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GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.

WELCOME

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TO THE

[Transportation Infrastructure Mobility Committee Meeting on April 19, 2022.]

MEETING OF THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY COMMITTEE FOR THE CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS.

TODAY IS APRIL 19TH, 2022.

IT IS 4:03 PM.

I AM THE CHAIR RICH ALBAN.

I HAVE WITH ME, UH, OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, MAYOR PRO TEM, DYLAN HEDRICK, AND COUNCIL MEMBER, ED MOORE, HOST OF OTHER LUMINARIES.

AND WITH THAT, WE'LL GET RIGHT INTO THE AGENDA.

UM, HOW WAS SUPPOSED TO ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? I DON'T KNOW WE DOING THE OTHER ONES, BUT THERE'S NO ONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT.

SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

UM, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO APPROVE THE MARCH 15TH, 2022 MEETING MINUTES.

HAVE YOU ALL HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK THEM OVER? YES, SIR.

AND I MOVED TO APPROVE SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AYE.

AYE.

MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

SECOND ITEM IS A STAFF PRESENTATION AND COMMUNITY DISCUSSION ON STORM WATER, UTILITY FEE WATSON, TAKE IT AWAY.

SURE.

WELCOME BACK.

WELCOME BACK.

YOU MADE THIS PRESENTATION A FEW YEARS AGO.

I'VE MADE THIS PRESENTATION A FEW YEARS AGO.

SO FOR SOME OF YOU, THIS MAY BE A SAME INFORMATION, BUT THE, THE IDEA BEHIND WHY THIS PRESENTATION IS BEING MADE IS RIGHT NOW, OUR STORMWATER RATES ARE ABOUT 50% LOWER THAN THE METROPLEX AVERAGE.

AND THE REASON WHY IS, IS OUR STORMWATER DOES NOT CARRY ANY OF THE DEBT SERVICE RELATED TO THE DRYNESS PROGRAMS. WE TYPICALLY HAVE FUNDED THOSE THROUGH BOND PROGRAMS, WHICH IS ON OUR TAX SUPPORTED SIDE.

SO THERE IS A THEORY THAT COULD BE MADE THAT YOU COULD START ISSUING DEBT FOR DRAINAGE PROJECTS, UH, AND UTILIZE THE STORMWATER RATE TO PAY THOSE BACK.

SO CURRENTLY THE CITY HAS THREE DEBT CREDITS.

ONE IS OUR TAX CREDIT, WHICH WE CURRENTLY ARE FUNDING OUR DRAINAGE PROGRAM THROUGH, WHICH IS PAID FROM OUR AVALARA TAX, RIGHT OR DEBT SERVICE PORTION.

WE HAVE AN ELECTRIC UTILITY CREDIT, WHICH HAS PAID FROM THE UTILITY BILLS FROM OUR ELECTRIC UTILITY.

AND WE HAVE A WATER SEWER CREDIT, WHICH IS COLLECTED FROM A WATER SEWER, RIGHT? SO ALL THE DEBT SERVICE GO AGAINST THOSE CREDITS.

WE COULD ESTABLISH A FOURTH ONE FOR STORM WATER, UM, AND, AND HAVE A FOURTH CREDIT TO HAVE THE STORM WATER RATES PAY FOR THE DEBT SERVICE ASSOCIATED WITH DRAINAGE.

AND WHAT I'VE DONE IS REALLY I'VE PROVIDED THREE SCENARIOS OF, OF WHERE WE'RE AT COMPARED TO THE METRIC PLACE AVERAGE.

NOW WITH NO NEW DEBT, I'VE DONE A MODEL WITH ADDING 5 MILLION A YEAR OVER FIVE YEARS FOR 25 MILLION OF ADDITIONAL PROJECTS FOR DRAINAGE.

AND THEN THERE'S A MODEL ADDING 10 MILLION A YEAR FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS FOR 50 MILLION, UH, PROJECTS.

SO THIS FIRST SLIDE JUST SHOWS YOU OVER TIME WHERE OUR BUDGET DEPARTMENT IS PROJECTING RIGHT NOW FOR OUR STORMWATER RATES TO BE COMPARED TO THE METROPLEX AVERAGE.

AND THIS METROPLEX AVERAGE IS STATIC.

UM, AND Y'ALL ALL KNOW THAT THESE THIS RIGHT WILL INCREASE OVER TIME AS WELL.

BUT I JUST LEFT THIS AS A STATIC RATE OF TIME.

JUST SHOW YOU WHERE WE ARE AT NOW COMPARED TO METRO PLACE AVERAGE AND WHERE WE GOING TO BE IN THE FUTURE COMPARED TO THE CURRENT METROPLEX AVERAGE.

SO YOU CAN SEE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, WE STILL PROJECTING TO BE, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY A DOLLAR 50 BELOW THE METROPLEX AVERAGE.

IF WE DON'T ISSUE ANY DEBT RELATED TO DRAINAGE YOU MOVE ON.

IN THIS SCENARIO, WE DO 5 MILLION A YEAR FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS FOR AN ADDITIONAL 25 MILLION OF PROJECTS.

THE RATE WOULD GO UP TO 5 67.

SO STILL SLIGHTLY BELOW THE CURRENT METROPLEX AVERAGE.

THIS FINAL SLIDE IS ISSUING 10 MILLION A YEAR FOR A TOTAL OF $50 MILLION OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

AND WE WILL BE OVER THE CURRENT METROPLEX AVERAGE AT 6 74 COMPARED TO 6 26.

BUT OF COURSE OVER TIME, THE METROPLEX AVERAGE WILL SHIFT AS WELL.

AND YOU MAY BE WONDERING WHO WE'RE COMPARING IT TO.

THERE'S NINE CITIES THAT WE COMPARE TO IT'S ARLINGTON DALLAS, FORT WORTH, IRVING MUSKIE, PLANO FRISCO, GRAND PRAIRIE, AND RICHARDSON.

SO THOSE ARE KIND OF OUR STANDARDS THAT WE USE IN BUDGET TO COMPARE IT TO.

SO THOSE ARE THOSE NINE CITIES.

THAT'S THE AVERAGE.

SO HERE'S KIND OF JUST A CHART SUMMARIZING IF WE DON'T ISSUE ANY DEBT ARE IN 2023, WE'RE PROJECTING OUR RIGHT TO BE AT 3 81.

AND BY 2020 7, 4 62 A MONTH FOR A TYPICAL RESIDENT OR AN 81 CENT INCREASE, IF WE ISSUE 5 MILLION A YEAR, YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT JUMPS ABOUT A DOLLAR 76 OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS PER MONTH FOR, FOR A TYPICAL RESIDENT IN 10 MILLION A YEAR IS 2 69.

AND THE ONLY THING I'M SHOWING YOU IN THIS PRESENTATION IS RESIDENTIAL, BUT KNOW THAT THE COMMERCIAL RATES IN THE ANALYSIS ARE GOING UP AS WELL.

AND THEY, AND I THINK IT'S IT'S MUCH LOWER RATE, BUT THE, THE, THE COST

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IS, IS HIGHER BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED, BUT IT IT'S USING THE SAME PERCENTAGE INCREASES EACH YEAR AS THE RESIDENTIAL FOR COMMERCIAL.

BUT I WANTED IT TO JUST SHOW YOU RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE A BULK OF THE REVENUE COMES IN, AND THOSE ARE OUR CITIZENS AS WELL.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, UH, TRY TO KEEP THEIR RATES LOW, BUT WE COULD ISSUE ROUGHLY 10 MILLION A YEAR OR 50 MILLION FOR $2 69 CENTS INCREASE.

UM, AND THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.

AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE BRENDAN, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE BROUGHT THIS TO US ON DOLLY FOR SOME VERY GOOD REASONS, ESPECIALLY PRESENTLY BECAUSE THE TAX SITUATION INFLATION AND SO ON AND SO FORTH FROM A STAFF POINT OF VIEW, WHAT, UH, WHICH ONE OF THESE WOULD YOU THINK WOULD BE IN OUR BEST INTEREST? FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT WOULD BE IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO DISCUSS THIS AT THE MAY 21ST, WE'RE A SPECIAL WORK SESSION.

YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE'RE HAVING, UH, INFLATION ISSUES WITH OUR CURRENT PROJECTS AND THAT THIS ORIGINAL PRESENTATION WAS DESIGNED TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE ISSUES.

BUT WE HAVE PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN OUR PORTFOLIO THAT MAY HAVE ISSUES AS WELL, THAT WE COULD UTILIZE THIS, UH, THIS MECHANISM TO FUND.

AND SO I, IF IT WERE ME, I WOULD DEFER DISCUSSION OF THIS AND HAVE IT IN YOUR BACK POCKET FOR THAT, THAT W THAT WORK SESSION, BUT THAT'S JUST ME, THAT'S GERMAN.

