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[Plan Commission Pre Meeting]
EVENING.WELCOME TO THE NOVEMBER 7TH MEETING OF THE GARLAND PLAN COMMISSION.
THIS IS OUR WORK SESSION PORTION OF OUR MEETING IN WHICH, UH, STAFF BRIEFS US IN ALL THE CASES.
AND ONCE THAT CONCLUDES, WE WILL RECESS AND THEN COME BACK AT SEVEN O'CLOCK FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING.
UH, FIRST I'D LIKE TO GO OVER THE CONSENT AGENDA IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? I SEE NONE.
FIRST ZONING CASE ON THE AGENDA IS Z 22 DASH 46, AND THE APPLICANT PROPOSES AN AUTOMATED TUNNEL CAR WASH.
HERE'S THE CASE INFORMATION, THE ACREAGES ONE ACRE AND THE EXISTING ZONING IS COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT.
THIS SAYS THE CITYWIDE LOCATION MAP AND THE RED STAR SHOWS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN THIS TEAL BLUE COLOR, AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A, UM, A DENTAL OFFICE USE.
AND IT IS CURRENTLY AN OPERATION, BUT IT WILL BE DEMOLISHED AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
UM, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ARE ALL RETAIL DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN FURTHER NORTH THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.
THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE ENVISIONED GARLAND PLAN DESIGNATES THIS PROPERTY AS NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS AND THE ENVISIONED GARLAND PLAN DESIGNATES A SUBJECT PROPERTY AS NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.
NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS PROVIDE A MIX OF RETAIL SERVICES AND COMMUNITY GATHERING PLACES, THIS CENTER SHOULD BE APPROPRIATELY SCALED TO ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
THIS TYPE OF CENTER IS PREDOMINANTLY BUT NOT EXCLUSIVELY, NON RESIDENTIAL AND NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS ARE SERVED BY LOCAL ROADS AND TRANSIT ROUTES.
HERE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS.
THE TOP, UM, LEFT PICTURE IS VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.
TOP RIGHT IS WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
BOTTOM LEFT IS NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND BOTTOM RIGHT IS SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE LAYOUT FOR THE, UM, AUTOMATED TUNNEL CAR WASH, WHICH WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 3,827 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
AND, UH, THE SITE DOES MEET PARKING REQUIREMENTS PER THE GDC.
UM, HOWEVER, THE VACUUM SPACES WILL BE USED AS PARKING SPACES AND THE GDC REQUIRES, UM, THE SERVICE BAY DOORS TO NOT FACE THE STREET.
IN THIS CASE, IT'LL BE FACING, UM, NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.
SO IT IS A DEVIATION, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AND THE PROPERTY CAN BE ACCESSED FROM NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.
HERE IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND IT DOES COMPLY WITH THE APPLICABLE SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING STANDARDS FOR THE GDC.
THESE ARE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND THEY COMPLY WITH THE BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS, AND THE APPLICANT REQUESTS THE SEP TIME PERIOD TO BE 30 YEARS.
AND THE P TIME PERIOD GUIDE RECOMMENDS BETWEEN 25 TO 30 YEARS FOR THIS USE.
STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL OF THE SEP FOR THE AUTOMATED ROLLOVER CAR WASH, USE, AND DENIAL OF THE PLAN FOR AN AUTOMATED ROLLOVER CAR WASH USE ON A PROPERTY ZONE COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT.
THIS PROPOSAL REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE OF USE INTENSITY FROM A PEDIATRIC DENTAL OFFICE TO A CAR WASH.
AND STAFF FINDS THIS PROPOSAL INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDATION, INCLUDING CONCERN WITH THE GENERAL PROXIMITY TO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD PER THE GDC.
THE PURPOSE OF THE S U IS TO ALLOW ESTABLISHMENT OF USES WHICH MAY BE SUITABLE ONLY IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS IN A ZONING DISTRICT OR ONLY WHEN SUBJECT TO STANDARDS AND CONDITIONS THAT ASSURE COMPATIBILITY WITH OTHER USES IN THE VICINITY.
SPECIFIC USES ARE THOSE USES WHICH ARE GENERALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE ALLOWED LAND USES IN A GIVEN ZONING DISTRICT, BUT WHICH REQUIRE INDIVIDUAL REVIEW OF THEIR PROPOSED LOCATION DESIGN AND CONFIGURATION AND THE IMPOSITION OF THE CONDITIONS IN ORDER TO ENSURE THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE USE.
AND WE SENT OUT 36 NOTIFICATION LETTERS.
WE RECEIVED ONE WITHIN A NOTIFICATION AREA FOR THE REQUEST, ONE WITHIN A NOTIFICATION AREA AGAINST THE REQUEST, AND WE RECEIVED A TOTAL OF TWO RESPONSES.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
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OR ANY COMMISSIONERS? I I'VE GOT A QUICK ONE.IT'S BECAUSE I'M NOT TOTALLY FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
ARE THAT HUGE PARKING LOT JUST TO THE WEST DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S BEING USED BY ALDI.
THEY USE THE PARKING LOT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
WHAT'S THAT FOR? UH, OR IS THAT JUST CONSIDERED VACANT LAND? RIGHT.
OH, IS IT THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE? UH, YEAH.
UM, THIS IS NOT PART OF THEIR REQUEST, BUT I BELIEVE THIS JUST, UM, EXCESS PARKING SPACE, DEFINITELY
COMMISSIONER ROSE, UH, DO YOU HAVE A DEFINITION FOR ROLLOVER CAR WASH? I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT A ROLLOVER CAR WASH IS.
I THINK, I THINK THAT'S VERSUS A HAND WASH WHERE YOU PULL INTO A BAY AND YOU SPRAY IT YOURSELF AND EVERYTHING.
IT'S KIND OF A DRIVE THROUGH AND IF YOU'RE, WHATEVER, IT'S, THAT'S THE IMPRESSION I GET.
WITH ABOUT 40 VACUUM STATIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
YOU JUST GET TO DO ALL THE PRESENTATIONS NOW.
NEXT ITEM IS Z 21 DASH 45 AND THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT 301 MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND A SINGLE, SINGLE FAMILY STYLE FORMAT.
AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THE BASE ZONING OF THIS, UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UM, MULTIFAMILY ONE AS THE BASE ZONING.
AND WE ALSO, THE GDC RECENTLY INTRODUCED UM, THE MF ZERO DISTRICT, WHICH IS MORE FOR SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENT STYLE.
UH, BUT THE APPLICATION, THIS APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED WELL BEFORE, UM, THE MF ZERO DISCUSSION HAS STARTED.
SO THE APPLICANT, UM, PREFER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MF ONE DISTRICT STANDARDS BASED OWNING.
UM, HERE'S THE CASE INFORMATION.
UM, THE TOTAL ACREAGE IS 38 POINT 38 ACRES.
LOT ONE IS 32.78 ACRES AND LOT TWO IS 5.59 ACRE.
HERE IS THE CITYWIDE LOCATION MAP.
UH, THE RED STAR SHOWS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND HERE IS THE LOCATION MAP.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN THIS TEAL BLUE COLOR.
IT IS CURRENTLY ZONE PD 1940 AND A DETAIL PLAN WAS APPROVED FOR A CHURCH USE BACK IN 2019, UH, BUT IT WAS NEVER CONSTRUCTED.
AND THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS ZONED PD 15 DASH 19.
THERE IS AN EXISTING SELF STORAGE FACILITY AND THEN TO THE EAST IS ZONED AG.
UM, AND IT IS ALL UNDEVELOPED.
AND THEN TO THE SOUTH ACROSS EAST MILLER A ZONE PD 14 DASH 11 AND THERE'S A RANCH AND THIS VACANT PORTION, UM, WE DID RECEIVE A, UH, ZONING APPLICATION FOR TOWNHOUSE AND IT IS STILL IN REVIEW.
AND THEN IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST IS ZONE COMMUNITY RETAIL.
AND THEN, UM, TO THE WEST ACROSS CENTERVILLE, THERE'S A SUBSTATION AND RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.
THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE ENVISION GARLAND PLANT DESIGNATES THIS PROPERTY AS URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS AND URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS ARE CHARACTERIZED BY MODERATE TO HIGH DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS GREATER THAN 12 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS 11.6 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, AND THIS PROPOSAL IS GENERALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE DEVELOPMENT STYLE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA.
HERE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS.
THE TOP LEFT IS VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM EAST MILLER.
TOP RIGHT IS EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
BOTTOM LEFT IS SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND THAT'S THE RANCH.
AND THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
HERE IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND IT DOES SHOW TWO LOTS, UH, LOT ONE IS FOR THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND LOT TWO, UM, WILL, UM, REQUIRE A DETAIL PLAN IN THE FUTURE.
UH, BUT THE APPLICANT IS NOT SURE WHAT, UH, WILL BE PROPOSED AT THIS TIME.
AND SO FOR LOT ONE, UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING 301 MULTIFAMILY UNITS IN A SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX STYLE FORMAT.
AND THEY ARE PROPOSING A TOTAL OF SIX DIFFERENT UNIT TYPES.
AND ACCESS WILL BE, THERE'LL BE TWO ACCESS POINTS FROM EAST MILLER ROAD AND ONE ACCESS FROM UM, CENTERVILLE.
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IT DOES COMPLY WITH ALL THE AMENITIES THAT ARE REQUIRED IN THE GDC, WHICH IT INCLUDES THE CLUBHOUSE, UM, THE SWIMMING POOL AND THE LEISURE AREA.UM, AND IT DOES COMPLY WITH THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS PER THE GDC AND THE MF ONE DISTRICT.
THERE ARE SOME DEVIATIONS, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING, UH, REGARDING THE UNIT SIZE BUILDING SEPARATION AND SETBACK, WHICH I WILL GO OVER IN JUST A MOMENT.
HERE IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN.
IT DOES COMPLY WITH THE LANDSCAPING STANDARDS PER THE GDC AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING ORNAMENTAL FENCE ALONG THE SOUTHERN WESTERN PERIMETER LINE.
UM, AND SCREENING IS ALSO REQUIRED TO THE EAST WHERE IT IS ZONE AGRICULTURAL, UM, WHICH ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND BECAUSE THERE IS A FLOOD PLAN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A DEVIATION TO UH, NOT ALLOW A SCREENING WALL THERE.
HERE ARE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS.
AND IN YOUR PACKET YOU UH, PROBABLY SAW, UM, EIGHT SCHEMES FOR EACH UNIT.
AND I INCLUDED, JUST TO SHORTEN THE PRESENTATION, I INCLUDED ONE COLOR FOR EACH.
UM, BUT THE, UM, BUILDING DESIGN WOULD BE THE SAME FOR EACH.
THIS IS THE GARAGE AND THEY ARE PROPOSING DETACHED GARAGE.
THE FIRST ONE IS FOR THE BUILDING SEPARATION.
UH, GDC REQUIRES ALL PORTIONS OF THE MULTIFAMILY DWELLING STRUCTURE TO BE MINIMUM OF 20 FEET FROM ANOTHER STRUCTURE.
AND THE APPLICANT REQUESTS 10 FEET.
AND THE PROPOSED LAYOUT IS SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX STYLE.
THEREFORE, THE REQUIRED 20 FOOT SETBACK WILL NOT WORK FOR THEIR CONFIGURATION.
AND IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT IN THE MULTIFAMILY ZERO DISTRICT, UM, ALLOWS A MINIMUM SEPARATION OF 10 FEET.
SECOND DEVIATION IS FOR THE BUILDING SETBACK.
THE SIDE SETBACK NOT ADJACENT TO THE STREET.
REQUIRED IS 12 AND THEY'RE PROPOSING SIX FEET.
THE SECOND ENTRY GATE AND GATE ON EAST MILLER ROAD AND EAST CENTERVILLE ROAD RESULTED IN A SIX FOOT SIDE, SIDE YARD SETBACK, NOT ADJACENT TO A STREET.
THIRD DEVIATION IS FOR THE MINIMUM DWELLING UNIT AREA FOR A ONE BEDROOM AND REQUIRED IS 650 SQUARE FEET.
THE PROPOSED MINIMUM DWELLING SIZE WAS DESIGNED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF A SPECIFIC MARKET SEGMENT.
AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS FOR SCREENING ADJACENT TO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT BOUNDARY LINE.
THEY ARE NOT PROVIDING ANY SCREENING, AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING FLOOD PLAIN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE CHANGE IN Z, SORRY, CHANGE IN ZONING FROM PD 1940 FOR SINGLE FAMILY SEVEN USE TO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR A MULTIFAMILY ONE USE AND APPROVAL OF A DETAIL PLAN FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE SENT OUT 60 NOTIFICATION LETTERS AND WE RECEIVED THREE RESPONSES, WHICH WERE ALL OUTSIDE OF THE NOTIFICATION AREA AND AGAINST THE REQUEST.
AND IT'D BE HELP TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS, EXCUSE ME.
UM, HAD THIS BEEN MF ZERO, WOULD THEY BEEN REQUIRED TO, LIKE IN A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, PUT SCREENING, UH, OR WALL ALONG MILLER ROAD THERE? IF IT WAS MF ZERO? YEAH.
SINCE WE'RE KIND OF DOING A HYBRID HERE, RIGHT? I THINK I CAN ANSWER THAT.
YEAH, I KNOW IT'S A QUESTION YOU WEREN'T EXPECTING.
I WAS INVOLVED WITH THE MF ZERO.
WORKING WITH THE COMMITTEE ON THAT.
IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE, UM, CAUSE IT WAS KIND OF MIXING SOME OF THE SINGLE FAMILIES STANDARDS AND MULTI-FAMILY STANDARDS INTO THAT NMF ZERO.
AND I BELIEVE WHERE WE LANDED WAS THE, UM, UM, THAT IT WOULD FOLLOW THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS FOR SINGLE FAMILY, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UM, CURRENTLY THE GDC ALLOWS THAT, UM, ALLOWS MASON WALL ORAL ORNAMENTAL FENCE, UM, WITH LANDSCAPING KIND OF AS AN OPTION.
BECAUSE I NOTICED THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING AT THE ORNAMENTAL FENCE.
THEY GOT TREES AT 30 FEET, BUT NO LANDSCAPING, SO THERE'S NO, UH, VISUAL BARRIER.
AND I THINK ALONG MILLER ROAD WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A WALL OR, AND SINCE ALONG THE AGRICULTURE AREA, THAT'S ALL TREES AND EVERYTHING, LEAVING THAT OFF MAKES SENSE.
AND THEY CAN PUT SOME OF THAT INTO, AND SINCE IT'S A PD, WE CAN ADD CONDITIONS.
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YOU MR. CHAIR.UM, DOES THE CURRENT PD ALLOW MULTIFAMILY AT ALL OR WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE CURRENT PD IN TERMS OF WHAT IT PERMITS? IT WAS A PROOF RATE CHURCH USE, BUT THE BASE ZONING IS SINGLE FAMILY SEVEN DISTRICT.
SO THIS IS A BRAND NEW PD THEN? MM-HMM.
SO IT'S A NEW PD, BUT UNDERLYING THAT IS SINGLE FAMILY ZONING.
THE, IS IT SF SEVEN OR SOMETHING? THE CURRENT PD? YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NEXT, NEXT ITEM IS Z 22 DASH 39.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO ADD AUTOMOBILE SALES TO THE EXISTING AUTOMOBILE REPAIR FACILITY.
THE ACREAGES 1.09 ACRES AND EXISTING ZONING IS INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
THIS IS THE CITYWIDE LOCATION MAP AND THE RED STAR SHOWS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP, THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES OUTLINED IN THIS TEAL BLUE COLOR LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF FOREST LANE AND SOUTH INTERNATIONAL ROAD.
