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GOOD

[Plan Commission Pre Meeting]

EVENING.

WELCOME TO THE NOVEMBER 7TH MEETING OF THE GARLAND PLAN COMMISSION.

THIS IS OUR WORK SESSION PORTION OF OUR MEETING IN WHICH, UH, STAFF BRIEFS US IN ALL THE CASES.

AND ONCE THAT CONCLUDES, WE WILL RECESS AND THEN COME BACK AT SEVEN O'CLOCK FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING.

GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING.

UH, FIRST I'D LIKE TO GO OVER THE CONSENT AGENDA IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? I SEE NONE.

OKAY.

FIRST ZONING CASE ON THE AGENDA IS Z 22 DASH 46, AND THE APPLICANT PROPOSES AN AUTOMATED TUNNEL CAR WASH.

HERE'S THE CASE INFORMATION, THE ACREAGES ONE ACRE AND THE EXISTING ZONING IS COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT.

THIS SAYS THE CITYWIDE LOCATION MAP AND THE RED STAR SHOWS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

AND THIS IS A LOCATION MAP.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN THIS TEAL BLUE COLOR, AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A, UM, A DENTAL OFFICE USE.

AND IT IS CURRENTLY AN OPERATION, BUT IT WILL BE DEMOLISHED AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

UM, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ARE ALL RETAIL DEVELOPMENT.

AND THEN FURTHER NORTH THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.

THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE ENVISIONED GARLAND PLAN DESIGNATES THIS PROPERTY AS NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS AND THE ENVISIONED GARLAND PLAN DESIGNATES A SUBJECT PROPERTY AS NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.

NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS PROVIDE A MIX OF RETAIL SERVICES AND COMMUNITY GATHERING PLACES, THIS CENTER SHOULD BE APPROPRIATELY SCALED TO ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

THIS TYPE OF CENTER IS PREDOMINANTLY BUT NOT EXCLUSIVELY, NON RESIDENTIAL AND NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS ARE SERVED BY LOCAL ROADS AND TRANSIT ROUTES.

HERE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS.

THE TOP, UM, LEFT PICTURE IS VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.

TOP RIGHT IS WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

BOTTOM LEFT IS NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND BOTTOM RIGHT IS SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE LAYOUT FOR THE, UM, AUTOMATED TUNNEL CAR WASH, WHICH WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 3,827 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.

AND, UH, THE SITE DOES MEET PARKING REQUIREMENTS PER THE GDC.

UM, HOWEVER, THE VACUUM SPACES WILL BE USED AS PARKING SPACES AND THE GDC REQUIRES, UM, THE SERVICE BAY DOORS TO NOT FACE THE STREET.

IN THIS CASE, IT'LL BE FACING, UM, NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.

SO IT IS A DEVIATION, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AND THE PROPERTY CAN BE ACCESSED FROM NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.

HERE IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND IT DOES COMPLY WITH THE APPLICABLE SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING STANDARDS FOR THE GDC.

THESE ARE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND THEY COMPLY WITH THE BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS, AND THE APPLICANT REQUESTS THE SEP TIME PERIOD TO BE 30 YEARS.

AND THE P TIME PERIOD GUIDE RECOMMENDS BETWEEN 25 TO 30 YEARS FOR THIS USE.

STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL OF THE SEP FOR THE AUTOMATED ROLLOVER CAR WASH, USE, AND DENIAL OF THE PLAN FOR AN AUTOMATED ROLLOVER CAR WASH USE ON A PROPERTY ZONE COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT.

THIS PROPOSAL REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE OF USE INTENSITY FROM A PEDIATRIC DENTAL OFFICE TO A CAR WASH.

AND STAFF FINDS THIS PROPOSAL INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDATION, INCLUDING CONCERN WITH THE GENERAL PROXIMITY TO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD PER THE GDC.

THE PURPOSE OF THE S U IS TO ALLOW ESTABLISHMENT OF USES WHICH MAY BE SUITABLE ONLY IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS IN A ZONING DISTRICT OR ONLY WHEN SUBJECT TO STANDARDS AND CONDITIONS THAT ASSURE COMPATIBILITY WITH OTHER USES IN THE VICINITY.

SPECIFIC USES ARE THOSE USES WHICH ARE GENERALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE ALLOWED LAND USES IN A GIVEN ZONING DISTRICT, BUT WHICH REQUIRE INDIVIDUAL REVIEW OF THEIR PROPOSED LOCATION DESIGN AND CONFIGURATION AND THE IMPOSITION OF THE CONDITIONS IN ORDER TO ENSURE THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE USE.

AND WE SENT OUT 36 NOTIFICATION LETTERS.

WE RECEIVED ONE WITHIN A NOTIFICATION AREA FOR THE REQUEST, ONE WITHIN A NOTIFICATION AREA AGAINST THE REQUEST, AND WE RECEIVED A TOTAL OF TWO RESPONSES.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS

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OR ANY COMMISSIONERS? I I'VE GOT A QUICK ONE.

IT'S BECAUSE I'M NOT TOTALLY FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

ARE THAT HUGE PARKING LOT JUST TO THE WEST DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S BEING USED BY ALDI.

THEY USE THE PARKING LOT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

WHAT'S THAT FOR? UH, OR IS THAT JUST CONSIDERED VACANT LAND? RIGHT.

OH, IS IT THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE? UH, YEAH.

UM, THIS IS NOT PART OF THEIR REQUEST, BUT I BELIEVE THIS JUST, UM, EXCESS PARKING SPACE, DEFINITELY .

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

IT WAS, DIDN'T KNOW.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER ROSE, UH, DO YOU HAVE A DEFINITION FOR ROLLOVER CAR WASH? I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT A ROLLOVER CAR WASH IS.

I THINK, I THINK THAT'S VERSUS A HAND WASH WHERE YOU PULL INTO A BAY AND YOU SPRAY IT YOURSELF AND EVERYTHING.

IT'S KIND OF A DRIVE THROUGH AND IF YOU'RE, WHATEVER, IT'S, THAT'S THE IMPRESSION I GET.

OKAY.

IT'S A CAR WASH.

YEAH.

WITH ABOUT 40 VACUUM STATIONS.

YEAH.

ALRIGHTY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

YOU JUST GET TO DO ALL THE PRESENTATIONS NOW.

RIGHT.

NEXT ITEM IS Z 21 DASH 45 AND THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT 301 MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND A SINGLE, SINGLE FAMILY STYLE FORMAT.

AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THE BASE ZONING OF THIS, UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UM, MULTIFAMILY ONE AS THE BASE ZONING.

AND WE ALSO, THE GDC RECENTLY INTRODUCED UM, THE MF ZERO DISTRICT, WHICH IS MORE FOR SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENT STYLE.

UH, BUT THE APPLICATION, THIS APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED WELL BEFORE, UM, THE MF ZERO DISCUSSION HAS STARTED.

SO THE APPLICANT, UM, PREFER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MF ONE DISTRICT STANDARDS BASED OWNING.

UM, HERE'S THE CASE INFORMATION.

UM, THE TOTAL ACREAGE IS 38 POINT 38 ACRES.

LOT ONE IS 32.78 ACRES AND LOT TWO IS 5.59 ACRE.

HERE IS THE CITYWIDE LOCATION MAP.

UH, THE RED STAR SHOWS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND HERE IS THE LOCATION MAP.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN THIS TEAL BLUE COLOR.

IT IS CURRENTLY ZONE PD 1940 AND A DETAIL PLAN WAS APPROVED FOR A CHURCH USE BACK IN 2019, UH, BUT IT WAS NEVER CONSTRUCTED.

AND THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS ZONED PD 15 DASH 19.

THERE IS AN EXISTING SELF STORAGE FACILITY AND THEN TO THE EAST IS ZONED AG.

UM, AND IT IS ALL UNDEVELOPED.

AND THEN TO THE SOUTH ACROSS EAST MILLER A ZONE PD 14 DASH 11 AND THERE'S A RANCH AND THIS VACANT PORTION, UM, WE DID RECEIVE A, UH, ZONING APPLICATION FOR TOWNHOUSE AND IT IS STILL IN REVIEW.

AND THEN IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST IS ZONE COMMUNITY RETAIL.

IT IS ALL VACANT.

AND THEN, UM, TO THE WEST ACROSS CENTERVILLE, THERE'S A SUBSTATION AND RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.

THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE ENVISION GARLAND PLANT DESIGNATES THIS PROPERTY AS URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS AND URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS ARE CHARACTERIZED BY MODERATE TO HIGH DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS GREATER THAN 12 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS 11.6 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, AND THIS PROPOSAL IS GENERALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE DEVELOPMENT STYLE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA.

HERE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS.

THE TOP LEFT IS VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM EAST MILLER.

TOP RIGHT IS EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

BOTTOM LEFT IS SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND THAT'S THE RANCH.

AND THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

AND THAT'S THE SUBSTATION.

HERE IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND IT DOES SHOW TWO LOTS, UH, LOT ONE IS FOR THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND LOT TWO, UM, WILL, UM, REQUIRE A DETAIL PLAN IN THE FUTURE.

UH, BUT THE APPLICANT IS NOT SURE WHAT, UH, WILL BE PROPOSED AT THIS TIME.

