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ALL RIGHT.

HELLO

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AND WELCOME TO

[Development Services Committee on April 18, 2022.]

THE APRIL 18TH, 2022 MEETING OF THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE.

I'M DYLAN HEDRICK, YOUR CHAIRMAN ALSO WITH ME, I HAVE COUNSEL ANY MORRISON COUNCILMAN BASS.

UH, FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 21ST, 2022 MEETING MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BASS.

SECOND BY COUNCIL ANYMORE ON FAVOR.

AYE.

ALL RIGHT.

THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED FROM OUR LAST MEETING.

UH, FIRST ITEM FOR ACTION OR FIRST ITEM FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.

OUR AGENDA IS URBAN STYLE MULTI-FAMILY STANDARDS.

AND MR. GARREN, WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION LAST TIME.

I BELIEVE YOU HAVE AN UPDATE FOR US, SIR.

MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU, MICROPHONE THIS WAY.

UH, YES SIR.

SO HAD SOME, UH, KIND OF STRUCTURING PROPOSALS ON HOW WE COULD APPROACH THIS.

UM, I BELIEVE WE LEFT OFF LAST TIME.

WE LOOKED AT, UM, A FEW OTHER CITIES ORDINANCES, BUT, UH, THE CITY OF SALINAS WAS PRETTY INTERESTING AND THAT THEY KIND OF BROKE DOWN DIFFERENT MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS, UM, BASED ON THE, UM, ESSENTIALLY THE URBAN STYLE OR GARDEN STYLE AND KIND OF STAIR-STEPPING THE DENSITY AND HEIGHT LEVELS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.

SO WE'VE GOT PROPOSED AS SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR, UM, WITHOUT KIND OF REINVENTING THE WHEEL TOO MUCH.

IT MAY JUST BE A MATTER OF MAKING SOME TWEAKS.

SO, UM, KIND OF JUST JUMP RIGHT INTO IT.

SO WHAT WE COULD DO IS, UM, WE KIND OF START WITH AN ENOUGH ONE SIMILAR TO, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT THEY HAVE.

THIS IS A SHELTER, ESSENTIALLY GARDEN STYLE, UM, MULTI-FAMILY, WHICH IS KIND OF WHERE THEY START AT THE NF ONE LEVEL.

SO WHAT WE COULD DO IS, UM, LEAVE THE NF ONE THAT CAN ESSENTIALLY BE THE CURRENT MF DISTRICT STANDARDS, WHICH AGAIN ARE, IT'S A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT TO 18 UNITS PER ACRE, MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF 40 FEET.

UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UM, WE DID DISCUSS REMOVING THE, UM, KIND OF ANGLED BUILDING REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS, UM, SOMETHING, UM, FEW DEVELOPERS CAN ADHERE TO.

AND WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THE INTENT WAS THERE.

UM, BUT WITH EXCEPTION TO THAT, PERHAPS THE MF ONE COULD ESSENTIALLY BE THE CURRENT ENOUGH STANDARDS THAT ALSO WOULD NOT PUT ANY EXISTING APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT WERE BUILT UNDER THE ENOUGH DISTRICT OUT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, LEGAL COMPLIANCE THEY'D STAY LEGAL AND CONFORMING.

UM, BUT THEN THE MF TWO IS SOMETHING WE COULD CREATE, UM, AGAIN, WITHOUT REALLY REINVENTING THE WHEEL MUCH AND KIND OF KEEP THE NF OR IN THIS CASE, MF ONE STANDARDS.

BUT WITH SOME TWEAKS THAT ATTEMPT TO CAPTURE SOME OF THE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPER DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE HAVE SEEN COME THROUGH THE PROCESS AND GET APPROVED WITH THOSE, ESPECIALLY THOSE TWO MOST COMMON DEVIATIONS, WHICH ARE DENSITY AND BUILDING HEIGHT.

UM, SO THIS IS KIND OF TRYING TO CAPTURE THAT SWEET SPOT AND I'LL, I'LL KIND OF IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES, GO INTO SOME THOUGHTS ON WHAT THOSE AMENDMENTS COULD BE AND THEN URBAN RESIDENTIAL.

UM, PERHAPS THAT COULD KIND OF BE THE NF THREE, BUT WE, AS A REMINDER, WE DO ALREADY HAVE AN URBAN RESIDENTIAL, UM, ZONING CATEGORIES, SIMILAR TO SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES LIKE ALLEN AND I THINK, UM, CELINA.

UM, BUT WE DID LOOK AT THAT AT THE LAST MEETING AND PERHAPS SOME TWEAKS COULD BE MADE THERE, ESPECIALLY THE, UM, THE ACTUAL REQUIREMENT FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL, UM, AND MIXED USES INSTEAD OF MAKING THAT A HARD REQUIREMENT AND MAKE IT OPTIONAL AND JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE GROUND FLOOR, UH, THERE, IT MUST BE RETAIL READY, BUT NOT NECESSARILY REQUIRE A, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN RATIO OR AMOUNT OF NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THAT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IF, UM, IF THE MARKET IS THERE AND IF THE DEVELOPER IS ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT.

SO AGAIN, WE'LL KIND OF JUMP INTO THAT A LITTLE MORE, BUT, UM, AND ACTUALLY BEFORE WE GOT INTO THAT, AND I KNOW JUDD'S NOT IN THE REAL HILL, HE'LL BE DOWN IN A FEW MINUTES, BUT, UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING REAL SPECIFIC TO PROPOSE AT THIS TIME.

WE DID DISCUSS KIND OF THE HORIZONTAL MULTI-FAMILY OR SINGLE-FAMILY RENTALS.

UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT WANT TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT AND RESEARCH.

WE DO HAVE TWO, UH, DEVELOPMENTS IN THE PROCESS NOW, UM, JED AND I WERE KIND OF THINKING MAYBE WE LET THESE KIND OF FOLLOW THROUGH THE PROCESS, KIND OF SEE IF THOSE ARE APPROVED AS PRESENTED.

WHAT WERE THE DIFFERENCES IN STANDARDS BETWEEN THE TWO OR DID WE SEE SOME COMMONALITIES? UM, ALSO SO FAR I HAVE NOT ACTUALLY FOUND A CITY THAT HAS, UM, CREATED A SPECIFIC LAND USE OR LAND USE CATEGORY OR ZONING DISTRICT SPECIFIC TO THIS DEVELOPMENT TYPE, UM, HAS ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH FRISCO THE OTHER DAY AND THEY THEY'RE KIND OF HANDLING IT THE SAME WAY WE ARE AS THAT IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE PD PROCESS AND THEY'LL REVIEW IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

UM, THEY HAD SOME INTERESTING, UM, THOUGHTS AND KIND OF SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, ALLOWING IT JUST BY, RIGHT.

AND, AND OF SOUNDS LIKE THEY PREFER TO KIND OF KEEP IT, YOU KNOW, ON A CASE, BY CASE THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING.

SO WE'LL JUDD AND I TALKED AND WE'RE HAPPY TO KIND OF BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE AND HE CAN CERTAINLY CHIME IN IN A FEW MINUTES.

UM, IF WE WOULD'VE DISCUSSED THIS A LITTLE MORE, BUT DON'T HAVE ANY, REALLY ANYTHING TO PROPOSE AT THIS TIME, BUT AT LEAST ONE TO RESPOND THAT, UM, UH, TO THAT.

BUT, UM, BUT JUST TO KIND OF JUMP, JUMP A LITTLE MORE IN A, AGAIN IN F1, THE THOUGHT THERE IS WE COULD KEEP THE CURRENT ENOUGH DISTRICT SIMILAR TO SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES.

THIS IS ESSENTIALLY GARDEN

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STYLE.

UM, BUT AGAIN, JUST KIND OF REMOVE THAT ANGLED BUILDING ORIENTATION REQUIREMENT.

UM, , UH, THERE'S A PICTURE, UM, OF AN EXAMPLE OF .

THIS IS THE, UM, PALLADIUM MULTIFAMILY DOWN NEAR THAT ACTUALLY DID FOLLOW ALL THE MULTI-FAMILY STANDARDS IN THE GDC.

AND, UH, WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS JUST ADMINISTRATIVELY.

IT WAS ALREADY ZONED FOR MULTI-FAMILY, UH, IN THE FIRST PLACE.

UM, UM, SO THIS WOULD ESSENTIALLY KEEP ALL THE CURRENT MULTIFAMILY STANDARDS, WHICH INTERESTINGLY, UM, DEVELOPERS ARE ABLE TO, UM, ADHERE TO EVEN WHEN GOING THROUGH THE PD PROCESS, BUT THE TWO MOST COMMON DEVIATION REQUESTS ARE DENSITY BUILDING HEIGHT, AND I THREW OUT SOME NUMBERS HERE, BUT THESE ARE ACTUALLY BASED ON THE AVERAGES THAT WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF MEETINGS BACK.

WE LOOKED AT THAT SPREADSHEET, WHICH I HAVE AVAILABLE IF I NEED TO PULL THAT UP.

BUT THE MAXIMUM DENSITY, THE CALCULATION WAS ABOUT LIKE 1 31 POINT SOMETHING 31.6 UNITS PER ACRE WAS THE AVERAGE SORT OF URBAN STYLE, UM, OF DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.

AND THEN THE AVERAGE BUILDING HEIGHT WAS JUST UNDER 50 IS ABOUT 48, 49 FEET.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I GOT THESE NUMBERS.

IF, UM, OF HAVING MAYBE THE STANDARD FOR MF TO MAXIMUM DENSITY, IT COULD BE SOMEWHERE AROUND 30, 30, 2 UNITS PER ACRE AND MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT COULD BE, UH, SOMEWHERE AROUND 50 FEET.

SO JUST SOME THOUGHTS AND POSSIBLE PROPOSALS THERE THAT BASED ON THE AVERAGES AND JUST A COUPLE OF PICTURES, THAT'S THE LIVELY AT FIRE REAL USED TO BE CALLED FIRE LOSS.

UM, BUT THAT WAS APPROVED.

THAT'S A LITTLE FURTHER UNDER CONSTRUCTION SINCE THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN, BUT, UM, AND THAT'S A RENDERING A BELIEVE OF, UH, ALTA FIRE WHEEL, WHICH IS JUST NEXT DOOR.

SO THESE ARE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES THAT, UM, WENT THROUGH THE PD PROCESS, BUT, UH, DEVIATED FROM BUILDING HEIGHT AND, UM, DENSITY.

AND AGAIN, URBAN RESIDENTIAL, PERHAPS WE KEEP THAT INTACT AS AN AVAILABLE ZONING DISTRICT, BUT, UM, BUT ONE REQUIREMENT THAT'S KIND OF SCARED OFF SOME DEVELOPERS AND, AND IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING ANYWAY, UH, WHICH IS THE REQUIREMENT OF, UM, OF MIXED USE AND NON-RESIDENTIAL USE.

SO PERHAPS WE JUST REMOVE THAT 70, 30 RATIO AND JUST HAVE IT WHERE A GROUND FLOOR HEIGHT, UM, RETAIL ACCOMMODATION IS REQUIRED, BUT, UM, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE USE IS DICTATED, BUT WE WOULD CLARIFY THAT NON-RESIDENTIAL USE SUCH AS RETAIL OFFICE, UM, THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT.

