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HELLO AND

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WELCOME TO THE JULY 18TH, 2022

[Development Services Committee on July 18, 2022.]

MEETING OF THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE, MYSELF, DYLAN HEDRICK.

HOW'S HAVE COUNCILMAN JEFF BASS AND COUNCIL LADY, DEBRA MORRIS AS WELL.

SOME OTHER CITY STAFF MEMBERS.

WE HAVE A FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 21ST, 2022 MEETING.

MR. CHAIR, I'LL BE GLAD TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

SO WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE.

ALL RIGHT.

THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

ALL RIGHT.

FIRST ITEM WE HAVE FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION IS HORIZONTAL MULTIFAMILY STANDARDS.

AND MR. GARIN IS HERE WITH A PRESENTATION, UM, CHAIRMAN.

SO WE'LL KIND OF PICK UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF FROM LAST MONTH AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, THE COMMITTEE GAVE A FEW, UM, STANDARDS KIND OF A LIST OF STANDARDS THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE HAVE INCORPORATED INTO THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.

THERE WERE A COUPLE OF, UH, OUTSTANDING ONES.

WE'LL KIND OF GO BACK OVER.

UM, I'LL JUMP INTO IT HERE.

YEAH.

THANKS JEN.

SO, UM, KIND OF START AT THE TOP AND THE THOUGHT HERE.

UM, AND, AND AT LEAST ONE OF THEIR CITIES DONE THIS EXACT THING SINCE, UH, WE JUST ADOPTED A, UH, KIND OF AN NF ONE AND F TWO KIND OF STAIR-STEPPING UP THE DENSITY LEVEL AS THE NUMBER GETS HIGHER.

UM, MAYBE WE KIND OF HAVE THIS AS AN F ZERO DISTRICT, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT A, I BELIEVE IT'S SELENA CALLS IT.

SO IT MIGHT BE KIND OF AN EASY KIND OF CLEAN WAY TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE GDC AND THE LAND USE MATRIX.

SO, UH, SO THIS WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL KIND OF MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT, UM, OPTION THAT DEVELOPERS COULD REZONE INTO.

AND IF, IF APPROVED BY COUNCIL, THEY WOULD, UM, BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THIS STYLE OF DEVELOPMENT BY, RIGHT.

SO JUST RUNNING THROUGH THE LIST, KIND OF PICK IT UP FROM LAST TIME AS A REMINDER.

UM, OF COURSE, UH, THIS FIRST ONE WOULD BE KIND OF INCORPORATED INTO THE DEFINITION AND PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE DISTRICT, WHICH IS THAT THIS APPLIES TO MULTIPLE DWELLING UNITS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED, UM, TO BE DEVELOPED IN A SINGLE FAMILY STYLE, UH, AND NOT ON INDIVIDUALLY PLANTED LOTS.

UM, THE COMMITTEE, UH, WAS GOOD WITH THE GDC MULTIFAMILY AMENITIES APPLYING TO THIS STYLE OF DEVELOPMENT.

SO, UM, MORE SPECIFICALLY LIKE A CLUBHOUSE SWIMMING POOL, UH, LEISURE AND OPEN SPACES, USUALLY, UM, MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS MEET THAT THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, POCKET PARKS, DOG PARKS, BACCI BALL, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

UM, MULTI-FAMILY PARKING RATIOS WOULD APPLY.

WE WENT OVER THAT, UM, AT THE LAST, UH, MEETING, UM, MAXIMUM OF 12 UNITS PER ACRE DENSITY.

UM, UH, LOOKING, JUST FOR EXAMPLE, THE PARK HOUSE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED, THAT WAS ABOUT SIX TO SEVEN UNITS PER ACRE.

THAT SHOULDN'T, SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.

UH, MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR THE BUILDINGS WOULD BE 35 FEET AND TWO STORIES, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO OUR SINGLE FAMILY STANDARDS, UM, AND CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES.

UM, BUILDING SEPARATION WOULD BE A 10 FOOT MINIMUM AS OPPOSED TO THE MULTIFAMILY, UH, BUILDING SEPARATION REQUIREMENT AND THE GDC, WHICH IS, UH, 20 FEET AS A REMINDER PARK HOUSE HAD A 10 FOOT MINIMUM BUILDING SEPARATION.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE DEVIATIONS THEY HAVE REQUESTED IN THAT PROCESS.

AND AS A REMINDER, THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO SEE THE SINGLE FAMILY THOROUGHFARE PERIMETER SCREENING, UM, APPLY.

AND ALSO THAT, UM, IF THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, OR THE STYLE OF DEVELOPMENT, UM, GOES ADJACENT TO A, AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT, THAT, UM, UH, SHOULD BE SCREENED ACCORDINGLY, UH, SIMILAR TO A MULTIFAMILY, A STANDARD MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

SO MASONRY WALL, OR, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER OPTIONS, BUT THE MOST STANDARD ONE IS A MASONRY WALL.