AND, UM, SURROUNDING ZONING ARE ALL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE ENVISIONED GARLAND PLAN DESIGNATES, UM, THIS PROPERTY AS TRANSIT-ORIENTED CENTER AND TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT IS CHARACTERIZED BY MODERATE TO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, UH, GREATER THAN 12 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
AND THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
HERE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS.
THE TOP LEFT IS VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UH, TOP RIGHT IS EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM SOUTH INTERNATIONAL.
BOTTOM LEFT IS SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND BOTTOM RIGHT IS NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND THIS IS THE EXISTING LAYOUT TODAY, UM, WHICH HAS A, UM, MAJOR AUTO REPAIR FACILITY AND THE APPLICANT REQUEST TO ADD THE AUTO SALES USE, WHICH REQUIRES A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
BUT THE APPLICANT, UH, WILL NOT BE MAKING ANY SITE IMPROVEMENTS WITH THIS REQUEST.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTS THE S U P UM, TIME PERIOD FOR 15 YEARS.
AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL OF THE SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR AUTOMOBILE SALES NEAR OR USED DENIAL OF THE PLAN FOR AUTOMOBILE SALES NEAR OR USED ON A PROPERTY ZONE.
INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT STAFF FINDS THAT THIS, UH, PROPOSAL IS NOT COMPATIBLE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND WE MAILED OUT 19 NOTIFICATION LETTERS, RECEIVED ONE WITHIN A NOTIFICATION AREA FOR THE REQUEST.
ONE WAS WITHIN A NOTIFICATION AREA AGAINST THE REQUEST, AND WE RECEIVED A TOTAL OF TWO RESPONSES.
COMMISSIONER ROSE DIDN'T, WHAT DIDN'T WE? AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE COUNCIL CONSIDER THIS, OH, MAYBE TWO MONTHS AGO AND APPROVED AN U FOR FIVE YEARS.
IS THIS NOT THE SAME PROPERTY? DIFFERENT LOCATION THAT'S FURTHER DOWN, UH, FURTHER WEST, ALONG THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF FOREST.
I THOUGHT IT WAS THE SAME AND LOOKED THE SAME TO ME.
SO THIS WOULD BE BRINGING, OH, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
DO THEY HAVE ENOUGH, UH, PARKING PLACES FOR A, UM, USED CAR? YES.
SO THE STATE REQUIRES FIVE SPACES, A MINIMUM.
SO THEY ARE PROVIDING, UM, WHAT THE STATE REQUIRES.
WELL, I NOTICE ON, UH, THE PLAN, UH, THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF VEHICLES IN THE CENTER OF THAT PROPERTY, AND THEY'RE COUNTING THOSE, UH, SPACES AS PARKING.
SO THAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING AS THE, UM, FOR THE AUTO REPAIR, BUT OVER HERE, THESE FIVE SPACES ALONG FOREST LANE, UM, THEY HAVE DESIGNATED THOSE AS THE AUTO SALES FOR THE AUTO SALES USE.
ACTUALLY, I, I THOUGHT THE LABELING WAS ON, UM, THE EAST SIDE THERE.
THOSE FIVE VERTICAL ONES WERE LABELED FOR AUTOMOBILE SALES,
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AT LEAST IN THE DRAWING IF I RECALL.AND THOSE PARKING SPACES, UH, TO THE WEST THERE, AS, AS YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD REASON TO LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC AND PARKING STANDARDS RECENTLY, AND THOSE REALLY DON'T COMPLY.
THEY COMPLY IF IT'S A ONE-WAY STREET, BUT THERE'S NO WAY OUT.
THE AISLE HAS TO BE 20 FEET FOR A TWO-WAY STREET AND ANGLE PARKING.
SO TECHNICALLY THEY DON'T COMPLY, WHICH IS FINE BECAUSE OF THE SHAPE OF THE DEAL, BUT WE'RE ADDING PARKING, A PARKING LOAD WHEN THEY'RE ALREADY GOT IFFY PARKING AND IT'S A USE THAT'S NOT AN IMMEDIATE AREA AND EVERYTHING.
SO YEAH, I TEND TO AGREE WITH STAFF ON THIS ONE.
COMMISSIONER ROBIN AND COMMISSIONER ROSE, AND THEN COMMISSIONER JENKINS.
UM, HAS ANY, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, IS THERE ANY PARKING THAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN ADDED OR IS THIS JUST SIMPLY WHAT'S THERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO DESIGNATE THESE X NUMBER OF SPOTS AS, OR TRY TO DESIGNATE THEM? IT'S ALL THERE.
UM, THEY'RE JUST RETRIP SOME, BUT THEY'RE NOT, UM, EXPANDING PARKING SPACE.
COMMISSIONER ROSE, WHEN YOU MET WITH THE APPLICANT AND, UH, TALKED ABOUT IT, DID YOU TALK, UM, IN TERMS OF PERHAPS HAVING A SHORTER U NOT NOT A 30 YEAR, 25 YEAR, BUT MAYBE FIVE OR 10 OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES? UM, NOT SPECIFICALLY, BUT THE APPLICANT REQUESTED, UM, THAT THEY REQUESTED 15 YEARS AND THAT'S WHAT WE PRESENTED TODAY.
YEAH, LET ME SEE IF I CAN THINK INTO THE PAST A LITTLE BIT HERE.
IN THE PAST, WE'VE, THIS KIND OF THING HAS COME UP BECAUSE THEY'LL REPAIR CARS AND THEN PEOPLE DON'T WANT 'EM, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO UNLOAD 'EM.
AND, AND THAT'S USUALLY THE REASON THEY HAVE 'EM THERE.
AND WE HAVE TURNED SOME OF THESE DOWN IN THE PAST AND YEARS AGO, AT LEAST OVER 10 YEARS AGO, I THINK WE MAY HAVE APPROVED ONE, BUT IT WAS LIMITED TO LIKE TWO PARKING SPACES, NO SIGNAGE OF A SALES AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, IT, IT'S DIFFICULT AT BEST.
WHAT'S THAT? HEAR THIS? OH, OKAY.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A DATA CENTER.
THE ACREAGE IS 18.636 ACRES, AND THE EXISTING ZONING IS PD 20 DASH 17.
THIS IS THE CITY BY LOCATION MAP, AND THE RED STAR SHOWS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN THIS TEAL BLUE COLOR, UM, AND PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS ZONE PD 2017.
AND THAT WILL BE FOR FUTURE EXPANSION OF THE DATA CENTER.
TO THE EAST IS ZONE AGRICULTURAL, AND THERE IS, UM, A HOUSE THERE TO THE SOUTH, UM, IS ALSO ZONE PD 20 DASH 17.
THERE IS AN ENTERTAINMENT FACILITY.
AND THEN TO THE WEST, UM, IS PD 22 DASH 11.
AND THERE IS A DETAIL PUN OF PROOF FOR A, UM, SELF STORAGE FACILITY.
AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE ENVISION GARLAND PLAN DESIGNATES THIS, UH, PROPERTY AS BUSINESS CENTER AND THE PROPOSED USE IS COMPATIBLE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
TOP LEFT IS VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
TOP RIGHT IS EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
BOTTOM LEFT IS LOOKING WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND THAT'S WHERE THE SELF STORAGE WAS APPROVED.
AND THEN BOTTOM RIGHT IS SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND THAT'S THE ENTERTAINMENT FACILITY.
HERE IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, AND THIS, UM, DATA CENTER WILL BE CONSTRUCTED IN MULTIPLE PHASES.
THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST IS FOR PHASE ONE, WHICH INCLUDES THE DETENTION POND, UH, TO THE NORTH OF FERRIS ROAD, AND THEN THE DATA CENTER OVER HERE, WHICH WILL BE 178,814 SQUARE FEET.
AND THEN A FEATURE EXPANSION, UH, 67,228 SQUARE FEET.
AND THE WAY THIS BUILDING WILL BE DESIGNED, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO ADD THAT, UM, FOURTH DATA HALL TO THE DATA CENTER AND ACCESS WILL BE, UM, FROM HOLFORD ROAD
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AND CAMPBELL ROAD.AND, UM, THERE IS A, UM, AN ITEM FOR TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR FERRIS WROTE ABANDONMENT, AND THAT'LL BE CONSIDERED TONIGHT.
AND THE SITE DOES COMPLY WITH THE PARKING REQUIREMENT PER THE GDC.
THEY ARE ALSO PROVIDING A GUARDHOUSE OVER HERE AND A VISITOR PAVILION, WHICH I BELIEVE IS JUST FOR EXTRA SCREENING, ADDITIONAL SCREENING FOR VISITORS BEFORE THEY CAN ENTER THE FACILITY.
AND HERE'S THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN.
IT DOES COMPLY WITH THE, UH, LANDSCAPING STANDARDS PER THE GDC AND PD 20 DASH 17.
HERE ARE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND IT COMPLIES WITH THE BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS OR THE GDC AND NO DEVIATIONS WERE REQUESTED WITH THIS PROPOSAL.
THE SITE PLAN MEETS ALL TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT, UM, TO PD 20 DASH 17 FOR MIXED USE AND APPROVAL OF THE DETAIL PLAN FOR THE DATA CENTER.
AND WE MAILED OUT 11 LETTERS, AND WE RECEIVED ONE OUTSIDE OF THE NOTIFICATION AREA FOR THE REQUEST.
TWO OUTSIDE OF THE NOTIFICATION AREA AND AGAINST THE REQUEST, TOTAL OF THREE RESPONSES WERE RECEIVED.
BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS, SEE NONE COMMISSION, DALTON.
UH, YOU DID MENTION THAT FERRIS ROAD IS UP TO BE DISCUSSED TO ABANDONMENT.
AND ACCORDING TO THE SITE PLAN, IT APPEARED THAT ACCESS TO FERRIS ROAD WAS NECESSARY TO ACCESS THIS BUILDING.
SO ARE WE SELLING THAT THE CITY ABANDONING AND SELLING THAT TO THE FACILITY, OR IT'LL BE A PRIVATE DRIVE.
IT'LL, UH, WON'T, IT WILL BECOME A PRIVATE DRIVE AND NO LONGER CITY STREET.
AND THE NEXT ITEM, I BELIEVE IS THE, UM, FERRIS ROAD ABANDONMENT.
I'M NOT SURE IF WELL, YEAH, I CAN KIND OF SUMMARIZE IT TOO.
IT'S BEEN ABANDONED, CLOSED OFF FOR 10, 15 YEARS.
OH, WE'RE GETTING A FULL PRESENTATION.
I'LL MAKE IT UP ON THE FLY HERE.
I WASN'T PREPARED TO DO A PRESENTATION, BUT I CAN, I CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT IT.
UM, SO YEAH, THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH DIGITAL REALTY FOR, FOR QUITE A WHILE TO, UM, FOR THIS SITE, AND, AND THIS IS AS I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS, UH, FERRIS ROAD HAS BEEN CLOSED SINCE, UM, ABOUT THE MID TWO THOUSANDS, AROUND 2005 IS IS ABOUT THE TIME.
I THINK CAMPBELL ROAD ACTUALLY GOT REALIGNED AND REBUILT.
SO PROBABLY BEFORE THAT ACTUALLY, UM, HASN'T BEEN OPEN SINCE THEN.
UM, THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY REASON TO KEEP THIS AS PART OF THE THIRD FAIR PLANT OR A PUBLIC STREET.
SO, UM, THERE'S REALLY, UH, NO, NO REASON THAT WE WOULD WANT TO KEEP THAT ON THERE.
SO THAT'S THE PROPOSAL IS TO ABANDON THIS.
UM, UM, AND ALSO TO TAKE IT OFF THE THIRD FAIR PLAN IS, IS PART OF THAT TOO, JUST, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, IF, IF IT WAS ON THE THIRD FAIR PLAN, WE WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO DEDICATE WELL THE RIGHT OF WAY'S THERE TO, UM, IMPROVE THAT.
BUT, UH, THERE'S NO REASON TO DO THAT.
COMMISSIONER ROSE, SO THIS IS ABANDONED.
UH, WILL THE CITY GO IN THERE AND TEAR IT UP? WHATEVER EXISTS AS A STREET, WHETHER IT'S RUBBLE OR WHAT, WILL THEY TEAR IT UP AND JUST LET IT, OR THEY, I I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AGREEMENT IS WITH, AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT GOES.
TYPICALLY WHEN WE ABANDON THE PROPERTY, WE WILL, UM, OFFER THAT TO THE ADJACENT LANDOWNERS TO, UH, PURCHASE.
SO I DON'T, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S A PLAN WITH, WITH THE DEVELOPER AS TO WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PURCHASE, PURCHASE THIS OR, BUT I I'M SURE THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE ANY PLANS TO DO ANY KIND OF DEMOLITION OF THE ROAD.
I THINK IT WOULD BE BAKED INTO THE AGREEMENT THAT THEY'VE GOT IT NOW.
AND MAY I SAY IT COULDN'T HAPPEN TO A NICER ROAD.
CAUSE 35 YEARS AGO WHEN A GARLAND'S FINEST
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GAVE ME A TICKET CUZ IT WAS A EMPTY ROAD, YOU KNOW, YOUNG KID ZOOMING DOWN ALL ALONE, I THOUGHT, BUTIT ACTUALLY, IT, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM FOR A WHILE, SO, YEAH.
THAT, THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM ON OUR, UH, WORK SESSION AGENDA.
SO WE ARE IN RECESS UNTIL SEVEN O'CLOCK.
[Call to Order]
GOOD EVENING.WELCOME TO THE NOVEMBER 7TH MEETING OF THE GARLAND PLAN COMMISSION.
AS IS OUR CUSTOM WEEK COMMISSIONER, START OUR MEETING WITH THE PRAYER AND PLEDGE.
YOU'RE INVITED TO JOIN US, WHETHER YOU JOIN US OR NOT, NO WAY AFFECTS THE DECISIONS OF THIS COMMISSION OR YOUR RIGHTS IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION.
TONIGHT'S PRAYER AND PLEDGE WILL BE LED BY COMMISSIONER ROSE.
FATHER GOD, WE COMMISSIONERS COME BEFORE YOU ASK FOR YOUR GUIDANCE IN OUR, UH, WORKING FOR THE CITY OF GARLAND, WE ASK THAT YOU, UM, WATCH OVER ALL THE, UM, UH, POLICE AND FIRE FOLKS.
AND IN PARTICULAR, WE ASK THAT, UH, THIS FRIDAY VETERAN'S DAY, YOU WATCH OVER ALL THOSE MEN AND WOMEN WHO, UH, SERVED THE ARMED FORCES AND ARE STILL AROUND.
WE ASK ALL THIS IN YOUR NAME, AMEN.
PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC, WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY JUSTICE FOR ALL.
WE, UH, USED TO USE THE KIOSKS OUT THERE, BUT WE'VE GONE BACK TO THE CARD SIGNUP SYSTEM.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK TONIGHT, PLEASE FILL OUT ONE OF THE CARDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE AT THE COMMISSION SECRETARY'S STATION AND FILL IT OUT AND HAND IT TO HER AND WE'LL CALL YOU UP.
WE GIVE APPLICANTS 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.
OTHER SPEAKERS WE ALLOW THREE.
IF YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR A GROUP LIKE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, WE DEFINITELY ALLOW YOU MORE.
AND IT'S RARE THAT WE CUT ANYBODY OFF.
ANYHOW, UH, WHEN YOU COME UP, WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE.
WE NEED THAT FOR THE OFFICIAL RECORD.
SO IF YOU'LL DO THAT, WE DO APPRECIATE IT.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
MEETING, WE'LL START WITH OUR CONSENT AGENDA.CONSENT AGENDA ARE ITEMS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE REVIEWED AND WILL BE VOTING TO APPROVE IN ONE MOTION.
