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CHAIRMAN ROBERTS, I'M CHECKING WITH YOU.
ALL RIGHT. I GUESS WE'RE LIVE NOW.
IT DIDN'T SHOW UP ON OUR SCREEN, SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T DO AN INTRO.
WELCOME TO THE NOVEMBER 21ST MEETING OF THE GARLAND PLAN COMMISSION.
[Plan Commission Pre Meeting]
THIS IS OUR WORK SESSION PORTION WHERE WE'LL BE GET OUR GETTING OUR STAFF BRIEFING.AFTER THAT, WE WILL RECESS AND COME BACK AT 7:00 FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE MEETING.
MR. GARRETT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START THINGS OFF WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANY ANY CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS? I SEE NONE. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE ZONING CASES THIS EVENING.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND KICK US OFF WITH THE FIRST CASE BY GOLDEN FRANCHISING CORPORATION.
THIS IS A TWO PART REQUEST SOUP AND A PLAN.
THIS IS A REQUEST TO ALLOW A DRIVE THRU RESTAURANT.
AND THE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS 60 102 NORTH JUPITER ROAD AND THE ACREAGE OF THE SITE IS JUST UNDER HALF AN ACRE, ABOUT 0.415 ACRES, AND THE SITE IS ZONED COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT, WHICH REQUIRES AN SUP FOR A DRIVE THRU RESTAURANT.
AND HERE IS A GENERAL CITYWIDE LOCATION MAP.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN THE NORTHWESTERN PORTION OF GARLAND.
AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SHOWN MORE SPECIFICALLY HERE OUTLINED IN TEAL.
BEHIND THE SUBJECT, PROPERTY IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
JUPITER ROAD AND REALLY EVERYTHING WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS IN RICHARDSON.
AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT FURTHER SOUTH IS ANOTHER RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AS A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS, WHICH GENERALLY CORRESPONDS WITH NON RESIDENTIAL KIND OF RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL USES.
THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE AREA, INCLUDING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SHOWN ON THE TOP LEFT.
THERE. AND THEN YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE SONIC IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH.
AND THEN HERE'S ANOTHER PHOTO ON THE TOP RIGHT, WHICH SHOWS THE SONIC.
AND THEN FURTHER TO THE NORTH OF THAT IS AN AUTO ZONE.
AND THEN TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY AGAIN IS RICHARDSON.
THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN FURTHER NORTH OF THAT ARE SOME COMMERCIAL AND A LOT OF AUTO AUTO ORIENTED USES.
HERE'S THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
THE PROPOSAL COMPLIES WITH THE GDC REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF PARKING AND SITE DESIGN.
I SHOULD NOTE THAT THE PROPOSAL.
FOR THIS GOLDEN CHICK DOES NOT INCLUDE INDOOR SEATING FOR DINING, SO IT IS DRIVE THRU AND THEN TAKE OUT ONLY SO FOLKS CAN STILL PARK AND COME INSIDE AND ORDER AT A COUNTER.
BUT THEN IT WOULD BE TO GO ONLY.
AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING IS JUST OVER 1000 SQUARE FEET.
IT COMPLIES WITH THE LANDSCAPE REGULATIONS OF THE GDC.
THEY'RE SHOWING FOUR LARGE CANOPY TREES ALONG THE SIDE OF THE MASONRY WALL.
THEY'RE SHOWING CEDAR ELMS THERE FOR LARGE CANOPY TREES.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S A PROPOSED TREE HERE AND HERE AND THEN, OF COURSE, ALONG JUPITER ROAD.
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THOSE ARE EXISTING.THE APPLICANT'S GOAL IS TO TRY TO PRESERVE THOSE, BUT THEY'LL REALLY KNOW FOR SURE ONCE THEY GET KIND OF INTO CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND AND GET A LITTLE DEEPER INTO THAT. BUT THEIR GOAL IS TO TRY TO PRESERVE THOSE AS IF POSSIBLE.
HERE, THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS PROPOSED.
THEY MEET THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS OF THE GDC.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTS THE SAP TO BE IN EFFECT FOR A PERIOD OF 25 YEARS, WHICH ALIGNS WITH THE SAP TIME PERIOD GUIDE FOR DRIVE THRU RESTAURANTS, AND SUCH RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST.
AND WE MAILED OUT 40 NOTIFICATION LETTERS ON THIS CASE AND WE RECEIVED SIX AGAINST THE REQUEST WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA AND TWO AGAINST THE REQUEST OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION AREA.
AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER ROSE ON THE IMMEDIATE SOUTH, THE POWER EASEMENT, DOESN'T THE CITY HAVE PLANS TO TURN THAT INTO A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN WALK AND RIDE YOUR BIKES AND STUFF? AS PART OF PART OF THE PREPS TRAIL MASTER PLAN.
I COULDN'T CONFIRM THAT. RIGHT.
LOOK INTO THAT GOING TO HAPPEN.
I JUST WAS CURIOUS IF THAT'S THE PLACE THAT THERE IS A.
YEAH. AND THERE'S A CREEK ADJACENT TO THERE WHICH.
YEAH. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT A FEW. AND THEY'RE MOSTLY BASED OFF OF THE LETTERS THAT WE GOT IN.
I NOTICE THERE'S A 40 FOOT FLAGPOLE ON HERS THAT IT'S.
IT'S NOTED ON THE SITE PLAN, AS IS READING THE NOTES.
IS THAT AN ALLOWED HEIGHT IN THE CITY OR JUST SOMETHING FOR YOU TO LOOK AT LATER? ALSO, ONE OF THE LETTERS ASKED THAT THE I DROVE DOWN THE ALLEY A LITTLE BIT IN THERE.
AND THEN FOR TREES WILL BE PUT IN.
SO IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE VIEWS BLOCKED NOW WON'T BE SO.
AND AGAIN, THIS MAY BE MORE FOR THE APPLICANT.
ANY THOUGHT OF KEEPING THE EXISTING FOLIAGE THERE? AND THERE'S A RETAINING WALL TO THE SOUTH.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT IT'S IT'S A HIGH WALL IN THE GROUND BEYOND IT'S LOW.
WILL THERE BE I THINK IT'S OVER 18 INCHES.
THEY PROBABLY HAVE TO PUT A RAILING IN THERE ANYHOW.
BUT THERE'S NO FENCE SHOWN ON THERE.
WHICH GOES TO ANOTHER QUESTION FROM ANOTHER CITIZEN IS ABOUT THE TRASH THAT HAS BEEN BLOWING UP, APPARENTLY FROM THE SONIC INTO THE CREEK AND WITH THE FENCE ALONG THERE THAT WOULD CATCH TRASH BEFORE IT GETS TO THE CREEK.
SO I THINK ENVIRONMENTAL WOULD LIKE THAT AS WELL AS THE BUILDING CODE ABOUT FALLING OFF A WALL.
AND AGAIN, I'LL PROBABLY ASK THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE LIGHTING IN THE BACK.
AND THESE ARE ALL SHIELDED LIGHTS AND EVERYTHING WHERE THE BULBS AREN'T RIGHT.
THAT'S VISIBLE. STANDARD, DARK, DARK SKY KIND OF CONCEPT.
THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THANK YOU.
LOOK NOTHING LIKE THAT OTHER WAY.
THIS IS A CASE FOR THE APPLICANT REQUESTS APPROVAL OF A DETAILED PLAN FOR MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE.
RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AND SUBDISTRICT.
TWO OF THE GREEN BELT PARKWAY P.D..
THE LOCATION IS 6302 GREENBELT PARKWAY.
THE PROPERTY SIZE IS APPROXIMATELY 10.37 ACRES, AND IT IS ZONED PD 2225.
AND THIS LOCATION MAP SHOWS THE EXACT AREAS WITH THE BOUNDARY OUTLINED IN TEAL GREEN.
IT'S ON AN UNDEVELOPED PIECE OF PROPERTY ADJACENT TO A WALMART SUPERSTORE, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS IDENTIFIED AS TRANSIT ORIENTED CENTERS. AND TRANSIT ORIENTED CENTERS ARE AREAS OF CONCENTRATED ACTIVITY AND INCREASED DENSITY WITH MAXIMUM ACCESS TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS.
THIS TYPE OF CENTER SHOULD BE DEVELOPED WITH MIXED USE WITH LIVE WORK, PLAY AND SHOP OPPORTUNITIES.
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TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE WITHIN A QUARTER MILE TO A HALF MILE OF MASS TRANSIT CENTERS AND OR RAIL STATIONS AND PROVIDE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE FRIENDLY ACCESS, WHICH THIS PROPOSAL DOES.THIS AREA WAS A STUDY THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL EARLIER THIS YEAR FOR PD 2225.
AND IN THAT STUDY WAS THIS CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS DERIVED AS THE THE PREFERRED CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
IT COMBINES THE DARK PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, ALONG WITH THE VACANT TRACT TO THE SOUTH.
AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 27 TOTAL ACRES.
THIS PROPERTY THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS ON THE UNDEVELOPED TRACT.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT THERE WERE IDENTIFIED USES OF COMMERCIAL USES TO THE SOUTH, RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE CENTER, AND THEN THE DART TRANSIT STATION, ALONG WITH OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES ON THE NORTH SIDE COMING OUT OF THAT.
IT WAS DERIVED A SUBDISTRICT MAP THAT HAS THREE SUBDISTRICTS SUBDISTRICT, ONE FOR THE COMMERCIAL USES, SUBDISTRICT, TWO FOR THE MIXED USE AND RESIDENTIAL USES, AND THEN SUBDISTRICT THREE FOR THE DART TRANSIT CENTER AND OTHER IDENTIFIED RESIDENTIAL USES.
IT IS FIVE BUILDINGS ON THIS TRACK THAT ARE FOUR STORIES AND IT HAS ONE AND TWO STORY UNITS.
YOU WILL NOTICE THAT ALL THE FRONT FACING UNITS DO HAVE FRONT YARDS THAT COULD BE CONVERTED INTO PATIO SEATING AREAS SHOULD THEY TRANSITION TO A RETAIL OR RESTAURANT SPACE. AND THE COMMUNITY DOES HAVE WIDER SIDEWALKS, SIX FEET TO TEN FEET WIDE SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY SO THAT IT IS A WALKER, A WALKABILITY OR A WALKER FRIENDLY AREA.
THIS SHOWS YOU THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, WHICH YOU CAN SEE AN ABUNDANCE OF TREES OUT THERE, PARTICULARLY ALONG THE MAIN PROMENADE THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS ALONG GREENBELT PARKWAY.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE ON THE TEXAS SUMMER, YOU DON'T WANT TO JUST WALK OUT ON THE HOT SIDEWALK.
SO TO MAKE IT MORE ENTICING TO WALK, YOU HAVE EXTRA TREES OUT HERE, ALONG WITH THE OTHER TREES THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE GDC FOR THE PARKING LOT AREA, AS WELL AS WIDE SIDEWALKS AND WALKWAYS IN THE OPEN SPACE AMENITY THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE DART TRANSIT CENTER AREA THAT WILL COMBINE THOSE TWO AREAS, MAKING IT EASILY TO GET FROM ONE AREA TO THE NEXT.