AND THEN THE TWO KIND OF OUTSTANDING THINGS THAT WE DID DISCUSS AND, AND KIND OF BRINGING BACK THIS TIME, UH, AT THIS MEETING IS BUILDING DESIGN.

UM, I THINK THE COMMITTEE AND STAFF AS WELL, IT FEELS, IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO APPLY SINGLE FAMILY, UH, BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS, AS OPPOSED TO MULTI-FAMILY MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS AS THE WRITTEN CONTEMPLATE, A LARGER MASS OF BUILDING, USUALLY AT LEAST TWO, THREE STORIES.

UM, SO THIS DOLLAR DEVELOPMENT, IT MAKES SENSE MORE FOR SINGLE FAMILY STYLE AND ALSO, UM, PER BUILDING VERSUS PER UNIT.

THE GDC DOES, UM, IT, THE DESIGN STANDARDS SAY PER UNIT, UH, BUT SINCE OFTENTIMES THESE HAVE MAYBE TWO OR THREE ATTACHED UNITS, UM, KIND OF APPLYING THOSE FOR THE BUILDING AS A WHOLE, THAT SOMETIMES COMES UP WITH TOWNHOUSES.

UM, THE GDC IS PER CENTS PER UNIT, BUT IT'S KIND OF TOUGH TO MEET, UM, INDIVIDUAL ARCHITECT, ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS FOR EACH ATTACHED UNIT.

SO THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD, UM, GOOD ITEM TO CLARIFY.

SO AGAIN, PER BUILDING, UM, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ROOF PITCH.

THAT IS ONE THING THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE GDC, SINGLE FAMILY, UH, BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS.

THE MINIMUM IS SIX 12, WHICH PARKHOUSE ACTUALLY MET.

UM, THEY, THEY HAD A SIX, 12 MINIMUM.

UH, SOME OF THE BUILDINGS ACTUALLY HAD A NINE, 12, OR EVEN SOME CASES AT 12, 12, UH, ROOF PITCH.

UM, BUT I DID NOTICE IN SELENA'S, UM, NFO STANDARDS, THEY, UM, HAVE

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A MINIMUM FIVE 12, SO THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO, TO MEET IF WE WANT TO, UM, KIND OF LOOSEN THAT A LITTLE BIT.

UH, I THINK THE COMMITTEE EVEN EXPLORED POSSIBLY JUST DROPPING THAT REQUIREMENT.

SO CAN CERTAINLY LEAVE THAT OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

UM, AND THEN, UH, THE FINAL ONE IS COVERED PARKING THE COMMITTEE SUGGESTING HAVING ONE ENCLOSED SPACE PER UNIT AND CLOSE MEANING A GARAGE RATHER THAN A CAR PORT.

UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER.

I LOOKED BACK AT THE PARK HOUSE AND THEY, THEY MET THAT THEY ACTUALLY ACHIEVED THEIR, UH, 50% PLUS COVERED PARKING, UH, ENTIRELY THROUGH GARAGES.

UM, MOST OF THEM WERE ATTACHED.

SOME OF THEM WERE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, FEW FEET KIND OF DETACHED, BUT, UM, BUT THEY ACHIEVED THAT THROUGH ENCLOSED GARAGES AND THEY MET THAT ONE ENCLOSED SPACE PER UNIT, IF THAT WERE TO BE A REQUIREMENT.

UM, I SHOULD MENTION THERE IS ONE OTHER, UM, HORIZONTAL MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN REVIEW.

UM, IN DISTRICT TWO, THEY ARE SHOWING SOME CAR PORTS, SO THEY MAY NOT MEET THIS REQUIREMENT IF THAT WERE ONE THAT MAY BE A DEVIATION OR YOU KNOW, OF SWORDS, BUT THEY WERE SHOWING SOME CARPORT SPRINT IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

SO JUST KIND OF WANT TO MENTION THAT, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE SOME PREFER THE GARAGES AND OTHERS KIND OF MIX AND MATCH.

SO, UH, BUT WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN THAT'S, UM, THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT.

SO OPEN IT UP TO ANY DISCUSSION OR THANK YOU, MR. GUERIN, I'D LIKE TO GET THE COMMITTEE'S INPUT ON ANY OF THESE BULLET POINTS THAT HE'S SHOWN.

YES.

YES.

OKAY.

SO, UM, WELL FIRST I'LL TAKE THE ONE THAT HAVE THE STRONGEST DEPENDENT SPEAKER.

CAN YOU GET THE MICROPHONE CLOSER? OH, SORRY.

THERE WE GO.

SO ON THE, UH, PARKING, UM, SINCE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO STYLE THESE MORE LOOKING LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY, I THINK I WOULD, I WOULD LEAN TOWARD REQUIRING AN ENCLOSED SPACE AS OPPOSED TO JUST THE CARPORT, UM, ON THE ROOF PITCH.

YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION I WOULD HAVE WOULD BE WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF HAVING A REQUIREMENT FOR THE ROOF PITCH? AND I'M AN, I KNOW YOU'RE AN ENGINEER AND HE'S IN PLANNING SIZE AND ONE OF YOU TWO COULD ANSWER MY QUESTION.

WELL, I'LL JUMP IN THERE, CATHERINE HEADER, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

FAIR ENOUGH.

NO, UM, YOU KNOW, ROOF PITCH IS COMMON FOR SINGLE FAMILY STYLE, YOU KNOW, USUALLY WHETHER IT'S ACTUALLY SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTI-FAMILY, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF RESPECTING THE SINGLE FAMILY STYLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S WHERE YOU TYPICALLY SEE THE ROOF PITCHES.

WHEREAS THE FLATTER ROOF PITCHES ARE KIND OF MORE IN LINE WITH MAYBE A MORE URBAN, MODERN STYLE.

UM, AND SO WE'VE BEEN SEEING THAT A LOT MORE WITH, WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, MULTI-FAMILY URBAN STYLE MULTIFAMILY, UM, MAYBE EVEN SOME TOWNHOUSES A WHILE A WELL, SO, UM, I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T HAVE A CONCERN NECESSARILY OF ELIMINATING ROOF PITCH REQUIREMENT.

IT MAY ALLOW FOR SOME MORE CREATIVITY IN CASE THERE'S KIND OF A SINGLE FAMILY STYLE, BUT KIND OF MORE OF A MODERN STYLE.

UM, CERTAINLY THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE DO ENCOURAGE ARCHITECTS TO BE CREATIVE.

I MEAN, WE TRY TO LEAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THE GDC THAT DOES ALLOW FOR SOME CREATIVITY, FOR ARCHITECTS TO PROPOSE SOMETHING VERSUS US DICTATING THE ACTUAL ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.

SO THAT'S JUST SOME THOUGHTS.

OKAY.

I MEAN, IF THERE'S NO BENEFIT, I WOULD SAY TO HAVING THE REQUIREMENT, I WOULD SAY, JUST GET RID OF THAT REQUIREMENT ALTOGETHER, ALLOW FOR MORE CREATIVITY IN THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.

SO MY 2 CENTS ON THOSE TWO THINGS, WELL, SO UP NORTH, IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY WHERE THERE'S HEAVY SNOW AND HEAVY ICE, THERE'S A REASON, CORRECT.

THAT'S EXACTLY.

YEAH.

UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WITH, UM, WITH SOME TOWNHOMES THAT ARE, UM, IN THE PROCESS IN DISTRICT TWO, UM, AND I HAD MENTIONED THIS BEFORE THIS CAN, YOU KNOW, FOR THEM, THE ROOFS ARE, IT'S A GREEN DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S ALL SOLAR PANELS.

SO BY REQUIRING ANY PITCH IN PARTICULAR, THAT MEANS THAT THAT'S JUST ANOTHER THING, HURDLE THAT THEY HAVE TO LEAP.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO BE FINE WITH JUST STRIKING A, A SPECIFICATION OF ROOF PITCH.

AND WE JUST, I MEAN, WHO KNOWS WHAT TOMORROW WILL BRING, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT HAVING HEAVY SNOW AND ICE THAT WILL DAMAGE HOUSES WITH FLAT ROOFS.

SO, UM, I'M FINE WITH STRIKING THAT AS WELL.

SO IF YOU WANT TO REMOVE THAT REQUIREMENT, UM, COVER PARKING.

I DO LIKE THE ONE ENCLOSED SPACE PER UNIT, BECAUSE THIS IS TRYING TO BE MORE LIKE THE SINGLE FAMILY DESIGN, HAVING A ENCLOSED GARAGE IS TYPICAL OF THAT KIND OF DESIGN.

NOW I KNOW COUNSELING MORRISON'S DISREGARD HISTORICALLY IT'S OLDER, BUT THAT'S, IF IT WAS A HOUSE BUILT, NOW, IT LIKELY WOULD HAVE AN ENCLOSED GARAGE.

CAN YOU GO TO THE FIRST PAGE OR SOMETHING RIGHT THERE? I

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DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT NEEDS OTHER THINGS, UNLESS WE WANT TO TALK PERHAPS ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT TO GO THREE STORIES ON SOME OF THESE UNITS, SOME TOWNHOME, LOTS LIKE THAT.

OFTEN THEY MAY GO THREE STORIES, BUT PARKING UNDERNEATH AND A COMMON AREA.

AND THEN ON THE TOP IT'S A BEDROOM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE CAN, WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY, I'M JUST PICTURING THAT DESIGNED.

THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT CATEGORY, RIGHT.

THAT WOULDN'T BE LIKE THESE BUILD TO BUILD THE RENT AND HOMES, BECAUSE THIS IS MORE OF A, THIS IS MORE OF THE SMALL SINGLE FAMILY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WOULD BE MAYBE A LARGE SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENT LIKE THAT.

IF IT'S A, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE OKAY.

