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WELL, GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE MAY 17TH, 2022 REGULAR MEETING OF THE GARLAND CITY COUNCIL.

IT IS A CUSTOMER TRADITION OF THIS COUNCIL TO HAVE AN INVOCATION AND RECITAL OF THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

UH, BEFORE OUR MEETING LED BY ONE OF OUR MEMBERS, UH, YOU ARE INVITED TO PARTICIPATE IF YOU SO CHOOSE.

UH, IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO, THAT WILL HAVE NO IMPACT ON YOUR CHOICE WILL HAVE NO IMPACT ON THE DECISIONS WE MAKE HERE THIS EVENING.

AND, UH, TONIGHT, UH, WE WILL BE LED BY A COUNCIL MEMBER MORE FROM DISTRICT THREE, SIR, OPEN THE EYES OF MY HEART OR OPEN THE EYE IS MY HEART.

I WANT TO SEE, I WANT TO SEE YOU PROBABLY GOT WIENER INTO YOUR PRESENCE TONIGHT WITH THAT THEME IN MIND, OPEN THE EYES OF OUR HEART.

WHEN YOU OPEN THE EYES OF OUR HEARTS, LORD, WE SEE THOSE THINGS IN THE WORLD THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU.

PEOPLE LIVING TOGETHER IN UNITY AND HARMONY, LA CONQUERING HATE POLITICAL PARTIES, WORKING TOGETHER FOR THE GOOD OF THE NATION.

WHEN WE SEE THROUGH YOUR EYES, WE SEE ONE NATION UNDER GOD WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.

FOR ALL.

WHEN WE SEE THROUGH YOUR EYES, WE RECALL THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL AND ENDOWED WITH CERTAIN INALIENABLE RIGHTS AND AMONG THESE OTHER RIGHTS OF LIBERTY LIFE AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS LORD, WE ASKED, AND I DID YOU OPEN THE EYES OF OUR HEARTS SO THAT NATIONS DON'T ATTACK ONE ANOTHER, BUT ATTEMPT TO LIVE IN PEACE, THE SHALOM OF THE CITY, OPEN THE EYES OF OUR HEARTS SO THAT WE CAN SEE YOU HIGH AND LIFTED UP SHINY IN THE LIGHT OF YOUR GLORY, POUR OUT YOUR POWER IN LOVE SO THAT WE CAN SEE GLORY, HALLELUJAH, GLORY, HALLELUJAH, GLORY, HALLELUJAH, IN THE PRECIOUS AND MATCHES NAME OF JESUS TO CHRIST.

WE PRAY.

AND ALL OF GOD'S CHILDREN TOGETHER SAID JOHN WOULD BE NOW IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, LIBERTY AND WELL,

[Mayoral Proclamations, Recognitions, and Announcements]

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

UH, IT'S GOOD.

I ALWAYS LIKE IT, NO MATTER WHAT THE CASE, NO MATTER WHAT THE SITUATION, UH, TO SEE MORE FACES IN THIS ROOM THAN EMPTY CHAIRS, THAT IS ALWAYS THAT, THAT IS ALWAYS VERY, VERY REASSURING.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, I WOULD, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS AND FAMILY HERE, UH, THE SEASONING AND I WOULD BE PROBABLY OUT OF LINE IF I DIDN'T, IF I DIDN'T ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, SOME OF OUR, UH, FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WERE HERE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SIT BACK HERE, YOU'RE CALLED HONORABLE.

WHEN YOU SIT OUT THERE, YOU'RE FORMERLY HONORABLE.

SO, UH, BUT UH, WE HAVE JACKIE FAGAN IN DISTRICT FIVE.

WE HAVE STEVEN STANLEY DISTRICT THREE.

WE HAVE JIM BOOKOUT FROM DISTRICT FOUR.

UH, ALL HAVE SERVED, UH, SERVED THIS CITY ON THIS COUNCIL, UH, FOR OVER THE YEARS.

SO NICE TO SEE YOU ALL HERE.

UM, AND IF I COULD HAVE, UH, THE DEFAZIO FAMILY COME FORWARD, I THINK THERE'S, YOU CAN COME AROUND THIS SIDE.

UH, YOU KNOW, WE ARE HERE TONIGHT, UH, TO HONOR MR. JERRY DEFAZIO.

UH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF GARLAND, UH, IS VERY BLESSED TO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WILL GIVE A LOT OF THEIR TIME FOR FREE A LOT OF TIMES, UH, TO SERVE, TO SERVE THE CITY, TO DO SOMETHING, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AND, UH,

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MR. VALLEJO, JERRY WAS, UH, WAS CERTAINLY ONE OF THOSE FOLKS.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, UH, ON APRIL 1ST, WE VERY UNEXPECTEDLY, UH, LOST HIM.

SO, UH, WE HAVE INVITED THE FAMILY HERE TONIGHT AND ALSO, UH, HIS FRIENDS FROM, UH, THE, THE NOON EXCHANGE CLUB, UH, TO BE HERE, UH, TO, UH, TO KIND OF HONOR HIM A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT HERE IN THE COUNCIL, CHAMBERS, EXCUSE ME.

UM, SO I HAVE, UH, HAVE, UH, A RECOGNITION HERE AND YES, THEY HAVE TO PRINT IT ON ME ON PAPER THAT I CAN ACTUALLY READ STANDING HERE.

UM, BUT, UH, IN HONOR OF MR. JERRY TO FAIL, WHEREAS THE CITY OF GARLAND HAS A LONG HISTORY AND PROUD HISTORY OF ITS CITIZENS, STEPPING UP WITH THEIR TIME AND TALENTS TO SERVE THEIR NEIGHBORS IN THE CITY AS A WHOLE.

AND WHEREAS ONE OF THE CITY OF GARLANDS OLDEST CIVIC ORGANIZATION, UH, ORGANIZATIONS IS THE GARLAND NEWT EXCHANGE CLUB.

THE EXCHANGE CLUB WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1982 AND RECENTLY CELEBRATED ITS 40TH ANNIVERSARY ON MARCH 30TH.

ONE OF ITS FOUNDING MEMBERS AND LONG TIME CITY OF GARLAND RESIDENT AND COMMUNITY LEADER WAS MR. JERRY DEFAZIO, MR. FAZIO, EXCUSE ME, HAD BEEN A MEMBER AND SERVED IN MANY ROLES, UH, FROM ITS FIRST TREASURER TO VICE PRESIDENT AND PRESIDENT A NUMBER OF TIMES, UH, OVER THE PAST 40 YEARS.

AND THAT SEEMS TO HAPPEN IN A LOT OF GROUPS.

YOU JUST KIND OF ROTATE FROM JOB TO JOB AND, AND, AND JERRY ABSOLUTELY WAS PART OF THAT.

AND, UH, WHEREAS MR. DEFAZIO ALSO HELD A NUMBER OF POSITIONS WITH THE REGIONAL AND NATIONAL EXCHANGE CLUB.

MR. DUFFIELD HELD THE POSITION OF REGIONAL VP FOR DISTRICT FIVE FOR SIX YEARS, AND IT WAS NATIONAL PRESIDENT ELECT IN 2003 AND NATIONAL PRESIDENT IN 2004.

AND WHEREAS MR. DEFAZIO LOVED BRINGING IN NEW MEMBERS INTO THE EXCHANGE CLUB AND HAD A PERSONAL GOAL OF GETTING 500 MEMBERS.

UH, THE LAST MEMBER HE ENROLLED WAS, UH, GIS D TRUSTEE DAPHNE STANLEY, WHO WAS HERE WITH US AS WELL TONIGHT.

AND THAT WAS HIS 490TH MEMBER, UH, TO JOIN THE EXCHANGE CLUB.

UH, MR. HAD THE HONOR OF SERVING IN MANY ROLES WITH THE GARLAND NUDE EXCHANGE, NONE CLOSER TO HIS HEART THAN THE ANNUAL GIS D STUDENT CHRISTMAS LUNCHEON.

UH, THIS YEAR, UH, THE EXCHANGE CLUB WAS ABLE TO SERVE ALL 47 ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN GI ISD AND WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE LUNCH AND CHRISTMAS GIFTS FOR OVER 400 STUDENTS.

I CAN TELL YOU, IT TOOK UP THE ENTIRE FLOOR OF THE CALDWELL CENTER.

UM, AND, UH, AND IT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE STUDENTS WHO OTHERWISE PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD MUCH OF A CHRISTMAS, UH, AND JERRY WAS VERY MUCH PART OF THAT.

AND AS FAR AS THE CITY OF GARLAND, UH, MR. , UH, HAD ALMOST 30 YEARS OF SERVICE, UH, TO THE CITY OF GARLAND, UH, THROUGH OUR, UH, OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS SERVING ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND HE FINISHED HIS SERVICE, UH, ON THE SENIOR CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD.

UH, SO NOW THERE ARE FOUR EYES, SCOTLAND NIGHTMARE, THE CITY OF GARLAND, ALONG WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, DO CONVEY THE SPECIAL RECOGNITION UPON MR. JERRY TO FAIL ON THIS DAY.

UH, THE 17TH OF MAY, 2022, OKAY.

BEING HERE AND BEING, UH, INTRODUCE YOURSELF, I'LL FIND MARY TO I, OH, IN, UM, APPRECIATE THE JERRY WOULD BE HONORED FOR THIS RISK RECOGNITION.

AND HE LOVED WORKING ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, AND WE ALL KNOW HOW MUCH HE LOVED EXCHANGE.

AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THIS RECOGNITION.

THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS TROY TO FAIL.

AND, UH, I JUST, ON BEHALF OF THE, OUR FAMILY ALSO JUST WANT TO JUST SAY WE ARE TRULY HUMBLED AND VERY GRATEFUL FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU GUYS.

THANK YOU, MR. MOYER.

UH, I'VE GOTTEN A CHANCE TO MEET HIM SEVERAL TIMES AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRAYER AND YOUR SONG.

AND, UM, SO WE JUST WANT TO JUST SAY, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR COMING AND BEING A PART OF THIS.

AND, UH, WE ARE TRULY GRATEFUL FOR YOU BEING HERE.

UM, WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF WORDS, BUT JUST, I JUST WANT TO JUST SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THIS IS A, UH, NO, THAT WOULD MEAN A LOT TO HIM.

AND THE CITY OF GARLAND HAS ALWAYS MEANT EVERYTHING TO HIM AND, UH, YOU AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND JUST TO NOTE, IF YOU HAVE A, IF YOU HAVE ATTENDED OUR LABOR DAY PARADE HERE IN GARLAND OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, UH, IT WAS THAT PARADE, WHICH IS THE ULTIMATE OF HURTING CATS.

UM, WAS JERRY DEFAZIO,

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UM, YOU KNOW, RUN RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE LENGTH OF THE PARADE ROUTE IN A GOLF CART, MAYBE SCREAMING AT PEOPLE ON OCCASION WHO PROBABLY DESERVED IT, UH, WHO PROBABLY WEREN'T IN LINE OR WHO PROBABLY WEREN'T KEEPING UP, BUT, UH, WE WILL CERTAINLY MISS HIS PRESENCE, UH, COME LABOR DAY.

SO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.

WELL, LET'S FIND SOMEBODY YELL UP EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL, WE'VE GOT A FEW OTHER THINGS ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING.

UH, THE FIRST ITEM

[CONSENT AGENDA]

ON OUR AGENDA IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

UH, ALL ITEMS UNDER THIS SECTION ARE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY A SINGLE MOTION, UH, OF COUNCIL WITHOUT DISCUSSION.

UH, COUNCILS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW EACH OF THESE ITEMS AT A PREVIOUS WORK SESSION AND APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA, AUTHORIZES CITY MANAGER TO IMPLEMENT EACH ITEM.

I WILL ANNOUNCE THE AGENDA AND PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE OR THE COUNCIL TO REQUEST THAT AN ITEM BE REMOVED AND CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.

I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE ANY REQUESTS, UM, AT THIS TIME, BUT LET ME READ THROUGH IT.

ITEM NUMBER ONE, CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE MAY 3RD, 2022 REGULAR MEETING ITEM TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING BIDS, ITEM TWO, A EVALUATION AND RESTORATION OF CONCRETE GROUND STORAGE TANKS ITEM TO BE WINDRIDGE LIFT STATION WET.

WELL REHABILITATION ITEM TWO C G P, AND L LOOKOUT SUBSTATION, STATIC, VAR INSTALLATION AND COMMISSIONING SERVICES.

ITEM TWO D G P AND L OAKLAND 69.

KV SUBSTATION UPGRADE ENGINEERING SERVICES ITEM TWO E G P AND L NAMING SUBSTATION UPGRADE MATERIALS ITEM TWO F H FAX SERVICES AT VARIOUS CITY BUILDINGS, ITEM TWO G PLUMBING SERVICES AT VARIOUS CITY BUILDINGS, ITEM TWO IN ALUMINUM SIGNED BLANKS.

NOPE.

WAIT A MINUTE.

I THINK I MISSED A PAGE.

LET'S BACK UP.

YOU THINK I'D BE MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE ALPHABET AT MY AGE, BUT APPARENTLY NOT.

ITEM TWO AGE TRAFFIC SIGNAL CABINETS, ITEM TWO I THREE PHASE TRANSFORMERS ITEM TWO, J CHLORINE AND SULFUR DIOXIDE ITEM TWO, KG PNL, OLINGER UNIT THREE, BOILER FEED PUMP THREE, A AND THREE B REPAIRS ITEM TWO L G P AND L SPENCER UNIT FIVE, CIRCULATING WATER PUMP, MOTOR REBUILD ITEM TWO M WATER UTILITIES BUILDING.

AND NOW ITEM TWO IN ALUMINUM SIGNED BLANKS, UH, THAT MOVES US TO ITEM THREE.

A PUBLIC HEARING WAS PREVIOUS CONDUCTED FOR THE FOLLOWING ZONING CASES.

COUNCIL APPROVES A REQUEST AND INSTRUCTED STAFF TO BRING FORWARD THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCE FOR CONSIDERATION ITEM THREE, A ZONING FILE NUMBER Z 22 DASH ZERO ONE, CLAYMORE ENGINEERING AND DISTRICT ONE ITEM FOUR IS CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, SELECTIVE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM, OPERATION SLOWDOWN GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF $6,262 AND 15 CENTS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND THE LAST ITEM ITEM FIVE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF STATE HEALTH SERVICES, PUBLIC HEALTH IMMUNIZATION GRANT, UH, IS THERE, EXCUSE ME, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE EITHER ANY OF THESE ITEMS PULLED AND CONSIDERED SEPARATELY? ANYONE FROM COUNCIL? I SEE NONE.

COUNCILLOR MOORE.

CAN YOU, UH, WE'RE GOING TO DEFAULT TO YOU FOR EMOTION.

GO AHEAD, SIR.

PROVE ALL OF THE, AS RED, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

AND I HEARD A SECOND IN MY OTHER EAR, UH, PREMIER PRO TIM HEDRICK, UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU COULD PREPARE THE VOTE FOR US, PLEASE, AND COUNCIL AND DISPLAY THE BOAT, AND THAT ITEM IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.

I'M SORRY.

I SHOULD HAVE ANNOUNCED EARLIER.

UH, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, COUNSELOR MORRIS, UH, CANNOT JOIN

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US THIS EVENING.

UH, SO WE ARE EIGHT VOTES THIS EVENING AND THAT MOVES US ON TO ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.

MADAME SECRETARY, CAN YOU REVIEW THE SPEAKER REGULATIONS FOR US, PLEASE? THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IS GIVEN TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY.

IF YOU'D RATHER HAVE THE CHAIRMAN CALL A SPEAKER OUT OF ORDER, IF THE SPEAKER IS, UM, OR REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION THAT WILL UNDULY DELAY THE TRANSACTION OF BUSINESS AT THE MEETING, SPEAKERS SHALL BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK ON A FIRST COME FIRST TO SPEAK BASIS AS DETERMINED BY THE ORDER IN WHICH THE CITY SECRETARY RECEIVES THE SPEAKER'S INFORMATION.

APPLICANTS ARE ALLOWED 10 MINUTES FOR PRESENTATIONS AND ALL OTHER SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

WHEN THE PODIUM BUZZER SOUNDS, THE SPEAKER MUST END THEIR COMMENTS.

VERY GOOD.

AND DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR THE EVENING? I ONLY HAVE A SPEAKER SPEAKERS FOR A CITIZEN COMMENTS.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS SIGNED UP.

OH, OKAY.

WELL THAT, THAT SEEMS PECULIAR, UH, BECAUSE I KNOW I'M LOOKING AT SEVERAL APPLICANTS.

UH, SO IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM TONIGHT, UM, MADAM SECRETARY, CAN WE JUST GO AHEAD AND USE THE CARDS? UM, SO, UM, WE WILL, WE WILL HAVE YOU FILL OUT THE SPEAKER CARDS.

UH, SO WE KNOW, UH, WHEN WE HAVE YOU QUEUED UP IN THE SYSTEM.

UM, AND SO WE DON'T HAVE A MAD RUSH.

WE'LL JUST KIND OF DO THAT AS WE GO.

WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT A FEW OTHER THINGS TOO, TO GET TO BEFORE WE GET TO THAT.

UM, ITEM SIX,

[6. Consider an ordinance canvassing the results of a General Election for the purpose of electing Council Members to Districts 1, 2, 4, and 5 of the City of Garland, Texas; declaring the results of that election; and providing an effective date.]

UH, THE FIRST ITEM UNDER CONSIDERATION IS CONSIDERED AN ORDINANCE CANVASSING THE RESULTS OF A GENERAL ELECTION FOR THE PURPOSE OF ELECTING COUNCIL MEMBERS TO DISTRICTS 1, 2, 4, AND FIVE OF THE CITY OF GARLAND, TEXAS DECLARING THE RESULTS OF THAT ELECTION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE MAYOR PRO TIM HENDRICK.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I MOVE TO APPROVE THE ORBAN ORDINANCE CANVASSING THE MAY 7TH, 2022 ELECTION.

AND I HAVE A, I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM HEDRICK, AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH, UH, TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE CANVASSING THE ELECTION RESULTS, UH, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, UH, MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU CAN PREPARE THE VOTE FOR US PLEASE AND DISPLAY THE VOTE AND THAT ITEM IS APPROVED, UNANIMOUS,

[7. Conduct the swearing in of Council Members for Districts 1, 2, and 4.]

UH, NEXT, UM, WE WILL SWEAR ON A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS.

WELL, I REALIZED LAST NIGHT AFTER OUR WORK SESSION, UH, THAT, AND LUCKILY, UH, THE CITY SECRETARY WAS STILL HERE.

I WAS THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD AN IN-PERSON SWEARING IN SINCE 2019.

UM, WE DID THE LAST TWO, UH, TWO VIRTUALLY WE PRERECORDED EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS.

UM, THE LAST TIME WE ACTUALLY HAD AN IN-PERSON WAS WHEN I WAS SWORN IN AS MAYOR.

AND MY FIRST QUESTION TO THE CITY SECRETARY WAS WHAT DO I DO, UH, WHEN WE DO IT IN PERSON.

UM, AND FORTUNATELY SHE FOUND THE TAPE FROM 2019.

AND SO I COULD WATCH WHAT MAYOR DOTSON DID.

SO, UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL, WE'LL GET, WE'LL GET THROUGH IT.

SO, UH, WE DO, UH, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF SWEARING IN, UH, SWEARING SWEARINGS IN AND TONIGHT.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, I SAID, COUNCIL LADY MORRIS, COULDN'T BE WITH US, SO WE WILL CATCH UP WITH HER.

UM, AND OBVIOUSLY, UH, WE, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A RUNOFF, UH, IN DISTRICT FIVE.

UM, SO FIRST UP, UH, WE'LL GO IN ORDER IS, UH, JEFF BASS FROM DISTRICT ONE COUNCILOR BEST YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD WITH YOUR FAMILY AND I WILL GET OUT OF THE WAY.

IT'S ALL YOU.

I, JEFF BASS, UH, JEFF BASS DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR.

THE, I WILL FACE THE FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBER FOR DISTRICT ONE, THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF COUNCIL MEMBER FOR DISTRICT, ONE OF THE CITY OF GARLAND, OF THE CITY, OF GARLAND, OF THE STATE OF TEXAS, OF THE STATE OF TEXAS AND WILL,

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AND WE'LL TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF THE STATE AND OF THE STATE.

SO HELP ME, GOD.

SO HELP ME, GOD, JUST VERY BRIEFLY, I'D LIKE TO SAY HOW HONORED I AM TO BE IN THIS POSITION THAT I'M IN THE TRUST THAT THE CITIZENS OF DISTRICT ONE AND THE CITIZENS OF GARLAND, UM, HAVE GIVEN TO ME, UH, I DO NOT TAKE THAT TRUST LIGHTLY.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MY CAMPAIGN PROMISE WAS THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE GARLAND PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO WORK, PLAY AND LIVE.

AND I STILL FEEL THAT I AM TRYING TO MAKE GOOD ON THAT PROMISE EVERY DAY.

AND, UM, ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY NEEDS, WHETHER YOU'RE IN DISTRICT ONE OR NOT, YOU CAN ALWAYS FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT AND CONTACT ME.

AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO HELP YOU AGAIN.

I WANT TO THANK THE CITIZENS, THE DISTRICT ONE FOR, UH, PUTTING ME IN THIS POSITION THAT I'M IN.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

MA'AM WELL, NEXT, UH, WE HAVE, UH, FROM DISTRICT FOUR, UH, BJ WILLIAMS, OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM.

BJ'S DONE THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES, COUPLE OF TIMES MORE THAN EVERY ONE OF US UP HERE.

JUST ABOUT.

SO EXCEPT FOR JACK, I GET IT.

I GET IT.

I'D BE JAY WILLIAMS. I BJ WILLIAMS DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR OFF FOR HIM THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBER FOR DISTRICT FOUR TO DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBER FOR DISTRICT FOUR OF THE CITY OF GARLAND OR THE CITY OF GARDEN, OR THE STATE OF TEXAS OR STATE OF TEXAS, AND WILL TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY AND WILL TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY PER SE, PROTECT AND DEFEND, PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF THIS STATE AND OF THIS STATE.

SO HELP ME, GOD.

YEAH, THE MAYOR'S RIGHT THEN IT'S A COUPLE OF TIMES BEFORE, BUT AGAIN, I, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE CONSTITUENTS OF DISTRICT FOUR.

UM, MY GRANDFATHER TOLD ME A LONG TIME AGO.

HE SAID WHEN PEOPLE, UH, NICE, UH, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PICK YOU TO BE NICE TO, AND THE PEOPLE HAVE PUBLIC TRUST.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO PUT, PICK YOU TO PUT THEIR PUBLIC TRUST IN AND LIKE COUNCILMAN BASS, I DON'T TAKE THIS FOR GRANTED.

AND IT'S A PLEASURE.

IT'S A BLESSING, THE RELATIONSHIPS.

AND I COULDN'T ASK TO SERVE WITH A BETTER CONTINUES TO HAVE MEN AND WOMEN, UH, UP HERE, GOLDEN.

UH, WE ARE BLESSED AND I'M BLESSED TO SERVE, AND I'M JUST PRAYING THAT I CAN MAKE A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENCE AND HOPEFULLY GOD CALL HIM WILL BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER, UH, WHEN I'M GONE THAN IT WAS WHEN I CAME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

WE STILL HAVE BUSINESS TO DO.