THESE ARE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS FOR THESE PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY ARE INCORPORATING A MIX OF MASONRY PRODUCTS ON THEIR BUILDINGS WITH STONE BRICK AND STUCCO TO GIVE IT A MORE CONTEMPORARY FEEL. YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE THAT THERE'S A PARAPET WALL AT THE TOP THAT WILL SCREEN THE PITCHED ROOF SO THAT IT GIVES IT A MORE URBAN FEEL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN THIS SHOWS YOU A CROSS SECTION DRAWING WHAT THAT TREE LINE PROMENADE WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS SIX FEET WIDE, SIDEWALKS WITH ORNAMENTAL AND CANOPY TREES ALONG THE STREET AND IN THE FRONT YARDS OF THE DIFFERENT UNITS.
AND THEN THE PATIO AREAS THAT ARE THE FRONT YARD AREAS THAT COULD BE CONVERTED INTO PATIO AREAS.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FOR APPROVAL OF A DETAILED PLAN FOR MULTIFAMILY MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 22 TO 25 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS INCORPORATE ADDITIONAL GLAZING WINDOWS AT THE CORNERS OF EACH BUILDING ON THE MAIN ENTRANCE FROM GREEN BELT PARKWAY, WHICH ARE BUILDINGS B AND D, AS WELL AS PROVIDE A MORE PROMINENT AND INTERESTING ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE AT THE ROOFLINE CORNERS OF THESE BUILDINGS AND INCORPORATE ADDITIONAL GLAZING IN THE CLUBHOUSE FITNESS CENTER AREA, ON THE BUILDING ON THE MAIN PROMENADE BUILDING A TO GIVE IT A MORE CONTEMPORARY AND RETAIL READY LOOK AND FEEL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
THERE WERE 29 LETTERS SENT OUT IN THE NOTIFICATION AREAS AND WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY REPLY RESPONSES.
AND WITH THAT, STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
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COMMISSIONER ROSE AND COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.YES, SIR. HAS THE APPLICANT ACCEPTED STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? THEY HAVE. AND THEY WILL BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WITH REGARDS TO THAT.
WHAT PHASE WILL IT BE WHEN THEY START TO DEVELOP THE MORE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE PROPERTY OVER THERE? THE APPLICANT WILL BE HERE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU AS WELL.
I KNOW THAT THIS IS THE FIRST PHASE BRINGING IN RESIDENTIAL.
YOU MENTIONED THAT WHEN THE MARKET DICTATES WHAT THE MARKET IS READY FOR THE RETAIL SPACE, IT WOULD BE, THEREFORE, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO INCLUDE THOSE ADDITIONAL RESTAURANTS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
WHAT FACTORS ARE CONSIDERED TO DETERMINE WHEN THE MARKET IS READY FOR SUCH SUCH AN INCLUSION? I DON'T AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY HAS ANY INFORMATION.
OH, OKAY. HERE, LET ME GET YOU.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. NOW I CAN CUT YOU OFF AGAIN.
I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN ON THE CITY'S RADAR FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
THERE ARE NO CONCERNS REGARDING EITHER ONE OF THOSE ISSUES AT THIS TIME.
I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY SCREENING REQUIREMENTS SINCE THIS IS OPERATED BY RETAIL AND MULTIFAMILY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT A COUPLE IN THE MIXED USE AREA.
DOES THIS ENCOMPASS THAT WHOLE MIXED USE AREA OR IS PART OF THE TOWNHOME AREA TO THE NORTH OF THIS BETWEEN THERE AND DART FOR MIXED USE? REPEAT THAT. THAT'S IT.
THE YEAH YOU HAD THE THE OVERALL PLAN FROM THE STUDY THAT WAS DONE AND YOU SHOWED ONE BEFORE SHOWING URBAN RESIDENTIAL AND THEN SOME OTHER RESIDENTIAL WHICH I'M ASSUMING ARE TOWNHOMES.
OKAY. THE GREEN AREA THERE JUST BEYOND HERE RIGHT NOW, IS THIS DEVELOPMENT TAKEN THE WHOLE URBAN RESIDENTIAL PARCEL IN THERE ON THE SOUTH OF THE DART TRANSIT CENTER? YES, THIS WOULD BE THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY MIXED USE AREA THEN.
CONCEIVABLY, YES, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I'M NOT SEEING THE COMMERCIAL USE IN THIS DESIGN.
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT USING THE FIRST FLOOR UNITS.
THEY'RE GOING TO RENT OUT THOSE UNITS.
ARE THEY GOING TO KICK PEOPLE OUT TO CONVERT THEM TO COMMERCIAL? HIGHLY UNLIKELY.
AND SO AND THE ONES AT THE END TOWARDS DART, THAT THOSE ARE THE ENDS OF THE BUILDING.
SO THAT LEAVES THE ONE SPINE ROAD ALONG THE EAST SIDE THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE TO THAT.
AND AGAIN, THE SAME ISSUE COMES IN.
ARE THEY GOING TO KICK PEOPLE OUT? OH, WE WANT TO PUT A PIZZA PARLOR IN HERE.
YOU'RE OUT OF HERE. AND NOT ONLY THAT, IN THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT 12 FOOT FIRST FLOORS, BUT THE EXTERIOR DESIGNS REALLY, WE HAVE STANDARDS FOR DOWNTOWN THAT REQUIRE A DEFINED FIRST FLOOR.
AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT HERE.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO DO RETAIL.
WE NEED TO DEFINE THAT FIRST FLOOR BETTER.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE COMMERCIAL BELOW AND APARTMENTS ABOVE INSTEAD OF ALL BEING APARTMENTS, BECAUSE THAT, AGAIN BELIEVES ME, LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT NOT ANY MIXED USE THAT'S BEING PUSHED IN THE NEXT PHASE.
THERE'S NO REAL INTENTION DESIGN WISE HERE TO PUT MIXED USE IN.
EXCEPT FOR WORD SAYING WE'VE GOT 12 FOOT CEILING FOR POSSIBLE FUTURE.
THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A MIXED USE.
TYPE FACILITY AND WE'RE GETTING THINK WE'D HAVE TWO SMALL RETAIL BUILDINGS.
BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU IF THIS GOES AWAY, IT IS AND IT'LL PASS TONIGHT.
I'M MOST LIKELY CERTAIN THAT THE COUNCIL THINK ABOUT THAT.
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AND THEN WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING THE FURTHER PHASES THAT WE THINK VERY HARD ABOUT THE MIXED USE.VERY HARD BECAUSE I WANT TO GET THAT MIXED USE IN THERE.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT A CONTRACTOR'S OFFICE WAREHOUSE BUILDING.
THERE IS A VET CLINIC TO THE WEST AND TO THE EAST IS UNDEVELOPED.
THERE IS A DART LINE TO THE SOUTH AND THE PROPERTY WAS DEVELOPED WITH THE BUILDING AND BACK IN 2017 IT WAS DEMOLISHED DUE TO A FIRE DAMAGE.
AND YOU PROBABLY CAN SEE THE FOUNDATION ON THE SITE.
THERE WAS AN SEP THAT WAS TIED IN AS PART OF ZERO 347.
BUT SINCE THE BUILDING IS NO LONGER THERE, THE SEP IS NO LONGER VALID.
THE TOP LEFT IS VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM SOUTH INTERNATIONAL ROAD.
TOP RIGHT IS EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
BOTTOM LEFT IS SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND BOTTOM RIGHT IS WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND HERE IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
AND IT SHOWS A 9355 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
THERE IS A TYPO IN THE REPORT, BUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 9355, ALL FOR THERE'S GOING TO BE A TOTAL OF 510 SPACES AND IT'LL BE FOR CONTRACTOR OFFICE, WAREHOUSE USE.
AND THE ACCESS WILL BE FROM FOREST LANE.
THERE'S ALSO A DRIVEWAY HERE TO THE EAST, AND THERE'S IT CAN BE ACCESSED FROM THERE AS WELL.
AND THE SITE PLAN DOES MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENT PER THE GDC.
HERE ARE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND IT COMPLIES WITH THE BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS.
OOPS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT TO PD ZERO 347 AND APPROVAL OF THE DETAIL PLAN FOR A CONTRACTOR'S OFFICE WAREHOUSE INDOOR ONLY USE. AND WE MAILED OUT 41 LETTERS AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES.
BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
YOU BET, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.
EXCEPT YOU SAW MY LETTER THIS MORNING.
HAVE YOU BROACHED THE APPLICANT ON THE IDEA AT ALL? I HAVE NOT. IF THE APPLICANTS HERE.
YOU KNOW, THIS USE WAS PRETTY WELL ELIMINATED BY THE PD.
AND I REALLY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH SOME OF IT BEING THE CONTRACTOR, OFFICE SPACE AND EVERYTHING.
THE VET OFFICE IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
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I WAS THINKING MAYBE THE SECTION FIRST 20% ALONG FOREST LANE MAY BE SOME KIND OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL USE.SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING FOR CONSIDERATION.
APPLICANT MAY HAVE SOME STUFF ON THAT AND I DIDN'T WANT TO JUST SURPRISE THEM WITH IT.
ALL RIGHTY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. UNLESS I CUT OFF THE AGENDA TO EARLY HERE, I THINK THAT'S OUR LAST ITEM.
SO WE'RE IN RECESS UNTIL 7:00.
[Call to Order]
GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE NOVEMBER 21ST MEETING OF THE GARLAND PLAN COMMISSION.IS THIS OUR CUSTOM? WE COMMISSIONERS START OUR MEETING WITH A PRAYER AND A PLEDGE.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW, WAY AFFECTS THE DECISIONS OF THE COUNCIL OR YOUR RIGHTS IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL.
TONIGHT'S PRAYER AND PLEDGE WILL BE LED BY COMMISSIONER OTT.
YOU CARE TO JOIN ME? HEAVENLY FATHER, PLEASE BE WITH THIS COMMISSION AND HELP US TO MAKE WISE CHOICES FOR OUR CITY AND FOR FOR OUR CITIZENS.
AS ALWAYS, A SPECIAL PRAYER FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS WITH FIRE AND POLICE AND AND EMS AND TRY.
ST WE PRAY ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN WHICH SHE SAYS ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALL RIGHTY. ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TONIGHT, IF YOU COULD GRAB ONE OF THE SPEAKER CARDS AND FILL IT OUT AND GIVE IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION SECRETARY, WE'D APPRECIATE IT. AND EXCUSE ME.
AND WHEN YOU COME UP, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS IN THE MICROPHONE.
EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE CARD, WE NEED IT ON THE RECORD.
AUDIO WISE, THE APPLICANTS WILL BE GIVEN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE.
OTHER SPEAKERS, WE ALLOW 3 MINUTES.
AND THEN THE APPLICANTS WILL BE ALLOWED TO COME BACK UP AND RESPOND AND CLOSE UP.
ALL RIGHTY. FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA.
I WILL READ THROUGH THE ITEMS AND ANY COMMISSIONER OR PERSON IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES AN ITEM REMOVED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, JUST LET ME KNOW AFTER I READ THEM AND THEN WE WILL HAVE SEPARATE HEARINGS ON THEM.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
ALL RIGHT. CONSENT AGENDA ITEM ONE A CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES FOR THE NOVEMBER 7TH, 2022 MEETING.ITEM TWO A PLAT 22 DASH 40 GARLAND HOUSING FINANCE CORP.
AND ITEM THREE, A IMPACT FEE REPORT.
ANYBODY WISH AN ITEM REMOVED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION SHALL ENTERTAIN MOTION FOR APPROVAL? MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER JENKINS.
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS.
A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DALTON TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
COMMISSIONER JENKINS. I GOT HIM.
YOU GOT HIM. AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY ON TO OUR ZONING CASES.
