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[Community Services Committee on March 1, 2022.]

RIGHT.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, THIS IS TUESDAY, MARCH 1ST, 2022.

IT IS 4:00 PM.

AND THIS IS A MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE.

I AM CHAIR DEBRA MORRIS, AND WITH ME ARE OUR TWO OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS, COUNCILMAN ROBERT VERA, AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, BJ WILLIAMS. WE ALSO HAVE TWO VISITING COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH US, UH, COUNCILMAN ROBERT, JOHN SMITH, AND COUNCILMAN JEFF BASS.

UM, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF OTHER, UH, GUESTS AS WELL, WHO WILL BE INTRODUCING THEMSELVES, UM, AS, AS WE CALL THEM TO SPEAK.

AND SO, UM, ITEM NUMBER ONE ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 1ST, 2022 MEETING.

SO, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE, YOU HAS HAVE YOU READ IT, REVIEWED IT.

AND DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE IT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

IN FAVOR.

ALL RIGHT.

MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

OKAY.

NUMBER TWO ON THE AGENDA IS TO DISCUSS THE REGULATION OF FOOD TRUCKS AND TRAILERS.

AND, UM, SO I WANT TO START WITH A LITTLE PREAMBLE TO THIS BECAUSE A LOT OF MISINFORMATION HAS BEEN SPREAD, UM, INCLUDING SAYING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DRIVE OUT FOOD TRUCKS, UM, THAT HAS SCARED A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE IN OUR FOOD TRUCK COMMUNITY, AND IT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

SO I WANT TO GO THROUGH, GO OVER, UH, FIRST OF ALL, FOR THE ISSUE, THE ITEM THAT WE ARE REVIEWING IN THIS COMMITTEE, UH, W WHAT IT IS NOT.

SO THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE THAT WE ARE, UH, CRAFTING AND WORKING ON IS NOT ABOUT FOOD TRUCK COURTS.

UM, WE ARE INVESTING SIGNIFICANTLY IN FOOD TRUCK COURTS IN THE CITY OF GARLAND.

UH, WE HAVE ONE PLANNED FOR RECODE AND PARK IN DISTRICT FIVE, ANOTHER ONE PLANNED IN MY DISTRICT AT THE, UH, TENNIS CENTER THAT'S GOING IN ALONG HIGHWAY 66.

AND TUCKERBIL, SO WE ARE INVESTING SIGNIFICANT FUNDS IN BUILDING SHINY NEW, UH, FOOD COURTS.

THAT IS NOT THE TOPIC OF THIS COMMITTEES.

UM, DELIBERATIONS THAT IS IN MOTION OF FOOD TRUCK COURT ORDINANCE IS IN MOTION AND THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE THAT IS A SEPARATE MOTION AND THAT, UH, WHATEVER RESULTS FROM THAT WILL WORK ALONGSIDE WHAT WE ARE CRAFTING IN THIS COMMITTEE.

UM, THIS IS ALSO NOT ABOUT CATERING TRUCKS.

UM, WE HAVE HAD SOME, UH, VERY UPSET, UM, AND ANXIOUS, UH, CATERING TRUCK OPERATORS WHO REGULARLY DELIVER FOOD TO A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION SITES, UM, WHICH IS HOW A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION WORKERS ARE ABLE TO HAVE LUNCH.

UM, AND THEY WERE CONCERNED THAT THIS WOULD SOMEHOW AFFECT THEM.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT CATERING TRUCKS.

UM, AND MR. ENGLAND, CAN, CAN YOU JUST TAKE A MOMENT AND DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN TRUCKS AND FRUIT PREPARATION TRUCKS? SURE.

UM, SO IN BOTH TEXAS STATE LAW AND UNDER OUR ORDINANCE AS ADOPTED, THERE'S A DISTINCTION BETWEEN MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES AND CATERING VEHICLES THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING THAT DISTINCTION, PRIMARILY BEING WITH MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES, THE FOOD IS COOKED ONSITE INGREDIENTS ARE BROUGHT TOGETHER ONSITE AND THEN MADE INTO THE ENTREE.

AND OF COURSE THE CATERING TRUCK IS PRE-PACKAGED MEALS, PRE PRE-PACKAGED, CANDY CHIPS SANDWICHES, AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

OKAY.

SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT THIS, THIS COMMITTEE IS NOT ADDRESSING.

WE ARE NOT REGULATING CATERING TRUCKS, WE'RE NOT REGULATING FOOD TRUCK COURTS.

UM, SO JUST AS FAR AS AGAIN, BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE, UM, MISINFORMATION I WANTED TO QUICKLY GO OVER OUR CITY COUNCIL PROCESS AS WE WORK THROUGH, UM, NEW REGULATIONS, NEW ORDINANCES, HOW THEY COME ABOUT.

SO ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT GENERALLY HAPPENS IS WE GET A COMMITTEE REFERRAL FROM AN ACTING COUNCIL MEMBER, AND THEY SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO REFER THIS ISSUE TO ONE OF THE COMMITTEES FOR CONSIDERATION.

IT REQUIRES A SECOND.

OKAY.

AT THAT POINT, IF, IF IT IS REFERRED WITH A SECOND, UM, THE COMMITTEE DELIBERATES ON IT, AND THAT CAN SOME COMMITTEE DELIBERATIONS HAVE TAKEN, UM, I CAN JUST SAY OVER A YEAR, UM, SHORT ONES THAT ARE PRETTY SIMPLE CAN BE A FEW MONTHS, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A COMPLEX ISSUE.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE, UH, REALLY LATE LAST SUMMER, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE BALANCING COMPETING INTERESTS AND TRYING TO USE A LIGHT HAND.

SO A COMMITTEE WORKS ON IT, THEN THEY REPORT TO A CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.

AND A WORK SESSION IS WE DON'T VOTE ON THINGS IN A WORK SESSION.

WE DON'T PASS ORDINANCE.

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THIS IS THE WORK SESSION.

THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.

IT'S A WORK SESSION.

WE DEBATE THINGS.

WE REFINE THINGS.

WE AMEND THINGS.

UM, WE WORK ON IDEAS AND POTENTIAL ORDINANCES.

WE, UM, WE CRAFT THEM AND WE REFINE THEM.

SOMETIMES THEY CIRCLE BACK TO A COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER WORK.

UM, BOY, WITH OUR PARKING ORDINANCES.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES THAT WENT AROUND THE WING, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, SO AT THE POINT THAT IT GETS REPORTED OUT TO A CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION, AND A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE HAVE EIGHT COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR.

SO THERE ARE ALWAYS NINE OF US.

IT TAKES FIVE TO APPROVE ANYTHING.

OKAY.

ALWAYS FIVE.

AND THIS IS PART OF THE PROCESS I LOVE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY RENEGADES.

UH, REALLY COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN'T MAKE STUFF HAPPEN.

IT TAKES FIVE NORMALLY.

AND I REALLY TRUST THE PROCESS.

UM, EVEN IF ONE OR TWO OF US ARE STUPID, FIVE OF US USUALLY ARE NOT.

OKAY.

SO THERE IS A WELL, YEAH.

UM, SO, UH, AT THE POINT THAT WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE OR A POTENTIAL ORDINANCE THAT, UM, GAINS WIDESPREAD APPROVAL AND ACCEPTANCE AT A CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION, IT IS THEN SENT FORWARD TO A CITY COUNCIL REGULAR SESSION.

THAT IS WHERE WE TAKE VOTES AND ACTUALLY MAKE THINGS HAPPEN.

NOW, SOME, SOME ORDINANCES, UM, SOME ISSUES ARE THEY, THEY GO WITH A PUBLIC HEARING, NOT ALL DO, BUT MANY DO, BUT THEY'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO CITIZEN INPUT, WHETHER IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING OR WHETHER IT'S CITIZENS JUST SIGNING UP TO SPEAK TO THAT ISSUE.

THAT IS A VERY PUBLIC PROCESS.

AND WE ANNOUNCE ALL THESE THINGS WAY IN ADVANCE.

UM, AND SO THAT'S WHERE IT ENDS UP.

THAT'S WHERE ACTUAL ORDINANCES AND REGULATIONS ARE PASSED.

IS THAT A FORMAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING? OKAY.

SO THIS ISSUE, AND AGAIN, I'M GOING OVER THIS PREAMBLE BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH MISINFORMATION THAT'S GONE OUT.

I JUST WANT IT TO BE CLEAR TO EVERYBODY.

SO WE ALL ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.

SO THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE WAS INITIALLY RAISED AND REFERRED BY COUNCILMAN VERA.

OKAY.

UM, HE SPOKE TO ME ABOUT IT AND HIS, UM, WHAT HE, WHAT HE WANTED US TO DO WAS TO DISCUSS REGULATING FOOD, TRUCK PLACEMENT, PARKING ACCESS, AND SANITATION.

OKAY.

SO, UH, IT REQUIRES A SECOND.

HE APPROACHED ME AND ASKED ME TO SECOND, AND I SAID, GIVE ME A HALF A DAY.

I WANT TO TALK TO BUILDING INSPECTIONS INTO CODE AND JUST KIND OF SEE WHAT W HOW BIG THIS NEED IS, UNDERSTAND IT BETTER.

SO I DID, I WENT AND TALKED TO BOTH BUILDING INSPECTION AND CODE COMPLIANCE AND SAID, SO, ARE WE HAVING, ARE WE HAVING PROBLEMS WHERE YOU NEED, DO YOU NEED ORDINANCES? DO YOU NEED A REGULATION? THEY SAID, YES, WE DO.

