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IT IS FEBRUARY 22ND, 2022.

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IT'S 1:00 PM.

UH, AND THIS IS THE INNER GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS COMMITTEE FOR CITY OF GARLAND CHAIRMAN ROBERT JONES SMITH.

WITH ME TODAY, I HAVE A DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, BJ WILLIAMS, UH, ACCOUNTS NUMBER OF JOB IN A CITY ATTORNEY, BRIAN ENGLAND AND LAURA DELLA VEGA, LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS OFFICIAL LIAISON OF AWESOMENESS.

FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES IS THAT BIRDIE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM.

AND IS THERE A MOTION? WE HAVE A MOTION APPROVED BY COUNCIL MEMBER ALBAN A SECOND BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM WILLIAMS, ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE.

AYE.

THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

UH, MOVING ON TO ITEM TWO, A PUBLIC INPUT.

THERE'S NO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE, BUT IF THEY SHOW UP, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE TESTIMONY.

ITEM NUMBER THREE, ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, DISCUSSION OF THE GIS D RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO SAY AS WE DO THIS? DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST RUN WITH IT? OKAY.

UH, LAST YEAR WE RECEIVED A, UH, RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE GARLAND INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT TO BUILD A COALITION WITH THE CITIES OF GARLAND ROWLETT.

AND SAXY, UH, AT THAT TIME WE DISCUSSED IT AND THE COMMITTEE HAD ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE LANGUAGE.

UH, THE COMMITTEE DIRECTED ME TO MEET WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF G I S D AND DISCUSS THOSE ISSUES.

AND I'M HERE TO REPORT BACK ON THAT MEANING TODAY, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UH, I, I MENTIONED THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF PAGE TWO, UH, WAS CERTAINLY AN ISSUE.

AND, UH, THE, THE MEMBERS OF GSD THAT I DISCUSSED THIS WITH, OR, UH, ROBERTS ELDERS AND, UH, BOARD OF TRUSTEES, PRESIDENT JAMIE MILLER.

AND, UH, THEY GOOFED, THEY, THEY, UH, WROTE THIS FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, BUT THEY DIDN'T KEEP THE NEEDS OF THE DIFFERENT MEMBERS IN MIND.

AND, UH, FIRST THING THAT THEY OFFERED WAS THAT THEY WOULD BE HAPPY TO AMEND THAT SECTION, UH, TO, TO READ AS, UH, COMMUNICATE DISTRICT AND CITY OR AN MEMBERING CITY INITIATIVES.

UH, THEY WANTED THIS TO BE A BI-DIRECTIONAL THING.

UH, THEY ALSO TOLD ME THAT THE UNDERLYING MOTIVATION FOR THIS WAS A CONFERENCE THAT MR. SOLDIERS WENT TO.

UM, HE, UH, IT WAS ON CITY AND SCHOOL DISTRICT PARTNERSHIPS AND STUDENT OUTCOMES.

AND HE SAID THAT THEY WERE SHOWING A VERY HEAVY CORRELATION BETWEEN BETTER STUDENT OUTCOMES AND STRONGER PARTICIPATION BETWEEN THE CITIES AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THESE TYPES OF, UH, BOARDS.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT, UH, WHAT THE SPECIFICS WERE OF THAT, BUT, UH, HE INDICATED THINGS LIKE, UH, COORDINATING AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAMS WITH REC CENTER PROGRAMS, UH, TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY ISSUES, WHICH OF COURSE WE'VE BEEN ADDRESSING IN GARLAND, UH, UNILATERALLY ON OUR SIDE.

UM, AND, AND THE OTHER THING THAT WAS MENTIONED WAS THAT THEY DON'T GET THE SAME INSIGHT THAT WE GET INTO OUR STAFF'S ACTIVITIES, AS FAR AS HOW OUR STAFF COMMUNICATES WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

UH, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT CONNECTION, UH, WITH THEIR SENIOR STAFF THAT WE DO.

AND THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A PATH TO ENGAGE CITIES LIKE US DIRECTLY, UH, WITHOUT HAVING TO USE THE STAFF PATHWAY THAT THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE ACCESS TO.

AND SO THAT THAT'S, WHAT'S MOTIVATING, UH, THE RESOLUTION, UH, A COUPLE OF CONCERNS THAT THEY RAISED BECAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY KNOW THEY WROTE THIS, BUT THEY SEE SOME WEAKNESSES AND POTENTIAL ISSUES IN THE APPROACH, UH, IS THEY DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A PLATFORM FOR US TO JUST SIT DOWN AND GRIPE AT EACH OTHER.