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FIRST ONE IS A TWO PARTER FOR A AND FOUR B FOR A CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION OF GOLDEN FRANCHISING CORP CORP REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR A RESTAURANT DRIVE THRU ON A PROPERTY ZONED COMMUNITY RETAIL.THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 6102 NORTH JUPITER ROAD AND ITEM FOUR B CONSIDERATION THE APPLICATION OF GOLDEN FRANCHISE AND CORPORATION REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A PLAN FOR A DRIVE FOR A RESTAURANT DRIVE THRU ON PROPERTY ZONED COMMUNITY RETAIL.
SAME ADDRESS IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND IF YOU FEEL FILL OUT A CAR.
OH, WE GOT SOME CARDS OVER HERE.
HIGH MARK PARMALEE 1131 ROCKINGHAM RICHARDSON 75080.
I HAVE BEEN BEFORE P AND Z AND CITY COUNCIL SEVERAL TIMES.
I OWN AND PRESIDENT OF GOLDEN CHICK FOR THE LAST 33 YEARS.
I MIGHT HAVE EVEN HAD HAIR THE FIRST TIME I CAME HERE.
SO. BUT WE'VE GOT 209 STORES, MOSTLY IN TEXAS AND ALMOST HALF OF THEM IN THE DALLAS-FORT WORTH
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T V AREA.THIS WOULD BE THE FIFTH, AND WE'VE GOT ANOTHER SPOT WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO BE HERE.
THE IN THE PRE MEETING I KNOW THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED AND I'M YOU KNOW I'M IF YOU WANT TO RE-ASK OR I CAN JUST ADDRESS THEM IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME.
AND SO I ASKED HIM IF HE WAS HERE TO YELL AT ME.
HE'S A NICE GUY AND WE'VE HAD A PLEASANT CONVERSATION.
AND IT'S OUR GOAL TO TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
I MEAN, WE OUR HEADQUARTERS IS IN RICHARDSON AND WE'RE BIG ENOUGH TO HAVE SOME PURCHASING POWER AND SOME MARKETING CLOUT, BUT WE'RE SMALL ENOUGH THAT THE OWNER OF THE CHAIN IS HERE BEFORE YOU.
SO. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, DO YOU WANT TO YOU YOU JUST WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS AND.
OH, SURE. I'LL SEE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.
OTHERWISE, I WILL KIND OF REITERATE.
OKAY. STUFF ANYTHING COMMISSIONERS.
COMMISSIONER ROSE, WHAT'S YOUR TIMING ON THIS? IF THIS ALL GETS APPROVED AND THE COUNCIL APPROVES IT, WHAT'S YOUR TIMING? WELL, WE'VE WE ALREADY OWNED THE PROPERTY, SO THAT PIECE OF IT IS OKAY.
AND WE ALREADY HAVE FINANCING THROUGH A GARLAND BANK, I MAY ADD.
AND I GUESS WE WOULD I MEAN, WE WOULD DO OUR NORMAL PROCESS OF BIDS AND IT'S NOT OUR TYPICAL LOCATION. MOST OF OUR STORES HAVE A DINING ROOM, BUT THIS IS A VERY SMALL LOT.
AND SO THIS IS A DRIVE THRU ONLY LOCATION AND SOMEBODY COULD STOP AND GO AND THERE WILL BE A PICKUP WINDOW FOR BOTH CUSTOMERS AND AND THIRD PARTY DELIVERY PROVIDERS.
SO AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, REALLY.
TIMELINE GOES WELL IF YOU'LL COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND FILL OUT A CARD LATER.
I'LL LET THE SMART GUY TAKE OVER.
NOW THEY KNOW I DO HAVE YOUR CARD ALREADY.
AND MY QUESTIONS AROSE OUT OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE CITIZENS.
ONE WAS THE VEGETATION AT THE EXISTING WALL DIVIDING OFF FROM THE SUBDIVISION.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING FOUR TREES IN.
YEAH. AND YOU'RE YOU'RE REFERRING TO WHAT WOULD BE THE END OF OUR ALLOTTED BE THE EAST BOUNDARY.
SO THERE IS A HOUSE RIGHT BEHIND THIS.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE'S HERE FROM THE GLADNEY FAMILY AND HE.
YEAH. WELL, IF THEY'RE HERE THEY'LL, THEY'LL SPEAK UP.
YEAH. THEY, THEY HAVE THESE TWO TREES GO LIKE THAT AND THERE IS A SECOND FLOOR NICE MASS OF WINDOWS AND IF I WAS THEM I'D WANT IT SCREEN TOO.
BUT IT, THERE ARE THESE TREES ON OUR SIDE.
THERE IS A SIX FOOT WALL, THERE'S SOME TREES ON THEIR SIDE, THERE'S AN ALLEY.
AND THEN I'M I HAD HEARD THAT THERE WAS A SUGGESTION ABOUT PUTTING LIVE OAKS THERE, BUT LIVE OAKS ARE REALLY SLOW GROWER. SO I MEAN, THAT'D BE MOST FOLKS WOULD BE DEAD AND GONE BY THE TIME IT GOT UP HIGH ENOUGH TO COVER THAT WINDOW.
BUT BASED ON EXPERIENCE I WOULD NORMALLY PROBABLY DO AN ITALIAN CYPRESS, BUT THEY COME TO A POINT.
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I THINK WE'D BE BETTER OFF DOING A MAGNOLIA OF A OF A DECENT SIZE AND PUT THAT POSITION THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE EVERGREEN AND THAT WOULD BLOCK THAT WINDOW ALL YEAR ROUND.ANOTHER APPARENTLY THERE'S AN ISSUE OUT THERE ALREADY.
NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU ALL ABOUT TRASH FROM THE SONIC BLOWING OVER AND INTO THE CREEK.
AND THE CITIZEN ASKED IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY KIND OF FENCING THERE.
SO YOU'LL PROBABLY BE PUTTING A RAILING OR A FENCE UP THERE ANYHOW.
YEAH. MY UNDERSTANDING IS ABOVE THE PAVEMENT THERE'S 32 INCHES, SO MOST OF THE TRASH TENDS TO BLOW ACROSS THE THE SURFACE.
IF WE NEEDED TO PUT IN A CHAIN LINK IN THERE, THAT'S I MEAN IT'S A SMALL LOT.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT MUCH.
BUT OUR AGAIN IS A DRIVE THROUGH ONLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE TRASH BECAUSE TRASH IS GOING TO END UP IN SOMEBODY'S CAR OR OR IN THEIR KITCHEN AS THEY TAKE HOME THE FOOD TO EAT.
SO I THINK WHAT HAPPENS AT SONIC AND WE BUILT NEXT TO A LOT OF SONICS IN OUR TIME AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PEOPLE IN THE STALLS, SOME OF THEM, YOU KNOW, THROW THE THROW THE TRASH OUT.
AND IF IT BLOWS ONTO OUR PROPERTY WHEN WE WE POLICE OUR LOTS, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY.
SO SONIC'S TRASH WILL BECOME OUR TRASH INSTEAD OF THE CREEK'S TRASH.
SO, YEAH, AND THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT COOKING ODORS.
AND I IMAGINE YOU TRY TO KEEP THAT DOWN.
YEAH. AND WE FACE THAT BEFORE.
WE CHANGE OUT OUR SHORTENING IT PRETTY GOOD EXPENSE.
BUT EVERY WEEK AND WE HAVE A PROCESS AND WE HAVE INSPECTIONS, THIS WILL HAPPEN TO BE A COMPANY STORE, AS IS THE ONE FURTHER DOWN ON JUPITER.
BUT WE ALSO GET INSPECTED BY ECO LABS.
WE RETAIN THEM TO DO INSPECTIONS ON A VERY REGULAR BASIS.
AND AND JUST FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THE STAFF ADDRESS THE QUESTION ABOUT LIGHTING.
IF THERE WOULD BE A BUNCH OF LIGHTING BACK THERE, THERE WILL BE LIGHTING.
BUT A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN HAS BEEN FORWARDED THAT SHOWS LIGHTING DOESN'T GO BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE AND SHIELDED FIXTURES WILL BE USED THAT PREVENT THE LIGHT BULB FROM BEING SEEN DIRECTLY.
YEAH, AND I'LL COMMIT TO IF WE GET IT ALL DONE AND SOMEONE STILL HAS AN ISSUE, WE'LL LOOK AT IT AGAIN, JUST LIKE WE DID IN A PROJECT WE HAD IN ROWLETT. IT WAS ALL APPROVED, BUT A NEIGHBOR DIRECTLY BEHIND US HAD AN ISSUE, SO WE WE MADE MODIFICATIONS TO THE LIGHTING.
AND YOU MAY EVEN LOOK AT DIMMING THE MENU BOARDS AT NIGHT.
WELL, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS IF I CAN BE DESCRIPTIVE WITH MY HANDS AND THINK ABOUT THE DIRECTIONS.
SO THE MENU BOARD WOULD TYPICALLY BE ON OUR EAST SIDE, WELL, THAT GOES RIGHT INTO THE HOMES.
SO THE MENU BOARD IN THIS IS LOCATED.
YEAH. SO THE BOTH THE LIGHT AND THE SOUND WILL BE HEADED IN THAT DIRECTION.
ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE A STEP AHEAD OF ME.
I THINK THAT'S ALL THE CONCERNS I'VE READ ABOUT.
OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? COMMISSIONER JENKINS? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THAT IS CERTAIN. CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO TO US AND TO THE CITY.
THE FIRST, I'VE HEARD A CONCERN REGARDING TRASH AND HOW THERE IS AN EXPECTATION THAT BECAUSE YOU ALL DO NOT HAVE ANY SIT DOWN SEATS, THAT THE TRASH LIKELY WOULD BE KEPT TO A MINIMUM.
BUT AS I'M LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN, I DON'T SEE ANY RECEPTACLES ACTUALLY IN THE PARKING LOT AREA.
WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN KIND OF MAKING AN INFORMAL COMMITMENT TO THIS IDEA THAT THE TRASH WILL BE MAINTAINED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER? YES. AND NORMALLY AND I'M PRETTY CERTAIN IT WOULD HAPPEN HERE AT THE DRIVE THRU WINDOW.
WE TYPICALLY HAVE A RECEPTACLE IN CASE A CUSTOMER HAS TRASH FROM A PREVIOUS VISIT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
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IMMEDIATELY TO YOUR LEFT BEFORE YOU'VE EXITED, THERE IS A RECEPTACLE BIN THERE AS WELL.YEAH. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
I PROBABLY TRANSCRIBE IT VERY WELL.
THE SECOND QUESTION IS IF THERE IS A THERE SEEMS TO BE MISUNDERSTANDING THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, THAT YOU WOULD NOT CARE ABOUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING WITH SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE GREATLY CONCERNED OR DISTRESSED REGARDING THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN FACILITATING THAT PARTICULAR IDEA? ABSOLUTELY. I CAN TELL YOU OF SEVERAL TOWN HALLS AND I'LL TRY TO GO VERY QUICKLY.
IT WAS A CITY, NOT NOT GARLAND, A DIFFERENT CITY THAT TOLD ME THERE WERE NO RESIDENT COMMENTS AND I DIDN'T NEED TO COME, BUT I DECIDED TO.
ANYWAY. TURNED OUT THERE WAS AN ANGRY MOB OF ABOUT 25 PEOPLE.
SO I ASK THAT WE TABLE IT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING SO I CAN HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK TO THEM.
AND I, I FOUND THE THE NEIGHBOR THAT HAD REALLY ORGANIZED ALL OF THIS, AND I ASKED IF SHE WOULD HOST A PARTY AT HER HOUSE AND I'D BRING CHICKEN.
