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UNLESS THEY WERE SO FAR OUT OF LINE TO START WITH JUST HIGH HOPES, BUT MY DAUGHTER LIVES IN SAXY IN A PRETTY MODEST NEIGHBORHOOD AND HER NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS THAT THEIR HOUSE UP FOR SALE HAD A ONE DAY SHOWING, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE CAME.THEN THEY HAD A BIDDING WAR THAT DAY IT'S LIKE PUT IN YOUR BEST OFFER.
AND THEY, YOU KNOW, SO BOOM SOLD AND ANOTHER FRIEND AND MY DISTRICT OVER HERE IN CHANNEL HEIGHTS HAD THE SAME THING, BUT THIS HOUSE UP FOR SALE, HER REALTOR SAID I'M ONLY GONNA SHOW UP FOR ONE DAY.
SO SHE TOOK APPOINTMENTS ALL DAY, SHOWED PEOPLE THROUGH, TOLD THEM ALL YOU NEED TO LEAVE YOUR BEST OFFER, UM, AND HAVE A PRE-APPROVAL READY OR HAS TO BE A CASH DEAL.
I HAD THIS BIG STACK, WENT THROUGH, PICK THE TOP TWO, YOU KNOW, OH, THE BEST ONE, UH, STAND BY.
AND I THINK IT'S LIKE A STANDBY ANYWAY.
ALL RIGHT, WE READY? WE'RE RECORDING.
HELLO AND WELCOME TO THE JUNE 21ST, 2022 SUMMER SOLSTICE EDITION OF THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE.
UH, WE HAVE MYSELF, UH, DYLAN HEDRICK, WELL AS WELL WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN BASS AND COUNCIL, ANY MORRIS ROLL, SOME OTHER CITY STAFF MEMBERS.
FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE APRIL 18TH, 2022 MEETING.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BASS, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MORRIS.
THE ONLY ITEM WE HAVE FOR CONSIDERATION ON OUR AGENDA TODAY IS HORIZONTAL MULTIFAMILY STANDARDS.
MR. GUERIN, GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
THIS IS PICKING UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF ON A HORIZONTAL MULTIFAMILY OR IN SOME PLACES IT'S CALLED SINGLE FAMILY RENTAL, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING REALLY WHERE IT'S, UM, UH, KIND OF THE WAY WE'VE SEEN IT AS IT'S ESSENTIALLY MULTIFAMILY BECAUSE IT'S ALL ON ONE.
IT'S MULTIPLE UNITS ON ONE PLATTED LOT, BUT, UM, UH, BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT BEING MORE HORIZONTAL VERSUS, YOU KNOW, HAVING 2, 3, 4 STORIES OF LARGER BUILDINGS, SO MORE OF A SINGLE FAMILY STYLE.
SO I DID LOOK AT A FEW OTHER CITIES, UH, PRIMARILY IN THIS REGION.
DENTON WAS ONE CITY THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, UH, LAST TIME.
JUST KIND OF BACK UP A LITTLE BIT.
DIDN'T HAVE MUCH LUCK FINDING CITIES AROUND HERE WHO ALL HAVE ALREADY AMENDED THEIR DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, TO SORT OF ALLOW THIS BY RIGHT, HOWEVER, UM, SOME CITIES ARE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES.
UM, IN FACT, DENTON, JUST START WITH DENTON.
THEY LIKE GARLAND AND MOST OTHER CITIES IN THIS REGION, UH, CURRENTLY ONLY ALLOW, UM, THIS HORIZONTAL MULTI-FAMILY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THROUGH A PD BECAUSE IT JUST, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT JUST DOESN'T QUITE CLEANLY FIT SINGLE FAMILY STANDARDS OR MULTI-FAMILY STANDARDS.
SO THE PD ROUTE IS, UM, WHAT, UH, MOST OF THESE ARE GOING WITH INCLUDING DENTON.
UH, BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THEY ARE, UH, STRONGLY CONSIDERING TWEAKING, UM, THEIR DEVELOPMENT CODE.
AND THEY'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE BY TWEAKING THE DEFINITION OF MULTI-FAMILY MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING, WHICH, UM, IN THEIR CODE IS, UM, FIVE OR MORE UNITS UNDER ONE ROOF.
SO THEY WOULD AMEND THAT TO FIVE OR MORE UNITS ON ONE LOT.
UM, THE GDC HAS A SIMILAR DEFINITION.
IT'S THREE OR MORE UNITS IN ONE BUILDING FOR DWELLING COMMON MULTIFAMILY AS THE DEFINITION IS.
THANKS TO NEXT GEN, A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN THE HALLWAY.
UM, AND THEN, UH, SHE NOTED, THIS IS MY COLLEAGUE OVER, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OVER THERE AND NOTED THAT, UM, OTHER MULTI-FAMILY SITE DESIGN STANDARDS APPLY, UM, WHICH IS INTERESTING BECAUSE I, UH, SOME THINGS HAVE COME UP LIKE HERE WE'LL HAVE MINIMUM BUILDING SEPARATION, THE GDC OF 20 FEET.