UM, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY, UH, WE, WE TRY TO KEEP THIS MEETING WHERE WE'RE DOING SWEARING INS, UH, KIND OF LIKED, UM, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE NEW, UH, NEW FOLKS SITTING UP HERE, UH, SO THAT WE DON'T COMPLETELY RUN THEM OFF ON THEIR FIRST NIGHT.

UM, BUT, UH, SINCE IT'S ALL THE SAME FACES HERE TONIGHT AND EVERYBODY UP HERE HAS, HAS AGREED TO STICK IT OUT.

UH, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO SOME OTHER BUSINESS TONIGHT.

UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM EIGHT, UH, HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS,

[8.a. Consider a Variance request by Garland Hawaiian Falls Holdings LLC to allow alcoholic beverages to be sold from a proposed bar area at Hawaiian Falls, closer than the required distance of 300 feet to a public school. The site is located at 4550 North Garland Avenue in District 8.]

ITEM EIGHT, A CONSIDER A VARIANCE REQUEST BY GARLAND HAWAIIAN FALLS HOLDINGS, LLC, TO ALLOW ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES TO BE SOLD FROM A PR

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FROM A PROPOSED BAR AT HAWAIIAN FALLS, CLOSER THAN THE REQUIRED DISTANCE OF 300 FEET TO A PUBLIC SCHOOL.

UH, THIS SITE IS LOCATED AT 45 50 NORTH GARLAND AVENUE IN DISTRICT EIGHT.

MR. GARREN, SIR, MAYOR COUNCIL.

GOOD EVENING, LOAD UP THE PRESENTATION HERE AND JUST REAL QUICK, IF YOU'RE HERE FOR THIS ITEM, UM, IF YOU COULD COME FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

MARIN COUNCIL.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE REGARDING THE DISTANCE TO A SCHOOL FROM AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT SELLS OR SERVES ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.

UH, MORE SPECIFICALLY A BAR AREA SERVING BEER AND WINE BASED FROZEN BEVERAGES IS PROPOSED AT HAWAIIAN FALLS.

THE LOCATION IS 45 50 NORTH GARLAND AVENUE.

THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THE CITY OF GARLAND AND IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.

HERE'S A LOCATION MAP.

UM, IT IS OWN AG, BUT WE KIND OF SHADED THE PROPERTY, UM, IN RED HERE JUST, UH, CLEARLY SHOWING WHERE HAWAIIAN FALLS IS LOCATED.

THE, UM, PUBLIC SCHOOL THAT, UM, TRIGGERED THIS VARIANCE REQUEST, UM, IS LOCATED HERE THAT IS SPRING CREEK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 60 FEET AWAY FROM PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE.

THAT IS THE, UM, GDC, UH, MEASUREMENT GUIDELINE PROPERTY LINE PROPERTY LINE WHEN IT COMES TO A PUBLIC SCHOOL.

UH, THERE'S ALSO AN ADDITIONAL, UM, SCHOOL WEB MIDDLE SCHOOL FURTHER TO THE SOUTH, BUT THAT DIDN'T, UH, THAT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE REQUIRED, UH, 300 FEET, UH, DISTANCE REQUIREMENT.

JUST SHOW A FEW, UM, AERIAL SHOTS OF THE AREA.

YOU CAN SEE, UH, HAWAIIAN FALLS LOCATED THERE AND I'M SPRING CREEK ELEMENTARY LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET CROSS SPRING CREEK DRIVE.

AGAIN, THE APPLICANT WANTS TO ADD A BAR AREA.

THIS WOULD BE NEAR THE WAVE POOL AREA, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE.

AND IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE MORE SPECIFICALLY LOCATED IN THE SMALL LITTLE CANOPY BUILDING HERE WHERE MY CURSOR IS, AND I HAVE A FEW OTHER, UH, SHOTS OF IT HERE.

AND HERE'S A MORE CLOSER ZOOM IN OF THE WAVE POOL AREA.

AND YOU CAN SEE HERE WHERE THE BAR AREA WOULD BE LOCATED.

AND THE APPLICANT OF COURSE, WOULD BE MODIFYING THE EXISTING CANOPIES.

THERE'S A LITTLE BEFORE AND AFTER, UH, AS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, UM, MAYOR, WE NOTIFIED 11, UH, OR SENT OUT 11 NOTIFICATION LETTERS ON THIS CASE, AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES.

UH, WE DID NOTIFY GIS D AND ALSO SENT EMAILS TO THE PRINCIPALS OF BOTH, UH, SPRING CREEK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, UH, AS WELL AS WEBB MIDDLE SCHOOL.

UH, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE A BIT OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION AREA.

AND AGAIN, WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES.

VERY GOOD, SIR.

UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THE SIDE OF A CUSTOMER? ROBYN, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

AND, AND WE'LL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE THE PERSON WHO ANSWERED THE, MAYBE NOT, UM, MY HAWAIIAN FALLS IS, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE LEGAL RELATIONSHIP IS.

I BELIEVE THEY'RE, I DON'T EITHER, EITHER THE LICENSEE OR AN OPERATOR OR WHATEVER IT IS, BUT WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT.

THE CITY HAS AN AGREEMENT WITH HAWAIIAN FALLS.

THE CITY ACTUALLY OWNS THE SUMMIT.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT ON JUST THE RAW LAND OR ALL THE FACILITIES, UM, DOES THIS CONFLICT AT ALL WITH THAT? DO WE KNOW IF THIS, IF THIS CONFLICTS AT ALL WITH THE AGREEMENT OR W DOES THE AGREEMENT SPEAK TO THIS AT ALL? THE STRANGLING, THE AGREEMENT DOES NOT REFERENCE ALCOHOL.

IT'S A GROUND LEASE AND OPERATING AGREEMENT.

THE CITY OWNS THE GROUND.

THE, UM, THE PARK OWNS THE, UM, ATTACHMENTS OR THE EQUIPMENT ON THE GROUND.

UM, THE ONLY REFERENCE TO ALCOHOL IN THE OPERATING AGREEMENT IS TO, IS A REFERENCE THAT THE, UM, UH, LESS LESSEE, UM, SHALL NOT ENTER INTO ANY SPONSORSHIP ARRANGEMENTS INVOLVING ALCOHOL OR TOBACCO PRODUCT DOES NOT ADDRESS WHETHER THE LESS WORK CAN SELL ALCOHOL ON THE LOCATION.

SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW TO MAKE THAT WORK.

SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN NOT HAVE A SPONSORSHIP, BUT YOU COULD, BUT IT DOESN'T, BUT IT DOES NOT SPEAK TO THE SALES OF ALCOHOL AT HOME.

IT DOES NOT JUST MEANS THAT YOU CANNOT, THE LESSER WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO UNDER THE AGREEMENT AS IT'S WRITTEN TODAY AND LESS LATER AMENDMENT, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BRING IN, FOR EXAMPLE, A BEER DISTRIBUTOR, UM, AND PUT UP PROMOTIONAL ITEMS ALL OVER THE PARK, UM, PROMOTING THAT BEER AS A SPONSOR, AS A SPONSORSHIP, UM, FOR WHATEVER ACTIVITY THAT MAY BE OCCURRING AT THE PARK.

SO NO LIKE MILLER LITE, BELLY FLOP CONTEST.

RIGHT? EXACTLY.

NOT THAT I WAS SPECIFICALLY HOPING FOR THAT, UM, IS I THINK, I THINK I MISSED A GOOD JOKE DOWN THERE, UNFORTUNATELY.

UM, IS, IS THERE ANY POTENTIAL LIABILITY FOR THE CITY KIND OF DRAM SHOP LIABILITY, ANYTHING ELSE

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ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, TH THAT COULD COME BACK ON THE CITY AS A RESULT OF US, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT INVOLVED IN THE OPERATIONS, AS FAR AS I KNOW, BUT THE TEXAS ALCOHOL AND BEVERAGE CODE DOES HAVE A DRUM SHOP ACT, AND IT APPLIES TO ANYONE THAT IS LICENSED OR PERMITTED TO SERVE ALCOHOL OR ACTUALLY SERVES ALCOHOL.

IT IS, UM, UM, IT PROVIDES THAT ALCOHOL PROVIDERS, UM, CAN BE HELD LIABLE FOR DAMAGES CAUSED BY SOMEONE WHO HAS BOUGHT AND HAS BEEN OVER, SERVED ALCOHOL AT THE LOCATION.

UH, I HAVEN'T DONE AN UPDATED SEARCH IN CASE LAW TO SEE IF THAT'S EVER EXTENDED TO THE L TO THE LESS OR TO THE, IN THIS CASE, THE CITY.

UM, BUT EIGHT YEARS AGO, NINE YEARS AGO, WHEN I DID DO SOME RESEARCH IN THIS AREA THAT HAD NEVER BEEN EXTENDED TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, IF IT WAS BEING LEASED OUT, IT WAS ONLY, IT ONLY APPLIES TO THE PERSON OR THE COMPANY ACTUALLY SELLING OR PROVIDING THE ALCOHOL.

OKAY.

SO SOMEBODY GETS OVERSERVED AND THEY, SOMETHING HAPPENS OVER AT THE WAVE POOL OR WHATEVER.

THAT'S NOT, WE DON'T BELIEVE AT LEAST I'LL, I'LL, I'LL CHECK AGAIN AND I'LL UPDATE THE COUNCIL IF THAT IS THE CASE.

BUT AS A BLACK, I SAID EIGHT OR NINE YEARS AGO, IT WAS NOT THE CASE THAT, UM, THAT EXTENDED ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE LESSER OR THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, I MEAN, IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME THAT THE, UM, UM, UM, CITY SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY WOULD BE WAVING SUCH AN INCIDENT I'LL, I'LL DEFER TO YOU ON THAT.

ALTHOUGH I WORRY AS I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT, THAT THE, THE OWNERSHIP OR THE LEASING OF THAT REALLY FALLS UNDER A CITY FUNCTION, I'VE PUT GOVERNMENT FUNCTION, RIGHT.

IT'S, IT'S A CLOSE CALL.

I MEAN, IT WAS A PARK.

IT IS, UM, UM, UM, IT'D BE A CLOSE CALL IF YOU WOULD.

SO KINDLY THEN, BECAUSE EVEN IF WE APPROVE TONIGHT, WE'LL STILL HAVE TO HAVE THIS COME BACK FOR ORDINANCE APPROVAL.

CORRECT.

SO IF IN THE INTERIM, IF YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT AND JUST LET US KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT CAUSING ANY OTHER ISSUES OR STUFF LIKE THAT.

BEYOND THAT.

I DON'T HAVE A, I DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES.

THANK YOU.

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

MA'AM UH, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU.

WELL, UH, MADAM SECRETARY, AND YOU CALL OUR, I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PRESENT.

YES.

MR. CHRIS CHILCOTT SIR, WHEN YOU GET DOWN HERE, IF YOU COULD GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE, YOU'LL HAVE 10 MINUTES TO MAKE A PRESENTATION, OR JUST LET US ADMIRE THAT SHIRT AND, AND WE CAN, AND WE CAN ANSWER GAS QUESTIONS.

YES, SIR.

MY NAME'S CHRIS SHOKAT, I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER FOR HAWAIIAN FALLS, COLONY AND GARLAND.

UH, MY ADD MY PERSONAL ADDRESS, YOUR BUSINESS ADDRESS IS 5 5 4 5 5 4 NORTH GARLAND AVENUE.

VERY GOOD.

SO DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION OR DO YOU JUST WANT TO TAKE QUESTIONS? I DO NOT.

I'M HERE TO TAKE QUESTIONS.

I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU LAST YEAR WE, UM, ASKED THE CITY OF COLONY FOR THE EXACT SAME THING.

AND, UM, WE DID SELL ALL WE'RE SELLING.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR SPIRIT'S LICENSE.

WE'RE ASKING FOR STRICTLY A BEER AND WINE AND EVERYTHING THAT WE SOLD AT COLONY WAS WINE BASED.

SO OUR FROZEN DRINKS ARE ALL WINE BASED.

THEY'RE NOT ALCOHOL-BASED AT ALL.

UM, WHICH I KNOW REALLY DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING, BUT, UM, AND WE, WE BEGAN LAST YEAR, MID JUNE, AND WE DID NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES AT THE PARK.

UM, WE FOUND THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE ASKING FOR BEVERAGES FOR MOTHERS THAT WERE THERE AT THE PARK AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T LIKE EVERYBODY WAS THERE DRINKING THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE DRINKS AT A TIME.

YOU KNOW, THEY WERE THERE JUST TO HAVE, UM, ONE STRAWBERRY DAIQUIRI OR ONE PENA COLADA, AND THAT'S MORE OR LESS WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE LICENSE.

THEREFORE IT WAS JUST THAT OBVIOUS AND THAT ATMOSPHERE THERE AT THE PARK.

VERY GOOD.

I'M SURE MY MOTHER WOULD HAVE, UH, ORDERED A FEW TAKING MY BROTHER AND I THERE WHEN WE WERE KIDS.

UH, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM WILLIAMS. THANK THANK YOU MIRROR.

UH, MY MOTHER WOULD HAVE SWAM.

SHE WOULDN'T HAVE VOTED A DRINK, RIGHT.

UM, I'M GONNA SAY KAREN, WOULD YOU PUT THE, THE PLAN UP THAT SHOWS WHERE THEY, THE REFRESHMENT AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS AGAIN, PLACE? UH, THIS IS THE CLOSEST ZOOM IN IF THAT EXTRA STEP HERE.

YES.

IT'S NOT THAT VIEW THE OTHER ONE, THE WHOLE PART, THE WHOLE PART.

THERE WE GO.

THERE YOU GO.

OKAY.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

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ALL RIGHT.

MY QUESTION.

UH, OKAY.

UM, KIND OF WALK ME THROUGH, UM, MILAN.

WHAT IS, WHAT IS YOUR, UH, FOR, FOR A SERVING DRINKS? IS THERE A, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR PUSHER PROTOCOL FOR AGE LIMIT FOR ALL CONTENTS? CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH THAT PROCESS? KIND OF YOU DON'T SOME 12 YEAR OLDS LOOKS LIKE 18 YEAR OLDS AND ET CETERA.

SO WHEN YOU TELL ME WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, GO WITH TWO TO ENSURE, AND I'M SURE IT'S WHAT YOU ASKED, ENFORCED FOR ADULT TRAIT.

YES, SIR.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO WALK ME THROUGH YOUR PROTOCOL TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR BEVERAGES ARE SERVED TO LEGAL ADULTS.

WE FOLLOW THE TABC TRAINING.

SO EVERYONE THAT COMES THROUGH AS A BARTENDER, UM, THAT'S THE TERM FORUM.

UM, THEY GO THROUGH THE TRAINING AND THEY HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED THROUGH THE TBC, AND WE ALSO REQUIRE DRIVER'S LICENSE.

SO EVEN IF YOU'RE A SWIMSUIT OR WHAT HAVE YOU STILL HAVE TO PRESENT YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE AND NOT JUST ON YOUR, IF YOU BUY A SECOND DRINK, YOU STILL HAVE TO BRING YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE UP AND SHOW IT.

SO THAT IS OUR PROCEDURE.

EVERYONE GETS CARDED.

EVERY TIME WE LOOK AT THE CARD, WHETHER IT'S YOUR FIRST DRINK OR YOUR SECOND DRINK.

OKAY.

OKAY.

AND, AND I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A, WHAT IF, UM, CAN THEY DO IT? YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN AT THE PARK FOR HOURS.

I WANT TO REFRESHMENT COME UP AND GET A COUNCILMAN ARVIN SAID A MIDDLE LIGHT.

THAT'S A COORS LIGHT.

UM, AND, UM, I'M HERE TO MY CAR.

CAN I DRIVE OUT WITH THE DRINK THAT YOUR BARTENDER HAS SERVED? NO, SIR.

I DRIVE OUT OF THE PARK.

AND IF SO, WHAT'S WHAT, WHAT WOULD PREVENT ME FROM DRIVING OUT OF THE PARK WITH THE DRINK THAT YOUR BARTENDER HAS JUST SERVED ME? YES, SIR.

NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO LEAVE THE PARK WITH ANY BEVERAGE THAT WE SERVE.

SO WE HAVE PEOPLE AT THE GATE, UM, ON YOUR WAY IN, WE HAVE BAG CHECKS, SO WE CHECK EVERYTHING COMING IN THE PROPERTY, AND THEN ALSO GOING OUT, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DRINK ANY OR TAKE ANY BEVERAGE OUT, UM, THAT WOULD BE SERVED IN A CAN OR ONE OF OUR SPECIFIC CUPS ON THEIR WAY OUT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

FOR THE DANCE THINKING HERE COMES FROM ROBIN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, GOOD AFTERNOON OR GOOD EVENING.

UM, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT, THIS DOES, THIS IS NO CHANGE TO THE POLICY ABOUT BRINGING ALCOHOL INTO THE PARK.

IS THAT RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO YOU CAN'T BRING, YOU THERE'LL BE NO.

SO SOMEBODY CAN'T BRING IN A BEER AND I THINK THAT'S THE CURRENT POLICY OR HAS BEEN, THAT IS THE POLICY AND ALSO NO GLASS, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S ALCOHOL OR NOT.

AND THE GLASS IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE, AND IF YOU HAVE A COOLER PASS, UM, WE SEARCHED THE COOLER AND NOT JUST THE TOP.

EVERYTHING COMES OUT TO CHECK ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH THE COOLER.

YEAH.

UH, UH, ACTUALLY MY GIRLS, I ONE GIRL ACROSS THE STREET AT SPRING CREEK ELEMENTARY INTUIT WEB, AND WE HAVE A FAMILY SEASON PASSES LAST YEAR.

AND SO I CAN ATTEST THAT.

Y'ALL DO CHECK THE COOLERS EVERY TIME AND WE HAD A GREAT TIME, UH, LAST SUMMER.

SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO BEING BACK THERE WHEN YOU GUYS OPEN AGAIN AND, UH, APPRECIATE YOU.

THANK YOU.

I THINK YOU'LL ENJOY THE, THE CHANGES THIS YEAR THAT YOU'LL SEE WHEN YOU GET THERE.

NO, WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT IT.

MY, MY, MY TEN-YEAR-OLD WAS MESSAGING ME TODAY, ASKING IF WE COULD GO ON OPENING DAY THIS WEEKEND.

SO THAT'LL COMPARE TO AT 10:00 AM.

SUCH A PITY WILL BE IN OUR COUNCIL MEETING THEN, BUT WE'LL SEE YOU ON SUNDAY.

I'M SURE.

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

MAYOR PRO TEM HEDRICK.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

WILL THE, UH, AREA THAT ALCOHOL IS ALLOWED TO BE CONSUMED BE ONLY IN THAT WAY FOR, OR YOU'RE ALLOWED TO CARRY IT THROUGHOUT THE YOU'RE ALLOWED TO CARRY IT THROUGHOUT THE PARK.

OKAY.

WEED IS ONLY SOLD AT THE ONE LOCATION, WHICH YOUR CAR DID THERE, BUT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO MOVE ABOUT THE PARK.

OKAY.

AND THAT'S BASED ON THE TBC LAWS.

NOW, IF THEY HAD A LAW THAT YOU HAD TO HAVE A BEER GARDEN IN ONE SPECIFIC SPOT, THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD BE THE RULE THAT WE WOULD FOLLOW.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. MCMILLAN.

VERY GOOD.

AYE.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MADAM SECRETARY? DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? WE DO NOT HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS ON THE SIDE OF VERY GOOD.

AND MR. ENGLAND, MR. BAYER, THIS IS, UM, UH, WILL NOT BE COMING BACK.

UM, WE, I WAS JUST TOLD BY WILL MR. GUERIN THAT, UM, MAY, WILL NOT BE COMING BACK FOR, UM, ORDINANCE APPROVED ORDINANCE APPROVAL, BUT I HAVE DONE A QUICK SEARCH ON WESTLAW AND THE LAW HAS NOT CHANGED SINCE I LAST CHECKED THAT THERE WOULD NOTE LIABILITY WOULD NOT EXTEND TO THE CITY IN THAT CASE.

IT'S FOR PROVIDERS OF THE ALCOHOL.

VERY GOOD, SIR.

THANK YOU.

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UH, COUNSEL, WE HAVE CLEARED THE QUEUE ON THE SIDE OF THEM.

IF THERE'S ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, UH, WE CAN MOVE, MOVE FORWARD.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, SIR.

APPRECIATE IT.

CAST MEMBER SMITH.

UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, THIS IS, THIS IS NOT MY FAVORITE VARIANTS THAT I'VE SEEN COME ACROSS.

UH, YOU KNOW, I, I, I DO LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE AMENITIES THAT ARE VERY FAMILY ORIENTED, HOWEVER, UH, POLICE AND FIRE BOTH SIGNED OFF ON THE, UH, IDEA, UH, BEER AND WINE SALES ARE BASED IN HOURS THAT ARE GENERALLY OPPOSITE OF WHAT SCHOOL HOURS ARE.

AND THAT'S THE WAY THAT, UH, THAT PARK HAS ALWAYS BEEN OPERATED.

AND WE DID APPROVE IT AROUND THE CORNER AT THE COLWELL CENTER.

SO I HAVE NO REASONABLE BASIS FOR DENIAL.

I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE PRESENTED.

I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH, A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER, AUBURN, TO APPROVE ITEM EIGHT A AS PRESENTED ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, SEEING NONE AMOUNT OF SECRETARY.

IF YOU COULD PREPARE THE VOTE FOR US, PLEASE IN COUNCIL AND DISPLAY THE VOTE.

THAT ITEM IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UH, THAT MOVES US ON TO, EXCUSE ME, ITEM EIGHT,

[8.b. Consider a Specific Use Provision request by Turn Compost, LLC to operate a compost facility. The site is located at 196 South International Road in District 6.]

B AND C.

AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO, UH, TAKE THESE, UH, SEPARATELY, UH, ITEM EIGHT B IS CONSIDERED A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION REQUESTS BY TURN COMPOST, LLC, TO A COMPOST FACILITY.

THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 1 96 SOUTH INTERNATIONAL ROAD IN DISTRICT SIX.

IT ALSO, UH, AGAIN HAS A SECOND PART, UH, BUT WE WILL TAKE THIS PART FIRST COUNSEL.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AN SUP, UH, AS WELL AS A SITE PLAN TO ALLOW THE OPERATION OF A COMPOST FACILITY.

THE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS 1 96 SOUTH INTERNATIONAL ROAD.

THE APPLICANT IS TURNED COMPOST, LLC.

THE ACREAGE OF THE OVERALL, UH, PROPERTY WHERE THE TREE SURGEONS, UH, IS LOCATED AND WILL CONTINUE, UH, TO BE LOCATED AND OPERATE IS, UM, APPROXIMATELY TWO AND A HALF ACRES.

UM, HOWEVER, THE, UH, LEASE SITE FOR A TURN COMPOST, UH, WILL BE APPROXIMATELY, UH, 29,000 SQUARE FEET.

AND THE PROPERTY IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL, UH, WHICH REQUIRES AN SUP FOR THIS USE, BY THE WAY, THIS IS A, UM, LOCATION MAPS SHOWING THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SHOWN HERE, OUTLINED IN TEAL.

AGAIN, IT IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL.