AND SHE SAYS, WELL, WHAT YOU DO THAT? I SAID, WELL, OF COURSE WE WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND WE WANT YOU GUYS TO BE CUSTOMERS.
WE DON'T WANT OUR POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS TO BE MAD.
SO STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED A POSITIVE FOR OUR OUR PROJECT.
BUT AFTER THE ANGRY MOB, THEN WHEN I SHOWED UP THE NEXT TIME THEY RECOMMENDED AGAINST IT, BUT THE ANGRY MOB CAME DOWN ONE AFTER ONE AND SAID, NO, NO, NO, THESE ARE OKAY FOLKS. WE WE REALLY WANT IT PASSED.
AND IT PASSED. SO AND I'VE DONE THAT.
ONE OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS OF CITY OF DALLAS ASK THAT I ATTEND BASICALLY DO A TOWN HALL MEETING. AND AND WE DID.
AND IT WAS REALLY VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE THEN WHEN WE OPENED THE RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, I PROMISED EXTRA LANDSCAPING AND AND A LOT OF THINGS AND PEOPLE CAME IN AND SAID, OH, HEY, I REMEMBER YOU AND YOU DID WHAT YOU SAID.
I THOUGHT, WELL, THAT'S KIND OF WEIRD.
BUT ANYWAY, AGAIN, IT'S JUST WE'RE NOT THE BIGGEST NAME.
WE'RE NOT A CHICK FIL A OR KFC AND CAN AFFORD LOTS AND LOTS OF MARKETING.
THANK YOU. I SEE NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT. I SHOULD HAVE SPOTTED ON THE SITE PLAN MENU BOARD DOES FACE NORTH.
WE NEED TO GET THE ADDRESS FROM THE LADY SPEAKER.
IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
YEAH, I'VE GOT ON THE CARD, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE IT ON AUDIO RECORDING.
I HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS IN.
YES, I'M THE MY NAME IS CRAIG HASTINGS, THE PROPERTY OWNER NEXT TO THE PROPOSED GOLDEN CHECK.
IT'S THREE, 218 WEST CAMPBELL ROAD.
THE PROPERTY ADDRESS THAT IT'S NEXT TO IS 32304 WEST CAMPBELL ROAD.
SO OKAY, SO THERE'S I HAVE QUITE A FEW PROBLEMS WITH THIS TRASH AS FAR AS THE SIGNAGE GOES IN HISTORY OF THE SONIC AND TRYING TO CONTAIN ALL THAT THAT GOES DOWN INTO THE CREEK.
SO THE I HAVE BEEN THE LAST TEN YEARS FIGHTING TRASH FROM SONIC AND OFF OF THOSE LOTS CONTINUOUSLY.
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AND THEY SEEM TO ASSUME THAT I'M THE ONE THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LITTER.SO OF COURSE THEY GET ON ME ABOUT IT AND THEN THEN I HAVE TO DEAL WITH THOSE ISSUES.
I UNDERSTAND THE THREE FOOT RETAINING WALL.
THE PROBLEM THAT I SEE IS THAT THE DUMPSTER IS LOCATED ON THE CREEK SIDE.
AND IT'S GOING TO GO RIGHT DOWN INTO THE CREEK.
AND THEN NOW I'LL HAVE SONIC CUPS GOING DOWN AND THEN ALL GOLDEN CHICK CUPS GOING DOWN.
SO CONSEQUENTLY, THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH THE TRASH.
THE OTHER PROBLEM, TOO, IS IT'S A WOODED CREEK.
AND MOST OF THE CITIZENS THAT ARE ADJOINING THAT CREEK WANT THE CREEK TO STAY JUST THE WAY IT IS.
SO I BELIEVE THAT HAVING THE DUMPSTER OVER THERE IS GOING TO CREATE MORE RODENT ISSUES.
NOW, THE PROBLEM WITH RODENT ISSUES IS MOST OF THE TIME WHAT HAPPENS IS PEOPLE POISON THEM.
AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE HAVE BIRDS EAT CONTAMINATED RODENTS.
SO THAT PUTS AN ISSUE THERE THAT WE CAN HAVE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT.
NOW, THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT THE CURRENT LAYOUT ACTUALLY TAKES UP ABOUT TEN FEET OF MY PROPERTY, WHICH OF COURSE, WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING A LITTLE BIT AGO, AND THAT WE'LL HAVE TO WORK OUT ON THE ISSUES HOW THAT WORKS.
THE ADDITION, TOO, IS THAT THIS WHOLE LOT AND IT'S A SMALL LOT, IT'S ONLY 94 FEET DEEP OR WIDE, OKAY? IT'S GOING TO BE PAVED FROM CORNER TO CORNER.
OKAY. SO THE STORMWATER RUNOFF IS BASICALLY GOING TO BECOME MY PROBLEM.
AND YOU CAN SEE BY THEIR DRAWINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DUMP THAT WATER RIGHT INTO THE CREEK.
AND SO I'M GOING TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF WATER THAT MY CREEK HAS TO DEAL WITH.
PLUS THIS IS GOING TO HAVE GREASE TRAPS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
IF THEY'RE NOT MAINTAINED, OF COURSE, IT'S GOING TO GO RIGHT INTO THE WATERWAY.
AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE WATERWAY GOES, GOES RIGHT DOWN IN MY POND.
IT GOES RIGHT OUT OF THE POND INTO ROWLETT CREEK AND DOWN IN THE LAKE.
OKAY. SO THAT'S THE ISSUES I HAVE AS FAR AS TRASH GOES.
SO I REALLY YOU KNOW, I'M KIND OF UNDERSTANDING WHY WE DON'T HAVE A SETBACK THERE.
OKAY. NOW, THE NEXT THING THAT I HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IS THE WHEN THAT WHEN THAT SHOPPING CENTER WAS DESIGNED, IT WAS DESIGNED WITH LIMITED ACCESS.
IT FEEDS OVER TO THE AUTOZONE FEEDS TO THE SONIC AND WHATEVER THE POTENTIAL LOT WAS.
NOW THEY'RE GOING TO PUT ANOTHER ENTRANCE IN OFF OF JUPITER ROAD.
WE COULD ALL AGREE JUPITER ROAD IS A VERY HEAVILY USED ROAD.
OKAY. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE TURN IN FROM THE JUPITER ROAD, DO YOU GUYS DOES EVERYBODY HAVE A PICTURE? YEAH. OKAY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT TURN IN, THAT TURN IN SITS RIGHT NEXT TO THE BUS STOP.
OKAY, SO THERE'S A RETAINING WALL, WHICH IS THE THE GUARDRAIL FOR THE BRIDGE.
SO AS FAR AS COMING DOWN JUPITER.
PLUS, AS I'VE EXPERIENCED WITH THE GOLDEN CHICK THAT'S LOCATED NEXT TO HOME DEPOT.
THEY ROUTINELY FILL THAT PARKING LOT WITH THE DRIVE UP WINDOW OUT INTO THE STREET AND THEY BLOCK THE HOME DEPOT ENTRANCE ON BOTH SIDES TRYING TO GET INTO THE DRIVEWAY.
SO I NEED TO KNOW HOW AND WHAT PRECAUTIONS THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
OKAY. IF YOU COULD SUM UP, PLEASE.
I'M SORRY, IF YOU COULD SUM IT SOME UP.
OH, SO SO ANYWAY, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A GOLDEN CHICK.
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I'M JUST OPPOSED THAT IT APPEARS THAT THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN REALLY MISSED IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND I THINK IT REALLY NEEDS TO GO BACK TO REVIEW AND REALLY LOOK AT THE ISSUES OF HAVING THIS SITE PUT IN THE WAY IT'S PUT IN.THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS, COMMISSIONER JENKINS, THAT I'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU FOR? YES, SIR. FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.
SURE. SO THE FIRST CONCERN I HEARD YOU MENTIONED IS THAT TO THE SOUTH, THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND LIKE I SAY, REMEMBER, THIS LOT IS ONLY 94 FEET.
OKAY. SO IT'S ACTUALLY TEN FEET OVER ONTO MY PROPERTY IS WHERE THEY'VE ACTUALLY COME IN AND FLAGGED AND LAID OUT THE PICTURES AND SHOWING YOU THE PICTURES, YOU KNOW, SHOWING YOU THE THE DEPTH OF THE LOT.
THAT IS NOT A TRUE DEPTH OF THAT LAW.
AND I PRESUME THAT YOU AND THE APPLICANT HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIND A MIDDLE GROUND ON THAT SO THAT THE PLANS THAT WE SEE NOW ARE THE APPROPRIATE PLANS THAT THE APPLICANT GETS TO EMPLOY.
THERE THERE'LL BE NO ADDITIONAL REVISION OF THE PLANS THAT ARE SUBMITTED NOW.
THAT'S ACTUALLY AT 100, ABOUT 110 FEET APPROXIMATELY.
BUT THE REAL DEAL IS, IS THAT THIS LAW IS REALLY TOO SMALL FOR WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO.
REGARDING THE THE THE TURN IN ISSUE OFF OF JUPITER ROAD, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMEND A TURN IN LANE FROM JUPITER ROAD? WELL, I WOULD SAY TO REMOVE THAT TURN IN AND USE THE EXISTING TURN IN AS IT WAS BUILT AND ORIGINALLY DESIGNED.
OKAY. THANK YOU. IT'S THE THE ORIGINAL TURN IN LANE IS REALLY WIDE AND RIGHT NOW IT TURNS IN FOR THE AUTOZONE AND FOR THE SONIC RESTAURANT.
AND THEN IT HAS A CUT THROUGH THE SONIC FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAT TO GO INTO THAT CORNER LOT.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKER? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN.
I HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKER CARDS.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHES TO SPEAK IN THIS CASE? SEEN UP? MATTHEW THOMAS 2507 HEATHER GLENN COURT IN COLLEGEVILLE.
YOUR NEEDED, HUH? I'M THE CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT.
I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS A CONCERN ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY.
SO HE HAS GIVEN US AN APPROVAL FOR THAT.
OKAY. AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE SURVEY IS CORRECT.
IT'S 94 FEET AND ALL OUR EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE PROPERTY.
AND YES, THERE IS NO BUFFER, BUT WE ARE BUILDING A RETAINING WALL THERE AND TRY AND SAVE ALL THE TREES THAT WE CAN THAT MAY BE JUST BEYOND OUR PROPERTY.
AND IN CASE THAT DOESN'T HAVE HAPPEN, WE WILL MITIGATE THAT.
THAT'S ALL WE CAN PROMISE AT THIS TIME.
I MEAN, AND AND WILL HAS ACTUALLY ASKED ME ABOUT THE TREES.
AND I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THEM, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW.
DURING CONSTRUCTION, A COUPLE MAY DIE OR SOMETHING.
SO DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, PLEASE? I SEE NONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING UP.
OKAY. I'LL ASK AGAIN IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE SEEING NONE.
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OKAY. SEE YOU, GENTLEMEN.I'M ALSO REPRESENTING 3204 WEST CAMPBELL ROAD.
THEY SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING PROVIDED THE RETAINING WALL, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THERE'S THE COTTONWOOD CON OR SORRY, NOT THE COTTONWOOD, THE CEDAR OWL AND THE PECAN AND ONE OTHER TREE.
IT'S ESCAPING ME AT THE MOMENT.
THE RETAINING WALL GOES DIRECTLY THROUGH THE CRITICAL ROOT ZONE.