THAT WAS ONE DEVIATION THAT PARK HOUSE PROVIDENT RECENTLY, UH, NEEDED.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S KIND OF HOW THEY'RE APPROACHING THAT AS KIND OF, UH, CHANGING THE DEFINITION OF MULTI-FAMILY, UM, SELENA, UM, THEY HAVE, UH, SOME LANGUAGE I'LL SHARE HERE ON THE NEXT SLIDE FOR HORIZONTAL MULTI-FAMILY, THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT THEY CALL IT.
MF ZERO FOR HORIZONTAL MULTIFAMILY.
UM, THEY HAVE SOME STANDARDS, BUT THESE WERE USED PREVIOUSLY IN A PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
IT MAY HAVE BEEN IN ONE MORE THAN ONE PD, BUT AT LEAST ONE PD, AND THEN THEY ARE MOVING IN THE DIRECTION OF, UM, KIND OF MOVING SOME OF THIS LANGUAGE INTO THEIR DEVELOPMENT CODE.
I WAS ABLE TO SPEAK WITH, UM, A SENIOR PLANNER AT THE CITY OF SALINA AND THEY SAID I'M ACTUALLY IN OCTOBER, THEY PLAN TO THEM IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE TO, UH, ADD THIS USE.
AND SO, UH, I'LL PULL UP THE STANDARDS HERE.
AND SOME OF THIS IS KIND OF MORE, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S TAKEN STRAIGHT FROM A PD.
SO SOME OF IT IS VERY SPECIFIC TO THAT SITE.
SO NOT ALL OF THIS MAY CLEANLY TRANSFER, BUT I JUST WANTED TO, UM, UH, SHARE IT.
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SOME OF THE STUFF, YOU KNOW, IS KIND OF ALREADY CONTEMPLATED IN THE GDC OR WE HAVE VERY SIMILAR REQUIREMENTS ALREADY.UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF PRESCRIPTIVE INFORMATION HERE TOO, BUT, UM, JUST KIND OF STARTING OR KIND OF GOING THROUGH A FEW BULLETS, BUT ON THE TOP.
AND I BELIEVE IT'S THE NEXT CITY WE'LL LOOK AT HAS THE SAME DENSITY REQUIREMENT OF 12 UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, THAT SHOULDN'T BE HARD TO MEET FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, THE PROVIDENT PARK HOUSE ONE, AND YOU ALL PROVED A FEW MEETINGS BACK WAS ABOUT SEVEN UNITS PER ACRE, AND THAT WAS A GOOD 242 UNITS, UH, MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT.
THEY'VE GOT A 3 36 STORIES OR, OR EXCUSE ME, 36 FEET OR TWO STORIES.
UM, THAT MAY BE ONE THING WE CAN DISCUSS IF WE WANT TO IDENTIFY STANDARDS FOR THIS.
UM, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS HAVE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 35 FEET AND THE GDC WHILE MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, WHICH IS TOWNHOUSES HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 40 FEET.
UM, I, I THINK IF WE WENT WITH 35 IN MOST CASES, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE FOR THESE.
UM, IT'S MORE, JUST A MATTER OF ANY OF THEM HAVING TO HAVE MORE PITCHED RUSE ARTICULATION FOR MORE OF A TOWNHOUSE STYLE.
UM, OF COURSE THEY HAVE SOME SCREENING REQUIREMENTS HERE.
AGAIN, A LOT OF THIS IS KIND OF SITE-SPECIFIC, UM, AND, AND THERE'S ALREADY SOME SIMILAR REQUIREMENTS IN THE GDC.
THEY'VE GOT A ROOF PITCH OF FIVE 12, SO THEY, THEY KIND OF GO WITH MORE OF A SINGLE FAMILY STANDARD THERE.
THE GDC IS SIX, 12 IS A BASE STANDARD FOR SINGLE FAMILY, UH, COVERED PARKING THEY'VE GOT HERE.
UH, INTERESTINGLY THEY DO HAVE A DISTANCE, UH, BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES FACE-TO-FACE SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF 10 FEET.
UM, WE DO HAVE A IN MULTI-FAMILY THERE'S A BUILDING SEPARATION MINIMUM OF 20 FEET.
AGAIN, THAT WAS ONE OF THE DEVIATIONS THAT PARK HOUSE NEEDED TO KIND OF ACCOMMODATE A MORE SINGLE FAMILY STYLE LAYOUT, HAVING BUILDINGS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TOGETHER.
UM, GDC HAS A SIMILAR REGULATION HERE.
THEY HAVE A REPETITION KIND OF AVOIDING A REPETITION OF BUILDING ELEVATIONS.
WE HAVE, UM, ALMOST THE EXACT SAME, UM, UH, REGULATION AND THE GDC CURRENTLY.
UM, AGAIN, AMENITY REQUIREMENTS, THEY STILL HAVE A MASONRY REQUIREMENT.
INTERESTINGLY, WE KIND OF MOVED THAT OUT AFTER THE STATE LAW, THEY CHOSE TO STICK WITH IT, I GUESS, OR PUT IT INTO THE PD.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY I CAN COME BACK TO THIS, BUT, UH, THOUGHT THESE WERE INTERESTING STANDARDS, UM, THAT ARE OUT THERE AND THEN PRINCETON ALSO, THEY CALL IT SINGLE FAMILY RENTAL.