AND SO FOR LOT ONE, UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING 301 MULTIFAMILY UNITS IN A SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX STYLE FORMAT.

AND THEY ARE PROPOSING A TOTAL OF SIX DIFFERENT UNIT TYPES.

AND ACCESS WILL BE, THERE'LL BE TWO ACCESS POINTS FROM EAST MILLER ROAD AND ONE ACCESS FROM UM, CENTERVILLE.

AND

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IT DOES COMPLY WITH ALL THE AMENITIES THAT ARE REQUIRED IN THE GDC, WHICH IT INCLUDES THE CLUBHOUSE, UM, THE SWIMMING POOL AND THE LEISURE AREA.

UM, AND IT DOES COMPLY WITH THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS PER THE GDC AND THE MF ONE DISTRICT.

THERE ARE SOME DEVIATIONS, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING, UH, REGARDING THE UNIT SIZE BUILDING SEPARATION AND SETBACK, WHICH I WILL GO OVER IN JUST A MOMENT.

HERE IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN.

IT DOES COMPLY WITH THE LANDSCAPING STANDARDS PER THE GDC AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING ORNAMENTAL FENCE ALONG THE SOUTHERN WESTERN PERIMETER LINE.

UM, AND SCREENING IS ALSO REQUIRED TO THE EAST WHERE IT IS ZONE AGRICULTURAL, UM, WHICH ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

AND BECAUSE THERE IS A FLOOD PLAN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A DEVIATION TO UH, NOT ALLOW A SCREENING WALL THERE.

HERE ARE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS.

THIS IS FOR THE CLUBHOUSE.

THIS IS FOR UNIT A ONE.

AND IN YOUR PACKET YOU UH, PROBABLY SAW, UM, EIGHT SCHEMES FOR EACH UNIT.

AND I INCLUDED, JUST TO SHORTEN THE PRESENTATION, I INCLUDED ONE COLOR FOR EACH.

UM, BUT THE, UM, BUILDING DESIGN WOULD BE THE SAME FOR EACH.

IT'S JUST DIFFERENT COLORS.

THIS IS THE GARAGE AND THEY ARE PROPOSING DETACHED GARAGE.

HERE'S THE DEVIATION.

THE FIRST ONE IS FOR THE BUILDING SEPARATION.

UH, GDC REQUIRES ALL PORTIONS OF THE MULTIFAMILY DWELLING STRUCTURE TO BE MINIMUM OF 20 FEET FROM ANOTHER STRUCTURE.

AND THE APPLICANT REQUESTS 10 FEET.

AND THE PROPOSED LAYOUT IS SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX STYLE.

THEREFORE, THE REQUIRED 20 FOOT SETBACK WILL NOT WORK FOR THEIR CONFIGURATION.

AND IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT IN THE MULTIFAMILY ZERO DISTRICT, UM, ALLOWS A MINIMUM SEPARATION OF 10 FEET.

SECOND DEVIATION IS FOR THE BUILDING SETBACK.

THE SIDE SETBACK NOT ADJACENT TO THE STREET.

REQUIRED IS 12 AND THEY'RE PROPOSING SIX FEET.

THE SECOND ENTRY GATE AND GATE ON EAST MILLER ROAD AND EAST CENTERVILLE ROAD RESULTED IN A SIX FOOT SIDE, SIDE YARD SETBACK, NOT ADJACENT TO A STREET.

THIRD DEVIATION IS FOR THE MINIMUM DWELLING UNIT AREA FOR A ONE BEDROOM AND REQUIRED IS 650 SQUARE FEET.

THEY'RE PROPOSING 635.

THE PROPOSED MINIMUM DWELLING SIZE WAS DESIGNED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF A SPECIFIC MARKET SEGMENT.

AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS FOR SCREENING ADJACENT TO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT BOUNDARY LINE.

THIS TRAINING IS REQUIRED.

THEY ARE NOT PROVIDING ANY SCREENING, AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING FLOOD PLAIN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE CHANGE IN Z, SORRY, CHANGE IN ZONING FROM PD 1940 FOR SINGLE FAMILY SEVEN USE TO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR A MULTIFAMILY ONE USE AND APPROVAL OF A DETAIL PLAN FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

AND WE SENT OUT 60 NOTIFICATION LETTERS AND WE RECEIVED THREE RESPONSES, WHICH WERE ALL OUTSIDE OF THE NOTIFICATION AREA AND AGAINST THE REQUEST.

AND IT'D BE HELP TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS, EXCUSE ME.

UM, HAD THIS BEEN MF ZERO, WOULD THEY BEEN REQUIRED TO, LIKE IN A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, PUT SCREENING, UH, OR WALL ALONG MILLER ROAD THERE? IF IT WAS MF ZERO? YEAH.

SINCE WE'RE KIND OF DOING A HYBRID HERE, RIGHT? I THINK I CAN ANSWER THAT.

OKAY.

YEAH, I KNOW IT'S A QUESTION YOU WEREN'T EXPECTING.

I'M SORRY I CAME UP WITH IT.

.

NO, THAT'S OKAY.

I WAS INVOLVED WITH THE MF ZERO.

YEAH.

WORKING WITH THE COMMITTEE ON THAT.

YES.

IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE, UM, CAUSE IT WAS KIND OF MIXING SOME OF THE SINGLE FAMILIES STANDARDS AND MULTI-FAMILY STANDARDS INTO THAT NMF ZERO.

AND I BELIEVE WHERE WE LANDED WAS THE, UM, UM, THAT IT WOULD FOLLOW THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS FOR SINGLE FAMILY, UH, DEVELOPMENT.

SO, UM, CURRENTLY THE GDC ALLOWS THAT, UM, ALLOWS MASON WALL ORAL ORNAMENTAL FENCE, UM, WITH LANDSCAPING KIND OF AS AN OPTION.

OKAY.

BECAUSE I NOTICED THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING AT THE ORNAMENTAL FENCE.

THEY GOT TREES AT 30 FEET, BUT NO LANDSCAPING, SO THERE'S NO, UH, VISUAL BARRIER.

AND I THINK ALONG MILLER ROAD WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A WALL OR, AND SINCE ALONG THE AGRICULTURE AREA, THAT'S ALL TREES AND EVERYTHING, LEAVING THAT OFF MAKES SENSE.

AND THEY CAN PUT SOME OF THAT INTO, AND SINCE IT'S A PD, WE CAN ADD CONDITIONS.

ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE.

UH, COMMISSIONER ROBIN.

THANK

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YOU MR. CHAIR.

UM, DOES THE CURRENT PD ALLOW MULTIFAMILY AT ALL OR WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE CURRENT PD IN TERMS OF WHAT IT PERMITS? IT WAS A PROOF RATE CHURCH USE, BUT THE BASE ZONING IS SINGLE FAMILY SEVEN DISTRICT.

SO THE PD IS ONLY CHURCH USE.

MM-HMM.

.

OKAY.

SO THIS IS A BRAND NEW PD THEN? MM-HMM.

.

SO IT'S A NEW PD, BUT UNDERLYING THAT IS SINGLE FAMILY ZONING.

THE, IS IT SF SEVEN OR SOMETHING? THE CURRENT PD? YES.

THANK YOU.

THANK MR. CHAIR.

ALL RIGHT, YOU'RE WELCOME.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NEXT, NEXT ITEM IS Z 22 DASH 39.

THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO ADD AUTOMOBILE SALES TO THE EXISTING AUTOMOBILE REPAIR FACILITY.

HERE'S THE CASE INFORMATION.

THE ACREAGES 1.09 ACRES AND EXISTING ZONING IS INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

THIS IS THE CITYWIDE LOCATION MAP AND THE RED STAR SHOWS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP, THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES OUTLINED IN THIS TEAL BLUE COLOR LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF FOREST LANE AND SOUTH INTERNATIONAL ROAD.

AND, UM, SURROUNDING ZONING ARE ALL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE ENVISIONED GARLAND PLAN DESIGNATES, UM, THIS PROPERTY AS TRANSIT-ORIENTED CENTER AND TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT IS CHARACTERIZED BY MODERATE TO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, UH, GREATER THAN 12 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

AND THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

HERE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS.

THE TOP LEFT IS VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

UH, TOP RIGHT IS EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM SOUTH INTERNATIONAL.

BOTTOM LEFT IS SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND BOTTOM RIGHT IS NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

AND HERE IS THE SITE PLAN.

AND THIS IS THE EXISTING LAYOUT TODAY, UM, WHICH HAS A, UM, MAJOR AUTO REPAIR FACILITY AND THE APPLICANT REQUEST TO ADD THE AUTO SALES USE, WHICH REQUIRES A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

BUT THE APPLICANT, UH, WILL NOT BE MAKING ANY SITE IMPROVEMENTS WITH THIS REQUEST.

THE APPLICANT REQUESTS THE S U P UM, TIME PERIOD FOR 15 YEARS.

AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL OF THE SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR AUTOMOBILE SALES NEAR OR USED DENIAL OF THE PLAN FOR AUTOMOBILE SALES NEAR OR USED ON A PROPERTY ZONE.

INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT STAFF FINDS THAT THIS, UH, PROPOSAL IS NOT COMPATIBLE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND WE MAILED OUT 19 NOTIFICATION LETTERS, RECEIVED ONE WITHIN A NOTIFICATION AREA FOR THE REQUEST.