AND THAT WE KNOW THAT THAT'S VERY PERSONALITY DEPENDENT.

AND SO, UH, THEIR GOAL WAS IF THIS RESOLUTION IS ACCEPTABLE TO THE FOUR MEMBERS, UH, THEY WANTED, UH, A LENGTHY DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW TO STRUCTURE THESE MEETINGS TO TRY AND ENSURE THAT THEY'RE PRODUCTIVE.

AND THEY'RE NOT JUST A WASTE OF AN HOUR EVERY QUARTER.

UM, AND WE KNOW THAT THAT'S EASIER SAID THAN DONE AND, AND THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT CHALLENGE AS WELL.

SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT I TOOK AWAY FROM IT.

AND, UH, THEY, THEY WERE NOT AS CONCERNED AS, UH, ABOUT THE MAKEUP OF WHO WE MIGHT SEND AS DELEGATES.

UH, THAT WAS MORE OF SUGGESTIVE LANGUAGE.

UH, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, DO WE SEND THE MAYOR, THE CITY MANAGER OR WHOEVER IT IS, WHOEVER WE WANT TO SEND, UH, REALISTICALLY, AND I LET THEM KNOW WE HAVE, UH, A SOMEWHAT KIND OF A WEAK MAYOR AND GARLAND IN THAT REGARD.

UH, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT.

UH, WE'RE,

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WE'RE NOT BUILT THE SAME AS RAIL.

THAT IS WHERE THE MAYOR REALLY CONTROLS JUST ABOUT EVERY LITTLE THING THAT GOES ON IF YOU ASKED HER COUNCIL MEMBERS.

UH, BUT, BUT THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT DISCUSSION TOO.

SO, UH, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO COMMENTARY.

JUMP ON IN.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

I READ OVER THIS, I READ OVER THIS AND TWO QUESTIONS.

ONE IS, IS THIS RESOLUTION REFLECTIVE OF FOUR MEMBERS OR A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE BOARD, OR IS THIS REFLECTIVE OF THE BOARD? IS SIS A BOARD INITIATIVE OR A, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE BOARD? THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION.

SO IT WOULD HAVE COME OUT OF THEIR SUBCOMMITTEE STRUCTURE, VERY SIMILAR TO HOW WE HAVE THAT.

UH, IT WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE BY THE BOARD TO PROCEED WITH THIS.

SO I ASSUME THIS REFLECTS AND INTEREST OF THE FULL BOARD BECAUSE THEY ALL DID VOTE FOR IT.

UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY INSIDE KNOWLEDGE THAT WOULD LEAD ME TO BELIEVE OTHERWISE, SO I JUST HAVE TO TAKE IT ON ITS FACE.

OKAY.

MY SECOND THING IS BEFORE SETTING UP A COMMITTING, COMMITTING FOUR, AND I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH MEETING WITH SCHOOL BOARD, IF IT'S GOING TO BE PRODUCTIVE, I WOULD, AND IT WOULDN'T BE AN A RESOLUTION, BUT I'D WANT US TO COME WITH WHAT'S WHAT'S THE OBJECTIVE.

I DON'T, I DON'T, I STILL DON'T GET THIS.

ARE THERE SOME QUANTIFIABLE MEASURABLE OBJECTIVES? WHAT, WELL, ONE OR TWO, WHATEVER IT IS, IT'S TWO THINGS.

THE THREE THINGS THAT I'M NOT CLEAR ON.

OKAY.

OTHER THAN THE CONVERSATION, THE RELATIONSHIP BUILDING THAT'S, THAT'S ALL FINE FELLING.

GOOD.

BUT I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT ALL IN FOR, FOR DOING THAT.

WHAT IS, I I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME, UH, SOME RELATIVELY CLEARLY DEFINED OBJECTIVES.

THIS, IF IT'S ONLY ONE OR TWO, WHAT WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE END GOAL OF, OF THIS.

IF WE, IF WE MEET QUARTERLY, WHAT WHAT'S THE END GOAL, UH, AND, UM, OF THIS AND HOW, HOW WOULD THIS GROUP, AND I'M SORT OF REFLECTING ON WHAT THE OLD TIME, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, UH, YOU KNOW, YEAH.

THE SCHOOL BOARD, THE SCHOOL BOARD AND CITY AND CHAMBER THE MAT.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHETHER IT'S STILL, I THINK THEY STILL MEET.

YEAH.

OKAY.