AND, UM, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT SIMPLER, UH, NOT QUITE AS MANY PRESCRIPTIVE, UH, REGULATIONS, BUT THIS IS ALSO AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM MY CONTACT, UH, WHO SHARED THIS WITH ME, THESE, THESE ARE NOT IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT RATHER WERE USED IN A PD.
UM, BUT SOME INTERESTING STANDARDS, NONETHELESS, THEY DO HAVE A MAXIMUM OF, UM, UNIT TYPES THAT NO, UH, OR EXCUSE ME, A NUMBER PER BUILDING THAT NO BUILDING MAY CONTAIN MORE THAN FOUR UNITS.
SO THAT MAY, UM, KIND OF RESTRICT THE DENSITY AND, AND NOT, UM, ALLOW TOO MUCH OF A ROW OR CLUSTER OF, OF UNITS KIND OF KEEPS THAT IN CHECK A LITTLE BIT, A MAXIMUM OF 12 UNITS PER ACRE, SIMILAR TO, UM, SELENA'S DENSITY, UH, REQUIREMENT THEY HAVE.
AND SOME OF THEIR PDS, UM, HAS A 225 UNIT MAXIMUM, AGAIN, THAT MAY HAVE BEEN SPECIFIC TO, UH, A SITE FOR, UH, FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THEY HAVE A 30 FOOT, UM, HEIGHT RESTRICTION, OF COURSE, TWO STORIES AS WELL.
UM, LET'S SEE, SFR, I THINK THAT WAS KIND OF MORE SPECIFIC TO THE PD, BUT THEY, THEY HAVE A SIMILAR DETAILED PLAN PROCESS AND THAT THE SITE PLAN AS THEY CALL IT REQUIRES APPROVAL THROUGH P AND Z AND COUNCIL, UM, SIMILAR TO OUR PDS AND GARLAND, UM, LET'S SEE SCREENING, UH, THEY JUST NOTED NO SCREEN, WHICH SHALL BE REQUIRED BETWEEN SFR NSF TO, I THINK THAT WAS SPECIFIC TO THIS SITE WHERE THIS WAS PULLED FROM, FROM THE PD.
AND THEN THEY HAVE A MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENT THAT HOA SHALL BE MADE, UH, MAINTAIN, UM, THE, THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF STOP THERE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A REMINDER WITH THE PARK HOUSE DEVELOPMENT, WHAT WAS INTERESTING IS, UM, THERE REALLY WERE ONLY, THEY KIND OF STARTED WITH THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT OF MULTI-FAMILY AND THEN JUST KIND OF DEVIATED FROM THERE BASED ON THIS MORE SINGLE FAMILY STYLE.
AND THEY REALLY OWNED, IT ONLY ENDED UP NEEDING TWO DEVIATIONS FROM THE CODE.
AND ONE OF THEM REALLY WASN'T NECESSARILY RELATED TO THE STYLE OF DEVELOPMENT.
IT WAS JUST THE SIZE OF THE CLUBHOUSE.
THEY PREFER TO SMALLER CLUBHOUSE.
UM, BUT, UH, BUT THE OTHER ONE, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WAS BUILDING SEPARATION.
UM, THEY NEEDED A 10 FOOT VERSUS 20 FOOT, BUT, UM, INTERESTINGLY PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THEY ELSE THEY MET.
UM, BUT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I KIND OF NOTED HERE FOR PERHAPS DISCUSSION, UM, THAT IF WE DO WANT TO BE JUST TO BE REAL CLEAR, I KNOW THE PURPOSE OF THIS WAS TO BE REAL CLEAR IF WE ALLOW THIS TYPE OF LAND USE AND EXACTLY WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE MULTIFAMILY OR SINGLE FAMILY VERSUS HAVING TO KIND OF MAKE IT UP ON THE FLY THROUGH EVERY PD.
UM, SO BUILDING HEIGHT I MENTIONED EARLIER, UM,
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COULD BE SOMETHING THE COMMITTEE COULD DISCUSS, UH, 35 FEET, WHICH IS THE SINGLE FAMILY STANDARD VERSUS 40 FEET, WHICH IS MULTIFAMILY AND TOWNHOUSES.UM, LET'S SEE, I'VE NOTED BUILDING SEPARATION, BUT ALSO BUILDING DESIGN.
UM, DOES IT FOLLOW THAT? THAT'S KIND OF PROBABLY BEEN OUR BIGGEST, UH, AT LEAST FROM THE PLANNING STAFF IS, YOU KNOW, DOES THIS, UM, DO WE APPLY MORE SINGLE FAMILY STANDARDS OR MULTIFAMILY STANDARDS? YOU'RE STARTING WITH A BASE MULTIFAMILY, BUT OF COURSE THE STYLE OF DEVELOPMENT REALLY RESEMBLES MORE OF US IN THAT KIND OF SINGLE FAMILY TYPE UNIT.
SO, UM, I BELIEVE WITH A PARK HOUSE, INTERESTINGLY, THEY ACTUALLY MET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR BOTH.