WELL, I AGREE.

WELL, I DON'T, BUT, UM, NO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN THIS COMMITTEE OFF AND ON FOR SEVERAL YEARS, THE ORIGINAL.

AND I THINK AS, AS A COMMITTEE, WE NEED TO HAVE RECOMMENDATION IT'S OUR JOB TO HAVE A RICK TO CONSIDER THIS AND TO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE FULL COUNCIL, UM, DEPENDING ON WHERE THAT CONVERSATION GOES.

UM, THIS IS A POTENTIAL SOURCE OF, UH, FUNDING FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

THE ORIGINAL, UH, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY RAISED BY ME SEVERAL YEARS AGO, ASSOCIATED WITH THE EROSION CONTROL PROGRAM THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THE CONCEIT THERE, BEING THAT.

UM, AND THIS IS, AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THIS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE EROSION PARTICIPATION PROGRAM IN A MINUTE, BUT THE CONCEIT THERE BEING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, W W STORMWATER OR ERODES, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE ELSE'S STORMWATER, IF YOU LIVE ON A CREEK, SOMEONE ELSE'S STORMWATER ERODES YOUR PROPERTY AND CARRIES IT OFF DOWN THE CREEK.

UM, AND WE HAVE IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS IN ALMOST EVERY DISTRICT, THERE'S SOME ELEMENT OF THIS.

IT'S WORSE IN SOME, I THINK YOU'VE GOT SOME THAT ARE PRETTY, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY GET, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S VERY SHALLOW, IT'S NOT AS MUCH OF A PROBLEM, BUT WHEN IT'S VERY DEEP, IT BECOMES A VERY BIG PROBLEM.

SO THE THOUGHT WAS THAT THAT, THAT THE CITY COULD START PROACTIVELY ARMORING SUMMER, SOME OF THESE CREEKS, AND NOW MORE TO SAY ON THAT IN A MINUTE, BUT, UM, THE IDEA THAT CAUSE THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENS IS THAT WHEN WE HAVE CITIZENS DO THROUGH THE PARTICIPATION PROGRAM, YOU GET ONE PROPERTY AT A TIME, WHICH DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE KIND OF PROTECTION THAT YOU WANT, UM, AND THEN GIVE CREATES OTHER, YOU DON'T GET THE EFFICIENCIES BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THE COST OF DOING THIS KIND OF WORK IS ACTUALLY MOBILIZING THE EQUIPMENT INTO THE CREEK TO DO THESE THINGS.

UH, AND THEN THEIR ISSUES ALSO OF TREES AND OTHER THINGS THAT BECOME UPROOTED THAT THEN FLOAT DOWN THE CREEK AND DAMAGE OUR BRITCHES AND OTHER STUFF THAT SAID.

SO, SO THERE'S A REASON, AND IT'S, I THINK A LOGICAL REASON, LIKE YOUR RATES, THE STORMWATER FEE, WHICH IS VERY LOW, UM, YOU RAISED THAT STORMWATER FEE.

AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TO BRING IT UP TO THE METROPLEX AVERAGE, EVEN IN, AND THIS IS, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT AVERAGE HAS MOVED OVER THE YEARS, BUT IT WILL, THAT'S NOT GOING TO REMAIN STATIC.

THAT'S GOING TO, THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO UP.

THAT'S GOING TO, I MEAN, THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, SO EVEN IF WE DID THE $10 MILLION A YEAR, THAT SERVICE, BY THE TIME WE GET THERE IN 2027, IT'S LIKE, WE'RE SKATING TO WHERE THE PUCK WAS FIVE YEARS AGO.

RIGHT.

UM, BUT IT'S HARD TO PREDICT WHO ELSE IS GONNA RAISE THEIR STORM WATER RATES AND WHY,

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AND WHAT OTHER THINGS, AND THAT, THAT FEED INTO THAT, THAT THESE OTHER CITIES HAVE.

ON THE OTHER HAND THOUGH, I MEAN, I KIND OF HATE TO SEE THE POT RAIDED BEFORE WE'VE EVEN CREATED IT.

UM, BUT, BUT THE REALITY, THE RE WHAT I RECOGNIZE THAT THE REALITY IS, UM, THE COUNCIL MAY FIND A BETTER USE, UM, FOR THESE FUNDS, UH, WITH RESPECT TO HOW WE'VE, AND THAT'S A MAJOR POLICY CHANGE, WHICH IS HOW DO WE HANDLE THE DRAINAGE PROJECTS THAT WE DO.

UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE TYPICALLY PUT INTO BOND PROGRAMS. THAT'S A, I THINK THAT'S A MAJOR POLICY CHANGE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY, THE FULL COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO DISCUSS AS IT KIND OF GRAPPLES WITH ALL OF THE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THE 2019 BOND PROGRAM AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.

I MEAN, I ASSUME THAT THAT RAISING THIS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DOES TO, YOU KNOW, ADDING MORE REVENUE SUPPORTED DEBT, WHAT THAT DOES TO OUR RATINGS AND OTHER STUFF.

BUT I EXPECT THAT, THAT THAT'S ALSO PART OF ANOTHER DISCUSSION REALLY, THAT, THAT I EXPECT THAT THE COUNCIL WILL HAVE IN, IN MAY.

I ASSUME YOU'RE GEARING UP.

I ASSUME YOU'RE WORKING HARD TO FIGURE OUT THAT BECAUSE THE OTHER QUESTION IS HOW MUCH TOTAL DEBT LOAD DO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, DO WE PUT ON EACH OF OUR CITIZENS? AND THEN HOW DOES THAT FIGURE INTO WHERE OUR BOND RATINGS ARE AND STUFF LIKE THAT? CORRECT.

AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD SUGGEST IF WE DO GO DOWN THIS PATH TO SET UP A SEPARATE CREDIT FOR IT, I CAN SAY THAT SERIES ALERT THERE IS ON THE JOB.

THAT'S WHY I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE SET UP A SEPARATE CREDIT AND HAVE, UH, THESE, THIS, THIS STORMWATER DEBT FUNDING RATED SEPARATELY FROM OUR TAX SUPPORTED SIDE.

BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN BOND RATING AGENCIES LOOK AT US, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT JUST OUR DEBT THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON.

THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE MATCH, ALL OF THE PROPERTY TAXES COMPONENTS ALTOGETHER, THEY CALL IT OVERLAPPING DEBT.

AND WHAT THE TOTAL DEBT BURDEN IS ON A TAXPAYER BY MOVING THIS OFF.

AND I'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH ON WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE IS, IS, IS, UH, RIGHT NOW ARE, WE'RE NOT LEVERAGED HARDLY AT ALL BECAUSE WE HAVE VERY LITTLE DEBT SERVICE ON A STORMWATER RATE.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD ANTICIPATE HAVING A FAIRLY STRONG BOND RATING ON OUR STORMWATER.

IF WE DID GO OUT TO GET, GET A CREDIT, PROBABLY DOUBLE A PLUS AAA, JUST BECAUSE OF HOW, UM, UNLEVERAGED WE ARE WITH DEBT RIGHT NOW.

BUT, UH, THE, OF COURSE WE WOULD HAVE TO PLAY THAT OUT, BUT I WOULD TRY TO SILO THIS OUT OUTSIDE OF OUR TAX SUPPORT IT'S SO THAT EVERYTHING IS CONCENTRATED ON THE REVENUE BEING SUPPORTED FROM THE STORM WATERS, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IT MEANS THAT IF YOU DO THAT, YOU'RE SETTING YOURSELF UP FOR RATE INCREASES DOWN THE ROAD TO, TO PAY FOR THAT DEBT SERVICE.

AND WE WOULD HAVE TO SHOW THAT WE CAN DO THAT.

OH, IT SOUNDS LIKE REALLY A NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE ARE, UH, IT, FOUNDATIONALLY IS A BASIC, WOULD BE OUR FIRST ROUTE THAT WE WOULD GO, OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR FIRST.

RIGHT.

AND, AND AGAIN, THE FIVE AND 10 WERE JUST KIND OF ARBITRARY NUMBERS TO GET TO WHERE THE CURRENT METROPLEX AVERAGES ACCOUNTS, MELVIN BEEN BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT THAT THAT AVERAGE WILL GO UP, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY INFORMATION I HAVE RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE, BUT IT AT LEAST SHOWS YOU OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS THAT YOU'RE STILL IN A RANGE OF THE METROPLEX AVERAGE AND MATT.

BUT EVEN IF YOU SILO THAT OUT, THOUGH, IT IS, IT WILL HAVE SOME, IT WILL BECAUSE YOU'LL LOOK AT, BECAUSE SOMEWHERE, SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE AS A RATE, LET'S SAY OUR, OUR OTHER DEBT IS GOING TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WELL, THE, THE OVERALL BURDEN ON, ON THESE FOLKS IS, YOU KNOW, $12 A YEAR HIGHER BECAUSE OF THIS OR WHATEVER.