AND IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING, IT'S NOT EXACTLY TO SCALE FOR THE TREES THAT ARE OFF ONTO OUR PROPERTY, BUT THE RETAINING WALL WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE TOUCHING THE TRUNK.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY CHANCE OF CONSTRUCTING THAT RETAINING WALL AND SAVING THOSE TREES.
SO I'M NECESSARILY CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE.
I ALSO SEE THAT THE DRAWING CALLS FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A LARGER DRAINAGE PATH THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF OUR PROPERTY AND THE INSTALLATION OF STORM DRAIN CULVERTS OR A STORMWATER HEAD THAT GOES THROUGH A ROW OF PROTECTED TREES AS WELL, WHICH CURRENTLY LINE THE ENTIRE EMBANKMENT. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A CONSIDERABLE LOSS OF TREES NO MATTER HOW THEY PLAN THIS.
I ALSO HAVE SOME PERSONAL CONCERNS THAT THE ENTIRETY OF THE STORMWATER PLANNING APPEARS TO BE TO BUILD A DRAIN THROUGH OUR PROPERTY SO THAT IT CAN BE MITIGATED DIRECTLY INTO THE CREEK.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF THAT WAS ADDRESSED ANYWHERE.
AND IN FACT IN THE PROPOSED DRAWINGS IT SAYS IT WOULD BE DONE AT SOME LATER DATE THROUGH AN UNDETERMINED EASEMENT THAT IS NOT BEING ADDRESSED CURRENTLY AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLANS TO CONSTRUCT IT.
AND FOR A ZONING CASE, WE TYPICALLY DO NOT REQUIRE THAT 100% OF THE ENGINEERING BE DONE.
BUT WHEN THE LOT IS OVER 90% PAVED, I THINK IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT THE PLANNING WAS TO MAKE IT SOMEONE ELSE'S PROBLEM, UNFORTUNATELY.
YEAH, WELL, TYPICALLY THE RULE OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT GOES BY IS YOU CANNOT DRAIN ANY MORE ON AN EXISTING PROPERTY MORE THAN IT WOULD NORMALLY HAVE. AND I IMAGINE THAT WHOLE LOT DRAINS ONTO YOUR PROPERTY NOW.
AND SO THEY HAVE TO IN OUR ENGINEERING, OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WILL GO THROUGH A HARDSCAPE.
AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK WELL, IF IT DOESN'T WORK, IT'LL CAUSE DAMAGE TO THE BANK.
THEN OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WON'T APPROVE IT.
AM I CORRECT ON THAT, MR. GARRETT? BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THERE, DONE THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE LAST NOTE OF MITIGATION.
SURE. TURNS ON THE TRASH AS WELL.
THE SOUND RETAINING WALL ALONG THE BACK THAT IS NOT FLUSH.
SO IF THERE'S MITIGATION, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, YES, PROBABLY IS.
BUT IT STILL NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN SOME WAY.
OKAY. YEAH, MAYBE EVEN SOME SCREENING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE WALL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN.
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BEFORE YOU DO, I'M GOING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE.APPLICANT CAN COME BACK UP AND ADDRESS ANY OF THE ISSUES TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF STORMWATER RUNOFF.
EMPLOYED A HYDROLOGY ENGINEER AND DID THE CREEK STUDY ANALYSIS PRE AND POST.
AND WE DON'T CONTRIBUTE TO ANY WATER SURFACE ELEVATIONS.
SO WE HAVE THE REPORT AND IT WAS ACTUALLY PRESENTED TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
OKAY. DID THE APPLICANT WANT TO COME BACK UP AND ADDRESS ANYTHING ELSE? NO. NO, SIR.
SORRY. KELLY HANCOCK AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE SURVEY AS WELL ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, THE CONCERNS THAT IT WAS GOING OVER THE 94 FEET THAT OUR PROPERTY IS, AND WITH THE PROPERTY AS IT'S PLATTED AND AS IT'S SURVEYED, IS THAT 94, APPROXIMATELY 94 IN WIDTH.
THE SURVEYORS ARE GOING TO LOOK AT OTHER TREES IN THE AREA THAT GO A LITTLE BIT BEYOND THAT AND EXTEND A LITTLE BIT BEYOND THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN CONSIDER THE MITIGATION THAT HAPPENS IN THAT AREA.
SO IF THEY'RE SEEING SOME FLAGS OUT THERE OR SOMETHING THAT IS MARKED ON THE TREE THAT EXTENDS BEYOND THAT 94 FEET, IT'S JUST LIKELY FOR THE DRAINAGE AND THE LAND TO DOCUMENT THAT.
OKAY, SO THOSE MIGHT BE THE FLAGS THAT THEY WERE REFERRING TO AS SURVEYORS AND THE PHOTOGRAPHS.
ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? RESPONSE FROM THE APPLICANT.
OKAY. I BELIEVE WE'VE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY.
SO MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING OR ANYTHING ELSE.
COMMISSIONER ROZIER, YOU'RE LIVE.
I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE ITEMS FOUR A AND FOUR B.
SECOND ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ROSE IN A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS TO PROVE FOR AND FOR B I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ANY ANY DISCUSSION.
MR.. WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? COMMISSIONER JENKINS. YES, SORRY.
I SHOULD HAVE LOOKED AT THE BOARD.
AS A THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AS A RECOMMENDING BODY, WE HAVE, OF COURSE, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION WHAT IS THE BEST USE OF THE LAND? THE UNDERLYING ZONING OF THE LAND IS COMMUNITY RETAIL.
SO THE LAND IS ZONED FOR THIS APPROPRIATE USE AS SUCH.
AND WITH THE PLAN PRESENTED, I WOULD ALSO AGREE THAT APPROVAL SEEMS LIKE THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION.
HOWEVER, I WOULD WONDER IF THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY TO AMELIORATE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE OUTSTANDING BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY, BETWEEN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY MEMBERS, AND THE ISSUES THAT MAY IMPACT THEIR LAND IN AN EFFORT TO, OF COURSE, HAVE THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT AS WE SEEK APPROVAL OF THE PROCESS.
AND THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT ON THAT.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BOTH ITEMS A AND B AS PRESENTED.
EVERYBODY'S IN. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[4C. Consideration of the application of Winkelmann & Associates, Inc., requesting approval of a Detail Plan for Multi-family/Mixed-use development. This item may include amendments to Planned Development (PD) District 22-25. This property is located at 6302 Greenbelt Parkway. (District 4) (File Z 22-51 – Detail Plan)]
THIS ITEM MAY INCLUDE AMENDMENTS TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT.THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED 6302 GREEN PARKWAY AND HAVE A COUPLE OF CARDS HERE FROM MR. FRANKFORT AND TREY ROBINSON.
EITHER ONE. IF YOU CARE TO SPEAK.
ROSS FRANKFURT 13 101 PRESTON ROAD.
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DALLAS, TEXAS. 5240.WE ARE THE MASTER DEVELOPER OF THIS POTENTIAL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO WE JUST WANTED TO DO A SHORT PRESENTATION.
YES. THANK YOU. I THINK I'M A MAC PERSON.
HERE WE GO. FULL SCREEN. BEAUTIFUL.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M HERE. AWESOME.
WAL MART WOULD NOT SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY, SO WE'RE GOING TO PURCHASE THE WHOLE PROPERTY.
SO WE'LL BE LEFT WITH THE PARCELS, WHICH WILL BE LOTS, I THINK TWO AND THREE ON THE SITE PLAN.
THIS WOULD BE LOST BY 30 WHICH WOULD BE A THIS ABOUT US REAL QUICK.
THEN THERE'S SOME KEY ELEMENTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE CITY STAFF FOR QUITE A WHILE ON THIS.
THERE'S A LOT OF POWERS THAT BE SINCE IT'S OWNED BY WAL MART AND OBVIOUSLY THE CITY, THIS IS A VERY KEY AND SENSITIVE PIECE OF PROPERTY BEING A GREENFIELD SITE.
AND SO LONG STORY SHORT, HERE WE ARE.
THIS 10.3 ACRES IS THE MIXED USE SUBDISTRICT TO LOCATION OF WHAT'S IN THE PD NOW.
THEIR PROCESS IS A LITTLE BIT LENGTHIER AND SLOWER SINCE IT'S A BIG PUBLIC PUBLIC GROUP.
SO THIS WILL BE HOPEFULLY THE FIRST PHASE OF MULTIPLE PHASE.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IT'S DESIGNED AND BUILT TO BE CONVERTIBLE LATER TO THE CITY STANDARDS FOR THE HEIGHTS REQUIRED FOR COMMERCIAL RETAIL AND ALSO FOR THE FIRE SEPARATIONS, WHICH WE WILL DO WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS.
AND THEN WE WORKED WITH STAFF TO GIVE THOSE PRIVATE PATIOS ON THE FRONT.
AND SO TO KIND OF SHOW THE GROWTH OF THIS THIS PLAN HERE.
SO HERE YOU'VE GOT THIS IS PULLED OUT OF 20 TO 25.
SO WE ARE NOT THIS IS ALL THE DART LAND UP HERE IN AREA THREE.
WE WOULD BE ULTIMATELY THE OWNERS AND THE DEVELOPERS OF SUBDISTRICTS ONE AND TWO.
THIS IS PREFERRED SCENARIO AS PULLED OUT OF THE 20 TO 25.
THAT WAS KIND OF THE PRECIPICE FOR 20 TO 25.
AND SO THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR URBAN RESIDENTIAL.
I'VE GOT A LARGER SITE PLAN HERE SO YOU ALL CAN SEE HERE IN A LITTLE BIT.
BUT THIS WE'RE GOING TO INSTALL THIS NORTH-SOUTH CONNECTOR THAT WILL CONNECT TO ULTIMATELY WHEN DART DOES THEIR REDEVELOPMENT HERE TO ALLOW THIS KIND OF RUN ALL THE WAY TO DUCK CREEK. AND THEN THIS, WE BELIEVE IN VIEW AS KIND OF OUR FOCAL POINT, WHICH IS GOING TO BE THE KIND OF NORTH SOUTH PROMENADE.
AND SO, AS NATHANIEL SAID EARLIER, THAT'S GOT OVERSIZE SIDEWALKS AND IT'S GOT THE PATIO SPACE.
AND SO HERE'S A COUPLE THIS IS LOOKING DOWN THAT NORTH SOUTH PROMENADE.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT HERE'S A CROSS SECTION OF THE SIDEWALK.
SO YOU'VE GOT SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS.
AND WE DID THE DOUBLE LINED OR THE DOUBLE LANDSCAPE LINED SIDEWALKS AS YOU'RE WALKING DOWN.
AND THEN THIS IS A EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK THAT IS ON GREENBELT.
AND SO IT'D BE AN EXPANSION OF EXISTING SIX FOOT SIDEWALK THAT WOULD THEN RUN NORTH, SOUTH AND THEN.
AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT AND KIND OF WALKABILITY AND TRANSIT FEEL OF IT.
WE ARE. AND THERE'S ANOTHER SITE PLAN HERE TO KIND OF ILLUSTRATE AS WELL.
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AND IT WAS KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH, A DISCUSSION.AND SO WE'LL HAVE A TEN FOOT BIKE PATH THAT WILL CONNECT TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT WILL BE KIND OF A PARK BIKE PATH FEATURE THAT WILL BUFFER BETWEEN THE DART DEVELOPMENT IN OUR DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO COMMUNITY AMENITIES, THIS IS MARKET RATE.
SO YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY GOT THE WALKABILITY, AS WE'VE ILLUSTRATED, THE TWO RESORT STYLE POOLS, 24 HOUR FITNESS CENTER, PECK PARK AND PET SPA, SKY LOUNGE, SO ON ACTUALLY KIND OF SEE RIGHT THERE.