UM, I THINK WE STARTED WITH MULTI-FAMILY AND THEN KIND OF TRIED TO SEE WHAT THEY COULD MEET FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND THEY ENDED UP KIND OF MEETING THAT, BUT, UM, BUT PERHAPS SOME CLARIFICATION THERE AND, UM, UH, I HAVE A NOTE HERE UNIT, DO YOU APPLY IT PER UNIT OR PER BUILDING? I BELIEVE, UM, THE PLANNER SAID IT WAS ADMINISTERED PER, UH, BUILDING, UM, TO, UM, JUST TO KIND OF CONTEMPLATE THIS, UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE ATTACHED TO UNITS.
THESE AREN'T ALL SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED NECESSARILY.
UM, BUT THOSE ARE A FEW SPECIFIC STANDARDS THAT MIGHT BE GOOD TO, UM, CLARIFY IF THERE IS, IF WE CREATED THIS LAND USE AND, UM, UH, JUST SO IT'S, UM, CLARIFIED IN THE CODE, BUT, UM, BEYOND THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU, MR. KAREN, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM? I MEAN, WILL, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE DENTON SLIDE PLEASE, SIR? OH, I'M SORRY.
OH, THE ONE WHERE IT HAD LISTED, MAYBE IT WASN'T THAT MAYBE IT WAS THE LINEUP, BUT IT WAS THE LIST OF THEIR RULES.
I GOT TO SELECT, YOU KNOW, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.
SO JUST LOOKING AT THAT ONE, ONE THAT REALLY IS, FOR SOME REASON, STICKING OUT TO ME, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT WOULDN'T BE ON THERE AT ALL, WHERE IT SAYS NO GATES CROSSING, FIRE LANES ARE ALLOWED.
YEAH, I GUESS THAT WAS PROBABLY SOMETHING THEIR FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIRED TO BE PUT INTO THE PD.
UM, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TO ONE OF THESE IN, IN, UM, MCKINNEY AND THEY'VE GOT A, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT AN ACCESS GATE GETTING INTO IT, JUST LIKE COMMUNITY.
SO THAT'S BEEN OUR EXPERIENCE IN GARLANDS.
TYPICALLY THERE'LL BE A KIND OF A KNOX BOX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN WORK THROUGH IF THERE IS A REALLY, FOR ANY MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, IF IT'S GATED.
SO, UM, THAT MAY HAVE JUST BEEN A LOCAL PREFERENCE.
AS FAR AS READING THROUGH ALL OF THE REGULATIONS ON THESE, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT REALLY STUCK OUT AND SURE.
UM, THAT'S UH, THAT'S I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REALLY.
AND JUST READY, READY FOR DISCUSSION CHAIRMAN.
UM, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT HANDY, THE PARK HOUSE PD THAT COULD BE THROWN UP ON THE SCREEN REAL QUICK.
WHAT THE FINAL DECISIONS WERE THAT WE MADE WITH THAT? I DON'T HAVE IT HANDY.
IT WAS THERE ANY PARTICULAR, UH, I JUST, JUST FOR FOUR APPLES TO APPLES AND WHAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY OURSELVES I'M STUCK, UM, HERE.
SO I'LL JUST SAY, I THINK THAT THE 12 UNITS, AN ACRE DENSITY SEEMS REASONABLE TO ME.
UM, I THINK THE 35 FEET, TWO STORY SEEMS REASONABLE AND IT SEEMS TO BE PRETTY STANDARD AND PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
UM, AS FAR AS, AS DESIGN STANDARDS, WHETHER WE'RE TALKING SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTIFAMILY, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'D RATHER THEM MANAGE TO HIT THE MARK IN BOTH CASES, BUT FOR THESE, UM, SINGLE FAMILY RENTAL HORIZONTAL DEVELOPMENTS, BECAUSE THEY LOOK MORE LIKE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, I WOULD PERSONALLY PROBABLY LEAN TOWARD IF WE'RE GOING TO LEAN IN A DIRECTION, I WOULD RATHER LEAN TOWARDS THEM HITTING SINGLE FAMILY, UM, DESIGN STANDARDS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.
UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION AND THAT'S HELPFUL.
AND, UM, ALSO I'LL KIND OF POINT BACK TO IF THE UNIT TYPE THAT LANGUAGE, THAT PRINCE AND I BELIEVE IT IS HAS IN HERE, NO BUILDING CONTAIN MAY CONTAIN MORE THAN FOUR UNITS.
UM, I RECALL PARK HOUSE HAD A KIND OF A MAXIMUM CLUSTER OF NINE UNITS KIND OF IN A POD, BUT THEY WEREN'T NECESSARILY ALL ATTACHED I'D IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.
I BELIEVE IT WAS FOUR, THREE OR FOUR WAS THE MAXIMUM ATTACHED 3, 3, 3, 3.
SO THEY MADE A SQUARE AROUND A CENTRAL AREA.
UM, THAT COULD BE A STANDARD, MORE DISCUSSING AS WELL.
IF THAT, IF THE COMMITTEE IS INTERESTED IN SOME OF THESE ITEMS HERE, ESPECIALLY SALON, I'VE WORKED WITH SLIME FOR, AND THEY ARE VERY PARTICULAR ABOUT HOW THEY LIKE TO SEE THEIR DEVELOPMENTS OCCUR.
