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WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 15TH, 2002.[Transportation Infrastructure Mobility Committee Meeting on February 15, 2022.]
THIS IS A MEETING OF THE CITY OF GARLAND TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY COMMITTEE.I HAVE WITH ME AS OTHER MEMBERS, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM DOING HETRICK AND COUNCIL MEMBER, ED MOORE, AND ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, JUG BREAKFAST, HOSTED BY OTHER LUMINARIES.
THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS WHAT WAS THE JANUARY 18TH, 2022 MEETING MINUTES, MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR BY ACCLIMATION IS AYE.
UM, SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES, IMPLEMENTATION OF NEW SPEED HUMP DESIGN.
I JUST I'LL JUST DO A QUICK PRESENTATION, KIND OF A RECAP OF WHERE WE, WHERE WE WERE AND THEN I'LL, AND THEN I THINK, UH, YOU GUYS ARE OR WANTING TO DISCUSS IT.
SO, UM, JUST REAL QUICK, UH, WE WENT TO OUT IN THE FIELD LAST MONTH AND HAD OUR FIELD DEMONSTRATION OF THE SPLIT SPEED HUMPS.
UH, TWO SPEED HUMPS, A HALF OF WHICH ARE 50 FEET APART.
UH, WE HAD, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OUT THERE WITH AMBULANCE AND THE, THEIR BIG LADDER TRUCK.
AND, UH, WE DID HAVE EARLIER IN THE DAY WE HAD A SCHOOL BUS GO THROUGH.
UH, WE HAD A DARK BUS GO THROUGH AND EVERY, IT SEEMED PRETTY MUCH THE CONSENSUS.
I BELIEVE THAT, UM, EVERYBODY SEEMED TO FEEL LIKE IT WAS, IT WAS A GOOD DESIGN.
UM, SO JUST TO, JUST TO KIND OF MOVE FORWARD, IT'S UH, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE, WE MADE SOME CHANGES LAST YEAR TO THE SPEED HUMP, UH, POLICY, UH, PROGRAM.
AND, UH, WE, WE REQUIRED A SPEED STUDY NOW, WHICH, UH, IF THEY DON'T, UH, IF THE SPEED IS NOT OVER THE, THE, UH, THE SPEED LIMIT, THEY, THEY AREN'T ALLOWED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS.
WE ALSO TOOK OFF THE TYPE F STREETS, UM, TYPE G STREETS ARE STILL ELIGIBLE AT THE MOMENT.
UM, SO MOVING FORWARD, I, I, I THINK THE, UM, THE THOUGHT AT LEAST, OR THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO, UH, BRING THE TYPE F AND STREETS BACK IN.
UM, BUT TO USE THIS, THE SPLIT SPEED HOP ON TYPE F AND TYPE G STREETS, WHICH WERE BASICALLY YOUR COLLECTOR STREETS AND NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, THAT SEEMED TO BE THE BIGGEST CONCERN WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UM, OUR SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT IT WILL BE THE ONLY, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT, WHAT FOR NEW STREETS PER NEW STREET HOPS ON, UH, NOT, NOT, NOT TO GO BACK AND TRY TO RETROFIT EXISTING STREET HUMPS.
UH, BUT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
AND, UM, I WOULD PROBABLY SUGGEST LET'S, LET'S PUT SOME OF THESE OUT THERE.
LET'S, LET'S GET A FEW OF THEM OUT THERE AND GET UNDER OUR BELT.
AND, AND THEN BEFORE WE START TRYING TO TACKLE SOME OF THE EXISTING ONES, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.
UH, I'LL, I'LL THROW IT BACK OVER TO YOU GUYS FOR WHATEVER, LIKE ANYONE, ANYONE DISCUSSION OPINIONS, THOUGHTS.
UM, I WAS THERE DURING THE DEMONSTRATION AND BASED ON, UH, I'LL HAVE SERVED A PROMISE WITH A RIDE THAT, UH, WITH ONE FEED HOME THAT, UH, THERE WAS ONE THAT WE ALL HAD SEEN, WENT ALONG WITH IT.
THEY WAS PROBABLY THE BEST DESIGN.
AND WAS THAT HOW MANY FEET WOULD THAT? I DON'T RECALL WHICH ONE IT WAS THOUGH.
THEY, THE ONE THAT THEY, UH, WE DID AT THE DEMONSTRATION THAT WAS 50 FEET APART PART.
UM, AND I, I DO AGREE THAT I DON'T SEE US GOING BACK AND RETROFITTING, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, UH, I'M NOT CLOSE TO HIM IF HE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, BUT I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I REALLY DID NOT SEE THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE OF, OF WHAT, UH, WHAT WE DID THERE THAT DAY.
UM, SO AGAIN, I'M OPEN TO HOWEVER THE COMMITTEE WANTS TO GO WITH IT.
IS THAT JUST A FEW OF THE TECHNICAL PARTS OF THE COST OF THE PROGRAM IS STILL SPLIT 50 50 BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOOD REQUESTING IT AND THE CITY INSTALL, THESE SPEED HOMES.
WE CHARGED, I MEAN THAT, WHAT WE, WHAT WE ASKED FROM THE RESIDENT $700 PER HUMP, WHICH THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN.
SO IT'S HARD TO SAY THAT'S EXACTLY.
AND, UM, THE SPEED STUDY THAT'S PERFORMED AND PAID FOR BY THE SEAT CURRENTLY.
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FINE WITH THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, EVERYONE ELSE IS FINE WITH GOING AND USING ON TYPE OF STREETS.AND I SAY, LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
DO WE HAVE AN INVENTORY OF SPEED HUMPS ACROSS THE CITY SOMEWHERE? WE GOT A LIST SOMEWHERE.
CAUSE IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE SOME OF THEM ARE KIND OF JUST LIKE, WE'RE JUST GOING TO PUT THIS IN AND IT KIND OF GETS, I DON'T WANT TO SAY FORGOTTEN, BUT KIND OF FORGOTTEN W WE HAVE A LIST SOMEWHERE.
I, I, I COULDN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW, BUT, BUT I KNOW WE DO HAVE A LIST.
UM, I, I THOUGHT THE, UM, THE MEETING THAT WE HAD LAST MONTH TO, TO KIND OF DO A FIELD TRIP AND GO, I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, I WROTE HIM BACK IN THE AMBULANCE AND I'D RATHER, I'D RATHER RIDE, RIDE HEALTHY IN THE AMBULANCE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
BUT, UM, BUT I THINK THAT IT WAS A, UH, I TH I THINK IT'LL SAVE A LOT OF ON OUR RESPONSE TIMES ON THOSE MAJOR STREETS.
SO I SUPPORT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT WHETHER THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WE COULD DO TO REDUCE JUST REGULAR VEHICLES FROM SWERVING THROUGH, UM, I GUESS ACTUALLY GIVEN THE SPEEDS THAT SOME PEOPLE TAKE ON SOME OF THESE STREETS, EVEN IF THEY HAVE TO DO THE, KIND OF THE S WHATEVER, IT'S STILL SLOWING DOWN.
UM, BUT I HAD MENTIONED, AND I THINK WHEN IT WAS INITIALLY SUGGESTED TO US, IT WAS TO PUT A MEDIAN STRIP KIND OF INFER ON THE APPROACH SO THAT IF SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY COULDN'T JUST EASILY, UH, S THEIR WAY THROUGH IT, THEY'D HAVE TO DRIVE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD FOR A LONGER TIME.
UM, BUT I THINK MAYOR PRO TEM HAD SUGGESTED, I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA THAT MAYBE WE START OFF WITH JUST PAINTING THAT OR SOMETHING AND JUST SEE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, JUST SEE HOW IT WORKS.
YOU KNOW, IF IT, IF IT'S PROBLEMATIC WITH PEOPLE, SLALOMING THROUGH THEM, YOU KNOW, START OFF WITH MAYBE PAINTING A COUPLE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE, WHAT THE RESULT IS OF THAT.
OR, AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF YOU BUILD THREE OF THEM OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, ONE'S GOT THE SLALOM AND ONE'S GOT THE PAINT AND ONE'S GOT SOME KIND OF MEDIAN OF CONCRETE OR SOMETHING.
THAT WAS TH TH THE, THE CONCERN I'D HAVE WITH A MEDIAN.
IS IT TYPICALLY IN, IN THIS PICTURE, I SHOWED YOU, SHOWS, SHOWS KIND OF A MEDIAN.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY IN SEATTLE, WHERE THEY FIRST LOOKED AT THIS, BUT, BUT WHERE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IT WAS ON A, UH, TRUE, UH, TWO LANE ROAD WITH, WITH A CONTINUOUS, UH, DOUBLE YELLOW CENTER LINE.
SO IT'S, NOBODY'S EXPECTING TO GO OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT WAS NOT A RESIDENTIAL STREET IS WHERE THEY WERE LOOKING AT IT.
MY CONCERN WITH DOING, WITH DOING IT ON A STREET.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT, DOESN'T HAVE A DOUBLE YELLOW CENTER LINE ALL THE WAY DOWN.
IT IS THAT, UM, I DON'T LIKE TO PUT THINGS IN THE ROADWAY THAT PEOPLE, FOR PEOPLE TO RUN INTO AND LIKE A CURB.
I MEAN, YOU JUST, CAUSE PEOPLE DO RUN INTO IT AND THEN THEY BREAK THEIR CAR AND WE GET COMPLAINTS.
AND THAT'S USUALLY NOT A GOOD IDEA.
SO WE TRY TO, WE TRY NOT TO PUT THINGS IN THE ROAD FOR PEOPLE TO RUN INTO, THERE'S GOING TO HARM THEIR CAR.
EVEN IF PAINT COMBINATIONS OF BUTTONS, CAUSE THAT'S A TACTILE REMINDER OF THAT'S THIS, THE MEETING THAT YOU'RE CROSSING OVER RATHER THAN JUST THE PAINT THAT'S MAY, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST IT WON'T DAMAGE YOUR CAR RUNNING OVER BUTTONS, RIGHT? YEAH.
IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I THINK THAT THAT'S GREAT IDEA.
WHAT I THINK I KNOW IS GONNA HAPPEN.
UH, I MEAN, I GET PEOPLE COMING DOWN SATURDAY SPRINGS, THEY LOVE TO COME DOWN SATURDAY SPRINGS AND THEIR SPORTS CARDS CAUSE THERE'S A CURVE IN IT.
AND THEY THINK IT'S LIKE, KNOW, LIKE THEY'RE COMING OUT OF THE CURVE AT LAGUNA SAKER OR SOMETHING.
IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, BUT YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS YOU HAD ABOUT, UH, CAUSE I LIKED THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE SOMEPLACE JUST TO KIND OF TEST IT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS YET ABOUT WHERE YOU WOULD GO FIRST OR WHAT YOU WOULD DO INITIALLY? WELL, I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT A LOT, BUT THERE IS, THERE IS ANOTHER REQUEST FOR ONE ON COUNTRY CLUB.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GO THERE.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I'M AWARE OF THERE EXTRA.
LIKE I, I WILL, UM, I WILL PUT IN THE REQUEST FOR THEM FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE I'M ABOUT TO SAY FOR BROADMORE DOWN IN NEW WORLD.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN ASKING FOR OVER THE SIX YEARS, IT'S LIKE, CAN WE DO THIS? CAN WE DO THAT? CAN WE PUT
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IN SPEED HUMPS? CAN WE PUT IN EXTRA STOP SIGNS? CAN WE PUT IN RUMBLE STRIPS? CAN WE PUT IN? YEAH.I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A REAL PROBLEM DOWN THERE, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO, TO GO AHEAD AND DO SPEED STUDY THERE AND, AND THEY WILL SUPPORT IT.
