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          APRIL 
          [Parks and Recreation Board Meeting on April 6, 2022.]
THE SIXTH 20 22 7 0 2. 
          THIS IS THE MEETING OF THE GARLAND PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD. 
          AND I CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. 
          FIRST ITEM IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. 
          CHAIRMAN MOVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. 
          I HAVE A MOTION FROM JERRY CARTER. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND FROM DAVID MOREHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANYBODY OPPOSED? OKAY. 
          THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          NEXT ITEM CONSIDERATION. 
          CONSIDER RECOMMENDATION TO AMEND CITY OF GARLAND CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTION 25.05, A ONE DASH TWO. 
          THIS SAYS THE LEE WILLIAMS. OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD EVENING PARK BOARD MEMBERS. 
          SO WHAT WE ARE DOING EVERY YEAR AS PART OF OUR BUDGET PROCESS, WE GO THROUGH, WE REVIEW OUR FEES, WE DO A BENCHMARK STUDY, AND THIS IS WHETHER WE DECIDE THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE THE FEES OR NOT. 
          IT'S JUST PART OF OUR BUDGET PROCESS EACH YEAR. 
          AND, UM, SO THIS YEAR WE ARE PROPOSING MAKING SOME CHANGES TO OUR ROOM RESERVATION FEES. 
          UH, SO I'LL KIND OF RUN THROUGH WHAT THOSE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE AND THEN GIVE YOU A RUNDOWN OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PRE MEETING AND THEN OPEN THAT UP FOR DISCUSSION. 
          SO, UM, WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE IS JUST THE NAME OF THE CLASSROOM. 
          WE WOULD LIKE TO JUST CHANGE THAT TO MEETING ROOMS. UM, WE ARE ALSO TRYING TO STANDARDIZE THE FEES. 
          AND SO CURRENTLY YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE A WEEKDAY AND A WEEKEND RATE, UH, DEPENDING UPON WHEN YOU RESERVE THE ROOM. 
          UM, THE WEEKDAYS, UH, THAT RUNS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY UNTIL FRIDAY AT 5:00 PM AND AT FRIDAY AT 5:00 PM, THAT STARTS THE WEEKEND, UM, RATES THAT YOU SEE HERE. 
          AND THEN IN THE RIGHT COLUMN, YOU'LL SEE THE PROPOSED FEES THAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR THIS NEXT YEAR. 
          UM, GRANGER ANNEX, YOU'LL SEE, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE CURRENTLY. 
          IT'S A 40 75 AND WE'RE PROPOSING $125 PER HOUR. 
          REASON BEING IS ONCE THAT FACILITY DOES GET STARTED ON CONSTRUCTION AND GET COMPLETED, WE ARE CALLING IT THE MINI ATRIUM. 
          IT HAS SOME, IT'S GOING TO BE A BEAUTIFUL SPACE. 
          YOU WON'T HAVE TO WALK THROUGH A RECREATION CENTER TO GO TO YOUR EVENT, TO STANDALONE FACILITY. 
          UM, WE'VE ADDED SOME DIFFERENT THINGS WITH AB EQUIPMENT AND JUST THE LIGHTING, THE AESTHETICS OF IT'S GOING TO BE VERY NICE. 
          SO, UM, THAT IS THE RATE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO CHARGE FOR THE GRINDER ANNEX. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE ONE CALLED AUDUBON TURF AND GILL FIELDS PATIO. 
          OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE RECENTLY COMPLETED PROJECTS. 
          AND, UM, SO WE ARE KEEPING THOSE IN LINE WITH OUR OTHER OUTDOOR SPACES THAT WE HAVE WITH HOLLABAUGH PAVILION. 
          UM, AND SO WE HAVE RATE INCREASES THERE. 
          UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO AWAY WITH HAVING TWO DIFFERENT FEES AND HAVE ONE, ONE FEE, WHETHER YOU, REGARDLESS OF THE TIME THAT YOU RENT THE SPACE, UM, AND TO GIVE YOU SOME JUST HISTORICAL INFORMATION PRE COVID IN THE WORLD, UM, FROM 2018 TO 2019, AND DURING THAT, THE SCHOOL YEAR, WE DID 46 WEEKDAY RESERVATIONS TOTAL FOR THE YEAR. 
          SO OUT OF SIX RECREATION CENTERS, WE DID 46 TOTAL. 
          AND, UM, CURRENTLY FOR THIS YEAR, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE CLOSED FOR COVID, THEN WE DIDN'T DO RESERVATIONS. 
          WE DIDN'T HAVE PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING AND ALL OF THAT. 
          SO FROM OCTOBER THROUGH MARCH OF THIS YEAR, WE'VE DONE 29 WEEKDAY RESERVATIONS. 
          SO IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS IN HIGH DEMAND. 
          SO WE ARE PROPOSING JUST TO STANDARDIZE THE RATE. 
          AND, UM, SO YOU'LL SEE WHAT WE DID ON THOSE IS WE JUST ADDED ON THE, WE TOOK THE CURRENT WEEKEND RATE AND THEN INCREASED THOSE. 
          SO EVERYBODY HAS ALL OF THOSE PROPOSED CHANGES THAT THEY CAN LOOK AT IN THE PRE MEETING. 
          THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ON, SHOULD WE DO AWAY WITH THE WEEKDAY RATE, UM, BECAUSE IT IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IF YOU DID HAPPEN TO RENT DURING THE WEEKDAY, UM, IT'S A DIFFERENT, UH, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT, MORE OF A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FOR THOSE USERS. 
          HOWEVER, UM, JUST DUE TO EITHER PROGRAM AVAILABILITY, TAKING UP, UM, SPACE IN THE REC CENTERS, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE SPACE TO RENT IT. 
          IT'S NOT HIGH DEMAND FOR OUR USERS. 
          SO, UM, WE, AS STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING JUST TO DO IT THE WAY WITH THAT WEEKDAY RATE. 
          SO I WILL OPEN THAT UP TO DISCUSSION, OR 
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IF SOMEBODY FROM THE EARLIER MEETING WANTS TO START THAT OFF, UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS, THIS PROPOSED FEE THAT SUGGESTED BY THE STAFF. 
          ACTUALLY, I HAVE A MOTION FROM DON KERNER WHO WAS SECOND I'LL SECOND SECOND FROM JONATHAN FERGUSON. 
          OKAY. 
          DO WE HAVE DISCUSSION? DO WE NEED TO TALK MR. CARTER? YEAH, THERE YOU GO. 
          THANK YOU GUYS. 
          UM, IS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING NOW TO JUST DO AWAY WITH THE WEEKDAY FEE AND MAKE IT THE SAME FOR THE WEEKEND AND IT WOULD MAKE IT ALL SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. 
          IT'S CORRECT. 
          WE WOULD JUST HAVE ONE FEE INSTEAD OF TWO DIFFERENT RATES INSTEAD OF TWO DIFFERENT FEES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN IN LOOKING AT THIS, UM, I WAS TRYING TO GO BACK TO MY NOTES THAT I HAD BEFORE WE STARTED THE FIRST MEETING, UH, ALL THE ONE OUTDOOR TURF AND GAYLE FIELDS PATIO. 
          UM, WE HAD THOSE, WE HAD THOSE DOWN AT THE, AT, AT THE LOW END AND THEN WE HAD THE HOLLYBURN PAVILION. 
          IS IT A, IS IT DIFFERENT THAN INDEPENDENCE, FREESTANDING PAVILION OUT THERE AND IT IT'S, IT'S OPEN. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S A, FREE-STANDING WHERE THESE OTHERS ARE. 
          UM, AT AUTOBON YOU'VE GOT THE SIZE. 
          IS THIS THE SIDE PATIO THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT? ALL THIS AT BOTH FACILITIES, UM, WHERE YOU CAN ENTER, UH, THE AUDUBON AREA IS FENCED, BUT YOU CAN STILL ENTER FROM THE OUTSIDE IF WE UNLOCK THAT GATE. 
          AND THEN FIELDS IS CURRENTLY NOT FENCED. 
          IT'S NOT FENCED. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND THEN THE QUESTION THAT WE HAD IN YOU, YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF RESENTING. 
          THIS IS THAT, UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A $5 INCREASE, BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE IS MADE A $5 OVER ALL OF THE WEEKEND FEES AND THEN MADE THE WEEKDAY FEES RISE TO THAT SAME LEVEL. 
          AND THEN THE QUESTION I WOULD ASK FOR IS FOR THE GROUP TO SEE IF THEY COMMENT ON IS, DO YOU THINK THAT BY HAVING THE SAME RATE ON, ON THE WEEKDAYS AND THE WEEKENDS WOULD MAYBE MAKE MORE PEOPLE GO TO THE WEEKEND, WHICH WOULD THEN MAYBE GIVE US WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM, IF WE WERE LUCKY, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M HOPING THAT ALL OF THE NEW FACILITIES ARE GOING TO DRAMATICALLY INCREASE THEIR USAGE. 
          NOW THEY, THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF REASON TO BE THERE IN THE PAST, UM, WHERE WE, WHERE WE'D GOTTEN TO THROUGH THE BAD TIMES AND EVERYTHING, BUT WE'RE COMING OUT OF THAT COMPLETELY NOW. 
          SO, UM, THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU THINK THAT THE WEEKDAY FEES SHOULD BE RAISED TO THE SAME AS THE WEEKEND FEES? I DO. 
          I'M MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION. 
          YES, SIR. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE, UM, THE DEMAND DURING THE WEEK. 
          SO YOU'RE DOUBLING THE FEE, WHICH TO ME SEEMS YOU'RE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST THOSE THAT ARE USING IT. 
          THE SENIORS THAT ARE THERE THAT WERE AT AUDUBON AND GATHERING FOR THEIR BRIDGE GAME. 
          SO IT IS NOT A RENTAL. 
          NO, MA'AM AND USE IT. 
          SO I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF MY QUESTION AND I, I COULD UNDERSTAND IF YOU HAVE TO, UM, IF YOU HAVE A HIGH DEMAND THAT YOU WOULD RAISE THE FEES, SO THAT, THAT WOULD LOWER THE DEMAND. 
          YES. 
          BUT WHEN THE DEMAND HAS BEEN LOW AND IT'S GONE AND DOUBLING THE FEES SEEMS TO ME THAT WE HAVE IS THE GOAL JUST TO LEAVE THE MEETING ROOMS EMPTY AND AIRING. 
          CAN I CHIME IN ON THAT A LITTLE BIT? DO YOU MIND, I WANT TO MAYBE GO BACK A LITTLE BIT. 
          DOES EVERYBODY REMEMBER THE COST RECOVERY PYRAMID? DID WE COVER THAT SOME TIME AGO? SO SOMETHING TO MAYBE KEEP IN MIND IS THAT IN THAT COST RECOVERY PYRAMID, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE THINGS AT THE BOTTOM THAT ARE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AS COMPARED THAT WILL HAVE HIGHER SUBSIDY IS COMPARED TO THE THINGS AT THE TOP OF THE PYRAMID ARE GOING TO BE INDIVIDUAL BENEFIT. 
          SO RENTALS FALL UNDER THAT INDIVIDUAL BENEFIT AT THE TOP. 
          SO THAT MEANS IT BENEFITS ONLY THAT PERSON'S BABY SHOWER, WEDDING, WHATEVER, WHEREAS THE PROGRAMS, WHETHER THEY BE FOR SENIORS, YOUTH, WHATEVER MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF SUBSIDY. 
          UM, AND SO THE THINGS THAT ARE INTO INDIVIDUAL BENEFIT TEND TO BE TOTAL COST RECOVERY PLUS A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO THIS DOES TWO THINGS. 
          IT MIRRORS THAT INTENTION, THAT CONSISTENCY ACROSS HOW WE PRICE, UH, AS WELL AS THE COST FOR OPERATING THE RENTAL DURING THE WEEK IS THE EXACT SAME STAFF WISE. 
          IT IS ON THE WEEKEND. 
          SO IF WE'RE GOING TO RECOVER THAT COST FOR SOMETHING THAT IS AN INDIVIDUAL BENEFIT, WE'VE GOT TO RECOVER THAT REGARDLESS. 
          AND SO THIS FITS THAT PYRAMID IN THAT PHILOSOPHY, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT CONSISTENT. 
          SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO VARY A LITTLE BIT, BUT I THOUGHT I'D ADD THAT ADDITIONAL DESCRIPTION ON HOW WE, HOW THAT RATIONALE GETS APPLIED TO A VARIETY OF FEES. 
          YES, WE'RE NOT TALKING TO ME. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE COUNCIL. 
          PEOPLE 
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WANT TO HAVE THEIR TOWN HALL MEETINGS. 
          THAT'S NOT A PAID RESERVATION. 
          IF WE HAVE THE NON EXEMPT GROUPS THAT ARE MEETING THAT WE BRING TO YOU GUYS, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, CRIME, WATCH GROUPS, THOSE THEY'RE NOT PAYING THESE FEES. 
          THIS IS FOR, I WANT TO COME IN AND DO A BABY SHOWER. 
          I WANT MY KID'S BIRTHDAY. 
          I WANT TO HAVE WELL, WE'VE HAD ALL KINDS OF THINGS AWAKE, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION TOO. 
          UH, HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THE RATES? SO WE DID A BENCHMARK AND CAME UP WITH THE RATES BASED ON THAT WE LOOKED AT WHERE WE FELL WITH THAT BENCHMARK AND COMPARED TO 11 OTHER CITIES, DID ANY OF THOSE OTHER CITIES DO WEEKEND VERSUS WEEKDAY RATES? YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENT NON-RESIDENT AND THEN THERE ARE SOME THAT HAVE AFTER HOUR FEES, WHICH I WOULD SAY THAT IS, UM, UM, THAT WAS CARROLLTON HAS AN AFTER HOURS FEE. 
          THERE'S SOME THAT DO DEPOSITS. 
          I MEAN, NO FAIR QUESTION, BUT JUST TO REITERATE, THERE WAS ONLY 40 OR SO RENTALS IN A YEAR SPANS. 
          SO PRE COVID IN THE WORLD SIX CENTERS, CORRECT? YEAH. 
          YOU HAVE SIX RE UM, RECREATION CENTERS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN RENT AND THIS IS NOT EVEN INCLUDING, CAUSE AT THE TIME WE WEREN'T EVEN DOING RENTALS AT, UM, THE SENIOR CENTERS. 
          UM, SO THERE WERE 46 TOTAL IN A YEAR. 
          AND SO THAT'S NOT EVEN ONE A WEEK. 
          SO JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT, I'M FOR EVERYTHING ON HERE, EXCEPT FOR GETTING RID OF THE WEEKDAY RATE IN THE CLASSROOM SETTINGS THAT AREN'T BEING RENTED. 
          NOW, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH, WITH GRANGER AND THAT HUGE INCREASE THERE FOR A HUGE, UH, DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT IS AVAILABLE THERE VERSUS JUST A GYM, LIKE SETTING WITH BATHROOMS THAT SOMETIMES WORK, UM, THE AUDUBON TURF, THE WEEKEND CROWD USING, CAUSE THAT'S WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE MORE MANAGEABLE. 
          UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO ADD A, YOU KNOW, A NON-RESIDENT FEE BECAUSE AS RESIDENTS, WE ARE PAYING FOR THESE PUBLIC FACILITIES. 
          SO WE CURRENTLY DON'T EVEN DO THAT WITH, UM, ARE THOSE FEES. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, BASED ON HOW Y'ALL THE DIRECTION THAT YOU GUYS PROVIDE, WILL IT NEED TO BRING BACK SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO THE MAIN MEETING, IF THIS IS NOT OR REVISE, LIKE IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH KEEPING THE WEEKDAY RATE SO THAT THERE IS A DISCOUNT AND WE JUST DON'T DO THAT. 
          ARE THERE GROUPS THAT WANT TO COME IN ON THE WEEKENDS, BUT THEY CAN'T DO IT OR CAN THERE BE A PREFERENCE GIVEN TO RESIDENTS OVER NON-RESIDENTS? ARE THERE GROUPS THAT WANT TO COME IN ON ARE THEIR MEETING ROOMS THAT ARE POPULAR AND YOU HAVE TO WAIT IN LINE TO GET SO OUR BOOKING, I MEAN THAT WE ARE HEAVILY UTILIZED, UM, FOR OUR WEEKEND RESERVATIONS BECAUSE ANYBODY CAN COME AND MEET THERE. 
          YEP. 
          SO HEAVILY USED. 
          SO YOU HAVE POTENTIALLY, I JUST BELIEVE IF YOU HAVE A GARLAND CITIZEN THAT WANTS TO GO TO USE A GARLAND FACILITY TO HAVE A PARTY THAT THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN SOME SORT OF PREFERENCE OVER A NON RESIDENT. 
          AND IF THEY WANT TO COME DO THAT DURING THE WEEK WHERE IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE UP EXTRA PARKING SPACE AND IT'S NOT COMPETING WITH OTHER ACTIVITIES THEY'RE IN THE GYM OR SCHOOL PROGRAMS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET A LOWER RATE AS THEY WOULD AT ANY PUBLIC FACILITY. 
          IT JUST KIND OF MAKES SENSE TO ME SIMPLIFYING THE RATES. 
          I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT CAUSE I JUST PERCEIVE THAT IT'S PENALIZE PENALIZING, THE GRAY HAIRED GROUP. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, I THINK WHAT'S CURIOUS ABOUT THAT IS, IS THAT WHEN IT WAS ALREADY AT THE DISCOUNTED RATE THAT DISCOUNTED RATE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO STIMULATE THE DEMAND, IT WAS, IT, IT DIDN'T INCREASE. 
          SO IT, THERE WAS NO DEMAND THERE EVEN AT THE LOWER RATE. 
          SO TYPICALLY WHEN YOU DO PRICING LIKE THAT, YOU'VE GOT SOME KIND OF DIFFERENTIAL PRICING FOR A REASON IT'S EITHER TO INCENTIVIZE USE AND IN NON-PEAK TIMES OR FOR WHATEVER BUSINESS PURPOSE YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          SO IT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE IN GENERAL, YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THE BUILDING FULL OF PROGRAMS. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THINGS SET ASIDE FOR RENTALS. 
          AND SO THERE'S A BALANCE THERE AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO RENT WOULD BE THE, WHATEVER THE FEES WE END UP WITH. 
          SO IT'S NOT THAT THE DEMAND FOR WEEKDAY W W WE DIDN'T PERCEIVE THAT WE WERE PENALIZING ANYBODY BECAUSE THE DEMAND'S NOT EVEN THERE. 
          I MEAN, 46 OVER SIX FACILITIES IS NEXT TO NOTHING. 
          SO A LITTLE BIT LOWER. 
          IF IT'S THE SAME PRICE AS A WEEKEND, I WOULD, IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT NOT. 
          WE DON'T KNOW. 
          AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE COULD TRY AND REPORT BACK AND SEE, IT MAY NOT, IT MAY HAVE NO IMPACT CAUSE IT MIGHT BE. 
          AND WE COULD MAYBE DO DEEPER DIVE ON WHAT THOSE RENTALS ARE AND WHO THEY ARE. 
          WHAT KIND OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSE OF THAT WAS, UM, IF IT'S, IF THEY ENDED UP IN THAT SPACE, 
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BECAUSE AVAILABILITY ON THE WEEKEND DIDN'T EXIST, THEY TOOK THE SECOND BEST THING, POSSIBLY NOT BECAUSE IT WAS THEIR PREFERRED TIME. 
          HOW MANY CENTERS ARE RE RENOVATING AND HAVING MEETING ROOMS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN THEY'VE BEEN IN THE PAST. 
          AND I HAVE MORE FACILITIES THERE NOW, ALBEIT ONE. 
          SO THERE'S MORE THERE FOR PEOPLE TO DO WHERE THEY MAY WANT TO COME NECESSARILY. 
          THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY MORE ROOMS, THEY'RE GENERALLY NICER ROOMS. SO THE ONES THAT'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL SPACE WILL BE PRETTY MUCH AUDUBON AND OFFERED. 
          HELLO, THANK YOU. 
          IT'S AND IT'S GETTING EXPANDED. 
          SO, UM, BRADFIELD IS, WAS NOT IN THE BOND PROGRAM FOR, TO RECEIVE ANY CHANGES IT MIGHT IN THE FUTURE. 
          BUT, UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS THE RATIONALE FOR SIMPLIFYING THINGS. 
          NOW FOR THE NON-RESIDENT ISSUE, WE COULD CERTAINLY EXPLORE THAT. 
          I WOULD PUT OUT THERE FOR DISCUSSION THAT IT IS A MUCH MORE COMPLEX DISCUSSION THAN PROBABLY TONIGHT AND A RESIDENT COULD SIT THERE AND BE THE FACE OF THE PERSON THAT'S, UM, RENTING, I GUESS. 
          UH, AND IN EITHER WAY, THERE'S NO LIABILITY THAT FALLS UPON THE RENTAL RENTER ANYWAY IS SO IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. 
          NO, AND IT, AND IT, AND THERE'S ABSOLUTELY MANY CITIES DO RESIDENT NON-RESIDENT FOR THE EXACT SAME REASON. 
          YOU SAID. 
          SO YOUR PHILOSOPHICALLY, THAT ARGUMENTS MADE ALL THE TIME. 
          I JUST WANT TO BE DELICATE WITH THAT DISCUSSION FOR THE FACT THAT IT'S LOGISTICALLY DIFFICULT WHEN YOU START VERIFYING THOSE, THOSE ADDRESSES THAT IT'S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. 