AND YOU COULD SEE THAT WITH THIS PD, THEY REGULATE MANDATORY MASONRY IN LPDS THEY ARE.
BUT, UM, SOME THINGS I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD REGULATE IT, I NOTICED ON THERE IS THERE'S LIKE,
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UM, ROOF SLOPE AND THAT SORT OF THING, WHERE YOU GET INTO THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.I DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH THAT AT ALL.
UM, THIS UNIT TYPE, WELL, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT APPLY PER UNIT REBUILDING.
I THINK WE SHOULD APPLY PER BUILDING BECAUSE THESE ARE, IF YOU MIGHT GET THESE PODS TOGETHER AND IF YOU'RE REQUIRING ARTICULATION, WE DON'T WANT IT PER UNIT NECESSARILY.
IT'S ALL ONE STRUCTURE I'M FINE WITH 35 FOOT HEIGHT TO MATCH OUR SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, BUT DENSITY 12 PER UNITS PER ACRE IS FINE.
UM, THE QUESTION TO THE COMMITTEE IS ABOUT CARPORT AND CAR PARKING SPACES, BECAUSE THAT'S GETS INTO THE, WHETHER IT IS A APARTMENT MULTI-FAMILY TYPE USE, OR A SINGLE FAMILY USE THE PARK HOUSE HAD GARAGE FOR SOME OF THEIR UNITS THAT WERE ASSESSABLE TO THE UNIT ITSELF, AND OTHERS WERE SEPARATE FROM THE UNIT AND YOU HAD TO ACCESS YOU'D PARK IT AND WALK AROUND HERE UNIT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAD CAR PORTS, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE THINGS THEY HAD CORE PORTS, BUT IF THAT'S A QUESTION, WHETHER WE WANT TO MAKE THAT A REQUIREMENT FOR THIS TYPE OF USE, THAT'S ALWAYS A BIG ISSUE WITH YEAH.
MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, UM, SCREENING.
I KNOW ONE WAS ABOUT THE FENCING BETWEEN UNITS.
THEY AL THEY TYPICALLY LIKE TO HAVE THEIR OWN PRIVATE YARD SPACE.
I SEE THAT AT LEAST PARKHOUSE DID.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NECESSARILY NEED TO REGULATE THAT OR NOT, BUT THAT'S ONE THING THAT ALL OF THESE SEEM TO HAVE IN COMMON IS YOU HAVE A FENCED IN PRIVATE YARD SPACE WITH A COMMON GREENSPACE WALKING PATH BETWEEN THEM, THE PARKING REGULATION ONE AND A HALF PER UNIT.
A LOT OF THESE ARE, WELL, WE MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT IF, WHETHER IT'S TWO BEDROOM OR ONE BEDROOM UNITS TYPICALLY.
YEAH, WE COULD, I COULD GO BACK AND LOOK AT PARK HOUSE ARE ON OUR MULTI-FAMILY STANDARDS.
DO, UM, THE PARKING REQUIREMENT DEPENDS ON WHETHER IT'S ONE BEDROOM OR TWO PLUS BEDROOMS. SO WE COULD, AND IT'S A SIMILAR RATIO.
IT'S A, IT'S REALLY, THEY'RE 1.5 OR TWO, DEPENDING ON WHETHER IT'S A ONE OR TWO PLUS BEDROOMS. SO, AND THEN FINALLY, THE SPACE BETWEEN BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, I'M FINE WITH A 10 FEET, YOU WOULD GET TWO BUILDINGS TOGETHER THAT WOULD HAVE A WALK PATH BETWEEN I I'M NOT, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO NECESSARILY GO TO 20 FEET IF YOU WERE TRYING TO MAKE THESE CLUSTERS AND LET THEM LAY IT OUT.
SO 10 FOOT MINIMUM THERE IS FINE WITH ME THAT, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER WORD LINES THAT THOSE WERE PUT IN ARE KIND OF THE MAIN ONES.
I, I THINK FROM WHAT I CAN TELL AND HAVING PARKHOUSE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS, IT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE TO KEEP THE AMENITY REQUIREMENTS AND MULTI-FAMILY AMENITY REQUIREMENTS APPLICABLE, UM, THE GENERAL SCREENING REQUIREMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THOSE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE AN ISSUE, UM, DURING THE REVIEW PROCESS.
SO, UM, YEAH, WITH THE AMENITIES THAT CLUBHOUSE SIZE AND REQUIRED THEM BECAUSE THESE ARE INDIVIDUAL UNITS, BUT THEY FUNCTION AS A MULTIFAMILY ALMOST WHERE THEY HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER THAT IS USED BY THE WHOLE, ALL THE RESIDENTS IN THERE.
SO I'D STILL LIKE TO HAVE THAT AMENITY IN THERE.
