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THESE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS

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HAVE BEEN HIGHLY UNUSUAL.

THEY HAVE A SPECIAL WELCOME FOR A NEW BOARD MEMBERS THIS EVENING.

WE HAVE CAITLIN WELCOME KAITLIN.

WE HAVE MISS VALE, MS. BAILEY WELCOME.

AND NOT ONLY WE'RE DOING THIS TRAINING SESSION THIS EVENING, NOT ONLY FOR, FOR A NEW MEMBERS, BUT ALSO AS A REFRESHER FOR, FOR THOSE OF US WHO'VE BEEN HERE FOR AWHILE.

IT'S BEEN, UH, IT'S BEEN, WE'RE GOING THROUGH SOME UNUSUAL TIMES WHAT OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

SO THIS IS A GOOD REFRESHER TIME FOR ALL OF US TO GET REACCLIMATED, UH, FOR, FOR OUR MEETINGS.

AND ON THAT NOTE, UM, RICK, I'M GOING TO THE NEXT, IT GOES TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.

WE HAVE THE SWEARING OF AN ANT AND THE REAPPOINTMENT OF NEW BOARD MEMBERS.

I'M GOING TO LET MISS, UH, MR. KIRK TAKE CARE OF, BECAUSE I WAS TOLD NOT TO DO ANY, I NEEDED KURT.

OKAY.

UH, SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE HAVE ALL, OR YOU OFTEN HAVE A DOCUMENT THERE THAT YOU NEED TO FIND.

I'M GOING TO DO IT A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

I'M NOT GOING TO DO THE READ AFTER ME.

I'M JUST GOING TO ASK YOU TO AFFIRM AT THE END OF THIS.

SO IF YOU'LL ALL TURN TO THOSE OFFICE TO SAY, YOU SEE WHAT WE DO, AND THEN IT ALL MORE MEMBERS, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE, EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF PROPERTY STANDARDS BOARD AT THE CITY OF GARLAND, AND WE'LL DO TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF THIS STATE.

SO HELP YOU GOD.

OKAY.

SO RICK, DID WE NEED TO EACH SIGN THESE FORMS AND BEEN ALIGNED BEFORE, CORRECT? UH, YES.

THAT IS CORRECT.

IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE A DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF YOU TO SIGN, WE WILL NEED YOU TO GET YOU TO SIGN THAT BEFORE YOU LEAVE TONIGHT.

SO WE CAN GET THAT IN OUR FILES.

DOES EVERYONE HAVE THE FORM IN FRONT OF THIS? ANYONE DOES NOT HAVE THE FORM.

IT DOES HAVE THE FORM FOR, FOR US TO SIGN.

OKAY.

MOVING ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA.

AGENDA ITEM, NUMBER THREE, BOARD CERTIFICATIONS.

OKAY.

AS, AS CUSTOMARY, WE, AS BOARD MEMBERS ARE REQUIRED TO TAKE, UH, TO BE CERTIFIED IN TAKING CERTAIN TRAININGS REQUIREMENTS.

UM, SOME THOSE TRAINING REQUIREMENTS ARE THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT AND THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT IN REGARDS TO REQUIRED TRAININGS TO BE, TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD.

UM, I'M LOOKING AT A CHART AND MATRIX HERE.

WE, UH, I BELIEVE EVERYBODY'S UP TO THEM.

WE ARE UP TO EVERYBODY IS UP TO DATE IN REGARDS TO THE REQUIRED TRAINING.

SO CALEB AND MS. VAIL, YOU, YOU HAVE COMPLETED THE REQUIRED TRAINING ON THE OPENS MEETINGS AND TRAINING AND THE PUBLIC INFORMATION HAD CORRECT? CORRECT? YES.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO EVERYONE IS UP TO DATE ON THE REQUIRED TRAINING.

AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THOSE TRAINING, OR THIS HAS TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, SPEAK YOUR MIND IN REGARDS TO THEIR TRAINING, OR JUST TO RECONFIRM WHAT YOU HAD BEEN TRYING TO ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? NOT AT ALL.

OKAY.

I HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD.

I'M SORRY.

THERE, THERE ARE TWO PEOPLE THAT NEED THEIR DISCLOSURE FORM.

UM, AND I PUT IT ON 50 THERE FOR YOU TO FILL OUT.

I THINK IT SHOWS ON THE LINK.

I THINK IT'S MORE THE, YEAH.

AND WE HAVE SOMEONE ELSE WHO HAS, WAS A MISS.

MS. BAILEY.

DID YOU, DID YOU FILL OUT THAT DISCLOSURE TO COMPLETE THE CORE? OH, THIS FARM DISCLOSURE FORM.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

YEAH.

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OKAY.

MOVING ON TO THE NEXT, UH, AGENDA ITEM, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, ONCE A YEAR IS THE ACCORDING TO PROPER PROPER POLICY AND PROCEDURES.

THIS BOARD ONCE A YEAR GOES THROUGH AND SELECT, UM, IT'S CHAIR AND CHAIR PERSON AND VICE CHAIR.

SO WE'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH THE EXERCISE OF GOING THROUGH AND HAVING NOMINATIONS FOR THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.

AND AT THIS MOMENT LESS, IS THERE ANY NOMINATION ON THE, ON THE FLOOR FOR, FOR THE CHAIRMAN CHAIRMAN OF THIS BOARD? IS THERE ANY NOMINATION? WELL, MS. MR. MR. SPENCER NOMINATE DAVID ONE.

UM, YES.

OKAY.

WE HAVE A NOMINATION ON THE FOURTH OF DAVID PEARS THAT A SECOND.

OKAY.

ALL IN FAVOR.

SHOW OF HANDS, RAISE OF HANDS ALL IN FAVOR.

ALL RIGHT.

THE, UH, THE BOATS HAVE PASSION AND MS. I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE FOR, FOR HAVING CONFIDENCE IN ME IN REGARDS TO, UH, LEADING THIS, LEAVING THIS BOARD AT THIS PRESENT TIME.

I KNEW MR. LONG.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NOW, IS THERE A NOMINATION ON THE FOURTH, THE VICE CHAIR.

IS THERE A NOMINATION ON THE FLOOR, PLEASE DO NOT BE SHOCKED.

MR. SPENCER, WE HAVE A NOMINATION FOR VICKY TO BE VICE CHAIR.

SO WE HAVE A SECOND BY MR. LONG, ALL IN FAVOR.

RAISE OF HAND, SHOW OF HANDS.

THIS ONE LINE LANDER FRONT, RIGHT DISTRICT THREE.

KIMBERLY, CONGRATULATIONS AS THE VICE CHAIR.

ALRIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO ON THAT NOTE, NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, THE TRAINING TRAINING ON THE USE OF EQUIPMENT.

I KNOW THAT SINCE THE LAST TIME WE CONVENED HERE IN THE, IN THE CITY HALL CHAMBERS, WE HAD THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE HAVING BEFORE US HAD BEEN UPGRADED.

AND THAT NOW WE SEE WHERE OUR TAX MONEY IS GOING.

RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

I'M GOING TO LET THE TRAINING TEAM MEMBERS TAKE IT AWAY FOR US GETTING US ACCLIMATED TO THIS, THIS MODERN TECHNOLOGY, THAT, THAT LINE BEFORE US.

OKAY.

MR. CHAIRMAN, AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO LILY AND LET HER GO OVER THE EQUIPMENT AND TRAIN, TRAIN US ON THAT.

HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE WITH THE, HAVE DONE THE HERE, UM, BASICALLY IS A FOREST.

IF YOU'RE MEETING TO SPEAK, THERE IS A BUTTON THERE ON YOUR SCREEN.

THEY DO CONFER LANCE, THE RTS, MIKE, AND THE LIFT RIGHT THERE.

IF YOU GET THAT THOUGH, THEY'LL PUT YOU IN A QUEUE, BASICALLY THE, TO SPEAK, AND THEN I'M GOING TO THE CHAIRMAN AND THEN SHE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE ON HIS SCREEN.

NOT, NOT UNTIL YOU RAISE A BOAT, BASICALLY.

WE'LL TELL YOU WHO'S QUEUED UP TO SPEAK HERE.

AND THEN WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, IF, IF YOU TOUCH IT, THAT'D BE MR. SPENCER, CORRECT.

AND THEN YOU CAN TURN IT OFF YOURSELF.

UH, IF YOU HIT THE SAME BUTTON AGAIN, IT'LL TURN IT OFF OR OKAY.

WE'LL TRY AND SEE THE DARKER BLUE BUTTON HERE.

OKAY.

DO YOU EVER WANT TO SPEAK, THAT'S REQUEST TO SPEAK BUTTON PUSH THAT WILL SEND A MESSAGE TO MR. PERRY AND YOU'RE IN THE QUEUE TO SPEAK.

YOU CAN'T SPEAK UNTIL IT ACKNOWLEDGES YOU.

COME ON.

UM, ELECTRONIC RAISING OF THE HAND.

WOULD YOU ACKNOWLEDGE? SHE ACKNOWLEDGED IN YOUR MIND.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, MR. .

UH, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT MAYBE HERE.

I THINK IT SAYS THE, YES,

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IT SAYS RECOGNIZE.

AND THEN ABOVE THAT IT SAYS SPEAKER NAME.

OH, WELL, LET'S SEE.

AND SO THAT IS, THAT BRINGS UP A CONFUSING POINT WHERE IT SAYS, RECOGNIZE IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES, RIGHT? THERE'S A, THERE'S A SPEAKER BOX.