AND JUST SOME EXAMPLES, THESE AREN'T THESE OF COURSE DIDN'T NECESSARILY FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THE T AND URBAN RESIDENTIAL.

THIS IS OF COURSE DOWNTOWN, BUT THERE'S JUST SOME GENERAL EXAMPLES OF THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT URBAN RESIDENTIAL AIMS TO ACHIEVE.

SO, UM, DOWNTOWN OF COURSE THAT'S WHERE PAINTING WITH A TWIST IS, UM, WHEN YOU CALCULATE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS, IT'S, UM, SOMETHING UPWARDS OF 60 OR 70 UNITS PER ACRE.

SO, UM, AND THEN THE FIRE WHEEL APARTMENTS COME ON THE NORTH SIDE OF, UM, OF THE FIREWALL TOWN CENTER, UH, SIMILAR SITUATION THERE.

SO THAT'S JUST, THESE ARE JUST SOME GENERAL CONCEPTS OF WHAT THAT DISTRICT ATTEMPTS TO ACHIEVE.

UM, ONE, ONE QUESTION, UH, THAT I THINK STAFF WOULD LIKE A LITTLE DIRECTION FROM THE COMMITTEE IS, UM, IF WE GO IN THIS DIRECTION OF KIND OF CREATING THESE DISTRICTS, WOULD WE, ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH, UM, JUST CREATING THESE IN THE GDC AND POTENTIALLY A DEVELOPER COULD REQUEST A REZONING TO SAY NF TWO OR URBAN RESIDENTIAL OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

UM, AND THEN IF IT'S APPROVED, YOU KNOW, AS A STRAIGHT ZONING, THEY CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS ADMINISTRATIVELY, OR IS THE COMMITTEE, UM, LOOKING TO REQUIRE A PD, EVEN IF THE STANDARDS ARE, UM, ADOPTED IN THE CODE, UM, PD WITH THE DETAILED PLAN.

SO JUST WANTED A LITTLE DIRECTION.

I KNOW SOMETIMES THE EXPECTATION IS THAT MULTI-DAY NEW MULTI-FAMILY ZONING IS KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE DETAILS, WHICH USUALLY ENDS UP BEING THE CASE ANYWAY, CAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING THEY'RE NEEDING TO DEVIATE FROM, BUT, UM, PROBABLY A LITTLE CLARIFICATION FROM THE COMMITTEE WOULD BE GOOD THERE.

UM, BUT OTHERWISE MR. CHAIRMAN I'LL, UM, KIND OF STOP THERE.

ALL RIGHT.

OPEN UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS, THE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE.

UM, WELL, HOW MANY IN GENERAL, I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT HOW MANY IN GENERAL OF OUR, UM, MULTI-FAMILY ZONING REQUESTS, UM, GO THROUGH, YOU MENTIONED PALLADIUM WENT THROUGH WITHOUT NEEDING A PD BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY ZONED FOR THAT.

AND THEY JUST WENT BY THE GDC, UM, OUT OF ALL OF THE ONES THAT COME THROUGH, WHAT GENERAL PERCENTAGE WOULD YOU SAY CONCUR WITH ALL GDC REQUIREMENTS? AND WE HAVEN'T REQUIRED A PD FROM THEM, VERY RARE.

UM, CAUSE IT, AND INEVITABLY I THINK, ESPECIALLY WITH, YOU KNOW, DENSITY AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS, THEY, UH, PD IS INEVITABLY TRIGGERED.

SO IT'S VERY RARE.

PLAYDIUM MAY VERY WELL HAVE BEEN THE LAST ONE THAT ACTUALLY WAS APPROVED AND WENT THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS.

WE DID HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER STRAIGHT ZONING REQUESTS,

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ONE WAS DENIED.

UM, SO IT NEVER EVEN GOT TO THE POINT OF US REVIEWING ALL THE DETAILS.

AND THEN, UM, ANOTHER ONE, UM, I'LL GO AND SAY THE RESERVE AT SHILOH THAT WAS, WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF STRAIGHT ZONING.

AND THEN AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL, IT WAS RESUBMITTED AT A PD WITH A DETAILED PLAN, WHICH ENDED UP BEING, UM, APPROPRIATE BECAUSE I THINK, UM, WELL I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK, BUT I SEEM TO REMEMBER THERE BEING SOMETHING, UH, ONE OR TWO DEVIATIONS MAY NOT HAVE BEEN DENSITY, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS SOMETHING I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK, BUT, UM, BUT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UM, STRAIGHT DURING THE REQUESTS THAT ACTUALLY FOLLOW ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO PERMITTING, MEETING EVERYTHING IN GDC IS VERY RARE.

THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED.

SO, UM, IF WE WERE TO DO THIS AND TO S TO REQUIRE THAT ALL MULTI-FAMILY ZONING REQUESTS BE ACCOMPANIED BY A PD AND DETAILED PLAN, UM, HOW BIG OF A BURDEN IS THAT TO FINANCIALLY AND TIME-WISE TO DEVELOPERS? WELL, RIGHT.

IT WOULDN'T REALLY BE CHANGING KIND OF THE PROCESS THAT, THAT MOST OF THEM HAD BEEN FOLLOWING ANYWAY.

UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, A QUESTION THEY MAY HAVE IS JUST KIND OF, IF, UM, IF THEY'RE FOLLOWING ALL THE STANDARDS, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY, THEY WOULD PROBABLY ASK STAFF, WELL, WHAT'S, WHAT DO WE, WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR? AND WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE REALLY LOOKING AT? THAT SORT OF THING.