THERE'S AN OFFICE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS TO A WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS, UH, WHICH TURNED, TURNED COMPOST WOULD NOT OPERATE OUT OF THE BUILDINGS.

IT WOULD BE AN OUTDOOR, UH, OPERATION.

AND AGAIN, THEY WOULD BE, UH, PARTNERING WITH THE TREE SURGEONS, UH, BUSINESS AND, UM, OPERATING, UH, AND COEXISTING ON THE PROPERTY, UH, SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST AND TO THE SOUTH ARE OTHER, UH, INDUSTRIAL ZONED, UH, USES AND IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH AND EAST, OUR MEDICAL USES INCLUDING THE, UH, UM, UH, A BEHAVIORAL HOSPITAL AND THEN FURTHER TO THE NORTH, UM, IS ZONED.

MULTI-FAMILY A COUPLE OF EXISTING APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN FOR THIS, UH, AREA IDENTIFIES IT AS BUSINESS BUSINESS CENTERS.

HERE'S A VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM SOUTH INTERNATIONAL ROAD.

SEE THE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING.

UH, THE SITE IS FENCE.

THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA IS CURRENTLY A FENCE.

THEN WE CONTINUE TO BE FENCED BY, UM, SIX FOOT METAL FENCE.

THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL PICTURES OF THE AREA, ALL THAT READ THROUGH THIS MAYOR THAT PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED WITH ONE OFFICE BUILDING AND TWO WAREHOUSES LOCATED IN THE BACK.

THE OUTSIDE AREA IN THE BACK IS USED FOR FIREWOOD MULCH, NIGHTLY TRUCK AND EQUIPMENT STORAGE.

THE PROPERTY IS AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE OCCUPIED BY TEXAS TREE SURGEONS, A COMPANY THAT PROVIDES TREE CARE SERVICES THAT INCLUDES TREE TRIMMING, TREE HEALTH MANAGEMENT, AND OCCASIONAL TREE REMOVAL.

THE RESULTING BYPRODUCT OF THE SERVICES IS WASTE WOOD THAT IS EITHER CHIPPED INTO MULCH OR SOLD AS FIREWOOD.

MOST OF THE RESULTING MULCH IS STORED ON THE PROPERTY.

THIS APPLICANT TURNED COMPOST PLANS TO LEASE A PORTION OF THE OUTDOOR AREA ON THE PROPERTY TO PRODUCE COMPOST BY ADDING ORGANIC MATTER TO THE EXISTING OUTDOOR MULCH PILES PRODUCED BY TEXAS TREE SURGEONS.

HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT DOES NOT PLAN TO OCCUPY ANY OF ANY OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.

THIS IS A SITE PLAN SHOWING THE PROPERTY.

MOSTLY MOST OF THIS IS EXISTING, BUT THIS WOULD BE THE LEASE AREA.

UM, HERE SHOWING THESE SIX, UM, SORT OF ROSE WINDOWS THEY'RE CALLED OF THE, UH, COMPOST, UH, PILES.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE LEASE AREA, ALL STORAGE AND PROCESSING OF THE COMPOST WOULD BE OUTDOORS.

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THERE WOULD BE NO ONSITE SALES OF THE COMPOST, UH, TURN COMPOST COMES AND DELIVERS THE, UH, OR BRINGS IN THE SCRAPS, DOES THE PRODUCTION OF THE COMPOST AND THEN DELIVERS IT OFFSITE.

AND ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT, NO MORE THAN TWO OR THREE EMPLOYEES, UM, TO MANAGE THE COMPOSTING OPERATIONS WOULD BE ONSITE AT ONE TIME.

UM, THIS IS A LIST OF THE MATERIALS THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE COMPOST, MULCH, VEGETABLES, AND FRUIT SCRAPS, COFFEE AND TEA GROUNDS, DRY PASTA, AND GRAINS, EGGSHELLS, TREADED, PAPER LEAVES, AND BEANS, NUTS AND SEEDS.

THE APPLICANT WILL NOT BE MULCHING A MEAT OR EXCUSE ME, UH, COMPOSTING MEAT OR DAIRY PRODUCTS, WHICH, UH, HELPS MITIGATE THE ODOR CONCERNS.

SO WITHOUT THE MEAT OR DAIRY, INCLUDING THE COMPOSTING THAT, UM, UH, SHOULD REDUCE THE ODOR AS WELL AS PEST, UH, CONCERNS AS WELL.

AND THERE MAY NOT BE METHANE IN THE LIKE, UH, PRODUCED AS A RESULT.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE LIST OF, UH, THE COMPOSTING MATERIALS.

UM, THE GDC REQUIRES OUTDOOR STORES TO BE SCREENED AT A MINIMUM HEIGHT OF SIX FEET.

THE PROPERTY, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IS SURROUNDED BY SIX FOOT TALL SOLID METAL FENCE AND PER THE APPLICANT, THE, UH, WINDOWS, THOSE ARE THE ROWS PILES, IF YOU WILL, OF THE, UH, COMPOSTING, UH, WOULD NOT EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT.

UH, THE TEXAS TREE SURGEONS AND, UH, TURN COMPOST WOULD BE, UH, UTILIZING THE EXISTING, UH, PARKING AREAS AND SHARING PARKING ACCORDINGLY.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF AN SUP FOR A PERIOD OF 10 YEARS.

A STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST, THE SUP AND THE SITE PLAN AND THE PLAN COMMISSION, UH, ON APRIL 25TH RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE SUP AND THE SITE PLAN WITH A SEVEN TO ZERO VOTE.

AND MAYOR, WE, UH, SENT OUT 20 NOTIFICATION LETTERS ON THIS CASE.

WE RECEIVED, UH, TWO IN FAVOR.

THOSE WERE OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION AREA AND THREE IN OPPOSITION.

THOSE WERE WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA.

SO VERY GOOD.

UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THE SIDE OF CUSTOMER BESS? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

WELL, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE SIX FOOT AND WINDROW HEIGHT.

UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT, THAT THEY SAID THAT IT WOULD BE, WOULD NOT BE OVER SIX FEET AND IT'S NOT ALLOWED TO BE OVER SIX FEET.

WHAT KIND OF, UM, UM, WHAT KIND OF VIOLATION WOULD THAT BE IF IT WERE, UM, AND IT WOULD BE A CODE COMPLIANCE, UM, UH, MATTER, UH, IF THERE WERE, UM, THE, OF COURSE THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE IS THAT, UH, PILES ARE NOT SEEN ABOVE THE SCREENING DEVICE KIND OF FROM THE PUBLIC VIEW.

UH, THIS OFTEN COMES UP DURING RECYCLING CENTERS AND THAT SORT OF THING, WHERE THEY TYPICALLY HAVE MORE PILES HIGHER THAN SIX FEET.

UM, BUT IT WOULD BE A CODE COMPLIANCE MATTER.

YEAH.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND THEN ALSO, UH, JUST A FEW MORE QUESTIONS.

CAN YOU TELL US THE, UM, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE, UH, OVERVIEW WHERE IT SHOWED THE MULTIFAMILY AND THE BEHAVIORAL HOSPITAL FACILITY? OKAY.

AND CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THOSE DISTANCES ARE FROM THE, UM, FROM THE SITE TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEN TO THE MULTI-FAMILY? ABSOLUTELY.

UM, I TOOK A FEW DISTANCES, UH, DID A FEW EARLIER, UM, AND THESE ARE FAIRLY ROUGH MEASUREMENTS, BUT I ESTIMATED THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE, UM, LOCATION OF THE COMPOST PILES AND THE ACTUAL HOSPITAL BUILDING, UH, TO BE ABOUT 300 FEET APART.

UM, MORE LIKE ABOUT 125 FEET TO THE, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S A COSMETIC DENTIST OFFICE TO THE NORTH.

UH, AND THEN FROM THE, UM, WINTER PILES TO THE, UH, NEAREST APARTMENT BUILDING, UM, LOCATE A BELIEVE KIND OF THIS DIRECTION, ACTUALLY I MEASURED IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.

IT WAS ABOUT THE SAME, ABOUT 600 FEET AWAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU WILL THINK OF ME NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, SIR.

CUSTOMER NUMBER UP AND THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, WELL, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, I GUESS, ABOUT THE OPERATION OR THE NEED FOR AN SUP.

UM, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, CURRENTLY THERE ARE, WOODPILES, IT'S BASICALLY A TREE SURGEONS AND OUR BIOLOGICAL, UH, FACILITY, SO THEY'RE CURRENTLY WOODPILES.

AND SO IF THE, IF THE TREE SURGEONS, PEOPLE WANTED TO LIKE GET A BUNCH OF VEGGIES AND PUT THEM ON THE PILE AND TURN THEM THEMSELVES, WOULD THEY NEED A PERMIT TO DO THAT WELL? UM, AND THEY, WE APPRECIATE THEM COMING TO US FROM THE BEGINNING.

THIS WASN'T SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR FORGIVENESS.

SO WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE THAT.

UM,

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THEY DISTRICT OLC AND I, UH, EARLY ON, UH, BEFORE THIS SEP PROCESS GOT STARTED AND, UM, EXPLAINED TO, OF COURSE THIS IS A DIFFERENT OPERATOR, THAT'D BE SUBLEASING IT.

SO IT DID TRIGGER, UM, WHAT WOULD NEED A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY? AND THERE, THERE IS A DEFINITION, THE GDC WHEN MR. HULK AND I LOOKED THROUGH IT, UM, BULK MATERIALS, SALES, AND STORAGE, UM, IT DOES CALL OUT COMPOST AS AN EXAMPLE OF, OF PILES THAT ARE OUTDOOR, UM, THAT WOULD FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY.

AND THAT, THAT IS LISTED BY SUP ONLY IN, SO DOES DO THE TREE SURGEONS FOLKS HAVE, UH, SO, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE ARE PILES OF WOOD CHIPS.

WE'RE JUST KEEP, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST KIND OF MAGICALLY TRANSFORMING THEM INTO NOT WOOD CHIPS.

UM, SO, BUT IF YOU HAVE A PILE OF WOOD CHIPS TO THE TREE SURGEONS, PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE, UH, AN SUP FOR THE PILE OF WOOD CHIPS.

UM, THEY, THEY DO NOT HAVE AN SUP NO, SIR.

DO THEY NEED AN SVP FOR A PILE OF WOOD CHIPS? OKAY.

UM, I WOULD JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE RUN INTO THINGS AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, WE'RE PUTTING THESE FOLKS THROUGH THIS PROCESS, BUT WE DO, WE ACTUALLY NEED THAT.

BUT RIGHT NOW I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF THE LANDSCAPE HERE.

THAT'S ALL.

SO TO SPEAK.

YEAH.

WE DIDN'T GO DOWN THAT ROAD AS FAR AS THE EXISTING OPERATOR, UM, GOES, BUT, UM, THE, IT, IT WAS BASICALLY DETERMINED THAT THIS KIND OF TRIGGER THE SUP FOR THE, THE NEW, UH, PILES THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED.

OKAY.

CAUSE I, I COULD, BUT IF THEY, SO IF THEY HAVE AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING USE, SO WE HAVEN'T HAD AN ISSUE WITH, WHICH IS THE, BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE BULK MATERIAL PILES WITH CHIPS.

SURE.

UM, BUT IF THEY JUST DO IT, SO IS THIS ALL JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE SUBLEASING IT, I MEAN, IF THEY HAD, IF THEY HAD HIRED TURN TO COME IN TO DO THIS FOR THEM OR SOMETHING, WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT BE DIFFERENT? DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M GETTING AT? I DON'T KNOW IF I'M MAKING A LOT OF SENSE.

I'M SORRY.

I DO IT.

IT DOES MAKE SENSE.

UM, YEAH, I I'M AFRAID I WOULD HAVE PROBABLY HAVE TO GO AND THINK ABOUT THAT IF IT WERE THE SAME USER, SAME OPERATOR.

I MEAN, UH, AGAIN, I THINK WE JUST, UM, HAD DETERMINED THAT BECAUSE IT WAS A NEW OPERATOR, WHICH WOULD TRIGGER A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY BECAUSE DETERMINED THIS IS A PARTICULAR WAY IN USE.

UM, UM, MULCHING WAS SOMETHING WE NOTICED THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, UM, CALLED OUT IN THAT PARTICULAR LAND USE.

AND, UM, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CONCERNS WE HAD EARLY ON ABOUT ODORS AND THAT THE, LIKE, UM, THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION WE HAD ASKED OURSELVES AS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, ADMINISTRATIVELY WE, UM, WOULD, WOULD NEED TO APPROVE OR WHAT SHOULD IT GO THROUGH THE SUP PROCESS? AND THAT'S THE WAY WE WENT.

NO, I GOT, YA KNOW, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING ANY CRITICISM OF YOUR STAFF OR ANYTHING.

I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A QUESTION, UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE DOING.

AND SOMETIMES WE END UP CATCHING OURSELVES ON SOME KIND OF TECHNICALITIES OR SOMETHING WHERE IT'S LIKE, JUST BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT IN A NEW, YOU KNOW, A DIFF BECAUSE OF THE LEGAL STRUCTURE OF HOW THEY'RE DOING IT, ARE THEY BEING REQUIRED TO DO SOMETHING THAT IF THEY HAD STRUCTURED IT SOMEWHAT DIFFERENTLY, THAT WOULD BE LIKE, YEAH.

DO YOU KNOW YOU DON'T NEED ANYTHING FROM US? THAT'S, THAT'S JUST WHERE MY HEAD IS ON IT, BUT THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

YES, SIR.

FROM A NON BOTANISTS LAWYER.

UM, UM, I WOULD SAY THERE WOULD BE FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, THERE COULD BE A DISTINCTION, AN ARGUMENT FOR A DISTINCTION BETWEEN COMPOST, UH, WHERE THERE'S A CHEMICAL CHANGE VERSUS VERSUS MULCHING WHERE THERE'S A PHYSICAL CHANGE.

AND SO, UM, IN ODORS WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE, UM, UM, SYMPTOMS OF THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN IT HAS SOME AND NOT TO GET TOO FAR INTO THE, INTO THE WEEDS.

UM, BUT I THINK MULTIPLE CA AT SOME LEVEL, SORRY, I'M ALMOST KIND OF REGRETTING BRINGING THAT UP THERE.

JUST YOU AND ME BOTH.

Y'ALL JUST, CAN'T WAIT.

I SAW MY SHADOW A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND NOW YOU GET SIX MORE WEEKS OF ME BEFORE I'M OFF COUNCIL.

SO, UM, SO I MIGHT AS WELL MAKE THE BEST USE OF MY TIME WHILE I HAVE IT.

UH, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THOUGH THAT, THAT, UH, AND, AND MAYBE, MAYBE THIS IS A BETTER QUESTION FOR OUR COMPOSTING PROFESSIONALS, BUT THE, THE MO THE MULCH MULCH TURNS INTO COMPOST, UH, BASICALLY ON ITS OWN, IT'S GOING TO DECOMPOSE ANYWAY.

AND SO WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE DECOMPOSITION PROCESS.

AND SO, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST ONE OF THESE THINGS THAT IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, ARE WE, ARE WE ADDING A LEVEL OF REGULATION THAT WE WOULDN'T OTHERWISE, IF, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAD JUST, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAD, INSTEAD OF SUBLEASING TO TURN, IF THEY SUBCONTRACTED WITH TURN TO COME IN AND HEY, WILL YOU PEOPLE PLEASE TURN, TURN,

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UM, TRANSFORM OR, UH, OR EXPEDITE THE DECOMPOSITION PROCESS OF THIS WOOD INTO MALT.

SO, UM, JUST, JUST THERE, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT AND THAT I WILL GET OUT OF THIS.

UM, I SHOULD HAVE TURNED THE MIC OFF A LITTLE EARLIER.

YES.

COUNSELOR MORE, PLEASE HELP US HERE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION I'D LIKE FOR JASON TO MAY BECOME, UH, HELP US WITH JASON.

UH, I DON'T KNOW IF HAVE YOU HAD OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THIS CASE AND THE WAY OF THE CITIZENS COMPLAINT.

OKAY.

I'D LIKE TO JUST HAVE YOUR EXPLANATIONS, UH, AS IT RELATES TO THE ODOR FOR ONE THING, OF COURSE, UH, UH, HAVING READ EVERYTHING HERE, IT DOES APPEAR THAT THE MANNER BY WHICH THEY'RE GOING TO BE, UH, CONSTRUCTING THE, THE, THE SITE, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY FOOD PRODUCTS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO MAYBE THE, THE OLDER IS NOT REALLY THAT MUCH OF A PROBLEM, BUT THERE IS SOMETHING HERE REGARDING PATHOGENS AS IT RELATES TO A HOSPITAL BEING CLOSE TO THE FACILITY.

UH, CAN YOU ADDRESS FOR US, UM, UH, THIS CONCERN AS IT RELATES TO, UH, IS THERE A REASON TO HAVE CONCERN FOR IT? YEAH, I DID SEE THAT IN THE, UH, THE PACKET, AND I GUESS THE BEST WAY IS AS I THINK THROUGH THE POTENTIAL OF PATHOGENS FROM THIS PROCESS, TYPICALLY FROM A STANDPOINT OF PATHOGENS THAT THRIVE ON ORGANIC MATERIAL, TYPICALLY THOSE ARE ONLY THREATS WHEN INGESTED, RIGHT? SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NORMALLY FOODBORNE ILLNESSES, ILLNESS, WHERE FOOD IS STORED IN PROPERLY, RARELY ARE THOSE.

I, IN FACT, I CAN'T THINK OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD OF A SINGLE CONTENT PATHOGEN THAT WAS PASSED ON.

YEAH, YOU, YOU HAVE TO INGEST IT RATHER THAN BREATHING IT IN THE, THE PATHOGENS THAT, UM, TYPICALLY INFECTED THE RESPIRATORY TRACT, UM, ARE NOT, WOULD NOT THRIVE ON ORGANIC WASTE.

SO IT'S HARD FOR ME TO IMAGINE A THREAT IN TERMS OF PATHOGENS FROM THIS PROCESS BEING MOVED BY WIND OFFSITE.

WELL, BASED ON THE COMPENSATION THAT THEY'RE TALKING PRESENTLY, YOU DON'T SEE THIS BEING A THREAT TO THE HOSPITAL OR TO SURROUNDING BUSINESSES IN THAT REGARD.

I DO NOT.

THANK YOU, MS. JASON, BEFORE YOU STEP AWAY, I KNOW MOST OF THE, MOST OF THIS CITY HAS SEEN A LOT OF YOU OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, BUT FOR THOSE, INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE.

UH, MY NAME IS JASON CHESHIRE.

I'M THE MANAGING DIRECTOR OF HEALTH.

NOT, NOT ONLY AM I THE COVID GUY, BUT YES.

THAT'S BECOME YOUR CLAIM TO FAME.

YES.

BUT THANK YOU, JASON.

I APPRECIATE IT.

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM WILLIAMS. THANK YOU.

MA'AM I'LL HOLD MY ALCOHOL, MY QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

OKAY.

VERY GOOD.

UH, COUNCILMAN REVERA.

JASON, CAN YOU GIVE US A DEFINITION OF ERIK CONTAMINANTS? UH, YES, SIR.

AND I'LL, I'LL GIVE THE REFERENCE FIRST, THAT DEFINITION IS LOCATED IN ARTICLE THREE OF CHAPTER 22, SECTION 22.45, UM, AIR CONTAMINANT, AND I'LL READ, IT MEANS PARTICULATE MATTER, DUST, FUMES, GAS, MIST, SMOKE, VAPOR, OR ODOR, WHICH I THINK IS THE, THE INTEREST IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, VAPOR OR ODOR IN ANY COMBINATION, THERE ARE PRODUCED BY PROCESSES OF THE NATURAL.

OKAY.

WHAT ABOUT AIR POLLUTION AND AIR POLLUTION IS THE VERY NEXT DEFINITION IN THAT SECTION.

AGAIN, I'LL RATE IT.

AIR POLLUTION MEANS THE PRESENCE IN THE ATMOSPHERE OF ONE OR MORE AIR CONTAMINANTS, WHICH I JUST READ THE DEFINITION OF AN AIR CONTAINMENT OR COMBINATIONS THEREOF IN SUCH CONCENTRATION AND OF SUCH DURATION AS ARE, OR MAY TEND TO BE INTEREST OR ADVERSELY AFFECT HUMANS, ANIMAL LIFE, VEGETATION, PROPERTY, OR AS TO INTERFERE WITH THE NORMAL USE AND ENJOYMENT OF ANIMAL LIFE, VEGETATION, OR PROPERTY.

WHAT ABOUT HEALTH HEALTH HAZARDS IS DOWN A BIT.

UM, THIS IS A LONG ONE.

SO BEAR WITH ME A HEALTH HAZARD SHALL INCLUDE THE EXISTENCE OF ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS IN A MANNER AND A PLACE AND A CONCENTRATION IN A COMBINATION OR IN A DURATION THAT HUMAN OR ANIMAL DISEASE OR INJURY IS LIKELY IF THE HEALTH HAZARD, IF THE HEALTH HAZARD IS NOT ABATED HARMFUL CONCENTRATIONS OF STINGING INSECTS OF THE ORDER, HYMENOPTERA COMMUNICABLE DISEASES AS SPECIFIED BY THE HEALTH AUTHORITY, HUMAN PATHOGENS, INFECTIOUS MATERIAL, POISON IVY, POISON, OAK, OR POISON SUMAC WITHIN 50

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FEET OF AN OCCUPIED RESIDENCE, HUMAN ECTO, PARASITES, HARMFUL CHEMICAL AGENTS, AIR CONTAMINANTS, AND HAZARDOUS OR NUISANCE CONCENTRATIONS.

THAT'S THE KEY PHRASE HERE AND PROPERLY STORED OR UTILIZED CHEMICAL SUBSTANCES AND PHYSICAL FACILITIES OR EQUIPMENT IN A CONDITION LIKELY TO RESULT IN HUMAN INJURY OR DISEASE TRANSMISSION.

IF, UM, YOU HAVE HER POLLUTION, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, WHAT ARE THE OFFENSES FOR THAT? SO IN THAT SAME SECTION AS 22.46, UM, REFERS TO AIR POLLUTION, AND IT'S A VERY SHORT SECTION OF A PERSON COMMITS AN OFFENSE.

UH, IF HE CAUSES SUFFERS, ALLOWS OR PERMITS THE EMISSION OR DISCHARGE OF AN AIR CONTAMINANT, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE DEFINITIONS I READ, UH, WHICH WILL CAUSE AIR POLLUTION.

AND WHAT ABOUT HEALTH I'M SORRY, AND HEALTH HAZARD.

THE SECTION BELOW THAT A PERSON COMMITS AN OFFENSE.

IF HE CALLS SUFFERS, ALLOWS OR PERMITS A HEALTH HAZARD ON ANY PUBLIC PLACE OR ANY LOT GROUND YARD OR RESIDENTS IN THE CITY.

SO THOSE ARE THE ORDINANCES THAT RELATE TO ODOR THAT'S.

THOSE ARE THE TEETH OF THE ORDINANCE THAT OUR DEPARTMENT USES TO ENFORCE, UM, ODOR NUISANCES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

SURE.

THANK YOU.

MA'AM CUSTOMER SMITH.

YEAH, YOU'RE GETTING AWAY.