ONE WAS WITHIN A NOTIFICATION AREA AGAINST THE REQUEST, AND WE RECEIVED A TOTAL OF TWO RESPONSES.

ALRIGHTY.

COMMISSIONER ROSE DIDN'T, WHAT DIDN'T WE? AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE COUNCIL CONSIDER THIS, OH, MAYBE TWO MONTHS AGO AND APPROVED AN U FOR FIVE YEARS.

IS THIS NOT THE SAME PROPERTY? DIFFERENT LOCATION THAT'S FURTHER DOWN, UH, FURTHER WEST, ALONG THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF FOREST.

OKAY.

I THOUGHT IT WAS THE SAME AND LOOKED THE SAME TO ME.

I DIDN'T DRIVE BY IT.

YEAH.

YEAH.

SO THIS WOULD BE BRINGING, OH, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

DO THEY HAVE ENOUGH, UH, PARKING PLACES FOR A, UM, USED CAR? YES.

SO THE STATE REQUIRES FIVE SPACES, A MINIMUM.

SO THEY ARE PROVIDING, UM, WHAT THE STATE REQUIRES.

WELL, I NOTICE ON, UH, THE PLAN, UH, THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF VEHICLES IN THE CENTER OF THAT PROPERTY, AND THEY'RE COUNTING THOSE, UH, SPACES AS PARKING.

UM, THESE RIGHT HERE? YES.

SO THAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING AS THE, UM, FOR THE AUTO REPAIR, BUT OVER HERE, THESE FIVE SPACES ALONG FOREST LANE, UM, THEY HAVE DESIGNATED THOSE AS THE AUTO SALES FOR THE AUTO SALES USE.

HMM.

ACTUALLY, I, I THOUGHT THE LABELING WAS ON, UM, THE EAST SIDE THERE.

THOSE FIVE VERTICAL ONES WERE LABELED FOR AUTOMOBILE SALES,

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AT LEAST IN THE DRAWING IF I RECALL.

I DON'T HAVE MINE WITH ME.

OKAY.

AND THOSE PARKING SPACES, UH, TO THE WEST THERE, AS, AS YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD REASON TO LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC AND PARKING STANDARDS RECENTLY, AND THOSE REALLY DON'T COMPLY.

THEY COMPLY IF IT'S A ONE-WAY STREET, BUT THERE'S NO WAY OUT.

THE AISLE HAS TO BE 20 FEET FOR A TWO-WAY STREET AND ANGLE PARKING.

SO TECHNICALLY THEY DON'T COMPLY, WHICH IS FINE BECAUSE OF THE SHAPE OF THE DEAL, BUT WE'RE ADDING PARKING, A PARKING LOAD WHEN THEY'RE ALREADY GOT IFFY PARKING AND IT'S A USE THAT'S NOT AN IMMEDIATE AREA AND EVERYTHING.

SO YEAH, I TEND TO AGREE WITH STAFF ON THIS ONE.

COMMISSIONER ROBIN AND COMMISSIONER ROSE, AND THEN COMMISSIONER JENKINS.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

UM, HAS ANY, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, IS THERE ANY PARKING THAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN ADDED OR IS THIS JUST SIMPLY WHAT'S THERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO DESIGNATE THESE X NUMBER OF SPOTS AS, OR TRY TO DESIGNATE THEM? IT'S ALL THERE.

UM, THEY'RE JUST RETRIP SOME, BUT THEY'RE NOT, UM, EXPANDING PARKING SPACE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK MR. CHAIR.

COMMISSIONER ROSE, WHEN YOU MET WITH THE APPLICANT AND, UH, TALKED ABOUT IT, DID YOU TALK, UM, IN TERMS OF PERHAPS HAVING A SHORTER U NOT NOT A 30 YEAR, 25 YEAR, BUT MAYBE FIVE OR 10 OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES? UM, NOT SPECIFICALLY, BUT THE APPLICANT REQUESTED, UM, THAT THEY REQUESTED 15 YEARS AND THAT'S WHAT WE PRESENTED TODAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER JENKINS? NOPE.

OKAY.

YEAH, LET ME SEE IF I CAN THINK INTO THE PAST A LITTLE BIT HERE.

IN THE PAST, WE'VE, THIS KIND OF THING HAS COME UP BECAUSE THEY'LL REPAIR CARS AND THEN PEOPLE DON'T WANT 'EM, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO UNLOAD 'EM.

AND, AND THAT'S USUALLY THE REASON THEY HAVE 'EM THERE.

AND WE HAVE TURNED SOME OF THESE DOWN IN THE PAST AND YEARS AGO, AT LEAST OVER 10 YEARS AGO, I THINK WE MAY HAVE APPROVED ONE, BUT IT WAS LIMITED TO LIKE TWO PARKING SPACES, NO SIGNAGE OF A SALES AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.

SO, UH, IT, IT'S DIFFICULT AT BEST.

THANK YOU.

.

WOW.

WHAT'S THAT? HEAR THIS? OH, OKAY.

LAST ONE IS Z 22 DASH 47.

THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A DATA CENTER.

HERE'S THE CASE INFORMATION.

THE ACREAGE IS 18.636 ACRES, AND THE EXISTING ZONING IS PD 20 DASH 17.

THIS IS THE CITY BY LOCATION MAP, AND THE RED STAR SHOWS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

HERE'S THE LOCATION MAP.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN THIS TEAL BLUE COLOR, UM, AND PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS ZONE PD 2017.

AND THAT WILL BE FOR FUTURE EXPANSION OF THE DATA CENTER.

TO THE EAST IS ZONE AGRICULTURAL, AND THERE IS, UM, A HOUSE THERE TO THE SOUTH, UM, IS ALSO ZONE PD 20 DASH 17.

THERE IS AN ENTERTAINMENT FACILITY.

AND THEN TO THE WEST, UM, IS PD 22 DASH 11.

AND THERE IS A DETAIL PUN OF PROOF FOR A, UM, SELF STORAGE FACILITY.

AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE ENVISION GARLAND PLAN DESIGNATES THIS, UH, PROPERTY AS BUSINESS CENTER AND THE PROPOSED USE IS COMPATIBLE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

TOP LEFT IS VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

TOP RIGHT IS EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

BOTTOM LEFT IS LOOKING WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND THAT'S WHERE THE SELF STORAGE WAS APPROVED.

AND THEN BOTTOM RIGHT IS SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND THAT'S THE ENTERTAINMENT FACILITY.

HERE IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, AND THIS, UM, DATA CENTER WILL BE CONSTRUCTED IN MULTIPLE PHASES.

THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST IS FOR PHASE ONE, WHICH INCLUDES THE DETENTION POND, UH, TO THE NORTH OF FERRIS ROAD, AND THEN THE DATA CENTER OVER HERE, WHICH WILL BE 178,814 SQUARE FEET.

AND THEN A FEATURE EXPANSION, UH, 67,228 SQUARE FEET.

AND THE WAY THIS BUILDING WILL BE DESIGNED, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO ADD THAT, UM, FOURTH DATA HALL TO THE DATA CENTER AND ACCESS WILL BE, UM, FROM HOLFORD ROAD

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AND CAMPBELL ROAD.

AND, UM, THERE IS A, UM, AN ITEM FOR TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR FERRIS WROTE ABANDONMENT, AND THAT'LL BE CONSIDERED TONIGHT.

AND THE SITE DOES COMPLY WITH THE PARKING REQUIREMENT PER THE GDC.

THEY ARE ALSO PROVIDING A GUARDHOUSE OVER HERE AND A VISITOR PAVILION, WHICH I BELIEVE IS JUST FOR EXTRA SCREENING, ADDITIONAL SCREENING FOR VISITORS BEFORE THEY CAN ENTER THE FACILITY.

AND HERE'S THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN.

IT DOES COMPLY WITH THE, UH, LANDSCAPING STANDARDS PER THE GDC AND PD 20 DASH 17.

HERE ARE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND IT COMPLIES WITH THE BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS OR THE GDC AND NO DEVIATIONS WERE REQUESTED WITH THIS PROPOSAL.

THE SITE PLAN MEETS ALL TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT, UM, TO PD 20 DASH 17 FOR MIXED USE AND APPROVAL OF THE DETAIL PLAN FOR THE DATA CENTER.

AND WE MAILED OUT 11 LETTERS, AND WE RECEIVED ONE OUTSIDE OF THE NOTIFICATION AREA FOR THE REQUEST.

TWO OUTSIDE OF THE NOTIFICATION AREA AND AGAINST THE REQUEST, TOTAL OF THREE RESPONSES WERE RECEIVED.

BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS, SEE NONE COMMISSION, DALTON.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

UH, YOU DID MENTION THAT FERRIS ROAD IS UP TO BE DISCUSSED TO ABANDONMENT.

NEXT ITEM.

MM-HMM.

.

RIGHT.

AND ACCORDING TO THE SITE PLAN, IT APPEARED THAT ACCESS TO FERRIS ROAD WAS NECESSARY TO ACCESS THIS BUILDING.

SO ARE WE SELLING THAT THE CITY ABANDONING AND SELLING THAT TO THE FACILITY, OR IT'LL BE A PRIVATE DRIVE.

IT'LL, UH, WON'T, IT WILL BECOME A PRIVATE DRIVE AND NO LONGER CITY STREET.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

I THINK THAT'S IT, YEAH.