I WILL READ OFF THE AGENDA AND IF ANYBODY WANTS AN ITEM REMOVED, WHETHER IT'S COMMISSIONER AND THE PUBLIC FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, LET ME KNOW.
A CONSENT APPROVAL OF THE PLANT COMMISSION MINUTES FOR THE OCTOBER 24TH, 2022 MEETING.
ITEM TWO, A PLAT 22 DASH 38 REALS.
UH, ADDITION REPLANT ITEM TWO B PLA 22 DASH 39 LOFTS I 30 ADDITION COM CONVEYS PLAT, ANYBODY WANT AN ITEM REMOVED FOR CONSIDERATION? SAYING NONE.
CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UH, MR. CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION.
WE ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS POSTED, UM, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DALTON.
I BELIEVE I HEARD A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ROSE AND I PUT FRESH BATTERIES IN THE HEARING AIDS.
WHAT, SO THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE AND WAIT A SECOND.
[Items 3A & 3B]
OUR FIRST ZONING CASE.THIS IS A TWO-PARTER, UH, PART THREE, A CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION OF ALLAR GROUP REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR AN AUTOMATED ROLLOVER CAR WASH USE.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1 5 0 1 NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.
THIS ITEM WAS POSTPONED FROM OUR OCTOBER 10TH MEETING AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
AND ITEM THREE B, CONSIDERATION THE APPLICATION OF ALLAR GROUP REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A PLAN FOR AN AUTOMATED ROLLOVER CAR WASH ON PROPERTY ZONE COMMUNITY RETAIL AGAIN AT 15 0 1 NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.
IS THE, UH, APPLICANT HERE? I THINK I GOT A COUPLE CARDS, BUT I DON'T HAVE AN APPLICANT CARD.
AND IF YOU'LL FILL ONE OUT AFTERWARDS AND GIVE IT TO HER, THAT'D BE FINE.
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DRIVEN BRANDS IN AL GROUP.UH, THE ADDRESS IS 11 5 16 CY, UH, SPRING CYPRESS STONEWALL.
UM, I, I'LL START WITH PRESENTING.
UH, THE ADDRESS FOR, UH, THE CAR WASH IS 15 0 1 NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.
UM, THE DEVELOPER WILL BE DRIVEN BRANDS.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, TO DEVELOP THE CAR WASH AT THE INTER, UM, I'M SORRY,
WE ARE, ARE PROPOSING TO, UH, DEVELOP THE CAR WASH, UH, AT THE PROPERTY THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY A LARGER PROPERTY THAT WOULD, THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO SUBDIVIDE.
UM, THE FRONT PORTION WILL BE DEVELOPED AS A CAR WASH AND THE BACK PORTION WILL REMAIN AS A, UH, MEDICAL, UH, MEDICAL FACILITY.
UM, UH, THE AREA ADJACENT TO THE CAR WASH IS MOSTLY COMMERCIAL.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREAS, UH, TOWARDS THE NORTH, BUT THAT'S, UH, THERE'S A BUFFER OF APPROXIMATELY 160 FEET, UH, FROM OUR, UH, NEAREST PROPERTY LINE TO, UH, THE NEAREST, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
UM, UM, BASED ON THE STAFF REPORT, UH, IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT, UH, WE HAVE 130 FEET, UM, UH, BUFFER.
UH, WE ARE EXCEEDING THAT I'D.
UM, SO, UM, THE, THE ZONING, UH, WE, UH, ZONING IS, UH, COMMERCIAL RETAIL.
UM, UH, CAR WASH FACILITIES ARE, UM, ALLOWED IN COMMERCIAL RETAIL WITH A SPECIAL USE, UH, PERMIT.
YOU, UM, AS I MENTIONED, MAJORITY OF THAT AREA, UM, IS SHOPPING CENTERS, RESTAURANTS, BANKS, AND MEDICAL, UM, MEDICAL OFFICES.
UM, THE CLOSEST, UH, CAR WASH FACILITY, UM, IS, UH, THREE MILES FROM THAT AREA.
SO, UH, IT'S TO THE BENEFIT OF THE AREA, UH, TO HAVE A CAR WASH, UM, THAT WOULD SERVE THAT AREA.
UM, UH, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 165 FEET FROM THE CLOSEST, UH, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UH, PROPERTY.
UM, UM, IF YOU CAN, UM, SEE THE, UH, YELLOW, UM, BUFFER AREA THAT'S, UH, THE MEDICAL, UH, FACILITY THAT WILL REMAIN IN, UH, IN PLACE.
UH, AND THERE'S A GOOD AMOUNT OF, UH, UM, LANDSCAPE IN THE AREA THAT WILL SERVE AS A BUFFER.
UM, THIS ANOTHER OVERVIEW OF THE AREA THAT SHOWS THAT, UH, THERE ARE, UM, A LOT OF RETAIL IN THE AREA.
UH, YOU HAVE WALMART, UH, ALDI, UM, AND THEN A STRIP CENTER JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM US.
UH, UM, ONE, ONE OF, UH, THE OBJECTIONS THAT WERE, UH, MENTIONED IN THE, UM, UH, STAFF REPORT WAS, UH, UH, UH, WAS THE, UH, UH, THE BAY OF THE CAR WASH FACING, UM, FACING, UH, FACING THIS, UH, THE MAIN STREET.
UM, OUR CAR WASH HA HAS A LIMITED FRONTAGE WITH THE HIGHWAY.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 40 FEET, AND WE ARE PRO PROVIDING, UH, SHRUBS AND ALSO ADDED LANDSCAPE THAT WILL SCREEN THE SIDE, UH, WILL SCREEN THE SIDE.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'LL HELP WITH, UH, UH, WITH THAT CONCERN.
UH, BUT OVERALL WE WERE STUDYING THE AREA FOR OTHER CAR WASH.
THERE ARE CAR WASHES, UH, UH, THAT HAS, UH, THAT, THAT HAS THE SAME, THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE SAME, UM, CONCERN, UH, UH, OR THE, WITH THE SAME ISSUE.
UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE CAR WASH.
IT'S, UH, WHITE WIDE WATER CAR WASH.
UH, THE BAY, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, FACES A MAJOR, UH, ROADWAY AND IT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
UM, AND, UH, THEY ARE NOT PROPOSING, UH, AS MUCH OF BUFFER THAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
UM, BUT IN, IN SENSE OF, UH, THE BUFFER, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE LOT BEING, UM, SO MUCH DISTANCE APART ARE PROPOSING FENCE AND FENCING AND, UH, LANDSCAPE.
UH, THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE, UM, THAT, UH, UH, THE CAR WASHES A STAR CAR WASH.
UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL LOT.
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UH, BELT LINE ROAD, WHICH IS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, UM, BUMPER TO BUMPER CAR WASH HAS, UM, UH, THE SAME, UM, CONFIGURATION, UM, UH, REALLY CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL AREA AND ALSO, UM, FACING A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.UM, WITH, WITH THAT SAID, IN NO WAY WE ARE SAYING THAT, UH, TORAN MAKES, UH, UH, MAKES A RIGHT.
UH, WE ARE, UH, WILLING TO HEAR ANY SUGGESTION AND PROVIDE ANY TYPE OF SCREENING OR DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE CONDITION.
UM, UM, I'M GONNA GO OVER SOME MORE SIDE SPECIFIC, UH, THINGS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, UH, WE ARE ONLY 40 FEET.
WE HAVE ONLY 40 FEET OF FRONTAGE, AND WE ARE WILLING TO, UH, UH, TO, UM, ACCEPT ANY SUGGESTION, UH, THAT, UM, UH, MITIGATES THAT CONCERN.
UM, ON THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL SIDE, UM, WE HAVE A GOOD AMOUNT OF BUFFER, BUT, UH, IF, UH, IF SOUND IS A CONCERN, WE ARE OPEN TO SOUND WALL.
UM, ALTHOUGH IT'S GONNA BE REALLY FAR APART FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, UH, WE ARE OPEN TO, UM, INTRODUCING MORE LANDSCAPING, UM, TO HELP WITH THE, UH, WITH THE SOUND AND WITH THE, UH, PRIVACY AND ALL THAT.
UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA RUN THROUGH THE, UH, MORE SITE SPECIFIC, UM, UH, THINGS.
UM, THE LANDSCAPE AREA WILL BE APPROXIMATELY, UH, UH, 0.27 ACRES.
PAVEMENT AREA WILL BE 0.6, UH, FOUR ACRES.
UM, UH, IN THE TOTAL IMPERVIOUS WITH THE BUILDING WILL BE 0.7 ACRES.
UM, WE HAVE WORKED WITH, UH, TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO ADDRESS ALL THEIR CONCERNS REGARDING TRAFFIC FLOW, REGARDING, UM, DUMPSTER LOCATIONS AND DIFFERENT OTHER ITEMS. WE'VE BEEN, UH, CLOSELY COORDINATING WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE APPE ALL THEIR COMMENTS.
UM, THIS IS ENLARGE SITE PLAN, AND ALSO IT INCLUDES A RENDERING.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S NOT A, UM, I DON'T WANNA MENTION THE WORD CHEAP, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S APPEALING CAR WASH.
IT'S NOT CAR WASH THAT'S BUILT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, COSTLESS OR SAVE MONEY DRIVEN BRANDS OR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD FRIENDLY CAR WASHES.
THEY WANNA BUILD CAR WASHES AND WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO EARN THEIR BUSINESS.
UM, SO THEY'RE FOCUSING NOT ONLY ON, UH, BUILDING A CAR WASH AND, UH, HANDING THAT OVER TO SOMEONE ELSE.
THEY OPERATE THOSE CAR WASHES AND MAINTAIN IT WELL WHEN THEY OPERATE THE CAR WASH, UH, UH, PART OF, UH, FORTUNE 500, UH, COMPANIES.
SO OBVIOUSLY THEIR IMAGE MATTERS TO THEM.
UM, THIS IS ANOTHER RENDERING IN THE ACTUAL FLOOR PLAN OF THE TUNNEL ITSELF.
UM, THE TALLEST, UM, SO THE TALLEST FEATURE FOR THE BUILDING WILL BE, UM, HARD TO SEE 31 FEET IN SOME CHANGE.
UM, AND THAT'S NOT, UH, THE OCCUPIED STATE.
IT'S JUST, UH, UH, ARCHITECTURAL, UH, ARCH, UH, FEATURE, UH, THAT'S THAT TALL.
UM, THIS IS, UH, A DIFFERENT, UH, SIDES OF THE BUILDING.
WE HAVE, UM, UH, WE HAVE MODIFIED OUR PRO PROTOTYPE, UH, BUILDING TO, UH, MAKE IT MORE, UM, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BLEND INTO THAT, UH, INTO THAT AREA AND ALSO MAKE IT, UH, UH, TO SOMETHING THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY.
SO, UH, WE HAVE HAD, UH, A GOOD AMOUNT OF, UH, FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY ON WHAT TO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT TO ADD AND WHAT TO REMOVE ON THESE, UH, UM, ELEVATIONS.
UH, THAT'S, UM, UH, ANOTHER CAR WASH, UH, THAT'S, THAT EVENTUALLY OUR CAR WASH WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, WITH, WITH THAT, UH, I JUST WANNA COME BACK TO THE FACT THAT WE ARE, UM, I, I DID PRESENT SOME CASES THAT, UH, WANTED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, SAY THAT WE ARE NOT REQUESTING SOMETHING OUT OF ORDINARY.
IT WAS REQUESTED BEFORE, BUT WE ARE, UM, WE ARE OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTION OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO BUILD THIS CAR WASH AT THAT LOCATION.
ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER ROSE,
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WHAT IS A, UH, ROLLOVER CAR WASH? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN,ON A CABLE AND IT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
YOU, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DRIVE, UH, DRIVE AWAY WITH A CLEAN CAR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I SEE NONE.
AND CAN I HAVE A COUPLE SPEAKERS I'LL ASK YOU BACK UP AFTERWARDS? ALRIGHTY.
UH, MR. BRENT RICH, GOOD EVENING.
UH, BRENT RICH, 1410 MAYFIELD GARLAND, TEXAS 75 0 4 1.
UH, HE MENTIONED THAT THE NEAREST CAR WASH WAS THREE MILES AWAY.
UH, UH, THE NEAREST CAR WASHED FROM THIS LOCATION WOULD BE 1.3 MILES, AND IT WOULD BE AT CENTERVILLE AND DUCK CREEK WHITEWATER.
UH, WE'RE DEFINITELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE OF THIS CAR WASH.
WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, THERE IS NO, WE LOST THE WALL THAT WE HAD BEHIND OUR HOUSE, UH, JUST RECENTLY, UH, DUE TO ZONING CHANGES.
SO NOW THE, THE WALL THAT WAS BEHIND OUR HOUSE WAS A MASONRY WALL, BUT NOW IT'S, UH, IT'S, UH, A FOUR FOOT RETAINING WALL THAT IS NOT EVEN ENGINEERED, UH, AT THIS POINT.
UH, SO IT'S, IT'S BREAKING CITY CODE AT THAT POINT, AND IT HASN'T EVEN BEEN FINISHED YET.
SO THERE'S PUTTING ROD IRON ON TOP OF A FOUR FOOT MASONRY WALL OR, UM, RETAINING WALL.
AND SO WE HAVE NO SOUND BARRIER ANYMORE THAT WE USED TO HAVE.
UM, THERE IS NO, UH, PLANT OR SCREENING ON THIS WALL THAT'S DIRECTLY BEHIND OUR HOUSE.
UH, THE OTHER THING WAS, UM, FROM ENGINEERING, IT'S SAYING THAT IT'S GONNA INCREASE THE WATER, UH, PROVISIONS BY 23%.
UM, SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF WATER RETENTION ON SITE.
THE ROAD THAT THEY'RE, THAT IS, UM, THAT YOU WOULD DRIVE IN ON, ON HIS PICTURE.
UH, IT IS NOT EVEN A ROAD IF YOU WERE TO GOOGLE IT, IT'S CALLED NORTHWEST DRIVE OR NORTHWEST VILLAGE DRIVE, WHICH DOESN'T COME UP ON GOOGLE.
AND, UH, SO WE'RE DEFINITELY, THAT'S ONE OF OUR CONCERNS.
THE, THE CONCERN IS JUST, UM, THE MAIN CONCERN IS REALLY THE NOISE, THE ADDITIONAL NOISE THAT IS BACKING UP TO THIS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
UM, AND THAT, I THINK THAT'S ALL I GOT.
ANY QUESTIONS WITH THE SPEAKER? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN.
UH, NEXT I HAVE A CARD FROM MICHAEL MCGRAIN.
I AM VERY GOOD AT MISREADING, HANDWRITING, AND MISPRONOUNCING NAMES.
I, UNFORTUNATELY HAPPEN TO BE THE NEXT CLOSEST RESIDENT TO THIS PROJECT.
THE CLOSEST RESIDENT IS 85 YEARS OLD AND WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND HERE TONIGHT.
THE NEXT CLOSEST RESIDENT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HER IS ALSO 82 AND HAS MEDICAL ISSUES AND COULDN'T BE HERE.
IN TALKING TO MY NEIGHBORS, THERE'S A SEVERE AMOUNT OF CONCERN THAT THIS CONTINUES TO BUILD UP BEHIND US.
AND BECAUSE OF THE GDC AND THE WAY IT WAS PREVIOUSLY SET UP, PROTECTIVE BARRIERS TO PROTECT US FROM WHAT GOES ON ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, WHICH WE UNDERSTOOD THAT WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSES, IT WAS COMMERCIAL, BUT THE, THE WALLS HAVE DISAPPEARED.