SO THAT IT'LL HAVE SOME IMPACT, BUT, BUT I TRUST YOU, THERE WILL BE SOME THAT IMPACTED, IT WOULD JUST HELP OUT A LITTLE BIT BY HAVING THE RATES, SUPPORTING IT DIRECTLY, RATHER THAN TAXES SUPPORTING IT DIRECTLY.

YEAH.

BUT YES, YOU'RE CORRECT.

IT WILL HAVE NO MATTER WHAT WE DEBT, I ALWAYS SAY, DEBT IS DEBT.

THE MORE DEBT YOU PUT ON IN SOME FASHION, THE BOND RATINGS ARE GOING TO LOOK AT IT.

CAN YOU GO IN THE, HOW ARE THE, HOW'S THE CURRENT RATE CALCULATED? LIKE, HOW HAS THAT SET? LIKE, IS IT JUST A FLAT FEE PER PROPERTY BASIS PER ACCOUNT? UM, YEAH, THIS IS JUST A MID MID-LEVEL RESIDENTIAL HOUSE.

AND I THINK THERE'S A SMALL AND A LARGE, RIGHT? SO OTHER CITIES HAVE IMPLEMENTED A STORMWATER FEE BASED UPON IMPERVIOUS FOOTAGE, AUSTIN, SAN ANTONIO, CORPUS CHRISTI RECENTLY WITHIN THE PAST SIX MONTHS OR SO.

AND IT THEORY IS LIKE, WHAT YOU SAID, YOUR STORM WATER

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COMES OFF YOUR PROPERTY AND AFFECTS OTHER PEOPLE.

BUT SINCE IT'S IMPERVIOUS, IT DOESN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO GO INTO THE GROUND AND RECHARGE THE GROUNDWATER.

AND IF THERE'S A PURPOSE AREA, IT FLOWS OFF HAS GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

SO IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR RECOMMENDATION, I SAY, THAT'S A MODEL THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE USED.

AND THEN THAT BECOMES MORE OF A PROGRESSIVELY LARGER PROPERTY WOULD HAVE MORE THEORY, MORE, BIGGER, LOT MORE DRIVEWAY, MORE BIGGER HOUSE, AND THEY WOULD PAY A HIGHER FEE THAN A SMALLER LOT.

SO THEREFORE YOU'VE KIND OF MAKE IT MORE EQUITABLE AMONG PEOPLE AS YOU'RE CHARGING THAT FEE.

AND I DON'T KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S JUMPING UP RIGHT NOW AND TALK ABOUT THAT.

TH THE WAY WE CALCULATE THE STORMWATER FEE.

AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE A SMALL, MEDIUM AND LARGE, UM, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES BASED ON LOT SQUARE FOOTAGE.

AND IN AVERAGE SIZE HOMES, THAT'S HOW IT WAS DESIGNATED YEARS AGO WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS.

AND, UM, THE MAJORITY, I THINK 80 SOME ODD PERCENT ARE MEDIUM-SIZED LOTS IN GARLAND.

THERE ARE SOME LARGE LOTS, AND THEN THERE ARE A FEW SMALLER LOTS, AND A THERE'S A, THERE'S A RATE ASSOCIATED WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE.

AND THEN OF COURSE, COMMERCIAL IS BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF IMPERVIOUS AREA.

SO WE DO CHARGE A CERTAIN NUMBER.

I DON'T REMEMBER THE RIGHT ON THAT.

SO MANY CENTS, UH, PER SQUARE FOOT OF, OF IMPERVIOUS AREA, 9 CENTS PER SQUARE FOOT ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.

YEAH.

SO WE WERE ALREADY DOING THIS KIND OF THING FOR COMMERCIAL, ANOTHER OTHER, DONE A SIMILAR THING FOR RESIDENTIAL.

IT JUST TAKES MORE MANPOWER TO GET INTO THE GPS AND THEN MEASURE LOT BY LOT ESSENTIALLY.

AND THERE'S ALGORITHM, YOU CAN RUN TO FIGURE THAT OUT, BUT IT'S, UH, A WAY TO CALCULATE THE FEE THAT THEN IT'S NOT, IT'S BASED UPON A, A METRIC OF YOUR OWN PROPERTY RATHER THAN JUST A SET KIND OF MID-SIZE OR LOCAL OR HIGH RATE.

SO THAT MAY BE CONSIDERATION.

WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE CAMP WITH THE FULL COUNCIL, AT SOME POINT, IF WE WANT TO GO THAT DIRECTION, BUT I'M ALL FOR MOVING.

IT'S JUST LOOKING AT WHAT WE DID IN THE BOND STUDY COMMITTEE.

AND WHAT'S IN THE BOND PROGRAM.

NOW THERE'S $47 MILLION WORTH OF DRAINAGE PROJECTS.

AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE HAD TO BE FOUGHT FOR, TO BE EVEN INCLUDED, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT THE SEXY PROJECTS THAT GET IT ARE INCLUDED AND THEY NEED TO BE DONE AND HAVING A FUNDING MECHANISM OTHER THAN A BOND THAT HAPPENED 2004 AND THEN 18 YEARS LATER, I MEAN, OR, YOU KNOW, 13 OR WHATEVER.

YEAH.

WELL, I THINK THE, I MEAN, YEAH, GARVIN WEST IS AT 39.

THE LAST I SAW OF IT OR SOMETHING THE, YOU KNOW, THE, I THINK WE HAD ESTIMATED I THINK IT WAS 12, ORIGINALLY 12 TO 15 AND THE BOND, AND IT'S LIKE 39 MILLION, WHICH BEGS A DIFFERENT QUESTION OF WHETHER YOU OUGHT TO EVEN CAUSE FOR 39 MILLION, YOU COULD PROBABLY HALF THAT YOU COULD BUY EVERY PROPERTY IN THAT AREA.

THAT FLOODS PROBABLY.

SO THERE'S A DIFFERENT CONSIDERATION THERE, BUT, UM, SOME OF THESE DRAINAGE PROJECTS ARE PRETTY EXPENSIVE.

UM, WELL, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO, TO SEE US START USING IT ON THE EROSION SIDE, BUT I KNOW WE MAY HAVE OTHER PRIORITIES OR MAYBE TAKE SOME PORTION OF IT TO USE.

I WOULD ASSUME.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY LINEAR FEET WE COULD DO.

I TRIED TO CALCULATE THAT ONCE IN MY HEAD, IT DIDN'T GO SO WELL, CAUSE I'M NOT REALLY A MATH GUY, BUT, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LOT OF LINEAR FEET OF, UH, OF WALLS.

UM, I THINK WE DID.

WAS IT ABOUT A THOUSAND TO FOOT NORTH OF YES, SIR.

ACTUALLY I, I HAVE THAT IN MY PRESENTATION COMING.

OKAY.

YEAH.

I KNOW WHICH PROJECT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON FOR GLENBROOK.

THAT'S WHAT I ALWAYS TAUGHT THE SPECIFIC ONE I USED IN THERE, BUT I DO HAVE SOME INFORMATION.

THAT'S THE ONE I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT JUST NORTH OF BRIAR WOOD.

CAUSE IT WAS RIGHT THERE.

WE DID, I THINK WE DID 400 OR 500, IT WAS 475 FEET AND IT WAS ROUGHLY 475,000.

SO IT WAS ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS A LINEAR FOOT.

AND THAT WAS 10, 10 YEARS AGO.

I BELIEVE IT WAS WHILE I WAS ON COUNCIL.

I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT IT HAD BEEN AWHILE, BUT IT JUST FEELS WELL, I THOUGHT IT WAS, I THOUGHT IT WAS LONG AND I, NO, NO OFFENSE.

IF YOU TAP THE TWO COVID YEARS, WHICH ADDED, I THINK ABOUT FOUR YEARS ON EACH OF THEM AND YOU ASKED PROBABLY 10 YEARS AGO, BUT YEAH.

SO IF IT'S A THOUSAND A FOOT OR, OR SOMEWHAT LESS THAN THAT, THEN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, 50 MILLION.

ON THE OTHER HAND, WE HAVE A LOT OF, WE HAVE A LOT OF CREEK FRONTAGE, BUT OKAY.

YEAH.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE HAVE A FUNDING MECHANISM FOR DRAINAGE PROJECTS HERE THAT WE COULD UTILIZE.

SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT, I GUESS THAT'S WHY I PAY THE BIG BUCKS, HUH? YEAH.

WELL, W W W WITH

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ANY LUCK, MY SENTENCE, I MEAN, MY TERM WILL BE OVER BY THEN AND I WON'T BE HERE, BUT, UM, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE RECOMMEND TO THAT IS WE REPORT THIS OUT.