UM, BACK ON THE DEFINITION AND 22.45, UH, WHERE IT DEFINES AIR CONTAMINANT, UH, THE END OF THAT SENTENCE DOES SAY PRODUCED BY PROCESSES OTHER THAN NATURAL, RIGHT? AND SO COMPOSTING GENERALLY IS A NATURAL PROCESS.

IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR IMPLEMENTATION THAT LEADS US TO BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE OTHER ANYTHING OTHER THAN COMPOSTS THAT SIMULATES A NATURAL PROCESS? I THINK, AND I MAY, BRIAN ENGLAND MAY SPEAK UP HERE AND CORRECT ME, BUT COMPOSTING IS, UM, UM, HOW'S THE BEST WAY TO SAY THIS COMPOSTING USES OR ENHANCES A NATURAL PROCESS? MY UNDERSTANDING OF COMPOSTING AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE A COMPOSTING EXPERT.

I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT HERE.

SO YOU'RE, UM, COMPOSTING UTILIZES OR SPEEDS UP NATURAL PROCESSES TO, UM, DEGRADE, I GUESS, IS FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, ORGANIC WASTE DOWN TO MORE BASIC MATERIALS THAT CAN BE USED FOR SOIL NUTRIENTS.

RIGHT.

IS THERE ANYTHING, UH, ARE WE SEEING ANY INTENT TO ADD ANY SORT OF CHEMICAL MIXTURE THAT'S NOT NORMAL VEGETATION? UM, OBVIOUSLY THEY LEAVING MEAT AND DAIRY OUT OF IT, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SMELL SPOILAGE, BUT I'M TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT, IF THERE'S ANY REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS, WHICH IS JUST A FOCUSED AND CONCENTRATED NATURAL PROCESS? WELL, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING FROM AN, I SUPPOSE FROM A, FROM A NUISANCE VALLEY OR FROM A NUISANCE STANDPOINT, I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE COMPOSTING PROCESS ITSELF, THE PHYSICAL PROCESS OF SPEEDING UP THAT DECOMPOSITION WOULD BE THE UNNATURAL PART.

OKAY.

AND, AND BRINGING MATERIALS TO THE SITE THAT WEREN'T THERE NATURALLY.

OKAY.

DO WE HAVE ANY CONCERNS AT ALL ABOUT, UM, UH, GROUNDWATER OR WASH OUT FROM, UH, WHEN IT RAINS ON THIS SITE? UH, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S WE THINK MIGHT BE OUT OF THE ORDINARY OR ARE THE CONTAINERS SORT OF DESIGNED WITH THAT IN MIND? AND THAT MAY BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT THAT MAY BE MORE OF A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

HAVE NOT, I'VE NOT THOUGHT THROUGH THAT.

UM, I'M NOT AWARE OF THE FEW COMPOSTING OPERATIONS THAT I'VE SEEN.

I'M NOT AWARE OF PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH RUNOFF OTHER THAN TOTAL SUSPENDED SOLIDS.

OKAY.

SORT OF SIMILAR TO EROSION.

OKAY.

I THINK THE ONLY OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS, IS SMELL AND UNLESS THE APPLICANT, BUT BROUGHT A SAMPLE SMELL WITH THEM, WE MAY BE OUT OF LUCK ON THAT, BUT I KNOW I KEEP MY COMPOST PILE, UH, OUT BY THE GARAGE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SMELL IT WALKING IN AND OUT OF MY HOUSE.

AND SO I WORRY ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN GENERAL WHEN IT COMES TO A LARGE CONCENTRATION OF COMPOST.

UH, BUT I'LL BE HONEST JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING GOES IN MY COMPOST PILE.

SO WE'RE NOT BEING PICKY AT HOME.

THANK YOU.

MA'AM.

THANK YOU, SIR.

COUNCILMAN ROBIN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, I APOLOGIZE FOR PUNCHING IN AGAIN, JASON, SORRY, MAN.

UM, BUT BASED ON OUR CURRENT ORDINANCES, IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED AND THERE WERE PROBLEMS WITH ODORS OR WHATNOT, I MEAN, THEN YOU GUYS CAN TELL YOU, I MEAN, WE HAVE ORDINANCES REGARDING ODORS, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU GUYS CAN TAKE ACTION.

YES, SIR.

IT IS MY OPINION THAT THE ORDINANCE WOULD COVER ODORS, NUISANCE ODORS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS TYPE OF PROCESS.

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OKAY.

SO EVEN IF WE WERE, IT'S NOT LIKE WE APPROVE IT AND THEN YOU KNOW, THAT THEN COMPLAINTS OR, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE TOO BAD, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

I MEAN, IF WE APPROVE IT IN THERE, TURN OUT TO BE PROBLEMS AND WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE, WE WOULD RESPOND.

AND AGAIN, IT'S MY OPINION THAT THE ORDINANCE, RIGHT.

ALLOW US TO ADDRESS THOSE.

YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS DO THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS, DEALING WITH NOISE, ODORS, OTHER HEALTH-RELATED STUFF, ALL THAT.

YES, SIR.

OKAY.

UH, AND FOR MR. ENGLAND, UM, IT, AND I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THE APPLICANT SAYING THAT NO MEAT OR DAIRY OR, OR WHATEVER, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT COMPOSTING TO KNOW WHAT CAUSES SMELLS, BUT IS THERE, IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO MEMORIALIZE THAT WITHIN THE SUP? SURE.

WE COULD, UM, ADD A PROVISION AND A SPECIAL PROVISION IN THAT GP THAT RESTRICTS THE TOP OF, OF, UH, PRODUCTS THAT ARE PUT INTO THE COMPOSTING PILES.

OKAY.

AND AS LONG IT, AND WHEN YOU GUYS COME UP, I WILL ASK YOU THAT QUESTION, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT.

UM, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN IS THAT BECAUSE WHEN WE APPROVE THESE, SUP'S, THEY, THEY RUN WITH THE LAND AND NOT WITH THE APPLICANT THAT SOMEBODY COULD COME BACK LATER AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOW GOING, YOU KNOW, W FORGET WHAT THOSE OTHER PEOPLE SAID, WHERE THE PALEO COMPOSTING FOLKS, AND WE ARE ONLY COMPOSTING MEAT AND DAIRY.

SO I, I, THAT'S THE ONE LITTLE CONCERN THAT I HAVE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU THERE.

SORRY.

UH, COUNCILOR WILLIAMS. YOU'RE BACK IN THE QUEUE.

IS IT FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT.

AT THIS TIME, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM WILLIAMS, THIS TIME, JASON, JASON, PLEASE STOP SITTING SO FAR AWAY FROM THE PODIUM.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN YOU FOR A WHILE.

YOU KNOW, UH, JUST, JUST A CURIOSITY QUESTION, JASON, YOU MENTIONED, UM, IN RESPONSE TO COUNCIL NOVICE QUESTION, THERE'S SOME STEPS WE CAN TAKE.

IF, IF YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU GET SOME COMPLAINTS ABOUT ODORS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

ARE THERE ANY THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE IN ADVANCE OF THAT A PROACTIVELY AND TELL THEM THIS IS NOT A TOP TESTING OR SAMPLING WHEN I LOOK AT, AND AGAIN, WHEN I READ THROUGH THE COMMENTS THAT COMES FROM THE NEIGHBORS OF DISPLACE, THERE'S A COMMON THEME THAT KEEPS CROPPING UP AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THE, THE OLDEST.

SO I DON'T KNOW YOU TELL ME IF, IF THAT, SO IN ORDER FOR US TO ADDRESS IT, WILL WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR A QUOTE COMPLAINT IN ORDER TO ADDRESS ANY ODOR OR ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, OR IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO PROACTIVELY ABSENT A COMPLAINT FROM SOMEBODY? CAN YOU, THE, I GUESS THE BEST ANSWER THAT I CAN GIVE YOU IS IT WOULD BE UNUSUAL FOR US TO TAKE ENFORCEMENT ACTION ON NUISANCE ODORS, SPECIFICALLY ABSENT A COMPLAINT BECAUSE TYPICALLY, UM, TYPICALLY THE COMPLAINANT IS, UH, ADJOINING PROPERTY ON A RIDE AND, AND IN SOME WAY, THE NUISANCE ODOR, UM, INFRINGES ON THEIR ABILITY TO ENJOY THEIR PROPERTY.

UM, SO THAT'S HOW WE GET INVOLVED.

AND OF COURSE THE, UM, YOU KNOW, ENFORCEMENT IS, UH, IS, UH, THERE IS A SPECTRUM OF ENFORCEMENT ALL THE WAY FROM JUST A WARNING OR EDUCATION TO CITATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, LEGAL ACTION.

BUT, UM, IT WOULD BE AGAIN TO GET BACK TO YOUR BASIC QUESTION, IT WOULD BE, UH, I CANNOT THINK OF AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE WE HAVE PROACTIVELY SOUGHT OUT ENFORCEMENT OF, OF NUISANCE ODORS OR SIMILAR NUISANCES.

OKAY.

SO IN SUMMARY, WHAT, WHICH, WHAT WOULD YOUR, UH, PROFESSIONAL RESPONSE BE TO THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED IN THIS PACKET BY NEARBY NEIGHBORS AT THIS POINT? WHAT WOULD YOU, WHAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE APPROVE THIS, THAT THEY WAIT AND FOLLOW THE COMPLAINT PROTOCOL IS, IS THAT, IS THAT THEIR ONLY OPTION? AND I'M, I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO, IF YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH ALL OF THIS, TRYING TO SAY WITH THAT, IS THAT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE IN ORDER FOR THEM TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS REGARDING

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ODORS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS IS TO FOLLOW OUR COMPLAINT PROTOCOL, CORRECT? CORRECT.

THE NORMAL PROCESS IS OF COURSE THEY OBSERVE A NUISANCE.

THEY CALL US IT'S BEST TO CALL US EARLY.

UM, DON'T, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE NEIGHBORS NOT TO FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE TO ENDURE THIS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME UNTIL IT IS DRIVING THEM CRAZY.

RIGHT.

THE EARLIER THAT WE'RE INVOLVED THE BETTER, UM, AND WE'LL TALK WITH THEM, ASCERTAIN THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE LEVEL OF THE NUISANCE, IF WE FEEL LIKE THAT MEETS AN ENFORCEMENT LEVEL.

AND AT THAT POINT, WE'LL TALK WITH THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER, UM, TO, UH, UM, AGAIN, BEGIN THE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS.

AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE A NASTY THING TO DO, BUT TYPICALLY IT'S EDUCATION.

WHAT CAN WE DO DIFFERENT? THIS IS THE PROBLEM WE'RE SEEING.

WHAT CAN WE DO DIFFERENT? WHAT CAN YOU DO DIFFERENT TO PREVENT NUISANCE ODORS IN THIS CASE? OKAY.

MY LAST QUESTION IS MR. ATTORNEY CALL ME IF, IF, IF YOU NEED TO KNOW YOU WILL, UM, TRANSPORT, ONCE THIS IS DONE, IT'S GOING TO BE SENT SOMEWHERE AND IT GOES DOWN THE PUDDLE STRAIGHT AGAIN, OLDER CONTROL, ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL, HOW IT, THAT KIND OF THING ALL, OR HOW WOULD THAT KIND OF THING B BE ADDRESS? THAT IS A QUESTION THAT I HAVE NOT ANTICIPATED.

UM, IT WOULD STRANGLING HELPED ME.

UM, I'M, I'M JUST, I KNOW IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I'M JUST NOT SURE IT'S RELEVANT TO WHAT THE DECISION OF THE COUNCIL TONIGHT, IT'S OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF WHAT YOU ALL ARE TRYING TO DECIDE, AND THAT BEING, IS THIS A PROPER LAND USE FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION? YES.

YEAH.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT, BUT AGAIN, I, I, I GO BACK TO THE CONCERNS THAT AN IN THE PACKET, THE ODOR ISSUE, I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M LOOKING AT, AND PERHAPS THE APPLICANT CAN RESPOND TO THAT, BUT THERE IS A, THERE'S A TRANS SUPPORT PIECE TO THIS AND WHERE THE PRODUCT IS GOING TO LEAVE THE PREMISES.

AND SO I'LL JUST YOU GIVING ME YOUR ANSWER.

I'LL HOLD THAT.

AND I'LL DEFER TO, UH, THE AFRICANS, PERHAPS THEY CAN ADDRESS THIS QUESTION WHEN THEY COME UP FOR PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

AND TO THAT POINT, I WOULD SAY, UH, THE MOST COMPARABLE, UM, AS MUCH AS I LOVE THEM, OUR SANITATION TRUCKS THAT WE RUN IN THIS CITY, UM, DON'T ALWAYS, DON'T ALWAYS SMELL GOOD.

SO, AND THEY'RE DRIVING DOWN EVERY STREET EVERY DAY IN THE CITY, SO THAT'S KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, WHOA THAT'S ANYWAY.

SO BEFORE JASON SITS DOWN, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, SPECIFICALLY JASON, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE APPLICANT.

ALL RIGHT, JASON, THANK YOU.

MADAM SECRETARY, I'M ASSUMING WE HAVE MULTIPLE CARDS ON THE SIDE OF THEM.

HAVE A CARD FOR PETER KAVANAUGH, MR. KAVANAUGH, IF YOU COULD GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, YOU'LL HAVE 10 MINUTES FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND QUESTIONS.

UH, IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS, UH, FOR AGAINST THE ITEM, WE WILL OFFER YOU TIME FOR REBUTTAL.

IF IT IS NECESSARY.

MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, MY NAME IS PETER CAVENAUGH.

MY ADDRESS IS 1620 HANDLEY DRIVE IN DALLAS.

UH, LAUREN CLARK, WHO'S THE MASTER COMPOSTER, UH, THAT OWNS AND OPERATES TURN COMPOST IS HERE WITH US.

SHE WILL TAKE MOST OF MY 10 MINUTES.

I HOPE.

UM, UH, AMY HEATH IS THE OWNER OF TEXAS TREE SURGEONS.

THAT'S THE COMPANY THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY AND OPERATES THE TREE BUSINESS.

UH, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE TEXAS TREE SURGEONS WERE THEIR FIRST, UH, THEIR OBJECTIVE OF COURSE IS TO, UH, IS, IS THE BETTER HEALTH OF TREES.

AND OCCASIONALLY THAT, UH, WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY ACTUALLY WILL TRIM A TREE OR SOME CASE AFTER TOTALLY REMOVE A TREE AND, AND IN A MANNER, UH, THEY TRY TO, UH, RECYCLE THOSE TREES, WHETHER THE BIG PIECES OR FIREWOOD OR THE SMALL PIECES ARE SORT OF A COMPOSTED PRODUCT.

UM, THEY'VE BEEN FORTUNATE TO, UH, EFFECTIVELY BEING, UH, INTRODUCED TO, TO TURN COMPOST UNTIL LAUREN CLARK WHO RUNS IT.

AND, UH, I CA I THINK THEY'VE ALL CHOSEN JUST TO BE BASICALLY A PARTNER, UH, TO TAKE THE, UH, TREAT SMALL, SMALL PIECES.

I'M SURE THERE'S A BETTER TERM THAN MY TERM OF SMALL PIECES, BUT, UH, TO TURN THAT INTO COMPOST AND, AND DO THAT PROCESS FASTER.

SO ONE OF THE REASONS, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE SIX FOOT PILES, IS THAT THE WAY THEY TURN THE PILES IS SMALL BOBCAT TYPE TRACTOR

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THAT JUST GOES, PICKS IT UP AND ROLLS IT OVER.

AND THEY JUST, THAT'S HOW THEY TURN THE, SO THE SIX-FOOT IS RATHER THAN A RULE OF THE CITY.

IT'S A CONVENIENCE OF THE PROCESS.

SO THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.

AND, UH, SHE'S GOING TO SPEAK IN A MINUTE AND I'VE NEVER HAD THE FORTUNE OF TRYING TO ASK HER QUESTIONS.

SHE DIDN'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO A, AS YOU'VE RECEIVED A LETTER, A HOPEFULLY A COPY OF THE LETTER TO OUR NEIGHBOR.

UH, SHE'S ONE OF THE 15, UH, MASTER COMPOSTERS IN THE UNITED STATES.

UM, AND, UH, UH, I THINK WE'LL BE A GOOD CITIZEN FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

ANOTHER GOOD, UH, CITIZEN OF THE COMMUNITY THOUGH, IS, UM, MR. , WHO IS THE EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE HOSPITAL TO BEHAVIORAL HOSPITAL IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO US, I THINK YOU MAY HAVE SEEN HIS RESPONSE, UH, FRANKLY, UH, HE DID A LITTLE BIT BETTER JOB THAN I DID, BUT HE HAD THE SAME RESPONSE IDEA.

WHEN I FIRST TALKED TO HER, I SAID, WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT SMELL? THEY SAID, WELL, WE DON'T USE MEAT.

WE DON'T USE DAIRY PRODUCTS.

THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT CAUSE I, MY FIRST TERM WAS METHANE GAS AND THEY DON'T USE THOSE AT THIS, AT THIS LOCATION BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A PROPER LOCATION TO DO THAT KIND OF COMPOSTING.

THERE ARE OTHER LOCATIONS, MORE INDUSTRIAL, LARGE CITY TYPE, LOTS THAT DO THIS, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IS PLANNED TO BE HAPPENING HERE.

SO, UH, IT CERTAINLY AN AGREEMENT WITH OUR NEIGHBOR AND, AND BY THE WAY, SHE SET UP A LETTER EXPLAINING AND ADDRESSING HIS ISSUES, WHICH A COPY WAS SENT TO YOU.

I HOPE YOU RECEIVED THAT.

UH, UH, AND I'VE, UH, FOLLOWED UP WITH A COUPLE OF CALLS TO HIM, UH, YESTERDAY AND AGAIN TODAY.

AND HE DIDN'T RESPOND.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT HE'S WITH US OR AGAINST US, BUT IN FACT, HE DID NOT RESPOND AFTER THE LETTERS TO HIM.

BUT I THINK THAT THE LETTER, UH, BY LAUREN DID A GOOD JOB OF ADDRESSING HIS ISSUES.

AND I THINK HER LETTER ADDRESSED A LOT OF ISSUES THAT YOU BROUGHT UP, BUT SHE'S GOING TO STAND UP NOW AND, AND, UM, UH, UH, ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.

ANYTHING ELSE SHE THINKS IS IMPORTANT AND, UH, UH, IT'S FUN TO HEAR PEOPLE ASK HER QUESTIONS BECAUSE, UH, YOU'LL KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT COMPOSTING, HOPEFULLY AT THE END OF THIS MEETING THAN YOU KNEW WHEN YOU STARTED.

SO I'D ASKED FOR LAUREN TO PLEASE SPEAK, AND IF YOU COULD GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND HAVE YOU REGISTERED TO SPEAK TONIGHT? VERY GOOD.

MY NAME IS LAUREN CLARK.

I'M THE FOUNDER AND CEO OF TURN COMPOST, LLC.

MY ADDRESS IS PO BOX 1 4 1 2 2 4, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 4.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE.

MR. MAYOR, HONORABLE COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, WILL GARREN MR. KAVANAUGH AND JASON, SORRY FOR ALL THE ATTENTION YOU'VE GOTTEN THIS EVENING, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

UM, I'M A SEVENTH GENERATION NATIVE TEXAN.

UM, I STARTED TURNING COMPOST FOUR YEARS AGO BECAUSE I BECAME ACUTELY AWARE OF A MASSIVE PROBLEM WE HAVE FOR OUR ENVIRONMENT.

AND THAT IS FOOD WASTE.

ACCORDING TO THE EPA FOOD WASTE ACCOUNTS FOR 40% OF WHAT GOES INTO OUR WASTE STREAM, WHICH IS A BIG PROBLEM FOR OUR ENVIRONMENT FOR, UH, GREENHOUSE GASES.

IT'S ALSO WASTED RESOURCE BECAUSE FOOD WASTE SHOULD BE TURNED INTO THINGS LIKE COMPOST.

AND THAT'S WHY I STARTED TURNED FOUR YEARS AGO.

UM, SO WE ARE ON A MISSION TO REDUCE SOME RECYCLED FOOD WASTE, AND WE DO THAT AT A COMMUNITY SCALE.

UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE AT THIS SPACE IN GARLAND.

UM, I'M A MASTER GARDENER AND MASTER COMPOSTER WITH TEXAS A AND M AGRILIFE.

AND I AM THE 15TH WOMAN IN THE UNITED STATES TO BECOME A US COMPOST COUNCIL CERTIFIED OPERATIONS MANAGER, WHICH I'M QUITE PROUD OF.

SO MY SEVEN-YEAR-OLD CALLS ME A COMPOST LADY AND MY LATE GRANDMOTHER WOULD SAY, HONEY, YOU'RE A RARE BIRD.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT OF PAST ABOUT WHY, WHY TURN EXISTS BECAUSE WE'RE FIGHTING FOOD WASTE.

WE DO TO COMMUNITY A SCALE.

WHAT WE DO IS NOT SOLD IS GIVEN BACK TO OUR, UH, OUR SUBSCRIBERS AT HOUSEHOLD LEVEL AND ALSO TO COMMUNITY GARDENS.

SO WE'RE VERY MUCH FOCUSED ON THE COMMUNITY.

SECONDLY, I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW A COMPOST IS MADE AND I'M GOING TO USE A COOKING ANALOGY.

THERE ARE FOUR BASIC INGREDIENTS.

I'M SURE YOU'LL LOVE TO COOK, AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT FLOM BAY.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, UM, UH, CHOCOLATE SOUFFLE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BISCUITS AND CORNBREAD.

OKAY.

FOUR BASIC INGREDIENTS, OXYGEN, UH, WATER BROWN MATERIALS, WHICH ARE CARBON AND FOUR, WHICH ARE NITROGEN.

THE STUFF THAT TEXAS TREE SURGEONS HAVE IS THE MULCH, THE BROWN STUFF.

WHAT WE PROVIDE IS THE GREEN STUFF, THE NITROGEN, AND AS FOOD SCRAPS, IT'S NOT ME.

IT'S NOT DAIRY, IT'S NOT OILS.

ALL THAT STUFF DOES ATTRACT RODENTS, UNWANTED VISITORS AND GREAT SMELLS.

WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THIS PROJECT IS VEGETATIVE WASTE.

AGAIN, IT'S SMALL SCALE.

UM, THOSE THINGS ARE MIXED TOGETHER WITH WATER OVER TIME, AND IT CREATES COMPOST.

IT IS A NATURAL PROCESS TO ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS EARLIER.

WE DID NOT ADD ANY CHEMICALS TO IT.

THIS IS ALL MOTHER NATURE DOING ITS WORK OVER TIME.

UM, SO AGAIN, THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AS A LESSEE OF TEXAS TREE SURGEONS IS JUST TO USE A SMALL AMOUNT OF THEIR OUTDOOR SPACE WITH SOME SIMPLE PILES AND SOME SIMPLE WINDOWS TO MIX TOGETHER, THESE FOOD SCRAPS

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WITH THEIR MALT AND TO MAKE COMPOST FOR THE COMMUNITY.

UM, I'M WELL, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL HAVE.

I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS ABOUT PATHOGENS.

UM, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT ALL THE COMPOST WE'VE CREATED IN THE PAST YEAR FOR YEARS IS, UH, SENT TO THE TEXAS A AND M.