THE VEGETATION SCREENS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
THEY'VE ALL BEEN CHOPPED DOWN.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE SAYS THERE'S ADEQUATE VEGETATION.
I I, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA CUT IT.
I ALSO HAVE A CONCERN THAT THE MEDICAL BUILDING THERE IS ALSO A HAVEN TO HOMELESS PEOPLE.
CURRENTLY WE HAVE THIS PROBLEM IN OUR BACKYARD.
OKAY, THEN I HAVE TO TALK ABOUT LIGHT POLLUTION OR BEING FLOODED WITH LIGHT FROM WALMART, ALDI, UNTIL ALDI TURNS HIS LIGHTS OFF AT NIGHT.
THEY MADE THAT CONCESSION TO US IN THEIR THING.
BUT WE'RE ALREADY FLOODED WITH LIGHT POLLUTION.
IF YOU COME INTO MY BACKYARD, I MEAN, PHYSICALLY IN MY BACKYARD, YOU CAN READ A BOOK AT NIGHT.
NOT COOL, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, I LIKE THE DARK.
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IN MY BACKYARD WHEN I COME HOME FROM WORK AND I THINK I'M ENTITLED TO THAT.I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT IS THERE GONNA BE CAMERAS SUPPORTING THIS PLACE SO THAT THE ACTIVITY AT NIGHT IS RECORDED? CUZ CAR WASHES DO SOMETIMES ATTRACT ISSUES, EVEN THE AUTOMATIC ONES AFTER THEY'RE CLOSED AT NIGHT.
IN ALL FAIRNESS, WE GO ON TO TALK ABOUT THE 32 FOOT HEIGHT.
I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THAT FROM MY BACKYARD.
NORTHWEST VILLAGE DRIVE, WHEN YOU CALL 9 1 1, THEY'VE NEVER HEARD OF IT, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE THE STREET, QUOTE UNQUOTE THEIR TRAFFIC.
IT'S A NARROW DRIVEWAY COMING OFF THE STREET.
SO UNLESS THEY'RE ENLARGING THAT AND REDOING THAT, I DON'T SEE HOW IT'S GONNA HANDLE THE TRAFFIC FLOW.
I MEAN, I'VE GOTTA BE HONEST, IF YOU GO MEASURE IT, IT'S LIKE 29 FEET OR 31 FOOT ACROSS.
I WAS WORKING QUICKLY, I WAS DOING A QUICKIE.
THERE WAS CARS COMING AND I COULDN'T BE TOTALLY ACCURATE.
I'M SORRY, I I I JUST HAVE SOME CONCERNS HERE.
I'VE SEEN THESE PLACES WHERE ACCIDENTALLY LEAVE THE MUSIC ON AT NIGHT.
WHO AM I GONNA CALL AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT WHEN I'M LISTENING TO THEIR MUSIC? NOBODY, BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE NOBODY THERE, AND I'M SURE THEY'RE NOT GIVING ME THEIR HOME NUMBERS.
SO THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS I'M COMING UP WITH.
LIGHT POLLUTION, THE SOUND CAMERAS WATCHING FOR THE TRAFFIC AND ACTIVITY IN THE AREA THAT'S ALREADY ELICITED IN ALREADY A PROBLEM.
AND A GP D HAS, HAS FOUGHT AS HARD AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO TRY AND STOP, AND IT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE.
WE'VE ALSO GOT TWO DEVELOPMENTAL DAYCARE CENTERS FOR ADULTS THERE THAT ARE QUOTE UNQUOTE ALLOWED UNDER OFFICE BUILDINGS.
AND WE HAVE THAT TRAFFIC AND THAT NOISE BACK THERE.
I WON'T ATTACH IT TO THIS ISSUE, BUT WE'RE ALREADY STRUGGLING TO PROTECT OUR HOMES, OUR HOME VALUES, AND WHAT WE'VE PUT IN.
I MEAN, I'VE JUST FINISHED REMODELING MY HOUSE.
MY WIFE ANNOUNCES WE'RE GONNA DIE IN THIS HOUSE.
WELL, LAST YEAR,
AND THEN SHE FINDS OUT ALL THIS IS GOING ON AND SHE'S LIKE, THAT'S IT.
AND I'M SITTING THERE GOING, OH, COME ON,
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHERE TO FIX THEIR HOUSES, KEEP THEIR HOUSES UP OR JUST LET 'EM GO BECAUSE WE'RE SOUTH GARLAND AND WE DON'T KIND OF COUNT IN THAT CORNER OVER THERE.
IF YOU, IF YOU COULD WRAP UP PLEASE.
ANY, WELL, NO, I'VE GOT SOME, UH, PEOPLE WHO WISH TO TALK TO COMMISSIONER ROBIN.
THANK YOU MR. MCGREGOR FOR COMING DOWN.
UM, AND, AND IF YOU COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE, UNDER THE CURRENT INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S THERE, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ALONG, PARTICULARLY ALONG MAYFIELD AND CLEARPOINT THAT BORDERS THAT IN THAT BERM.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU'VE HAD JUST OVER THE YEAR? I MEAN, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER, YOU AND I HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT US.
OH, I, WE, WE STARTED WITH GOODWILL AND ALDI.
WE USED TO HAVE A WALL, A RETAINING WALL BETWEEN DART AND US, WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL USAGE OF THAT PROPERTY THAT WENT FROM THE CAR WASH TO THE, ALMOST TO THE CORNER WHERE AN INSURANCE BUILDING WAS WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT CAME IN OF ALDI AND THE GOODWILL STORE FOR SOME REASON, BECAUSE THE GDC DOESN'T ALLOW FOR PROPER RETAINING WALLS, OR FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, WHATEVER WALLS YOU WANT TO CALL.
AND YOU GO ALL OVER THIS TOWN, YOU GO TO THE WALMART, NORTH GARLAND AVENUE, IT'S NOT IN THE GDC, BUT THEY'VE GOT A HUGE WALL BETWEEN THEM AND THE NEIGHBORS.
YOU GO TO THE HOME DEPOT AT JUPITER AND WALNUT, JUPITER BUCKINGHAM THERE, THEY'VE GOT A HUGE WALL BEHIND THEIR COMPLEX IN THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S NOT RE REQUIRED BY THE GDC, BUT AS GOOD NEIGHBORS, THEY DID IT.
AS THESE OTHER PEOPLE MOVED IN, THE WALL WENT AWAY AND WE ENDED UP WITH A SLOPED BERM WITH SOME VEGETATION.
THE IRRIGATION PIPES ARE BROKEN CONSTANTLY.
THE WATER RUNS DOWN, THE IRRIGATION DOESN'T WATER THE VEGETATION, THE VEGETATION LOOKS HORRIBLE.
AND ALL WE HAVE IS A HILL THAT YOU CAN WALK OVER.
SO NOW WHEN THE POLICE ARE ON ONE SIDE OF THE HILL DEALING WITH PEOPLE, ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS RUN INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
OR SOMETIMES WHEN WE GET 'EM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY'RE INVOLVED IN ACTIVITIES THAT PROBABLY AREN'T APPROPRIATE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY GO BACK UP THE WALL.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO HIT THAT.
GPD IS IN THE ALLEY AND THEY'VE ALREADY GONE OVER THE HILL, WHICH IS IN A SIX FOOT WALL ANYMORE, OR A FIVE FOOT WALL.
SO SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS AT THAT END OF THE STREET, WHICH AREN'T AS AFFECTED BY THIS, DON'T LIKE THAT THING
OKAY, SORRY, I TALK WITH MY HANDS.
THEY HAVE A PROBLEM IN THAT WHEN THEY USED TO WALK OUT AND HAVE A
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WALL, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, BLOCKING THE VIEW IN THEIR BACKYARD AND KEEPING THINGS ON A COMMERCIAL SIDE THAT BELONG THERE.NOW THEY LOOK OUT AND THEY'RE WALKING, LOOKING AT THE BACK OF GOODWILL.
THEN AS YOU MOVE A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN THE BER WE'VE HAD INFESTATIONS OF HOMELESS WHERE WE HAD HEALTH DEPARTMENT ISSUES BECAUSE OF THE HUMAN DEFECATION, THE ANIMALS IT ATTRACTED, THE FOOD IT ATTRACTED, WE HAD A WAR ALDI THAT WENT ON FOR TWO YEARS BEFORE THE CITY WAS FINALLY ABLE TO FORCE THEM INTO PUTTING IN A COMPACTOR TYPE TRASH SYSTEM INSTEAD OF DUMPSTERS WHERE THE HOMELESS WERE LINED UP AT NIGHT, TAKING FOOD OUT, GOING UP ON THE BERM, EATING A LOT OF HIGH SUGAR CONTENT FOODS AND THE RESULTING EFFECT OF THAT, LEAVING THAT ON THE BERM AND HERE CAME THE POSSUMS, THE RATS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
WE JUST DON'T WANT TO GET INTO
SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, SIR.
WHAT YOU BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE BERM AND WHAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH.
NO, IT DOES AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND, AND, AND FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE TALK ABOUT NO, NO VEGETATION BEING ON THE BERM, WELL SOME OF IT'S DYING.
A COUPLE OF TREES ARE GONNA FALL DOWN INTO SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD OR IT'S A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM AND YOU TAKE OUT VEGETATION SO THAT PEOPLE WON'T LIVE BACK THERE AND SO IT, YOU END UP WITH A CYCLICAL ISSUE.
I DO WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING IS WHAT I DO, BUT WHAT WE DO IS WE WORK WITH LANDSCAPERS TO CUT AWAY THE BOTTOMS OF THE TREES.
NOT THE TREE ITSELF, BUT THE BRANCHES, WHICH ELIMINATES THE PLACES FOR THEM TO HIDE AT THE BASE OF THE TREE.
A LOT OF THESE TREES ALONG THERE ARE TO THE GROUND, THE EVERGREENS, CUZ THAT WAS THE CHEAPEST, EASIEST, FASTEST GROWING VEGETATION.
AND THEY CAN GET IN THERE AND NEST AND YOU CAN SHINE.
POLICE CAR SPOTLIGHTS IN THERE AT NIGHT.
I KNOW, CUZ I HAVE A CAR POLICE SPOTLIGHT ON IT.
UH, BEFORE, UH, COMMISSIONER ROSE ASKS YOU A QUESTION, DO NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? SURE.
MICHAEL MCGREGOR 1506 CLEARPOINT DRIVE, GARLAND, TEXAS.
COMMISSIONER ROSE, HAVE YOU HAD, AND YOUR NEIGHBORS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH THE APPLICANT AND DISCUSS THIS? NO, SIR, WE WERE NOT, WE WOULD GLADLY SIT DOWN AT A COMMUNITY MEETING.
UH, MR. AUBURN HAS HAD 'EM BEFORE WHEN WE DID THE GOODWILL AND THE, ALL THESE SITUATIONS.
WE'VE HAD 'EM AT THE SCHOOL ROOF ROACH, AND WE HAD ONE HERE AND I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN GET MY NEIGHBORS, I MEAN, THEIR AGE ISN'T GONNA CHANGE.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET ANY YOUNGER.
BUT YOU COULD, YOU COULD SPEAK, I WILL GLADLY COME OUT AND SPEAK TO THEM AND GLADLY, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS ISSUES AND SEE IF THERE'S REMEDIES.
WOULD YOU BE, WOULD YOU ENTERTAINED SITTING DOWN WITH THE APPLICANTS AND DISCUSSING YOUR YES SIR.
THE ONLY CAVEAT IS I'M LEAVING WEDNESDAY FOR A WELL DESERVED VACATION ON MY BOAT IN CLEARWATER AND I AIN'T CANCELING IT.
IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYBODY GOOD? ALRIGHTY.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN THE AUDIENCE, UH, PEOPLE IN THE ARTS, WE SHOULD SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT BACK UP TO ADDRESS.
ANYTHING YOU WANNA GO OR YOU WANT ME TO GO? EITHER ONE, EITHER ONE OF YOU OR BOTH.
I I'LL START WITH ADDRESSING SOME OF THE CONCERNS AND THEN I'LL GIVE MR. GORDON AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE REALLY OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTION.
UM, UH, WHAT I HEARD WAS, UH, UH, CONCERNS REGARDING NOISE.
UM, WE ARE OPEN TO A SOUND BARRIER IF THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL OR SOUND BARRIER IS NOT IN PLACE.
WE ARE WILLING TO, UM, I'M TRYING TO GO BACK TO THE, UM, THE SITE PLAN.
WE ARE WILLING TO PROVIDE SOUND BARRIER ALONG THE NORTH NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE AND ALSO ON THE WEST SIDE.
UM, THAT SHOULD, UH, SHIELD OUR DEVELOPMENT.
UH, ALTHOUGH THERE'S 160 FEET OF BUFFER THERE, UH, THAT SHOULD SHIELD, UH, ANY NOISE, UH, UH, FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO HELP WITH NOISE FROM THE, UH, HIGHWAY.
UM, UH, ALSO WE ARE WILLING TO, UH, UH, PROPOSE MORE, UH, LANDSCAPING AT, ON OUR OWN PROPERTY TO FURTHER HELP WITH BUFFERING, UH, OR, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, HELP WITH, UH, ANY NOISE CONCERN THAT'S THERE.
UM, THE SECOND CONCERN I HEARD WAS REGARDING, UH, THE, UH, THE LIGHTS.
UH, WE ARE, WE WILL BE, UH, WE WILL BE PROVIDING A, A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN THAT SHOWS THAT THE LIGHTS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING WILL NOT ILLUMINATE, UH, OUT OF THE BOUNDARIES OF OUR, UH, OUR PROPERTY.
SO NOT ONLY ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, THERE SHOULD BE NO, UM, UH, LIGHT, UH, LIGHT ELIMINATING OUTSIDE PROPERTY BOUNDARY ON THE COMMERCIAL OR HIGHWAY SITE
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FOR US AS WELL.THE THIRD CONCERN I HEARD WAS REGARDING DRAINAGE.
UH, WE WILL, UH, WE WILL BE PROVIDING A COMPLETE DRAINAGE ANALYSIS THAT SHOWS THE PRE EXISTING DRAINAGE FLOWS FOR FIVE, 10 YEAR 25 IN A HUNDRED YEAR EVENT AND SHOW THE, UH, PROPOSED, UH, FLOWS, UH, EITHER REDUCING IT OR PROPOSING SOME KIND OF UNDERGROUND TENSION THAT WILL RETAIN THAT WATER, UH, BEFORE.
UH, SO BASICALLY WE WILL NOT INCREASE ANY KIND OF, UH, DRAINAGE FLOWS FOR THE AREA.
COMMISSIONER ROSE HAS A FOLLOW UP.
IF, UH, YOU WANTED TO SURE ANSWER THAT BEFORE THE OTHER GENTLEMAN COMES UP FOR EITHER ONE OF THEM, WOULD, WOULD YOU BE WILLING, SINCE YOU'VE ALREADY POSTPONED THIS FOR OVER A MONTH, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO, UH, SIT DOWN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PHYSICALLY COMMIT YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS, THIS, THIS, AND THIS, AND THIS WITH LIGHTS, WITH WALLS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, BEFORE IT'S BEING CONSIDERED, UH, BECAUSE OF THEIR POSTPONEMENT, THERE'S NO OTHER POSTPONEMENT AVAILABLE, SO THEY WOULD'VE TO DO THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THE CITY COUNCIL WHEN, WHEN, IF IT'S GONNA COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL? WE, WE HAVE TO ACT TONIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT GOES BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, BUT THE DEVELOPER HAS GIVEN ME THE DISCRETION TO AGREE TO ALL THE CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE, UH, ACCEPTING THE SOUND BARRIER, ACCEPTING, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT INCREASING DRAINAGE FLOWS, UH, OR ANY OTHER CONCERNS IF THEY HAVE, UH, WE CAN AGREE TO IT IN THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW, BUT ACCEPTING IT VERBALLY AND SHOWING HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH THIS ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND, AND THAT'S WHEN THE, UH, UH, UH, THE PERMITS OFFICE AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMES INTO PICTURE, UM, TO, UH, YOU KNOW, KEEP US THROUGH TO OUR, UH, PROMISES.