          SO NOT THAT IT CAN'T BE DONE, IT'S JUST, IT'S A BIG DISCUSSION. 
          AND WHAT WOULD THAT RIPPLE EFFECT BE CITYWIDE? SO I FEEL LIKE THAT DISCUSSION MAY BE BROADER THAN JUST PARKS AND REC, MAYBE NOT, BUT IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A ROAD TO GO DOWN THAT IF THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE COUNCIL END UP GOING, THAT WE COULD MAKE IT HAPPEN. 
          IT'S JUST A, IT'S A BIG DISCUSSION JUST FROM PAST EXPERIENCE. 
          IT, SOMETIMES IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO ACTUALLY ASCERTAIN SOMEBODY RESIDENCY. 
          IT, IT TAKES TIME AT THE FRONT DESK FOR THEM TO BUY THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE. 
          NO, NO, I DUNNO. 
          MAYBE SOMEBODY LIKE ED COULD HELP ME ON THE MATH, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU TAKE SOMETHING FROM 30 TO 60 AND YOU'RE NOT RENTING IT, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD ALSO DECREASE, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN BY HALF. 
          SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE GOAL IS JUST TO STANDARDIZE THE FEE RATHER THAN FILL THE ROOMS WITH, UM, PEOPLE AND HAVING THE PUBLIC HAVE ACCESS TO IT. 
          BUT I THINK SO, JUST MAKE SURE I'M CLARIFYING. 
          SO DURING THE WEEK DAY WEATHER, THAT THAT NUMBER IS LOW PROBABLY FOR MULTIPLE REASONS. 
          ONE THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GOING TO BE HEAVIEST WITH HAPPENING WITH ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS. SO THE SPACE MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE. 
          SO WHETHER I CHANGE THIS FEAR, NOT, AND YOU WANT TO COME IN AND RENT DURING THAT WEEK DAY, IT JUST MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE DUE TO KARATE'S IN THERE AND BALLY'S IN THERE. 
          AND SO I JUST DON'T MAY NOT HAVE THE SPACE, UM, OR IT COULD ALSO JUST BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, BEFORE FIVE AND, YOU KNOW, REALISTICALLY, MOST OF PEOPLE DO THEIR EVENTS ON THE WEEKENDS. 
          AND SO THERE'S JUST NOT MUCH OF A DEMAND. 
          I WAS JUST THINKING THAT IF I WERE WORKING AT THE CENTER, THAT I WOULD RATHER TO SEE ONE OR TWO OF MY MEETING ROOMS, UM, USED DURING THE WEEK, RATHER THAN ALWAYS BUSY ON THE WEEKEND AND THE NOT UTILIZING, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE YOUR TIME'S MORE DIVIDED. 
          THERE'S JUST MORE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE AVILA AVAILABILITIES ON THE WEEKEND. 
          AND THERE'S MORE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE AVAILABILITY LATER. 
          THAT'S WHY RESTAURANTS DO HAPPY HOUR. 
          SO MAYBE YOU WOULD CONSIDER A, UH, RECREATION HAPPY HOUR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE AT A TIME THAT YOU DON'T NORMALLY HAVE PROGRAMMING, THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE RESIDENT OR THE USER. 
          I THINK THE CHALLENGE, AND I HEAR EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          AND WITH THE HOURS THAT THEY'RE OPEN, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU MIGHT HAVE A CLASS GO TILL EIGHT O'CLOCK CENTER CLOSES AT NINE, RIGHT? SO YOU DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF WHAT'S LEFT AND THAT, SO IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, THAT'S WHY THE DEMAND, I WOULD VENTURE TO GUESS THAT IF YOU DROPPED IT TO FREE, WE WOULDN'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGE IN THE, IN THE NUMBERS, JUST BECAUSE OF THE COMBINATION OF AVAILABLE SLOTS AFTER WHAT'S LEFT OVER FROM PROGRAMMING, I WOULD SAY THAT IT LOOKS AWKWARD MAKING A HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH UNDER THE WEEKEND, THE WEEKDAY RENTAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SINCE YOU'VE DONE THE MARKET SURVEY AND THAT THESE PRICES ARE IN LINE, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY LET'S GO FORWARD WITH ONE. 
          RIGHT? OKAY. 
          AND HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT WHAT I'M HEARING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE OF HOW THE CITY FEES ARE DONE, WHETHER THEY'RE IN THE ORDINANCE OR JUST IN THE BUDGET PROCESS, YOU COULD TRY THIS OUT. 
          AND IF IT GOES IN A POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE DIRECTION, WE CAN REACT TO IT A LOT QUICKER WITH THE PROPOSED WAY 
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THIS MIGHT BE LOOKED AT. 
          SO THERE'S NO HARM IN SAYING, OKAY, THE RATIONALE IS X, Y, AND Z. 
          LET'S GO FORWARD WITH IT. 
          LET'S MEASURE AND DOCUMENT HOW PEOPLE RESPOND TO IT. 
          AND THEN IF IT WORKS GREAT, IF IT DOESN'T REEVALUATE, WELL, LET ME ASK YOU DID BALT SPRINGS. 
          WERE THEY PART OF THE MIX? NO, THEY ARE NOT. 
          BUT WHAT ABOUT MESQUITE? YES. 
          ISKEY WAS INCLUDED. 
          WHAT ABOUT PLANO? NO, LET ME LIST THEM FOR YOU. 
          RELIT MS. SKEETE DALLAS CARROLLTON, RICHARDSON, WILEY ROCKWALL, ALLEN LEWISVILLE, IRVING, AND FRISCO. 
          AND SO IT'S A BALANCING ACT BETWEEN ARE WE PRICING IT IN A WAY THAT MIRRORS THE VALUE OF THE NEW IMPROVED PRODUCT VERSUS STABILITY OF RESIDENTS TO PAY? SO YOU DON'T WANT TO BE ON THE HIGH END. 
          YOU DON'T WANT TO BE ON THE LOW END. 
          SO WE FEEL THAT SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE, LIKE WE WERE SAYING EARLIER, SOMETIMES, UM, PEOPLE WON'T TAKE SOMETHING FOR FREE BECAUSE IT HAS NO PERCEIVED VALUE. 
          LIKE WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT. 
          IF IT'S TOO CHEAP, ONE-ON-ONE IT, WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT. 
          SO THERE'S A HAPPY MEDIUM BETWEEN COST RECOVERY OF TRUE COSTS AND A PROFIT CENTER. 
          TO WHAT DEGREE IS IT A PROFIT CENTER? AND SO I FEEL LIKE WE TRIED TO STRIKE A HAPPY BALANCE BETWEEN NOT TOO MUCH AND NOT TOO LITTLE. 
          LET ME GIVE YOU SO MOSQUITO OUR NEIGHBOR AND THEY DO HAVE A RESIDENT NON-RESIDENT RATE IS PENDING, YOU KNOW, THE SIZE OF THE ROOM. 
          IT CAN BE FOR A RESIDENT 30 TO A HUNDRED DOLLARS AND NON-RESIDENT IS 50 TO 110. 
          SO THEN YOU CAN LOOK AT WHERE WE SIT CURRENTLY AND OUR PROPOSED FEES. 
          AND WE STILL AREN'T AT THEIR MAX. 
          I MEAN, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ANNEX, BUT I REALLY FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT. 
          THE MINI I LIKE THE MINI MINI ATRIUM. 
          THAT'S REALLY A GOOD NAME FOR THAT. 
          WELL, AND THAT'S NOT MY, THAT'S NOT MY POINT OF CONTENTION. 
          UH, MY QUESTIONING IS ONLY ON THE CLASSROOM PART IN, I GUESS YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION AS FAR AS THE PEOPLE THAT WERE WILLING TO GET TOGETHER, I GUESS, BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING TO OUTSOURCE THE SENIOR CENTER ACTIVITIES TO OTHER PLACES, BUT YEAH, FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE NEAR FUTURE, THAT WILL ABSOLUTELY BE AN IMPACT. 
          BUT TH THOSE FOLKS TEND TO BE DONE BEFORE FOUR O'CLOCK, BUT IT MAY MEAN OTHER THINGS GET DISPLACED BY DEFAULT, YOU KNOW, SOME CLASSES GET MOVED AROUND, SO IT, IT'S DEFINITELY A CHALLENGE. 
          AND SO, UNFORTUNATELY WHAT'S IN THE MIDDLE IN TERMS OF RENTAL AVAILABILITY, IT'S LEFTOVERS, BECAUSE PROGRAMMING IS TAKES THE PRECEDENCE. 
          CAUSE THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT HAVE THE BROADER COMMUNITY BENEFIT. 
          YEAH. 
          ONE QUICK QUESTION. 
          ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR MS. WILLIAMS. UM, AND AT ONE POINT IN TIME, YOU MENTIONED THAT A TWO HOUR MINIMUM. 
          WHEN, WHEN DOES, WHEN DOES THAT KICK IN? CAUSE THAT THAT COULD AFFECT, UM, WHAT MR. BISHOP IS TALKING ABOUT. 
          IF YOU HAVE A TWO HOUR MINIMUM ON A WEEKEND, MAYBE IN AN EVENING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AS OPPOSED TO A ONE HOUR THAT MIGHT AFFECT SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE AND MOVE THEM BACK TO DURING THE WEEK WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE, WHAT WORKS ON THE TWO HOUR. 
          KATE, DO YOU HAVE THAT ONE PULLED UP? CAN YOU LOOK ON THE, I DON'T, I'M NOT RETAINING THAT AT THE MOMENT I RECALLING IT. 
          IT'S, UM, ONE HOUR WEEKDAYS AND I THINK IT'S TWO HOURS WEEKENDS, BUT IS THAT RIGHT? YOU WANT THE ORDINANCE OR DON'T LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE ORDINANCE IS ACTUALLY WRONG ASKING ABOUT THE EXISTING OR THE PROPOSED THE EXISTING OF THE HOUR VERSUS TWO. 
          I THINK IT'S ONE HOUR WEEKDAYS AND TWO HOURS WEEKEND. 
          THAT'S NOT CHANGING. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S RIGHT. 
          WE'RE NOT MESSING WITH IT RIGHT THERE. 
          NEGATES, UH, UH, PART OF WHAT MS. BISHOP IS TALKING ABOUT WITH PEOPLE MOVING TO THE WEEKEND, IF THEY ONLY NEED AN HOUR, BUT THEY HAVE A TWO HOUR MINIMUM, THEN, THEN THAT WILL HELP THE LOAD ON, ON THAT SIDE. 
          AND, UH, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT CLARIFIED. 
          CAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN MY MIND. 
          WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT BEFORE, SO THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          AND TO THAT POINT, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. 
          EVEN WITH THE ACCOMMODATION OF GOING TO AN HOUR WINDOW, I CAN'T THINK OF AN EVENT THAT YOU COULD GET THERE, SET UP, HAVE THE EVENT TEAR DOWN, CLEAN UP BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THEIR RENTAL TIME. 
          IT'S JUST NOT PART OF THE, THE MARKET OF THOSE. 
          AND THEN THE WEEKENDS THEN DO THEY TEND TO GO LONGER THAN THAT? EVEN LIKE THREE HOURS, FOUR HOURS, THERE'S MORE COMMON THAN TWO. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          IF I COULD JUST SAY, JUST FROM SPEAKING PROFESSIONALLY, I GUESS FROM WHAT I CURRENTLY DO, UH, DAVE REYNOLDS TEND TO BE BUSINESS MEETINGS. 
          LIKE A COMPANY JUST NEEDS TO, HEY, I NEED TO PUT TOGETHER A RETREAT FOR MY TEAM. 
          AND THOSE ARE THERE DURING THE DAY WHEN THERE'S LITTLE TO NO YOUTH PROGRAMMING OR ANYTHING THAT COULD TAKE IT UP. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE RENTALS I TEND TO SEE IN A NEIGHBORING CITY. 
          THAT'S NOT RESIDENTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IT'S NOT, AND IT'S NOT, THEY DON'T TEND TO BE RESONANT. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THOSE THINGS YOU INCENTIVIZE, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE OPERATIONS OF ANY FACILITY AND YOU'VE GOT PEAK TIMES AND SLOW TIMES, WELL, WHAT CAN I DO TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO FILL IN THAT SLOW TIME IT'S AVAILABLE EITHER I GOT TO PUT A PROGRAM IN IT OR I GOT TO RENT IT OUT. 
          IF I RENT IT OUT, WHO'S MY MARKET. 
          AND THAT'S ABSOLUTELY, WE SEE THAT 
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AT THE ATRIUM, THAT'S A MARKET. 
          WE GO AFTER IN THE ATRIUM TO FILL IN THE WEEKDAYS BECAUSE WEEKENDS ARE WEDDINGS AND AIR AND GET GUESTROOMS. SO IS THIS LIKE, SHOULD THIS BE MORE OF A MARKETING THINGS? AND SHOULD WE BE TALKING TO THAT CONVENTION AND VISITOR'S BUREAU THAT YOU HAVE SOME TIME AVAILABLE DURING THE DAY FOR BUSINESS MEETINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          WE WILL TAKE THEM. 
          I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING OF WAYS TO BOOST THE FEES. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THE ONLY POSSIBLE PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE THAT CAN COME DURING THE WEEK ARE EITHER RETIRED OR UNEMPLOYED AND THOSE ON THE WEEKEND, UM, MAY STILL FALL UNDER THAT, BUT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT MORE COMPETITION FOR THOSE PREMIUM TIMES AND HOURS. 
          I JUST SEEMS LIKE IF IT'S, IF IT'S NOT BEING FILLED AT 30 AND YOU RAISE IT TO 60 AND IT DISAPPEARS JUST ON THE CLASSROOM MEETING ROOM SLASH SECTION, THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I KIND OF HAVE THAT REALLY JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. 
          AND I THINK WE TOTALLY HEAR THE CONCERN. 
          I THINK JUST THE CUSTOMER BEHAVIOR IS WHAT WE'RE GOING OFF OF BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DISTINGUISH WEEKDAY AND WEEKNIGHT ALSO. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT THAT'S DIFFERENT TIME SLOTS. 
          SO MOSTLY WE HOPE THERE'S PROGRAMS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, BUT I, I DO, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF LET'S LOOK AT HOW THIS GOES, SEE WHAT THE BEHAVIOR IS. 
          IF WE SEE THINGS CHANGE WILDLY THAN WE CAN ADDRESS IT AT, AT ANY GIVEN TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          MOREHEAD, UH, AS, AS I SEE YOUR, YOU ALREADY HAVE A STANDARDIZED PHASE FOR THE GYM USE THAT IT IS CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE WEEK. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          AND ARE YOU SEEING ANY, UM, TIME USAGE DIFFERENTIAL, UM, WEEKEND VERSE EVENING VERSE WAKE DAY OR ANYTHING DOES THAT DOES HAVING A STANDARDIZED FAITH FOR THE GYMS? DOES THAT SEEM TO IMPACT WHEN IT IS USED? WELL, MOST OF THOSE RENTALS ARE PROBABLY ON THE WEEKEND BECAUSE THEY WANT A BIGGER SPACE. 
          SO A GOOD EXAMPLE IS PRE PRE AUDUBON BEING RENOVATED. 
          THEY WOULD RENT THE GYMNASIUM BECAUSE IT ALLOWED FOR MORE GUESTS FOR THEIR FACILITY. 
          AND SO THEN THEY, AGAIN, THEY, I MEAN THEY WANTED IT ON THE WEEKEND, SO THEY WEREN'T COMING IN DURING THE DAY. 
          SO NO NOW WE'RE NOT SEEING A CHANGE. 
          THERE IS IT POSSIBLE MAKE, UM, AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION TO REMOVE JUST THE CLASSROOM SIDE OF IT, CLASSROOM SLASH MEETING ROOM SIDE OF IT AND APPROVE ALL THE REST OF THESE, THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN. 
          I WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE, SO THE, THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CLASSROOM OR A MEETING ROOM, IS IT SMALLER THAN A MULTI-PURPOSE ROOM? AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, SOME FACILITIES JUST HAVE MEETING ROOMS, SOME HAVE A MULTI-PURPOSE ROOM, LIKE AUDUBON HAS KNOW BIGGER ROOMS AND SAY BRADFIELD. 
          AND SO WHEN YOU JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT BETWEEN THE CLASSROOM AND THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM, OR JUST THE CLASSROOM, UH, JUST WANTED TO REMOVE OUT OF THE SIX CATEGORIES THAT YOU HAVE, THE CLASSROOM IS THE FIRST CATEGORY THAT'S ON THERE. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION, UH, TO REMOVE THAT AND, AND LEAVE THE REST OF THE WAY THAT IT'S LISTED, THE WAY THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING BY STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND SET THAT TO, UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY, I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION WITH THE REST OF IT CAUSE THEY'RE BIGGER ROOMS AND, UH, GOOD. 
          CAN I GET BACK TO MY ORIGINAL, THESE, WE, WE DISCUSSED THIS EARLIER AND LIKE DILLY SAID, THEY DID SURVEYS. 
          I TRUST THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THEIR FEES, THAT WHEN THEY SET THEIR FEES, THEY DID THEIR RESEARCH. 
          IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO RENT, IT THEY'LL PAY WHATEVER IT IS. 
          IF NOT, THEN THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T DO IT. 
          SO I'LL STICK WITH MY ORIGINAL MOTION THAT WE APPROVE, WHAT THE CITY, WHAT THE STAFF SUGGESTED. 
          AND, AND AS A FOLLOW-UP TO THAT, IF I COULD ADD JUST ONE OF THE, YOU COULD ALMOST CALL ALL OF THESE ROOMS, MULTIPURPOSE THE DIFFERENT SIZES THERE. 
          THEY'RE NOT CUSTOMIZED FOR ONE THING OVER ANOTHER. 
          SO WHETHER IT'S A PROGRAM OR A PRIVATE RENTAL, IT WILL, IT WILL TAKE ON WHAT THE SPACE DEMANDS. 
          SO IF A SMALL ROOM ACCOMMODATES A RENTAL AND IT'S AVAILABLE, THERE YOU GO. 
          IF IT NEEDS TO BE A BIGGER ROOM AND IT'S NOT AVAILABLE, HERE'S SOME ALTERNATIVES. 
          SO WE PUT THE IN CERTAIN ROOMS BASED ON THE SIZE AND RENTALS GO IN THERE BASED ON CERTAIN SIZES. 
          SO IT'S VERY, IT'S VERY FLUID WHEN SOMEBODY STANDING AT THE DESK LOOKING FOR AVAILABILITY AND SAID, WELL, I HAVE THIS ROOM AVAILABLE, BUT IT ONLY HOLDS 50 PEOPLE. 
          WELL, I HAVE A HUNDRED SAME THING WITH, WITH CLASSES. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S, UH, I GUESS BACK TO MY, KIND OF MY LEFTOVER ANALOGY, THAT'S TENDS 
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TO BE WIDE. 
          A LOT OF RENTALS DO NOT HAPPEN IN WEEK NIGHTS. 
          SO WHAT'S A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME TO KIND OF WATCH THESE FEES AND HOW THIS WORKS OUT AND REPORT BACK TO US ON, YOU KNOW, HOW THE CHANGES, WELL, IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, THIS WOULD BE A PART OF THE BUDGET ADOPTION, AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          SO IF IT ALL WENT THROUGH, THESE WOULDN'T EVEN TAKE EFFECT UNTIL OCTOBER. 
          AND SO IF WE WANT TO CHANGE IT, IF WE WANT TO CHANGE IT, IT WOULD TAKE ANOTHER YEAR TO GET CHANGED BUDGET AND DEFER TO ANDY ON THAT ONE, POSSIBLY. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN TACKLED YET AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE AND THE COUNCIL LEVEL. 
          THERE'S THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THE FEE THEY DID A BIG FEE STUDY. 
          UM, AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE, WHETHER THAT STAYS IN AN ORDINANCE COMES OUT OF THE ORDINANCE. 
          UH, IS IT ONLY APPROVED IN THE BUDGET CYCLE? UH, ARE THERE CERTAIN PARAMETERS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE CITY MANAGER LEVEL TO APPROVE IT WITHOUT IT BEING THOSE, THOSE THINGS HAVE NOT BEEN DECIDED. 
          UM, BUT JONATHAN, I FEEL LIKE A YEAR YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT DATA, BUT YOU ALSO, WE, WE ALSO ARE GOING TO HAVE FACILITIES CLOSED. 
          AND SO A LOT OF THINGS IMPACT WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT HOLLABACK IS GOING TO BE CLOSED. 
          HOLFORD IS GOING TO BE CLOSED. 
          WE'VE GOT TO THEN MOVE THEIR PROGRAMS TO TRY AND KEEP THEM ALIVE AT OTHER FACILITIES, THE BEST THAT WE CAN ON TOP OF JUST MEETING WHATEVER CENTER THEY'RE AT AND THEY'RE MOVED TO THEIR NORMAL PROGRAMMING. 
          AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE WEIRD FOR AWHILE WHILE THE DATA MAY NOT EVEN BE ACTUALLY A REAL PICTURE, CORRECT. 
          THIS, THE CARTER, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANT TO COME IN TO THE BOARD FOR THIS DISCUSSION. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING IT'S MOST OF US, WE DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE YOU WERE GOING. 
          YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING IT. 
          AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE GO TO GO TO VOTE ON THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR. 
          OKAY. 
          AS IS, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY, SO DISCUSSION'S DONE. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND TO, TO ACCEPT THE PROPOSAL, REVIEW IT, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE. 
          AND, UM, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED. 