I MEAN, THEY'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS.
THEY'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS AS YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK EVERYBODY HERE WHO'S DEALT WITH NEW WORLD.
I MEAN, THEY'RE AWESOME, BUT THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED.
I HAVE ONE RESIDENT, UM, MOST OF YOU KNOW HIM WHO WILL, WHOSE UH, HOME IS ON THE CORNER OF BROADMORE AND ANOTHER STREET THAT HAS A STOP SIGN AND HE WILL SIT IN A LAWN CHAIR AND HE WILL SPEND THE DAY AND HE WILL COUNT EVERY VEHICLE.
AND I WILL GET A REPORT FOR HOW MANY VEHICLES CAME TO A FULL STOP.
HOW MANY RAN THE STOP? HOW MANY DID A ROLLING STOP? HOW MANY POLICE VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, CAME DOWN THE STREET DURING THE DAY, EVERYTHING ELSE.
UH, BUT THAT I'D BE HAPPY FOR THEM TO BE.
I'M SURE THAT FILED SOMETHING TOMORROW.
IF WE ASK AND FOR ME, I HAVE NOT HAD A COMPLAINT OUT OF COUNTRY CLUB OR EASTERN HEALED DURING THE PAST EIGHT MONTHS, WHICH IS HOW LONG I'VE BEEN A COUNCILMAN.
AND, UH, IF IT'S NOT BROKE, LET'S NOT, I MEAN, IF YOU'VE GOT A PLACE FOR THAT, YOU REALLY NEED TO TRY IT THAT ALTHOUGH ON THE REPLACEMENT PIECE OF IT, UM, I MEAN, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO TESTING OUT SOME REPLACEMENTS EITHER OR TO TALKING.
I'D KIND OF MAYBE TALK TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ABOUT A COUNTRY CLUB IS, I MEAN, I WAS TALKING WITH THE GUYS OUT THERE, UM, WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE LAST MONTH AND THEY WERE LIKE, YEAH, WE JUST AVOID COUNTRY CLUB.
THEY TAKE ALTERNATE ROUTES TO NOT GO DOWN COUNTRY CLUB.
AND IT DOES COST TIME, COST THEM A COUPLE EXTRA MINUTES, BUT, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING DOWN COUNTRY CLUB.
SO I WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO MAYBE IDENTIFYING, BUT THE PROBLEM IS LOGISTICALLY IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT BECAUSE CAUSE REALLY NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CITING, YOU KNOW, THE PLACEMENT OF TWO SPEED HUMPS AS OPPOSED TO ONE, I MEAN EFFECTIVELY, YOU KNOW, CAUSE YOU'RE PUTTING IT IN BASICALLY IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY'S HOUSE AND THE PEOPLE WHOSE HOUSES HAVE HALF OF IT IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE NOW PROBABLY DON'T CARE, BUT THE OTHER FOLKS MIGHT.
SO I DON'T KNOW, BUT I WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO IDENTIFYING, SITTING DOWN WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND IDENTIFYING ONES THAT COULD MAKE THE LARGEST IMPACT.
UH, AND THAT MIGHT BE THE, YOU KNOW, THE ONES ON THERE ARE A COUPLE ON GLENBROOK THAT I THINK THAT'D BE A GOOD THING.
I MEAN, I, THE, IT WOULD JUST BE A W WITH EXISTING ONES, WE'RE IN A LITTLE BIT OF UNCHARTERED TERRITORY BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY'VE GONE THROUGH A PROCESS TO GET THAT HUMP THERE.
AND SO IF WE, I KNOW ON COUNTRY CLUB WE'VE W THEY CAME OUT JUST, JUST TO REDO THE ROAD AND WE HEARD YEAH.
UPROAR FOR THEM JUST FROM THAT, UNTIL WE PUT IT BACK IN AGAIN, I WANT TO PUT THEM BACK IN AND WE HAD RESIDENTS, WE WERE ASKING, THEY CAME OUT.
WELL, I GOT, I THINK THAT WAS A RUMOR THAT WE WERE NEVER NOT GOING TO PUT THEM BACK IN.
BUT, BUT THAT RUMOR GOT OUT WHEN WE SCRAPED THEM OFF OF A SOUTH GLEN BROOK.
I GOT, YEAH, I GOT CALLS ABOUT THAT.
UM, LIKE THAT DAY, LIKE THEY'RE SCRAPING THIS OFF AND I'M REALLY MAD ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK THAT WE CAN ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE WAYS TO ADDRESS THAT WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING YOUR SPEED HUMP.
WE'RE JUST SPLITTING IT FOR BETTER PUBLIC SAFETY USES OR WHATEVER.
I, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE IF WE'VE IDENTIFIED, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE DOING THIS TO FIX A PROBLEM OR PREVENT A PROBLEM, THEN MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AROUND AT THE OTHER ONES AROUND THE CITY AND, AND START.
AND, AND BY THE WAY, I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COMMITTEE THINKS, BUT, UM, THE SPEED HUMPS THAT WE WERE DRIVING OVER OUT ON THAT STREET WERE THOSE WERE THE NICEST SPEED HUMPS I HAVE EVER HAD TO DEAL WITH IN THE CITY OF GARLAND, THE FIVE SPEED, MY SPEED HUMPS ARE LIKE, YOU NEED TO SLOW TO TWO AND A HALF MILES AN HOUR.
AND YOU KNOW, AND SO I WOULD NOT MIND FROM AN INVENTORY PERSPECTIVE, MAYBE IT'S TIME TO GO OUT AND EVALUATE, AND I'M SURE OUR METHODS HAVE IMPROVED.
SOME OF THESE SPEED HUMPS HAVE BEEN THERE FOREVER.
UH, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, LET'S GO OUT MAYBE AN EVALUATE SOME OF THESE SPEED HUMPS AND DETERMINE IF WE CAN MAKE THEM BETTER.
I WAS MAYBE MORE FOR STEVE ON THAT ONE TOO, BECAUSE I KNOW I'M, THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL BUILT BY THE SAME TEMPLATE, I BELIEVE.
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I BELIEVE.SO THEY, THEY SH THEY SHOULD ALL BE THE SAME.
I KNOW THEY'RE NOT, I PROMISE YOU THAT I KNOW THEY'RE NOT, BUT JUST, UH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS.
SO IT SEEMS THAT SOME OF THEM HAVE GOTTEN MORE OF A HUMP IN IT, OR THE NEWER ONES THAT ARE KIND OF A LITTLE FLATTERED.
WE'RE MORE LIKE A SPEED TABLE THAT MAKES IT EASIER TO GO OVER.
BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN VERY MANY OF THE ONES THAT REALLY GOT THE REAL HIGH HUMP IN IT OF LATE.
ANYWAY, I DON'T GET AROUND THAT MUCH AND IT WILL TAKE A LITTLE FIELD TRIP.
SO I GUESS I, I THINK THIS HAS TO GO TO COUNCIL BEFORE WE ACTUALLY CHANGED THE POLICY.
I THINK SO UNTIL I'M HAPPY TO YOU GUYS COMFORTABLE WITH REPORTING IT OUT TO COUNCIL, WHAT ARE WE CHANGING TO AGAIN, THAT, UM, THE TYPE F AND G THAT, THAT WE ALLOW THE SWITCH SPEED HUMPS.
ON NEW D NEW STREETS, NEW STREETS WHERE THE CONSULTANT WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON EXISTING SPEED HUMPS ON F AND G S OKAY.
I JUST, SO WE DON'T FORGET ABOUT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I RECALL HEARING AT THE DEMONSTRATION.
UH, ONE WAS ABOUT PARKING, UH, AND THE IMPACT THAT THE SPLIT IS GOING TO HAVE ON PARKING.
UM, PROBABLY NOT SO MUCH ON F AND G, BUT, UM, OTHER MORE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.
WELL, I GUESS THIS IS JUST, THIS IS ONLY GOING TO BE ON F AND G STREETS, RIGHT? OR IS THERE IS PARKING ON FNG THOUGH.
THERE IS, UM, ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT? CAUSE I KNOW THAT CAME UP AS A QUESTION.
AND IF THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT DRAINAGE AT ALL ON F AND G STREET, WELL, TH THE DRAINAGE ISSUE WOULDN'T CHANGE.
I MEAN, WE, WE EVALUATE THE DRAIN DRAINAGE ON ANY OF THE STREET HUMPS, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO EVALUATE ON THESE AS WELL.
THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE THE PARKING.
UM, I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN PROHIBIT PARKING OR THIS IS, UM, I PROHIBITING PARKING IN FRONT OF PEOPLE'S HOUSES IS VERY DICEY.
SO YOU WOULD KNOW, I WOULDN'T.
I, I, I, THAT JUST NEVER GOES WELL.
SO, SO TO, WITH CURRENT SPEED HUMPS, WE DON'T RESTRICT PARKING.
UH, SO THAT WOULD BE A PRETTY DRASTIC CHANGE FROM, FROM WHAT WORD, LET'S SEE HOW IT GOES FIRST, BEFORE WE LET'S GIVE IT A PERIOD OF TIME.
IF WE GET PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE, PARKING ALL AROUND IT, WE PARKED OUR CARS THERE, AND PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO GO AROUND IT AS THEY NEED, MAYBE ON TWO WHEELS OVER THE HUMP INSTEAD OF ALL FOUR.
BUT I THINK WE JUST NEED MORE INFORMATION ON HOW THE PEOPLE REACT AROUND THEM WHEN THEY'RE INSTALLED.
SO THIS, I SAID, GIVE IT A LITTLE TIME.
IF YOU OUT IN THE FIELD AND THEN SEE WHERE IT GOES FROM THERE, I THINK THAT'S IT.
UM, I THINK WE CAN SEE WHERE IT GOES.
UM, ALSO ON SPEED HUMPS, ARE WE LOOKING AT, OR ARE WE STILL LOOKING AT THE TEMPORARY SPEED HUMP TYPE OF DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD BEFORE? WE'RE GOING TO IDENTIFY? I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH HAD IDENTIFIED A GROUP OF STREETS AND IN KIND OF PULL SOME PUT IN SOME TEMPORARY SPEED HUMPS AND GET SOME DATA ON THAT.
UH, I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T SEEN A LIST OF STREETS UNLESS I'M FORGETTING IT, BUT IT'S, UM, I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
WE HAVE NOT, WE HAVEN'T, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.
I DEFINITELY LIKE TO GET THE DATA ON THAT.
AND, AND WHERE WOULD YOU WANT TO, I MEAN, I GUESS, I MEAN, THAT GETS INTO THE, THE, I MEAN, ARE WE GOING TO JUST GO PUT THEM SOMEWHERE WHERE THERE'S NO WHERE NO ONE'S REQUESTED THEM OR, UM, WELL, SMITH HAD, UH, I GUESS HE PROBABLY, AS A RESULT OF REQUESTED, HE HAD HAD, HE AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT WHERE, WHERE WOULD YOU RUN SUCH A TEST? AND THE IDEA IS THAT IF YOU'VE GOT, SAY COUPLE OF PARALLEL STREETS, COULD YOU, COULD YOU PUT, DEPLOY THE, SO THEN START TO CAPTURE DATA FROM, LET'S SAY ALL THREE STREETS AS YOU PUT THEM IN, AS YOU MOVE AROUND.
UM, SMITH HAD A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS, WHICH I ASSUME COME FROM REQUESTS OF PEOPLE IN HIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, OR PEOPLE IN HIS DISTRICT FOR THAT KIND OF TESTING IN THE IDEA OF BEING IN, IN.