UM, WE WILL SUBMIT DRAINAGE REPORT TO THEM.
WE WILL SUBMIT PLANS FOR, UH, SOUND BARRIER.
UH, IT CAN BE A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL TO, YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S APPROVED BASED ON THOSE CONDITION, IF THAT'S AN OPTION.
UM, AND, UM, WE, WE WILL PROVIDE ALL THOSE DOCUMENTATION AND ALSO PROVIDE, UH, NOT ONLY TO THE CITY, BUT WE WILL PROVIDE IT TO THE RESIDENT AS WELL, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY AGREE, UH, AGREE WITH US BEFORE, UH, WE GO FOR, UH, ANY KIND OF APPROVAL FROM THE CITY.
THIS WOULD GO BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 6TH.
THAT SHOULD BE AM AMPLE TIME FOR US TO MAKE ALL THOSE, UH, DESIGN, YOU KNOW, SUBMIT ALL THOSE DESIGN.
AND, YOU KNOW, NO MATTER HOW WE VOTE, CITY COUNCIL HAS A LAST SAY WE'RE AN ADVISORY BODY TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND DID THE OTHER GENTLEMAN WISH TO SAY ANYTHING OR YOU SAY THAT I'LL NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
I WILL,
MY NAME IS GORDON SADKIN, UH, 34 19 WESTMINSTER, DALLAS, TEXAS, 75,002 FIVE.
I'M THE SELLER OF THE PROPERTY.
I'M ALSO A DOUBLE DEGREE ENGINEER AND I'M A 40 YEAR, UH, TERM DEVELOPER.
I'VE DEVELOPED NATIONALLY ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
I'VE DONE ABOUT 15 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF DEALS.
UH, THIS IS VERY MINOR COMPARED TO WHAT I USUALLY DO, BUT IN THIS CASE, I'M JUST, I'M THE SELLER AND I'M JUST KIND OF INVOLVED IN THIS ON THE PERIPHERY.
UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT I'VE HEARD, I MEAN, I'VE DEALT WITH IN MUCH LARGER, LARGER SCALE, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY ADDRESS 'EM AS FAR AS THAT LIGHT ADMITTANCE IS CONCERNED.
WILL, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF W WLS LIGHTING OUTTA FORT WORTH? OKAY.
UM, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M ALLUDING TO ARE THESE LIGHT STANDARDS AND THEY'VE GOT VERY DIRECTED HEADS ON THEM SO THAT THE WHOLE THING WILL, IT'LL GO UP IN THE AIR TO A CERTAIN HEIGHT, LET'S SAY 18 FEET.
AND THE HEADS ARE ALL DIRECTED ONTO THE PROPERTY ITSELF AND NOTHING, NOTHING, WHOOPS.
I'M GONNA DO THINGS, NOTHING ESCAPES OUT, AND THEN THEY'LL BE ON A TIMER AND THEY'LL ALL SHUT DOWN.
SO NOTHING'S GONNA GO INTO ANYBODY'S BACKYARDS, WHICH ARE 160 FEET AWAY OR MORE.
UM, AS FAR AS SOUND IS CONCERNED, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A CERTAIN DEGREE OF INTERMITTENT SOUND FROM THE CAR WASH ITSELF, BUT THAT'S NOTHING TO COMPARE TO 28,000 CARS A DAY.
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UH, COMMERCIAL TRUCKING TRAFFIC THAT'S ON NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.AND THAT DECIBEL ACCOUNT'S GONNA BE A WHOLE HECK OF A LOT HIGHER THAN THERE IS COMING OUT OF ANY CAR WASH.
UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A BUFFER OR A BUFFER WALL THAT COULD BE A COMBINATION OF, YOU KNOW, CMU, ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS, PLUS LANDSCAPING THAT'LL SERVE AS A BUFFER.
BUT THEN I KEEP HEARING ABOUT THIS BERM AND IT'S NOT WORKING.
THE IRRIGATION'S NOT WORKING, IT'S GETTING TORN UP.
AND I MIGHT RE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY, TO ALDI, TO GOODWILL, TO EVERYBODY CONCERNED THAT Y'ALL MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT RIP WRAP.
WILL YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? Y'ALL MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT JUST DOING RIP WRAP.
I DID A 600,000 SQUARE FOOT CENTER UP IN DENVER AND WE KEPT LOOKING AT IT AND THE ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY OF LANDSCAPING, ALL OF THAT.
AND IT WAS, I FORGOT THE DISTANCE WAS PROBABLY OVER HALF A MILE AND WE GAVE UP.
WE SAID, WE'RE NOT GONNA FOOL WITH THIS, PARTICULARLY WITH, UH, DENVER AS DIFFERENT WEATHER THAN WE DO HERE.
AND WE DECIDED WE WENT WITH CROP.
IT MADE IT A WHOLE LOT SIMPLER TO MAINTAIN AND A LOT CHEAPER AS FAR AS THIS DENIAL IS CONCERNED.
I'VE GOT SOMETHING I CAN HAND OUT TO EVERYBODY HERE, BUT I'M STILL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY.
THERE'S NO SPECIFICS TO THE DENIAL ITSELF.
UH, I PUT TOGETHER, SHALL WE SAY, THE REBUTTAL ITSELF AND THEN THEY TURNED IT INTO THIS EXHIBIT.
SO I DON'T WANT TO COME ACROSS AS CONFRONTATIONAL.
I'M JUST REALLY CURIOUS BECAUSE THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO ALL OF THIS.
THEY DID MENTION IT AS IN CONFLICT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS THE OVERALL GUIDE FOR WHAT GETS CONSTRUCTED THERE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I JUST NOTICED, I JUST NOTED THAT IN THE GDC WE MET EVERY SINGLE REQUIREMENT AND THEN THERE WAS THE COMMENT ABOUT THE BAY DOORS FACING THE STREETS, BUT I CAME UP WITH THREE EXAMPLES WHERE THERE WAS KIND OF A MOOT POINT.
UH, BEYOND THAT, I CAN, I CAN ADDRESS, I CAN ADDRESS SOUND, I CAN ADDRESS LIGHT, I CAN ADDRESS THAT BERM, I CAN ADDRESS THE, THE BUFFER WALL OR THE BUFFERING.
AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
SINCE I'VE DEVELOPED ABOUT 15 MILLION SQUARE FEET, I'VE DONE BRIDGES, I'VE GROUNDED BUILDINGS, I'VE RUN INTO PROBABLY EVERY SITUATION YOU CAN POSSIBLY IMAGINE.
SO IF, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THROW 'EM AT ME PLEASE.
ANY QUESTIONS OF THIS GENTLEMAN? COMMISSIONER DALTON, YOU MENTIONED THE TRUCK TRAFFIC ON, UH, NORTHWEST HIGHWAY BEING LOUDER THAN THE, UH, CAR WASH.
WHAT'S THE DECIMAL RIDING ON THE CAR WASH? THAT ONE I CAN'T ANSWER, SO I'M SORRY.
UM, SO, SO WITH THE DESIGN THAT THIS CAR WASH USES, UH, SOME CAR WASHES USES A SINGLE, UM, UH, SINGLE HOLES SYSTEM THAT GENERATES A LOT OF NOISE.
THESE CAR WASHES ARE, HAVE, UH, A CENTRAL SYSTEM THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S BASICALLY WITHIN THE BUILDING.
IN THE BUILDING WALLS ARE, UH, RATED, SO THAT HELPS WITH THE NOISE.
UH, UM, I, I DON'T HAVE EXACT NUMBER, BUT IF YOU STAND UP 20 FEET FROM THE CAR WASH WITH THIS DESIGN, YOU WOULD NOT HEAR THE CAR WASH.
UM, THE SOUND WALL WILL FURTHER HELP WITH THAT, BUT SOUND WALL WILL BASICALLY HELP WITH SOME OF THE NOISE FROM THE HIGHWAY.
AND WE ARE DOING THAT TO APPEASE THE CONCERN.
UH, FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, WE KNOW THAT, UH, USING A CENTRAL SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, MUFFLES THE SOUND TO EXTEND THAT, UH, THE SOUND WALL WILL NOT BE NEEDED.
BUT THAT'S JUST A GOOD NEIGHBOR EFFORT ON OUR PART.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER DIRECTLY TO MY QUESTION WHAT THE DECIBEL RATING IS OF THE CAR WASH OUTSIDE THE DOORS? YOU DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER? NO, I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER.
SO, BUT YOU SAID IT WAS SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER THAN THE TRAFFIC OUTSIDE.
SO HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER BY STUDYING SIMILAR PROJECTS? UH UH, NO, NO, NO, THAT WAS NOT MY QUESTION.
HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS IS SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER
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THAN THE TRAFFIC? IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT NUMBER, UH, WE CAN GET THAT NUMBER AND, OKAY.THAT'S, UH, SOMETHING YOU WANT, UH, SOUND.
WE CAN DO, UH, UH, SOUND STEADY AND GIVE YOU THE, THAT NUMBER, BUT, WELL, MOST OF THESE CAR WASH UNITS, DO MOST OF THESE CAR WASH UNITS DO POST A LEVEL THAT SAYS, THIS IS OUR LEVEL AT THE DOOR, OR THIS IS OUR LEVEL AT THE BLOWER OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
BUT YOU DIDN'T BRING THAT INFORMATION.
YOU DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
THAT, AND I CAN DEFINITELY GET BACK TO YOU.
I WANNA JUST, UH, ADDRESS ONE MORE POINT THAT I FORGOT TO ADDRESS WAS THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
UH, CAR WASHES ARE, UH, DAYLIGHT, UH, BUSINESSES, UH, THEY NEVER PASS 7:00 PM SO 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM THOSE ARE, UH, THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION.
IF THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF MY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT SCENE? NONE SHALL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING OR A MOTION DIRECTLY.
UM, I MOVE TO, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TO DENY BOTH ITEMS THREE A AND THREE B.
AND THEN IF I GET A SECOND, THEN I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS IT.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ABIN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS TO DENY ITEMS THREE A AND THREE B.
THE, UH, REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION IN THE PLAN.
AND COMMISSIONER A, DID YOU CARE TO START? YES, I WOULD.
UM, COMMISSIONERS THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I, I APPRECIATE WHAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT REGARDING THE EFFORTS OF, OF THIS DEVELOPER HERE, BUT, UM, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS BEEN PARTICULARLY BURDENED BY THE CURRENT INTENSITY OF USE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE FOR THIS DISTRICT, IT WAS, IT WAS ONE OF THE PROBLEM AREAS ALONG, PARTICULARLY ALONG CLEAR POINT IN, IN MAYFIELD, UH, JUST AT THE CURRENT INTENSITY LEVELS, IT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SIGNIFICANTLY BURDENED.
UM, AND I JUST CAN'T, I CANNOT SEE A CIRCUMSTANCE UNDER WHICH, UM, EVEN WITH EFFORTS TO AMELIORATE SOME OF SOME OF THE ISSUES WHERE THIS WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE USE RIGHT HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, AND, AND WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD ISSUES WHEN WE WERE ON COUNCIL, WE DEALT WITH OTHER CAR WASHES.
WE DEALT WITH ONE AT CENTERVILLE AND KINGSLEY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THOSE FOLKS CAME FORWARD WITH, THEY HAD THE, THEY HAD CHANGED THE ORIENTATION OF THE TUNNEL TO TRY AND DIRECT WHERE THE NOISE WOULD GO.
AND THEY HAD VERY SPECIFIC LOW INTENSITY DRYERS, WHICH TEND TO BE THE LOUDEST THING.
IT'S, I MEAN, YOU HAVE THE VACUUMS, WHICH ARE ONE THING, UH, BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE, THE BLOWERS, WHICH, BECAUSE IT'S AN OPEN TUNNEL, YOU'RE GONNA GET THAT NOISE, IT'S GONNA GET CHANNELED.
UM, BUT EVEN THEN, YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS APPROPRIATE THERE TO BE THAT CLOSE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I, UM, AND THAT'S NOT A DENIGRATION AT ALL WITH THE CONCEPT THAT Y'ALL BROUGHT.
I THINK IT'S A, IT IS OTHERWISE, IT'S A, IT IS OTHERWISE A GOOD LOOKING DESIGN THAT, UH, WOULD BE FINE.
AND, AND I DON'T DOUBT THAT THERE, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE A COUPLE CAR WASHES WITHIN A MILE OR TWO HERE OR THERE, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT IT, THAT IT COULD BE A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS THERE.
BUT I JUST DON'T FEEL THAT THIS IS THE, UM, THAT THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR IT FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO, I'M JUST GONNA SAY, I, I AGREE WITH THE, YOUR ANALYSIS AND, UH, AND TO BE CONSISTENT, THAT WHITE WATER ONE ON REPO I VOTED AGAINST BECAUSE OF THE VACUUMS AND PROXIMITY TO THE RESIDENTIAL.
AND I'VE USED THAT ONE EVERY TIME I VACUUM OUT MY CAR.
I'M GOING, HOW DO THESE PEOPLE LIVE WITH THIS? CUZ IT, IT GOES ON CONSTANTLY.
SO I'M GONNA BE CONSISTENT AND, AND VOTE TO DENY ALSO.
I SEE NO MORE DISCUSSION PREPARED TO VOTE.
AND COMMISSIONER PARS, TRY AGAIN.
SO A YES OR NO, OR, UH, YOU'RE TRYING TO, OKAY, BUT IT'S LOCKED.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, YOU CAN READ OUT WHAT YOU, YOU WERE STATE OUT WHAT YOU WERE GONNA VOTE IF YOU WANT.
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RIGHT NOW THAT PASSES, UH, SIX TO ONE AND YOUR VOTE WAS, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE, WITH THE MOTION.SO, UH, SEVEN TO ONE WITH THE COMMISSIONER JOHNSON OPPOSITION.
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RIGHT.ITEM TWO C, CONSIDER THE APPLICATION OF ATLANTIC URBANA ACQUISITION COMPANY TWO LLC REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM PLANT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 40 FOR SINGLE FAMILY USE TO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MULTIFAMILY ONE USE.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 22 0 1 EAST MILLER.
AND ITEM THREE D, CONSIDERATION THE APPLICATION OF ATLANTIC ORANA ACQUISITION COMPANY TWO LLC REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAIL PLAN FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
OH, IT IS 22 1 EAST MILLER AND 2370 EAST CENTERVILLE IS THE, UH, APPLICANT HERE? OH, THERE HE ARE.
MY NAME IS BILL ALSTROM, UH, 2323 ROSS AVENUE, UH, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, IT'S, UH, PRIVILEGED TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING US TALK.
UH, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE CITY STAFF FOR THEIR, UH, WORK WITH US.
UH, WE HAD A COUPLE ROUNDS OF COMMENTS, MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN, AND, UH, WE APPRECIATE THEIR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL ON THIS, THIS CASE TONIGHT.
UH, AGAIN, IT'S A PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE ON BEHALF OF REBA.
UH, THEY, UH, THEY ARE A HIGH QUALITY COTTAGE STYLE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY BUILDER.
SO THEY, THEY HAVE, UH, PLENTY OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA AND, UM, WORKED.
THEY'RE, UH, UH, PROGRAM IS DEVELOPING, UH, AGAIN, UM, WHAT THEY CALL THE YARD HOME.
IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY STYLE RENTAL COMMUNITY WITH EACH, FOR EACH UNIT HAS A, A REAR YARD, BACKYARD.