          ONE OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          REEVALUATE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR YOUR INPUT. 
          OKAY. 
          ON TO VERBAL BRIEFINGS, THE FIRST ITEM FISCAL YEAR 20 22, 23 PROPOSED ANNUAL BUDGET OPERATING BUDGET. 
          AND IS THAT YUKI OR DOES THAT MEAN EVERYBODY'S NAMES ON HERE EXCEPT THE LI UH, IN A NUTSHELL, UH, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF SUBMITTING OUR ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET TO THE CITY MANAGER. 
          UM, SO WE ARE HAVING STAFF MEETINGS TO ADDRESS ALL THE ISSUES THAT ARE, THAT ARE COMMON TO ANY TYPICAL BUDGET PROCESS PLUS THINGS THAT MIGHT BE NEW RELATED TO THE BOND PROGRAM. 
          SO, UM, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, KEITH TODAY MADE ME MEET FOR EIGHT HOURS STRAIGHT IN ONE ROOM TO DISCUSS ALL THE INDIVIDUAL BUDGETS. 
          AND WE'LL WRAP THAT UP THIS, THIS WEEK. 
          SO THAT THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, AND I THINK, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL IN EARLY AUGUST, UM, FOR ADOPTION, BUT THERE'LL BE MANY, MANY MEETINGS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN AMONGST STAFF AND AMONG CITY MANAGEMENT. 
          SO WE ARE ADDRESSING, UH, NEEDS. 
          I KNOW THERE'S ALSO SOME GREAT ECONOMIC CHALLENGES AHEAD OF ALL CITIES, UM, AS WE ALL KNOW, SO THOSE ARE GONNA TRY TO BE ADDRESSED IN TERMS OF INFLATION AND WE'VE GOT STAFFING CHALLENGES AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S JUST THIS TIME OF YEAR THAT WE WRAP UP THE CIP BUDGET PROCESS, TAKE A BREATH AND START THE NEXT ONE IMMEDIATELY AFTER HEATH. 
          DID I MISS ANYTHING IMPORTANT? YEAH. 
          SO AT SOME POINT IN THE PROCESS, YOU GUYS COME BACK AND WE TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL, THE COUNCIL, AND THEN THE, BECAUSE THIRD, WE WILL PROVIDE YOU THE BUDGET. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A DATE YET FOR WHEN WE DO OUR COUNCIL PRESENTATION. 
          SO MOST LIKELY WE WILL COME BACK TO SANDBERG, UH, BASICALLY WHAT WE PROVIDED FIRST MEETING. 
          HOW, HOW ARE WE ON STAFFING PART BOARD? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          UM, YOU BEAT ME TO IT, IT'S A CHALLENGE 
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FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS IN ALL CITIES RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, THE MARKET IS STRANGE. 
          UM, GETTING PEOPLE HIRED IS DIFFICULT. 
          SALARIES ARE A COMPETITION FOR THOSE THAT ARE IN THE WORKFORCE IS, IS INCREASING. 
          SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF STRATEGIES THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO EMPLOY TO, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS RECRUITMENT, ADDRESS ANY SHORTFALLS AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY AVAILABLE. 
          SO, UM, ADDING FTES AS PART OF THAT STRATEGY, BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT SOME OTHER THINGS. 
          SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING AT THE NEXT COUNCIL WORK SESSION IS PRESENTING. 
          AND I BELIEVE YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THE BROADER VERSION OF IT IS THE PARK OPERATIONS MAINTENANCE PLAN AND THE KIND OF HOW THAT'S PUT TOGETHER AND THE MEASUREMENTS AND THE DATA WE USE TO ESTIMATE HOW MANY FTES IT TAKES TO MAINTAIN THE PARK SYSTEM AT A CERTAIN LEVEL. 
          UH, SO WE'LL PRESENT THAT AT THE WORK SESSION. 
          LOVE TO HAVE EVERYBODY THERE TO, TO SEE THAT. 
          CAUSE IT MIGHT DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE NOW IT'S STARTING TO TIE INTO THOSE BUDGET REQUESTS RELATED TO FTE. 
          SO WHEN IS IT A MONDAY, RIGHT FROM MONDAY WEEK. 
          FROM MONDAY. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE'LL, WE'LL PRESENT MOSTLY PARK OPERATIONS IN THAT CASE. 
          AND WE'LL SHOW THE MEASUREMENTS OF IF WE'RE SHORT X NUMBER OF FULL-TIME EQUIVALENTS, HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT SHORTFALL AND OVER HOW MUCH AMOUNT OF TIME? SO WE HAVE TWO THINGS IN THAT REGARD FOR PARK OPS IS PLAYING A LITTLE BIT OF CATCH UP, PLUS ALL THE NEW THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT AND ADDED. 
          SO WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE A STRATEGY OF HOW TO DO THAT. 
          AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS ABOUT ADDING STAFF, BUT IT'S A BIG COMPONENT. 
          UM, ANYTIME WE ADD NEW THINGS LIKE SPECIAL EVENTS, THAT'S ANOTHER CHALLENGE. 
          IT'S A DEMAND ON DIRECT STAFF TO PARK STAFF, SPECIAL EVENTS, STAFF, ALL TO KICK IN AND HELP WITH THOSE EVENTS. 
          UM, SO NEW EVENTS EQUALS, UH, NEW RESOURCES NEEDED. 
          SO WE'VE, WE'VE GOT SOME GROUND TO MAKE UP, BUT WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES WILL BE COMPETING WITH EVERYONE ELSE. 
          THE DOWNTOWN THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF OUR COST. 
          UH, IT WILL, THEY GET IT COMPLETED, THAT'S ALL NEW THAT'S RIGHT. 
          AND SO OUR BUDGET WILL REFLECT THAT, UM, IT ADMINISTRATION HAS ASKED FOR NOT ONLY THIS YEAR'S GENERAL FUND NEEDS, UM, THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS IMMEDIATELY, BUT WHAT IS OUR MASTER PLAN DURATION NEEDS? SO WHAT DOES THAT, NOW THAT WE'VE ADOPTED ALL THESE MASTER PLANS? WHAT, WHAT CAN WE PROJECT THAT WE MIGHT NEED IN THAT 2, 5, 10 YEAR TIMEFRAME, BOTH FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT AND THE OPERATION STANDPOINT. 
          SO W WE'RE WORKING ON IS, AS A MATTER OF FACT, WHAT WE MET ON TODAY WAS, WAS ON THAT. 
          SO, EXCELLENT. 
          THANK YOU FOR ASKING, UM, ANDY, IT APPEARS THAT YOU'RE DOING THIS AND THAT YOU ARE TO BE COMMENDED FOR, UH, FOR WHERE YOU'RE GOING, BECAUSE YOU ARE LOOKING OUT IN FRONT. 
          WE HAVE A TENDENCY TO LEAD THE WAGONS FROM THE BACK OF THE LAST WAGON, UH, AND NOT MEANING PARKS, BUT MEANING JUST MUNICIPAL WORK IN ITSELF. 
          AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALREADY ANTICIPATING THE NEEDS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FOR THIS NEW ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO EXIST OUT THERE. 
          AND WITHOUT THE APPROPRIATE STAFF TO DO THAT, THEN WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION THAT WE NEED TO MAKE OUT OF, OUT OF EACH OF THESE. 
          I'M REALLY PROUD TO SEE YOU. 
          SO YOU'RE WORKING ON THAT. 
          AND IF WE CAN GIVE YOU ANY SUPPORT WITH THAT, UH, WHEREVER THAT MAY BE, WE'D BE GLAD TO DO IT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE BUDGET OVER HERE? YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING, UH, ON TOPIC, IF THEY'RE NOT, DID YOU HAVE TO MENTION IT RIGHT NOW? PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT IF YOU THINK OF SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL IN YOUR DISTRICT OR THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT HEAR FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS OR YOUR, YOUR APPOINTEES CONSTITUENTS, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT, NOW'S THE TIME TO LET US KNOW SO WE CAN INCORPORATE IT. 
          IF THERE'S JUST SOMETHING SPECIFIC THAT YOU THINK MIGHT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR IT. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S ALWAYS A THOUSAND NEEDS AND ONLY A HUNDRED DOLLARS TO ADDRESS THEM ALL, BUT WE WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THEM ON THE LIST AND THEN WE CAN PRIORITIZE THEM AND ROLL THEM OUT. 
          SO IF YOU SEE ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE, HOW DO WE LOVE TO, HOW DO WE SUBMIT THAT TO YOU? JUST EMAIL IT, EMAIL ME, AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT. 
          IF IT'S NOT ADDRESSED AND SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALREADY PLANNING ON, THEN WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT. 
          YOU'RE MUCH BETTER. 
          YOU'RE MUCH BETTER RESPONSES TO BE ANTICIPATE, ANTICIPATING IT RATHER THAN REACTING TO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          NEXT ITEM, TREE INITIATIVE. 
          IF I, IF I COULD, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH IS HERE WITH US, WHO IS THE ONE WHO HAS REMANDED THIS ISSUE TO PARK BOARD FOR DISCUSSION. 
          SO IF I COULD ASK HIM TO MAYBE GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF A PREAMBLE AND AN INTRODUCTION TO THIS TOPIC TO HELP US MAKE SURE WE'RE ON TASK. 
          UM, AND THEN MATT'S GOT A VERY DETAILED, UM, VIEWPOINT ON WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO LOOK AT. 
          IS THAT SHOWING UP ON THEIR SCREEN? YES, SIR. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          AWESOME. 
          WELL, HEY 
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GUYS, HOW'S IT GOING? IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. 
          GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY BACK TO THE MEETING OF HEARING THINGS ABOUT BUDGETS, BECAUSE I THINK I VOTED EVERY SINGLE YEAR TO EXTEND Y'ALL'S BUDGET. 
          SO JUST A OKAY. 
          ONE MORE YEAR TO CATCH UP, CATCH UP, CATCH UP, CATCH UP NOW, GET HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          ACTUALLY WHAT I, WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS ANYTHING WE FALL SHORT ON, ANDY'S GOING TO GO OUT AND DO PERSONALLY. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD THERE. 
          UH, WHAT I'M BRINGING YOU GUYS TODAY IS SOMETHING THAT IS KIND OF COMPLEX AND TOUCHES A LOT OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. 
          AND ONE OF WHAT I'M HERE TONIGHT TO DO IS, IS LARGELY GET ADVICE. 
          UM, WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT ISSUES. 
          ONE'S A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE. 
          UM, ONE IS A DEVELOPER ISSUE AND ONE IS A TREE AND VEGETATION ISSUE. 
          AND WHERE THESE ALL CROSSED OVER TOGETHER IS THAT, UM, WE HAVE A HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS THAT GO UP ALONG OUR CREEK WAYS, UH, NEAR PARKS. 
          AND WE SEND THE POLICE OFFICERS TO GO IN AND CLEAR THOSE OUT. 
          AND WHAT WE FIND IS ANYWHERE WHERE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO THIN THE VEGETATION OUT A BIT, WE HAVE BETTER RESULTS. 
          SO WE HAVE A LOT OF TRASH TREES. 
          UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF JUNGLE IN AND AROUND THE CREEK BANKS. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS WE WOULD LIKE TO INCENTIVIZE SOME OF THESE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS TO GO THROUGH AND THIN THOSE TREES OUT FOR US. 
          ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE THERE THOUGH, IS THAT IF IT'S A LAND THAT'S ABOUT TO BE DEVELOPED, THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, THAT WE WOULD USUALLY BUILD A DEVELOPER FOR. 
          SO NOW WE GET INTO A POSITION WHERE WE'RE ASKING YOU TO REMOVE TREES FOR OUR BENEFIT, AND THEN WE WANT TO BILL YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE. 
          SO WE STARTED LOOKING AT THIS AND WE STARTED THINKING, OKAY, WELL, COULD THERE BE A PROCESS WHERE WE GO AND ASK PEOPLE TO THIN THESE TREES OUT WITHOUT ANY PENALTY? UH, WHAT WOULD THE HAUL OFF LOOK LIKE? WHAT TREES SHOULD BE SELECTED? UH, WHAT BANK EROSION, UH, SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE KEEP IN MIND? AND SO IT'S, IT'S THIS, THIS ODD CONFLUENCE OF ISSUES THAT, THAT WE'RE BRINGING TOGETHER. 
          NOW WE KNOW THAT EVENTUALLY THE ANSWER TO THIS WILL GO INTO OUR GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, WHICH IS PLAIN COMMISSION AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          BUT WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT TREES AND EROSION AND VEGETATION, I FELT WE'D BE REMISS IF WE DIDN'T BRING IT TO, I DON'T KNOW, A BOARD THAT MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH TREES. 
          YEAH. 
          I KNOW. 
          I LOVE TREES. 
          THEY BRING IT TO THE EXPERTS. 
          AND THEN I THOUGHT, WELL, THEN I WAS THINKING, OKAY, WE'VE GOT DON KERNER, WHO IS THE MIX BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY AND PARKS. 
          NOW WE GOT TO HIT THAT GUY UP. 
          AND THEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT CAN WE DO TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPERS, TO, TO REMOVE THESE TREES, NOT JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO ASK THEM TO DO WORK. 
          AND WE STARTED LOOKING AT WELL, DAVID PARISH HAS COME TO A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AND SAID, HEY, WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET NATIVE PLANTINGS, UH, THAT AREN'T INVASIVE IN SOME OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS. 
          SO IT'S ALL COMING TOGETHER. 
          AND WE KNEW THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME VALUE IN HAVING A CONVERSATION HERE WITH YOU GUYS, EVEN THOUGH Y'ALL, 'CAUSE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR SCOPE OF, OF YOUR COMMITTEE INVOLVES PARKS SOLELY AND THEN PUBLIC LAND. 
          UH, WE KNEW THAT YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION. 
          AND SO THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S REALLY WHY THIS IS HERE. 
          UH, SO LET ME TURN IT OVER TO MATT WHO, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD A PRESENTATION, BUT THAT'S AWESOME. 
          HEY, SO RUN WITH IT, MAN. 
          AND I'LL JUST SIT HERE AND LOOK PRETTY WELL. 
          GOOD. 
          WELL, I'M GLAD THAT ACTUALLY ADDED A LOT OF CLARIFICATION AND SOME OF IT I'LL HAVE TO KIND OF FILL IN ON THE SLIDE ON THE BACK END BECAUSE, UH, YOU TALKED ABOUT SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY ADDRESS, BUT DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THIS PRESENTATION. 
          SO THAT WAS SOME REALLY GREAT CLARITY. 
          AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE HERE BECAUSE THAT'LL, THAT'LL HELP SPEED THIS WHOLE PROCESS UP. 
          AND WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT MY MOST FAVORITE THING IS, IS TREES. 
          AND BECAUSE I'VE WORKED WITH A LOT OF TREE ORDINANCES OVER, OVER MY TIME. 
          AND, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE WORKED A LOT WITH. 
          I WANTED TO KICK OFF FIRST AND KIND OF JUST SHOW THAT GARLAND IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME, WE HAVE A TREE ORDINANCE ACTUALLY WITHIN OUR PARKS ORDINANCE. 
          AND SO, UM, AND I PULLED UP THE WRONG ONE. 
          SO ONE SECOND, I APOLOGIZE. 
          CAUSE THAT IS THE WRONG. 
          THAT HAPPENS TO ME WITHOUT FAIL EVERY TIME, FIVE SECTION EIGHT WITH NEXT. 
          WHERE DID I PUT THAT? JIM DRIVE ONE SECOND. 
          SORRY. 
          THE TREES THAT HAVE BEEN THINNED OUT ON CENTRAL PARK HAVE HELD THE LIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, WE KNOW WE'VE GOT THE LIST THAT THE TREE BOARD APPROVED OF, OF THE PREFERRED TREES, RIGHT? SO WE KNOW WE WANT TO TAKE OUT HACKBERRIES AND BRADFORDS AND THINGS THAT AREN'T REALLY GETTING CONTRIBUTE. 
          I HAVEN'T BEEN TAKEN OUT. 
          THEY JUST BEEN SHAVED UP WHERE YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHEN THE SOUTH SIDE OF CENTRAL PARK, THAT WAS A RESPONSE OF TWO THINGS, BUT PRIMARILY THAT FROM THAT AREA TO THE BRIDGE WAS AN 
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ONGOING ENCAMPMENT. 
          AND SO WE WORKED WITH WENDY AND THE TASK FORCE TO, TO PROPERLY, UH, ADDRESS IT. 
          BUT ONE OF THOSE ISSUES, IT'S PROBABLY TWO, THREE ACRES, AND IT'S NOT A DEVELOPED PART OF THE PARK. 
          SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN GET RID OF THE BRAMBLES AND THE UNDERBRUSH, THE DEBRIS, THE TRASH THAT ALL COLLECTED FROM THAT ACTIVITY BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE STREET. 
          IT'S WHEN YOU COME INTO THE BALL FIELD. 
          SO WE WANTED VISIBILITY NEXT TO THE BALL FIELDS. 
          WE THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AROUND GROUPS OF CHILDREN. 
          SO THAT WAS THE PERFECT TASK THAT HELPED US ACHIEVE ALL OF THAT. 
          WHAT COMES WITH THAT IS, AND WE CAN DO IT CAUSE WE IT'S OURS. 
          WE NOW I WAS USING A PHRASE WHEN, WHEN YOU MOW IT THE FIRST TIME YOU JUST BOUGHT IT. 
          SO, UM, WE WILL BE MOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S MONTHLY, QUARTERLY, WHATEVER'S APPROPRIATE TO KEEP THAT DOWN BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HELPS ACHIEVE THAT PURPOSE. 
          AND IT HAS BEEN WELL RECEIVED SO FAR. 
          AND WE'VE DONE THAT IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PLACES. 
          WE ALSO DID A DUCK CREEK AND THERE'S SOME OTHER AREAS THAT WE HAVE TARGETED THAT WE WANT TO WORK ON. 
          AND I APOLOGIZE. 
          IT DID NOT THE CORRECT VERSION. 
          DIDN'T SAVE TO MY FLASH DRIVE. 
          SO I APOLOGIZE. 
          I HAVE THE PRINTED ONE. 
          SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO KIND OF SHOOT FROM THE HIP ON THIS ONE, AS ANDY SAYS, WE'RE GOING TO WEAN IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, SO I AM GOING TO READ, UH, FROM THE PART'S ORDINANCE, WHAT THE TREE ORDINANCE PART FROM PARKS ACTUALLY IS OVER. 
          AND SO ONCE I GET TO THE RIGHT PAGE AND WE EVER CONTACTED COMPANIES THAT SELL FIREWOOD AND SAY, HEY, WE GOT A LOT OF TRADES HERE. 
          YOU CAN CUT THEM UP AND SELL, HUH? WE ACTUALLY TAKE IT TO THE EWS AND IT GETS TURNED INTO GOOD QUALITY MULCH. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE RE WE REUSE IT. 
          YEP. 
          AND WE REUSE A LOT OF IT AND WE ARE USING IT BECAUSE THEY DO PRODUCE A BETTER QUALITY MOST DON'T. 
          AND IT'S JUST BIG, GIANT CHUNKS THAT HAVE NO VALUE IN IT ACTUALLY WORSE. 
          BUT THEY D THEY, WHEN THEY FIRED IT BACK UP, THEY PRODUCE A GOOD QUALITY DOUBLE GROUND. 
          MOST THAT WE USE. 
          YEAH. 
          QUITE A BIT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO UNDERNEATH CHAPTER 25 IN THE PARK ORDINANCE, IT'S SECTION 25 DASH 12, UNLAWFUL TO DAMAGE PLANTS IN PARKS OR OTHER RECREATIONAL FACILITIES. 
          AND IT STATES THAT SHALL BE PROHIBITED TO DAMAGE CUT, CARVE, MARK, REMOVE TRANSPLANT BREAK PICK, OR IN ANY WAY INJURE DAMAGE OR TO FACE ANY PLANTS WHERE TURF WITHIN OR UPON ANY PARKS, BARCLAYS, GREENBELT, OR OTHER RECREATIONAL AREAS. 
          IT SHALL FURTHER BE PROHIBITED TO BRING IN ANY VEGETATION TO ANY PARK PARKWAY, GREENBELT, OR OTHER RECREATIONAL AREA OR FACILITY, EXCEPT BY PERMIT OF THE DIRECTOR OR DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS SECTION, PLANT SHALL BE DEFINED AND INCLUDED ANY VEGETATION, SHRUBS, BUSHES, TREES, VINES, HEDGES, GRASS FLOWERS, OR SEEDS THEREOF. 
          AND THIS IS ACTUALLY PRETTY INTERESTING BECAUSE, UH, AS FAR AS I KNOW OF THIS AS THE ONLY CITY THAT WITHIN THEIR ACTUAL PARK ORDINANCE HAS SOMETHING THAT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES TREES. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY STUFF WITHIN OUR ORDINANCE. 
          IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND, AND WE'VE HAD THAT WHERE WE HAVE PEOPLE UNLAWFULLY GO IN AND CUT DOWN TREES AND THEY GO IN AND THEY DEFACE TREES AND THEY DO THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO IF WE'RE ABLE, EVER ABLE TO PROVE THAT THEY DID IT OR KEPT SOMEBODY IN THE ACTION, THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME, UM, SOME PURVIEW THERE. 
