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ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE READY, RENEE.

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OKAY.

[Administrative Services Committee on September 20, 2022.]

LET ME KNOW.

WE'RE READY.

OKAY.

LET'S SEE.

ALL RIGHT.

IT IS 2:00 PM AND SEPTEMBER 20TH, 2022.

WELCOME TO THE GARLAND CITY'S COUNCIL'S ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES COMMITTEE MEETING CHAIRMAN ROBERT SMITH, UH, WITH ME, OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, DEBORAH MORRIS AND DYLAN HEDRICK.

PARDON ME? MAYOR PROTE MORRIS.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, I WANNA SAY FIRST ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY BRIAN ENGLAND, BUT I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S CITY ATTORNEY BRIAN ENGLAND, TO BE HONEST, IT WAS A GOOD JOB, RIGHT.

SOMEBODY ELSE WHO HAD TO PUT UP WITH COUNSEL AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD JUST WORK FOR A LIVING I'M SURE.

AND TWAIN DUCKWORTH HAS JOINED US AS WELL.

I FEEL LIKE IT'S MORE FUN WHEN I GET TO ANNOUNCE PEOPLE COMING IN IT'S IT'S MAKES ME FEEL MORE FORMAL.

I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S GOOD TIMES.

ALL RIGHT.

LET'S START WITH THE AGENDA APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

UH, I ASSUME EVERYBODY'S READ THE MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 16TH MEETING.

UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR? I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES.

ALL RIGHT.

SECOND.

UH, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PERTON MORRIS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER, HEDRICK HALL IN FAVOR.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED HEARING NOTHING.

THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, A PUBLIC COMMENTS.

UH, DON'T SEE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WITH US TODAY FOR THE 40TH MEETING IN A ROW.

BUT IF SOMEBODY DOES COME, UH, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO HEAR FROM 'EM AT ANY TIME.

ITEM TWO B FINALIZED COUNCIL POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS BY POLICY.

THE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES COMMITTEE IS TASKED WITH REVIEWING THE CITY COUNCIL'S POLICIES ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

PROPOSED CHANGES ARE FORWARDED TO THE FULL COUNCIL FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.

UH, HOPEFULLY, UH, MEMBERS.

THIS WILL BE OUR LAST DAY TO LOOK AT THIS SO WE CAN GET THIS BACK TO THE COUNCIL HERE, HERE OH, OKAY.

IT WAS LIKE SOMEBODY'S KNOCKING.

THERE WE GO.

GUYS.

I WOKE UP LIKE 45 MINUTES AGO.

SO BEAR WITH ME HERE.

I'M A LITTLE SLOW.

UM, OKAY.

MR. CITY ATTORNEY.

YES, SIR.

HELP US THROUGH THIS.

WELL, THE, THE DOCUMENT I HANDED Y'ALL IS ADDRESSING, UM, UH, DYLAN, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, HEDRICK'S COMMENTS.

UM, AND SO YOU'LL SEE MY COMMENTS.

AND SO WE CAN DO THIS ONE OR TWO WAY.

YOU CAN TELL ME WHICH ONE, WHAT SECTION DID Y'ALL WANT TO HIT, OR WE CAN JUST GO BACK THROUGH AND SEE WHERE THE RED LINES ARE.

SOME OF THESE RED LINES ARE RED LINES THAT WERE HERE LAST TIME.

AND SO I CAN JUST SKIP OVER THOSE AND I CAN TELL YOU WHERE I'M SKIPPING OVER 'EM CAUSE WE'VE ADDRESSED.

'EM ALREADY.

UM, BUT SOME ARE NEW, UM, THAT I MADE EITHER BECAUSE OF, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER HEDRICK'S COMMENTS OR, UM, AND THERE'S ALSO SOME POINTS OF QUESTION ABOUT BE BASED ON HIS COMMENTS OF WHETHER OR NOT Y'ALL LEAVE THE LANGUAGE AS IT IS.

CAUSE HE MAKES SOME GOOD POINTS ABOUT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PROVISIONS THAT THEY PROBABLY AREN'T NECESSARY.

THEY'RE THEY'RE DUPLICATIVE.

UM, UM, AND SO THERE'S SOME PROVISIONS IN HERE THAT WE PROBABLY COULD REMOVE.

UM, AND I THINK HE FOUND A COUPLE, TWO OR THREE OF THOSE ACTUALLY, SO, OKAY.

MIKES ARE OPEN.

UH, LET'S JUST DO THIS AS A GROUP DISCUSSION.

DON'T WAIT ON ME.

CHAIRMAN, MAY I MAKE A GENERAL COMMENT JUST FOLLOWING UP ON MR. ENGLAND, AS MANY AS YOU'D LIKE, SIR.

SURE.

JUST WHAT I WENT THROUGH AND I SAW A LOT OF DUPLICATION ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY CHARTER OR ORDINANCE OR ELSEWHERE.

I FEEL LIKE DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN THIS POLICY DOCUMENT WAS A LOT, ESPECIALLY IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE DOCUMENT PERTAINS TO RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CITY MANAGER AND STAFF RATHER THAN COUNCIL.

AND IF WE COULD TAKE OUT, REMOVE STREAMLINE THIS DOCUMENT, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE IT A BETTER DOCUMENT.

VERY GOOD.

IS EVERYBODY GOOD? TAKING THIS JUST TOP DOWN AND RUN THROUGH ALL THE RED LINES AND STOP AND DEAL THINGS AS WE NEED? YEP.

OKAY, GO AHEAD, SIR.

UH, THE FIRST CHANGE IS ON PAGE TWO AND THIS IS THE ONE WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME AND IT BASICALLY JUST ADDS THE POSITION OF DEPUTY MAYOR PROTE AND THE EVENT THAT ONE HAS BEEN APPOINTED.

UM, OFTENTIMES THE COURSE Y'ALL, AS Y'ALL ARE AWARE, WE DO NOT HAVE A DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEAM.

CURRENTLY WE DO THOUGH THE NEXT CHANGE SKIPPING ON TO PAGE SEVEN AND I BELIEVE I GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED WITH THE RED LINES, BUT I BELIEVE THIS IS COUNCIL MEMBER HEDRICK'S CHANGE IN E OR IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THE COMMITTEE HAD ME CHANGE THE LAST TIME.

AND I'M JUST GETTING CONFUSED WAS YEAH, IT WAS YOURS.

OKAY.

AND, AND THE WAY I WAS READING THE CHANGE WAS BASICALLY THAT IT'S A PRACTICAL CHANGE.

IT'S A CHANGE THAT ADDRESSES WHAT HAPPENS IN THE REAL WORLD VERSUS WHAT HAPPENS.

UM, WHAT'S WHAT COULD HAPPEN ELECTRONICALLY BASED ON THE TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE, OF COURSE, AS Y'ALL, AS Y'ALL KNOW, WE HAVE AN ELECTRONIC SYSTEM THAT SOMETIMES WORKS AND SOMETIMES DOESN'T, BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT THE PRACTICE IN THE TRADITION OF COUNCIL'S BEEN TO, WHEN YOU SECOND, A MOTION, JUST TO SAY SECOND, AND THEN THE MAYOR, UM, OR CHAIR THEN, UM, CALLS ON THE PERSON WHO, UM, MADE THE VOCAL MOTION.

AND SO I LIKE HIS CHANGES, BUT THAT'S REALLY Y'ALL'S CALL IF Y'ALL LIKE HIS CHANGES.

I LIKE HIM.

YEAH.

IT'S GOOD.

CLEAN UP.

OKAY.

MIGHT AS WELL REFLECT REALITY.

IT'S BEEN,

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IT IS REALITY SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.

I LIKE MY CHANGES, SO YEAH, YEAH.

THAT ONE JUST BECAUSE, I MEAN, IT ALWAYS, EVEN ROBERT GEORGE'S ORDERS SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO BE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR PERIOD, NO MATTER WHAT METHOD.

SO YEAH, VERY GOOD.

AND THE SAME WITH, UM, IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE NEXT ONE, IT'S THE SAME, HE'S MAKING THE SAME COMMENT ON SUBSECTION THREE.

THERE, I CAN CHANGE THAT LANGUAGE TO REFLECT BASICALLY WHAT E IS SAYING ABOVE THAT.

IT'S THE FIRST PERSON WHO WISHES TO SECOND, THE MOTION TO SAY IT.

UM, HE'LL BE, WHO'S EVER APPROPRIATELY AD, UM, RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR, UM, WILL HAVE THE FLOOR.

AND I THINK LORI TRIED TO GET US TO USE THE ELECTRONIC SECONDS.

MM-HMM THAT LASTED ALL TWO MINUTES.

SO YEAH.

YEAH.

IT JUST, I THINK REALITY IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I THINK WE WOULD LIKE HALF THE FUN OF THIS JOB IS YELLING OUT SECOND.

I JUST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T GET TO DO THAT, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? I ENJOY THE RACE.

IT'S GOOD.

YEAH.

THIS MR. CHAIRMAN IS D THIS WILL BE YOUR CALL.

I WANTED TO RAISE A, A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, THAT I HAD DISCUSSED WITH YOU UNDER MINUTES, WHICH IS NOT REDLINED.

SO DO YOU WANT HOLD THAT TO THE END, AFTER WE GO THROUGH ALL THE RED LINE SECTIONS? NO, I'LL DO IT WHILE WE'RE HERE.

OKAY.

WHAT SECTION ARE WE IN? OKAY.

IT WOULD BE SECTION TWO.

UM, ITEM J SECTION TWO OF PAGE FOUR.

YES.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD GONE BACK AND FORTH ABOUT TO RECORD OR NOT TO RECORD CIVIL SERVICE PROCEEDINGS MM-HMM AND KIND OF, WEREN'T THRILLED WITH NOT RECORDING AND WEREN'T THRILLED WITH RECORDING AND PUBLISHING, BUT IN LOOKING AT THIS SECTION WITH MINUTES AND, UH, J TWO RECORDING OF MEETINGS, UM, WHAT THIS SAYS IS AUDIO AND OR VISUAL RECORDINGS OF PROCEEDINGS, OTHER THAN EXECUTIVE SESSION PROCEEDINGS ARE MAINTAINED BY THE CITY SECRETARY AS REQUIRED BY LAW AUDIO RECORDINGS OF EXECUTIVE SESSION PROCEEDINGS SHALL BE MAINTAINED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.