YOU KNOW, IT PROVIDES US, AS STATED IN THIS SLIDE, THE FLEXIBILITY OF AN APARTMENT, BUT THE FREEDOM OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THIS, ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW, INTEREST RATES ARE GOING UP AND, YOU KNOW, WE ARE DEALING WITH COSTS.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT, UH, UH, UH, PRODUCT, IF YOU WILL FOR THOSE LOOKING FOR, UH, AGAIN, THE MIDDLE, MISSING MIDDLE HOMES, WHICH, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEING, UH, WRITTEN OF QUITE A BIT IN ALL THE PLANNING JOURNALS ABOUT WE NEED MISSING MIDDLE HOMES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES.
UM, AGAIN, AANA HAS A PLENTY OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA.
THEY'VE GOT 14 PROJECTS UNDERWAY IN, IN TEXAS ALONE.
UH, BUT THIS, THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE SITE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY OUTLINED THERE AND HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ARE TUCKED INTO, UH, ADJACENT TO THE FLOOD PLAIN, WHICH PROVIDES A PRETTY UNIQUE, UH, AREA AND ALLOWS A REALLY NICE, UH, PALLET, IF YOU WILL, FOR A VERY INNOVATIVE DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS THIS, THIS PROJECT.
AND, UM, AGAIN, WE'VE GOT ACCESS OFF OF CENTERVILLE.
WE'VE GOT TWO ACCESS POINTS OFF OF, OFF OF MILLER.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE REALLY ARE NOT ADJACENT TO ANY SINGLE FAMILY.
UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, OUR, OUR NEAREST UNIT IS SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET AWAY FROM SINGLE FAMILY ON THE WEST SIDE OF CENTERVILLE.
AND YOU HERE'S THE, UH, ZONING MAP, AND YOU CAN SEE AGAIN, UM, THE, UH, AGRICULTURE TO OUR EAST, THE, UM, UH, I GUESS STORAGE FACILITIES TO THE NORTH.
AND AGAIN, THEY HAD THIS COMMERCIAL IN THE, UH, CORNER ADJACENT TO US.
THIS IS OUR PROPOSED SITE PLAN, WHICH IS IN YOUR STAFF, IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH SHOWS, AGAIN, UH, PLENTY OF OPEN SPACE, A LOT OF GREEN SPACE, A LOT OF OF TREES.
AND THERE WAS A QUESTION ASKED ON THE BRIEFING SESSION ABOUT, UH, THE FRONTAGE ALONG CENTERVILLE AND HOW STARK LOOKED, UH, ON THE SITE PLAN.
WELL, I LOOKED AT THE, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN AFTER THE, THE PRESENTATION.
THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IN YOUR PACKET SHOWS THAT THERE, WE ARE PROPOSING TREES ALONG CENTERVILLE.
WE ARE PROPOSING A METAL FENCE ALONG, UH, CENTERVILLE.
UH, OUR PLAN SHOWS A SIX FOOT METAL FENCE.
IT SHOWS 33 LARGE CANOPY TREES.
UH, WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE 231 SHRUBS SLASH GRASS PLANTS.
WE ARE ACTUALLY PROPOSING 700 OR PROVIDING 787.
SO WE'RE ADDING SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF VEGETATION ALONG THERE.
AND I THINK THAT WAS A GREAT COMMENT CUZ I LOOKED AT THE SITE PLANT, I THOUGHT THE SAME THING.
THAT LOOKS PRETTY STARK, BUT IT'S, IT'S THE ENTRY FEATURE INTO THIS COMMUNITY.
WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A REALLY NICE AESTHETIC FOR PEOPLE COMING INTO THE, INTO THE COMMUNITY.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
AND YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE, UH, A GREEN SPACE AT THE CENTER CENTER POINT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WE'VE GOT, AGAIN, PLENTY OF, OF, UH, CONNECTIVITY.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER, WELL, HERE ARE SOME, UH, ELEVATIONS.
AND I I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE ELEVATIONS PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE ARTICULATIONS IN THE DESIGN.
THEY, THEY HAVE PLENTY OF HORIZONTAL AND
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VERTICAL ARTICULATION.UH, AGAIN, THE GREEN SPACE AND OPEN SPACE IS A HALLMARK OF A GREAT COMMUNITY, RIGHT? SO WE WANTED TO PROVIDE THE SAME KIND OF AMENITY IN THE DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT'S WHAT ORANA IS DOING WITH THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS THE, THE STYLE, THE TYPE OF, UH, INTERACTION YOU WOULD HAVE, THE KIND OF OPEN SPACE YOU WOULD HAVE IN THIS, IN THE CENTER OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I KNOW IT WAS IMPORTANT TO THE CITY STAFF.
WHEN WE HAD OUR, UM, COMMUNITY MEETING.
WE DID HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING SEVERAL WEEKS AGO.
WE, UH, PEOPLE WITHIN 400 FEET OF THE, OR OWNERS WITHIN 400 FEET OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WERE CONTACTED.
WE HAD A, UH, A PRETTY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
UM, I KNOW ONE QUESTION WAS, WHAT'S THE CONNECTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT? THAT WAS ONE QUESTION.
THIS ILLUSTRATION IS TO SHOW THE TRAILS INTERNAL AND ACCESS TO THE EXTERNAL ONE.
ANOTHER COMMENT THAT WAS MADE WAS, AREN'T PEOPLE GOING TO CUT FROM CENTERVILLE, GO THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT AND CUT OVER TO, UM, TO MILLER OR VICE VERSA? WELL, WE'VE GOT GATES, SO THAT WON'T HAPPEN.
SO THAT CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC WILL NOT HAPPEN.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE, UH, THE, UH, CONNECTIVITY WAS A, A MAJOR FACTOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS A COMMUNITY WE'RE BUILDING.
SO IT'S PLENTY OF GREEN SPACE, PLENTY OF AMENITIES AND THE CONNECTIVITY AND THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT MAKES A, A COMMUNITY SUCCESSFUL.
AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT OUR PLANNING BRETHREN WILL TELL US, THAT THAT'S WHAT MAKES A COMMUNITY SUCCESSFUL IS THE INTERACTION AMONG FOLKS.
ANOTHER QUESTION AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WAS, UM, WHAT ARE YOUR COMPACTORS GONNA LOOK LIKE? WELL, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE, UH, ENCASED WITH OR SURROUNDED BY A MASONRY WALLS WITH THE GATES AND, UH, EVERGREEN SHRUBS ON THE OUTSIDE.
SO WE ARE PROVIDING SCREENING, AND ACTUALLY THESE ARE TUCK BACK AT THE BACK OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
THEY'RE NOT ALONG THE FRONTAGE.
UH, SO WE ARE PROVIDING, UH, WE THINK SUBSTANTIAL, UH, SCREENING FOR THE TRASH COMPACTOR AND THE RECYCLING COMPACTOR.
THIS IS A PROTOTYPE OF THE, UM, TYPICAL YARD HOME AND PATHWAY, AGAIN, SENDING AROUND A, A GREEN SPACE, UM, WITH A NATIVE ADAPTIVE SHRUBS, UH, GROUND COVERS AND GRASSES, AGAIN, HAVING A LOT OF, OF, UH, LANDSCAPING AND, AND, AND OPEN SPACE TO, UH, HELP CREATE THIS COMMUNITY.
UH, WE ALL WANTED TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE TYPICAL FLOOR PLANS.
AND AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE ONE BEDROOM, AS A STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WE ARE ASKING FOR A DEVIATION FROM THE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY OR ONE BEDROOM RATHER, UH, MAX OR MINIMUM OF SIX 50 TO 6 35.
SO IT'S 15 SQUARE FOOT DIFFERENCE.
BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THE TWO BEDROOM, UM, AND THE THREE BEDROOM, WE EXCEED THE, UH, THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGES FOR THOSE UNITS BASED ON THE MULTIFAMILY, UH, STANDARDS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WHEN WE FIRST FILED THIS CASE MONTHS AGO.
SO AGAIN, THIS, THIS SHOWS A TYPICAL, UH, TYPICAL, UH, FLOOR PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND AGAIN, IT'S IMPORTANT TO US TO PROVIDE A NICE AESTHETIC, PROVIDE, UH, HIGH QUALITY FINISHES, PROVIDE HIGH QUALITY INTERIORS.
UM, SO THIS WOULD BE A TYPICAL, UH, BACKYARD SCENE AND INTERIOR SCENE OF THESE, THIS HIGH QUALITY UNITS.
UH, WITH ME TONIGHT ARE ZACH HINMAN AND JESSICA KING WITH URBANA.
UH, WE'RE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
AGAIN, WE THINK THIS IS A, A GREAT USE FOR THE PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO THE STAFF REPORT, UH, IT'S COMPAT GENERAL COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE DEVELOPMENT IS A DEVELOPMENT STYLE.
THE DEVELOPMENT STYLE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPERTY.
UM, AGAIN, VERY LITTLE IMPACT ON SURROUNDED PROPERTIES, IF ANY.
UH, IT JUST MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT AT THIS LOCATION.
SO AGAIN, UH, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, AND WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
COMMISSIONER DALTON AND COMMISSIONER ROSE.
UH, YOU MENTIONED THE TRASH COMPACTORS AND YOU SHOWED THE, THE, UH, SCREENING FOR THAT.
HOW'S THE TRASH GOING TO GET FROM MY HOME AT THIS END OF THE COMPLEX INTO THESE DUMPSTERS AT THE OTHER END OF THE COMPLEX? ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TRASH PICKUP LIKE THE CITY DOES OR PEOPLE HAVE TO TAKE THEIR OWN TRASH TO THE DUMPSTERS? I WILL ASK, ASK THE FOLKS FROM BAND TO COME UP, BUT IT'S FINE SAYING THERE WILL BE COLLECTIONS OF, OF, OF THE, UH, RECYCLING AND TRASH.
UH, ZACH, DO YOU WANNA ANSWER THAT QUESTION OR JESSICA, AND IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
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JESSICA KING, UM, LIVE AT 29 43 PINNELL STREET IN AUSTIN, TEXAS.SO WE HAVE VALET CONCIERGE SERVICE FOR TRASH.
SO THE RESIDENT WILL PUT IT OUTSIDE THE DOOR.
IT'S PICKED UP FOUR TO FIVE DAYS A WEEK.
JUST LIKE RESIDENTIAL TRASH WORK UP HERE IN GARLAND.
AND WAS IT, WAS IT COMMISSIONER? OH, COMMISSIONER ROSE.
YOU SAID THIS IS GOING TO BE A GATED COMMUNITY.
SO WILL THERE BE A MANDATORY HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION THEN? WELL, THIS WILL BE ONE PROPERTY OWNED BY THE, UH, URBANA.
SO IT'S, IT'S ONE ONE LOT, BASICALLY.
SO IT'LL BE, WELL, THEY'RE NOT SELLING EACH ONE OF THESE HOUSES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
UH, GOING BACK TO THE, UH, DUMPSTER EN CLOSURE, YOU HAD THAT SCREENED REALLY NICELY.
IF YOU COULD, COULD DO THAT ALONG MILLER ROAD TO WHERE WITHIN ABOUT THREE YEARS IT LOOKS LIKE THAT, WHERE THAT FENCE IS FULLY COVERED.
I, I THINK WE'RE GONNA DO GOOD THERE.
I WILL CALL YOU BACK UP AFTER.
JERRY CARTER, UH, 27 25 COUNTRY VALLEY ROAD HERE IN GARLAND.
UH, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO VISIT WITH YOU GUYS TONIGHT, AND IF YOU'LL HUMOR ME JUST A SECOND.
UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED HERE, UM, I'M ALSO CHAIRMAN OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, AND AS Y'ALL ALL KNOW, WE'RE WE NOW, WE'RE NOW ON A MISSION THAT'S NEVER BEEN, UH, HAD BEFORE IN THE CITY OF GARLAND WITH APPROXIMATELY 150 MILLION TO BUILD IN PARKS, WHICH IS PROBABLY ABOUT 125 MILLION MORE THAN WE'VE HAD IN THE WHOLE TIME, THE WHOLE HISTORY OF THIS CITY.
AND IN STARTING THAT OUT, UM, ON OCTOBER THE 24TH, UH, WE HAD THE DEDICATION OF THE, OF THE, UH, SECOND LARGEST, UH, UH, PARK AND, UH, IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
AND THE, AND, AND, AND WE'LL GET TO THAT IN JUST A SECOND HERE.
AND WE HAD A RECOGNITION THERE, AND THE RECOGNITION WAS FOR COMMISSIONER ALBAN AND THE WORK HE DID WHEN HE WAS IN ON THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, THAT 44,600 SQUARE FOOT SKATE PARK.
AND, AND BEING A, BEING A, A RESIDENT OF GARLAND FOR 70 SOME ODD YEARS NOW, UH, I NEVER WOULD'VE THOUGHT THERE'S MORE PEOPLE OUT THERE PER SQUARE FOOT.
IT'S UNBELIEVABLE HOW IT'S HAPPENING.
AND, UM, COMMISSIONER AUBURN, YOUR YOUR REMARKS WERE VERY APPROPRIATE, UH, UH, THAT DAY.
AND, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK TO GET THAT IN HERE.
UM, NOW I HAVEN'T, THE ONLY THING I HAVE IS WHAT WAS ONLINE.
AND SO I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR OR AGAINST, BUT I WANNA JUST BRING UP SOME POINTS.
AND THE REASON I'M BRINGING UP THESE POINTS IS BECAUSE, UH, I SERVE ON THE BOARD OF THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF HOME BUILDERS AND HAVE FOR SEVERAL YEARS, 25, I THINK.
AND, UH, WE JUST CAME BACK FROM OUR MOST RECENT BOARD MEETING WHERE WE WERE DISCUSSING THE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY BUILT FOR RENT, UM, PROJECTS.
AND THIS IS, I KNOW THIS IS A MULTI-FAMILY.
NOW, THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTI-FAMILY CONSIDERATION FROM WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THERE IS WHETHER IT'S ONE LOT OR WHETHER EACH ONE OF THESE LOTS IS DIVIDED UP WHERE IT COULD BE INTO INDIVIDUAL, UH, OWNERSHIP.
AND THIS ONE, THIS ONE ADDRESSES THE MOST SERIOUS PROBLEMS THAT TEND TO BE HAPPENING ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
AND THAT IS WHEN, WHEN YOU DIV DO HAVE MANY HOME, MANY OWNERS, UH, OWNING PROPERTIES THERE, AND THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPERTIES DETERIORATES QUICKLY.
SO HAVING ONE THAT'S, THAT'S A START.
UH, BUT I, I'M, UM, AGAIN, I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR OR AGAINST, BUT I'M SAYING THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE SOME, UH, FAIRLY, FAIRLY WELL WRITTEN STANDARDS FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THIS, OF THIS FACILITY.
UH, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY GONNA BE ONE PERSON TO LOOK TO.
AND THAT ONE PERSON, UM, OR ONE COMPANY YOU NEED, YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT THEY'VE AGREED TO IN DOING THIS.
UH, THE SECOND THING I WAS LOOKING AT EXTERIOR FINISHES ON, ON THE, ON THE PROJECT.
AND THE ONLY, THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE WITH EXTERIOR FINISHES WOULD BE THEY'RE ASKING TO MOVE THE, UH, HOMES CLOSER TOGETHER, MOVE IT DOWN FROM, WHAT, 12 FEET TO SIX FEET, I THINK, ON BETWEEN THEM, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND, UH, HAVING BEEN PART OF RIDING THE SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE MANY YEARS AGO, AND ONE THING WE GOT INTO IS A CONSIDERATION OF, OF FIRE CODES.