OKAY.

SO THAT WAS WHEN, UM, I FIRST STARTED HEARING THAT WE WERE, BUT PART OF WHAT LED UP TO THIS WAS IN 2020, UNLIKE MOST OF OUR SURROUNDING CITIES, OUR SIZE, WE HAD PRETTY MUCH NO FOOD TRUCK ORDINANCES OF ANY KIND, EXCEPT FOR THE HEALTH PERMIT, BUT WE'VE, WE HAD SOME, UM, SOME SMALLER FOOD TRUCKS, FOOD TRAILERS THAT DURING THE PANDEMIC WERE SETTING UP AND WANTING TO DO BUSINESS AND THEY'RE LAW ABIDING.

SO THEY CAME AND SAID, WHAT KIND OF PERMIT DO WE NEED? AND WE'RE LIKE, WE GOT NOTHING, UM, A HEALTH PERMIT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER RULES.

CAUSE WE HAVEN'T, THIS COUNCIL HAS NOT MADE ANY.

SO THE ONLY THING THEY COULD OFFER THEM WAS, UH, BASICALLY SPECIAL EVENTS, ESPECIALLY EVENT PERMITS ARE I BELIEVE $125.

AND I'M LOOKING OVER AT SOMEBODY AND THEY'RE EXPENSIVE AND THEY'RE ONLY GOOD FOR SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

SO THIS WAS KIND OF BRUTAL.

AND IT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PANDEMIC AND WE WERE NOT WANTING ANYBODY TO HAVE ANY EXTRA BURDENS DURING THE PANDEMIC.

SO WHAT THAT LEADS TO IS WE DID NOT CRAFT POLICY.

AT THAT TIME, WE HAD THIS KIND OF FLOATING CASE-BY-CASE THING, WHICH GETS MESSY BECAUSE IF YOU SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE A PASS TO THIS PERSON.

YOU ALSO HAVE TO, TO THAT PERSON, THAT, THAT PERSON AND THAT PERSON.

SO IT REACHED THE POINT WHERE WE NEEDED SOME KIND OF CLARITY, SOME KIND OF RULES.

AND WITH MOST OF OUR FOOD TRUCK COMMUNITY WHO OPERATE IN MULTIPLE CITIES, UM, THERE IS KIND OF AN UNDERSTANDING CITY TO CITY OF THE COMMON THINGS THAT DIFFERENT CITIES REQUIRE.

SO THE MAJORITY OF OUR FOOD TRUCK OPERATORS COMING TO GARLAND WERE DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB.

THEY WERE FOLLOWING THE RULES FROM OTHER CITIES WITHOUT US MAKING RULES,

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BUT THERE'S ALWAYS THOSE FEW WHO COME IN AND DON'T, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TRAFFIC, UH, SPEED LIMITS.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF RULES IS BECAUSE OF THE FEW PEOPLE WHO DO NOT SHOW COMMON COURTESY OR COMMON SENSE.

SO HERE WE GO.

UM, ONE POINT OF CONFUSION.

SO WE, WE DID, WE CAME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION, UH, A DRAFT, A FIRST DRAFT, AND WE ALL KNOW FIRST DRAFTS ARE NOT ALWAYS FINAL DRESS AND THEY AREN'T EXPECTED TO BE.

SO WE BROUGHT A FIRST DRAFT TO THE WORK SESSION SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, AND THERE WAS ONE POINT OF CONFUSION ON, ON THAT.

AND THAT WAS ABOUT ON-SITE DINING.

SO THE DECISION THAT WE MADE LAST FALL AS A COMMITTEE WAS, UM, UNINTENTIONALLY AMBIGUOUS.

SO THE LANGUAGE THAT WE USED IN, IN MAKING A DECISION ABOUT THAT WAS JUST LEAVE IT ALONE.

WELL, IN CONTEXT OF THE CONVERSATION AT THE TIME, WHEN WE WERE SAYING, LEAVE IT ALONE, WE WERE BASICALLY SAYING, STAND SILENT ON THE ISSUE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO, UH, EITHER PROHIBIT IT OR SPECIFY REGULATIONS FOR IT.

THERE HADN'T BEEN REGULATIONS BEFORE THEN.

SO WE JUST SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, GIVE THAT ONE A PASS.

THERE WERE BIGGER ISSUES.

THE CONCERNS ON STAFF'S PART WERE SAFETY CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING DINING AREAS WITH PEOPLE GETTING UP AND DOWN, BACK AND FORTH RIGHT NEXT TO VEHICLES THAT ARE MOVING THROUGH A PARKING LOT.

THAT'S VALID.

BUT IN LOOKING AT OTHER CITIES ORDINANCES, WE WERE JUST NOT LAST FALL, UH, READY TO MICROMANAGE TO THE, OF HAVING THIS LONG LIST OF WHAT YOU HAD TO DO.

SO WE SAID, LEAVE IT ALONE.

WELL, THE PROBLEM IS LEAVE IT ALONE CAN BE INTERPRETED IN SEVERAL WAYS.

ONE OF THEM WAS, I THINK WHAT OUR COMMITTEE'S INTENTION WAS, WE DID NOT WANT TO BE COUNTING TABLES AND CHAIRS TO SAY, OH, YOU HAVE SIX CHAIRS AND YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO HAVE FOUR.

UM, SO WE, I BELIEVE IT WAS OUR INTENTION TO NEITHER PROHIBIT NOR MICROMANAGE ON-SITE DINING.

UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY BEING THE ONE WHO TAKES CARE OF US AND KEEPS US FROM BEING AMBIGUOUS.

UM, HE INTERPRETED THAT AS SAYING, LEAVE IT ALONE AS, AND WE DON'T EVEN WANT TO MESS WITH ONSITE DINING.

WE DON'T WANT IT AT ALL.

AND THAT'S HOW THE DRAFT CAME OUT.

SO HERE WE ARE.

UM, IT'S MOOT AT THIS POINT, SINCE WE ARE REVISITING ALL THESE DECISIONS ANYWAY, BUT, UM, MR. ENGLAND, DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING HERE? DID I COVER THAT EFFICIENTLY? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO PARDON ME, OF COURSE.

GO AHEAD, MR. UM, UM, BEN BETRAYED, YOU'VE DONE AN ELOQUENT JOB OF PUTTING IT OUT.

IT'S ALL IN A NUTSHELL CLARITY.

SO YOU YOU'VE READ, YOU'VE FILLED IN MY NOTES.

UM, OKAY.

CAN YOU PUSH YOUR MIC BUTTON PLEASE? DEPUTY MAN.

OH, HE IS.

OH, THERE WE GO.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? IT'S NOT REALLY, HUH? OKAY.

NO, YOU'LL HAVE TO REMEMBER WHAT THE DISCUSSION WITH HIM.

THE TEST.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

UH, YEAH, YOU'VE DONE.

YOU'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB OF THAT.

SO I WAS GONNA BRING US BACK TONIGHT, UM, AS A PART OF THE, WHAT WE CALL THE SASH MAKING THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT AND FOR THE BENEFITS OF, UH, GUESTS TONIGHT, UM, WE TOOK THIS TO COUNCIL AND, UH, WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT TO DEGREE IN WHAT MR. CITY TRYNA WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE W WILL REFLECT THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE COUNCIL.

AND, UH, I'M SURE THAT THIS WILL PROBABLY NOT BE THE LAST TIME, UH, WE'LL GET FEEDBACK.

AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT AND WHICH THE TWO CITY ATTORNEY WILL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT, UH, DISTRICT.

AND THEN MY SECOND POINT.

AND JUST TO, JUST TO SORT OF SECONDARY MAN, YOUR COMMENTS, UM, ABOUT THE MISINFORMATION THAT'S OUT THERE.

UM, I CERTAINLY, UM, UM, WANTED TO ECHO WHAT YOU SAID, SPEAKING FOR THE COMMITTEE.

IT IS CERTAINLY, UM, IT NEVER HAS BEEN, NEVER WILL BE THE INTENT OF MYSELF.

AND I THINK I CAN TAKE LIBERTIES TO SPEAK FOR THE REST OF OUR COMMITTEE TO, UH, DRIVE ANYBODY OUT OF BUSINESS.

UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GARLAND IS VERY WELL KNOWN FOR HAS A TRACK RECORD IS A STRONG COMMITMENT TO SMALL BUSINESSES IS PRETTY STRONG AND THE DATA SHOWS THAT AND, UH, AND OUR EFFORTS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN BECAUSE

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WE'VE GOT MORE SMALL BUSINESSES IN GARDEN.

UH, THEN WE HAVE, UH, THE BIG BOYS AS YOU CALLED IT.

SO WE'VE ALWAYS HAS HAD A HISTORY OF SUPPORTING SMALL BUSINESSES AND THAT WILL NOT, UH, DIMINISH AND MATTER OF FACT, SO OUR GOAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN FOR OUR SMALL BUSINESSES TO THRIVE.

AND THAT'S PART OF THE EFFORT OF THIS COMMITTEE TO COME UP WITH TOOLS, TO HELP SMALL BUSINESSES, WHETHER THEY ARE MOBILE OR BRICK AND MORTAR.

UH, UH, AND, UH, AS I SAID TO SOMEBODY JUST WALKING IN HERE, IT'S NOT A EITHER, OR IT'S A BOTH.