SO A LABORATORY FOR TESTING, UM, INCLUDING NUTRIENT LEVELS AND EXISTENCE OF PATHOGENS.

AND WE ALSO USE THE SOLVITA TEST, WHICH IS A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED TEST THAT, UM, RECOGNIZES MATURITY AND, UM, THE STABILITY OF THE COMPOST FOR THE SOIL.

AND I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN A CONCERN ABOUT, UM, THE INHALATION OF PATHOGENS AND THAT MY HISTORY OF MY EDUCATION, THE, UM, AEROSOLIZATION OF COMPOST IS NOT A THREAT.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT FITS A THREAT IS A VISIT INGESTED.

AND IF IT'S NOT MATURE.

SO I RECOGNIZE THAT THE DESCENT AND THE CONCERNS, UM, ON BEHALF OF THEIR PARTIES, BUT I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY COMPANY, THE PROPOSED PROJECT, AND, UM, A LITTLE COMPOST EDUCATION FOR Y'ALL.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND I'M GOING TO PASS THE MIC TO AMY HEATH FROM TEXAS TREE SURGEONS.

I WILL TELL YOU, YOU HAVE ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MINUTES ON THE CLOCK.

I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY HI, JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THE BUSINESS OF 1 96, SOUTH INTERNATIONAL.

AND, UM, WHEN 2019 BEING IN THE TREE WORLD FOR THE LAST 16 YEARS WAS A HUGE STORM.

WE HAD THE TORNADOES AND THEN THE FRONTLINE WINDS ALL ACROSS THE METROPLEX, IT WAS A TOTAL MESS TREE COMPANIES CAN OPERATE.

CITIES CAN OPERATE, DUMPS, CAN OPERATE.

THOSE WOULD WASTE WAS EVERYWHERE.

SO I SET MY EYE ON FINDING THE RIGHT PLACE TO OPERATE AND REDUCE THIS WASTE IN DUMPS, SITTING ON PEOPLE'S CURVES FOR MONTHS AT A TIME OVERWHELMING ALL THE SYSTEMS WE HAD.

SO GETTING THIS LAND IN GARLAND, WE WERE SO EXCITED THAT THIS WAS A POSSIBILITY AND TAKING THE LAND FROM, UM, CONCHO BRIDGE CONSTRUCTION FOR Y'ALL WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOREVER AT FULBRIGHT.

THE OWNER WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT WE WERE DOING AND RESTORING IT THERE.

UM, AND JUST STARTING WOOD WASTE RECYCLING.

SO WE DO THE FIREWOOD SIDE OF THINGS THAT IS SOLD PEOPLE DRIVE THROUGH BY IT, OR IT'S MOSTLY DELIVERED DURING THE STORMS. IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, THE COMMUNITY HAS BENEFITED FROM HAVING OUR WOOD THERE.

WE ALSO HAVE A FREE WOODPILE FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED IT.

SO WE GIVE THAT AWAY MUCH, LIKE TURN OUR MISSION IS TO HELP THE COMMUNITY WE'RE IN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, BUT WE HAVE THIS MULCH AND WE NEED SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT.

OTHER THAN THROW IT IN A DUMP OR LEAVE IT AT SOMEBODY'S HOUSE, MAKE A MESS AND STRESS OUT CITY SYSTEMS THAT WAY.

AND OUR SOLUTION IS WORKING WITH THEM BECAUSE I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT COMPOST, BUT EVERYTHING ABOUT TREES.

SO THAT'S ALL I GOT FOR YOU GUYS.

AND LADIES, THANK YOU.

SURE.

YOU DON'T HAVE 44 MORE SECONDS OF INFORMATION.

OH, WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT? WE DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

I'M NOT SURE WHO THEY'RE GOING TO BE DIRECTED AT.

SO EVERYBODY BE ON YOUR TOES.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MORE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

ONE OF THE THINGS OF SITTING HERE ON COUNCIL, IT'S YOU, YOU LEARN SO MUCH, AS YOU STATED EARLIER, YOU LEARN SO MUCH ABOUT THINGS THAT YOU NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT.

AND AS YOU'RE LEARNING, OF COURSE, QUILLS ARE TURNING IN YOUR HEAD AND YOU'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE, WHAT ELSE, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE POTENTIAL? AND, UH, BEING A RELATIVELY NEW TO THE COUNCIL, I HAVE HAD OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO WASTE MANAGEMENT.

I'VE SEEN THE DIFFERENT, UH, UH, WAYS BY WHICH WE CONTROL OLDERS AND THINGS OF THAT ND AND THE IMPORTANCE OF IT.

AND I, I WASN'T THAT CONCERNED UNTIL YOU BEGAN TO TALK ABOUT PUTTING WATER AND THEN USING, UH, THE DIFFERENT FORKLIFTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO, TO TURN IT AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

AND I'M THINKING ABOUT THE HIGH CONCENTRATION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

AND THEN I GO BACK TO THINKING ABOUT WHAT THE, UH, THE PEOPLE THE RESIDENTS HAVE STATED IN THERE AGAINST PROPOSALS.

AND SO, UH, AT THIS POINT, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS SMELL AGAIN.

AND, UH, WERE THERE WAS SOMETHING HERE ABOUT A HOSPITAL BEING CLOSE TO IT, UH, UH, I GUESS, UH, WHAT I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO SPEAK TO AT THIS POINT, ALL THERE, ANY CONTROLS FOR THE SMELL OF, OF, AND JUST THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT WE'VE GOT, I'M SURE TO, WE SMELL THESE SMELLS ALL THE TIME.

I MEAN, THIS STUFF IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THERE, BUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT CONCENTRATED IN A PARTICULAR AREA, MAYBE WE DON'T SMELL IT AS BAD.

UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER CONTROLS THAT YOU WILL BE A MEASURE THAT YOU WILL HAVE IN PLACE? UH, OTHER THAN JUST THE OPEN AIR? YEAH.

I MENTIONED THE REFERENCE TO THE CAKE ANALOGY WITH COOKING AND, UH, THE METHODOLOGIES WITH WHICH YOU COMBINE THIS MATERIAL IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

IT MAY SEEM COUNTERINTUITIVE, BUT IF YOU JUST LEAVE THINGS TO SIT, THEY BECOME ANAEROBIC.

AND THAT MEANS THAT'S WHAT CAUSES SMELLS.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE OXYGEN, YOU'RE NOT TURNING THEM.

YOU'RE NOT ADDING THE WATER.

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THAT IS A BAD THING.

SO THOSE FOUR THINGS MUST HAPPEN.

SO I KNOW IT MID SEEMS COUNTERINTUITIVE.

YOU'RE ADDING WATER AND YOU'RE TURNING IT, BUT THE OXYGENATION ALLOWS THE DECOMPOSITION PROCESS AND THE REDUCTION OF SMELLS TO HAPPEN.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR? IT DOES.

AND, UM, I'M STILL SMELLING IT.

UM, AND AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE HIGH CONCENTRATION OF IT, I'M STILL, UH, YEAH, THE OTHER AND THE HOSPITAL IS THE PIECE THAT'S CONCERNING ME AT THIS POINT.

SURE.

YEAH.

THE OTHER METHODOLOGY THAT IS MEANT TO REDUCE SMELLS AS THE, THE SIZE, THE MASS.

SO WE'VE ALREADY WORKED WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, OUR HIGH, OUR, A WINDROW AND HER PILE HEIGHT WILL BE NO HIGHER THAN SIX FEET.

AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF SPACE IN BETWEEN.

SO IT'S NOT JUST THE INGREDIENTS, BUT IT'S THE WAY IN WHICH THEY ARE MIXED TOGETHER.

THEN THAT METHODOLOGY IN WHICH THEY ARE DONE, I'M HIGHLY QUALIFIED TO MONITOR THOSE.

AND IN THE END, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE COME TO ACCEPT AND, UH, I'M THANKFUL FOR IT IS THAT, UH, I RELY ON STAFF AND IT BASED ON WHAT OUR STAFF ARE SAYING, PRESENTLY, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE FOUGHT THIS THING THROUGH PRETTY WELL.

AND, UH, THERE, THERE IS NOTHING THAT IS SO FIERCE THAT IT'S GOING TO CAUSE ANY PUBLIC SAFETY.

SO THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UH, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM WILLIAMS. THANK YOU MIRROR.

YOU'VE GOT MORE TIME, RIGHT? YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

I'VE LEARNED MORE TONIGHT ABOUT COMPOST.

I JUST BUY, SORRY.

I JUST DROP BY, DROP IT, PUT IT DOWN AND IT'S WET.

AND THEN IT DOES WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO.

UM, TWO QUESTIONS, UH, WHAT EFFECT DOES WEATHER THIS RAIN HAVE ON BECAUSE YOUR, YOUR PILES ARE NOT COVERED, RIGHT? CORRECT.

SO WOULD YOU EXPLAIN BRIEFLY WHAT, WHAT, IF ANY EFFECT DOES THAT HAVE ON THE COMPOSITION, THE, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, DETERIORATION OF THE OTHER PRODUCT, OUR OLDEST? WHAT, WHAT, IF ANY IMPACT DOES WEATHER RAIN SPECIFICALLY HAVE ON A SIX FOOT PILE OF COMPOST? WELL, I GUESS THE SCIENTIFIC ANSWER IS THAT THE IDEAL MOISTURE RATIO FOR COMPOST PRODUCTION AND THE DECOMPOSITION IS 50 TO 65%.

AND SO IN THE STATE LIKE TEXAS, WE'RE ALWAYS WANTING WATER, ALWAYS NEEDED RAIN.

SO RATE IS ACTUALLY A GOOD THING FOR US.

AND USUALLY WHEN WE GET RAIN IN TEXAS, WE GET MORE THAN WE GET TO MOVE EVERYTHING THAT WE WANTED.

DID WE GET HATE? WE GET MORE HEAT THAN WE ASK FOR.

AND USUALLY WE GET MORE RAIN THAN PREDICTED.

SO IS THAT, SO IT'S A CONSTANT PROCESS.

UM, IT'S NOT, UH, THIS IS THAT COMPOSTING IS A DYNAMIC PROCESS WITH MONITOR WEEKLY.

AGAIN, IT'S LIKE A CONSTANT COOKING PROCESS.

YOU NEED TO WANDER TO THE HEAT.

YOU NEED TO MONITOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE CONDITIONS, THE RAIN, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I'M ALL TRAINED TO DO.

OUR STAFF IS TRAINED TO DO.

UM, AND SO WE, WE ADJUST WEEKLY AND AGAIN, I WANT TO, I WANT TO COMMENT THAT WE'RE NOT AN INDUSTRIAL FACILITY.

UM, WE ARE A COMMUNITY COMPOSTING FACILITY WHERE A SMALL WE'RE PRODUCING A PER PROPOSING, A VERY SMALL SCALE OPERATION, BUT THE RAIN IS A GOOD THING.

THE RAIN IS A GOOD THING.

OKAY.

I WANT A SECOND QUESTION IS WHAT WILL, WHAT WILL KEEP THE PILES FROM GETTING HIGHER THAN SIX FEET? UH, HOW WILL, HOW WILL, HOW WILL THAT PROCESS BE MANAGED? YES, IT WILL BE MANAGED BY MYSELF AS THE SITE OPERATOR.

AND IN FACT, MY ORGANIZATION IS THE ONLY ORGANIZATION IN TEXAS, EVEN AS A COMMUNITY COMPETENCY ORGANIZATION THAT HAS TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE CERTIFIED BY THE U S COMPOSTING COUNCIL TO BE CERTIFIED COMPOST OPERATIONS MANAGERS.

SO EVEN THE BIG GUYS DON'T HAVE THE LEVEL OF CERTIFICATION THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE I REALLY CARE SO MUCH ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR OUR COMMUNITY, THAT I WENT TO THE EXTRA LEVEL TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, TO BE SURE THAT WHAT OUR COMMUNITY GETS IS RIGHT AND SAFE AND GOING TO BE GOOD FOR OUR ENVIRONMENT.

OKAY.

MY LAST QUESTION FOR YOU, UM, YOUR RESPONSE, YOUR LETTER, SO YOUR LETTER TO THE HOSPITAL, OR THERE WERE A NUMBER OF RESPONSES IN THE PACKET.

CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT WAS THE LEVEL OF YOUR COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE HOSPITAL? I SEE THE LETTERS HERE, BUT WITH, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF, OF NOS.

DON'T DO THIS HERE.

DID YOU HAVE ANY CONVERSATION OR INTERACTION WITH SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT THEY THEY'VE ARTICULATED AND THEIR RESPONSES? CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? UH, TO BE HONEST, I JUST GOT THOSE NOTIFICATIONS THIS AFTERNOON AT TWO O'CLOCK.

YES.

SO I HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THOSE, BUT, UM, WE DID GET THE NOTIFICATION LETTER, I BELIEVE.

MR. KAVANAUGH, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT? OR, UH, WE GOT THE LETTER FROM THE HOSPITAL,

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UM, ON THE 11TH, I BELIEVE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS.

AND WE WERE, UH, IT WAS LATE LAST WEEK.

CAUSE I PREPARED A LETTER THAT DAY ON FRIDAY AND RESPOND TO THE HOSPITAL.

UH, THE OTHER RESPONSES, UH, I BELIEVE WERE FROM THE APARTMENTS AT THE VERY EDGE OF OUR NOTIFICATION AREA.

YOU GET THOSE ONE CAME WITH THE PLAN COMMISSION LEVEL.

UM, AND THE OTHER TWO WE GOT IN THE LAST FOUR DAYS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT, BUT YEAH, AND THE FIRST ONE THAT CAME FROM THE APARTMENTS, THE LADY WAS THE MANAGER OF THE APARTMENTS AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PHONE NUMBER BECAUSE I TRIED TO FIND HER AT THE TIME.

AND THE OTHER, I THINK THE APARTMENT MAY BE IS JUST SMALL ENOUGH THAT THEY DON'T MAYBE HAVE A MANAGEMENT OFFICE.

UM, AND, AND I TRIED TO FIND HER, BUT I FRANKLY DIDN'T CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING.

UM, THE OTHER, OTHER TWO WERE FROM, I BELIEVE THE APARTMENTS IS WHAT ONE SAID.

HE WAS A, THE, UM, NOT THE MAINTENANCE MAN, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, A MANAGER OF SOME TYPE, MAYBE THE MAINTENANCE MAN, I BELIEVE AT APARTMENT COMPLEX.

AND, UH, HIS, HE DID RIGHT.

UH, THAT HIS CONCERN WAS THE SAME AS OUR HOSPITAL NEXT DOOR, THE SMELL OF THIS STUFF.

AND I KIND OF WROTE, WAS COMFORTABLE THINKING THAT THAT THAT IS ADDRESSED AND THEY RESPONDED EXACTLY.

LIKE I JUST SAID, WHAT ABOUT THE SMELL OF THIS STUFF? AND, AND THE COMPOSTING PROCESS AND THE INGREDIENTS SHE USES ELIMINATE THE SMELL ISSUE.

SO I WAS NOT FRANKLY CONCERNED, UH, THAT WE ARE ANSWERING THEIR CONCERNS AND THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING A SMELL FROM THE PRODUCT.

OKAY.

BUT, BUT, BUT YOU DID NOT EAT, YOU HAVE NOT HAD COMMUNICATION WITH THE APARTMENT PEOPLE THAT'S QUICK, RIGHT? YES, SIR.

YES, SIR.

OKAY.

MR. AARON? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

HELP ME WITH THIS.

UM, I'M ON THE, I'M SORT OF LEAVING A COMPOST PIECE, INTIMATES COMMUNICATION PIECE.

UH, MY, MY CONCERN HE IS, IS HE GOES, WE, WE HAVE TO GO CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY THE COMMUNITY.

AND, UH, ONE COMMUNITY WAS, UH, MULTIFAMILY COMMUNITY, UH, TO THE HOSPITAL CONCERNS IN THAT LETTER THAT, THAT YOU SENT BACK, IT WAS CLEAR.

UH, BUT, BUT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOTHING HERE TO INDICATE RESPONSES TO THE RESIDENTIAL, MEANING THE, THE MULTIFAMILY, HOW, HOW CAN WE, HOW CAN WE ADDRESS THAT AT LEAST SOME KIND OF CONTACT? UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF YOUR RESPONSE, IF THE AFRICAN'S RESPONSE ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS.

GREAT.

OKAY.

BUT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING IN THE FI IN ITS FILE THAT THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA, OR, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE, ARE COMFORTABLE WITH AND UNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS.

OKAY, MR. ENGLAND, PLEASE STAY ON.

HELP ME.

UM, I'M TRYING TO IMAGINE HOW THAT QUESTION, ALTHOUGH IT MAY BE A RELEVANT QUESTION IN REGARD TO PROCESS, I'M NOT SURE HOW IT'S A RELEVANT QUESTION IN REGARD TO THE LAND USE.

WELL, TH WELL, THERE THEY'RE QUESTIONED THE CA THEIR COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS, DEALS, DEALS WITH THE LAND USE.

AND THE ONLY THING I'M TRYING TO, TRYING TO GET, GET A COMFORT LEVEL WITH IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, UH, THE HOSPITAL INFORMATION IT'S IT'S IN HERE.

OKAY.

AND, UH, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF RESPONSES, BUT THE, THE NEXT LARGEST CONTINUANCY OF, OF THE COMMUNITY, THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

SO I'M TRYING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE, I RECOMMEND THAT WE NOT PROCEED DOWN THAT PATH, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S RELEVANT TO THE LAND USE QUESTION IS RELEVANT TO THE PROCESS QUESTION, BUT NOT THE LAND USE QUESTION ITSELF.

SO HOW DO WE, IT'S NOT ON THE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S ON THE AGENDA DUDE TO DISCUSS TONIGHT OR TO SOLVE TONIGHT.

OKAY.

MAY I ACCEPT THAT? BUT I, I THINK IT'S A PART OF THIS, IT'S A PART OF THIS FILE.

IT'S A PART OF, WELL, BUT SIR, WE DON'T REQUIRE RESPONSES TO EVERY EITHER STEP OR YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.

I UNDERSTAND.

I ACCEPT YOUR ACCEPT, ACCEPTED, ACCEPT, ACCEPT TO CITY ATTORNEY'S OPINION.

BUT, BUT FOR THE RECORD

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THAT ABSENT A RESPONSE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME HEARING FROM THAT COMMUNITY.

AND NOW, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE ABOUT THE LAND.

OKAY.

BUT THAT IS IMPORTANT AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, MR. GAREN, COUNSELOR BASS THINKING.

UM, WE'LL SO, OKAY.

I THINK LAUREN HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE SIMILAR FACILITIES IN OTHER CITIES, IS THAT CORRECT? MR. GARREN? I THINK WE MIGHT BE DONE WITH YOU FOR THE MODEL.

ACTUALLY.

I'VE GOT THE QUESTIONS ACTUALLY FOR, WELL, I JUST WANT LOVE THEN.

OKAY.

LET'S FOCUS.

SO, WELL, MY QUESTION IS THIS, DID WE LOOK AT OTHER SIMILAR FACILITIES TO THIS, UM, THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF COMPOSTING WITHOUT THE MEAT AND THE DAIRY WHERE IT'S NOT GOING TO PRODUCE THE METHANE? DID WE LOOK AT THOSE AND CONFIRM FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THEY, THE, THEIR CITY'S REGISTERED NO COMPLAINTS OF SMELLS PAST FIRES OR HARMFUL PATHOGENS? NO, SIR.

WE DID NOT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO THAT WENT THROUGH CITY AND WENT THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION, JUST TAKING ALL THAT AT FACE VALUE.

UM, WELL, YES, THERE ARE, OF COURSE, LOTS OF QUESTIONS BACK AND FORTH.

UM, WE DID FORTUNATELY HAVE ONE, UH, PLANK ON THERE WHO'S A LITTLE BIT, UM, FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS MORE SO THAN, THAN, UH, UH, MOST OF US IN THE ROOM WHO WAS ABLE TO CONFIRM A FEW THINGS, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT HAS STATED.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND THEN, UM, I GUESS I'D LIKE TO SPEAK WITH WHOEVER'S MOST FAMILIAR WITH THE WIND ROSE.

THANK YOU.

WELL, THANK YOU.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE IT.

SO, CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, THE STRUCTURE OF THOSE AND, UM, THEIR DRAINAGE AND RUNOFF AND, AND GIVE US SOME ASSURANCE THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE STORM WATER CONTAMINATION, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW IF YOU DID HAVE MEAT IN THERE, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ISSUES, RIGHT.

YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE GREASE RUNOFF.

YOU'RE GONNA BE RUNNING INTO HEALTH HAZARDS, BUT, UM, I'M NOT SURE WITHOUT THAT IN THERE, WHAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WHAT'S PRODUCED AND WHAT, AND WHAT KIND OF RUNOFF THERE IS AND HOW WAS THAT RUNOFF NOT GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, STORM WATER CONTAMINATION.

COULD YOU ADDRESS THAT PLEASE? SURE.

ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE COMPOSITION OF THE WINDOWS IN TERMS OF THE INGREDIENTS OR THE MASK THEM AND THE SEPARATION OF THEM, OR, OH, OKAY.

WELL, I MEAN, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE, RIGHT? IS IT, IS IT, UH, OPEN ON ONE SIDE WHERE IT'S ALWAYS DRAINING OUT? IS IT, HOW IS IT AN ENCLOSED BOX WITH HOLES IN THE BOTTOM? I MEAN, CAN, CAN YOU TELL US, TELL US EVERYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, PHYSICALLY ABOUT THEM AND, AND HOW THEY WORK? SURE.

AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT METHODOLOGIES FOR WIND ROWS.

UM, THE MOST COMMON IS CANONICAL IN AND SHAPE AND GR AND GEOMETRY, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

UM, AND THERE ARE TYPICALLY EIGHT FEET WIDE, SIX FEET TALL, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AGAIN, COMMUNITY A SCALE.

UM, PART OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE PROPOSED 20 FEET IN BETWEEN, UM, FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT LANES.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THINGS, UM, COMPOST BERMS THAT HELPED COLLECT THE RAIN WATER.

AND THERE ARE THINGS CALLED RAIN GARDENS THAT ALSO COLLECT AND FILTER ANY SORT OF STORM WATER, BUT DEFINITELY A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN IS PART OF OUR OPERATION.

SO, AND THAT SHOULD BE A PART OF ANY COMPOST OPERATION.

OKAY.

ALSO, AND ALSO, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UM, YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY AND WHEN, WHAT YOUR, WHAT YOUR, UH, WHAT YOUR END GOAL IS HERE.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, OKAY.

UH, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, SIR.

CUSTOMER RIVIERA.

DON'T GO.

UM, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE, UH, OILS LIKE BATON IN OILS, LIKE CANOLA OR ON THE NO, SIR, NO OILS, NO MEATS, NO DAIRIES, NO FATS.

UM, THAT COMPLETELY CHANGES THE METHODOLOGY AT WHICH WE'RE PROPOSING.

AND WE ARE NOT, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THOSE AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO USE IT.

OH, YOU GOING TO HAVE 'EM ON THE SIX SQUARES.

DID YOU HAVE, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE, LIKE, IF IT'S A THUNDERSTORM OR SOMETHING, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE A TOPPER TO TOP IT? SO THE RAIN WON'T GO IN THERE.

WE DON'T PLAN TO COVER IT.