I WOULD LOVE TO PUT CIVIL SERVICE PROCEEDINGS IN THE AUDIO RECORDING JUST LIKE EXECUTIVE SESSION TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.

I THINK THAT'S A, A KIND OF SPLITTING THE DIFFERENCE AND IT'S A SAFETY FOR US AS WELL TO, WE'RE NOT HIDING ANYTHING.

IT IS A PUBLIC PROCEEDING RECORDING IS MADE, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA PUBLISH IT.

AND IT KEEPS THAT DATA WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHICH MAY BE VERY, VERY INTERESTED IN CIVIL SERVICE HEARINGS.

SO I'M, I'M FINE WITH THIS.

OKAY, GOOD.

GOOD.

OKAY.

GOOD.

ALL RIGHT, THANKS.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE'RE HEADING BACK INTO PAGE EIGHT NOW, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

AND THEN, UM, ON PAGE EIGHT, SUBSECTION H THERE, IT JUST CLARIFIES THAT SUBSECTION H IS ADDRESSING MOTIONS TO AMEND A MOTION VERSUS I, WHICH IS FLOOR AMENDMENTS.

AND OF COURSE, FLOOR AMENDMENTS ARE THE AMENDMENTS THAT HAPPEN AFTER COUNCIL HAS MET, WHETHER IT'S IN A PREVIOUS REGULAR SESSION, BUT MOST LIKELY A, UH, WORK SESSION WHERE THEY'VE COME TO A CONSENSUS, A INFORMAL CONSENSUS ABOUT AN ITEM THEY'VE ORDERED IT TO THE REGULAR MEETING, AND THEN IT GETS TO THE REGULAR MEETING AND THEN A COUNCIL MEMBER, WHILE IT'S ON THE WANTS TO MAKE A FLOOR AMENDMENT, WHICH IT WOULD BE A SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE.

UM, THEN Y'ALL ADDED IN SOME PROCEDURES THERE THAT PROTECT AGAINST IMMEDIATELY PASSING IT UNLESS YOU HAVE A, UM, UH, IT'S A TWO STEP PROCESS.

UM, BASICALLY, UM, IN THE EVENT, THE MOTION OF A FORWARD MEMBER RECEIVES A SECOND.

IT'S PASSED BY MAJORITY.

UM, THEN IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO IMMEDIATELY.

IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING.

SO Y'ALL HAVE A CHANCE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT Y'ALL JUST DID AND THEN THE NEXT MEETING VOTE ON IT OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE.

UM, IF YOU WISH TO, IF THE COUNCIL DESIRES TO WAIVE THAT TWO STEP PROCESS AND FOR SOME EITHER STATE LAW REASON, OR FOR SOME OTHER REASON WHERE THE ORDINANCE MUST BE PASSED THAT NIGHT, THEN Y'ALL CAN DO IT.

UM, UM, Y'ALL CAN ACTUALLY DO IT BY A MAJORITY OR A SUPER MAJORITY, I BELIEVE.

WHAT DID WE SAY HERE? UH, FIRST FEW THIRDS, TWO THIRDS.

YEAH.

A TWO THIRDS VOTE OF COUNCIL CAN ACTUALLY PASS IT THAT NIGHT.

IF IT RECEIVES A TWO THIRDS VOTE, ALL RIGHT.

WE'VE BEEN BATTING THESE IDEAS AROUND FOR, FOR MONTHS AND, AND NONE OF US ARE HAPPY WITH THEM STILL BIG CHANGE.

IT, IT IS.

IT IS.

AND WE, WE RECOGNIZE THAT.

I MEAN THE LAST SIX YEARS, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE HAD THIS IN PLACE TWICE.

EVERY OTHER VOTE JUST WOULD'VE BEEN ANNOYING.

MM-HMM SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE'S A DISCUSSION WHETHER WE LEAVE EVERYTHING ALONE, UH, WHETHER WE ADOPT THIS NEW LANGUAGE OR WE GO A DIFFERENT ROUTE, WHICH MIGHT BE TO, UM, DO EVERYTHING AS USUAL, BUT ALLOW FOR A PATH TO, TO DELAY FOR TWO WEEKS AGAIN,

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THAT HAS ITS OWN ISSUES.

SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SPLITTING THE DIFFERENCE OR A BETTER OPTION.

IT'S JUST TRADING OUT PROS AND CONS, UM, COMMENTS, JUMP IN.

I LIKE THE OPTION WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO ACT MORE QUICKLY IF WE NEED TO THERE'S A NECESSITY FOR SOME REASON, OR A DESIRE BY THE COUNSELOR TO DO SO.

I LIKE HAVING THAT TWO STEP OPTION AVAILABLE.

OKAY.

SO WOULD YOU PREFER A TWO STEP OPTION THAT DEFAULTS TO THE TWO WEEK DELAY OR THAT DEFAULTS TO, I, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A MOTION MADE TO BYPASS THE TWO WEEK DELAY, IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE IMMEDIATE.

UM, SO BASICALLY, RIGHT, RIGHT, EXACTLY.

IN THE RED LINE.

I MEAN, YES.

OKAY.

SO MY, MY ONLY QUESTION, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IS, UM, OR OTHER ITEM THAT COUNCIL HAS PREVIOUSLY DELIBERATED AND REACHED A CONSENSUS.

SO, UM, THAT ASSUMES, I ASSUME THAT WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY DELIBERATED AT A WORK SESSION.

WELL, MAYBE IT COULD HAVE MOST LIKELY AT A WORK SESSION.

I CAN'T THINK OF AN, IT COULD HAVE BEEN ACTUALLY SOMETHING Y'ALL OCCASIONALLY IT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN, MAYBE THREE OR FOUR TIMES IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, COUNCIL WILL ACTUALLY DELIBERATE AN ITEM IN THE REGULAR SESSION AFTER DOING IT AND THEN SETTING IT FOR THE NEXT SESSION.

SO OCCASIONALLY IT CARRIES OVER.

SO IT MAY MOST LIKELY IT'S THE WORK SESSION, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S THE REGULAR SESSION TO SIMPLIFY THAT.

WOULD YOU JUST WANNA SCRAP THAT ENTIRE CLAUSE? HEY, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, EVERYTHING WAITS TO, TO THE NEXT CONSENT AGENDA, IF IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL FLOOR AMENDMENT AMENDMENT, THIS PERIOD, WELL THAT'S WOULD SLOW THAT'S.

THAT WOULD BE EVERY ORDINANCE THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD SLOW EVERYTHING DOWN.

I MEAN, MOST OF THE STUFF COMES THROUGH CONSENT ANYWAY, BUT I MEAN, WE THINK ABOUT THE ACTUAL, THE NUMBER OF ACTUAL THINGS THAT WE PASS YOU MEAN? SO FOR EVERY ORDINANCE THAT COMES TO Y'ALL, IT HAS TO COME TO Y'ALL TWICE.

WE'RE TALKING FLOOR AMENDMENTS, RIGHT? ONLY WHEN THERE ARE FLOOR AMENDMENTS.

I DON'T KNOW.

I WOULDN'T WANNA HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING TWICE, BUT IF SOMEBODY BRINGS IN A CHANGE AT THE LAST MINUTE WHERE A MOTION IS MADE, AND THEN THERE'S A MOTION TO AMEND IT, THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN.

BUT AT LEAST TWICE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE THAT HAS HAD UGLY SURPRISES THAT WE HAVEN'T FOUND OUT ABOUT UNTIL DOWN THE ROAD.

YEAH.

SO THAT'S WHAT I, I WOULD LIKE THIS TO BE A, A SAFETY VALVE TO PREVENT LAST MINUTE.

IT'S NOT BEEN DISCUSSED WITH US BEFORE SWOOPING IN CHANGING IT, AND THEN WE HAVE TO VOTE RIGHT NOW.

YEAH.

WE TRY AND KILL.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET RID OF POISON PILL AMENDMENTS PERHAPS, RIGHT? YES.

SO IF IT'S A, BUT IF IT'S A FLOOR AMENDMENT YEAH.

WHICH DOESN'T HAPPEN OFTEN, THEN WE, IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY BE DELAYED TWO WEEKS UNLESS WE OVERWROTE IT.

HMM.

OKAY.

DOES THAT, DOES THAT, IS THAT DOABLE? YEAH.

I THINK MR. CHAIR, WERE YOU SUGGESTING THAT YOU, WE HANDLE EVERYTHING LIKE WE DO OUR ZONING CASES.

YEAH.

OKAY.

I GOT IT.

I'M TRYING TO SIMPLIFY THE OPERATIONS CUZ I KNOW THAT THERE'S GONNA BE CONFUSION ON THE DAIS, BUT DYLAN, WE HAD, WE ALWAYS HAVE AN OPTION IF THERE'S A POINT IN APPEAL TO VOTE.

NO.

I MEAN THAT SORT OF, AND MAKE AN ADDITIONAL MOTION TO REMOVE THAT.

YEAH.

PROBLEM IS WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW IT'S A POISON PILL.

EXACTLY.

THAT'S THE, THE TRICKY PART UNTIL EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO SLEEP ON IT AND GOES, HEY, HEY, HEY, WHAT ABOUT, WELL, I MEAN, HM HMM.

AND THIS IS WHY WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR THREE, FOUR MONTHS.

OKAY.

UM, SO WHAT I'M HEARING, LET ME SEE IF I CAN WRAP MY BRAIN AROUND THIS STILL EARLY FOR ME.

UM, IF THERE'S BEEN ANY SUBSTANTIAL FOR AMENDMENT, WE TRIGGER THE POLICY.

ONE QUESTION.

