* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OKAY, [00:00:01] GOOD AFTERNOON. [Community Services Committee on April 5, 2022.] IT IS TUESDAY, APRIL 5TH, 2022. IT IS 4:00 PM. AND THIS IS A MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE. I AM CHAIR DEBRA MORRIS, AND WITH ME ARE OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS, COUNCIL MEMBER, VERA, AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, BJ WILLIAMS, AND A ROOM FULL OF STAFF WHO ALL LOOK VERY EXCITED ABOUT BEING HERE. I'M LYING JUST FOR THE RECORD. OKAY. SO, UM, ITEM ONE ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 1ST, 2022 MEETING, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS. HAVE YOU ALL HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? AND IF SO, DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES. OKAY. SORRY. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OKAY. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. NUMBER TWO ON THE AGENDA IS TO DISCUSS FUNDING OPTIONS FOR SIDEWALKS AND SPEED HUMPS. AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO TAKE SPEED HUMPS FIRST SIDEWALKS FIRST. OKAY. SO I THOUGHT WE WERE REVERSING THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE SENTENCE. ALL RIGHT. AND, UM, STEVE OLIVER, OUR STRAITS DIRECTOR IS, UM, TAKING A SEAT AND IT'S GOING TO WALK US THROUGH THIS. THANK YOU, STEVE. THANK YOU, MR. WILLIAMS. AND YOU, CAN YOU PLEASE PUT THE DRAGON MIKE OVER THE WEEKEND? I ACTUALLY WANT TO HEAR WHAT I GOT TO SAY. MOST PEOPLE DON'T PLUS WE'RE RECORDING YOU LIKE BIG BROTHER. SO THERE YOU GO. UH, THE SIDEWALK COST SHIP PROGRAM, OBVIOUSLY THE CABO, THE SIDEWALK COST SHARE PROGRAM IS DESIGNATED FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ON TOP F AND G STREETS AND THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND THE STANDARD COST HERE IS THE 50%. IF IT MEETS THE, IF IT MEETS THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT FOR REPLACEMENT, IT'S 50% CINDY FUNDED, 50% RESIDENT FUNDING. HOWEVER, IN THE MOST RECENT, UH, UH, A REVISION TO THE ORDINANCE, WE APPROVED THE COUNCIL APPROVED THREE OTHER DISCOUNTS THAT COULD BE APPLIED TO THAT, WHICH IS THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. THE, IF THE HOUSE IS LOCATED WITHIN A CDBG DESIGNATED AREA, OR IF THE PERSON IS DISABLED AND OR 65 YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER, AND THAT COULD, YOU COULD GET AN ADDITIONAL 40% WHERE YOUR SHARE WOULD BE AS LITTLE AS 10%, IF YOU QUALIFIED FOR ALL THOSE DISCOUNTS, JUST PUT SOME PICTURES IN HERE TO GIVE SOME EXAMPLES OF THE THINGS THAT QUALIFY FOR SIDEWALK REPLACEMENT. AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST PICTURE. YOU'LL SEE WHERE YOU'VE GOT SEPARATION, VERTICAL SEPARATION, SEPARATIONS THAT ARE CAUSED BY TREES. UH, THE OTHER THING IT'S NOT REALLY SHOWING THEM OF THESE IS A, IS A HORIZONTAL SEPARATION, A HORIZONTAL SEPARATION. IF IT'S TWO INCHES OF MORE THAN THAT, THAT ALSO QUALIFIES, BUT MOSTLY IT IS THE VERTICAL SEPARATION, VERTICAL SEPARATIONS. AND THEN ALSO THE DEPRESSIONS THAT CAUSE WATER TO STAND THOSE THINGS. THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT QUALIFY. THE THINGS THAT DO NOT QUALIFY IS THINGS LIKE THAT ARE MORE AESTHETIC IN NATURE. THE SPALLING, IF YOU'VE GOT SPALLING, IF YOU'VE GOT SLIGHT SEPARATION IN THE, IN THE JOINTS THERE, THOSE, THOSE DON'T, THOSE ARE NOT A LARGE ENOUGH SEPARATION TO, UH, TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT SO FAR IS F AT, AND THIS IS THE TIME I PUT THIS TOGETHER. THAT WAS ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF LAST MONTH. WE HAD HAD A RECEIVED 183 REQUESTS SINCE OCTOBER 1ST, 2020. WHEN THE STREET DEPARTMENT TOOK OVER, THERE WAS 183 REQUESTS, 116 MET REQUIREMENT FOR A PLACEMENT AND 77 DIDN'T MEET REPLACEMENT. THOSE WERE NOTED. THOSE WERE CLOSING SYSTEM AND THE RESIDENTS WERE NOTIFIED THAT THEY DIDN'T QUALIFY FOR THE COST SHARE THE AVERAGE SHARE THE AVERAGE COST. THE TOTAL COST OF THAT REPAIR WAS $3,020. SO BASED ON THE AVERAGE COST, IF WE, IF WE HAD A HUNDRED AND A HUNDRED AND A HUNDRED PERCENT PARTICIPATION, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 350%, THE CITY SHARE WOULD BE 50 TO 90% OF THAT. SO THAT WOULD BE ANYWHERE FROM 175 TO 315,000 WOULD BE THE CITY SAY, IF NO, NOW, HOWEVER WE TALKED ABOUT, IF NO CITIZEN CONTRIBUTION WAS REQUIRED, WE WOULD EXPECT THE REQUEST WOULD DRAMATICALLY INCREASED. AND THEREFORE WE WOULD, WE WOULD, THE BEST WAY WE WOULD DO THAT WAS TO BE THOSE ON A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE BASIS. AND WE THINK THAT THAT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE THE DEMAND ON THE SIDEWALK INSPECTION STAFF, BUT ALSO AS PART OF THAT SIDEWALK REPROGRAM THE, THE REPAIRS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL STREETS ON THE TOP A THROUGH E IF YOU SEE IF YOUR, IF YOUR HOUSE LIKE SAY A BUTTS ONTO AN ARTERIAL, THOSE REPAIRS ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT. CITY-FUNDED JUST PUT YOUR EXAMPLES OF AVERAGE SIDEWALK REPLACEMENT COSTS. THE AVERAGE, THE AVERAGE LENGTH OF A SIDEWALK THAT'S REPLACED WAS 41 41 0.4 FEET. AND THAT AVERAGE COST, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WAS $3,020. SO THE AVERAGE LINEAR PER FOOT COST FOR THE REPLACEMENT, AND THAT INCLUDES ANY SIDING, ANY OF ANY TREE ROOT CUTS, WHATEVER THE AVERAGE IS [00:05:01] 70, ALMOST $73, A SQUARE $73 A LINEAR FOOT. SO IF I'M, IF I'M THE STANDARD 50 50, THE RESIDENT SHARE WOULD BE $1,510, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD QUALIFY THAT WOULD QUALIFY FOR THE 60 MONTH INSTALLMENT PLAN, OR THAT'S AN AVERAGE OF $25 AND 17 CENTS. NOW ON THOSE MONTHLY PAYMENTS THAT HAVE NOT, THAT HAS NOT CALCULATED IN THE INTEREST. I THINK THE INTEREST RATE THAT MATT WATSON GAVE US WAS THREE AND A HALF PERCENT. SO IT WOULD BE SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN THAT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE INDICATION OF WHAT THOSE COSTS WILL BE IF YOU GOT, AND I DID A KIND OF A COMBINATION OF ALL THE DIFFERENT PERMUTATIONS YOU COULD GET. IF YOU JUST GOT THE ELDERLY DISABLED, THE 10% ADDITIONAL COSTS, YOUR COSTS WILL DROP THE $1,200 THAT WAS STILL QUALIFIED FOR THE 60 MONTH PAYMENT PLAN. AND THAT WILL BE $20 AND 13 CENTS A MONTH. IF YOU GET THIS, THE HOMESTEAD OR THE CDBG, WHICH IS 15%, THAT WOULD REDUCE YOUR COST OF $1,057, WHICH WOULD ALSO STILL QUALIFY FOR THE MONTH PAYMENT AND THAT'S $17 AND 62 CENTS A MONTH. AND THEN THE STANDARD, IF YOU GOT CDBG AND ELDERLY STABLE, WHICH WAS 25% DISCOUNT, THAT WOULD RUN THE ADDITIONAL 25% THAT WERE AT ISSUE SHARE TO $755, WHICH AT THAT POINT YOU WOULD QUALIFY FOR A 48 MONTHS PAYMENT PLAN, WHICH WILL BE $15 AND 73 CENTS A MONTH. AND THEN IF YOU GOT THE HOMESTEAD AND THE, AND THE, AND THE, AND THE CDBG, WHICH WOULD BE A 30% ADDITIONAL DISCOUNT, SO YOUR SHARE WOULD BE $604, WHICH ALSO QUALIFIES FOR THE 48 MONTHS, WHICH IS $12 AND 58 CENTS A MONTH. AND IF YOU GOT ALL THE DISCOUNTS, ALL 40%, YOUR SEAR WAS A 10% YOU SHARE WOULD BE 300, $2 THAT WOULD QUALIFY FOR THE 36 MONTH PAYMENT. AND THAT'S $8 AND 39 CENTS A MONTH. I WAS GOING TO SAY, LIKE I SAY, THE MONTHLY P THOSE CALCULATIONS DON'T INCLUDE THE INTEREST. AND OF COURSE THE ONE THING IS THAT, THAT IF YOU DO GO ON A MONTHLY PAYMENT PLAN, IT DOES REQUIRE THE PLACEMENT OF A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY. WE'LL LOOK AT DIFFERENT FUNDING OPTIONS FOR FUNDING. THESE SHARES. IN ADDITION TO THE SPOT WE LOOKED AT, I MADE CONVERSATIONS WITH BOTH, UH, UH, SCOTT IN NEIGHBORHOOD, BATTALION, MONI, AND CDBG TO TALK ABOUT THE PROGRAMS, UH, ACCORDING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BATTALION GRANT, THERE WAS A MATCHING GRANT THAT PROVIDED 79, 70 TO 90% CITY FUNDED, BUT IT DID REQUIRE AN ACTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND THERE WERE 13 PROJECTS THAT WERE COMPLETED BEFORE 22, 20 15. AND THAT WAS APPROXIMATELY $280,000 IN GRANTS THAT WERE GRANTED FOR THESE TYPES OF SIDEWALK REPLACEMENT HOMES. IN 2015, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A POLICY TO CHANGE, TO EXCLUDE SIDEWALKS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY PROJECT FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS. ONE THE NIGHT, THE THOUGHT WAS THAT YOU WERE ASKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO CONTRIBUTE TO AN INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY. SECONDLY, IT, IT, IT WASN'T, IT WAS LOOKING AT AN ISOLATED LOCATION. SO IT WASN'T A COMPREHENSIVE NEIGHBORHOOD PRAYING PER SE. THIRD, IT DID REQUIRE A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. SO YOU MIGHT HAVE ONES THAT WERE QUALIFIED, BUT IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN ACTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THEY DIDN'T, THEY DID NOT GET TO PARTICIPATE. AND THEN THERE'S ALWAYS THE POSSIBILITY OF TRYING TO COORDINATE WITH DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS OR PROJECTS OR WHATEVER. WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL THAT YOU, IF YOU'RE SPENDING MONEY AND THEN YOU TURN AROUND A YEAR OR TWO LATER AND IN REPLACING ENTIRE STREET OR SOMETHING, AND THAT MONEY BEING KIND OF GOOD MONEY GOING AFTER BAD. SO THAT'S WHY THAT PROGRAM WAS THIS, THAT THE SIDEWALK PORTION WAS DISCONTINUED AND THEN CDBG FUNDING. APPARENTLY THERE WERE, THERE WAS $50,000 THAT WAS PROGRAMMED FOR SIDEWALK REPAIRS. AND WHEN THIS WAS DONE, INITIALLY IT REQUIRED INDIVIDUAL, BUT THIS REQUIRED INDIVIDUAL CLIENT APPLICATIONS AND INVOICES. SO EVERY PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY, EVEN IF YOU WANT TO GO IN THE NEIGHBOR, EVERY PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY REQUIRED AN APPLICATION, AND IT REQUIRED TO BE INVOICED SEPARATELY. AND THEN THE FEDERAL FUNDS, IF ANY PROJECT WAS ABOVE $2,000, THEN IT TRIGGERED THE DAVE AND BAY DAVIS BACON WAGE REQUIREMENTS. SO THAT'S, IF YOU'VE DEALT WITH THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A DIFFICULT AND TIME CONSUMING AND ARDUOUS PROCESS TO DO. THAT'S WHY, WHEN THE CDBG, WHEN WE WERE IN THE STREET PROJECTS, WE DID THEM ALL INTERNALLY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO THE BANK AND DAVIS ISSUES. AND THEN IT TURNS OUT THEN THE WAY THIS WAS WORKING, THE PROGRAM JUST WASN'T FEASIBLE TO ADMINISTER. AND SO THOSE FUNDS WERE REPROGRAMMED SEVERAL YEARS AGO. SO NOW NO MONEY ACTUALLY GOT SPENT ON SIDEWALKS AND CDBG FUNDING. LET'S TELL YOU WHY IN THE BOND PROGRAM AND THE BOND PROGRAM IN THE 2004 BOND PROGRAM, AS OF A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WE HAD $265,000 LEFT IN THE 2004 BOND PROGRAM. WE HAVE 5 MILLION THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE 2019 MONTH PROGRAM. SO WE'VE GOT FIVE POINT LESS THAN $5.3 MILLION. THE WAY IT WAS PROJECTED IN THE END, THE CS CIP STREAM, THE FUNDING WAS PROJECTED TO BE 900,020 2, 6 68 AND 23, 6 84 AND 24, 7 0 6 AND 25, 7 36 AND 26, AND THEN A MILLION AND A HALF FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE BOND PROGRAM. AND OF COURSE THE NOT ONLY THIS, THE 50 50 SHARE, BUT ALL THE, ALL THE REPAIRS ALONG ARTERIALS THAT THE CITY, THE CITY DOES THAT THAT'S ALSO FUNDED. IT'S GOING TO BE FUNDED OUT OF THAT PROGRAM. SO THAT'S KIND OF A BACKGROUND [00:10:01] ON WHERE THE FUNDING IS AND WHAT MONEY'S AVAILABLE FOR IT. SO AT THAT I WOULD ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS, UM, BJ, GO AHEAD. AND IT SHOULD HAVE A LIVE MIC. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UM, BUT EVEN AGAINST D WE'D LIKE TO HEAR YOU, DESPITE WHATEVER YOU SAY WE LIKE HEARING FROM YOU. IT'S GOOD TO HAVE ONE. YES, YES. YOUR VOICE HAS SAT ON FOR A LONG TIME, SO GLAD THAT HE SAVED IT. JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, UM, ON THE PHOTOGRAPHS YOU SHOWED ON. I THINK THE THIRD SLIDE ON THE, UH, WE HAD PHOTOS OF THE, THE, UH, DENIALS THAT, YEAH. THEN THAT WAS OKAY. BUT WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE NOTIFY YOU, YOU KNOW, AN APPLICANT THAT THEY WERE IN THE NIGHT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT DO WE, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE NOTIFY THEM? AND WHAT'S THE CONTENT OF THAT NOTIFICATION? UH, GENERALLY WE GET, WE GET THOSE AS, AS CALL EITHER EMAIL OR REQUEST GENERALLY, UH, THE, THE, OUR INSPECTOR HAS BEEN CONTACTING THEM IN PERSON AND BY PHONE. AND JUST EXPLAIN TO THEM THAT YOUR REQUEST DIDN'T MEET THE CRITERIA FOR THE ORDINANCE, THAT FOR THE CITY TO PARTICIPATE. SO THAT IF FEW, IF YOU WANT TO REPLACE THAT, YOU WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT ON YOUR, THAT THEY'RE AT THEIR COST IF THEY CHOSE TO REPLACE IT. OKAY. DO WE PROVIDE THEM WITH THE CRITERIA IN VANCE WHEN THEY FIRST APPLIED? DO WE, DO WE SHARE THE CRITERIA WITH, YOU KNOW, AT THE FRONT END OF THE PROCESS? I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE, BUT I, I CANNOT SAY FOR SURE, BUT I WILL GET FROM THAT SPECTRUM. I CERTAINLY CAN TELL FROM THE SPECTRUM, FIND OUT IF THEY'RE LETTING PEOPLE KNOW. CAUSE A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN JUST LOOK AT IT RIGHT AWAY AND SAY IT DOESN'T QUALIFY, BUT THAT'S USUALLY WE'LL GET PHONE CALLS. AND SO THE INSPECTOR GOES OUT AND LOOKS AT THEM AND THEN RESPONDS. BUT I THINK ON THE INITIAL PHONE CALL, WHEN THEY CALL IN, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE CRITERIA. THAT MEANS IF IT DOESN'T MEET THEM, WE EXPLAINED TO HIM WHY IT DOESN'T MEET. OH, OKAY. MADAM, UH, STEVE, COULD YOU FOLLOW UP ON THAT APP? LIKE TO T TO KNOW WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT PROTOCOL FRONT END PROTOCOL LOOKS LIKE? I WILL, I WILL GET WITH ORANGE SPECTRUM, FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT THEIR PROCESSES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, NEXT QUESTION. AND I'VE ONLY GOT ONE MORE. UM, NOW WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT A SCORING SYSTEM, STRAIGHTS PAYMENTS, ALL, ALTHOUGH THAT WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A SQUOTE SCORING SYSTEM FOR SIDEWALKS, RIGHT? UH, DEWEY. NO, WE DO NOT. OKAY. OKAY. SO IT'S BASED PRETTY MUCH ON APPEARANCE, RIGHT? YEAH. WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE GET, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE REPLACE STREETS, WE REPLACE THE SIDEWALKS, BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T RATE THEM SEPARATELY FROM THE STREETS. SO WHEN WE DO A RATING FOR THE STREET, IT DOES IT CURRENTLY, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE SIDEWALKS. THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED, BUT AT NIGHT AT PRESENT, THE SIDEWALKS ARE NOT RATED AS PART OF THE STREET WRITING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND, AND MY LAST QUESTION IS BECAUSE I'VE HAD SEVERAL OF THESE REQUESTS, I'VE HAD PEOPLE CONTACT ME WHO ARE DISABLED, OR HAVE A DIS, A DISABLED PERSON IN THE HOME THAT EASES SIDEWALKS. HOW DOES SORT OF BRIEFLY DESCRIBED FROM A, HOW TO SET, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT AND ENSURE THAT THEY GET ALL THE BENEFITS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DIS AS OPPOSED TO WHERE THERE ISN'T A DISABILITY, HOW DO WE, WHAT CONSIDERATIONS, HOW DOES THAT KICK IN? HOW DOES IT PLAY OUT? YOU KNOW, I STARTED CHART. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT HOW DOES THAT, WHEN YOU CALLED AND SAID, I'VE GOT A DISABLED PERSON IN THE HOUSE WHO USES, WHO NEEDS ACCESSIBILITY. SO HOW DOES, HOW DOES THAT FIT INTO, TO OUR ENTIRE PROTOCOL FOR SIDEWALKS WHEN IT GETS INTO ADA TYPE REQUESTS? HONESTLY, THAT OBVIOUSLY THE RAMPS ARE SOMETHING THAT WE FUND A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT, UH, GENERALLY, IF THERE IS A REQUEST AND SOMEONE SAYS, I WANT TO GO FROM POINT A TO POINT B AND I CAN'T GET THERE, THEN WE IDENTIFY THE, IDENTIFY, THE ADDRESSES, AND THEN THE ADJACENT ADDRESSES WOULD BE, WOULD BE SENT, NOTIFIED THE SAME. YES. YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO, YOU NEED TO REPAIR YOUR SIDEWALK AND THEN THEY, THEY CAN EITHER PARTICIPATE. OR IF THEY DO NOT CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE, THEN WE WOULD, WE WOULD LEAN THOSE PROPERTIES, BUT PLACE A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY, IF THEY DO NOT, IF THEY'VE BEEN, IF THEY'VE BEEN NOTIFIED THAT THERE'S AN ADA REASON THAT THEY NEED TO REPLACE HER SIDEWALK. OKAY. AND THAT LAST SEAT, MADAM CHAIR, UM, I KNOW CAUSE YOU RESPONDED AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR STEVE. YOU RESPONDED TO SEVERAL REQUESTS IN MY DISTRICT WHERE SOMEONE WANTED TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B, BUT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE CONDITIONS, THE SIDEWALK, NOT NECESSARILY IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE, BUT IN ORDER [00:15:01] FOR THEM TO GET TO POINT A POINT TO POINT B WHEELCHAIR, WALK US, AND WE WOULD DRESS THAT IT'S NOT IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE, BUT IT'S, IT'S A PART OF THE TRANSIT PATH. SO WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR THAT. I THINK YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING REALLY APPRECIATED. I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT PLAY? THE ADA AND THE ADA REQUESTS ARE FUNNELED THROUGH A DIFFERENT, ARE NOT FUNNELED DIRECTLY THROUGH US OR FUNNELED THROUGH ENGINEERING, BUT WE DO, WE DO COORDINATE WITH THEM. AND THEN, AND THEN THAT BRINGS A LOT OF TH TH THIS IS ISSUES THAT WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH, WITH TONY'S OFFICE OF, IF LET'S SAY THERE'S A REQUEST, BUT MAYBE THE STREET'S SCHEDULED FOR REPLACEMENT, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE FUTURE. WHAT, WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME? WHAT ARE THE LEGITIMATE TIMEFRAMES? THAT'S AN ISSUE WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH WITH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OF, OF WHAT KIND OF TIMEFRAME THAT YOU'VE GOT, THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN ADDRESS THESE ISSUE. CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WITH AN ADA REQUEST, WE HAVE TO BE RESPONSIVE, UH, ON THOSE REQUESTS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILMAN JARED, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH. YOU DON'T HAVE NO MORE QUESTIONS. I'M DONE. I'M JUST KIDDING WITH YOU. THANK YOU. YOU ALWAYS SAY I GOT TWO QUESTIONS. YOU SAY THREE OR FOUR. I'M JUST JOKING WITH YOU. OKAY. I DON'T LIKE TO HEAR MYSELF TALK SEVERAL TIMES, SO I'LL PUT IT OUT IN ONE BAG, JOEY, ON THIS. UM, WHAT IS THE THIRD PAGE? YEAH, GO TO THE THIRD PAGE. YEAH. THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. YOU SEE THAT TREE GROWING UP AND BREAKING THE SIDEWALK. YES. LIFTING IT UP. UM, AND IT'S ON THE SIGHT LINE OF THIS HOUSE, NOT IN THE FRONT, IT'S A ON BOBBY COURT, AS YOU GO IN, IT'S ON THE RIGHT NEXT TO THE DRIVEWAY. AND THIS PEOPLE IN, IN IS VERY BAD. AND, UH, THE PEOPLE ON THE CIRCLE WHERE THEY WALK AND THEY WERE CONCERNED WHO COULD GO, HOW CAN THEY FIX THAT? AND IT, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, THEY JUST SOLD THE HOUSE AND MOVED AWAY. AND THE GUY THAT BOUGHT IT IS A WHAT'D HE CALL LANDLORD, RAN HOUSES THAT JUST BOUGHT IT AND MOVE IN THERE. HOW CAN WE FIX THAT SIDEWALK? UM, COUNTY AND DEREK, CAN WE, CAN WE TAKE THAT AFTER THE MEETING? AND HAVE YOU DISCUSSED THAT PARTICULAR? YEAH. IF YOU'VE GOT A SPECIFIC LOCATION, WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT THAT OFFLINE. WE'RE HAPPY TO, THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE. BECAUSE WHAT'S ON ACTUALLY ON OUR AGENDA IS ABOUT THE FUNDING AND THE PROGRAM. IT'S NOT. AND SO TRYING TO KIND OF, KIND OF DRAW THINGS IN POLICY, INTERNAL POLICY FOR HOW, UM, HOW STREETS WOULD HANDLE THIS IN DIFFERENT SCENARIOS IS IT'S KIND OF, UM, OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR HERE. I, I WILL SAY JUST AS FAR AS I'M TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE IN ADVANCE, UM, ABOUT DISQUALIFICATIONS, I WOULD JUST LOVE TO HEAR YOU TRY TO EXPLAIN THAT OVER THE PHONE SPALLING WHAT'S FALLING IS AND WHAT THE SEPARATE, I, THIS IS ONE THING I THINK REALLY YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TO EITHER HAVE A PICTURE FOR PEOPLE OR POINT TO THEIR SIDEWALK TO, TO EXPLAIN THAT WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT IS SOME OF THESE THINGS IT REALLY WOULD HAVE TO, YOU'D HAVE TO GET OUT AND, AND SAY, THIS IS WHY IT DOESN'T QUALIFY. THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE VERY GOOD AT, IT LOOKS, I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A SIDEWALK. I HAVE A DITCH, BUT THAT LOOKS LIKE SIDEWALKS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, STEVE, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, JUST FOR, UM, ANYBODY WHO MAY LISTEN TO THIS LATER, CAN YOU PLEASE DESCRIBE WHAT TYPE F AND TYPE G STREETS ACTUALLY ARE? HOW ABOUT OFTENTIMES G OR THE RESIDENTIAL, THE ONES THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE THAT DO NOT SERVE AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN SERVING THE LOCAL RESIDENTS OF THOSE STREETS? IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TYPE F AND TYPE G? I THINK IT'S THE WIDTH, IT'S THE WIDTH OF THE STREETS. I MEAN, THE RESIDENTIAL, SOME OF THEM ARE A LITTLE WIDER RESIDENTIAL STREETS IN THE, I THINK THEY HAVE SORT A LITTLE WIDER THAN A G, BUT THEY'RE ALL STILL RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE. OKAY. UM, AND JUST AS A, AS AN OFFSHOOT OF THIS, THE, THE THREE AND A HALF PERCENT, UM, INTERESTS THAT WE CHARGE WHEN WE DO THE EXTENDED PAYMENTS IS THAT, UM, AND YOU, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, IS THAT A STANDARD, UM, UM, INTEREST THAT WE CHARGED CITY-WIDE ON? ANYTHING WE DO IS THAT, IS THAT, IS CORY HERE. OKAY. IF, IS THAT, IS THAT A STANDARD, UM, PERCENTAGE THAT WE USE, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S SPECIFIC FOR THIS PROGRAM WITH STREETS WHERE WE, UM, BASICALLY ALLOW PEOPLE TO DO EXTENDED PAYMENTS? [00:20:01] IT'S UH, WELL, WE RECEIVED THAT RIGHT FROM FINANCE, UH, BASED ON THE BONDS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, YEAH, AND REALLY IT'S FINANCE AND I DON'T KNOW. WELL, I MEAN, LIKE HE SAID, IT WAS AT THE THREE AND A HALF PERCENT WAS WHAT MATT, MATT WATSON PROVIDED TO US AS THE CURRENT RATE. I'M TRYING TO SEE IF I CAN TURN YOU ON. ALL RIGHT, RIGHT ON. I THINK THERE'S, NO, I DON'T THINK I EVEN HAVE A, A PO YEAH, COME UP HERE AND EVERYBODY BE QUIET ON THE G IF I NEED, I NEED A DEVIL, I NEED A GAVEL AND I CAN HIT SOMEBODY WITH IT. HE WAS ALL RIGHT. GO FOR IT. NOW THAT YOU'RE UP HERE. UM, IT'S BASED WHAT COREY SAID WAS IT'S BASED ON THE BOND RATE, UM, THE THREE AND A HALF, IT'S NOT A STANDARD PERCENTAGE ACROSS THE BOARD ON THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE PERCENTAGES ON. THERE ARE OTHER PROGRAMS WHERE WE HAVE HIGHER AND LOWER PERCENTAGES, PARTICULAR ONES ON THE BOND RATE. SO MY QUESTION WAS BASICALLY A AT ITS HEART, IS THIS, IS THIS AN AREA OF FLEXIBILITY OR IS THIS AN AREA THAT IS NOT FLEXIBLE? WHAT WE CHOSE? I WOULD THINK IT WOULD NOT BE FLEXIBLE, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE BOND ISSUE. OKAY. JUST LOOKING AT ALL THE DOLLARS AND CENTS AND HOW IT ENDS UP COMING TO THE CITIZENS. THAT WAS JUST A QUESTION THAT CAME TO MY MIND. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, ALL RIGHT. AND STEVE, DID YOU WITH SIDEWALKS, DO YOU HAVE A STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR WHAT A, UM, WHAT POTENTIALLY WE COULD DO WITH A PROGRAM TO MAKE THIS, UM, MOST WORKABLE? DID YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU LIKED? NAH, MAN. I THINK WHAT WE BROUGHT TO YOU WAS WHAT OPTIONS, BUT I MEAN, UH, WHATEVER WHATEVER'S OUT THERE, WE, WE CAN IMP WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE WE CAN IMPLEMENT. I MEAN, IT'S, UH, LIKE I SAID, WE DO REALIZE THAT IF, IF YOU DO GO TO A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED, THEN WE ANTICIPATE THAT THOSE REQUESTS WOULD PROBABLY SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE. RIGHT. AND IF WE DID A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED, UM, BY US, THEN THAT WOULD HAVE, WE WOULD STILL HAVE THE SAME LIMIT, WHATEVER LIMIT WE HAVE NOW, IT WOULD JUST BE FIRST COME FIRST SERVE UNTIL IT'S GONE. YES. AND THE THING THAT YOU SAID THAT CAUGHT MY EAR, AS YOU SAID, THAT, UM, YOUR STAFF FOR THE SIDEWALK, INSPECTIONS AND REPAIRS AND EVERYTHING WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO INCREASE BECAUSE OF AN ANTICIPATED INCREASE IN THE USE OF THIS PROGRAM, IS THAT YOU THINK THAT THERE'S A GOOD LIKELIHOOD THAT IF, IF, IF WE, IF WE WENT TO 0% CITIZENS SHARE THAT THE REQUEST WOULD INCREASE SUCH THAT THERE'S, IT'S QUITE LIKELY WE MIGHT NEED A SECOND INSPECTOR FOR SIDEWALKS. I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO KIND OF LOOK AT AS THE REQUEST CAME IN, BUT WE THINK THERE'S A DISTINCT POSSIBILITY THAT COULD HAPPEN. OKAY. AND, UM, YOUR INFORMATION ABOUT CDBG, OBVIOUSLY, I WOULDN'T WANT TO TOUCH TRYING TO GET INTO ACTUALLY USING CDBG FUNDS. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT INITIALLY WAS CARVING OUT, UM, THE, THE NO COST SIDEWALK REPAIRS FOR, FOR CDBG AREAS. BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS, UM, MIGHT'VE BEEN JUDD WHO HAD SUGGESTED WE HAVE ENOUGH OVER $5 MILLION, CORRECT. IN A SIDEWALK THAT'S CORRECT. UM, FUND RIGHT NOW THAT WE MIGHT JUST WANT TO, UM, JUST SAY FIRST, COME FIRST SERVE, UM, AND NOT PUT EXTRA AREA RULES, MAKING SOME CITIZENS, GET THEM FREE AND OTHERS NOT. OKAY. SO I, I SEE A NODDING AND THEN SHAKING. SO I'M GOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE I'M BJ HERE TO SPEAK. UM, OKAY. I THINK WE DO CAUSE WE GET INTO THINGS THAT MAKE THEM FOLKS CHOOSE. AND SOME CITIZENS, I THINK THAT THE FONZ IS BLANKET. I LIKE THE FIRST COME FIRST SAY, SO I WAS, I WAS IN AGREEMENT WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR COMMENT THAT WE GET INTO WEEDS LIKE THAT IT CREATES BOTTLENECKS FOR YOU AND YOUR TEAM STAY AND ALL THIS, AND AS WELL AS SOME, SOME PR ISSUES OUT THERE. SO I'M JUST AGREEING WITH YOUR MANAGER HERE. IF HE WASN'T A HUNDRED PERCENT, THEN THAT WOULD, IT WOULD STREAMLINE THE PROCESS. CAUSE IT WOULDN'T, WE WOULD NO LONGER HAVE TO GO THROUGH CUSTOMER SERVICE, ASKING THE RESIDENTS, WE JUST NEED TO QUALIFIES OR DOESN'T QUALIFY AND WE REPAIR IT OR WE DON'T REPAIR IT. UH, I AM PERSONALLY LIKING THAT. UM, AND COMMITTEE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS SEVERAL TIMES. UM, MR. BARRETT, DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION? NOT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. I'M THINKING ABOUT IT. OKAY. UM, ALL RIGHT. SO IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE WE HAVEN'T, UM, ONE OPTION THAT SEEMS TO BE RISING TO THE SURFACE AS BEING A POTENTIALLY VIABLE AND MANAGEABLE, ALTHOUGH IT MAY END UP EVENTUALLY MEANING THAT STEVE NEEDS ANOTHER INSPECTOR, WHICH WE'LL CROSS THAT BRIDGE [00:25:01] WHEN WE COME TO IT. BUT JUST BASICALLY, UH, SAYING WE'VE GOT A POT OF MONEY FOR SIDEWALK REPAIRS. UM, THE PROGRAM RIGHT NOW IS, HAS BEEN, HAD ENOUGH OBSTACLES PUT IN THE WAY OF CITIZENS WHO CALL IN A LOT OF THEM. FINANCIAL OBSTACLES FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD TO GET THEIR SIDEWALK FIXED. SO IF WE JUST TAKE THAT OUT AND SAY, THE EXPENSE WILL BE ON US AND IT'S FIRST COME FIRST SERVE FOR QUALIFIED SIDEWALKS, AND THIS WOULD BE CITYWIDE, UM, THAT APPEARS TO BE AT LEAST A, A VIABLE, UM, OPTION. UH, JED, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT OR CONCERNS ADDITIONAL CONCERNS? I WOULD OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD REQUIRE REWRITING OF THE ORDINANCE THEN IT WOULD. UM, SO THE, UM, A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS, ONE, ONE QUESTION THAT WE, WE DIDN'T ANSWER YET, BUT NEED TO FOLLOW UP ON IS, UH, WE SORTA GOT INTO, WE HAVE THIS BACKLOG OF REQUESTS. DO WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO FULFILL THOSE? AND I THINK BASED ON WHAT YOU SHOWED IN THE INITIAL SLIDES, WE'VE GOT ENOUGH TO FUND THOSE REQUESTS BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM JUST DON'T PAN OUT EITHER THEY DON'T QUALIFY OR THEY JUST, ONCE THEY GET THE BILL, THEY DON'T WANT TO, THEY DON'T WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. UM, IN TERMS OF JUST KIND OF WIPING OUT THE PARTICIPANT OR IF I UNDERSTAND THE COMMITTEE, CORRECT. DO YOU GUYS WANT TO JUST WIPE OUT THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PART OF THIS? SO IT WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT CITY FUNDED. UM, CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT FIRST COME FIRST SERVE. I THINK THE MONEY WOULD GO PRETTY QUICK. UM, THE, SO I GUESS IT WOULD JUST GET RID OF THE OTHER DISCOUNTS THAT WE GET AS WELL. IT WOULD JUST BE, WE'RE PAYING FOR IT ALL AND WELL, OTHERWISE WE'D HAVE TO START PAYING THE CITIZENS TO ALLOW US TO FIX THEIR SIDEWALKS. THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC. RIGHT. WELL, OKAY. YEAH. YEAH, NO, I WAS THINKING THAT THE ONLY THOUGHT I HAD WAS WE HAVE SORT OF DISCOUNTS SET UP NOW, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, IF YOU QUALIFY, YOU GET ADDITIONAL PARTICIPATION BY THE CITY, UM, IN, IN SUCH CASES THAT THEY GET MAYBE UP TO THAT 90% CASE. I'M JUST, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT, BECAUSE I DO THINK WE'LL SEE A SLEW OF APPLICANTS IF THIS HAPPENS. UM, AND A LOT OF THEM PROBABLY AREN'T GOING TO QUALIFY JUST BECAUSE WE, IF IT DOESN'T NEED FIXING, WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIX IT. UM, IF, IF THERE'S A WAY TO VET OUT, UM, THOSE THAT REALLY NEED THE HELP THEY WOULD QUALIFY FOR ALL THREE, UM, DISCOUNTS. AND THEN MAYBE WE MAKE UP THAT LAST 10%. UM, I DUNNO, IT'S REALLY A, YOU HATE TO DO THIS CAUSE YOU GET INTO PICKING AND CHOOSING AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT. JUST DO IT FIRST, COME FIRST SERVE. SO ANYWAY, JUST TALKING THROUGH AND THINKING THROUGH WHAT, WHAT THE COMMITTEE IS LOOKING AT HERE. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE SIMPLEST IS WE USE THE MONEY, WE'VE GOT, IT WAS APPROVED IN THE BOND PROGRAM AND ONCE IT'S GONE, IT'S GONE AND WE MOVE ON DOWN THE ROAD. UM, NO, IT'S REALLY, REALLY A COUNCIL'S DISCRETION. IF YOU WANT TO STRUCTURE THE PROGRAM THAT WAY. UM, STEVE REAL QUICK, GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WHERE YOU SHOW THE FUNDING FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS. UM, I WANT TO, I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT, UH, EACH ANNUAL ALLOCATION IS, IS REALLY HALF OF THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR THE, THE SHARE PROGRAM, RIGHT? IS THAT RIGHT? STEVE AND THE OTHER HALF IS FOR, UM, OTHER NEW SIDEWALK PARTICIPATION. THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. UH, MICHAEL IS, IS, IS THE SIDEWALKS, THE FILLING IN THE BLANK SIDEWALKS? IS THAT A PART OF THIS FUNDING? THAT'S A, THAT'S A SEPARATE BOND. OKAY. THERE WAS A SEPARATE BOND FOR FIT, FULFILLING FILLING IN THE BLANKS. THIS IS JUST FOR PARTICIPATION ONLY. SO THEORETICALLY, OBVIOUSLY THAT PARTICIPATION, IF YOU, IF YOU STILL CAN TAKE THE PARTICIPATION PART, THEN THERE'S, THAT WOULD BE THE CITY SHARE OF THE FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. OKAY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. SO IT WOULD STILL BE LIMITED PER YEAR. WE WOULDN'T SAY, OKAY, WE'VE GOT $5 MILLION FIRST COME FIRST SERVE. AND THAT'S ALL BECAUSE IT WOULD KILL YOU AMONG OTHER THINGS. WE CAN'T DO 5 MILLION AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED FROM THE FUNDING STANDPOINT, FROM THE BOND, UH, FROM BUDGET AND SET UP THE FUNDING STRING ON THE, ON THAT FUNDING. SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE, I THINK WE WOULD BE LIMITED WHEN WE RAN OUT OF MONEY IN ANY PARTICULAR YEAR, WE WILL STILL TAKE REQUESTS AND THEN WE'LL START UP AGAIN. WHEN THE FUNDING BECOMES AVAILABLE, WE DO THAT WITH MANY DEPARTMENTS AND MANY PROGRAMS. SO PEOPLE ARE GENERALLY USED TO THAT AND THAT WOULD ALSO MEET HER THE WORK SOMEWHAT TO KEEP IT MORE SANE. OKAY. I MEAN, YOU, YOU GO TO FULL CITY PARTICIPATION. I THINK YOU'LL MOVE THAT MONEY A LOT QUICKER THAN IT, THAN IT HAS IN THE PAST. UM, AGAIN, NOT, WE DO NEED TO THINK THROUGH THE STAFF IMPACT AND WHETHER THERE'S SOME HELP THERE AND MAYBE WE'LL USE SOME OF THE FUNDS TO HELP WITH THAT. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, [00:30:01] JUST LOOKING AT THE, UH, WHAT REQUESTS ARE OUTSTANDING AND IF WE'VE GOTTEN, WE'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, 183 REQUESTS SINCE 2020, YOU DO THE MATH THERE. AND, UM, IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH AT OUR CURRENT PACE TO EAT UP ALL THIS MONEY OVER THESE, THIS NUMBER OF YEARS. UH, SO IF YOU WANT TO ACCELERATE IT, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S CERTAINLY WHAT ACCELERATED YEAH, GO AHEAD. YEAH. THANKS. THANKS JET. HUH? HE'S HIDING BACK THERE WITH MICHAEL. UH, OH, CAN YOU, UH, UM, WE DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T KNOW. UH, DO WE, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WE'RE NOT QUALIFIED FOR, FOR COST REASONS. DO WE STEVE OR MICHAEL, THE IMPACT FINANCIAL, DO WE HAVE, WE DON'T TRACK THAT KIND OF INFORMATION? DO WE, MICHAEL? THE IMPACT? YEAH. TH THE NUMBER OF NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS THAT REQUESTS THAT WERE NOT, UH, UH, THEY WERE NOT FUNDED BECAUSE HE DIDN'T QUALIFY. UH, WE, WE HAVE A HISTORY OF THAT. YES. NOW, AGAIN, AS FAR AS MEASURING THE SIDEWALKS AND A TOTAL COST, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T QUALIFY, WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY PUT THAT NUMBER TO, TO ANYTHING AS FAR AS, AS, AS AGAIN, OUR INSPECTOR DIDN'T ACTUALLY MEASURE THE SIDEWALK IN THAT CASE, IF IT DOESN'T QUALIFY, WE DON'T, WE DON'T DO THE MEASURE UP AND WE JUST SAY IT. SO THERE'S NOT A DOLLAR VALUE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. WHAT I'M S I'M KIND OF ASKING YOU TO SPECULATE, BUT WHAT PERCENTAGE WOULD YOU SAY OF THE WHOLE THAT MIGHT BE BASED ON NEW YORK, YOUR EXPERTISE? I HAD SOME INFORMATION FROM PAST HISTORY THAT WE DID A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, AND WE WERE WORKING WITH, UM, I THINK AT THAT TIME IT WAS A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE AND IT VARIED FROM YEAR TO YEAR, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT PROBABLY ABOUT 45%, MAYBE 50% DID NOT PARTICIPATE OR, OR DIDN'T QUALIFY. EXCUSE ME. THEY DIDN'T QUALIFY. OKAY. OKAY. ONCE, ONCE THEY FOUND OUT FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT. OR, OR, OR, OR, OR DIDN'T ACTUALLY QUALIFY FOR THE CORRECT, BUT 45%, PROBABLY ABOUT 40, 45%. YES, SIR. WELL, BY, BASED ON OUR REQUIREMENT OR REQUESTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FOR FAR, WHAT, THAT'S PROBABLY 60 TO 65% QUALIFIED. IT LOOKS LIKE OF THE CALLS THAT WE GOT. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND ONE ON MICHAEL, W YOU'RE YOU'VE HEARD THE DISCUSSION. YOU CAN SEE IF WE GO WITH 1% CITY SPONSORSHIP, NOT HAVING TO VET APPLICANTS. WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON MICHAEL? UH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE AN UPTICK IN, IN WORK, AS FAR AS WHAT STEVE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE INSPECTOR AND GOING OUT AND MEASURING AND, AND, UH, AGAIN IS, AS JED WAS MENTIONING, THE, THE FUNDS WILL ACTUALLY BE DEPLETED RELATIVELY QUICKLY. I WOULD HONESTLY BELIEVE IN, I DON'T KNOW, AS FAR AS, UM, WHAT THIS NEW CONTRACT THAT STEVE HAS HA PUTTING ALL THAT TOGETHER AND STRATEGICALLY PLANNING IT AND TRYING TO GET THE BEST PRICE FOR THE CITY IN, IN PUTTING SOME OF THESE SIDEWALKS TOGETHER, THERE WOULD BE SOME EXTRA WORK TO PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER TO GET THE BEST CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO MAKE THE MONEY GO AS FAR AS WE CAN. SO, YEAH, THE, THE MONEY I'M ASSUMING IS IN YOUR CONTRACT IS VARIABLE FROM SO MANY SQUARE YARDS OF SO MANY SQUARE YARDS. SO YOU'D WANT TO MAXIMIZE THAT TO GET THE, THE, THE LOWEST DOLLAR AMOUNT. SO YOU'D PROBABLY TALK TO THE CONTRACTOR AND TRY TO PIECE A NUMBER OF THEM TOGETHER TO GET THE BEST COST AND THE LOWEST COST FOR THE CITY, SO THAT, SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE THE EXTEND THE FUNDS TO GO FURTHER, BUT THAT DOES TAKE TIME. AND THEN AS NEW INQUIRIES COME IN, THEY MAY BE IN THE SAME AREA. AND THEN IT'LL BE A COORDINATION ISSUE TO AT FIRST, TRY TO COORDINATE ALL OF THAT AND PUT IT ALL TOGETHER BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT PREPARED FOR IT THIS TIME, BUT WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT'S ALL GOING TO COME TOGETHER. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH IT FROM A TIMING STANDPOINT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE IDEA, RIGHT? WHAT TIMING, YOU KNOW, FOR YOUR TEAM AND FOR STEVE'S TEAM, RIGHT? WHAT KIND OF PREPARATION WITH THIS CHANGE THAT WILL TAKE FOR YOUR TEAM TO, TO IMPLEMENT THE KIND OF THING? SO WHAT KIND OF, WHAT KIND OF TOWN WOULD YOU THINK WOULD BE LOOKED AT MICHAEL WITH OUR PAST EXPERIENCE? IT WILL TAKE A NUMBER OF MONTHS TO TRY TO COORDINATE ALL THAT AND PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER. AGAIN, IT'S TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE W AND SPECULATE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME THROUGH AS SOON AS THIS GETS ADVERTISED AND GETS OUT THERE. RIGHT. THEY'RE JUST KIND OF LIKE WHEN WE CHANGED THE ORDINANCE AND THAT WE HAD ALL THESE REDUCTIONS, WHEN WE FIRST ADVERTISE IT, THERE WAS A HUGE INFLUX OF PEOPLE CALLING THEM, WANTING TO SIDEWALK, WENT INSIDE, WALKING IN, AGAIN, SOME, SOME [00:35:01] QUANTIFIED, SOME DIDN'T, AND THEN THE ONES THAT DID QUALIFY, UM, WE GOT THEM ON THE LIST AND THERE WAS A HUGE UPTICK FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS, I GUESS, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER. AND THEN OF COURSE, AS WE GOT, AS WE GOT CLOSER TO THE HOLIDAYS AND EVERYTHING IT'S SLOWER SLOWED DOWN. AND THEN WHEN IT WAS NOT AS ADVERTISED AS MUCH ON THE CITY WEBSITE, IT KIND OF, IT KIND OF REACHED AN EQUILIBRIUM WHERE WE GET THE NUMBER OF CALLS. AND AGAIN, STEVE HAD ALL THE CALLS US LAST YEAR GOING TO HIS GROUP. AND, AND THAT WAS ABOUT AVERAGE. I THINK OF WHAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST, BUT FOR AWHILE, THERE, THERE WAS ABOUT A SIX MONTH SPAN WHERE WE REALLY PEAKED. AND, UM, BUT AGAIN, WHEN IT'S FREE, I THINK THAT PEAK IS GOING TO BE EVEN A BIGGER VARIABLE THERE. THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE THAN WHAT WE ANTICIPATE. AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD STIMULATE, YES, IT'S GOING TO STIMULATE PEOPLE CALLING IN ABOUT THEIR SIDEWALK BECAUSE AS, AS YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS, IF THAT GETS CHANGED, WHEN YOU TALK TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS, YOU'RE GOING TO BE TELLING THEM ABOUT THE PROGRAM. AND IT'S AN, AND IT'S AN ADVANTAGE TO THEM. SO I HAVE A FEELING THERE'S GOING TO BE A LARGE UPSWING IN THE NUMBER NOW, HOW LONG THE FUNDS WILL LAST. THAT'S ONLY TO BE SEEN WITH HOW MANY REQUESTS COME IN. AND THAT'S KIND OF A TWO-PRONG THING ON THAT. NOT ONLY ARE THERE MORE THAT WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND INVESTIGATE, THEN IT'S A LOT MORE SIDEWALK LOCATIONS THAT ARE INSPECTORS HAVING TO INSPECT AS THEY'RE, AS THEY'RE BEING REPLACED. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY GONNA INCREASE THE WORKLOAD FOR THE INSPECTOR STAFF. ARE YOU DONE BETWEEN, UM, THANK YOU, STEVE. UM, SO I DO KNOW FROM SOME OF OUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT THE, UM, WE RAN INTO, WE, WE KIND OF HAD A, ABOUT A YEAR WHERE WE HAD A LOT OF REQUESTS, BUT THEY WEREN'T GETTING IMPLEMENTED BECAUSE OF VARIOUS THINGS. I MEAN, THE PANDEMIC, THE, THE NEW CHANGE IN HOW FINANCES WERE HANDLED. SO WE BASICALLY LOST A YEAR IN, IN RESPONDING TO THE REQUESTS. SO WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING RIGHT NOW WITH THE BACKLOG, AND I KNOW YOU'RE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS ON THAT. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO BE BEFORE. WE KIND OF LIKE CA CATCH BACK UP WHERE WE'RE DEALING WITH THEM MORE REAL TIME, BUT, UM, ANYTHING THAT WOULD CAUSE, UM, AND THIS WOULD CAUSE AN UPTICK IN REQUESTS, CERTAINLY. UM, AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT YOU COULD, YOU COULD REDUCE THAT BY SAYING IT'S ONLY CDBG AREAS THAT WE'LL GET THIS SPECIAL DEAL. UM, AND I THINK WE'VE KIND OF BEEN AROUND THAT CIRCLE SEVERAL TIMES AND SAID THAT'S, UM, THAT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE UNFORTUNATE, UM, CONSEQUENCES. SO WHAT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS TO, UM, HAVE YOU ALL GO BACK AND KIND OF TAKE YOUR TIME AND REVIEW, UH, THIS PARTICULAR SCENARIO THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AND EXACTLY, AND HAVE TIME TO REALLY FULLY THINK ABOUT IT, WHAT THE STAFF IMPLICATIONS WOULD BE, UM, AND BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO US NEXT MONTH AND REPORT BACK ABOUT THE REALITY OF HOW YOU WOULD SEE THIS. IF WE WERE TO GO THIS PARTICULAR ROUTE AND HAVE IT BE NO COST, HOW YOU WOULD SEE THAT ACTUALLY WORKING OUT FEET ON THE GROUND, UM, BECAUSE THAT MAY NOT BE PRACTICAL. UM, BUT IT WOULD BE, I THINK, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN THAT IT'S, IT'S AT LEAST AN INTRIGUING IDEA. UM, COUNCILMAN ALBAN HAS JOINED US. YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR. I JUST WANTED TO, I HAD PLANNED NOT TO SAY ANYTHING, BUT I WANTED TO JUST GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND FOR THE COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER AS THEY GO THROUGH THIS. UM, AS CHAIR OF THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE MOBILITY COMMITTEE. AND WE, THE, THE, THE PROGRAM THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AMENDING NOW WAS CAME THROUGH MY COMMITTEE ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, WE DISCUSSED THIS EXTENSIVELY. UM, AND IF IT'S IT, AND AT THAT TIME AS WE CAME OUT OF IT, UM, I HAD MENTIONED THAT, THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT SOMEDAY GO TO A 100% FUNDING MODEL. SO I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE Y'ALL CONSIDERING THAT. UH, BUT, UH, A FEW ITEMS OF CONSIDERATION ON THAT, THAT THERE WAS PUSHBACK FROM THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME, JUST GENERALLY ON THAT CONCEPT WITH THE IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS LONG BEEN THIS CONSIDERATION OF OUR SIDEWALKS AND AMENITY, OR ARE THEY A NECESSITY? ARE THEY TRANSPORTATION? AND THEY'VE LONG BEEN CONSIDERED AMENITY, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE AT THE 50 50. AND I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MORE IS STARTING TO LOOK AT THEM MORE AS A MOBILITY PIECE, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT. UM, BUT THERE WAS, THERE WAS STILL SOME PUSHBACK ON THE SENSE OF THERE'S STILL SOME ASPECT OF THIS IS A, IS AN AMENITY AND THAT THAT SIDEWALKS ARE, [00:40:01] AND I THINK THIS GETS TO WHAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERRA MENTIONED EARLIER, SIDEWALKS ARE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE AND, UH, TO THE CARE THAT NEIGHBORS TAKE OF THEIR PROPERTIES, IF SOMEBODY PLANTS A TREE NEXT TO A SIDEWALK, OR SOMEBODY DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THERE WAS A CONCEPT OF WHAT, THE 10% THAT WE LEFT THERE OF FOLKS HAVING SOME LEVEL OF SKIN IN THE GAME, AND THAT IF THERE WAS SOME TRUE NEED THAT, THAT WE COULD FIND SOME WAY TO FUND THAT REMAINING 10%. SO JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND FOR THE COMMITTEE, AS YOU GUYS GO FORWARD AND PROCESS THIS, THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU NOT TO DO A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE DID NOT DO FIRST COME. ONE OF THE REASONS WE LOOKED AT THE PROGRAM AT ALL WAS BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THE MONEY WAS GOING TO AREAS THAT DIDN'T, THAT THAT DIDN'T HAVE AS MUCH NEED. AND, AND THAT'S MY CONCERN IS THAT IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE MOST ATTUNED AND THE MOST CONNECTED TO WHAT GOES ON HERE ARE THE FIRST ONES WHO ARE GOING TO JUMP IN AND GRAB THAT POT OF MONEY. AND ON THE ONE HAND, YOU SAY, WELL, FIRST COME FIRST SERVE, BUT PEOPLE ARE MORE IMPOVERISHED AREAS MAY NOT HAVE THE TIME OR THE TECH TO PAY AS MUCH ATTENTION OR TO BE AS AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. AND THOSE ARE THE AREAS. AND THAT'S WHY WE CHOSE TO, TO RATE CDBG AREAS, TO ALLOW AN ADDITIONAL PERCENTAGE AND OTHER STUFF, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE AREAS WHERE PEOPLE ARE MOST LIKELY TO BE USING THOSE AS MOBILITY, EITHER, WHETHER IT'S TRACKS YOUR SIZE OR TO GET TO A PARK OR TO GET TO WORK. AND SO THE IDEA OF, OF, OF GOING COMPLETELY THROUGH FIRST COME FIRST SERVE. AND IT'S JUST THE SAME IDEA THAT I HAVE ABOUT, I FEEL SIMILARLY, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR WE DO THE HOME IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND BOOM, THE MONEY GOES LIKE THAT WHILE YOU START RAISING THE, THE VALUES ON THAT. AND THEN THE NEXT THING, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO HOMES THAT, YOU KNOW, W WE'RE NOT PUTTING IT IN THE PLACES THAT NEED IT THE MOST. AND SO THAT'S MY CONCERN. NOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS YOU CAN DO THAT. AND I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY, WE DO HAVE AN APPLICATION CYCLE, AS OPPOSED TO FIRST COME FIRST, SERVE THOSE APPLICATIONS, COME IN. AND SO YOU CAN SAY, LISTEN, WE'RE GOING TO COMMIT X AMOUNT OF FUNDING FOR SIDEWALKS. IT'S GOING TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT FREE, OR YOU COULD SAY, HERE'S THE BUCKET. THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT FREE AND HERE'S THE BUCKET. THAT'S 50%, I DON'T KNOW IT IN TRANCHES. AND THEN YOU CAN RATE ALL OF THOSE THAT COME IN, AND YOU CAN SAY IF IT'S IN A CDBG AREA, OR IF IT'S CONTIGUOUS WITH OTHER SIDEWALKS, OR IF IT PROVIDES IMPROVED ACCESS TO PARKS, THINGS LIKE THAT, I RECOGNIZE THAT THAT IS A LITTLE MORE INTENSIVE THAN JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER SHOWS UP AT THE DOOR FIRST GETS IT, BUT IT'S MAKING SURE THAT THAT MONEY GOES TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT, THAT REALLY THE REALLY NEEDED THE MOST. THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT BY, BY GOING TO A STRAIGHT UP FIRST COME FIRST SERVE PROGRAM, UM, THAT ULTIMATELY WE'RE GOING TO BE KIND OF DEPRIVING THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT NEED IT THE MOST. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU, CHARLIE. APPRECIATE IT. COURTESY. OKAY. UM, WITH THE COMMITTEES, UM, AGREEMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE STAFF, UH, PURSUE THIS, WHAT THE, WHAT THE REPERCUSSIONS WILL BE ON YOUR END. LET'S JUST STARTING START WITH GOING A HUNDRED PERCENT. AND THE POLICY DETAILS OF THAT. I DON'T SEE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN APPLICATION CYCLE AND FIRST COME FIRST SERVE BECAUSE THEY BOTH HAVE TIMELINES. AND, UM, SO WE WILL, WE WILL TACKLE THE ADDITIONAL POLICY PARTS OF THAT AFTER THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW JUST IMPACT, IMPACT ON STREETS AND ENGINEERING OF GOING TO A 100%. UM, AND, AND JUST FIGURED THAT THE, THE MONEY FOR EACH YEAR WILL LIKELY BE USED FOR THAT YEAR. I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU IF YOU WANT US TO JUST ASSUME THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT MONEY THAT'S ALLOCATED ON EACH YEAR, HOW MUCH EXACTLY. YEAH. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE ASSUMPTION. SO, UM, AND IF YOU CAN JUST COME BACK TO US, UM, NEXT MONTH AND JUST KIND OF FIND ALL THE, ALL THE LANDMINES THAT WE WOULD STEP ON BY TAKING THAT ROUTE AND LET US KNOW, EXCUSE ME, COUNCILMAN VERA, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YES, MA'AM GO AHEAD. MICHAEL, WHAT'D YOU SAY UP A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO FIGURE IT OUT. IT'S GOING TO TAKE A FEW MONTHS TO REALLY GET THE HANG OF W WHEN THE, WHEN THE REQUESTS COME IN AND THE FIRST WAY ABOVE THEM AND HOW MANY YOU'RE RECEIVING. UM, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE WERE SITTING HERE AND IN, AND TALKING ABOUT OUR THOUGHT OF SOME, SOME DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT I WOULD HAVE TO RUN PAST STEVE AND TALK INTERNALLY FIRST. AND SO IF, IF HIS CAUSE IT'S, THIS, PROGRAM'S KIND OF MIGRATING FROM THE ENGINEERING [00:45:01] DEPARTMENT, WE'LL STILL HAVE THE NEW SIDEWALKS AND FILLING IN THE BLANKS, BUT THE, THE SIDEWALK PARTICIPATION PROGRAMS GONE OVER TO HIS SIDE. NOW WE DO CROSS OVER WITH THE ADA REQUEST ROUTES BECAUSE HE HAS A SIDEWALK PORTION OF IT, AND WE HAVE THE RAMP PORTION OF IT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE STILL HAVE TO WORK THROUGH TOGETHER. UM, BUT I DO NOT COMMITTING FOR STEVE. I DO HAVE A FEW IDEAS THAT HAVING EXPERIENCED WITH THIS PROGRAM FOR SO MANY YEARS, I HAVE SOME IDEAS IF WE WENT THIS ROUTE. SO LET ME TALK TO STEVE ON THAT AND WE'LL COME BACK GREAT. AND I LOVE YOU HAVING IDEAS. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR. MADAM CHAIRMAN, YOU SAID, UH, NEXT MONTH, CAN WE GIVE THEM TWO MONTHS IF YOU, SO YOU CAN HIT THE ROAD? WELL, VETTING, VETTING THE INFORMATION. WE CAN PROBABLY COME UP WITH IDEAS. UM, BUT AS, AS FAR AS, AS IMPLEMENTING IT, IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE THIS IMPLEMENTATION WOULD TAKE A NUMBER OF MONTHS TO TRY TO GET EVERYONE GEARED UP FOR THE, I DON'T THINK IT'D BE UNREASONABLE THAT WE COULD PROVIDE IT, THE LANDMINES IDENTIFYING THE COST RIGHT. A MONTH AND NEXT MONTH. I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE THAT DIFFICULT TO DO NO. AND PLEASE FEEL FREE TO GET CREATIVE. AND I, I, UM, I HAVE SEEN YOU GUYS DO THAT BEFORE, AND IT'S ALWAYS EXCITING. SO, YES. GREAT. WELL, APPRECIATE THAT. UM, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO GET THAT BACK TO US NEXT MONTH, THEN WE'LL LOOK TO HEAR FROM YOU THEN, AND THEN WE'LL START, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU BRING BACK, WE'LL START HAMMERING AWAY AT SOME OF THESE OTHER, UH, THE DETAILS. AND, AND CERTAINLY IF THIS, UM, IF THIS GOES, IF THIS CLEARS COUNCIL IN SOME SHAPE AND FORM, CERTAINLY THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A, A LENGTHY RUN UP TIME FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM AND GET ALL THOSE THINGS WORKING CORRECTLY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, JED, ARE YOU PRESENTING ABOUT SPEED HUMPS? NO, I THINK THAT'S YOU WELCOME. YOU WERE BACK THERE BEHIND A BUNCH OF TALL PEOPLE AND TALL CHAIRS, SO, AND I'M SITTING LOW ENOUGH. I DID NOT EVEN SEE YOU. ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. UM, JUST EIGHT F F F. PERFECT. OKAY, AWESOME. SO A COUPLE OF HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS FIRST AND FOREMOST, I'D LIKE TO THANK STEVE FOR GOING FIRST. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND SECOND, UM, I OBVIOUSLY AM NOT PAUL LUKEY. UM, HE'S MUCH TALLER THAN I AM IF YOU ALL DIDN'T KNOW THAT NOTICE. UM, ACTUALLY PAUL IS AT A CONFERENCE THIS WEEK AND WE DID NOT WANT TO DELAY THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING. SO I TOLD HIM THAT I WOULD STEP IN AND TRY MY BEST. SO BEAR WITH ME. UM, SO AS STEVE TALKED ABOUT, WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT FUNDING OPTIONS FOR, YOU KNOW, BOTH SIDEWALKS AND SPEED HUMPS. AND I AM GOING TO TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SPEED HUMPS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE S THE SLIDE IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S SOME SPEED HUMP DATA FROM THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AND THAT COVERS 2018 THROUGH 2022. AND LOOKING AT THAT, UM, AND WE'LL JUST SKIP OVER TO THE TOTAL COLUMN KISS. THIS IS JUST, UM, INFORMATION THAT I'D LIKE TO GO OVER. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL COLUMN, UM, AND WE HAD 126 INITIAL CALLS OR INQUIRIES TO INSTALL SPEED HUMPS, AND THOSE 126, WE ACTUALLY DID NINE SPEED STUDIES. KEEP IN MIND THAT THE SPEED STUDIES WERE ONLY IMPLEMENTED IN LATE 2021. SO THERE WERE SEVEN DONE IN 2021, AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL TWO THAT HAD BEEN DONE UP TO, I THINK THIS GOES THROUGH MARCH OF THIS YEAR. SO WE'VE HAD TWO SO FAR THIS YEAR FOR TOTAL OF NINE. UM, THE, THE COST OF THE SPEED STUDIES IS ABOUT $440 PER STUDY FOR A TOTAL OF ABOUT $4,000 OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS. YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE THAT WE HAVE 10 SURVEYS THAT WERE SENT OUT OVER THE COURSE OF THE FIVE YEARS, AND IT'S KIND OF ODD SEEING THE 10 SURVEYS SENT OUT AND NINE SPEED STUDIES. BUT REMEMBER THE SPEED STUDIES WERE ONLY IMPLEMENTED IN LATE 2021. AND THE NUMBER OF SURVEYS SENT OUT COVERS THE ENTIRE FIVE-YEAR PERIOD. UM, IF WE HAD DONE, EXCUSE ME, IF WE HIT DONE SPEED STUDIES FOR ALL OF THE NUMBER OF INQUIRIES, WE WOULD HAVE BASICALLY SPENT $55,000 IN SPEED [00:50:01] STUDIES OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THAT'S 126 AT ABOUT 440 PER. SO WHAT DOES ALL OF THIS MEAN? BASICALLY 7% OF THE 126 TOTAL INQUIRIES HAVE MOVED FROM INITIAL CONTACT TO THE ACTUAL SURVEY AND OF THOSE SEVEN OF THAT 7%, ONLY ABOUT 50% HAVE ACTUALLY MOVED TO IMPLEMENTATION. AND I'M GOING TO GO BACK. IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL NUMBER WE HAVE, WE HAVE ACTUALLY INSTALLED FIVE IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, AND OF THOSE FIVE, TWO WERE ACTUALLY REQUESTED BY GIRL IN POLICE DEPARTMENT, JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. INTERESTING. SO THE CURRENT FUNDING DISCOUNTS THAT WE HAVE, UH, THE FULL COST OF A SPEED HUMP IS ABOUT $1,400. AND THE CITIZEN CURRENTLY FUNDS 50% OF THAT COST OR APPROXIMATELY $700. SO WE ARE PROPOSING AN ADDITIONAL 25% DISCOUNT TO AREAS THAT ARE LOCATED IN THE CDBG BOUNDARIES. AND WOULD THAT 25% DISCOUNT, IT WOULD BASICALLY REDUCE THE COST FROM $700, WHICH IS A CITIZEN PORTION TO ABOUT $350. AND THAT IS AVERAGED OVER ABOUT 30 HOMES. THAT'S TYPICALLY THE IMPACT WHEN YOU PUT A SPEED HUMP IN BECAUSE YOU GO 500 FEET IN EITHER DIRECTION OF THE PLANNED SPEED HUMP. IT TYPICALLY COVERS ABOUT 30 PROPERTIES. SO THIS AVERAGES OUT TO ABOUT $12 PER HOME, AS I STAYED AT THE CURRENT POLICY IS THAT THE CITIZEN MAKES THE REQUEST. UM, AND THAT'S THE LOCATION. THE NUMBER OF HUMPS THAT THEY'RE WANTING THE CITY LOOKS AT THE D AT THE ELIGIBILITY, UM, IS A SPEED STUDY REQUIRED. SO OUR CURRENT POLICY IS THAT WE DO SPEED, SPEED STUDIES ON ALL INQUIRIES. THAT IS OUR CURRENT POLICY. UM, WE LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE DRAINAGE ISSUES, UM, SPACING TO INTERSECTIONS, MANHOLES, FIRE HYDRANTS, ANY KIND OF, ANY KIND OF AMENITIES OR PERTINENT SAYS THAT ARE LOCATED OUT THERE. AND THEN THIS ALSO INCLUDES TYPE F OR G STREETS, WHICH AS WE KNOW, INCLUDES COLLECTORS, THEN THE CITY PROVIDES A SURVEY FORM AND IT IS UP TO THE RESIDENT OR THE CITIZEN WHO HAS MADE THE REQUEST TO OBTAIN 80% APPROVAL OF THE CITIZENS THAT ARE AFFECTED. AND THEN IT IS UP TO THE CITIZEN TO ALSO PROVIDE, UM, THE PAYMENT OF $700 PER SPEED HOP. ONCE THE CITY RECEIVES ALL OF THAT, WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, THE CITY, THE CITY INSTALLS THE SPEED HUMPS, AND IT IS MAINTAINED BY THE CITY AT THAT TIME. SO THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY RECOMMENDING IS THAT THERE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL DISCOUNT THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR AREAS, UM, IN CDBG, WHICH WOULD BE THAT ADDITIONAL 25%. WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH THE EXACT SAME POLICY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ADDITIONAL 25% OFF, WHICH WOULD MAKE THOSE SPEED HUMPS. AS I STAYED AT ABOUT $350 OR $12 PER A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. AND I'M GOING TO SAY THIS WITH TREPIDATION, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TRY AND ANSWER THOSE AT THIS TIME. VERY WELL DONE, UH, COMMITTEE, DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOING ON. UM, I HAVE A COUPLE, SO JUST MAKING SURE THE 80% APPROVAL OF CITIZENS, UM, DO THOSE HAVE TO BE THE HOMEOWNERS WE HAVE IN MY DISTRICT, AT LEAST I HAVE A LOT OF RENTAL HOMES AND I BELIEVE IT IS. AND I'M JUST GONNA LOOK THROUGH MY NOTES HERE REALLY QUICKLY ON THE SURVEY. I BELIEVE THAT'S THE WAY IT'S ALWAYS BEEN. THAT IS JUST REALLY DIFFICULT IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE HEAVILY RENTAL BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE SOMETIMES OUT OF STATE, OUT OF COUNTRY AND YET, AND THEY DON'T CARE. SO IN THE ACTUAL, UM, POLICY, IT STATES SIGNATURE OF RESIDENTS. OKAY. RESIDENT, IT DOES NOT SAY PROPERTY OWNER SPECIFICALLY. IT MAKES IT EASIER. UM, OKAY. AND ONE THING, AND I'VE, I HAVE RUN INTO THIS BEFORE A COMMITTEE WITH, UM, STREETLIGHT REQUESTS. UM, WHEN, WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE NEIGHBORS WANT TO HAVE A NEW STREET LIGHT ADDED, UH, WE HAVE REQUIRED THEM TO GO THROUGH A VERY SIMILAR PETITION PROCESS WHERE THEY HAVE TO WALK A PETITION AROUND AND GET X PERCENT OF THEIR NEIGHBORS TO SIGN THAT THEY ACTUALLY WANT A STREETLIGHT. IT DOESN'T COST MONEY IN THAT CASE. BUT, UM, [00:55:01] WHAT THIS, WHAT THIS HAS, HAS CREATED ARE SITUATIONS WHERE I HAVE, UM, YOUNG WOMEN OR OLD WOMEN OR GUYS WHO ARE NOT PARTICULARLY COMFORTABLE GOING AROUND AND KNOCKING ON DOORS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THEY ONLY KNOW A COUPLE PEOPLE AND THEY ARE JUST NOT COMFORTABLE KNOCKING ON DOORS. SO I KNOW DURING THE PANDEMIC, THIS CAME UP WITH A STREETLIGHT REQUEST AND WE MAILED THE INFORMATION INSTEAD OF MAKING A CITIZEN, WALKING IT AROUND THAT'S GPL. BUT I HAVE THAT SAME CONCERN WITH THIS POLICY BECAUSE WE BASICALLY ARE MAKING PEOPLE PHYSICALLY GO. AND I MEAN, YOU, IN ONE WAY, YOU COULD SAY, IT'S REALLY GOOD. IT MAKES THEM GET TO KNOW THEIR NEIGHBORS, BUT, UH, THERE ARE GOOD MANY PEOPLE THAT'S WHERE THE STOPS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT COMFORTABLE DOING IT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THERE'S A BETTER WAY, IF WE COULD DO WHAT WE, UM, WHAT WE DID WITH STREETLIGHTS, AT LEAST DURING THE PANDEMIC, IF WE COULD TAKE IT UPON OURSELVES TO MAIL, UM, THE INFORMATION TO THE HOMES TO BE THROWN AWAY AND IGNORED FOR THE MOST PART, BUT TO AT LEAST, UM, AT LEAST HAVE SOME ASSISTANCE. YOU, I MEAN, ESPECIALLY IF IT GETS DOWN TO WHERE IT'S ONLY 12 BUCKS A HOUSE, THERE ARE A LOT OF EVEN RENTERS WHO WOULD PAY 12 BUCKS TO GET A STRAIGHT HUMP PUT IN. SO WHEN IT GETS DOWN TO THAT LEVEL, UM, OR EVEN DOUBLE THAT, FRANKLY, IF IT'S $25 AND, AND IT, AND THEY SEE IT'S COMING FROM US, THAT'S ANOTHER THING. WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY YOU DON'T KNOW WHO SAYS, THEY'RE A NEIGHBOR AND THEY COME TO YOUR DOOR AND THEY'RE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT COLLECTING MONEY. UM, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, SCAMMERS OUT THERE. SO COMMITTEE, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT US PURSUING A POLICY TO MOVE THIS FROM CITIZENS, WALKING DOOR TO DOOR, TO PUTTING MORE THE ONUS ON US, TO MAIL THESE THINGS OUT BJ, I'M SURE TO PICK UP ON THAT. I THINK THIS MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO TO USE TECHNOLOGY. A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS AND COMPANIES ARE GOING TO ELECTRONIC SIGNATURES TODAY. THEY WERE SENDING OUT INFORMATION DOCUMENTS. THERE IS A PROGRAM WHERE YOU CAN SEE THAT DOCUMENT AND IT'S, IT'S A CARROT IT'S, IT'S VETTED, AND YOU CAN SEE THE DOCUMENT. YOU CAN ACTUALLY FILL THE DOCUMENT OUT ONLINE. I KNOW THAT TECHNOLOGY IS OUT THERE. THAT'S AN OPTION IN ADDITION TO MAILING HARD COPIES. SO PERHAPS WE COULD EXPLORE WITH OUR RT FOLK, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, COULD LOOK AT, BECAUSE THAT IS A TECHNOLOGY THAT'S, THAT'S OUT THERE. HOPE THAT'S, HE'S GOING, WHERE'S PAUL NOW SHE'S OUT THERE, BUT JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON, I THINK WE CAN, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING, CAUSE YOU MAKE A VERY GOOD POINT. UH, PARTICULARLY WITH RINGS. PEOPLE ARE VERY APPREHENSIVE ABOUT KNOCKING ON SPOT OF JOSEPH. SO I THINK IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I THINK WE SHOULD EXPLORE WITH OUR ART FOLK, HOW WE CAN MAYBE COME INTO THE 21ST CENTURY AND USE TECHNOLOGY TO, TO COVER SOME OF THESE SIX, WAIT A MINUTE. NO, NO. SHE KNEW SOME OF THOSE THINGS. SO, SO THAT'S OUT THAT, THAT'S MY SUGGESTION. UM, BUT IF I BET IF I MAY, SO I COULD, ALL OF MY QUESTIONS IN ONE TERM, UM, MR. MR. NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY, HE'S SITTING THERE AND HE'S VERY COMFORTABLE. UM, I, YOU KNOW, SENATOR SCOTT. YEAH. YEAH. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU. AND WE TALK ABOUT, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT CDBG AREAS. OKAY. AND SORT OF PIGGYBACK ON, ON, UH, UM, REMARKS FROM COUNCILMAN AUBURN. WE'VE GOT SOME AREAS IN OUR CITY THAT I DON'T KNOW, ALL THE CDBG AREAS. ONE, I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW YOU DO AND YOU SLEEP, BUT THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT I BELIEVE HAVE NEEDS THAT MAY NOT BE QUOTE A FISH EQUALLY IN THAT TURN. AM I CORRECT? AND SO HOW WOULD, IF THEY'RE NOT IN AS DEFINED CDBG AREAS, HOW DO YOU THINK THEY CAN OR SHOULD PARTICIPATE? I'M LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED POLICY CHANGE HERE NOW, HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY REACH THOSE FOLK [01:00:01] THAT ARE NOT IN MEETS THE DEFINITION OF IT? CAN YOU ENLIGHTEN ME ON THAT? I DON'T HAVE A SEPARATE DESIGNATION FOR NEED OTHER THAN CDBG. SO I DON'T HAVE NOTHING COMES TO MIND IS AS FAR AS DESIGNATED AREAS THAT AREN'T DESIGNATED IN THAT WAY. UM, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, WITH, WITH SPEED HUMPS, UM, FOR SOME OF THE SAME REASONS, UM, SOME OF THE POLICY CHANGE FOR THE MATCHING GRANT, UM, DIDN'T ALLOW SPEED HUMPS AT THE TIME. UM, BUT I MEAN, I SUPPOSE THAT CAN BE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION. UM, IT'S JUST SOMETHING I WASN'T PREPARED TO TAKE. AND I KNOW I, I PUT YOU ON THE SPOT DIDN'T MEAN TO DO THAT, BUT, BUT I'M JUST, JUST SIT, YOU'RE SITTING THERE JUST TO IDEAS. I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT. I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED AN ANSWER NOW TODAY. I WILL SAY THE CDBG AREAS ARE VERY COMPREHENSIVE THOUGH. THEY COVER, UH, I KNOW THEY COVERED A LOT OF AREAS, BUT I KNOW IN MINE WE'VE GOT, I'VE GOT SEVERAL VERY COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT OUR TOWN HAS VERY TIGHT AND THEY'RE NOT, I DON'T LIKE THE FAIR OR IN THE CDBG AREAS, BUT THEY'RE VERY COMPLICATED AND THERE THERE'S SOME NEEDS THERE. SURE. OKAY. IT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THIS DOC PROCESS, UM, AND I KNOW YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT A LISTING AND MAPS AND ALL THAT, OF WHERE THEY ARE. RIGHT. COULD YOU SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH MADAM CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO, TO SEE THAT. CAN YOU SHARE WITH US AS I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT AS, AS WE CONSIDER THIS PROPOSED POLICY, UH, MADAM CHAIR, WHO WILL BE HELPFUL? SO, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND I WILL SAY THAT THERE IS CDBG IS A, IS A VERY SPECIFIC, AND IT'S PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE, DEFINED AREA OF NEED. WE WILL NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER BE ABLE TO PINPOINT EVERY NEEDY HOME IN THIS CITY. SO THAT IS TO ME, I THINK IF WE TRY TO GO BEYOND CDBG AND DEFINING WHERE NEEDS ARE, WE'RE GOING TO DRIVE OURSELVES AND PROBABLY EVERYBODY ELSE CRAZY THERE ISN'T ANOTHER, IT WOULD NOT BE FAIR. AND EVEN HANDED TO TRY TO JUST FREELANCE IS THAT WOULD BE US SITTING DOWN WITH INDIVIDUALS AND TRYING TO ASSESS THEIR FINANCIAL STATE THAT WOULD GET PRETTY STICKY PRETTY FAST. NO, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT AFTER GOING GLOBAL, IF YOU WILL, WITH THIS, I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. YEAH. WE CAN GET THAT TO YOU. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S MY THING. I, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY, WHERE THEY ARE, AND IT WOULD BE HELPFUL AS WE CONSIDER THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE POLICY. I JUST WANT TO NOTE, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACT OF WHATEVER DECISION WE MAKE ON, I WANT TO KNOW THE IMPACT, THAT DECISION ON CONSTITUENTS, WHEREVER THEY ARE. SO THAT'S WHY I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT MAP. OKAY. WE'LL GET THAT TO YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I, I AGREE WITH, UM, DOWN SOME AWAY, I THINK WE SHOULD PUT IT IN, UM, IN, UM, THE, UM, UH, SEND IT IN ON THE REPORT. YOU KNOW, THE, WHEN YOU SEND THE BILLS, YOU CAN SEND THE INFORMATION AND BILL MAY IT IN ANOTHER ONE. I AGREE WITH HIM, WHICH HAD PUT IT IN THE INTERNET, NOT THE INTERNET, BUT YOU KNOW, OUR CITY WHERE THEY CAN GET THE, UH, THE FORM AND THEY CAN FILL IT OUT. AND IT'S A LOT EASIER FOR THE ONES THAT USE COMPUTERS. YES. AND, UH, I, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS. I UNDERSTAND, CAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING I HAVE BEEN PRIVATELY SNAPPING AT EVERYBODY'S HEELS OVER FOR A VERY LONG TIME IS GETTING MORE OF OUR THINGS THAT ARE ONLINE ACCESSIBLE INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF MAKING PEOPLE GO STAND IN LINE AT COUNTERS, UM, AND BEING ABLE TO DO ONLINE PAYMENTS WITHOUT CHARGING ARMS AND LEGS. SO A LOT OF OUR TECHNOLOGY AND I, I HEAR THAT WE ARE CLOSING IN, ON THAT JUDD. I HEAR THAT SOMEBODY'S A UTILITY BILLING THAT AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND BI AND PERMITTING EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. I WANT TO SEE GO ONLINE. I LOVE E-SIGNATURES. I LOVE PAYMENTS POOR YOU. I KNOW YOU WISH PAUL WAS HERE, BUT, UM, NO, AND I, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. AND, AND I AM VERY AGAINST ALL THE PAPER SHUFFLING WHERE I STILL HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE I HAVE INVESTMENT HOMES. AND THE ONLY WAY FOR ME TO REREGISTER THE HOMES EVERY YEAR IS A PAPER MAILED THING THAT I HAVE TO FILL OUT WITH PAPER [01:05:01] AND MAIL, A PAPER CHECK, AND EVERY TIME IT ANNOYS ME, SO I'M ALL OVER IT. I AGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU, WHAT ARE WE GONNA, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA PAY TO, UH, TO PAY IT ONLINE, THE SABAN GASOLINE TO THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. GOT IT. SO, UM, SO SCOTT IS GOING TO SCOTT OR JET, OR BOTH OF YOU ARE GOING TO GET OUT ON TO EVERYONE ON THE COMMITTEE, THE MAP OF CDBG AREAS, UM, SO THAT WE ALL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT'S ALMOST MY WHOLE DISTRICT, SO IT'S PRETTY EASY FOR ME, BUT, UM, AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UM, LET'S BRING THIS BACK WITH, WITH, UM, SIDEWALKS. DO YOU NEED MORE TIME? DO YOU NEED MORE TIME THAN A MONTH NOW? I DON'T THINK SO. JUST, UM, TO CLARIFY ACTION ITEMS WHEN EXPLORE ONLINE ACCESS TO THE SURVEYS AND MAILING OUT THE SURVEYS INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM TO GO DOOR TO DOOR. RIGHT. SO I, I REALLY DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR US TO EXPLORE THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THANK YOU FOR THE, UH, THE PROPOSED POLICY AND THAT MOVES US A STEP FORWARD. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ITEM THREE, DISCUSS FOOD SERVICE, RENEWAL DISCOUNTS BASED ON HEALTH INSPECTIONS, SCORES. UM, JASON, ARE YOU STILL IN HERE? ARE YOU FALLING ASLEEP? THERE YOU GO. THAT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE REALLY PRACTICED AT LONG AND DETAILED. UM, I KNOW YOU OF COURSE KNOW DIANA, OUR DIRECTOR OF HEALTH AND IN LOT OF THE TOPIC THAT YOU ALL ARE DISCUSSING TONIGHT, I ASKED DIANA TO PREPARE A VERY BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF A CURRENT, UM, DISCOUNT THAT THE TOP PERFORMING ESTABLISHMENT BY SCORE OR RECEIVE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. I THINK YOU ALL GOT IT VIA EMAIL, BUT I'VE ASKED DIANA TO RUN THROUGH THAT JUST VERY QUICKLY TO IS A BIT OF BACKGROUND TO HELP YOU ALL WITH A DISCUSSION. GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL. UM, VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION HERE. UM, THE FIRST, UH, THE HANDOUT THAT WE GOT YOU, THE FIRST PART OF IT, IT, UM, PUTS OUR FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS INTO 12 DIFFERENT CLASSES AND GIVES A BRIEF DEFINITION OF THE, UM, CLASSES WITH EXAMPLES OF, UM, THE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THAT CLASSIFICATION. AND THEN THERE'S A FOOD SERVICE AWARD ORDINANCE THAT'S BEEN AROUND. JASON SAYS IT'S PRIOR TO HIM. SO AT LEAST 22 AND A HALF YEARS. SO IT'S BEEN AN ORDINANCE FOR A VERY LONG TIME. UM, AND IT'S VERY BRIEF. IT JUST BASICALLY SAYS THAT FIXED FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, UM, ARE RANKED THEIR AVERAGE SCORES. AND THE TOP 5% FOR EACH CLASS CLASSIFICATION ARE AWARDED, UM, THEY'RE FREE PERMIT FOR THE FOLLOWING ANNUAL YEAR FOR THEM. AND, UM, AND THE ONLY DISQUALIFIER IS IF THERE'S A CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP OR, UM, A NAME CHANGE AND THEY WOULD JUST BE DISQUALIFIED. THE WINNERS ARE DETERMINED AFTER THE FISCAL YEAR. UM, THEY ARE PUT ON THE WEBSITE, THEY ARE LISTED IN THE CITY PRESS AND, UM, THERE'S A CERTIFICATE THAT'S MADE UP AND WE HAND DELIVER THEM THE CERTIFICATE. AND THEN WHEN THEY GO TO RENEW THEIR ANNUAL PERMIT, UM, THEY, UM, WILL BE, THEY WON'T HAVE TO HAVE PAY THE FEE. AND SO OUR ACTIVE PERMITS RIGHT NOW, THE FOLLOWING THE, THE DIAGRAM ON THE BOTTOM THERE LISTS EACH CLASS, THE FEES FOR THE, THEIR ANNUAL PERMITS AND HOW MANY ACTIVE PERMITS WE CURRENTLY HAVE. UM, SO WHEN WE DETERMINE THOSE WINNERS, THE AVERAGE AMOUNT THAT THE, THAT AWARD PROGRAM COST IS ABOUT 20 RIGHT NOW WOULD BE ABOUT $26,500 IN, IN, UM, PERMITS THAT WE AWARD OUT. UM, THE NEXT, UM, DOCUMENT IS BASICALLY OUR 2019 AWARD WINNERS. UM, THAT'S WHAT GOES ON THE WEBSITE AND ON THE GARLAND CITY PRESS. UM, AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE 2019 AWARDS. WE DID NOT HAVE 2020 AWARDS BECAUSE WE WEREN'T BASICALLY IN THE RESTAURANTS, INSPECTING THEM DURING, DURING JASON'S COVID TIMES. UM, SO, UM, THAT LISTS THEM, IT LISTS THEIR NAMES AND THEIR, THEIR SCORE, AND THAT LISTED ALL OF THE CLASSIFICATIONS THAT WERE AWARDED. AND THEN IT'S JUST A BASIC EXAMPLE OF THE AWARD THAT WE GIVE OUT. UM, WE JUST BASICALLY TAKE THIS EXCELLENT, UM, EXCELLENCE AND PRESENT THEM THE AWARD AND [01:10:01] HAND DELIVER THAT TO THEM. AND THAT'S BASICALLY ALL I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. WELL, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, AND THIS IS SOMETHING I ALREADY ASKED JASON PRIVATELY UP UNTIL NOW, AND INCLUDING NOW, UM, MOBILE FOOD TRUCKS AND TRAILERS HAVE NOT BEEN A CLASS THAT HAD BEEN ELIGIBLE FOR THIS PROGRAM, CORRECT? YES MA'AM. OKAY. SO IN ONE OF THE HANDOUTS, YOU GAVE US FOOD ESTABLISHMENT DEFINITIONS. I SEE A DEFINITION OF A CLASS, 10 FOOD SERVICE COMPRISED OF MOBILE FOOD TRUCKS AND MOBILE FOOD TRAILERS. AND, BUT WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE AWARD WINNERS, UM, YEAH, THERE'S NO CLASS 10 BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. RIGHT. SO MY STATES FOR FIT, FIXED FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS. SO THAT WOULD NEED TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE IF IT WAS THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL TO INCLUDE THOSE. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'M LOOKING AT THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I'M, I'M NOT GUESSING THAT WOULD BE THAT DIFFICULT TO CHANGE. OKAY. UM, ONE THING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IS THE MOBILE UNITS THAT THEY DON'T OPERATE. THEY COULD BE VERY LIMITED IN THEIR, THEIR OPERATION TIMES AND DAYS. AND SO TO ACTUALLY CATCH THEM AND DO THE INSPECTION MAY ELIMINATE SOME OF THEM, THEY DON'T CALL IT FIVE. WE, THEY ONLY COME TO TWO OR THREE EVENTS DURING THE YEAR. THEN WE, WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET THEM INSPECTED. OKAY. BUT OUR, OUR FOOD TRUCKS AND TRAILERS WHO ARE VERY ROBUST PARTICIPANTS IN THE CITY, THEY WOULD BE IN SAND. AND THESE ARE BASED ON SURPRISE INSPECTIONS. CORRECT. RIGHT. OKAY. SO THE ONES THAT YOU SHOW UP AND THEY HAVE GOOD SCORES. YEAH. SO THIS, THE ONLY REASON THEY WERE NOT ALREADY INCLUDED IS JUST BECAUSE OF THE WORD FIXED. YES. MA'AM. AND THAT ORDINANCE HAS NOT CHANGED IN MY TIME AS A CITY EMPLOYEE. I THINK THIS PROGRAM GOES BACK MORE THAN 30 YEARS. I'VE FOUND SOME DOCUMENTS THAT FROM THE LATE NINETIES, BUT, UM, I'M SURE WE CAN ALL MAKE ASSUMPTIONS AS TO WHY THAT WAS EXCLUDED FROM THE PROGRAM. BUT, UM, AS I SAID, IT'S BEEN UNCHANGED, UH, AT LEAST FOR 22 AND A HALF YEARS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COMMITTEE, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? THIS APPEARS TO ME TO BE A FAIRLY SIMPLE THING THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED, WHICH I WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN WASN'T FIXED AND TILL I ASKED. YEP. OKAY. UM, SO IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, OR WE AGREED THAT, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE BROUGHT BACK TO US THAT WOULD REMOVE THE WORD FIXED FROM THE, UM, ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO OFFER THESE, UM, THESE DISCOUNTS AND AWARDS SO THAT THEY, MOBILE FOOD TRUCKS AND TRAILERS WOULD BE ELIGIBLE HENCE FORTH. YES. YES. HI, BRIAN, CAN YOU GET THAT ORDINANCE WRITTEN AND BRING IT BACK TO US NEXT MONTH? I THINK THAT WILL BE A VERY, UH, QUICK AND EASY ONE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS. ALRIGHT. ITEM FOUR IS TO DISCUSS RELATION OF FOOD TRUCKS AND TRAILERS. AND I, I S WE HAVE TWO GUESTS WITH US. OH, WELL, OH, YOU DON'T NEED ME I'M OVER HERE. WELL, WE ALWAYS NEED YOU, YOU KNOW, JUST IF NOTHING ELSE TO HARASS. SO, UM, SO WE HAVE NICK FIVE ASH, UM, WHO IS THE OWNER OPERATOR OF KONA ICE, WHICH IS A FRANCHISE. AND I THINK NICK, YOU HAVE FOUR. YES MA'AM. OKAY. UM, AND WE HAVE CHASSIDY LLEWELLYN WHO HAS A, UM, HAS THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS FIFTH AVENUE NUTRITION THAT HAS NOW RECENTLY, UM, TRANSITIONED INTO FIFTH AVENUE, TRUCK YARD AS WELL. OKAY. UM, IF YOU ALL WOULD, AM I MISSING ANYBODY ELSE? I CAN'T SEE AROUND CHAIRS. OKAY. WOULD YOU TWO MIND GOING AHEAD AND COMING UP HERE AND HAVING A SEAT, WE'RE GOING TO SHOW A VIDEO THAT, UM, CHRISTINA PROVIDED HERE IN A MINUTE, BUT WE CAN SEE IT OVER YOUR HEADS. WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS. OH YEAH. YEAH. OH, I'M SO EXCITED. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. AND COMMITTEE, I WANT YOU TO, JUST TO, BEFORE YOU TURN THE VIDEO ON, UM, THE VIDEO, YOU'RE GETTING READY TO SEE, IT'S VERY SHORT, IT'S 30 SECONDS. I HAVE MET ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE GONE AS WE'VE BEEN WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH THE MATRIX. UM, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT, UM, DISTANCE FROM BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANTS. THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE, PROBABLY HIGHEST POINTS OF CONTENTION. AND I HAVE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE AND ASKED, OKAY, WOULD THIS AFFECT YOU FOOD TRUCK OPERATORS? WOULD THIS AFFECT YOU? WOULD THIS AFFECT YOU? AND [01:15:01] IT'S BEEN NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. ALL THE WAY DOWN THE LINE. BINGO UNTIL CHRISTINA, UM, CONTACTED ME AND THEY WERE INVITED TO VEND FROM A, IT'S A, UM, A PARKING LOT THAT HAS A LOT OF FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS AROUND. AND SHE DID A 360 FOR ME SHOWING THE DISTANCE FROM WHAT WOULD QUALIFY AS BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANTS. OKAY. AND I I'M LOOKING AT IT. IT'S SOMETHING I WANTED. I WANTED US TO SEE, BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW PLACES I'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND THAT A REAL LIFE SITUATION WHERE IT WOULD BE THE, IT WOULD HIT THE TRIPWIRE WITH AT LEAST WITH A 200 FEET. AND AS SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES HAVE 20 FEET, THEY HAVE 300 FEET. THEY HAVE ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT FEET, UM, UNLESS CONSENT AND LESS CONSENT. BUT THIS ONE, I THINK, WELL, I THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S WORTH US SEEING. SO IF YOU WOULD ROLL IT AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WATCH FAST, IT'S ONLY 30 SECONDS. SO THIS IS FROM WHERE THEIR, UM, THEIR TRUCK WOULD BE PARKED. AND THIS IS A 360 VIEW JUST TURNING AROUND FROM THERE AND JUST KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR RESTAURANTS. AND AGAIN, CONSIDER THAT THE DRAFT WAS ROUGHLY 200 FEET. THAT'S PROBABLY MORE THAN 200 FEET. THAT'S PROBABLY NOT. OKAY. SO THIS IS A, UH, A SHOPPING STRIP WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT BUSINESSES AND MAKES SENSE. THIS WAS YOUR WIFE WHO TOOK THIS VIDEO. DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT? OR DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY AT THAT'S A CATERED EVENT WITH SMILEY TOOTH, THEY PREPAID FOR CUSTOMER APPRECIATION. SO WE COME OUT FOR X AMOUNT OF TIME, GIVE OUT X AMOUNT OF CUPS TO THEIR CUSTOMERS. AND RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE RIGHT IS A MEXICAN FOOD RESTAURANT. THEY DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY NEVER EVER SAY ANYTHING. WE'VE DONE IT MANY TIMES, BUT THAT IS ONE OF OUR CONCERNS IS BASICALLY HAVING TO GET WRITTEN PERMISSION FROM THEM. AND THERE, THERE ARE, AS YOU CAN SEE OTHER RESTAURANTS IN THE VICINITY, THAT'S A WATER BURGER RIGHT BEHIND US. AND I THINK THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHERS, BUT THE MEXICAN RESTAURANT IS RIGHT THERE. UM, I THINK, UH, PREVIOUSLY WE ALSO DISCUSSED, UH, LA FAMILIA DOES BASICALLY THE SAME THING AND RIGHT NEXT DOOR, IT'S RIGHT THERE ON BROADWAY AND RIGHT NEXT DOOR IS A MEXICAN RESTAURANT. SO THAT WAS OUR CONCERN. ALRIGHT. AND COMMITTEE, YOU HAVE THE, UM, THE MATRIX IS, THAT'S NOW GROWN TO TWO PAGES BECAUSE, UM, THEY ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL CITIES. DID YOU ALL GET A COPY OF THIS? THIS IS, THIS IS UPDATED. UH, KEVIN, WOULD YOU MIND HANDING THAT TO THEM? YES. UM, LET ME MAKE A QUICK CLARIFICATION ON THE DRAFT ORDINANCE. OKAY. THE 200 FEET DISTANCE IS FOR THIS CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. SO IF IT'S A SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR IF IT'S AN ASP, IF IT'S SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT, THEN THAT DOES NOT APPLY. BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, YOU'LL SEE IN SUBSECTION SEVEN, YOU HAVE SUBSECTIONS EIGHT THROUGH F THAT APPLY TO WHAT QUALIFIES YOU FOR A CEO. AND SO UNLESS HE WAS WANTING TO PERMANENTLY OCCUPY THAT SPACE AND WORK THERE, THEN YES, THAT WOULD, IF IT FALLS WITHIN THE 200 FEET, HE WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR A CEO, BUT HE WOULD STILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT JUST TO CLARIFICATION. RIGHT. AND WAS THAT, AND YOU ALSO USED THE WORD CATERING. SO WAS THAT A SPECIAL EVENT? WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT NEEDED TO BE PERMITTED? NO. OKAY. UM, NOT AT THIS TIME. YEAH. AND WE HAVE OUR ANNUAL HEALTH PERMIT. YEAH. SO YEAH, THAT'S, OUR CONCERN IS HAVING TO GET SPECIAL PERMISSION FOR EVERY TYPE OF EVENT LIKE THAT. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT WOULD NOT APPLY AT ALL. THAT WOULD NOT, WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. THE 200 FEET ONLY APPLIES. IF YOU NEED A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT, IT DOES NOT APPLY. IF YOU I'M SORRY, I GOT IT BACKWARDS. IT DOES NOT APPLY. IF YOU NEED A SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT, IT ONLY APPLIES IF YOU'RE WANTING TO PERMANENTLY PLACE YOUR TRUCK ON A LOCATION ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND YOU HAVE TO GET, AND THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY HAS TO GET A CEO, HAS TO AMEND HIS CEO IN ORDER TO DO THAT. HE WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO AMEND HIS CEO IF, UM, THE LOCATION OF YOUR TRUCK WAS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE FRONT DOOR OF A BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANT. RIGHT. SO, SO IN OTHER WORDS, [01:20:01] IF THIS IS SOMEPLACE THAT YOU WERE REGULARLY GOING, AND THIS WAS PART OF WHAT YOU WOULD TURN OVER, WHEN YOU GET YOUR HEALTH PERMIT, YOUR REGULAR SCHEDULE, THIS IS SOMEPLACE YOU WOULD BE REGULARLY OPERATING, THEN THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THE PREVIOUS DRAFT ORDINANCE. IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A SPECIAL EVENT, IT WOULDN'T, BUT GENERALLY SPECIAL EVENTS WOULD REQUIRE A DIFFERENT, A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS WAS MORE OF A POP-UP. UM, AND I REALLY SHOULD. YEAH. AND, AND I'M GOING TO BE TALKING TO JASON, CAUSE I ALREADY DEALT WITH THIS BECAUSE OF YOUR SITUATION. UM, JASON DIDN'T RUN AWAY YET. DID HE? OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT POP-UP EVENTS BECAUSE THAT WAS A CLEAR POINT OF CLARIFICATION THAT, UH, THAT CAME UP RECENTLY WITH YOUR FACILITY. AND SO WE HAD A LONG TALK ABOUT THAT. AND, AND SO HE HAS SOME CLARIFICATION TO ADD TO THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO COMMITTEE, HERE'S THE QUESTION, AND THIS IS A QUESTION I'LL GIVE YOU SEVERAL OPTIONS. WHAT THE INITIAL DRAFT WAS, WAS TO WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE FRONT DOOR OF A BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANT, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD NEED TO GET THE, THE RESTAURANT'S PERMISSION. OKAY. IT, THEY WOULDN'T BE PROHIBITED FROM THAT. THEY WOULD JUST NEED TO GET PERMISSION. WELL, IF YOU HAVE FIVE BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANTS, UM, AND YOU WOULDN'T NEED TO GET PERMISSION FOR EACH EVENT, IT WOULD JUST BE PERMISSION THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH YOU OPERATING WITHIN 200 FEET OF THEIR FACILITY. THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL, UM, RA RECOMMENDATION. SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK DOWN THE MATRIX, YOU CAN SEE THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE EVERYTHING IN ALLEN. IT'S 300 FEET FROM A BRICK AND MORTAR WITHOUT CONSENT FRISCO. IT'S 20 FEET, UNLESS YOU HAVE CONSENT. UM, YOU HAVE, UM, LET'S SEE MCKINNEY A HUNDRED FEET UNLESS YOU HAVE CONSENT. UM, SOME OF THEM I'M THINKING IT WAS FRISCO, ACTUALLY HAVE IT FROM, UH, A WINDOW OR A DOOR OR AN OUTSIDE DINING AREA. I MEAN, IT JUST GOES DOWN TO MICRO DETAILS. SO THIS IS THE QUESTION, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO ADDRESS? I HAVE HEARD. UM, AND I INVITED THEM AND THEY DIDN'T COME. I HAVE HEARD FROM SEVERAL BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANT OWNERS WHO ARE, UM, CONCERNED ABOUT JUST HAVING IT, HAVING FOOD TRUCKS TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE RIGHT NEXT TO THEM LIKE COMPETING. OKAY. UM, AND I WILL TELL YOU THE, I HAD INVITED, UM, KELLY, SAIGON MALLS, OWNER, MICHAEL WYNN HERE. UM, AND HE WASN'T ABLE TO COME TODAY. I SAT DOWN AND INTERVIEWED HIM A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S A DIFFERENT DEAL. HE, HE OWNS THE WHOLE SITE, WHICH IN HIS CASE WILL MEAN IF, IF WE PROCEED WITH THE HOST SITE HAVING TO GET A CEO, HE WILL HAVE PARKING LOTS. DON'T HAVE CEOS. OKAY. SO INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES HAVE CEO'S PARKING LOTS. DON'T. SO AS OWNER, HE WOULD HAVE TO GET A CEO FOR THE PARKING LOT. AND HE WOULD HAVE TO, TO MARK OUT ON A PIECE OF PAPER, WHICH PARKING PLACES ARE, ARE HE'S RESERVING FOR FOOD TRUCKS, WHICH HE'S ALREADY GOT THEM OUT BY JUPITER. HE HAS USUALLY FOUR OR FIVE, UM, TRUCKS OPERATING OUT THERE, PARTICULARLY ON WEEKENDS. AND, AND I ASKED HIM HIS THOUGHTS BECAUSE HE'S GOT A BUNCH OF BUSINESSES AND A BUNCH OF RESTAURANTS IN KELLY, SAIGON MALL. HE ACTUALLY RAN AN EXPERIMENT, UM, PRIOR TO ME EVER TALKING TO HIM. SO AT ONE POINT HE BROUGHT ALL OF THE FOOD TRUCKS UP RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE MALL, WHICH WAS LESS THAN 50 FEET FROM A LOT OF HIS RESTAURANTS INSIDE THE MALL. HE LINED THEM UP RIGHT ALONG THE FRONT OF THE MALL. SEEING IF IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING HE PAID FOR THE DAY, EVERY ONE OF HIS RESTAURANT OWNERS, $800 AS A MAKE-UP FOR ANY POTENTIAL OF LOSSES DUE TO THE FOOD TRUCKS BEING 50 FEET AWAY, IT DID NOT WORK WELL. THE RESTAURANT OWNERS SUFFERED FINANCIAL LOSSES. THEY WERE VERY ANGRY. THEY SAID $800 WAS NOT ENOUGH. THIS WAS A REAL LIFE EXPERIMENT. NOW IS THAT APPLICABLE TO EVERY BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANT? NO, IT'S NOT. BUT, UM, THERE, THERE IS SOME VALIDITY TO THE CONCERN WITH BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANTS, THEIR FINANCIAL INVESTMENT IS HUGELY MORE. THEY PAY THEIR TAXES TO THE CITY WHERE A LOT OF FOOD TRUCKS DON'T, UM, THERE ARE GENUINE CONSIDERATIONS. SO THIS IS NOT A REALLY EASY ONE-SIDED, UM, SITUATION. AND THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE CHOOSE NOT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON, BUT TO BRING IT TO COUNCIL AND LET THE WHOLE COUNCIL AT LARGE, ARGUE IT OUT, UM, IN AN OPEN WORK SESSION AND MAKE SOME DECISIONS ABOUT THIS. UM, I DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THE FIGHT, [01:25:01] SO I REALLY DON'T CARE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT I, WE, WE NEED TO BE FAIR. SO, UM, MR. BARROW, ARE YOU PUNCHED IN? YEAH. OKAY. GO AHEAD. OKAY. UH, REFERRING TO NICK, NICK DON'T HAVE NO PROBLEM BEING RIGHT THERE WHERE HE'S AT, BECAUSE HE'S NOT COMPETING WITH NO RESTAURANTS. HE'S HIS BUSINESS IS DIFFERENT THAN ALL THE RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, NICK'S BUSINESS, RIGHT? NICK? YES, SIR. YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BARBECUE OR HOT DOGS OR ANYTHING. HIS BUSINESS IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT. AND THAT'S WHAT I TOLD HIM WHEN I TALKED TO HIM THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK HE, HE IS NICE TO DO THAT WELL, BUT AGAIN, ANY, ANY ORDINANCE LIKE THIS, IT WOULDN'T BE SAYING, UM, LIKE KONA ICE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE WITHIN X FEET OF ANOTHER SHAVED ICE TREAT STORE. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT. IT WOULD BE ANY BRICK AND MORTAR UNLESS THEY GOT PERMISSION. SO AGAIN, IT'S ARGUABLE. NO, NO, NO. I JUST, I JUST BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE WHEN I TALKED TO NICK, HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND, AND I DON'T BLAME HIM. SO I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE, NICK. WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. OKAY. AND GET SOME THINGS DONE. AND THAT'S WHAT, I'M GLAD HE CAME. YEP. OKAY. BJ. WELL, I'LL BACK INTO THIS. I THINK, I THINK THIS WOULD PROBABLY BEST WITH COUNCIL LETTERS. LET US DO SOME SAUSAGES OF GRINDING ON THIS AND SEE WHAT WE'LL COME UP WITH. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO RESOLVE IT HERE, BUT LOOKING AT THE ONE THAT'S ONE WAS CITY ATTORNEY, UM, ON NUMBER THREE, WRITTEN AUTHORIZATION, UH THAT'S. FROM THAT THAT'S HIS PROPERTY ON A CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND THE VIDEO THAT WE, THAT WE SHOWED AND WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF THEM HERE, SOME OF THOSE COMPLEXES HAVE SOME, A FEW OF THEM HAVE A SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER THAT THE ONE THAT YOU SAW MOST LIKELY DONE. RIGHT. RIGHT. AND IF THAT PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, GIVES WRITTEN PERMISSION, IT DOESN'T MATTER. WHAT'S IN THAT, THAT, AND, AND, AND IT'S AMENDED TO A SEAL. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT RESTAURANTS IN THERE ONCE WE GET, ONCE THEY GET THAT PROPERTY OWNERS OF RECORD COMPLIANCE WITH NUMBER C IN THE DRAFT. CORRECT. WELL, IT DEPENDS IS THE ANSWER. AND AS A LAWYER, THAT'S OUR FAVORITE WORD TO USE? UM, IT DEPENDS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO THINK OF THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY DRAFTED THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT TWO SITUATIONS. ONE SITUATION IS WHERE YOU HAVE A FOOD TRUCK OPERATOR AND I'M USING THAT TERM. IMPRECISELY CAUSE I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOBILE FOOD, UM, PREPARATION VEHICLES, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY FOOD TRUCK OPERATOR, BECAUSE IT'S EASIER WHEN YOU HAVE A FOOD TRUCK OPERATOR WHO IS USING, GOING TO A LOCATION FOR A SPECIAL EVENT. IN OTHER WORDS, A BUSINESS INVITED THEM TO COME OUT AND CELEBRATE SOMETHING. WHETHER IT'S AN ANNIVERSARY, WHETHER IT'S A SALE OR WHATEVER, THEN THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A CEO AMENDMENT. AND IT SHOULDN'T, IT SHOULDN'T. AND SO IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, THERE'S NO, UM, THE ONLY THING THAT REQUIRES IS PERMISSION FROM THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER. AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE OWNER OF, IN THAT PARTICULAR VIDEO, THAT'D BE THE OWNER OF THE SHOPPING CENTER, RIGHT? SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO APPROACH THE RESTAURANTS TO ASK FOR A SINGLE EVENT, RIGHT? THE SECOND TYPE OF SITUATION, THIS DRAFT ADDRESSES IS A SITUATION WHERE THE OWNER OF A, OF A PROPERTY WANTS TO MAKE PERMANENT SPOTS FOR FOOD, TRUCK OPERATORS TO RUN THEIR BUSINESSES ON A REGULAR BASIS. IT'S THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER, WHAT DO YOU NEED TO DO TO AMEND YOUR CEO TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN? AND ONE OF THOSE AMENDMENTS WOULD BE, UH, OR ONE OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE THE FOOD TRUCK. THE FOOD VEHICLE MAY NOT OPERATE WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE FRONT DOOR OF A BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANT WITHOUT PERMISSION WITHOUT, WELL, UM, WITHOUT PERMISSION FROM THE RESTAURANT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. GOOD. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. W WITH, WITH ED CAVEAT YET, AND AGAIN, I SHOULD TAKE THIS TO COUNCIL, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE I DON'T. I DON'T THINK, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IN MOST SHOPPING CENTERS AND MALLS, YOU GOT SEVERAL FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS. YOU DON'T HAVE ONE, YOU'VE GOT SEVERAL, YOU MAY HAVE ONE, A CORNER, ONE SIDE, YOU'VE GOT SEVERAL. AND I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT, THAT THE OWNER OF A MOLE FOOD VEHICLE, YOU GOT FIVE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS, BRICK AND MODERN THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE OWNER OF A MOBILE TRUCK SHOULD HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM FIVE [01:30:02] DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS IN THAT AREA. I JUST, I, I THINK THAT THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S A SYRUP. SO HOW DO WE GET TO THAT? I DON'T, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT, I THINK WE ALREADY GOT THERE BECAUSE IT'S THE PROPERTY PROPERTY OWNER, RIGHT? WOULDN'T YOU WOULDN'T BE THE RESTAURANT OWNER. IT'D BE THE PROPERTY OWNER, BUT STILL WELL-TAKEN OKAY. WE DON'T WANT, NONE OF US WANT THAT. NO, NONE OF US WANT THAT AND SEDIMENTS, UH, SENTIMENT SO THAT I DON'T, I DON'T WANT THAT. I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE I, I, I, I'M LOOKING FOR EQUITY. AND IT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EQUITY AND FAIRNESS. I'M LOOKING FOR EQUITY FOR BOTH THE MOBILE AND BRICK AND MARK, AND THAT WOULD NOT BE EQUITABLE TO THESE, THESE BINS SELLERS. THAT'S MY POSITION. SO THAT SEX TO, UH, UH, COUNCIL AND LET'S DESTITUTE. I THINK I HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WITH A COUPLE OF COUNSELORS FROM TWO OTHER CITIES, ONE WITH BEING, UH, BEING ALLAN LONG CONVERSATION. AND THEY HAD THE SAME, SAME KIND OF THING. AND HE LANDED AT PRETTY MUCH THE SAME SPOT I DID BECAUSE HE ALSO HAD CONVERSATION WITH SOME BRICK AND MORTAR OWNERS, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, PART OF THE PUSHBACK I'M NOT GOING TO, I'M NOT GOING TO DIVE DEEP IN THE POTTER PUSHBACK REALLY HAD LITTLE TO DO WITH THE ECONOMIC IMPACT. IT WAS SOME OTHER ISSUES. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO BOTTOM LINE IS MADAM CHAIR. I, I WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, WITH, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S GUIDANCE SHOULD TAKE THIS TO A WORK SESSION. LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE POINTS THAT WE COME OUT OF HERE WITH, UM, AND I'LL LOOK, YOU KNOW, THE RED LINE, THE CITY, IF HE'S, THAT YOU'VE DONE ON THIS, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT WHAT, HOW CAN, HOW CAN WE CRAFT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE EQUITABLE? THAT'S I'M NOT, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT TODAY, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. AND AGAIN, THAT DOES, THAT IS EQUITY. UH, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. OKAY. AND THAT, THAT PARTICULAR POINT IS THE ONE THAT, THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE, GO TO THE WHOLE COUNCIL, JUST BECAUSE I'VE GOT A QUESTION. YES, SIR. WHEN I WAS TALKING TO NATE THE OTHER DAY, UH, HE IS ALSO CONCERNED. HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT OTHER TRUCKS COMING IN TO A AREA THAT DIDN'T HAVE NO HEALTH DEPARTMENT, NOT PART OF THIS, THAT'S NOT FOR TODAY. OKAY. WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH HEALTH PERMITS. THAT'S NOT WHAT, THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT IT. OH, GO AHEAD. OKAY. UM, WELL WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO DO TWO OTHER THINGS I WANTED TO HIT, BUT TIME, TIME IS TICKING ON, UM, BECAUSE CHASSIDY IS HERE. JASON, CAN I GET YOU TO COME BACK UP? AND, UM, THE ISSUE OF THE POPUP SITUATION. SO CHASSIDY WITH HER, UM, TRUCK YARD. THAT IS, UH, IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S GOING GANGBUSTERS. AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO BRING THIS FORTH TO ALL OF YOU. UM, I AM A BRICK AND MORTAR BUSINESS, AND I DON'T ASK FOR HANDOUTS AND I DON'T CARE FOR HANDOUTS. SO I COME UP WITH HUSTLES INSTEAD, AND THE HUSTLE WAS TO GET A BUNCH OF THE TRUCKS TOGETHER. LOOK, I GOT YOU. UM, SO I DON'T, I DON'T GET ONLINE. I DON'T, LIKE I SAID, UM, AND THE HUSTLE WAS, I'M JUST GOING TO BE HONEST. I LOOKED AT MY FELLOW TRUCKERS AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, THEY GOT SOMETHING GOING GOOD. THERE, I LOOK AT THEM AND I LOOK AT THE WHOLE, AND I SAY, AS LONG AS WE GET TOGETHER, WE CAN ALL HELP EACH OTHER. BUT AS SOON AS WE START TO SEPARATE AND SAY, THIS IS RUINING MY BUSINESS, THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM. THAT'S YOUR BAD. IF YOUR FOOD SUCKS, IF YOUR WHATEVER ESTABLISHMENT SUCKS, THEY WEREN'T COMING TO YOU. ANYWAY, MY CUSTOMERS COME TO ME FOR ME AND FOR WHAT WE HAVE. AND THEN ALSO OUR BUSINESS HAS BEEN DOING REALLY, REALLY WELL WITH THE TRUCKS THAT WE DO HAVE. I'VE HAD ALL KINDS, UM, FROM, UH, FROM HOLY SMOKES, BARBECUE, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHATEVER. AND MADAM CHAIRMAN, YOU ASKED ME A GOOD QUESTION. AND I'VE BEEN POSED THAT QUESTION TWICE. CHASSIDY WOULD YOU ALLOW A COFFEE TRUCK TO COME TO YOUR ESTABLISHMENT? YES, I WOULD. I ABSOLUTELY WOULD. BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY DON'T COME FROM ME. THEY COME, I MEAN, THEY DON'T COME TO MY ESTABLISHMENT FOR COFFEE AND WHATEVER. THEY COME FROM ME AND THEY COME FOR THE PEOPLE. SO, UM, YES, EVERYTHING IS GOING REALLY WELL. MY PROBLEM WITH THE WHOLE, YOU NEED A BATHROOM. LET ME EXPLAIN THAT TO PEOPLE. I USE MY BATHROOM. THEY BARELY USE MY BATHROOM. THEY'RE NOT TO THOSE TRUCKS FOR THE BATHROOM. HOWEVER, I DO HAVE A VERY NICE BATHROOM PROVIDED [01:35:03] I'M NOT 200 FEET AWAY FROM THESE TRUCKS. MY PLACE USED TO BE A CAR LOT. AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS. IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL RUNDOWN LOOKING CRAZY. WE MADE IT LOOK REAL GOOD. AND IT'S AN, IT'S NO LONGER AN EYESORE. IT WAS AN EYESORE FOR YEARS. AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT I WAS LOOKING AT IT FOR YEARS BEFORE THIS. I WAS A PERSONAL TRAINER, PHYSICAL FITNESS INSTRUCTOR, AND I WAS INVOLVED IN THE CITY, BUT I SAT ON THE COUNCIL ON RELIT. SO I WASN'T IN HERE. I AM NOW. SO THIS IS MY RETIREMENT PLAN AND IT WAS GOING UNDER BECAUSE OF COVID BECAUSE OF ALL THE SANCTIONS. AND BECAUSE OF ALL THE EXTRA MONEY YOU GUYS HAVE ASKED ME FOR, THERE'S A LOT THAT YOU'VE ASKED ME FOR A LOT. AND, AND I'VE PAID IN WILLINGLY BECAUSE I AM A BRICK AND MORTAR BUSINESS. AND I DO BELIEVE IN GARLAND. HOWEVER, IT'S VERY LAUGHABLE. WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOUR BUSINESS FRIENDLY, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT, NOT AT ALL. IT'S BEEN VERY HARD TO BE A BUSINESS IN GARLAND. YOU HAVE TO WANT TO BE HERE. YOU HAVE TO FIGHT FOR IT. AND HOW MY FIGHT WAS HAPPENING WAS WITH MY BUDDIES OVER HERE, I WAS GOING TO BRING THEM IN CHARGE A FEE. SO I SAT DOWN WITH MY PERSONAL, UM, LAWYER AND WE WROTE UP A CONTRACT, MY HUSBAND AND I, BECAUSE I COVER ALL MY BASES. AND I HAVE MY OWN CONTRACT BETWEEN MY BUSINESS, PEOPLE AND MYSELF. AND WE HAVE THAT CONTRACT TOGETHER AND THEY PAY THE FEE. THEY HAVE THEIR SPACE, AND I AM LOOKING TO MAKE THEM PERMANENT RESIDENTS AT MY PLACE. THEY HAVE JUST AS MUCH RIGHTS AS I DO TO EVERYTHING. THAT'S THERE. I HAVE POOL TABLE, PING PONG, DARTS. I GOT A LOT OF SKIN IN THE GAME. I REALLY DO. UM, BUT HOWEVER, IT IS OPENING UP GARLAND TO MORE OF CITY LIFE. SINCE DOWNTOWN SQUARE IS SHUT DOWN, ESSENTIALLY PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANT INCONVENIENCE. SO WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS, THIS IS BECAUSE I LOVE THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE TO IT FROM THE ORIGINAL, THE ORIGINAL WAS LIKE, WHAT THE, WHAT, WHEN WE READ IT. BUT STILL, I FEEL LIKE THERE SHOULD BE A FEW MORE THINGS AS IN A BRICK AND MORTAR BUSINESS THAT DOES WANT IT, THAT DOES SUPPORT IT. AND THAT DOES SAY IT DOESN'T HURT OUR BUSINESS. IT ACTUALLY HELPS US WHEN WE DO IT TOGETHER. WHEN YOU THINK OF THEM AS COMPETITION, THEN YEAH. YOU'RE WHEN YOU HAVE A BAD ATTITUDE ABOUT TEAM PLAY, TEAM SPORTS, YOU GOT A PROBLEM. YOU'RE NOT A TEAM PLAYER. YOU JUST WANT TO BE THE CAPTAIN. SO ANYWAY, UM, I DIGRESS, BUT, UH, THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M SAYING THE 200 SQUARE FEET IS A PROBLEM FOR ME. I MEET EVERY OTHER REQUIREMENT. THEY HAVE A BATHROOM MEET THAT REQUIREMENT BECAUSE IT'S ON YOUR PROPERTY, BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH, OKAY. THAT'S WHERE WE WERE. WE, THE, THE TACKY ISSUE WAS BECAUSE AGAIN, WE, MY HUSBAND AND I KNOW THAT CONTRACTS, LAWYER JARGON AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THERE ARE LOOPHOLES IN EVERYTHING YOU CAN, THIS WAS YOUR, THIS WOULD BE ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY WITH YOUR OWN PERMISSION, RIGHT. IT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT AN ISSUE FOR YOU. IT NEVER WAS. OKAY. SO WHAT I WANT YOU TO HEAR THOUGH, AND WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME, I WANT TO GET TO THIS, THE SITUATION WHERE YOU HAD INSPECTORS FLAG, TWO OF YOUR FOOD TRUCKS. THE FIRST, FIRST, I THINK THAT THEY DIDN'T FLAG TRUCKS. THEY CAME INTO MY ESTABLISHMENT ASKING ABOUT THEM, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND YOU WERE, THIS WAS ONE OF YOUR FIRST EVENTS. AND SO THAT SITUATION CAUSED ME TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH JASON, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT ELLIE'S WAS ASKED TO UPDATE THEIR, UM, THEIR, WHEN THEY CAME IN, THEY CAME IN TO ME. OKAY. SO WHAT I ASKED ABOUT WERE POP-UP THINGS ARE OUR, POP-UP OUR FOOD TRUCK OPERATORS AND OWNERS, UM, RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY KIND OF LIKE ADVANCED NOTIFICATION PLANNING, SOMETHING, SOMETHING FOR, UM, FOR EVENTS LIKE YOU HAD. THIS WAS A FIRST TIME THIS WASN'T ALREADY SCHEDULED, LIKE REGULARLY TO BE THERE, THE SAME PLACE IT'S ON AND ON. AND, UM, SO CAN YOU ADDRESS POP-UPS? YES. UM, SO THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT ROUTE SHEETS, UH, FOOD TRUCK, MOBILE FREE PREPARATION VEHICLES PROVIDE UPDATED ROUTE SHEETS TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UM, IN THE, IN REGARD TO WHAT WE'RE CALLING POP-UP EVENTS OR ONE OFF, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT REGULARLY, NOT REGULAR STOPS FOR FOOD TRUCKS. UM, W YOU GOT TO THINK OF THE REASONING OF THE ORDINANCE. AND WE TALKED TO OUR INSPECTORS ABOUT THIS FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT, I SUPPOSE. YES, THE ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE THAT, BUT THE REASON FOR THE ORDINANCE IS SO THAT WE CAN FIND THESE TRUCKS WHEN [01:40:01] WE WANT TO INSPECT THEM. FROM THAT STANDPOINT, WE DON'T NEED TO KNOW IF A TRUCK IS GOING TO BE AT ONE LOCATION ONE TIME. WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHOOSE THAT TIME TO INSPECT. WE'RE GOING TO CHOOSE TIMES THAT REGULAR STOPS AND WE KNOW THE TRUCKS ARE THERE, AND THAT'LL BE THE TIME THAT IT'LL BE A RANDOM TIME, OBVIOUSLY, BUT THAT'LL BE A TIME WHEN WE CHOOSE TO WHERE OUR INSPECTORS CHOOSE TO INSPECT THESE TRUCKS. AND I HAVE TALKED WITH OUR TWO INSPECTORS ABOUT THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON'T EXPECT THESE ONE-OFF POP-UP EVENTS TO BE, UH, UPDATED OR ROUTE SHEETS TO BE UPDATED, TO REFLECT THOSE. OKAY. SO THE SITUATION THAT THAT HAPPENED, THEY'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED IT. OKAY. TO MEET YOU IN PERSON. NICE TO MEET YOU IN PERSON. HAVE YOU ALL ALREADY SQUASHED? OH YEAH. OKAY. SO ARE YOU GOOD? YEAH. OH, WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE COPACETIC. WE'RE GOOD. WELL, WE'RE ON A FIRST NAME BASIS. I'M COOL. PERFECT. THAT'S ALWAYS GOOD. SO, UM, ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK WE HAVE REACHED THE POINT WE ARE GOING. WE'VE AGREED THAT ON THE TOPIC OF DISTANCE, UM, ANY KIND OF DISTANCE REQUIREMENT BETWEEN A FOOD TRUCK AND BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANT, THAT'S NOT ON THE HOST PROPERTY. I MEAN, A BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANT CAN HAVE FIT TRUCKS IN. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM FOR YOU. IT'S ADJACENT PROPERTIES. AND THAT, AGAIN, THAT, THAT BRINGS UP ALL KINDS OF TRICKY PROPERTY RIGHTS, AND USE AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF. UM, WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THAT TO, UH, TO BE HASHED OUT AS AN OPEN QUESTION FOR, WITH THE FULL COUNCIL, THE OTHER PROBABLY REMAINING ISSUE. AND WE CAN AT LEAST INTRODUCE IT AND, AND SEE IS, UM, THE BATHROOM REQUIREMENT. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE MATRIX, UM, EVERYBODY IS REQUIRING A RESTROOM. AND THE ONLY, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IT'S A DISTANCE FROM A RESTROOM AND THE SPECIFICS OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS VARY, BUT THEY ALL REQUIRE THERE TO BE A RESTROOM FACILITY, SOMEWHERE ACCESSIBLE WITHIN SOME DISTANCE. AND SOME OF THE DISTANCES ARE, UM, 500 FEET, A THOUSAND FEET, 250 FEET, 500 FEET CONVENIENTLY LOCATED 500 FEET, 200 FEET THOUSAND FEET. EVERYBODY'S ALL OVER THE MAP, BUT IT IS UNIFORM THROUGHOUT ALL THE CITIES, BUT IT IS A REASONABLE REQUIREMENT TO REQUIRE RESTROOM ACCESS WHEN YOU ARE, UM, SELLING FOOD. SO, UM, I WENT INTO THIS AND ASKED BECAUSE IT'S NOT, UM, I ASKED WHERE, WHAT THE ACTUAL REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR RESTAURANTS, WITH BATHROOMS AND THOSE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH I'VE NOW SHUFFLED MY PAPERS WAY TOO MANY TIMES. UM, THAT REQUIREMENT COMES WITH OUR, UM, INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODES. THAT'S NOT PART OF OUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT CODES. THAT'S NOT. UM, SO I LOST MY WHOLE THING HERE. OH, WELL, UM, HERE WE GO. SO THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE THAT WE OPERATE BY, AND I'M, I'M THINKING THAT, THAT WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS 2015. I DON'T, I DON'T, BUT IT'S, IT'S STILL SAYS THAT HERE'S WHAT IT SAYS. UM, CUSTOMERS, PATRONS AND VISITORS SHALL BE PROVIDED WITH PUBLIC TOILET FACILITIES AND STRUCTURES AND TENANT SPACES INTENDED FOR PUBLIC UTILIZATION. PUBLIC TOILET FACILITY SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED IN ONE OPEN OR ENCLOSED PARKING GARAGES, WHERE THERE ARE NO PARKING ATTENDANTS TO STRUCTURES AND TENANT SPACES. AND HERE'S WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING INTENDED FOR QUICK TRANSACTIONS, INCLUDING TAKEOUT, PICKUP, AND DROP OFF, HAVING A PUBLIC ACCESS AREA LESS THAN, OR EQUAL TO 300 SQUARE FEET. SO A COUPLE OF THE PLACES I WAS SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT IN MY DISTRICT KNEE SHACKS, WHICH I ADORE, WHICH IS FOOD. TRUCKISH LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A FOOD TRUCK AND YOU WALK UP TO THE WINDOW AND, UM, SCOOTER'S COFFEE BURGER STREET. SO QUICK TRANSACTIONS CERTAINLY COVER DRIVE-THROUGHS LIKE SCOOTERS AND BURGER STREET AND TAKE OUT ONLY WALK UPS LIKE ME SHACKS. THEY HAVE NO TABLES, NO CHAIRS, NO DINING AREA AT ALL, BUT TRUCKS THAT PUT OUT TABLES AND CHAIRS FOR ONSITE DINING. SO, UM, THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CUT LINE. AND SINCE BRICK AND MORTARS HA EITHER HAVE, OR DON'T HAVE PERMANENT DINING AREAS OF SOME KIND LIKE MISHA X DOES NOT HAVE, UM, INSIDE OR OUT, IT SEEMS LIKE ANY OF OUR TRUCK REGULATIONS RELATING TO RESTROOMS SHOULD ASSUME THAT TRUCKS MAY PUT OUT TEMPORARY DINING ACCESSORIES. MANY DO NOT ALL, BUT SINCE THOSE ARE TEMPORARY, SINCE THEY CAN BE OUT ONE TIME AND NOT OUT THE NEXT IT FOR AN ORDINANCE, IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO ASSUME THAT THEY MAY, THEY MAY HAVE ONSITE DINING. OKAY. SO OUR ALTERNATIVE WOULD [01:45:01] BE JUST TO BAN IT, WHICH NONE OF US WANT TO DO. AND WE SURE DON'T WANT TO BE TABLE AND CHAIR POLICE. SO TO, TO REQUIRE ACCESS TO RESTROOMS SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE AND CERTAINLY WELL ACCEPTED EVERYWHERE AROUND US REQUIREMENT. THE QUESTION IS, UM, WITH SOME OF THE IDEAS IN THE PREVIOUS DRAFT, UH, REQUIRING IT TO BE ON THE SAME PROPERTY. AND I'M THINKING ABOUT YOU BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT ONE, SO YOU'RE COVERED IN ANY WAY, BUT WE'RE BUILDING A RESTROOM, A PUBLIC RESTROOM ON THE SQUARE THAT SHE COULD THROW A SOFTBALL AND HIT FROM HER BUILDING. SO LET'S SAY SHE DIDN'T HAVE A BATHROOM OR HAD A BATHROOM DIDN'T WANT TO ALLOW PEOPLE IN. SHOULD, SHOULD WE ALLOW FOR PUBLIC RESTROOMS THAT ARE WITHIN PICK A NUMBER X NUMBER OF FEET OF THE PROPERTY? OKAY. UM, SHOULD HOST PROPERTIES WHO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, REQUIRING THEM TO AMEND THEIR CEO TO SAY, THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE. SHOULD WE REQUIRE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS AN AFFIRMATION THAT A PUBLIC PERMANENT RESTROOM IS AVAILABLE WITHIN X NUMBER OF FEET? JUST AN AFFIRMATION. I KNOW LEGALLY AND ENFORCEABLE. THAT'S PROBABLY A JOKE. UM, IT'D BE A LOSERY, BUT, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD DO IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT. THAT'S THE GIST. SO JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT I DON'T, I'M NOT, I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND THIS, UM, THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY DRAFTED. IT'S ONLY WHERE A MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE ELECTS TO PROVIDE ONSITE DINING IS WHEN THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE ACCESS TO A PUBLIC RESTROOM. THAT'S HOW IT'S CURRENTLY DRAFTED. SO IF THEY DON'T ELECT TO HAVE, UM, UM, IF THEY DON'T LIKE TO OFFER ONSITE DINING, PUT OUT TABLES AND CHAIRS, AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO A PUBLIC, THEY WOULD, THEY, THEY WOULD BE TREATED LIKE THE DRIVE-THRU COLLECT SCOOTERS OR BURST, OR, BUT THEN THE DIFFICULTY WITH THAT IS THAT PUTS THE ONUS ON THE FOOD TRUCK OPERATOR. AND NOT WE'RE TRYING, THAT PUTS ANOTHER REQUIREMENT ON THEM INSTEAD OF ON THE HOST PROPERTY. WHAT'S THE REQUIREMENT, I'M SORRY, HANDLE THAT, THAT THEY CAN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO OPERATE THEIR TRUCK WITHIN. IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ONSITE DINING, THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE WITHIN SO MANY FEET OF A, OF A RESTAURANT. UM, WE ARE JUST ABOUT OUT OF TITLE. DO EITHER OF YOU HAVE INPUT ON THAT BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE JUST ABOUT TO RUN OUT OF TIME HERE, THE PUBLIC RESTROOM, LIKE A GAS STATION AND APPLY. SO YOU COULD EXTEND IT OUT TO A THOUSAND FEET AND JUST MAKE THAT EASY WITH THE ORDINANCE. THEY COULD GET TO A GAS STATION WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET. YOU HAVE A RESTROOM THERE. UM, NOT THAT THE WAY IT'S READING, BUT WHAT WE COULD DO IS YOU'VE BEEN DRAFTED IN SUCH A WAY WHERE CURRENTLY THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT SAYS THAT IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE THE ON-SITE DINING, THEN YOU HAVE TO BE WITHIN 500 FEET OF AN OPEN, PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE PERMANENT RESTROOM FACILITY LOCATED ON THE SAME PROPERTY. WHAT THE DRAFT COULD DO. IF COUNCIL WAS INTERESTED IS THEY COULD ADD ANOTHER PROVISION THAT SAID, OR, UM, WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE PERMANENT RESTROOM ON ANOTHER PROPERTY WITH PERMISSION OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, BECAUSE WHAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO HAPPEN IS, IS HAVE A GAS STATION NEXT DOOR TO, UM, A, TO PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT HAS FIVE FOOD TRUCKS AND ALL THE PATRONS FROM THE FOOD TRUCKS ARE GOING AND USING THEIR PUBLIC RESTROOM WITHOUT ACTUALLY USING, WITHOUT ACTUALLY PURCHASING ANYTHING FROM THEM. AND SO WITHOUT THAT PERMISSION, THAT WOULD BE, OR YOU COULD JUST SAY WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF A PUBLIC RESTROOM AND JUST NOT WORRY ABOUT THAT ISSUE. SO YES. YEAH. JUST OPEN IT UP, BUT I NEVER EVER PUT OUT CHAIRS AND TABLES, SO IT WOULDN'T APPLY TO ME AT ALL. PERFECT. YEAH. AND THE RED LINE VERSION THAT WAS ADDED, THAT WAS ADDED, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST NIGHT. RIGHT. AND SO THAT WAS A, UM, THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. AND THAT, THAT WAS, I, I BELIEVE, UM, MADAM CHAIR THAT WAS, UM, ORIGINALLY A SUGGESTION OF COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, SMITH, I THINK HE WAS THE ONE THAT KEYED ONTO THAT. YEAH. AND, AND THAT MAKES SENSE. CAUSE WHAT, WHAT WE, WHAT WE DID NOT WANT TO DO IS PROHIBIT ON-SITE DINING. WE ALSO DID NOT WANT TO PUT ONEROUS, UM, EXTRA REQUIREMENTS AND EXTRA STEPS. WHAT WE ALSO DO NOT WANT OUR PORT-A-POTTIES AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE, YEAH. PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE PERMANENT RESTROOM FACILITY, WE DO, ESPECIALLY EVENTS PORTA-POTTIES ARE USED THAT HAS A DIFFERENT PERMITTING. WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS HAVING SOME OF THESE THINGS POP UP AND HAVE PERMANENT PORT-A-POTTIES. UM, THAT WOULD JUST, UH, AS OUR BUILDING INSPECTIONS, UH, DIRECTOR HAD POINTED OUT TO US, YOU CAN'T THINK ABOUT JUST WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW. SHE CAME FROM A CITY WHERE IT, IT GREW FROM A HANDFUL OF TRUCKS TO HUNDREDS AND YOU HAVE TO PLAN FOR THAT. AND YOU HAVE TO THINK WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE IN SMALL FORM MAY NOT BE ACCEPTABLE IF YOU HAVE 200 TRUCKS. SO [01:50:01] DID YOU SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT RESTROOMS IN THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE THEN BECAUSE THEY USE A LOT OF PORTA-POTTIES DOWN THERE. THERE'S AN EVENT LIVE PERMANENT RESTROOMS, BRICK AND MORTAR WONDERFUL RESTROOMS. AND THEY CANNOT COME SOON ENOUGH. YEAH. WE'RE HAPPY ABOUT THAT. ALL RIGHT. UM, CAN WE, I WANT TO, I WANT TO PUT A FAINT UP, GO AHEAD. COOL. I TOUCH REAL QUICK ON THE BRICK AND MORTAR DISTANCE THING AGAIN. YES. SO AS YOU WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER, OUR TRUCKS ARE OVER SIX FIGURES EACH AND WE HAVE FOUR OF THEM AND WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY IN THE CITY OF GARLAND ALSO IN TERMS OF GAS, UM, OIL CHANGES, TIRES. UM, SO I'M PAYING A LOT OF DIFFERENT FEMALES AND $450 FOR EACH TRUCK FOR A HEALTH HEALTH DEPARTMENT, PERMANENT. AND, UM, PERSONALLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT JUST COMPLETELY REMOVED. I DON'T, I DON'T, I COULDN'T IMAGINE IT WOULD BE EASY TO EVEN GET AHOLD OF THOSE GENTLEMEN THAT OWNED THOSE, UM, STRIP MALLS. I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET AHOLD OF THEM. AND THEN IF I DID, THEY WOULD, THEY COULD JUST SAY NO. AND THEN I'M OUT MY, UM, CATERED EVENT JUST BECAUSE THEY JUST KNOW, I DON'T WANT YOU THERE. AND LIKE YOU SAID, LIKE COMPETITION IS COMPETITION. IF YOU'VE BEEN IN CALI, SAIGON MALL, THERE'S STALL AFTER STORY, AFTER STORY, AFTER STALL, AFTER STALL, AND THEY'RE ALL COMPETING WITH EACH OTHER, I FIND THAT REALLY HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THEY JUST SUNK THEM, THAT THERE WAS A FEW FOOD TRUCKS OUTSIDE BECAUSE IF I GO THERE AND I WANT THE THIRD STALL DOWN, I WANT THAT FAVORITE DISH THAT I GET THERE EVERY DAY OR EVERY WEEK, I'M NOT GOING TO STOP AT THE FOOD TRUCK. I'M GOING TO WALK RIGHT BY IT. I'M GOING TO GO GET MY FAVORITE DISH AT THE THIRD STALL. YOU KNOW? SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE OF THEM HAVING 10 DIFFERENT STALLS IN THERE SELLING ALMOST EXACT SAME PRODUCT TO ME BEING OUTSIDE, SELLING SOMETHING. BUT LIKE YOU SAID, UM, WE DON'T NORMALLY DO THAT, BUT IT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE. I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. AND SO WE HAVE QUITE A BIT INVESTED IN GARLAND. ALSO, AS WE DISCUSSED THEM, WE GIVE A LOT BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND, UM, MY OTHER CONCERN WAS THE SCHOOLS, BUT I THINK YOU SAID THAT DIDN'T APPLY TO US AT ALL. OKAY, GOOD. SO, YEAH, JUST LIKE FOR NOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT COMPLETELY REMOVED. I MEAN, ON HERE IT SAYS FORT WORTH DOESN'T HAVE ONE. IRVING DOESN'T HAVE ONE FARMER'S BRANCH. DOESN'T HAVE ONE ABOUT THE DISTANCE TO BRICK AND MORTAR. YES. MA'AM MESQUITE. DOESN'T HAVE ONE. PLAINTIFF DOESN'T HAVE ONE RICHARDSON. DOESN'T HAVE ONE. SO CAN I SAY THAT'S MY SAME THING? I'M JUST, I'M NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT DOESN'T HAVE A PURPOSE TO ME. AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. YEAH. VERY GLAD TO HAVE TALKED TO IT WITH YOU AND CHRISTINA EARLIER. I'M VERY GLAD THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO COME TODAY AND I APPRECIATING AND CHASSIDY YOU TOO. UM, WE ARE OUT OF TIME AT THIS POINT. MAYBE WE'RE JUST GOING TO BRING THIS BACK. UM, WE'RE GOING TO BRING THIS BACK IN A MONTH AND REFINE, I THINK THE RESTROOM, UM, PART OF THIS, WE NEED TO NAIL DOWN. AND AFTER THAT, I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY BE READY TO ROLL. SO, AND IN THE MEANTIME, FOOD TRUCK COURTS, THE ORDINANCE FOR THAT, AND I THINK YOU BOTH AUDIO AWARE OF THAT. THAT'S GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. AND, AND AGAIN, IF, IF, UH, IF THIS DRAFT IN MOSTLY INTACT SHAPE GOES THROUGH, UH, UP TO FIVE AND WE ARE WAY OUT OF LINE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE OVER THE, IN THE, IN THE LENIENT, UH, AREA, YOU COULD HAVE UP TO FIVE FOOD TRUCKS REGULARLY AT A HOST SITE WITHOUT HAVING TO MEET CRITERIA FOR FOOD, TRUCK COURTS. AND, UM, SO THINKING OF YOU THINKING OF KELLY SAIGON MALL, WE DIDN'T WANT TO SAY YOU MUST MEET FOOD TRUCK, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THEY TURN OUT TO BE. SO THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO, UM, CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS YOU'RE, AS YOU'RE OPERATING. SO, ALL RIGHT. UM, GOOD. YEAH. OH, I'M GLAD NICK CAME IN AND I'M GLAD YOU GAVE ME BECAUSE WE NEED YOUR INPUT. WAS THAT YOUR INPUT? WE GAINED DO ANYTHING. OH, I WOULDN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING OVER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. WELL, I'M GOOD. I'M GOOD. SO WHAT ARE YOU SAYING AFTER THE NEXT GO ROUND ON THAT ISSUE, THEN, THEN WE'RE READY TO GO TO COUNCIL AND HAVE THIS DISCUSSION RIGHT. IN, IN COORDINATION WITH THE FOOD TRUCK, UM, COURT ORDINANCE, WE'RE GOING TO REPORT OUT FOOD TRUCK COURTS, THIS ORDINANCE, AND, UM, AND PROBABLY THE HEALTH PERMIT THAT WE NOW DOING THE BELMONT SERVICES. SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE, ARE WE, ARE WE RUNNING? ARE WE TRYING TO RUN THIS PARALLEL WITH HIM? TH TH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED CAN BE AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HERE, RIGHT? SO INSTEAD OF MAKING IT BE DISJOINTED, AND WE HAVE ENOUGH CONFUSED PEOPLE WHO ARE SHOWING UP AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, [01:55:01] THINKING IT'S THIS ORDINANCE, AND WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME HERE THINKING THIS WAS ABOUT FOOD TRUCK COURTS. WE'RE GOING TO REPORT THEM OUT AT THE SAME TIME. I'VE GOT ANOTHER QUESTION. YES, SIR. OKAY. I WANT TO BRING WHAT NICK TOLD ME ABOUT. UM, PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE NOTHING, NO HEALTH PERMIT, NOTHING I'M TALKING ABOUT HIS, LIKE HIS TRUCK OR YOUR TRUCKS OVER THERE, THAT PEOPLE COME FROM ANOTHER CITY OR SOMEWHERE ELSE. THEY BROUGHT IN THEIR MONEY AND EVERYTHING. AND DID FACEBOOK COME IN AND DON'T HAVE NO PERMITS OR NOTHING? UH, WHAT CAN WE DO WITH THAT? THAT'S ALREADY A VIOLATION. WE ALREADY THAT'S ALREADY COVERED IN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE. IT'S OKAY. WELL, I WOULD JUST ASK ME THAT QUESTION. AND I SAID, I CAN'T ANSWER IT BECAUSE I ALREADY A VIOLATION IT'S IN THE FIRST. HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS. THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING. THANK YOU, SIR. THAT'S YOU GOT IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, COMMITTEE, IT IS 5:56 PM, AND WE ARE AT THE LAST ITEM, WHICH IS TO ADJOURN. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.