UM, MOST INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES DO NOT COVER IT.

YOU DON'T HAVE A OVERSPILL.

NO, YOU WON'T KNOW.

OKAY.

UM, UH, ALSO I WANT TO TELL YOU I'M A 10TH GENERATION TEXAN THOUGHT.

I'D TELL YOU THAT UPON ME AND I WENT TO A AND M OH, GOOD.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, URBAN.

SORRY, GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU.

MA'AM JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE QUESTIONS YOU'VE ANSWERED TONIGHT.

UM, WOULD YOU BE ALL RIGHT? WOULD YOU BE AGREEABLE TO US WRITING THE SUP IN SUCH A WAY THAT, THAT SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO, I SAID IT THE WRONG

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WAY THAT SAYS THAT YOU CANNOT USE MEAT AND DAIRY AND OILS IN THE COMPOSTING PILES.

YES.

OKAY.

I ASSUME I ASSUME THAT THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

SO THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS THAT INFORMATION WHEN HE WRITES UP THE ORDINANCE.

UM, AND WOULD YOU BE ALL RIGHT WITH, UH, I, I THINK THE REQUEST IS FOR A TEN-YEAR SUP UM, WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH DOING A SEEING AS THERE'S NOT A LOT OF, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE BUILDING BIG BUILDINGS OR ANYTHING HERE, WOULD YOU BE ALL RIGHT WITH A SHORTER SUP SO THAT WE COULD COME BACK? YOU KNOW, IT'S, IF THAT WOULD GIVE SOME COMFORT TO SOME FOLKS ON COUNCIL THAT YOU COME BACK AND EITHER, I DON'T KNOW, THIS'LL BE UP TO SOMEONE ELSE.

I GUESS WE WERE MIXED MOTION, BUT IF YOU COME BACK EITHER, AND I DON'T KNOW, ONE OR TWO OR FIVE YEARS OR SOMETHING, SO THAT IF THERE ARE COMPLAINTS ABOUT SMELLS AND OTHER STUFF, WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE, THEN WE'D BE ALL RIGHT WITH A SHORTER SUP WHAT WOULD YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST, SIR? UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, I, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC IN MIND, BUT I KNOW 10 YEARS, BUT I WOULD THINK IF WE CAME BACK, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAME BACK, LET'S SAY IN LIKE TWO YEARS OR SOMETHING OR NOT, AND I'D PROBABLY DEFER HERE TO MR. VIERRA, BUT MY HOPE IS THAT I HAVE YOURS WITH FIVE YEARS BE RECOMMENDED.

UH, I WOULD BE, HERE'S THE THING.

I WOULD BE FINE WITH FIVE.

I REALLY, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY, I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING THE EDUCATION ACCOUNTS ON THE SCIENCE.

I'M SERIOUS, YOU KNOW, THIS COMPOSTING AND, AND TEACHING US THE SCIENCE, THE SCIENCE ON THIS MATTERS.

AND I KNOW THAT PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF FEARS ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH THINGS THAT CAN GO ON AND SMELLS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU BEING, BRINGING, UM, THE SCIENCE PIECE OF IT IN THE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THE EXPERTISE TO COUNSEL ON THAT.

UM, BUT I, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY, I DON'T KNOW.

I, I WOULD BE FINE WITH FIVE, BUT I'LL, I'LL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE WHAT COUNCIL FEELS ON THAT.

I JUST DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANT TO HAMSTRING YOU GUYS BY DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, BUT I WANT TO MAKE EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE, BUT THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, WE'VE CLEARED THE QUEUE.

UM, MADAM SECRETARY, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS SIDE? UM, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS.

NOPE.

UH, I DO HAVE YOUR CAR, BUT IT SAYS NOT TESTIFYING, BUT DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK, IF YOU CAN GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES, AARON YOUNG, UH, 2 0 1 INTERNATIONAL ROAD.

AND I JUST WANT TO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS, FIRST OF ALL, UH, FOR THAT, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

CAN WE GET THE TIMER RESET PLEASE? TO THREE IT'S ON 10? YEAH.

OKAY.

THERE WE GO.

HIT IT.

OH, THERE IT IS.

THERE YOU GO.

YEAH.

JUST APPRECIATE GUYS HOW THOROUGH YOU ARE.

CAUSE YOU GUYS JUST GOT SWORN IN AND SAID, HEY, THIS IS SOMETHING SERIOUS.

SO DEFINITELY APPRECIATE ALL THE QUESTIONS.

AND I KNOW I HAVEN'T MET YOU GUYS AS NEIGHBORS.

WE'RE JUST ACROSS THE STREET, SO I KNOW IT'S TOUGH BEING GRILLED.

OKAY.

BUT, UM, I THINK YOU KIND OF ADDRESSED IT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO AFFIRM IT, UM, TO WRITE IN THERE NOT TO HAVE A OIL WELLS AND MEAT AND OTHER THINGS THAT MAY CAUSE THOSE SMELLS, UM, CAUSE FROM HEARING BEING EDUCATED ON THE PROCESS, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S, UH, DEFINITELY SOMETHING GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SO AGAIN, I, I PUT, UH, ON UNDECIDED CARPET, I'D BE FOR SUPPORTING THEM AS A NEIGHBOR JUST TO DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET ON THIS.

SO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS.

VERY GOOD.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE SPEAKER? SO QUICK TO LEAVE? ALL RIGHT.

UH, I WILL, UH, ASK THE QUESTION.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE OF, I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME GREAT TESTIMONY HERE, UH, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE COME TO THE END OF THE QUEUE, UH, COUNCILOR REVERE.

THIS IS IN YOUR DISTRICT, SIR.

HANG ON.

YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUNCH IN FOR ME.

THERE YOU GO.

WHEN I CAME TO, UH, TONIGHT, I CAME TO, I'M MAKING THE MOTION TO DENY BECAUSE OF CERTAIN THINGS, BUT, UH, HEARING EVERYBODY TALK AND ALL THE GOING THOROUGHLY AND EVERYTHING, I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE IT WITH.

UM, SUP FOR FIVE YEARS, UM, FIVE YEARS, DO YOU ALL CAN COME BACK? I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER VIERRA, UH, WITH A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER, AUBURN TO APPROVE ITEM EIGHT B UH, WITH THE

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AMENDED, UH, SUP TIME OF FIVE YEARS, MR. MAYOR.

AND THEN, UH, UH, SORRY.

UM, I WAS GONNA, I WAS GOING TO SAY ALSO THE AMENDMENT IN THERE CONCERNING THE MATERIALS THAT ARE PROHIBITED, THE OILS, THE MEAT.

I'LL PUT THAT IN THERE IF HE AMEND HIS MOTION FOR THAT AS WELL, OR CLARIFY THAT THAT'S HIS MOTION.

THANK YOU.

THAT'D BE, I BELIEVE THAT IS IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.

YES.

AND THE SECOND CONCUR'S.

ABSOLUTELY.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU COULD PREPARE THE BOAT FOR US, PLEASE, MOTION IS TO APPROVE CASPER BASS AND DISPLAY THE VOTE, PLEASE.

THAT ITEM IS APPROVED SEVEN TO ONE WITH DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM WILLIAMS IN OPPOSITION.

LET'S MOVE

[8.c. Consider a Site Plan request by Turn Compost, LLC to operate a compost facility. The site is located at 196 South International Road in District 6.]

QUICKLY ON TO THIS PIECE.

HAD A SECOND, UH, PART IS AC CONSIDER A SITE PLAN REQUEST BY TURN COMPOST, UH, AGAIN, SAME, SAME ENERGY, SAME APPLICANT ADDRESS, UH, TO CONSIDER A SITE PLAN CONSUMER REVERA.

I'LL LOOK TO YOU AGAIN.

GO AHEAD, SIR.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

OKAY.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN RIVERA TO APPROVE ITEM EIGHT.

C IS A SITE PLAN SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER ALBAN.

UH, MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU COULD PRINT, VOTE FOR US PLEASE, AND COUNCIL AND DISPLAY THE VOTE.

THAT ITEM IS APPROVED 71 WITH DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM WILLIAMS IN OPPOSITION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND, UH, I KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER CASES, UH, BUT WE HAVE BEEN HAMMERING HERE FOR A GOOD WHILE.

UH, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A RECESS, UH, UNTIL NINE O'CLOCK.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

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UH, GOOD EVENING.

WE ARE COMING BACK FROM ON CITY COUNCIL.

UH, WE ARE AT ITEM EIGHT D WHICH ACTUALLY HAS THREE PARTS.

UH, EIGHT D IS CONSIDERED A ZONING REQUEST BY TRIANGLE ENGINEERING, LLC FOR A RESTAURANT COFFEE SHOP WITH DRIVE-THROUGH.

THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 1943 NORTHWEST HIGHWAY IN DISTRICT FIVE.

IT ALSO CONTAINS A EIGHT E WHICH IS TO CONSIDER A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION AND EIGHT F, WHICH IS THE DETAILED PLAN ALL WITH THE SAME APPLICANT'S SAME ADDRESS, MR. GAREN IT'S AIR COUNCIL.

THANK YOU.

UH, THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO BUILD A RESTAURANT SLASH COFFEE SHOP WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH.

IT DOES INCLUDE A FIRST A PD AMENDMENT BECAUSE, UM, THE USE OF DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO THE PD AS A, UM, ALLOWABLE USE.

UH THAT'S BY SUP, WHICH IS THE SECOND PART OF THE REQUEST.

AND OF COURSE THE DETAILED PLAN, UH, THE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS 1943, UH, NORTHWEST HIGHWAY AND THE ACREAGE, THE LEASE AREA.

UH, THIS IS FOR SCOOTER'S COFFEE.

THE LEASE AREA THAT SCOOTERS WILL BE LEASING IS 0.335 ACRES OUT OF A, UM, OVERALL SHOPPING CENTER SITE AND IS ZONED IN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 94 DASH 35 FOR COMMUNITY RETAIL USES HERE'S THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SHOWN WITH THE RED STAR AND MORE SPECIFICALLY SHOWN HERE.

UH, THE PROPOSED USE WILL BE, UM, LEASING AN AREA HERE ALONG NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.

AND THE OVERALL PROPERTY IS SHOWN HERE, THE EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER WITH A COUPLE OF STANDALONE RESTAURANTS AS WELL.

AND THE, UM, SUBJECT PROPERTY IS PRIMARILY SURROUNDED BY OTHER, UH, COMMERCIAL THAN RETAIL, UH, ORIENTED USES, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS AREA, UH, FOR URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS.

UM, ALTHOUGH IT IS BUILT OUT AS A COMMERCIAL AND THIS, UM, USES A SUPPORTIVE AND CONTRIBUTES TO THE AREA AND ALSO REPRESENTS A NEW INVESTMENT INTO THIS SHOPPING CENTER.

HERE'S SOME PHOTOS OF THE AREA, INCLUDING THE, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY ON THE TOP LEFT.

I'M TRYING TO SEE THE PARKING AREA AND THE, UM, STRIP CENTER SHOPPING CENTER IN THE BACKGROUND.

HERE'S THE OVERALL SITE PLAN AND SEE THE PROPOSED A DRIVE THROUGH COFFEE SHOP HERE TOWARDS NORTHWEST HIGHWAY AND, UH, ZOOMED IN HERE.

IT, UM, MEETS ALL TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS, UM, EXCEPT FOR THE PD HAS A BIT STRICTER PARKING REQUIREMENT, WHICH, UH, EQUATES TO NINE PARKING SPACES BEING REQUIRED.

UM, HOWEVER, THE GDC, UH, WITH THE GDC RATIO FOR DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS, UM, IT EQUATES TO SEVEN PARKING

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SPACES BEING REQUIRED AND THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING SEVEN PARKING SPACES.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SHARED PARKING AS WELL.

HERE'S A LANDSCAPE PLAN.

IT COMPLIES WITH THE LANDSCAPE REGULATIONS OF THE GDC, AND SAME WITH THE BUILDING DESIGN ELEVATION SHOWN HERE.

THEY COMPLY WITH THE BUILDING DESIGN REGULATIONS OF THE GDC, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS, THE SUP FOR A TIME PERIOD OF 25 YEARS, WHICH ALIGNS WITH THE SUP TIME PERIOD GUIDE.

AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST AND PLAN COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS WELL WITH A SEVEN TO ZERO VOTE.

THAT WAS ALL THREE ITEMS. AND, UM, MAYOR, WE MAILED OUT 32 NOTIFICATION LETTERS ON THIS CASE AND WE RECEIVED, UM, ONE IN FAVOR.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS SUBMITTED ONLINE.

UH, ONE IN FAVOR THAT WAS OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION AREA.

VERY GOOD.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THE SIDE? I SEE NONE.

THANK YOU, MR. GARREN, MADAM SECRETARY, DO WE HAVE SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM? YES.

THE APPLICANT, MEGAN PAULSON, YOU CAN COME DOWN.

UH, YOU CAN, UH, IF YOU CAN GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, YOU CAN HAVE 10 MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION, OR YOU CAN JUST ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THERE MIGHT BE GOOD EVENING.

THEY INVOICE THEM 2201 WOLF STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TONIGHT.

I HAVE A LOT OF SITES IN DALLAS.

THEY'RE IN GARLAND ALREADY.

UM, THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER LOCATION FOR US.

BERLIN'S BEEN GOOD TO US.

SO WE'D LIKE TO COME BACK AGAIN.

UM, JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS.

VERY GOOD.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ALBAN, EXCUSE ME.

UH, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

BE GLAD TO HAVE YOU IN DISTRICT FIVE, FEED MY COFFEE ADDICTION.

I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE NO COMPLAINT ABOUT THE SMELL OF COFFEE.

UM, NO ODORS.

YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE COUGH.

YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE COFFEE ODORS YOU WANT.

UM, AND WITH THAT, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION MAYOR AND LET'S, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE NO ONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE, SIR, COMBINE THEM ALL AND APPROVE ALL THREE.

I MOVE APPROVAL OF ALL THREE.

I HAVE A MOTION, UH, BY COUNCILOR ROBYN TO APPROVE ITEMS EIGHT D H E N E EIGHT F AS PRESENTED, UH, WITH A SECOND, UH, BY COUNCILOR REVERA.

UH, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTION OR ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? SORRY, COULD YOU USE A CUP OF COFFEE? UH, MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU COULD PREPARE TO VOTE FOR US PLEASE AND COUNSEL, IF YOU PLEASE VOTE AND DISPLAY THE VOTE AND THAT ITEM, THOSE ITEMS ARE APPROVED, UH, UNANIMOUSLY UNANIMOUSLY, THANK YOU.

THAT MOVES US ON TO OUR NEXT, UH, CASE,

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WHICH ALSO HAS THREE PARTS.

THE FIRST IS A G CONSIDER A ZONING REQUEST BY GARLAND STORAGE LP FOR A SELF STORAGE FACILITY WITH RETAIL AND OFFICE USES.

THIS SITE IS LOCATED AT 1601 EAST PARISH ROAD AND 63, 20 AND 63 30 NORTH PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH TURNPIKE AND DISTRICT ONE.

IT ALSO HAS PART EIGHT H WHICH IS A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION REQUEST AS WELL AS, UH, EIGHT I, WHICH IS A DETAIL REQUEST.

BOTH OF THOSE, ALL THREE OF THESE ITEMS, SAME APPLICANT, SAME ADDRESS MR. GARRETT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THANK YOU.

THIS IS A PROPOSAL FOR A SELF STORAGE FACILITY WITH RETAIL AND OFFICE USES AS WELL.

THE LOCATION IS, UM, UH, FRANCE HAS FRONTAGE AND ACCESS ON BOTH FERRIS ROAD AND NORTH PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH TURNPIKE.

AND THE ACREAGE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS A APPROXIMATELY THREE AND A HALF ACRES, AND IT IS ZONED IN PLAN DEVELOPMENT, 20 DASH 17.

HERE'S THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY IN NORTH GARLAND.

AND MORE SPECIFICALLY SHOWN HERE OUTLINED IN TEAL.

UH, THERE IS, UM, VACANT LAND, UH, TO THE WEST AND EAST, ALTHOUGH, UM, TO THE WEST IS THE FUTURE SIDE OF THE GARLAND FIRE STATION, WHICH I BELIEVE WILL ACTUALLY BE ON YOUR NEXT AGENDA.

UM, FURTHER TO THE EAST IS STRIKING REAL.

IT APPEARS TO BE A LITTLE BIT, UH, OLD AERIAL, BUT, UM, AND THEN SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, SCHOOL AND, UM, PEDIATRIC OFFICE TO THE WEST.

THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS AREA AS BUSINESS BUSINESS CENTERS.

AND HERE'S SOME PHOTOS OF THE, OF THE AREA.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS, UM, SHOWN ON THE LEFT.

THERE IS A PEDIATRIC URGENT CARE SHOWN ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, THAT'S TO THE WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, LEFT PHOTOS, LOOKING ACROSS GEORGE BUSH TO SOME MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND TO THE EAST AS A STRIKING REAL SHOWN ON THE RIGHT

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HERE'S A SITE PLAN.

UM, THE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS, UM, AS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT.

AND AGAIN, THERE'S ACCESS, UM, ON BOTH GEORGE BUSH AND FERRIS, UH, BUT THERE ARE TWO BUILDINGS.

THE LARGER BUILDING CONTAINS THE, UM, SELF STORAGE FACILITY.

IT WILL BE THREE STORIES IN HEIGHT AND INCLUDES THE RETAIL COMPONENT ON THE GROUND FLOOR.

UH, THAT IS IN LINE WITH THE PD, WHICH HAS A, UM, COMMERCIAL GROUND FLOOR REQUIREMENT.

THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH THAT.

UM, AND THEN THE, UH, THERE'S A STANDALONE OFFICE BUILDING A ONE STORY OFFICE BUILDING, UM, OVER TOWARDS FERRIS ROAD SHOWN HERE IN BLUE.

AND IT INCLUDES A, UH, THE STORAGE BILL INCLUDES A LIVING QUARTERS FOR MANAGEMENT.

UM, THE GDC DOES, UH, OPTION, UM, TO HAVE ONSITE LIVING QUARTERS FOR MANAGEMENT, FOR SELF STORAGE FACILITIES.

UH, HERE'S THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.

IT COMPLIES WITH THE GDC, A THERE'S ONE DEVIATION FOR SCREENING.

WE'LL GET TO HERE IN A MINUTE, BUT OTHERWISE IT PROVIDES OR COMPLIES WITH THE GDC LANDSCAPE REGULATIONS.

UM, AS DOES THE, UM, ABILITY TO DESIGN HERE ARE THE KIND OF RUN THROUGH THE ELEVATIONS HERE.

HERE'S THE MAIN STORAGE AND RETAIL BUILDING AND THE OFFICE BUILDING SHOWN HERE, AND THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL 3D RENDERING.

THE APPLICANT PROVIDED TO US, UM, IT, THIS PROPOSAL COMPLIES WITH ALL, UH, TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS.

UM, THE ONLY DEVIATION THE APPLICANT IS, UM, ASKING FOR IS THE PERIMETER SCREENING REQUIREMENT FOR SELF STORAGE.

UM, THERE ARE SOME PROVISIONS FOR, UM, FOR THIS FENCING.

IN SOME CASES THE, UH, SELF STORAGE CAN, UM, PROVIDE SCREENING JUST SIMPLY BY ITS OWN WALLS, A SOLID WALL.

HOWEVER, THIS WOULD HAVE WINDOWS AND CANOPIES AND THE LIKE, UM, THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING A FENCING, UM, UH, AS ALL THE STORAGE'S INTERNAL AND SECURED, UM, AND ALSO THE, UM, THERE'S THE RETAIL AND OFFICE COMPONENT AS WELL.

THE APPLICANT PREFERS TO KEEP IT AS AN OPEN KIND OF COHESIVE SITE.

THE APPLICANT REQUESTS, THE SUP, UH, FOR A PERIOD OF 40 YEARS, WHICH ALIGNS WITH THE, UH, SUP TIME PERIOD GUIDE FOR THIS USE.

UH, THE PD, UM, ALLOWS RETAIL AND OFFICE BUY, RIGHT, BUT, UH, REQUIRES AN SUP FOR SELF STORAGE.

AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST AND THE PLAN COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS WELL.

UH, ON APRIL 25TH, THAT WAS WITH THE SEVEN TO ZERO AND MAYOR.

WE MAILED OUT 12 NOTIFICATION LETTERS ON THIS CASE, WE RECEIVED ONE IN FAVOR AND A THREE OPPOSABLE.

THOSE WERE ALL, UM, UH, FOUND ONLINE AS WELL.

UM, BUT THOSE WERE OUTSIDE OF THE NOTIFICATION AREA.

VERY GOOD.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THE SIDE OF, I SEE THAT.

THANK YOU.

WELL, MADAM SECRETARY, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

IF YOU, I HAVE A SPEAKER CARD FOR DALLAS COTHREN LET'S SEE, I THINK IT'S THIS ONE.

GO TAKE YOUR WELL, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, DALLAS, CATHERINE, UH, 2201 MAIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS.

IT'S NICE TO BE BACK MAXWELL.

DOESN'T LET ME COME HERE ANYMORE.

SINCE WE'VE OPENED A SUBURBAN OFFICE, HANG ON ONE SECOND.

LET ME GET THE TIMER RESET.

I'LL TAKE LESS.

I PROMISE THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED IN THE HISTORY OF YOU EVER SPEAKING HERE.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT TRUE FIRST.

THERE'S ALWAYS A FIRST.

THAT IS NOT TRUE DALLAS.

I AM NOT FALLING FOR THAT.

FAIR ENOUGH.

ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD.

REALLY.

IT REALLY IS AND SAY, YOU KNOW, SO, SO AT ANY RATE, UH, YOU KNOW, EVERY MONTH THAT I DID IT TODAY, MATT LITTLE MASTERPLAN IS A FEDERAL RESERVE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK REPORTING ENTITY BECAUSE WE'RE A LEADING INDICATOR BUSINESS.

AND SO WE PROVIDE DATA ABOUT WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.

UH, AND THEN LATER WE GET BACK GREAT DATA ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE MARKET.

AND SO HERE'S A LITTLE SLIDE THAT SORT OF SHOWS THAT THIS IS THE 11 TOP SINCE WORLD WAR II.

THERE'VE BEEN 11 TIMES WHERE WE HAD A DIP FOR A QUARTER AND THINGS POPPED BACK AND GOT BETTER.

THEY'VE ALSO BEEN 11 TIMES WHERE IT DID NOT, AND WE WENT INTO SOME KIND OF DOWNSIDE.

SO HE, OH, UM, THE POINT IS, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE WE IN THE CYCLE? I THOUGHT THIS WAS PARTICULARLY INTERESTING.

THIS IS ONE OF THE SECTORS THAT IS STILL ON THE UPSWING STORAGE INDUSTRIAL.

UH, AND I DON'T THINK THIS USE IS CLASSIFIED RIGHT ANYMORE.

I THINK THIS IS A RETAIL LAND USE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE BY APPEARANCE.

YOU KNOW, THE, AND I THINK WE'VE DONE A NUMBER OF CASES HERE WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO SEE GARLAND, LIKE OTHER PLACES IS OPTING FOR INSIDE HIGHLY SECURE, SAFE STORAGE IN RETAIL LOCATIONS.