THE RECOMMENDATION BE THAT THE, THE COUNCIL LOOK AT INCREASING THE STORMWATER RATE AND IT'S KIND OF COUNCIL'S DECISION ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE, WITH THE BOND FUNDING THAT WE COULD GET OUT OF THAT.

UH, SO WE THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO, UH, RECOMMEND INCREASING, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO RECOMMEND ONE OF THE ROUTES THAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE.

WELL, I WOULD RECOMMEND THE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS SHOULD, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A OR B IT COULD BE ANY NUMBER IN BETWEEN THERE AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UH, YOU COULD PICK A NUMBER.

I MEAN, YOU JUST PICK A NUMBER AND IT'LL GENERATE, HOWEVER, AND EVEN THE AMOUNT THAT YOU WOULD GENERATE WILL CHANGE OVER THE YEARS, DEPENDING ON, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SAY WE'RE GOING TO RAISE A DOLLAR AND THAT COULD JUST, DEPENDING ON WHEN YOU ISSUE THE DEBT, IT'S GOING TO CHANGE HOW MUCH ACTUAL REVENUE REVENUE YOU WILL SUPPORT WITH THAT DEBT.

I GUESS MY QUESTION THOUGH IS HE'S TALKED ABOUT A SCENARIO, A VERSUS OUR SCENARIO, A, B AND C.

AND I'M WONDERING NOW, GOD, WE JUST, WE'RE NOT SAYING A SCENARIO AT ALL.

WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT A DOLLAR AMOUNT OR I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION AS TO A, B OR C.

WELL, YEAH, TOWARDS B OR C, I'D SAY WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE'RE UNDER ALL THE OTHER CITIES AND THAT INCREASING, IT WOULD ALLOW US MORE DECK CAPACITY.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS INCREASE.

WE KNOW THAT WE'RE UNDER ALL THE OTHER CITIES AROUND THERE, WHAT THAT LEVEL OF FINALLY ENDS UP AND HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET TO WHATEVER LEVEL OUR GOAL IS, THEN THAT'S OUR POLICY DECISION.

OKAY.

PERFECT.

OKAY.

YEAH.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, MATT.

THANK YOU ALL.

LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE UPDATE ON THE FLOOD BUYOUT PROGRAM.

OKAY, GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, REAL QUICK ON THE FLOOD BUYOUT PROGRAM, THIS, THIS WILL BE ACTUALLY A QUICK UPDATE.

WE JUST SIGNED OUR CONTRACT WITH THE CONSULTANT TO KEEP US ON TASK FOR THE HELPING US WRITE THE ORDINANCE, THE BUYOUT ORDINANCE, AS WELL AS THE GUIDELINES AND THE, UM, OPERATING PROCEDURES FOR THAT.

WE HAD A KICKOFF MEETING I BELIEVE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

SO THEY'RE IN FULL SWING TRYING TO GET THIS MODE MOVING AND MOVING DOWN THE ROAD.

I'M STILL BELIEVE WE'RE ON TARGET RIGHT NOW TO BRING THE ORDINANCE TO COUNCIL.

SOMETIME IN AUGUST, I THINK FIRST OR SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST, THERE WILL BE A PRESENTATION BY THE CONSULTANT TO THE TIM COMMITTEE AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD.

AND MAYBE PROBABLY IN A COUPLE MONTHS IS WHAT I'M EXPECTING WHEN WE PULL ALL THIS TOGETHER TO BRIEF, TO BRIEF THE TIM COMMITTEE FIRST.

AND THEN BEFORE WE ACTUALLY TAKE IT TO COUNCIL FOR A RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY.

SO THAT'S THE UPDATE ON THE BUYOUT PROGRAM.

AT THIS TIME, I WAS HOPING TO HAVE MORE OF A SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW.

THEY'RE GETTING US A MORE DETAILED SCHEDULE.

UH, WE HAD ONE WITH THE CONTRACT, BUT WE ASKED THEM TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHERE THEY'RE AT WITH EVERYTHING AND TO PROVIDE US AN UPDATED SCHEDULE.

UH, WE DID NOT HAVE THAT BY THE TIME I LEFT THIS AFTERNOON IN, IN ONCE THEY, ONCE THAT ORDINANCE HAS PASSED IT'S THEN THAT WE CAN GO TO, IS IT THE FEMUR TO THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM? WE TALKED ABOUT KIND OF MATCHING FUNDS AND WHATNOT, RIGHT? UM, ON, ON THE FEMA MATCHING FUNDS PROGRAM, IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, IF YOU REMEMBER, WHEN I GAVE THE PRESENTATION A FEW MONTHS AGO, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS BECAUSE THE PROPERTIES THAT YOU PURCHASE, YOU HAVE TO DEED RESTRICT THEM THAT YOU CANNOT SELL THOSE OFF.

THEY WILL PERPETUALLY EVER BE THE CITY'S OWNERSHIP.

AND IN MOST CASES, THESE PROPERTIES THAT ARE THE, THE, UM, FLOOD HAZARD, THE, THE, THE FLOOD HAZARDS THAT ARE, WHAT IS IT, THE REPETITIVE LOSS PROPERTIES, MOST LIKELY THOSE THAT HAVE HAD SIX FEET, FOUR FEET OF WATER, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO REDEVELOP THOSE PROPERTIES MOST LIKELY ANYWAY.

SO THOSE, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM IN THOSE.

WE WOULD ACTUALLY GO BACK TO FEMA AND ASK FOR RE REIMBURSEMENT AFTER WE PURCHASE THE PROPERTIES.

BUT IT'S USUALLY AN AFTER THE FACT THAT YOU GO BACK TO FEMA AND ASK FOR THOSE FUNDS.

OKAY, GREAT.

WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN IT WAS IT TWO WEEKS AGO THAT WE HAD, IT WAS VERY HEAVY RAINS AND I, I WAS DRIVING DOWN GLEN BROOK AND, UH, IT, UH, THE,

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UH, DUCK CREEK WAS, UH, AT THE BRIAR WOOD BRIDGE WAS, WAS ROILING.

IT WAS JUST LIKE WHITEWATER COMING UNDER VERY HIGH.

AND THEN AS I DROVE FURTHER DOWN GLENBROOK AT GLENBROOK AND CAROL, WHERE WE HAD HAD FLOODING BEFORE THERE WAS ABOUT A FOOT OF WATER OVER THE ROAD.

AND I WAS, IT WAS STILL RAINING HARD AT THAT MOMENT.

AND SO I REMEMBER THINKING AT THAT POINT, BOY, I HOPE WE HAVEN'T MISSED THE USEFUL WINDOW FROM THE FLOAT I HAVE PROGRAM.

AND THE CREEK WAS ACTUALLY OUT OF ITS BANKS AT, UM, DOWN AT CENTERVILLE, RIGHT.

AT LAWN WIND PARK.

SO IT WAS, UH, JUST A REMINDER THAT, THAT THIS IS A PERSISTENT PROBLEM.

THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO NEED, WE ARE GOING TO NEED THIS PROGRAM AT SOME POINT OR OTHER, SO APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON IT.

ABSOLUTELY.

THEY DON'T HAVE A BETTER UPDATE ON OUR NEXT MEETING.

GREAT.

AND, UM, LET'S MOVE ON TO NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS UPDATE ON EROSION PARTICIPATION PROGRAM.

YES, SIR.

ENCOURAGE PARTICIPATION, WHICHEVER ONE, THE RANGE PARTICIPATION, EROSION, ROJAN, UH, PARTICIPATION PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE, UM, AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, COUNCILMAN YOU'D ASKED, UH, FOR COMPARISON OF OTHER CITIES, UH, THE LAST ONE THAT I WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND IN MARCH, BUT, UH, THE ONE PRIOR TO IN FEBRUARY, SO LONG STORY SHORT, WENT AND CALLED A NUMBER OF CITIES AND COMPARED OURSELVES WITH OTHER CITIES.

AND WHAT WE HAVE IS THESE ARE THE CITIES THAT I CONTACTED DALLAS FORT WORTH, PLANO RICHARDSON, ARLINGTON IRVING, CARROLLTON, FARMERS, BRANCH, MCKINNEY, AND AUSTIN.

YOU HAD MENTIONED AUSTIN IN YOUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATION OR IN OUR PREVIOUS MEETING AND GOING DOWN THE LIST, I'M JUST GOING TO START AT THE TOP AND GO THROUGH THESE AND KIND OF TELL YOU WHAT THEY DO WITH EROSION PROJECTS AND WHAT THEIR PROGRAMS ARE.

AND SO CITY OF DALLAS, THEY RECEIVE THEIR EROSION CALLS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

THERE'S A TEAM OF ENGINEERS THAT ACTUALLY COMPILE ALL THESE TOGETHER AND DETERMINE IF THE PROJECTS ARE VIABLE.