AND SO THAT'S THE COMMITMENT OF THIS COMMITTEE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO, UH, WHEN HE WROTE THAT MADAM CHAIR, UH, FOR A GUEST TONIGHT AS TO WHERE THIS COMMITTEE STANDS, DESPITE WHAT YOU MAY HEAR, OR YOU MAY SEE OUT THERE.

AND, AND I BELIEVE THAT EACH MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE IS ACCESSIBLE AND EACH ONE OF THE COUNCIL IS ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.

SO IF YOU'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS, SOME OF THEM HAVEN'T SOUND RIGHT, DOESN'T QUITE LOOK RIGHT, UH, CALL ONE OF US.

AND ALWAYS OUR ELOQUENT CITY ATTORNEY WILL ALWAYS TAKE YOUR PHONE CALLS.

I'M GOING TO VOLUNTEER HIM.

BUT I'M JUST SAYING, IF YOU HERE'S SOME INFORMATION AND SOME THINGS OUT THERE THAT JUST, JUST DON'T CLICK BLAME, RIGHT.

UH, YOU KNOW, GIVE US A CALL OR GIVE THE CITY ATTORNEY A CALL AND YOU CAN GET THE CORRECT INFORMATION.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT.

MADAM CHAIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM.

OKAY.

UM, SO THE ON-SITE DINING POINT WAS A POINT OF CONFUSION, WHICH I BELIEVE HAS NOW BEEN CORRECTED.

UM, AND I DO WANT TO SAY, BECAUSE THIS COMMITTEE CHOSE NOT TO SPEAK TO ON-SITE DINING AT THAT TIME.

AND SINCE IT'S NOW COME BACK FOR REVISITING, I DO WANT TO ADD THAT AT THIS POINT, UM, COUNCILMAN SMITH HAD MADE, UH, A SUGGESTION AT THE COUNCIL MEETING ABOUT RESTRICTING ANY ONSITE DINING TO THE, UM, FOOD TRUCK AREA NOTED ON A SITE PLAN, WHICH WAS PART OF OUR ORIGINAL PLAN WHERE, UM, THE SITE OWNER WOULD DESIGNATE CERTAIN AREAS THAT WERE PARKING SPACES, NOT REQUIRED BY OUR GDC AND SAY, THIS IS WHERE FOOD TRUCKS WILL GO.

AND JUST TO SAY, THAT'S WHERE FOOD TRUCKS AND ONSITE DINING WILL GO THE END.

UH, I, I AM ASSUMING LOOKING AT MY, UH, FELLOW COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT WE ARE STILL NOT IN FAVOR OF BEING TABLE CHAIR, POLICE.

OKAY.

SO WHAT I THOUGHT.

OKAY.

SO AT THIS POINT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UH, MR. ENGLAND TO QUICKLY GO OVER THE CORRECTED DRAFT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

SURE.

UM, I'M NOT SURE THIS IS THE CORRECTED DRAFT, BUT THIS IS THE DRAFT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO, AND I'LL TRY TO POINT OUT SOME OF THE PROBLEMATIC, UM, UH, AT LEAST WHAT WAS INDICATED BY THE WHOLE COUNCIL AS BEING PROBLEMATIC PROVISIONS.

OKAY.

UM, THE FIRST ONE OF COURSE IS JUST THE, UM, OPERATIVE PROVISION.

A PERSON MAY NOT CAUSE ALLOW OR SUFFER THE OPERATION OF A MO MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF EXCEPTIONS IN THERE.

AND ONE OF THOSE IS THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CEO.

UM, AND, UM, THE DEFENSE PROSECUTION IS THAT IF THEY DON'T HAVE A CEO, THEY CAN OPERATE SUCH A, UM, A VEHICLE, UH, WITH A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.

UM, AND SO THAT ALLOWS FOR WEEKEND ACTIVITIES FOR A CHURCH.

WHO'S NOT WANTING TO PERMANENTLY HAVE A MOBILE FOOD TRUCK VEHICLE ON THEIR PROPERTY, BUT THEY WANT TO HAVE AN EVENT AND THEY WANT TO BRING IN, UM, UH, MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES.

THEN THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT.

THERE WASN'T A, THERE WASN'T, THERE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE AT COUNCIL, MUCH DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY ISSUE.

UM, THE SECOND ONE IS PUBLIC PROPERTY.

WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN SOMEONE WANTS TO OPERATE A MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE AND PUBLIC PROPERTY? UM, AND THIS TOO ALSO DIDN'T RECEIVE A LOT OF FEEDBACK ON COUNCIL, UH, WITH COUNCIL, BASICALLY THE, THE PROVISION STATES THAT AS LONG AS THE GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY, WHETHER THAT BE THE CITY COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHATEVER IT MAY BE STATE, UM, AS LONG AS THEY GIVE WRITTEN PERMISSION, WHETHER THAT BE IN THE FORM OF A PERMIT OR JUST A LETTER, THEN YOU CAN OPERATE A MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY AS A GENERAL MATTER.

AND OF COURSE THE THIRD IS JUST THE WRITTEN AUTHORIZATION, UH, MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE.

AND THIS IS CURRENTLY IN THE ORDINANCE.

THIS ISN'T A CHANGE IN ORDER TO OPERATE A MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE WRITTEN PERMISSION FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE AUTHORIZED AGENT.

SO THE MANAGER OF THE LOCATION COULD GIVE, UM, UM, PERMISSION.

AND OF COURSE YOU ALREADY DISCUSSED ONSITE DINING.

UM, THAT WAS PROBABLY MORE, MORE MY FAULT THEN WHAT THE CHAIR LADY SUGGESTED.

UM, UM, I I'LL PROBABLY JUST LEFT IT IN THERE AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH DRAFTS AND IT JUST SURVIVED A DRAFT, WHICH OFTEN DOES AS YOU'RE DRAFTING THESE THINGS.

SO THAT'S MORE MY FAULT THAN PROBABLY SHE EVEN POINTED OUT.

WHAT

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I'M NOT CLEAR ABOUT NOW IS THOUGH WHEN YOU SAY WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT ALONE, DOES THAT INCLUDE COUNCIL MEMBER? UM, UH, SMITH'S SUGGESTION ABOUT DESIGNATING IT ON AREAS.

SO IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE DINING AREAS, DOES IT NEED TO BE ON A SITE PLAN? WE NEED TO SPEAK, I MEAN, THE, UH, THANK YOU.

UM, I THINK I HAD HAD JUST ADDED THAT IN AS A, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THE PATH OF THE SITE PLAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO START TALKING ABOUT RESTROOMS, THEN YES, GO AHEAD AND DESIGNATE YOUR DINING AREAS.

UH, IN GENERAL, UH, YOU KNOW, MY, MY FEELING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN GUARANTEE FLEXIBILITY ON A SITE FOR HANDLING, UH, SPECIAL EVENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, AND THEN WE SHOULD, SHOULD TRY AND MAXIMIZE FLEXIBILITY.

SO, UM, I THINK MY IDEA WAS JUST COUPLED WITH, HEY, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THIS ONE PATH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND ADD THIS OTHER PIECE IN AND GET IT ALL DONE AT ONCE.

OTHERWISE I'M HAPPY TO KEEP HANDS OFF OF THAT AS A RULE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBERS THEN, UH, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEAK TO THIS REAL TIME AS WE GO, UM, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE ABOUT SIMPLY SAYING THAT WHEN, IF A PROPERTY OWNER DESIGNATES A, AN, UH, ON AN AMENDED CEO OR A CEO FOR A SHARED PARKING LOT, DESIGNATES AN AREA FOR FOOD TRUCK USE THAT WE SAY THAT WOULD BE FOR FOOD TRUCK USE AND ANY ONSITE DINING THAT THEY DESIRE? IS THAT YOUR PLEASURE? COUNCILMAN VERA.

OKAY.

AGREED.

JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.

UM, SO I DON'T MESS THIS UP AGAIN.

UM, SO IN THE ONSITE DINING, IT'S GOING TO BE AN ELECTION OF THE MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE OWNER.

HE DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE ONSITE DINING, BUT IF HE CHOOSES TO THAT, HE NEEDS TO BE AT A LOCATION THAT HAS BEEN DESIGNATED WITH A SITE PLAN, UM, UM, WHERE IT MARK, WHERE IT'S, WHERE IT STATES THAT THIS IS A DINING AREA ON THE SITE PLAN, FOOD TRACK SLASH DINING AREA.

OKAY.

GOT IT.

AND WHEN WE GET TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT ONSITE BATHROOMS, WE'LL TIE INTO THIS ALSO, UM, JUST AN IDEA THAT WAS SHARED WITH ME BY, UM, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH.

AND I'LL ACTUALLY LET HIM DISCUSS THAT AT THAT TIME.

NUMBER FIVE WAS RECORD RETENTION, AND THIS IS A PROVISION THAT'S ACTUALLY COMING OUT STRAIGHT OUT OF STATE LAW.

IT'S, UM, IT'S PART OF THE, UM, TEXAS FOOD ESTABLISH ESTABLISHMENT RULES.

AND IT'S CURRENTLY IN OUR ORDINANCE AS IT SITS.

SO IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL AMENDMENT TO OUR ORDINANCE.

IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN INCLUDED AS WE CONTINUE FOR HIM.