UM, AND PROBABLY MAYBE SOME CLARIFICATION ON, UH, I THINK THOUGHT AND BASED ON KIND OF HOW SELENA AND PRINCETON REFERRED TO HIM AS MF ZERO OR SF ARE, IT SEEMS TO INSINUATE THAT THEY'RE CREATING A ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, OF COURSE WE'VE BEEN RUNNING THROUGH THE PROCESS DEAF ENOUGH AND ENOUGH TO, SO IT'D BE A SIMPLE OR KIND OF CONSISTENT AMENDMENT TO THAT IF WE'RE, UM, CREATING A ZONING DISTRICT, BUT JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT IT'D BE A ZONING DISTRICT KIND OF MORE SPECIFIC TO THIS, OR KIND OF A SUB SUB DISTRICT REALLY OF MF VERSUS ALLOWING THIS BY RIGHT IN THE GENERAL MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT.
UM, UH, THE, THE FORMER HAVING A DISTRICT SPECIFIC TO THIS, UH, OR SUB DISTRICT, IF YOU WILL, UM, WOULD KIND OF RESTRICT IT MORE.
SO IT'S MORE PREDICTABLE ON WHERE, WHERE THIS WOULD BE SIMILAR TO ACTUALLY HAVE TO ZONE INTO THIS.
UM, AND THEN POTENTIALLY IF THEY MEET EVERYTHING BY RIGHT, THEY DON'T NEED APD NECESSARILY.
THEY COULD POTENTIALLY REZONE TO, I'M FINE WITH MAKING A MULTIFAMILY SUBDISTRICT AS WE DID WITH OUR GARDEN STYLE DISTRICT.
AND OUR MORE URBAN STYLE DISTRICT HAVE THIS, THIS SEEMS TO BE IN THE SAME VEIN.
THEY'RE JUST, WE'RE GOING HORIZONTAL INSTEAD OF VERTICAL NOW.
SO DO WE NEED TO TRY TO NAIL DOWN THE, THE, UH, PARKING RATIO NOW? DO WE NEED TO DO YEAH.
WHAT'S YOUR MINUS FOR OUR PARKING RATIOS ALL BY FAMILY.
PULL IT UP JUST TO MAKE SURE I'VE GOT IT RIGHT.
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I BELIEVE IT WAS PER MYSTICAL PER BEDROOM, OR IS IT PER UNIT? YES.UM, WELL UNITS, HOW MANY BEDROOMS? BEDROOMS, BEDROOMS PER UNIT.
SO EFFICIENCY, UH, APARTMENTS ARE, UM, JUST ONE SPACE IS REQUIRED THERE, BUT FOR A STANDARD ONE BEDROOM, IT'S ONE AND A HALF SPACES.
AND THEN FOR ANY UNITS THAT THAT'S TWO OR MORE BEDROOMS IS, UH, TWO SPACES.
I'M FINE WITH USING THAT SAME RATIO IN THIS.
IF YOU HAVE A TWO BEDROOM UNIT, YOU LIKELY HAVE TWO, IF YOU HAD ROOMMATES, EACH WOULD HAVE A CAR, I ASSUME THAT.
WHAT ABOUT CARPORTS OR WHERE ON THIS, ON THE DISCUSSION? I THINK ACTUALLY WE, WE ALL SEEM TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE AS, UH, LIKE A, TO FOLLOW A SINGLE FAMILY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE SINCE THAT IS WHAT THEIR SYMBOL.
UM, I GOTTA PUT MY GLASSES ON TO READ MY OWN WRITING.
AND I LIKE THE, UH, PER BUILDING, NOT PER UNIT, UM, THE CAR PORT.
SO I MEAN, THAT, THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING I'D HONESTLY LIKE TO, AS A SIDE NOTE, THAT'S SOMETHING I HAVE IN MY NOTES.
I HAVEN'T BROUGHT UP YET THAT I'D LIKE FOR PROBABLY THIS COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS ANYWAY, CARPORTS.
UM, I JUST DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, PERSONALLY, I DON'T SEE THE POINT OF THEM IF YOU'RE GOING FOR A MORE SINGLE FAMILY, LOOK, A CARDBOARD IS NOT EXACTLY THAT WAY TO GO WITH THIS.
A LOT OF THESE DO HAVE, AT LEAST THE PARCAST DID HAVE GARAGES THAT WERE WELL, AND THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT GOT ME THINKING ALSO, DO WE WANT TO HAVE A GARAGE, ANY KIND OF GARAGE REQUIREMENT ON THESE TO GIVE IT MORE OF A SINGLE-FAMILY LOOK BECAUSE THEY ARE, I MEAN, THEY BASICALLY ARE, RIGHT.
I MEAN, UNLESS THEIR ENDEAVORS NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE GARAGES, YOU SEE, THIS DOES HAVE A STANDARD UP HERE FOR IT, BUT IT'S VERY MINIMAL.
BUT WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THAT? IT'S HARD TO SEE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF HOMES THESE DAYS WITHOUT GARAGES NEAR SINGLE FAMILY.
AND WHILE CARPORTS CAN BE USEFUL FOR A LOT OF THINGS, AS IN KEEPING THE TEXAS SUN, UM, INHALE OFF OF CARS SINCE WE'RE IN TEXAS, UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING SINGLE FAMILY, WHICH THIS IS, UH, I DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE PUTTING A CARPORT, UM, REQUIREMENT HERE.