CITY STAFF THEN PRESENTS VARIOUS QUALIFYING PROJECTS TO THE COUNCIL EACH YEAR FOR CONSIDERATION, THE COUNCIL SELECTS THE PROJECTS.

THE PROJECTS ARE THEN CONSTRUCTED ON AN UNDER A DESIGN BUILD CONTRACT.

THE FOLLOWING YEAR CITY PAYS A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH NO PARTICIPATION BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

HOWEVER, THE WALLS BECOME THE PROPERTY OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY AFTER THE MAINTENANCE BOND EXPIRES AND ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, HAVE TO AGREE TO OWNERSHIP OF THESE WALLS PRIOR TO INITIATING THE PROJECT.

SO EVEN AFTER THE FACT, AND THEY BECOME THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS AFTER THE MAINTENANCE BOND IS EXPIRED, CITIES OF FORT WORTH IN PLANO WERE BASICALLY IDENTICAL.

UM, AGAIN, THEY RECEIVED THE EROSION CALLS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR CITY STAFF EVALUATES THE BOTH CITIES WILL ONLY INITIATE A PROJECT.

IF THE EROSION IS OCCURRING IN AN EXISTING CITY, EASEMENT DRAINAGE OR FLOODWAY EASEMENT, A CITY WILL DESIGN BID AND CONSTRUCT THE EROSION MITIGATION PROJECT CITY WILL PAY A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH NO PARTICIPATION REQUIRED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

AND ULTIMATELY THE WALLS ARE PERPETUALLY MAINTAINED BY THE CITY CITY, HOWEVER WILL NOT PARTICIPATE.

EITHER CITY WILL NOT, NOT PARTICIPATE WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY EROSION ISSUES THAT ARE NOT EXISTING IN A, IF THEY DON'T HAVE AN EXISTING DRAINAGE EASEMENT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ASK FOR AN EASEMENT TO GO BUILD THE PROJECT THOUGH, ANY PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER THAT HAS AN EROSION PROBLEM.

THERE'S NOT AN EXISTING EASEMENT.

IT'S, IT'S THEIR PROBLEM IF THERE'S AN EXISTING EASEMENT, BUT IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE NOW, IF, IF, IF THERE'S NOT AN EXISTING DRAINAGE EASEMENT OR FLOODWAY EASEMENT PROPERTY OWNER HAS AN EROSION PROBLEM, THEY WON'T PARTICIPATE IN, BUT IF THERE'S A DRAINAGE EASEMENT IN THE EROSION IMPACTS OF PRIVATE PRICE, THEN THEY'LL PARTICIPATE.

OKAY.

THEN THEY'LL PARTICIPATE.

THAT'S HOW BOTH OF THESE CITIES HANDLE THOSE EROSION PROBLEMS. AND AGAIN, PERPETUAL MAINTENANCE IS ON EACH CITY.

CITY OF RICHARDSON WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

UM, THEY ACTUALLY CONTRACT A CONSULTANT EVERY THREE TO FOUR YEARS TO EVALUATE ALL THE STREAMS AND CREEKS WITHIN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON AND CITY, HOWEVER WILL ONLY, UH, PARTICIPATE IF IT PROTECTS THEIR OWN INFRASTRUCTURE AND PROPERTIES, WHETHER IT'S A STREET AND ALLEY WATER OR WASTEWATER LINE THAT'S BEING THREATENED, DRAINAGE OUTFALL, OR ACTUALLY A CITY PROPERTY ITSELF WHERE THEY HAVE A CITY FACILITY, A CITY PAYS A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH NO PARTICIPATION BY PROPERTY OWNERS, HOWEVER, SHOULD

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THE SOLUTION BE ADJACENT TO A PRIVATE PROPERTY AND NEED AND REQUIRE THE PRIVATE PROPERTY TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT, UM, EROSION PROTECTION.

THEN THEY WILL REQUIRE THE PROPERTY OWNER TO PARTICIPATE AT THE LESSER VALUE OF 50% OR $5,000 CAP ON THEIRS.

BUT THAT'S ONLY IF THE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PROTECT REQUIRES THEM TO GO BEYOND, ONTO PRIVATE PROPERTY, TO, FOR THOSE EROSION PROPERTIES OR EROSION ISSUES.

THE WALLS AGAIN ARE PERPETUAL MAINTAINED BY THE CITY AND THE CITY WILL NOT PARTICIPATE WITH ANY OTHER PRIVATE PROPERTY ROJAN ISSUES, EVEN IF THEY'RE IN DRAINAGE, EASEMENTS, THAT TYPE OF THING THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

IT'S ONLY A CITY INFRASTRUCTURE IS BEING THREATENED BY THE CITY OF ARLINGTON.

UM, I DID NOT SPEAK TO ANYONE SPECIFICALLY AT THE CITY OF ARLINGTON, UH, CALLED LEFT A MESSAGE.

THEY SENT ME AN EMAIL, MADE THEIR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.

SO I SAT DOWN WITH A 900 PAGE DOCUMENT AND READ THROUGH IT, LOOKING FOR EROSION AND, AND WHAT I, WHAT I PULLED FROM THAT AND WAS ABLE TO FINALLY AMASS FROM ALL OF THIS IS THAT THE CITY ONLY PROTECTS AGAIN, ITS OWN INFRASTRUCTURE SIMILAR TO, TO RICHARDSON, UH, STREETS, ALLEYS, WATER, WASTEWATER, DRAINAGE, OUTFALLS, THE CITY PROPERTY MAINTENANCE OF STREAMS, OR THE PROPERTY OWNERS RESPONSIBILITY, INCLUDING THE INDIVIDUALS, HOA BUSINESSES, ET CETERA.

AND THE CITY WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN PRIVATE PROPERTY EROSION ISSUES.

THAT'S WHAT I PULLED FROM ALL THAT INFORMATION IS THAT THEY DON'T PARTICIPATE AT ALL.

IT'S JUST STRICTLY CITY INFRASTRUCTURE.

VERY SIMILAR TO RICHARDSON.

CITY OF IRVING IS IN THERE.

THEY WERE PROBABLY THE MOST UNIQUE MAJORITY OF THEIR CREEKS AND CHANNELS AND STREAMS IN THE CITY OF IRVING ARE ALREADY PAVED CHANNEL PAVE.

THEY DID THIS MOSTLY BACK IN THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES AND A CONCRETE LINE.

MOST OF MOST OF THE TIME, IT'S YOUR TRAPEZOIDAL TYPE CHANNEL PAVING THAT YOU SEE IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS.

HOWEVER, THE CITY HAS AN ESTIMATED $300 MILLION WORTH OF DRAINAGE REPLACEMENTS AND IMPROVEMENTS ON THESE STREAMS. THEY'VE, THEY'VE ANALYZED IT HERE RECENTLY AND JUST YOU, YOU CAN ARMOR CREEK, BUT YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE SHIFTING SOILS MOVEMENT.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, UM, EVEN EROSION OVER THE TOPS OF THESE FROM TIME TO TIME, THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE CAVITATION BEHIND THE WALLS, THAT TYPE OF THING, AND THE CHANNEL IMPROVEMENTS.

SO THEY'VE ESTIMATED THEY HAVE ABOUT $300 MILLION IN A, IN A STUDY ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO.

AND THE CITY IS COMMITTED TO ADDRESS APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED MILLION OF THIS AT THIS TIME.

AND IRVING DOES NOT ADDRESS OR PARTICIPATE IN ANY NEW EROSION PROJECTS, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE ENOUGH ON THEIR PLATE WITH THE, WITH THESE REPAIRS.

NOW, AS, I DON'T KNOW IF MATT IS STILL HERE, BUT, UM, BUT THERE'S A FIVE-YEAR PLAN TO RAISE THEIR MA MUNICIPAL DRAINAGE UTILITY FEE.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN YEAR THREE RIGHT NOW, AND THEY'RE RAISING US FOR THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS FROM $4 TO $12 A MONTH AFTER FEE OR PER MONTH PER PROPERTY OWNER, UM, AFTER FIVE YEARS.

AND AGAIN, THEY'RE IN THEIR THIRD YEAR RIGHT NOW.

SO THEY'VE ALREADY INCREASED THEIR STORMWATER FEE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS AT THIS POINT.

I DIDN'T ASK THAT QUESTION, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE RAISING IT, UM, $8 OVER THE NEXT, UM, FROM THREE YEARS AGO TO TWO YEARS FROM NOW TO FUND THAT A HUNDRED MILLION.