SO THERE'VE BEEN SOME STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE THAT INDICATE THAT TEMPORARY SPEED HUMPS, UM, HAVE AN EFFECT ON SPEED.
EVEN AFTER THEY'RE GONE, YOU TAKE THEM OUT, YOU PUT HIM SOMEWHERE ELSE, OR YOU DEPLOY THEM AROUND SOMEWHERE TO HOW LIKE INTERMITTENT TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT TENDS TO HAVE A, A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT EFFECT ON SPEEDS OR WHATEVER.
UM, AND TO THE EXTENT THAT IT'S TRAINING, TRAINING PEOPLE TO MAINTAIN SPEED OR WHATEVER THE
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IDEA BEING TO AVOID.CAUSE WHEN I'M STARTING TO HEAR OR NOT STARTING TO HEAR, BUT WHAT I'VE HEARD, YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, WELL, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE USED TO BE ALL THIS TRAFFIC ON PATRICIA.
SO HE PUT SPEED BUMPS ON THAT, AND NOW WE'RE GETTING ALL THAT TRAFFIC DIVERTS AND GOES DOWN.
AND THEN THAT STREET, YOU KNOW, IN RIDGECREST, JUST SAYING, WELL, WE WANT SPEED HUMPS TOO.
AND THEN YOU ENDED UP WITH, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY EVENTUALLY ALL OF YOUR STREETS HAVING SPEED BUMPS.
SO YEAH, PATRICIA IS, IS REALLY THE ONLY ONE THAT I KNOW OF THAT.
I MEAN, AND IT DEFINITELY HAS A, IT HAS PARALLEL STREETS AND THAT, THAT I DON'T LIKE GOING OVER THIS ONE SO I CAN GO RIGHT OVER HERE.
AND IT'S, IT'S A VERY CONVENIENT ALTERNATE PATH.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T OF ANY THAT WERE, YES, SMITH POPPED UP ONE IN HIS HEAD JUST IMMEDIATELY.
AND SO I'LL REACH OUT TO HIM ABOUT, UH, REACHING OUT TO STAFF ON THAT, BUT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF THAT KIND OF PROGRAM IS REALLY WORKABLE.
UH, DO YOU WANT TO ADD THAT AS A COMMITTEE ITEM THAT WE COULD FOLLOW UP ON THAT I THOUGHT IT ALREADY WAS, BUT COULDN'T, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE, BUT WE'LL BRING IT BACK.
AND THEN MAYBE WITH THAT, WE CAN START HAVING DISCUSSIONS ALSO ABOUT WHERE WE GO ON.
YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE ONLY PUTTING SPEED HUMPS ON PLACES WHERE WE'VE DETERMINED THAT THERE IS SPEEDING BECAUSE OF THE SPEED TEST, TO WHAT DEGREE SHOULD WE BE CHARGING PEOPLE FOR THAT? I THINK THERE'S ULTIMATELY A FAIR QUESTION THERE OF WHO'S RESPONSIBILITY IS IF IT'S NO LONGER JUST AN AMENITY, BECAUSE I THINK THERE MY BE SPEEDING ON MY STREET, UM, YOU KNOW, AT WHAT POINT DO WE SAY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT A COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT BECAUSE WE'VE DETERMINED THAT THERE IS SPEEDING ON YOUR STREET.
AND THERE, SO THERE'S A, UM, ANOTHER COMMITTEE ITEM AT COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE.
THAT'S LOOKING AT BOTH SIDEWALK AND SPEED HUMP PARTICIPATION AND WHETHER IT SHOULD BE REQUIRED OR IF THERE'S, UM, IF THERE IS, UH, OTHER CITY FUNDS THAT COULD HELP CONTRIBUTE TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, VITALITY FUNDS, FOR EXAMPLE, USED TO BE USED FOR SPEED HUMPS, UM, AT LEAST WHERE THERE WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
UH, SO COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN EXPLORING THAT TOO.
SO OF COURSE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE, UM, WE, WE CAN WAIT UNTIL, WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
I FEEL LIKE WE'LL, WE'LL LET THE COMMITTEE DECIDE IF YOU GUYS WANT TO REPORT THIS OUT BEFORE THAT PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
I'M HAPPY TO RE REPORT OUT AT LEAST THIS PART.
AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING.
I DON'T, TO ME, THAT'S STRICTLY A TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY ISSUE, BUT YOU KNOW, IF COMMUNITY SERVICES WANTS TO HAVE ITS FINGERS AND EVERYTHING'S GOING ON IN THE CITY THEN, SO BE IT, I GUESS.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, PAUL.
SO EXPLAIN, WE'LL REPORT THAT OUT AT THE NEXT, WHENEVER AVAILABLE.
UH, THAT'D BE FEBRUARY 28TH AT WORKS, THE WORK SESSION.
NEXT ITEM, ITEM NUMBER THREE IS UPDATE ON FLOOD BUYOUT PROGRAM AND COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM OF THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM.
UM, LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THE COMMUNITY RATING.
WE, UM, THAT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT, I THINK IT WAS BACK IN OCTOBER, I THINK WAS THE LAST PRESENTATION THAT I'D GIVEN ON THAT AT THE TIME WE WERE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER SOME INFORMATION, I GAVE YOU A PRESENTATION AND JUST TO KIND OF REHASH A FEW OF THE ITEMS ON THAT LIST THAT WE HAD.
THERE ARE 68 CITIES STATEWIDE THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE CRS PROGRAM OR THE COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM PROGRAM, 11 CITIES IN THE STATE ACTUALLY HAVE A BETTER RATING THAN GARLAND AT THIS TIME.
AND THEN THERE'S 19 OF THOSE 68 CITIES THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE DFW AREA.
AND OF THOSE THERE'S FOUR OF THOSE, UM, 11 CITIES THAT ACTUALLY HAVE A BETTER RATING THAN GARLAND, WHICH INCLUDES DALLAS AND GRAND PRAIRIE, BOTH AT A FIVE CARROLLTON AND ARLINGTON AT A SIX.
AND THEN A GARLAND HAS A SEVEN, UM, ARE ALSO PRESENTED A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF HOW THEY GO THROUGH THEIR PROCESS.
AND WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH A NUMBER OF CATEGORIES AND TOUCHED ON ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT IT IMPACTED AT EACH ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES, INCLUDING ENGINEERING STREETS, OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND PUBLIC RELATIONS.
AND THEN, UM, I, I KIND OF BRIEFED Y'ALL ON THAT AFTER WE, I'M GOING TO BACK UP A SECOND, WE HAVE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE TURNOVER IN OUR DEPARTMENT
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IN THE LAST YEAR, WE RESTRUCTURED AND GAVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE DIFFERENT DUTIES TO PERFORM WELL.WE HAD A NEW PERSON IN OUR, IN OUR DEPARTMENT THAT TOOK A HOLD OF THE CRS PROGRAM AND HE GOT ON THE PHONE AND CALLED OUR CRS SPECIALIST AND FOUND OUT WHO THAT PERSON WAS.
WELL, LO AND BEHOLD, THAT PERSON IS NEW WITH, UM, THE CONSULTING FIRM THAT WORKS IN LOFA LOU ANN IN LOUISIANA.
AND, UM, BUT IT WAS A VERY GOOD CONVERSATION.
AND FROM THAT THIS PERSON WAS EXTREMELY HELPFUL.
AND I THINK I SAID THAT THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, THAT THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST HELP THAT WE'VE RECEIVED IN, IN ALL THE NUMBER OF YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE CRS PROGRAM AS SOMEBODY WHO WAS REALLY HELPFUL, THIS PERSON, HER NAME IS STEPHANIE WEEKS AND SHE'S OUR CRS SPECIALIST.
SHE ACTUALLY IS THE SPECIALIST.
SHE HAS A REGION SHE'S ACTUALLY OVER ALL 68 CITIES IN THE STATE AND CITIES IN LOUISIANA.
AND I THINK A FEW CITIES AND THEN SOME OTHER STATES.
SO SHE HAS A PRETTY GOOD SIZE REGION THAT SHE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR.
SHE ACTUALLY WORKED FOR A MUNICIPALITY IN LOUISIANA AND DID THE CRS PROGRAM FOR THAT MUNICIPALITY AND FIGURED OUT HOW TO GET THE BETTER RATING FOR HER CITY.
SHE PUT TOGETHER A CHART AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND A CHECKLIST.
AND SHE ACTUALLY SUBMITTED THAT TO US AND SAID, INSTEAD OF READING THROUGH AND READING THROUGH ALL THE CONFUSING STUFF THAT THEY PROVIDE FOR YOU, HERE'S MY CHECKLIST, GO THROUGH THE CHECKLIST AND START SENDING ME STUFF.
SO WE HAVE DONE THAT EVER SINCE OCTOBER, WE SENT HER ORDINANCE ORDINANCES.
WE'VE SENT HER, UM, OUR TECHNICAL STANDARDS MANUAL.
WE SENT HER ALL A BUNCH OF JUST TONS OF INFORMATION SO FAR.
UM, SHE WAS LOOKING THROUGH IT ALL.
SHE SAYS, WELL FOR NOW, WE'RE GOING TO RECERTIFY YOUR CURRENT ONE.
LET'S GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO RECERTIFY ANNUALLY.
SO WE, WE RECEIVED OUR RECERTIFICATION ON FEBRUARY 2ND OF THIS YEAR.
AND, UM, THEN WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS POSSIBLY A RECLASSIFICATION, UH, THIS COMING YEAR, SHE, SHE IS SCHEDULED.
UM, AND I THINK I BROUGHT THIS UP THE LAST TIME, EVERY FIVE YEARS, WE'RE SCHEDULED FOR AN AUDIT FOR THE CRS PROGRAM.
THEY ACTUALLY SEND SOMEBODY OUT HERE, WE GO THROUGH AND IT TAKES A DAY.
WE SHOW THEM ALL OF OUR ORDERS.
WE SHOW THEM EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE CLAIMING THAT WE GET POINTS FOR.
WE HAVE TO TAKE THEM AROUND AND SHOW THEM STUFF THAT'S POSTED IN THE LIBRARY AND ON RECORD IN THE LIBRARY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO SHE SAID, WELL, SINCE WE HAVE TO AUDIT YOU ANYWAY, THIS NEXT YEAR, LET'S JOIN THAT TOGETHER WITH ALL THE CHANGES YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.
AND IN THE MEANTIME, SHE'LL READ THROUGH ALL OF IT.
AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE, WE'RE ENCOURAGED, YOU KNOW, BASED ON JUST, UH, PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS, WE BELIEVE WE CAN DEFINITELY GET TO A SIX, IF NOT, MAYBE A FIVE, UM, FOR OUR CRS RATING, WHICH WOULD, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE ANOTHER 10%.
IF WE GET TO THE FIVE IT'S 5% PER CLASSIFICATION FOR, UH, THE REDUCTION IN INSURANCE PREMIUMS FOR ANYBODY PAYING FLOOD INSURANCE.
BUT IF THIS TAKES EFFECT, IT WOULD BE, SHE COMES FOR HER VISIT IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR.
AND THEN IF WE GET THE RECERTIFICATION OR RECLASSIFICATION, THAT WOULD GO INTO EFFECT IN APRIL OF NEXT YEAR IN 2023.
SO WITH ALL THE INFORMATION SHE HAS TO REVIEW AND GO THROUGH, SHE WAS RECOMMENDING LET'S, LET'S WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR.
LET'S NOT TRY TO PUSH IT THROUGH RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT SHE HAS TO REVIEW.
SO WE'RE WAITING UNTIL NEXT YEAR TO DO THAT.