AND IF THEY, I MEAN, IF THEY WANT TO PROVIDE THEM AND IF THEY FEEL LIKE, UM, LIKE IN AN AREA, BUT THEY WOULDN'T BE LIKE AT EACH HOUSE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD BUY THAT.
I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE THE CARPORT REQUIREMENT, BUT I WOULD BE OPEN TO A GARAGE REQUIREMENT OF LIKE ONE PER UNIT OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, AN ENCLOSED GARAGE AND CLOSED.
PARKING'S WHAT THEY CALL IT HERE.
CAUSE I MEAN, MAYBE THEY HAVE A PARKING GARAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
AND I KNOW AT LEAST WITH THE PROJECT IN MY DISTRICT, THAT'S A GRANTED WHERE WITH THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY UNIT, THEY EACH HAVE A GARAGE, SO YEAH.
AND THEN WE WANT TO SAY, KEEP A RATIOS, BUT MINIMAL ONE ENCLOSED PARKING.
CAR AND CLOSED PARKING SPACE PER UNIT.
AND, AND AS YOU WERE SAYING, DYLAN, ALL THE THINGS THAT OVERLY RESTRICTIVE UP THERE, ROOF PITCH AND LIKE THAT KIND OF STUFF, WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO ANY OF THAT.
AND I'D LIKE TO LET THEM COME UP WITH THE BEST ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN ON THAT.
WE JUST WANT THIS NICE AND SIMPLE TO SHOW PEOPLE, HEY, WE'RE OPEN TO THIS.
YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S MORE OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL THAN A MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT.
YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO, UH, OBAMA, ANY OF THE THINGS THAT'S WE'LL DO YOU THINK WE'RE MISSING ANYTHING THAT IN YOUR NOTES THAT YOU HAVEN'T FOUND IN THE OTHER CITIES OR ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAYBE THEY HADN'T ADDRESSED YET THAT YOU HAD FOR THEM? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
I THINK, I THINK WE'VE HIT ON A LOT OF THE NOTES.
MIGHT, MIGHT NEED A LITTLE MORE CLARIFICATION ON BUILDING DESIGN.
I'M HEARING THAT, UM, ROOF PITCH UNDER THE GDC, THE GENERAL REQUIREMENT THAT GDC FOR SINGLE FAMILY IS SIX, 12 AS A BASIS.
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I DON'T KNOW, THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT KIND OF STEER MORE TOWARDS SINGLE FAMILY VERSUS MULTI-FAMILY.SO DO WE WANT TO KIND OF BREAK SOME OF THAT OUT AND, UM, CAUSE THE ROOF PITCH.
THAT'S JUST PART OF THE, UM, KIND OF STANDARD SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UH, SIX 12 IS, UM, KIND OF THE BASE, WELL, ON A SMALLER SCALE, I MEAN, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE WHEN IT'S A SMALLER SCALE? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SURE.
ROOF PITCH IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT ON A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE TO A 1200 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE.
AND I'M JUST TELLING YOU, HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT IT WOULD LOOK DIFFERENT.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS WOULD BE AND I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT.
WELL, AND THERE'S ALSO SOME THINGS LIKE I'VE GOT SOME TOWNHOMES THAT ARE HOPEFULLY GOING TO GO IN AND VERY INNOVATIVE DESIGN AND THE ROOFS ARE LARGELY FLAT IS THEIR SOLAR PANELS.
AND SO THEY, THEY DON'T MEET THAT PITCH, BUT THEY ALSO ARE GOING TO GIVE THE, THE OWNERS SUPER LOW, I MEAN, TO OUR HARM, SUPER LOW POWER.
UM, SO THAT'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER ISSUE.
AND OF COURSE THAT CAN ALL, WE CAN HANDLE ALL THOSE THINGS FOR PDS, BUT, BUT I'D LIKE FOR US TO BE AS OPEN AS POSSIBLE TO BEGIN WITH LESS AS LITTLE RESTRICTION AS WE CAN.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WRITTEN OUT.
BUT YEAH, WE DEFINITELY, I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING NEW.
WE WANT TO BE OPEN TO NEW IDEAS.
AND I MEAN, I'VE EVEN SEEN, I'VE SEEN GREEN BUILDINGS WHERE THE ROOFS ARE INVERTED, YOU KNOW, V-SHAPE YEAH.
THERE'S ONE OFF OF, I'M GOING NORTH ON THE TOLLWAY, JUST NORTH OF GEORGE BUSH IN PLANO IT'S ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
WE WANT TO ADDRESS THE FENCES FENCES REQUIREMENTS OR LANCE'S, I MEAN, UM, DOES, DOES THE PARKHOUSE, THEY HAVE FENCES ON THEIRS.
THEY DID HAVE SOME PRIVATE FENCES AROUND THE UNITS.
UM, AS FAR AS ANY PERIMETER FENCING, IT JUST MET THE GENERAL, JUST KIND OF ORNAMENTAL FENCE WITH SCREENING, OR IT MAY HAVE BEEN A MASONRY WALL TO THE GDC HAS SOME OPTIONS THERE, BUT THEY DID HAVE SOME INTERNAL ONES.
UM, THEY WERE JUST CONSIDERED JUST ALLOWED THERE, THERE WASN'T REALLY RESTRICTION THAT WOULD PREVENT THEM.