BUT UP ON THE HIGHER FLOOR OF BUILDING A SINCE YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE REMOTE WORKING NOW THESE DAYS, THERE'S JUST A PLACE FOR SOMEBODY TO GO, YOU KNOW, PLUG IN THEIR COMPUTER OR GET ON WI FI.
AND SO THESE ARE A COUPLE OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'VE DONE TO SHOW SOME DIFFERENT SCHEMES.
THE KIND OF TWO TONED INTERIOR SCHEME IS REALLY KIND OF MORE POPULAR THESE DAYS.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT WE'LL BE GOING WITH HERE.
SO THERE'S THE KIND OF OVERALL TO SHOW IT OVERLAID ON THERE.
SO THIS IS PULLED FROM THE PD 2225 AND THE KIMLEY-HORN REPORT.
AND SO WE ARE CONSTRUCTING THIS EAST WEST TEN FOOT BIKE PATH.
THIS IS THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL MODULE HERE.
WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE ROAD UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND STUB IT OUT.
SO WE'LL ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT IT AND DEAD END IT SO THAT EVENTUALLY THEY CAN BE CONNECTED TO.
AND SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE FOR US AS WELL.
AND I KNOW THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE TO THE CITY AS WELL OF WHAT ULTIMATELY GOES THERE.
AND SO WE HAVE A BIG VESTED INTEREST BEING THE DEVELOPERS OF THIS TEN ACRE PIECE OF WHAT GOES HERE.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A REALLY QUALITY DEVELOPMENT AND USE THAT GOES THERE.
AND SO THEN THERE'S SOME MORE RENDERS.
THIS IS THE OVERALL THIS IS INTERSTATE 30.
THIS IS DUCK CREEK TRAIL RIGHT HERE, ONE OF TWO POOLS.
THIS IS YOUR LEASING CENTER AS IT IS NOW.
AND THEN THERE'S THE SKYLINE ACTUALLY UP THERE AS WELL.
THIS IS ONE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT'S ON THE PROMENADE.
AND WE TRY TO BOTH LISTEN TO AND FROM THE STAFF AND ALSO LOOK AT EXAMPLES OF OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE IN GARLAND TO TRY TO SEE WHERE OTHER PLACES DID FLEX SPACE, KIND OF CONVERTIBLE SPACE ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
AND THEN THIS IS THE VIEW AGAIN, LOOKING DOWN THE PROMENADE, THIS IS YOUR VIEW OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE UP ON GREENBELT AND THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR BIKE TRAIL CONNECTION PIECE THERE. AND THIS IS THE TRAIL ITSELF.
AND AS YOU'RE GOING TOWARDS THE WAL MART THERE.
AND SO WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL MAY HAVE.
ALL RIGHTY. ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER DALTON AND COMMISSIONER OTT.
AND SO WE'RE TALKING TO HOSPITALITY USERS FOR IT'D BE A LOT TO SO THAT'D BE THIS PIECE RIGHT HERE.
AND WE'RE TALKING TO RETAIL AND RESTAURANT USERS TO GO ON LOT THREE.
AND SO WE'RE THE MARKET IS RIGHT NOW THERE'S KIND OF TWO PIECES AT PLAY.
WE REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE VIEW THESE AS AMENITIES TO THE HUNDREDS OF RESIDENTS THAT LIVE HERE.
AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S THE RIGHT USER.
SO WE'RE TALKING TO GROUPS RIGHT NOW.
AND SO A LOT OF THESE RETAIL USERS HAVE SHOWN MORE INTEREST ONCE THE MULTIFAMILY IS KIND OF UP AND BUILT AND HAVING, YOU KNOW, 340 KIND OF CLASS-A APARTMENTS WALKING DISTANCE TO THE RETAIL. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST TRYING TO VISUALIZE HERE'S WHERE YOUR COFFEE SHOP COULD GO IN A 14 ACRE FIELD VERSUS ONCE IT'S ACTUALLY DEVELOPED AND YOU'VE GOT THE STREETS IN AND EVERYBODY CAN KIND OF SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY GETTING AND PUTTING IN.
BUT WE ARE IN ACTIVE CONVERSATIONS.
THEN ONE OF OUR FIRST PHONE CALLS WOULD ACTUALLY BE TO THE CITY TO JUST KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LIVING WITHIN THE INTENT OF WHAT THIS KIMLEY-HORN REPORT THAT EVERYBODY ADOPTED IN THE PD WAS INTENDED TO BE.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OF COURSE, COMMISSIONER OTT AND COMMISSIONER JENKINS.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THINGS I WAS LOOKING AT ON THE ON THE RENDERINGS WAS THE SKY LOUNGE.
IS THAT MULTI STOREY OR IS THAT THE SINGLE STOREY? AND SO WHAT THAT BASICALLY IS, IS IF I COULD FIND IT GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION.
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THERE YOU GO. YEAH. SO IT'S KIND OF AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE.SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE THIS WAS ACTUALLY IN THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF AS WELL AS PART OF THE APPROVAL IS THE CORNER OF THE BUILDINGS BEING KIND OF ARCHITECTURALLY INTERESTING. AND SO WE WANTED TO LOCATE IT UP AT A HIGHER KIND OF CORNER.
SO IT KIND OF HAD THAT COOL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE.
BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT IS, IS IT'S AN OPEN SPACE.
IT'LL HAVE KIND OF A GOURMET COFFEE MACHINE, SO YOU CAN KIND OF COME IN IF YOU'RE A RESIDENCE RESIDENT USE ONLY, BUT YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF RESIDENTS WHO ARE WORK FROM HOME THESE DAYS. AND SO RATHER THAN JUST KIND OF SIT AT YOUR DINING ROOM TABLE OR ON YOUR COUCH AND DO WORK IS JUST SOMEWHERE TO KIND OF STRETCH YOUR LEGS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HAVE IT'S ALMOST LIKE A FOR LACK OF BETTER DESCRIPTION, LIKE A STARBUCKS KIND OF LOBBY.
BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT PROFESSIONALLY SELLING ANYTHING.
THERE IS JUST FOR RESIDENT USE ONLY.
IT'S JUST A PLACE TO GO. PLUG IT IN, USE YOUR WI FI, GET ON YOUR COMPUTER OR PRINT SOME STUFF.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEA OF IT.
SO THAT WOULD BE KIND OF MORE USE DURING THE DAY, BUT IT'S AVAILABLE AT NIGHT AS WELL.
SHOULD SOMEBODY WANT TO GO AND BRING FRIENDS OVER AND HAVE KIND OF SOME ENTERTAINMENT SPACE? SO IT'S THAT'S KIND OF THE INTENT AND THE IDEA BEHIND THE SKY LOUNGE AND THEN KIND OF PUTTING UP ON THE HIGH LEVEL, IT GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO CALL IT A STYLE LOUNGE AND ALSO GIVES US, IF IT'S ON THE GROUND FLOOR, IT'S NOT REALLY GOOD SKY LOUNGE, BUT IT GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO BE A SKY LOUNGE.
AND ALSO WE TRY TO PUT IT ON A CORNER OF A BUILDING TO GIVE SOMEWHERE, TO GIVE SOME ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE, BECAUSE THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES ARE DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING BE COOL AND URBAN, BUT ALSO LIVE COMFORTABLY.
AND SO WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THESE BIG TALL WINDOWS WHERE SOMEBODY'S BEDROOM IS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S KIND OF HARD ON THESE ARCHITECTURAL CORNERS TO GET IT RIGHT.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF A LOT.
I'M ASSUMING THAT WILL ONLY BE IN THE BUILDING THAT HAS THE LEASING CENTER IN IT.
AND SO YOUR FITNESS AND YOUR THERE'S WELL, THE PET SPACE IS ACTUALLY OVER HERE, BUT YOUR FITNESS AND YOUR SKY LOUNGE AND YOUR CLUBHOUSE WHERE IT'S GOT A GLASS SLIDING DOOR THAT KIND OF ROLLS UP. AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THE POOL THAT'S ALL IN THIS CLUBHOUSE SPACE IN THIS AREA THAT'S SOUTH.
AND YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED THIS AND EXCUSE ME IF YOU ALREADY DID, BUT THE GREEN SPACE ON LOT TWO AND LOT THREE, WHAT IS PLANNED FOR THAT? SO THOSE ARE ZONED IN THE SUBDISTRICT ONE ZONING.
SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S TWO DEALS AT PLAY.
WAL MART DOESN'T WANT TO COMPETE WITH SOME USES AND ALSO WHO WANTS TO OPEN THEIR PHARMACY ACROSS THE STREET FROM WAL MART WHEN THEY'LL CRUSH YOU? AND SO ANYWAY, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I THINK LED TO PART OF KIMLEY-HORN KIMLEY-HORN FINDINGS ON WHAT TO GO THERE.
AND SO EITHER DRIVE THRU COFFEE.
WE'VE TALKED TO SCOOTER'S COFFEE AND I THINK BLACK RIFLE WAS INTERESTED IN IT.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE WERE WE'RE BUYING THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT IN.
THE FIRST THING THAT WILL GO WOULD BE THESE TENANT.
AND AGAIN, WE REALLY DO VIEW THIS AS A AMENITY FEATURE OF OUR TENANTS.
PEOPLE DON'T GO WALK NEXT DOOR AND GO GET A COFFEE OR WHATEVER.
AND SO WE WANT TO GET IT RIGHT.
SO WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO TAKE OUR TIME ON IT.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO TIME IT RIGHT WITH WHERE THE MARKET IS NOW.
WE DON'T MAKE SENSE TO PUT MY INVESTMENT HERE.
OF COURSE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JENKINS.
MR. CHAIRMAN. GOOD EVENING, SIR.
YOU WERE AT THE PRE-MEETING AND MAYBE HEARD THE QUESTION.
WHAT? WHAT DICTATES WHEN THOSE LOWER FIRST LEVEL UNITS SHOULD BE MADE FOR RETAIL SPACE.
SO THAT'S PURELY MARKET DRIVEN.
AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE I MEAN, THE COST ASSOCIATED CONSTRUCTING, IT'S GOING TO BE RELATIVELY THE SAME TO DO AND YOU'LL HAVE SOME MORE KITCHENS AND BATHROOMS. AND SO I THINK ACTUALLY, AS I THINK ABOUT IT, I THINK THE MULTIFAMILY PROBABLY BE THE MORE EXPENSIVE CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE JUST RENT BASED.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IF THE MARKET'S THERE THAT YOU'VE I WOULD ASSUME THAT ONCE YOU GET THIS DART PUT IN BECAUSE YOU KIND OF GOT THIS ROAD ESSENTIALLY TO NOWHERE UNTIL DART DOES THEIR DEVELOPMENT. BUT ONCE YOU ACTUALLY GET THE DART STATION HERE AND THE DEVELOPMENT, YOU'VE GOT 340 UNITS HERE AND I WOULD ASSUME THEY'D PROBABLY GET ANOTHER 300 UNITS THERE.
SO THE TIMING OF IT WOULD BE PURELY MARKET.
AND SO IT COULD BE 24 MONTHS, IT COULD BE TEN YEARS.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THE MARKET DEMAND IS.
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HOW YOU ALL WILL BE BE RUSHING TO CAUSE OR ENCOURAGING RETAIL DEVELOPMENT IN AN AREA THAT WAS DESIGNED KIND OF WITH WITH AT LEAST THE THE SECOND MAP, NOT THE NOT THE FIRST KIND OF WITH THE COMMUNITY'S INPUT TO BE A VERY SPECIFIC SORT OF WAY.SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW THIS QUESTION IS COMING TO YOU.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WE WELCOME THE QUESTIONS.