THIS IS, CAUSE SOMEBODY ASKED LAST AT COUNCIL ASKS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE NORMALLY ASK FOR, UM, IN OTHER CONTEXTS? AND IT ISN'T SOME IN OTHER CONTEXTS, BUT SPECIFICALLY THIS IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, THAT'S IN THE TEXAS FOOD ESTABLISHMENT RULES.

AND, UM, WE JUST PULL IT OVER FROM THERE AND INCORPORATE INCORPORATED INTO OUR ORDINANCE.

YEAH.

OKAY.

UM, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE IF IT'S OKAY TO HAVE, UM, MR. BARKER HAS A MATRIX, SO I WASN'T ACTUALLY THINKING WE WERE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS MAKING DECISIONS REAL TIME WHEN YOU SHARED, BUT SO I CAN JUST GO THROUGH IT AND THEN LET, Y'ALL GO INTO THE POLICY DECISIONS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A, A MATRIX AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET PUBLIC INPUT, BETTER IDEA.

OKAY.

LET'S JUST DO THAT.

OKAY.

AND THEN THE, AS ORDINANCE, AS WRITTEN, AS WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL, YOU HAVE THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND THAT'S FROM SEVEN TO 11 AND THEN NUMBER SEVEN WAS THE CEO AND IT CREATED SOME CONTROVERSY WITH COUNCIL.

UM, UM, THE POLICY DECISION NEEDS TO BE, DO WE WANT TO REQUIRE A CEO FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ALLOW THESE MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES AND THE IDEA BEHIND IT WAS IT, IT HELPS OUR HEALTH OFFICIALS TO GO TO SITES AND KNOW WHERE THESE MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES ARE LOCATED.

AND THEY MAY NOT KNOW WHICH MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES THERE, BUT THEY KNOW THAT THESE SITES HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

AND SO IF THEY DRIVE BY A SITE THAT THEY KNOW THAT'S NOT APPROVED AND THEY SEE THEM LOCATED ONSITE, THEN THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S POTENTIALLY AN ISSUE THERE AND IT COULD BE A HEALTH ISSUE.

AND SO THE IDEA WAS IT WAS GOING TO HELP WITH ENFORCEMENT.

IT WOULD HELP WITH THE CITY KEEPING BETTER TRACK OF WHERE THESE ARE LOCATED.

AND IT ALSO HELPS MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT LOCATED AT INTERSECTIONS OR AT CORNERS OR AT PREMISES THAT MAY BE DANGEROUS OR CREATE A TRAFFIC HAZARD.

SO THAT WAS THE, THE POLICY, UM, UM, DECISION BEHIND THE CEO.

AND THEN AS A PART OF THE CEO PROCESS, THERE WERE SEVERAL FACTORS.

THERE WERE SEVERAL REQUIREMENTS.

ONE IS, UM, THAT IT HAD TO BE A SECONDARY USE UNLESS IT WAS EXPRESSLY AUTHORIZED BY THE GDC.

AND THAT'S THE DISCUSSION THAT THE COUNCIL AND A COMMITTEE, I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH COMMITTEE IT MIGHT'VE BEEN, THIS THAT, THAT, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE CONCERNING.

DO WE WANT TO AMEND

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THE GEC TO ALLOW IT FOR MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE, UM, PARKS OR, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL THEM? NOT FORUMS BUT PARKS OR, UM, COURTS.

LIKE YOU, THAT'S THE WORD I WAS THINKING THEM ALL COURT YET, OR, OR COURTS.

AND, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL CAN DECIDE AS A ZONING MATTER.

AND THEN OF COURSE THE SITE PLAN OR THE CEO WOULD ALSO REQUIRE SITE SITE PLAN FROM THE OWNER OR LESSER OF THE PREMISES AND THE DESIGNATED, UM, UM, UM, LOCATION OR THE MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE MAY NOT RESULT IN A, UM, IN THE REQUIRED PARKING OF THE GDC TO FALL UNDER MINIMUMS. AND OF COURSE, UM, THIS KIND OF THIS COMMITTEE AND, UH, DETERMINED THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO MORE THAN FIVE AREAS DESIGNATED ON THE PREMISES FOR THEM.

AND THEN THAT ALSO THAT THE MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE MUST BE WITHIN 500 FEET OF AN OPEN, PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE PERMANENT RESTROOM.

AND, UM, IN MY RESEARCH SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, I DID FIND THAT UNDER STATE LAW FOR, FOR PLACES LIKE, UM, BURGER STREET OR SCOOTERS OR DRIVE THROUGH ONLY, IT REQUIRES RESTROOMS FOR EMPLOYEES, BUT IT DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE RESTROOMS. AND SO ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT COUNCILMAN SMITH, UM, BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION WAS, WELL, IF THEY ELECT TO HAVE A ON-SITE DINING AREA, THEN WE SHOULD REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE RESTROOM.

BUT IF THEY DON'T HAVE AN ONSITE DINING AREA, THEN THERE IS NO THAT SHOULDN'T BE A REQUIREMENT FOR A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE RESTROOM.

AND NOW IF I MISSPOKE ON YOUR BEHALF THERE COUNCILMAN SMITH, THEN YOU MAY CORRECT ME.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS, IS A MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE MAY NOT OPERATE WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE FRONT DOOR OF A BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANT, EXCEPT WITH WRITTEN AUTHORIZATION FROM THE OWNER OR MANAGER OF THE RESTAURANT.

AND THAT'S THE BASIC OUTLINE OF THE REGULATION THAT THIS COMMITTEE HAD VOTED OUT IN IT.

AND TO THE GENERAL COUNCIL.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

COMMITTEE, ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THIS? I HAVE ONE, BUT UNTIL AFTER PUBLIC.

OKAY.

MR. BEAR, I WANT IT TO HEAR JEFF BACKS.

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR? I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR PITS.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT 200 FEET? OH, FROM BRICK AND MORTAR.

YEAH.

I THINK 200.

FEET'S A FAIR NUMBER.

AND WHAT I WAS INTERESTED IN IS THE MATRIX, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO GO, I'D LIKE TO GO, I'D LIKE TO GO OVER THIS BEFORE HAVING A DISCUSSION.

YEAH.

BUT THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

OKAY.

UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY.

AND, UM, MR. BARKER, IF YOU CAN COME AND, UM, DO WE, DID I DID, I GUESS I'LL GET A COPY OF THE, DID EVERYBODY HAVE A COPY OF THIS COPY OF THAT? YOU DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THAT.

OKAY.

YOU DON'T HAVE THAT.

HERE COMES ONE.

IT'LL BE ON THE SCREEN, BUT THANK YOU.

AND THIS IS A MATRIX, UM, THAT MR. BARKER WILL BE DISPLAYING AND THAT WE HAVE IN PRINTED FORM.

THIS IS A MATRIX, UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE, UM, THE COMMITTEE USED AS WE WALKED THROUGH SOME OF THESE INITIAL, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS LAST FALL.

AND THERE IT IS, BOY, THERE WE GO.

OKAY.

WHAT'S PROBABLY EASIER TO EVEN READ ON THE PAPER THEN, THEN THAT, UM, AND MR. BARKER, I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA MAKE YOU READ DOWN THAT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY OVER OVERALL COMMENTS BEFORE WE ENGAGE SOME GUESTS THAT WE ASKED TO COME? YES.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IS, UM, IN OUR REVIEW OF THIS, UH, IN GETTING FEEDBACK FROM OTHER CITIES AND ALSO, UM, VIA EMAIL AND ALSO THROUGH PHONE CALLS, UH, ONE OF THE, I GUESS GRAY AREAS WAS THE ONSITE DINING AND WHETHER THAT WAS ALLOWED OR NOT.

AND WE NEVER REALLY COULD FIND THAT IT WAS NOT ALLOWED, BUT IT ALWAYS CAME INTO PLAY WITH THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

SO IF I, IF I, UH, PROPERTY OWNER HAD ENOUGH PARKING THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR ONSITE DINING, THEN IT WAS OKAY.

PRETTY MUCH.

SO IF THAT, IF THAT HELPS WITH THAT SITUATION.

SO, UH, BUT, UH, NOT TO REPEAT, WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED,

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BUT AGAIN, UM, THE MATRIX WE PRESENTED THE FIRST TIME WAS MORE OF A GENERALIZED MATRIX.

UM, THIS COPY HERE GOES INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE, UM, UH, SPECIFIC AREAS OF CONCERN, LIKE ADDITIONAL PERMITTING, UH, THE DISTANCE WITHIN RESTROOMS, THE DISTANCE FROM THE BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANTS.

UM, AND THEN AGAIN, THE ONSITE DINING AND SOME OF THE, UM, UH, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS ALLOWED.

BUT, BUT I WILL CERTAINLY ANSWER, TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE COMMITTEE DID ANY OF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

UM, RICK, IF YOU CAN JUST, OH, THERE YOU GO.

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, WILLIAM, RICK, CAN YOU BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT THE, THE, AND FOR SPENT EARLY, WE TALK, THE ENFORCEMENT PIECE IS ONE OF YOUR INSPECTORS ARE PASSING BY HOW, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN TIED TO THE CEO, YOU KNOW, WHO'S PERMANENT.

UM, WOULD YOU TALK, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE, PARTICULARLY FOR OUR GUESTS THAT ARE HERE? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? YEAH, YES.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE WORKING VERY, UH, HAND IN HAND WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND ALSO THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT, UH, AS A THREE-PRONGED APPROACH, BASICALLY, UH, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY HAS A LISTING OF ALL THE PERMITTED FOOD TRUCKS THAT ARE IN OUR CITY THAT ARE PERMITTED, UM, WITH AN ACTUAL, UM, UH, LOCATION OF, OF WHERE THEY NORMALLY WOULD BE, UM, UH, IN REVIEWING THEIR DATABASE.