AND THE NEXT ITEM, I BELIEVE IS THE, UM, FERRIS ROAD ABANDONMENT.

I'M NOT SURE IF WELL, YEAH, I CAN KIND OF SUMMARIZE IT TOO.

IT'S BEEN ABANDONED, CLOSED OFF FOR 10, 15 YEARS.

ALL RIGHT.

OH, WE'RE GETTING A FULL PRESENTATION.

COOL.

I'LL MAKE IT UP ON THE FLY HERE.

I WASN'T PREPARED TO DO A PRESENTATION, BUT I CAN, I CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT IT.

UM, SO YEAH, THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH DIGITAL REALTY FOR, FOR QUITE A WHILE TO, UM, FOR THIS SITE, AND, AND THIS IS AS I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS, UH, FERRIS ROAD HAS BEEN CLOSED SINCE, UM, ABOUT THE MID TWO THOUSANDS, AROUND 2005 IS IS ABOUT THE TIME.

I THINK CAMPBELL ROAD ACTUALLY GOT REALIGNED AND REBUILT.

SO PROBABLY BEFORE THAT ACTUALLY, UM, HASN'T BEEN OPEN SINCE THEN.

IT HASN'T BEEN MAINTAINED.

UM, THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY REASON TO KEEP THIS AS PART OF THE THIRD FAIR PLANT OR A PUBLIC STREET.

SO, UM, THERE'S REALLY, UH, NO, NO REASON THAT WE WOULD WANT TO KEEP THAT ON THERE.

SO THAT'S THE PROPOSAL IS TO ABANDON THIS.

UM, UM, AND ALSO TO TAKE IT OFF THE THIRD FAIR PLAN IS, IS PART OF THAT TOO, JUST, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, IF, IF IT WAS ON THE THIRD FAIR PLAN, WE WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO DEDICATE WELL THE RIGHT OF WAY'S THERE TO, UM, IMPROVE THAT.

BUT, UH, THERE'S NO REASON TO DO THAT.

COMMISSIONER ROSE, SO THIS IS ABANDONED.

UH, WILL THE CITY GO IN THERE AND TEAR IT UP? WHATEVER EXISTS AS A STREET, WHETHER IT'S RUBBLE OR WHAT, WILL THEY TEAR IT UP AND JUST LET IT, OR THEY, I I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AGREEMENT IS WITH, AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT GOES.

TYPICALLY WHEN WE ABANDON THE PROPERTY, WE WILL, UM, OFFER THAT TO THE ADJACENT LANDOWNERS TO, UH, PURCHASE.

SO I DON'T, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S A PLAN WITH, WITH THE DEVELOPER AS TO WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PURCHASE, PURCHASE THIS OR, BUT I I'M SURE THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE ANY PLANS TO DO ANY KIND OF DEMOLITION OF THE ROAD.

I THINK IT WOULD BE BAKED INTO THE AGREEMENT THAT THEY'VE GOT IT NOW.

THEY TAKE CARE OF IT.

YEAH.

YEAH.

AND MAY I SAY IT COULDN'T HAPPEN TO A NICER ROAD.

CAUSE 35 YEARS AGO WHEN A GARLAND'S FINEST

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GAVE ME A TICKET CUZ IT WAS A EMPTY ROAD, YOU KNOW, YOUNG KID ZOOMING DOWN ALL ALONE, I THOUGHT, BUT , YEAH.

YEAH.

IT ACTUALLY, IT, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM FOR A WHILE, SO, YEAH.

ALRIGHTY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT, THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM ON OUR, UH, WORK SESSION AGENDA.

SO WE ARE IN RECESS UNTIL SEVEN O'CLOCK.

[Call to Order]

GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO THE NOVEMBER 7TH MEETING OF THE GARLAND PLAN COMMISSION.

AS IS OUR CUSTOM WEEK COMMISSIONER, START OUR MEETING WITH THE PRAYER AND PLEDGE.

YOU'RE INVITED TO JOIN US, WHETHER YOU JOIN US OR NOT, NO WAY AFFECTS THE DECISIONS OF THIS COMMISSION OR YOUR RIGHTS IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION.

NEVER HAS, NEVER WILL.

TONIGHT'S PRAYER AND PLEDGE WILL BE LED BY COMMISSIONER ROSE.

LET'S BOW OUR HEADS.

FATHER GOD, WE COMMISSIONERS COME BEFORE YOU ASK FOR YOUR GUIDANCE IN OUR, UH, WORKING FOR THE CITY OF GARLAND, WE ASK THAT YOU, UM, WATCH OVER ALL THE, UM, UH, POLICE AND FIRE FOLKS.

AND IN PARTICULAR, WE ASK THAT, UH, THIS FRIDAY VETERAN'S DAY, YOU WATCH OVER ALL THOSE MEN AND WOMEN WHO, UH, SERVED THE ARMED FORCES AND ARE STILL AROUND.

WE ASK ALL THIS IN YOUR NAME, AMEN.

PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC, WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY JUSTICE FOR ALL.

WELL, GOOD EVENING AGAIN.

ALRIGHTY.

WE, UH, USED TO USE THE KIOSKS OUT THERE, BUT WE'VE GONE BACK TO THE CARD SIGNUP SYSTEM.

IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK TONIGHT, PLEASE FILL OUT ONE OF THE CARDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE AT THE COMMISSION SECRETARY'S STATION AND FILL IT OUT AND HAND IT TO HER AND WE'LL CALL YOU UP.

WE GIVE APPLICANTS 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.

OTHER SPEAKERS WE ALLOW THREE.

IF YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR A GROUP LIKE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, WE DEFINITELY ALLOW YOU MORE.

AND IT'S RARE THAT WE CUT ANYBODY OFF.

ANYHOW, UH, WHEN YOU COME UP, WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE.

WE NEED THAT FOR THE OFFICIAL RECORD.

SO IF YOU'LL DO THAT, WE DO APPRECIATE IT.

TONIGHT'S

[CONSENT AGENDA]

MEETING, WE'LL START WITH OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

CONSENT AGENDA ARE ITEMS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE REVIEWED AND WILL BE VOTING TO APPROVE IN ONE MOTION.

I WILL READ OFF THE AGENDA AND IF ANYBODY WANTS AN ITEM REMOVED, WHETHER IT'S COMMISSIONER AND THE PUBLIC FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, LET ME KNOW.

CONSENT AGENDA ITEM ONE.

A CONSENT APPROVAL OF THE PLANT COMMISSION MINUTES FOR THE OCTOBER 24TH, 2022 MEETING.

ITEM TWO, A PLAT 22 DASH 38 REALS.

UH, ADDITION REPLANT ITEM TWO B PLA 22 DASH 39 LOFTS I 30 ADDITION COM CONVEYS PLAT, ANYBODY WANT AN ITEM REMOVED FOR CONSIDERATION? SAYING NONE.

CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

MR. CHAIR.

COMMISSIONER ROSE.

OH OH.

COMMISSIONER DALTON.

THANK YOU.

I'M SORRY.

UH, MR. CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION.

WE ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS POSTED, UM, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DALTON.

I BELIEVE I HEARD A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ROSE AND I PUT FRESH BATTERIES IN THE HEARING AIDS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

WHAT, SO THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE AND WAIT A SECOND.

THERE YOU GO.

THAT PASSAGE UNANIMOUSLY.

ALRIGHTY.

[Items 3A & 3B]

OUR FIRST ZONING CASE.

THIS IS A TWO-PARTER, UH, PART THREE, A CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION OF ALLAR GROUP REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR AN AUTOMATED ROLLOVER CAR WASH USE.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1 5 0 1 NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.

THIS ITEM WAS POSTPONED FROM OUR OCTOBER 10TH MEETING AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.

AND ITEM THREE B, CONSIDERATION THE APPLICATION OF ALLAR GROUP REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A PLAN FOR AN AUTOMATED ROLLOVER CAR WASH ON PROPERTY ZONE COMMUNITY RETAIL AGAIN AT 15 0 1 NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.

IS THE, UH, APPLICANT HERE? I THINK I GOT A COUPLE CARDS, BUT I DON'T HAVE AN APPLICANT CARD.

AND IF YOU'LL FILL ONE OUT AFTERWARDS AND GIVE IT TO HER, THAT'D BE FINE.

AH, GOT IT RIGHT THERE.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, MA I'M REPRESENTING, UH,

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DRIVEN BRANDS IN AL GROUP.

UH, THE ADDRESS IS 11 5 16 CY, UH, SPRING CYPRESS STONEWALL.

UM, I, I'LL START WITH PRESENTING.

UM, UH, THE, THE CAR WASH.

UH, THE ADDRESS FOR, UH, THE CAR WASH IS 15 0 1 NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.

UM, THE DEVELOPER WILL BE DRIVEN BRANDS.

UM, WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, TO DEVELOP THE CAR WASH AT THE INTER, UM, I'M SORRY, .

WE ARE, ARE PROPOSING TO, UH, DEVELOP THE CAR WASH, UH, AT THE PROPERTY THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.

UH, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY A LARGER PROPERTY THAT WOULD, THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO SUBDIVIDE.

UM, THE FRONT PORTION WILL BE DEVELOPED AS A CAR WASH AND THE BACK PORTION WILL REMAIN AS A, UH, MEDICAL, UH, MEDICAL FACILITY.