AND THAT'S FOR FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT HAVE FILLED OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND THEY'RE IN THE QUEUE TO SPEAK.

BUT AS A BOARD MEMBER, YOURS WILL BE AT THE, AT THE TOP THERE ON THAT OTHER WINDOW THAT I CAN'T SEE, BUT MAYBE LANCE CAN POINT OUT TO HIM.

THEN HE MUST BE TALKING ABOUT THIS.

NO, NO, YOU'RE FINE.

THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN ALL GO BACK.

UM, THROW UP ON THERE.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT LIKE A NEW FEATURE UNTIL WE HAVE A LIVE ONE.

SO THIS, THIS SCREEN UP HERE, PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE QUEUE.

AWESOME.

THE CABLE CHANNEL THERE AS FAR AS THE SAME AREA IN THE SAME BOX, DOWN IN BOTTLENECK CORNER, YOU HAVE TO MAKE MOTION THINGS THAT ARE HERE.

HAVEN'T PREVIOUSLY BEEN ON THERE, BUT NOT QUITE AS, UH, THERE IS A MOTION.

SECOND DEBATE MOTION.

WE GOT THOSE AS WELL DOWN HERE, SPEAKING FROM THE AUDIENCE WHERE I MEAN, THEY CAN'T MAKE THEIR MOTION.

DO ME A FAVOR.

MAKE A MOTION TO MAKE A MOTION.

YES.

MA'AM.

I DON'T THINK UNTIL WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS IS, OH, IT DOESN'T SHOW, BUT WHEN SHE HIT, CAN YOU SEND AN ITEM TO VOTE ON THE BOARD? AND SHE HITS IT, MAKE MAKING THE MOTION.

I DIDN'T HAVE TO GO.

THE CHAIRMAN MAKES A CALL TO THE FLOOR TO MAKE, MAKE A MOTION, OR LET'S SAY SHE'S THE FIRST ONE.

THE KIDS, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? SHE WOULD SHOW UP IN THE QUEUE.

I KNOW FOR SURE.

ON THE SPRING HERE, LIKE WE DID BEFORE, BUT IT SHOULD SHOW UP HERE RIGHT HERE.

YEAH.

EVEN FOR THE CASE.

OKAY.

SO WHEN WE LOADED IT, NOW THAT I SEE IT, IT SHOWS THAT IT WAS ACTIVE.

OKAY.

SO WE WON'T BE ABLE TO PRACTICE VOTING TONIGHT.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU CLEAR THE VOTE? NO.

OKAY.

IF WE CAN'T DO IT TONIGHT, WE CAN DO IT.

WE CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT VERSION.

YEAH.

AND WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT I HELP YOU OUT WITH THE FIRST BOAT, WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY HAVE LIKE A LIFE PACE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UM, SHOW Y'ALL, BUT IT'S PRETTY MUCH SIMILAR.

LIKE IT WAS LAST TIME YOU COULD SEE IT, BUT NOW IN THIS SCREEN YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT.

YEAH.

THAT'S AWESOME.

IF IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT BOTHERED AS WELL.

THAT'D BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT IT BE DIFFICULT TO DO THAT.

BUT IT DEPENDS AT ONCE WE PUT A LIVE CASE, IT'LL, IT'LL BE REAL SIMPLE FOR YOU TO SEE.

AND IF SOMEONE MESSES UP, IT'S REALLY HARD WITH THE TEXT.

IS EVERYONE COMFORTABLE? EXCUSE ME, CUT THE MIC ON.

I WOULDN'T HAVE, IF I GOT THE MIC ON, IS EVERYONE COMFORTABLE WITH THE, UH, USING THE EQUIPMENT

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I'M IN THE QUEUE? I HAVEN'T BEEN RECOGNIZED.

SORRY, VICE CHAIR.

SO RECOGNIZING YES MA'AM OKAY.

I JUST HAD A SILLY QUESTION ON YOUR SCREEN AT THE BOTTOM, RIGHT? IT SAYS BLANK.

G U WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? GRAPHICAL, GRAPHICAL USER INTERFACES.

GUI.

SO IT'S BLIGHT.

GUI IS PROBABLY ITS SET UP AND THIS MEANS NOTHING TO US.

YES.

THANK YOU.

I'M JUST IMPRESSED.

AND I REMEMBERED WHAT G YOU ALLIES BACK FROM THE DAY, YOU COULD HAVE MADE UP ANY OF THAT WITH GRAPHICAL USER INTERFACE.

AND SO I'M SURE THAT'S THE FORM THAT THEY'RE USING OR WHATEVER THE BASIS IS THAT THEY'RE BUILDING WITH INTERFACE FOR IT.

OKAY.

GOOD QUESTION, VICKY.

I TELL YOU DOING A FINE JOB IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO, UH, THE SOFTWARE AND EQUIPMENT THAT LIE BEFORE US.

ANY MORE QUESTION, DALE? YOU'RE QUIET.

YOU'RE GOOD.

I'M GOOD.

I GOT ONE MONTH.

SIX BUTTONS.

I'M GOOD.

MR. BARBARA.

UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING TO NOT, OBVIOUSLY WE WERE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU THE TRAINING ON THE VOTING PROCEDURE.

WE JUST LEARNED GETTING HERE THIS AFTERNOON UNTIL WE GET A LOT CASE UPLOADED INTO THE AGENDA.

WE'LL NOT BE ABLE TO SHOW HOW TO VOTE.

WE'LL DO THAT IN THE PRE MEETING OF OUR NEXT MEETING, JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND HOW TO VOTE, GO THROUGH THAT PROCEDURE.

UH, TONIGHT MAINLY.

SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO WALK AWAY FROM TONIGHT IS BE ABLE TO KNOW HOW TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE WANT TO SPEAK AND THEN BE ACKNOWLEDGED TO SPEAK.

AND THEN ALWAYS THE KEY IS TO REMEMBER IS TO MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON BECAUSE THESE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED.

IF YOUR MOCK IS NOT ON IT'S, IT DOESN'T PICK UP YOUR VOICE VERY WELL.

SO JUST, JUST TRY TO REMEMBER, TO MAKE SURE WHEN YOU'RE ACKNOWLEDGED TO SPEAK THAT YOUR MIC IS ON.

OKAY.

SO HOW OFTEN DO CITIZENS COME BACK AND SAY, I WANT TO LISTEN TO THE RECORDING.

DOES THAT EVER HAPPEN? WELL, AND I, LILY MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION BETTER, BUT, UH, I KNOW THAT MOST OF THE MEETINGS THAT, UH, THE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED AND THEY'RE AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE.

OKAY.

THEY JUST RECENTLY MADE A CHANGE WHERE, I MEAN, THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN AVAILABLE IF THEY REQUESTED, I PERSONALLY FOR THIS MEETING HAVE NOT HAD A REQUEST FOR IT.

UM, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.

UH, THEY MADE HER CHANGE THE WORLD.

WE AUTOMATICALLY UPLOADED NOW ON THE WEBSITE.

SO IT IS OUT THERE IF THEY START BEFORE.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE USING? ANY MORE QUESTIONS AND JUST LIKE, JUST TO REITERATE WHAT MS. MR. BARKER SAID, WE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A MOCK CASE AT THE NEXT PRE MEETING AT THE SCHEDULED IN JANUARY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

MOVING ONTO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.

THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IN THE PRE MEETING IS THE FORWARD ORIENTATION.

KURT OKAY.

UM, I'M JUST GOING TO QUICKLY GO OVER A LOT.

MOST OF Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR A WHILE AND KIND OF KNOW WHAT WE DO AND WHY WE DO IT, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S GOOD TO BE REMINDED EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.

SO I'VE BEEN ASKED TO REMIND Y'ALL AND LET THE NEW ONES ON THE BOARD.

AND NOW WHAT WE, WHAT WE'RE UP TO AROUND HERE.

OKAY.

FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS A PROPERTY STANDARDS.

BOARD IS THE OFFICIAL TITLE.

UH, SOME OTHER CITIES CALL IT THE HOUSING STANDARDS BOARD.

UH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT NAMES THEY CAN USE, BUT BASICALLY IT'S YOUR, WHAT THEY CALL A QUASI JUDICIAL BOARD AND BEING YOUR SOME POINT JUDICIAL, ALTHOUGH NOT COMPLETELY YOUR JUDICIAL ANALYSIS, DO YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DECIDE CONTROVERSIES? JUST LIKE A JUDGE MIGHT HEAR A CASE AND DETERMINE

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THE WINNER.

YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO HEAR EVIDENCE AND Y'ALL ARE GONNA MAKE A DETERMINATION ON WHAT POSSIBLE REMEDY MIGHT HAPPEN.

UH, YOUR QUASI, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT CORPORAL, YOU MAY BE LIKE A COURT OF LAW, BUT YOU'RE NOT A COURT OF LAW.

YOU'RE AN ADMINISTRATIVE BODY CREATED BY LEGISLATURE, SUBJECT TO THE REGULATION OF BELIEFS.

YOU HAVE CERTAIN POWERS AND AUTHORITIES, UH, DERIVE FROM SEVERAL SOURCES, INCLUDING CITY ORDINANCE, CITY CHARTER, AND STATE LAW.

AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THAT SHIT IS HOUSING STANDARD BOARD OR URBAN REBATE, REHABILITATION STANDARDS, BOARD.

UH, THESE ARE ALL THE SAME THING.