SO IS THIS, IS THIS A SPIN OUT FROM THAT GROUP AND HOW TO SET IF THAT GROUP IS CONTINUING, HOW DOES THIS FIT IN TO THAT, UH, THAT GROUP, AS I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PURPOSES OF THAT, OF THAT GROUP IS? SO THOSE WOULD BE MY TWO CONCERNS FOR MOVING FORWARD IS WHETHER OBJECTIVES I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME QUANTIFIABLE OBJECTIVES.

I, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE MEASURE THOSE AND HOW DOES, I DON'T WANT TO SIMPLY FORMULATE A NEW COMMITTEE THAT SUPPLEMENTS THAT ARE DUPLICATES, WHAT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE THAT IS MADE UP? UH, MY UNDERSTANDING CORRECT ME IF IT'S CHANGE OF REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE CHAMBER CITY OF GARLAND AND SCHOOL DISTRICT.

SO THOSE WOULD BE, THOSE WOULD BE MY, MY CONCERN.

AND AT LAST, SAY, AS AN EXAMPLE, YOU MENTIONED TRANSPORTATION.

I KNOW FOR A FACT, RIGHT NOW, DART IS WORKING ON AN INITIATIVE WITH SCHOOL DISTRICT TO PROVIDE FREE BUS PASSES, TRANSPORTATION TO STUDENTS.

I KNOW THAT I DON'T THINK THAT BOARD IS FINAL.

I SAID, BUT I, BUT I, UH, REVIEWED TO MAKE FORMATION ON THAT.

SO THEY'RE DOING THIS OUTSIDE NOW.

I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A GROUP, A DUPLICATION THING.

SO THOSE ARE MY FOUR CONCERNS.

UM, MS. CHAIR, LIKE I SAID, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE COLLABORATION FROM THAT, BUT THOSE ARE MY, THOSE WOULD BE SOME, SOME QUESTIONS OR SOME CONCERNS THAT I'D LIKE TO HAVE ANSWERED BEFORE WE COMMIT THE CITY TO, UM, USING THIS GROUP AS, AS, UH, TOOK OFF JUST WHATEVER IT IS.

SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS.

THANK YOU.

AND, AND I'LL, I'LL TRY AND ANSWER A COUPLE OF THOSE POINTS WITH DISCUSSIONS THAT WERE HAD DURING THE ONE-ON-ONE.

OTHERWISE OBVIOUSLY CAN'T

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SPEAK FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD.

UM, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE JUST HAD THE, UH, THE GANG ISSUES, UH, BOTH IN THE EDGE OF MY DISTRICT AND DOWN NEXT TO 6 35.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT COVID WAS HAVING ON, UH, JUST EXTRACURRICULAR PROGRAMS IN GENERAL AND HOW WE WERE SEEING THE, THE SPIKES AND VIOLENCE ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES, BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE KEPT AT HOME AND WE WERE LOSING A LOT OF THE AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAMS. AND, UM, I'M PRETTY SURE OUR REC CENTER PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN CURTAILED IN A LOT OF WAYS.

AND, YOU KNOW, JUST, UH, STRATEGIZING, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE GET THESE THINGS BACK UP AND GOING IN A POST COVID WORLD AS, UH, AS SOMETHING TO KEEP THE KIDS BUSY SO THAT WE'RE NOT STUCK HAVING TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF OUR GANG UNIT BECAUSE THE, THEY CAME, UH, THEY OPENED WITH, HEY, WE REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WHAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE WITH YOUR GANG UNIT.

AND I WAS LIKE, OH, WELL, OKAY.

YEAH, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT.

THAT'S OUR JOB.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT ANNOUNCED PREVENTION IS A POUND OF CURE AND WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF, IF ONCE WE GET OUT OF THIS, THIS COVID WORLD, UH, THAT WE CAN GIVE THESE KIDS SOMETHING BETTER TO DO WITH THEIR TIME.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE CITY IN THE, IN THE DISTRICT AND AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAMS AND HOW YOU GET KIDS FROM POINT A TO POINT B IN TRANSPORTATION ISSUES IN THAT RESPECT AND THINGS LIKE THE DART BUS PASSES WOULD BE HUGE IN GETTING THESE KIDS FROM HOME POTENTIALLY, OR, OR AFTERSCHOOL INTO OUR REC CENTERS AND, AND USING OUR REC CENTERS AS POTENTIAL DROP-OFF POINTS, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T WANT OUR PEOPLE TO BECOME BABYSITTERS AND, AND JUST RUNNING THROUGH A LOT OF THESE, THESE TYPES OF ISSUES, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TIMING OUR, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS AROUND THE SCHOOL YEAR AND HOW THE INTERCESSION MADE THAT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT, BECAUSE WE LOST THAT BIG BLOCK OF TIME IN THE SUMMER, AND IT WAS GETTING SPREAD OUT INTO THESE OTHER PARTS OF THE CALENDAR YEAR.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I, WE, WE, WE AIRED A FEW ISSUES.