UM, UH, THE AREA ADJACENT TO THE CAR WASH IS MOSTLY COMMERCIAL.

UM, WE HAVE, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREAS, UH, TOWARDS THE NORTH, BUT THAT'S, UH, THERE'S A BUFFER OF APPROXIMATELY 160 FEET, UH, FROM OUR, UH, NEAREST PROPERTY LINE TO, UH, THE NEAREST, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

UM, UM, BASED ON THE STAFF REPORT, UH, IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT, UH, WE HAVE 130 FEET, UM, UH, BUFFER.

UH, WE ARE EXCEEDING THAT I'D.

UM, SO, UM, THE, THE ZONING, UH, WE, UH, ZONING IS, UH, COMMERCIAL RETAIL.

UM, UH, CAR WASH FACILITIES ARE, UM, ALLOWED IN COMMERCIAL RETAIL WITH A SPECIAL USE, UH, PERMIT.

AND THAT'S THE REASON.

UM, I'M HERE TODAY.

YOU, UM, AS I MENTIONED, MAJORITY OF THAT AREA, UM, IS SHOPPING CENTERS, RESTAURANTS, BANKS, AND MEDICAL, UM, MEDICAL OFFICES.

UM, THE CLOSEST, UH, CAR WASH FACILITY, UM, IS, UH, THREE MILES FROM THAT AREA.

SO, UH, IT'S TO THE BENEFIT OF THE AREA, UH, TO HAVE A CAR WASH, UM, THAT WOULD SERVE THAT AREA.

UM, UH, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 165 FEET FROM THE CLOSEST, UH, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UH, PROPERTY.

IF YOU CAN.

UM, UM, IF YOU CAN, UM, SEE THE, UH, YELLOW, UM, BUFFER AREA THAT'S, UH, THE MEDICAL, UH, FACILITY THAT WILL REMAIN IN, UH, IN PLACE.

UH, AND THERE'S A GOOD AMOUNT OF, UH, UM, LANDSCAPE IN THE AREA THAT WILL SERVE AS A BUFFER.

UM, THIS ANOTHER OVERVIEW OF THE AREA THAT SHOWS THAT, UH, THERE ARE, UM, A LOT OF RETAIL IN THE AREA.

UH, YOU HAVE WALMART, UH, ALDI, UM, AND THEN A STRIP CENTER JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM US.

UH, UM, ONE, ONE OF, UH, THE OBJECTIONS THAT WERE, UH, MENTIONED IN THE, UM, UH, STAFF REPORT WAS, UH, UH, UH, WAS THE, UH, UH, THE BAY OF THE CAR WASH FACING, UM, FACING, UH, FACING THIS, UH, THE MAIN STREET.

UM, OUR CAR WASH HA HAS A LIMITED FRONTAGE WITH THE HIGHWAY.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 40 FEET, AND WE ARE PRO PROVIDING, UH, SHRUBS AND ALSO ADDED LANDSCAPE THAT WILL SCREEN THE SIDE, UH, WILL SCREEN THE SIDE.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'LL HELP WITH, UH, UH, WITH THAT CONCERN.

UH, BUT OVERALL WE WERE STUDYING THE AREA FOR OTHER CAR WASH.

THERE ARE CAR WASHES, UH, UH, THAT HAS, UH, THAT, THAT HAS THE SAME, THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE SAME, UM, CONCERN, UH, UH, OR THE, WITH THE SAME ISSUE.

UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE CAR WASH.

IT'S, UH, WHITE WIDE WATER CAR WASH.

UH, THE BAY, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, FACES A MAJOR, UH, ROADWAY AND IT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

UM, AND, UH, THEY ARE NOT PROPOSING, UH, AS MUCH OF BUFFER THAT WE ARE PROPOSING.

UM, BUT IN, IN SENSE OF, UH, THE BUFFER, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE LOT BEING, UM, SO MUCH DISTANCE APART ARE PROPOSING FENCE AND FENCING AND, UH, LANDSCAPE.

UH, THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE, UM, THAT, UH, UH, THE CAR WASHES A STAR CAR WASH.

UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL LOT.

AND, UH, THE BAY FACES, UM,

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UH, BELT LINE ROAD, WHICH IS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, UM, BUMPER TO BUMPER CAR WASH HAS, UM, UH, THE SAME, UM, CONFIGURATION, UM, UH, REALLY CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL AREA AND ALSO, UM, FACING A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.

UM, WITH, WITH THAT SAID, IN NO WAY WE ARE SAYING THAT, UH, TORAN MAKES, UH, UH, MAKES A RIGHT.

UH, WE ARE, UH, WILLING TO HEAR ANY SUGGESTION AND PROVIDE ANY TYPE OF SCREENING OR DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE CONDITION.

UM, UM, I'M GONNA GO OVER SOME MORE SIDE SPECIFIC, UH, THINGS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, UH, WE ARE ONLY 40 FEET.

WE HAVE ONLY 40 FEET OF FRONTAGE, AND WE ARE WILLING TO, UH, UH, TO, UM, ACCEPT ANY SUGGESTION, UH, THAT, UM, UH, MITIGATES THAT CONCERN.

UM, ON THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL SIDE, UM, WE HAVE A GOOD AMOUNT OF BUFFER, BUT, UH, IF, UH, IF SOUND IS A CONCERN, WE ARE OPEN TO SOUND WALL.

UM, ALTHOUGH IT'S GONNA BE REALLY FAR APART FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, UH, WE ARE OPEN TO, UM, INTRODUCING MORE LANDSCAPING, UM, TO HELP WITH THE, UH, WITH THE SOUND AND WITH THE, UH, PRIVACY AND ALL THAT.

UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA RUN THROUGH THE, UH, MORE SITE SPECIFIC, UM, UH, THINGS.

UM, OUR SIDE IS ONE ACRE.

UM, THE LANDSCAPE AREA WILL BE APPROXIMATELY, UH, UH, 0.27 ACRES.

PAVEMENT AREA WILL BE 0.6, UH, FOUR ACRES.

UM, UH, IN THE TOTAL IMPERVIOUS WITH THE BUILDING WILL BE 0.7 ACRES.

UM, WE HAVE WORKED WITH, UH, TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO ADDRESS ALL THEIR CONCERNS REGARDING TRAFFIC FLOW, REGARDING, UM, DUMPSTER LOCATIONS AND DIFFERENT OTHER ITEMS. WE'VE BEEN, UH, CLOSELY COORDINATING WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE APPE ALL THEIR COMMENTS.

UM, THIS IS ENLARGE SITE PLAN, AND ALSO IT INCLUDES A RENDERING.

AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S NOT A, UM, I DON'T WANNA MENTION THE WORD CHEAP, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S APPEALING CAR WASH.

IT'S NOT CAR WASH THAT'S BUILT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, COSTLESS OR SAVE MONEY DRIVEN BRANDS OR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD FRIENDLY CAR WASHES.

THEY WANNA BUILD CAR WASHES AND WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO EARN THEIR BUSINESS.

UM, SO THEY'RE FOCUSING NOT ONLY ON, UH, BUILDING A CAR WASH AND, UH, HANDING THAT OVER TO SOMEONE ELSE.

THEY OPERATE THOSE CAR WASHES AND MAINTAIN IT WELL WHEN THEY OPERATE THE CAR WASH, UH, UH, PART OF, UH, FORTUNE 500, UH, COMPANIES.

SO OBVIOUSLY THEIR IMAGE MATTERS TO THEM.

UM, THIS IS ANOTHER RENDERING IN THE ACTUAL FLOOR PLAN OF THE TUNNEL ITSELF.

UM, THE TALLEST, UM, SO THE TALLEST FEATURE FOR THE BUILDING WILL BE, UM, HARD TO SEE 31 FEET IN SOME CHANGE.

UM, AND THAT'S NOT, UH, THE OCCUPIED STATE.

IT'S JUST, UH, UH, ARCHITECTURAL, UH, ARCH, UH, FEATURE, UH, THAT'S THAT TALL.

UM, THIS IS, UH, A DIFFERENT, UH, SIDES OF THE BUILDING.

WE HAVE, UM, UH, WE HAVE MODIFIED OUR PRO PROTOTYPE, UH, BUILDING TO, UH, MAKE IT MORE, UM, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BLEND INTO THAT, UH, INTO THAT AREA AND ALSO MAKE IT, UH, UH, TO SOMETHING THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY.

SO, UH, WE HAVE HAD, UH, A GOOD AMOUNT OF, UH, FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY ON WHAT TO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT TO ADD AND WHAT TO REMOVE ON THESE, UH, UM, ELEVATIONS.

UH, THAT'S, UM, UH, ANOTHER CAR WASH, UH, THAT'S, THAT EVENTUALLY OUR CAR WASH WOULD LOOK LIKE.

UM, WITH, WITH THAT, UH, I JUST WANNA COME BACK TO THE FACT THAT WE ARE, UM, I, I DID PRESENT SOME CASES THAT, UH, WANTED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, SAY THAT WE ARE NOT REQUESTING SOMETHING OUT OF ORDINARY.