I MEAN, UH, THAT'D BE OKAY.

THIS A DUSTIN, THE HEIGHT THAT COMES SELENA, IS THAT WHAT THEY HAD IN THEIRS? DO YOU KNOW OFF HAND RIGHT HERE? UH, OKAY, THIS IS, YEAH, THIS IS SELENA.

UM, TO STORE, YOU CAN SEE THAT OR NOT, BUT 36 FEET AND TWO STORIES, I GOT 36 FEET AND TWO STORIES AND THEN PRINCETON HAS GOT 30 FEET AND TWO STORIES AND THAT OUR GDC, I CAN DOUBLE CHECK, BUT I BELIEVE I KNOW THE MAXIMUM SINGLE FAMILY HIGHTEST 35 FEET, DOUBLE CHECKING TO SEE IF IT MENTIONS THE STORIES OR IF IT JUST SAYS 35 FEET PERIOD.

UM, AND HOPEFULLY FIND THAT PRETTY QUICKLY.

AND I WON'T GET TOO HUNG UP ON THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO START WITH THIS, IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT COULD ASK FOR ANOTHER AUDIENCE IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE MOVE FORWARD WITH SPECIAL DESIGN.

SO I THINK WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A GOOD BASIS.

IF WE WANT TO STRIKE THE ROOF PITCH AND THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT'S, WHAT'S SHOWN UP THERE, THEN I'D BE HAPPY TO MOVE THIS TO COUNCIL.

I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK AND, AND TO THE COVERED PARKING AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT AND IN MY DISTRICT, WHICH IS, WHICH IS A TOUGH ONE.

UM, IT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE DIFFICULT LOTS, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH ALL THOSE LEFT IN MY DISTRICT, BUT, UM, WILL THEIR LATEST RENDITION WITH USING SOME, UM, CARPORTS, ARE THE CARPORTS INDIVIDUAL ONES IN, AT THE UNITS OR IS THIS MORE, UH, GANGED, UM, PARKING BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN THE LAST SEVERAL.

RIGHT.

AND IT IS STILL IN REVIEW.

THERE STILL ARE SOME COMMENTS.

UM, I I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK.

I BELIEVE IT IS KIND OF IN ROWS KIND OF SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'D FIND AT A MULTIFAMILY.

YEAH.

BECAUSE WHAT I WOULDN'T WANT WOULD BE THE INDIVIDUAL, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, MULTIFAMILY THAT, THAT ARE LIKE LITTLE SINGLE FAMILIES WITH CARPORTS IN FRONT OF THEM.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE THAT.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION IF THEY MEET THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENT BY HAVING BANKED CARPORT TO BE PART OF THAT.

AND I DON'T WANT TO COMPLETELY LOCK THAT OUT.

UM, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW YOU TWO FEEL ABOUT THAT QUESTION FOR THE C ATTORNEY.

IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S IN PROCESS HERE AND HE GETS MOVED TO COUNCIL IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS, AND THIS IS ALREADY THIS DEVELOPMENT IN COUNSELING, MORRIS'S, DISTRICT'S ALREADY IN PROCESS.

AT WHAT POINT ARE THEY GRANDFATHERED UNDER THE EXISTING REGULATIONS AND WHEN DOES IT CHANGE WHAT WE MAY PROPOSE? AND THEN AS SOON AS THEY SUBMIT A PLAN TO WILL'S OFFICE, THEIR BEST, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'VE DONE THAT THEN.

OKAY.

OKAY.

YEP.

OKAY.

WELL, BUT AGAIN, AND I'M NOT JUST ASKING ABOUT THIS ONE, THIS ONE CIRCUMSTANCE, BECAUSE THERE COULD BE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT COME ALONG THAT HAVE THE, SOME, SOME OF THE SAME CHALLENGES TOO.

TO ME, THERE'S A, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT BETWEEN HAVING ONESY CARPORTS IN FRONT OF HOMES AND HAVING IN A COMMUNITY LIKE THAT, SOME BANKED CAR PORTS NEARBY, UH, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD, UM, ACCOUNT FOR THAT AND LEAVE ROOM FOR THAT? WELL, I THINK, I DUNNO, I'D, SINCE THE LOOK OF THIS AS A SINGLE FAMILY, I'D STILL LIKE TO SEE THE ENCLOSED SPACE PERSONALLY.

AND IF THEY ASKED FOR A VARIANCE, I MEAN, WE COULD LOOK AT THAT, BUT THEY CAN'T ALWAYS ASK.

YEAH.

I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

THAT'S WE ARE EXISTING MULTI-FAMILY REGULATIONS.

THEY ALMOST NEVER GO STRAIGHT ZONING ANYWAY.

OKAY.

TRUE.

OKAY.

WELL, I'M GOOD WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE.

UM, I WOULD NOT WANT TO GO AUTOMATICALLY FROM THE STARTING GATE TO SAY, OH, WE CAN LET THEM GO HIGHER IN THREE-STORY BECAUSE THE WHOLE POINT OF HORIZONTAL MULTIFAMILY IT'S A DIFFERENT LOOK.