AND, AND THOSE TYPES OF REQUESTS, AREN'T UNUSUAL.

WE HAVE, I THINK THERE'S ONE ON THE AGENDA TOMORROW NIGHT WHERE IT'S ALREADY, THE USE IS ALLOWED.

IT MEETS EVERYTHING IN THE PD AND GDC, BUT THE PD DOES REQUIRE A DETAILED PLAN FOR THE HEARING PROCESS.

SO SOMETIMES THOSE DO COME THROUGH.

IT'S NOT, UM, TERRIBLY UNUSUAL, BUT, UM, THAT, THAT MAY BE JUST SOMETHING THEY WOULD, UM, UM, MAYBE SEE AS A RISK, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALLOWED, BUT IS THERE ANY RISKS THAT COUNCIL MAY NOT LIKE IT AND NOT GET DENIED? AND, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE, UH, YOU KNOW, FIVE MONTH PROCESS OR SO KIND OF GOING THROUGH THAT DETAIL PLAN PROCESS.

SO IS THERE AN ADVANTAGE TO US IN SOME WAY TO MAKE THIS A REQUIREMENT VERSUS THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT NOW? I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK, UM, I THINK WE JUST WANT A LITTLE DIRECTION.

I THINK WE'VE KINDA GOTTEN, UM, MAYBE SOME UNWRITTEN OR IF THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD, BUT, UM, THE THOUGHT IS THAT, YEAH, THE EXPECTATION IS GOING TO BE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO REQUEST A MULTI-FAMILY, WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO SEE THE DETAILS, YOU KNOW, IN THE PROCESS.

CAUSE IT'S, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF UNKNOWNS, BUT, UM, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A, UM, CONCERN.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR, YOU KNOW, TRUSTING THE CODE AND, AND OF COURSE WE ADMINISTER WHAT'S, UM, WHAT'S IN THERE AND IF THEY'RE WILLING TO MEET THE CODE, UM, DO WE JUST GO AHEAD AND, YOU KNOW, REZONE IT AND LET THEM FOLLOW THROUGH.

SO, UM, AGAIN, WHAT'S REALLY BEEN TRIGGERING THE PDS AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF CASES AND, AND MULTIFAMILY IS JUST THE FACT THAT THEY WANT THAT MORE DENSITY AND BUILDING HEIGHT OTHERWISE.

UM, I KNOW THERE'S A FEW OF THEM THAT HAVE REQUESTED CARPORT SETBACK, DEVIATIONS, AND A FEW OTHER THINGS, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S REALLY THOSE TWO THINGS THAT HAVE NATURALLY.

OKAY.

UM, ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU ABOUT THAT.

AND, AND I, I THINK I WOULD NOT BE INCLINED FOR US JUST TO, UM, ADD ON A REQUIREMENT WITHOUT HAVING A REALLY GOOD REASON AND JUSTIFICATION FOR IT.

UM, THAT, JUST ANYTHING THAT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT, DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE TO ME.

ANOTHER QUESTION, WHEN YOU LOOKED AT BACK TO SINGLE FAMILY, UM, RENTALS, THE HORIZONTAL, UM, MULTIFAMILY, DID YOU, DID YOU CHECK DENTON BECAUSE I KNOW THEY, UH, RECENTLY OR LAST YEAR APPROVED, I THINK ONE OF THE URBANA DEVELOPMENTS AND I VAGUELY REMEMBER HEARING THE DEVELOPERS SAY THAT THEY HAD ACTUALLY GONE THROUGH A, A PROCESS TO MAKE THEIR, UM, MAKE THEIR RULES FIT.

UM, SO I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IF YOU DIDN'T LOOK AT THEM, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, IN HEARING FROM THE CITY AND SEEING THEY WALKED THIS PROCESS BEFORE US.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THEY FOUND AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS SINCE JED ISN'T HERE, BUT SINCE I'M WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE SAME DEVELOPER, UM, OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS ARE, ARE CAUSING GRIEF ON A NUMBER OF LEVELS.

UM, PARTLY BECAUSE THESE ARE, THESE ARE MORE LIKE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, A COMMUNITY OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

SO A LOT OF OUR MULTI-FAMILY, UM, REQUIREMENTS ABOUT ARTICULATION AND DIFFERENT FACADES AND ALL THIS STUFF WITH, UH, UH, UM, PD, IT DOESN'T FIT THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE LITTLE INDIVIDUAL HOMES.

SO I AM STILL INCLINED TO SAY, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE US DRILL DOWN AND SEE WHAT, IF ANYTHING, WE CAN FIND TO MAKE THIS A MORE ORGANIC, NATURAL PROCESS, BECAUSE THIS IS A WAVE OF, UM, TOWNHOME LOOKING MULTI-FAMILIES.

UM,

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I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE OF THAT.

AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE IT BE LESS AWKWARD THAN IT'S BEEN, UH, AT LEAST WITH THE ONE IN MY DISTRICT STILL ONGOING.

SO, UM, ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU.

I ACTUALLY FIRST I, TO CONCUR WITH EVERYTHING THAT COUNCIL LADY MOORE SAID, UM, AND YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT ONE COMING UP RIGHT NOW.

IT'S GOING TO BE THE HORIZONTAL MULTIFAMILY.

AND YEAH, THE CRAZIEST THING IS THEY'RE REQUIRING, YOU KNOW, FIVE DIFFERENT MATERIALS ON THE FACADE AND ALL THAT.