UH, WHAT I SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A LOT HARDER FOR ME TO GO DO FIRST STREET, UH, WHICH WE DID THIS PAST SUMMER AND, AND INTERFERES WITH THE BUS BARNS OPERATION IF WE HAVE A SHORTER SCHOOL YEAR OR SHORTER SUMMER VACATION.

AND SO IT'S KIND OF THOSE OPERATIONAL ISSUES THAT KEPT POPPING UP.

AND I THINK THAT'S MORE OF WHAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN TALKING ABOUT, UH, ON THAT TRI-CITY LEVEL, GETTING THAT KIND OF A MAN, I HATE TO USE THE WORD SYNERGISTIC EVER, BECAUSE IT WAS SO OVERUSED IN THE LATE NINETIES THAT, THAT IT'S KIND OF A NO-GO WORD FOR ME, BUT LET'S RUN WITH IT KIND OF THAT SYNERGISTIC EFFECT BETWEEN THE THREE CITIES, UM, AND, AND HOW THEY DEAL WITH THE, THE SAME ISSUE WITH THREE VERY DIFFERENT FLAVORS OF, OF CITY GOVERNANCE.

AND SO I THINK THAT GETTING EVERYBODY AT THE SAME TABLE FOR THEM AS A BIG GOAL, BECAUSE THEY CAN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ONCE AND EVERYBODY CAN SEE HOW EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING IT NOW, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STEERING COMMITTEE, UH, THAT'S NOT ONE THAT I GO TO BECAUSE IT'S A WEIRD TIME OF DAY FOR ME, IT'S EIGHT IN THE MORNING AND, UH, I'VE BEEN ASLEEP FOR THREE HOURS.

SO, UM, WHAT I UNDERSTOOD WAS THAT WAS A MORE OF A CHAMBER DRIVEN INITIATIVE FOR WORKFORCE PIPELINE AND HOW CHANGES IN CITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND IN, IN SCHOOL DISTRICT PROGRAMMING, UH, FED INTO THAT, THAT LABOR, THAT TRAIN LABOR SUPPLY.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN USED FOR THAT OR THAT IT HASN'T BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING I MAKE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I TOLD THEM I WAS VERY CANDID WITH THEM.

I SAID, YOU KNOW, IF THIS TURNS INTO ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE SIT DOWN, SO A JED REED CAN YELL AT ME FOR TWO HOURS ABOUT EVERYTHING THE CITY'S DOING WRONG, I'M NOT INTERESTED.

IT'S LIKE, WAIT, WE NEED A POSITIVE PATHWAY, UH, TO HAVE THESE, THESE DISCUSSIONS AND THESE PARTNERSHIPS, AND WE NEED TO BE COLLABORATIVE COLLABORATING AND INSTEAD OF BLAMING, AND THAT'S WHEN WE GOT INTO THE DISCUSSION OF PERSONALITIES AND HOW YOU, HOW YOU CRAFT THIS THING TO BE A VEHICLE FOR POSITIVE CHANGE.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S A CHALLENGE.

SO, UH, THAT'S ALL I KNOW FROM BASED ON THE DISCUSSION, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE, WELL, LET ME GO TO YOUR COUNCILMAN MANABI D DID YOU WANT TO JUMP IN ON THIS? I DO.

UM, AND I, I APPRECIATE PJ'S CONCERNS.

AND IN RESPECT THOSE, I DO SEE IT THE WAY YOU DESCRIBED.

I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU HAD.

CAUSE I THINK IT PROVIDES A LOT OF CLARITY TO WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR.

UM, AND I DON'T NECESSARILY DISAGREE WITH THAT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A, THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT, THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE STAFF.

THAT'S JUST A, KIND OF A KIND OF DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS AND, YOU KNOW, FOR, UM, FOR A LOT OF YEARS, WE'VE

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KIND OF HOPED FOR THAT IN THE SENSE OF, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MANY TIMES, I'VE SAID, YOU KNOW, GOSH, I WISH WE HAD A, A BETTER, MORE CONSTRUCTIVE, UM, WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN PARTICULAR.

AND NOT THAT WE HAVE A BAD RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM, BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE TWO SHIPS THAT PASS IN THE NIGHT.