SO THEY'VE, THEY'VE SOUGHT UP AN ISSUE THAT THEY'VE HAD, BUT AGAIN, EVEN AFTER THIS A HUNDRED MILLION, I THINK, UH, WHEN TALKING WITH THEM, THEY SAID THAT $12 SHOULD BE ABLE TO FUND SOME OF THE OTHER 200 MILLION REMAINING ON THOSE PROJECTS THAT THEY HAVE TO GO REPAIR AND THEIR STREAMS AND CREEKS CITIES THAT I CONTACTED.

BUT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS THAT HAVE RECEIVED ZERO RESPONSE FROM OBVIOUSLY CARROLLTON, FARMERS, BRANCH, AND MCKINNEY, BUT ALSO I KNOW I'VE CALLED AUSTIN THREE, I MEAN FOUR TO FIVE, MAYBE EVEN SIX TIMES.

I HAVEN'T FOUND A GENTLEMAN'S NAME IN THERE THAT, THAT WROTE A REPORT BACK IN 2017, HE HAD HIS CONTACT INFORMATION IN THERE AND I THOUGHT, OH, HE'D BE A GREAT RESOURCE.

I HAVE NOT HEARD BACK FROM HIM AS WELL.

SO, UM, WITH THAT, I COULDN'T PULL ANY INFORMATION FROM THESE PROPERTY OR FROM THESE CITIES.

SO WHAT I WANTED TO GET TO IS WHAT YOU WERE ALLUDING TO A LITTLE BIT EARLIER ABOUT HOW MANY MILES OF STREAMS AND CREEKS WE HAVE IN GARLAND.

WE HAVE 93 MILES OF CREEKS AND STREAMS IN GARLAND.

NINE MILES ARE ACTUALLY PAVED CONCRETE CHANNEL LINED AREAS THAT WERE PAVED YEARS AND YEARS AGO, TWO MILES ARE ESTIMATED ARMORED WITH GABIONS AND OUR RATBAG WALLS.

UM, THIS BEING BOTH SIDES OF THE CHANNEL, BOTH SIDES OF THE CHANNEL.

SO BASICALLY FOUR MILES, UM, 16

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MILES, OUR GREENBELT AREAS.

I SUBTRACTED THAT OUT RALLY CREEK WHERE WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY, UM, EROSION PROJECTS ALONG THAT CREEK, THE WAY WE'VE DEVELOPED IT.

AND, UM, AND ALSO IT'S A LOT OF IT IS UNDEVELOPED STILL AT THIS TIME, ALSO IN THE, UH, DUCK CREEK AREA, I SUBTRACTED OUT THE, THE, UM, OAK RIDGE COUNTRY CLUB AND A FEW OTHER AREAS, UM, ON RELIC CREEK, WE ALSO SUBTRACTED OUT ROLLA AND SPRING CREEKS.

WE SUBTRACTED OUT THE GOLF COURSE UP THERE IN FARWELL GOLF COURSE.

SO THERE'S 16 MILES THAT HAVE BEEN DEDUCTED FROM THE GREENBELTS AND PARKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE WHERE WE WOULDN'T THE PARTICIPATION.

SO THAT LEAVES ABOUT 66 MILES REMAINING OF NATURAL CREEKS AND STREAMS. AND YOU LOCKED IN, ARE YOU READY FOR THE NUMBER OF THE NEXT PAGE IS THE ULTIMATE.

SO MULTIPLYING ALL THIS OUT BY THE TOTAL LINEAR FEET TIMES, BOTH SIDES IS A LITTLE OVER 700 OR ALMOST 700 LINEAR THOUSAND LINEAR FEET, ASSUMING 12 FOOT HIGH AVERAGE HEIGHT OF EROSION PROTECTION.

AND IT GIVES YOU A TOTAL WALL FACE OF ALMOST A MILLION SQUARE YARDS, JUST THE UNDER OUR CURRENT CONTRACT, THE RF BAG WALL CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE THAT WE JUST APPROVED AT THE LAST, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS A COUNCIL MEETING OR TWO AGO IS $675 A SQUARE YARD.

SO THE TOTAL ESTIMATED AMOUNT IS JUST OVER 600 AND ALMOST $630 MILLION TO ARMOR THE BANKS THAT ARE LEFT IN, IN, UH, GARLAND THAT ARE NOT IN PARKS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE BEHIND THESE, THESE PRIVATE PROPERTIES AND BUSINESSES AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

NOW THIS COST DOES NOT INCLUDE FENCES, REMOVAL, ITEMS, VEGETATION, YOU KNOW, TOPSOIL, THAT TYPE OF THING.

THAT'S ALL ADDITIONAL.

SO IF YOU TAKE THAT 696,000, ALMOST 700,000 LINEAR FEET, AND YOU, AND YOU, YOU ADD ALL THAT BACK IN YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUSHING PROBABLY CLOSER TO 700,000 OR 700 MILLION, EXCUSE ME, 700 MILLION.

UM, I DO WANT TO ADD ONE OTHER THING.

UH, THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS HAS A THRESHOLD OF 500 LINEAR FEET OF CHANNEL BANK DISTURBANCE IMPROVEMENTS.

UM, BEFORE AN ENVIRONMENTAL MITIGATION IS TRIGGERED.

SO YOU CAN ONLY GO 500 FEET BEFORE YOU HAVE TO APPLY TO THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS.

IF IT'S SMALL ENOUGH, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET UNDER A NATIONWIDE PERMIT, BUT, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SMILING ABOUT THIS, BUT, BUT IN, IN SOME CASES I HAD EXPERIENCED WITH THIS BACK IN THE NINETIES, WE CONSTRUCTED A GABION WALL, UM, IN THE, UH, DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT OVER OFF OF THE CHERRY BOOKER APARTMENTS, RIGHT ON WALNUT STREET, THERE WERE THREE APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

THERE WERE ABOUT 1200 FEET AND THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS REQUIRED US TO MITIGATE OR ENVIRONMENTAL OR FOR ENVIRONMENTAL REASONS.

FORTUNATELY, THE CITY OF GOLDEN HAD MONTGOMERY.

I THINK IT WAS MONTGOMERY PARK RIGHT ACROSS THE CREEK FROM THE APARTMENTS.

SO WE WERE ABLE TO MITIGATE OUR OWN PARK AT THAT LOCATION.

WE PLANTED TREES HAVE HAD TO PUT IRRIGATION BECAUSE IT WAS REQUIRED BY THE CORPS.

AND THAT ADDED ABOUT 20 TO 23% TO THE OVERALL CONSTRUCTION COSTS OF THE, OF THE IMPROVEMENTS.

AND SO WITH THAT, I, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO ADD THAT IN THERE THAT THAT'S DOING THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS, LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING, YOU'RE ABLE TO AVOID SOME OF THIS.

NOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET ANYBODY REPORTS.

IF YOU HAVE TWO OR 3, 4, 5, 6 IN A ROW, NOW YOU'RE GETTING OVER YOUR 500 FEET.

UH, AT SOME POINT YOU'VE GOT TO GO TO THE CORE AND, AND KNOCK ON THEIR DOOR AND SAY, LOOK, WE'VE, WE'VE IMPROVED.

AND WE'RE, WE'RE HITTING THAT THRESHOLD.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO, WE'D HAVE TO APPROACH THE CORE AT THAT TIME.

UM, WHAT I WANTED TO ADD IS, IS WHAT WE'VE SEEN.

THIS IS OVER HERE OFF OF, UH, BELIEVE, UM, IT'S, UH, EDGEBROOK DRIVE.

THIS IS THAT WALL.

THIS WALL I THINK, WAS BUILT BACK FROM WHAT BEST RECORDS THAT WE CAN FIND WAS BUILT BACK IN THE FORTIES BEFORE THIS AREA WAS ACTUALLY ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OF GARLAND.

AND, UM, THIS WALL I BELIEVE WAS PUT IN YEARS AND YEARS AGO.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A TEXTILE PROJECT.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A PRIVATE PROJECT, BUT THE CITY DID NOT CONSTRUCT THIS WALL, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, CREEKS WILL CONTINUE TO ERODE OVER TIME, NO MATTER WHAT ARMORING YOU PUT IN THERE, AND THERE WILL BE MAINTENANCE IN THE FUTURE FOR ANYTHING YOU CONSTRUCT IN A CREEK.

AND THIS, UH, THIS IS JUST A CLASSIC CASE, UM, WHERE IT SHOWS, HEY, IT'S TIME THAT THIS NEEDS TO HAVE SOMETHING DONE.

NOW, THE, THE COST TO ACTUALLY TAKE THIS WALL OUT AND PUT IN A GABION WALL AND, OR THE RF BAG WALL, WE GAVE THEM A COST ESTIMATE FOR THIS, BUT IT EXCEEDED THE COST OF, OR THE VALUE OF THE HOME ITSELF AND THE PROPERTY.

SO AT SOME POINT THAT'S THE OTHER ISSUE THAT YOU'RE FACED WITH, OF, OF TRYING

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TO REPLACE THESE WALLS.