AND THAT WOULD COMPLETELY, THAT WOULD BE MUCH MORE LIKE APARTMENTS THAN WHAT THESE ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE.

SO I WOULD OBJECT TO THAT.

SO I'M HAPPY WITH, WITH THE WAY IT IS.

I WAS STRIKING THE ROOF PITCH REQUIREMENT.

YEP.

SOUNDS GOOD.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

UM,

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WE'LL TAKE THAT AND WORK ON AN ORDINANCE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND BRING THAT BACK TO THE FULL COUNCIL AT, UH, THE NEXT, UH, COMMITTEE.

SOUNDS GOOD.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

OUR NEXT ITEM FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION IS COVERED PARKING SPEAKING OF WHICH YES.

PERFECT SEGUE.

HERE WE GO.

OKAY.

REALLY JUST HAVE TWO SLIDES HERE, UM, COMMITTEE, AND, UH, JUST A BRIEF REMINDER OF WHAT THE GDC IS.

CURRENT REQUIREMENTS ARE, UM, FOR MULTI-FAMILY PARKING, OF COURSE, THESE ARE THE ACTUAL RATIOS, UM, NUMBER OF SPACES PER, UM, YOU KNOW, BEDROOM TYPE, UH, ONE BED EFFICIENCY, ONE BEDROOM, TWO PLUS BEDROOMS. UM, AND OF COURSE THE COVERED PARKING REQUIREMENT IS SIMPLY AT LEAST 50% TO BE COVERED.

UM, AND I JUST ADD A LITTLE COMMENTARY THERE THAT COVERED BY COVERED PARKING THAT CAN BE PROVIDED, UH, VIA CARPORTS OR GARAGES ORDER TO MEET THAT 50%.

AND SO JUST SERVING, UH, JUST KIND OF A BRIEF SURVEY OF SOME OTHER CITIES IN THE REGION.

UM, THE CITIES OF PLANO RALPH AT DENTON AND FARMER'S BRANCH DO NOT REQUIRE COVERED PARKING FOR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.

UM, ALTHOUGH OBSERVED, UM, IN DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, THE RDC, BY THE WAY, RIGHT.

RELAT DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, MULTI-STORY PARKING GARAGES ARE QUOTE, STRONGLY ENCOURAGED.

UM, AND THEN RICHARDSON, A MUSKIE HAD ACTUALLY HAD THE SAME, UH, 50% COVERED PARKING REQUIREMENT AS GARLAND, UM, RICHARDSON KIND OF WORDS.

THERE'S IN A WAY THAT SAYS ONE HALF OF UNITS SHALL BE COVERED, BUT IT'S, IT'S 50%, OF COURSE.

UM, SO THAT'S JUST OBVIOUSLY SMALL SAMPLE OF CITIES, BUT JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT, UM, KIND OF A MIXED BAG THERE.

SO, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL OPEN IT BACK UP FOR DISCUSSION.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? WHAT ARE WE? YES.

UH, WILL, DID YOU, UM, SURVEY ANY PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES AS FAR AS THE PERCENTAGES OF THEIR COVERED PARKING SPACES THAT ARE UTILIZED? UH, NO, SIR.

I DID NOT.

UM, IF THE COMMITTEE DIRECTS OR WOULD LIKE STAFF TO GO BACK AND, UM, REACH OUT, I DO RECALL MR. BARKER EARLIER THIS YEAR HAD REACHED OUT TO ONE OR TWO, UM, THAT WAS KIND OF A SMALL SURVEY OF THEM, UH, KIND OF, I THINK IN THE MANSION'S SH ONE 90 AREA.

UM, BUT YEAH, IF, IF NEEDED, WE CAN CERTAINLY GO BACK AND KIND OF CONTINUE THAT EFFORT.

YEAH.

CAUSE I, I FEEL THAT IN ADDITION TO DOING WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR NEIGHBORS ARE DOING, WE NEED TO ALSO CONSIDER WHAT THE MARKET ACTUALLY NEEDS, YOU KNOW, AND THE FEEDBACK THAT I'VE RECEIVED FROM THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES IS THAT THEY DON'T FEEL THAT THE COVERED PARKING IS UTILIZED.

I MEAN, AND IF IT'S, IF IT'S SOMETHING AND IT'S NOT BEING USED, THEN IT'S JUST, IT'S A WASTE OF, OF EVERYTHING, RIGHT? IT'S A WASTE OF RESOURCES.

IT'S A, IT'S A WASTE OF MONEY.

IT'S A WASTE OF US MAKING RULES THAT AREN'T, THAT DON'T HAVE A FUNCTION.

SO I THINK I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE MARKET SAYS ABOUT THAT.

YEAH.

AND WE DID, I GUESS SPEAKING TO MARKET, WE, WE DID OF COURSE HEAR FROM THE TRUE MOUNTAIN GROUP, UH, NEAR THE FIRE WHEEL TOWN CENTER.

THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR REASONS FOR THE DEVIATION FOR COVERED PARKING IS THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE UTILIZED.

THEY FELT SOMETHING MORE LIKE 25 OR 20% OR LESS SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT THIS UP.

YES, SIR.

YEP.

AND OF COURSE WE DO HAVE A MULTI-FAMILY CASE ON, UM, Y'ALL'S AGENDA TOMORROW NIGHT.

THAT'S ALSO REQUESTING INDICATION FOR COVERED PARKING THAT HAD A LITTLE MORE TO DO WITH PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS, BUT, UM, YEAH, JUST OKAY.

ANOTHER ONE AS WELL.

SO, UM, SO THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND US AND SOME OF THE, OUR SISTER CITIES REQUIRING COVERED PARKING, UM, I'M TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN HERE REALLY OLD BESIDES ME, BUT NO.

UM, I AM ASSUMING THAT THIS WAS, UM, THIS WAS CONSIDERED TO BE PREFERENTIAL FOR PEOPLE TO KEEP THEIR CARS COOL, TO PROTECT FROM HAIL THINGS LIKE THAT.

THE QUESTION IS I ACTUALLY HAD SOMEBODY WHO LIVES JUST NORTH OF THE BORDER FROM YOUR DISTRICT WHO DROPPED BY MY OFFICE THE OTHER DAY AND WAS, WAS SAYING THAT, UM, THE, A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS AT, I FORGET THE NAME OF THE, UM, OF THE DEVELOPMENT THERE, BECAUSE THEY ARE CHARGED EVERY MONTH FOR PARKING.

A LOT OF THEM GO NORTH OF THE BORDER, INTO SAXY TO HIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND PARK IT OUT.

SO THE BIG ISSUE, YOU KNOW, THE, MY QUESTION WOULD BE NOT JUST HOW MANY OF THE COVERED SPACES ARE USED, BUT ARE THEY CHARGED FOR, AND IF THEY'RE CHARGED FOR HOW MUCH ARE THEY, I WOULD KIND OF LIKE TO KNOW.

AND ACTUALLY RICK, RICK HAD BEEN WORKING ON OR JUDD.

YOU WERE WORKING ON THAT.

SORRY, IT WASN'T RICK.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU, DID YOU ALREADY GET FEEDBACK ON, I GOT SOME FROM RICK, UH, CAUSE THEY WANT TO OBSERVE IT FOR A WEEK OR SO

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DO YOU HAVE INPUT? YOU COULD SHARE NOW.

YEAH.

THE, UM, SO THE, WELL AT LEAST THE, I GUESS, YEAH, SO THE, THE QUESTION CAME UP IF A COMPLEX IS CHARGING FOR PARKING, UM, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE COMPLEX AND NEIGHBOR AND NEIGHBORHOODS, WE'VE HAD THE SAME COMPLAINT, UH, FROM SOME COMPLEXES OFF OF NAME AND SCHOOL TOO, AT THIS PARTICULAR ONE.

THEY, SO THE, THE, THE RUMOR WAS THAT THEY WERE CHARGING FOR SPACES SEPARATE FROM LIKE FOR ANY SPACE, UH, THAT WASN'T TRUE.

THEY DO CHARGE FOR COVERED IN GARAGE SPACES, WHICH IS, WE'VE HEARD THAT FROM SOME OTHER COMPLEXES TOO, UM, THAT MAY HAVE AN IMPACT ON KIND OF WHAT YOU TAUGHT, WHAT YOU DECIDE WITH COVERED PARKING, IF THEY'RE CHARGING FOR IT AND IT'S NOT GETTING USED, THEN THOSE ARE JUST UNUSED SPACES.

UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, IF THERE'S NOT, UH, IF THERE'S NOT AVAILABLE, PARKING IT SPILLS OFF INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS OR PUBLIC STREETS NEARBY.

UM, IRONICALLY, WHEN THE, WHEN CODE WENT OUT TO THIS PARTICULAR COMPLEX, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE ALWAYS HAD NO PARKING SIGNS UP, BUT THERE WERE NO PARKING SIGNS ON THE PUBLIC STREET, UM, ACROSS BUNKER HILL.

UH, SO THERE WEREN'T CARS PARKED THERE, BUT THAT MAY BE BECAUSE THEY PUT THE NO PARKING SIGNS OUT.

SO ANYWAYS, THERE'S, IT'S PARKING, PARKING IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE, RIGHT.

UM, ANYWAYS, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE OBSERVING IN THE MARKET IS THAT THEY'RE CHARGING FOR COVERED OR GARAGE SPACES AND, UH, THAT'S HAVING AN IMPACT ON PARKING OVERALL.

SO AGAIN, I THINK IT FACTORS INTO THE DISCUSSION YOU'RE HAVING HERE.

IT REALLY DOES.