          AND THIS IS ACTUALLY, IF THESE THINGS COME UP, WHAT THE TREE BOARD'S ACTUAL ROLE WOULD BE TO BE ABLE TO OVERSEE THIS KIND OF THING WHERE OUR ORDINANCE AND OUR CITY ORDINANCE IS ACTUALLY UNDER ARTICLE AS ACTUALLY ARTICLE ARTICLE FOR THE TREE PRESERVATION AND MITIGATION ORDINANCE. 
          AND THOSE WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. 
          SO YOU CAN, IT CAN FOLLOW ALONG WITH THAT. 
          UM, IT'S ACTUALLY GOES A LITTLE BIT BETWEEN ARTICLE FOUR, WHICH IS THE TREE PRESERVATION AND MITIGATION ORDINANCE AND ARTICLE THREE, WHICH IS THE SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING ORDINANCE. 
          THEY KIND OF MIRROR EACH OTHER A LITTLE BIT AND THEY TALK BACK AND FORTH A LITTLE BIT, UM, WHERE THIS ONE VARIES IS SOME CITIES ACTUALLY SAY, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE, UM, A DISPUTE, SAY OF A TREE SURVEY OR DISPUTE OF, OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT ACTUALLY GETS REFERRED BACK TO THE TREE BOARD. 
          SOME CITIES DO RUN THAT WAY. 
          UH, CITY OF GARLAND IS NOT RUN THAT WAY. 
          IT'S OVERSEEN BY THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. 
          UM, SO ACTUALLY PURVIEW IN TERMS OF, AND I THINK IT WAS SMART. 
          AND SINCE IT HAS TO DO WITH TREES TO BE ABLE TO BRING IT BEFORE THIS BOARD, TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW ON IT. 
          UM, BUT ACTUALLY IN TERMS OF ANY TYPE OF OVERSIGHT OVER THE ACTUAL TREE PRESERVATION, WHEN IT COMES TO MITIGATION AND PRESERVATION AND TREE SURVEYS THAT GO INTO THE DEVELOPMENT ROLE ARCHERY BOARD, WHICH IS YOU GUYS HAVE LITTLE AUTHORITY. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THAT LINE CLEAR THAT WAS IN THERE, UM, BECAUSE THAT VARIES FROM CITY TO CITY AND EVERY CITY DOES A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          UM, THE TWO MAIN AREAS THAT, THAT WE REALLY LOOKED AT IN, IN THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH MENTIONED ON WAS ONE, HOW DO WE LOOK AT, UM, TREES THAT ARE KIND OF LESS DESIRABLE AND, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD ORDINANCE. 
          IT REALLY IS. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHY IT HASN'T BEEN UPDATED OR TOUCHED IN A REALLY LONG TIME. 
          IT REALLY HAS GREAT NUTS AND BOLTS. 
          THERE'S JUST A FEW THINGS THAT NEED TO BE TWEAKED. 
          AND ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT NEEDS TO BE TWEAKED IS THE DEFINITION OF A PROTECTED TREE. 
          AND SO THE CURRENT, UM, DEFINITION 
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OF A PROTECTED TREE STATES THAT, THAT ALL TREES THAT ARE WITHIN, UH, A LIST OF TREES THAT THEN IS FOUND WITHIN ARTICLE THREE, UH, IF THEY'RE SIX INCHES IN CALIPER OR GREATER OR PROTECTED, NOBODY MEASURES TREES IN TERMS OF WHEN YOU'RE OUT INTO OPENLY GROWN TREES AND CALIPER INCHES, CALIPER INCHES IS A STRAIGHT MEASUREMENT IN THE NURSERY INDUSTRY. 
          THAT'S, WHAT'S USED BY THE INDUSTRY INDUSTRY AND REASON IT'S USED JUST GOING DOWN A RABBIT TRAIL REAL QUICK, THE REASON THEY USE CALIPER INCHES BECAUSE IT'S MEASURED CLOSER TO THE GROUND SO THAT THEY CAN MEASURE LARGER TREES SO THEY CAN SELL YOU BIGGER TREES. 
          IT'S LITERALLY WHERE IT COMES FROM WHEN YOU'RE MEASURING WITHIN A STANDING TIMBER. 
          THE, THE, THE, THE NORM IS WHAT'S CALLED DIAMETER AT BREAST HEIGHT DBH. 
          AND SO WHAT WE WOULD, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND, I ALSO DON'T LIKE LISTS WHEN IT COMES TO TREE ORDINANCES. 
          AND SO THIS THEN REFERS BACK TO A LIST IN TERMS OF WHAT ARE, UH, YOUR PROTECTED TREES. 
          SO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IN THIS AVENUE WOULD BE THAT WE CHANGE THE PROTECTED TREES TO SAY RE MEANS ANY HEALTHY GROWING SELF-SUPPORTED WOODY PERENNIAL PLANT THAT HAS A MINIMUM DIAMETER OF AT LEAST SIX INCHES IN DBH, AND IS NOT CLASSIFIED AS AN UNPROTECTED TREE, UH, IN THIS ARTICLE. 
          SO THAT'S THE FIRST KIND OF TWEAK, UH, IS, IS CHANGING CALIPER TO DBH, DOING AWAY WITH THE TREE PROTECTED LIST, AND THEN ACTUALLY PUTTING SOME UNPROTECTED TREES IN THERE. 
          UM, THERE ARE TREES THAT ARE WAY LESS DESIRABLE THAN OTHERS. 
          I TRY NOT TO CALL SOME TREES TRASH, BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE TRASHY TREES. 
          AND SO WHAT WE LIKE TO USUALLY DO IS IDENTIFY SOME UNPROTECTED TREES. 
          AND SO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT WE ALSO ADD, UM, A DEFINITION FOR UNPROTECTED TREES AND UNPROTECTED TREE WOULD MEAN THE FOLLOWING CALORIE PAIRS, ALL CULTIVARS, CHINA BERRIES, CHINESE TALLOWS, UM, IOX PCS, LIKE HOLLY'S, EXCEPT FOR YELLOW PAWN AND POSSUM HALL, ALL PALMS TREE OF HAM, TREE OF HEAVEN IN ATLANTIS, UH, AND OTHER SPECIES THAT ARE ON THE TEXAS A AND M UH, INVASIVE SPECIES LIST. 
          UM, AND SO THIS WOULD TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT, THAT YOU SEE, UM, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE SEE COMING UP THAT, THAT CAUSED THOSE SAFETY ISSUES AND CAUSE THOSE TYPES OF MEANS ARE THOSE INVASIVE SPECIES. 
          UH, AND SO BY MAKING THOSE UNPROTECTED TREES, THEN THEY CAN BE TAKEN DOWN NO MATTER WHAT THEIR SIZE AND THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO CONSEQUENCES WHATSOEVER. 
          UH, AND RIGHT NOW IN THE ORDINANCE, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT. 
          SO THIS NOW TAKES A WHOLE, WHOLE HOST OF TREES THAT ARE IN THERE AND MAKE SOME SO THAT WE CAN, WE CAN, UH, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PENALTY FOR TAKING THEM DOWN. 
          UM, THE NEXT SITUATION, THEN IT WOULD BE THEN TO W WE GOTTA, BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE DOES A REALLY GREAT JOB OF CERTAIN SPECIES, UM, HAVE A GREATER REPLACEMENT VALUE. 
          SO THEY'RE REPLACED TWO, YOU HAVE TO REPLACE TWO TO ONE, SOME ARE ONE-TO-ONE AND THEN SOME ARE POINT ESSENTIALLY 0.2, FIVE 75% OF WHAT THAT VALUE IS. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S VERY CONVOLUTED IN HERE IN THE LIST. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS KIND OF SIMPLIFY THAT. 
          SO IT'S A LOT EASIER BECAUSE THEN THAT MAKES IT EASIER WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND THEY DO THE TREE SURVEY, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEIR MITIGATION IS GOING TO BE AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MATCH THAT MITIGATION. 
          THEY IT'S VERY EASY TO DO. 
          AND AN EASY WAY TO DO THAT IS ONE IS TO JUST CALL WHAT WE CALL SIGNIFICANT TREE. 
          SO YOU MAKE A DEFINITION FOR WHAT YOU WOULD CALL A SIGNIFICANT TREE. 
          SIGNIFICANT TREE WOULD BE A PROTECTED, HEALTHY TREE WHOSE AGE SIZE, UNIQUE TREE, OR A NATURAL AND HISTORICAL CHARACTER ARE SPECIAL IMPORTANCE TO THE CITY AND MEETS THE FOLLOWING SPECIES, INSIDES REQUIREMENTS, TREES OF THE FOLLOWING SPECIES, HAVING A MINIMUM DIAMETER OF 18 INCHES. 
          AND THAT'S KEY BECAUSE THAT'S A BIGGER TREE. 
          SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A VERY, UH, UH, LARGE TREE AMERICAN ALBUM, SIBERIAN, ELM, SLIPPERY, ELM, CEDAR, ELM, SYCAMORE, CHITTUM WOOD, COMMON PERSON, AND EASTERN RED, CEDAR GREEN, AND WHITE ASH PECAN ALL OAKS, ALL WONG AND ALL WALNUTS. 
          SO THOSE ARE OUR MAJOR TREE SPECIES THAT WE HAVE AROUND HERE THAT ARE CONSIDERED OUR HIGH QUALITY TREES. 
          IF A TREE MET THAT CRITERIA, THOSE WOULD BE THE ONES THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE THE, UM, MET WITH A TWO TO ONE REPLACEMENT RATIO. 
          SO AGAIN, NOW WE'RE NOT PENALIZING SOMEBODY FOR TAKING OUT A SIX INCH, OH, WE'RE RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE TO, THEY'RE GETTING CHARGED DOUBLE FOR THAT, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE ACTUALLY REPLACING, UM, MORE THAN, THAN WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY TAKING OUT. 
          BUT IF YOU GET TO THOSE LARGE, LARGE TREES, YOU CAN'T REPLACE THOSE TREES WITH ONE TREE. 
          SO IT TAKES SEVERAL TREES TO BE ABLE TO REPLACE THOSE. 
          SO AGAIN, THAT ALSO THEN PUTS THE PURVIEW TO SAY, HEY, WE REALLY, REALLY WANT TO TRY TO PROTECT OUR LARGER TREES. 
          UM, AND ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE UP FOR DEBATE. 
          SOME CITIES GO LARGER ON THOSE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE REPLACEMENT IS. 
          SOME OF THEM GO SMALLER. 
          SOME PEOPLE CHARGE, SOME CITIES HAVE CHARGED MORE MONEY FOR LARGER TREES, SOME OF CHARGED LESS. 
          SO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS CAN BE, CAN BE, UM, PLAYED AROUND WITH, BUT IT'S REALLY DEFINING THE PURPOSES AS DEFINE THOSE TREES AND SAY THAT THESE TREES HAVE SPECIAL IMPORTANCE TO US. 
          UH, THE SECOND WOULD BE A CLASS ONE TREE. 
          THIS IS ANY TREES THAT ARE NOT OTHERWISE 
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CLASSIFIED. 
          SO THESE WOULD BE TREES THAT WE WOULD REPLACE IT, A ONE-TO-ONE RATIO. 
          AND THEN YOUR CLASS TWO TREES. 
          THESE WOULD BE TREES OF THE FOLLOWING SPECIES, ARIZONA ASH, WILLOWS, WILLOW SPECIES, COTTONWOODS, HACKBERRIES SUGAR BERRIES, MOSQUITO, MIMOSAS, MULBERRIES, PINES, AND SILVER MAPLES. 
          THESE ARE TREES THAT ARE NATIVE, THAT ARE QUALITY TREES, BUT, UM, TEND TO BE THE ONES THAT GET DEVELOPERS RILED UP. 
          IF THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, CHARGE, UH, BE CHARGED DOUBLE FOR A HACKBERRY OR EVEN A ONE-TO-ONE RATIO FOR A HACKBERRY, THESE WOULD BE ONES THAT THEN WOULD BE, UH, MARKED OUT AT, AT, AT A LOWER RATE. 
          SO IT WOULD BE A RATIO OF, UH, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S A QUARTER POINT YEAH. 
          POINT TWO, FIVE TO ONE, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT REPLACEMENT VALUE WAS. 
          SO AGAIN, HERE, WE'RE PUTTING SOME VALUE TO THESE TREES, BUT IT'S NOT A HIGH VALUE TO THESE TREES AND HEY, THESE TREES ARE STILL IMPORTANT, BUT THEY'RE NOT GETTING DINGED AS HARD IF THEY WANT TO TAKE THEM OUT. 
          AND AGAIN, IT HAS TO HIT THAT SIX INCH THRESHOLD. 
          IF THEY DON'T HIT THAT 600 THRESHOLD, IF IT'S FIVE AND A HALF INCHES, THEN THAT TREE CAN BE TAKEN OUT WITH NO REPERCUSSIONS. 
          SO THAT'S A REALLY EASY WAY TO BE ABLE TO DISTINGUISH WHAT'S OUT THERE. 
          IT'S, IT'S EASY FOR, FOR, UM, A TREE SURVEY TO BE ABLE TO THEN FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT MITIGATION, UH, WOULD BE. 
          UM, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT WAY THEN TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT EASIER ON DEVELOPER. 
          IT ACTUALLY SHOWS THEM WHICH TREES WE WANT TO SAY. 
          IF SO THEN IF THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP AROUND THAT THEY CAN, THE I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO A REAL BUNCH OF DEEP DETAIL, BUT THERE'S WAYS TO BE ABLE TO OFFSET THAT THROUGH LANDSCAPING. 
          UM, AND THERE'S PARTS THAT WE COULD PUT IN THERE. 
          YOU COULD STRENGTHEN, UM, THE RIGHT NOW, IF THEY GO UP, THEY PLANT A TREE OF HIGHER CALIPER THAN IT'S REQUIRED. 
          THEY CAN USE THAT TOWARDS THEIR MITIGATION. 
          SO THEY TAKE OUT SO MANY TREES, THEY PLANT SO MANY TREES BACK AND THEY PLANT LARGER TREES THAN THEY DO. 
          THEY CAN COUNT THAT TOWARDS THEIR MITIGATION. 
          IF YOU WANT TO DO INCENTIVIZE MORE NATIVE TREE PLANTINGS, YOU COULD EVEN SAY, IF YOU PLANT NATIVE TREES UP TO A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE, THEN YOU COULD ADD A PERCENTAGE OR AN OVERALL, UM, UM, CREDIT TO THAT MITIGATION. 
          THAT'S MATH THAT CAN BE WORKED OUT. 
          I'VE WORKED ON THOSE TYPES OF ORDINANCES BEFORE. 
          IF, IF ONE OF THE GOALS OF THE ORDINANCE WAS TO BE ABLE TO PROMOTE, UH, MORE, UM, NATIVE DEVELOPMENT OR MORE NATIVE PLANTINGS. 
          SO REALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE ORDINANCES AND YOU BREAK THEM DOWN AND WHEN I WILL GO WORK WITH THE CITY, WHEN WE START TO REDO AN ORDINANCE, AS YOU SIT DOWN AND YOU FIRST GOT TO ASK IS WHAT ARE THE GOALS AND WHAT ARE THOSE GOALS AND TARGETS THAT WE WANT TO HIT? AND SO I JUST WENT BACK OFF THE BASIC GOALS THAT WE SAID, WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO CLEAN UP THAT INITIAL LANGUAGE, MAKE IT SO THEY WEREN'T GETTING PENALIZED. 
          IF THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP AND CLEAN OUT AN AREA, THEY WEREN'T GOING TO GET PENALIZED IF THEY WERE TAKING OUT TRASH TREES, UM, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE AND SIMPLIFY THAT PROCESS. 
          AND IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THAT NEXT LEVEL, THEN WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS THEN DECIDE, OKAY, WHAT ARE THOSE GOALS? OKAY, WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE MORE NATIVE PLANTING. 
          OH, WE WANT TO CHARGE MORE FOR OUR LARGER AND OUR BEST TREES. 
          AND WE WANT TO CHARGE LESS FOR THESE. 
          DO WE WANT TO START LOOKING AT HOW DO WE BE MORE CREATIVE TO TRY TO GET DEVELOPERS, TO INVEST THAT MONEY BACK INTO THE, INTO THEIR DEVELOPMENT, AS OPPOSED TO WRITING A CHECK TO THE CITY AND OF THE TREE MITIGATION FUND, THOSE ARE ALL GOALS THAT COULD BE TALKED ABOUT AND DISCUSSED AND HASHED OUT. 
          UM, IT, DEPENDING ON HOW DEEP WE WANTED TO GO INTO THIS, UH, ORDINANCE REVAMPED. 
          SO THIS WAS JUST A REALLY, KERSCHER VERY FIRST LOOK, UM, WITH A SEC SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS, TO BE ABLE TO GET THE, UM, THE BALL ROLLING, AND TO START TALKING ABOUT THIS, UM, TO THE PART ABOUT INCENTIVIZING, UM, HOMEOWNERS AND LAND OWNERS, TO BE ABLE TO, TO COME IN AND CLEAR PROPERTY FOR AREAS THAT MIGHT BE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY WANT TO DO IN AREAS THAT WE'RE ACTIVELY IDENTIFYING AND CLEANING UP. 
          WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS WE'D BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THESE CAUSE WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE HOME HOMELESS TASK FORCE VERY, VERY CLOSELY. 
          AND IF WE HAVE SPECIFIC AREAS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT DOING, UM, AND WE WANT THAT HOMEOWNER TO BE ABLE, OR THAT LANDOWNER TO BE ABLE TO CLEAN UP THAT PROPERTY WOULD BE HAPPY TO MEET WITH THEM AND GO ON AND, AND MARK THOSE TREES, THAT WOULD BE ONES THAT WOULD BE WORTH SAVING, WHETHER THEY HAVE, THEY, THEY FALL WITHIN OUR, OUR, OUR ORDINANCE. 
          SO WE WANT TO KEEP THEM THERE SIX INCHES IN GREATER AND THEY'RE OF GREAT QUALITY, UH, OR THEY HAVE SOME OTHER TYPE OF ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT. 
          LIKE THEY'RE DOING STREAM BANK STABILIZATION, OR THEY HAVE SOME OTHER TYPE OF ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE DO WHEN WE CLEAR OUT ONE OF OUR AREAS IS I GO IN AND I FLAG ALL OF THE TREES THAT WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE AND THAT WE WANT TO KEEP. 
          AND THEN WE'RE THERE WHEN THE GUY COMES IN WITH THE BIG, COOL EQUIPMENT AND CHEWS EVERYTHING UP. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BECAUSE THE HOMELESS ISSUE AND THAT SAFETY ISSUE, A LOT OF THOSE AREAS ARE NEXT DOOR ARE OUR PARKS, EVEN THOUGH THEY MIGHT BE PRIVATE PROPERTY, THEY'RE NEXT TO OUR PARKS. 
          AND THOSE ARE AREAS THAT WE WANT TO ADDRESS. 
          AND SO ANYTHING THAT WE COULD DO TO BE ABLE TO ASSIST THOSE, THOSE HOMEOWNERS IN GETTING THAT DONE. 
          AND I FEEL PRETTY COMFORTABLE THAT IN THESE AREAS, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THE, THESE AREAS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF OVERGROWN AREAS IS THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY 
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TREES THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THERE THAT WOULD FALL UNDERNEATH, UM, ARCHERY ORDINANCES. 
          IF WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE SOME OF THESE INITIAL CHANGES, THAT THEN IF THEY TURNED AROUND AND SOLD THE PROPERTY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT LATER, THEY WERE GOING TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY THAT THEY WOULD GET DEIGNED OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT THERE TO UNPACK. 
          I KNOW. 
          UM, BUT THAT WAS JUST KIND OF A REALLY BASIC QUICK OVERVIEW, UM, WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE. 
          I GOT A QUESTION. 
          I'M ASSUMING THAT IT'S THE PARK'S PROPERTY, IT'S THE TRAIL JUST SOUTH OF JONATHAN'S HOUSE WITH A PARKING, RIGHT? IS THAT STREET THAT GOES TO THE SERVICE ROAD, A 30, UM, OH YES. 
          GREENBELT PARKWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          A COUPLE OF ENCAMPMENTS OVER THERE, BUT THEY'RE DEEP IN THERE. 
          YOU COULDN'T REALLY THIN IT OUT THAT GOOD. 
          I SAW POLICE THERE THE OTHER DAY. 
          UM, ARE YOU GUYS AWARE OR THERE IT IS. 
          ONE OF THEM, THERE'S TWO, ONE OF THEM. 
          AND SINCE I'M THE ONE SOUTH ON J JUST SOUTH OF JONATHAN'S, HE KEPT, WHEN YOU KEEP GOING DOWN, YOU COULD DRIVE. 
          I KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU, AND YOU GO DOWN YES, RIGHT IN THERE IN OURS, YOU GO ANY FURTHER IT'S MESQUITE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THERE'S TWO, ONE IN THE REALLY BIG ONE IS IN MOSQUITO, RIGHT. 
          ON THE OTHER SIDE, JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          AND WE'VE, OH, IT JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF GREENBELT PARKWAY AND WE'VE CLEANED, THEY CLEANED THEM OUT OF THEIR MONTHLY. 
          UH, AND, AND THAT'S, YES. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S AN AREA WHERE I THINK, UH, ADDITIONAL PROGRAMMING. 
          UM, WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH DOORBELL THEY'RE INTERESTED IN MAYBE PUTTING SOME MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS OVER THERE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE TYPES OF CONVERSATIONS AND PARTNERSHIPS BECAUSE WE DON'T SEE THESE ISSUES IN RELIC CREEK. 