ONCE THEY GET TO A POINT LIKE THIS, NO ONE THAT WE DID HAVE HERE RECENTLY WAS UP THERE IN, UM, SPRING PARK.

THIS IS A ACTUALLY BACKING UP TO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION PROPERTY.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE, IN THE PICTURE TO THE LEFT, THERE WERE SOME GABION WALLS THAT WERE INSTALLED WITH THE SUBDIVISION BACK YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE IN THE, IN THE MID EIGHTIES, MAYBE LATE EIGHTIES, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

AND THEN, UM, OVER TIME, THE BANK HAD ERODED AND THEY WERE, THEY WERE IN JEOPARDY OF LOSING THESE WALLS.

AND SO THEY, THEY CONTACTED THE CITY ON, ON THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, THE DRAINAGE PARTICIPATION PROGRAM AND SAID, WELL, YOU PARTICIPATE WITH US BECAUSE ABOUT 20 FEET, THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS WALL ARE ACTUALLY PRIVATE PROPERTIES WITH HOUSES THAT ARE JUST BACKING RIGHT UP TO THAT AREA WITH EVEN THEIR EVEN ELEVATED WITH THEIR OWN RETAINING WALL.

SO IT'S STACKED UP OUT HERE.

SO THE, THE CITY PARTICIPATED AND THIS PROJECT HERE IS, AS YOU SEE ON THE LEFT, IS I ON THE RIGHT? THE, THE GABION OR THE BACK WALL WE PUT IN IS ANYWHERE FROM 25 TO 35 FEET IN HEIGHT THAT ARMORS THAT BANK, IT'S A LONG, OBVIOUSLY A OUTSIDE CURVE OF THE CREEK AS WELL.

AND, UM, BUT AGAIN, THE HOA PARTICIPATED WITH US IN, IN THIS PROGRAM AND CONSTRUCTED THAT TO PROTECT THE WALLS THAT WERE THERE.

BUT AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF, OF WHEN THEY BUILT THESE RE THESE GABION WALLS TO, TO PROTECT THAT AREA.

THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD HAD IT FIGURED OUT EVEN IN THE EIGHTIES, AND IT'S ERODED TO THIS POINT ALL THE WAY UP TO THEIR PROPERTY.

SO WITH THAT, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, THAT THE COMMITTEE AS WELL VERSED ON, EVEN IF WE GO THROUGH AND YOU WANT TO ARMOR EVERY BANK IN THE, IN, UP AND DOWN GARLAND, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE IN THE FUTURE, UM, MAYBE 40, 50 YEARS FROM NOW, BUT THERE WILL BE MAINTENANCE THAT WILL NEED TO BE HAD ON THESE WALLS AS WELL.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

UM, THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I, YEAH, I MET, WELL, ONE COMMENT THOUGH.

I DON'T THINK OBVIOUSLY FROM THE NUMBERS ARMORING IS NOT THE SOLUTION FOR EVERYWHERE.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE MOST EXTREME, SO WE CAN DIAL THAT BACK SIGNIFICANTLY.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE PROBLEM.

THERE IS EVEN HOUSTON, WHICH HAS THEIR BUYERS.

THEY THOUGHT THE TRAP HAS OIL CHANNEL OR CONCRETE LINE CHANNELS WERE THE BEST SOLUTION.

AND NOW THEIR SUMMARY HAS TAKEN THOSE OUT AND MAKE IT MORE OF A NATURAL CHANNEL THAT THAT'LL ACTUALLY SLOW DOWN THE WATER RATHER THAN A CONCRETE ONE WHERE JUST SHOOTS DOWN AND IT'S ABOUT GETTING OUT FASTER, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO, I MEAN, THERE'S SOME OTHER SOLUTIONS POSSIBLY, AND, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD LOOK AT THOSE CERTAINLY, BUT JUST LINING EVERYTHING, NOT NECESSARILY THE SOLUTION, BUT IT'S SO, AND THAT WAS THE SAME THOUGHT THAT I HAD IS THAT, UH, I DON'T THINK WOULD NOT, NOT EVERY CREEK.

I MEAN, AT SOME POINT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED YEARS, EVERY CREE, YOU'D SAY ALL THESE CREEKS HAVE GROWN ENOUGH TO NEED, YOU KNOW, ARMORING OR WHATEVER, BUT, BUT MANY OF THEM THROUGHOUT THE CITY DON'T, DON'T APPEAR TO NEED.

I MEAN, THERE ARE OTHER METHODS OF EROSION CONTROL AND, UM, SO THAT THEY MAY BE MORE SUITABLE FOR THAT.

AND THAT WAS MY INTEREST WITH AUSTIN IS THAT AT SOME POINT I, I LOOKED AT THEM AND THEY HAD CLASSIFIED EACH CREEK ON A SCALE THAT HAD LIKE SIX CATEGORIES.

AND YEAH, THERE WAS A CATEGORY THAT WOULD REQUIRE YOU, OR MAYBE EVEN SEVERAL CATEGORIES THAT REQUIRED CERTAIN TYPES OF ARMORING.

BUT THEN THERE WERE OTHER CATEGORIES THAT WERE BASICALLY LIKE, WHY DON'T WE JUST PLANT SOME GRASS, UM, OR OTHER VEGETATION OR PARTICULAR TYPES OF VEGETATION THAT WERE MORE LIKELY TO BE, CAUSE THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE BEST TYPE OF VEGETATION TO PLANT, TO PREVENT EROSION WHEN THERE'S, WHEN THERE'S FLOODING OR WHATEVER ELSE.

SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE IDEA THERE.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S THE BIG NUMBER.

I MEAN, THAT IS A BIG, SCARY NUMBER, $700 MILLION.

UM, BUT, BUT I THINK THERE ARE OTHER NUMBERS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT MIGHT WORK BETTER AND, AND MAYBE SOMETHING THEN TO LOOK AT IS IT, AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE GRAPPLED.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT THE FIRST TO GRAPPLE WITH THIS.

UM, IT WAS INTERESTING.

THE ONE COMMON THREAD THROUGH ALL THOSE CITIES IS THAT THEY DIDN'T PARTICIPATE IN PRIVATE PROJECTS.

THEY ONLY WANTED, THEY WERE INTERESTED IN PROTECTING THEIR OWN INFRASTRUCTURE.

WELL, SOME OF THEM WERE, SOME OF THEM WERE OUR OWN IT, THERE WERE ALL, I GUESS, IT'S, I GUESS THERE'S A, THERE'S THE, THE, THE FIRST TRAUNCH OF THEM WERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO GO WHERE THERE'S AN EASEMENT AND PRETTY MUCH ALL OF OUR CREEKS HAVE DRAINAGE, EASEMENTS, I THINK,

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NOT THROUGH CAMELOT OR REALLY.

UM, AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE A MATTER OF, KIND OF, IT'S A MATTER OF KIND OF BREAKING DOWN THE PROBLEM AND SEE, SEE WHERE IT GOES, LIKE, WHICH ONES HAVE DRAINED, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY ARE COVERED BY DRAINAGE EASEMENTS? HOW MANY ARE NOT, IF WE GO THIS WAY OR THAT WAY, AND THEN YOU HAD SOME LIKE RICHARDSON, IT'S LIKE, WE MAY HAVE A DRAINAGE EASEMENT THERE, BUT IF THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CARE ABOUT GETTING ERODED THEN.

SO WHAT, UM, WHICH IS AN INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE.

I MEAN, I CARE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EVEN ON A VALUATION THING, IT'S LIKE WHAT, CAUSE HERE'S THE THING.

WHAT WE DETERMINED, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS AGO WOULD HAVE BEEN A SUFFICIENT VALUE, AN INSUFFICIENT VALUATION TO PROTECT A PIECE OF PROPERTY TO MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE.

NOW, THE, NOW IT'S ALL CHANGED RIGHT NOW.

WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, CRAZY INCREASES IN VALUATIONS AND OTHER STUFF IN, SO THE DYNAMICS OF THAT CHANGE, BUT MAYBE THE THING TO DO IS WHAT RICHARDSON DOES IS TO MAYBE MAYBE A FIRST STEP ON THAT IS, IS TO, TO HAVE A STUDY, MAYBE FUND THAT THROUGH DRAINAGE PARTICIPATION.

YOU KNOW, THERE ARE STORMWATER FEE AND DO A STUDY THAT SURELY THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO WILL COME MAP IN CLASSIFY AND IDENTIFY, THEY WILL DO THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.

UM, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT WE, YEAH, I MEAN, SAME AS OTHER MASTERS.

WE DO THE SAME DIVERSE STREETS.

WE GO OUT AND DRIVE EVERY STREET AND EVERY LANE MILE AND, AND THERE ARE, WE CAN DO THE SAME.