IT WAS REQUESTED BEFORE, BUT WE ARE, UM, WE ARE OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTION OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO BUILD THIS CAR WASH AT THAT LOCATION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER ROSE,

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WHAT IS A, UH, ROLLOVER CAR WASH? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, ? IT, UH, THAT TERM COMES MORE FROM, UH, THE, UH, CITY, UH, ORDINANCES, BUT FOR US, IT'S AN AUTOMATED CAR WASH THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GO BASICALLY DRIVE TO, UH, UH, TO A KIOSK, PAY YOUR, UH, PAY YOUR MONEY, AND THEN GO, IT'S GONNA BE ON A, ON A, UM, CABLE.

ON A CABLE AND IT ON THE OTHER SIDE.

YOU, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DRIVE, UH, DRIVE AWAY WITH A CLEAN CAR.

I UNDERSTAND.

I JUST ROLL OVER CAR WASH.

SOUNDS STRANGE.

.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHTY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I SEE NONE.

THANK YOU.

AND CAN I HAVE A COUPLE SPEAKERS I'LL ASK YOU BACK UP AFTERWARDS? ALRIGHTY.

UH, MR. BRENT RICH, GOOD EVENING.

UH, BRENT RICH, 1410 MAYFIELD GARLAND, TEXAS 75 0 4 1.

UH, HE MENTIONED THAT THE NEAREST CAR WASH WAS THREE MILES AWAY.

I JUST GOOGLED IT.

UH, UH, THE NEAREST CAR WASHED FROM THIS LOCATION WOULD BE 1.3 MILES, AND IT WOULD BE AT CENTERVILLE AND DUCK CREEK WHITEWATER.

UH, WE'RE DEFINITELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE OF THIS CAR WASH.

WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, THERE IS NO, WE LOST THE WALL THAT WE HAD BEHIND OUR HOUSE, UH, JUST RECENTLY, UH, DUE TO ZONING CHANGES.

SO NOW THE, THE WALL THAT WAS BEHIND OUR HOUSE WAS A MASONRY WALL, BUT NOW IT'S, UH, IT'S, UH, A FOUR FOOT RETAINING WALL THAT IS NOT EVEN ENGINEERED, UH, AT THIS POINT.

UH, SO IT'S, IT'S BREAKING CITY CODE AT THAT POINT, AND IT HASN'T EVEN BEEN FINISHED YET.

SO THERE'S PUTTING ROD IRON ON TOP OF A FOUR FOOT MASONRY WALL OR, UM, RETAINING WALL.

AND SO WE HAVE NO SOUND BARRIER ANYMORE THAT WE USED TO HAVE.

UM, THERE IS NO, UH, PLANT OR SCREENING ON THIS WALL THAT'S DIRECTLY BEHIND OUR HOUSE.

UH, THE OTHER THING WAS, UM, FROM ENGINEERING, IT'S SAYING THAT IT'S GONNA INCREASE THE WATER, UH, PROVISIONS BY 23%.

UM, SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF WATER RETENTION ON SITE.

THE ROAD THAT THEY'RE, THAT IS, UM, THAT YOU WOULD DRIVE IN ON, ON HIS PICTURE.

UH, IT IS NOT EVEN A ROAD IF YOU WERE TO GOOGLE IT, IT'S CALLED NORTHWEST DRIVE OR NORTHWEST VILLAGE DRIVE, WHICH DOESN'T COME UP ON GOOGLE.

AND, UH, SO WE'RE DEFINITELY, THAT'S ONE OF OUR CONCERNS.

THE, THE CONCERN IS JUST, UM, THE MAIN CONCERN IS REALLY THE NOISE, THE ADDITIONAL NOISE THAT IS BACKING UP TO THIS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

UM, AND THAT, I THINK THAT'S ALL I GOT.

ALL RIGHTY.

ANY QUESTIONS WITH THE SPEAKER? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

UH, NEXT I HAVE A CARD FROM MICHAEL MCGRAIN.

MAGAR.

I AM VERY GOOD AT MISREADING, HANDWRITING, AND MISPRONOUNCING NAMES.

SO YOU SIR.

NO, GO AHEAD.

YOU'RE FINE.

I, UNFORTUNATELY HAPPEN TO BE THE NEXT CLOSEST RESIDENT TO THIS PROJECT.

THE CLOSEST RESIDENT IS 85 YEARS OLD AND WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND HERE TONIGHT.

THE NEXT CLOSEST RESIDENT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HER IS ALSO 82 AND HAS MEDICAL ISSUES AND COULDN'T BE HERE.

IN TALKING TO MY NEIGHBORS, THERE'S A SEVERE AMOUNT OF CONCERN THAT THIS CONTINUES TO BUILD UP BEHIND US.

AND BECAUSE OF THE GDC AND THE WAY IT WAS PREVIOUSLY SET UP, PROTECTIVE BARRIERS TO PROTECT US FROM WHAT GOES ON ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, WHICH WE UNDERSTOOD THAT WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSES, IT WAS COMMERCIAL, BUT THE, THE WALLS HAVE DISAPPEARED.

THE VEGETATION SCREENS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.

THEY'VE ALL BEEN CHOPPED DOWN.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE SAYS THERE'S ADEQUATE VEGETATION.

ONE BUSH.

I I, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA CUT IT.

MM-HMM.

.

I ALSO HAVE A CONCERN THAT THE MEDICAL BUILDING THERE IS ALSO A HAVEN TO HOMELESS PEOPLE.

CURRENTLY WE HAVE THIS PROBLEM IN OUR BACKYARD.

OKAY, THEN I HAVE TO TALK ABOUT LIGHT POLLUTION OR BEING FLOODED WITH LIGHT FROM WALMART, ALDI, UNTIL ALDI TURNS HIS LIGHTS OFF AT NIGHT.

THEY MADE THAT CONCESSION TO US IN THEIR THING.

BUT WE'RE ALREADY FLOODED WITH LIGHT POLLUTION.

IF YOU COME INTO MY BACKYARD, I MEAN, PHYSICALLY IN MY BACKYARD, YOU CAN READ A BOOK AT NIGHT.

NOT COOL, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, I LIKE THE DARK.

I LIKE TO RELAX

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IN MY BACKYARD WHEN I COME HOME FROM WORK AND I THINK I'M ENTITLED TO THAT.

I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT IS THERE GONNA BE CAMERAS SUPPORTING THIS PLACE SO THAT THE ACTIVITY AT NIGHT IS RECORDED? CUZ CAR WASHES DO SOMETIMES ATTRACT ISSUES, EVEN THE AUTOMATIC ONES AFTER THEY'RE CLOSED AT NIGHT.

IN ALL FAIRNESS, WE GO ON TO TALK ABOUT THE 32 FOOT HEIGHT.

I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THAT FROM MY BACKYARD.

WOW.

OOH, WOW.

NORTHWEST VILLAGE DRIVE, WHEN YOU CALL 9 1 1, THEY'VE NEVER HEARD OF IT, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE THE STREET, QUOTE UNQUOTE THEIR TRAFFIC.

IT'S A NARROW DRIVEWAY COMING OFF THE STREET.

SO UNLESS THEY'RE ENLARGING THAT AND REDOING THAT, I DON'T SEE HOW IT'S GONNA HANDLE THE TRAFFIC FLOW.

I MEAN, I'VE GOTTA BE HONEST, IF YOU GO MEASURE IT, IT'S LIKE 29 FEET OR 31 FOOT ACROSS.

I WAS WORKING QUICKLY, I WAS DOING A QUICKIE.

THERE WAS CARS COMING AND I COULDN'T BE TOTALLY ACCURATE.

I'M SORRY, I I I JUST HAVE SOME CONCERNS HERE.

AND THE SOUND.

I'VE SEEN THESE PLACES WHERE ACCIDENTALLY LEAVE THE MUSIC ON AT NIGHT.

WHO AM I GONNA CALL AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT WHEN I'M LISTENING TO THEIR MUSIC? NOBODY, BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE NOBODY THERE, AND I'M SURE THEY'RE NOT GIVING ME THEIR HOME NUMBERS.

SO THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS I'M COMING UP WITH.

LIGHT POLLUTION, THE SOUND CAMERAS WATCHING FOR THE TRAFFIC AND ACTIVITY IN THE AREA THAT'S ALREADY ELICITED IN ALREADY A PROBLEM.

AND A GP D HAS, HAS FOUGHT AS HARD AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO TRY AND STOP, AND IT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE.

WE'VE ALSO GOT TWO DEVELOPMENTAL DAYCARE CENTERS FOR ADULTS THERE THAT ARE QUOTE UNQUOTE ALLOWED UNDER OFFICE BUILDINGS.

AND WE HAVE THAT TRAFFIC AND THAT NOISE BACK THERE.

THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE.

I WON'T ATTACH IT TO THIS ISSUE, BUT WE'RE ALREADY STRUGGLING TO PROTECT OUR HOMES, OUR HOME VALUES, AND WHAT WE'VE PUT IN.

I MEAN, I'VE JUST FINISHED REMODELING MY HOUSE.

MY WIFE ANNOUNCES WE'RE GONNA DIE IN THIS HOUSE.

WELL, LAST YEAR, , THAT'S OUR PLAN CUZ WE CAN'T AFFORD TO SELL IT AND GO ANYWHERE ELSE, QUITE HONESTLY IN TODAY'S WORLD.

SO THAT'S IT.

AND THEN SHE FINDS OUT ALL THIS IS GOING ON AND SHE'S LIKE, THAT'S IT.