IT'S GOT A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION OF CONTACT INFORMATION OF WHO'S, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE UNITS AND, AND, UM, WHERE THEY'RE BASED OUT OF THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A HOME BASE TO GO BACK TO, UH, EACH DAY.

UH, SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD MONITOR THAT, UM, THAT DATABASE FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND THEN ALSO, UH, MONITOR THE BUILDING INSPECTION DATABASE, AS FAR AS IF, IF THIS WERE TO BE PASSED AS, AS POTENTIALLY WRITTEN, UH, REQUIRING AN AMENDMENT TO A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY WITH THE SITE PLAN.

UH, WE WOULD ACTUALLY REVIEW THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THE, THAT THE MOBILE FOOD UNIT IS, IS ONSITE WHERE THEY'RE, WHERE THEY SHOULD BE, UH, THAT, THAT THEY'RE OPERATING IN A SAFE MANNER, UH, FROM THE PARKING PERSPECTIVE, UH, FROM THE ONSITE DINING, IF IT'S, IF IT'S OCCURRING.

UM, AND WE WOULD JUST MONITOR ALL THOSE, UH, TYPICALLY, UH, YOU COULD MIRROR THIS AS, AS HOW WE HANDLE A SPECIFIC USE, UH, SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS.

UH, WE CURRENTLY, UH, SOMETIMES WE'LL GET A COMPLAINT ABOUT, UM, THE VAN OCCURRING, UM, AND WE'LL GO OUT TO THE SITE.

WE'LL VERIFY NUMBER ONE, IF THEY HAVE A, HAVE A PERMIT TO BE THERE, UH, AND THEN THEN MONITOR AND INVESTIGATE AND ASSESS IF THEY ARE, UH, OPERATING WITHIN THEIR, UH, SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.

THANK YOU.

MA'AM THANK YOU COMMITTEE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

UM, MR. BARKER, THEN I AM GOING TO, UM, SAY THANK YOU FOR NOW.

WE MAY CALL YOU BACK UP HERE AGAIN, BUT I WANTED TO, UM, I WANTED TO, ACTUALLY, I WANNA, I WANNA, UH, PUT IN JUST, UH, AN ADDENDUM TO WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WITH THE AMENDED CEO'S.

UM, I SPENT TIME THIS, THIS LAST WEEK TRACKING DOWN SOME COSTS AND ALSO TALKING TO PROPERTY OWNERS, BECAUSE WITH OUR, WITH OUR AMENDED CEO REQUIREMENT, A SINGLE, A SINGLE PROPERTY THAT HAS A PARKING LOT AND A SINK, AN OWNER OF A SINGLE PROPERTY, UM, THEY CAN AMEND THEIR CEO AND IT COSTS, IT'S A ONE-TIME AMENDMENT.

IT COSTS $45 AND YOU'RE DONE, AND THAT'S THE PROPERTY OWNER, NOT THE FOOD TRUCK OPERATOR, IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE LIKE AT KELLY SAIGON MALL.

SO I SPENT THIS WEEKEND, I HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WITH THE OWNER OF KELLY SAIGON MALL, THE SITE.

UM, AND SO WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING THERE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS THIS COMMITTEE TRIED NOT TO STEP ON IN ANY WAY.

UM, THE, THE PARKING LOT DOESN'T HAVE A CEO, EACH INDIVIDUAL STORE HAS A CEO, BUT THE PARKING LOT DOESN'T.

SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE OWNER, THE SITE OWNER TO GET A CEO FOR THE FIRST TIME ACTUALLY COVERING THE PARKING LOT.

AND SO I CHECKED INTO THAT THAT'S A ONE-TIME COST OF $260.

THE OWNER OF KELLY SAIGON MALL LAUGHED, UM, AND SAID, NO PROBLEM.

UM, SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE OUR TWO DIFFERENT, UM, CIRCUMSTANCES.

SO WITH, WITH SHOPPING CENTERS, THE SHARED PARKING, IT WOULD BE THE SITE OWNER WHO WOULD NEED TO DO

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THAT.

AND THE COMMITTEE FELT LIKE THAT WAS MORE APPROPRIATE TO PUT, AND THAT'S A, ONE-TIME PRETTY SMALL COST.

WE FELT IT WAS A MORE APPROPRIATE TO PUT THAT COST ON THE PROPERTY SITE OWNER WHO ACTUALLY, UM, UNLESS WE HAVE REALLY GENEROUS BUSINESSES OUT THERE, THEY ARE BENEFITING FINANCIALLY FROM THE FOOD TRUCKS OPERATING ON THEIR PROPERTY.

SO THAT MADE SENSE TO US TO HAVE THE SITE PLAN AND THE CEO AMENDMENT, OR A NEW CEO THAT REC THAT REQUIRED, UM, DETERMINING GDC REQUIRED SPACES, SPACES IN EXCESS OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND A SPECIFIC NOTATION OF WHERE FOOD, TRUCK ACTIVITIES, AND NOW DINING COULD TAKE PLACE.

I THINK I'VE BEEN THERE.

UM, SO, UH, ONE OTHER THING, AND THIS, I JUST WANT TO THROW THIS OUT THERE FOR, FOR YOU ALL TO BE CONSIDERING, UM, REGARDING PLACES LIKE BURGER STREET AND SCOOTERS, UM, AND, AND BATHROOMS, THE THING I WOULD SAY IS DRIVE-THROUGHS ARE DIFFERENT THAN NOT DRIVE THROUGHS.

SO AT THE POINT THAT PEOPLE GET OUT OF THEIR CARS AND GO AND GET FOOD, THEY ARE OUT OF THEIR CARS.

I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF SAYING, UH, OF LINKING ON-SITE DINING TO THE REQUIREMENT FOR BATHROOMS. IT'S DIFFERENT IF YOU'RE IN THE CAR AND YOU NEVER LEAVE THE CAR, MY OPINION, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.

UM, FOR NOW I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, AT THIS POINT, UM, BRING TWO OF OUR FOOD TRUCK OPERATORS FORWARD TO, UH, SO WE CAN CONSULT AND GUYS, THESE ARE, UM, AND THIS IS ANGEL AND SANDRA, IF YOU WOULD NOT MIND, WOULD YOU LET THEM HAVE A SPACE THERE? OKAY.

UM, THESE ARE ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T ALREADY KNOW THEM.

THESE ARE TWO OF OUR ROCK STAR, UH, FOOD TRUCK OPERATORS IN GARLAND.

UM, SANDRA IS, UH, THE OWNER OF TACO TRAUMA AND ANGEL IS THE OWNER OF FIRE FOR THE LORD.

I CHECKED ALREADY.

THEY DID NOT BRING US FOOD.

UM, IF YOU ALL WOULD NOT MIND HAVING A SEAT.

UM, SO, SO THAT'S A MARK AGAINST THEM JUST TO START WITH, HOWEVER, UM, I WANTED THE COMMITTEE TO BE ABLE TO, FIRST OF ALL, WE WANTED TO SOLICIT NOW THAT YOU'VE KIND OF HEARD WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH, UM, AND MAYBE HAD A FEW MINUTES TO DIGEST IT AND TO LOOK AT THIS, UM, I WANTED TO THROW OUT TWO QUESTIONS AND THEN FROM THAT SPIN ON WITH ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THE COMMITTEE MIGHT HAVE.

SO, UM, YOUR BIGGEST CONCERNS AND THE MOST DIFFICULT CITIES FOR YOU TO OPERATE IN, IN OUR GENERAL AREA, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE TWO QUESTIONS I HAVE.

SO YOUR BIGGEST CONCERN ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TALKING FOOD, TRUCK COURTS.

THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE IN A DIFFERENT COMMITTEE AND WE'RE NOT TALKING CATERING TRUCKS.

SO WHAT YOU HEARD RIGHT HERE, UM, WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU ARE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT OR FEEL MIGHT IMPACT YOUR BUSINESS IN GARLAND? UM, OH, I'M SORRY.

YES.

UM, I BELIEVE THOSE ARE, YES.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UM, PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAMES AND YOUR ADDRESSES FOR THE RECORD.

OKAY.

MY NAME IS SANDRA CASTILLO.

I'M THE OWNER OF .

UM, I USUALLY PARK AT HELLO, CARWASH OFF A SHILOH IN GARLAND, WHICH IS SORT OF A BAD SPOT BECAUSE OF ALL THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING ON.

UM, BUT LISTENING TO, OH, WELL, I'LL LET HIM INTRODUCE HIMSELF AND THEN I'LL CONTINUE.

NO, GO AHEAD.

INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

AND THEN, SO, UM, GOING BACK TO THE DRAFT, THAT WAS EMAILED TO ME, UM, I UNDERSTOOD A LITTLE BIT, UM, OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO DO.

UM, I DON'T FEEL THAT I HAVE, UM, ANY CONCERNS, UM, FROM WHAT I READ IS MORE OF THE CODE COMPLIANCE INSPECTIONS, UM, PERMITS, UM, SANITATION.

I GET THAT.

I COME FROM THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS.

I USED TO OWN A RESTAURANT IN BRALETTE SO I CAN SEE BOTH SIDES.