UM, THE SELENA SAID THE LOUD WOODEN PRIVACY, RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THE LOUD, WITHIN THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE, WHICH MY GUESS IS THAT'S FROM THE PERIMETER ROADWAY.
UM, SO THAT WAS PROBABLY MORE OF A PERIMETER SCREENING REQUIREMENT.
THEY'RE NOT YARD SPACES MAYBE DIVIDED BY SIX FOOT.
BUT IT'S MAYBE THAT'S ALLOWED THAT JUST SPECIFIC ALLOWANCES, NOT THE ENVIRONMENT FROM RIGHT.
DO WE NEED TO MENTION THAT THIS IS FOR A SINGLE LOT ONLY AND NOT SUBDIVIDED LOTS BECAUSE I DON'T, I WOULDN'T WANT THESE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENTS TO BE ABLE TO BE SUBDIVIDED IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE YOU GET ISSUES WITH ACCESS AND UTILITY EASEMENTS AND ALL SORTS OF ISSUES.
IT CHANGES A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS.
WE CAN WORK IN SOME LANGUAGE FOR THAT.
WE NEED TO INCLUDE THE REQUIREMENT OF A PERIMETER WALL.
I MEET WITH NEW SINGLE FAMILY.
SINGLE FAMILY DOESN'T HAVE THAT.
DOES IT, BUT MULTIFAMILY REQUIRES SCREENING SINGLE FAMILY.
JUST SINGLE-FAMILY WHEN YOU GET A DIFFERENCE IN ZONING, WHEN YOU'RE GOING FROM MULTI-FAMILY TO THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT.
SINGLE FAMILY ONLY HAS IT FOR IF IT'S ALONG A THOROUGHFARE THERE'S PERIMETER SCREENING.
WELL, CENTERVILLE, THAT WHOLE THING THAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WHERE WE'RE PEOPLE DRIVING BY ON THOROUGHFARES CAN LOOK RIGHT INTO PEOPLE'S HOUSES.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE REQUIREMENT FOR THIS AS WELL SINCE WE'RE I THINK, WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING, WOULD IT BE REASONABLE TO REQUIRE THE SAME AS MULTI-FAMILY
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HAVE THAT WALL? DOES THE TRANSITION BETWEEN IT AND A SINGLE THING? I THINK SO, BECAUSE IT IS DIFFERENT AND IT WAS A DIFFERENT PRODUCT, SO I'D BE, I'D BE OKAY WITH THAT TOO.SO FOLLOW THE SAME KIND OF PERIMETER THOROUGHFARE SCREENING STANDARDS ARE AND THEN DIFFERENCES, ZONING DIFFERENCES AND THIS MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT YEP.
TO SCREEN BETWEEN THE TWO, CORRECT? YEP.
I THINK THAT COVERAGE, AT LEAST OF WHAT I HAVE IN MIND, I, I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE MR. GARRETT A CHANCE TO DRAFT SOMETHING UP AND COME BACK TO OUR NEXT MEETING AND YEAH, I'D BE GLAD TO, AND WELL, I'LL KIND OF LOOK A LITTLE MORE AT THE SINGLE FAMILY DESIGN STANDARDS.
THERE MAY BE SOME THAT I THINK ARE PROBABLY PRETTY EASY TO MEET, LIKE THE ARCHITECTURAL, UM, THERE'S KIND OF A SHORTLIST OF ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, ARTICULATION, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT AREN'T, AREN'T TOO DIFFICULT TO MEET, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT ROOF PITCH OR PULL THAT OUT, UM, I'LL, THAT'LL GIVE ME A CHANCE TO KIND OF LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE MORE.
THESE ARE THE URBAN LAND, URBAN LAND INSTITUTE CALLS THESE HORIZONTAL MULTI-FAMILY DETACHED H M FDS.
SO AFTER A WHILE I DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB WITH THAT.
SO DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER AARON AND SEE IF HE HAS A MR. FARRON MIGHT HAVE A SUGGESTION.
SO DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION THEN ON THIS TOPIC OR JUST WAIT FOR NEXT MEETING TO SEE WHAT WE COME THEN WE CAN ADD TO SUBTRACT OR EDIT THAT VERSION? I WOULD ALSO LIKE, JUST, JUST BECAUSE, UM, IF YOU CAN, WELL, BRING THESE WHAT WE ACTUALLY PASS WITH PARKHOUSE.
I JUST LIKE TO REVIEW THAT WASN'T ONE I WORKED INTIMATELY WITH IN MY OWN DISTRICT AND DON'T HAVE IT CLEAR IN MY HEAD.
I'D JUST LIKE TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT WE AS A COUNCIL DECIDED ON.
IN MY HEAD, I JUST KNOW WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.
I JUST REMEMBER THE PRETTY PICTURES.
SO IF THERE'S ANOTHER DISCUSSION THEN ON THIS TOPIC, OUR NEXT ITEM IS ADJOURN UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING.
THE DEVELOPMENT SEARCH COMMITTEE IS ADJOURNED.
THE PROJECT, AT LEAST THE ARCHITECTURE THEY SHOWED US.