UM, SURE.

SUBSTANTIAL.

THAT'S I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT SUBSTANTIVE AS A SUBSTAN.

OKAY.

YEAH.

AS OPPOSED TO PERFECTING, RIGHT.

OKAY.

OH, IN SOMETIMES IT'S NOT EXACT.

YES.

SOMETIMES IT'S MORE ART AND SCIENCE MM-HMM BUT MOST OF THE TIME YOU CAN TELL A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, A FIX AND AN ORDINANCE.

THAT'S NOT SUBSTANTIVE THAT DOESN'T MAKE REALLY ANY IMPACT ON THE ORDINANCE.

UM, IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT ANYBODY'S PROPERTY RIGHTS.

IT'S NOT GONNA REALLY CHANGE MUCH.

IT'S JUST, MAYBE YOU DON'T LIKE IT WAY ONE SENTENCE IS WRITTEN, BUT IT'S GONNA STILL SAY THE SAME THING, BUT IT'S JUST WRITTEN POORLY.

OCCASIONALLY WE'LL HAVE AMENDMENTS LIKE THAT.

THAT'S NON TERMINATION MADE BY THE CHAIR.

UM, YEAH.

YEAH.

CAUSE IT DOESN'T SAY IN THERE, I MEAN THAT, THAT WAS MY YEAH.

ARGUMENT WITH THAT.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHO MAKES THAT DETERMINATION? WHAT IT IS OR NOT? I MEAN, IT'D BE AT THE CHAIR DECISION.

YEAH.

OKAY.

AND THANKFULLY WE'VE HAD GOOD CHAIRS, BUT OCCASIONALLY YOU DON'T.

AND THEN I ASSUME WHOEVER STUCK IN ASC

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AT THAT TIME WILL HAVE SOME WORK TO DO TYPICALLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THIS SUBSTANTIVE? BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS COME UP AFTER Y'ALL PASS ORDINANCES.

OCCASIONALLY WHERE WE SEE SOMETHING IN THE ORDINANCE IN MY OFFICE, WE'RE LIKE, OH, THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY MEANT.

AND I'LL GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE TAPE.

I LISTEN TO A CONVERSATION OR I MIGHT EVEN CALL WHOEVER MADE THE MOTION I GO, IS THIS WHAT YOU MEANT? YEAH.

UM, CUZ I NEED TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE I'M COVERING WHAT YOU MEANT.

AND SO OCCASIONALLY WE MAKE NON SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES IN THOSE ORDINANCES.

THIS IS JUST IN CASE THAT Y'ALL SEE IT BEFORE WE GET IT.

WE REVIEW IT THE NEXT DAY ANYWAY.

BUT UM, Y'ALL MIGHT CATCH IT UP ON THE HORSESHOE.

WELL, SINCE I'VE HAD STAFF VERY SPECIFICALLY SAY, WHY DOES COUNCIL NOT HAVE SOMETHING TO STOP SOMETHING LIKE THIS FROM HAPPENING? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A, A DECENT AND WORKABLE VERSION WHERE FLOOR AMENDMENTS CAN'T BE PUSHED THROUGH BY ONE PERSON KNOWING WHAT THEY'RE SAYING AND NONE OF THE REST OF US KNOWING UNTIL THE DAY OR TWO DAYS LATER THAT'S HAPPENED.

SO, AND WE CAN ALWAYS RECHANGE IT, BUT THIS, THIS MAKES SENSE.

UH, I WOULDN'T WANT IT TO BE A TWO STEP ON EVERY SINGLE THING FLOOR I'M I'M TRYING TO EVEN COUNT THE NUMBER OF FLOOR AMENDMENTS WE'VE HAD REAL TIME THAT HAVE EVEN COME UP AND IT DOES NOT HAPPEN OFTEN.

I THINK THE MOST COMMON ONE I'VE SEEN IS JUST AMENDING TIMES ON SUVS.

THAT SEEMS TO BE THE BIGGEST ONE.

AND THAT'S NOT SUBSTANTIVE.

WE GO TO, WE DO THE TWO STEP PROCESS ON THAT ANYWAY.

MM RIGHT.

OKAY.

YEAH.

OKAY.

HMM.

THOUGHTS? I STILL THINK YOU CAN ALWAYS VOTE KNOW IF YOU DON'T LIKE A MOTION BEING MADE.

YEAH.

I MEAN THAT THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR OPTION AND YOUR PREROGATIVE AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, VOTE AGAINST IT AND HAVE FIVE OTHERS JOIN OR FOUR OTHERS JOIN YOU.

YEAH.

THE PROBLEM IS RESEARCH AND TIME TO DIGEST IT.

AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE WAIT AND HOLD THESE LAST SECOND CURVE BALLS TO THROW AT YOU.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE TIME MM-HMM TO GO THROUGH RESEARCH.

AND I, I LIKE TO RESEARCH, I LIKE TO SIT BACK AND LET SOME THINGS DO.

UM, OKAY.

TWAIN, YOU GOT ANYTHING ON THIS ONE, BAIL US OUT OF THIS I MEAN, HAVING NOT PARTICIPATED IN MANY OF OUR MEETINGS HERE.

YEAH.

I THINK PRIMARILY IF YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, IF THERE'S ANY PREDICATE FOR THE LAW AMENDMENT BEING BASED UPON SOMETHING THAT'S OF AN URGENT OR EMERGENT NATURE OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, IF YOU PUT IN SOME SORT OF QUALIFIERS AS TO WHEN THEY CAN BE APPLIED, THAT MIGHT ALSO HELP BECAUSE THAT'LL, THAT'LL TAKE CARE OF THE, UH, THE, HOW SHALL WE SAY THE PER I'M GONNA USE YOUR WORDS.

THE PERSON WAS HOLDING IT AS A CURVE BALL AS THE LAST SECOND FOR THE INTENT OF NOT BEING ABLE TO ALLOW THAT ROOT, THAT, UM, THAT RUMINATION OVER THE ACTUAL SUBJECT MATTER.

IF, IF THERE'S NO IMMEDIATE URGENT C TO IT, THEN NO, CAN'T COME AS A FLOOR MINUTE.

SO YOU COULD PUT SOME SORT OF QUALIFICATIONS ON THAT.

THAT MIGHT ALSO HELP CUZ THERE'S TIMES WHERE IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, BUT THEN THERE'S TIMES WHEN IT'S NOT.

YEAH.

AND THE PROBLEM IS, IS IF YOU THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER, THEN YOU NEVER GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE IT WHEN YOU NEED TO, BUT JUST 2 CENTS.

ALL RIGHT.

LET'S MOVE ON AND COME BACK TO THIS.

OKAY.

CHANGED, UH, ADDED LETTER K CHANGED FROM J TO K ON THE NEXT PAGE ON NINE.

UM, YOU GO TO C WE HAD SOME COMMENTS, UM, COUNCILMAN HEDRICK HAD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT, UM, WHY THE RESTRICTION ON THE NUMBER.

AND I THINK HIS COMMENT WAS BASED ON THE VERSION THAT I PRESENT AT THE LAST MEETING AND NOT ON THE CURRENT VERSION.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE CONCURRENT VERSION, I PUT IN A PROVISION THAT SAYS, HOWEVER, THE MAYOR MAY ALLOW A COUNCIL MEMBER TO REMOTELY ATTEND ADDITIONAL MEETINGS FOR GOOD CAUSE MM-HMM .

AND I THINK THE GOAL HERE IS TO, TO INDICATE THAT WE DON'T WANT A COUNCIL MEMBER TO ABUSE THE PRIVILEGE THAT IT REALLY SHOULD JUST BE USED IN AN EMERGENCY, BUT IT OPENS THE DOOR TO THE, TO THE CHAIR ALLOWING, UM, GREATER USE OF IT.

IS THAT, I MEAN, IF I WAS BEING HONEST, I'D TAKE IT OUT COMPLETELY.

I'VE SEEN, UH, I'VE DEALT WITH DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION COUNCIL WITH REMOTE MEMBERS AND THERE ARE SO MANY TECHNOLOGY PROBLEMS AND YOU CAN'T HEAR AND IT'S JUST A NIGHTMARE.

, I'D RATHER HAVE EVERYONE IN PERSON.

I KNOW WE ALL GOT COMFORTABLE DUE TO THE PANDEMIC OF USING THAT, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE REALLY I'D REMOVE THE WHOLE THING, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MY OPINION, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT, THEN I COULD SEE AN INSTANCE WHERE YOU MIGHT NEED TO

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DO IT TWICE IN A YEAR.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UM, AND WE'RE STILL GOOD WITH MEMBERS OF BOARD'S COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT UNDER THE SHOT GLOCK AND UH, IN, IN A WAY THAT WOULDN'T COME TO US ANYWAY, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL GOOD WITH THEM BEING RESTRICTED FROM THAT REMOTE ATTENDANCE, PARTLY DUE TO THAT.

PARTLY DUE TO THE STAFFING REQUIREMENTS.

YEAH.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

KEEP IT IN OR IT IN, KEEP IT IN.

OKAY.

THEN THE NEXT ONE IS GOING BACK A FEW PAGES TO PAGE 14.

UM, OKAY.

THIS WAS, UM, COUNCILMAN, UM, UM, HEDRICK MADE THE, THE COMMENT, WHAT DOES REASONABLE EFFORTS MEAN? AND HE ALSO MEANT AT THE LAST MEETING, HE ALSO SAID, DO YOU MEAN EFFORTS OR EFFORT? AND SO I CHANGED IT IN THIS DRAFT TO SAY EFFORT.

SO YOU MAKE IT ONE TIME.

AND THE COMMITTEE PRIOR TO YOU MOVING ON TO THE COMMITTEE, THE COMMITTEE HAD INTENTIONALLY WANTED THIS TO BE VAGUE BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO BE ASPIRATIONAL MORE THAN ANYTHING.

THEY DIDN'T EVEN WANT IT TO BE PUNITIVE.

IF A COUNCIL PERSON FORGOT TO OR DIDN'T MAKE A GOOD EFFORT.