NO, I MEAN, LIKE I SAY, IT'S VERY MARKET DRIVEN.
AGAIN, OLD ADAGE IS RETAIL FALLS ROOFTOP.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK GETTING THE I MEAN, THIS ISN'T TRY TO BE ANY KIND OF BAIT AND SWITCH.
I MEAN GETTING THE ACTUAL TENANTS THERE THAT ARE MARKET RENTERS, THEY WORK NEARBY AND THEN THEY START WANTING SOMEWHERE TO GRAB A SANDWICH OR GET A COFFEE OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT STARTS TO DRIVE THE DEMAND.
AND SO WE'VE HAD VERY LITTLE TO NO ISSUE RELATED TO THE REQUESTS.
SO I KNOW THAT AND I WAS HERE FOR THE PRE MEETING, SO I KNOW THERE'S A LITTLE BITTERNESS TOWARDS IT, BUT BUT NO, I DON'T THINK THAT AT LEAST OUR INTENTION IS NOT TO JUST DO SOME SORT OF BAIT AND SWITCH AND KIND OF GET OUT OF THERE.
I THINK ANY DEVELOPER THAT WOULD OWN THIS, EVEN IN TEN YEARS, WOULD MAKE THAT DETERMINATION SHOULD THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT BE DONE AND THEY CAN GET MORE RENT FOR THE GROUND FLOOR, OF COURSE.
COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING.
SO AS I'M LISTENING TO YOU, I'M I'M HEARING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I'M JUST NOT HEARING THE, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET ANALYSIS, THIS AND THAT.
I'M JUST IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S TOO MUCH EMPHASIS PUT ON THE RETAIL.
YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE ARE PLENTY OTHER, YOU KNOW, CONDO DEALS OR WHATEVER.
BUT WE NEED RETAIL OVER THERE.
ARE YOU ARE YOU SAYING THE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL OR THE OUT PARCEL, LIKE THE TWO AND THREE FOR SURE.
LIKE WE HOPE THAT THAT GETS THERE.
BUT SO IN SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED, IT WAS SAYING THAT THE BOTTOM LEVEL OR WHATEVER HAS THE ABILITY TO CONVERT OR WHATEVER AND, YOU KNOW, THE LANGUAGE JUST KIND OF SOUNDS, YOU KNOW, IFFY, LIKE, YEAH, YOU KNOW, IT MAY HAPPEN AND IT MAY NOT.
AND I JUST DON'T WANT THE CONSTITUENTS OF DISTRICT FOUR TO FEEL LIKE THEY, YOU KNOW, JUST GOT GOT.
LIKE I SAID, WE WANT TO GET IT RIGHT.
I MEAN, I THINK THE ABILITY TO CONVERT IT LATER IS KEY.
AND SO I THINK THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE WORSE WOULD TO BE.
GO PUT GROUND FLOOR, REQUIRE IT BE RETAIL AND THEN JUST HAVE IT SIT VACANT.
AND SO, I MEAN, I THINK IT'D BE BETTER TO HAVE CLOSE TO 100 RESIDENTS WHO ARE NEARBY TO GO ACTIVATE THE NEARBY RETAIL BECAUSE THERE IS SOME VACANT RETAIL AND OTHER SHOPPING CENTERS NEARBY. AND SO.
YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW A BETTER WAY TO ANSWER IT OTHER THAN WHEN THE ECONOMICS DICTATE.
I MEAN, DARK HAS THEIR ENTIRE THEIR WHOLE SEPARATE BEAST RELATED TO THEIR PROCESS RELATED TO IT.
IT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE FOR US TO DO IT.
WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE A COMPETITIVE OFFER TO DO IT.
BUT NO, I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF THE STORY RELATED TO THE GROUND FLOOR.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS CENTER PROMENADE BE VERY WALKABLE AND GIVE THE KIND OF GROUND FLOOR SPACE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE FUTURE RESTAURANTS AND USES THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ULTIMATELY WILL BE THERE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE THE FLEXIBILITY THERE.
AND SPECIFICALLY LOTS TWO AND THREE.
I MEAN, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE ARE IN ACTIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH GROUPS.
THANK YOU, SIR. OF COURSE, A COMMISSIONER JENKINS.
OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
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CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WITH THE PD ON IT, PLEASE? THIS ONE? YES, SIR.AND I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT I CAN SEE THIS TOO.
IT WAS MY IMPRESSION THAT THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN, NOT THE ORIGINAL.
EXCUSE ME, THE UPDATED CONCEPT PLAN.
SO YOUR MIDDLE MAP WOULD CONTAIN MORE THROUGH WAYS AND BYWAYS AND WALKABLE SPACE.
AND SO MY HESITATION, I SUPPOSE, IS TRYING TO COORDINATE THIS IDEA OF A BIKE PATH ON A CENTRAL RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT'S MORE TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY AND OF COURSE WOULD CONNECT WITH OTHER AREAS THAT ARE LISTED IN TIME TO THE CONCEPT THAT EXISTS THAT WAS THAT HAD LOTS OF INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY.
I JUST KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THE AMENITIES.
ARE THOSE AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE OR ARE THEY KIND OF JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS? SO PART OF THE PD ACTUALLY PROHIBITS AND WE HAD REALLY NO ISSUE WITH IT WHEN IT WAS SUGGESTED BY I CAN'T REMEMBER WITH WILL OR NATHANIEL DOING ANY KIND OF EXTERIOR FENCING AROUND THE PERIMETER AND DO ANY KIND OF LIKE VEHICULAR GATES.
SO THERE'S ACCESS TO THE BUILDINGS.
SO IN ORDER TO GET IN THE BUILDING, YOU HAD A KEY FOR ACCESS.
AND THE ZONING WAS CONNECTIVITY, WALKABILITY.
AND THAT'S NOT AT LEAST FROM THE WAY THAT I UNDERSTOOD IT WHEN IT WAS KIND OF PRESENTED TO US TO NOT HAVE THE VEHICULAR ACCESS WAS NOT TO JUST RESTRICT THAT TO THE RESIDENTS ONLY. AND SO PERSONALLY, I WOULDN'T REALLY ENVISION WHY SOMEBODY WOULD BE WALKING THROUGH THERE UNLESS YOU'RE THROUGH THE PARKING, UNLESS YOU'RE A RESIDENT WALKING TO YOUR CAR.
I REALLY BELIEVE THAT WHOEVER IS NOT GOING TO LIVE ON PROPERTY, WHO'S GOING TO USE THIS PROPERTY AS A MEANS OF RIDING THEIR BIKE OR WALK OR GOING ON A WALK OR ON A JOG ARE GOING TO USE THIS GREENBELT SIDEWALK, THIS PROMENADE SIDEWALK OR THIS EAST WEST BIKE PATH.
AND SO THOSE ARE REALLY KIND OF THE FOCAL POINTS FOR NON RESIDENTS IN MY OPINION.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE DID THAT DOUBLE LINED SIDEWALK THERE.
I BELIEVE THAT THIS ONE ON THE STREET HERE IS EIGHT FEET.
ALL THE INTERNAL SIDEWALKS ARE SIX FEET, WHICH TYPICALLY WE USUALLY DO LIKE 4 TO 5 FEET.
BUT SINCE THIS IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE PEDESTRIAN AND KIND OF OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, THEN IT'S WIDER.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS EAST WEST BIKE PATH.
AND SO WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY CLEAN IT OUT, PIPE IT, BACKFILL ON TOP OF IT.
SO IT'S NOT JUST LIKE IN SOME HOLE AND TURN THAT ACTUALLY INTO AN EAST WEST BIKE PATH CONNECTOR.
SO I THINK NOW WE'RE WE'RE COMING TO AN UNDERSTANDING WITH THAT IN VAIN.
WITH THAT, WITH THAT IN FRAME.
EXCUSE ME. IT'S NOW WHY THE RETAIL COMPONENT IS SO IMPORTANT, OF COURSE, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE, OF COURSE, THIS ACCESS THAT HAS BEEN GRANTED TO, THERE HAS TO BE A REASON FOR THE ACCESS.
AND WITHOUT THAT, YOU JUST DON'T GET THERE.
RIGHT. I'M NOT BIASED AGAINST MULTIFAMILY.
I WAS ORIGINALLY HOPING FOR SOME SORT OF URBAN COTTAGE STYLE.
I'M NOT AGAINST THE PROJECT. I JUST I KIND OF WANT SOME MORE KNOW.
HOW ABOUT FEEDBACK IS A BETTER WORD FROM FROM WILL AND NATHANIEL OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, NOTHING IS YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF TAKE THAT WE GO AND WE ULTIMATELY GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND I THINK I HAVE A FOLDER OF OLD SITE PLANS THAT'S GOT ABOUT 40 FROM THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
I MEAN, WE'VE HAD ALL DIFFERENT KINDS.
AND SO WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO DELIVER TO THIS WHAT WE FELT LIKE THE CITY REALLY WANTED.
BUT DO IT. I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS A GREAT DEAL.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY INCENTIVES.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN REACHED OUT TO THE EDC ON THIS STUFF.
WE JUST WANT TO DO THIS. A TRUE MARKET RATE, CONVENTIONAL DEAL.
AND THE WAY TO ECONOMICALLY DO THAT IS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE SPACE THAT IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT STARTS, JUST THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT COULD ULTIMATELY CONVERT LATER. BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHY WE TRIED TO MAKE THIS PROMENADE HERE KIND OF THE FOCAL POINT.
AND I BELIEVE IT WAS CHAIRMAN ROBERTS THAT BROUGHT UP.
YES, THE RETAIL PROBABLY WON'T BE ON THE STREET.
YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE THE PARKING FOR IT.
THIS IS REALLY WHERE WE SEE IT, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE STREET ACTUALLY CONNECTS ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
AND YOU HAVE THE DART STATION RIGHT HERE, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE PARALLEL PARKING THERE.
YOU'VE GOT THE DOUBLE LINE BUILDINGS ON EITHER SIDE.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE TRIED TO LOCATE THOSE PRIVATE YARDS IN THE GROUND FLOOR TO TRY TO GIVE SOMETHING NICE NOW, BUT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CONVERTED LATER, BECAUSE WE DO BELIEVE THAT WILL BE A PRETTY MAJOR CONNECTION PIECE ONCE IT'S ALL DEVELOPED OUT.
OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. OF COURSE.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL FIRST APOLOGIZE IF I WAS TOO AGGRESSIVE.NO. AND WE BROUGHT AN ARCHITECT TO TALK TO THE ARCHITECT.
BUT NO, I'M JUST PUSHING FOR THE VISION AND I'VE SEEN LOST OPPORTUNITIES.
AND TO BE HONEST, I HAVE WORKED IN HOUSE WITH DEVELOPERS, SO.
AND THAT WAS DURING THE MID EIGHTIES WHEN THERE WAS TOTAL GREED AND MISMANAGEMENT AND EVERYTHING.
SO I'VE SEEN THE BAD AS WELL AS GOOD.
SO THAT'S SOME OF MY BACKSTORY.
AND YOU JUST EXPLAIN WHAT SAME THING I WAS THINKING THAT THAT ONE LINE THERE, THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONLY PLACE THAT'S PROBABLY THE FOCAL POINT YOU WOULD EVER GET RETAIL ON IT AND YOU COULD PROBABLY EVEN DROP THE BUILDINGS ALONG THE STREET, THE FIRST FLOORS RIGHT BACK DOWN TO NINE OR TEN, AND STAFF PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN ARGUE WITH THAT.