YEAH.

YOU COULD DRIVE EVERY LANE.

AND THERE ARE LOTS OF I'VE HAD, I'VE BEEN BUTTONHOLED BY A LOT OF THOSE FOLKS WHO WILL STILL DO THE LIDAR AND THEY'LL SCAN LIKE EVERY, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL, THEY'LL SCAN THE STREET IN THE SIDEWALK AND EVERY OTHER ASSET THAT YOU HAVE, WHICH ANSWERS THE QUESTION.

CAUSE I THINK WASN'T IT SOMETHING RECENTLY WHERE IT WAS LIKE, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY LIGHT POLES, HOW MANY LIGHT POLES WE HAVE IN THE CITY, OR WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FIRE HYDRANTS WE PROBABLY, I WOULD THINK WE'D KNOW FIRE.

YEAH.

YEAH.

AND NOW WE DO, BUT YEAH.

BUT YEAH, THERE'S GETS OLD TO DO THAT ALL THE, TO GO.

OKAY, WELL MAYBE THE, THE RECOMMENDATION, I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY.

I THINK THAT IS THE FIRST STEP IN GETTING DOWN FROM THE $700 MILLION TO A NUMBER THAT'S BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE A STUDY DONE THAT SAYS HERE'S ARE YOUR PROBLEM AREAS FOCUS ON THESE FOR 50 MILLION OR A HUNDRED MILLION FIRST, AND THEN YOU CAN GO FROM THERE AGAIN, IDENTIFY THEM ALMOST LIKE WE DO WITH THIS.

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL IN THE BOND PROGRAM TO KNOW HERE'S YOUR REAL PROBLEMS. IT MAY BE SOME MORE THAN HERE'S JUST THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE, NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE SCIENTIFIC, I DON'T KNOW, BUT STILL YOU HAVE TO WEIGH THE COMPLAINTS OF COURSE, BUT UH, AT LEAST PUT SOME DATA TO IT.

YES.

I AGREE THAT THE STUDY SEEMS TO BE ONE OF THE BEST ROUTES TO GO.

AND AS YOU WERE GOING THROUGH THE DIFFERENT, UH, CITIES, UH, I KIND OF FOUND IT IRONIC THAT CITY IS GOING TO CONTINUE THE ONE CITY THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO INCREASE THE RATES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE CHARGING, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PARTICIPATE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO NEEDED THE PROBLEM.

SO THEY GOT A PLAN AND THEY'RE STICKING IT HERE.

I THINK GOD BLESS THEM.

THEY'VE THEY'VE GOT A PLAN AND THEY'VE, I GUESS I FEEL THEY'VE IDENTIFIED ALL THE PROBLEMS IN THE CITY AND TOOK CARE OF HIM 50 YEARS AGO.

YEAH.

I DO AGREE THAT THE STUDY SEEMS TO ME TO BE PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST ROUTES TO GO, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT THEN YOU IDENTIFY ALL OF YOUR PROBLEM AREAS AND UH, THOSE OTHERS, YOU KNOW, THAT PHASES, THIS IS THE BEST, THIS IS THE SECOND AND HE, AND SO AND SO FORTH.

SO THAT WOULD BE A VERY, YEAH.

A MASTERPLAN OF SORTS.

GREEK MADELINE YOU'VE SEEM TO BE DOING MASTER PLANS FOR EVERY OTHER ONE, NOT JUST BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE PROBLEM, IDENTIFY WHICH OF THEM, YOU KNOW, BREAK IT DOWN BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AND OTHER STUFF.

UH, YOU WALKING IN THE DARK, I MEAN, YOU JUST, YEAH.

AND IT GOES OFF COMPLAINTS.

THAT SEEMS TO BE ALL THE OTHER CITIES TAKE CALLS FOR AND THAT, AND THEN THEY DID ADDRESS IT FROM THERE.

SO BETTER WAY TO DO IT, PERHAPS.

YEAH.

AND THEN, THEN WE CAN ALSO WORK AROUND THINGS LIKE 500 FOOT LIMITATIONS OR SIT DOWN WITH THE CORE AND WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE IF WE DID X AND Y AND Z? AND THE OTHER THING THAT WE'LL ADD TO THIS, THAT I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO FOLLOW UP ON YET, BUT, UM, I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH, UM, COUNTY COMMISSIONER DANIEL WHEN I WAS AT THE MOST RECENT RTC MEETING.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC PROBLEM AND THEY MAY BE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING WITH US ON SOME OF THIS AND THE, THE, THE REASONING BEHIND THAT BEING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE JUST RECENTLY AND OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, SOLD OUT A BUNCH OF MONEY FOR REPAIRING BRIDGES THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, BRIDGES THAT HAVE BEEN DAMAGED BY DEBRIS COMING DOWN THE STREAMS. AND SO, UM, THEY

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MIGHT BE THEM, THEY MIGHT, THEY MIGHT BE WILLING TO KICK IN SOME, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING.

SO I'M GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH, WITH SOMEONE OVER THERE.

UH, AND, AND PERHAPS WE CAN PULL SOME ADDITIONAL AND I MEAN, ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING WE CAN GET NOW THAT MAY BE SPECIFIC.

WE MAY HAVE TO SAY, OKAY, HERE'S WE MAY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BREAK DOWN WHEN WE DO A STUDY, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE DENSITY OF, OF TREES AND HOW CLOSE IS IT TO A BRIDGE OR, OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT THAT'S AWESOME FOR THE CONSULTANTS CAN HELP US WITH.

AND THE CONSULTANTS ALSO CAN HELP US NAVIGATE THE CORE ISSUES BECAUSE THEY SPECIALIZE IN THAT ALL THE TIME.

I HAVE THAT AS A YEAH, JUST ADD PARAMETERS TO IT, BECAUSE WHAT WE DO HAVE HAPPEN IS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE, A LOT OF THE EROSION IS ON THESE BANKS IS IN AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

AND THEY HAVE VERY LARGE TREES AND THE TREES LITERALLY JUST FLOAT ON DOWN.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED AT, UH, WAS IT PLEASANT VALLEY THAT STORY THERE, THAT THE BRIDGE THERE THAT IS, I THINK IT'S SPRING IS THAT SPRING CREEK RIGHT THERE, THAT I LIKED CREEK WHERE WE DIDN'T EVEN, YOU'RE TALKING, YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE OLD BRIDGE, THE OLD BRIDGE BRIDGE WHERE IT BENT THE, IT TOOK OUT SOME OF THE SUPPORTS.

AND WE DIDN'T KNOW AT FIRST WE DIDN'T KNOW FOR A WHILE THAT THE SUPPORTS WERE GONE.

AND, BUT FORTUNATELY IT WAS ON THE, IT WAS ON THE RETURN SIDE FROM THE LANDFILL.

SO IT WASN'T OUR FULLY LADEN LANDFILL VEHICLES GOING OUT TO THE LANDFILL WAS THE EMPTY ONES.

ALL THE FACTOR OF SAFETY.

YEAH.

RIGHT.

YES.

SO, OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS? SO MY THOUGHT ON THIS COUNCIL, CAUSE WE, WE ARE A COMMITTEE BECAUSE WE HAD PREVIOUSLY KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH THE COUNCIL IS TO COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT, AND WHETHER THAT'S FUNDED OUT OF STORM WATER OR SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT WE, THAT WE GET SOME KIND OF MASTER PLAN BID OUT AND WE PUT THAT IN THE NEXT BUDGET, THE COMING BUDGET, DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE? AND THEN ONCE WE GET THAT, Y'ALL CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT A PLAN WILL LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE I'LL BE GONE.

I'M NOT CERTAIN WHAT, HOW MANY MILES OF CREEK AND STREAMS RICHARDSON EVALUATES? I DO KNOW THAT HE TOLD ME THERE THEIR CONTRACT THIS LAST TIME, I THINK WAS LIKE AROUND 250,000 FOR THE EVALUATION OF THEIR STREAMS. YEAH.

THAT NUMBER DOES NOT SHOCK ME WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING IT.

I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A LOT MORE, UH, INVOLVED TO EVALUATE SOME OF THESE STREAMS. ALTHOUGH YOU COULD PROBABLY DO A LOT OF IT BY DRONE NOW, UM, THAN IT IS TO EVALUATE THE STREETS WHERE WE JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY LITERALLY HAVE THOSE, THE LIDAR TRUCKS THAT'LL DRIVE RIGHT DOWN.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, SIR.

AND WITH THAT, IT IT'S LIKE THE SECOND MONTH IN A ROW WHERE WE'VE EXTENDED THE, THE MEETING TIME TO MAKE SURE WE CAN COVER EVERYTHING, BUT WE ACTUALLY COVERED IT IN THE HOUR.

SO, UM, WITH THAT, WE WILL ADJOURN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.