WE'RE SELLING IT.

AND I'M SITTING THERE GOING, OH, COME ON, .

IT'S JUST NOT FAIR.

PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHERE TO FIX THEIR HOUSES, KEEP THEIR HOUSES UP OR JUST LET 'EM GO BECAUSE WE'RE SOUTH GARLAND AND WE DON'T KIND OF COUNT IN THAT CORNER OVER THERE.

IF YOU, IF YOU COULD WRAP UP PLEASE.

I'M WRAPPED.

OKAY.

YOU GOT IT.

THANK YOU.

ANY, WELL, NO, I'VE GOT SOME, UH, PEOPLE WHO WISH TO TALK TO COMMISSIONER ROBIN.

YES, SIR.

RIGHT HERE.

THANK YOU MR. MCGREGOR FOR COMING DOWN.

UM, AND, AND IF YOU COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE, UNDER THE CURRENT INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S THERE, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ALONG, PARTICULARLY ALONG MAYFIELD AND CLEARPOINT THAT BORDERS THAT IN THAT BERM.

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU'VE HAD JUST OVER THE YEAR? I MEAN, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER, YOU AND I HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT US.

OH, I, WE, WE STARTED WITH GOODWILL AND ALDI.

WE USED TO HAVE A WALL, A RETAINING WALL BETWEEN DART AND US, WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL USAGE OF THAT PROPERTY THAT WENT FROM THE CAR WASH TO THE, ALMOST TO THE CORNER WHERE AN INSURANCE BUILDING WAS WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT CAME IN OF ALDI AND THE GOODWILL STORE FOR SOME REASON, BECAUSE THE GDC DOESN'T ALLOW FOR PROPER RETAINING WALLS, OR FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, WHATEVER WALLS YOU WANT TO CALL.

AND YOU GO ALL OVER THIS TOWN, YOU GO TO THE WALMART, NORTH GARLAND AVENUE, IT'S NOT IN THE GDC, BUT THEY'VE GOT A HUGE WALL BETWEEN THEM AND THE NEIGHBORS.

YOU GO TO THE HOME DEPOT AT JUPITER AND WALNUT, JUPITER BUCKINGHAM THERE, THEY'VE GOT A HUGE WALL BEHIND THEIR COMPLEX IN THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S NOT RE REQUIRED BY THE GDC, BUT AS GOOD NEIGHBORS, THEY DID IT.

AS THESE OTHER PEOPLE MOVED IN, THE WALL WENT AWAY AND WE ENDED UP WITH A SLOPED BERM WITH SOME VEGETATION.

THE IRRIGATION PIPES ARE BROKEN CONSTANTLY.

THE WATER RUNS DOWN, THE IRRIGATION DOESN'T WATER THE VEGETATION, THE VEGETATION LOOKS HORRIBLE.

AND ALL WE HAVE IS A HILL THAT YOU CAN WALK OVER.

SO NOW WHEN THE POLICE ARE ON ONE SIDE OF THE HILL DEALING WITH PEOPLE, ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS RUN INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

OR SOMETIMES WHEN WE GET 'EM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY'RE INVOLVED IN ACTIVITIES THAT PROBABLY AREN'T APPROPRIATE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY GO BACK UP THE WALL.

I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO HIT THAT.

GPD IS IN THE ALLEY AND THEY'VE ALREADY GONE OVER THE HILL, WHICH IS IN A SIX FOOT WALL ANYMORE, OR A FIVE FOOT WALL.

IT'S NOW JUST A HILL.

YOU WALK UP AND OVER.

SO SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS AT THAT END OF THE STREET, WHICH AREN'T AS AFFECTED BY THIS, DON'T LIKE THAT THING .

OKAY, SORRY, I TALK WITH MY HANDS.

I DO TOO.

THEY HAVE A PROBLEM IN THAT WHEN THEY USED TO WALK OUT AND HAVE A

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WALL, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, BLOCKING THE VIEW IN THEIR BACKYARD AND KEEPING THINGS ON A COMMERCIAL SIDE THAT BELONG THERE.

NOW THEY LOOK OUT AND THEY'RE WALKING, LOOKING AT THE BACK OF GOODWILL.

THAT'S HORRIBLE.

THAT'S HORRIBLE.

I MEAN, THAT'S THEIR VIEW.

THEN AS YOU MOVE A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN THE BER WE'VE HAD INFESTATIONS OF HOMELESS WHERE WE HAD HEALTH DEPARTMENT ISSUES BECAUSE OF THE HUMAN DEFECATION, THE ANIMALS IT ATTRACTED, THE FOOD IT ATTRACTED, WE HAD A WAR ALDI THAT WENT ON FOR TWO YEARS BEFORE THE CITY WAS FINALLY ABLE TO FORCE THEM INTO PUTTING IN A COMPACTOR TYPE TRASH SYSTEM INSTEAD OF DUMPSTERS WHERE THE HOMELESS WERE LINED UP AT NIGHT, TAKING FOOD OUT, GOING UP ON THE BERM, EATING A LOT OF HIGH SUGAR CONTENT FOODS AND THE RESULTING EFFECT OF THAT, LEAVING THAT ON THE BERM AND HERE CAME THE POSSUMS, THE RATS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

WE JUST DON'T WANT TO GET INTO .

WE LIVE THERE.

SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, SIR.

WHAT YOU BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE BERM AND WHAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH.

NO, IT DOES AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND, AND, AND FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE TALK ABOUT NO, NO VEGETATION BEING ON THE BERM, WELL SOME OF IT'S DYING.

A COUPLE OF TREES ARE GONNA FALL DOWN INTO SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD OR IT'S A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM AND YOU TAKE OUT VEGETATION SO THAT PEOPLE WON'T LIVE BACK THERE AND SO IT, YOU END UP WITH A CYCLICAL ISSUE.

I DO WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING IS WHAT I DO, BUT WHAT WE DO IS WE WORK WITH LANDSCAPERS TO CUT AWAY THE BOTTOMS OF THE TREES.

NOT THE TREE ITSELF, BUT THE BRANCHES, WHICH ELIMINATES THE PLACES FOR THEM TO HIDE AT THE BASE OF THE TREE.

A LOT OF THESE TREES ALONG THERE ARE TO THE GROUND, THE EVERGREENS, CUZ THAT WAS THE CHEAPEST, EASIEST, FASTEST GROWING VEGETATION.

AND THEY CAN GET IN THERE AND NEST AND YOU CAN SHINE.

POLICE CAR SPOTLIGHTS IN THERE AT NIGHT.

YOU WON'T KNOW THEY'RE THERE.

I KNOW, CUZ I HAVE A CAR POLICE SPOTLIGHT ON IT.

.

THANK YOU.

UH, BEFORE, UH, COMMISSIONER ROSE ASKS YOU A QUESTION, DO NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? SURE.

MICHAEL MCGREGOR 1506 CLEARPOINT DRIVE, GARLAND, TEXAS.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER ROSE, HAVE YOU HAD, AND YOUR NEIGHBORS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH THE APPLICANT AND DISCUSS THIS? NO, SIR, WE WERE NOT, WE WOULD GLADLY SIT DOWN AT A COMMUNITY MEETING.

UH, MR. AUBURN HAS HAD 'EM BEFORE WHEN WE DID THE GOODWILL AND THE, ALL THESE SITUATIONS.

WE'VE HAD 'EM AT THE SCHOOL ROOF ROACH, AND WE HAD ONE HERE AND I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN GET MY NEIGHBORS, I MEAN, THEIR AGE ISN'T GONNA CHANGE.

THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET ANY YOUNGER.

BUT YOU COULD, YOU COULD SPEAK, I WILL GLADLY COME OUT AND SPEAK TO THEM AND GLADLY, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS ISSUES AND SEE IF THERE'S REMEDIES.

WOULD YOU BE, WOULD YOU ENTERTAINED SITTING DOWN WITH THE APPLICANTS AND DISCUSSING YOUR YES SIR.

I WOULD.

OKAY.

THE ONLY CAVEAT IS I'M LEAVING WEDNESDAY FOR A WELL DESERVED VACATION ON MY BOAT IN CLEARWATER AND I AIN'T CANCELING IT.

.

OKAY.

NO.

HOW NO WAY.

IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON IT.

, I SEE NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYBODY GOOD? ALRIGHTY.

UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN THE AUDIENCE, UH, PEOPLE IN THE ARTS, WE SHOULD SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT BACK UP TO ADDRESS.

ANYTHING YOU WANNA GO OR YOU WANT ME TO GO? EITHER ONE, EITHER ONE OF YOU OR BOTH.

I I'LL START WITH ADDRESSING SOME OF THE CONCERNS AND THEN I'LL GIVE MR. GORDON AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

UM, AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE REALLY OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTION.

UM, UH, WHAT I HEARD WAS, UH, UH, CONCERNS REGARDING NOISE.

UM, WE ARE OPEN TO A SOUND BARRIER IF THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL OR SOUND BARRIER IS NOT IN PLACE.

WE ARE WILLING TO, UM, I'M TRYING TO GO BACK TO THE, UM, THE SITE PLAN.

WE ARE WILLING TO PROVIDE SOUND BARRIER ALONG THE NORTH NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE AND ALSO ON THE WEST SIDE.