          AND IT'S BECAUSE IT'S HEAVILY USED IT'S, WELL-USED, IT'S WELL TAKEN CARE OF, YOU KNOW, THOSE, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S JUST BEEN AN EXPRESSED INTEREST THAT THEY'VE HAD. 
          SO THERE'S OTHER OPPORTUNITIES UNDER THOSE POWER LINES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          THAT'S GOING TO LINK INTO THE MOSQUITO TRAIL, RIGHT? YES. 
          HE DOES ART. 
          HE DOES JUST BUILT THEIR SIDE AND OUR SIDE HAS DONE TWO ACTIVITY. 
          MAKES IT, UM, SO I, WHAT I HEAR, UM, AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WAY MORE ABOUT TREES, UM, THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THE PROPER TREE SAVED AND YOU ALREADY HAVE IN THE ORDINANCE AWAY FOR PROPER PLANNING AND THE, THE, UM, CERTIFIED ARBORIST TO BE, UM, CONSULTED IN PLANTING THE TREES AND SELECTING THE TREES AND ON ALSO IN TRIMMING THE TREES. 
          SO THEY CAN'T GO THROUGH THERE AND INJURE A TREE BY FAILING TO COMPLY WITH IT, TREE PROTECTION, EITHER DURING DEVELOPMENT OR THROUGH IMPROPER MAINTENANCE. 
          IS THAT KIND OF WHAT I UNDERSTAND WHY? WELL, I, I DIDN'T REALLY DIVE INTO THE TREE PRESERVATION PIECE. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A STRONG TREE PRESERVATION PIECE IN HERE IN TERMS OF WHAT PROTECTION NEEDS TO HAPPEN AROUND A TREE DURING CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT, WASN'T ONE OF THE GOALS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT TO BEGIN WITH. 
          IF THAT'S A GOAL THAT IS IDENTIFIED THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN FOR SURE DO, BUT WE DIDN'T LOOK AT IT IN THIS, BUT THAT IS ONE PART WHERE THIS IS WEAK ON IT. 
          DOES IT DOESN'T CALL OUT THAT A TREE SURVEY NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT BY A CERTIFIED ARBORIST? UM, WELL, I, WHAT DO I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME THAT I'M USING TO REFERENCE IN THE PACKET THAT WAS GIVEN DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU HAVE? YEAH. 
          YOU'RE REFERENCING ARE, UH, SHOULD SAY CHAPTER FOUR, UH, ARTICLE FOUR TREE PRESERVATION AND MITIGATION ON THE TOP. 
          YEAH. 
          I WAS LOOKING AT DIVISION THREE ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES. 
          I WAS LOOKING AT DIVISION TWO ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES AND KIND OF TRYING TO ANSWER SOME OF MY QUESTIONS WHERE YOU EAT, YOU DON'T TAKE THE EASY WAY OUT BY MURDERING THE TREE. 
          THAT'S GOING TO DIE ANYWAY, BUT NOT LEAVING ANYTHING FOR IT ANY WAY FOR IT TO RETAIN WATER AND NUTRIENTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND IT DOES ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE THINGS. 
          UM, AND IT, YOU DO GET A CREDIT FOR PRESERVE TREES, BUT THEN THIS IS WHERE WHEN YOU GO IN, AND I DON'T THINK WE, I INCLUDED ARTICLE THREE, WHICH IS A SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING ORDINANCE, THE SCREENING AND LAND LANDSCAPE ORDINANCES, WHERE IT THEN COVERS TREE PRESERVATION DURING THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THERE, IT DOES STATE BASIC TREE PRESERVATION PRACTICES. 
          YOU NEED TO PUT UP AN ORANGE CONSTRUCTION FENCE OUT TO THE DRIP LINE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT CAN BE STRENGTHENED A LOT MORE, ESPECIALLY AROUND ENFORCEMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THIS DOESN'T, THAT GOARN CONSTRUCTION FENCING GETS PUT UP AND THEN IT GETS KNOCKED DOWN. 
          YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE DOING? ARE YOU LOOKING FOR EMOTION FROM US OR ARE YOU JUST, NO, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK TODAY, UM, TO HEAR WHAT, WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH'S, UH, W UH, GOALS ARE. 
          AND IF THERE WAS, SEE IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR FEEDBACK OR GOALS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS AS A BOARD, AS THE ACTING TREE BOARD, UH, THAT WE WOULD NEED TO GO BACK AND RESEARCH THAT WE COULD EVENTUALLY COME BACK WITH A SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, 
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BASED ON, ON YOUR, YOUR FEEDBACK, UM, THAT YOU GUYS COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, I ASSUME, RIGHT. 
          ANDY, TO, TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL FOR THEM TO REVIEW. 
          YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S A CAN OF WORMS THAT WE OPENED ON PURPOSE, AND WE KNEW THAT, UH, THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF LITTLE THINGS THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLEAN UP AND KIND OF BRING EVERYTHING INTO A MORE COHESIVE WAY, BUT WE KNEW IT WOULD SPAN MULTIPLE BOARDS OF MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS. 
          WE WANTED TO START THE CONVERSATION HERE. 
          IS IT MOSTLY TOWARD DEVELOP LAND? THAT'S GOING TO ABUT PARKLAND OR DEVELOP LAND THAT'S GOING TO SEEDS ARE GOING TO POLLINATE AND GROW INTO PARKLAND IS, IS, IS IT'S TRYING TO MAKE A STANDARDIZE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          IT WAS TRYING TO BRING PERKS IN THE END TO THIS AS AN EXCUSE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH YOU, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS GOING TO BE PARKLAND. 
          THERE WILL BE, UH, ANY, ANY LAND IN THE CITY. 
          UH, BUT I HAD TO HAD TO START SOMEWHERE THAT, YEAH, UH, THE BIGGEST WORRY I HAVE IS THE EROSION PIECE. 
          UH, WE HAVE SUCH A PROBLEM IN THE CITY, AND WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT WITH A DIFFERENT PATH WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE, UH, AND WITH OUR STORMWATER FEES. 
          AND WE'RE WORKING AROUND THIS, THIS WHOLE THING, IT'S, IT'S MUCH, MUCH BIGGER THAN WHAT I CAN GO INTO HERE TONIGHT. 
          UH, BUT YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE ALL OF THESE ISSUES HAPPEN ALONG CREEK LINES. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF PARKLAND THAT NATURALLY FOLLOWS THE CREEK LINE BECAUSE THAT'S FLOOD PLAIN. 
          SO WE HAVE A LOT OF OUR TRAIL SYSTEMS IN THERE. 
          AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE EROSION PIECE, THE PUBLIC SAFETY PIECE, IT ALWAYS SEEMS TO HAPPEN AROUND PARKLAND BECAUSE THAT'S PUBLIC LAND WHERE AGAIN, WE'RE HOMELESS WILL CONGREGATE OR, OR TEENAGERS WILL GO, UH, HAVE MISCHIEF OR WHATEVER ELSE. 
          UM, SO THAT, I KNOW I WASN'T VERY CLEAR ON THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S A LOT. 
          YEAH. 
          HOW CAN WE HELP YOU? UM, OR WHAT'S OUR CHARGE? WELL, I LIKE WHERE WE'RE, MATT'S TAKING THE IDEA OF REWRITING OUR TREE ORDINANCES TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN LINE WITH THE CURRENT BEST PRACTICES. 
          UH, I LIKED THE IDEA OF FIGURING OUT, FIGURING OUT WAYS TO PROMOTE VIA OUR ORDINANCES, UH, NATIVE PLANTINGS AND GROWTH. 
          UH, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY CRITICAL, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE SPRING CREEK FOREST PRESERVE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP INTACT. 
          UM, AND I WANT TO LOOK FOR WAYS FOR, FOR OUR POLICIES, WHETHER THEY BE ON THE, THE, THE PARKSIDE, THE TREE SIDE OR WHATEVER IT IS TO ALL KIND OF BE IN LINE WITH THAT GOAL. 
          AND SO THIS MAY ONLY BE THE FIRST CONVERSATION WE HAVE, AND WE MAY COME BACK AND DO A FEW ITERATIONS OF THIS. 
          UH, BUT JUST LOOKING FOR GENERAL OPINIONS AND IDEAS FROM THE EXPERTS THAT AM I UNDERSTANDING IT CORRECTLY, YOU'RE TRYING TO REWRITE IT. 
          SO THIS IS OUR MAIN GOAL HERE. 
          WE SUGGEST THIS BOLD PRINT AND THEN ALL OF THE FINE PRINT, YOU KNOW, UNDER THAT. 
          SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE LEGIBLE AND A WILL AND STANDARD. 
          IT IS IT'S, IT'S A FRANKENSTEIN OF, OF REGULATION THAT HAS BEEN BOLTED AND MESSED WITH OVER THE YEARS. 
          AND OCCASIONALLY YOU JUST NEED TO SCRAP IT AND START, START FROM SCRATCH AND HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN FOLLOW TOP-DOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IF I COULD, FOR JUST A SECOND, IT, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE THAT WE'VE GOT MATT ON THE STAFF, CAUSE HE'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE EXPERTS IN THE STATE. 
          UM, HE'S BEEN IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR ENTIRE CAREER RELATED TO TREES AS WELL AS TEXAS FOREST SERVICE. 
          SO WE'RE GOING DOWN THE RIGHT PATH. 
          I THINK MATT'S DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB OF ENCAPSULATING VERY QUICKLY AND SUCCINCTLY THE ISSUES THAT YOU CANNOT SEPARATE FROM PARKS. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE, WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS IN OUR PURVIEW. 
          WELL, IT ABSOLUTELY IS IN ITEM NUMBER EIGHT OF YOUR, YOUR GUIDANCE FOR THE CREATION OF THE PARK BOARD. 
          IS THAT THINGS THAT IMPACT PARKS? WELL, JUST LIKE YOU SAID, THESE ARE CO-MINGLED. 
          SO IF YOU, WE DID A TOUR DOWN DUCK CREEK WHEN WE WERE DOING SOME UP THERE GETTING RID OF FLOOD DEBRIS AND DEADFALL, IT'S AMAZING TO WATCH THE NATIVE SPECIES FROM THE FLOODWATERS COME FROM PEOPLE'S YARD. 
          YOU SEE DAN DINA'S, YOU SEE LARRY PUPPIES, WE SAW SOMETHING REALLY STRANGE. 
          THAT WAS CLEARLY A, UH, A TROPICAL ORNAMENTAL IN SOMEBODY'S YARD, THE SEED FLOATED DOWNSTREAM. 
          SO THAT, THAT IMPACTS NON-NATIVE STUFF IMPACTS EVERYBODY. 
          IT ALL THE WAY DOWN, IT'S CALLED INVASIVE FOR A REASON, UM, IT OUT COMPETES. 
          SO I LIKED THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED ABOUT INCENTIVIZING, UH, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, BECAUSE IT DOES IMPACT US. 
          UM, IF I COULD TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I THINK RELATE TO US TOO, WE'RE ALSO THE BENEFACTOR OF THE TREE MITIGATION FUND. 
          UM, THAT'S HUGE. 
          UM, BUT SOME OF THE CLEANUPS THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT I LIKE A LOT IS HOW WE TIER THOSE. 
          CAUSE I'M, I'M NOT A FAN OF, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A TRASH TREE, THERE'S AN INVASIVE AND THERE'S A NON-NATIVE TREES HAVE VALUE IN THE RIGHT SETTING. 
          SO I THINK THAT HAVING THOSE TIERS MIGHT HELP THE DEVELOPERS A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE I THINK THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE THAT HURTS US IS THEY'LL SEE THAT TWO TO ONE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW VERY MANY CITIES. 
          IT'S VERY, IT'S A 
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PRETTY GOOD ORDINANCE AND IT'S PRETTY AGGRESSIVE BECAUSE IT SHOWS THE VALUE OF TREES TO US BECAUSE WE HAVE INCREDIBLE NATIVE TREES, BUT SOMETIMES THAT BILL IS SO HIGH. 
          THEY ASK FOR A WAIVER, THIS MAY HELP THAT WAIVER BE SMALLER AT COUNCIL'S DISCRETION, BECAUSE IF IT'S CARTE BLANCHE, THEN THE TREE FUND WILL BE ZERO BEFORE YOU KNOW IT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I LIKED ABOUT THE TIER SYSTEM IS IT RECOGNIZES, OKAY, DEVELOPERS LET'S MEET PART-WAY IS A TREE PURIST. 
          THEY'RE ALL GOOD TREES. 
          UM, BUT IN AN A DEVELOPER IN THEIR MIND, IT MIGHT BE, OR A CON IT'S, IT'S AN OBSTACLE AND IT'S A COST ON MY, ON MY DEBIT SHEET AND YOU, AND YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          AND WHAT THIS WILL DO IS IT'LL, IT'LL PROBABLY ACTUALLY LOWER THAT COST TO DEVELOPERS IN MOST CASES. 
          UM, BUT WHAT IT'LL DO IS IT'LL HAVE TO BE THE RIGHT PRICE FOR THE TREES THAT ARE COMING OUT AND IT'S NOT DENYING THEM FOR SOMETHING THAT IS, YOU KNOW, REALLY NOT WORTH GETTING DEEMED FOR, WHICH IS ORIGINALLY WHAT GETS THEM, GETS THEM UPSET. 
          AND TO ADD TO THAT, I DON'T WANT TO SELLING OUT OUR TREES TO THE DEVELOPERS. 
          AND THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF THE, UH, WHEN I REACHED OUT TO THE CHAIRMAN ABOUT THIS IS THAT LET'S BE REAL CAREFUL BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE ENABLE PEOPLE TO RUN THROUGH AND CLEAR-CUT OUR TREES WITH NO COST TO THEM. 
          SO THERE'S GOT TO BE A VERY FINE BALANCE THERE, BUT I'VE ALSO BEEN LOOKING FOR WAYS THAT WE COULD USE THIS TREE MITIGATION FUND TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO PUT IN NATIVE PLANTINGS. 
          AND THEN WITH THAT EMPHASIS ON PUTTING IN AND KEEPING NATIVE PLANTINGS, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S MORE, THERE MAY BE MORE VALUE IN THAT IF I HAD TO PICK BETWEEN SAVING TWO TREES VERSUS GUARANTEEING THAT THE PROPERTY HAD ALL NATIVE PLANNING, I'D TAKE THE NATIVE PLANTING EVERY TIME. 
          YEP, EXACTLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ELSE THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION ABOUT IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, ARE, ARE YOU RECOMMENDING OR IS IT ALREADY COVERED TO INCENTIVIZE THE PROTECTION OF WHAT I WOULD CALL A SPECIMEN TREE? SO IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY HUGE, REALLY BEAUTIFUL, AND IT'S NATIVE, I THINK NATE IS THE KEY AND YOU'VE GOT THIS GIGANTIC BAROQUE, OR YOU'VE GOT THIS GIGANTIC, WHATEVER IS, IS THERE AN INCENTIVE TO THE DEVELOPER TO KEEP IT AND WORK AROUND IT IN HIS? SO THAT'S NOT IN THE CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          IT'S ONE THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND. 
          AND IT'S ONE THAT WE'VE DONE IN OTHER AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE A SIGNIFICANT TREE. 
          USUALLY THAT STARTS AT 26, 28 INCHES. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S A DEBATABLE THING. 
          IT BECOMES A POLICY AS YOU, AND THEN YOU DO A, A TWO TO ONE OR A THREE TO ONE CREDIT IF YOU PRESERVE THAT TREE. 
          UM, AND SOME CITIES, LIKE WHEN WE WORKED WITH DALLAS, DALLAS GOT VERY, VERY COMPLICATED AND TOOK TWO AND A HALF YEARS TO WRITE. 
          THEY HAVE TIERS. 
          SO IF YOU SAVE 18 TO 20 INCHES, YOU GET THIS MITIGATION 20 TO THIS, YOU GET THIS MITIGATION AND YOU GET TO THAT IN THAT. 
          BUT TO DO THAT, THEN YOU REALLY, REALLY HAVE TO STRENGTHEN UP THE PRESERVATION PIECE OF IT, WHICH ISN'T THERE YET, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE, UH, A DEVELOPER, A LOT OF CREDIT FOR SAVING THIS ONE BIG TREE. 
          AND THEN THEY DON'T DO THE PRESERVATION DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS AND A DIES TWO YEARS LATER, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENS. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE REALLY, REALLY STRONG PRESERVATION PIECE OF IT. 
          SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE BEEFED UP IF WE, IF WE DID THAT. 
          AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT'S USUALLY A PRETTY GOOD TOOL TO TRY TO GET DEVELOPERS, TO SAVE TREES. 
          IF THE INCENTIVE IS BIG ENOUGH, WELL, BACK ON THE CITY'S INSPECTORS, JUST LIKE SILT FENCE, MY OTHER PET PEEVE IT'S THE LAW REQUIRES IT. 
          YOU HAVE TO ENFORCE IT. 
          AND THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT THAT'S SUPER IMPORTANT. 
          AND THEN I WOULD ALSO ASK YOU IN COUNCILMAN SMITH, IS THERE ANY VALUE IN IT, IF IT'S IN THERE, I MAY HAVE MISSED IT. 
          IS THERE ANY BENEFIT TO MAYBE IN THE BEGINNING OF THE ORDINANCE TO, TO MAYBE ARTICULATE, UM, THE VALUE OF TREES IS KIND OF LIKE A PREAMBLE TO WHY WE'RE HAVING ALL THESE THINGS NOW, THE VALUE OF HABITAT, EROSION CONTROL THAT, THAT WAY IT'S EASY TO POINT BACK TO. 
          WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW THAT YOU'VE GOT THINGS THAT AVOID, YOU KNOW, THE HEAT SINK EFFECT. 
          YOU'VE GOT A ROJAN CONTROL, YOU'VE GOT STORMWATER CLARITY ISSUES, GOT ALL THESE VALUES OF TREES. 
          WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ARTICULATING THE VALUE OF WHY WE'RE BOTHERING. 
          ALL RIGHT, LET ME HOLD FOR A SECOND. 
          Y'ALL YOU'VE GOT SPEAKERS IN THE QUEUE AND I'D LIKE TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO WHO DO WE GET ANYBODY ON THIS SIDE? YOU WANT TO GO, MOLLY ALI, GO FOR IT ONE LAST TIME. 
          WELL, MIGHT'VE BEEN REALLY SHORT QUESTIONS AND IT PRETTY MUCH PRETENDED THE CHOIR, I THINK, BUT IS THERE ANY SEGREGATION FOR LIKE, I WOULD THINK THAT ANY DEVELOPER WOULD WANT THEIR ENTRANCE TO BE THE WOW FACTOR AND PROTECTING THOSE TREES. 
          SO IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY SORT OF, UM, DISCRIMINATION BETWEEN THE TREES THAT WOULD BE THERE VERSUS THE TREES THAT ARE FURTHER BACK? I MEAN, CAUSE IT'S EASIER FOR AN INSPECTOR TO SEE WHAT'S ON A MAJOR ARTERY VERSUS DIVING INTO THE BACK. 
          IT REALLY DEPENDS. 
          THIS WOULD BE A QUESTION WITH, UM, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OFFICE, CAUSE YOU GOT SETBACKS AND THERE'S LANDSCAPING CODES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND THAT CAN ALL BE MASSAGED AND WORKED IN AND MADE VERY, 
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VERY, VERY COMPLICATED OR IT CAN BE KEPT VERY, VERY SIMPLE. 
          I USUALLY OR INCENTIVIZE, BUT IT RIGHT, YOU KNOW, THE ENTRYWAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          USUALLY WHAT I LIKE TO SEE IS IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT IS AGAIN, GO BACK TO WHAT YOUR GOAL IS. 
          AND TO ME, THE GOAL IS WHAT THAT TREE WAS DOING, WHICH WAS URBAN HEAT ISLAND. 
          IT'S STORM WATER. 
          IT'S ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT TREES PROVIDE FOR US BECAUSE YOU JUST THINK WHAT TREE SAPA, HOW MUCH WATER, AND THEN YOU TAKE THEM ALL DOWN AND YOU PUT IN CONCRETE, THEN ALL GOES IN AND YOU GOT TO PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE WHEN TREES CAN DO THAT. 
          GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE CAN DO THAT. 
          SO WHAT WE DID IN DALLAS AND WORKED REALLY WELL, AND THEN WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF STARTED TO WORK ON SOME OF THOSE IN SOME OTHER CITIES. 
          AND THIS MIGHT BE A WAY THAT THE CITY WANTS TO GO IS YOU THEN SAY YOU GO ONE STEP FURTHER, AS OPPOSED TO JUST DOING NATIVE PLANTINGS. 
          IF YOU PUT IN BIO RETENTION, IF YOU PUT IN THINGS LIKE BIO SWELL, IF YOU DO THINGS LIKE REDUCE PARKING AND TURN THAT INTO GREEN SPACE. 
          SO YOU DON'T DO MAX PARKING JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN, YOU GET A VARIANCE TO DO REDUCE PARKING AND REPLACE THAT WITH GREEN SPACE AND USE THAT AS PART OF YOUR STORMWATER DRAINAGE, THEN YOU PUT A COST FACTOR TO THAT AND THEN THAT CAN WIPE OUT YOUR MITIGATION. 
          SO WHEN WE DID THIS IN DALLAS, WHERE IT WAS A BIG ISSUE BECAUSE THE SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS IS WHERE 70% OF THE TREES WERE AND THAT'S WHERE 60% OF THE DEVELOPABLE LAND WAS. 
          SO THEY HAD A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY IT TOOK US SO LONG TO BUILD THIS ORDINANCE TOGETHER. 