UH, WHEN WE DO THAT, AND IT MAY VERY WELL BE THAT WE NEED TO SPECIFY, AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS IT, BUT I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THIS, THIS, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE DONE SOMETHING TO NOT PUT, UH, VERY FLAMMABLE, UM, WALLS IN BETWEEN, IN BETWEEN EACH OF THE HOMES.
THE NEXT THING IS THE, UH, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
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UH, WE, WE SAW SOME, WE SAW SOME PICTURES OF SOME OF SOME SHRUBBERY THAT WAS OUT IN FRONT, UH, OF THE, OF THE, UH, WALLS ALONG MILLER ROAD.AND, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT, UM, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF.
BEEN GOING ON THAT YOU, THAT YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT, BUT WE DO.
AND THAT ISN'T IN THE PARK BOARD.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, WE HAVE MONEY TO, UH, DO BEAUTIFICATION OF SOME OF THE AREAS AROUND TOWN.
AND JUST SO HAPPENS THAT LAST WEEK, NOT KNOWING THAT THIS WAS COMING, UH, THE PLACE WE TALKED ABOUT WAS MILLER ROAD COMING INTO, COMING INTO GARLAND AND GOING DOWN CENTERVILLE ROAD FROM LBJ TO FIRE WHEEL PARKWAY, AND ABOUT THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY FOR TRYING TO BUILD A BETTER FRONT DOORS FOR OUR CITY AND MILLER ROAD.
AND WHERE THEY WERE PUTTING, THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE ONE OF THE FRONT DOORS THAT, THAT WE WERE GONNA BE LOOKING AT FIRST, AND AGAIN, WE HADN'T HAD NO IDEA YOU GUYS WERE COMING OR WHAT YOU WERE DOING.
UH, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GET, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, MORE THAN A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.
YOU KNOW, I'M IN THE BUILDING BUSINESS AND DEVELOPING SOME TOO.
AND SO WE ALL KNOW ABOUT, OKAY, THIS IS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.
WE MET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.
OKAY, WHOOPIE DO, THERE'S BETTER THAN YOU DONE THAN THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT AND THE LITTLE SHRUB THINGS THAT THEY WERE SHOWING THAT LOOKS LIKE GRASS.
WELL, WE, I SHOW YOU WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE.
IF YOU WANNA GO TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF CORNER OF CENTERVILLE AND COUNTRY CLUB ROAD THAT GOT SNUCK IN WITHOUT DOING WHAT THEY HAD, UH, HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED TO DO AND, AND DRAW THEIR PLANTS.
AND THEY USED THAT, THAT, UH, THAT LITTLE GRASS STUFF, AND IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD, BUT YOU CAN'T TELL WHICH ONES ARE GRASS AND WHICH ONES THE WEEDS.
WE, WE NEED THE PRIVACY FIRST OFF BETWEEN THE RESIDENCES AND, AND THAT MAIN STREET.
AND SECONDLY, WE NEED, WE NEED IT SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME BY THERE, THEY COME BY LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BACK THERE.
I MEAN, IT COULD, IT COULD BE, UH, HALF A MILLION DOLLAR HOMES OR IT COULD BE MOST ANYTHING, BUT IF IT, IF IT JUST HAS A LOOK AND THAT LOOK DOESN'T COST A LOT.
UM, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE DID ON, UH, CENTERVILLE ROAD CALLED KENSINGTON GARDENS, UM, HAS, HAS BRICK WALLS ALL THE WAY AROUND IT.
AND, AND IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE TO THE PERCEPTION OF THE CITY.
AND, AND THAT PERCEPTION, YOU ONLY GET ONE FIRST SHOT AND THAT FIRST SHOT'S ON MILLER ROAD, OKAY? RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT, LET ME GET, UH, LET ME GET THIS COUPLE THINGS HERE THAT I ALSO, LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE I'VE GOT IN HERE.
UM, WELL FIRST OFF ANOTHER PIECE.
AND IN OUR ORDINANCE, IF WE DO THIS AS ONE LOT, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU CAN DO THIS OR NOT, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD STATE THAT YOU SHOULD, YOU SHOULD MANDATE THAT THAT ALWAYS RETAINS AND REMAINS IS ONE LOT, BECAUSE WHEN THE PROBLEMS TENDED TO COME UP AROUND, AROUND THE NATION, WERE TIMES WHEN THEY WERE DOING THOSE AS INDIVIDUAL LOTS WITH MULTIPLE OWNERS.
AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING THAT SAYS, OKAY, WE DID ALL OF THIS THIS WAY BECAUSE IT WAS ON, HAD ONE SINGLE OWNERSHIP, THAT THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD REMAIN IN PERPETUITY.
UM, LET'S SEE, UH, THE SIZE OF THE GARAGES, WE, WE SAY WE HAVE GARAGES, THEN WE HAVE GARAGES, BUT WE HAVE GARAGES.
AND IF YOU HAVE A, IF YOU, AND THEN WITH THE GARAGES GO PARKING SPACES, AND WE HAVE A LIMITATION ON, ON THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT WE CAN REQUIRE OVER HERE.
BUT IF WE GO THROUGH OUR, OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY HAVE 50, 60 FOOT WIDE LOTS, AND, UH, AND YOU LOOK AT THE PARKING AND THERE'S CARS PARKED NOSE TO TAIL TO NOSE TO TAIL TO NOSE TO TAIL, SOMETIMES THREE OR FOUR HOUSES, HOUSE WIDE.
AND I, AND THAT IS A PROBLEM THAT I FORESEE OCCURRING OVER HERE.
AND THEN AS, UH, ONE, I'M GONNA DO THE LAST THING, AND THEN I WILL, I WILL QUIT NOW FOR YOU.
AND THAT IS THAT ORIGINALLY, UH, THE CODE WAS GONNA REQUIRE TWO, UM, UH, SWIM SWIMMING AREAS IN THERE, AND THEY REDUCED THAT TO ONE AND MADE IT LARGER, WHICH THAT'S GOOD.
BUT WITH 300 SOME ODD HOMES, NOW YOU'VE GOT ONE POOL AND YOU GOT THE KIDS WANNA PLAY IN THE POOL, AND YOU'VE GOT THE ADULTS THAT WANNA HAVE THE PARTY OUT THERE.
UH, THAT'S GONNA, I CAN SEE THAT BEING A REAL PROBLEM, PROBLEM.
REAL QUICK, NONE OF THIS IS EXPERT, EXPERT KNOWLEDGE.
IT'S JUST MY INTUITIVE THING FROM BUILDING A GARLAND FOR 40 SOME ODD YEARS, AND WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CARTER? UM, I WILL POINT OUT, UH, THEY'RE ASKING FOR 10 FOOT SEPARATION.
SO THEY'RE GOOD WITH THE BUILDING CODES AND EVERYTHING.
I, I WATCH FOR THAT ONE MYSELF.
AND, UM, IF THEY WOULD TRY TO GO TO INDIVIDUAL LOTS, IT WOULD REQUIRE REZONING AND PLATING, AND THEY WOULDN'T MEET ANY OF THE PLATING, REQUIRE ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.
THEY COULD GO CONDO, BUT THAT'S OWNERSHIP.
AND WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT RIDE.
AND, AND I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, THAT THAT'S THE THING YOU WANT TO AVOID HAPPENING.
YOU WANT, YOU WANT THAT TO BE, IF THEY'RE GONNA BUILD IT AS ONE OWNER, THEN IT STAYS AS ONE OWNER BECAUSE THE PROBLEMS MULTIPLY 10, 20, 30 FOLD WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO INDIVIDUAL OWNERSHIP IN THOSE.
THAT'S JUST FROM LISTENING TO PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES
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THE OTHER DAY.IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WE SHOULD SPEAK ON THIS CASE? SEE, NO, NO.
ASK THE APPLICANT BACK UP TO ADDRESS ANY ITEMS. UH, THANK YOU MR. CARTERS.
UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AS FAR AS YOU ANSWERED MY, THE QUESTIONS, I THINK IT WAS, IT'S A 10 FOOT SEPARATION.
I WAS SAYING CENTERVILLE, IT'S A LONG MILLER AND WE'RE, WE'RE PROVIDING 33 TREES ALONG MILLER 33 LARGE CANOPY SHADE TREES WITH, WITH ALMOST THREE TIMES AS MUCH STRAWBERRY AND, AND PLANTINGS ALONG THERE.
SO WE AGREE THAT'S OUR FRONT DOOR, THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN.
SO, UH, WE, WE THINK THAT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN ENOUGH.
UH, AND, AND SET THE STAGE AS THOSE TREES MATURE, OBVIOUSLY IT, IT WILL, UM, IT'S OUR INTENTION TO KEEP IT AS ONE LOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO IN THERE SUBDIVIDED.
SO
UH, OTHER THAN THAT, I, I, I DON'T, I THINK YOU ANSWERED ALL OF OUR OTHER, OTHER ISSUES.
IF THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER THEM.
ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TO PROVE ITEMS C AND D AS PRESENTED THIS EVENING.
WE HAVE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALBAN TO APPROVE ITEMS, UH, C, WHICH IS THE CHANGE IN ZONING TO THE PD AND ITEMS D, THE DETAIL PLAN.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALRIGHTY, PLEASE VOTE.
I HAVE, OH, COMMISSIONER ROSE.
IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN, UH, ASSURE, UH, THE CITY THAT THIS MAINTAINS A SINGLE OWNERSHIP AND THEY DON'T START SELLING OFF INDIVIDUAL LOTS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE? NO, IT WAS THE SHORT ANSWER, BUT MR. ROBERTS, THE CHAIR HAS ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT.
IF, IF THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK AND REPLANT, UH, AS FOR ZONING FOR SINGLE FAMILY.
AND THAT'S HOW WE WOULD ADDRESS IT.
AND SO THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS THAT.
UH, WE'RE STILL IN VOTING HERE.
SO COMMISSIONER PARIS SAYS, YOUR'S NOT WORKING AGAIN.
GO AHEAD AND SHOW THE VOTE AND JUST TELL ME WHAT YOU WERE GONNA, YOU'RE VOTING, I TAKE IT YOU VOTE WITH THE MAJORITY WITH A MOTION? YES.
SORRY ABOUT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALRIGHTY, NEXT ITEM IS, IS A SINGLE ITEM AND NOT A DOUBLE ITEM.
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IT'S A DOUBLE ITEM ALSO, TWO E CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION, A JC COLLISION REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR AUTOMOBILE SALES.NEW OR USED IS PROPERTY LOCATED 29,050 FOREST LANE.
AND ITEM THREE F, CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION OF JC COLLISION REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A PLAN FOR AUTOMOBILE SALES, NEW OR USED ON PROPERTY ZONE INDUSTRIAL.
I DON'T HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS AS THE APPLICANT HERE.
UH, MAYBE I DO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.
I KNOW I HAVE IT HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, GO AHEAD.
MY NAME IS A SADAR, IT'S 29 0 5, UH, FOREST LANE, GARLAND, TEXAS 75,042.
SO I WAS IN THE, I WAS ALSO SITTING IN THE MEETING WHEN YOU GUYS WERE TALKING, AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS RAISED.
I THINK THE CITY IS DENYING IT BECAUSE OF THE PARKING SPOTS.
AND ALL I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR LIKE A CONSUMER AUTO SALES, WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO GET LIKE A WHOLESALE BECAUSE WE GET A LOT OF ABANDONED CARS THAT CAUSES A LOT OF JUNK IN OUR PARKING AREA.
AND, UM, WE'RE ABLE TO, BECAUSE WE HAVE A REPAIR FACILITY AND A BODY SHOP, WE'RE ABLE TO ACTUALLY RETAIN OUR LOSSES BY FIXING THEM AND SELLING THEM IN THE AUCTION.
SO WHAT WE ARE ONLY REQUIRING IS A WHOLESALE PERMIT, WHICH DOESN'T EVEN REQUIRE FROM THE DMV TO HAVE CUSTOMER PARKING SPOTS.
SO THE REQUIREMENT FROM DMV, THAT FIVE CAR CAR PARK SPOT IS NOT THERE IF YOU'RE APPLYING FOR A WHOLESALE DEALER LICENSE.
AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP OUR PREMISES CLEAN AND UNCLUTTERED.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF, UM, OTHER DEALERSHIPS AROUND ON THAT STREET.
SO WE WERE HOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE APPROVED AND
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YOU CAN PUT PROVISIONS THAT THAT IS WHAT MATTERS, THAT WE DON'T PUT, YOU KNOW, FOR SALE SIGNS OR ANYTHING.AND WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO DO LIKE A, A, YOU KNOW, LIKE A CONSUMER OUT OF SALES.
UH, COMMISSIONER AVIN HAS SOME QUESTIONS AND PROBABLY LATE TOMORROW, I GUESS.
I, UH, AND I GUESS THIS ALSO GOES FOR, UH, TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.
UM, CAN, CAN WE RESTRICT, SO YOU WOULD BE OKAY WITH THE RESTRICTION THAT SAYS NO RETAIL SALES AT THE PREMISES? YES, SIR.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO MR. RODIN, UNDER THE U CONDITION? YOU CAN PUT ON THE U I WOULD THINK SO.
SO WE COULD SAY, I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
IT'S A PROOF WE GIVE YOU AN SUV FOR SALES, BUT NO RETAIL SALES.
CAN YOU, YOU MAYBE DESCRIBE THE DIFFERENCE TO US OF WHOLESALE AND RETAIL? RIGHT.
SO THE WHOLESALE MEANS THAT WE CANNOT DO ANY CUSTOMER SALES.
WE CANNOT ENGAGE IN PUBLIC COMING INTO OUR LOT AND BUYING CARS.
WE HAVE TO TAKE OUR CARS TO EITHER AUCTION CENTERS OR SELL THEM LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHOLESALE.
SO YOU SELL 'EM INTO AN AUCTION OR, YES.
THAT IS ALL, AND DMV DOESN'T REQUIRE, DMV HAS THEIR OWN REGULATIONS TO APPROVE OUR LICENSE.
OF COURSE, ONCE YOU APPROVE IT, THEN I WILL APPLY.
BUT THEY'RE ALSO REGULATIONS ARE, IF WE ARE WHOLESALE DEALERS, THEN THEY DO NOT REQUIRE THAT FIVE SPOT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE THE CITY RECOMMENDED.
WE HAVE 43 SPOTS, WE SHOWED 44, BUT IF WE DO WHOLESALE, THEN TECHNICALLY THAT FIVE CAR SPOTS IS ALSO LESS.
SO WE ARE NOW AT 38 AND WE HAVE ABOUT 44.
MR. GARN, IS THERE A DISTINCTION IN THE GDC BETWEEN RETAIL AND WHOLESALE AUTO SALES? I, I JUST CAN'T RECALL EVER SEEING ONE, SO I'M RELY ON YOUR NO, SIR.
THERE, THERE'S NOT, IT'S JUST ONE CLASSIFICATION FOR AUTO SALES, NEW OR USED.
BUT WE COULD MAKE THAT MR. RODEN, BUT WE COULD MAKE THAT DISTINCTION PROBABLY BY AGREEMENT IN THE TERMS OF THE U YOU COULD PUT A CONDITION ON THE U THAT I, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THAT THOUGH.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, TO, TO KEEP UP WITH WHAT'S GOING ON THERE ON A DAILY BASIS UNDER THOSE, BUT CERTAINLY IF SOMEONE COMPLAINED OR WHATEVER, THERE'S ALWAYS A, IF, IF THE DMV GIVES ME A WHOLESALE LICENSE, THEN THEY ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT I ONLY SELL WHOLESALE.
SO I CANNOT SELL RETAIL ANYWAYS IF I GET A WHOLESALE LICENSE.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DALTON.