SO YEAH, WITH, WITH THE, THE SEXY RESIDENT WHO CAME IN AND TALKED ABOUT THAT, IT WAS, HE WAS CONCERNED MORE ABOUT HIS RESIDENTIAL STREETS IN HIS NEIGHBORHOOD BEING PARKED OUT.

CAUSE THEY HAVE WATCHED THE PEOPLE PARK ON THEIR STREET AND THEN WALK ACROSS AND GO INTO THE COMPLEX.

SO, UM, IN, IN OBSERVING IT FOR A FEW DAYS, DID THERE APPEAR TO BE LOTS OF AMPLE FREE SPACES OR WERE THEY ALL FULL? UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WERE MOSTLY FULL, UM, BUT THERE WERE COVERED SPACES THAT WERE NOT FULL.

YEAH.

SO THEY, THEY STILL HAD AVAILABLE SPACES THAT YOU COULD PURCHASE OR LEASE SAY.

YEAH.

I THINK THAT THEY ALL CHARGED FOR COVERED PARKING NOW FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD.

AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT'S WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THIS.

RIGHT.

I MEAN, CAUSE I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN FORCE THE APARTMENT NOT TO CHARGE FOR THEM.

I MEAN, IF THAT WERE THE CASE, THEN THEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE PARKING.

RIGHT.

BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN DO THAT.

CAN WE? YEAH.

SO, OH, WE CANNOT.

YEAH.

THIS JUST SOMEBODY VOICES HEARD.

YEAH.

SO I WOULD, UH, YEAH, IT'S, UH, I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE ON THIS PATH OF, YOU KNOW, SEEING IF IT'S REALLY SOMETHING WE NEED OR NOT.

CAUSE I THINK THAT'S JUST, I THINK NO MATTER WHERE WE LOOK, WE'RE GOING TO FIND IT, YOU KNOW, THEY CHARGE FOR THE COVERED PARKING.

IT'S NOT UTILIZED AND THEREFORE WE HAVE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

SO WE'RE REQUIRING THEM TO HAVE THESE PARKING SPACES, BUT THEY'RE NOT BEING USED.

SO IT'S NOT REALLY, IT'S NOT BENEFITING ANYTHING.

AND THOSE PARKING SPACES GO INTO OUR PERCENTAGE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE WE ASSUME THAT THEY WILL BE USED AND THAT THERE'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR USE, BUT THE FINANCES ARE AN OBSTACLE TO THEY'RE BEING USED.

AND IF WE CAN'T, IF WE CAN'T STOP THEM FROM CHARGING FOR THEM, THEN THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO IS TO NOT REQUIRE THEM TO BEGIN WITH.

RIGHT.

YEP.

OKAY.

YEAH.

SO IF THE COMMITTEE WANTS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE STAFF GO AND EXPLORE.

I I'D SAY IT'S MOSTLY ON THE NEWER COMPLEXES THAT WE, THAT HAVE WELL FOR ONE COVERED PARKING, BUT TO CHARGE FOR IT.

IF WE PICK A DOZEN OR SO OF THE NEWER COMPLEXES THROUGHOUT THE CITY, JUST GET A SAMPLE OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY COVERED PARKING SPACES ARE THERE, HOW MANY ARE LEASED UP? UM, WHAT'S THEIR OVERALL PARKING SITUATION, UH, THAT MIGHT GIVE US SOME GOOD DATA TO HELP GUIDE THE DECISION HERE.

YEAH.

I LIKE THAT.

THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S ALL GOOD INFORMATION.

YEAH.

EVEN JUST THE SAMPLING YOU GAVE US FROM THAT ONE, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE I'M BLANKING THE MAIN AT ONE 30.

YEAH.

YEAH.

EVEN THAT TO ME IS, IS TELLING IF, IF CHARGING FOR COVERED PARKING IS CAUSING PEOPLE TO GO PARK ON THE STREET, IF THEY CAN, OR IN NEIGHBORHOODS, THEN WE'RE NOT DOING A REALLY RIGHTEOUS THING BY, BY CONTINUING TO REQUIRE IT.

BUT, UM, SO MR. CHAIR, WOULD, WOULD YOU PREFER TO GET THE ADDITIONAL DATA BEFORE MAKING A DECISION ON THIS OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE WE KIND OF, I HAVE MY OWN OPINION ON THAT.

I WOULD RATHER JUST ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT COMPLETELY.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE OFTEN ARGUE ABOUT WITH DEVELOPERS, WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO PUT STONE CLADDING ON IT OR NOT.

WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS ENOUGH SPACE IN THE PARKING SPOT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SQUEEZE IT DOWN TO PROVIDE

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FOR A COLUMN WHEN A SEVEN FOOT WIDE OR NINE FOOT WIDE PARKING SPACE WITH A COLUMN, IT MAKES IT EIGHT FOOT WIDE.

NOW NARROW DOORS GET DEEMED, YOU SEE SEVERAL OF THE OTHER STUDIES CITIES UP THERE ALREADY DO NOT REQUIRE THE COVERED PARKING.