          AND WHAT THE MESSAGE FROM THE BEGINNING WAS WAS WE WEREN'T GOING TO BUILD THIS, THIS, THIS, UM, ORDINANCE TO COST THE DEVELOPERS LESS MONEY. 
          THE GOAL OF THE ORDINANCE WAS TO GET THE DEVELOPER TO INVEST THAT MONEY BACK INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, TO MAKE IT A BETTER DEVELOPER IN TERMS OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, IN TERMS OF ADDING MORE TREES IN TERMS OF ADDING MORE, WE PUT IN THERE, PROVISIONS THAT IF YOU ADDED MORE SOIL VOLUME, THAT, THAT YOU COULD GET, UM, BENEFITS AND CREDITS FOR THAT. 
          SO YOU CAN GO DOWN THIS RABBIT TRAIL REALLY, REALLY LONG, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT ALL DAY LONG, BUT YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOUR GOAL IS AND THEN WHERE THAT DIM. 
          AND THIS WILL ALSO HAVE TO BE A STRONG CONVERSATION WITH DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO FALL ON THEM TO INSPECT AND TO ENFORCE AND TO DO ALL OF THAT. 
          AND THAT ALL HAS A PIECE TO IT TOO. 
          SO THERE'S A HAPPY MEDIUM IN THERE AND YOU KNOW, WHAT'S RIGHT FOR SOME CITIES ISN'T RIGHT FOR THE OTHER CITY. 
          AND SO IT TAKES SOME TIME TO WORK THROUGH THESE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO THAT FAR DOWN AND IT'S JUST NOT A CURSORY COVER AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DO A, WHATEVER YOUR DIRECTION IS, GO AHEAD AND BOOK SOME TIME WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THAT WHOLE, AS I'M SITTING HERE LISTENING TO THIS, I HADN'T THOUGHT OF THAT OR THAT OR THAT OR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I CAME TO THE RIGHT PLACE, MR. CARTER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WELL THANK YOU COUNCILMAN SMITH FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT TO VISIT WITH US, UH, UNDERSTAND THAT WE NOW HAVE A CITY ARBORIST, UM, WORKING WITH THE PERSON WHO'S THE RESPONSIBLE OFFICIAL FOR THE TREE ORDINANCE AND THE PLANNING DIRECTOR. 
          UH, WE'VE GOTTEN INTO SOME PROBLEMS HERE LATELY, UH, BY SOME INTERPRETATIONS THAT WERE MADE THAT, UH, WE'RE NOT, UM, ON THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE NOT, UH, IN, IN SYNC WITH WHAT THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESERVED AND, AND COULD HAVE HAD. 
          SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT WE HAVE THE ARBORISTS THERE. 
          I'VE HAD THE MEETINGS WITH THE DIRECTOR ON THAT. 
          AND, UM, UH, I'VE ALSO GOT SOME, JUST SOME NOTES IN HERE. 
          I GUESS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DALLAS AND I BELIEVE DALLAS WAS TRYING TO DEVELOP IT'S A TREE ORDINANCE ABOUT THE SAME TIME AUSTIN WAS WHEN BOTH OF THEM DECIDED YOU COULDN'T BUILD ANYTHING WITH THEIR ORDINANCES THAT THEY GOT TO. 
          THEN THEY STARTED TO CHANGING THEM AND THEY REASON ONE WAS TRYING TO ONE UP THE OTHER ONE, UH, TALKING ABOUT TREES OUT IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE OF A DEVELOPMENT OUT IN OUTSIDE THE PERIMETER, UH, FIRE MAN WAS TRYING TO HANDLE THAT MANY YEARS AGO, UH, BECAUSE OF THEIR BLACK JACK HOKE, WHICH IS A REALLY SLOW GROWING BEAUTIFUL TREE. 
          WHEN IT'S ALL DONE, YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE TO PRESERVE THE TREES OUT IN THE MIDDLE. 
          AND, AND SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS GOT OUT THERE AND SAID, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO PRESERVE THEM. 
          AND THEY, THEY GRADED, GRADED THE LAND WHERE THEY COULD USE IT THE WAY IT WAS PLANTED. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE A TREE ON A 15 FOOT MOUND, 20 FOOT MOUND, ALL OF THEM. 
          AND THEY WENT, WAIT A MINUTE. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS A GREAT THOUGHT, BUT SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T WORK. 
          AND SO EVERYTHING HAS TO BE FLEXIBLE. 
          YEAH. 
          NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING. 
          YOU'D BE CAST IN CONCRETE WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH TREES AND OUR GUY, IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL GOT TO BE THE FLEXIBILITY OF HOW IT'S WRITTEN AND HOW IT'S INTERPRETED. 
          AND, UM, I WAS LOOKING AT SOME OTHER, OTHER THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T GET TO SEE THAT SECTION THREE, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ON THE SCREENING ORDINANCE, BECAUSE I ACTUALLY HAD THE BOOK ON THAT ONE, UH, AT HOME TO WORK BACK WITH THEIR PLANNING DEPARTMENT ON THAT ISSUE THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE. 
          BUT, UH, UNDER DIVISION THREE, SECTION 4.57 A UNDER CIVIL PENALTIES, UH, FOR, UH, I GUESS WE'LL START HERE. 
          I THINK WE HAVE ONE OF THE BETTER ORDINANCES THAT WAS DEVELOPED SEVERAL YEARS AGO. 
          THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY HAD INPUT INTO THAT AND IT, AND IT'S REALLY SHOWN BECAUSE WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH IT FOR THE MOST PART, BUT IT IS TIME FOR TWEAKING. 
          IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN MAYBE 20 YEARS. 
          IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME AGO SINCE IT WAS BEING TALKED ABOUT. 
          BUT, UH, ON THE ENFORCEMENT AND PENALTIES, WE HAVE PENALTIES OF, UH, AMOUNT OF IT. 
          DOESN'T SAY UP TO IT SAYS THAT 
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A PERSON WOULD BE SUBJECT TO CIVIL PENALTIES IN THE AMOUNT OF $250 PER CALIBER RANCH, A TREE OR INJURED. 
          IT DOESN'T SAY UP TO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO FLEXIBILITY THERE. 
          AND IF YOU THINK OF THAT, OKAY, YOU GOT IT. 
          YOU GOT A TREE WE'RE GOING TO MEASURE MATT, HOW FAR OFF THE GROUND, WE'RE GOING TO MEASURE THESE FOR THE FOUR AND A HALF FEET. 
          FOUR AND A HALF FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          I LIKE THAT ONE THAT I SEE THAT ONE, A FOUR, FOUR AND A HALF FEET. 
          GOOD. 
          BECAUSE IN THE BEGINNING THERE WERE PEOPLE, THEY WERE TRYING TO MEASURE IT DOWN AT GROUND LEVEL. 
          THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE CALLED OUT FOR THE ORDINANCE READS CALIPER CALIBER, AND THAT THEY WERE MEASURING AT GROUND LEVEL SO FORTH. 
          AND THAT FOUR AND A HALF FEET IS, IS A GOOD NUMBER. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, BUT FOUR INCHES, A FOUR INCH CALIBER TREE AT $250 PER CALIBER INCH. 
          THAT'S A NUGGET THAT LITTLE FOREST TREE JUST COST YOU A THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          NOW YOU HAVE 150 OF THOSE ON YOUR PROPERTY, YOUR, YOUR FOUR INCH TREES AS A NOT PROTECTED TREE, IT'S ONLY PROTECTED AT SIX INCHES, SIX INCHES CALIPER RIGHT NOW WHERE WE'RE HEADED, WHERE WE'RE HEADED, IT WOULD, THIS WOULD WORK. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SAME THING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WAS ENJOYING READING THIS TODAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, A MINIMUM SIZE OF REPLACEMENT TREES, UM, SHOULD HAVE A CALIBER OF THREE INCHES OR LARGER, BUT THAT IS IN EITHER SINGLE, SINGLE, OR MULTIPLE. 
          AND THEN YOU GET GETTING THOSE NUMBERS. 
          MULTIPLE ACTUALLY WILL BE A BETTER TREE TYPICALLY BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO GROW FASTER THAN, THAN ONE SINGLE. 
          BUT I WAS LOOKING AT THIS WHEN HE SAYS AN EXISTING TABLE, 4.9, WHERE IT SAYS EXISTING TREE SPECIES, A SIX, SIX TO 18 INCH WITH A ONE INCH PER ONE INCH EQUAL EQUAL PRESENTATION. 
          THAT MEANS EITHER THREE, SIX INCH CALIBER TREES OR SIX, THREE INCH CALIBER TREE, CALIBER TREES, 4 1 6 TO 18 INCH TREE. 
          YOU CAN, YOU CAN PRETTY QUICKLY GET, BECAUSE OUR LOTS ARE GETTING SMALLER AND SMALLER AND OUR HOUSES ARE TAKING UP MORE AND MORE OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY AND THE ABILITY TO DO SOME OF THE THINGS WHICH WOULD BE IDEAL OR, UM, ARE GETTING MORE DIFFICULT THAN THEY'VE EVER BEEN IN THE PAST. 
          THAT'S THE, JUST THE COOL THING THAT IF WE OPEN THIS BACK UP, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO THAT EXACT POINT IS THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ALTERNATIVE WAYS TO MEET YOUR MITIGATION. 
          AND SO A GREAT PARTNERSHIP WOULD BE IF YOU CAN'T MEET YOUR MITIGATION ON SITE, THAT WE PLANT TREES IN A PARK WITHIN THIS VICINITY OF WHERE THAT DEVELOPMENT IS TO BE ABLE TO HELP OFFSET LESS PLANTING NEW TREES IN THE PARK, THOSE TREES ARE STILL GETTING PLANTED. 
          THEY'RE STILL GETTING USED FOR THE SAME USE. 
          AND AGAIN, NOW THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO PAY INTO A TREE MITIGATION FUND. 
          THEY'RE DONATING THOSE TREES. 
          AND WE WERE LOOKING AT WHEN YOU STARTED THIS A YEAR OR TWO AGO, I THINK WE TALKED TO HER MAC THEN STARTED TO SAYING WE HAD AN $800,000 TREE MITIGATION FUNDING. 
          WE HAD NO PLACE TO SPEND THE MONEY. 
          OH, WE FOUND IN PLACES. 
          YEAH. 
          HE'S TRYING TO PUT 130 MILLION OF BOND FUNDS ON THE GROUND RIGHT NOW. 
          SO HE'S, HE'S FINDING PLACES. 
          IT HELPS WITH OVER BUDGET PROJECTS IN THE LANDSCAPE, WHAT HE DOESN'T SPEND OUT, I'LL HAVE A PLAN FOR. 
          RIGHT? TH TH TH THE GREAT THING ABOUT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE 19, WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES, UH, AS ALWAYS, WE HAVE ANOTHER SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          SOME PEOPLE CALL THOSE PROBLEMS. WE CALL THEM CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE, IN ANYTHING WE DO, THERE HAS THINGS HAVE TO MATURE TO MEET WHERE THE MARKET IS AND, AND HAVING A PARTICIPATION, UH, FUND WITH, UH, WITH A DEVELOPER COULD COME IN REAL HANDY RIGHT NOW IN ONE PLACE THAT PEOPLE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT, UH, ON, ON A DEVELOPMENT, UH, SOMEWHERE NEAR, UH, CENTERVILLE, CONTRA COLLIBRA, BUT, UM, UH, WASN'T NAMED NAME THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT ANYWAY, UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING A CITY BE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE WITH A DEVELOPER, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE NORM. 
          IT SEEMS AS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE, HAVING MEN IN THERE, IT'S A TAKE, TAKE, TAKE, TAKE TAKE. 
          AND THE CITY OF GARLAND NEVER REALLY HAS PARTICIPATED LIKE THAT. 
          WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN, UH, UNDERSTANDING TO A DEGREE. 
          SO THE, THE KEY IS TO, IS TO BE ABLE TO RIDE AN ORDINANCE IN SUCH A WAY THAT SOMEONE WHO'S HERE AFTER WE'RE GONE, COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND COME UP WITH A SIMILAR INTERPRETATION AS TO WHAT WE WOULD HAVE MET IN THE BEGINNING. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REALLY STRUGGLING WITH, WHICH YOU SHOULD BE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT EASY, BUT IT IS VERY, VERY INTERESTING IN WHAT, UH, WHAT AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE PART OF SUCH A THING FOR THE CITY. 
          SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, MATT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, EVEN THOUGH MOST OF IT WENT OVER HIS CAUSE WE DIDN'T ASK SECTION THREE AND I APOLOGIZE THAT THAT'S REAL EASY FOR YOU TO DO WITH US. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I, I JUST WANT TO SAY MATT, THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING THAT. 
          I THINK A LOT OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS 
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WERE GREAT AND VERY UP-TO-DATE WITH A LOT OF WHERE EVERYBODY'S GOING AND I APPRECIATE IT. 
          AND HONESTLY, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING YOU SAID, I THINK AGREED WITH, WITH WHERE WE NEED TO GO WITH THIS. 
          UM, I REALLY LIKED THE FOCAL POINT OF TAKING, NOT FOCUSING ON THE DESIRABLE TREES, REAL DESIRABLE, BUT THE LEAST DESIRABLE. 
          AND THAT THOSE WOULD BE ON THE LIST AND NOT THE CAUSE. 
          YOU COULD JUST KEEP ADDING THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE ALL HAVE THOSE FOCAL POINTS OF WHAT WE DON'T WANT. 
          UM, SO I LIKED THAT, THAT, THAT POINT OF VIEW AND DEFINITELY THE CALIPER PART OF IT, CHANGING THAT THAT IS A DEFINITE, UM, AND THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO SAY IS THE FOCAL POINT ON THE LARGER TREES, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THOSE ARE PROBABLY, YOU CAN'T GET THOSE BACK OVER, YOU KNOW, A SHORT SPAN OF TIME. 
          I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU DO. 
          YOU'RE GOOD. 
          IT'S GOING TO TAKE YEARS TO GET A TREE LIKE THAT BACK. 
          YEAH. 
          A COUPLE OF LIFETIMES, WHICH I THINK IS SO IMPORTANT WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE THE TREES. 
          THOSE ARE, SHOULD BE ARE. 
          UH, BUT YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          AND I'VE JUST TO REITERATE THAT I WOULD ARGUE ON DEVELOPERS' BEHALF TO THAT POINT OF PRESERVING, THAT'S GONNA AFFECT THE PROPERTY VALUE AND THE SALE RIGHT AWAY. 
          THAT THAT LOT IS MORE VALUABLE WHEN IT HAS MATURE TREES OR THAT VIEW OR THAT ADJACENCY IT'S, IT'S COMING BACK ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND THAT GIVE AND TAKE. 
          AND THAT INCENTIVIZING IS WHAT HELPS END UP WITH A BETTER DEVELOPMENT, NOT JUST TO DO THIS OR ELSE MENTALITY. 
          AND THEN ONE OTHER THING THAT I HEARD THE PARK BOARD SAY IN PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS, THAT NOW THAT THE, THE CAN OF WORMS HAS BEEN ON CANNED, UM, THE CONCERN THAT IN A LOT OF THAT'S HAPPENED LONG TIME AGO, BUT YOU SEE A LOT OF TREES THAT ARE POORLY PRUNED BECAUSE THEY'RE UNDER POWER LINES AND SOMEHOW THEY WERE ALLOWED TO GET THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          UM, AND I'VE NOW UNDERSTAND PLANNING HAS A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ON STAFF THAT HELPS WITH A VARIETY OF THOSE ISSUES, THAT REVIEWS. 
          SO WHILE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS, MAYBE IT MIGHT HELP TO PUT THAT ON THE LIST TO SAY, BECAUSE SCHEMATICALLY, WHEN YOU SHOW IT AN IMMATURE TREE PLANTED AT THAT DIMENSION, IT MIGHT TECHNICALLY BE OUT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY OR THE EASEMENT FOR THE POWER, BUT AT ITS MATURE CROWN IT'S BACK INTO THERE AND CREATING THAT ISSUE. 
          AND SO YOU WENT RIGHT FORWARD TO IT, MAN, YOU WENT TO THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL. 
          IT'S TOUGH, BUT IT'S TOUGH. 
          BUT WHEN EVERYONE HERE FOR THE LAST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG HAS MENTIONED. 
          WE'RE A TREE CITY USA, BUT WHEN YOU COME INTO THE POWER LINES, YOU SEE THESE TREES THAT ARE, YEAH, THEY'RE CORRECTLY PRUNED. 
          THEY'RE NEVER BEEN THERE OR PROPERLY PRUNED. 
          AND WE LIKED THE LIGHTS ON ACTUALLY, RIGHT? SO THAT'S, AND, AND MOST OF THESE, AND TO BE HONEST, I HAVEN'T DOVE IN, INTO THE, THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS OF OUR CODE YET AS MUCH AS I DID INTO THE TREE CODE, BUT MOST CITIES CAUSE THEIR OWN ISSUES BECAUSE THEY HAVE FRONT-FACING FACADE PLANTINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED TREES EVERY SO MANY FEET. 
          AND IT DOESN'T SAY IF THAT, THAT DOESN'T GIVE THEM AN OUT, IF IT'S THERE'S A POWER LINE THERE. 
          SO DEVELOPERS JUST GO IN AND PLANT THEM, RIGHT. 
          AND THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT ABILITY TO, IN THAT VARIANCE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THEM AND DISCRETION. 
          UH, OUR PROBLEM IS GARLAND POWER LIGHT DOESN'T VARY THE MAIN TRANSMISSION LINES ALONE. 
          IT MAY IN THE QUARTERS. 
          AND JUST ONE QUICK THING, THERE IS, THERE'S AN EASY THING HERE, TREE, A TREE MITIGATION PLAN, AND USING SOME OF OUR FUNDS TO GO TO PEOPLE WHO OWN THOSE PROPERTIES, THAT TREES WERE PLANTED IN THE WRONG PLACE. 
          AND NOW THEY JUST, RIGHT AFTER THEY GREW UP TO BE A BEAUTIFUL TREE, HAD BEEN RUINED, IS OFFERED TO TAKE THAT TREE DOWN AND PLANT THE PROPER SPECIES OF TREE. 
          AND THEN YOU HELP THE WHOLE AREA. 
          AND YOU CAN GO THROUGH OUR AREAS THAT WERE BUILT PRIMARILY IN THE EIGHTIES. 
          AND ALONG IN THERE, WHEN WE STARTED PLANTING ALL THE TREES ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAYS AND THINGS, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO FIND IT. 
          AND JUST WHEN THEY GOT TO BE BEAUTIFUL TREES, WE SCALPED THEM RIGHT ON THIS SIDE. 
          AND MOLLY, SOME OF THAT WAS BECAUSE APPAREL LINES REMOVED, BUT I REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR DOING ALL THIS, THAT IT'S NOT JUST IN THE EXAMPLE YOU GAVE LIKE SOUTH DALLAS WITH UNDEVELOPED PLAN. 
          WE'RE NOW . 
          AND THAT WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT BEYOND WHAT WE'RE HERE, REPURPOSING THE LAND, AND YOU'RE GETTING A STANDARD TO GO TO FOR, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT AREAS. 
          AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP, AND I'M NOT GOING TO LIE. 
          I'M GOING TO JUST KEEP OPENING THIS CAN OF WORMS. CAUSE YOU SAID WE CAN GO DOWN THIS, THIS, THIS HOLE. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I COULD SEE AS A POTENTIAL ISSUE IN GARLAND AND I THINK WOULD BE A SMART IDEAS TO LOOK AT IS SMALL SINGLE FAMILY REDEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO SEE REDEVELOPMENT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          WE'RE GOING TO SEE WHERE THERE WAS SMALL HOUSES ON LARGE LOTS WHERE THERE'S BIG TREES AND AS WE TRANSITIONED AND AS WE GROW AND WE BUILD OUT, THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE GOING TO TRANSITION OVER AND THEY'RE GOING TO BUY THE, THEY'RE GOING TO TEAR DOWN THE SMALL HOUSE. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD BIGGER HOUSES, UH, WHICH IS A BIG ISSUE THAT WE SEE IN A LOT OF OUR COMMUNITIES AROUND HERE AND HOW OUR ORDINANCES READ NOW, UH, EVEN ON THIS ONE THAT WOULDN'T BE, UM, IT WOULDN'T FALL UNDERNEATH THE STANDARDS OF OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE AND THERE'S THINGS THAT CAN BE PUT INTO IT AND WRITTEN INTO IT THOUGH THAT IF SOMEBODY COMES IN BUYS A LOT, 
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UH, AND THEY, THEY BUILD A NEW HOME AND THEY EXTEND THAT FOOTPRINT BEYOND A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE. 
          NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THE TREE PRESERVATION KICKS IN, SO THERE'S WAYS TO DO IT. 
          UM, AND IT, I COULD SEE SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S AT LEAST TO US TAKING A LOOK AT IT CAN BE A POLITICAL FOOTBALL SOMETIMES. 
          UM, BUT IT'S AT LEAST WORTH LOOKING AT BECAUSE I COULD SEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE AS GARLAND CONTINUES TO REDEVELOP AND NEIGHBORHOODS REDEVELOPED OVER THE COMING DECADES. 
          WELL, I'M IN MY LAST TERM. 
          SO NOW'S THE TIME FOR POLITICAL FOOTBALLS IF I NEED TO CARRY, I'M NOT UP FOR ELECTION AGAIN. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I I'M HAPPY TO, UH, TO FIRST TO SIT AND WORK ON THIS TOGETHER AND, AND BRING IT BACK TO Y'ALL AND HAVE THAT HAVE A FEW ITERATIONS BACK AND FORTH, GET THAT CONSTANT FEEDBACK, RIGHT. 