SO IF YOU HEAR SOME OTHER CITIES THAT MAY CALL IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT, UH, BUT NEARLY EVERY CITY OF ANY SIZE HAS A SIMILAR BOARD TO THIS.

UH, YOU HAVE JURISDICTION, BUT HEAR CASES CONCERNING ALLEGED VIOLATIONS OF CITY ORDINANCES, THESE ARE GONNA BE BROUGHT, UH, OR THE WAY WE HANDLE IT, UH, UH, BROUGHT BY THE CODE DEPARTMENT CODE ENFORCEMENT WILL BRING THEM THE CASES TO THE BOARD, UH, FOR THE PRESENTATION OF PUBLIC SAFETY PRESERVATION AND PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, RELATING TO, UH, MATERIALS OR METHODS.

YOU JUST CONSTRUCTION, BASICALLY SUBSTANDARD CONSTRUCTION HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN DAMAGED IN SOME WAY.

YOU'LL GET A LOT OF, UH, WHEN THE TORNADO CAME THROUGH A FEW YEARS AGO, WE HAD WHOLE LOT OF THOSE.

UH, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF FIRE CASES WITH WHERE THEY'VE BEEN BURNED OUT AND ABANDONED.

SOMETIMES WE'VE JUST ABANDONED AND DERELICT.

UH, ALSO HEAR THINGS RELATING TO FIRE SAFETY OF THE BILL, YOUR IMPROVEMENT.

WE DON'T GET A LOT OF THOSE, UH, FIRE MARSHAL PRETTY MUCH STAYS ON PEOPLE FOR THAT, BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOME TIMES WHEN THE FIRE SAFETY ISSUE WOULD COME UP AND YOU WOULD HAVE THE POWER TO HEAR THAT DANGEROUSLY DAMAGED OR DETERIORATED BUILDINGS.

THAT'S THE FIRE DAMAGE, TORNADO DAMAGE.

UM, YOU HAVE THE JURISDICTION TO REQUIRE THE VACATION RELOCATION OR, OR OF OCCUPANTS SHOULD SAY OF OCCUPANTS SECURING REPAIR REMOVAL OR DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING, THIS DILAPIDATED SUBSTANDARD, AND WHICH IS HAZARD TO PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE.

UH, BASICALLY YOU CAN TELL PEOPLE TO GET OUT OF THE HOUSE IF IT'S DANGEROUS.

UH, YOU CAN TELL THE PEOPLE THAT NEED TO MOVE.

UH, YOU CAN MAKE PEOPLE SECURE THE HOUSE, SAY IT'S A VACANT HOUSE.

YOU CAN ORDER THEM TO SECURE THE HOUSE, COVER THE WINDOWS, SECURITY, THE DOORS, THAT TYPE OF THING YOU CAN ORDER REPAIRS TO BE MADE.

UH, USUALLY UNDER THREAT OF DEMOLITION AND REPAIRS.

DON'T AGAIN, MAYBE WE'LL SEE MORE GUYS BECAUSE WE GO THROUGH THIS AND ULTIMATELY YOU CAN ORDER THE DEMOLITION OF THE HOUSE.

UH, IF THAT IS IN THE PUBLIC, SAY PUBLIC INTEREST IN THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC, UH, YOU EXERCISE ANY OTHER POWERS OF AUTHORITY CONFERRED UPON THE BOARD BYLAW OR ORDINANCE.

UH, THESE PRETTY MUCH WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY THING ADDED TO WHAT POWERS YOU ALREADY HAD BY LAW.

UH, AND AGAIN, YOU MAY ORDER THE REPAIR WITHIN A FIXED PERIOD OF BUILDINGS, FAMILY, THE INVALIDATION OF ORDINANCE, AND DECLARED A BUILDING TO BE SUBSTANDARD OR TO THE REMOVAL OF PERSONS OR PROPERTY FOUND ON THE PROPERTY.

WELL, BASICALLY A LOT OF TIMES YOU'RE GOING TO GET, WE'LL CONTINUE THROUGH THIS.

AND THEN WE'LL KIND OF EXPLAIN, UH, MAY ISSUE THAT THE PEACE OFFICERS CARRY OUT LAWFUL ORDERS.

UH, THE ORDERS OF THE BOARD OF DO CARRY THE FORCE IN THE WAY OF LAW.

SO IF, SAY FOR INSTANCE, SOMEBODY IN A DERELICT BUILDING, UH, YOU CAN ORDER THAT THEY GET OUT OF THE BUILDING AND, AND IF NECESSARY, THE POLICE REMOVE THOSE PEOPLE FROM THE BUILDING, YOU CAN DETERMINE A VIOLATION AND DURATION, CIVIL PENALTIES UP TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS A DAY FOR COMMERCIAL AND A HUNDRED DOLLARS A DAY FOR RESIDENTIAL.

UH, GENERALLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE WHEN THEY BRING A CASE TO THE BOARD IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HOUSE OR A BUILDING THAT IS SUBSTANDARD IN SOME WAY.

AND, UH, YOU'LL GET A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF.

I USUALLY SHOUT ON THEM PRESENT.

YOU RECOMMEND THE VIEW RECOMMENDATION.

AND USUALLY THE RECOMMENDATION WILL CARRY SOMETHING LIKE GIVE THEM AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF TIME TO TRY TO GET THE BUILDING BACK UP TO STANDARD.

AND IF THEY DON'T DO IT WITHIN THAT TIME, THEN FINE START TO SET IN.

AND THEN IF THEY STILL WILL GET THE BE MORE TIME, UH, THEN THEY'LL MOVE ON TO THE POSSIBILITY TO DEMOLITION.

BUT GENERALLY YOU CAN, YOU CAN, ALL OF THOSE ARE WITHIN YOUR POWER AND YOU CAN DO IT ALL IN ONE TIME.

YOU CAN SAY, YOU GOT THIS LONG, YOU GET IT FIXED.

IF YOU DON'T FIX IT, WE'RE GOING TO FIX IT.

IF WE GOT TO FIX IT, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO FIND YOU.

AND IF IT DOESN'T GET FIXED IN THE END, WE'RE GOING TO TEAR IT DOWN.

YOU CAN DO THIS ALL IN ONE FELL SWOOP, PUT A TIMELINE, AND THEN THAT THEN THE ENFORCEMENT WILL COME BASED ON THAT SINGLE BORDER.

AND THEY'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND HEAR THE CASE AGAIN AND SAY, OKAY, NOW WE'RE GOING TO FIND THEM.

NOW WE'RE GOING

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TO DEMOLISH.

YOU CAN DO THAT ALL AT ONCE.

AND USUALLY THOSE WILL BE INFORMED RECOMMENDATIONS FROM, UH, THE STAFF, UH, PROPER STANDARD WARD IS A CREATION OF LAW.

AND BECAUSE OF THIS, YOU'RE, UH, YOU'RE CONFINED TO THE PURCHASE OF THE AUTHORITY OF THE BOARD AND SET OUT IN THOSE STATUTES AND ORDINANCES.

SO WE ARE LIMITED IN WHAT WE CAN DO.

WE CAN'T DO EVERYTHING WE WANT.

AND SO WE HAVE TO DO TO FOLLOW THE RESTRICTIONS OF THE LAW, UH, LIMITED SUBJECT, MATTER OF WHAT WE CAN HEAR, CAN'T HEAR EVERYTHING, UH, HAD LIMITED NOW, UH, OPEN RECORDS, WE'RE LIMITED TO WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA AND WHAT'S RELEVANT TO WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA.

WE CAN'T JUST COME IN FOR INSTANCE, SAY ON THE WAY, AND I NOTICED THE PLACE FALLING DOWN AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.

WE CAN'T DO THAT.

WE'RE SUBJECT TO OPEN RECORDS, OPEN MEETINGS, REC UH, REQUIREMENTS.

AND SO WE CAN'T JUST WANDER INTO WHAT WE WANT TO, IT HAS TO BE POSTED.

UM, NOW YOU'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM STAFF ABOUT ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT STAFF AND, AND THE WITNESS WITNESSES, UH, MAYBE THE HOMEOWNERS AT TIMES, UH, BUT YOU'RE LIMITED INTO THREE GENERAL AREAS.

AND THAT'S ONE IS WHERE THE PROPER NOTICE WAS GIVEN TO THE PERSON WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY, UH, WHETHER OR NOT ALATION EXISTS ON THE PROPERTY AND WHAT THE PROPER REMEDY IS FOR THE VIOLATION.

WHAT KIND OF TALK QUICKLY ABOUT THESE, UH, NOTICE, UH, GENTLEMEN, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, WHEN WE SAY NOTICE, UH, IS NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD, IT'S A DUE PROCESS MATTER.

WE WANT TO AFFORD THE PEOPLE DUE PROCESS.

SO NOTICE THAT THEY CAN COME TO, TO THE HEARING AND TELL YOU THEIR SIDE OF THE STORY IS BASICALLY WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING.

UH, WE WANT NOTICE TO THE RECORD OWNER, ANYBODY OWNS LANES, UH, STAFF DOES SPEND A LOT OF TIME MAKING SURE WE GET, AS MANY PEOPLE NOTICED THAT MIGHT HAVE AN INTEREST IN THESE PROPERTIES.

WE NOTIFY BANKS THAT HAVE A LIEN.

WE NOTIFY PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE HAD A WORKMAN'S LIEN ON IT.

UH, WE, IF ANYBODY MIGHT HAVE A RELATIONSHIP TO THE PROPERTY, WE WON'T NOTICE THEM BECAUSE WE WANT TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD BECAUSE WE'RE MORE INTERESTED IN COMPLIANCE THAN TEARING PLACE.

IN DOUBT, WE WANT PEOPLE TO FIX IT.

IF WE DON'T KNOW, THE PEOPLE WILL POST IT IN THE NEWSPAPER.

AND OF COURSE WE'LL ALSO POST, UH, PUBLIC MEETINGS.

AND THEN BILL WE'LL DEAL WITH, UH, POLICE PROPERTIES.

WE HAVE, UH, THERE IS, WE GO ABOVE AND BEYOND AS FAR AS PROVIDING NOTICE, UH, BASICALLY THE STATE LAW SAYS WE HAVE TO DO DILIGENCE, UH, TO FIND THE OWNERS.

A LOT OF TIMES, WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IS WE JUST HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE WHO THE, WHO THE RECORD PROPERTY OWNER IS ACCORDING TO PROPERTY RECORDS, BUT WE DO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU WE'VE DONE WHAT WE CAN.

IT'S TIME PEOPLE BY THE TIME WE SEND NOTICE AGAIN, UH, MESS WITH REPRIEVE OF RECEIPT OF NOTICE.

THIS COMES UP A LOT.

UH, AND WE'LL JUST ANSWER THIS QUESTION RIGHT OFF THE BAT, BECAUSE I THINK NEARLY EVERY YEAR, AT LEAST ONCE THIS COMES UP, UH, DO WE HAVE TO SHOW THAT THE PEOPLE ACTUALLY RECEIVED NOTICE? AND THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE NOTICE TO THE RECORD ADDRESS.

UH, AND YOU'LL SEE, I THINK AS WE GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE CASES EARLY ON, YOU'LL SEE MOST OF THE TIME WE WILL NOT ONLY SEND NOTICE TO THE OWNERS, UH, BY MAIL.

UH, WE WILL ALSO POST NOTICE ON THE PROPERTY AND TAKE ANY OTHER STEPS THAT WE THINK ARE REASONABLE TO GET, GET THESE PEOPLE NOTICE.

UH, AND AGAIN, THIS IS BECAUSE WE'RE MORE INTERESTED IN GETTING THE PROPERTY UP TO SPEED.

WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN TEARING PEOPLE'S PLACES DOWN.

UH, AND AGAIN, THE, THE LONGER ANSWER IS, UH, ALL WE ADDED, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS SEND A NOTICE IN ACCORDANCE BY THE MAIL TO THE RECORD OWNER, UH, THROUGH THE US POSTAL SERVICE.

AND EVEN IF THAT NOTICE IS RETURNED TO THE REFUSED OR UNCLAIMED IT'S, IT'S STILL EFFECTIVE NOTICE.

UH, NOW A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL SEND THEM BOTH, UH, UH, CERTIFIED MAIL AND REGULAR MAIL BECAUSE SOMETIMES SHE WON'T PICK UP CERTIFIED MAIL, THEY STILL GET THE THEY'LL STILL GET THE FIRST-CLASS MAIL DELIVERED TO THEIR BOX.

UH, IT'S USUALLY NOT AN ISSUE.

LIKE I SAID, WE, OUR STAFF OVER AT CODE DOES A GREAT JOB OF GIVING PEOPLE NOTICE.

CAUSE AGAIN, THEY RE AND USUALLY BY THE TIME THEY HAVE GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE COMING TO Y'ALL, THEY'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THESE PEOPLE FOR YEARS.

SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES IT'S SIX MONTHS, BUT I MEAN, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE BEEN TOLD THEIR PROPERTY HAS AN ISSUE.

SO USUALLY WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND WHERE THEY ARE.

AND AGAIN, NOTICE WHAT NOTICE THAT THE HEARING, UH, IT'S NOT REQUIRED THAT WE GIVE A NO NOTICE OF VIOLATION OF WHAT THE, WHAT THE VIOLATION IS

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JUST THEY THEY'RE.

THEY GET NOTICED THAT THEY HAVE A HEARING AND THEY CAN COME IN AND PRESENT THEIR SIDE OF THE CASE, THE VIOLATION, UH, Y BASICALLY YOU'RE LIKE THE JUDGES, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR THE WITNESSES.

YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR THE EVIDENCE.

AND THEN YOU MAKE A DETERMINATION.

YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM A GRADE EITHER.

THEY HAVE PRESENTED ENOUGH THAT YOU THINK THAT, THAT THERE IS A VIOLATION, OR THEY HAVE A, YOU'RE NOT JUST YOUR RUBBER STAMP.

NOW YOU GOTTA BE REAL CAREFUL.

UH, WHEN ASKING THE QUESTIONS, THEY'LL PRESENT EVIDENCE, UH, STAY ON, ON TOPIC.

WHETHER THERE'S A VIOLATION, A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S GOING TO WANT TO BE.

I MEAN, BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU JUST GET CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY WHO, YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR THEY'VE BEEN GOING AFTER IT FOR THREE YEARS.

AND WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW IS WHY HAVE YOU NOT DONE ANYTHING YET? UH, THAT'S NOT REALLY AN ISSUE.

WHAT'S AN ISSUE.

IS, IS THERE A VIOLATION NOW? YOU CAN'T ASK THEM WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IF THEY OPENED THAT DOOR AND SAY, WELL, WE WE'RE WORKING ON IT.

YOU CAN SAY, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? BUT, UH, AVOID THE TEMPTATION TO KIND OF SCOLD THEM FOR NOT GETTING IT DONE QUICKER, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WOULD WANT SITTING IN YOUR CHAIR, FOR INSTANCE, IN VIOLATION, YOU ASKED ME, HOW DO YOU KNOW THE ROOF LEAKS? YO STAFF WOULD GET UP AND SAY, THEY'VE GOT A LEAKY ROOF.

SOMETIMES MOST OF THE TIME, IF THEY'RE GOING TO TELL YOU THERE'S A LEAKY ROOF, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE PICTURES OF BELIEVE.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE PICTURES OF THE ROOF OF THE CEILING, WHERE THE WATER IS COMING IN.

BUT IF THEY DON'T PRESENT IT, ASK THEM, UH, AND YOU CAN ASK, WHY DO YOU THINK THIS HAS HAZARD? WHAT IS IT THAT MAKES THIS HAZARDOUS? THESE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS YOU CAN ASK.

DON'T ASK.

YEAH.

WELL, I SAW A SWIMMING POOL IN THE PICTURE.

WHAT, WHAT ARE Y'ALL DOING ABOUT THAT? OR IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? FAIL, PRESENT A PROBLEM.

UH, YOU CAN'T, YOU DON'T WANT TO GO WANDER ENOUGH INTO THE NEW PROBLEM, STICK WITH THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE PRESENTED AND THE VIOLATIONS THAT ARE PRESENTED.

AND AGAIN, WHAT MIGHT YOU DO? ANYTHING ELSE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? UH, WE HAD THIS COMMON LAW.

I BLOCKED THE TORNADO TOP.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE, OH, WELL, THAT'S OVER IN THAT AREA.

HAVE YOU BEEN WHAT'D THE OTHER HOUSES LOOK LIKE ON THAT STREET? THAT'S, THAT'S NOT RELEVANT TO WHETHER THERE'S A VIOLATION ON THIS PROPERTY, STICK WITH THIS PROPERTY.

AND THEN OF COURSE THE REMEDY REMEDY IS UP TO YOU AND ONLY YOU STAFF WILL PRESENT A RECOMMENDATION.

YOU CAN RELY ON THEIR KNOWLEDGE, THEIR EXPERTISE, AND JUST FOR ALL WITH THAT GUY, BUT Y'ALL ARE FREE TO CRAFT.

WHATEVER REMEDY Y'ALL THINK IS FAIR ON THE SITUATION, YOU MAY WANT TO GIVE HIM MORE TIME.

YOU MAY THINK THEY DESERVE LAST TIME.

YOU MAY WANT TO GIVE HIGHER FINES.

YOU MAY WANT TO GIVE LOWER FINES.

THIS IS UP TO Y'ALL Y'ALL DON'T.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO JUST RUBBER STAMP.

WHAT STAFF SAYS DELL IS LIVING AT WHEN I SAY THAT IT'S SO THERE ARE TIMES WHEN YOU MAKE A SIDE, YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

MAYBE YOU HEAR EVIDENCE FROM THE HOMEOWNER COMES IN AND HAS A REASONABLE EXPLANATION FOR WHY THEY NEED MORE TIME.

YOU'RE FREE THAT WE GIVE A LOT OF PEOPLE MORE TIME.

IN FACT, THAT'S USUALLY MR. PERRY, HIS QUESTION IS HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK YOU NEED TO GET THE REMEDY THIS? AND ONLY ABOUT A THIRD OF THEM PICK UP ON THE FACT THAT HE'S GIVEN HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK FOR MORE, BUT IT'S ALWAYS, I ALWAYS SEEM TO THINK, OKAY.

HE THINKS THAT WE AREN'T GIVING THEM ENOUGH, OR AT LEAST YOU WANT TO HEAR IF THEY THINK IT'S REASONABLE, THEY JUST DON'T PICK UP ON WHY IS THIS STUCK HERE? I BROKE IT.

OH, NO.

OR ONE OF LIKES THE COWBOY GAMES.

SO WE TOOK THE LINE.

WELL, TIM'S TO TAKE THE EASY WAY.

WE'LL SEE.

IT'S LOCKED UP.

THAT'S IMPORTED AT BLINK GUI.

I ONLY KNOW, I ONLY DIDN'T WANT TO ANSWER IT.

I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO WHY THE CITY.

YEAH.

MAYBE I'VE GOT TO CLICK SOMEWHERE ELSE.

WHAT'S NOT A TOUCH SCREEN THAT WOULD EXPLAIN THAT.

OKAY.

BUT AS I WAS SAYING, I'LL TRY TO CATCH IT UP WHILE I'M, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO RUBBER STAMP WHAT, WHAT STAFF SAYS, BUT I WILL SAY, UH, AS YOU'VE HEARD, WHEN THEY INTRODUCED THEMSELVES, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS ROOM WITH THESE GUYS.

SO, UH, DOING WHAT THEY RECOMMEND.

SOMETIMES IT'S THE BEST WAY TO GO.

UM, SEE IF, IF I WASN'T EVEN TRYING TO GET TO THE COWBOY GAME, I PROBABLY COULD'VE GOT THROUGH.

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WE'RE ALREADY REMEDIED.

UM, YEAH.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE BACK TO ROOM B.

YOU CAN ASK THINGS LIKE, WELL, 30 DAYS BE NICE.

DO YOU THINK THAT'S ENOUGH TIME? UH, DOES THIS STRUCTURE NEED TO BE DEMOLISHED OR CAN IT BE REPAIRED? UH, YOU CAN EVEN QUESTION, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU ARE, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO WITH THE MAXIMUM FINE.

IF THEY'RE RECOMMENDING THE MAXIMUM FINE, YOU MIGHT, YOU MIGHT EVEN ASK THAT, WELL, WHY ARE WE GOING FOR REC FOR THE MAXIMUM FINE.

UM, BUT DON'T ASK THINGS LIKE, WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG TO GET THIS, THIS SEASON HERE OR THIS CASE? A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL GET THAT FROM THE BACKGROUND.

THAT WILL KIND OF EXPLAIN WHAT BROUGHT US HERE.

UH, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST CERTAIN THINGS YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T NEED TO BE GETTING INTO AS FAR AS, UH, WHY THINGS GOT, WHERE THEY ARE JUST FOCUS ON WHAT WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU AND IN WHAT ROOM.

AND HE WOULD BE, UM, THIS IS, I'M GONNA SKIP THROUGH THIS.

I HAVE TO GET BACK TO THE PLACE.

UH, THERE WAS A TIME WHEN, UH, WE KIND OF PUT THE BOARD ON HOLD FOR A WHILE, BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME ISSUES WITH WEATHER.

UH, HOW WOULD SHE GO ABOUT DOING THIS AND WERE WHETHER WE WERE REVIVED, VIOLATING PEOPLE'S RIGHTS.

UM, AND IT ALL CAME BACK AND WENT THROUGH WHETHER WE'RE INVOLVED IN COMBINATION, ADVERSE VERSE COMBINATION, WHAT WERE OUR POWERS ABOUT, UH, ABATEMENT OF THE NUISANCE? UH, BUT WHAT IT REALLY BOILED DOWN TO WAS, UH, THE COURTS HAVE THERE PRETTY MUCH GIVEN US THE, HEY, IF, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING, YOU NEED TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAL.

THE LAW GIVES THEM AFTER YOU ISSUE YOUR DECISION, THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO APPEAL TO THE DISTRICT COURT CITIES WERE GETTING IN TROUBLE BECAUSE THEY WERE DEMOLISHING HOUSES.

I THINK THE CITY OF DALLAS HAD ONE WHERE THEY DEMONST HOUSE WITHIN A WEEK OF WHEN THE BOARD SAID IT NEEDED TO BE THE SMALL DEMOLISHED, AND THEN THE PERSON WENT AND APPEALED.

BUT BY THAT TIME, THE HOUSE HAS GONE.

AND SO THE COURTS HAVE SAID LIKE, YOU GOT TO GIVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAL.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU'LL SEE IN MOST OF THE RECOMMENDATION OR SHOULD SEE HIM IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, THAT NO, WE WILL NOT GO TEAR DOWN A HOUSE WITHIN 30 DAYS BECAUSE THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO APPEAL YOUR DECISION.

AND SO WE WANT TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO FILE THAT APPEAL SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THEIR HAVE THEIR DUE PROCESS, UH, BECAUSE, UH, ALTHOUGH I DON'T ANTICIPATE Y'ALL WILL EVER MAKE AN ERRONEOUS DECISION.

IT HAPPENS.

AND IF IT HAPPENS, THE COURTS WILL TELL US THAT WE DID SOMETHING WRONG.

AND IF WE DID SOMETHING WRONG, WE DON'T WANT TO BE TERRIBLE.

WE DON'T WANT TO TEAR THE HOUSE DOWN BEFORE THE COURT CAN TELL US THAT.

AND IF THEY DO APPEAL, UH, WE WILL STOP.

WE, UH, I THINK FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, THAT IF, IF WE GIVE THEM THE 30 DAYS THEY CAN APPEAL, THEY CAN THEN ASK THE COURT TO STOP US FROM DEMOLISHING.

THEY CAN ASK FOR A TRO AND WE'VE TAKEN THE POSITION THAT THEY FILED, THAT APPEAL.

WE'RE NOT TEARING THE HOUSE DOWN.

WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THE COURTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIGURE THIS OUT BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH DEMOLITION.

BECAUSE AGAIN, WE WOULD PREFER THEY FIX THE HOUSE OR TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES, UH, BRIEFLY, UH, Y'ALL DONE YOUR TRAINING ON OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

SO, UH, CORN IS FOR OUR BOARD OR FOR ANY BOARD IN THE CITY IS FIVE MEMBERS.

UH, SO YOU NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL BECAUSE IF FIVE EVER YOU'RE STANDING AROUND AND START TALKING TO MORE OF THE BUSINESS THAT COULD QUALIFY AS AN OPEN MEETING OR A MEETING OPEN MEETINGS ACT REQUIRES THAT TO BE POSTED.

SO YOU JUST WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHO, WHAT YOU TALK TO TO ONE ANOTHER, UH, WALKING QUORUMS. UH, I THINK THEY'D PROBABLY BEEN TURNING THEIR HEAD A BIT ABOUT THAT.

WHERE IF MR. PERRY WAS WENT TO MR. HERTZ, DISCUSSING STAFF AND MR. ERNEST GOES TO, UH, MR. SPENCER AND TALKS ABOUT THE SAME STUFF, YOU GET A STRING OF FIVE GOING TOGETHER.

THAT'S ALSO CONSIDERED A CORE AND YOU CAN'T DODGE THE REQUIREMENTS OF OPEN MEETINGS JUST BY NOT TALKING ABOUT FOUR OVER HERE, AND THEN THREE OVER HERE LAST TO GET TOGETHER.

UH, JUST CAN'T DO THAT, WHICH IS GENERALLY WHY YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF HER REPLY BUTTON.

A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL GET IT.

WE'LL GET EMAILS ABOUT THESE MEETINGS AND YOU HIT REPLY.

ALL.

DON'T TALK ABOUT BOARD BUSINESS, CAUSE YOU COULD CREATE A MEETING THERE BY SENDING AN EMAIL TO, TO EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD.

SO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THAT OPEN RECORDS ACT OR THE LILY SAID A MINUTE AGO WERE SUBJECT TO THE OPEN RECORDS REQUIREMENTS.

WE TAPE THE MEETINGS, THE MEETINGS ARE AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST THEY'RE AVAILABLE ONLINE, BUT IF SOMEBODY REQUESTED IT, WE WOULD PROVIDE IT TO THEM.

BUT THIS, THE IMPORTANT THING IS THIS INCLUDES

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EMAIL.

SO AGAIN, EVEN IF YOU DON'T HIT THE REPLY, I'LL BE VERY CAREFUL WITH WHAT YOU PUT IN YOUR REPLY.

UH, I'VE SPENT THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.

IF I SEND AN EMAIL, I JUST ASSUME THAT SOMEDAY I MIGHT SEE EXHIBIT A SLAPPED AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT AND INTRODUCED THE TRIAL.

SO JUST THINK ABOUT THAT BEFORE YOU PUT SOMETHING IN AN EMAIL, BECAUSE THERE ARE TIMES WHEN YOU MIGHT GET A LITTLE CASUAL IN EMAILS, THINGS THAT YOU WOULDN'T PUT IN THE LETTER YOU MIGHT PUT IN AN EMAIL, UH, JUST BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT YOU PUT IN EMAILS, BECAUSE THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE SUBJECT TO OPEN RECORDS AND WE WILL OCCASIONALLY GET REQUESTS FOR EMAILS.

NOW I'VE NEVER, I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER HAD LILLIAN.

WE NEVER HAD ANYBODY WANT STUFF FOR MY BOARD.

NO, I'M SURPRISED.

CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE TELLING PEOPLE WHO TEAR THEIR HOUSE DOWN, BUT NOT, WE'VE NEVER HAD ANYBODY REALLY FIGHT WITH US, BUT THEY COULD.

AND EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THERE, IT'S, IT'S NO FUN TO GO LOOKING FOR THOSE THINGS.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, ANY QUESTIONS TOOK A LITTLE LONGER THAN I THOUGHT WOULD BE ONE BECAUSE I CAN'T OPERATE THE EQUIPMENT, BUT THEY MIGHT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

AGAIN, IT WAS JUST BRIEF.

I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK TO ANYBODY WITHOUT CREATING A COURTROOM.

IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, WHAT WE CAN DO, UH, I'M ALWAYS AVAILABLE AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS LIKE THAT.

SO IF WE EVER NEED ANYTHING, JUST EMAIL ME, CALL ME WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

QUESTIONS.

I JUST LIKED TO A LITTLE PIGGYBACKING HERE, KURT FOR A SECOND.

OKAY.

UM, WHEN WE GO INTO OUR MOCK UH, MEETING JUST AS, THIS IS NOTHING WRITTEN IN STONE, BUT IT'S, IT'S A COURTESY POLICY.

IT'S AN UNWRITTEN CURTIS AND POLICY THAT WE ALWAYS FOLLOW HERE ON BOARD, WHENEVER THERE'S A CASE PRESENTED.

AND THAT CASE IS IN YOUR DISTRICT IS IN YOUR DISTRICT.

WE HAVE ALWAYS GIVEN RESPECTABLE PRIVILEGE FOR THAT BOARD MEMBER WHO RESIDE IN THAT DISTRICT TO MAKE THE MOTION.

THIS THERE'S NOTHING WRITTEN IN STONE THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT.

BUT THIS IS A COURTESY POLICY THAT WE'VE ALWAYS FOLLOWED ON THIS BOARD.

IF YOU RESIDE IN DISTRICT SEVEN, DISTRICT 3, 4, 2, 1 IS WE HAVE RESPECT THAT POLICY FOR THAT BOARD MEMBER IN THAT DISTRICT TO INITIATE THE MOTION AFTER, AFTER DELIBERATION AND DISCUSSION.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR, ESPECIALLY FOR THE NEW BOARD FOR CALEB AND MS. BELL.

OKAY.

THAT STEMS FROM, FROM, UH, AGAIN, UNWRITTEN POLICY OF CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL, IF SOMETHING'S HAPPENING IN YOUR DISTRICT, THEY USUALLY RESERVE THE RIGHT TO, FOR THAT, THAT, UH, COUNCIL PERSON TO PRESENT THAT.

AND SO WE'VE KIND OF ADOPTED THAT HERE AND IT MAKES SENSE.

THINGS ARE HAPPENING IN YOUR DISTRICT.

UH, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE TO YOUR COUNCIL PERSON.

YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN YOUR DISTRICT.

SO THEY WANT TO, YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO, TO SHOW THAT, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MOVING THINGS FORWARD.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE HOUSES NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO GIVE THAT OPPORTUNITY NOW IF FOR WHATEVER REASON IT COMES UP AND THAT PERSON IS ABSENT AND NOT HERE THAT, THAT NIGHT, UH, WHERE WE STILL MOVE FORWARD ON IT.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO WAIT FOR YOU TO BE HERE TO DO THAT.

AS LONG AS WE HAVE A QUORUM OF THE OTHER MEMBERS, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD AGAIN, THAT COMES FROM COUNCIL POLICY.

SO IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE USED TO.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, CURT.

OKAY.

A FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. NUMBER SEVEN, AS WE SPOKE ABOUT PREVIOUSLY, WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH AND DO AN EXERCISE CASE.

WE'RE STILL GOING TO DO A CASE AT THE SAFETY RIGHT HERE.

YES, SIR.

THAT IS CORRECT.

BUT THE ONLY DISTINCTION BETWEEN TONIGHT AND THE NEXT PRE MEETING IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO EX ACTUALLY EXERCISE THE, THE EQUIPMENT, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

WE MAY NOT ACTUALLY BRING A MOCK CASE NEXT TIME, BUT WE WILL BRING A, UH, A TRAINING SESSION ON HOW TO VOTE IMPACT ON THE BOAT.

OKAY.

UM, ANOTHER THING CARRIED OUT.

I FAILED TO MENTION ROBERT RULES OF ORDER.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO INTO TOO MUCH DETAILS WITH, DO WE, UH, DO WE WANT TO DO THAT FOR NEXT MEETING THE GOAL OR NOT, NOT GETTING IN TOO MUCH INTO THE WEEDS ABOUT ROBERT RULES OF ORDER WHERE YOU THROW THAT ON THERE JUST GENERALLY FOR THE NEXT.

SO WE FOLLOW IT, WE FOLLOW IT, FOLLOW ROBERT ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.

BUT THE IMPORTANT THING IS IF WE STUMBLE A LITTLE BIT, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE LEGITIMACY OF ANY DECISION, RIGHT? IF WE CAN JUST NOT GET IN TOO MUCH FOR NEXT THE PRE-MEETING, UH, RICK TO GO OVER THE BASIC GUIDELINES OF ROBERT RULES OF ORDER, HAVE NO MAKING A MOTION SECOND AND DISCUSSION THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

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WE CAN START TO DO THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

AND NOW ON THAT NOTE, UH, IT'S ABOUT A QUARTER TO SEVEN.

IS EVERYONE OKAY? IS ANYONE NEITHER RESTROOM BREAK? IS EVERYONE OKAY? EVERYONE IS OKAY.

OKAY.

THE AT 6 45, THE PROPERTY STANDARDS, BOARD PRE MEETINGS, WE HAVE ONE, I HAVE A HELLO.

UM, I HAVE A REQUEST AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR IT OR WHAT, BUT SITTING HERE.

AND I KNOW THE REASON FOR IT, THERE IS A LIGHT THAT IS SHINING DIRECTLY IN MY EYES.

THESE LIGHTS RIGHT HERE, I KNOW ARE FOR US TO BE HIGHLIGHTED, BUT THAT LIGHT RIGHT OVER THERE, I BELIEVE IS DESIGNED TO HIGHLIGHT THE SPEAKER.

IT'S IT'S RIGHT THERE.

AND THERE'S TWO OF THEM.

THERE'S ONE THERE AND THERE'S ONE RIGHT OVER THERE.

AND I MEAN, IT, IT, IT'S A MARGINAL SITUATION TO WHERE IT CAN BY KEEPING A MIGRAINE HEADACHE OR SOMETHING.

SO, UM, I'M GUESSING YOU SEE IT RIGHT NOW THAT DIDN'T TURN IT OFF, BUT THIS ONE, THESE WERE THE MONITOR.

I THINK IT'S HIGHLIGHTING IS YES.

WELL, THOSE, THESE ARE OKAY, BUT I'M WONDERING IF THEY CAN PUT SOME KIND OF, YEAH, LIKE DIRECTLY ABOVE THE SPEAKER SO THEY CAN SEE SOME KIND OF SHIELD OR SOMETHING TO WHERE THAT LIGHT DIDN'T SHINE DIRECTLY IN OUR EYES.

KIND OF LIKE YOU FOR THE THEATER THEATER, THEY HAVE THE LIGHTING AROUND THE FOXES, THE SHIELDS AROUND THEM.

I GUESS THEY'RE ON THE SAME SWITCH.

DIRECTS THEM.

THESE ARE THE LIGHT CHECK ON THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN SWITCH ONE SOMETIME.

YES.

MA'AM THESE TWO RIGHT HERE IN THE BACK.

RIGHT.

I SEE YOUR SHOT.

RIGHT, RIGHT THERE.

AND IT'S ANGLED SUCH A WAY THAT IT IS JUST RIDING WITH AND I'M WITH YOU.

UH, IN ADDITION THAT FOR OUR MEETING PUBLIC MEETING BEING RECORDED, WE'RE ALSO, ARE WE BEING VIDEOTAPED AS WELL RIGHT NOW? WE'RE NOT BEING RECORDED.

SO THERE'S NOT A NECESSITY FOR, FOR THIS TO YOU TO BE BROADCAST VIDEO, VIDEO BROADCAST, UH, OUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

SO THE LIGHTS IS REALLY NOT A REAL ISSUE.

IS THERE, UH, WE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADJUST IT SOMEHOW.

WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

IT IS SIX 50.

UH, THE PROPERTY STANDARDS BOARD PRE-MEETINGS FOR DECEMBER THE SECOND 2021 IS NOW JEREMY.

NOW EVERYONE IS OKAY WITH KNOWN ME FOR A BRIGHT WEB.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO GO FORWARD WITH OUR REGULAR MOCK MEETING.

I WILL CALL SEAN UP TO THE FLOOR TO, TO GET US STARTED ONCE AGAIN.

WE'LL WE'LL UH, MR. PERRY, THERE'S ANOTHER ITEM WE HAVE.

OKAY.

NO PROBLEM.

I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE STEPS.

OKAY.

THE REGULAR MEETING PROCEEDING.

NORMALLY WE HAVE A MEETING CALLED TO ORDER, WHICH IS CALLED TO ORDER BY THE CHAIRMAN, WHICH IS MYSELF.

NORMALLY WE GET THAT KICKED OFF, THAT GETS KICKED OFF AT SEVEN O'CLOCK OR WHENEVER THE DESIGNATED TIME IS THE INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE WITHOUT ATTEMPT TO DO WELL.

WE HAVE A PRE MEETING OR A MEAL I'LL APPROACH INDIVIDUALS.

I DO.

IT'S NOT THE INTENT TO MAKE ANYBODY FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE.

I KNOW SOME PEOPLE DO NOT, ARE NOT BASHFUL IN PRAYING IN PUBLIC PUBLIC, AND SOME PEOPLE ARE, AND THAT'S HONOR.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THROUGH, THROUGH MY INTERACTION WITH YOU, IF YOU FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE AND IN PRAYER AND GIVING OR PROVIDING A PUBLIC PRAYER, I WILL RESPECT THAT DON'T EVER FEEL THAT YOU'RE BEING FORCED TO DO SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH.

BUT NORMALLY, AS FAR AS THE PLEDGE, I WILL ROTATE, UH, GO AROUND TO, TO, UH, TO THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

AND I WILL JUST APPROACH YOU AND ASK TO SEE IF YOU, THAT SPIRIT IS LEADING YOU TO DO A PRAYER FOR THE, FOR THAT EVENING.

AND IF, IF SO, IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING SO, I WILL APPROACH YOU.

AND I'LL I'LL APPROACH ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER TO DO THE, UH, THE PLEDGE FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS AND THE PLANS FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS.

BECAUSE MOST OF US DON'T HAVE PRACTICE IN DOING THAT ON A, ON A ROUTINE BASIS.

THERE'S A PLASTIC PLACARD IN YOUR, IN YOUR PACKET, IN YOUR FILE, IN YOUR FOLDER.

SO IF YOU GET SELECTED BY APPROACHED YOU, AND IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS READ THIS.

AND BASICALLY WHEN WE, WHEN THE INVOCATION IS DONE, WE ALL STAND AND WE NOT FORCING ANYBODY TO PARTICIPATE.

THAT'S WHAT THIS WE'RE NOT FORCING.

YOU MEAN ANY, UH, UH, RELIGIOUS, UH, UH, COMMITMENT TOWARD ANYBODY.

SO YOU RE YOU STAND UP, WE'LL DO THE PRAYER.

AND THEN I WILL, UM, THEN, THEN THE, THE FI AFTER THE,

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UH, AFTER THE INVOCATION, THE PLEDGE IS GIVEN BY ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER AND WE FACE THE TEXAS FLAG.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? SO IF I APPROACH IT, PLEASE DON'T RUN.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THEN WE'LL GO INTO THE PROCESS FOR, UH, AGENDA ITEM.

NUMBER THREE, WE ARE, WE WILL REVIEW THE MINUTES.

YOU WOULD HAVE A FEW MINUTES.

WELL, YOU WOULD HAVE SOME TIME TO REVIEW THE MEDS AND SEE IF YOU, UH, IF EVERYTHING WAS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, UH, WHAT THE PROCEEDING FROM THE PREVIOUS MEDS.

NOW, KURT CORRECTLY, IF, IF A BOARD MEMBER IS ABSENT FROM THE, FROM THE PRIOR MEETING MEETING, IS, IS THAT INDIVIDUAL THAT IS HIM OR HER ABLE TO VOTE ON THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

YOU ARE ALLOWED TO VOTE ON THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

SO IF YOU HAVE TO BE PRESENT AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, OKAY, I DID CHECK ON THAT LAST TIME WE HAD THAT ISSUE COME UP REWARDS.

OKAY.

SO IF YOU, BY CIRCUMSTANCES, I UNABLE TO ATTEND.

IF YOU READ THE MINUTES, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE MINUTES.

OKAY.

AND OF COURSE IT WOULDN'T BE AN APPROVAL OF MEDICINE.

WE HAVE THE SECOND, SECOND OF THOSE MINUTES.

OKAY.

THE SWEARING IN OF WITNESSES, WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF SWEARING AND OF WITNESSES.

THE WITNESSES ARE REQUIRED TO FILL OUT A WITNESS CARD.

ONCE THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE GOING TO COME AND TESTIFY BEFORE THE BOARD, THEY HAVE, ONCE THAT CARD IS FILLED OUT, KURT, OUR APPOINTED CITY ATTORNEY WAS WEARING THOSE INDIVIDUALS IN, OKAY.

THEN WE HAVE THE MOCK PROPERTY HEARING.

YES, MR. BARRY, WE DO HAVE THE, UH, WE DO NEED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 6, 20, 20 HEARING THAT WE HAD.

SO WE DO NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

YES, SIR.

AND THOSE, THOSE MINUTES ARE IN YOUR PACKET.

IT'S LOCATED IN YOUR PACKET.

AFTER THE TEXAS PLEDGE, WE CAN DO A MANUAL MANUAL VOTE FOR IT.

OKAY.

AND THIS I'LL SEND THIS PACKAGE AT THIS TIME.

WE'LL HAVE THE BOARD MEMBERS FEBRUARY TO FEBRUARY, FEBRUARY.

OKAY.

THIS TIME, AT THE TIME, AT THIS TIME, WE WERE REVIEWED THE MINUTES THAT SAY IN OUR, IN OUR PACKETS.

UH, WE'LL TAKE A FEW MOMENTS TO REVIEW IT.

AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE, UH, WE'LL GO TO THE FLOOR FOR ANY, UH, MOTION BEFORE THE, FOR THESE MINUTES.

AT THIS TIME WE WERE EATING THIS.

SET THE MOTION.

THE MINUTES.

WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MS. MS. MARGARET TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? IS THERE A SECOND, MR. LONG, YOU HAVE A SECOND BY MR. LONG, ALL IN FAVOR.

SHOW OF HANDS.

YOU HAVE A UNANIMOUS DECISION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 6TH, 2020 MEETING.

OKAY.

DID WE HAVE ANY MOCK WITNESSES SHOWN? I BELIEVE THERE'S ONE WITNESS THIS EVENING.

YES, WE HAVE ONE.

WHAT HAS HAS THAT

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WITNESS SOURCE? BOTH IN, I CAN USE BOTH HANDS.

I'LL BE THE WITNESS AND THE PRESENTER TODAY.

OKAY.

WELL, WE GOT THE TURKEY YOU WANT TO SWORE IN THE MOB, THE WITNESS KURT, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH? MR. CHAIRMAN.

I THINK WHAT I'LL DO THIS EVENING, UH, INSTEAD OF NORMALLY WHAT I DO WHEN I PRESENT THESE IS I'M HERE TO READ THE CITY'S CASE INTO THE RECORD.

AND SO, UH, IT'S QUITE EXCITING.

I WANT TO READ WHAT I PRESENTED LINE BY LINE AND GO THROUGH IT TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITIES WITHOUT BUTCHERING NAMES OR LOCATIONS, OR WE'RE MAKING TOO BIG, A MESS OF IT.

BUT OUT TONIGHT, I THINK WHAT I'LL DO IS GO THROUGH EACH OF THE SLIDES THAT WERE NORMALLY PRESENT AND KIND OF TELL YOU WHY WE'RE PRESENTING THAT.

MAYBE YOU CAN GIVE ME SOME FEEDBACK IF THERE'S SOME THINGS YOU YOU'D PREFER TO SEE, OR THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SEE.

AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THE THINGS THAT WE'RE PROVIDING ON A NORMAL MEETING.

AND SO, UH, WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS HERE'S WHAT WE CALL OUR CASE HISTORY.

UH, THIS IS FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, A LEGAL DOCUMENT THAT WILL BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE CASE.

UH, EVERYTHING ON IS PERTINENT TO THE LEGAL NOTICE THAT WE'VE PROVIDED, UH, WHO WE BELIEVE THE OWNER IS THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPERTY.

AND SO I'LL BEGIN WITH THE DOCKET NUMBER.

IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD BE 20, 21 X, X THAT WOULD NORMALLY NEVER BE A NUMBER ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

UH, THAT NUMBER LOOKS ARBITRARY, BUT IT'S REALLY JUST AN ORDER THAT WE PUT CASES IN OUR SYSTEM, WHETHER THERE ARE RED TECH AND THEN PROPERTY, OR IF WE'VE RECENTLY OPENED UP A CASE TO BRING TO Y'ALL.

AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THAT IS.

AND THEN THE, UH, YOU'LL SEE THE DATE THERE AND THEN THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY, THE COMMON ADDRESS, AND THEN THE COUNCIL DISTRICT, ET CETERA.

AND SO, UH, MR. SPENCER, THIS ONE WOULD BE IN YOUR DISTRICT.

SO IF YOU WERE TO MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT, UM, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD HAVE THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

SO KIND OF KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN.

I GUESS THAT'S THE FIRST PLACE YOU'LL SEE THE COUNCIL DISTRICT ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY.

THE REST OF THAT IS LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF, WE GET ALL OF OUR INFORMATION FROM THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, THE DALLAS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT, UH, THAT'S THE, THE OWNER TO WHICH WE HAVE TO SEND LEGAL NOTICE.

AND SO THE IMPROVEMENT VALUE IS THE VALUE ASSIGNED BY THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE THERE.

AND THEN I'LL GO THROUGH THIS THIS BIT WHERE I HAVE SOME DATES THERE.

UH, THOSE ARE THE REQUIRED NOTICES THAT WE MUST PROVIDE FOR THE HEARING.

AND SO THE, THE ADMINISTRATIVE SUMMONS, THE, UH, THE NOTICE OF PROCEEDINGS WHEN IT WAS POSTED TO THE PROPERTY, UH, WE, WE ALWAYS DO THAT.

AND THEN ALSO WHEN THAT NOTICE OF PROCEEDINGS FOR TONIGHT'S HEARING WAS SENT, UH, TO THE OWNER AND THEN POSTED ON LOCAL NEWSPAPER.

AND SO REALLY FOR THE INTENT OF LEGAL NOTICE FOR THIS HEARING, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS.

AND REALLY, UH, SOME OF THOSE GO BEYOND STATE REQUIREMENTS, SOME OF THEM ARE REQUIREMENTS FROM THE DARWIN ORDINANCE AND, AND SOME OF THEM WE DO JUST TO, FROM THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT KURT MENTIONED THE FINAL BIT THERE AT THE VERY BOTTOM IS OUR RECOMMENDATION.

I NORMALLY WOULD READ THROUGH THAT.

IT'S A, IT, IT SOUNDS REALLY CUMBERSOME.

IT HAS A LOT OF DATES AND THE DATES ARE ALL RIGHT THERE AND PILE ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.

BUT BASICALLY THE DATES IN THAT RECOMMENDATION ARE GOING TO BE THE DATE THAT WE CONDEMN THE PROPERTY.

IF IT IS CONDEMNED, NOT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CONDEMNED TO, TO BRING IT TO YOUR, TO YOUR BOARD HERE.

BUT IF IT WAS CONDEMNED, THAT DATE WOULD BE THERE.

WE WOULD HAVE THE, UH, THE DATE THAT WE THINK THE PROPERTY SHOULD BE REPAIRED OR DEMOLISHED BY DEPENDING ON WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS, AND THEN BUILT INTO THE TIME PERIOD THERE, YOU'LL SEE, NORMALLY THE NEXT DATE AFTER THAT IS 30 DAYS REMOVED FROM WHEN WE STARTED ACCRUING THE CIVIL PENALTIES.

AND PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT 30 DAY PERIOD IS TO ALLOW FOR THE 30 DAYS, UH, OF THE, UH, UH, APPEAL PROCESS.

AND THEN HER DIDN'T MENTION THIS, BUT ON TOP OF THAT, WE, WE NORMALLY DON'T EVEN DEMOLISH THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY ON THAT LAST DAY OF THE 30 DAYS, WE, WE USUALLY GO ANOTHER 30 DAYS WHILE WE'RE, UH, LOOKING FOR A BID TO GET A GOOD CONTRACTOR WHILE WE'RE WAITING TO MAKE SURE THERE AREN'T ANY LAST MINUTE APPEALS THAT WE WEREN'T AWARE OF.

AND SO WE DO ADD ANOTHER 30 DAY BUFFER, UH, NEW NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES.

IF THE PROPERTY IS IN VERY DANGEROUS CONDITION, SOMETIMES THERE'S NOT THAT EXTRA 30 DAY BUFFER, BUT WE, WE TRY TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO NOT BE IN THE HEADLINES FOR WHEN DALLAS.

SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO BE THAT, THAT CITY.

THIS IS A MAP THAT JUST SHOWS THE, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY.

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AND THIS IS, AGAIN, I'LL GO THROUGH AGAIN, THE PROPER NOTICES THAT WE PROVIDED, WE JUST REALLY WANT TO HAMMER HOME THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED NOTICE FOR ANYONE THAT HAS ANY INTEREST IN THIS PROPERTY TO COME AND STAND BEFORE THE BOARD AND ANSWER FOR WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE THIS EVENING.

AND SO THESE WILL NOT ONLY BE THE, THE OWNERS THAT I'VE IN, THE NOTICES THAT I HAD ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, BUT THEY'LL ALSO BE ANY LIEN HOLDERS.

UH, SOMETIMES YOU SEE BANKS, BANKS HAVE ACTUALLY SENT THEIR LAWYERS IN HERE TO TESTIFY THAT IT HAPPENS ON OCCASION, UH, AND SOME OF THEIR, IF THEY HAVE ANY INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY, THEY HAD SOMEONE.

AND I ALWAYS SHOW PICTURES OF THE NOTICE POSTED TO THE PROPERTY.

UH, THIS ONE HAD THE RED TAG.

THERE IS THE CONDEMNATION LETTER.

THIS PROPERTY SAT CONDEMNED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, NOTHING HAPPENED.

AND SO THEN WE POSTED SEVERAL OTHER NOTICES.

IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO SEE SEVERAL NOTICES.

SOME ARE FROM, UH, COULD BE FROM A BANK FOR A FORECLOSURE NOTICE.

IT COULD BE FROM FIELD SERVICE COMPANY, SOME OF THE MORTGAGE OR THE BANK WILL HIRE A COMPANY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO COME OUT AND MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY IF IT'S VACANT OR FORECLOSED.

AND THEN ALSO OUR NOTICE FOR THE NOTICE OF PROCEEDINGS.

AND THEN I'LL HAVE A SLIDE, UH, ANSWERING THE QUESTION, DOES A VIOLATION EXIST.

AND WITHOUT TRYING TO BE TOO EXHAUSTIVE, I'LL, I'LL TRY TO GET THE HIGH POINTS ON WHAT WE THINK ARE THE MOST PERTINENT VIOLATIONS TO THE CASE, WHAT THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS ARE, WHAT MIGHT MAKE IT THE MOST DANGEROUS.

UH, WHAT ABOUT IT IS THE MOST DANGEROUS AND CAUSING THE MOST IMMEDIATE CONCERN FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THEN I TRIED TO PUT THE REQUIREMENTS TO COMPLY.

SOMETIMES THAT IS AS SIMPLE AS THEY MUST COMPLY WITH ALL THE VIOLATIONS LISTED ON THE CONDEMNATION LETTER, BECAUSE WE'LL SEND AN EXHAUSTIVE LETTER TO THE OWNER STATING THESE ARE THE PROBLEMS WITH THE PROPERTY.

THEY'RE MAKING IT DANGEROUS.

THESE THESE NEED TO BE CORRECTED.

AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH A SERIES OF PICTURES.

THEY KIND OF TRY TO SHOW YOU ALL WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE PROPERTY.

WE TAKE MANY PICTURES THROUGHOUT THE, THE TIME THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH A CASE, BUT I TRIED TO GET THE PICTURES AS CLOSE TO THE HEARINGS AS POSSIBLE.

SO YOU'LL HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT THEN AND THERE.

SO, UH, TYPICALLY IT'S EITHER DONE THE MORNING OF THE, OF THE HEARING OR THE DAY BEFORE THE HEARING, OR AS CLOSE AS I CAN GET TO IT WITHOUT HAVING TO TREBLE THROUGH A RAINY DAY AND GET MUD ALL OVER ME, BUT AS CLOSE AS WE CAN GET TO IT, UH, I'LL ALSO SOMETIMES INCLUDE PICTURES THAT WE GET FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, IF THOSE WERE AVAILABLE.

UM, WE HAVE, WE'VE HAD SOME PROPERTIES IN THE PAST WHERE THE POLICE HAVE ASKED FOR OUR ASSISTANCE AND IF MAY HAVE GONE THROUGH THE HOUSE WITH A WARRANT FROM THE POLICE, AND IF WE WERE PRESENT AND WERE ABLE TO DOCUMENT, UH, VIOLATIONS DURING THAT TIME, WE CAN PRESENT THOSE TO YOU AS WELL.

THEN WE TRIED TO GET A GENERAL TIMELINE TO GIVE AN IDEA OF HOW LONG WE'VE HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE PROPERTY.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO OUTLINE, UH, WHEN WE BEGAN GETTING COMPLAINTS, UH, HOW MANY COMPLAINTS WE GOT, WHAT TYPES OF VIOLATIONS WE HAVE HAD WITH THE PROPERTY THAT KIND OF LED US UP TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

AND SO KURT MENTIONED, WE CAN'T, IT'S NOT REALLY APPROPRIATE FOR YOU ALL TO MAYBE ASK, WELL, WHAT WAS THE VERY FIRST THING THAT Y'ALL EVER SAW GOING ON AT THE PROPERTY? AND WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN? SO WE TRY TO GET IN FRONT OF THAT AND GIVE YOU AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN RIGHT HERE ON THIS SLIDE.

SOMETIMES THIS SLIDE IS TWO OR THREE SLIDES ALONG IF THEY'RE DONE A LOT OF ACTIONS AND THE PROPERTY, ANY CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE WITH THE OWNER OR WITH A REPRESENTATIVE, OR MAYBE NEXT OF KIN, A LOT OF THAT ENDS UP IN THE TIMELINE OF ACTIONS AS WELL.

AND THEN WE TRY TO SUMMARIZE IT JUST TO KIND OF, KIND OF WRAP IT ALL UP AND MAKE SOME SENSE OF WHAT YOU'VE LISTENED TO ME, DRONE ON AND ON ABOUT, AND KIND OF TELL YOU HOW SOME OTHER INFORMATION RIGHT HERE ON THIS SLIDE WOULD BE MAYBE LANES THAT WE FILED AGAINST THE PROPERTY.

AND A LOT OF, A LOT OF THE CASES THAT WE'VE EARNED FOR THIS BOARD ARE PROPERTIES WHERE WE'VE FILED A LOT OF LIEN.

WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ABATEMENT ACTIONS WHERE OUR CONTRACTOR WILL GO OUT TO A PROPERTY IN MOSLEY, MOWED THE YARD, MAYBE SECURE A POOL FENCE, UM, MAYBE REPAIRED OR OTHER DANGEROUS THINGS GOING ON IN THE PROPERTY.

AND SO I HAD TO SECURE THE PROPERTY FOUR OR FIVE TIMES, A LOT OF VACANT PROPERTIES, ATTRACT VANDALS AND HOMELESS PEOPLE.

AND SO OUR CONTRACTORS WILL HAVE TO GO OUT AND RE SECURE THE PROPERTY MANY TIMES.

AND SO THAT CAN ADD UP THIS PROPERTY.

UH, IT LOOKS LIKE WE