SO WHEN YOU SEE HOS PUT THAT IN PLACE NOW, AND THEY'RE USING THE DATA, UH, YEAH, IT'S VERY PROBLEMATIC.
SO YEAH, A COUPLE OF THEM ARE BEING SUED ALREADY.
I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM BEFORE WE MOVE ON THAT, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO COME BACK ONCE A QUARTER FOR ME TO COME BACK HERE ONCE A QUARTER, GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE FLOP, MOVE IT, MOVE THAT UPDATE TO COUNCIL.
AND THEN WE RE DISCUSS THIS IN A YEAR.
AND IF I GET A MOTION AND SECOND ON THAT, I THINK WE'RE, WE WRAPPED IT UP SECOND.
SO, UH, UM, FIVE 20 WE'RE JOURN.