THE AVERAGE STORAGE USER IS MORE LIKELY TO BE FEMALE AND THEY SHOP FOR STORAGE THE SAME WAY THEY

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DO OTHER GOODS AND SERVICES, WHICH IS TYPICALLY IN A TWO MILE RADIUS OF EITHER WORK OR HOME.

AND SO I'LL SHOW YOU SOME STATS LATER, UH, ABOUT THIS.

SO WHY STORAGE, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS, YOU KNOW, ONE, YOU KNOW, UH, I'LL USE OUR BUSINESS AS A, AS AN EXAMPLE, IN AN EFFORT TO CUT COSTS.

WHEN WE MOVED TO A NEW BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN, WE OFTEN, YOU KNOW, WE OFF DID SOME STORAGE OF MATERIALS, ALSO DOWNTOWN IN A STORAGE, INDOOR, SECURE PLACE LIKE THIS.

WE ALSO FIND A LOT OF RETAILERS DO THE SAME THING AS RETAIL SPACES HAVE GOTTEN NOT AS DEEP AND THEY DON'T HAVE A BACK OF HOUSE.

THEY OFTEN HAVE THEIR BACK OF HOUSE OFF SITE.

AND THEN THE OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, W THE, PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ONE, AND I WENT TO THE NATIONAL CONFERENCE IN VEGAS IS THIS POPULARITY OF OPEN FLOOR PLANS.

FURNITURE IS THE MOST COMMON THINGS STORED IN STORAGE WITH APPLIANCES BEING SECOND, YOU KNOW, AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE DELAYING, PERHAPS BUYING A HOUSE.

MAYBE WE'LL SEE MORE OF THAT WITH INTEREST RATES RISING.

AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS TOO, THAT WE CAN DRILL DOWN ON IT AS WE NEED TO.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I FIND THAT PEOPLE LIKED THAT IT CLEARS OUT GARAGES.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THIS ACROSS LOTS OF OTHER SEGMENTS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE RAISED THEIR GAME AND BEEN DISRUPTORS WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE OLDER MOTELS THAT ARE NOW INSIDE AN INTERNALIZED GARDEN, APARTMENTS HAVE BECOME HIGHLY AMENITIZED LUXURY RESIDENCES, WHERE PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING TO RENT.

IT'S THE SAME THING.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE NOT, UM, UM, WHAT WE ARE, AND THIS IS A HIGHLY ARTICULATED BUILDING.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS TOTALLY SECURE ONSITE MANAGEMENT CAMERAS EVERYWHERE.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU CHECK IN, THEY KNOW WHERE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GOING IN THE BUILDING.

AND SO IT IS VERY, VERY SECURE.

UM, AGAIN, THE TWO LARGE, TWO COMPETITORS THAT NEAREST TO US, NEITHER ONE OF THEM ARE INSIDE STORAGE.

THEY, THEY ARE STORAGE, BUT WE DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE COMPETITOR BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT AIR CONDITIONED.

THEY'RE NOT AS SECURE.

UM, THEY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, UH, THE DIFFERENCE MAYBE BETWEEN FAST FOOD AND SIT DOWN DINING, THEY'RE SORT OF IN THE SAME BROAD CATEGORY, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE SAME THING.

UM, AND HERE'S THE CHART.

UH, BUT THIS IS PROBABLY THE MORE IMPORTANT ONE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE DFW AVERAGE ON A SQUARE FOOT PER CAPITA BASIS, YOU'RE GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN EIGHT AND NINE AND A HALF.

EVEN AFTER THIS IS BUILT, YOU'RE STILL BELOW SEVEN, A VERY LOW NUMBER.

AND ALL THE OCCUPANCY IN THE AREA IS AT 95%.

AND WE'VE SEEN IN GARLAND, YOU'RE UP ABOUT 19% OVER FOR AIR CONDITIONED STORAGE OVER THE LAST YEAR OR TWO, SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SUPPLY TO MEET THE DEMAND.

UM, UH, PEOPLE HAVE, SO WILL, IS ALWAYS DID A GOOD JOB WHEN SOME OF THESE, UH, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT WE ARE FULLY COMPLIANT WITH THE VISION AND, AND REQUIREMENTS OF THE PD.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE REAL RETAIL.

UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING ON FERRIS.

UH, AND THIS LOOKS LIKE AN OFFICE BUILDING.

I BELIEVE PEOPLE WILL GO BY IT AND THINK THAT IT'S AN OFFICE BUILDING.

I THINK THERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY ON THE RETAIL FLOOR, THERE'S MEDICAL OFFICE IN THE AREA FOR DENTAL OR OTHER TYPES OF, OF USERS TO BE THERE.

AND IN THE REAR, UM, THIS IS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, A GREAT, THIS IS WHAT STORAGE SHOULD BE DOING ALL OVER, IS DOING INTERESTING BUILDINGS THAT BLEND IN WITH THEIR, THEIR SURROUNDINGS.

SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, LOOK AT THAT.

I MEAN, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A WELL-RUN FAMILY OPERATED BUSINESS.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE PLACE.

STAFF WORKED WITH US ON THIS, THE MINOR VARIANTS FOR THE FENCE.

IT WOULD LOOK CLUNKY TO HAVE IT, IT'S ALL INSIDE.

WE WANT THIS TO READ, UH, OFFICE AND HIGH-END, UH, AND RETAIL, UH, PEOPLE WILL KNOW IT'S STORAGE AND MOST PEOPLE NOW SHOP ON THEIR PHONE OR THE TABLET OR WHEREVER IT IS THEY SEARCH FOR STORAGE.

THEY KNOW WHERE IT IS, AND THEY WANT TO GO TO A HIGH END LOCATION.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DELIVERING HERE.

SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

IT'S A RECORD.

I WAS, I WAS GOING TO MENTION THAT CAUSE WE WERE BASS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, THINK OF DALLAS.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET, BUT, UM, OF COURSE I'VE MET MAXWELL, SO YEAH.

AND, UH, SO VERY NICE TO MEET YOU.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, I REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM THE FIRST TIME I SAW THIS, I WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE LOOK OF IT WITH, UH, WITH THE VISUAL BEING, YOU KNOW, HAVING MORE OF A RETAIL LAND USE.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THAT, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE CONTACTED ME ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, HAVE A SWITCH TO THEIR FEARS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, JUST A BUNCH OF BIG ORANGE DOORS GOING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD.

SO, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, JUST, JUST HAVING THAT, THAT VISUAL OF A RETAIL FRONT ON, ON, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT THE OPPORTUNITY HERE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ON BOTH SIDES, FERRIS AND GEORGE BUSH THERE.

SO, UM, PROJECT.

YEAH, EXACTLY, EXACTLY.

SO I THINK IT'S GREAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU IN DISTRICT ONE AND, UM, DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

I JUST WANTED TO, I WANT TO LET YOU GO.

I APPRECIATE YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UH, COUNSELOR

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MOORE AND, UH, JUST, JUST HEARING FROM MY COLLEAGUE, UH, THAT GOES A LONG WAY IN THE WAY OF HIS APPROVAL FOR WHAT TO TAKE WHAT'S TAKING PLACE.

UH, I DID HIRE READ WHERE SOME OF YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE CONCERNED THAT A, A FOUR STORY, THREE, FOUR STORY BUILDING IS GOING UP IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I DID NOT SEE IN THE RENDERINGS THOUGH.

UH, ANY HOMES AROUND THE AREA? DO YOU HOUSE? I MEAN, IT, WE, WELL, UH, I THINK YOU MIGHT BE TALKING ABOUT THE NEXT CASE.

OH, IT, OH, I'M CLARA.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

I'LL SAVE THAT.

YEAH, THAT'LL BE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

OKAY.

OKAY.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? MADAM SECRETARY.

WE'RE GOOD.

THANK YOU.

UH, MADAM SECRETARY, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THE SIDE OF THE ONLY SPEAKER I HAVE ON THIS SIDE? IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS SIDE OF, UH, COUNCIL? WE HAVE CLEARED THE QUEUE CUSTOMER BASS IS SENIOR DISTRICT.

GO AHEAD, SIR.

THANK YOU.

A MOTION TO APPROVE.

AND THAT WOULD THE SUP AND THE DETAILED PLAN.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE A, I'M LOOKING, I'M LOOKING.

WE NEED, UH, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE HANGING ON, WE HAVE A ZONING ZONING.

THERE WE GO.

YEAH.

I THOUGHT THAT I WOULD START WITH THREE PARTS.

G H WAS IN THE WRONG WAY, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ZONING REQUEST, A SEP AND DETAILED PLAN.

OKAY.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER BASS AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR REVERA TO APPROVE, UH, ITEMS, A G H AND I AS PRESENTED, UH, SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION, UH, MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU COMPARE THE VOTE FOR US, PLEASE IN COUNCIL AND DISPLAY THE VOTE AND THAT ITEM, THOSE ITEMS ARE APPROVED, UH, UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU.

UH, THAT MOVES US TO OUR NEXT CASE,

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UH, WHICH IS EIGHT J CONSIDER A ZONING REQUEST BY CAN WE HORN FOR A SELF STORAGE FACILITY? THIS, THIS SITE IS LOCATED AT TWENTY TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY TWO OH TWO NORTH JUPITER ROAD IN DISTRICT SEVEN.

IT ALSO HAS, UH, THREE PARTS.

THE SECOND PART IS A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION.

AND THEN, UH, THAT IS A K EIGHT I M OR L EXCUSE ME, IS A DETAILED PLAN.

UH, ALL SAME ADDRESS, APPLICANT, MARIN COUNCIL.

THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO BUILD A SELF STORAGE FACILITY.

THE LOCATION IS TWENTY TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY TWO OH ONE NORTH JUPITER ROAD.

APPLICANT IS KIMBERLY HORN AND THE ACREAGE OF THE SITE IS JUST OVER TWO AND A HALF ACRES.

UM, THE SITE IS ZONED ACTUALLY.

UM, IT'S, UH, A BIT OF A SPLIT ZONING BETWEEN TWO, UH, PD DISTRICT ZERO TWO DASH 11 AND ZERO FIVE DASH 57.

THOSE WERE PREVIOUS APPROVALS.

UM, ONE WAS FOR A FUEL PUMP, A RETAIL FUEL PUMP USE, AND THE OTHER WAS FOR A MULTI-TENANT RETAIL BUILDING, BUT THEY, UM, DID NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION.

SO, UM, HERE'S A GENERAL LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND HERE IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HERE, KIND OF AN IRREGULAR SHAPED LOT.

UH, IT HAS FRONTAGE OFF JUPITER ROAD, UM, SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST AS A GP AND L SUBSTATION TO THE NORTH AS A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, THERE ARE TWO COMMERCIAL USES ON EITHER SIDE OF WHERE THE OFFICE BUILDING AND DRIVEWAY, UH, WILL BE, UM, BELIEVE IT'S A BANK AND A GOLDEN CHICK HOME DEPOT IS THAT THE SOUTH, AS WELL AS, UH, UM, UH, PROPOSED OR SOON TO BE STARBUCKS THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL LAST YEAR.

AND THEN TO THE WEST IS WITHIN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON.

THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS AREA AS A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS.

AND HERE'S SOME PHOTOS OF THE AREA, INCLUDING THE VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM, UH, SHOULD SAY FROM, UH, NORTH NORTH JUPITER ROAD AND THE GOLDEN CHICK, AND SOME OTHER USES IN THE AREA.

HERE'S THE SITE PLAN.

THERE ARE TWO BUILDINGS, THERE'S A ONE STORY BUILDING, UH, SHOWN HERE, WHICH INCLUDES THE OFFICE AS WELL AS SOME, UH, STORAGE UNITS, UM, KIND OF TOWARDS THE EAST AND WITHIN THE BUILDING.

AND THEN THE, UH, THREE-STORY BUILDING, UH, FOR STORAGE IS LOCATED TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, UH, CLOSER TO THE, UH, SUBSTATION AREA.

AND, UM, AS FAR AS LANDSCAPING, IT COMPLIES WITH THE LANDSCAPE REGULATIONS OF THE CITY IN TERMS OF SCREENING, THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING AN EIGHT FOOT TALL BRICK WALL ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE, UM, THAT ABUTS THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH.

AND THERE IS A,

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I BELIEVE IT'S EXISTING, UM, MASONRY WALL, A FOOT MASONRY WALL BETWEEN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE SUBSTATION, AND THEN SHOWN IN THE BROWN, UH, LINE THERE, UM, IS A METAL ORNAMENTAL FENCING THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD BE PROVIDING.

THEY'RE REQUESTING A DEVIATION NOT TO EXTEND THE FENCING, UH, TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AS IT'S INTENDED TO BE OPEN TO NEW CLIENTS, UH, WITH THE OFFICE AND, UH, SOME OF THESE STORAGE UNITS.

SO THEY'D START THE FENCING, UH, CLOSER BACK HERE, UH, PLUS IT WILL BE ADJACENT TO THE BANK AND, UM, GOLDEN CHICK USE HERE ARE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS GO THROUGH THESE, UH, THEY COMPLY WITH THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS OF THE GDC.

THERE'S A KIND OF 3D RENDERING OF THE FRONT BUILDING SHOWING THERE, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS, THE SUP, UH, UH, FOR THIS USE TO BE VALID FOR A TIME PERIOD OF 40 YEARS, UH, WHICH ALIGNS WITH THE SEP TIME PERIOD GUIDE FOR THIS USE.

AND THE, UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SIMILAR DEVIATION AS THE LAST CASE REGARDING A PERIMETER FENCING.

I JUST MENTIONED, UM, THE DRIVE IN THE FRONT OF THE PARKING TO THE NORTH OF BUILDING ONE IS A SHARED DRIVE, A SHARED ACCESS DRIVE TO BE OPEN-ACCESS, UH, AND BUILDING ONE, WHICH IS THAT ONE STORY BUILDING CONTAINS THE OFFICE, WHICH REQUIRES, UM, UNGATED ACCESS FOR NEW CLIENTS, UH, PER THE APPLICANT.

UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST AND THE PLAN COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS WELL.

AND MARY I'LL GO BACK TO THE CYCLE.

I FORGOT TO MENTION ONE QUICK THING.

THE, UH, SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM RESIDENTIAL, UM, IS ACTUALLY 20 FEET.

HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, EXTENDED THE SETBACK TO 45 FEET.

UM, AND OF COURSE I MENTIONED THE SCREENING AS WELL.

UH, WITH THAT MAYOR, WE MAILED OUT A 108 NOTIFICATION LETTERS.

UH, WE RECEIVED TWO IN FAVOR WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA AND 14 OPPOSED WITHIN THE NOTE NOTIFICATION AREA AND TWO OPPOSED OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION AREA.

OKAY.

HANG ON ONE SECOND.

UH, COUNCILOR SMITH.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

WILL, DO WE HAVE ANY ACCESS ISSUES TO THAT SUBSTATION? UH, FOR OUR EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND SUCH? YEAH.

UM, I'M NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH THE SUBSTATION TO KNOW WHERE THE, UH, WHERE WE ACCESS, SORRY.

ACCESS ON THE OTHER SIDE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THE SIDE OF THEM? YOU DON'T THINK YOU WILL.

MADAM SECRETARY, I HAVE A SPEAKER CARD FOR DALLAS.

COTHREN I'VE GOT A HANDOUT TO WE IN ADDITION TO THIS, IF THAT'S OKAY.

OKAY.

MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, DALLAS, CATHERINE, 2201 REPRESENTING HEINZ, UM, UH, COUNCILMAN ROBIN BROUGHT UP A KIND OF AN INTERESTING THING ON THE COMPOSTING THING.

AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE SAME THING.

I THINK IT, IT WORKED HERE.

WE COULD HAVE AN OFFICE BUILDING ON THIS SITE THAT HAS WINDOWS THAT'S 35 FEET TALL.

THAT'S 25, 20 FEET AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORS.

AND YOU COULD JUST GO GET A BUILDING PERMIT AND DO THAT.

WE HAVE TO GET AN ISSUE POPPY, AND WE'VE CHOSEN TO BE 45 FEET AWAY AND HAVE NO WINDOWS ON THAT SIDE AND PLANT TREES AND DO THE EIGHT FOOT MACE FROM THE WALL.

SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE DID THIS THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE OUR ADJACENCIES? I THINK SOME OF, YOU KNOW, ENCORE HAS TRADITIONALLY BEEN OUR LARGEST CLIENT.

WE'VE DONE A LOT OF SUBSTATION WORK IN THIS CITY WHERE IT'S NOT G P AND L I THINK IT'S GREAT WHERE WE'RE GOING, THAT WE'RE BLOCKING THAT VIEW OF THE SUBSTATION.

I LOVE SUBSTATIONS, BUT NOT GOING TO FIND A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DO THIS.

THERE'S A REASON THE SITE HADN'T BEEN DEVELOPED.

WE THINK WE'RE COMING IN AND PROVIDING A RETAIL PRESENCE ON THE FRONT AND A HIGHLY ARTICULATED BUILDING.

THAT'S A LOW TRAFFIC GENERATOR.

SO SOME OF THESE ARE IN RESPONSE.

WE'VE GOT SOME OF THESE, UH, AGAINST LIGHT.

SOME OF THESE ARE THINGS THAT I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH, UH, IN A BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ANSWERS OR QUESTIONS.

SO WE'LL SHOW YOU THESE.

I THINK HE DID A GOOD JOB EXPLAINING WHAT THE USES ARE.

SO I WON'T SPEND A LOT OF MY TIME ON THIS BECAUSE I WANT TO DEAL WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORS COMPLAINT.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT LAST BULLET WHERE 1.25 TY TIMES, OUR SETBACK IS 1.2, FIVE TIMES THE BUILDING HEIGHT THAT'S GARLAND'S REQUIREMENT.

IF WE WERE MULTIFAMILY HERE, THIS IS A SETBACK WE'D HAVE TO HAVE.

SO WE TRIED TO PICK SOMETHING IN YOUR CODE FOR A DIFFERENT LAND USE WHERE YOU'D HAVE THIS COMPATIBILITY.

UM, I BELIEVE CAUSE MAXWELL TOLD ME WHEN HE AND NEIL RE DID THAT MANY YEARS AGO, THEY DID THAT BECAUSE YOU HAD PEOPLE MAYBE IN AN APARTMENT THAT HAD A THIRD FLOOR BALCONY AND SINGLE FAMILY OR DUPLEX OR TOWNHOME, YOU WANTED TO HAVE MORE SETBACK REQUIRED.

AND THAT MADE A LOT OF SENSE.

OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE NOBODY IN THERE.

WE HAVE NO BALCONIES AND WE HAVE NO WINDOWS, BUT WE STILL WANTED TO HONOR

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THAT SETBACK AND GIVE PEOPLE AS MUCH SETBACK AS WE COULD.

UM, OKAY.

SO, UM, AGAIN HERE, MASONRY WALL, ROVE TREES, DOUBLE THE SETBACKS IT'S REQUIRED ON THAT.

ON, ON THAT, UH, NORTHERN SIDE, HERE ARE THE ELEVATION SHOWING THE WINDOWS AGAIN, THE RETAIL LOOK IN THE FRONT.

THAT IS I THINK A REALLY COOL LOOKING, UH, AN INTERESTING AGAIN, UH, MARKET RESEARCH SAYS, YOU KNOW, 94%, UH, OCCUPANCY IN THIS, IN THIS MICRO AREA.

UM, AGAIN, OUR COMPETITORS ARE ALL SMALL FORTRESS OR NON AIR CONDITIONED IN THIS AREA.

SO WE'LL HAVE A MARKET ADVANTAGE.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO BE IN HERE.

UH, AND AGAIN, S W AFTER THIS IS BUILT, WE'LL STILL COME IN, YOU KNOW, RIGHT IN WHAT THE DFW AVERAGE IS IN THIS AREA.

UM, AND IF WE DID IT ON AIR CONDITIONED SPACE, YOU'RE STILL LOW IN MOST PARTS OF THE CITY.

UM, WE DID A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN, AND I THINK WE PROVIDED THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE ZERO FOOT CANDLE SPILLOVER INTO THE BACKYARDS OF OUR, OUR NEIGHBORS.

UH, AGAIN, WE PROVIDED THESE, UH, TWO AS WELL OF WHAT SOMEBODY WOULD BE SEEING FROM, FROM THEIR BACKYARD.

UH, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD NOT BE SEEING THE BUILDING, UH, THE TREES AND THE WALL HELPED TO SCREEN THAT.

UM, WE DID TRY A NUMBER OF TIMES.

I THINK FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO'VE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL A LONG TIME, WE SEND NOTICES MASTER PLAN DOES, BEFORE WE FILE A CASE TO EVERYBODY IN THE NOTICE AREA, WE TYPICALLY PUT UP A SIGN NOW THAT HAS A QR CODE, SO THEY CAN CONTACT US AND FIND OUT INFORMATION.

UM, UH, MEMBER HENDRICK SAW SOME CORRESPONDENCE THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP WAS NOT INTERESTED IN MEETING AHEAD OF TIME.

THEY JUST DIDN'T TAKE A POSITION ON IT.

THERE HAS BEEN OPPOSITION LATER, WE FIND WHEN WE CAN MEET WITH PEOPLE AHEAD OF TIME AND EXPLAIN THAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO THIS THOUGHTFULLY, THAT IT HELPS.

IT'S JUST, YOU CAN'T MEET PEOPLE, MAKE PEOPLE COME TO MEETINGS.

UM, CAUSE I WOULD HAVE, WE WOULD HAVE LOVED THAT OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN TO THEM, HEY, WE, WE THOUGHT THROUGH THIS, WE TRIED TO PUT OURSELVES IN YOUR SHOES AND YOU KNOW, AN OFFICE BUILDING COULD BE THERE WITH LIGHTS AND WINDOWS AND WE'RE NOT THAT.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, UH, HERE'S SOME APPRAISAL NUMBERS.

WE HAVE AN EXTRA HANDOUT.

ONE OF THOSE, YEAH.

I'LL WALK PEOPLE THROUGH THE SELF.

THESE ARE THE ANSWERS.

SOME OF THE QUESTIONS PEOPLE HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DECIDE I COULD HAVE OFFICE ON, OR I COULD HAVE RETAIL ON, OR I COULD HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH, I MEAN, ANY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, USE WHAT'S THERE ALREADY, THOSE ALL GENERATE TREMENDOUS AMOUNTS, MORE TRAFFIC THAN WHAT WE DO.

I UNDERSTAND NEIGHBORS WILL SAY, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE TRAFFIC.

IT IS MORE TRAFFIC THAN WHAT'S THERE TODAY.

IT'S NOT MORE THAN WHAT'S ALLOWED BY.

RIGHT? SO THERE'S THE TWO LOWEST TRAFFIC GENERATING USES.

I CAN THINK OF IT, AN A ARE ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION AND STORAGE, UH, INSIDE STORAGE IN PARTICULAR.

SO IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT TRAFFIC, THIS SITE'S GOING TO HAVE ABOUT THE LEAST, INTERESTINGLY TOO.

THOSE ARE BOTH GREAT TAX GENERATORS, UM, IN, IN CITIES.

UH, SO, UM, HERE ARE A COUPLE OF SLIDES.

WE DID A STUDY A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO ABOUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, CAUSE WE HEAR THIS A LOT ABOUT, OH, THIS IS GOING TO BE BAD FOR MY PROPERTY VALUE.