BUT WE DID RE RECEIVE OUR RECERTIFICATION AS A CLASS SEVEN, UM, ON FEBRUARY 2ND.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS I KNOW THAT, UH, COUNCILMAN, YOU HAD ASKED TO HAVE HER PRESENT SOMETHING.
I WAS KIND OF WAITING TO SEE IF WE COULD GET CLOSER TO THE RECLASSIFICATION BEFORE SHE GAVE A PRESENTATION, BUT SINCE SHE'S NOT, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET HER ON, UH, VIA ZOOM.
WHAT INFORMATION WOULD YOU LIKE HER TO PRESENT? UH, SINCE WE PROBABLY WON'T BE REALLY WORKING, WE'RE STILL WORKING TOWARDS A RECLASS AND WE PROBABLY WON'T HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION.
IS THERE SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR YOU WOULD LIKE HER TO PRESENT? WELL, THERE WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD IN PARTICULAR THAT WAS INTERESTED IN HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THEY, THEY PAY A LOT IN FLOOD INSURANCE IN THAT AN ADDITIONAL 5% WOULD MEAN A LOT TO THEM.
UM, PARTICULARLY SEEING IS A LOT OF THEM HAD SOME INCREASES RECENTLY.
AND SO I THINK WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR WAS KIND OF A, AN OVERVIEW AND AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROGRAM, UNDERSTANDING OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT THE CITY DOES DO THAT GETS THEM TO WHERE WE ARE, AND THEN MAYBE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE ROAD, I THINK IT'D BE GREAT TO GIVE THEM A ROADMAP OF AT LEAST GENERALLY WHERE WE'RE HEADED SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WHILE WE'RE WORKING ON THE, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE'RE WORKING ON OUR FLOOD BLOCK BUYOUT PROGRAMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THEN WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON, UH, IMPROVING OUR RATING IN, IN WHAT THAT COMPRISES, UH, AND IN REALIZING TOO THAT THERE'S KIND OF A CEILING TO IT.
I MEAN, MY RECOLLECTION FROM, UH, FROM LOOKING
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AT THE VARIOUS LEVELS AND CATEGORIES, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS AS, AS AN INLAND CITY THAT DOES NOT EXPERIENCE COASTAL AND HURRICANE FLOODING AND OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT WE CAN'T GET THOSE.I MEAN, WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER.
I DON'T REMEMBER NOW WHAT THEY WERE, BUT IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU, HAVE YOU BUILT A SEA BARRIER WALL OR HAVE YOU RAISED HOUSES ON STILTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET THERE.
UM, SO, AND COMPLETE CATEGORY THAT IT THAT'S, ALL IT IS, IS JUST COASTAL AND, AND ARE POINTS THERE.
THERE'S QUITE A FEW POINTS THERE, BUT WE CAN'T GET ANY OF THEM.
IT'S LIKE, WHERE WERE YOU? WHERE WERE YOU? WHERE WAS IT? FIVE, YOU KNOW, WE MAY GET TO A SIX OR MAYBE EVEN A 7:00 AM.
YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S WAIT OTHERWISE THE OTHER WORST SEVEN NOW.
AND I'M PRETTY CERTAIN, I'M PRETTY CERTAIN WITH THE NUMBERS AND WHAT WE DO NOW, WE CAN GET DOWN TO A SIX, IT'S JUST PROVING THAT OUT.
AND THEN IF WE CAN GET ENOUGH POINTS, WE MIGHT EVEN BE ABLE TO GET DOWN TO A RIGHT.
AND THAT MAY TAKE ADDITIONAL COUNCIL ACTION OR MAKE, TAKE SOME THINGS, OR EVEN HAVING A FLOOD-PRONE PROPERTY PROGRAM, I THINK WAS, I THINK IT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COUNTED IN THERE, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT, BUT ANYWAY, BUT MY POINT BEING THAT, THAT BY JUST BEING A LITTLE MORE RIGOROUS WITH SOME LOW-HANGING FRUIT, WE MIGHT GET TO A SIX, FIVE MIGHT BE A STRETCH AND MIGHT TAKE SOME ACTION FROM COUNCIL.
BUT THEN BEYOND THAT, IT'S JUST, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST KIND OF, IT'S, IT'S NOT A REASONABLE PLACE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GET, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, HOUSTON OR FORT VICTORIA OR PORT ARANSAS OR SOMETHING.
WELL, I'LL DEFINITELY REACH OUT TO HER AND SEE IF THERE'S A POSSIBLE THAT SHE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ZOOM IN AT THIS TIME ON A, ON A, ON A WORK SESSION NIGHT TO BRIEF THE COUNCIL AND, AND AT LEAST HAVE IT FOR RECORD OF, OF JUST EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING THE OVERVIEW OF THE PROGRAM AND, AND WHAT CITY DOES TO ACHIEVE, WHAT THE CLASS THAT WE DO HAVE IN, IN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE BEYOND THIS.
THAT'D BE GREAT BECAUSE CANDIDLY, I MEAN, BEFORE THAT GROUP EVEN BROUGHT IT UP, I DID NOT HAVE A REAL AWARENESS THAT THE PROGRAM EVEN EXISTED, WHICH IS, I MEAN, UNLESS YOU HAVE A PROPERTY IN THE FLOOD PLAIN, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T KNOW.
AND IT'S JUST, I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT WE DO, AND I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF STAFF IN THAT REGARD.
IT'S LIKE ALL THE STUFF THAT COUNCIL HAS NO IDEA THAT GOES ON AND YOU GUYS JUST TAKE CARE OF IN THE BACKGROUND.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT POPS UP AND IT'S LIKE, TELL US EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT, ELLEN.
AND A COUPLE OF POINTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE.
WHEN WE HAD OUR DISCUSSION WITH STEPHANIE, SHE ACTUALLY MADE A COMMENT.
YOU KNOW, SHE WAS ASKING HIM, WELL, WELL, IF YOU DO THIS, OR IF YOU THIS, AND WE SAID, WELL, WE HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION.
SHE SAYS, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS POST THAT INFORMATION IN THE LIBRARY AND YOU GET 30 EXTRA POINTS.
I'M THINKING THAT'S IT, WE'VE HAD THAT INFORMATION THIS WHOLE TIME.
AND WE HADN'T HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH, AND THERE'S, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME THINGS ACTUALLY THAT THE STREET DEPARTMENT AND STORMWATER CREWS ALREADY DO.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, IT'S NOT WRITTEN DOWN IN ANY KIND OF FORMAL PROCESS AND PROCEDURE.
THESE ARE SIMPLE THINGS, LOW HANGING FRUIT, LIKE YOU SAID.
IT'S LIKE A LOT OF THESE ROLES ARE BECAUSE I READ THROUGH SOME OF THE RULES AND IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY ARCANE.
I MEAN, YOU REALLY NEED SOMEBODY WHO, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMPLAIN ALL THE TIME ABOUT CITIES HIRING CONSULTANTS, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES WHERE IT WOULD NOT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO HAVE SOMEONE LIKE THIS FULL TIME AT THE CITY, BUT AS A CONSULTANT, YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY KNOW THEIR STUFF AND THEY CAN, THEY CAN REALLY MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR OUR RESIDENTS BY JUST, YEAH.
HERE'S THE LIST OF ALL THE THINGS YOU, THE THINGS YOU'RE ALREADY DOING, BUT YOU'RE MISSING LIKE ONE EXTREMELY MINOR STEP, LIKE POSTING IN THE LIBRARY OR HAVING THE PROCESS WRITTEN DOWN.
AND THEN THE FLOOD BUYOUT PROGRAM, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING IN YES, SIR.
I'LL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT.
UM, RECAPPING FROM OUR LAST DISCUSSION, UM, I BELIEVE THAT WAS IN DECEMBER, UH, GOING THROUGH THE NFP AND THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM.
UH, WE, THERE ARE THE CITY OF GARLAND HAS 538 POLICIES CITYWIDE FOR FLOOD PLAIN OR FLOOD INSURANCE.
281 ARE IN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA.
UM, 45 OF THOSE 281 ARE SEVERE LOSS PROPERTIES.
THAT MEANS REPETITIVE LOSS PROPERTIES WHERE, UH, THEY'VE, THEY'VE HAD MORE THAN ONE CLAIM OVER THE NUMBER OF YEARS.
WHAT WE CALL PREFERRED RISK POLICIES.
THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY ALONG A SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA.
THEY COULD BE IN THE MIDDLE OF A SUBDIVISION AND GET FLOODED AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S STREET FLOODING OR SOMETHING.
AND WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE LOCAL FLOODING EFFORT IN IT'S IN IT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT THE BENEFIT TO COST RATIO DIDN'T WORK.
AND WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE AS WELL.
AND SO THEY THEY'LL ACTUALLY GET FLOOD INSURANCE TO,
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AND THEY CAN GET A PREFERRED RISK POLICY, WHICH IS A MUCH REDUCED RATE THAN IF THEY LIVED IN A FLOOD PLAIN SOMEWHERE.BUT, UM, THEY CAN GET FLOOD INSURANCE THAT WAY.
SO THERE'S 196 PREFERRED RISK POLICIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UM, SINCE THEN WE'VE HAD, WE WENT BACK AND WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE OTHER CITIES AND AGENCIES THAT DO HAVE A BUYOUT PROGRAM OR SOME SORT OF A BUYOUT PROGRAM, MOST WORKFORCE SPECIFIC AREAS AND NOT REALLY CITYWIDE BUYOUT PROGRAMS. UH, SO WE WENT BACK AND HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THOSE THAT DID, AND MOST ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED TO AHEAD OF TIME SAID WORK WITH YOUR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES FIRST AND THEN POSSIBLY ADD IN YOUR, YOUR COMMERCIAL, YOUR INDUSTRIAL.
AND NON-RESIDENTIAL LATER, THEY SAID IT GETS REALLY CLOUDY AND MURKY WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO BUY OUT A PROPERTY AND IT'S, AND YOU HAVE TENANTS AND YOU HAVE THIS, AND IT GETS REALLY, UM, KIND OF CONVOLUTED IF YOU WILL.
AND THEY SAID A LOT OF TIMES, THOSE PROCESSES CAN TAKE UP TO TWO YEARS BEFORE YOU CAN ACTUALLY PURCHASE THE PROPERTY.
SO THEY SAID, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BUYOUT, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES FIRST, ESPECIALLY THESE THAT ARE THE REPETITIVE LOSS.
AND WE DO HAVE 45 OF THOSE CITY WIDE.
AND THAT WOULD BE A GOOD STARTING POINT.
SO WITH THAT, WE ACTUALLY CAN WE TO KEEP US ON TRACK AND KEEP US ON TASK.
WE'VE NEVER REALLY DONE THIS BEFORE.
SO WE, WE FOUND A CONSULTING FIRM THAT CAN ASSIST US WITH THIS.
WE'RE GOING TO, AND WE'VE SCOPED THE PROJECT.
WE JUST RECEIVED THE PROPOSAL YESTERDAY FROM THEM AFTER WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING SCOPED, WE'RE NOW READING THROUGH THE PROPOSAL AND THE HOURS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THERE ARE, UH, THERE IS A MEETING TO PRESENT IT TO THE TIM COMMITTEE AT A LATER DATE WHEN WE GET THIS.
BUT THE PROPOSAL IS TO HELP US WRITE THE ORDINANCE, WHICH I DON'T THINK THE ORDINANCE IS GOING TO TAKE TOO MUCH.
CAUSE WE DECIDED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WE WANT TO FOLLOW THE, THE FEDERAL GUIDELINES.