UM, WHAT DOES CONCERN ME MORE IS WHEN YOUR, UM, TALKING ABOUT MORE PERMITS? OKAY.

ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL PERMITS TO THE $500 FEE? WE ALREADY PAY A YEAR, THE CEO, THE, WHY DO WE NEED A CEO? YOU KNOW, UM, THAT DOES CONCERN ME.

ARE YOU GOING TO GO DOWN ON THE PERMIT AMOUNT TO PAY A CEO OR JUST ANY ADDITIONAL PERMITS? UM, SANITATION? I

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DON'T THINK IT WOULD CONCERN, UM, JUST ME PERSONALLY, MY BUSINESS, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ONSITE DINING.

I UNDERSTAND IF YOU HAD ONSITE DINING, YES.

YOU WANT SOMEBODY TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A RESTROOM AVAILABLE TO WASH THEIR HANDS AND WHATSO.

UM, WE'RE JUST A, TO GO WHERE TO GO PEE PEOPLE, PICK UP THEIR FOOD AND THEY'D GO.

UM, BUT WHERE I DO PARK, THERE ARE BATHROOMS. THERE'S A PLACE TO SIT AND EAT IF THEY WANT TO.

THEY, UH, PROVIDE THE, UM, THE LITTLE PICNIC TABLE THEY HAVE THERE.

UM, WHAT ELSE? UM, OH, THE PARKING OF 200 FEET FROM A BRICK AND MORTAL.

UM, I DON'T THINK I PARK I'VE EVER PARKED IN FRONT OF A RESTAURANT REALLY.

UM, BUT, UH, THAT I DON'T THINK WOULD CONCERN ME EITHER.

UM, I THINK THAT'S IT.

OH, AND THE WRITTEN, UM, PERMISSION FROM WHERE ON PARKING.

I HAVE THAT, SO I, I, THEN I GET IT.

I GET ALL THIS, SO I DON'T KNOW, ANGEL.

OKAY.

SO MS. DEBRA, UM, LIKE SANDRA SAID, I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, ISSUES, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR US.

SO I'M GOING TO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS.

UM, DO YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT IT COSTS TO HAVE OUR OWN FOOD TRUCK? YOU GUYS HAVE AN IDEA WITH ONE CAUSE MR. $200, 200,000, 200,000.

THAT'S INCORRECT.

OKAY.

WHAT IS IT? AH, THE ONE THAT I COULD CAUSE I CURRENTLY OWN TWO AND THEY'RE BOTH PERMANENT.

UH, ONE CAUSED ME A LITTLE BIT OVER 30 AND IT WASN'T THE COST DATA BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET AS APPLIED.

SO I BOUGHT EVERYTHING KNOW SEPARATE.

UH, THE OTHER ONE COSTS ME ABOUT 18.

SO ALTOGETHER WE GOT ABOUT $60,000 WORTH OF EQUIPMENT.

SO, UM, BEING SAID, UH, EVERY DAY WE USE EQUIPMENT TO DO OUR DAILY DUTIES AND OUR DAILY JOBS AND THESE ASSESSMENTS COSTS AS WELL.

AND LIKE THE INSPECTOR SAID EARLIER, WHEN WE GO TO THE CITY GARDEN, WE'LL HAVE TO COMPLY.

AND SO THERE'S A $500 FEE AND A FEE IT'S, UM, KITCHEN PREP.

YOU GET A LETTER FROM YOUR KITCHEN PREP.

UH, YOU NEED A LETTER WITH THE PROPERTY SIGN DATE EVERY YEAR.

IT'S JUST LIKE A CAR.

YOU RENEW YOUR TAC, YOU HAVE ANY FOOD TECH.

UM, I BEEN UP IN, UM, PERMITTED FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS AND I'M GOING TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF HOW I STARTED FIGHTING FOR THE NORTH.

CAUSE I THINK IS SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT.

YOU GUYS, BECAUSE YOU GUYS WERE DISCUSSING IT EARLIER.

I FOUND HER FIRE FOR THE LORD IN 2016 AND I STARTED WITH A LITTLE BITTY SMOKER, JUST LIKE YOU GUYS SEE IN THE STREET, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE A TABLE, THEY DON'T HAVE A ROOFTOP, BUT THEY HAVE A TRAIN.

MY DREAM IS TO SUPPLY FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND, YOU KNOW, TRY TO MAKE IT SOME PEOPLE DON'T, SOME PEOPLE DO, BUT I'M ONE OF THEM THAT MADE IT, UH, WITH THE GLORY FOR THAT.

AND UM, IT TOOK ME FIVE YEARS, NOT 50 YEAR.

I GOT A TICKET FROM GUARDING A THOUSAND DOLLARS.

I WAS ON 60 TO FIVE IN CENTERVILLE.

UM, MY FIRE FOR THE LORD, HIS MISSION IS TO FEED THE WIDOWS THE LESS FORTUNATE AND THE HUNGRY AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY MISSION BEFORE ANYTHING.

SO FIRE FOR THE LORD IS A MINISTRY.

FORD'S A BUSINESS.

SO A CORPORATE COMPLIANCE OFFICER CAME TO MY SITE BECAUSE, UH, UH, LATER ON I FOUND OUT WHAT IT WAS, IT WAS WENDY'S.

SO I'M RIGHT THERE, RIGHT UP BETWEEN MCDONALD'S AND WENDY'S SO RIGHT ACROSS FROM MY FITNESS.

AND, UM, THE FOOD WAS PRETTY, PRETTY ROUGH.

HE INTIMIDATED ME, HE THREW UP A TRASH BAG AT ME AND SAID, THROW EVERYTHING AWAY.

AND I'VE NEVER BEEN APPROACHED BY ONE.

YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME.

SO I GOT DISCOURAGED, I GOT HURT AND MY DREAM WAS DESTROYED.

SO I FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WOW, FIVE YEARS, EVEN ON FIVE YEARS, I DID GROW AS WELL.

SO, YOU KNOW, I WAS NEVER STUCK TO GOD BE THE GLORY, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, AT THAT TIME I FINALLY SAID, I WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

SO, UM, I PURCHASED BRING YOUR TRAILER CALLED COMPLIANCE READY.

AND WHEN WE SAY CODE COMPLIANCE, READY, UH, FOOD TRUCKS REQUIRE A BOYER.

HOW WATER COLD WATER, UH, FOR COMPARTMENT SINK.

IT'S A NECESSITY, A REQUIREMENT.

UH, THE TRUCK THAT I GOT AS A CENTRAL AC AS A

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CONCESSION WINDOW, IT'S A POOR TRAILER.

SO IT'S AN EIGHT BY 20.

SO IT'S ABOUT HALF THE SIZE OF THE ROOM.

GIVE OR TAKE.

SO IT'S PRETTY BIG.

AND THEN YOU ADD THE SMOKER AND THE REAR.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, EXPENSES THAT TAKE PLACE.

SO, UM, I WENT TO COURT, THEY WILL FIND PAYMENT DOBIES AND EVERYTHING.

AND HERE I AM NOW, UH, LIKE I SAID, I CURRENTLY OWN TWO TRAILERS.

WE HAVE ABOUT ALMOST 12,000 FOLLOWERS.

UH, WE'VE BEEN ON THE NEWS.

WE'VE BEEN ON NATIONAL TV.

WE'RE RECOGNIZED BECAUSE, UM, WHEN I POST MY HEART IS FOR THE COMMUNITY AND I JUST GOING WHEREVER I GO, IF HE HAS A FUN, STEVE, YOU'RE GOING TO, AND I FEEL LIKE THAT, UM, FIRE FOR THE LORD IS KNOWN FOR THEIR MINISTRY.

AND ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO, WE'RE FED THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT OF CITY.

I CALLED THE POLICE.

SO WE DO A LOT OF CHARITY WORK.

SO I KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO START FROM THE BOTTOM AND TO BE ON TOP.

YOU KNOW? SO I HAD QUESTIONS FOR ME.

YES.

I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU.

UM, HOW LONG AGO WAS THIS HAPPENED TO YOU ON CODE ENFORCEMENT? IT'D BE YEARS AGO.

FOR FIVE YEARS.

AND WHEN I SAY BOULAY BARBECUE, IT'S A TRAILER.

NO, NO, NO.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CODING ENFORCEMENT PERSON FROM YOUR TICKET TWO YEARS AGO.

THEY REAL BAD TO YOU.

YES.

WITH THE BAG AT ME.

AND HE SAY, THROW EVERYTHING AWAY.

HE DIDN'T EXPLAIN.

CAUSE I WAS PRETTY MUCH NOTORIOUS WHEN I SAY IT WAS NOTORIOUS.

I MEAN, I WAS FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS TO CARLIN BECAUSE LIKE MS. DEBRA SAID, WE HAVE TO MAKE A LIVELIHOOD.

WE HAVE TO MAKE ENDS MEET.

AND I'M LIKE I SAID, AND I DIDN'T RETALIATE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM BECAUSE I JUST SAID, OKAY, I WANT TO COMPLY.

YOU KNOW, BUT I SUPPOSE THE WAY HE'S DONE IT HAS TO TOMORROW THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, BUT I STAYED HUMBLE AND DID WHAT HE TOLD ME TO DO.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM AND GET YOU, IT'S CONFUSING ME BECAUSE IT'S GOT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE THE TRANS, HE IS BJ WILLIAMS RIGHT NOW.