          THE TREE ORDINANCE WE WANT, UH, RIGHT. 
          THE ONE THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          THAT'S UP TO DATE AND MODERN AND ANTICIPATES THESE REDEVELOPMENT EFFORTS. 
          AND THEN, UH, I'LL GO FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THANKS FOR CARING. 
          YES, I REALLY DO. 
          THAT'S A PASSIONATE SUBJECT. 
          IT IS, THIS IS WHY THIS IS WHERE I WANTED IT TO START. 
          SO I WAS JUST WANTING TO MENTION A COUPLE OF THINGS, I GUESS I'D CALL THEM DEFINITIONS. 
          SO, SO FIRST ON NATIVES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE NATIVE TO TEXAS THAT ARE NOT NATIVE TO DALLAS FORT WORTH. 
          SO YOU HAD TO BE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT DEFINITION OF NATIVE AND WE'RE GETTING THE RIGHT THINGS IN THERE. 
          NO MORE. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO PLANT ANY CIGARRO, CACTUS X'S ARE BLACK LAND PRAIRIE OR SOME COMBINATION AND OVERLAP OF THE TWO OR REGION SEVEN ECO REGION KILLED MY SHERIFF OF VEGETABLES. 
          SO I KNOW THAT ONE. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, I'LL REPORT OUT THERE TO WHAT WILL GROW IN THAT. 
          THE OTHER THING IS ON, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SEE FEWER INVASIVES AND MORE NATIVES. 
          I MEAN, EVERYBODY KNOWS MY STAND ON THAT, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE ON THIS LIST, YOU, I MEAN, THERE'S PROBABLY SIX SPECIES, MAYBE SEVEN OR EIGHT THAT I'VE ALREADY STARTED INVADING, UH, THE, UH, SPRING CREEK FOREST AND WHAT YEAH, COULD WE, A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL SEE IT AS NATIVE AND ADAPTED, WHAT'S YOUR STANCE ON THE NATIVE AND ADAPTED. 
          SO IT MIGHT BE ONE OF THOSE THAT ISN'T ON AN INVASIVE LIST, BUT IT'S ALSO SO ADAPTED MAY OR MAY NOT MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, AN INVASIVE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IF YOU DON'T GO ADAPT TO YOUR, YOUR, YOUR SPECIES PALLET SO LIMITED, IT MAKES SENSE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I DON'T WANT IT, SO THAT'S WHAT LIKE CHINESE, CHINESE MUSTACHE, YOU KNOW, BUT I ACTUALLY, CHINESE PISTACHIO IS ACTUALLY CONSIDERED INVASIVE IN OUR REGION NOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          I BELIEVE IT. 
          AND I CAN, I CAN VOUCH FOR THAT. 
          THEY, UM, UM, THE OTHER THING THAT ON INVASIVES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MULTIPLE INVASIVE LISTS, RIGHT? SO THERE'S THE TEXAS INVASIVES, WE'RE JUST KIND OF ALL INCLUSIVE. 
          SO IT INCLUDES THINGS THAT ARE ON THIS LIST, LIKE VITEX, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY PROBLEM WITH IT IN THIS AREA, YOU KNOW? AND IT LOOKS NICE. 
          I MEAN, IT MAY NOT BE A HOST TREE FOR ANYTHING THAT LIVES AROUND HERE, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT ARE KIND OF REGULATORY LISTS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE AGRICULTURE FOLKS HAVE, I MEAN, YOU DON'T WANT TO BRING THIS IN TO THE COUNTRY. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, AND SO THERE'S SOME SORT OF BALANCE THERE ON THE INVASIVES, BUT THE THINGS WE ARE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH AND WE'RE STARTING TO SEE PROBLEMS WITH, I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM OFF THIS LIST. 
          YEAH. 
          AND AGAIN, I LIKE TO DO AWAY WITH LISTS AND MAKE THEM SIMPLER. 
          YEAH. 
          LIKE HERE, IT'S GOT A LANDSCAPE LIST. 
          I LIKE THE HELPERS AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS TO BE CREATIVE AND SAY, HEY, THESE ARE WHAT WE WANT YOU TO STAY AWAY FROM. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE SOME ADAPT STUFF AND YOU KNOW, THAT WORKS, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GOING THE BIOSWALE ROUTE AND YOU'RE GOING TO START TO ADD THOSE, YOU CAN'T RESTRICT THEM ON ONE END AND THEN SAY, HEY, WE'RE TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE YOU ON THE OTHER END. 
          SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A COMPLETE REWRITE OF, OF A LOT OF THIS SECTIONS AND WE'LL DEFINITELY GET YOUR ON, ESPECIALLY ON THE NATIVE STUFF. 
          I'LL DEFINITELY GET YOUR INPUT. 
          I'M THINKING GOING FORWARD IS WHAT, WE'LL LEAVE THIS WITH YOU GUYS. 
          I'LL GET OUT OF THE WAY, Y'ALL KNOW THE GOALS. 
          AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE READY, WE'LL COME BACK AND SIT DOWN AND PROBABLY JUST TALK ABOUT IT OFFLINE A COUPLE OF TIMES AND, AND, UH, UH, LET YOU GUYS GET IT TO A PLACE WHERE YOU'RE HAPPY WITH IT. 
          AND THEN I'LL MEET BACK WITH YOU IN HERE FOR ONE OF YOUR MEETINGS. 
          AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL GET A PLAN TO TAKE IT FORWARD TO THE REST OF THE, UH, UH, BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND COUNCIL. 
          YOU ULTIMATELY WANT A, UH, AN OFFICIAL RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PARK BOARD IN THAT CAPACITY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, I WOULD SAY TAKE THE TIME YOU NEED TO GET IT RIGHT. 
          AND IF THAT'S A MONTH, IF THAT'S NINE MONTHS, WHEN YOU'RE HAPPY WITH IT, SEND IT FORWARD AND WE'LL GET IT DONE. 
          UM, SOMETIMES THE TIMEFRAME IS HELPFUL JUST TO KEEP YOU MOVING FORWARD. 
          LET'S SEE, WE GOT A YEAR. 
          YOU GUYS ARE OUT, YOU GUYS ARE OUT IN JULY, RIGHT. 
          YOU ALL TEND TO SKIP THE JULY MEETING. 
          SO THAT GIVES YOU MAY JUNE 
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YOUR AUGUST MEETING. 
          AND THEN WE'LL HAVE NEW MEMBERS ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND, UH, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER TIMELINE. 
          SO IF WE COULD GET SOMETHING OUT OF THIS GROUP, I'D LIKE MAYBE SOMETHING LAST MEETING, UH, OUT OF, UH, AUGUST, AUGUST. 
          SO THAT WAY WE DON'T GET INVOLVED IN, UH, MEMBERSHIP CHANGES IF THEY'RE ALREADY, UM, AND THAT WAY EVERYBODY'S, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE SUMMER TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH IT DOABLE. 
          AND DOES THAT WORK FOR STAFF? SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT'S IT? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE YOU ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S THE END OF VERBAL BRIEFINGS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MONTHLY REPORTS AND YOU BEHAVED YOURSELF, MR. CARTER. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          HARDER DEGREE, QUICK QUESTIONS UNDER PARK DIVISION UPDATE. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE QUESTIONS ON. 
          IF WE'RE THERE ON THAT. 
          UM, HOW MANY BAGS IT SAYS DO WINTERIZED, ALL BATHROOMS. WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY. 
          DO WE IN THE PARKS? THAT'S A MATT QUESTION. 
          WE DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT THE NUMBER OF, OF RESTROOMS THAT WE WENT ARISE AND D RISE. 
          UH, SO WE DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT THE ONLY ONE THAT WE DO NOT, UH, DO YOU WINTERIZE IT? OR THE ONLY ONE THAT WE DO NOT WINTERIZE AT THIS TIME IS THE DARK PARK, THE NEW DOG PARK RESTROOM, UM, ALL OF THE NEW RESTROOMS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE BUILDING, THOSE WILL ALL BE YEAR-ROUND RESTROOMS BECAUSE THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT BETTER INSULATED THE CHASE ROOMS, BETTER INSULATED. 
          WE CAN PUT A HEATER IN THERE, BUT CURRENTLY THAT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT DOESN'T GET WINTER ICE, ALL THE OTHER ONES DO AND 10 SPRING CREEK, BUT THAT'S ONLY OPEN FOR, YEAH. 
          SO LIKE 20, NO, IT'S NOT THAT MANY, UM, WAY MORE PROPORTIONATELY THAN LIKE DALLAS THAT NEEDS THEM IN CERTAIN PLACES. 
          BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S, ONE'S LIKE ONE 11 GETS WINTERIZED. 
          AUDUBON GETS WINTERIZED. 
          UM, MARTIN BRADFIELD WOULD GET THEM ON HER EYES DOWN AND COMING BACK IN THE FALL, YOU SAID AFTER, OH NO, IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS. 
          THEY LEAVE HOLFORD AND THEY'RE GOING TO AUDUBON. 
          SO THAT'LL BE DONE BY THE END OF THE SUMMER, THE SMALL ONE ON THE OTHER END. 
          NOT THE SOCCER SIDE OF THE PLAYGROUND. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          YES. 
          BY THE PLAYGROUND GETTING LOCATED. 
          VERY NICE PLAYGROUND, BY THE WAY, JUST HOW WELL YOU'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB CLEARING OUT AROUND THERE AND MULCHING AND, AND YOU'VE, YOU'VE DONE A NICE JOB NOW TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT. 
          WE ARE, WE ARE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW MANY WE WILL BE ADDING. 
          AND IT'S 10. 
          I KNOW THEY'RE EXPENSIVE. 
          AND YEAH, THAT GOES TO THE STAFFING QUESTION 10. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A BUNCH. 
          YEAH. 
          BATHROOMS ARE VERY INTENSIVE. 
          WE NEED IT, ADMINISTRATOR THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, HEY, I'VE GOT A TRUCK IF YOU'RE IN. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW I'M ARGUING MATT. 
          UM, WHERE WE WERE, WE WERE GOING JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO. 
          AND THE MORE I THINK ABOUT THIS, THE MORE I'D LIKE FOR US TO BE CONSIDERING AS WE'RE PUTTING THIS TOGETHER, AN SDN INCENTIVE PROGRAM FOR THE DEVELOPERS AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING, UH, THROUGH THE BOND ELECTION, WE'RE DOING LIKE A MAIN STREET FIRST STREET, UM, BEAUTIFICATION, WE'RE DOING BEAUTIFICATION OR THERE'S. 
          WE COULD COME BACK AND PICK UP SOME OF OUR AREAS AROUND THE SOUTH GARLAND WITH WHERE THESE TREES THEY PLANTED LIVE OAKS IS, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING TO ENVELOP PLANT REALLY GOOD TREES. 
          THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE NOW GROWN TO BE THE WORST THING TO GO IN AND HAVE A PROGRAM WHERE YOU COULD GO IN, MAYBE ASSIST PEOPLE WITH THE PRICE OF DOING THAT. 
          MAYBE DO IT FOR THEM IN THESE, BUT TO CLEAN UP THOSE CORRIDORS AROUND CENTERVILLE OR COUNTRY CLUB BROADWAY, UH, WHICH REALLY NEEDS, NEEDS SOME HELP BECAUSE THAT, THAT WAS OUR SECOND REALLY NICE AREA IN GARLAND. 
          WE HAD WILLIAMS ESTATES OVER, UM, GARLAND ROAD AND MILLER. 
          THEN WE CAME INTO THE COUNTRY CLUB AREA AND THEN WE CAME IN WITH, WITH FAR WHEEL AT THE TOP ONLY FIRE WHEEL WAS DEVELOPED DURING THE TIME OF, OF THE MODERN, UH, MODERN PARTS HERE. 
          AND SO WE STILL HAVE PICKING UP TO DO THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THE OTHER ITEM THAT WAS ON HERE WAS ON THE DUCK CREEK VOLUNTEER CLEANUPS SCHEDULED FOR MAY 14TH. 
          HE'S HAD, I, THEY USED TO BE BEFORE THERE WAS SO MUCH EMPHASIS ON SPRING CREEK FOREST. 
          THERE USED TO BE SOME OF THIS HAPPENING DOWN AT, AT OUR END. 
          SO, UM, AND I SEE A LOT MORE, WE'RE SPEARHEADING THAT, UH, WE'RE DOING IT WITH NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY, UH, UWS AND STORM WATER. 
          UM, AND WE HAD PLANNED ON MAKING THIS AN ANNUAL EVENT. 
          AND IF IT'S POPULAR ENOUGH, HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE A BIANNUAL EVENT. 
          UM, SO THIS WILL BE OUR FIRST ONE, UH, SIGNS WILL, SHOULD START GOING OUT INTO THIS WEEK, FIRST PART OF NEXT WEEK. 
          AND WE'LL HOPEFULLY FOR A GREAT EVENT IN THIS, WE'LL HAVE VOLUNTEERS, THAT'LL BE ACTUALLY WALKING THE TRAIL, BUT REALLY THE HEART OF THIS ONE IS GOING TO BE, UM, HOPEFULLY GETTING PEOPLE DOWN ONTO THE CREEK BANKS AND INTO THE RIVER 
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CHANNEL AND WHERE YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY THERE'S AREAS THAT YOU CAN'T. 
          SO WE'RE ASKING FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE NIMBLE AND DON'T MIND BRINGING THEIR WAITERS AND GETTING IN THERE AND GETTING DIRTY. 
          AND WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON THIS FIRST ONE FROM, UM, UH, UH, LONG WIND TO ESSENTIALLY THE NEW PLAYGROUND, THAT SECTION, UH, THE, TO THE LOW WATER CROSSING AREA. 
          WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF FOCUS ON THAT SESSION, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR CLEANUP. 
          YOU GET THE TRASH OUT THIS WAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO. 
          WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET THAT OUT. 
          AND THEN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS COME BACK AND PRUNE THOSE TREES AND PRUNE THOSE LOW LIMBS DOWN. 
          UH, SO HOPEFULLY OBVIOUSLY YOU GET A FLOW. 
          I MEAN, WE GET THE, WE GET THE RAIN THAT WE JUST HAD AND THEN WHEN IT WAS UP SO HIGH, THERE'S NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO. 
          UM, BUT IF WE CAN GET THOSE LOW, LOW LIMBS DOWN THEN ON A NORMAL RISE, HOPEFULLY MOST OF THE DEBRIS, YOU KNOW, GOES DOWNSTREAM. 
          IT DOESN'T GET CAUGHT UP INTO THOSE TREES. 
          SO, UH, WE'LL BE COMING BACK IN, PRUNING THOSE UP, UH, WHERE CAN, AND I WANT TO CLARIFY, THAT'S NOT THE ENTIRE CREEK CORRIDOR. 
          WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON THE AREAS THAT VISITORS WOULD TYPICALLY SEE FROM THE TRAIL OR TRAIL, RIGHT ACROSS THINGS. 
          BRIDGES, JUST FOCUS ON THE VISUAL STUFF THAT YOU CAN SEE. 
          THERE'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THE ENTIRE CREEK CHANNEL, BUT WE RECOGNIZE IT'S HOW DOES ONE SIGN UP FOR BEING A VOLUNTEER ON THIS DAY? SO THERE WILL BE FIRES THAT WILL BE HITTING WEBSITES AND EVERYTHING. 
          UH, BY THE END OF THIS WEEK, FIRST PART OF NEXT WEEK AT THE LATEST, UH, WE WILL HAVE YARD SIGNS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT UP ALONG THE TRAIL AND IN FRONT OF AUDUBON, WE'RE GOING TO SEND STUFF TO THE REC CENTERS AND THERE'LL BE A QR CODE AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO AND SIGN UP. 
          UM, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS ALL GET A COPY OF THAT SO WE CAN GET YOUR CHURCH TO COME BACK OUT JACKETS AND GLOVES. 
          RIGHT. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, AND ON THE UPCOMING EVENTS, THE SOUNDS OF SUMMERS THAT HAS THAT BEEN NAILED DOWN YET, WHO'S PARTICIPATING. 
          I MEAN, WHO THE ARTISTS ARE. 
          YEAH, YES. 
          YEAH. 
          HERE THEY ARE. 
          PAUL MCCARTNEY, UH, SPELLED, UM, HANG ON, HANG ON, HANG ON. 
          ARE YOU GETTING INTO AN AUTOBON TO, WE CAN'T HAVE THE DIXIE CHICKS BACK AND GARLIC SOUNDS, OH, I HAVE, I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. 
          UM, BUT I FAILED TO PROVIDE THE ADEQUATE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED FOR THAT, CAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE AWESOME. 
          SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS I WILL FORWARD THAT OUT AND IT'S W SO WE HAVE TWO NEW THINGS GOING ON. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE SUPER COOL. 
          THE THING WE'RE MOST EXCITED ABOUT IS, AND I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU IN A NUTSHELL, THEN I'LL SEND YOU THE EXACT INFORMATION IN THE, IN OUR CONCERT POSTER. 
          SO WE'VE TAKEN THE FOUR SOUNDS OF SUMMER THAT WE USED TO DO. 
          AND THEN WE HAD SOME MONEY FOR, FOR JAZZ. 
          SINCE A LOT OF EVERYTHING'S DISPLACED FROM THE SQUARE, WE DECIDED LET'S COMBINE SOME FUNDING, UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO. 
          AND JUST BASED ON THE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE HEARING, GARLAND'S GOT A PRETTY COOL MUSICAL HISTORY SOMETIME AGO. 
          IT'S BEEN SOME PRETTY COOL STUFF. 
          AND, AND THERE'S SOME COOL THERE'S MUSICIANS HERE THAT PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT. 
          THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE MUSICIANS THAT HAVE ROOTS HERE THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT. 
          SO WE WANT TO BRING THAT BACK. 
          SO RATHER THAN FOCUSING ON ALL THOSE BANDS, BEING ENTIRELY COVER BANDS OR TRIBUTE BANDS, NOTHING WRONG WITH IT, PEOPLE LOVE IT, BUT I WANT TO TRY SOMETHING NEW THAT'S UNIQUELY GARLAND AND AUTHENTIC TO GARLAND. 
          AND WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE IS, IS ORIGINAL ARTISTS NOT COVER ARTISTS. 
          AND SO, UM, WE WENT DOWN THIS ROUTE AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT JIMMY WALLACE OF JIMMY WALLACE GUITARS ON THE SQUARE IS, UM, BEEN HERE A VERY, VERY LONG TIME. 
          HE'S ACTUALLY FROM OAK CLIFF, BUT HE'S BEEN HERE FOR 40 YEARS AND HE CHOSE TO HAVE HIS GUITAR SHOP HERE. 
          AND HE'S GOT AN INCREDIBLE NETWORK OF, OF ARTISTS THAT HE KNOWS PERSONALLY WORKS WITH. 
          PERSONALLY. 
          HE ALSO RUNS THE, UH, INTERNATIONAL GUITAR FESTIVAL EVERY YEAR HAS BEEN GOING ON 25 YEARS, THE DALLAS MARKET HALL, HE'S A TREASURE TROVE OF CONTACTS AND INFORMATION. 
          SO HE HAS HELPED US PUT TOGETHER THESE SIX CONCERTS OF THESE, WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON IS UP AND COMING ARTISTS BEFORE THEY GET SUPER EXPENSIVE. 
          UM, BUT THERE'LL BE PEOPLE WHERE I THINK WHEN YOU GO SEE LIVE MUSIC, YOU MAY NOT KNOW WHO THEY ARE, BUT WE WANT YOU TO BE BLOWN AWAY BY THEIR TALENT. 
          AND THEN THE WORD OF MOUTH IS, MAN, GARLAND'S THE PLACE YOU GOT TO GO TO LISTEN TO LIVE MUSIC, AND YOU GOT TO GO CHECK IT OUT. 
          SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF, UH, BLUES, UH, ARTISTS. 
          WE'VE GOT A LOT OF RED DIRT COUNTRY ARTISTS. 
          UM, AND THEN WE'VE GOT ONE THAT I CAN'T ANNOUNCE YET BECAUSE THERE'S A BLACKOUT DATE ON MARKETING BECAUSE THEY'RE PLAYING AT, UM, THE MAJESTIC. 
          AND AS SOON AS THEY'RE DONE WITH THE MAJESTIC SHOW, WE CAN ANNOUNCE IT, BUT HE'S AN INCREDIBLE BLUES GUITAR PLAYER. 
          UM, WE'VE GOT LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THEM'S ALLIE VENABLES. 
          WE LIKE HER BECAUSE SHE'S A REALLY HUGE UP AND COMING FEMALE BLUES GUITAR PLAYER. 
          YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THAT, BUT SHE SHREDS IT. 
          I MEAN, SHE'S GOT A NEW ALBUM COMING OUT. 
          THAT'S GOT SOME INCREDIBLE PARTNERSHIPS WITH IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, BUT I'LL SEND THIS OUT TO YOU GUYS. 
          UM, AND I APOLOGIZE THAT I WAS NOT BETTER PREPARED. 
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SO MAY 12TH, WE'RE GOING TO START THIS. 
          THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          HE SPENCER. 
          OOH. 
          UM, SUPER COOL SOUND IT'S COUNTRY WITH BLUES. 
          HE'S GOT A LITTLE TWAIN. 
          THAT'S, I'M PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. 