UM, SO YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US HAVE SOMETHING TO SET TO SET THAT ONE APART BECAUSE THAT IS, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT, UH, COMPROMISE TOO, RIGHT? WHEN DEVELOPERS ARE COMING IN, UM, A COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY AS THIS PRODUCT.

AND IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE EASIER TO GET PEOPLE ON BOARD WITH.

UM, SO I DEFINITELY, I DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE THE PROCESS AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS I WANT, YOU KNOW, I WANT US TO BE AS BUSINESS FRIENDLY AS WE CAN AND NOT HAVE THINGS UNNECESSARILY COME BEFORE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE DETAILED, UH, YOU KNOW, EVERY DETAIL PLAN AND PD COMING THROUGH, I D I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE WRITE IN THE GDC, RIGHT.

IS SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE A, HAVE A GUIDELINE TO FOLLOW WHEN WE DON'T NEED TO MICROMANAGE EVERY SINGLE THING ON THAT.

SO, UM, JUST, JUST MY 2 CENTS.

AWESOME.

THANK YOU, DYLAN.

YEAH, I THINK GET THREE.

I THINK WE'RE ALL INGREDIENTS YOU TRUST THE CODE.

WE HAVE IT WELL-WRITTEN UNLESS LET'S KEEP THAT.

SO WE DON'T REQUIRE A DETAILED PLAN OR A P PINE DEVELOPMENT FOR, AND, UM, YEAH, AS FAR, I'M FINE WITH WAITING ON THIS UNTIL WE GET A LITTLE MORE ON LOOKING UP NOW, PHOENIX APPARENTLY HAS TO HAVE SOME CODE AROUND HORIZONTAL MULTI-FAMILY MIGHT BE SOMETHING I'M LOOKING INTO THERE.

OKAY.

BUT AS FAR AS THE, UH, THE THREE OTHER ONES, I'M FINE WITH THE REGULATIONS.

WE SIT THERE, THE DENSITY AND THE HEIGHT.

IF YOU GO BACK TO THE, UH, URBAN RESIDENTIAL SLIDE, ONE MORE TIME.

I, UM, THERE WE GO.

OKAY.

SO WE'RE KEEPING THE REQUIREMENT FROM MINIMUM GROUND FLOOR.

THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD TO WE'LL SEE THAT.

AND I WANT TO MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT BECAUSE IN OUR ROSE HILL DEVELOPMENT, OUR OPPORTUNITY THAT WE PUT OUT, WE DID, EVEN IN THAT REQUEST THAT THE GROUND FLOOR HAVE, OR BE ACCOMMODATING OF THE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES.

SO WE ALREADY HAVE THAT IN OUR MATERIAL THAT WE'RE PUTTING OUT FOR OUR FUTURE DEVELOPERS.

SO I'M FINE WITH KEEPING IT THERE AS WELL, BUT NOT THE REQUIREMENT.

WELL, NOT THE USE REQUIREMENTS, BUT THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT.

RIGHT.

AND I'M, I'M GUESSING THAT THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT ABOUT STREET FACING GROUND FLOOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

RIGHT.

NOT EVERYTHING ON GROUND FLOOR, RIGHT? NO, NOT NECESSARILY.

I MEAN, IF THEY WEREN'T THERE BUILDING DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THEY COME BACK TO.

IF THEY WANT ONE BUILDING ARCHITECTURE STYLE, THAT'S AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY TO BE SHORTER AND GROUND FLOOR, NOT AS HEIGHT, THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY'LL COME WITH PD FOR THAT.

OKAY.

THAT'S I THINK LEAVE IT UP TO THE DEVELOPER TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY WANNA LAY OUT THEIR SITE AND HOW THEY WANT TO DO IT.

THAT'S I'M, I DON'T WANT TO REGULATE THAT AND LET THEM COME TO US AND TELL US, OKAY.

I JUST DON'T WANT, I GUESS I'M JUST THINKING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE GROUND FLOOR BE RETAIL HEIGHTS, YOU KNOW, FOR BUILDINGS THAT ARE SET BACK BEHIND ANOTHER BUILDING, DOESN'T REALLY MAKE ANY SENSE TO HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT.

YEAH.

AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON THE SITE LAYOUT.

IF THEY WANT TO HAVE MORE SHOPPING, THEY HAVE THESE TOWN CENTER TYPE DEVELOPMENTS WHERE LIKE A CENTER, RIGHT.

YEAH.

YOU NEVER KNOW, LET THEM WORK OUT THEIR SITE PLAN AND OKAY.

THAT MAKES SENSE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

AND WE ALL, THEN I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT MR. GARREN, I THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH RAFTING SOME ORDINANCE AND REGULATION AROUND THAT.

AND VERY GOOD.

NO, THANK YOU.

AND I'LL, I'LL DEFINITELY FOLLOW UP WITH DEBT AND I THINK GOD DIDN'T HEAR BACK FROM MY COLLEAGUE IN DENTON, SO I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH HER.

AND, UM, AND I DID FIND THAT CITY OF ARLINGTON IS LOOKING INTO ADOPTING THIS.

THEY JUST HAVEN'T FORMALLY ADOPTED THIS, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING AT, I THINK THEY'RE CALLING IT, UM, RESIDENTIAL COTTAGES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THEY'VE HAD SOME TOWN HALLS AND CHARRETTES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO, UM, CERTAINLY BRING BACK SOME MORE INFORMATION.

SO, ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THEN WE CAN MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT SET OF MEN TO BE AMENDING THE GDC TO ALLOW FOOD, TRUCK PARKS.

THE COMMITTEE DIDN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT NEW FOR YOU.

JUST WANTED TO GO OVER AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE ON SOME OF THE TERMS AND REQUIREMENTS THAT, UM, THAT, UH, WE HEARD FROM THE COMMITTEE LAST TIME.

AND I DO HAVE THE ZONING DISTRICTS OR SOME PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICTS

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TO, UM, KIND OF ZERO THESE USES IN ON, BUT, UM, WHAT WE'VE GOT BASED ON THE LAST MEETING WAS, UH, THIS IS AGAIN CREATING A LAND USE FOR FOOD, TRUCK PARKS.

UM, JUST KIND OF STARTING FROM THE TOP HERE, UH, CEO WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THIS LAND USE.

UM, SUP IS REQUIRED FOR THIS LAND USE IN ANY ZONING DISTRICT, UM, IS THE DIRECTION I BELIEVE WE GOT FROM THE COMMITTEE.

UM, WHAT, UH, I WOULD PROPOSE IS THESE PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICTS, UM, CRS, COMMUNITY RETAIL, AND THIS GETS MORE INTENSIVE AS YOU KIND OF GO, UH, TO THE RIGHT LIGHT COMMERCIAL, HEAVY COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, AND THEN URBAN BUSINESS AS A MIXED USE DISTRICT, BUT IT'S MORE HEAVY ON THE COMMERCIAL RATHER THAN THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, AND THEN ALL DOWNTOWN DISTRICTS EXCEPT FOR IN-TOWN.

UM, SO PERHAPS, UM, ONLY ALLOWING ALLOWING IT IN THESE DISTRICTS, BUT ONLY BY SUP AS WELL.

UM, AND, UM, THAT'S JUST, I KIND OF JUST COPIED AND PASTED THE DEFINITION THAT CAN BE PERHAPS AMENDED AS MR. ENGLAND.

AND I, UH, BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE OR, OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PERHAPS RUN A DRAFT ORDINANCE BY YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE WE BRING IT TO THE FULL COUNCIL, BUT THAT'S A DEFINITION BASED ON THE BELIEF, THE CITY OF MESQUITE.

UH, BUT ONE AMENDMENT WE DID MAKE WAS, UM, UH, TAKEN OUT THE NUMBER OF MINIMUM FOOD TRUCKS THAT ARE PART OF THE PARK.

I THINK THE COMMITTEE DIDN'T WANT TO DICTATE WHETHER IT'S 2, 3, 4, OR FIVE, WE JUST SAID, UM, UH, DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE MOBILE MOBILE FOOD UNITS, NOT NECESSARILY HAVE A NUMBER TIED TO THAT.

UH, PERMANENT RESTROOMS ARE REQUIRED.

UH, ALICE HOURS OF OPERATION SHALL ONLY BE BETWEEN 6:00 AM AND 11:00 PM.

UH, VEHICLES MUST BE PARKED ON IMPROVED SURFACES.

UM, JUST FOLLOWING OUR CURRENT STANDARDS, I LEFT THAT AS DEFINED IN PART BLANK, BUT THAT WOULD JUST GO BACK TO OUR CURRENT, UM, CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR IMPROVED PARKING OR IMPROVED SURFACES FOR PARKING.

UH, AND THEN DUMPSTERS MUST BE SCREENED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GDC SECTION 4.45 IS THE AREA THAT ADDRESSES A DUMPSTER SCREENING.

SO THOSE WERE THE TERMS AND OTHER, THERE WERE SOME OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE MADE IT INTO A, UM, A HARD EXPECTATION.

I DON'T BELIEVE THE COMMITTEE, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

MR. CHAIRMAN HAD A MINIMUM OR PARTICULAR MINIMUM DISTANCE FROM RESIDENTIAL THAT WOULD JUST BE REVIEWED THROUGH THE SUP PROCESS.

CAN I THINK WE WANTED TO TAKE AS LIGHT TOUCH AS POSSIBLE ON THIS? YEAH.

AND, UH, IF YOU'D GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE REAL QUICK, YOU SAID DUMPSTERS MUST BE SCREENED.

DO WE HAVE A REGULATION THAT DUMPSTERS AREN'T EVEN REQUIRED? ACTUALLY, NO, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S SOMETHING THEY WORK OUT WITH SANITATION.

UM, BECAUSE OCCASIONALLY IT'S NOT REAL OFTEN, BUT OCCASIONALLY THERE MAY BE A COMMERCIAL USER THAT SAYS THEY DON'T REALLY NEED A FULL DUMPSTER.

THEY CAN GET BY WITH JUST THE ROLLING CARTS, MAYBE HAVING ONE OR TWO OF THOSE, UM, OFFICE USES THINGS OF THAT SORT.

SO, UM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I THINK SANITATION'S HAS, IS REALLY NOT AN ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBITS THAT.

UM, THEY JUST HAVE TO WORK THAT OUT WITH, WITH THEM, BUT IF THEY HAVE A DUMPSTER THAT DOES NEED TO BE SCREENED FOR THE GDC.

RIGHT.

IS THERE ANY COMMENT ON ANY OF THE PROPOSED, UH, NO COMMENT? NO.

WELL, I JUST, UM, AGAIN, I KEEP THINKING OF REAL USES THAT WE HAVE, AND I'M GOING BACK TO KELLY SAIGON MALL.

SO, UM, DEPENDING ON HOW THE OTHER, UM, ORDINANCE GOES THROUGH THIS, JUST FOR ORDINARY USE OF, UM, FOOD TRUCK VENDORS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, IF, IF KELLY SAIGON MALL WANTED TO DESIGNATE A CERTAIN AREA OF THEIR, UM, PARKING LOT AS A FOOD TRUCK COURT AND GO UNDER THIS ORDINANCE, WHICH WOULD ENABLE THEM TO HAVE, LET'S SAY MORE THAN FIVE, UM, THEN FOR THEM TO GET A, AN ACTUAL, AN ACTUAL CEO, WOULD THEY NEED TO REPLAT.

I MEAN, CAUSE THEY CAN GET A CEO FOR THEIR PARKING LOT UNDER WITH THE OTHER ORDINANCE, THEY CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, HAVE A SEPARATE CEO FOR THEIR PARKING LOT AT LARGE, AND THEN JUST INDICATE WHERE ON THE PARKING LOT OF FOOD TRUCKS WOULD BE OPERATING, BUT THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM THAT AND REQUIRES ITS OWN PERMANENT RESTROOMS. AND, AND IT DOESN'T SAY PERMANENT RESTROOMS. UM, IT WOULD BE ON THE SAME SITE.

I'M ASSUMING IT DOESN'T SAY THAT, BUT UM, SO IN, IN THE EVENT, JUST TAKING KELLY'S LIKE ON, AS AN EXAMPLE, IF THEY WANTED TO GO FROM WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW TO HAVING A BONAFIDE FOOD TRUCK COURT, UM, THAT WOULD, I'M ASSUMING THAT WOULD REQUIRE A REPLAT OF PART OF THEIR PARKING LOT.

I BELIEVE IT WOULD, IT'D BE A PIT ZONE, PRIMARY LANE ESTABLISHED ON A PROPERTY.

YES, IT WOULD.

UM, UH, UNDER, UNDER THE CURRENT GDC OR REQUIRED A REPLAT OF THAT SECTION

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OF THE PROPERTY.

CAUSE THEY'D HAVE TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO ADD A PERMANENT RESTROOM TO THE NEW REPLANTED AREA AND JUST BUILD IT UP AS, AS, UH, WHICH IS ALSO FINE.

UM, OKAY.

JUST WANTED CLARITY ON THAT.

THANK YOU.

THANKS.

WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE THOUGH, IS FOR THE PRIMARY USE THOUGH, RIGHT? RIGHT.

SO IT'S PRIMARY USE OF A PLOT OF LAND THAT WE'D BE SERVING AS A FOOD TRUCK.

WHAT WOULD WE CALL IT? FOOD TRUCK UNIT COURT, OR THEN YOU TURN BACK ONE SLIDE HERE.

YEAH.

MO MOBILE FOOD TRUCK PARK.

YEAH.

RIGHT.

I THINK THAT'S JUST BASED ON THE TERMINOLOGY, MUSKIE CALLS, THE BAND NAME.

WE, WE CAN, I'M FINE WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS STILL SUP'S REQUIRED TO COMMITTEE ANY OTHER COMMENTS.

OKAY.

SO WE TOOK OUT THE PROVISION ABOUT PRIMARY USE OR, OH, HERE IT IS.

NO PRIMARY.

OKAY.

PRIMARY USE OF LAND.

OKAY.

UM, PRIMARY USE, BECAUSE NOW I'M THINKING ABOUT FOR EXAMPLE, UM, FIFTH AVENUE NUTRITION.

SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW SHE WANTS TO DO THIS WITH, UH, HER PARKING LOT, BUT THAT WOULDN'T THEN BE THE PRIMARY USE.

SO THIS AT PRESENT, SHE FITS VERY NEATLY UNDER WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED WITH THE OTHER ONE THAT WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM FOR HER.

OKAY.

SO YEAH.

AND THE THING IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HEARD FROM BUILDING INSPECTION WAS, UH, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS VERY WISE, WAS IN OUR HEADS, WE'RE SITTING HERE THINKING OF FOUR OR 5, 6, 7.

SHE SAID, THINK OF 200 FOOD TRUCKS BECAUSE IN HER CITY SHE WATCHED THAT HAPPEN.

SO THIS THING WENT, SO THAT'S WHY I'M SITTING HERE LOOKING AT THIS AND TRYING TO STRETCH IT BIG TO SAY, OKAY, IF THIS MIGHT WORK FINE FOR WHAT WE'RE IMAGINING, BUT IF IT GROWS AND EXPANDS AND BECOMES HUGE, UM, PERMANENT RESTAURANT REQUIRED FOR INSTANCE, FIVE, SIX, UH, SEVEN TRUCKS, JUST A RESTROOM, TWO STALLS, WHATEVER.

UH, TWO RESTROOMS WOULD BE ADEQUATE, BUT SHE WAS POINTING OUT WHEN YOU GET 200, THERE'S THE PLUMBING CODE ADDRESS THAT THOUGH.

UM, AND THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW.

CAUSE PLUMBING CODE DIRECTS YOUR, IF YOU HAVE A, SO MUCH OF A SQUARE FOOTAGE ON A RESTAURANT, THEN YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE SO MANY COMMODES AND SO MANY URINALS.

AND, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO ADDRESS HIM OUT THE DOOR.

IT COMES AND GOES BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T START OUT SAYING I'M EXPECTING A HUNDRED FOOD TRUCKS, YOU WOULD HAVE A SPACE, A DESIGNATED SPACE.

SO THAT'S THE THING, THE NUMBER, THE NUMBER OF USERS, THE NUMBER OF TRUCKS CAN VARY WIDELY.

SO, UM, AND I KNOW IN SOME CITIES THAT, THAT I LOOKED AT WITH FOOD TRUCK COURTS, THEY, UM, THEY ACTUALLY HAD A, A FORMULA TO SAY FOR EVERY X NUMBER OF FOOD TRUCKS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF BATHROOMS AND TRYING TO THINK AHEAD.

UM, WE, WE MIGHT WANT TO, UM, DID YOU BRING BACK TO US ALREADY SPECIFIC EXAMPLES OF OTHER CITIES, FOOD TRUCK COURT ORDINANCES? I KNOW I LOOKED UP SOME ON CAN'T REMEMBER IF, IF I'M THINKING OF ONES JUST THAT I LOOKED UP OR IF IT ONES THAT YOU PRESENTED TO US.

RIGHT.

THE LAST MEETING WE LOOKED AT, I BELIEVE IT WAS MISKEYED AND ALLEN.

OKAY.

YEAH.

HARD COPIES THOUGH.

I WOULD BE KIND OF INTERESTED IN TAKING A PEEK AT SOME OF THE CITIES WHO HAVE GONE WELL AHEAD OF US IN THIS, AND I'VE GOTTEN BIG AND I'VE HAD TO REVISE THINGS.

I WOULD JUST, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF DOING THIS, UH, WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST LOOK AT A COUPLE OF THEM AND I DON'T AUSTIN HAS, UM, I THINK A PRETTY LIVELY, UM, FOOD TRUCK COURT ACTIVITY THERE.

UM, AND OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A COUPLE OTHER SPECIFIC CITIES.

I CAN, I CAN LOOK THEM UP, BUT I WOULD JUST KIND OF LIKE TO SEE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT THEY HAVE GRAVITATED AND BECOME

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AS, AS THIS USE EXPANDED VERSUS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

AND IF, YOU KNOW, AND WE CAN ALSO SHIFT OVER TIME, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO AVOID PAINTING OURSELVES IN A CORNER, UM, AT THIS EARLY STAGE.

WELL, THIS GOES BACK TO, WE SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED PARKING REQUIREMENTS AS WELL FROM THIS THAT WE WERE FIGURING, YOU KNOW, THIS SORT OF USE MAY HAVE PUBLIC PARKING AVAILABLE STREET PARKING AROUND THIS BEFORE TALKING 200 BECOMES DIFFERENT.

I MEAN, THAT SCALE, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO IMAGINE RIGHT NOW FOR US, BUT YEAH.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD PUT IT OR HAVE THE RIGHT, I THINK 40 EVEN THAT WOULD PUT STRESSORS ON THIS.

RIGHT.

SO I GUESS JUST FOR BALANCE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONE OF THE, KIND OF THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM.

I THINK WE'RE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE LOW END OF THE SPECTRUM AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IS WE'VE GOT IT ALL OVER TOWN, BUT I WOULD KIND OF LIKE TO HAVE A, AT LEAST A PEAK AT THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM AND TO SEE WHAT ACCOMMODATIONS THEY'VE HAD TO MAKE TO ADAPT, TO, YOU KNOW, FORGET 200, SAY 50, YOU KNOW, 25 TO 50 AND WHAT THEY HAD TO, UM, ADD TO, OR ADJUST TO MAKE THAT WORK.

JUST, AGAIN, I DON'T LIKE GETTING PAINTED INTO A CORNER BY OURSELVES.

IT'S, AGAIN, ALL OF THIS IS IT'S PROTECTED BY OUR SEP PROCESS.

SAME TIME THAT WE CAN HAVE A, WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YOU NEED MORE PARKING OR YOUR, YOUR RESTROOM FACILITY IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH.

OR, YOU KNOW WHAT, I THINK THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT SAFEGUARD IN PLACE RIGHT THERE.

YUP.

SO IF WE APPROVED THEM FOR A CERTAIN SPACE, THEY HAVE TO COME BACK.

IF THEY WANT, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK IF THEY'RE GOING TO EXPAND.

AND THAT IS A, THAT IS A SAFEGUARD.

OKAY.

SURE.

WELL, I'M, UH, I'M OKAY WITH IT.

IF IT'S, UM, AND THE SUP IS A BIG SAFE GUARD.

I I'M JUST ALWAYS LEERY OF, UM, PICTURING SOMETHING ONE WAY AND HAVING IT TURN INTO SOMETHING ELSE, JUST, YEAH.

I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S ALWAYS THE PROBLEM.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A SITE PLAN PROCESS AND WE DO PLAN AND ALL OF THAT.

SURE.

YEAH.

THE SUP OF COURSE WE REQUIRE PLANS WITH THEM AND THEY DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, CONDITION, YOU KNOW, MAXIMUM NUMBER OF STALLS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, YOU KNOW, FOOD TRUCKS, OF COURSE BUILDING INSPECTION IS PART OF THAT REVIEW PROCESS.

SO THEY'D BE ABLE TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE RESTROOM FACILITIES, THINGS OF THAT SORT.

AND, UH, PERHAPS WE CAN DOUBLE CHECK WITH BRITA, HER BUILDING OFFICIAL AND SEE IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT SHE'S AWARE OF IN THE BUILDING OR PLUMBING CODE OR SOMETHING THAT SHE RECOMMENDS AS FAR AS THE THRESHOLD FOR RESTROOMS PER NUMBER OF FOOD TRUCKS OR ANY KIND OF FORMULA OUT THERE IT'S ALREADY THERE.

YEAH.

AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE WRITTEN IN OUR CODE, BUT MORE OF A GUIDELINE THAT WE WOULD USE IN EVALUATING THESE.

ALL RIGHT.

THEN, ARE WE OKAY THEN MOVING FORWARD TO HAVING A SA SUP SAFE CARD IN PLACE THEN WITH THE BULLET POINTS OUTLINED FOR THIS NEW ZONING DISTRICT? YES.

OKAY.

VERY GOOD.

WHAT WILL THE MOVE FORWARD THEN WITH THAT? IT'S THE LAST TIME WE HAD ON OUR AGENDA THEN NET, UH, 4 33.

WE ARE ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.