JUST SEE YOU, THE FOLLOW-UP ON, UH, UH, MISS SANDRA, ANDREA.

YEAH, I'M GOING TO SIT ANDREA, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO MISPRONOUNCE YOU, ANDREA.

UM, YOU MENTIONED YOU REFERENCED THE FEE STRUCTURE AND YOUR COMMENT EARLIER, THE PERMIT AND ALL OF THAT.

WHAT DO YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR SUGGEST THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO US PERHAPS MOVING FORWARD, TAKE A LOOK AT AND, AND, AND WHAT IMPACT, UM, AS RELATES TO YOUR BUSINESS? IT'S NOT, NOT ONLY YOU PERSONALLY, BUT YOUR INDUSTRY IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

I THINK THAT, UM, WITH ALL THESE OTHER ADDITIONAL FEES THAT, UM, WANT TO COME THROUGH, I THINK THAT MAY BE FOR THE HEALTH PERMITS, $500.

UM, I HAVE A PERMIT IN COLLIN COUNTY AS WELL.

I ONLY PAY ONE 50 THERE FOR THE WHOLE YEAR.

GARLAND IS 500.

UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.

UM, IF WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO GET ANY OTHER PERMITS, IS THAT FEE GOING TO GO DOWN OR NO OTHER PERMITS FOR NO, LIKE A CEO, LIKE, ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BECAUSE, OKAY.

OKAY.

THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL PERMITS OR REQUIREMENTS FOR YOU.

AND I JUST UNDERSTOOD LIKE FOR A PRIVATE PARK PROPERTY WHERE I'M BASED OFF OF HELLO CARWASH, I WOULD HAVE TO GET A CEO OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THAT WOULD BE THE OWNER.

THE OWNER WOULD HAVE THE OWNER OF HELLO CARWASH AND IT WOULD BE A ONE-TIME AMENDMENT ON THEIR PART.

AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE $45 ONE TIME FOR THEM.

OKAY.

SO THE TWO 60 THAT YOU SAID WAS FOR LIKE SHOPPING CENTERS, THAT WOULD BE FOR COMMERCIAL.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THERE, THERE ARE NO OTHER FEE REQUIREMENTS FOR YOU.

OKAY.

SO THAT'S WHERE I MISUNDERSTOOD.

OKAY.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON THAT I WANTED TO FOLLOW ROPE WITH, WITH THAT, WITH THAT QUESTION.

UH, MY SECOND QUESTION IS, UM, YOU BOTH ARE A MODEL.

UM, AND I WAS KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIDS IN SCHOOLS, CERTAIN FOLKS WILL ALWAYS HAVE THE HOMEWORKS AND THEN CHALLENGING STUDENT, LIKE MAN, COUNCILMAN SMITH HERE, HE HAD TO PUSH US, UM, UH, AND COMPLIANCE.

HOW DO YOU THINK THOSE THAT, THAT, UH, UH, NOT IN COMPLIANCE, THOSE THAT COMPETE FOR YOU AGAINST YOUR, YOUR BUSINESSES? WHAT ARE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS OF THINGS THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDERED FOR THOSE FOLKS

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WHO, I MEAN, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU DO ALL THE, YOU CROSS ALL THE EYES THAT ALL THE TEETH YOU DO, WHAT THE CITY REQUIRES YOU TO DO.

AND, UM, AND NOT ONLY IN GARNER, BUT WHEREVER YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU MOVED TO WHETHER YOU, SOME FOLKS WHO DON'T EAT ANY, ANY THOUGHTS ON EITHER ONE OF YOU ON, ON ANY SUGGESTION THAT YOU WOULD HAVE.

UM, LIKE I SAID, BEGINNING, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE WANT FOLKS TO FULFILL THEIR DREAMS. LIKE YOU TALKED ABOUT, THERE ARE SOME, SOME FOLKS WHO ARE STILL DREAMERS, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANT.

SO ANY THOUGHTS ON HOW YOU THINK OUR CITY CAN BETTER DEAL WITH THOSE FOLKS? CAN ANY ADVICE I SAID EARLIER, MR. BJ, I'M, I'M ONE OF THOSE PERSONS THAT OWN ONE OF THOSE TRAILERS.

AND A LOT OF TIMES I'M GOING TO BE HONEST, THOSE VENDORS THAT ARE OUT THERE DOING THAT, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE.

THEY DON'T HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE.

SO I TAKE THAT, THINK THAT, UM, THEY'RE BEING MISLED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, UH, I LEFT A LOT OF VENDORS BEHIND.

AND WHEN I SAY A LOT OF VENDORS BEHIND AND WITHIN FIVE YEARS SPANNED, LIKE I SAID, I WAS ABLE TO GO BUY TWO TRAILERS.

AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, WHAT IS HE DOING NOW? YOU KNOW, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DREAM AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE GOALS AND DISCIPLINE BECAUSE AS A VENDOR THAT DOESN'T COMPLY, IT DOES BECAUSE WHEN I WAS DOING, I DIDN'T THINK I WAS BREAKING THE LAW, BUT I WAS, I WAS, BUT I THINK THAT IF, UH, THE CODE COMPLIANCE CAN GO OUT TO THEM AND GIVE THEM SOME ADVICE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE IF I TELL THEM, THEY'LL BE LIKE, MAN, YOU ALREADY MADE IT TO THE TOP.

BUT IF AN OFFICIAL, YOU KNOW, UM, PERSON CAN GUIDE THEM, HEY, YOU NEED THIS, YOU NEED THAT.

YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF THROWING SOMETHING AT THEM, LIKE YOU THROW IT AT ME AND YOU KNOW, THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

CAUSE WE NEED A COACH AND HELP TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW? AND, UM, I FEEL LIKE IN MY PART THAT WE NEED TO HAVE DESIGNATED TAGS AS WELL.

SO, UM, I PURCHASED TWO TRADERS AND I HAVE TWO TAGS FOR POLL TRAILERS AND THESE TAGS HAVE DIFFERENT COLORS, UH, ON BOTH OF MY TRUCKS.

I HAVE DIFFERENT COLORS FOR THE MONTH.

AND, UM, AND WHEN I SAY DIFFERENT TAGS OR DIFFERENT, LIKE, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, IF I GET MY, UM, ONE MONTH WE'RE IN, WE'RE IN MARCH.

SO WHERE THE THIRD MONTH OF THE YEAR, UH, IT MIGHT BE GREEN.

OKAY.

GREEN.

OKAY.

IT MIGHT BE COLOR GREEN, BUT WHEN I SAY A DESIGNATED STICKER OR A DESIGNATED PLAQUE, THAT HE'S GOING TO BE IN A DESIGNATED AREA.

SO WHEN THE CODE COMPLIANCE CAUSE ME FIVE STARS TO GOTTA BE THE GLORY AGAIN, AND, UM, CORE COMPONENTS, THEY PULL ME UP, THEY KNOW NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BOTHER ME.

BUT IF YOU HAVE A RECKLESS RECORD, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THERE'S BEEN A TAKE EFFECT AS WELL.

IT'S JUST LIKE WHEN THE POLICE PULLS OVER IN THE FENDER, WHAT POPS UP WHEN YOU SCREEN HE'S REPEATED OFFENDER OR HE'S A LAWBREAKER, SOMETHING'S GOING TO POP UP.

SO WE NEED TO BE IDENTIFIED TO PEOPLE THAT ARE COMPLIANT.

YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? SO WHEN THEY DO DECIDE TO FOLLOW US, BECAUSE MY WIFE HAD TO CALL A COUPLE OF TIMES, I DON'T REALLY CALL IT COMPETITION, BUT, UM, THEY COME UP OVER WHERE I'M AT.

AND I TOLD MY WIFE THAT WHEN I CALLED HIM, HE BROUGHT HIM FEED HER.

CAUSE I COME FROM THE BOTTOM FOR EITHER, AND NOW I'M AT THE TOP, PETER.

SO I'M STILL GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO STAND BY ME.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT AGAIN, WHAT I SAID EARLIER, THEY NEED TO HAVE THE WISDOM.

THEY NEED TO HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE WHAT TO EXPECT, YOU KNOW? CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW.

I DIDN'T KNOW.

I DIDN'T KNOW.

UH, MR. BARKER, HOW WOULD THE TAG, HOW WOULD THAT TEXT SYSTEM SUGGESTION THAT HE TALKED ABOUT? AND HE MENTIONED THAT PERHAPS IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR, FOR YOUR TEAM TO IDENTIFY THOSE THAT HE MENTIONED.

UM, I THINK YOU SAID CORRECT.

I HAVE A ATTACK WITH THE MONTH.

JUST LIKE A CAR ON YOUR WINDOW AS YOUR 12 MONTHS.

BUT IF I CAN HAVE A SEAL OF APPROVAL, SAY THERE ARE CODE COMPLIANCE, READY? SENIOR GARLAND CODE COMPLIANCE, READY? CAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A PREP KITCHEN AGREEMENT.

THAT'S WHAT THEY, WHAT THEIR STANDARDS, BUT WE NEED A LABEL SO WE CAN STAND OUT THAT WE ARE COMPLIANT.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOUR, YOUR VEHICLE REGISTRATION? NO, SIR.

I JUST DON'T FUCK THE FOOD TRUCK THAT THEY PUT ON THEIR HEALTH PREMISE FROM HEALTH AS A DIFFERENT COLOR FOR EVERY MONTH.