SO I THINK THE, THE, THE ORDINANCE ITSELF IS GOING TO BE RELATIVELY SHORT, ONE PARAGRAPH TYPE ORDINANCE, BUT THE PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES OF DOING ALL OF THIS AND GOING THROUGH AND, AND THE APPRAISALS AND PURCHASING THE PROPERTY IN, IN THAT TYPE OF THING, W WHAT ALL WE NEED TO DO TO COVER OURSELVES THAT IF WE DO WANT TO ASK FOR REIMBURSEMENT FROM FEMA, WE HAVE ALL THE T'S CROSSED AND I'S DOTTED, UH, BEFORE WE DO THAT, SO THAT WE MEET ALL THEIR REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT'S HOW WE NEED TO HAVE OUR PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES WRITTEN, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE ASSISTING US WITH THAT.
AND SO WE SHOULD HAVE THAT CONTRACT PUT TOGETHER IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO.
AND, AND AGAIN, THAT THE, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT DOESN'T REQUIRE IT TO GO TO COUNCIL.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN HANDLE THAT INTERNALLY AND GET THIS PROCESS MOVING.
AND I BELIEVE BASED ON THEIR, ON THEIR SCHEDULE, WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO THE TIM COMMITTEE PRIOR TO, BUT HOPEFULLY COUNCIL ADOPTION SOMETIME TO SUMMER FOR THE ORDINANCE AND THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURE AND EVERYTHING.
WE SHOULD HAVE IT READY BY THIS SUMMER.
UM, AND SO THE GOAL THEN IS TO MAKE THESE ELIGIBLE ANY OF THE BIOS THAT WE DO ELIGIBLE FOR FEMA PARTICIPATION.
IN OTHER WORDS, BECAUSE WE HAD TALKED BEFORE THAT THERE'S FEDERAL MONEY, THAT'S OUT THERE AND WE CAN LEVERAGE WHAT WE PUT IN.
AND NOW, NOW WE'LL ADD, IT DEPENDS ON THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE IF IT DEPENDS ON WHO'S INTERESTED, BECAUSE THE IDEA WOULD BE, THIS WOULD BE A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE BASIS.
PEOPLE THAT WANT TO, TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND SEE WHERE THAT IS.
AND THEN AT A LATER DATE, I MEAN, SINCE WE HAVEN'T EVER DONE THIS, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SOLICITED LATER, IF WE DON'T GET MUCH INTEREST AT THE BEGINNING, THAT THAT'LL HAVE TO BE DETERMINED HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH THIS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS OR SEND OUT A MASS MAILING.
I DON'T KNOW, YOU MIGHT GET A FLOOD OF PEOPLE THAT, I MEAN, NO, NO PUN INTENDED, BUT A FLOOD OF PEOPLE COMING IN.
SO THE IDEA IS THAT WE'D HAVE TO DISCUSS HOW WE'RE GOING TO THE PLANT RIGHT NOW IS TO GET THE ORDINANCE IN PLACE AND THE PROCEDURES, AND THEN FIGURE OUT WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS NOW.
ABOUT THE FEMUR, UM, REIMBURSEMENT, THE FEMUR REIMBURSEMENT HAS STIPULATIONS WITH IT.
IF YOU RECEIVE MONEY FROM FEMA THAT, THAT PAYS YOU BACK FOR PURCHASING A PROPERTY, THAT WAS A FLOOD PLAIN, YOU'RE NOW DEED RESTRICTING THAT PROPERTY, THAT IT CAN NEVER BE DEVELOPED AGAIN.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU DO HAVE AN AREA THAT LET'S SAY THEY ONLY HAD ONE FOOT, LET'S SAY IT'S ONE FOOT OF, OF, OF WATER IN THE HOME.
IDEALLY YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO RAISE THE HOUSE, RAISE THE LOT UP TO THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS.
CAUSE WE'VE SEEN PEOPLE DO THAT ALONG DUCK CREEK AND REBUILD A NEW STRUCTURE THERE THAT IS PERFECTLY OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN.
AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY FLOOD INSURANCE AND IT CAN BE REDEVELOPED.
SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF WHICH ONES YOU GET REIMBURSED FOR, BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T EVER DEVELOP IT AGAIN, THEN IT JUST BECOMES JUST A PIECE OF DIRT THAT THE CITY MAINTAINS FROM THAT POINT FORWARD.
SO NOW ONCE, LIKE THE FORMER COUNCIL PERSON
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HAD SIX FEET OF WATER IN HIS HOME, YES.THAT'S ONE THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO EVER RAISE UP OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN, BUT, AND THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT YOU WOULD DEFINITELY SUBMIT FOR REIMBURSEMENT FROM FEMA.
YEAH, IT DOES IT, AND I THINK A LOT OF THESE, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THAT, THAT A LOT OF THESE, I MEAN, THEY CAN'T BE DEVELOPED, BUT THEY COULD BE PART OF OUR PARK SYSTEM BASICALLY, OR PART OF THE TRAIL.
SO IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE RUNNING TRAILS UP DUCK CREEK, THEN YOU CAN PULL THEM OUT FOR PULL AMOUNT OF THE CREEK AND ONTO THESE, YOU KNOW, CREATE A REST STOP OR WHATEVER ELSE IT IS, OR CREATE AN ENTRY POINT FOR THE TRAILS.
UH, AND SO IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME TOO MUCH.
UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS MY THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT, UH, THAT THIS WOULD BE A PROGRAM THAT WE WOULD TARGET FIRST TOWARDS THE REPETITIVE, I MEAN, CAUSE REALLY THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, THE INITIAL IMPETUS FOR THIS WAS THE REPETITIVE RIGHT.
BOOM SAID HAVE FLOODED, YOU KNOW, AND I TELL THE STORY ALL THE TIME OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN I GOT ON COUNCIL, THE FIRST CALL THAT I GOT WAS FROM A WOMAN WHO LIVED IN HER HOUSE SINCE 1969 OR 1966.
AND IT HAD IN 50 YEARS, IT HAD FLOODED 10 TIMES.
AND, BUT SHE JUST WASN'T GOING ANYWHERE.
AND, BUT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, IT IS THE SECOND TIME IT FLOODS OR WHATEVER.
AND, AND, UM, AND THEN THESE HOUSES JUST, IT GETS TURNED OVER AND THEN IT FLOODS AGAIN.
AND WE'RE CREATING RISK BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SEND, YOU KNOW, SWIFTWATER RESCUE AND OTHER STUFF, AND, YOU KNOW, RESCUING COUNCIL PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR ROOMS OF THEIR OWN HOMES AND STUFF IS JUST A LITTLE SKETCHY.
UM, AND I THINK, I CAN'T REMEMBER BRIAN BRADFORD ONCE TOLD ME THAT THE, LIKE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE SPENT DEALING WITH THE, I THINK IT WAS A 2015 FLOOD, UH, WAS, UH, FAIRLY ASTRONOMICAL IN TERMS OF OVERTIME AND OTHER STUFF WAS SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS.
UM, SO I THINK IN THE LONGTERM, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY A BETTER THING FOR US, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, AND WE MAY, MAY, WE MAY HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT SHOULD BE FIRST COME FIRST SERVED OR SHOULD JUST BE SCORING.
CAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SCORE ON THESE, I WOULD ASSUME ALL THE REPAIRS, PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE REPETITIVE FLOODS ARE PROBABLY SEVERAL FEET.
IT'S NOT JUST A FOOT HERE OR THERE, BUT THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA GET THE MOST AMOUNT OF FLOODING.
AND THOSE ARE IN, THEY'RE KIND OF ALL OVER THE CITY, YOU KNOW, THROUGH OUR CREEKS, IT'S NOT JUST LOCATED IN ONE DISTRICT OR SOMETHING, BUT WE IDENTIFY THOSE.
UM, AND SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE, THEY MAY SAY, NO, I'M GOOD.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A FLOOD IN A COUPLE OF YEARS AND THEY CHANGED THEIR MIND, BUT THE QUICKER WE CAN GET IT THROUGH, I JUST THINK OF FLOOD SEASON AS RIGHT.
MAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO QUICK.
AND WE CAN GET IT THROUGH THE BETTER.
UM, I WOULDN'T MIND AT LEAST REPORTING.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS, BUT I WOULDN'T MIND AT LEAST REPORTING TO, TO COUNCIL ON OUR PROGRESS IF IT DOES, IF IT DOES COME BACK INTO THE SUMMER, I WON'T BE HERE, BUT ANYTHING YEAH.
I THINK WE TALKED LAST TIME ABOUT INCLUDING COMMERCIAL OR NOT, BUT NO, LET'S FOCUS ON RESIDENTIAL FIRST.
LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, RUSSIAN PARTICIPATION PROGRAM.
UM, AGAIN, DRAIN IS PARTICIPATION PROGRAM.
I BELIEVE WE, WE DISCUSSED MAYBE IN NOVEMBER, DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR RECAPPING.
WELL, ACTUALLY, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WHEN WE WERE MORE ON THE, UM, ON THE BUYOUT PROGRAM THE LAST FEW TIMES WE MET, UM, HISTORICALLY GARLAND AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE CHANGED THE ORDINANCE.
I THINK, UM, TIM COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE ORDINANCE.
WE, WE MODIFIED THE ORDINANCE BACK IN MAY OF 19.
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, UM, WE WERE WHEN WE ADDED THE, THE INFORMATION CONCERNING THE PAYOUT, UM, BECAUSE WHAT USED TO BE JUST 36 MONTHS, BUT THEN WE EXTENDED IT KIND OF LIKE THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM WHERE THEY COULD PAY OUT A LITTLE BIT LONGER, ESPECIALLY SINCE A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS WERE FAIRLY HIGH DOLLAR FOR SOME OF THESE PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO, UM, BUT RECAPPING HISTORICALLY GARLAND HAS PIGGYBACKED OFF OF CITY OF DUNCANVILLE, HIS TERM CONCRETE OR TERM EROSION PROTECTION CONTRACT.
UH, IT'S THROUGH A PURCHASING BUYBOARD THAT'S, UM, THAT ALL CITIES SHARE AND, AND COUNTIES AND STATES, UNFORTUNATELY DUNCANVILLE DID NOT REBID THEIR TERM CONTRACT FOR EROSION PROTECTION LAST YEAR.
SO GARLAND PUT TOGETHER ITS OWN TERM CONTRACT FOR RESIN PROTECTION AND ESTABLISHED THAT BASED ON HISTORICAL NUMBERS.
WE SET IT AT ABOUT F WE SET IT AT 450,000
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PER TERM OR ONE YEAR WHICHEVER OCCURS FIRST.WE RECEIVED THE BEDS AND STAFF WILL BE RECOMMENDING COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT AWARD AT THE MARCH 1ST MEETING THIS YEAR.
SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE 10 LOCATIONS REQUESTING PROPOSALS FOR A ROSARY PROTECTION.
UM, ONE, ONE LOCATION ACTUALLY HAS MULTIPLE ADDRESSES SO FAR WE'VE RECEIVED A PROPOSAL FOR ENGINEERING DESIGN FOR THREE OF THE LOCATIONS THAT WE FELT WERE THE MOST CRITICAL AT THIS TIME, THERE WERE MOST, UM, IMPACT TO THE PROPERTIES AND TRYING TO GET THOSE DESIGNED FIRST.
AND SO WHAT WE DO IS WE, WE HAVE DESIGNED SOLICITED.
AND THEN NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS CONTRACT, WE'RE GOING TO VERIFY THAT THE ENGINEER'S OPINION OR PROBABLE CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE, ARE IN THE BALLPARK WITH THE BID PRICING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITH, WITH A, AN AMOUNT AND THEN THEIR HALF, AND THEN TRY TO, AND THEN THE, WITH AN ALONG WITH AN AGREEMENT LIKE WE TYPICALLY DO, THEY SIGN THE AGREEMENT, SEND IT BACK IN AND WE START THE DESIGN PROCESS.
AND THEN NOW THAT WE HAVE THE TERM CONTRACT, WE CAN GO DIRECTLY TO CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT HAVING TO BID OUT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROCESS.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SAME WITH THE SEVEN OTHER LOCATIONS THAT WE HAVE.
BUT, UH, I'VE JUST COME TO THE POINT OF WHEN I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, IT'S BEST TO JUST, JUST PUT IT OUT THERE.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT INSURANCE AGAIN, ALL WE TALKING ABOUT, UH, WHAT LET'S START THERE.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT INSURANCE SUCH THAT A PROPERTY OWNER HAS A SEVERE CASE OF EROSION OF LAND AND WE'RE ABLE TO DETECT THAT SOME TYPE OF WAY.
AND THEN WE GO IN AND THEY PAY 50%, WE PAY 2%, BUT HOW DID THE EXPLAIN IT TO MY, MY, MY APOLOGIES COUNCILMAN CAUSE, CAUSE, UH, YOU W WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UM, I'M THINKING BACK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND DISCUSSING IT, AND WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS, YOU WERE ACTUALLY NOT ON, ON THE COMMITTEE AT THE TIME.
AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT JOURNEY PARTICIPATION PROGRAM IS A 50 50 COST SHARE.
IT'S MAINLY ALONG IT, WELL, IT IS IT'S ALONG CREEKS AND PEOPLE HAVE EROSION ISSUES AND THEY'RE LOSING THEIR PROPERTY, LOSING THEIR PROPERTY, OR THEY'LL LOSE IT IN BIG CHUNKS.
AND WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE A SYSTEM OF BEING ABLE TO GO IN THERE WITH COST PARTICIPATION ON A 50, 50 BASIS, AND ARMOR THAT BANK AND PROTECT THAT BANK FROM FURTHER EROSION.
AND, AND AGAIN, UM, SOME OF THESE CAN GET COSTLY THOUGH, AS YOU, AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE OF ANY KIND OF ARMORING OF A QUAKE BANK, SOME OF THEM, IF THEY'RE 20 FEET TALL, 25, I MEAN, THEY, THEY GET RELATIVELY EXPENSIVE.
AND, AND THAT WAS AGAIN, WHEN I REFERENCED THAT WE CHANGED THE ORDINANCE BACK IN 19, THE IDEA WAS THAT THEY COULD PAY IT OFF OVER THREE YEARS.
WELL, IN SOME CASES THAT'S STILL PRETTY EXPENSIVE TO PAY THAT OFF OVER THREE YEARS.
SO WE EXTENDED THAT TO FOUR AND FIVE YEARS OUT, DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OR THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT THEY WERE FINANCING.
AND AGAIN, THEY WOULD FINANCE AT THE, AT THE INTEREST RATE OF THE BOND, WHICH IS USUALLY RIGHT NOW, I THINK LIKE TWO AND A QUARTER, TWO POINT SOMETHING PERCENT.
SO IT'S, IT'S A NOMINAL AMOUNT OF INTEREST, BUT THEY CAN STILL PROTECT THEIR PROPERTY AND TO PROTECT THEIR INVESTMENT.
AND ALSO THE CITY'S INVESTMENT FROM A, FROM A TAX DOLLAR STANDPOINT.
SO WITH THAT, UM, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE COME BACK AND THEY SAID, LOOK, I CAN'T AFFORD IT.
BUT TH THIS IS THE ONLY PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PRO THIS PROGRAM IS.
NOW, AGAIN, DUNCANVILLE HAD A CONTRACT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH OUR RAT BAG WALLS.
THEY LOOK LIKE CONCRETE BAGS, BUT THEY, BUT THEY REBAR THEM TOGETHER.
AND IT BASICALLY ARMORS THE BANK.
IT'S JUST, ARMORING THE BANK TO KEEP IT FROM ERODING.
AND, UM, THAT'S THE TYPICAL WAY THAT WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST.
I'M NOT SO SURE IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF MATERIAL COSTS, BUT WHEN WE BID OUR TERM CONTRACT, WE HAVE IN THERE ALSO GABIONS WE HAVE ARET BAG AND GABIONS, AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE GABIONS ARE ACTUALLY COMING IN AT A BETTER PRICE PER LINEAR FOOT THAN, THAN THE RF BAG.
AND, UM, AND AGAIN, I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S NOT BECAUSE OF MATERIAL COSTS OF THE CONCRETE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IT'S RELATIVELY, BUT, BUT THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE'VE SET UP ON THE PROGRAM COST PARTICIPATION PLAN.
SO WHAT A CARVE OUT HERE ABOUT THE EMBANKMENT OR LONG CREEKS, BUT HOW ABOUT, UH, RESIDENTS THAT I HAVE SAVED, FOR EXAMPLE, DOWN ON RELATE RATE HUBBARD, THEY ACTUALLY LIVE ON THE, AND THEIR LAND HAS BEEN DETERIORATING ERODING FOR YEARS.
WOULD THEY BE RECIPIENTS OF THAT TYPE OF A WELL ON MOST, MOST OF THEM ON LAKE RAY HUBBARD, THERE'S THOSE, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNERS PROPERTY STOPS AT THE,
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THE HIGH LEVEL MARK OF, OF THE LAKE.AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY BACK THERE.
THAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE MOST OF IT OF THE EROSION IS KERING IS ON THOSE, ON THOSE PIECES OF PROPERTY.
NOW, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY YEARS AGO IT'S BEEN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT USED TO MAINTAIN THAT BECAUSE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT LEASES IT FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS AS PARKLAND.
AND THEN THROUGH A PROCESS, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT SAID THIS, THIS IS GETTING WAY TOO CUMBERSOME TO MAINTAIN THIS.
SO, SO THE CITY WENT THROUGH AND PROJECTED LINES, AND I THINK THERE'S 99 PROPERTIES ALONG THE LAKE.
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN THAT THEY CAN NOW THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR SUBLEASE.
THEY CAN SUBLEASE THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY ALL THE WAY BACK THERE, AND THEY CAN PUT IN THEIR OWN REVETMENT.
AND MOST OF IT IS, IS USUALLY THE, THE SHEET PILE WALLS, THAT TYPE OF THING, BUT THAT IS ON THEIR OWN.
THE CITY WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN THOSE BECAUSE THAT'S A, THAT'S A LEASE OF ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND SO WE, BUT WE DO HAVE THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HANDLES ALL THE SUBLEASES THROUGH OUR DEPARTMENT.
AND, UM, I BELIEVE THERE'S 19 OUT OF THE 99 THAT HAVE BEEN SUB-LEASED TO DATE IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BUT, BUT WE, WE WOULD NOT PARTICIPATE IN THOSE VERY MUCH THAT VERY GOOD INFORMATION FOR AMAL UNDERSTANDING.
NO, NO, THAT'S PROBABLY, AND AGAIN, WE CAN GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION ON THAT AND SHOW YOU A MAP AND EVERYTHING, IF YOU WANT, IF YOU NEED THAT, I KNOW A NUMBER OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS IN YOUR DISTRICT ARE OUT THERE.
SO, UH, THEY'VE TALKED TO ME, I'VE BEEN DOWN THERE WITH SOME OF THEM AND YOU'RE RIGHT.
I THINK THAT THEY THEMSELVES HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BUILD UP BOAT RAMPS BACK THERE AND RETAINING WALLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN IN DOING THAT, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO SUBMIT, PERMITTING THROUGH THE CITY OF DALLAS AND, AND CITY OF GARLAND AT THE SAME TIME AND GET APPROVAL FOR BOTH FROM BOTH CITIES BEFORE THEY CAN GO BUILD THEIR BOATHOUSE IN THERE AND THEIR WALLS.
DO YOU HAVE, UM, NO, I THINK I'VE MADE THROUGH ALL MY NOTES.
AGAIN, WE HAVE 10 LOCATIONS, THREE, WHICH WE FELT WERE THE MOST CRITICAL THAT WE'RE GETTING PROPOSALS FOR.
NOW, THE SEVEN WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SET, THE REMAINING SEVEN LOCATIONS, WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SAME.
UM, BUT WE REALLY WANTED TO GET THESE MOVING AND GET THOSE STARTED FIRST.
AND, UH, CAUSE WE CAN'T CONSTRUCT THEM ALL AT ONE TIME.
SO HAS STAFF DONE ANY WORK ON THE DIRECTIVE OF, OF CHANGING THIS PROGRAM OR, I MEAN, I GUESS MY FRUSTRATION HERE IS THAT FOR LIKE FOUR YEARS OR FOR AS LONG AS WE'VE HAD TIM, I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE, THIS PROGRAM.
AND EVERY TIME I SAY, GO LOOK AT WHAT THEY DO DOWN IN AUSTIN, OR GO LOOK AT THIS OR GO LOOK AT THAT.
AND, AND I'M NOT HEARING THAT.
AND I'M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BE ROLLING OFF COUNCIL IN, I MEAN, IT'S NOW THREE YEARS AGO THAT MATT WATSON MADE THE PRESENTATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ARMORING THE CREEK AND SAW, I MEAN, I'LL HAVE THE DISCUSSION AGAIN, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVEN'T HEARD IT, WHICH IS THAT IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE FOR US.
AND WE DON'T GET A LOT OF UPTAKE ON THE, ON THE EROSION PARTICIPATION PROGRAM BECAUSE IT IS SO EXPENSIVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, MY NEIGHBOR, CARRIE HODSON 10 YEARS AGO GOT A BID AND HIS SHARE OF IT WAS $40,000.
AND THAT'S, I MEAN, YEAH, THAT'S AN $80,000 PROJECT FOR A HOUSE AT THAT TIME.
PROBABLY WASN'T WORTH MUCH MORE THAN THAT PAID BACK IN THREE YEARS TO BE, TO PAY BACK IN THREE YEARS.
BUT IT'S, BUT THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS THAT THAT THEY'RE ERODING YOUR PROPERTY IS ERODING BECAUSE OF THE STORM BECAUSE OF STORM WATER, SOMEBODY ELSE'S STORM WATER IS RUNNING THROUGH AND OUR STORMWATER IT.
AND SO THERE ARE TWO THINGS, THE STORE, OUR STORMWATER, UH, OUR STORMWATER FEES ARE LIKE THE LOWEST IN THE DFW METROPLEX.
UM, THE WHAT'S, IT GETS EXPENSIVE ABOUT THESE PROJECTS IS THE MOBILIZATION.
AND THEY'RE ALSO LESS EFFECTIVE.
IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY DO JUST A ONE OFF, THEN, YOU KNOW, IF EVERYBODY'S BANKS ARE ARMORED, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO PROTECT A LOT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET AS MANY TREES.
AND I MEAN, IT'S WHAT KILLS WHAT KILLS THESE BANKS IS IS YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU TAKE DOWN SOME OF THESE OLD TREES THAT ARE 80 FEET TALL OR SOMETHING, THEY GO ALL THE WAY DOWN.
THEY STRIP OTHER STUFF OFF THE CREEK AS THEY GO, THEY IMPACT OUR BRIDGES, THEY DO THIS OTHER STUFF, CAUSING ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS. UM, AND SO IF WE, IF WE ARMOR ALONG AND I REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT PROPERTY
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IN PARTICULAR, $80,000 TO ARMOR THAT CREEK, WHEN WE WENT AND DID GLENBROOK NORTH OF BRIAR WOOD, I THINK THAT WAS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, 800 FEET OR SO, OR MORE MAYBE I THINK IT WAS 500.I CAN'T REMEMBER THEN, BUT THE COST WAS SUBSTANTIALLY LESS IN PART BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING ALL OF IT AT ONCE.
YOU'RE MOBILIZING AND YOU'RE DOING EVERYTHING.
AND SO WHAT MATT WATSON HAD COME BACK AND PRESENTED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WAS LIKE, HOW MUCH MONEY COULD WE JET IF WE RAISED THE, UH, IF WE RAISED THE STORM WATER RATE TO JUST THE AVERAGE OF WHAT WAS THEN CURRENT, THEN YOU COULD FUND, I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE 50 OR $60 MILLION IN, IN REVENUE BONDS TO START ADDRESSING WHOLE SWATHS OF THIS AROUND THE CITY.
SO, AND THEN, THEN, THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES, IS EVERYTHING APPROPRIATE? IS ARMORING APPROPRIATE FOR EVERYTHING OR IS IT NOT? YOU KNOW, AND AUSTIN HAS A VERY EXTENSIVE PROGRAM WHERE THEY HAVE SEVEN, SIX OR SEVEN DIFFERENT TYPES OF ARMORING IS LIKE THE LAST ONE.
AND IT STARTS OFF WITH LIKE, YOU KNOW, PLANTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M REALLY BEEN LOOKING FOR IS WHAT CAN WE DO? CAN WE HA CAN, CAN WE HAVE A PROGRAM THAT WE TAKE AND COUNCIL GOES UP OR DOWN ON, ON WHETHER OR NOT WE DO IT, BUT THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, IF YOUR PROPERTY IS IMPACTED BY OTHER PEOPLE'S RUNOFF, OTHER PEOPLE'S STORM WATER, THEN YOU KNOW, THEN WE'RE GOING TO START LOOKING AT WAYS TO AMELIORATE THAT.
AND MAYBE THERE'S STILL SOME, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S STILL SOME COMPONENT OR NOT OF PARTICIPATION, BUT IT CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY DIFFERENT KINDS OF PROGRAM RUNOFF WOULD BE ALL THE RESIDENTS WHOSE WATER IS REALLY RUNNING OFF TO IMPACT.
SO, OR YOU SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO RAISE THE TAXES ON THE STORM, WATER RUNOFF, ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE SAYING.
SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE A STORMWATER FEE THAT'S CHARGED WITH THE WATER BILL, AND I DON'T RECALL OFF HAND WHAT IT IS.
IT'S I THINK A DOLLAR OR $2 A MONTH OR SOMETHING IT'S BEEN RAISED OVER THE YEARS AND, AND, UH, BUT YEAH, IT, WHETHER IT'S A SMALL LOT, MEDIUM SIZED LOT OR LARGE LOT, THERE'S DIFFERENT, THERE'S DIFFERENT RATES.
AND THE IDEA IS THAT IF YOU LIVE WAY UPSTREAM FOR ME IS YOUR STORM WATER THAT RUNS OFF YOUR LAND.
IT MAY OR MAY NOT AFFECT YOU, BUT IT DOES AFFECT YOU WHAT DOES AFFECT ME.
AND SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF KIND OF ADDRESSING THOSE, THOSE BURDENS.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE SEWING, WATER IS PART OF, WHAT'S TAKING YOU, TAKING MY LAND DOWN THE STREAM, UM, THEN WHAT CAN WE DO THERE? AND I, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT OVER THE YEARS, THE COMMITTEE HAS HAD SUPPORT FROM, FROM THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS OF, OF LET'S DO THIS.
I REMEMBER THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, JOHN, UH, BAKER THOUGHT IT WAS AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK.
AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHY WE DIDN'T MAKE A LOT OF PROGRESS ON IT IN VR AND JOHN'S VERY KIND WAY.
UM, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO AT LEAST LOOK AT AND BRING FORWARD AND IDENTIFY SOME OF THESE AREAS.
AND WE'VE KIND OF MISSED SOME OPPORTUNITIES, RIGHT? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE EPA DICKING UP, WE HAD A PARTNER IN IT A LITTLE BIT FOR AWHILE WITH THE EPA DIGGING UP SOME OF OUR CREEKS, UM, THAT WE MIGHT'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET THEM INVOLVED IN.
YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT SAVE SOME OF OUR COSTS, BUT KIND OF IS WHAT IT IS.
BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES AND WE'VE SHOWN PICTURES IN THE PAST.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE SOME, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE THAT UP ALONG.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ALONG DUCK CREEK OR UP FURTHER.
I THINK IT'S SOMEWHERE IN DISTRICT EIGHT.
THAT JUST, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE ABOUT TO LOSE YOUR BUCKLE, LOSE YOUR GARAGE TYPE STUFF BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE OVER THE YEARS, YOU LOOK AT BETTY ROBERTS.
WHO'S ACTUALLY RIGHT NEXT TO THE, WE ACTUALLY, SHE DID GET ARMORED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNTY PAID FOR THAT.
SHE'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE, UH, BRIDGE THAT GOES OVER GLEN BROOK THAT WAS DAMAGED BY A TREE IN ONE OF THE FLOODS.
AND SO THEY WENT BACK IN THE COUNTY, PAID TO, UH, TO REHAB THE BRIDGE.
I DON'T KNOW WHO PAID FOR THE, BUT THE IDEA TOO WAS TO GO AHEAD AND ARM ARE RIGHT THERE.
AND SO SHE GOT ARMORED, RIGHT.
I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH HER AND THE YEARS THAT SHE'S LIVED THERE, I THINK SHE ESTIMATED THAT SHE HAS LOST 15 TO 20 FEET OF HER YARD.
NOW SHE'S PROBABLY BEEN THERE 50 YEARS, BUT IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
SO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING STAFF TO DO IS TO BRING BACK, UH, THESE GO AND RESEARCH SOME TYPE OF GRADE OR SOME TYPE OF STUDY THAT WOULD SHOW A REVENUE IMPACT IF WE WERE TO WORK.
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A LOT OF THAT WORK HAS BEEN DONE, IT WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO BE UPDATED BY, UM, BY MATT, BUT UPDATE WHAT IT WOULD BE AND WHAT IT COULD DO.AND THEN WHAT A PROGRAM MIGHT LOOK LIKE IF IT HAD NOT, NOT JUST DOING GABION WALLS, BUT IF IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, CAUSE THERE ARE SOME PLACES THAT, THAT THE, THE BIGGER WALLS, THE GABIONS AND THE, WHATEVER, THE CALL THE BAG, WELL, I'VE ALWAYS CALLED THEM BACK WALLS.
THE GABIONS IN THE BACK WALLS ARE GOOD FOR PLACES WHERE YOU HAVE SOME FAIRLY STEEP RIGHT STUFF.
BUT FOR THINGS THAT ARE MORE SLOPED, A LOT OF DUCK CREEK IS, IS FAIRLY LIGHTLY SLOPED, BUT THERE MAY BE SOME EROSION ISSUES OR OTHER STUFF ALONG THERE THAT YOU COULD ADDRESS WITH JUST, YOU KNOW, UH, WITH VEGETATION OR OTHER THINGS.
SO IT'S JUST KIND OF TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF PROGRAM.
AND I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE A FULLY BUILT OUT PROGRAM.
I MEAN, I I'D BE HAPPY TO BRING THE CONCEPT TO COUNCIL.
AND IF COUNCIL'S LIKE, YES, THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO.
I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO BURN A TON OF STAFF TIME ON IT, BUT I WANT ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL.
HERE'S THE CONCEPT, HERE'S WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
ARE YOU BEHIND THIS OR NOT? AND IF THEY'RE BEHIND IT MUCH LIKE WE DID WITH THE, I MEAN, WE DID THAT LAST YEAR WITH THE SPEED, SPEED HUMPS.
SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF THE COUNCIL THINKS WE'RE HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, THEN LET'S BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE, FINISHED OUT THE POLICY AND BRING IT FORWARD.
UM, SO, UH, COUNCILMAN, YOU'RE AN ENGINEER.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? EVERY SITE'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.
YOU HAVE SITES INDEED THAT ARE VERY STEEP.
I HAVE THEM IN MY OWN DISTRICT, ALONG SPRING CREEK THROUGH THE CAMELOT NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE ENGINEERING SOLUTION.
IF ONE HOMEOWNER TAKES ADVANTAGE, YOU'RE JUST PUSHING THE PROBLEM DOWNSTREAM BECAUSE IF THAT PERSON DOESN'T WANT TO PAY FOR IT, THEY'RE NOW NOT ARMORED.
WHILE THIS ONE MAY BE, IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOMETHING MAJOR.
LIKE HE WAS SAYING 500 FEET DOING A LARGE SECTION AT ONE TIME TO REALLY DO IT RIGHT.
UM, NOT AS, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT AS ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT IT, JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE PROBLEMS, JUST, YOU'RE JUST PUSHING IT TO THE NEXT GUY.
AND I'VE TALKING TO MY RESIDENTS IN CAMELOT THAT FRANKLY, NO MATTER HOW MUCH, IF WE GAVE HIM 90% PAID FOR BY THE CITY, THEY STILL COULDN'T USE IT BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.
HOW MICHAEL, REMIND US HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE IN THE PROGRAM AND WHERE THAT MONEY CAME FROM.
AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS, UM, FOR DRAINAGE PARTICIPATED, I THINK IT WAS 4 MILLION, IT WAS FOUR OR 5 MILLION OR FIVE OVER, OVER THE SEVEN YEAR PERIOD.
AND I THINK, I DON'T KNOW, THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT IT, I THINK IT WAS, AND THEY HAVE TO BE, I CAN'T REMEMBER IT WAS THE, THE SIDEWALK PARTS.
SO WE LOOKED AT ALL THE PARTICIPATION PROGRAMS AND THE ALLEY PARTICIPATION PROGRAM WAS THE ONE THAT GOT THE LEAST USE, BUT DRAINAGE WAS NEXT TERM THAT BECAUSE OF THE, THE COST.
AND SO THE THOUGHT THEN IS IF YOU TAKE YOUR FIVE, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU TAKE A, A BOND DRIVEN PROGRAM WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING 50 OR 60 MILLION IN, THEN YOU, THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING ABLE TO DO SOME REAL, SOME LARGE PROJECTS.
AND THEN YOU END UP IN AS PART OF THAT.
I THINK YOU WOULD SURVEY BASICALLY ALL OF OUR CREEKS IN THE CITY, ALMOST LIKE A, UM, ALMOST LIKE WE DO AS STREETS, PART OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU'VE DONE A SURVEY AND YOU'VE DETERMINED THAT IN TERMS OF BANG FOR THE BUCK, YOU KNOW, THIS PART OF SPRING CREEK GETS US, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, UH, YOU KNOW, IT GETS US A, UH, A BIGGER BANG FOR THE BUCK OR WHATEVER IT IS MUCH LIKE WE DO WITH, WITH PCI AND OTHER THINGS.
AND, AND THEN YOU CAN RATE THAT AGAINST THE COST TO, TO DO THE PROJECT.
THERE MAY BE ULTIMATELY THERE'S NO COST TO THE HOMEOWNER.
AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE DIRECTION ULTIMATELY THAT, THAT WE ENDED UP HEADING ON A LOT OF THESE PROGRAMS. I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR SIDEWALK PARTICIPATION PROGRAM MOVE TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, IT'S THOSE THINGS IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, IS THIS AN AMENITY OR IS THIS AN INFRASTRUCTURE THING? THAT'S THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY, SAME THING WITH THE SPEED HUMPS.
IS IT AN AMENITY TO HAVE ONE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR IS IT THE CITY'S OBLIGATION TO KIND OF FIND WAYS TO ENFORCE SPEED THE ISSUE AND TALK? JOHN BAKER TO THE CAMELOT RESIDENTS IS THAT THERE'S A SERIES OF THREE PONDS THAT ARE PUT IN BY THE DEVELOPER THAT REALLY THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY, BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNERS OWN ALL THE WAY TO THE CENTER OF THE POND.
SO THEY'RE PRIVATE DRAINAGE PONDS THAT ARE ERODING AWAY AT THE OUTFALLS.
SO FUNCTIONALLY, THE CITY WOULD JUST LIKE TO DRAIN THEM
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AND JUST HAVE WATER JUST FLOW THROUGH DIRECTLY OUT RATHER THAN HAVE A DAM THAT RETAINS IT AND CAUSES MORE PROBLEMS. SO YOU GET INTO PROPERTY OWNERSHIP OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE WHO'S RESPONSIBILITY.IS IT WHEN FUNCTIONING, WE JUST WANT THE WATER TO COME OUT WHILE THEY WANT AN AMENITY, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING FOR A POND.
NO, NO, THERE'S NO GOOD ANSWER ON, EVEN, EVEN ON DUCK CREEK, THESE PROPERTIES THAT WERE BUILT IN FIFTIES AND SIXTIES, THEY MIGHT NOT BE BUILT TODAY.
GIVEN THE MORE STRINGENT REGULATIONS WE HAVE.
SO IS IT FEASIBLE TO KEEP THAT HOUSE AND PAY FOR THE ARMORING LAND? IT MIGHT NOT MEAN REGULATION, LIKE A FLOODPLAIN REGULATION THAT WE HAVE.
AND THAT GETS BACK TO, AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK YOU SEE THE INTERSECTION WITH THE FLOOD-PRONE PROPERTIES PROGRAM.
IT'S LIKE THIS ISN'T, THIS IS LESS A FLOOD CONTROL.
THERE'S THAT WHERE YOU GO FROM FLOOD CONTROL TO EROSION CONTROL AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND I'VE HEARD THIS EROSION CAUSING THE FLOOD AND I'VE HEARD THIS DISCUSSIONS.
IT'S LIKE, YEAH, ALL ALONG GLENBROOK, WE NEVER WOULD HAVE BUILT ANY OF THOSE HOUSES THAT GO UP AGAINST DUCK CREEK.
YOU WOULD ALL JUST BE, YOU KNOW, MUCH LIKE TH LIKE MUCH, LIKE IT IS SOUTH OF CENTERVILLE WHERE IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS WE JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, POLICY THINGS.
AND SOME OF THEM ARE DIFFICULT CALLS, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S LIKE, AT WHAT LEVEL IS IT, YOU KNOW, ARE SOME OF THESE THINGS IN AMENITY OR NOT? AND THEN, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
I FEEL LIKE THE EROSION IS THE CREEK EROSION FROM STORM WATERS, LESS OF AN AMENITY ISSUE BASED ON THIS CONVERSATION.
THEN WHAT, UH, WHAT ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS NOW THAT YOU'RE ASKING STAFF TO BRING BACK TO US THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE SOMETHING TO COUNCIL BASICALLY KIND OF A SKELETAL.
THIS IS THE IDEA, THIS IS WHAT A PROGRAM WOULD LOOK LIKE IN A BALLPARK OF WHAT YOU COULD ACCOMPLISH WITH THAT BEFORE WE START SPENDING TOO MUCH TIME ON THE, ON THE, THE NITTY GRITTY PO I MEAN, THERE ARE, HERE'S THE THING, THIS IS A, THIS IS A LONG-TERM DISCUSSION IN THE SENSE OF, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT GENERALLY ABOUT THE PROGRAM AND SAY, OKAY, THAT'S GREAT.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, NITTY GRITTY, LITTLE POLICY DECISIONS AND OTHER STUFF THAT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE, BUT I WOULD RATHER GET COUNCIL BACKING ON THE CONCEPT.
CAUSE COUNSEL MAY SAY, NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, 100% OF THEIR PREROGATIVE OR THEY MAY SAY, YEAH, THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN AWESOME IDEA.
AND THEN, THEN WE CAN START TALKING ABOUT INVESTING MORE, MORE STAFFING COMMITTEE, TIME INTO FIGURING OUT WHAT A PROGRAM LIKE THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, OKAY.
AT THIS POINT, WOULD YOU, I WROTE IT DOWN EARLIER, AS FAR AS THE COMPARISON TO OTHER CITIES IN WHAT OTHER CITIES EVER, I'VE WRITTEN A NUMBER OF CITIES DOWN THAT I KNOW HAVE POSSIBLY SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WE CAN CHECK ON AND, AND VET THAT FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
AND MAYBE JUST, YEAH, HERE'S WHAT I JUST REMEMBER THAT AUSTIN I'D LOOKED AT A BUNCH IN AUSTIN IN AND OF ITSELF HAD HAD A VERY SOPHISTICATED PROGRAM AND IT, YOU KNOW, CANDIDLY, IT'S NOT MUCH, IT'S JUST LIKE SPEED HUMPS.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT SAY, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GET AS A ANALYZE, WHAT THE EXTENT OF THE PROBLEM IS THEY CAN RAMP UP, YOU KNOW, RESPONSIVE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT FOLKS WHO ARE SPEEDING, BUT YOUR AVERAGE SPEED ISN'T OVER THE LIMIT, THEN WE CAN BRING IN POLICE RESPONSE OR WE CAN DO THIS.
IF YOU HAVE SOME VERY MILD EROSION, WHAT WOULD YOU DO VERSUS SOME OF THE MORE SIGNIFICANT STUFF? AND THEN HOW WOULD YOU RATE YOU'D REALLY HAVE TO RATE IT.
I THINK MAYOR PRO TEM HENDRICK IS RIGHT.
YOU'D HAVE TO RATE IT, NOT ON SITE-SPECIFIC, BUT ON LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF WE DID 500 FEET, BOTH BANKS, WHAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S THE RATING OF THAT STRETCH AND WHAT WOULD THAT COST BE KIND OF THING.
AND MAYBE IT DOES COME BACK AS A ZERO.
YOU KNOW, WE JUST LOOK AT THIS AS OUR OBLIGATION, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME POLICY DECISIONS AND OTHER STUFF WOULD HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IS THERE MAY BE SOME PEOPLE, I MEAN, YOU PROBABLY RUN INTO SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE, NO, PLEASE LET MY PROPERTY ERODE AWAY.
I MEAN, I WOULDN'T THINK SO, BUT I KNOW WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO WOULD, THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEBODY, THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEBODY WHO'S LIKE, NO, I WANT TO KEEP IT NATURAL.
AND I WANT TO RETURN MY DURING MY PROPERTY TO THE EARTH, WHATEVER.
MR. CHAIR, CAN I ASK HIM PLEASE? MICHAEL? SORRY.
THE, SO THE, THE FOUR-ISH MILLION THAT WE HAVE IN THE EROSION PARTICIPATION PROGRAM, UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S SOME OUTSTANDING REQUESTS FOR, UH, FOR THAT PRO WAS IT 10 APPLICATIONS THAT ARE HANGING OUT THERE? WE HAVE, WE HAVE 10 LOCATIONS.
UM, ONE, ONE LOCATION DOES ACTUALLY INCLUDE
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MULTIPLE PROPERTIES.AND HAVE THEY KIND OF APPLIED FOR, TO USE THE MONEY OR REACHED OUT TO US? THEY'VE REACHED OUT AND ASKED, AND THEN OF COURSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE CONTRACT ANYMORE.
THEIR CONTRACT HAD EXPIRED WITH DUNCANVILLE, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE A CONTRACT.
WE HAD TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER TO BID OUT, TO HAVE A CONTRACT.
WE NOW HAVE A CONTRACT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AWARDED, UM, NEXT MEETING IN MARCH.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE CAN GO, WELL, WE'RE PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER.
AND WE'RE SOLICITING NOW BASED ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A, ALL THIS APPROVED.
AND SO BASED ON KIND OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING OR EXPECTING WITH THE BIDS AND THE CONTRACT, I MEAN, A BALLPARK OF HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE US TO KIND OF BURN THROUGH THAT $4 MILLION THAT WE'VE GOT.
W AND I NEED, I NEED A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON THE MULTIPLE PROPERTY.
I JUST FOUND THAT OUT TODAY THAT THERE WAS QUITE A FEW PROPERTIES ON THIS ONE.
AND AGAIN, I'VE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, WITH THESE 10, DEFINITELY WE WOULD BURN THROUGH THAT PRETTY QUICK THAT WE PROBABLY WON'T HAVE ENOUGH IN ONE YEAR FOR THESE 10 OKAY.
SO THE CAUSE THE 4 MILLION, IT WAS NOT ALL IN ONE CHUNK.
WE'VE GOT IT SPREAD THROUGHOUT WRECKED.
UM, IT WAS SIX, I THINK, SIX YEARS.
SORRY FOR THE QUESTIONS, BUT NO GOOD, GOOD, GOOD INFORMATION.
AND BY ALL MEANS, CONSIDER YOU CONTINUE THE PROGRAM AS IT EXISTS, YOU KNOW, MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE GETTING ALL THIS, YOU GOT A LOT OF WORK AHEAD OF YOU.
YOU'RE NOT, I SEE THAT I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING AT AUSTIN KIND OF REGULATION RIGHT NOW, BUT I MEAN, I'VE DONE PROJECTS IN AUSTIN WHERE I'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS EROSION AND BANK STABILIZATION AND IT'S QUITE A EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION, NEW HIRE ENGINEERS, AND REALLY DO IT PROPERLY.
SO IT'S, YEAH, IT MAY BE SOMETHING WELL BEYOND.
I MEAN, WE MAY BE LOOKING AT IT.
I KNOW A LOT OF US ARE ALREADY LOOKING TOWARDS THE NEXT BOND PROGRAM AND WHAT WOULD BE IN THERE.
AND WE MAY DETERMINE THAT WE MAY DETERMINE THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT A 5 MILLION OR 10 OR $50 MILLION PROBLEM.
WE MAY, YOU KNOW, AND UNFORTUNATELY, BEING ON THE BOND STUDY COMMITTEE, THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS ARE NOT THE SEXY PROJECTS THAT REALLY GET THE VOTERS COME OUT AND TURN OUT AND VOTE FOR THEM, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT IT'S NECESSARY, BUT IT'S JUST NOT A BIG FLASHY, UH, ANIMAL SHELTER.
SO WE JUST NEED TO IDENTIFY THE NEXT FLASHY PROJECT, THIS TAGS ALONG JUST AS A RETAINING WALL AND MAKE AN AMENITY.
NO, BUT THAT'S, I MEAN, TO YOUR POINT, THE REASON MOST COMMUNITIES USE THEIR STORM WATER UTILITY TO FUND THESE PROJECTS IS THAT THEY'RE NOT SEXY FOR A BOND.
SO YOU END UP, YOU KNOW, FUNDING IT OUT OF A UTILITY.
I'D HATE FOR IT TO BE ON THE BOND, FUTURE BOND PROGRAM AND THEN FAIL OR SO EVEN FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN COMFORT WITH THE EXPERIENCE, I MEAN, SOME ARE PUSHED BACK THERE TOO, EITHER WAY YOU GO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT THEN, UH, WITH THAT, WHICH ITEM NUMBER FIVE AND WE ADJOURNED AT FIVE 14.