I JUST GLANCED AT IT TODAY.

CAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO REALLY DRILL DOWN ON IT.

IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE HOMES ARE ALREADY RECEIVING SOME DISCOUNT BECAUSE THEY ARE ADJACENT TO ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION.

JUST LIKE IF YOU LIVE ON A VERY BUSY STREET AND THAT'S YOUR FRONT YARD, YOU OFTEN WILL GET A DISCOUNT IF YOU'RE ON WESTMORELAND OR HAMPTON OR YOU KNOW, WHAT A BUCKINGHAM, WHATEVER IT IS.

UM, SO W W YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THESE, THE, THE, THE HOUSES IN CARROLLTON HERE THAT ARE ON THE LAKE, UH, YOU WOULD THINK THAT'S THE, UH, THE WATER FEATURE WOULD APPRECIATE MORE.

IT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE CASE, AND WE'VE DONE DOZENS AND DOZENS OF THESE ALL OVER THE STATE.

UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN INTERN THAT'S WORKING ON REVISING THESE NUMBERS.

THAT REALLY WE'RE A BETTER USER TO BE NEXT TO THAN RETAIL OR OFFICE.

AND THAT'S THE POINT WE'RE MAKING.

WE WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE SHARED THAT BECAUSE OFTEN NEIGHBORS DON'T KNOW WHAT COULD BE THERE.

THEY JUST KNOW THEY'RE USED TO IT NOT BEING THERE.

UH, SO WE TALKED MORE ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN THE LAST ONE, UM, WE DID A STUDY, WHICH YOU'VE KUNKLE AFTER DAVID LEFT, THE DALLAS POLICE FORCE.

WE DID A STUDY WITH HIM ABOUT, BECAUSE WE WERE STARTING TO GET THIS COMMENT A LOT ABOUT SELF STORAGE HAS A LOT OF CRIME.

AND SO DAVID AND OUR STAFF WORKED ON THIS, AND WE DID USE THE CITY DALLAS, WHICH HE WAS MOST FAMILIAR WITH, BUT WE TOOK A SAMPLING OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT KINDS OF USES.

AND THE CONCLUSION WAS THAT PLACES THAT HAVE MORE ACTIVITY AND MORE HUMANS HAVE MORE CALLS FOR POLICE SERVICE THAN PLACES THAT HAVE FEWER JUST LIKE TRAFFIC.

THE INTERESTING THING I RECALLED WAS THE TWO MOST COMMON REASONS THAT PUBLIC, THAT SIR, THAT STORAGE USERS HAVE CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE NUMBER ONE, THEY CALL THEMSELVES THE POLICE

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AND SAY, FOUND PROPERTY.

SOMEBODY HAS MOVED OUT AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WAS NO LONGER PAYING RENT.

WE'VE GONE IN THERE, THEIR SERIAL NUMBERS, WE'D LIKE YOU TO RUN AND SEE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN ANY OF THESE ITEMS OR TO GRAFFITI ON THE OUTSIDE.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THOSE WERE QUESTIONS WE WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO PEOPLE IN THE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PUBLIC FORUM AND ANSWER THOSE AHEAD OF TIME.

UM, BUT WE JUST COULD NOT GET PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, WANT TO COME TO A MEETING.

I'D SUBMIT, THIS IS THE MOST REASONABLE USE.

THAT'S THE LEAST IMPACTFUL, BUT STILL AS A $10 MILLION PROJECT AND HEINZ IS AN A PLUS COMPANY, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S THE HOME BUILDERS OR THE MULTIFAMILY OR THEIR OFFICE GROUP OR THEIR STORAGE GROUP, THIS IS A BEST IN CLASS USER IN CITIES.

UH, AT LEAST I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO BE IS WHETHER IT'S THE COFFEE SHOP OR THE BANK YOU WANT BEST IN CLASS USERS, THEY'RE GOING TO DO A REALLY GOOD JOB ON THIS.

THE BUILDING IS REALLY NICE LOOKING, AND THIS IS A HARD SITE TO DEVELOP AND WE'RE USING ALL OF IT.

SO WE'RE COMPLETING THIS SHOPPING CENTER, IF YOU WILL, AND MAKING KIND OF THAT MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT AGAIN, AND THIS IS WHAT STORAGE IS GOOD AT STORAGE CAN COME IN AND TAKE THOSE SITES THAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK ARE NOT GREAT SITES FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER.

AND IT'S FINE BECAUSE WE'RE A DESTINATION USE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO GO HERE ARE GOING TO BE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND USING IT.

SO I WILL FINISH A LITTLE EARLY AGAIN AND CALL IT TWO IN A ROW.

YES.

UH, I LIKE DOING THIS.

YEAH.

YOU, YOU KNOW, I STILL DO.

I'VE DONE IT A LOT.

MY DAD LIKED DOING IT.

HE DID IT UNTIL HE COULDN'T DO IT ANYMORE.

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I USED TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

CONGRATULATIONS.

WELL, THANK YOU, SIR.

UM, IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

IT HAS BEEN SO GLAD TO SEE YOU HEALTHY AND HAPPY AND SEE YOU TO, UH, TELL ME WE WERE JUST HANDED THIS.

TELL ME AGAIN, WHAT'S THE RELEVANCE OF THIS? WELL, THE NEIGHBORS, THESE ARE AREAS IN DEBT AND THEN DALLAS, THAT I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH.

WELL, THE NEIGHBORS AND LET ME FINISH.

SURE.

SO, SO TELL ME THE RELEVANCE OF THIS.

I KNOW THE AREA WHERE YOU REQUESTED THAT, RIGHT.

AND I DON'T KNOW THE AREAS PRETTY WELL THAT YOU, HEY, SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS PIECE.

OKAY.

WELL, THIS WAS JUST A STUDY THAT WE HAD DONE.

THAT'S NOW MAYBE I THINK WE DID IN 2013.

SO IT IS OLDER.

UH, IT WAS JUST IN RESPONSE TO THE NEIGHBORS SAYING THAT THIS IS AN INFERIOR USE.

IT IS GOING TO COME CAUSE CRIME STORAGE.

AND THIS WAS THE ONLY DATA I HAD THIS OLDER STYLE STUDY.

I COULDN'T RUN ONE FOR STORAGE IN ONE DAY TODAY, YOU KNOW, STORAGE IS NOT A CAUSE OF CRIME.

IT HAS A LOW FREQUENCY OF CALLS FOR SERVICE.

THIS WAS JUST A COMPARISON.

UH, WE COULD HAVE DONE IT IN MIAMI OR ANY OTHER CITY.

AND I SUSPECT THE NUMBERS WOULD COME OUT TO BE THE SAME.

THERE'S NO CORRESPONDENCE WITH STORAGE BEING HERE.

UH, I JUST WAS TRYING TO, I GUESS, PROVIDE SOME EVIDENCE AS OPPOSED TO THE NEIGHBORS TO JUST ARE SAYING ANECDOTALLY THAT, UM, WE DID THIS.

DAVID PICKED DALLAS AS HIS CHOICE, AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THAT HE HAD SOME EXPERTISE AS A FORMER CHIEF.

HE PICKED DALLAS BECAUSE AT THE TIME HE WAS FAMILIAR WITH IT.

AND IN THAT TIME IT WAS THE HIGHEST CRIME CITY IN THE COUNTRY.

AND SO HE WANTED TO PICK SOMEPLACE THAT HAD MORE CALLS FOR SERVICE RATHER THAN FEWER.

SO I JUST WAS PROVIDING IT AS SOME EVIDENCE, CAUSE NEIGHBOR, WE WOULD HAVE PROVIDED THIS TO THE NEIGHBORS.

HAVE THEY COME TO A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING THAT LOOK, WE'RE HAVING A BUILDING WHERE YOU CAN ONLY GET IN IT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S FULLY SECURE.

YOU CAN ONLY GET INTO THIS BUILDING.

UH, IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO STORE THERE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AND, AND MOREOVER CRIMINALS KNOW THIS.

I MEAN, THIS IS NOT THE KIND OF PLACE THEY BREAK INTO.

I MEAN, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE PROVIDED IT IS WE WANTED TO BE RESPECTFUL OF PROVIDING SOME DATA AS OPPOSED TO NONE.

I WILL TELL YOU I'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE.

AND I KNEW IT WAS IT'S DATED.

IT'S JUST, IT'S WHAT WE HAD.

AND I, I ALWAYS ADMIRED CHIEF COCKLES WORK.

TELL ME WHAT'S THE RE WHAT'S THE RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR, THIS AND YOUR APPLICATIONS? OKAY.

WELL, WE, WE HAVE ABOUT ON A WEEKDAY, WE'LL HAVE SIX VISITORS IN A DAY AND ON A WEEKEND WE MIGHT HAVE 10 AND NEIGHBORS WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT TRAFFIC.

THOSE ARE ALL LAND USES THAT WE COULD DO THERE.

THAT, THAT, THAT HAVE A LOT MORE TRIPS.

I MEAN, IF THE NEIGHBORS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC, THEY SHOULD BE HAPPY THAT WE'RE DOING STORAGE.

CAUSE WE'RE DOING FEWER TRIPS, ASSUMING THAT NOT DOING ANYTHING IS NOT AN OPTION.

SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN

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THERE.

AND WE'RE PICKING THE LOWEST TRAFFIC GENERATOR THAT, UH, OUT OF, UH, OUT OF ANY LAND USE I CAN THINK OF.

SO THOSE ARE JUST THINGS THAT MIGHT GO IN A SHOPPING CENTER, COMMONLY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

AND MY LAST QUESTION IS, UH, HIGHEST OR WE'RE DEALING WITH HIGHEST AND BEST USE.

TELL ME AGAIN, WHY, WHY THIS IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THIS SITE? I THINK THAT'S THE ANSWER IS WE CAN DO A $10 MILLION BUILDING ON THIS SITE.

UH, IF, IF YOU, IF YOU DID A PA A RETAIL PAD IN THE FRONT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S A MILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS AND MAYBE IT DOES, YOU KNOW, UH, LET LET'S SAY IT DOES.

IT'S MID-BLOCK, LET'S SAY IT DOES 800,000.

YOUR PERCENT OF THE TAX SALES TAX IS GOING TO BE DIMINIMOUS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT MORE AD VALOREM ON THIS, THEN YOU WOULD GET ON SALES TAX.

SO, UM, AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD DEVELOP ON THE BACK PART IF YOU USE THE FRONT PART FOR A SMALL PAD, UH, ANOTHER FAST FEUD USER, PROBABLY THE BACK PIECE.

WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE OFFICE.

IT'S NOT MULTIFAMILY BECAUSE I HAVE TOO MANY, IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH.

AND I HAVE TOO MANY BAD UNITS LOOKING OVER TO THE SUBSTATION.

I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW I CAN REALLY DEVELOP THIS SITE.

IF, IF IT'S THIS.

I MEAN, THIS IS THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF THAT CAN USE THIS T-SHAPED EFFECTIVELY AND, AND DO 10 MILLION, $10 MILLION.

AND IN ONE PLACE, I JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'D SUBMIT TO YOU.

AND WE'VE DONE A LOT OF RETAIL WORK.

I, THIS IS A TRICKY SITE, BAD SHAPE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANKS.

THANKS, SIR.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S REALLY NOT SOMETHING THAT WE THAT'S BEFORE US TONIGHT.

THE CHARTS YOU SAID, BUT THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU, SIR.

MAY PRO TIM HEDRICK.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE, PLEASE? SHOW HIM THE ELEVATION.

YOU RAN PAST THAT PRETTY QUICKLY.

I JUST SHUT IT, BUT YES, ONE GUESS ONE, UH, THE, UH, YOU HAD THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE PEOPLE FROM THE STORY LOOKING ACROSS THE TREELINE.

AND I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG COMPLAINTS THAT WE RECEIVED.

IT WAS, AND THAT'S WHY WE DID THAT EXHIBIT.

UH, SORRY, LET ME, THERE WE GO.

SO IF I'M IN MY BACKYARD, YOU KNOW THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING I'M GOING TO SEE AND YOU SEE THE PERSON THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY HAVE A FENCE IN THEIR BACKYARD, THAT'S THE FIRST THING, THE CENTERS TO THEM, THEN THERE'S THE EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL THAT WE'RE BUILDING, UM, WHICH IS NICE.

MAYBE THEY WON'T EVEN NEED A FENCE ANYMORE.

UH, THEN WE HAVE THE ROW OF TREES AND THEN WE HAVE THE BUILDING THAT HAS NO WINDOWS ON IT.

AND I KNOW YOUR PHOTOMETRICS THERE.

HE HAD THE LIGHT FIXTURES REPLACED AT 19 FEET OR 70 FEET ON THE BUILDING THAT WAS GOING TO BE, I'M WANTING TO DOWN ALL, ALL DOWN.

THAT'S HOW WE GET TO ZERO FOOT CANDLES.

WE'RE HAPPY THAT TO BE PART OF THE ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE TO BE AT ZERO FOOT CANDLES AND SHOULD BE.

YEAH.

AND, UH, COUNSEL, I THINK THIS, UH, I AGREE THAT THIS IS THE BEST USE FOR THIS PROPER, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE VISIBILITY IT'S IN THE BACK, I DRIVE BY THERE DAILY, AND YOU DON'T, YOU WOULD NOT SEE THIS FROM JUPITER ROAD, IF IT WASN'T FOR THAT LITTLE, THAT RUNS, THAT SHARED ACCESS EASEMENT TO THE BACK.

SO WITH THE SUBSTATION TO THE EAST, AND THEN THERE'S A, ALSO NOT MENTIONED A BIG TRANSMISSION LINE THAT RUNS ALONG THE SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY IT'S WOULD BE REALLY DIFFICULT TO GET ANY OTHER USER INTO THAT AREA.

SO, UM, JUST WANT TO LET THE REST OF THE COUNCIL NOW, BUT THANK YOU MR. RAY, ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

UH, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I SEE THAT.

THANKS, SIR.

APPRECIATE I'M SECRETARY.

DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS? IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE SIDE OF, I SEE NONE, A MAYOR PRO TIM HENDRICK TO SENIOR DISTRICT.

NOPE.

YEAH, GO AHEAD.

AND THERE WE GO.

ALL RIGHT.

AND I'D LIKE TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT TO PD ZERO TWO DASH 11 AND ZERO FIVE DASH 57, APPROVED THE SUP FOR THE 40 YEAR TIME SPAN AND THE DETAILED PLAN AS WELL.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PROTIUM HEDRICK AND A SECOND BY COUNSELOR SMITH TO APPROVE ITEMS EIGHT J K AND L AS PRESENTED, UH, SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION, MADAM SECRETARY, IF YOU COULD PAIR THE BOAT FOR US, PLEASE IN COUNCIL, MAYBE IT WAS JUST ME THAT HASN'T VOTED, NEVERMIND A DISPLAY PLACE.

THAT ITEM IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU, SIR.

[02:30:02]

AND THAT WAS OUR LAST, UH, ITEM, OUR LAST ZONING CASE.

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UH, WE ARE AT ITEM NINE, CITIZEN COMMENTS, PERSONS, WISHING TO ADDRESS ISSUES, NOT ON THE AGENDA.

MAY HAVE THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS COUNCIL AT THIS TIME.

COUNCIL IS PROHIBITED FROM DISCUSSING ANY ITEM, NOT POSTED ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

MADAM SECRETARY, DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS? WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS ON ITEM NINE, MARK COLE AND GREGORY COLE.

SIR, IF YOU COULD GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND LET'S, LET'S GET THE TIMER RESET.

HANG ON ONE SECOND.

NO, THERE WE GO.

GO AHEAD, SIR.

YOUR 2, 1 7 RURAL CRUSH DRIVE.

I ASKED MY SON TO, IF HE WOULD SUBMIT A COUPLE OF MINUTES OF HIS TIME SO I CAN GET TO THE READING OF THIS.

SO IT SHOULD TAKE ABOUT FOUR MINUTES.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO MINUTES AND 40.

I SAID 40 MAYOR, SCOTT LEMAY, AND THE CITY COUNCIL ELECT I'M GREG COLA, GARLAND RESIDENT OF 32 YEARS, UH, RINGING, UH, ATTENTION TO A STREET PRODUCT KNOWN AS THE DOD PATO FILLER.

I MET STEVE OLIVER HEAD OF THE STREET DEPARTMENT 20 YEARS AGO.

ABOUT THE FIRST MONTH HE STARTED WITH THE CITY.

I SHOWED STEVE, UH, A STREET REPAIR PRODUCT, JUST LIKE YOU WERE HANDED A ZIPLOC BAG WITH THAT WAS THAT PASSED OUT TO YOU BY CHANCE YOU DIDN'T PASS THEM OUT, MARK, AND YOU PASS IT OUT.

OR THE ONES YOU GUYS TO SEE THIS PRODUCT HAS BEEN USED AND APPROVED BY 27 DIFFERENT STATES AND STATE OF VIRGINIA AND DALLAS.

I CAN JUST LIST ALL KINDS OF CITIES THAT HAVE USED THIS PRODUCT, BUT MOVING ON, UM, I SHOWED STEVE OLIVER, A VIDEO OF THE PRODUCT BEING USED IN WEST MICHIGAN AND A FOLLOWUP FROM CHANNEL 13 A YEAR LATER, WHAT THE PRODUCT LOOKED LIKE.

STEVE ASKS IF THERE WAS ANY OF THIS PRODUCT IN THE CITY OF GARLAND.

AND I SAID, YES, SIR.

IT WAS 15 MINUTES LATER WHERE MY DRIVEWAY LOOKING AT THE PRODUCT, STEVE SAID, HEY, I LIKE TO USE IT HERE IN GARLAND.

SO STEVE HAD THE CITY BUY A DRUM AND TOGETHER THE PRODUCT WAS MIXED POURED AT AN INTERSECTION THAT HAD AN ACTIVE UNDERGROUND SPRING THAT'S RIGHT RUNNING WATER FLOWING RIGHT INTO THE HOLE THAT WE WERE POURING THE REPAIR MATERIAL TO NO ONE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO LAST THROUGH THE NIGHT.

I WENT BY A WEEK LATER AND THE DLT PAULO FILLER LOOKED GREAT.

STEVE SAID, COME BACK WHEN YOU'VE GOT A MACHINE THAT WILL MIX IT.

10 YEARS LATER, I CAME BACK, THE EQUIPMENT WAS ON A TRAILER AND I NEEDED A TRUCK TO PULL IT.

STEVE GAVE ME PERMISSION TO CONTINUE FILLING POTHOLES IN GARLAND USING OUR TRAILER MOUNTED EQUIPMENT.

THE EQUIPMENT WAS PERFECTED AT THE END OF THREE YEARS.

TODAY, WE HAVE FOUR PATENTS AND THE PRODUCT IS PREP FOR PRIETARY.

STEVE THEN ARRANGE FOR A FEW OF HIS CREW STREET CREW TO FILL POTHOLES FOR OUR TRAILER MOUNTED EQUIPMENT.

AND ON THAT DAY, ONE OF THE WORKMEN ON THE CREW SAID, QUOTE, I REMEMBER YOU IN THIS PRODUCT, WE POURED THE PRODUCT INTO A REPAIR SPOT AT AN INTERSECTION THAT HAD RUNNING WATER FROM AN UNDERGROUND SPRING.

NO ONE THOUGHT IT WOULD LAST THE NIGHT.

I RECALL IT OUTLASTED ANYTHING BEFORE IT.

STEVE TOLD US THAT WE NEEDED TO GO ON BY BOARD FOR THE CITY OF GARDEN TO PURCHASE SOME MIXING EQUIPMENT.

THAT WAS 2016.

UNFORTUNATELY BY BOARD ONLY OPENED UP THE CATEGORY FOR STREET EQUIPMENT EVERY FOUR YEARS.

I JUST MISSED IT.

I HAD TO WAIT DURING THE WAIT.

WE WENT FROM TRAILER, PULLED EQUIPMENT TO TRUCK, MOUNTAIN EQUIPMENT.

WE RETURNED TO SEE STEVE OLIVER SHOWED HIM THE MIXING EQUIPMENT ON TRUCKS.

AND AGAIN, STEVE SENT US OUT THIS TIME WITH TWO MEN FROM THE STREET DEPARTMENT TO FILL POTHOLES.

THAT WAS 2020.

I SHARED WITH STEVE, OUR MIXING MACHINES AND THE PRODUCT WAS ON BUYBOARD STILL NO PRODUCT OR EQUIPMENT WAS PURCHASED, BUT A GOOD REASON WHY COVID-19 ANOTHER TWO YEARS PAST THIS PAST FEBRUARY, I STOPPED AND VISITED WITH STEVE.

HE CALLED ME JUST BEFORE I CAME IN HERE.

I UPDATED STEVE THAT WE NO LONGER SELL AND TRAIN STREET CREWS TO USE THE EQUIPMENT AND PRODUCT.

RATHER WE OFFER THE DLT PATIL FILLER INSTALLED OUR COMPANY'S INSURED, BONDED AND CERTIFIED.

OUR CREWS ACTUALLY DO THE REPAIR.

OUR REPAIR EXTENDS ASPHALT STREETS PERFORMANCE.

ANOTHER FOUR TO FIVE YEARS.

THE STREET DEPARTMENT CAN OVERLAY ANY TIME WITHOUT THE REMOVAL OF OUR PRODUCT.

A COPY OF THIS LETTER I SENT STEVE WAS UPDATED WITH INFORMATION IN THE ZIPLOC BAG, GIVEN TO YOU ALONG WITH A PRODUCT DATA SHEET, OUR COMPANY IS ASKING THE CITY OF GARLAND TO GIVE STEVE OLIVER A LITTLE TIME TO WORK WITH ME.

THAT'S HE BASICALLY SAID TO ME, AND ON THE PHONE CALL BEFORE HE GOT IN HERE, HE'S BUSY.

HE LIKES A PRODUCT AND I'VE WAS 50.

WHEN I STARTED I'M 71 AND TWO, A FEW MORE DAYS.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE BEING A RESIDENT OF THIS CITY THAT WE WOULD USE THIS GOOD PRODUCT TO MAINTAIN AND EXTEND THE LIFE PERFORMANCE OF OUR STREETS.

[02:35:01]

CAN YOU GUYS DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT BEFORE I TURNED 90? THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SHARE WITH THE CITY.

CAN YOU GUYS DO SOMETHING? THANK YOU, SIR.

WE APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.

STEVE SAID YOU PROBABLY REFERRED TO HIM AND I'D BE HEARING FROM 37.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO AND I'M SORRY.

I DIDN'T GET ON THE AGENDA.

I DIDN'T KNOW THE PROTOCOL.

NO, YOU'RE FINE.

BEFORE I SIT DOWN, YOU GUYS DO A GREAT JOB AND NO, I'M NOT RUNNING FOR THAT CHAIR THAT YOU'RE SITTING IN AND I CAN SEE, AND I JUST LOVE THE CITY 32 YEARS.

THIS IS JUST A GRANDE CITY.

WELCOME ON.

I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN NEW PEOPLE.

I REALLY DO.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ARE WE GOING TO NEED THE ADDITIONAL SPEAKER TIME? THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH.

THAT'S GOOD.

ALL RIGHT.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL THIS EVENING TONIGHT SEEING NONE TO 9 48, WE ARE ADJOURNED.