WHAT I'M TELLING MR. BJ IS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BE IDENTIFIED, COMPLIANCE, READY.

SO NORMALLY IT'S JUST A PLAQUE.

SURE.

AND WE CAN CERTAINLY, THAT'S PART OF THE WORKING WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

WE CAN GET REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS THAT THEY GIVE TO YOU.

WE'LL BE AWARE OF THAT.

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AND THAT'LL BE IN OUR DATABASE TO, WE WERE TALKING EARLIER AND WE NOT OUT OF THE SUBJECT, BUT LIKE ME, I HAVE EMPLOYEES AND NOT JUST ONE, YOU KNOW, QUITE A FEW.

SO LIKE I SAID, WHEN THESE FEES OR ANYTHING CHANGES, YOU KNOW, IT, YOUR, SOMETHING LIKE A MONKEY IN THE WRENCH, YOU KNOW? SO IT THROWS EVERYTHING ON A WRECK, YOU KNOW, BUT I DON'T GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE PERMITS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVE DREAMS AND GOALS, BUT LIKE I SAID, IT WOULD HELP IF WE CAN SHOW THAT WISDOM, HAVE SOME FLYERS, I'LL BE MORE THAN WELCOME TO PASS THEM OUT AS WELL.

I LOVE THAT IDEA.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

MA'AM UM, OKAY.

SO, UH, COUNCILMAN BASS IS, UM, VISITING AND YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A QUESTION IF YOU CAN HOLD IT ONE SECOND.

UM, I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE COACHING AND EDUCATIONAL AND FLYERS PART.

WE, AND THAT REALLY IS THE HEART OF HOW GARLAND WORKS.

UM, WE DO NOT LIKE, UH, FINDING PEOPLE.

WE DON'T LIKE ISSUING CITATIONS.

WE REALLY LIKE PEOPLE JUST TO LEARN, TO LEARN AND TO GET IT RIGHT.

THAT'S BETTER FOR EVERYBODY.

SO I LOVE THE IDEA OF GUIDANCE, COACHING, FLYERS EDUCATION.

YOU GOTTA COMMUNICATE.

SO WE CAN, IF WE CAN'T COMMUNICATE, WE CAN'T REGULATE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW WE HAVE TO COMMUNICATE SO WE CAN REGULATE THE ORDINANCE.

OKAY.

AND, UM, AND I'M, I'M INTRIGUED BY YOUR, UM, YOUR IDEA ABOUT, UH, UH, A SEAL OF APPROVAL AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN JUST INSTANTLY.

OH YEAH.

BUT, UM, AND ONE THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT, YOU YOU'VE, YOU'VE DISCUSSED A LOT OF THINGS AND YOU'VE REFERENCED CODE, BUT A LOT OF THOSE THINGS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH, PARTICULARLY WITH CODE THEIR HEALTH DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS.

SO IT'S TWO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND TWO DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS, SO IT'S NOT ALL CODE.

UM, SO A LOT OF THE THINGS ARE ACTUALLY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND THEY GO WITH THAT ANNUAL HEALTH PERMIT.

UM, AND ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE NOT ADDING ANY FEES TO FOOD, TRUCK OPERATORS, AND WE'RE ADDING MINIMAL ONE TIME, SMALL FEES TO THE SITE OWNERS WHO YOU ARE.

AND I ASSUME EVERYWHERE YOU PARK, ARE YOU, IT'S JUST AN OPEN QUESTION.

ARE YOU PROVIDING, UM, SOME KIND OF MONEY, EITHER A RENT OR A PERCENTAGE OF YOUR TAKE TO THE HOST BUSINESS? UM, MAYBE I DON'T.

UM, SO THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, HELLO, CARWASH, UH, THE MANAGERS OR THE OWNER, THEY'RE HUNGRY, THEY GET FREE FOOD.

UM, WHEN I GO TO TUTOR LAND, UH, RIGHT OFF OF MAIN STREET, I GIVE HER FREE FOOD.

SO I BRING HER BUSINESS, SHE BRINGS ME BUSINESS AND THAT'S THE SAME WITH HELLO, CAR WASH WHILE THEY'RE GETTING THEIR CAR DETAILED OR WHATEVER THEY HAVE LUNCH.

AND THEY WAIT AT THE PICNIC TABLE AND EAT.

SO IT'S NOT, I DON'T PAY A FEE, BUT THERE ARE PLACES THAT I DO.

BUT HERE IN GARLAND, I DON'T.

OKAY.

AND ANGEL, HOW ABOUT FOR YOU? DO YOU, DO YOU PAY SITE OWNERS, A FEE, A PERCENTAGE? DO YOU HAVE AN ARRANGEMENT IN MOST CASES? IT'S AN ARRANGEMENT.

YES.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT WAS THE ASSUMPTION THAT, THAT IN MOST CASES, THE SITE OWNERS WERE RECEIVING A BENEFIT FROM YOUR PRESENCE OR ELSE THEY WOULDN'T BE HAPPY WITH YOU BEING THERE AND THAT A $45 ONE TIME FEE FOR THIS SITE AMENDMENT, WHICH INCIDENTALLY, I DID NOT SEE THIS IN THE DRAFT, BUT ONE OF THE DECISIONS OF THE COMMITTEE WAS TO HAVE A SIX MONTH LEAD TIME FOR THAT.

UM, RIGHT.

SO THAT IT ISN'T SOME PANIC, YOU PUSH THE BUTTON AND ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYBODY'S SCRAMBLING AND LINING UP A SIX MONTH TIME FOR, FOR ANY HOST SITES TO BE ABLE TO GO AND GET AN AMENDED CEO, WHICH, UM, AGAIN, OUR PREVIOUS, UH, BUILDING INSPECTION, UM, PERSON WHO WAS HERE SAID, THIS IS SOMETHING THEY DON'T HAVE TO HIRE ANYBODY.

THEY CAN DRAW IT ON A NAPKIN BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE WITH THE, AN EXISTING CEO, WE ALREADY HAVE ALL OF THEIR INFORMATION THERE.

THIS IS A PRETTY SIMPLE TRANSACTION.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION.

I'M SORRY.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, I DID A NEWS REPORT AND THE PORTER WAS TELLING ME THAT, UM, YOU GUYS ARE THINKING ABOUT OPENING A PARK AND TWO OF THEM, AND IT'S ABOUT A SEVEN MILE SEVEN MILE RADIUS FROM 6 35.

I HAVE SEVEN LIKES THAT FAR.

I DON'T THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY TWO OF THEM.

ONE IS IN DISTRICT FIVE THAT ROUGHLY THE BIGGEST INTERSECTIONS WOULD BE MILLER ROAD AND GARLAND ROAD.

UM, IT'S AT RECODE AND PARK.

NOW WE'RE BUILDING A NEW SKATE PARK THERE AND A FOOD

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TRUCK COURT.

YEAH.

WELL, OH YEAH.

WELL GLENBROOK SMALLER THAN, THAN GARLAND ROAD, BUT IT WOULD BE THE CLOSEST WOULD BE GLENN BURKE AND MILLER.

IT'S RIGHT.

JUST A BLOCK.

OH, I KNOW WHERE IT IS.

OKAY.

AND THE I, THE CENTRAL PARK SOUTH OF CENTRAL PARK, UM, YEAH, EASY WALKING AND THE OTHER ONE IS, UM, GOING TO BE BUILT AT TUCKER VILLE PARK, WHICH IT'S AN UNDEVELOPED PARK.

IT'S AT 66.

IF YOU KNOW, OUR ANIMAL SHELTER IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THERE, THERE'S GOING TO BE A BIG TENNIS CENTER AND WE'RE BUILDING A FOOD.

I CAN'T SAY THAT FOOD TRUCK COURT THERE AS WELL.

SO THOSE ARE TWO THAT WOULD BE OURS.

SO IN THE OTHER COMMITTEE, WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT, UM, ORGANIZE, UH, CRAFTING THE ORDINANCES AND REQUIREMENTS FOR PRIVATE BUSINESSES TO CREATE AN OPERATE, A FOOD TRUCK COURT.

I MEAN, THERE'S NO REASON THAT WE CAN'T HAVE PRIVATE BUSINESSES DOING THAT AS WELL.

SO THAT'S THAT'LL AFFECT ANY CHANGES FOR US LIKE ME AND HER, LIKE A CHARITY HAS A STABLE SPOT AND I HAVE A STATE.

NO, B W WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE AT THAT FOOD TRUCK PARK.

OH NO.

OH, IT'S OPTIONAL.

OPTIONAL.

OKAY.

DID YOU KNOW THAT? NO, I HEARD ABOUT THAT TOO, BUT I DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T CROSS MY MIND.

LIKE I SAID, NICK COULD HIT ANOTHER TRUCK OVER THERE.

WHAT'S THE FUTURE CAPACITY OVER THERE BY THE SHELTER.

AND, UM, IT'S NOT BUILT YET.

OKAY.

SO, SO THESE THINGS ARE, ARE THINGS WE HAVE, BUT THEY ARE NOT YET IN EXISTENCE.

THEY ARE COMING.

WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THEM.

SO, UM, NO, MR. HASLER IS HERE.

DO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT? HOW MANY TRUCKS AND I THINK RECODE IS, MIGHT BE BETWEEN FOUR TO SIX PLACES.

DON'T REMEMBER BOB DAY TENNIS IS PROBABLY A COUPLE OF IN PHASE ONE, ALLOCATED PARKING SPACES,