AND SO IT'S MORE MEANT TO BE, LISTEN, WE WANNA ENCOURAGE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO TALK WITH EACH OTHER IN THIS INSTANCE.

SO THAT'S THE REASON IT'S VAGUE.

WE CAN CERTAINLY TIGHTEN IT UP AND MAKE IT MORE STRICT IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMITTEE DESIRES MM-HMM IN THE END, WHO'S GONNA ENFORCE IT.

RIGHT.

SO YEAH, WE KNOW A LOT OF THIS POLICY IS ASPIRATIONAL ANYWAYS, SO YEAH.

YOU KNOW, WE SET UP THE GUIDELINES, BUT YOU CAN'T REALLY PUNISH.

YEAH.

YEAH.

AND THEN SECTION NINE, UM, UM, Y'ALL MADE THE COMMENT LAST TIME ABOUT, WILL THE KIOSK ALWAYS BE IN THE LOBBY OF CITY HALL? OF COURSE NOT.

AND SO WE'RE PROBABLY NOT.

AND SO I, I TOOK OUT CITY HALL OR IN THE LOBBY OF CITY HALL.

UM, I ALSO, UM, TOOK OFF IN SUBSECTION B ELECTRONICALLY, REGISTERED AT A KIOSK IN THE LOBBY OF CITY HALL FOR COMMITTEE MEETINGS OR WORK SESSION MEETINGS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE TO 'EM.

AND SO THAT DIDN'T, IT WASN'T APPLICABLE.

COOL.

UM, AND THOSE WERE THE TWO CHANGES I MADE THERE ARE.

Y'ALL GOOD WITH THOSE MM-HMM MM-HMM UM, WE'RE GOOD.

GOOD.

UM, AND I THINK ON PAGE 15, SUBSECTION C 10 C, WAS THAT YOUR CHANGE? I, YEAH, I OKAY.

I'M SORRY.

I WAS EDITING THIS ON MULTIPLE COMPUTERS AND SOMETIMES THE CHANGES DIDN'T YEAH.

I'M THE SAME WAY.

YEAH.

SO I, I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER, WAS THAT MY CHANGE OR YOUR CHANGE THOUGH? OKAY.

UM, SO IS THE COMMITTEE OKAY WITH ADDING WATER TO ALLOWING VISITORS TO, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY NOT TOO CONTROVERSIAL IT HAPPENS IN PRACTICE ALREADY.

YES.

YES.

THAT'S TRUE.

AND THEN THE NEXT CHANGES ON PAGE 18, COUNCILMAN HEDRICK MADE A GOOD POINT AND NEEDED TO BE CLARIFIED.

HE SAID THAT, OF COURSE THE ENTIRE COUNCIL IS NOT PART OF THESE COM COMMITTEES.

AND OF COURSE THE SUBSECTION A THERE, THE TOP OF IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THIS PURPOSE AND INTENT SENTENCE.

AND SO WHAT I DID, AND YOU CAN, I CAN REMOVE IT COMPLETELY, OR YOU CAN GO WITH MY NEW CHANGES, WHICH SAY DO THE COMPLEXITY AND DIVERSITY OF CITY CO CITY GOVERNMENT ISSUES, CITY COUNCIL MAY ELECT TO SEND SOME ISSUES TO A COUNCIL COMMITTEE FOR A CLOSER REVIEW THAT SATISFIES THAT'S FINE.

YEAH.

OKAY.

AND THEN I LIKE YOUR CHANGES THERE THAT NEXT TO PARAGRAPH, UM, COUNCILMAN HEDRICK, UM, THE ALSO TO MAY, THAT MAKES SENSE.

AND THEN OF COURSE ADDING THE S TO POINT, UM, SO THOSE ARE GOOD CHANGES.

MM-HMM AND THEN THE OTHER ONES WE'VE SEEN BEFORE, THESE ARE BASICALLY CHANGING, ADDING INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS COMMITTEE TO THE, THE LIST OF STANDING COMMITTEES, UM, AND THEN TO REMOVING REVIEW OF LOCAL STATE AND NATIONAL LEGISLATIVE CHANGES FROM THE ASC.

AND OF COURSE, YOU'LL SEE, AS WE GO DOWN TO, UM, THE TOP OF PAGE 22, WHAT RESPONSIBILITIES THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS COMMITTEE HAS.

YEP.

I THINK THIS IS ALL IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED.

LOOKS GOOD.

AND THEN 24, SUBSECTION N THAT WAS YOUR CHANGE FOR MR. CHAIR.

UM, YOU MADE THE GOOD POINT THAT IT'S NOT JUST THAT THEY'RE ESTABLISHED OR CAN CONTINUE, BUT ALSO DISSOLVED.

AND SO THAT WAS A GOOD CHANGE.

Y'ALL APPROVED THAT LAST TIME.

AND THEN SECTION FIVE WAS ALSO CHANGES FROM LAST TIME, UNLESS Y'ALL OBJECT TO THOSE, OR Y'ALL CHANGED YOUR MIND, WE'LL KEEP MOVING.

AND THEN SECTION SIX WAS PAGE 26 WAS THE CHANGE THAT THE COMMITTEE APPROVED LAST TIME THAT JUST BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, GET RID OF THE NAMING OUT THE COMMITTEES.

DON'T HAVE A LAUNDRY LIST, JUST, JUST PUT IT IN THE BUDGET.

AND, UM, UM, THAT ARE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH

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SUBSECTION D, WHICH IS THE BUDGET.

SO THEN, UH, ALL THE CHANGES ON 27 FROM LAST TIME YOU TAKE OUT BRIEF, BRIEF, ALL RIGHT.

I TOOK IT OUT.

OH, DID YOU TAKE IT OUT? NO, IT'S I TRY TO TAKE OUT QUALIFIERS.

I WILL, UH, LIKE THAT I'LL MAKE YOU REGRET THAT CHANGE.

SURE.

YOU, I WAS GONNA SAY THE HEMINGWAY SCHOOL OF RUNNING, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY SHORT, NO DESCRIPTION.

JUST YEAH.

MORE, UH, DUST AEV, SKI ISH.

OH, WELL, YEAH.

YOU DID SOMETHING SIMILAR ON PAGE 30.

I THINK I'M PRETTY SURE THAT WAS YOUR CHANGE ABOUT THE THOUSANDS TO MANY.

THAT'S PROBABLY CORRECT.

WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S REALLY THOUSANDS, RIGHT? YES.

THAT SORT OF THING.

YEAH.

SO THAT'S A GOOD CHANGE ON PAGE 30, MOVING ON TO DO WE STILL HAVE THIS? TECHNICALLY WE DO.

IN FACT, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, THE CITY AND MANAGER, MITCH AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT HAVING A RETREAT SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

WE JUST HAVEN'T DONE IT RECENTLY SINCE THE PANDEMIC, WE HAVEN'T DONE IT, BUT MM-HMM WE SORT OF HAD OUR SUMMER AND WINTER RETREATS.

YEAH.

NOT REALLY.

NOT LIKE WE USED TO, IT'S A READ ABOUT MORE OF A SINGLE PAGE THAT MUST HAVE HAPPENED.

IT'S MORE A SINGLE TOPIC THOUGH.

THAT'S WE'RE FOCUSED ON BUDGETING RATHER THAN JUST A YEAH.

YEAH.

I THINK ARPA BECAME A RETREAT AND MM-HMM , IT'S NOT A RETREAT.

THESE ARE NOT RETREATS FRIENDS.

YEAH.

THESE ARE NOT RETREATS.

WELL, TECHNICALLY WE NEVER HAVE RETREATS.

WE'RE ALWAYS IN THE CITY, BUT I'M GONNA SHOW UP TO ONE WEARING A HAWAIIAN FLOWERY T-SHIRT AND WE DID THAT BIG BOTTLE OF YEAH.

WATER.

I WANNA GO SOMEWHERE WITH MOUNTAINS AND HORSES MYSELF.

MM-HMM MM-HMM ALL RIGHT.

ARE WE, WE WERE ON PAGE 33.

JUST THAT QUESTION WAS ASKED.

DO WE STILL HAVE THIS? AND WE'RE, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO, WE HAVEN'T RECENTLY.

ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN, UM, PAGE 34, THE QUESTIONS ASKED WHO CAN MAKE THIS APPOINTMENT.

IT'S THE SAME.

IT'S THE SAME AS IT ALWAYS IS.

THE PERSON WOULD BE APPOINTED BY THE COUNCIL MEMBER.

IF A COUNCIL MEMBER HAS BEEN REAPPOINTED, THAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT, RIGHT WITH THAT QUESTION, BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT COUNCIL MEMBER VACANCY, AND THEN GO IMMEDIATELY INTO AN APPOINTMENT.

AND IT WAS ALMOST MADE A JUMP TO WHERE SOMEONE COULD BE APPOINTED WITHOUT A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER BY STATE LAW.

THAT PERSON WOULD REMAIN, UM, IN THAT COMMITTEE UNTIL SOMEBODY ELSE IS SWORN IN.

OKAY.

UM, AND SO THAT'S HOW THAT WOULD WORK.

AND THEN ONCE SOMEBODY ELSES SWORN IT'D BE BECAUSE THEY WERE APPOINTED BY THE COUNCIL, THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBER, IF THERE IS A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER, IF NOT, THEN THAT PERSON WOULD JUST STAY IN UNTIL THAT RE UNTIL THERE IS A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER MM-HMM AT THE NEXT ELECTION.

OKAY.

UM, AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 35, YOU'RE CORRECT.

IT'S UM, THE CITY SECRETARY IS, UH, NO LONGER APPOINTED BY THE CITY MANAGER.

IT'S SHE IS APPOINTED BY THE CITY MANAGER AND Y'ALL ARE, AND Y'ALL ARE Y'ALL CONFIRMED THE APPOINTMENT.

MM-HMM CUT OUT OF THE CHARTER.

DIDN'T WE? RIGHT? YEP.