I MEAN, I, I, I COULDN'T REALLY TELL YOU, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOUR KIDS IN GI ISD, I COULDN'T REALLY TELL YOU WHAT THE, FROM THE BOARD, THEIR BOARD'S PERSPECTIVE, THE BIGGEST ISSUES ARE THEY'RE OUT THERE, THEY'RE DOING OUR THING AND WE'RE OUT HERE DOING, UH, DOING OURS, YOU KNOW? UM, AND SO AS LONG AS IT'S SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST DRAFT OF THIS, WHICH WAS NOT RECIPROCAL WAS A LITTLE CONCERNING BECAUSE IT WAS ALMOST LIKE, WHAT ARE WE HERE JUST TO SERVE YOUR INTEREST OR WHAT, SO THE, SO THE IDEA OF IT BEING RECIPROCAL SOUNDS GOOD.

UM, AND, AND TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, I MEAN, IN A LOT OF WAYS, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS SENSE OF, I DON'T REALLY NEED TO KNOW WHAT RAW LED OR SEXY OR WHAT WHOEVER'S DOING, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK IT'S NOT A BAD THING EITHER JUST TO BUILD SOME OF THOSE RELATIONSHIPS.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE RELATIONSHIPS NOW.

I MEAN, WE'VE IN THE PAST, KIND OF HAD SOME CONNECTIONS WITH, WITH RAUL LAT.

UM, BUT, BUT LATELY HAVE NOT.

UM, SO I I'D BE HAPPY TO, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ENJOY FOR EXAMPLE, ABOUT THE RTC.

AND, AND I KNOW SOME OF THESE OTHER BOARDS IS, IS GETTING OUT IF WE'VE DONE A LOT OF, UH, INWARD LOOKING OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, WHICH IS GOOD, BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO DO A LOT OF THAT.

WE HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS TO SOLVE HERE AT HOME, BUT IT DOESN'T HURT ALSO TO, TO BE OUTWARD LOOKING IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT, TO WHAT DEGREE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR PEERS ARE FACING SIMILAR ISSUES AND HOW THEY'RE DEALING WITH THEM.

AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE OUT THERE, LIKE HOW WE DEAL WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, HOW WE'RE DEALING WITH THE SCHOOL IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS ISSUES, I WOULDN'T MIND HEARING, OR HOW GANG ISSUES OR OTHER THINGS I KNOW WE ARE VERY DIFFERENT FROM, UM, FROM RAUL ED AND TAXI.

SO I'M NOT SURE THERE'S A LOT THERE FOR US IN THAT REGARD, BUT, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT A BAD UNDERTAKING.

UM, I THINK, I MEAN, THE REALITY IS, UM, SOMETIMES YOU DO NEED TO FORMALIZE THINGS IN THE SENSE THAT IF WE COULD INFORMALLY SAY, YOU KNOW, LET'S ALL HAVE, YOU KNOW, BUNCH OF US HAVE LUNCH ONCE A MONTH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO SHOW UP ON YOUR CALENDAR HERE PRETTY SOON.

UM, IT'S KIND OF FUNNY.

WE CAME TO THAT SAME CONCLUSION THAT A LOT OF US JUST DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER, AND I BELIEVE MR. MILLER IS GOING TO HOLD A MIXER IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO, UH, JUST TO SEE IF WE ALL WANT TO TRY AND GET TOGETHER ON AN INFORMAL BASIS.

AND, AND, AND I THINK IN SOME WAYS IT'S LIKE, I KNOW, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR THEY INVITE US UP TO THE FOOTBALL GAME OR SOMETHING.

AND, AND SO I KNOW THEM A LITTLE BIT PUT THOSE KINDS OF IN DEPTH, UM, DISCUSSIONS THAT WE DON'T HAVE.

AND I THINK IT'S JUST SOMETIMES HAVING A FORMAL, LIKE WE'RE HAVING A FORMAL MEETING IS NOT A BAD WAY TO DO THAT AND TO ADDRESS ALL THE ISSUES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF, YOU KNOW, FOR ME THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PIECE.

I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A FINE THING TO HAVE.

UM, BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S A VERY NARROW CONTEXT.

UM, AND SO, UM, SORRY.

SO I THINK SOME OTHER FORMAT OR FORM WOULD ALSO MAKE SENSE, SO, OKAY.

ANYWAY, SO THOSE ARE JUST GENERALLY, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF, UM, ADDITIONAL CONCERNS.

I THINK ONCE YOU MAKE A FEW CHANGES, THE OTHER CHANGES THAT YOU MENTIONED TO MAKE THIS A LITTLE MORE RECIPROCAL.