          THE ONE AND ONLY TRIBUTE RICKOVER BAND THAT WE HAVE IS GOING TO BE EMERALD CITY. 
          UM, WOW. 
          JIMMY'S BENEFIT IN THIS DEAL IS IT'S ALL PRICED, RIGHT? IT IS A VERY FRIENDLY PRICING STRUCTURE THAT, THAT HE HAS HELPED US GET, UH, FOLKS IN OUR BUDGET. 
          AND THEY'VE ALSO, HE IS A CASH SPONSOR AND VERTEX BANK IS A CASH SPONSOR. 
          SO THAT HELPED US PAY FOR THE INCREASE IN TALENT THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BUDGET FOR BEFORE. 
          UM, SO THEN YOU GO, UH, ALLIE VENABLE IS JUNE 9TH, EMERALD CITY'S MAY 26TH. 
          UH, THEN JUNE 23RD IS THE SURPRISE ARTIST TO BE NAMED LATER. 
          THAT'S ON MAY 6TH. 
          THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DYLAN WHEELER AND MIKE AND THE MOON PIES. 
          SO IN SOME CASES WE'VE GOT OPENERS AND FEATURE ARTISTS. 
          I JUST WANTED THOSE TWO DATES. 
          I SO APPRECIATE IT. 
          AND THEN WE GOT THE LAST ONE WILL BE CARSON, JEFFREY AND CODY, CANADA, AND THE DEPARTMENT. 
          ANYONE, ANYONE CROSS CANADIAN RAGWEED, ANYONE. 
          SO THE FIRST THREE ARE AT AUDUBON 7:00 PM. 
          THE FINAL THREE ARE AT WINNERS IN THE OLD AMPHITHEATER. 
          OH, MR. COMING BACK TO MR. . 
          OKAY. 
          TELL KENYA WE'RE USING. 
          HEY, EXCITED. 
          THEN THE SECOND THING WE'LL BE DOING IS, UM, WE WE'VE CALLED IT A BAND TOGETHER AROUND THE SQUARE, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE 20 WEEKLY SHOWS FOR MAY TO SEPTEMBER DOWNTOWN. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE, UM, EVERY, EVERY FRIDAY WE'RE TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE GETTING PEOPLE DOWNTOWN DURING CONSTRUCTION TO HELP SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES. 
          SO WE HAVE A L THESE ARE GONNA BE SMALLER BANDS. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE SINGER SONGWRITER, SINGER SINGLES, DUOS TRIOS. 
          SO THEY'LL PLAY AT 5 0 6 ART. 
          UH, WE'VE GOT, WE'RE WORKING OUT SOME POSSIBILITIES TO PUT INSIDE THE OLD MILL HOUSE PIZZA, BUILDING THAT, WORKING WITH THE OWNER THERE, AND THEN FINISH UP IN SEPTEMBER WITH BIGGER ACTS IN THE PLAZA THEATER, THEY'RE ALL FREE TO THE PUBLIC. 
          WE'LL FINISH UP AT THE PLAZA, THROW UP ON THE DOORS, CRANK SOME TUNES, INCENTIVIZE FOLKS TO GO GET BEER, BARBECUE, WINE, COFFEE, WHATEVER YOU WANT, BERLIN DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          AND THEY ARE, THEY ARE A PARTNER. 
          UH, OTHER BIG THING WE'RE DOING IS A WHOLE BUNCH OF NEW MOVIES, UM, AT THE PLAZA THEATER 20 SOMETHING. 
          AND SO THOSE, A LOT OF THOSE ARE SPONSORED BY GTBA. 
          WE'VE GOT SOME BUDGET FOR SOME, SO WE'RE DOING, WE ADDED CULT CLASSICS. 
          SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THINGS THAT ARE LIKE, NO, LIKE YOUR CULT CLASSICS WOULD BE THINGS LIKE, UM, DENISE OR SOMETHING KIND OF. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          REPO, MAN. 
          UM, AND THEN YOU GOT THE OLD, THEN WE HAVE, THEN WE HAVE CLASSIC CLASSICS YES, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE, THAT WE ALL REMEMBER ONE DECADE OR ANOTHER THAT WERE, THAT ARE COOL. 
          AND NOW THEY'RE CULT CLASSICS. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE THE OLD ORIGINAL CLASSICS WOULD BE LIKE THE RIGHT THINGS FROM FORTIES AND FIFTIES OR EVEN FURTHER BACK. 
          AND THEN YOU'VE GOT, I THINK WE'VE GOT THE ORIGINAL THREE, 10 TO YUMA THE OLD WESTERN OH WEST. 
          AND THEN THEY DID A NEW ANYWAY, I GET ALL EXCITED. 
          CAUSE IT'S SO MUCH NEW PROGRAMMING AND IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S GOING TO BE AMAZING. 
          COOL. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          THESE ARE GOING TO BE QUICK. 
          IT'S FOR YOU AND EACH ONE OF THESE, UH, ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND STUDIES. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UH, REPORT ON HOLLOWELL RECREATION CENTER. 
          UM, WHEN WOULD WE BE SEEING SOMETHING ON THAT? THAT'S THE FIRST PAGE, SECOND ONE DOWN, UM, CONCEPT PLAN WISE, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW DELAY, WE PROBABLY COULD DO THAT ANYTIME. 
          UM, ONE OF THE ISSUES WE'RE KIND OF IN A HOLDING PATTERN, WORKING WITH THE ADJACENCY OF THE LIBRARY. 
          SO THERE'S BEEN SOME BACK AND FORTH ABOUT DESIGN AND THEN THE ART PLAZA IN BETWEEN. 
          UM, BUT IF WE'RE GETTING PRETTY CLOSE TO SOMETHING THAT LOOKS FUN AND EXCITING, WE COULD DO THAT NEXT MONTH. 
          PROBABLY THAT'D BE GOOD. 
          CONCEPTUAL WISE. 
          GOOD. 
          HOW OFFERED REC CENTER? NOT QUITE AT CENTER, WE'VE SEEN A, THAT FIRST, FIRST RUN OF THAT, UM, THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AGO, FIVE MONTHS. 
          UH, HOW'S IT COMING ALONG ANOTHER EXCITING ONE. 
          IT IS. 
          IT'S INCREDIBLE. 
          UM, WE WILL BE, AND AGAIN, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO TUNE INTO THE, UM, COUNCIL MEETINGS. 
          I'LL WE WILL BE PRESENTING TO COUNCIL NEXT SESSION, WORK SESSION, SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING SOME PROJECTS WE'RE HAVING SOME BUDGET CHALLENGES WITH AND HOPE FOR IT IS ONE OF THEM. 
          SO THE MARKET IS WILD. 
          AND WHEN YOU HAVE A COMBINATION OF INFLATION, UM, UNCERTAINTY, AND I THINK THE OTHER THING IS, IS DEMAND IS OFF THE CHARTS. 
          WE HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT ON SMALLER PROJECTS, THEY JUST THEY'RE LIKE, I CAN'T, WE'RE NOT BIDDING IT. 
          WE ALREADY, WE HAVE TOO MUCH. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT WE HAVE SOME OPTIONS THAT COUNSEL WILL SEE. 
          UM, SO I'M GOING TO LET THEM SEE IT FIRST, BUT I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO BE THERE, TO TUNE IN, TO HEAR THE DETAIL, BUT TO FOLLOWING YEAH, WHATEVER THE NEXT WORK SESSION IS. 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER. 
          EIGHT, 10. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          AND THEY JUST HAD ONE THIS 
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WEEK. 
          UM, THE, UH, SURFACE SWIM, UM, THE REGIONAL AQUATICS FACILITY, I BELIEVE WE JUST, UH, WENT OUT FOR RF CUES AND THEY RE THE STAFF IS REVIEWING THE RFQ FOR THE DESIGN CONTRACT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          WE'RE JUST GETTING READY TO DO THE DESIGN. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          UH, JOHN PAUL JONES PARK, UH, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE AND SEEN THE, THE RV CENTER OUT THERE LATELY, YOU JUST DROVE PAST TODAY AND THEY ARE GETTING REALLY, REALLY CLOSE TO THE END. 
          AND WE HAD, WE HAD THE AREA DOWN NEAR, UH, THE BRIDGE WHERE WE, WHERE WE STOPPED CLEANING. 
          AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IF WE HAD TIME TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT BECAUSE THE REST OF JOHN PAUL JONES, LOOKING DOWN OVER THE OVERPASS, LOOKING ALL THE WAY DOWN THAT AROUND THE POINT UP THERE, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S AS GOOD AS IT'S EVER BEEN. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, LET'S SEE. 
          I'M GOING TO SEE HER, THE SKATE PARK. 
          UH IT'S IT'S IT'S GETTING A LOT OF USE, UH, WHEN DID Y'ALL OPEN IT? SKATE PARK IS NOT OPEN. 
          I'M SORRY, BUT THERE'S QUITE A FEW YOUNG PEOPLE WOULD MISS THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND MANY OF THEM HAVE RECEIVED TICKETS FOR THAT. 
          OH, BOOM. 
          REALLY TRESPASSING ON A CLOSED CONSTRUCTION SITE. 
          OH MY GOSH. 
          I HOPE NOT. 
          JEEZ. 
          ANYWAY, ONLY THE UNCOOPERATIVE CUSTOMERS THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS VERY GOOD AT, UH, WORKING WITH THEM AND IF THEY ARE WILLING TO BE WORKED WITH EVERYTHING WORKS OUT, BUT SOMETIMES SOME OF THEM GET THAT'S FANTASTIC. 
          AUDUBON PARK, PICNIC CARRIER REPAVING, UH, THAT IS THAT'S PART. 
          THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF SURFING, SWIM, BE PART OF IT. 
          IT'S ALL LUMPED TOGETHER. 
          UM, ADDITIONAL FUNDING WAS IDENTIFIED THAT CAUSE OTHERWISE IT HADN'T, IT DIDN'T HAVE ADEQUATE FUNDING, BUT THE TIMING MAKES SENSE TO BUILD THAT WITH SURF AND SWIM BECAUSE IT'S ALL ONE DISTURBED AREA. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          AND, UM, YEAH, I WAS TALKING TO ARNIE, UH, BURKE DOWN THERE A COUPLE OF WEEKENDS AGO AND THEY GOT 18 TOURNAMENTS SCHEDULED FOR THE COMPLEX, UH, THE SUMMER, WHICH, WHICH THAT'S GOOD, BETTER THAN THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS. 
          WE'VE GOTTEN THINGS CLEANED UP IN THE, THE PARKING LOT MAKES A PHENOMENAL FIRST FIRST THING. 
          I'M SO PROUD OF HIM FOR DOING THAT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ON THAT NOTE, WE ARE, UM, WORKING ON BIDDING OUT NEW SIGNAGE FOR THE OATS FACING, OH, IT'S OUT OF THE MASTER PLAN, THE NICE LOOKING STUFF, CONNECTING, CONNECTING IT'S THAT IT'S NOT THE WHOLE PARK PLAN. 
          I DON'T HAVE MONEY FOR THAT, BUT IT'S GOT TO START SOMEWHERE. 
          SO IT'S THE NEW MARKETING APPROPRIATE. 
          WE'RE REPLACING ALL THE OATS FACING SIGNS, INCLUDING THE RIDGE, THE BIG MARQUEE, THE TALL SIGN AT THE SOFTBALL ENTRANCE. 
          AND THEN THE SECONDARY ENTRANCE IS GOING SOUTH. 
          SO THOSE WILL, THOSE WILL LOOK GREAT. 
          UH, A COMMENT ABOUT THAT THEN. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          UH, THAT MEAN THAT'S PHENOMENAL. 
          THAT'S BETTER THAN THAT. 
          IT WASN'T A BIGGER WORD THAN THAT ONE. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE WORKING ON, WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT THOSE MIGHT BE COMING INTO PLAY? WE'LL SEE WHAT THE BIDS LOOK LIKE. 
          WE'RE HAVING SOME THE LEAD TIME FOR THE GRANGER MARQUIS LEAD WITH THAT IN THE, FOR THE HOLIDAYS. 
          AND WE'RE SCHEDULED FOR MAY, UH, WHILE THESE ARE IN END OF YEAR, END OF YEAR AT BEST BE READY FOR THE NEXT YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS THAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE DOING THESE VERY INTERESTING THINGS WITH THE, WITH THESE RECREATION CENTERS. 
          AND I WAS WONDERING IF, IF WE COULDN'T DO SOMETHING THAT WAS A, SOMETHING TO INVITE PEOPLE IN, YOU KNOW, I'M BIG ABOUT INVITING PEOPLE, YOU DON'T EVER GET A CHANCE. 
          YOU DON'T GET THEM FRONT DOOR AND, AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT FANCY SIGNS, BIG SIGNS, BUT SOME KIND OF A STANDARDIZED SIGN LOOK WHAT WE'VE DONE OR WELCOME. 
          WELCOME, WELCOME TO OUR NEW, UH, FACILITY THAT WAS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE CITIZENS OF GARLAND IN 2019 BOND ELECTION. 
          AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE PROUD OF IT, COME SEE IT AND COME USE SOMETHING ALONG THAT. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT A PERMANENT SIGN, REALLY GOOD POINT. 
          I WANT TO TRY TO TRAVEL DEAL THIS WEEKEND THAT HAD A CEDAR HILL THERE, PLANO PLANO IN THEIR FIELD WAS MENTIONING, YOU KNOW, THE RODEO AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I MEAN, I'M SURE THAT CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, COMMERCE'S SOME OF THAT DEVELOPING AND MARKETING, UH, THE CONVENTION AND BUREAU, THE VISITORS BUREAU, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SOME JOINT VENTURE, SOME JOINT VENTURE. 
          THANKS THERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, LIKE IT, LIKE AT AUTOBON, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE, WE'RE NOT USING EVERYTHING AND, AND ARNIE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TELLING HIM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I NEVER HEARD ANYBODY IN 20 YEARS OF PLAYING SOFTBALL DOWN THERE. 
          I MENTIONED GOING OVER TO THE REC CENTER, GOING OVER TO THE SURFACE SWIM. 
          THEY WERE JUST OVER THERE AND WE'RE MISSING THEM. 
          THEY GET THE YOUNG FOLKS COMING IN THERE THAT THE MOTHERS OR THE FATHERS AND THE KIDS COULD ALL GO USE THOSE THINGS. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THAT, THAT WAS A PIECE OF THAT. 
          AND, UM, LET'S SEE, UM, DUCK CREEK, SOUTH EXTENSION TRAIL, UM, THE ENDING AT AVALON PARK, UH, CONNECT BARNS, BRIDGE ROAD, SUNNYVALE BORDER, UM, TRAILS. 
          WHERE, WHERE ARE WE 
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ON THE TRAILS? MOST OF THOSE ARE IN THE PROCESS WITH DALLAS COUNTY AND THEY'RE AT VARIOUS STAGES. 
          I DON'T HAVE THAT COMMITTED TO MEMORY SINCE A LOT OF THOSE ARE, THEY ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE FUNDING. 
          UM, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN VARIOUS STAGES OF, OF DESIGN OR APPROVAL. 
          UM, THE ONE THAT JUST GOT COMPLETED AS THE FAR SOUTH ONE THAT CONNECTS TO THE MGR MUSKY, THAT'S THE MOST RECENT ONE. 
          SO A LOT OF THOSE ARE HAVEN'T QUITE MADE IT TO DESIGN PHASE YET. 
          WELL, I FOUND OUT ABOUT BOB DOWN ROAD IN BARNS BRIDGE WAS ACTUALLY WHERE THE BEGINNINGS OF GARLAND STARTED. 
          THE M THE EMORY, UH, UM, POST OFFICE WAS OWN BARNS BRIDGE JUST EAST OF BOB TOWN. 
          AND THEY MOVED IT TO GARLAND TO MAKE THEM BEGINS. 
          AND BEGINNINGS OF GARLAND. 
          I FOUND THAT OUT FROM ONE OF THE OLDER TIMERS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          I GUESS THE VERY LAST THING, I'VE JUST GOT TO SAY ONE THING. 
          THIS IS THE MOST FANTASTIC MEETING WE'VE EVER HAD SO MUCH PARTICIPATION PARTICIPATION. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR IS TO HELP THEM SEE THINGS FROM THE CITIZENS SIZE. 
          AND, AND BOY, IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY, IT WAS FANTASTIC. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB OF NOT SHUTTING US UP. 
          OH, WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          THIS ONE, ANDY HAD, WE THOUGHT ABOUT USING GOATS TO CLEAR OUT UNDERBRUSH AND THINGS LIKE THAT, NATIVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT THAT THEY GOT IN SPRING CREEK FOREST EVERY NOW AND THEN. 
          OOH, WELL NOW THERE'S PEOPLE THAT HAVE GOATS THAT WILL COME IN AND CLEAR OUT OF AN IVY AND EVERYTHING. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          THERE, THERE IS A GROUP OF COMPANY OR SOMETHING THAT DOES THAT. 
          IT'S PUT A SHOCK FENCE AROUND IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          ME AND MAX, HOW MANY IS GONE? IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY INEXPENSIVE. 
          AND IT GOES THROUGH GOOD A BIT. 
          THE OTHER THING, THERE'S A NEW PICNIC AREA THERE I'M SHALLOW AND CAMPBELL BY THE POND THAT, UH, BUILDS UP WHEN THE SPRING CREEK OVERFLOWS FRED HARRIS SECTION. 
          YES. 
          VERY NICE. 
          YEAH. 
          W AND, UH, AND THAT PLAYGROUND TOO WILL BE REPLACED HERE TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR, BOTH LOCATED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND OUR MODERN CREEK AND THE STREETS. 
          BECAUSE EVERY TIME I DRIVE IT DOWN THERE, I USED TO KNOW WHERE THE STREET WENT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT CAN BE TRICKY. 
          YOU'RE DOING A WONDERFUL JOB OF REALLY FIXING UP, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          OH, IT'S THERE. 
          IT WAS GETTING REALLY BAD. 
          IT WAS JUST A POINT AT THAT. 
          IF ANYBODY WANTS TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN SPRING CREEK, ALL THAT, THE BACK APPENDIX OF ALL THIS, IT WAS A VERY THOROUGH PRESENTATION ON SOMEONE'S PART. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I WORKED PRETTY HARD ON IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? THE CLOSING OF THE PARK HELP THE, WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY CLOSED IT, BUT WE HAVE GOT SOME ADDITIONAL ENFORCEMENT OF ACTIVITIES THAT WE THINK. 
          SO THERE, I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S BEEN A PD HAS DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB AND THEY HAVE DONE A VERY MEASURABLE WORK. 
          AND INSTEAD YOU CAN PUT A BUNCH NOW THAT HASN'T HAPPENED YET, BECAUSE IT HADN'T BEEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL, BUT IT'S IN WELL, THE HOURS AND ALL THAT, THAT YOU GUYS ALREADY RECOMMENDED TO COUNCIL WHERE IT IS NOW IS IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          UM, SO YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THERE'S, THERE'S A SECURITY CAMERAS. 
          YES. 
          AND THE ONE POINT NOW, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THE ISSUE IS IF YOU CRACK DOWN ON ONE PLACE, YEAH. 
          THREE OR FOUR OTHER PLACES ALONG THERE, HOMELESS CAMPS, IT IS. 
          AND IT'S, IT'LL SEND THEM BACK TO CENTRAL PARK, BUT IS IT AS BUSY AS PD IS? I CAN TELL YOU I'M EXTREMELY HAPPY AND VERY IMPRESSED. 
          THEY'VE ALSO BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL AT THE SKATE PARK. 
          THEY, THEY PUT CAMERAS UP THERE. 
          UM, LIEUTENANT JANET ST. 
          CLAIRE. 
          YES. 
          CAPTAIN, LIEUTENANT ST. 
          CLAIRE DAN'S BROTHER. 
          SUPER HELPFUL. 
          THEY, THEY THEY'VE BEEN, THOSE GUYS ARE ROCK STARS. 
          I CAN'T SPEAK HIGHLY ENOUGH OF THEM. 
          SO. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY'RE USUALLY ON SATURDAY EVENING, SUNDAY. 
          YES. 
          YEP. 
          AND WE DO OUR BEST THERE. 
          THERE'S A, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN DO, WE DO OUR BEST TO, BUT IT'S, IF WE DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE, THEN IT, IT MAKES IT WHERE WE'RE THE LESS ON THE HOOK FOR LIABILITY PURPOSES. 
          SAME THING FOR THE DEVELOPER SKATE PARK ITSELF HAS DONE THAT PHASE. 
          ONE OF THE NORTH SIDE OF RECODE AND IS PROBABLY THIS SUMMER. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND PHASE BELOW THE TENNIS COURT JUST, JUST WENT TO BED A WHILE BACK. 
          AND IT'S GOING TO COUNCIL, I BELIEVE NEXT MONTH OR IN THIS PART BEFORE THOSE TWO, ALL THE PAGES HAVE TO BE EVERYTHING TO THE NORTH OF THIS HAS TO BE DONE. 
          PHASE ONE, I THINK HAS TO BE DONE BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION SITE LITERALLY TO THE LAST MINUTE BEFORE SOD, SOD, SODDEN 
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IRRIGATION ARE THE LAST THING TO GO. 
          AND THAT GOES RIGHT UP AGAINST THE, THE EDGE OF THE, OF THE SKATE PARK. 
          AND WE'VE LOOKED AT SO MANY WAYS, UM, TO DO THAT. 
          AND IT'S JUST NOT SAFE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S 9 0 2. 
          I CAN CONCLUDE THIS MEETING.
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