UM, UNDER 12, THE, THE RED LINE AT THE LAST SENTENCE, THE CITY SECRETARY SHALL PUBLISH THE AUDIO RECORDINGS OF THE MEETINGS OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, EXCEPT FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION.

UM, I'LL TIE THAT BACK INTO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

OKAY.

WE HAD, UM, AN EXCEPTION IN FOR YOUTH COUNCIL SOMEWHERE WE DID EARLIER IN THE, THE DOCUMENT, IF WE CAN CARRY THAT FORWARD TOO.

MM-HMM I KNOW IT'S REPETITIVE AT THAT POINT, BUT SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OKAY, GOT IT.

BECAUSE I WOULD NEVER WANT TO HEAR A RECORDING OF WHAT I SOUNDED LIKE AT AGE 16 AND HAVE IT PRESERVED IN GOVERNMENT ARCHIVES.

EVERYTHING THEY SAY IS PRESERVED IN, ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

SO EXACTLY.

THEY CAN DO IT TO THEMSELVES, BUT WE SHOULDN'T DO IT TO THEM.

AND THEN BOTTOM PAGE 36, I GOT A HYPHENATED.

UM, THAT'S GOOD.

YEP.

THAT'S CORRECT.

UH, WHY IS THIS SECTION NECESSARY ON MY BOTTOM PAGE 37? WHY IS THIS SECTION NECESSARY? IF IT IS CONTAINED ELSEWHERE IN THE G IT IS NOT.

AND THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

UM, BOTH SECTION ONE AND SECTION TWO AND SECTION THREE, ALL THREE OF THOSE ARE COVERED IN THE GC.

STRIKE THEM.

I WOULD TAKE 'EM OUT.

YES.

BECAUSE WE'RE INTO AN ISSUE WHERE WE JUST SAW THE C CHERRY, IF WE MODIFY ONE AND THIS IS UPDATED.

YEAH.

YEP.

YEAH.

THAT ON GREAT.

YEP.

CITIZEN INITIATED STREET NAME CHANGES.

I THINK THAT IS ONLY IN POL COUNCIL POLICY RIGHT NOW.

MM-HMM I WAS TRYING TO THINK IF WE HAD DONE ANYTHING WITH THAT IN NO, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ONLY HERE.

HOW WOULD A CITIZEN KNOW ABOUT THIS? IF THEY, THEY WERE TO DESIRE A STREET CHANGE, NAME, CHANGE, THEY CALL IT PLANNING AND PLANNING GIVES 'EM BASICALLY LINES.

I DUNNO.

THEY EITHER POINT TO THE RULES WHICH ARE ONLINE OR THEY, UM, TELL 'EM HOW IT'S DONE OR THEY CALL US, WHICH IS WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS.

YEAH.

YEAH.

OKAY.

SO QUESTION SECTION FIVE, PRIVATE

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STREETS IS ALL OF THAT ALSO CONTAINED IN THE GDC.

YES.

ALL THOSE DETAILS.

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW.

I CAN CHECK.

AND IF THEY ARE, YOU WANT ME TO STRIKE 'EM IF YEAH.

THE FIRST SENTENCE SAYS PRIVATE STREETS ARE ALLOWED UNDER THE GDC.

YEAH.

I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT DETAIL IT GOES INTO.

SO LET ME CHECK TO SEE WHAT DETAILS ARE IN THE GDC.

AND IF THEY'RE ALL COVERED, I'LL STRIKE IT, BUT OKAY.

IF THEY'RE NOT THEN, AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT IS IN HERE, THAT'S NOT COVERED BY THE GC, THAT SHOULD BE COVERED BY THE GC.

WE GET IT OUT OF THE POLICY ONLY IT'S SUBSTANDARD, WE'LL MOVE SOMETHING OVER TO, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL DO A, UM, A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM TO DEV SERVICES TO PULL THESE THINGS AND, AND GET 'EM THEY BELONG.

SURE.

OKAY.

YEAH.

OKAY.

PAGE 42, THE BOTTOM OF IT.

UM, COUNCILMAN HEDRICK ASKED, WHY IS THIS SECTION NECESSARY? IF IT IS CONTAINED IN THE CHARTER AND STATE LAW, UM, IT'S THE ROTATION.

THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL POLICY IS.

UM, WE'RE REQUIRED BY A CHARTER AND STATE LAW TO HAVE THE INDEPENDENT AUDITS, BUT IT'S, WE DON'T, WE AREN'T REQUIRED TO ROTATE.

MM-HMM , THAT'S THE REASON THAT'S IN THERE.

I LIKE THE ROTATION.

YEAH.

THAT WAY WE DON'T GET INTO IT IN RUN SCENARIO WHERE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW.

YEAH.

OKAY.

OKAY.

FLIPPING BACK TO PAGE 46, THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGER CHANGES THAT Y'ALL MADE.

MM-HMM THAT MAKES SURE ALL OF Y'ALL ARE STILL ON BOARD WITH THE 250,000 MM-HMM .

OKAY.

AND THEN AS Y'ALL SEE, ON PAGE 64, UH, THIS THING, I, SOME REASON IT DIDN'T REDLIN IT, WHEN I, I MUST HAVE HIT SOMETHING BEFORE I PRINTED IT, CUZ IT WAS ALL REDLINED ON MY SCREEN, BUT FOR SOME REASON I PRINTED DIDN'T GET REDLINED, BUT I DID, I FOLLOWED Y'ALL'S INSTRUCTIONS AND I KNOCKED OUT EVERYTHING I COULD AND LEFT THESE THREE PROVISIONS BECAUSE IT JUST SIMPLIFIED IT.

AND THESE ARE THE ONES THAT Y'ALL WERE MOST INTERESTED IN, EVEN THOUGH Y'ALL REALLY, WEREN'T ALL THAT INTERESTED IN THESE.

SO YEAH.

OKAY.

DO WE NEED TO SAY THIS IS A WHOLE LOT BETTER THAN IT WAS? OH YEAH.

UM, DO WE NEED TO SAY THE PLACEMENT OF SIGNS? UM, OTHER THAN CITY SIGNS ON CITY PROPERTY? I MEAN, BECAUSE WE, IT'S NOT JUST POLITICAL SIGNS THAT ARE A PROBLEM.

PEOPLE ARE CONSTANTLY PUTTING ALL KINDS OF RANDOM YARD, SALE SIGNS, UM, HOUSE FOR SALE SIGNS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN MEDIANS, IN OUR PARKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

NONE OF THOSE ARE ALLOWED UNDER OUR SIGN ORDINANCES.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE IN HERE.

UM, I'M NOT SURE IT'S ACCOUNT IT.

DOESN'T I MEAN, IT REALLY DOESN'T THIS ELECTION DATE.

IF YOU NOTICE THESE SIGNS, IT, IT DOESN'T DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE SIGNS YOU'RE DESCRIBING IN THE POLITICAL SIGNS.

IT'S ANY SIGN YOU.

AND I THINK THE WHOLE REASON THIS SECTION EXISTS IS BECAUSE OF C YES.

YEP.

I JUST, THE WHOLE MORATORIUM ELECTION DAY SIGN MORATORIUM AT POLLING PLACES.

IT'S IT'S STILL POINTLESS, BUT ITEM C IS IMPORTANT.

SO IF IT TAKES THE REST OF IT TO SUPPORT C WHATEVER.

YEP.

THAT'S ALL I CAN SEE.

YOU CAN HAVE AN ELECTION IT'S YOU CAN HAVE AN ELECTION DAY GARAGE SALE AND PLACE SIGNS ALL OVER THE CITY AND DIRECT THEM TO YOUR NOPE.

NO, YOU CAN PLAY, SUBMIT A POLLING PLACE.

OKAY.

WELL, HEY, AFTER YOU'RE DONE VOTING ALREADY TO MY GARAGE SALE, YOU KNOW WHAT? YEAH, WE'RE NOT GONNA TOUCH IT, RIGHT.

WE'RE NOT GONNA TOUCH IT.

AND, AND THE IDEA IS THAT IF THOSE ABUSES WERE GONNA HAPPEN, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN HAPPENING.

THEY AREN'T, THE ABUSE THAT WAS HAPPENING WAS COUNCIL MEMBERS USING THEIR POSITION TO DISENFRANCHISE THEIR OPPONENTS.

THAT WOULD, AND AS MUCH AS, I MEAN, THEIR, I HAD LOOKED TO SEE IF THERE WAS A GOOD PLACE TO PUT THIS INTO OUR ETHICS ORDINANCE IN THERE.

THERE REALLY WASN'T, UH, THIS IS KIND OF THE PLACE IT NEEDS TO STAY.

AND IT SUCKS THAT OUR COLLEAGUES HAVE MISBEHAVED IN THE PAST, BUT THEY, THEY DID.

AND THEY PROBABLY WILL IN THE FUTURE.

AND THIS IS, UH, UH, PROTECTING STAFF, JUST PROTECT STAFF FROM US.

RIGHT.

IMPORTANT.

I MEAN Y'ALL'S ATTORNEY AND NOT BRIAN'S OR JUDGE, BUT, UM, I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO SEE IF Y'ALL'S TO CHECK Y'ALL'S INTEREST LEVEL IN EXPANDING THIS PARTICULAR POLICY TO JUST SAY, INSTEAD OF, UM, UM, UM, A MORATORIUM ON, UM, SIGNS ON AT POLLING PLACES TO EXPAND THAT TO

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WHERE COUNCIL JUST SHOULD NOT CALL AT ALL STAFF AT ALL TO DEMAND SIGNS, BE REMOVED.

IT'D BE LIKE ANY OTHER THING WHERE Y'ALL COME AND YOU'LL SAY, HEY, THERE'S A VIOLATION GOING ON HERE WHERE YOU HAVE SOMEBODY TO GO LOOK AT IT, BUT Y'ALL CAN'T LOOK FOR EXAMPLE, Y'ALL CAN'T CALL THE MARSHALLS OR THE POLICE AND SAY, HEY, THERE'S A VIOLATION.

THERE'S A GUY STANDING IN THE MEDIAN AT BUCKINGHAM AND JU Y'ALL NEED TO GO OUT AND WRITE HIM A TICKET THAT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE.

NO IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR Y'ALL TO CALL AND SAY, HEY, I JUST PASSED A GUY AND STAND IN THE MEDIAN AT BUCKINGHAM AND JUPITER.

I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT HIM.

CAN Y'ALL GO OUT AND CHECK THAT OUT.

AND THE POLICE WILL COME OUT AND USE THEIR DISCRETION.

THEY MAY WRITE HIM A TICKET.

THEY MAY ARREST HIM.

OR THEY MAY JUST GIVE HIM A WARNING, BUT IT'S SOMETHING SIMILAR.

IN THEORY, WE SHOULDN'T BE GIVING STAFF EXCEPT FOR OUR DIRECT REPORTS.

WE SHOULD NOT BE GIVING STAFF ORDERS TO DO ANYTHING EVER.

THAT'S AGREED.

SO ANYWAY, SO THROUGH THAT, THERE Y'ALL'S ADVOCATE, NOT HIS, SO Y'ALL TELL ME Y'ALL GOT IT.

I THINK THAT THAT COVERS IT.

AND MAYBE WE NEED TO ENFORCE THAT RULE MORE BECAUSE THAT RULE EXISTS.

UH, THIS IS, THIS PARTICULAR RULE IS FOR THE CITY MANAGER, NOT FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND SO I THINK WE'D LOSE.

I THINK THE SCOPE WOULD BE WRONG TO PUT IT HERE.

I UNDERSTAND THE NEED, BUT I THINK FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS, THIS INSTRUCTS, THE CITY MANAGER TO TAKE A SPECIFIC NON-ACTION AND I THINK WE'D, WE'D CONFUSE A HELL OF EVERYBODY IF WE THREW A BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF INTO IT IS THAT, BUT WE SHOULDN'T BE DIRECTING STAFF.

RIGHT.

EVEN IN RIGHT.

AGREED ANYTIME.

RIGHT? YEAH.

SO IF THAT'S HAPPENING, THAT SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING.

I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

IT DOES.

WHAT ARE WE DOING? NOTHING.

WE TYPICALLY SAY, YEAH, WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA DO IT WHEN IT COMES TO SIGNS POLITICAL SIGNS.

IT'S POLITICAL SIGNS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

OKAY.

SO THAT'S, IT COMES TO POLITICAL SIGNS.

WE SAY, YEAH, WE'LL PASS, YOU KNOW? YEAH.

THANK YOU.

WE'LL GO LOOK AT IT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING.

WE DON'T ENFORCE IT.

AND YEAH, I'VE NEVER HAD A COUNCIL MEMBER ARGUE AND SAY, NO, YOU NEED TO GO OUT THERE AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

YOU NEED TO GIVE ADVICE ON THIS.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ONCE I REMIND 'EM THE REASONS WHY WE DON'T ENFORCE POLITICAL SIGNS AND USUALLY I'VE NEVER HAD A COUNCIL MEMBER ARGUE AT THAT POINT, THEY'VE ALL BEEN VERY REASONABLE AND SAY, OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH.

OKAY.

WE GOOD TO LEAVE THIS ALONE? OKAY.

AND THEN, UM, PAGE 67, SECTION THREE PLANNING DOES THIS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE ACTUALLY KEPT TRACK OF IT.

OH, DON'T NO, THEY CERTAINLY DON'T BECAUSE, BUT THEY'RE IN CHARGE OF IT.

WHEN I WAS ON MY HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, WE'VE CHANGED THE BYLAWS RIGHT.

EVERY MONTH IT SEEMED LIKE, AND NOT ONCE DID WE SEND IT TO THE CITY FOR RIGHT.

AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, CUZ YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ORDINANCES IN THE GDC THAT REQUIRE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS FOR UM, UM, IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS.

BUT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN INTERESTING.

HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THAT AND HOW WOULD YOU ENFORCE THAT? BECAUSE IF A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION DISSOLVES, ARE YOU GONNA ENFORCE AGAINST AN ENTIRE SUBDIVISION MM-HMM AND HOLD EACH INDIVIDUAL OF THAT SUBDIVISION? UM, LIABLE.

UM, WELL, HOLD ON A MINUTE.

SO IF THEY DISSOLVE THERE'S COMMON PROPERTY, THERE IS YOU GOES TO A PAPER ENTITY AND SOME FILE CABINET SOMEWHERE.

THAT'S JUST NO LONGER PAYING TAXES.

AND THEN EVENTUALLY WE MAY TAKE OWNERSHIP IF THEY'RE DELINQUENT ON THEIR TAXES, EVENTUALLY IT'D BE A TAX FORECLOSURE.

YES MM-HMM IF WE WANTED IT.

YEAH.

IF WE WANTED IT THAT'S THAT'S THE THING, THING.

THIS IS WHY I DIDN'T MOVE INTO AN HOA.

YEAH.

HOA ARE ALWAYS DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT CAN ALWAYS DISSOLVE MM-HMM AND THEN WHAT DO YOU DO, YOU KNOW, AS A CITY, I MEAN, IT'S TOUGH TO ENFORCE ANYTHING.

EVEN IF YOU HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR AN HOA, IT'S TOUGH TO ENFORCE THAT ONCE THEY DISSOLVE AND WE HAVE A LOT, ESPECIALLY TO VOLUNTEER VOLUNTARY, HOA, THOSE DISSOLVE ALL THE TIME AND UH, NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.

MM-HMM SO DO WE REALLY WANT THIS TO CONTINUE TO SAY THE CITY MANAGER SHALL DESIGNATED DEPARTMENT FOR SUCH PURPOSES AND HE'S DONE THAT HE HAS DONE THAT.

HE HAS DESIGNATED THEM.

IT JUST THAT AND SHALL CAUSE THE REVIEW.

OH THAT HE HASN'T AND MAY CAUSE THE REVIEW AND DECADES HERE.

YEAH.

CAN WE MAKE THESE THOUSAND DOMAINS? YES.

DO THAT.

SURE.

COOL.

AND THEN IF, UM, IF WE'LL GET SOME OF MY NERVES AT ALL, I'LL JUST ASK, AUDIT TO GO CHECK AND SEE HOW OFTEN THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS.

THAT WOULD BE MEAN WOULD BE VERY MEAN VERY I'LL TELL 'EM ABOUT THIS LATER, BUT I LIKE IT.

RIGHT.

I GOT THOSE SHELL MAZE.

YEAH.

YEAH.

THAT LEAVES FLEXIBILITY.

AND GETS US OFF THE HOOK IF WE'VE NOT BEEN ACTUALLY DOING THIS STUFF.

SURE.

AND THE BOTTOM PAGE 69.

GOOD QUESTION.

WHY IS THE PAYROLL DEDUCTION SECTION IN HERE? IT'S BECAUSE UM, STATE LAW, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE IT, IT SAYS THAT THE COUNCIL CAN DO THIS.

YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO IT, BUT IF YOU DO IT, YOU NEED TO PASS SOME SOMETHING TO GET IT DONE.

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YOU NEED TO SHOW SOME TYPE OF APPROVAL AND WAY BACK WHEN COUNCIL DECIDED TO DO IT BY POLICY, INSTEAD IT BY RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE.

AND SO BACK IN OH NINE, I THINK, UM, ONE OF THE BIG PACKS WAS GOING AFTER PAYROLL DEDUCTIONS FOR UH, UH, ASSOCIATIONS MM-HMM THEY WERE TRYING TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE COULDN'T HAVE MEMBERSHIP DUES DEDUCTED FROM THEIR PAYROLL, FOR UNION, UH, UNION TYPE RIGHT ORGANIZATIONS.

AND THIS WAS THE COMPROMISE BILL THAT CAME OUT OF IT.

AND THEN COUNCIL ADAPTED TO THAT BILL.

SO I REMEMBER THAT IT'S BEEN A WHILE MM-HMM BEEN A WHILE AND THAT IS IT BASICALLY EMPOWER TEXANS WAS GOING AFTER TEACHERS ASSOCIATIONS.

YEAH.

MM-HMM SO, OKAY.

LET'S GO BACK TO THIS, UH, THIS FOREMAN THING AND SEE IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN FINISH IT OFF, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, WHATEVER WE SEND TO COUNCIL'S GONNA GET ARGUED FOR SEVERAL HOURS ANYWAY.

SO I THINK IT MAY BE EVEN BE LESS IMPORTANT AS TO WHAT WE PASSED TODAY, BECAUSE WHATEVER IT IS IS GONNA GET REWRITTEN ON THIS ISSUE AND BRIAN'S GONNA GET STUCK REWRITING ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT ITERATIONS.

YEAH.

IT'LL BE AWESOME.

THAT'S ALWAYS FUN FOR US.

COUNCIL SHALL ORDER A PIZZA FOR LEGAL I MEAN Y'ALL COULD PASS A POLICY THAT SAYS THAT IF A COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS A COUNCIL POLICY CHANGE, THE COUNCIL CAN'T CHANGE THAT UNLESS IT'S A TWO THIRDS VOTE.

OH NO.

WOW.

WOW.

HECK WOW.

A WE STILL HAVE ORHAN MAN.

UH, WE STILL HAVE THE PART WHERE THE CITY ATTORNEY IS AT THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL, RIGHT? UH, THAT'S FUNNY.

OKAY.

UM, OKAY.

I'M GONNA RETHINK THIS.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS AN ISSUE'S BEEN, IT'S COME OUTTA COMMITTEE.

IT'S BEEN DELIBERATED IN WORK SESSION.

WE'VE GOT A CONSENSUS.

WE MOVE FORWARD, WE GET TO THE MEETING AND WE'RE GETTING READY TO, UH, PASS THE POPSICLE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS NO POPSICLES, UH, MAYBE SOLD, UH, IN, IN THE CITY.

AND I THROW AN AMENDMENT THAT GOES WELL, YEAH, UNLESS IT'S REAL FRUIT JUICE AND EVERYBODY GOES WELL.

YEAH, YEAH.

UNLESS IT'S REAL FRUIT JUICE, THAT'S FINE.

AND THEN THEY PASS IT AND WE REALIZE I'VE TAKEN ALL THE TEETH OUT OF THE ORDINANCE, MUCH LIKE A POPSICLE WOOD OUT OF YOUR MOUTH.

SEE WHAT I'M DOING HERE.

AND, AND EVERYBODY REALIZES TWO WEEKS LATER, OH WAIT, THAT WAS A STUPID AMENDMENT.

IT'S A STUPID LAW TOO, BUT IT'S A STUPID AMENDMENT.

SO, UM, WHEN IT COMES BACK FOR CONSENT, WE'RE GONNA YANK IT AND WE'RE EITHER GONNA REVERT THE AMENDMENT OR WE'RE GONNA KILL IT ENTIRELY OR WE'RE GONNA PASS IT.

IF I DIDN'T MAKE THE, THE AMENDMENT, IT WOULD'VE BEEN PASSED SE SEAL DELIVERED ON THE FIRST NIGHT WITH THAT EXAMPLE IN MIND, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD WANT, IS THERE A DIFFERENT OUTCOME THAT YOU WOULD WANT FOR THAT PIECE OF LEGISLATION JUST BASED ON THE SCENARIO THAT I HAVE LAID OUT? OR IS THAT THE, IS THAT THE WAY WE WANT IT TO GO AGAIN? I WOULD SAY IF YOU DON'T MIND THAT A MINUTE VOTE.

NO.

AND IT, WELL, WHAT IF WE HAVEN'T DEFINED REAL FRUIT JUICE OR WHAT PERCENTAGE OF JUICE IN THE POPSICLE OR I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M THINKING ABOUT POPSICLES TODAY.

MM-HMM JUST RUN WITH IT FOR ME CUZ THAT'S THIS IS THE MOST INNOCUOUS EXAMPLE I CAN COME UP WITH.

SO WHAT IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS REAL, HOW DO YOU DEFINE REAL FRUIT JUICE? UH, OH WAIT, THE STATE LAW HAS SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT REAL JUICE IS.

LET'S GO LOOK AT THAT AND, AND WHILE IT MAY SOUND GOOD AT THE TIME, MAYBE YOU NEED TIME TO DO THE RESEARCH.

I THINK THE MORE PROBABLY ACCURATE SCENARIO WOULD INVOLVE AN AMENDMENT.

THAT ONE PERSON ON COUNCIL KNOWS HAS REAL LIFE REPERCUSSIONS AND NOBODY ELSE ON COUNCIL FINDS THAT OUT UNTIL 24 HOURS LATER WHEN IT ALL COMES FLYING IN BECAUSE THERE WAS INFORMATION NOT AVAILABLE TO THE WHOLE COUNCIL IN THE MOMENT.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

SO I, I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE SCENARIO YOU HAD WHERE IT'S, IT JUST GOES TO THE NEXT CONSENT AGENDA UNLESS IT'S URGENT.

UH, AND AS IN ITEM FOUR DOES NOT APPLY TO NON-SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES IF WE'RE JUST CORRECTING SOME LANGUAGE OR MATTERS IN WHICH A DELAY UNTIL THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING WOULD RESULT IN A VIOLATION OF A DEADLINE, LIKE THE SHOCK CLOCK WOULD A MOTION TO RECONSIDER BE.

CAN WE DO THAT TWO WEEKS LATER? OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE WITHIN THE SAME SESSION? BECAUSE I, I WAS THINKING ABOUT, WELL, WHAT DO WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS TODAY THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT BEHAVIOR? SO LET'S SAY WE FIND THAT THERE IS THAT POISON PILL.

WE COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS AND WE GO, I WANT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR RECONSIDERATION.

WHAT IS OUR, THAT ROBERT'S RULES? I'M I'M TRYING TO THINK OF NOT ROBERT'S RULE.

DOESN'T ANTICIPATE ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE SESSION.

THAT'S

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A GDC IT'S HANDLED BY THE GDC.

IT'S NOT A ROBERT'S RULES ISSUE.

THAT'S WELL, GD.

THIS MAY NOT BE A ZONING THING THOUGH.

RIGHT? SO WHERE WOULD YOU DC PLAY INTO THE POPS ORDINANCE OR, OH, YOU MEAN FOR A MOTION TO RECONSIDER A VOTE? THE CHILD, A PRIOR VOTE? WELL, THAT'S JUST THE SAME NOW.

IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T CHANGE.

CUZ YOU'RE NOT CHANGING.

YOU'RE JUST DOING A MOTION TO RECONSIDER.

AND I THINK IT'S ADDRESSED IN ACTUALLY IT MAY NOT BE ADDRESSED ALL IT'S CUZ IT'S ROBERT'S RULES.

IT'S IT'S BASICALLY YOU'LL TAKE A VOTE.

A MEMBER THEN MAKES A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE VOTE.

BUT IT'S A VOTE THAT HAPPENED TWO WEEKS AGO.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A PATHWAY DO THAT.

OH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

IS THERE A PATH WITHIN THE RULES THAT WE HAVE TODAY THAT ALLOWS US TO GO, HEY, WE VOTED ON THIS TWO WEEKS AGO.

IT'S BEEN FINALIZED, BUT I FOUND A PROBLEM.

DO YOU HAVE TO BRING IT UP AS A WHOLE NEW ISSUE? OH, YOU PULL THE ITEM OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA, RIGHT? IT'S NOT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

IT WOULD'VE BEEN PASSED UNLESS IT'S A ZONING CASE.

IT JUST STARTS OVER.

YOU START OVER.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

YOU'D HAVE TO CHANGE IF THERE WAS SOMETHING HAPPENED 10 YEARS AGO AND I WANT CHANGED.

I'D HAVE TO OKAY.

GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

AND WHAT ABOUT AN ITEM THAT GETS PASSED DUE TO A BLINDSIDE FLOOR AMENDMENT THAT IS LABELED EFFECTIVE TONIGHT, WHICH IS A REAL LIFE SCENARIO.

THAT'S MOST ITEMS Y'ALL PASS.

IT IS THAT'S THE REASON THAT'S THE REASON YOUR EXAMPLE IS SO PERTINENT IS BECAUSE IF IT'S A, IF IT'S NOT EFFECTIVE UNTIL A MONTH AND THEN THE NEXT WEEK COMES AND YOU DO A MOTION TO RECONSIDER, YOU MIGHT, YOU WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT ARGUMENT.

YOU WOULD SAY, YEAH, WE COULD DO A MOTION TO RECONSIDER.

CAUSE IT'S NOT EFFECTIVE.

WHAT IF, WHAT IF WE TAKE ANYTHING THAT'S NOT OTHERWISE GOVERNED BY STATE LAW ON THE TIMING WE GO AHEAD AND VOTE FOR IT.

EVERYTHING'S COOL.

BUT THE EFFECTIVE DATE IS 30 DAYS OUT.

IT CANNOT BE THAT NIGHT OR BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.

CHANGE THE TEMPORAL NATURE OF IT.

SO THERE'S NO IMMEDIATE THAT WOULD SOLVE IMMEDIATE.

I MEAN, TEXAS LEGISLATURE DOES EVERYTHING TAKES OR IT GOES INTO EFFECT SEPTEMBER 30TH.

SO COULD WE BY DEFAULT SAY WHATEVER ORDINANCES WE, WE PUT INTO PLACE HAVE A 30 DAY FOR EVERY ORDINANCE, UH, FOR EVERY THING THAT ESTABLISHES.

YEAH.

YEAH.

FOR EVERY ORDINANCE IT TAKES PLACE 30 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THE APPROVAL OF THE COUNCIL, UNLESS OTHERWISE DICTATED BY STATE LAW THAT IT HAS TO BE SOONER LIKE ANY PLANNING OR ZONING CASE, OR I'M TRYING TO THINK OF SOMETHING WE'VE DONE RECENTLY.

UH, FOOD TRUCKS, IF YOU DON'T MIND MM-HMM UH, FOOD, TRUCK ORDINANCES.

WE, WE MADE SOME CHANGES.

THERE WAS NO REASON THOSE COULDN'T WAIT TO GO INTO EFFECT FOR 30 DAYS.

PLUS IT GIVES STAFF TIME TO REWRITE THEIR RULES, UH, POST NOTIFICATIONS TO WEBSITES.

I CAN THINK OF INSTANCES WHERE WE WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN, WHERE WE PASS A NO PARKING ALONG X STREET.

AND SOON AS WE PASS THAT, WE WANT THOSE SIGNS GOING UP THE NEXT DAY, CUZ CITIZENS HAVE BEEN CALLING ME AND WANTING NO PARKING ALONG THE STREET, BUT IS IT CRITICAL TWAIN? GO AHEAD.

I WAS JUST GONNA SAY MAYBE YOU DON'T MAKE IT AUTOMATIC, BUT MAYBE WHERE ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN AMENDED ON THE FLOOR THAT YOU DO IT THAT WAY BECAUSE THAT'S WHY YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING AT THE HEART OF THE ISSUE.

THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

FOUR AMENDED.

I LIKE THAT LEGISLATION.

IT'S NOT EFFECTIVE FOR 30 DAYS BECAUSE THAT, THAT GIVES YOU THE TIME TO CORRECT IT.

IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, I'M REALLY GOOD WITH THAT.

DYLAN DOES THAT SATISFY THE UH, AND YOU KNOW, COUNCIL CAN ALWAYS OVERRIDE THAT WITH, WITH SOME SORT OF VOTE AND JUST SAY, WE WANT THIS TO, DOES IT COME BACK IN 30 DAYS OF THE COUNCIL OR NO, IT GOES INTO EFFECT AFTER 30 DAYS.

IT JUST GOES INTO EFFECT 30 DAYS LATER.

SO ARE YOU WANTING TO REMOVE SUBSECTION THREE THEN? CAUSE THAT HAD TO BE DUPLICATIVE AT THAT POINT.

NOT EVEN READY TO, TO LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE YET, STILL TRYING TO KNOCK DOWN, KNOCK OUT THE, UM, SO WE FIND OUT THAT IT WAS A POISON PILL AND THAT GIVES US ENOUGH TIME, THE TIME TO UNWIND IT AND TO SAY, HOLD IT.

AND IT'S UP TO US AS COUNCIL MEMBERS TO GO TAKE ACTION.

IF SOMEBODY SAYS, AND I WANT THIS TO TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY, WE NEED KNOW, HOLD UP.

YEAH, NO, NO.

WE HAVE THIS 30 DAY.

COOL, UH, SHOT OR COOL DOWN TIMER FOR A REASON OR 14 DAYS OR 10 DAYS OR, OR WHATEVER NUMBER OF DAYS WE NEED TO HAVE TILL THE NEXT IT NEEDS TO AT LEAST COVER THE NEXT, ALLOW ANOTHER COUNCIL MEETING, SIR.

EXACTLY.

AND SO THREE WEEKS HAS BEEN TRADITIONALLY THE LONGEST BREAK THAT WE'VE HAD THAT I KNOW OF.

SO THIS 21 DAYS, THIRTIES.

PERFECT.

WHAT IF THE AGREE, THE CHANGE ISN'T, DOESN'T RUN UP AGAINST STATE LAW OR ANY LAW, ANY DEADLINE, BUT IT IS NECESSARY FOR IT TO BE EFFECTIVE BEFORE 30 DAYS.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL CAN, THE DEFAULT BECOMES THE 30 AND, AND WE'RE GONNA FORGET ABOUT THAT PRETTY QUICKLY.

OKAY.

SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED, UH, A KID JUST GOT HIT BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T SEE AROUND PARKED CARS THAT WERE TOO CLOSE TOGETHER.

UH, THIS NEEDS TO, THIS NEEDS TO GO THROUGH NOW, COUNCIL SHOULD BE ABLE TO AFFIRMATIVELY OVERRIDE THAT PROVISION.

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AND SO WE GET INTO THE POSITION WHERE THE COUNCIL MEMBER MIGHT MAKE THEIR MOTION AND GO, AND THIS DOES NEED TO BE EFFECTIVE TONIGHT, BUT WE CAN POINT BACK TO AND GO, NO, WE HAVE THIS 30 DAY TIMER.

THERE'S NOTHING CRITICAL HERE.

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND THE TWO STEP PROCESS.

I'M JUST CURIOUS.

I CAN'T, THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND.

I CAN'T THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT A SECOND AFFIRMATIVE VOTE IS NOT REQUIRED IN IT WITHIN A CONSENT AGENDA.

THIS IS JUST A, A COOL DOWN TIMER.

THAT'S IT? THAT'S THE ONLY PRACTICAL DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? IT'S NOT ALWAYS CONSENT AGENDA THOUGH.

CUZ SOMETIMES IT'S ITEM FOR CONSIDERATION PUBLIC HEARING.

THAT'S WHEN THIS IS TWICE IN RECENT HISTORY, COME UP WHERE WE'VE HAD SOMETHING COME IN AT THE LAST MINUTE.

THERE'S BEEN NO PREVIOUS DISCUSSION.

IT'S BEEN ALL AT ONCE AND IT'S BEEN IMMEDIATELY EFFECTIVE.

I THINK THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT IT WOULD ROLL TO CONSENT AFTER WE'D APPROVED IT ON COUNCIL.

THAT SO LET LET'S TAKE THE UH, THE, UM, THE, UH, FUNDING ISSUE THAT PROMPTED THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION, RIGHT? MM-HMM SO UNDER, UNDER THIS LANGUAGE, I BELIEVE WE WOULD'VE ALL AGREED TO EVERYTHING IT WOULD'VE GOTTEN PAST.

AND THEN WE WOULD'VE SEEN IT ON THE NEXT CONSENT AS A Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY PASSED THIS, BUT IT'S ON HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOT AN OBJECTION AND IT WOULD JUST ROLL THROUGH.

IT'S NOT A SECOND RET LITIGATION OR REHEARING OF THE ITEM.

RIGHT? SO IT WOULD COME BACK ON CONSENT.

YOU'RE SAYING, UH, UNDER THOSE RULES NOW UNDER THE IDEA OF THE 30 DAY, COOL DOWN, RIGHT.

WE JUST PASS IT AND IT'S DONE.

RIGHT.

BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE EFFECT FOR 30 DAYS.

SO THAT GIVES US TIME.

IF WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF BRINGING IT BACK, PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA, UH, HAVING THE DISCUSSION AGAIN, BRINGING UP THESE NEW ISSUES.

WE COULD WHAT, BUT IT, BUT IT PREVENTS DAMAGE FROM BEING DONE.

IN THE MEANTIME, IF SAID POISON PILL IS INSERTED INTO LEGISLATION, SOMETHING'S PASSED.

YEP.

AND VOTED ON IT.

AND THEN 30 DAYS STARTS, WHAT PROCEDURE DO YOU TAKE TO BRING IT BACK? IF IT'S ALREADY BEEN PASSED AND APPROVED BY COUNSEL? UH, WHAT DOES THAT 30 DAY BY YOU? UH, IT, IT BUYS YOU TIME TO, YOU HAVE TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION TO REVOKE THAT PREVIOUS, ONCE IT'S ALREADY BEEN VOTED ON BROWN, CONSIDER IT RECONSIDERATION.

YEAH.

BUT YOU'RE DOING IT WITHIN THAT 30 DAY GAP OF THAT.

LAW'S NOT IN EFFECT YET.

SO IT GIVES YOU TIME TO, TO GO BACK, THINK ABOUT IT.

AND I DON'T SEE THIS BEING USED VERY OFTEN.

AND BRIAN, THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO STAR PROCESSES, THERE'S NO MANDATORY AFFIRMATIVE STEPS YOU NEED TO TAKE AFTER THAT INITIAL VOTE, IT'S ALREADY DONE.

JUST DONE.

IT'S JUST, IF SOME, IF SOMEBODY HAPPENS TO RECOGNIZE SOMETHING AND A WEEK LATER AND GO, WHOA, WE DIDN'T CONSIDER THIS, THEN YOU HAVE TIME TO BRING IT UP AGAIN AND TAKE CARE OF IT.

AND THAT WOULD BE A RECONSIDERATION, CORRECT? AT THAT POINT.

WELL THAT'S THE WELL, I'M WOR I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT, I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT THAT LANGUAGE BECAUSE YEAH, WE WOULDN'T CALL IT A RECONSIDERATION.

WE HAVE, YEAH.

THAT THAT'S WE CALL IT LINE POINT.

I JUST I'M, I'M BRINGING UP AN ISSUE.

THERE'S A LAW WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS.

IT IT'S NOT AN EFFECT YET, BUT IT IS ON THE BOOKS CUZ WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED IT.

IT'S GOTTA START DATE AND ALL THE REST, I WANNA MAKE A CHANGE TO EXISTING LAW.

JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ISSUE, AS YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER, IT'S NOT A RECONSIDERATION AT THAT POINT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT REOPENING THE ISSUE.

THIS IS A NEW ISSUE THAT WE HAVE WITH EXISTING LAW THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO AMEND AND WOULD LIKE TO DO IT BEFORE THAT LAW TAKES EFFECT.

NOW THE QUESTION IS, COULD YOU GET ACTION QUICK ENOUGH TO STOP THAT LAW FROM TAKING EFFECT? YEAH.

THAT'S 30 DAYS ENOUGH CUZ WITH A, BECAUSE IT ISN'T RIGHT.

IT ISN'T NOTIFICATION HAD TO GET ON AGENDA.

SO REALLY YOUR 30 DAYS IS REALLY BECAME WEEK.

WELL, WELL, OR THE OTHER WAY YOU GOT TO BE FASTER IN YOUR REALIZATION THAT IT WAS BAD POLICY.

YEAH.

SO WORST CASE, YOU'VE GOT THREE WEEKS TO THE NEXT MEETING TO DISCUSS IT AT WORK SESSION.

LET'S ASSUME IT DOES NOT GO ON THE FORMAL AGENDA THE NEXT NIGHT BECAUSE WHY WOULD YOU, SO YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER TWO WEEKS.

SO WE'RE AT FIVE WEEKS NOW.

SO IT'S 35 DAYS.

SO I'M LEANING BACK TOWARDS SAYING THE, THE TWO STEP PROCESS WHERE IT JUST GOES ON CONSENT AND SAILS THROUGH, WITHOUT ANY DRAMA, BARRING SOMETHING UGLY, HAVING BEEN DISCOVERED.

AND AT THAT POINT YOU HAVE TIME TO PULL IT FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND, AND DISCUSS IT AGAIN.

THI THIS SEEMS EASIER.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF IT JUST BEING A, AN AUTOMATIC DELAY, BUT THIS OVERALL SEEMS EASIER AND IT ONLY APPLIES TO FLOOR AMENDMENTS, NOT TO EVERYTHING WITH THE, UH, WITH THE COMMITTEE'S BLESSING.

I WOULD LIKE TO SIT DOWN WITH MR. ENGLAND, UH, CAPTURE OUR DISCUSSION, PUT IT TOGETHER AS OPTIONS AND BRING THIS TO THE FULL BODY BECAUSE IT'S GONNA GET RE REIGATE ANYWAY.

UM, IF Y'ALL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH US DOING, I GUESS WE'VE GOT FIVE OR SIX DISTINCT DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES HERE, UM, BRIAN AND I CAN SIT DOWN AND DO IT.

WE'LL PASS THOSE

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OUT TO Y'ALL.

Y'ALL CAN AMEND AND ADD TO THEM.

AND WE'LL JUST BRING THAT WHOLE PACKAGE BACK TO COUNCIL IS A SET OF OPTIONS.

WE