I THINK IT'S LET THE MARKET, LET THEM, IF THEY WANT TO PROVIDE CARPORTS AS AN AMENITY FOR THEIR RESIDENTS, THEN THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO SO WITHOUT US REGULATING IT.

SO I'M HAPPY JUST TO ELIMINATE IT COMPLETELY FROM OUR, OUR GDC.

YEAH.

I I'M HAPPY WITH THAT AS WELL.

YEAH.

I MEAN, PERSONALLY I THINK ANY INFORMATION WE GET IS JUST GOING TO GO THAT SAME DIRECTION.

I THINK.

SO IF THERE'S NO OPPOSITION HERE, THEN THERE'S NO REASON TO GET THE DATA, BUT MAYBE, MAYBE WE NEED THE DATA FOR PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL.

AND THAT WAS MY ONLY THOUGHT, YEAH, I AM ALSO READY TO SAY, GO WITH THIS AND JUST ELIMINATE IT.

BUT IF WE NEED TO CONVINCE THE REST OF CAMPUS, MY OPINION IS COMES LARGELY FROM WHAT HAPPENED IN THE MANSIONS.

THERE'S TWO THERE THAT HAVE COVERED PARKING.

ONE HAS STRUCTURED PARKING.

THE ONE WITH STRUCTURED PARKING HAS A LOT MORE AVAILABLE PARKING SPACES AND DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE A PARKING ISSUE WHILE THE OTHER TWO MAY OR MAY NOT DEBATABLE WHICH WAY YOU WANT TO READ THE DATA, BUT IT'S, I'M FINE.

UM, I MEAN, JUST JUDGING FROM WHAT'S HAPPENED IN MY DISTRICT.

I'M READY TO JUST ELIMINATE IT RIGHT NOW.

YUP.

YUP.

GOOD.

YEP.

LET'S SAVE YOU A LOT OF WORK.

YES.

THANK YOU.

RICK SAYS THANK YOU.

YEAH.

WELL I THINK WE SHOULD STILL HAVE, HAVE IT READY FOR COUNCIL THOUGH? YEAH, WE, WE COULD, WELL, WE CAN DO WHAT THEY GOT FROM THE MANCHESTER DOMAINS.

OKAY.

WE HAVEN'T GOT IT.

OKAY.

IF WE'VE GOT ANYTHING TO TELL THEM AT ALL, THEN I THINK THEY'LL SEE WHERE, WHAT, WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.

I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION TO COUNSEL AND MAKE THE CASE FOR IT.

YOU WANT THAT ON THE NEXT WORK SESSION? IF WE COULD PLEASE.

YES.

YUP.

AND THAT'LL, THAT WILL MAKE SOMEWHAT EASIER.

THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION ABOUT THIS IS RALPH HAS THIS STRONGLY ENCOURAGED, STRUCTURED PARKING IS HARD TO DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE LARGER DEVELOPMENTS TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT KIND OF EXPENSE IN A STRUCTURED PARKING GARAGE? UH, I MEAN WE COULD PUT SOME LANGUAGE LIKE THAT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER BASED UPON WHAT THE DEVELOPER CAN FIT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY USE THAT.

I REALLY DON'T KNOW.

I DIDN'T SPEAK TO HIM ON STAFF THERE, BUT I NOTICED THAT RALPH HAD ACTUALLY REQUIRES PDS FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AT WELL MORE SPECIFICALLY, ANY MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT OVER 25, 8 25 UNITS, WHICH IS GOING TO BE JUST ABOUT ALL OF THEM.

UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY USE THAT KIND OF STRONGLY ENCOURAGES AS A POSSIBLE PD OR LAEL LEVERAGE TOOL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT I'M JUST, JUST WANT TO ADD THAT.

SO, HMM.

OKAY.

IT'S OBVIOUSLY BEING STRONGLY ENCOURAGED.

IT'S NOT A HARD REQUIREMENT, BUT I WONDER IF THAT'S SOMETHING THEY MIGHT USE AS PART OF THEIR PD DISCUSSIONS OR SOMETHING OR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

I'VE HAD PROJECTS WHERE IN OTHER CITIES THAT LANGUAGE I GET STRONGLY ENCOURAGED AND THAT MEANS MANDATORY IN THEIR PDS.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LIKE THAT OR NOT, BUT UH, SOME OTHER CITIES I'VE HAD PROJECTS IN THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT I'M FINE WITH LEAVING THAT OUT AND THEN LET THE DEVELOPER COME UP WITH THEIR OWN PARKING SCHEME AND, AND ELIMINATING THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.

SO THE CARPORT REQUIREMENT.

YES.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE'LL MAKE THAT A PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL THEN ON OUR NEXT WORK SESSION.

SO THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.

SO THE JULY 18TH DEVELOPMENT SERVICE COMMITTEE MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU.

AND WE HAVE OUR FIRST, UH,