AND I THOUGHT I'D OFFERED SOMETHING SUPER COOL AND NATHANIEL, YOU KNOW, ALL OVER IT.
YEAH WE'RE IN AN AREA AND I THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONER ROSE THAT YOU BROUGHT UP.
ARE WE AMENABLE WHEN WE'RE KIND OF THE PRE MEETING? YEAH, WE'VE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH MULTIPLE ITERATIONS.
AND I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER JENKINS.
MIXED USE IS VERY DIFFICULT TO PULL OFF VERTICALS ESPECIALLY MOCKINGBIRD STATION PULLED IT OFF BUT IT'S BEEN AN EBB AND FLOW EVEN THERE AND IT'S ONE OF THE BETTER, BETTER IMPLEMENTATIONS OF IT.
SO I SEE THIS AS A PARTIAL, MAYBE SOME IN PIECES BEING GOING RETAIL.
IT KIND OF LEADS YOU DOWN TO WHAT YOU HOPE TO GO IN TO AND ONE.
ANYHOW, WITH 12 FOOT CEILINGS YOU'RE GOING TO CHARGE MORE FOR.
YEAH, YOU'RE. SOMEBODY MUST HAVE SHOWN YOU THE PERFORMER.
YES. WE HAVE HEIGHTENED CEILING PREMIUM FOR THOSE FIRST FLOOR UNITS.
YEAH. YEAH. AND COMMISSIONERS TO WHAT HE SAID ABOUT HAVING 40 SITE PLANS.
WHEN I FIRST JOINED THE PLANNING COMMISSION 16, 17 YEARS AGO, I TOLD MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY UP HERE WITH EVEN A HALFWAY LARGE PROJECT SPENT BETWEEN TEN AND $100,000 JUST TO GET HERE.
THESE FOLKS ARE WAY BEYOND THAT.
YES. AND I ACTUALLY WISH I COULD SHOW IT TO YOU, BUT I BROUGHT MY I PUT HIM ON A PDF WITH MY ACTUAL ONION PAPER TRACING PAPER, BECAUSE I THOUGHT, IF YOU'RE AN ARCHITECT, YOU'LL REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. BUT THAT'S HOW WE USED TO KIND OF START.
SO, ALL RIGHT, AS LONG AS WE CAN GET CLOSE TO THAT VISION, WE'LL BE HAPPY.
AND WE'RE WORKING HAND-IN-GLOVE WITH ESPECIALLY WILL.
IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS THAT WE WORK WITH HIM, BUT ANTHONY KNOWS I PUSH FOR THE VISION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OR IF NOT FOR THE ARCHITECT? DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING, TREY? NOPE. HE'S A GOOD ARCHITECT.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT REALLY DOES.
GREAT. AND THEN THIS GUY LOUNGE PUTS A MEETING ROOM.
SO IF YOU SAY YOU'RE AN ARCHITECT WORKING FROM HOME, YOU HAVE A PLACE TO MEET WITH CLIENTS.
LET ME SEE IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN THE AUDIENCE.
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. NO REBUTTAL NEEDED.
COMMISSIONER AUBURN THEMAS CHAIR.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ALREADY AND THEN GO TO DISCUSSION.
I'D LIKE TO GET A DISCUSSION BEFORE IT'S TOO CLOSE.
THE PUBLIC HEARING MADE BY COMMISSIONER AUBURN AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS.
OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE VOTE.
WHAT WAS YOUR SIR? I THINK, MR. CHAIR, I INTEND TO SUPPORT THE APPLICATION.
I JUST. I DIDN'T HAVE A QUESTION TO ASK YOU, BUT I DID WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS.
I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROJECT IN COMING, AND I PARTICULARLY WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU GUYS FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR BUILDING OUT THE FIRST FLOORS, STARTING IT AS RESIDENTIAL.
THE METROPLEX IS ABSOLUTELY LITTERED WITH FAILED VERTICAL, MIXED USE.
AND YOU SEE IT AND THEY THEY BUILD IT AS VERTICAL MIXED USE.
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AND THEN ULTIMATELY A YEAR OR TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THEY BEGRUDGINGLY THEN HAVE TO SPEND ALL OF THE MONEY TO CONVERT THE COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL.IT'S ACTUALLY SUCCESSFUL, WHICH HAS BEEN MOCKINGBIRD STATION.
AND SO I THINK THE I THINK IT'S MUCH BETTER.
SO APPRECIATE THAT APPROACH VERY MUCH.
I THINK THAT THE DESIGN LOOKS GOOD AND THE THOUGHT BEHIND IT IS GREAT.
I KNOW IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WHAT KIMLEY-HORN DID, I MEAN, AS LONG AS YOU'RE GENERALLY MATCHING THE CONCEPT, THE EXACT STUFF ON THESE THINGS IS THE ONCE UPON A TIME, ALL THESE TYPES OF PLANS THAT WE USED TO GET, I WOULD REFER TO AS PLANNERS FANTASIES BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T VERY REALISTIC AND WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT BETTER AT THEM FOR SURE.
IT LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT THAN SOMEONE WHO'S JUST KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE A GREAT CONCEPT HERE? SO SO KUDOS TO YOU GUYS FOR THAT.
I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT AND I INTEND TO SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
COMMISSIONER OTT AND COMMISSIONER AUBURN.
YOU DID. YEAH, WELL, I HAD TO ALSO PLAN TO SUPPORT THIS.
ALL RIGHTY. ANY OTHER COMMENTARY? I'LL JUST SAY I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT, TOO.
I THINK WE'VE GOT THE GENESIS OF SOMETHING GOOD HERE THAT'S FLYING.
WITHIN BUDGET AND MR. CHAIR, I MOVE APPROVAL.
AND DO WE HAVE MORE THAN THAT? WE HAVE MULTIPLE PARTS OF THIS OR JUST ONE PART.
AND DO I HEAR A SECOND MOTION? MOTION BY COMMISSIONER AUBIN.
COMMISSIONER DALTON. DID YOU WANT.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER AUBURN, THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DALTON.
DISCUSSION. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK, GENTLEMEN.
EXCITED ABOUT IT? HE'LL BE GREAT.
ALL RIGHTY. THE NEXT CASE OR TWO CASES ARE THE LAST ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
[Items 4D & 4E]
IT'S A TWO PARTER FOR RECONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION OF HANAN SALAM SALMAN REQUESTING APPROVAL OF AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT.THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 30654 SLANE.
AND ITEM FOUR E CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION.
I AM REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DETAILED PLAN FOR CONTRACTOR'S OFFICE WAREHOUSE INDOOR PROPERTY.
SO WELCOME TO MY PRESENTATION.
AND WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
OF COURSE. AGAIN, MY NAME IS HANAN SOLOMON.
SORRY ABOUT MISPRONOUNCING YOUR NAME.
OKAY, SO OUR PROJECT BACKGROUND IS GOING TO BE AN OFFICE CONTRACTOR WAREHOUSE.
IT WILL BE CONSISTED OF FIVE TENANTS.
THE SITE AREA OF THE ENTIRE LOT IS 44,761 SQUARE FEET.
THE BUILDING ITSELF WILL BE 9355.
IT'S NOT ON THERE, BUT WE'LL GO FARTHER LATER.
PRETTY MUCH IT WILL BE CONSISTED OF FIVE SPACES.
THE FIRST ONE WILL BE 1900 SQUARE FOOT, WHICH IS BASE NUMBER ONE TOWARD FOREST LANE.
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WE HAVE SPACE NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS 1925, AS WELL AS THREE AND FOUR.AND THEN THE LAST ONE WILL BE 1680.
IT SAYS ON THERE, 1925, BUT IT WILL BE 1680.
SORRY. THIS IS PRETTY MUCH HOW IT WILL BE LOOKING LIKE WITH THE LANDSCAPING ON THERE.
IT HAS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, LANDSCAPING, TREES AND SHRUBS AND EVERYTHING.
THIS IS THE ELEVATION OF HOW THE BUILDING WILL BE LOOKING.
WHY? FROM EAST, WEST, NORTH AND SOUTH.
NOW. ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? ANY QUESTIONS? I KNOW YOU HEARD THE CONVERSATION PREVIOUSLY ABOUT POSSIBILITY OF RUNNING THAT FOREST LANE MOST ONE TO SOME OTHER ENTITY.
WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT IF THE OPPORTUNITY CAME UP, EVEN IF YOU KNOW THIS ALL WENT CONTRACTOR? YEAH, OF COURSE. WE CAN ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION OF THAT JUST VERY FIRST SPACE I MEAN ALTHOUGH WOULD REQUIRE MORE PARKING SINCE THAT DRIVEWAY IS OFF TO THE EAST THERE YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO JUST HEAD IN PARK UP NEXT TO THE BUILDING AND PICK UP WHATEVER PARKING YOU MIGHT NEED.
I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE DOING FIVE TENANTS.
BUT IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WOULD LOVE TO ANSWER THEM.
BUT IT'S JUST A VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD PROJECT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO START.
SURE. COMMISSIONER ROSE HAVE YOU CONSIDERED ANY KIND OF SIGNAGE BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU'RE POTENTIAL TENANTS TOWARDS THE BACK WILL NOT HAVE ANY EXPOSURE.
SO HAVE YOU CONSIDER ANY KIND OF SIGNAGE? YES. WE HAVE ACTUALLY LOOKED INTO THE CITY OF GARLAND ORDINANCE ABOUT THE SIGNAGE, AND IT SEEMS TO BE IT HAS TO BE LIKE A WALL WITH PUTTING THE EACH SPACE.
AND SO THAT'S THE CONSIDERATION THAT WE ARE TAKING INTO.
SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR MIND TO TAKE OVER.
ALL RIGHT. ON A SIDE NOTE, YOU'VE GOT A WONDERFUL CHILD THERE.
WE WERE OBVIOUSLY SO ENTERTAINING.
YES. YEAH, I HAVE ANOTHER TWO OF THEY'RE WATCHING ME RIGHT NOW.
THEY? YEAH. YOU CAN SAY HELLO TO HIM IF YOU WANT.
YEAH, SO I KNOW, RIGHT? SO, YEAH, THEY KEPT TEXTING.
THEY'RE LIKE, WHEN ARE YOU COMING OUT? AND I'M LIKE, VERY SOON.
WELL, I APPRECIATE IT, BUT, YEAH, WE'RE.
WE KINDLY AND RESPECTFULLY, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FOR THAT APPROVAL TO START OUR PROJECT.
AND, WELL, AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE.
SO, COMMISSIONERS, IT'S UP TO YOU ALL NOW, RIGHT? OKAY. AND JUST CHIME IN AND MAKE A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST.
AS FOR CITY STAFF, THERE WOULD BE BOTH ITEMS RD AND THE.
YES, I'M SORRY. PD AND THE PLAN GOT IT.
AND THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER AUBURN.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. AND THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER AUBURN TO APPROVE ITEMS FOR D AND FOUR E AS PRESENTED, PLEASE VOTE.
I APPRECIATE IT. CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'LL BE A NICE LITTLE ADDITION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE.
THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.
BUT BEFORE WE GO, I'D LIKE TO WISH EVERYBODY A WONDERFUL AND A SAFE THANKSGIVING.
AND WE WANT YOU ALL SAFE SO WE CAN SEE EVERYBODY DOWN HERE.
ALL RIGHTY. UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING OF MONDAY, DECEMBER 12TH, WE ARE ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.