SO BASICALLY YOU COULD NOT TAKE A VEHICLE DOWN THE STREET TO THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE AND REGISTER IT FOR SOMEONE WHO YOU SOLD IT TO.
YEAH, IF I'M DOING WHOLESALE, THEN DON'T I, RIGHT? YEAH.
YOU CAN'T GO DOWN THERE AND DO THAT.
THE CITY, THE COUNTY'S NOT GONNA LET YOU, THE STATE'S NOT GONNA LET YOU.
YEAH, I HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT TO DO A, UH, TO RUN MY LICENSES AND THEY WON'T ALLOW ME IF I HAVE A WHOLESALE LICENSE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? I'M MISS MISSING COMMISSIONER RIDE TONIGHT.
I'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE AND ASK YOU BACK UP IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER INPUT.
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? SEEING NONE.
UH, I THINK PROBABLY SOME DISCUSSION MAY BE IN ORDER.
COMMISSIONER DALTON, I MAKE A MOTION.
WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVE A CONVERSATION.
SORRY, A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DALTON SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I I THINK YOU OUGHTA GIVE UP ABOUT IT.
TRY TO, UH, GO AHEAD AND SHOW THE VOTE.
AND, UH, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE VOTING WITH THE MAJORITY AS IN A YES.
DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MAJORITY IS.
AT THAT MOST MOTION PASSING UNANIMOUSLY.
UH, COMMISSIONER DALTON? NO, I THINK I ACTUALLY ONLY PUSHED THE BUTTON, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
IF THEY'RE RESTRICTED BY STATE OR COUNTY REGULATIONS FROM SELLING RETAIL, THEN I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH US MAKING THIS PART OF THE U THAT THEY CANNOT SELL RETAIL.
THAT JUST IS AN EXTRA LAYER OF PROTECTION FOR THE CITY.
IS IT, OH, YEAH, YEAH, GO AHEAD.
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CUT THE ATTORNEY OFF.UH, MR. CHAIR, WOULD WE BE REGULATING THE, THE USER OR THE LAND USE AT THAT POINT IN TIME THOUGH? CAUSE THE USER APPLYING FOR THE WHOLESALE LICENSE, I, I WOULD CONSIDER THAT ALSO VERSUS THE TYPE OF LANE USE THAT COULD GO ON WITH THE, THE LAND.
IF, IF, UH, YOU THINK WE COULD DO THAT, I WOULD TIE IT TO THE USER.
AND YOU DON'T THINK WE CAN, THE WAY OUR GDC NO, WE CAN'T TIE IT TO THE USER.
THAT'S THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE.
BUT I THOUGHT YOU WERE OFFERING IT UP AS AN OPTION.
SO IF YOU TIE THAT TO THE LAND USE, YOU HAVE TO TIE IT TO THE LAND USE.
YOU COULD NOT ALLOW RETAIL SALES ONLY STORE VEHICLES FOR WHOLESALE PURPOSES ON THE LAND.
AND I, I WOULD ASK YOU AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO GET TOGETHER IN THE PROVISIONS OF THE U UH, BEFORE IT GETS THE CONSOLE.
SO IT'S PRETTY TIGHTLY WRITTEN.
ANY OTHER INPUT? HOW ABOUT A MOTION THEN? COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? GO AHEAD.
UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TIE THE LAND, THE, UH, TIE THE SU THE WHOLESALE SALES TO THE LAND.
WELL, THAT'S HOW IT HAS TO BE ACCORDING TO THE GDC.
UH, WOULD THAT BE TO APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR THE SPECIFIC USE PROVISION? AS LONG AS IT'S TIED TO WHOLESALE USE AND TO APPROVE THE, UH, PLAN.
UH, AND IT SHOULD BE MODIFIED TO ELIMINATE THE FIVE EXTRA PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENT? YES.
AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PLAN FOR, FOR WHOLESALE AUTOMOBILE SALES ONLY U THAT AND A PLAN FOR WHOLESALE AUTOMOBILE USES ONLY ONCE IT'S MODIFIED TO FIT THE REQUIREMENTS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I INTERJECT? YES.
SO THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE U WITH THE CONDITION? YES.
THAT IT, THE ONLY USE ALLOWED IS WHOLESALE.
THAT WHOLESALE VEHICLE, UH, USE IS ALLOWED, BUT NO RETAIL SET.
AND, AND THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING.
THERE MAY BE A DATABASE OUT THERE THAT COULD BE CHECKED FROM TIME TO TIME TO SEE WHAT KINDA LICENSE IS ON THAT PROPERTY, UH, WITH THE DMV.
SO I THINK IT IS AN ENFORCEABLE ITEM.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? UH, COMMISSIONER ROSEN, THEN COMMISSIONER DALTON? YES.
UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ARE GONNA GET TOGETHER AND WRITE THE PROPER WORDS TOGETHER BEFORE COUNCIL MATES.
UH, COMMISSIONER DALTON, YOU SURE? I WANNA BE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING THAT WILL PREVENT THEIR REPAIR, THEIR REPAIR MINOR THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING BY REPLACING IT WITH THIS.
NO, UH, THEY ALREADY HAVE THE RIGHTS FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
THIS IS JUST REQUEST FOR THE ABILITY.
SO I JUST WANNA BE SURE WE WEREN'T AND INADVERTENTLY REMOVING THEIR OTHER ABILITIES.
AND THEN COMMISSIONER JENKINS.
I, I HEARD A RECOMMENDATION AS WELL THAT THE PLAN WOULD CHANGE.
THERE'D BE NO REQUIREMENT TO HAVE THE PARKING SPACES BECAUSE IT'S, YEAH, RIGHT.
RIGHT NOW THEY'RE HIGHLIGHTED PARKING SPACES AS ORIGINALLY REQUIRED BY THE DMV FOR RETAIL SALES.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE THOSE REMOVED.
SO IN NO WAY CAN IT BE INTERPRETED THAT WE APPROVED IT FOR RETAIL SALES.
DO WE NEED TO AMEND THE EMOTION? UM, WE JUST NEED TO STICK WITH IT A MOTION.
I, I THINK IT WAS PART OF THE MOTION AND, UH, STAFF KNOWS TO, UH, HAVE THEM ADJUST THE SITE PLAN BEFORE IT GETS TO COUNCIL.
VERBIAGE IN THE STRIPING CUZ UH, YEAH, I TRY TO TRY TO LOOK AT ALL POSSIBILITIES.
SO, AND SO SOME OF YOUR NEW COMMISSIONER? OH, COMMISSIONER PARIS
YEAH,
CAN YOU JUST RESTATE THE MOTION ONE MORE TIME? I JUST WANNA BE SURE IT'S CLEAR OF THE, TELL YOU WHAT.
I THINK WE SHOULD BREAK THIS DOWN INTO TWO MOTIONS.
UH, THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE CONSIDERATION THE APPLICATION REQUESTING A SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC USE PROVISION.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THAT FIRST.
AND IF THE FIRST AND THE SECOND ARE WILLING TO WITHDRAW THEIR MOTIONS AND SUBMIT NEW ONES.
UH, LET'S SEPARATE IT TO ITEM TWO E.
THIS IS FOR THE SPECIFIC USE PROVISION
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ONLY.THIS WILL MAKE IT TWO THREE E THREE E, E.
THE THREE IS OFF THE COVER HERE.
SO THIS IS FOR THE SPECIFIC USE PROVISION ONLY.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? YES, SIR.
WHAT YOU SAID
YOUR, YOUR, YOUR MOTION IN ESSENCE IS TO APPROVE THIS SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR WHOLESALE CAR SALES ONLY.
DOES THE SECOND CONCUR? THE SECOND CONCUR.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S VOTE ON THIS ONE.
IT CAME THROUGH, I USED THE BOARD.
ITEM UH, THREE F WHAT I HAD BEEN REFERRING TO IS WE CAN APPROVE THE PLAN PROVIDED, UM, THAT ADJUSTMENT IS MADE.
SO IT'S UH, AN APPROVAL WITH, UH, CONDITION THAT WHAT'S THE ABOUT THE PARKING SPACES? YEAH, ABOUT THE PARKING SPACES, YES.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU'LL GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE PLAN FOR AUTOMOBILE SALES PROVIDED THAT THE PARKING SPACES SHOWN FOR RETAIL SALES ARE REMOVED.
AUTO AND THE SECOND CONCUR, WHICH IS COMMISSIONER JENKINS.
ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE A QUESTION.
DOES THE WORD AUTO, DOES THE WORD WHOLESALE NEED TO BE INCLUDED? I THOUGHT THIS WAS FOR WHOLESALE.
I REQUESTED THE REMOVAL OF THE RETAIL SPACES, WHICH IS THE DEFAULT THAT IT MEANS WHOLESALE WILLIAMS REQUESTED A REMOVAL OF RETAIL SPACES TO BRING IT IN LINE WITH THE, WITH THE SPECIFIC USE PROVISION.
AND JUST A SIDE NOTE, UH, ESPECIALLY TO NEW COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU'RE ANYTHING LIKE I WAS IN THIS CASE, HE CAME IN THINKING, YEAH, I KNOW I'M GONNA VOTE ON THIS ONE.
BUT YOU HEAR FROM AN APPLICANT OR YOU HEAR FROM SOMEBODY IN THE PUBLIC AND YOUR MIND CHANGES AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE HEARINGS AND WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY.
[3G. Consideration of the application of Digital Garland Ferris, LP, requesting approval of a Detail Plan for a Data Center. This item may include amendments to Planned Development (PD) District 20-17. This property is located at 805 Holford Road. (District 1) (File Z 22-47 – Detail Plan)]
THREE G.CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION OF DIGITAL GARLAND FERRIS LP REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED PLAN FOR A DATA CENTER.
THIS ITEM MAY INCLUDE AMENDMENTS TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 2017.
IS PROPERTY'S LOCATED AT 8 0 5 HOLFORD ROAD? I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON IT.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THE MICROPHONE AND FILL OUT ONE OF THE CARDS LATER, WE'D APPRECIATE IT.
I'M JOSH CHEICK WITH PACHECO COAT CONSULTING ENGINEERS.
WE REPRESENT THE DESIGN TEAM AND THE APPLICANT.
UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING.
OH, ADDRESS 75 57, UH, RAMBLER ROAD, SUITE 1400, DALLAS, TEXAS 75,231.
UM, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY, ANY STATEMENTS REALLY AT THIS POINT.
I KNOW THERE'S A STAFF PRESENTATION, UM, THAT WAS PROVIDED AND SO WE'RE JUST HERE.
WE'VE GOT SOME DESIGN TEAM MEMBERS.
THE OWNER REP IS HERE AS WELL.
SO WE COULD, WE'RE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
LET ME ASK A COMMISSION IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.
I WAS ABOUT TO ASK IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO HAD ANY, ANY ITEMS IN AGAIN, NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE, MR. CHAIRMAN? UH, MY NAME IS ZACH AL HASI, UH, 1522 BELLINGHAM, UH, GARLAND, TEXAS.
UH, MY QUESTION IS, I'VE SEEN THAT YOU GUYS GONNA HAVE A ZONE CHANGE.
I LIVE ABOUT 200 FEET AWAY FROM THIS, UH, PROPOSED DATA CENTER.
WE WANNA KNOW WHAT'S THE FOOTPRINTS OF THE ACTUAL PROJECT ITSELF.
UH, IF YOU'VE BEEN IN THAT AREA, IT'S COMPLETELY GREEN, SO WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE DONE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENTS OVER THERE.
UH, IT IS NEXT TO, UM, A THEATER.
UM, AND WE JUST DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND UH, IT'S VERY, VERY CLOSE TO OUR RESIDENTIAL AREA.
UM, UH, I'LL ASK STAFF TO PULL UP A MAP ON IT AND I'LL ASK THE ENGINEER TO COME BACK UP.
BUT TYPICALLY WHEN FINANCING IS INVOLVED, THE BANKS REQUIRE A PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL AND IF THERE ARE ANY INDICATORS IN THE PHASE ONE FIRE ENVIRONMENTAL, THEY HAVE TO GO TO PHASE TWO OR PHASE THREE, WHICH IS A FULL
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ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY.AND THEN OUR CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WILL ADDRESS, UH, WETLANDS AND DRAINAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND I'LL LET THE EXPERT TALK ABOUT IT THOUGH.
YES, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
UM, ALL THOSE STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE AND THERE'S NO REMEDIATION REQUIRED FOR THE SITE AS FAR AS ENVIRONMENTAL GOES FOR PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO.
UM, WE'VE ALSO DONE A, A JURISDICTIONAL DELINEATION CORPS OF ENGINEERS TO LOOK FOR WETLANDS, WATERS OF THE US, THINGS LIKE THAT ON THE SITE.
AND THERE'S NOTHING OF JURISDICTION AS WELL.
SO THAT'S THE GENERAL, UM, TYPICAL, YOU KNOW, DUE DILIGENCE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE AS FAR AS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS FOR THE SITE.
BETTER MOVE QUICKLY CUZ YOU KNOW, THEY'RE CHANGING THE, THE WETLANDS RULE, IT'S ALWAYS CHANGING
AND ON THE SCREEN THERE IS A PICTURE OF THE SITE AND IF YOU KNOW THE OLD FERRIS ROAD, THE BULK OF THE DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS IS SOUTH OF THERE.
AND THEN NORTH ON THE RIGHT IS, UM, RETENTION POND.
AND TO THE WEST OF THAT ARE POSSIBLE FUTURE PHASES IN WHICH THEY WOULD'VE TO COME BACK BEFORE US AGAIN AND HAVE THIS PUBLIC HEARING ALL OVER AGAIN.
OKAY, SO THIS IS BASICALLY THE FIRST STAGE.
THE STUFF YOU SEE, UH, KIND OF IN THE RED IS SURROUNDING WHERE THE BUILDING GOES.
UH, CAN YOU POINT OUT EXACTLY WHAT THAT THEATER IS? THE EXIST THEATER? MAYBE? I COULDN'T TELL.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN POINT TO YOU, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT, BUT IT'S STRIKING REELS RIGHT NOW.
IS THERE ANY, ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES SPEAKING BESIDE HIM? ALL RIGHT.
COMMISSIONER DALTON, LIKE IS THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE AS REQUESTED MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DALTON? I HEARD THE SECOND COMMISSION, UH, THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER PARIS TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED.
GO AHEAD AND VOTE IN THAT PASSAGE UNANIMOUSLY.
[4A. Consideration and possible recommendation of a Thoroughfare Plan amendment regarding Ferris Road.]
RIGHT, THE LAST ON OUR AGENDA IS MUCH OH, YOU'RE WELCOME.IS A MISCELLANEOUS ITEM, CONSIDERATION OF THE POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION OF A THOROUGH FAIR AMENDMENT REGARDING FERRIS ROAD.
UH, JUST FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT MAY BE VIEWING FERRIS ROAD IS, UH, PART OF THAT LAST CASE.
IT WAS THE OLD ROAD THAT'S BEEN ABANDONED FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS JUST AT THE TOP SIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THIS WOULD, UH, RECOMMEND A CHANGE TO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THAT.
AND THEN, UH, THAT WOULD BE ABANDONED AND THEN IT WOULD BE DISPOSED PROBABLY TO THE SOLD OR WHATEVER TO THE APPLICANT FOR, FOR THE USE.
COMMISSIONER DALTON, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND PASS THAT TO CITY COUNCIL.
SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DALTON.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE A THOROUGH FAIR PLAN.
I SAY THAT, OH, COMMISSIONER ROSE.
AND THAT PASSAGE UNANIMOUSLY, SINCE THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM IN OUR AGENDA UNTIL OUR MEETING OF NOVEMBER 21ST, WE ARE ADJOURNED.