UM, THAT SHOULD, UH, SHIELD OUR DEVELOPMENT.

UH, ALTHOUGH THERE'S 160 FEET OF BUFFER THERE, UH, THAT SHOULD SHIELD, UH, ANY NOISE, UH, UH, FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO HELP WITH NOISE FROM THE, UH, HIGHWAY.

UM, UH, ALSO WE ARE WILLING TO, UH, UH, PROPOSE MORE, UH, LANDSCAPING AT, ON OUR OWN PROPERTY TO FURTHER HELP WITH BUFFERING, UH, OR, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, HELP WITH, UH, ANY NOISE CONCERN THAT'S THERE.

UM, THE SECOND CONCERN I HEARD WAS REGARDING, UH, THE, UH, THE LIGHTS.

UH, WE ARE, WE WILL BE, UH, WE WILL BE PROVIDING A, A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN THAT SHOWS THAT THE LIGHTS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING WILL NOT ILLUMINATE, UH, OUT OF THE BOUNDARIES OF OUR, UH, OUR PROPERTY.

SO NOT ONLY ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, THERE SHOULD BE NO, UM, UH, LIGHT, UH, LIGHT ELIMINATING OUTSIDE PROPERTY BOUNDARY ON THE COMMERCIAL OR HIGHWAY SITE

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FOR US AS WELL.

THE THIRD CONCERN I HEARD WAS REGARDING DRAINAGE.

UH, WE WILL, UH, WE WILL BE PROVIDING A COMPLETE DRAINAGE ANALYSIS THAT SHOWS THE PRE EXISTING DRAINAGE FLOWS FOR FIVE, 10 YEAR 25 IN A HUNDRED YEAR EVENT AND SHOW THE, UH, PROPOSED, UH, FLOWS, UH, EITHER REDUCING IT OR PROPOSING SOME KIND OF UNDERGROUND TENSION THAT WILL RETAIN THAT WATER, UH, BEFORE.

UH, SO BASICALLY WE WILL NOT INCREASE ANY KIND OF, UH, DRAINAGE FLOWS FOR THE AREA.

ALRIGHTY.

COMMISSIONER ROSE HAS A FOLLOW UP.

IF, UH, YOU WANTED TO SURE ANSWER THAT BEFORE THE OTHER GENTLEMAN COMES UP FOR EITHER ONE OF THEM, WOULD, WOULD YOU BE WILLING, SINCE YOU'VE ALREADY POSTPONED THIS FOR OVER A MONTH, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO, UH, SIT DOWN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PHYSICALLY COMMIT YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS, THIS, THIS, AND THIS, AND THIS WITH LIGHTS, WITH WALLS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, BEFORE IT'S BEING CONSIDERED, UH, BECAUSE OF THEIR POSTPONEMENT, THERE'S NO OTHER POSTPONEMENT AVAILABLE, SO THEY WOULD'VE TO DO THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THE CITY COUNCIL WHEN, WHEN, IF IT'S GONNA COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL? WE, WE HAVE TO ACT TONIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT GOES BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, BUT THE DEVELOPER HAS GIVEN ME THE DISCRETION TO AGREE TO ALL THE CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE, UH, ACCEPTING THE SOUND BARRIER, ACCEPTING, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT INCREASING DRAINAGE FLOWS, UH, OR ANY OTHER CONCERNS IF THEY HAVE, UH, WE CAN AGREE TO IT IN THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW, BUT ACCEPTING IT VERBALLY AND SHOWING HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH THIS ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

YES.

AND, AND THAT'S WHEN THE, UH, UH, UH, THE PERMITS OFFICE AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMES INTO PICTURE, UM, TO, UH, YOU KNOW, KEEP US THROUGH TO OUR, UH, PROMISES.

UM, WE WILL SUBMIT DRAINAGE REPORT TO THEM.

WE WILL SUBMIT PLANS FOR, UH, SOUND BARRIER.

UH, IT CAN BE A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL TO, YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S APPROVED BASED ON THOSE CONDITION, IF THAT'S AN OPTION.

UM, AND, UM, WE, WE WILL PROVIDE ALL THOSE DOCUMENTATION AND ALSO PROVIDE, UH, NOT ONLY TO THE CITY, BUT WE WILL PROVIDE IT TO THE RESIDENT AS WELL, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY AGREE, UH, AGREE WITH US BEFORE, UH, WE GO FOR, UH, ANY KIND OF APPROVAL FROM THE CITY.

UM, OKAY.

THIS WOULD GO BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 6TH.

THAT SHOULD BE AM AMPLE TIME FOR US TO MAKE ALL THOSE, UH, DESIGN, YOU KNOW, SUBMIT ALL THOSE DESIGN.

RIGHT.

AND, YOU KNOW, NO MATTER HOW WE VOTE, CITY COUNCIL HAS A LAST SAY WE'RE AN ADVISORY BODY TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

OKAY? YES, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

AND DID THE OTHER GENTLEMAN WISH TO SAY ANYTHING OR YOU SAY THAT I'LL NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

MY NAME IS GORDON SADKIN.

I WILL, , WE'VE TALKED ON THE PHONE ENOUGH, UH, AND YOUR ADDRESS.

YEAH.

MY NAME IS GORDON SADKIN, UH, 34 19 WESTMINSTER, DALLAS, TEXAS, 75,002 FIVE.

I'M THE SELLER OF THE PROPERTY.

I'M ALSO A DOUBLE DEGREE ENGINEER AND I'M A 40 YEAR, UH, TERM DEVELOPER.

I'VE DEVELOPED NATIONALLY ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

I'VE DONE ABOUT 15 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF DEALS.

UH, THIS IS VERY MINOR COMPARED TO WHAT I USUALLY DO, BUT IN THIS CASE, I'M JUST, I'M THE SELLER AND I'M JUST KIND OF INVOLVED IN THIS ON THE PERIPHERY.

UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT I'VE HEARD, I MEAN, I'VE DEALT WITH IN MUCH LARGER, LARGER SCALE, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY ADDRESS 'EM AS FAR AS THAT LIGHT ADMITTANCE IS CONCERNED.

WILL, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF W WLS LIGHTING OUTTA FORT WORTH? OKAY.

UM, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M ALLUDING TO ARE THESE LIGHT STANDARDS AND THEY'VE GOT VERY DIRECTED HEADS ON THEM SO THAT THE WHOLE THING WILL, IT'LL GO UP IN THE AIR TO A CERTAIN HEIGHT, LET'S SAY 18 FEET.

AND THE HEADS ARE ALL DIRECTED ONTO THE PROPERTY ITSELF AND NOTHING, NOTHING, WHOOPS.

I'M GONNA DO THINGS, NOTHING ESCAPES OUT, AND THEN THEY'LL BE ON A TIMER AND THEY'LL ALL SHUT DOWN.

SO NOTHING'S GONNA GO INTO ANYBODY'S BACKYARDS, WHICH ARE 160 FEET AWAY OR MORE.

UM, AS FAR AS SOUND IS CONCERNED, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A CERTAIN DEGREE OF INTERMITTENT SOUND FROM THE CAR WASH ITSELF, BUT THAT'S NOTHING TO COMPARE TO 28,000 CARS A DAY.

PLUS THE,

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UH, COMMERCIAL TRUCKING TRAFFIC THAT'S ON NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.

AND THAT DECIBEL ACCOUNT'S GONNA BE A WHOLE HECK OF A LOT HIGHER THAN THERE IS COMING OUT OF ANY CAR WASH.

UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A BUFFER OR A BUFFER WALL THAT COULD BE A COMBINATION OF, YOU KNOW, CMU, ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS, PLUS LANDSCAPING THAT'LL SERVE AS A BUFFER.

BUT THEN I KEEP HEARING ABOUT THIS BERM AND IT'S NOT WORKING.

THE IRRIGATION'S NOT WORKING, IT'S GETTING TORN UP.

AND I MIGHT RE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY, TO ALDI, TO GOODWILL, TO EVERYBODY CONCERNED THAT Y'ALL MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT RIP WRAP.

WILL YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? Y'ALL MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT JUST DOING RIP WRAP.

I DID A 600,000 SQUARE FOOT CENTER UP IN DENVER AND WE KEPT LOOKING AT IT AND THE ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY OF LANDSCAPING, ALL OF THAT.

AND IT WAS, I FORGOT THE DISTANCE WAS PROBABLY OVER HALF A MILE AND WE GAVE UP.

WE SAID, WE'RE NOT GONNA FOOL WITH THIS, PARTICULARLY WITH, UH, DENVER AS DIFFERENT WEATHER THAN WE DO HERE.

AND WE DECIDED WE WENT WITH CROP.

IT MADE IT A WHOLE LOT SIMPLER TO MAINTAIN AND A LOT CHEAPER AS FAR AS THIS DENIAL IS CONCERNED.

I'VE GOT SOMETHING I CAN HAND OUT TO EVERYBODY HERE, BUT I'M STILL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY.

THERE'S NO SPECIFICS TO THE DENIAL ITSELF.

UH, I PUT TOGETHER, SHALL WE SAY, THE REBUTTAL ITSELF AND THEN THEY TURNED IT INTO THIS EXHIBIT.

SO I DON'T WANT TO COME ACROSS AS CONFRONTATIONAL.

I'M JUST REALLY CURIOUS BECAUSE THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE