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          DID YOU THAT? GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE DECEMBER 5TH 2022 . THERE'S THE MICROPHONE. 
          DECEMBER. 5TH 2022 WORK SESSION FOR THE GARLAND CITY COUNCIL. THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT. ITEM ONE IS PUBLIC COMMENTS ON WORK SESSION ITEMS AND WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE SIGNED 
          [2. Consider the Consent Agenda]
UP TO SPEAK FOR THAT. NEXT IS CONSIDERED THE ITEM TWO IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. CONSIDER THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR TOMORROW NIGHT. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY REQUESTS OTHERWISE. LET'S SEE. 
          [3. Written Briefings:]
MOVING ON TO WRITTEN BRIEFINGS UNDER 33. A ORDINANCE AMENDMENT CONSTRUCTION, WATER METER DEPOSIT, AND I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS HAS SOME QUESTIONS. GO AHEAD, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS KINDA WE HAVE A COUPLE OF WORTHY CANDIDATES HERE IN THE BATTER'S BOX TONIGHT. EVENING GENTLEMEN. GOOD EVENING. UH AND THE ANSWERS OF BREVITY. IF I CAN. AH! SO I CAN GET OFF THE MATE. UM. I'M GONNA JUST GO THROUGH SOME SOME QUESTIONS THAT YOU CAN RESPOND TO TONIGHT. THAT'S FINE. IF YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO RESEARCH AND EMAIL THAT SUFFICIENT TO SO DON'T BE LIKE YOU'VE HAD TO PROVIDE ALL THE INFORMATION TONIGHT AS FAR AS ENGLAND TERRY ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT, THANKS. OKAY, UH, MY FIRST QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH WHAT'S THE VOLUME? UM. UH THESE CONSTRUCTION WATER MEDIA'S HOW MANY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ANNUALLY? THAT OR EITHER INVENTORY. OR THAT OR REQUESTED BY, UH. BY COMPANIES OR PERSONS DOING CONSTRUCTION IN OUR CITIES SO THAT THE NUMBER ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT GO OR THE IF YOU WANT. 
          IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, GO AHEAD . WE HAVE ABOUT 70 TO 100 FIRE HYDRANT BEACH. WE CAUGHT ON FIRE 100 M OR TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION METERS. YES SIR. WE HAVE ABOUT 75 TO 100 OUT EATING GIVEN TIME THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. IT VARIES ON HOW MUCH CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON. BUT WE HAVE ABOUT 75 TO 100 OUT AT ANY TIME. OKAY? ARE THESE OUT TO INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS. OKAY? MY SECOND QUESTION. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THESE MEETINGS ARE RETURNED? YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR RIGHT UP AND THE PROPOSAL WE'VE GOT YOU TALK ABOUT DAMAGED. DAMAGE WE'RE GETTING ANYWHERE BETWEEN 20 TO 25% OF THEM PER YEAR OR HAVE SOME KIND OF DAMAGE TO THEM. IT COULD BE A MINOR DAMAGE. WHERE IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WERE PLACED IN A COUPLE OF BOLTS AND THE GASKET OR IT COULD BE COMPLETELY DESTROYED AND HAVE TO BE REBUILT OR REPLACED COMPLETELY BUT ABOUT ANYWHERE BETWEEN 20 TO 25% PER YEAR ARE COMING BACK DAMAGED. OKAY MY THIRD QUESTION. IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE. AND THIS MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT TERM. I CAN THINK OF IT. AND THE LEASE AGREEMENT WHEN THEY COME TO. 
          THEY DO SOMETHING BORROWED FROM YOU. ALL RIGHT, OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING IN THAT AGREEMENT THAT WOULD MAKE ME THE BARRIER. THE CONTRACTOR ALLOWABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES AT ALL. YES WE IN THE IN THE PAPERWORK THERE HANDED THAT THEY SIGNED THE AGREEMENT. THEY'RE TOLD THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE METER THAT THEY HAVE TO SUPPORT IT BECAUSE IT'S A FAIRLY LONG DEVICES STICKS OFF. SO WE HAVE TO TELL THEM THEY HAVE TO SUPPORT IT BECAUSE IT CAN. IF YOU'RE PUTTING WHITE ON IT COULD BREAK IT OFF AND THEN ALSO, THEY HAVE TO FREEZE PROTECTED, ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTERTIME. BECAUSE THEY DO GET FROZEN AND BREAK ALSO BUT YES, THERE IS DOCUMENTATION THEY SIGN THAT SAYS THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. OKAY AND WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? ARE RECOVERY RATE ON THAT? THAT IS THEY SIGNED THE AGREEMENT. THEY BRING IT BACK DAMAGE. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS? WHAT IS EVERY RATE OF RECOVERY FROM THE USERS? WE GET? WELL WE DON'T REFUND THE DEPOSIT. WE KEEP THE DEPOSIT UNTIL WE GET TO REBUILD THEM AND CHECK THEM SO WE DON'T RELEASE THE DEPOSIT BACK. BUT RIGHT NOW. THE METERS THEMSELVES ARE COSTING US ABOUT. $2000, THE ALMOST $2000 FOR THE METER IN THE BACKFLOW DEVICE ON IT. WE ONLY HAVE $1000 DEPOSIT. SO WE'RE NOT RECOUPING ALL OUR MONEY NOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW. I HAVE TO RESEARCH. SEE HOW MUCH WE'RE LOSING ON THAT. OKAY? UM, SPEAKING OF REFUND UM. WHAT'S OUR NUMBERS? WHAT'S OUR AVERAGE? WHAT OUR AVERAGE REFUND RATES. YOU SAY THAT THEY PAID THEIR $1000 DEPOSIT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT, RIGHT AND RETURN IT WHEN THEY RETURN IT, IT SUGGESTED RIGHT PRO RATED BASED ON THE DAMAGE, 
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CORRECT? YEAH WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? AND I KNOW I MESSED YOU NEED KIND OF KIND OF GUESS. WHAT IS WHAT IS THAT? WHAT IS OUR RATE OF RECOVERY? BOTH FROM AN EQUIPMENT STANDPOINT AND FINANCIAL STANDPOINT. ONCE THEY BRING IT BACK, IT'S THE DAMAGE. YOU KNOW THEY ARE DO THEY GET COULD YOU POSSIBLY GIVE ME A RANGE OF WHAT? RIGHT NOW? RATE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE NOT GETTING ANY DEPOSIT BACK IN MOST CASES BECAUSE THE METER IS COSTING US MORE THAN THAN THE IN THE DEPOSIT RIGHT NOW. SO THEY'RE NOT GETTING ANY BACK RIGHT NOW. IN THE PAST, THEY'VE GOT PROBABLY 50 TO 60% OF THEIR ACCOUNT THEIR MONEY BACK. BUT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE PRICE INCREASES THE INCREASE IN THE COST OF THE METERS AND THE BACKFLOW DEVICES. UH WE'RE KEEPING THE WHOLE DEPOSIT RIGHT NOW FOR ANY DAMAGE, JUST BASICALLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT COVERING OUR COSTS. AND ALL OF THE ALL OF THE METERS OF PURCHASED OUTRIGHT BY THE CITY. 
          CORRECT? YES. CONSIDERATION WITH CONSIDERATION OF LEASING. CITY LEASING. AH ARE DOING A COMBINATION OF BOTH. WE'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT WE HAVE NEVER CONSIDERED LEASING WATER METERS. 
          NO. YOU HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT. WE PREFER IN PAST YEARS, WE'VE PREFERRED TO OWN THEM. THAT WAY. 
          WE CAN MAINTAIN THE BACKFLOW DEVICES TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THE METERS ARE ACCURATE, SO WHEN THEY COME IN, WE NOT ONLY TEST AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT BROKEN . WE TEST THEM FOR ACCURACY, AND WE TEST THE BACKFLOW DEVICES TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE STILL FUNCTIONING PROPERLY. SO WE HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL OVER THEM. OKAY, LOOK AT SOME POSSIBLE OPTIONS. IN ADDITION TO THE STRAIGHT BUY AND LEASE JOB, PASTORALLY. YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO IDEA. WHERE DID YOU SEE WHAT OPTIONS ARE OUT THERE? WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT. TAKE A LOOK AT IT. AND MY LAST. MY LAST QUESTION FOR YOU IS BASED ON WHAT'S IN THE WRITTEN REPORT. WHAT, IF ANY IMPACT WHAT DOUBLING THE. RELEASE PRICE 3000 WHAT IMPACT WILL THAT HAVE ON CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS IN OUR CITY DONE BY INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS. I DON'T BELIEVE IT WILL HAVE ANY BECAUSE WE LOOKED AT SOME OTHER CITIES. YEAH WE KIND OF COMPARED PRICES TO, FOR INSTANCE, CITY OF FORT WORTH THEIR DEPOSITS. $2600 DALLAS IS ABOUT 21 50. GRAND PRAIRIE 2500. ARLINGTON 15 12, IRVING 1600 HIGHLAND VILLAGE, 1600. SO THE IT VARIES DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF METER AND YOU KNOW IF THEY HAVE AN RPC ATTACHED TO THAT METER AS WELL AND IN THE TYPE SO THAT JUST SHOWS WHAT THE DEPOSIT RANGES FROM. SO WE'RE TALKING. WE'RE KIND OF RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE ABOUT 1500 TO 2600 WHAT WE'RE SEEING OUT WITH OTHER CITIES AROUND NORTH TEXAS. OKAY WEST, COULD YOU COULD YOU SHARE SOME OF THAT COMPARATIVE DATA WITH COUNCIL? ALRIGHT THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM IS THREE B ORDINANCE AMENDMENT CROSS CONNECTION CONTROL. IN THE FINAL UNDER THIS, SECTION THREE C MASTER IN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH DALLAS COUNTY FOR MAINTENANCE ON CERTAIN DESIGNATED ROADWAYS. YEAH, THAT'S A THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THERE. ALL RIGHT. ALRIGHT WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR. 
          [4.a. Garland Youth Council Update]
VERBAL BRIEFINGS. FIRST UP ITEM FOUR. A IS OUR GARLAND YOUTH COUNCIL UPDATE HMM. YEAH. GOT QUITE A GROUP HERE TONIGHT. I JUST KIND OF SHUFFLE KIND OF SHUFFLE DOWN. A LITTLE NERVOUS. 
          THEY FOUND OUT WELL, I'M JUST I'M JUST GLAD THEY'RE HERE BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT THE AVERAGE AGE IN THIS ROOM DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY. YEAH SORRY, COUNSEL. MY NAME IS LISA MARIE, LISTEN, I AM THE STAFF LIAISON FOR THE GARDEN. WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TONIGHT AND TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE DONE. THIS FIRST PART OF WHAT WE CALL OUR SEMESTER AND SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO OUR PRESENCE. HELLO. HELLO. 
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GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS HALEY GONZALEZ. I AM THE PRESIDENT FOR THIS YEAR'S G Y C. THIS IS MY FOURTH YEAR. SO THIRD TIME RETURNING, AND I HOPE TO MAKE THIS YEAR LAST FOR MY FOR ME. SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO. WE ARE STARTING FROM SCRATCH. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THAT GARLAND YOUTH COUNCIL IS STARTING FROM SCRATCH BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE FOUR RETURNING MEMBERS THIS YEAR COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS YEARS. UM, OUR TEAM IS ALMOST COMPLETELY NEW, MEANING A LOT NEW NEW FACES NEW OPPORTUNITIES TO LEARN NEW WAYS IN WHICH THE YOUTH CAN HELP. OUR CITY. AND IN ADDITION TO THIS, SINCE WE ARE MOSTLY A NEW FORMED GROUP UM, WE STARTED THIS YEAR, MOSTLY BY COLLECTING INFORMATION FROM OTHER COMMITTEES. OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE REACHED OUT AND ASKED FOR OUR HELP AND COMPILING WHAT YOU WOULD SAY AS A LITTLE CATALOG OF WHAT WE COULD DO. 
          POSSIBLY FOR THIS, UH, NEXT UPCOMING YEAR OF 2023. SO TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR . UM WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE, INCLUDING A LOT OF GUEST SPEAKERS, AS WELL AS ANY COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR. OKAY HELLO. MY NAME IS MEDINA. I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT, AND I'M GOING TO BEGIN BY TALKING ABOUT ONE OF OUR EARLIEST GUEST PRESENTERS, WHICH WAS DR LISA OLSON. SHE SPECIALIZES IN MENTAL HEALTH AND GUIDANCE COUNSELING IN, UH, FOR GARLAND ICED TEA. SHE SPOKE TO US ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT MENTAL HEALTH IS ESPECIALLY FOR US AS YOUTH, AND THE PRESENTATION WAS ENGAGING. WE DID SOME FUN ACTIVITIES AND IT WAS ULTIMATELY EXTREMELY BENEFICIAL. AND SO FORTH. YEAH. THE MICHAEL PICK YOU UP. HELLO MY NAME IS MANALI A SCENE AND I'M THE SECRETARY. I DO I SEE. WE ATTENDED SAFETY FEST SAFETY FEST WAS AN EVENT THAT HAD MULTIPLE BOOTS. EACH BOOTH HAD DIFFERENT INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THE ORGANIZATION DOES . THE MEMBERS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOLUNTEER AT SAFETY VESTS AND ALSO DISPLAY OUR OWN BOOTH. WE HELP THE SIMULATION BY HAVING GOGGLES IN WHICH THE LENS WERE BLURRED LENS REPRESENTS WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO BE UNDER THE INFLUENCE. WE ALSO HAD SMALL CARS TO DRIVE AROUND WITH TO HELP SIMULATE THIS. LASTLY OUR BOOTH HAD FLYERS ABOUT THE DANGERS OF DRUNK DRIVING. WE ALSO HAD AN EVENT CALLED CAMELOT. THE MAYOR INVITED. HE EXTENDED HIS INVITATION TO SEE MEMBERS TO VOLUNTEER AT THE ANNUAL BLOCK. PARTY MEMBERS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SET UP THE TABLES, SERVE FOOD, PASS OUT DRINKS AND EVEN RUN THE GAMES. 
          IT WAS A FUN EXPERIENCE. WE HAD A GUEST SPEAKER COME FROM THE AUDUBON RECREATION CENTER, MR BRENDAN ZACHARY. HE CAME TO US, UH, ASKING OUR OPINIONS ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN OUR RECREATION CENTERS, FOR EXAMPLE , UH, WHAT ACTIVITIES WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE OR WHAT SHOULD WE ADD? SUCH AS, LIKE, LET'S SAY SOME DATING CLASSES OR SOME, UH SOME RECREATIONAL SPORTS THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE WHAT WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY HAD, AS WELL AS POSSIBLE TUTORING SESSIONS THAT COULD HAPPEN WITHIN RECREATION CENTERS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO NOT ONLY, UH, THE YOUTH WHO ARE HERE, BUT THOSE WHO LIVE, UH, THE OLDER THE ELDERS, OTHER ADULTS ANYTHING THAT WOULD WE WERE NOT TO LEARN FROM THEM BASICALLY. WE ALSO HAD OUR VERY OWN CITY ATTORNEY, MR BRIAN ENGLAND, COME SPEAK TO US ABOUT HIS JOB. IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING INTAKE ON WHAT HE HAD TO DO. HE TOLD US THAT HE HAD SEVERAL BOSSES UNDER IN WHICH HE HAD TO REPORT TO YOU. 
          AND HE ALSO ENLIGHTENED US ABOUT , UM WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO BECOME A CITY ATTORNEY AS WELL AS WHAT DIFFERENT PRACTICES YOU WOULD HAVE TO INTAKE IN ORDER TO BE A CITY ATTORNEY AND WHAT OTHER PRACTICES YOU CAN USE AND OTHER DIFFERENT SIDES OF LAW. ALL RIGHT. HELLO I AM JOANNE SIMON AND I AM THE COMMUNITY SERVICE CHAIR OF THE YOUTH COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 1ST. WE HAD THE CHRISTMAS AT FIRE WHEEL THE GY. SEE WE HAD A BOOTH WITH CRABS WHERE KIDS CAN MAKE ORNAMENTS AND THEY CAN HANG IT ON THEIR CHRISTMAS TREES. THE DAY BEFORE THE MEMBERS WORKED ON 
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PUTTING TOGETHER ZIPLOC BAGS THAT CONTAINED ALL ITEMS TO MAKE THESE ORNAMENTS. WE HAD A GREAT NUMBER OF KIDS SHOW UP TO THIS BOOTH, AND WE'RE ABLE TO BRING AWARENESS ABOUT THE GARLAND YOUTH COUNCIL. WE HAD A TOTAL OF 260 BAGS, AND EACH BAG WAS USED TO BRING CHRISTMAS JOY AND LOVE TOO MANY CHILDREN AT THIS EVENT WAS A PHENOMENAL SUCCESS, AND WE ALLOWED LOTS OF KIDS TO EXPERIENCE THE HOLIDAY EXCITEMENT. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN FROM NOVEMBER, 16TH TO DECEMBER 5TH. WE HAD THE TOY DRIVE. WE PARTNERED WITH THE GARLAND FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR THIS DRIVE, AND WE COLLECTED TOYS FOR THE CHILDREN DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON, REMEMBERS REACHED OUT TO A PLETHORA OF ORGANIZATIONS AND OUR SCHOOLS OR COMMUNITIES WITHIN OUR FRIEND GROUPS. AND WE WERE ABLE TO COLLECT A PHENOMENAL AMOUNT OF TOYS RECEIVED TOYS SUCH AS CARS, DOLLS AND STUFFED ANIMALS AND MUCH, MUCH MORE RECEIVED A GOOD CONTRIBUTION FROM OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SOME OF OUR FUTURE PROJECTS WE ARE CONSIDERING. SUMMER FUTURE PROJECTS FOR THE YOUTH COUNCIL IS THE BLOOD DRIVE AND THE BOOK DRIVE. WE DID DO A BLOOD DRIVE LAST YEAR AND WERE PLANNING ON CONTINUING IT THIS YEAR AS PART OF OUR SERVICE, AND THEN SOMETHING NEW WE ARE DOING IS THE BOOK DRIVE, WHICH WILL BE PARTNERING WITH THE LOCAL BOOK, UM, THE LOCAL LIBRARY IN TO COLLECT BOOKS FOR CHILDREN WITHOUT BOOKS TO READ. TO CONCLUDE THIS PRESENTATION OF THE GARLIC NEWS COUNCIL HAS BEEN A PROGRAM THAT'S CREATED A LOT OF INFLUENCE. UH FOURTEEN'S WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN THIS FOR FOUR YEARS I'VE LEARNED A LOT BEING HERE, AND I APPRECIATE EVERY MOMENT THAT I'VE HAD BEING IN THIS COMMITTEE AND I HOPE THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR MEMBERS ALSO FEELS THAT WAY. AH WE'D LIKE TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR GIVING US THE ABILITY TO HONE OUR OUR THOUGHTS AND OUR DEVELOPMENTS TOWARDS LEADERSHIP. AND AS WELL AS BOND WITH YOU GUYS AS OUR CITIES FUNCTIONS. AS WE CONCLUDE THIS SEMESTER THAT WE HAVE. WE'RE STARTING TO TAKE OUR IDEAS AND KICKING IT INTO OVERDRIVE FOR THE NEXT SEMESTER, WHICH WOULD BE THE YEAR 2023. AGAIN WE LIKE TO GIVE A SPECIAL THANKS TO ALL OF YOU GUYS FOR ELECTING US TO BE HERE AND BE HERE TO PRESENT FOR YOU GUYS AS WELL AS THE SPECIAL THINGS TO OUR OWN, UH, SPONSOR, MR LISA MORALES FOR ALWAYS BEING THERE ALWAYS MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE WHAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO CREATE THESE GREAT THINGS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. VERY GOOD. VERY GOOD. WELL, WE WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR ALL OF YOUR PARTICIPATION AND ALL THE ACTIVITIES THAT HAVE GONE ON. I KNOW THAT. AH WE ONLY HAD FOUR RETURNING MEMBERS AND THEN YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR AND THE YEAR BEFORE YOU COULDN'T DO ANYTHING , SO NOW THERE'S CERTAINLY MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO PARTICIPATE IN THOSE ADVANCING, GETTING YOUR YOUR IN PERSON MEETINGS BACK ON SCHEDULE, SO THAT IS GREAT. I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE YOUTH COUNCIL WHILE THEY'RE ALL HERE. CANCER MORE. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR . I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY YOU ARE A BEAUTIFUL, DIVERSIFIED, MULTICULTURAL. GROUP OF YOUTH. AND WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE SERVICE THAT YOU PROVIDE TO AND FOR US. AND WE'RE JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO THE DAY. WHEN YOU WON'T BE STANDING OVER THERE, BUT YOU'LL BE SITTING BACK HERE IN THE SEATS AND HAVING TO RUN OUR CITY FOR US, ALISA. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH, BUT THEY WORKED IN YOUR SERVICE THAT YOU PROVIDE. SO GO FORWARD. MAKE A DIFFERENCE. THANK YOU SO MUCH, YOU KNOW. COUNCILOR LUCK. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE . AND IF THERE'S ANY TIME THAT THERE'S AN EVENT, YOU WOULD LIKE ME, ESPECIALLY TO ATTEND. I'M SURE SOME OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS FEEL THE SAME WAY. I'D LOVE AN INVITATION. ABSOLUTELY OF COURSE, WE'RE HERE TO SUPPORT YOU IN ANYTHING YOU NEED. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT ANYTIME YOU NEED SOMETHING. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. WELL AGAIN. THANK YOU ALL FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING AND KEEP DOING IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          [4.b. Garland Senior Activity Center Update]
ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP ITEM FOUR B. GARLAND SENIOR ACTIVITY CENTER UPDATE. I JUST REALIZED WE WENT FROM THE YOUTH COUNCIL TO THE SENIOR ACTIVITY CENTER IN TWO AGENDA ITEMS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS INTENTIONAL, OR ER. RIGHT, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UM I 
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WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH AND, UE PROMISED ON A HIGH LEVEL ANALYSIS OF THE TWO LOCATIONS THAT WE WERE ASKED TO STUDY FOR THE GARLAND SENIOR ACTIVITY CENTER. HANG ON. SO WE'RE WORKING ON. YOU CAN KEEP GOING, COUNSELOR WORKING ON GETTING THE PRESENTATION ON OUR MONITORS IN FRONT OF US. OKAY, GO AHEAD. AND YOU GENUINELY SORRY. RIGHT NOW WE'RE ON OUR MONITORS. WE'RE SEEING THAT SIDE OF WE'RE SEEING THAT SIDE OF THE ROOM IS WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE GETTING. THERE WE GO. WOW. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT. YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT OPINION CONTROL OF THE MEETING. 
          IT'S ONLY 6 21, AND WE'RE ALREADY OFF THE RAILS. OKAY QUICK ORIENTATION. WE, UH WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT A COUPLE DIFFERENT SITES SITE A IS ADJACENT TO THE CENTRAL LIBRARY JUST TO THE WEST OF IT. ON WALNUT AND GLENBROOK AND SITE B IS THE CURRENT LOCATION OF THE GARLAND SENIOR ACTIVITY CENTER. ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE A BY THE LIBRARY IS APPROXIMATELY 1.2 ACRES. IN SITE B EXISTING LOCATIONS, JUST A LITTLE OVER THREE ACRES. THIS IS WHAT THAT JUST HIGHLIGHTING THOSE PARCELS THAT ARE UP FOR CONSIDERATION AND UNDER OUR CONTROL FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS PROJECT. UM WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS ALSO JUST SUMMARIZE KIND OF WHAT WAS TALKED ABOUT IN THE MASTER PLAN AMONG STAFF AND WITH COUNCIL MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE SAME UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR PRIMARY CONSIDERATION. FACTORS ARE. AND THAT'S A COUPLE OF THINGS DESIGNING FOR TODAY'S CUSTOMERS. TODAY'S SENIORS THAT ARE THERE THAT WE KNOW, KNOW AND LOVE VERY WELL. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THEIR NEEDS ADDRESSED, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO PLAN FOR OUR FUTURE VISITORS, THE FUTURE GENERATION OF SENIORS . AND WHAT WILL THE WHAT WILL THAT LOOK LIKE? HOW THEY USE THAT FACILITY, SO WE FEEL LIKE BEING FLEXIBLE. MULTI USE IS IMPORTANT. WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PROGRAMMING AND BUILDING THE SIZE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE MASTER PLAN. UM AND ALL THE ACTIVITIES THAT THAT ARE . SENIORS HAVE TOLD US THAT THEY WOULD LIKE, AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT IT GIVES US A TARGET SQUARE FOOTAGE OF ABOUT PLUS OR MINUS 20,000 SQUARE FEET, AND WHAT THAT EQUATES TO IS ROUGHLY JUST A LITTLE UNDER HALF AN ACRE. THEN THE OTHER THING WE OBVIOUSLY WANTED TO CONSIDER AS THE VETERANS GARDEN AS ARE MENTIONED IN EARLIER MEETINGS. WE DID PRESERVE ALL OF THE PLAQUES ALL OF THE BRICKS ALL OF THE AMENITIES THAT GO WITH IT, AND WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO FIND SOME WAY TO INCORPORATE THAT AS WELL AS GO BEYOND ADD SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS TO THAT FOR THE VETERANS GARDEN BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS TO OUR CUSTOMERS. AND THEN SOME SECONDARY FACTORS ARE, YOU KNOW GENERALLY SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR SENIORS. YOU ALWAYS WANTED PROGRAM AND DESIGN FOR YOUR CUSTOMERS. SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE KNOW OUR MOBILITY CHALLENGES THINGS LIKE THAT. UM WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A DROP OFF ZONE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT A LOT OF OUR POPULATION IS PICKED UP WITH OUR BUS SYSTEM. BOTH FOR MEALS ON WHEELS AND JUST THE GENERAL TRIPS TO AND FROM THE CENTER, SO WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A WEATHER PROTECTED DROP OFF ZONE. PARKING IS ALSO IMPORTANT. WE DO HAVE FOLKS THAT THEY GET THERE BY THEMSELVES, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THREE OR FOUR SHUTTLE BUSSES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME DEDICATED PARKING FOR AND IDEALLY BE SECURED IN SOME FASHION. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE WE DID SOME VERY HIGH LEVEL PROS AND CONS ON SIDE A. OVER HERE NEXT TO THE TO THE LIBRARY. 
          YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IN GENERAL WHAT THAT BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE. WOULD IF IT WERE A SQUARE BUILDING, NOT AROUND BUILDING WOULD TAKE UP KIND OF WHERE I'M DRAWING MY LINE RIGHT HERE. IT WOULD GO ALMOST CURB TO CURB IN THAT 20,000 SQUARE FOOT. UNLESS, OF COURSE, YOU GO UP A SECOND LEVEL. SO UM, PROS, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT SOME BEAUTIFUL TREES TO WORK WITH, UM, CONNECTED TO DOWNTOWN IN THE LIBRARY. AND I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE BECAUSE YOU GUYS GOT THE PACKET AHEAD OF TIME AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT SOME OF THE CONS ARE RELATED RELATED TO A SMALL SITE. 
          MIGHT MEAN THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE A MULTI STORY BUILDING. PARKING IS A CHALLENGE. WITH THE EXPANSION OF THE LIBRARY TO THE WEST AS WELL, UM, ONCE THE PARKING CALCULATIONS ARE DONE, IT WOULD BE VERY LIKELY THAT POSSIBILITY OF PARKING GARAGE MIGHT BE NECESSARY HERE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. UM LIMITED OUTDOOR SPACE AND LIMITED SPACE FOR THE VETERANS GARDEN. REBUILD OR REDESIGN RE ENVISIONING. SITE B AGAIN. THIS IS A 33 ACRE LOCATION AND AGAIN NOTHING MAGIC 
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ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THIS. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SHOW KIND OF RELATIVE POSITIONING, SO THE VETERANS GARDEN COULD BE SOMEWHERE UP HERE. IT COULD BE OFF TO THE SIDE. BUT WE DID HEAR A FEW HERE FEEDBACK THAT PERHAPS NEXT TO AVENUE B, THE BUSY STREET MAYBE NOT IDEAL. THIS SITE PROVIDES SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THAT REGARD. BOTH ARE LOCATED NEXT TO A RAIL LINE. UM SO IT DOES PROVIDE SOME LIMITATIONS. AND SOME NOISE TO KIND OF DEAL WITH AND BOTH OF THOSE SITES. UM AND THAT'S IT FOR SITE BEING. AND THEN OUR NEXT STEPS WILL BE OBVIOUSLY TO TAKE COUNSEL FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION ON THIS PROJECT. UM WHICHEVER THAT MAYBE I FEEL LIKE THE CONSULTANT THE STAFF FOR CHOMPING AT THE BIT TO GET OUR OUR USER GROUP FEEDBACK . SO UM, THE SLIDES AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL, THERE WOULD BE LIKELY MORE THAN ONE MEETING THERE WILL BE SEVERAL. WE'D LIKE TO GO AND MEET THEM WHERE THEY ARE GOING. DO AND DO SOME FACILITATED MEETINGS WITH THEIR SENIORS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REALLY GATHERING THEIR INPUT ON WHAT THE FUTURE THAT FACILITY WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND THEN GET TO DRAWING. ANY QUESTIONS? VERY GOOD. THAT'S HER LOOK. MR HAZARD. UM. SO I'M I'M CURIOUS WHY SIDE WAS EVEN KIND OF AS CONSIDERATION SINCE IT DIDN'T REALLY MEET ANY OF THE MASTER PLAN REQUIREMENTS IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND WHY ANOTHER LOCATION WASN'T LOOKED AT YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS CONVERSATION GOES BACK A LITTLE BIT. AND SO MY MEMORY MAY BE A TAD FUZZY. BUT THERE WERE SEVERAL LOCATIONS THAT WERE THAT WERE THROWN OUT TO CONSIDER. I THINK COUNCIL BOILED THOSE DOWN TO US FOR US TO THESE TWO SPECIFIC SITES. UM I GUESS I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WHEN WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION THAT WAS WE WERE MAYBE LOOKING AT JUST ANOTHER LOCATION ENTIRELY. MAYBE OUTSIDE OF THE SQUARE. UM JUST A YOU KNOW SOMETHING ELSE THAT MIGHT ACCOMMODATE THOSE MASTER PLAN REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE THAT THAT SITE AGES DOESN'T SEEM TO FIT AT ALL. RIGHT I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW. EXCUSE ME. I'M FIGHTING A COLD HERE, SO I'M DOING MY BEST HERE, UM SO AGAIN. I THINK THAT WAS KIND OF THAT, AS WE HAD SEVERAL IDEAS THAT WERE ON THE TABLE AND SEVERAL, YOU KNOW. ANALYSES THAT WERE POSSIBLE. 
          THAT'S THAT'S THE TWO THAT I THINK WE'RE SETTLED ON AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL FOR US TO EXPLORE BECAUSE IT DID AT ONE TIME SEEMED TO GET KIND OF A NEBULOUS DISCUSSION. AND I THINK, UM THAT EFFORT WAS WHITTLED DOWN TO THESE TWO. OKAY? CUSTOMER, WILLIAMS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MARY. YOU AND YOU MENTIONED NUMBER UP. YOU MENTIONED USER GROUPS. SO THIS HIGH LEVEL THIS DOES NOT THAT'S STILL YET TO BE. BE DONE RIGHT GETTING THEIR INPUT CORRECT SO THAT THAT'S THE VERY FIRST STEP WITH OUR CONSULTANT. ONCE THEY'RE IN. THEY'RE CURRENTLY UNDER CONTRACT AND THIS IS STEP ONE IS TO NAIL DOWN THE LOCATION ONCE THAT'S DONE THAT WILL GUIDE THERE. UM CUSTOMER INPUT PROCESS OR STAKEHOLDER PROCESS. THERE WOULD BE A VARIETY OF OPPORTUNITIES BOTH IN PUBLIC MEETINGS AS WELL AS FACILITATED. WE WOULD LIKE TO GO TO. CURRENTLY MOST OF OUR SENIORS ARE HOUSED AT FIELDS REC CENTER, SO WE KNOW WE'VE GOT AN AUDIENCE THERE THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO GIVE THEIR FEEDBACK AND FACILITATED MEETING. IF THERE'S OTHERS THAT ARE NOT AT THAT FACILITY. WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE, AND WE CAN IDENTIFY A WAY TO BRING THEM IN AS WELL. OKAY AND IN ADDITION TO OUR EXISTING WAS, WE ARE SENIOR SENIOR CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMISSION. OR OUR REPRESENTATIVES. AND THE FOLKS WHO ALREADY GUILT FEAR FEELS. ANY THOUGHTS, AND MAYBE THIS IS JUST A NOTE FOR AND TALK WITH THE CONSULTANT. UM, EXTENDING THAT OUTREACH. SO THAT CITIZENS SENIORS FROM ALL AREAS OF THE CITY AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED PUBLIC MEETINGS. SINCE IT'S PROBABLY MEETINGS FOR MOST SENTENCE, MOST SENIOR SELVES MEETINGS WILL NEED TO BE IN THE DAYTIME. THEY'VE SEEN INSIDE. NO, DON'T DO A LOT OF ACTIVITY AT NIGHT, PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY HAVE TO DRIVE. SO I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE SENSITIVE TO THAT. BUT YES, SIR. BUT BEYOND THAT, UM. ARE YOU PLANNING ANY OTHER OUTREACH DIRECTLY SO THAT WE COULD, WE COULD AT LEAST A PENETRATION. THAT WE WOULD GIVE SENIORS ACROSS THE CITY AND OPPORTUNITY WHETHER SHE LIKED CHRONICALLY OR BY MAIL OR SOMETHING OUT. I THINK THAT THIS IS VERY CRITICAL. TO THE ENTIRE CITY. SO IF YOU CAN KIND OF PUT THAT ON YOUR ON YOUR SHEET DIDN'T MAKE SURE THAT THAT WHATEVER THE FINAL PRODUCT IS, IT COMES UP WITH THAT. IT'S REFLECTIVE. THE SENTIMENTS OF OUR OF OUR SENIORS ACROSS THE CITY. SO ANY THOUGHTS? ABSOLUTELY. AND I CAN ANSWER 
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THAT, TOO, IS THAT WE DO AND I DID NOT PROVIDE IT ON THIS SLIDE BECAUSE IT WAS IN A PREVIOUS, UM, PRESENTATION. WE DO HAVE A GREAT OUTLINE TO START THAT PROCESS WHERE THERE'S SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR SENIORS TO PARTICIPATE IN VARIOUS WAYS. SO WE'VE GOT THAT IT'LL BE FLESHED OUT A LITTLE MORE DETAIL WITH THE CONSULTANT. WE'D EVEN TALKED ABOUT ONCE WE DO. A FEW FOCUS GROUPS WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA TO TAKE SOME OF THOSE FOLKS FROM THE SENIOR ADVISORY GROUP ALSO FROM OUR CUSTOMER BASE THAT HAVE AN INTEREST AND DO A TOUR OF VARIOUS SITES BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT HELPS THEM TO SEE WHAT THOSE CUTTING EDGE FACILITIES LOOK LIKE AND GET DOWN TO THE DETAILS OF WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN. SO WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE. THAN WHAT I'M SHOWING ON THIS SLIDE PLAN AND WILL CONTINUE TO ADDRESS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. CAN YOU GO BACK? A COUPLE OF SLIDES WHERE YOU HAD THE LISTING OF ITEMS. YEAH, THAT ONE, YOU KNOW. GO BACK TO THAT ONE. YES, SIR. CONSIDERATION. UM. WORLD WOULD WHAT WOULD I T FOLD? TECHNOLOGY FOLLOWED. ON THAT LIST FOR SENIOR CITIZENS. SO IF IT WERE ME, I WOULD PUT THAT UNDER THE SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR SENIORS, AND SO WE DO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE LET THE CONSULTANT THAT WE'VE CONTRACTED WITH HAS IN THEIR CONTRACT, A PROGRAMMING PHASE AND IN THAT PROGRAMMING IS WHERE THEY THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT SERVICES ACTIVITIES PROGRAMS OPPORTUNITIES ARE WE GOING TO PROVIDE FOR THE CUSTOMERS? AND SO THAT'S WHEN WE START LOOKING AT? WHAT DO THEY WANT IN THAT BUILDING, AND THEN THEY LOOK AT CREATIVE WAYS TO PROVIDE THAT AND I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT. TECHNOLOGY IS BOTH FROM A CONNECTION TO THE FAMILY AS WELL AS YOU KNOW, AN EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY. THOSE ARE ALL VERY GEARED FOR SENIORS, AND WE DO SOME OF THAT PROGRAMMING NOW. THIS NEW FACILITY, I THINK ONLY ENHANCES THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND MY LIFE'S HERMAN IS IN CONSIDERATION AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS. UH WITHOUT WITH WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE SQUARE DOWNTOWN. ABILITY. YOU KNOW HOW WE EAT? HOW EASY OR CHALLENGE WILL IT BE FOR THEM TO TWO IF THEY ON A NICE, SUNNY DAY TO THEY WANTED TO DOWNTOWN. AND THE OTHER ITEM WOULD BE SAFETY INSECURITY LIKE TO SEE THAT ON THAT LIST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, SIR. MAYOR PRO TIM MORRIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM. I HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH OUR SENIORS AND HAVE HEARD A LOT OF THINGS AND I HAVE TO SAY, UM SEEING THE TWO SITES THAT COUNCIL HAD DIRECTED, UM THE FOCUS TO BE ON THE OUR SENIORS OVERWHELMINGLY WANTED TO STAY ON THE SAME SITE. SO UM, EVEN THOUGH SOME OF US REALLY LOVED THE IDEA OF HAVING IT, UM BE CLOSER TO CENTRAL LIBRARY WITH SENIOR PROGRAMMING AND THE HERITAGE MUSEUM. THE SENIORS WERE NOT IMPRESSED WITH OUR LOGIC, SO I'M I'M VERY HAPPY WITH THE WHAT LOOKS LIKE THE MOST LOGICAL DECISION TO USE SITE B AND REBUILD ON THE SAME SITE. UM AND YEAH, AND HOPEFULLY HAVE THE VETERANS GARDEN POSITIONED. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT POSITIONED OUT WHERE IT'S MORE ACCESSIBLE INSTEAD OF BEING HIDDEN BEHIND THE CENTER, SO A LOT MORE VETERANS WOULD ACTUALLY BE AWARE WAS THERE BUT THAT WILL BE PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS. 
          UM AND COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS HAD ALREADY MENTIONED THIS, BUT, UM , I'VE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF THE SENIORS ASKING, ARE WE GOING TO GET TO GIVE INPUT ABOUT THE AMENITIES WE WANT AND I THINK ANY OF US WHO HAVE DEALT WITH THE SENIORS MORE THAN ONCE OR TWICE. I'VE HEARD THEY WANT AN INDOOR POOL, HEATED AND LOVELY, AND WHATEVER THAT MEANS, AND, UH AND THEY, SOME OF THEM NOT AS MANY AS THE POOL, BUT SOME OF THEM WOULD ALSO LIKE A PICKLE BALL COURT. SO UM, BUT THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF OTHER SENIORS THAT WENT ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS. SO I'M THINKING BACK TO WHEN YOU, UM WITH THE TENNIS CENTER. AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF TUCKER VILLE, AND YOU TOOK COMMITTEE OUT AND DID JUST WHAT YOU MENTIONED TOOK THEM ON BUSSES TO TOUR, OTHER FACILITIES AND OTHER CITIES. AND THAT WAS SUCH AN OUTSTANDING, UM, RESULT WITH WHAT YOU CAME BACK WITH ABOUT THE DESIGN ABOUT THE AMENITIES ABOUT THE USAGE. UM I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. UM AS YOU SAID WITH PULLING IN OUR SENIORS AND AGAIN FROM CITYWIDE PUTTING OUT AN ALCOHOL BRING ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED AND DO THE SAME THING AND HOPEFULLY HAVE JUST AS OUTSTANDING A RESULT AS YOU DID WITH, UM TUCKER BILL, SO ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM SMITH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ANDY. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TAKING A LITTLE EXTRA TIME ON THIS AND INVOLVING THE CONSULTANT. AND RUNNING ENOUGH OF THE NUMBERS ON SIDE A TO REALIZE THAT IT HAD SOME MAJOR LIMITATIONS. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T JUST DISCARDED OUT OF HAND WITHOUT 
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KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, AND YOU GUYS DID A GREAT JOB OF FLUSHING THAT OUT. UM, AT THE CURRENT SITE. DEMOLITION AND REBUILD WHAT'S ARE EXPECTED DELIVERY DATE ON A NEW BUILDING. 25 OR 24. I MAY HAVE TO GET BACK TO COUNCIL ON THAT. I DON'T WANT TO BE MISQUOTED ON THAT TIMELINE. LATE 25 WOULD BE THE RELATIONSHIP, 25 WILL BE PROBABLY PUSHING ANOTHER BOND PACKAGE AT THAT POINT, SO LIKE THE INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY TO SEE HIS EARS PERK UP JUST WHEN YOU SAID THAT, JUST JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU KNOW, SOUTH MARYLAND HAS SOME PRETTY SERIOUS NEEDS THERE, TOO. AND I KNOW WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT IT AND HINTED AT IT EVEN TONIGHT, SO HANG ON TO YOUR NOTES BECAUSE WHETHER I'M ON COUNCIL OR NOT, I'LL COME BACK AND BE PUSHING FOR TO GET US A SENIOR CENTER AND SOUTH GARLAND. UM I THINK THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. EVERYBODY ELSE HAS COVERED EVERYTHING I THOUGHT OF, SO WE APPRECIATE THE WORK AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEW CENTER AND 2025. VERY GOOD. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I WAS VERY INTRIGUED BY THE LIBRARY SITE. UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S JUST TOO SMALL. I MEAN, IF IT WERE THE IF IT WERE THE SIZE OF THE CURRENT SITE, ABSOLUTELY. IT'S A SLAM DUNK THAT WE DO IT. WITH THE LIBRARY AND THE LANDMARK MUSEUM AND ALL THOSE PIECES START WORKING TOGETHER THAT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FANTASTIC. UM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THE SITE IS ONLY AS BIG AS IT IS, UM AND SO AT THIS POINT, I MEAN, YOU'VE WE'VE ALL SEEN THE EVALUATIONS FOR A AND B. I DO BELIEVE THAT B IS THE IS THE APPROPRIATE SITE CONSENSUS. I BELIEVE BE. IT IS, SIR. RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WE APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK AND WE'LL GET TO WORK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT TONIGHT, UH, 
          [4.c. Administrative Services Committee Update]
REMAINDER OF THIS AGENDA IS COMMITTEE REPORTS FOR THE MOST PART SO WE WILL START OFF NOW WITH FOUR C ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES COMMITTEE UPDATE DEPUTY MAYOR SMITH. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SMITH. EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM THIS IS A SECOND LOOK AT THE COUNCIL POLICIES REVISED THROUGH THE COMMITTEE PROCESS THIS YEAR. UM, WE TALKED ABOUT IT A FEW MONTHS AGO. WE WILL EVERYBODY SLEEP ON IT AND WE'RE BACK. WE'VE GOT A SHORT PRESENTATION FOR YOU, ALONG WITH KIND OF A LIST AT THE END OF THE CHANGES THAT WE CAN JUST SIT AND GET CONSENSUS ON. SO I'LL HAND THIS OVER TO CITY ATTORNEY BRIAN ENGLAND. I THINK MR ENGLAND AMENDED THAT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT SORT OF SUBJECT BY SUBJECT, SO TO SPEAK, HOWEVER, YOU WANT TO DO IT LIST ABOUT EVERY THIRD SLIDE. WE'LL DO A WELL, IT'S FRESH ON EVERYBODY'S MIND WILL DO IT. WHATEVER GETS US OUT OF HERE BEFORE MIDNIGHT. I'M I'M ON BOARD. I THINK WE CAN DO THIS. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WE'LL GET OUT OF HERE BEFORE MIDNIGHT. YEAH. THE COMMITTEE DID A GOOD JOB, A THOROUGH JOB OF GOING THROUGH OUR THROUGH YOUR COUNCIL POLICIES, AND AS A RESULT, THERE WERE AS AS YOU ALL MAY HAVE SEEN AS YOU CAN REVIEW THE MATERIALS . THERE WERE A LOT OF CHANGES, SOME OF THEM SUBSTANTIVE IN NATURE, SOME OF THEM MORE SCRIBNER IN NATURE AND JUST UPDATING. SOME LANGUAGE, UPDATING SOME TECHNOLOGY TAKING SOME STUFF OUT THAT'S NOT COVERED IN THE G. D. C WITH RECENT GDC AMENDMENTS, EVEN ONE THING, EVEN ONE ITEM THAT WAS COVERED BY STATE LAW. SO WHAT I DECIDED TO DO IN THIS PARTICULAR PRESENTATION. THIS IS A NO WAY LIMITING Y'ALL'S EFFORT OR DESIRE TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING WITHIN THE POLICY BECAUSE YOU'LL CERTAINLY THIS IS THE TIME TO DO THAT, BUT AS A WAY TO BE EFFICIENT WITH Y'ALL'S TIME AND EVERYONE'S TIME I USED MY OWN JUDGMENT AND TRIED TO PINPOINT THE ITEMS OF THAT. THINK THAT Y'ALL ARE GONNA HAVE THE MOST INTERESTING, INTERESTING BASED ON CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH YOU ALL AND HOPEFULLY THERE WILL BE A MORE EFFICIENT AND LIKE I SAID, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IN THE POLICY THAT CERTAINLY DOES NOT LIMIT HIS ABILITY TO DO THAT. IF YOU GO TO PAGE FOUR IN THE HARD COPY THAT I HAND YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE THE FIRST REAL SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE. AND THIS ISN'T ISN'T SOMETHING THAT APPEARS ON ITS FACE TO BE TO MEANINGFUL. 
          CURRENTLY, THE POLICY SAYS THAT ALL COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS ARE TO BE RECORDED, AND THE CITY SECRETARY KEEPS THOSE AND POST THOSE ONLINE. IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS OR SO. WE'VE HAD SOME CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION RECORDINGS BEING PLACED ONLINE THAT INVOLVED DISCIPLINE ISSUES WITH POLICE OFFICERS. AND THEN THOSE RECORDINGS WERE USED AS SOURCE MATERIAL FOR NEWSPAPER 
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ARTICLES AND OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA MEDIA ARTICLES, AND THESE WOULD STILL REMAIN PUBLIC UNDER THIS NEW POLICY RECOMMENDED BY THE COMMITTEE. THOSE WOULD STILL REMAIN PUBLIC. SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO CALL AND ASK FOR COPIES OF THOSE AUDIO RECORDINGS, THEY'D BE ABLE TO DO THAT. BUT THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE DOES IS IT DOES NOT MAKE IT READILY AVAILABLE AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE DISCIPLINE ISSUES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION, SOMETIMES WITH POLICE OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH DISCIPLINE THAT THAT HASN'T BEEN FINALLY ADJUDICATED. THEY STILL HAVE THE RIGHT AFTER THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION TO GO BEFORE A HEARING OFFICER AND MAKE IT FINAL DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT DISCIPLINE WILL BE UPHELD OR NOT, AND SO BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN FINALLY ADJUDICATED, THE COMMITTEE FELT THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO NOT PUBLISH THOSE ONLINE AT LEAST AT THE POINT ONCE THAT THE AT LEAST NOT IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE MEETING, LIKE WE DO ON THE OTHER COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS AND YOU'LL SEE ON THIS. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT J TWO TALKS ABOUT. 
          IT ACCEPTS EXECUTIVE SESSION PROCEEDINGS OF Y'ALL AND ALSO THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION. SO THIS NEXT SLIDE IS A IS A PROMPT TO GET A CONSENSUS VOTE FROM YOU GUYS ON WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AND DISCUSSION ON WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. COUNCILOR BESS. THAT WOULD BE UNANIMOUS ON THE YES. I'M SORRY. I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE READ THAT RECORDING MEETINGS AS PRESENTED. YES JUST SO WE'RE ALL CLEAR THEY WERE ALL NOT GIVING A THUMBS UP FOR DIFFERENT THINGS FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. THE NEXT ITEM IS GONNA BE A LITTLE LONGER. IT'S UM GENERAL ROLES FOR CONDUCTING COUNCIL MEETING SOME PAGE SEVEN. AND IT'S TALKING ABOUT CHANGES TO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THERE IS A FLOOR AMENDMENT AT A COUNCIL MEETING WHAT A FLOOR AMENDMENT IS. WHAT THE COMMITTEE WAS TRYING TO REACH FOR HERE IS THE INSTANCES WHERE AN ITEM OR A ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION HAS COME BEFORE COUNCIL. YOU ALL HAVE DEBATED AND DISCUSSED IT. PROBABLY IN COMMITTEE. FREQUENTLY IN COMMITTEE DEFINITELY IN WORK SESSION, AND THEN IT GETS TO COUNSEL, A REGULAR MEETING, COUNCIL AND COUNCIL TAKES A FINAL VOTE ON IT. BUT BEFORE THAT, THERE'S A FLOOR AMENDMENT TO WHAT WAS AGREED UPON BY CONSENSUS IN THE WORK SESSION. AND SO THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT THE COMMITTEE CAME UP WITH AND HOW TO DEAL WITH WHAT THEY'RE CALLING FLOOR AMENDMENTS. THE FIRST ONE, OF COURSE, IS THE OPTION IS NO CHANGE AT ALL RIGHT NOW. COUNCIL POLICY DOESN'T ADDRESS FLOOR AMENDMENTS. WHEN SOMEONE WANTS TO ADMIT SOMETHING ON THE FLOOR AFTER IT'S BEEN THROUGH A COMMITTEE, MAYBE MAYBE A COMMITTEE AND DEFINITELY THE WORK SESSION AND SOMEONE MAKES A CHANGE ON THE NIGHT OF THE FINAL VOTE. IT JUST GETS MADE, AND WE WORKED THROUGH IT THERE AT THE TIME. SO THE FIRST OPTION, OF COURSE, IS NO CHANGE AT ALL. 
          SECOND OPTION. IS THIS OCCURS WHEN A COUNCIL MEMBER DESIRES TO MAKE A SUBSTANTIVE FLOOR AMENDMENT. AND ITS SUBSTANTIVE FLOOR AMENDMENT WOULD BE DETERMINED BY THE MAYOR. OR, UM, UM AND ONCE A COUNCIL MEMBER DECIDES TO DO THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT STATES THE SUBSTANCE OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT. AND THEN THE MOTION WILL HAVE TO RECEIVE A SECOND TO BE CONSIDERED. AND IF THERE IS NO SECOND, THE FLOOR AMENDMENT SHALL NOT BE CONSIDERED. YOU'LL JUST VOTE ON THE ITEM IS PRESENTED IN THE AGENDA. THAT'S PART OF OPTION TWO ALSO, AND THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS WITHIN OPTION, TOO. TWO EGGS OR PARAGRAPH TWO B. IN THE EVENT THAT EMOTION DOES A MOTION FOR A FORMAT DOES RECEIVE A SECOND. IN THIS CASE WITH OPTION TWO. A THE MATTER WOULD AUTOMATICALLY COME BACK TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING. AND SO IF THERE IS A FLOOR AMENDMENT AND THERE IS A VOTE TO YES, WE'LL ALLOW A FLOOR MINUTE THEN THAT MATTER UNDER OPTION TWO. A IT JUST MEANS THAT THAT PARTICULAR MATTER WILL COME BACK TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING FOR A FINAL VOTE THAT GIVES A CHILLING PERIOD FOR THE COUNCIL TO STEP AWAY CONSIDERED THE FLOOR AMENDMENT ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF IF NECESSARY, AND THEN THE NEXT MEETING AS IT COMES UP, YOU CAN VOTE ON IT. OPTION TO BE A SIMILAR TO THAT. WE'RE ACTUALLY OPTION TO BE IS, IS WHAT HAPPENS IF A FLOOR AMENDMENT RECEIVES A SECOND. THE COUNCIL SHOULD TAKE A VOTE ON THE AMENDED RESOLUTION. AND, UM UM. IF PASSED THE RESOLUTION ORDINANCE MATTER OR ITEMS SHE'LL COME BACK BEFORE COUNCIL DURING THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING FOR FINAL VOTE. 
          UNLESS IT'S OTHERWISE STATED IN THE MOTION. THE APPROVAL RECEIVED A TWO THIRDS VOTE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT, SO IF YOU HAVE A FLOOR AMENDMENT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT HAS TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS. IT JUST MEANS THAT IF IT PASSES BY TWO THIRDS OR MORE, YOU CAN ACTUALLY PASS IT OUT OF COUNCIL THAT NIGHT, BUT IT TAKES A TWO THIRDS VOTE TO PASS IT OUT THAT NIGHT.. 
          IT COMES BACK IN TWO WEEKS UNDER OPTION TWO A AND TWO B THERE. AND THEN NUMBER THREE. AN OPTION 
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TO STILL YEAH. IT CLARIFIES THAT PARTICULAR ROLE THAT YOU MADE BY TWO THIRDS MAJORITY VOTE. WAVE THE TWO STEP PROCEDURE AND TAKE A FINAL VOTE ON THE SUBSTANCE AND FORM OF THE RESOLUTION. I REMEMBER THE REASON WE CALL IT TWO STEPS. IT'S KIND OF LIKE VOTE. IT'S KIND OF LIKE AN ORDINANCE IS WHERE OUR ZONING ORDINANCES WHERE Y'ALL VOTE ON HIS OWN ZONING OR LAND USE, BUT IT COMES BACK FOR FINAL APPROVAL TWO WEEKS LATER, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S CLARIFYING IN THREE. THIS IS SOMEONE VERY SIMILAR TO THAT PROCESS. BUT OF COURSE, THE NUMBER FOUR. IT ALSO CLARIFIES THE AFOREMENTIONED TWO STEP PROCESS DOES NOT APPLY TO NON SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES OR MATTERS IN WHICH DELAY UNTIL UNTIL THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING RESULT IN VIOLATION OF A DEADLINE SET BY LAW. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT OPTION TO NOT HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. IT'S QUITE A PROCEDURE. THAT IS THAT IS YEAH, THAT IS REALLY CONVOLUTED. UM, YOU KNOW OF. I HAVE SOME COMMENTS ON THIS AT THE END PART OF THE PRESENTATION. I MEAN, YEAH. I MEAN, THAT IS REALLY VERY MESSY AND JUST TOO MANY STEPS. QUITE FRANKLY, THERE'S A LOT OF STEPS IN THERE FOR OKAY. COUNCILOR WILLIAMS. MARY YOU'VE STOLEN MOST OF MY THUNDER UP. OH, UM I'M KIND OF A ROBERT RULE SKY AND I LIKED IT JUST SMOKE OUT OF THE ROOM. CITY ATTORNEY TO CHILD WHICH ONE OF THE OPTIONS I THINK YOU SAID THERE WAS THREE OR WE TALK ABOUT THE COOLING OFF PERIOD. THERE'S BEEN NONE OF SINCE SINCE I'VE BEEN AROUND IF SOMEONE ELSE IS AN AMENDMENT AND IT GETS TWO THIRDS MAJORITY RATE . IT CAN BE DISPOSED OF ON THAT PARTICULAR AT THAT PARTICULAR MEETING, CORRECT. OKAY I THINK I THINK IT'S A YES YOU'RE CORRECT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING AND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS TRYING TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION. I'M TRYING TO BE CLEAR IN MY HEAD. THAT DISTINCTION IS MERELY ADDRESSING ITEMS. SO YOU'RE YOU'RE DESCRIBING AN AMENDMENT TO EMOTION THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED BEFORE THE BODY. SOMEONE ELSE COMES IN BEHIND THAT AND ASKED TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT MOTION. THIS IS ADDRESSING THE MATTER. AND WHEN YOU HAVE A MATTER THAT'S COME BEFORE Y'ALL , FOR EXAMPLE, UM, LET'S GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF THE SENIOR CITIZENS, THE SENIOR CITIZEN CENTER. IT COMES BEFORE Y'ALL Y'ALL VOTE ON A FINAL PLAN OR YOU'LL GIVE CONSENSUS AND WORK SESSION ON THE FINAL PLAN. AND THEN THE NEXT NIGHT OR TWO WEEKS LATER, IT COMES BEFORE COUNCIL AND REGULAR MEETING FOR A FINAL VOTE. AND IN THAT REGULAR MEETING BEFORE IT BECOMES A FINAL VOTE, SOMEONE DECIDES TO MAKE A FLOOR AMENDMENT SOMEONE DECIDES TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT THAT NIGHT THE SAME NIGHT YOU'RE TAKING A FINAL VOTE TO CHANGE WHAT Y'ALL REACHED A CONSENSUS ON PRIOR WORK SESSION, SO THAT'S WHAT THIS POLICY IS TRYING TO ADDRESS. OKAY? OKAY SO THAT WELL, THAT IS, IF I'M NOT CULPRIT. AND I ORDERED THAT. THE COUNCIL FIRST VOTES ON THE AMENDMENTS CORRECT. IF THERE'S A STANDING MOTION THAT IS CORRECT VOTE, THE FIRST WILL VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT OR DOWN CORRECT AND IT'S CORRECT. YES AND THEN YOU COME BACK AND YOU VOTE ON THE MAIN MOTION, RIGHT? WELL IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT OF FLOOR AMENDMENT RIGHT COUNCIL WOULD VOTE ON THE FLOOR MINUTE AMENDMENT IF IT RECEIVES A MAJORITY VOTE THAN THE COUNCIL CAN THEN. WELL THEN VOTE ON THAT AMENDMENT AMENDMENT WILL STAND AND THAT THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE A VOTE VOTE. IF IT'S TWO THIRDS THE COUNCIL CAN ELECT TO GO AHEAD AND PASS IT OUT THAT NIGHT. BUT IF IT'S NOT TWO THIRDS VOTE, THEN THEY COULD BRING IT BACK IN TWO WEEKS AND TAKE A FINAL VOTE ON IT. YOUR QUICK OKAY. WELL, I'LL WAIT RESTLESS PRESENTATION, BUT I'M JUST I THINK YOU KNOW FROM THAT. I CAN YOU KNOW IF YOU CAN DISPENSE WITH THE MATTER, AND YOU KNOW THIS COOLING OFF PERIOD YOU KNOW, WITH MOST IN MOST INSTANCES, IF YOU FOLLOW ROBERT ROLLERS YOU CAN. YOU CAN JUST DISPENSE WITH AN ITEM AT THAT PARTICULAR MEETING. BUT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF ROBERT. THAT'S ROBERT ROLES DOESN'T ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, AND I KNOW IT DOESN'T AND SO I DON'T WANT TO. AND MAYBE MAYBE LET'S JUST, UH, DEPUTY PROTEIN WILL CLARIFY THIS FOR US. BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS AND I'LL BE QUIET IS I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE WHY BEHIND THIS. DO WE NOT HAVE TOOLS TO DEAL WITH THIS NOW? IN THE WAY, SO I'LL BE QUIET INITIATIVE. THE EXPLANATION. I LET THE CHANGE, SIR. ALL RIGHT. 
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HANG ON. WE'LL GET THERE SHORTLY. COUNSELOR BASS. YEAH THIS IS IT'S UM. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE PRETENSE BEHIND IT, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S KIND OF CONVOLUTED HERE. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE IT'S REMINDED ME OF A RULE RUBE GOLDBERG. YOU KNOW, LITTLE DIAGRAM GOING ON HERE SO UM. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, I MEAN, IS THIS WHO WROTE THIS? YEAH OH, YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE OF MY I'M CURIOUS, RIGHT? YOU WROTE IT RIGHT? I DID WRITE IT. SO I MEAN, I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD, LIKE, SCOTT, HELP YOU OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, LOUIS, BUT NOT YOU DON'T DRAG ME INTO THIS. SO WHY IS IT WHY IS IT WHY IS IT SO WHY DOES IT FEEL SO? SO IT'S A COMPLICATED PROCESS. I DIDN'T COME UP WITH THE PROCESS JUST FOR THE RECORD RIGHT SO THAT PUT THE PROCESS ON PAPER. YEAH IT'S UH, IT'S A COMPLICATED PROCESS, AND IT'S UM AND MUCH OF WHAT WE DO AS LAWYERS. WE PUT LOTS OF WORDS ON PAPER THAT SEEMS CONVOLUTED. YEAH YOU DO THE BALANCE BETWEEN CONVOLUTED AND ALSO PRECISE ENOUGH TO BE FOLLOWED IN, UM, ANSWER ANYTHING KIND OF ANTICIPATE ISSUES THAT MAY COME UP. AND SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHY I'M SAYING IT'S CONVOLUTED. YOU FEEL THAT THIS IS A GOOD BALANCE SO THAT IT'S NOT? NO I DIDN'T SAY THAT. I DON'T STAND BEHIND MY WORK AT ALL. DID YOU? DID YOU HAPPEN TO COVER THAT WHEN YOU WERE ADDRESSING THE YOUTH COUNCIL? I DIDN'T OH, UM I GUESS I KIND OF JUST WANT TO GIVE MY OPINION AND KIND OF SEE WHERE THIS CAME FROM A REALLY WANTED TO KNOW WHERE IT REALLY CAME FROM, RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE WAS JUST JUST COPIED FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. NO, NO, I REGRET NOT PLAGIARIZING THIS AT THIS POINT. TO BE HONEST, I WISH I COULD SAY THAT I PLAGIARIZED IT . IT CAME FROM THE SIX INCHES BETWEEN MY EARS. I'M AFRAID I WILL. I'LL ABSTAIN FROM ANYTHING ELSE. THANK YOU. MAYOR CANCER MORE THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. UH, UNTIL. ATTORNEY SAID THAT HE DOESN'T STAND BY HIS WORK. I THOUGHT ABOUT GETTING OUT OF THE QUEUE, BUT, UH. AND I DON'T WANT TO STEAL ANY OF OUR CHAIRS UNDER EITHER. BECAUSE HE'S A BUT I THINK THAT WHEN WE TOOK A LOT OF TIME WITH THIS, THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT JUST UH YOU KNOW, WE JUST PULL OUT OF MIDAIR BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT BECAUSE OF THIS PROCESS COMING FROM THE FLOOR WE JUST FELT THAT WE LOOKED AROUND THE ROOM AT DIFFERENT COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE AT LEAST SOME TIME. TO CONTEMPLATE TO THINK ABOUT TO TRULY ADDRESS BECAUSE AFTER WE'VE DONE IT WORK SESSIONS SUCH AS WE'VE DONE HERE TONIGHT. AND WE ALL COME TO AGREEMENT. AND THEN WE GET ON THE FLOOR AND WE GET AN AMENDMENT. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT THAT NIGHT, OFTENTIMES. TO DIGEST WHAT HAS JUST HAPPENED. 
          AND SO THAT WAS THE REASON THAT WE DECIDED LET'S GO WITH GIVING AT LEAST TWO WEEKS OR THE NEXT MEETING. BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE CAN SIMPLIFY IT VERY EASY. TAKE THE TWO WEEK OUT OF IT AND GO WITH THE REGULAR VOTE. AND WE WOULD JUST HAVE A TWO THIRDS BECAUSE IT'S COMING FROM THE FLOOR AGAIN. OR IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GO WITH THE ONE GO WITH THE MAJORITY VOTE. IT'S OKAY WITH US. WE WERE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING, THOUGH, THAT WE FELT THAT COUNCIL WOULD BE ABLE TO APPRECIATE FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF GIVING YOU OPPORTUNITY TO DIGEST. SO WITH THAT, I JUST SAY THAT JUST LIKE YOU SAY, WHO WROTE THIS? HE WROTE IT BECAUSE IN COMMITTEE WE GAVE HIM SOMETHING THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE REALLY COMPLEMENTARY TO THE COUNCIL, BUT IT'LL BE JUST AS EASY TO GO THE OTHER ROUTE. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. VERY GOOD CUSTOMER LOOK. WELL AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE OPTIONS. I CIRCLED OPTION TO BE AS MY CHOICE. I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THE OPTION OF AND YOU KNOW, A TIME A LONG TIME PERIOD AND OR THAT NIGHT MAKING A DECISION. IT GIVES US BOTH OPPORTUNITIES. AND SINCE THIS ADDRESS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE POLICY FOR, UM I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH IT. AND I DON'T THINK I KNOW IT'S I DON'T THINK IT'S AS CONVOLUTED AS IT SEEMS HEARING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME, 
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BUT JUST I MEAN, I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SMITH. BECAUSE THIS OUT I DO HAVE AN OPTION THREE. BY THE WAY, JUST SO WE KNOW LET ME LET ME JUST ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ON WHERE THIS CAME FROM GIVING AN EXAMPLE AND PRETEND I'M GOING TO USE AN OLD THING THAT WE DID IS KIND OF THE STRAW MAN EXAMPLE FOR THIS, UM ONCE UPON A TIME WE HAD A VOTE ABOUT I MAY GET THIS WRONG. I THINK IT WAS B AND BS. AND ONE OF THE FOUR AMENDMENTS THAT CAME IN AT THE VERY END WAS HEY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT FAMILY MEMBERS AREN'T COUNTED AS TENANTS. SO IF YOU HAVE A COUSIN COMING INTO TOWN STAYING AT YOUR HOME, IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT AN AIRBNB OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE REALIZED AFTERWARDS DUE TO THE LANGUAGE THAT GOT FOR HIM ENDED IN THAT WE HADN'T CONSIDERED A FEW THINGS LIKE DEGREES OF CON SANGUINE UNITY AND DEFINING WHAT A FAMILY MEMBER WAS. AND IT ENDED UP BEING LEGISLATION THAT COULD HAVE BEEN WRITTEN BETTER. AND SO ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT PROMPTED IT WAS WELL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS PERFECTING THIS TWO WEEK PROCESS THAT'S COOL DOWN WHERE WE SEE ZONING CASES ON THE NEXT CONSENT AGENDA. AND COULD WE USE THOSE TWO WEEKS TO REFINE AND PERFECT THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS INTENDED AT THE TIME THAT WE AMENDED SOMETHING ON THE FLOOR SO WE COULD WE COULD PUT A COOL DOWN IN THERE. SO OKAY, GREAT. WELL, IF WE PUT A COOL DOWN IN THERE, WHAT IF WE HAVE A MAJOR ISSUE LIKE A BUDGETARY NEED? THAT CAN'T WAIT TWO WEEKS, SO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO OVERRIDE THAT . AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS FIND SOME COMPROMISE OF UM, GIVING THE COUNCIL OF BUILT IN COOL DOWN TIMER WITHOUT STRIPPING OUR ABILITY TO PASS LEGISLATION IMMEDIATELY. THAT MIGHT HAVE A MUCH MORE SEVERE IMPACT. SO THIS IS WHERE A LOT OF THIS CAME FROM, AND IT IS A VERY ENGINEERED FORM OF ORDINANCE AND RUBE GOLDBERG ISN'T FAR OFF THE MARK. I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY GOOD, ACTUALLY, UM, AND SO THAT THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEA. UM YOU KNOW, WE PUT IN A COUPLE OF OPTIONS FOR HEY, DO WE WANT TO WAIT TWO WEEKS AND BIFURCATED LIKE ZONING? DO WE WANT IT TO HAVE A 30 DAY? COOL DOWN JUST IN GENERAL. YOU KNOW IF WE PASS A NEW LAW SHOULD SHOULD THERE BE BUILT IN DELAY TO WHERE WE HAVE TIME TO INFORM THE CITY THE CITIZENS ABOUT IT AND GET OUR PR MACHINE IN MOTION TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THE LAW HAS CHANGED. 
          AND SO THERE WAS SOME CONSIDERATION AND SOME NUANCE THERE AS WELL. TO BE VERY CLEAR. 
          ROBERT'S RULES DOES ALLOW US TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS TODAY. WE COULD TAKE AN ITEM AND SAY OKAY, WELL THERE. LOOK, THERE WAS THIS FOR AMENDMENT. COUNCIL I'M GOOD TO PASS IT COULD WE? COULD WE BRING IT ON THE NEXT CONSENT AGENDA? I WANT SOME TIME TO LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE. UM THAT THAT IS VERY, VERY DOABLE. HOWEVER. WERE THE ITEM THAT WAS PUT IN THE COMMITTEE WAS. HOW DO WE WANT TO HANDLE FLOOR AMENDMENTS? SO WE DID ENGINEER THIS PROCESS AS A POSSIBLE WAY FORWARD. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHERE IT CAME FROM. THAT WAS THE THINKING BEHIND IT. AND THAT'S WHAT KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING BEFORE YOU TODAY IS THE BEST WE CAN DO. WITH REGARD TO THE ITEM THAT WAS PUT INTO THE COMMITTEE. AGAIN ROBERT'S RULES TODAY WE CAN DO ALL OF THESE THINGS IF WE WANT TO. WE JUST NEED TO BE CLEAR AT THE TIME THAT WE'RE VOTING THAT AND I DON'T KNOW THAT OUR POLICY EXPLICITLY ALLOWS FOR US TO TREAT A NON ZONING CASES. ZONING CASE, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTIONAL PATH WHERE WE CAN SAY HEAD WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS FINALIZED ON THE NEXT CONSENT AGENDA. I'VE NEVER HEARD A COUNCIL MEMBER ASKED FOR THAT. BUT I'M SURE THAT PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE THAT BIG A DEAL IF WE DID ASK FOR IT, SO, UH, ALL OPTIONS ARE OPEN SKIES, THE LIMIT AND WE'RE THE COMMITTEE KNEW THAT THIS WOULD BE A VERY KIND OF A DIFFICULT DISCUSSION, WHICH IS WHY WE DIDN'T COME OUT WITH A SINGLE RECOMMENDATION. WE HAD A HOST OF RECOMMENDATIONS HERE UNTIL AT THE COUNCIL GO WHICHEVER WAY IT DECIDED IT WANTED TO GO. WE DON'T WANT TO OVER COMPLICATE THE MEETINGS. WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE SCOTT MISERABLE IF WE CAN HELP IT BECAUSE HE'S GOT TO RUN THIS THING AND KEEP TRACK OF ALL THESE RULES. UM BUT BUT IF THERE'S A SIMPLER PATH TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE WE'RE ALL EARS. THIS IS THE TIME TO BRING IT UP, AND, UH THAT'S ALL I GOT. APPRECIATE IT, MAYOR. OKAY? YEAH I MEAN, IT'S A VERY RARE OCCURRENCE FOR ONE I MEAN, THAT I MEAN, USUALLY FLOOR AMENDMENTS ARE. I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT THEY'RE FAIRLY SIMPLE. I MEAN THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A THIS OR THAT OR THIS INSTEAD OF THAT KIND OF SWITCH, UM WHICH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE GENERALLY WORK THROUGH. PRETTY EASILY UM AND ALL CAN BE ACCEPTING OF UH, ADD ADDING, YOU KNOW ADDING THINGS WHERE WE'RE YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE FOCUSING UNDER ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, BUT THEN WE'RE SHIFTING OVER TO ANOTHER LIKE A PAMPHLET. 
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OF SOME OTHER RULES THAT THAT SEEMS VERY STRANGE TO ME. WHEN AGAIN, YOU KNOW THE YOU KNOW THE THERE. THERE ARE WAYS TO NAVIGATE THROUGH THIS IN FRONT OF US NOW, UM YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          AND IF IT WAS A IF IT WAS A COMPLEX ISSUE OR A COMPLEX AMENDMENT, UM. I THINK THE BETTER SOLUTION WOULD BE BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING. RATHER THAN. GOOD OPTION THREE B G, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IS TO SIMPLY JUST COME BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING. YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S THAT'S MY OPINION. THAT'S YOU KNOW THAT SORT OF THAT COOLING OFF PERIOD IF YOU WILL, OR SORT OF SORTING IT OUT IN YOUR HEAD, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A THING. SO, UH, BECAUSE ER WILLIAMS THANK YOU, MA'AM. MR CITY ATTORNEY. UH, THEY'RE LIKE THESE RULES, BUT, UH YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT COUNSELOR BECOMING, LIKE, COME LIKE SOME LEGISLATIVE BODIES, PLEASE. AH! CURRENTLY IF THIS WERE ADOPTED AND. IF WE HAD TO LIVE WITH SOMETHING I COULD LIVE WITH TO BE WITH THE WAY THAT COOLING OFF PERIOD. RIGHT NOW UNDER AS AS DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SAID. IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, AND SINCE I'VE BEEN AROUND, THERE'S BEEN A FEW AS MAYOR SAID NOT MANY, BUT THERE'S BEEN A FEW ISSUES. FEW ITEMS. WERE YOU KNOW, VERY CHALLENGING ITEMS AND RULES? UH AND THE STRAW THAT WAS PULLED AND THAT I CAN RECALL. AND ITEM CAN BE TABLED, RIGHT? SURE. IT CAN BE TABLED INDEFINITELY OR DATE SOON, CORRECT. YES IN FACT, AND I'VE SEEN THAT HAPPENED AND NOT A LOT OF CASES, MAYBE TWO OR THREE. WORD WE'VE HAD THOSE KIND OF THAT LEVEL OF DISCUSSION WHERE IT NEEDED TO BE. WE NEED TO BACK OFF AND TO REVALUATE GET INFORMATION, AND IT HAPPENED AS I CAN RECALL TWO OR THREE TIMES AND THAT WORKED. SO. I'M JUST KEEP GOING BACK TO I DON'T WANT TO ADD SOMETHING. IF WE'VE ALREADY GOT IT IN EXISTING, TOO. THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE THE SAME GOAL. WITHOUT HAVING TO REFER. TO YOU KNOW TO AN OPTION B. IN ANOTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER PILL. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE DOCTOR DIDN'T PRESCRIBE JUST TO HAVE ANOTHER PILL BOTTLE ON THE CHEF. AND I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M ARGUING WITH HERE. WE'VE ALREADY GOT TWOS FOR WE CAN WE CAN GET A WAITING PERIOD. THEN AND THAT HAS HAPPENED AND THERE'S COUNCIL SO IF WE. IF WE TOOK NO ACTION ON THIS, MR CITY ATTORNEY CORRECT. WE STILL HAVE THOSE TOOLS IF A COUNCIL MEMBER WANTED A DELAY, FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE STILL HAVE TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX. 
          THAT WE CAN OBTAIN THAT. LIKE CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU UNDER THE AND ALONG THAT LINE IF IT WERE A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO HAD AN ISSUE ONE OUT OF ONE OUT OF NINE. THAT HAD AN ISSUE. AND OFFERED THE AMENDMENT OFFERED OFFERED THE OFFERED TO TABLE THE ITEM AND THAT DID NOT GET A SECOND. I THINK THAT IS A CLEAR INDICATION THAT YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT ANY ONE OF US CAN'T HAVE ONE ISSUE AT ONE TIME, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE IF THERE'S IF THERE WAS NO SUPPORT FOR TABLING IT. IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS, I THINK AT THAT POINT THAT THE MAJORITY WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD IN AND SO THAT THAT SORT OF TAKES THAT SORT OF TAKES THE WAITING PERIOD NECESSITY OR SUGGESTION OUT OF THE MIX BECAUSE THE GROUP IS READY TO MOVE ON WHERE ONE PERSON MIGHT BE STANDING ON THE HILL. COUNCILOR HEDRICK. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN SOME TALK HERE ABOUT TO A VERSES TO BE AND I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR TO A HAVE IT COME BACK AT A MEETING AND NOT HAVE A OPTION FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO HAVE TWO THIRDS VOTE BECAUSE SOMETHING COULD STILL BE PUSHED THROUGH THAT NIGHT. GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE 
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HERE. I JUST CAME UP WITH IF YOU SAY THERE'S A MOSQUITO OUTBREAK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER, WE'RE FIGHTING WEST NOROVIRUS AND WE HAD SOME KIND OF BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR WE ALL DECIDED ON THREE NEW MOSQUITO CATCHERS. WELL AT THE LAST MINUTE. ONE OF US COMES AND SAY, WELL, NOW WE WANT 20 NEW MOSQUITO CATCHERS. LET'S PUSH THAT THROUGH AND EVERYONE'S ALL FOR THESE NEW MOSQUITO CATCHERS BECAUSE WE HAVE WESTERN. AH, VIRUS FOR FIGHTING. WELL I DON'T THINK ANYONE OF US WOULD STOP AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUSH THAT THROUGH A TWO THIRDS OF THE VOTE. WE NEED TO FIGHT THIS VIRUS RIGHT NOW. SO I THINK IN THAT AMOUNT OF TIME BETWEEN THE TWO WEEKS BETWEEN WHEN WE PASSED THE THREE THAT WE ALL DECIDED ON THAT'S WHAT HE WANTED , AND THE TWO WEEKS WE CAN DIGEST THE BUDGET IMPACTS OF 17 NEW MOSQUITO CATCHERS IN THE CITY AND REALLY DECIDE ON WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED THAT MANY AND TAKE A MOMENT I JUST TO DIGEST BECAUSE IN THE MOMENT WE MIGHT GET CAUGHT UP AND SAY WE NEED TO FIGHT WITH ALL THESE NEW POSITIONS, BUT IN THEM REALLY? AND WE CAN DEAL WITH THE THREE THAT WE ALL DECIDED ON THE ORIGINAL POINT. THE NEW MOSQUITO CATCHERS SO MAYBE THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE EASIER TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE RATHER THAN INCLUDE THE TWO THIRDS POINTS. SO LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER, MORE SAID, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE COMMITTEE WAS TRYING TO GET AT RIGHT THERE. AND SO THAT'S A THAT'S MY TWO CENTS ON IT. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. OKAY? BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE THANK YOU, MR MAYOR, BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD AT THIS POINT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO COUNCILOR WILLIAMS IS REALLY JUST I BELIEVE, ARTICULATED WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING AND THAT IS WE HAVE RULES ALREADY IN PLACE THAT WOULD ADDRESS THIS. AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BACK BACK TO THAT. AND, UH THEN USE THOSE RULES. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM MORRIS . THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND I'LL JUST BE BRIEF. I WOULD BE GOOD WITH EITHER PRIMARILY WITH TWO A FOR THE SAME REASONS. COUNCILMAN HEDRICK LISTED. ALTHOUGH I KIND OF ENJOYED THE EXAMPLE OR TO BE . THE PROBLEM IS AT THE TIME. AND AGAIN I'VE ONLY SEEN THREE OF THESE AND MY 4.5 YEARS ON COUNCIL THAT WERE SUBSTANTIVE. AND AT THE TIME IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND I CONSIDER IT A BLIND SIDE AT THE LAST MINUTE RAISES SOMETHING. THEY KNOW SOMETHING. THE REST OF US DON'T KNOW. IT'S AN EMOTIONAL HIGH EMOTION THING, AND THEY PUSH IT THROUGH. WE FIND OUT ON THE WAY HOME FROM COUNCIL WHAT WE JUST DID. AND AT THAT POINT, IT'S DONE. I LIKE I LIKE THE TWO A OR TWO B, WHERE IT COMES BACK, AND, AS THE MAYOR SAID, IF IT'S IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT , WE CAN HEAR IT AT THE NEXT MEETING. WHAT WE DO WITH ZONING WHERE WE APPROVE IT. WE GET THE VOTE OVER WITH. WE APPROVE IT. AND THEN WE DO THE FINAL APPROVAL ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AT THE NEXT MEETING. THAT GIVES US A CHANCE IF THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE FOUND OUT TO RAISE AN ALARM THAT DOES IT, AND IF THERE'S NOT, THEN IT JUST CRUISES THROUGH ON THE NEXT CONSENT AGENDA. UM SO WHY WOULD BE IN FAVOR? YOU KNOW, IN A PRIORITY IZATION OF TWO A AND TWO B AS A SECOND. I DON'T EVEN WANT TO LOOK AT OPTION THREE. IT GIVES ME A MIGRAINE, EVEN JUST READING IT SO MY VOTE WOULD BE DEEP SIX. OPTION THREE. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER ANYTHING, MAKE IT TO A OR TWO B. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH FOR MORE ISN'T THAT ALSO TO SAY THAT WE WERE JUST TABLED IT OR WE'RE GOING TO SET IT ASIDE FOR ANOTHER TIME. IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT TWO A AND TWO B OR DOING IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT IT'S ALREADY INCLUSIVE IN ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING AND HOW DO YOU PUSH SOMETHING THROUGH IF IN FACT THAT THE COUNCIL AT THAT POINT, WE KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO GO THROUGH, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PUSHED THROUGH. BUT NOW THAT'S JUST MY OPINION THAT WE HAVE THE TOOLS. ALREADY IN PLACE AT AND OF COURSE, WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS, WE JUST DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT. WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT. BUT WE DO HAVE THE TOOLS IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH AN AMENDMENT FROM THE FLOOR ORIAN PLACE BASED ON ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR, RIGHT? YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S CORRECT. THE TOOLS ARE THERE IT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT COMES DOWN TO. THE WILLINGNESS TO USE THEM. IT IS IN AT THE DIRECTION OF THE CHAIR. I MEAN, THAT'S SORT OF WHERE THAT FALLS INTO. UM ALRIGHT. SO BEFORE US. UH OH. SO LET'S CONSIDER, UH, THERE'S OPTION ONE, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY NO CHANGE. THERE'S OPTION TWO A AND THERE'S TO BE. UM INSTEAD, I MEAN, ON THE 
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SCREEN. WE'VE GOT OPTION THREE. BUT UM, I THINK WE SHOULD CUT OUR LOSSES AND NO ADVENTURE INTO THREE AT THIS POINT. UM SO VERY SIMPLY OPTION ONE IS NO CHANGE. UM. ALL IN FAVOR OF OPTION ONE. 
          CONSENSUS. SO YOU GOT. I'VE GOT 1234 AND FIVE NO. I'M SORRY. NOPE I'M DOWN HERE. OKAY I SAID IT ALREADY. OKAY, UM 54 IS THAT 54 THAT IS FIVE IN FAVOR OF OPTIONS CHANGE. ALL RIGHT. AND THANK YOU. FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK ON OPTIONS TWO AND THREE. WE UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETIMES MANY TIMES WE SEND YOU OFF INTO THE WILDERNESS TO TRY TO SORT US OUT AND SOMETIMES WIZARD. WE AS WE DON'T USE WHAT YOU COME BACK WITH. I WOULD I WOULD ESTIMATE 70 TO 80% OF MY BEST WORK HAS ENDED UP IN THE TRASH CAN SENSE THAT MANY? YEAH AND THAT IS OKAY . YES YOU STAND BEHIND THAT PERCENTAGE, ALL RIGHT, AND AGAIN COUNSEL ON THIS SIDE. I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS A VERY RARE OCCURRENCE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S SOMETHING COMES THROUGH LIKE THIS, THAT THAT WOULD THAT WOULD SORT OF GET THIS KIND OF ATTENTION. UM SO ANYWAY, LET'S MOVE ON THE NEXT ONES RELATED. 
          IT'S ON PAGE 11. AND IT'S WHERE YOU'RE RELATED TO REMOTE ATTENDANCE. AND THE FIRST AND SEE ONE. IT SAYS UNLESS OTHERWISE NECESSITATED BY A PUBLIC EMERGENCY. THE FOLLOWING SHALL APPLY TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, INTENDING PUBLIC MEETINGS REMOTELY. COUNCIL MEMBER MAY ONLY REMOTELY ATTEND COUNCIL MEETINGS HELD IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, AND THAT'S A COMMITTEE DETERMINED THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A TECHNOLOGY ISSUE. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT IN THIS ROOM TO HAVE REMOTE ATTENDANCE, EACH COUNCIL MEMBER MAY ONLY REMOTELY ATTEND ONE PUBLIC MEETING PER CALENDAR YEAR, HOWEVER, THE MAYOR MAY ALLOW A COUNCIL MEMBER REMOTELY ATTEND ADDITIONAL MEETINGS FOR GOOD CAUSE. SO THERE IS A ORIGINALLY WHEN DRAFTED WITH THIS AMENDMENT. THAT WAS A LATER EDITION. THE HOWEVER IN THERE BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO BUILD IN THEIRS FOR EXCEPTIONS, WHERE THERE'S REALLY GOOD CAUSE FOR A COUNCIL MEMBER NOT TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND A MEETING IN PERSON. AND THEN NUMBER TWO, THE MAYOR OR THE COUNCIL MEMBER ACTING AS THE PRESIDING OFFICER MUST ATTEND THE MEETING IN PERSON. THAT'S REALLY STATE LAWS, JUST A REMINDER OF WHAT STATE LAW IS. AND NUMBER THREE FOR EACH COUNCIL MEETING. THERE MAY ONLY BE ONE COUNCIL MEMBER ATTENDING REMOTELY. AND THE EVENT. MORE THAN ONE COUNCIL MEMBER REQUEST TO ATTEND A MEETING REMOTELY. THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO FIRST GAVE WRITTEN NOTICE TO THE MAYOR SHOULD BE GIVEN PRIORITY. THAT'S ALSO RELATED TO TECHNOLOGY AND STATE LAW, QUITE FRANKLY, BECAUSE STATE LAW DOES HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SIZE OF VIDEOS. THE, UM THE AUDIO OF VIDEOS AND THE MORE MEMBERS I GET PLACED ON A VIDEO SCREEN OR ON A ON A ON A TV SCREEN. IT'S LESS LIKELY THAT WE CAN COMPLY WITH STATE LAW AS FAR AS THEM BEING VISIBLE AT ALL TIMES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE MEETING. AND THERE'S ALSO TECHNOLOGY ISSUES RELATED TO ONCE YOU GET MULTIPLE PEOPLE ATTENDING REMOTELY. CAN IT BE DONE? YES, WE KNOW IT CAN BE DONE BECAUSE WE DID IT THROUGH COVID. BUT IT IS IT IS, UM, IT IS DIFFICULT. AND THEN THE FOURTH ONE IS MEMBERS OF BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES MAY NOT REMOTELY ATTEND MEETINGS. AND ONCE AGAIN , THAT'S A TECHNOLOGY AND STAFFING ISSUE BECAUSE WHEN WE DO HAVE REMOTE MEETINGS, IT DOES REQUIRE ADDITIONAL STAFF TO HELP FACILITATE THOSE MEETINGS. AND THAT IS EDDIE CANCER AMBASSADOR . YOU AND THE QUEUE FOR THIS ONE. OR DID I MISS YOU ON THE LAST ONE? I APOLOGIZE, BUT IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. OKAY? ALRIGHT. SORRY. ALL RIGHT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. ALL RIGHT. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM SMITH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST REAL QUICK. MOST OF THIS AGAIN IS STATE LAW AND TECHNOLOGY DRIVEN WHAT WE'RE CAPABLE OF TODAY JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT ALL OF THE REMOTE MEETINGS THAT WE DID DURING COVID WERE UNDER THE EMERGENCY ORDER, AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE FALLING BACK TO THE OLD STATE LAW, WHICH HASN'T BEEN UPDATED IN MANY YEARS. AND SO WE ARE CONFINED BY THAT, UM, A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, AS CITY ATTORNEY SAID, YOU KNOW THE SIZE OF THE PHASE. CAN EVERYBODY SEE IT? UM YOU KNOW WHAT OUR TECHNOLOGICAL CAPABILITIES WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ROLE WAS NOT ABUSED, BUT THAT THE MAYOR HAD DISCRETION IS THE 
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CHAIR OF THE MEETING. UH CHILL OUT FOR SOMEBODY IF THEY'RE ON EXTENDED MEDICAL LEAVE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT THEY'RE CAPABLE OF PARTICIPATING. YOU KNOW, WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE REPRESENTED. WE WANT THE REPRESENTATIVE TO BE ABLE TO PROVE TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE. 
          SO UM, WE'RE WORKING WITH WITH A LOT OF LIMITATIONS UNDER STATE LAW HERE, AND THIS IS REALLY THE BEST WE FELT WE COULD DO. UNDER THOSE LIMITATIONS, SO WE WOULD LOVE TO DO MORE WITH IT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE IN A POSITION TO DO IT LEGALLY, JUST YET. WE'RE HOPING TO SEE SOME CHANGES THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION IN THE REMOTE MEETINGS RULES, BUT LEGISLATURE WILL DO WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO. SO. THANK YOU, SIR. VERY GOOD. BECAUSE WE'RE WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MR DEPUTY MEMBER CHAMBER WHERE YOU CLOSE THAT OUT? UM. I SUPPORT. UH. YEAH, WELL, YOU'VE GOT I THINK IT'S C I SEE ONE. CAN I SEE THE NAME OF STATION THERE, AND I KNOW THE LIMITATIONS OF THIS ROOM. BUT, UH. THIS IS ONE THAT I'D LIKE TO SUGGESTED. WE REALLY PUT THE PUT THE EGG IN THE IN THE MIRRORS BASKET AND THE MIRRORS DISCRETION. I BELIEVE I THINK WE SHOULD MAINTAIN THE CAPABILITY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBER. UM INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER ATTENDING A MEETING REMOTELY IF HE IS A HURT CIRCUMSTANCES REQUIRES THAT AND THE MAYOR. I HAD THE APPROPRIATE COMMUNICATION AND INFORMATION AND MIRRORS MAKE THAT CALL. AND IF THE MAYOR MAKES THAT CALL SHOULD I THINK IT SHOULD BE SUPPORTED? AH! I DON'T I DON'T I THINK MOVING, MOVING FROM. 
          MOVING A FEW STEPS TO ANOTHER ROOM DOESN'T BOTHER ME. I THINK FOR THE GOOD GOOD GOOD OF OUR CITIZENRY WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THAT FEATURE. UM. SO. I'M IN FAVOR OF AGAIN. AND THE NUMBERS YOU PUT IN THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE PUTTING. THERE'S TWO YOU SAID ONE MEETING AND THEN ONLY ONLY ONE COUNCIL MEMBER WHICH YOU GO OVER THAT AGAIN, AND THAT SECTION. PER MEETING IS THAT. 
          AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT AS AS FOR ME WITH STATE LAW AND I DON'T GET. I DON'T THINK IT'S DEEPLY AS I DEPUTY MEMBER PRETEND HE'S THE EXPERT IN THAT. MHM BUT IS THAT STATE LAW THAT LIMITS THOSE NUMBERS? NOT PRECISELY. THAT'S NOT A PRECISE ANSWER. WHAT STATE LAW DOES IT HAS CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS VISIBILITY AS FAR AS AUDIO CAPABILITY AND VIDEO CAPABILITY , AND SO OFTEN TIMES, YOU CAN HAVE TOO MANY FACES ON HIS SCREEN AT ONE TIME WHERE THE FACES ARE NO LONGER BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE BOX. THE BRADY BUNCH BOX IS THAT ARE PRESENTED . YOU CAN'T RECOGNIZE WHO IS ON THE SCREEN. YOU HAVE NO WAY IDENTIFYING THEM. AND THAT'S WHERE STATE LAW WHERE TECHNOLOGY AND STATE LAW CAN HAVE ISSUES LIKE THE CHAIRMAN SAID. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SAID. DURING COVID . WE WERE OPERATING UNDER UNDER EMERGENCY ORDERS FROM THE GOVERNOR AND HE SUSPENDED THE OPEN TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT CERTAIN PROVISIONS OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT DURING THAT TIME, THOSE ARE NO LONGER SUSPENDED. HIS ORDERS NO LONGER IN EFFECT FOR THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE. THAT'S THE THAT'S THE ISSUE RELATED TO TECHNOLOGY AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE I'M NOT ATTENDING. BUT DO WE STILL HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY CAPABILITY TO ACHIEVE IT? I MOST COVERT, IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE NUMBERS I WOULD IMAGINE. AND HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT. BECAUSE I DON'T RECALL US HAVING ANY REAL SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES . MY WANT TO REMIND ME DOING COVID. TECHNOLOGY WE DID NOT WELL, WE HAD CHALLENGES THAT ARE STAFFED AT A GREAT JOB, AND I KNOW THE STATE LAW THAT WAS SUSPENDED. THAT DOES THAT DIDN'T HAVE SOME OF THE SAME NORMAL STATE LAW REQUIRES CERTAIN AUDIO AND CERTAIN VISUAL PARAMETERS, MINIMUM PARAMETERS THAT MUST BE MET AND SOME OF THOSE VISUAL VISUAL PARAMETERS ARE DURING THE MEETING. EACH REMOTE PERSON ATTENDING THEIR FACE MUST BE VISIBLE AND RECOGNIZABLE. UM UM, DURING THIS DURING THE ENTIRETY OF THE MEETING. WELL I'M I'M IN FAVOR OF CONTINUING THE REMOTENESS. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF PUTTING THE LIMITS ON THE NUMBER. I'D LIKE TO. I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE THAT UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THE MAYOR. IF CIRCUMSTANCES ARE SUCH THAT ACCOUNTS OF MEMBERS IN A SITUATION AND THEY COMMUNICATE WITH THE MAYOR. THEN I WOULD TOTALLY SUPPORT THE MAYOR'S CALLED ON THAT IT MAY BE MORE THAN ONE TIME IT MAYBE THREE. 
          [01:20:03]
BUT I WOULD NOT WANT TO PUT IN A POLICY TO SAY THAT CAN ONLY HAPPEN WHAT I WOULD I THINK THAT'S TOO LIMITING TOO RESTRICTIVE. AND SO I'D LIKE. TO HOWEVER, WE CAN MODIFY THAT. I'D LIKE TO GET THEM MAD AT DISCRETION ON I GUESS I'M SAYING SORT OF A CASE BY CASE BASIS. TO MAKE THAT CALL. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SMITH. MAYOR THE CHANGE THAT WE NEED TO BE REQUIRED TO FACILITATE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO SAY THAT, UH WE ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM PRESENT. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO CERTAINLY LIMITED TO FOUR REMOTE ATTENDEES AT THE WORST AND THEN WE WOULD NEED TO ADD SOME LANGUAGE THAT SAYS, AS LONG AS WE CAN MEET THE AUDIOVISUAL CRITERIA PROVIDED FOR IN STATE LAW. UH I THINK WITH THOSE TWO PIECES, WE COULD BRING SOMETHING BACK WHEN WE GO TO FINALIZE THIS. IF THE COUNCIL'S ONBOARD WITH IT, THAT'S THAT'S THE NUMBER OF BASED ON OUR ABILITY TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW. AND YEAH, WE CAN DO. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ONE, BUT IT CAN'T BE ANY MORE THAN FOUR. THANK YOU, SIR. VERY GOOD CUSTOMER MORE. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. I THINK THAT WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE. TO HAVE A MAYOR. THAT IS VERY AMENABLE TO ALL OF US. IN THE MANNER OF IF THERE WERE CIRCUMSTANCES OF SITUATIONS. 
          THAT HE WOULD. MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT WERE APPROPRIATE TO OUR ATTENTION ON ATTENDANCE. 
          BUT WHAT ARE WE SAYING? WHEN WE PUT THAT POWER THERE? AND HE'S NOT THE MAYOR. THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER MERE WHO MAY THINK THAT HE OR SHE IS THE SMARTEST PERSON IN THE ROOM. AND. WE'RE LIVING IN SOME VERY POLARIZED POLITICAL TIMES. AND I'M JUST I'M A LITTLE HABITANTS. I GUESS I JUST SAY JUST GIVE THE MAYOR OF THAT. THAT TYPE OF POWER. NOW DON'T GET ME WRONG. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A LOT OF POWER AT ALL. BUT AND YOU ALL JUST BEAR WITH ME. I'M LEARNING HOW TO SAVE STUFF. OKAY I THINK YOU SAID THAT. OKAY WE DON'T YEAH, SO I'M JUST WONDERING, MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT LANGUAGE. REALLY LOOK AT THAT LANGUAGE AGAIN SUCH THAT I AGREE WITH WHAT? YOU WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE STATE LAW IF IT DIDN'T MAYBE FOUR PEOPLE AT THE TIME, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE IT IN SUCH A MANNER THAT IT'S COHESIVE. THAT IS CONGRUENT THAT IT'S CONSISTENT. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. OKAY, VERY GOOD. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SMITH. UH COUNCIL MEMBER MORE IF WE SAID, HOWEVER, THE MAYOR OR A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL MAY ALLOW A COUNCIL MEMBER TO REMOTELY ATTEND ADDITIONAL MEETINGS FOR A GOOD CAUSE. THAT'S SORT OF THE EQUIVALENT OF APPEALING THE RULING OF THE CHAIR TO THE BODY. DOES THAT ACT AS AN APPROPRIATE CHECK FOR WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING , AND FOR THE RECORD? I THINK YOU SAID IT BEAUTIFULLY. HAVING THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL AS A FALLBACK POSITION, AND I'LL HOP OFF THE MIKE HERE. OKAY I'D LIKE TO LISTEN TO THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU. YEAH MR BRADFORD IS PROBABLY POINTED THAT WOULD REQUIRE. HOW WOULD THE COUNCIL VOTE ON THAT RIGHT? WOULD BE YEAH, I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR. I THINK I THINK THE ISSUE HE'S ADDRESSING SPECIFICALLY IS THE ISSUE WHERE YOU HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO MAY HAVE A ONGOING ILLNESS AND THAT FIRST MEETING YOUR CORRECT IF THE MAYOR MADE THE DETERMINATION WELL, THAT'S NOT A GOOD ENOUGH BUILDING HISTORY TO MISS SORRY, THEN, RIGHT, AND YOU'VE ALREADY MISSED ONE THIS CALENDAR YEAR THAN YOU DON'T GET. YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET TO MISS ANOTHER FOR THIS NEXT MEETING, THE COUNCIL COULD TAKE A VOTE ON WHETHER WE COULD POST IN THE COUNCIL COULD TAKE A VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN ATTEND REMOTELY AT THAT POINT TRUE. AND IF THEY WANT TO DO IT ON, GOING UNTIL THE FOR THE DURATION OF THE ILLNESS, RIGHT, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILOR IN LUCK. UM. SO ONE THING THAT DOES WORRY ME AS IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE IS TOO ILL TO ATTEND MEETINGS FOR PROLONGED PERIOD OF TIME, MAYBE MIGHT NOT BE, UM, IT MAY NOT. I'M OBVIOUSLY THIS IS JUST A ALL UP IN THE AIR MAY NOT BE EQUIPPED TO SERVE ON COUNCIL. IF 
          [01:25:09]
THEY'RE THAT ILL AND I, YOU KNOW THIS IS THIS IS A HARD CONVERSATION, OBVIOUSLY. SO UM, I JUST YOU KNOW IF SOMEONE'S JUST. INCAPACITATED THAN THEY'RE INCAPACITATED, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A REALLY LONG TIME, SO I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF TIMES THEY COULD MISS. CONSECUTIVELY. ARE YOU OKAY? HANG ON. LET'S THINK WE MAY HAVE VENTURED OFF. UM YOU'RE SAYING MISS. AND ATTEND REMOTELY. A TENDER REMOTELY GOT YOU GLEE. AND FOR CONSECUTIVE MEETINGS FOR A PROLONGED PERIOD OF TIME. I JUST I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS THAT THEY ATTEND REMOTELY. HMM. OKAY THAT THAT'S THAT MAKES SENSE. YES THANK YOU. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THANK YOU. CASPER BASS. THANK YOU TO COUNCIL MEMBER LUX POINT. UM THAT WOULD REALLY FALL BACK INTO PLAY MORE SO, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE COUNCIL VOTE ON IT EACH TIME. YOU KNOW, COULD TAKE CARE OF THAT. IF IF COUNCIL THANKS THAT THE ILLNESSES SUCH THAT THE PERSON ISN'T PERFORMING TO THEIR CORRECT MENTAL CAPACITY, THEN YOU KNOW COUNCIL WHEN THEY VOTED ON WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO ALLOW THAT TO CONTINUE COULD INDIVIDUALLY VOTE AND CONSIDER THAT THANK YOU. COUNCILOR HEDRICK. THANK YOU, MR MARY. I THINK THIS PROVISION NUMBER THREE WAS REALLY CONSIDERING IF THERE'S LEAST IN MY MIND ON THE COMMITTEE THAT IF THERE'S TWO SEPARATE INCIDENTS IS THAT SOMEONE MIGHT BE SICK ONE AND THEN THEY MIGHT BE SIX MONTHS LATER. GET SICK AGAIN. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN YOU'RE THERE . IT'S NOT CONSECUTIVE NECESSARILY. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BUT YOU MIGHT HAVE TWO INSTANCES IN ONE YEAR WHERE YOU MAY NEED TO BE REMOTE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE THIS WAS TRYING TO ADDRESS ON THE COMMITTEE. THANK YOU. I GUESS FOR A LOOK. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND , BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE PUT IN A POSITION TO JUDGE WHETHER SOMEONE HAS THE MENTAL FACILITIES OF CAPABLE OF PUTTING THEM. ON A VIDEO SCREEN AT A. AT A COUNCIL MEETING. I JUST DON'T I DON'T WANT THAT PRESSURE ON ME THAT I'M NOT A DOCTOR. IT'S NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THAT. SO THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. I DON'T I DON'T WANT IT TO BECOME SUCH AN EMOTIONAL THING. AND IN THE EVENT THAT IT'S NECESSARY TO VOTE ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY, VERY GOOD. PRO TIM MORRIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME A REALLY A SLIPPERY SLOPE. IF WE START DOWN THAT ROAD BECAUSE WE'RE ELECTED. UM, WE DON'T ELECT EACH OTHER. AND IT'S OUR CONSTITUENTS WHO ULTIMATELY DETERMINE WHETHER WE'RE FIT TO SERVE OR WHETHER WE'RE NOT SO I WOULD I WOULD HAVE SOME CONCERNS. I MEAN, WE'VE HAD AND WE'VE SEEN IN SISTER CITIES COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE BEEN STRUCK WITH CANCER AND THEY'VE GONE THROUGH CHEMO AND THEY HAVE HAD TO MISS MEETINGS OR ATTEND REMOTELY, UM, AND THEY WERE WELL ABLE TO CONTINUE THEIR JOB. BUT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND PHYSICALLY, FOR REASONS OF PROTECTING THE REST OF COUNSEL IN SOME CASES. SO, UM I. I WOULD BE VASTLY MORE COMFORTABLE CONTINUING DOWN THE ROAD OF WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH HAVING A, UM COMPLYING WITH STATE LAW WITH THE REVISIONS THAT DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SMITH HAS HAS MENTIONED. AND AS A FALLBACK IF IT'S GOING TO BE AN EXTENDED ABSENCE. YES AS YOU SAID, HAVING THE COUNCIL ADDRESS THAT ON A SECOND ROUND OF APPROVALS IF WE NEED TO, UM, BUT NOT NOT WHERE WE SIT IN AND JUDGMENT OF ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, WELLNESS OR FITNESS. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S ABOVE OUR PAY GRADE. TO DO THAT FOR EACH OTHER IN MY MIND, SO UM SO AGAIN IF WE IF WE WANT TO HAVE A FALLBACK WHERE, UM, THE FIRST CALL, OF COURSE, WOULD BE BY THE MAYOR AND THEN THEN EXTENDED, UM OR CONSECUTIVE ABSENCE AND REMOTE. UM ATTENDANCE WOULD BE GIVEN THE, UM THE PAST BY THE BY THE COUNCIL FOR A MONTH AT A TIME OR WHATEVER. UM I WOULD BE FINE WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF WE CAN MAYBE MR ENGLAND CAN WRAP A LOT OF WORDS AROUND IT AND MAKE IT YOU KNOW, INTERESTING FOR US, BUT I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY? UM UNDER ITEM ONE OR YEAH. SEE 
          [01:30:09]
ONE. COUNCIL MEMBER MAY ONLY REMOTELY ATTEND COUNCIL MEETINGS. EACH COUNSELOR MAY ONLY REMOTELY ATTEND ONE PUBLIC MEETING. PER COUNTY YEAR, HOWEVER, THE MAYOR MAY ALLOW A COUNCIL MEMBER TO REMOTELY ATTEND ADDITIONAL MEETINGS FOR GOOD CAUSE. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. I MEAN THAT THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR. I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY HAS A PROLONGED DEAL FURTHERMORE, WHAT IF THE PENALTY THEN? AT THE COUNCIL VOTES. YOU CAN'T MISS ANY MORE MEETINGS. 
          WHAT IS THE PENALTY AND HOW WAS IT IMPOSED? OTHER THAN BECAUSE AGAIN NEITHER ELECTED POSITIONS EITHER BULLOCK ELECTED PROVISION AND ONLY WAY THAT I KNOW THAT YOU CAN TAKE THAT AWAY IS THE CONSTITUENCY. AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, THE ONLY THING THAT I KNOW YOU, DOCTOR PAY YEAH, RIGHT. SOS IS HERE IS THAT MOTION FROM THE FLOOR? WE MAY NEED SOME TIME TO REALLY THINK ON THIS BECAUSE WE'RE HEADING IN SOME DEEP WATERS HERE. THAT IT SEEMS LIKE I DON'T I DON'T SEE HOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE. OKAY? THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. OKAY, SO JUST TRYING TO CHECK THESE OFF. UM SEE ONE. I DON'T I THINK THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH I MEAN, IT'S YOU KNOW. UM, C. TWO THE MAYOR. COUNCILOR MUST ATTEND IN PERSON. STATE LAW REALLY WAS WHETHER WE'RE UP OR DOWN ON THAT EITHER WAY. UM YOU KNOW, THREE IS INTERESTING, AND THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT THAT THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP IS, UM YOU KNOW? IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT A GROUP OF US . IT'S NOT A GROUP OF FIVE OF US DECIDING IF ONE OF US IS FIT TO SERVE, THAT IS THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. UM YOU KNOW, AND. IF ONE OR MORE OF US IS SICK. UM. YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS AN INTERESTING COUNSELOR, RIVERA. 
          I'M TRYING TO SUM UP, SO I'M I'M JUST I'M NOT. I'M NOT BEING IMPATIENT. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET US THERE. I WAS SICK. YES, I MISSED LIKE THREE OR FOUR. MEETINGS WHEN I HAD THAT OPENER SURGERY AND I DIDN'T HAVE WE WEREN'T THAT THERE. YOU KNOW, SO I PERSONALLY THINK IF IT'S NOT BROKEN, WHY FIX IT? OKAY? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH HUH. I DON'T KNOW WHERE MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT WAS HEADED. UM I THINK AT, UH I THINK. THREE THE INTENT OF THREE. I UNDERSTAND. I MEAN IT. IT IS ALSO BORDERING ON COMPLYING WITH STATE LAW AND REQUIREMENTS. UM. BUT I THINK SOME OF THE I THINK THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS HERE TONIGHT THAT COULD BE AMENDED INTO IT. UH YOU KNOW, BUT BUT IN NO WAY DO I THINK THE MAJORITY OF US DECIDES IF ONE OF US IS FIT TO SERVE. I THINK WE'LL HAVE OTHER ISSUES THERE. SO IF WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT THREE WITH SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS MADE TONIGHT UM, AND FOR THEY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH FOUR WHAT IS AN ISSUE FRANKLY, MAYOR IF Y'ALL WERE TO VOTE ON WHETHER JUST TO ALLOW STATE LAW TO REGULATE THE CONTENT OF THREE THAT WOULD BE WE COULD BASICALLY JUST REMOVE IT THREE ALTOGETHER IN THE STATE LAW WOULD WOULD REGULATE IT IF YOU WANTED TO WRAP THIS UP. OKAY? CANCER WILLIAMS DURING THE Q. YES, JUST, UH TO THE, UM. DEPUTY MAYOR COMMITTEE CHAIR. LOOKING AT FOUR. JUST A SUGGESTION. I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO FOUR AS IT IS. WRITTEN HERE. I WANT TO GET DON'T WANT 
          [01:35:01]
GIVING THAT DEBATE. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS LOOKING AT ONE OF THINGS THAT HAS COME UP. HAS BEEN ATTENDANT WITH MEMBERS OF BOARDS AND COMMISSION. THAT THAT HAS COME UP. I KNOW, UH, IN MY IN MY ANY MORE THAN THE PREVIOUS THREE THAT HAS COME UP, SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE COMMITTEE TAKE A LOOK AT NUMBER FOUR WITH, UH FOCUSING ON ATTENDANCE SHOULD THERE BE ATTENDANCE CAPS? ON PERSONS WHO SERVE ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. CAN THEY MISS SO MANY MEETINGS? THERE. SHOULD THERE BE A PROTOCOL? THAT'S SORT OF A DIFFERENT YEAH, DIFFERENT ANIMAL, BUT BUT TIRED AND I'M TIRING IN THE FOURTH SINCE WE GOT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS DOWN HERE IS THAT THE CITIZEN? AM I OUT OF YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S NOT. YEAH, THERE. THERE IS A POLICY ALREADY THERE. I'VE HEARD THAT POLICY. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANOTHER CITY THAT I WAS READING OR THIS ONE UP HOURS. WE'VE GOT IT SOMEWHERE. I HAVEN'T SEEN IN A LONG TIME. 
          OKAY RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'LL WITHDRAW THAT. AND SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY WHO CAN SEE THE TRAINING. CAN YOU SHOOT ME THAT THAT POLICY AGAIN? BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY IN FORCE. I THINK SO. OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M SORRY. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SMITH. QUICK ON NUMBER FOUR. THERE IS DISCUSSION IN THE LEGISLATURE RIGHT NOW ABOUT LETTING PURELY ADVISORY COMMITTEES THAT HAVE NO QUASI JUDICIAL POWERS TO BE ABLE TO MEET SOLELY ONLINE AND MY THOUGHT IS WE'LL JUST WE'LL TRACK THAT THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE, AND IF IT POPS UP, YOU KNOW, AND IF THERE'S A IF THERE'S A CHANCE WE MIGHT GET MORE INVOLVEMENT. FROM THE PUBLIC OR FROM THOSE COMMITTEES , AND THAT WILL COME BACK TO YOU AND REVISE THIS POLICY AS WELL. SO IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON. THANK YOU, SIR. VERY GOOD. SO WE'RE GOOD ON ALL EXCEPT THREE. THREE IS NOW GOING TO BE PUT INTO REFLECT STATE LAW COMPLIANCE. SO THEORETICALLY, WE'RE GOOD WITH THREE ALL RIGHT. AND THEN NUMBER 14. YEAH I'M SORRY. PAGE 14. APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE COMMITTEE IN DISCUSSING AND DELIBERATING THIS ONE. IN SOME WAYS THE COMMITTEE WAS LOOKING FOR THIS TO BE NOT A LOSER IN THIS NECESSARILY, BUT AND ENCOURAGEMENT TO EACH COUNCIL MEMBER TO REACH OUT TO THEIR FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS WHEN THEY APPOINT A PERSON IN AND THAT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS DISTRICT AND SO THAT'S THE INTENT AND HEART BEHIND THIS WHEN IT SAYS THE APPOINTING COUNSEL MEMBERS SHALL MAKE A REASONABLE EFFORT, AND THEY LEFT THAT NEBULOUS BECAUSE IF THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE A CHECKLIST THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER MUST FOLLOW IN ORDER TO MEET THE SPIRIT OF THIS PARTICULAR POLICY PROVISIONS, AND SO, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS MORE OF AN ENCOURAGEMENT THAT THE COMMITTEE HAD IN MIND THAT WHEN YOU APPOINT SOMEONE THAT LIVES IN SOMEONE ELSE'S DISTRICT THAT YOU GIVE THAT PERSON A CALL, SEND HIM AN EMAIL SEND THEM ATTACKS AND JUST A HEADS UP. I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO POINT THIS PERSON. THAT WAS THE IDEA BEHIND IT. SORT OF COMMON COURTESY, RIGHT? YEAH. ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH COMMON COURTESY? WOW WENT FRAME THAT I KNOW I WAS GOING TO SEE WHO WOULD BITE ALMOST GOT A MAJORITY. UH LET'S LET'S READ. LET'S YEAH NOTIFICATIONS ARE THERE WE GO. THERE WE GO. 
          NOTIFICATION APPOINTEES. CONSENSUS? YES. ALRIGHT ALRIGHT THEN I HAVE ONE MORE. AND THIS IS RELATED TO THE SPENDING AUTHORITY FOR THE CITY MANAGER, AND IT'S GOING FROM 100,000 TO 250,000. AND I LET THE CHAIRMAN SPEAK ON THE REASONING AND THE RATIONALITY. HAND THAT NUMBER. 
          GO AHEAD, SIR. THE SPENDING LIMIT WAS SET IN THE 19 EIGHTIES . E WHY? YEAH I COULD PROBABLY STOP THERE, BUT, UH, WE LOOKED AT INFLATION AND THAT PUT IT AT 2 62. WE THOUGHT TO 50 WAS A NICE ROUND NUMBER, BUT ALSO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW THE CITY MANAGER SPENDING MORE THAN THE COST OF A SMALL HOME. WE STILL WANTED COUNCIL OVERSIGHT ON THAT, AND WE SETTLED AT THAT 250,000 NUMBER IS BEING REASONABLE. IT'S ALSO FAIRLY IN LINE WITH THE SURROUNDING CITIES, SO IT'S ACTUALLY A BIT LOWER. BUT, UH, THERE IT IS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ON THIS ONE. FOR WILLIAMS, SMALL HOME WITHOUT GARAGES, MHM. ALL 
          [01:40:03]
RIGHT. WE'RE GOOD ON THIS ONE. YES COUNSELOR. BASS IS I JUST WANT TO I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THE ONLY CHANGE MADE IN HERE WAS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF THE VERB INCHES ALL IDENTICAL. THANK YOU. 
          OKAY? I THINK WE HAVE CONSENSUS. YES, ON THAT ONE. YES, SIR. AND THAT'S IT FOR ALL THE ONES THAT HAVE, IF COURSE OF ANYBODY ON COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING TO POLICY NOW IS THAT THEY COULD DO THAT AT THIS MOMENT. IF THAT'S YOUR DESIRE, MR MAYOR, ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK. ALRIGHT? THANK YOU TO THE TO THE COMMITTEE TO THE CHAIR. I KNOW THIS IS A LOT OF WORDSMITHING AND MR ATTORNEY. THANK YOU, FOLKS. LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A 10 MINUTE ALL RIGHT. WELCOME BACK TO THE DECEMBER 5TH 2022 WORK SESSION FOR THE GARLAND CITY COUNCIL 
          [4.d. Transportation, Infrastructure and Mobility Committee Report]
WERE COMING BACK FROM RECESS TO ITEM FOUR D TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY COMMITTEE REPORT. WAS HE HERE? GO AHEAD, SIR. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. HOPEFULLY THIS ONE WON'T BE NEARLY AS CONTROVERSIAL AS THERE ARE OWN COUNCIL POLICIES, BUT THE TIM COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO REPORT ON AN ITEM THAT WAS GIVEN TO US LOOKING AT THE ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS IN THE CITY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A PROBATIONARY THING WHERE I CAN JUST GO AHEAD, OKAY? UM COUNCIL MEMBER. VERA BROUGHT THIS BEFORE US TO LOOK AT OUR CHARGING STATIONS THAT WE HAVE AROUND THE CITY STAFF TOOK A LOOK AT IT AND DETERMINE THAT THERE ARE NINE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WITH 14 DIFFERENT CHARGERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND BIG QUESTIONS BEFORE THE COMMITTEE WAS WHO IS PAYING FOR THESE? ARE THEY FREE HIS GARLAND CITIZENS USING THEM? DO WE EVEN KNOW WHO IS USING THEM? ALL THOSE QUESTIONS AND WHAT WE DETERMINED THAT IT'S UM. WE KNOW THE DATA ON THE NUMBER OF USERS, BUT WE CAN'T PUT IT SPECIFICALLY WHETHER THEY'RE GARLAND RESIDENTS OR NOT. SO WHAT THE COMMITTEE ENDED UP DECIDING IS THAT RATHER THAN THE CITY, PAYING THE 15 TO $20,000 ANNUAL FEE THAT WE DO USE TO PAY FOR THE ELECTRICITY AND MAINTENANCE AND PROVIDE FOR THESE CHARTERS TO PUT IN A STRUCTURE THAT THESE FREE CHARGES RIGHT NOW BE A FOUR FT CHARGING STATION RATHER THAN JUST OPEN TO ANYBODY AND COMMITTEE FELT THAT WAS JUST FRIED BECAUSE OFTENTIMES THESE ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE SOMETIMES SIX FIGURES IN PRICE, AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE SUPPLEMENTING FOR ELECTRICITY WHEN WE DON'T SUPPLEMENT FREE GASOLINE FOR OTHER CARS SO UM THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION. TO AND I DON'T KNOW IF MITCH IF YOU WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT PROCESS OF CONVERTING THESE CHARTERS OR TIMELINE OR WHAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO WORK WITH. WE HAVE A VENDOR AND AGAIN. THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROGRAM, INCLUDING, UH THE PROGRAM ITSELF, MAINTENANCE REPAIRS AND THE CHARGES ON THE SYSTEM IS LESS THAN $20,000 A YEAR. SO WE'VE LOOKED AT MATT HAS WORKED WITH OUR VENDOR AND OF COURSE, FLEET FACILITIES AND EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, A STANDARD CHARGE OF 49 CENTS PER KILOWATT WOULD BASICALLY MAKE US BREAK EVEN WOULD PAY FOR THE PROGRAM. THAT'S NOT GENERATING ANY REVENUE. THAT'S ASSUMING THE CHARGING THE VOLUME OF CHARGING THAT'S GOING ON NOW WE CONTINUE. AH THAT KIND OF THING. IF WE CHOOSE TO DO THAT, SO IT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT FOR OUR VENDOR TO IMPLEMENT THAT TO WHERE THE CITIZENS THAT ARE USING IT NOW FOR FREE WOULD WOULD PAY FOR THE AMOUNT OF CHARGING THAT THEY DO ON THEIR INDIVIDUAL CAR. IT WOULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO IMPLEMENT THAT, BUT WE COULD DO SO RELATIVELY QUICKLY. OKAY? COUNCIL MEMBER BASS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION DOING. UM I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, THE 49 CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR IS IN LINE WITH WHAT OTHER CITIES AROUND HERE ARE CHARGING FOR THEIR SERVICES AS WELL. THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SMITH. THANK YOU. MAYOR SUPPORT THIS GENERALLY, UM I UNDERSTAND THE REASON THEY WENT IN ORIGINALLY WAS TWO TO SPUR THE GROWTH OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND I FEEL LIKE THE MARKETS CATCHING UP TO THAT. UH REMEMBER, BASS MENTIONED THE 49 SINCE BEING ALONG WITH OTHER CITIES. DO WE KNOW WHAT IF THAT'S IN LINE WITH PRIVATE STATIONS AND PRIVATE CHARGING FACILITIES BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. AND I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THAT VARIES QUITE A BIT. I DON'T KNOW IF MATT YOU KNOW ANY OF THOSE KIND OF CHARGES. IT DOES VERY QUITE A BIT. BUT THE 49 CENTS IS, UH, GENERAL. BALLPARK OF WHAT OTHER CITIES AND WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE ON DIFFERENT PROVIDER NOT CHARGED. MY PROVIDER CALLED BLANK ARE CHARGING PER STATION. 
          THERE ARE IT'S KIND OF ALL OVER THE BOARD, DEPENDING ON WHERE THE LOCATION IS AND, UH WERE THERE. RESIDENTS ARE OF THAT AREA AND WHO'S SITTING AT THAT OR WHOSE PARKING THEIR VEHICLES 
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THERE, BUT IT'S ALL OVER. THE BOARD JUST DIDN'T WANT TO UNDERCUT THE PRIVATE SECTOR ON THAT. SO I APPRECIATE IT, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCILOR LOOK HOW MANY KILOWATTS DOES A TYPICAL E V USE OR DURING A CHARGING SESSION IN INDIVIDUAL CHARGE? I MEAN, HMM. 
          I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY PER CAR . I CAN TELL YOU IN ALL THE CHARGING THAT WE HAVE. THE VAST MAJORITY IS CITIZENS 1995% RIGHT NOW OR NON NON CITY EMPLOYEES. WE DON'T AS CALCIUM OR SAID WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE FROM GARLAND OR ELSEWHERE. ASSUMING MOST OF THEM ARE FROM GARLAND, BUT TOTAL CHARGES IS PROBABLY IN THE $8000 A YEAR RANGE OF ALL THE VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE DOING IT SO IT WOULD BE A NOMINAL CHARGE. I JUST I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT THAT FEE MEANT. WOULD YOU HAVE THAT IF THEY DID 49 I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOT THAT HERE DOING I DON'T KNOW. I BELIEVE IT'S W LOOK IT UP ON THE TEMPO CHARGES ABOUT $25 TO CHARGE BASED ON THE 49 CENTS A KILOWATT TO CHARGE IT COMPLETELY FROM ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FOUR. SO LIKE CHEAPER THAN A TANK OF GAS. WELL THAT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH SO RIGHT. OKAY? ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT ANY FURTHER. MM QUESTIONS DISCUSSION. UM AND ARE WE READY TO MOVE FORWARD? THE QUESTION OF COUNCIL WILL GIVE US DIRECTION AND CONSENSUS ON UM, CHARGING, AND AT THAT RATE, WE CAN WORK WITH OUR VENDOR TO SET THAT UP IN FAVOR OF THAT WOULD BE UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. CHARGERS. 
          YEAH WAIT! YEAH. ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT. PEOPLE HAVE AN EASY SO THAT BRINGS US TO FOUR E 
          [4.e. Community Services Committee Report]
COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE REPORT. TIM MORRIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM WE HAVE TWO ITEMS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING TO YOU TONIGHT. UM ONE IS ABOUT SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING OPTIONS FOR SIDEWALKS, WHICH I'M PRETTY SURE MOST OF US HAVE HEARD ABOUT FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS. AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE PROBLEMATIC ISSUES MUCH LIKE PARKING THAT IT WOULD SEEM LIKE THERE'S NEVER A SOLUTION, BUT WE ARE MAKING INROADS INTO ALL THESE THINGS ARE PREVIOUS UM, SIDEWALK PARTICIPATION FUND HAS HAS HELPED. BUT WE ARE NOW LOOKING AT WAYS THROUGH COMMITTEE TO GO ONE STEP FURTHER, AND I WANT TO THANK CRYSTAL AND STEVE OLIVER. UM THEY HAVE REALLY PUT THEIR HEADS TOGETHER ON THIS AND COME UP WITH SOME CREATIVE THOUGHTS, WHICH I'M GOING TO LET THEM NOW. 
          SHARE UM, THE OPTIONS BEFORE US TONIGHT. THANKS. NO, THAT IS NOT THE ONE YOU WANT, SIR. TRUST ME. 
          TRUST ME ON THIS WAY. IT IS NOT ON THERE, BUT I DO HAVE IT ON. I DO HAVE IT ON ON A DISK. JUST FOR THIS VERY OCCASION. MHM GOOD THINKING. SAY IT. YEAH. LEAVE HIM ALONE. I WAS GOING TO LET THAT GO. CITY ATTORNEY COULD NOT RESIST PUT ON THE EIGHT TRACK LAWYER. YEAH YEAH. THAT'S ALL NOW YOU KNOW WHAT. OKAY? CLEARLY. OKAY OPEN, SAYS ME. OKAY HIM TWICE. 
          LOOK AT THERE. OKAY THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THE PRESENTATION SLIGHTLY MODIFIED PRESENTATION THAT WE MADE TO THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE BACK IN. HE'S SITTING OUT BACK IN OCTOBER. I'M SORRY. SO LOOKING AT THE PROGRAM ON OUR BOND PROGRAM. WHEN WE WHEN WE TOOK OVER THE PROGRAM IN STREETS WE HAD $265,000 AND THAT WAS LEFT OVER FROM THE 2004 BOND PROGRAM AND FIVE MILLION IN THE IN THE EXISTING PROGRAM. WE HAVE SINCE DEPLETED ALL THE FUNDING IN THE 2004 BOND PROGRAM SO WELL 
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INTO THE 2019 MONTH PROGRAM. BUT WHAT THAT PROJECTED FUNDS STREAM FUNDING OF FUNDING STREAM OF THE OF THE DOLLARS AVAILABLE. WE HAD 900,000 THIS YEAR AND THEN VARIOUS MONEY'S GOING OUT, BUT IT AVERAGED OVER THE COURSE OF THE OF THE FIVE YEAR BOND PRO OF THE BRONZE PROGRAM AHEAD AVERAGED OVER THE SEVEN YEAR BOND BROKER AVERAGE ROUGHLY $750,000 A YEAR. SO WHERE WHERE DO WE SPEND THAT MONEY? THERE ARE OPTIONS FOR EXPENDITURE. WE HAVE THE CURRENTLY WE HAVE THE 50 50, BUT THE CAR SHARE PROGRAM PLUS THE ADDITIONAL DISCOUNTS THAT CAN GIVE SOMEONE UP TO 90% FUNDING. THEIR ARTERIAL REPAIRS THAT WE DO SIDEWALK SIDEWALKS ALONG MATERIALS THAT ARE 100% CITY FUNDING. OTHER OPTIONS WE DISCUSSED. WE'RE PARTNERING WITH NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE WAY OF THE HEART PROGRAM IS WHEN THEY GO INTO THIS, WHERE THE HEART NEIGHBORHOODS GOING AHEAD AND CLEANING UP THE SIDEWALK REPAIRS THAT ARE NEEDED IN THOSE AREAS AND THEN ALSO REPAIRS IN CONJUNCTION WITH WITH OUR WHEN WE'RE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOING STREET REPAIRS, WE COULD LOOK AT DOING REPAIRS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE STREET REPAIR SCHEDULE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SINCE WE'VE TAKEN OVER THE PROGRAM IN OCTOBER ONE, WE HAVE HAD 261 SIDEWALK REQUEST THAT HAS A NOVEMBER 17TH. OF THOSE 248 OR 95% OF THE META REQUIREMENT FOR REPLACEMENT. HAS DESIGNATED IN THE ORDINANCE WITH SEPARATE WITH WITH REGARDS TO VERTICAL OR HORIZONTAL SEPARATION OR PONDING. OTHER ASPECTS THAT WOULD QUALIFY ONLY 13% OF THOSE , ONLY 13, OR 5% DID NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR REPLACEMENT AND THEY WERE CLOSED IN THE SYSTEM AND THE RESIDENTS WERE NOTIFIED THAT THEY DIDN'T QUALIFY. AND THEN TODAY, ALEXEI AS OF THE 17TH. WE HAD 112 OF THOSE 248 112 HAVE PROTECT PAID TO PARTICIPATE. IN THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM OR THOSE 45% OF THOSE THAT MET THE REQUIREMENT HAVE HAVE PAID TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM, AND THE AVERAGE COST OF THOSE SIDEWALK REPAIRS HAVE BEEN 227 $179. NOW THAT'S 100% COST. 
          OF COURSE, THE RESIDENTS SHARE WAS EITHER HALF OF THAT OR LESS , DEPENDING UPON THE DISCOUNTS THAT THEY QUALIFIED FOR. SO IN IN FY 22 23. THEY HAVE THE WHERE THE HEART NEIGHBORHOOD IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS PICKED FOR THAT IS THAT WESTERN HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S THE AREA THAT'S BOUNDED BY SHALLOW WAL, WALNUT. LAWSON AND WESTERN WITHIN THAT AREA. WE SURVEYED THAT AREA. THERE ARE 9700 AND 45 FT. OF SIDEWALK THAT NEED REPLACEMENT AND SO ARE ESTIMATED COST TO REPLACE THAT BASED ON EXISTING CONTRACT IS A LITTLE OVER JUST A TAD OVER $450,000 TO DO ALL THE REPAIRS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT. THAT'S AN AVERAGE COST OF 4600 AND 20 TO $46.20 PER LINEAR FOOT. NOW THE STREETS. THERE ARE THREE STREETS IN THAT AREA THAT WE HAVE SCHEDULED FOR RECONSTRUCTION. AND THAT'S KING FROM MAPLE WALNUT, LAWSON FROM WALNUT TO WESTERN AND MADE AL FROM WANTED TO WESTERN THAT WE WOULD NOT DO SIDEWALK REPAIRS ON WHEN WE'RE GOING IN THERE BECAUSE THE IMPENDING CONSTRUCTION BUT OUR CONSTRUCTION LOOKING AT OUR SCHEDULE, PROBABLY THE EARLY PART OF 2024 IS WHEN WE WOULD TARGET THOSE THOSE STREETS FOR RECONSTRUCTION BASED ON OUR CURRENT SCHEDULE. YOU HAD SOMETHING HERE? OH, SURE. SO, UM, BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO INTEGRATE THE SIDEWALK REPLACEMENT PROGRAM WITH THE WHERE THE HARDEST PROGRAM I FEEL THAT IT'S NECESSARY TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE WESTERN HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS TYPICALLY NOT THE SIZE OF THE WHERE THE HEART IS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE WOULD BE UTILIZING THIS PROGRAM IN, UM, AS A MATTER OF FACT, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS ABOUT TWICE THE SIZE OF WHAT THEY WOULD TYPICALLY HAVE IN THIS PROGRAM. 
          SO THAT $450,000 THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A KIND OF MORE OF A ONE TIME EXPENDITURE. WE WOULD ESTIMATE THAT IT WOULD BE CLOSER TO THE 225 $200,000 RANGE. OKAY, OKAY. SO THE FUNDING TARGETS FOR THE ANNUAL SIDEWALK MON EXPENDITURES AND THESE ARE ESTIMATES REALISTICALLY. UH THE COST COULD VARY FROM YEAR TO YEAR. BUT WE ESTIMATED SPENDING PROBABLY ABOUT 30% OF IT WOULD BASED ON OUR CURRENT EXPENDITURES OF THAT MONEY EACH YEAR WOULD GO TOWARDS THE 50 50 CULTURE. APPROXIMATELY 25% OF IT WOULD GO TOWARDS ARTERIAL PAIRS . APPROXIMATELY 25% WOULD GO TOWARDS WHERE THE HEART PROGRAM IS AND IN THE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE STREET REPAIRS WOULD BE ROUGHLY 20% BUT YOU KNOW IF THE 50 50 PROGRAM TOOK MORE MONEY THAT YEAR THAN YOU KNOW, WE WOULD TAKE MONEY AWAY FROM PROBABLY THE CONJUNCTION WITH STREET REPAIRS, SO THAT IN REALISTICALLY THE MOUTH IS AVAILABLE FOR CONTRACT CONJUNCTION OR STREET REPAIRS WILL PROBABLY ONLY ENCOMPASS PROBABLY ONCE WE DID ONE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WOULD PROBABLY EXPAND WHATEVER FUNDS WE WOULD HAVE AVAILABLE. SO. WE ARE IN THE WHERE WHAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT EVALUATING THE SOCIETY WALK RATING PRO SYSTEM BECAUSE THERE'S NOT CURRENTLY A SYSTEM WHERE WE WRITE SIDEWALKS . RIGHT NOW WE READ THE STREETS. WE WRITE THE ALLEYS, BUT WHEN WE'RE RAIDING THE STREETS, WE DO NOT. WE HAVE NOT RATED THE SIDEWALKS. SO WE WENT TO THE 
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SIDEWALKS. YOU YOU WOULD. YOU WOULD EXPECT THOSE WHEN THE INSPECTOR DOES THE SCHEDULED ST ST INSPECTIONS. THE EVALUATION WOULD NOTE THE NUMBER. YOU KNOW YOU'RE GONNA NOTE THE NUMBER OF DEFECTS AND YOU'D ALSO KNOW IF THE AMOUNT OF MISSING SIDEWALKS RIGHT NOW. WE CURRENTLY WE KNOW STREETS WHERE THERE ARE SECTIONS OF SIDEWALK MISSING, BUT WE HAVE NO ACCURATE MEASUREMENT OF EXACTLY HOW MANY LINEAR FEET OF SIDEWALK ARE CURRENTLY MISSING, WHICH, BY DOING THIS WOULD GIVE US A WOULD GIVE US THAT INFORMATION THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE. AND THE SIDE RUB RATINGS WOULD BE DEVELOPED IN THE STREETS, STREET DEPARTMENTS CHOREOGRAPH SYSTEM THE SAME SYSTEM WE USED TO DEVELOP THE STREET AND ALLEY RATINGS. AND THAT THEY WOULD BE A THOSE RATINGS WOULD END UP BEING A NUMERICAL RATING SIMILAR TO THOSE FOR STREETS AND ALLEYS. 
          CURRENTLY WITH ALL THE STREETS AND ALLEYS EVALUATED ON ABOUT ROUGHLY AN 18 MONTH CYCLE, ADDING SIDEWALKS TO THE EVALUATION, IT WOULD EXTEND IT TO AT LEAST EXTEND THAT FULL CYCLE OF REEVALUATING STREET RALLIES TO PROBABLY AT LEAST 24 MONTHS. BUT UNTIL WE GO THROUGH IT ONE TIME, WE'RE REALLY NOT GOING TO KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WOULD EXTEND. HOW MUCH DOING THE SIDEWALK MEASUREMENT. ALONG WITH THE STREETS WILL WILL EXTEND A PARTICULAR INVESTIGATION EVALUATION. SO PROCESS OF WHAT WE WOULD DO WHERE? WHAT ARE SAD WALK? RECONSTRUCTION REPAIR SCENARIOS WILL BE SO IF THE STREET AT A RATING OF 0 TO 30, IT'S A IT'S A RECONSTRUCTION CANDIDATE. OR GENERALLY NOT GOING TO GO IN THERE AND REPAIR SIDEWALKS INDEPENDENTLY. IF THE STREET IS SCHEDULED IS THE STREETS. FAILED AND SCHEDULED FOR RECONSTRUCTION SOMETIME WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. THE COMPLETES AND THEN OF COURSE , BUT AS AS WE RECONSTRUCT THE STREET, THEN WE RECONSTRUCT THE SIDEWALK IN AS PART OF THAT STREET RECONSTRUCTION. WHEN WE WORK ON A WE'LL REBUILD THE STREET. WE GO FROM RIGHT AWAY LAND TO RIGHT AWAY LINE, AND WE GET ALL THE PAPER, WHICH INCLUDES THE DRIVE APPROACHES THE SIDEWALKS, ALL THAT GETS REPLACED AS PART OF THE STREET CONSTRUCTION. IF THE STREETS ARE 30 TO 70 THOSE WERE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WERE GENERALLY ARE ASPHALT OVERLAY CANDIDATES. THOSE 88 RAMP WHERE YOU'VE GOT 88 RAMPS THAT EITHER DON'T EXIST OR ARE NON COMPLIANT. THEN WE COULD REPLACE THE 88 RAMPS. AND THEN IF THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT IF THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT QUOTE UNQUOTE HAZARDS ALONG THE STREET , THEN WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE THOSE SEVERE WHERE SIDEWALKS FROM MAYBE SITTING ON TOP OF ANOTHER ONE OR A TREE IS COMPLETELY HEAVED. SIDEWALK OUT THOSE KIND OF THINGS WE GET, BUT WE WOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT EVERY LITTLE REPLACEMENT. AND THEN YOU KNOW THAT THAT COULD BE DONE AS PART OF THE COST SHARE PROGRAM. AND THAT WOULD THAT WOULD KIND OF BE DETERMINED BY THE SIDEWALK RATING. REALLY? AND THEN FOR THOSE STREETS THAT HAVE RATINGS OF 70 TO 100. THOSE ARE THE ONES IF THEY'RE CONCRETE STREETS. THOSE ARE THE ONES WHERE WE'RE REPLACING THE INDIVIDUAL SLABS. 
          AND ISOLATED SLAB REPLACEMENT. AND SO THE SIDEWALK REPAIRS COULD BE COULD BE COMPLETED AS PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORHOOD SIDEWALK REPAIRS THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED BY THE SIDEWALK OR THEY COULD BE COMPLETED AS PART OF THE COST SHARE PROGRAM. ONCE AGAIN, THE SIDEWALK RATING WOULD HAVE SOME IMPACT ON KIND OF DETERMINING WHICH WHICH AREAS WE MIGHT TARGET. AND THEN YOU WILL ALSO HAVE THE WHERE THE HEART PROGRAM IS. AND SO THE SIDEWALK REPAIRS COULD BE MADE ON ALL ALL STREETS AS PART OF THAT, EXCEPT FOR OBVIOUSLY THOSE THAT WOULD BE TARGETED FOR RECONSTRUCTION. WE WOULDN'T WANT TO SPEND MONEY TO FIX SIDEWALKS AND THEN TEAR IT OUT A COUPLE OF A FEW YEARS LATER. AND WITH THAT, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE THERE, SO I WILL ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS. GO AHEAD. REPORT, JIM OKAY. THANK YOU, UM, APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION, SO JUST TO REHASH THE BASIC AMOUNT OF FUNDING WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT $750,000 A YEAR AND THAT IS FOR THE, UM 50 50 SIDEWALK PARTICIPATION IN ANY OF THESE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT. CORRECT THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY SO THE PERCENTAGES OUT OF THE FOUR CATEGORIES THE COST PARTICIPATION PROGRAM 50 50, WHICH GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO 90 10. 30% ARTERIAL REPAIRS, WHICH ARE OUR SIDEWALK REPAIRS THAT WE DO 100% ON OUR ON OUR DOLLAR. UM THE WHERE THE HEART IS PROGRAM 25% AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH STREET REPAIRS, WHICH ARE NOT STREETS THAT ARE BEING RECONSTRUCTED, BUT CONCRETE REHAB AS FAULT OVERLAYS THOSE KIND OF THINGS, NOT POTHOLE REPAIRS. NO OKAY, JUST MAKING THAT CLEAR BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE COULD GET EXCITED. UM SO GIVEN THE WHERE THE HEART IS PROGRAM CHOICE FOR THIS COMING YEAR, BEING TWICE THE SIZE AND TWICE THE EXPENSE THAT WOULD USE UP WHOLE LOT MORE THAN 25% OF OUR $750,000 BUDGET. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE WE CAN'T REALLY DRAIN. FUNDING FROM ALL THESE OTHER, UM REPAIR OPPORTUNITY, I WOULD SAY OUR FIRST OPTION FOR REDUCING WOULD BE. WE DON'T CURRENTLY DO SIDEWALKS IN CONJUNCTION WITH STREET REPAIRS, SO WE COULD JUST NOT START THAT THIS YEAR AND 
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THEN START THAT IN SUCCEEDING YEARS, BUT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT AND THEN AND THEN ALLOCATING THAT MONEY TOWARDS THE WHERE THE HEART PROGRAM IS. THE ARTERIAL PAIRS A WEEK. WE I MEAN, WE COULD WE COULD PARE THAT BACK. I MEAN, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW MANY REQUESTS WE GET ALONG ARTERIALS, BUT I MEAN, THOSE SINCE THE 100% CITY FUNDING, YOU COULD THEORETICALLY PARE THAT BACK SOME IF YOU WANTED TO. THOSE WERE THE I MEAN AND THEN ONCE AGAIN, THE 50 50 WE SAY 30% BUT I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE WHATEVER THE REQUEST OR IN THAT YEAR SO IT COULD ONE YEAR IT MIGHT BE 20% THE NEXT YEAR MIGHT BE 40. SO YOU JUST REALLY YOU'RE KIND OF AT THE MERCY OF HOW MANY REQUESTS WE RECEIVE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. PRIORITIZATION IS WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU. SO THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FOR THIS FUNDING. AM I HEARING YOU CORRECTLY THAT THAT WOULD BE THE 50 50 COST SHARE PROGRAM THAT WOULD BE NUMBER ONE. UM AND IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WHAT? LIKE YOU'RE SAYING THAT NUMBER TWO WOULD BE THE WHERE THE HARDEST PROGRAMS SINCE THAT CAME BEHIND ARTERIAL REPAIRS AND, UM WITH STREET REPAIRS. IS THAT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT BECAUSE THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THAT THE THERE'S ONLY ONE NEIGHBORHOOD EVERY YEAR. AND THERE ARE. SEVERAL DISTRICTS IN THE NORTH OF GARLAND THAT DON'T TEND TO RECEIVE THAT KIND OF SERVICE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE REALLY OLD NEIGHBORHOODS. SO THAT'S NOT ENTIRELY FAIR. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I LIKED ABOUT THE REPAIRS IN CONJUNCTION WITH STREET REPAIRS, BECAUSE THAT IS CITYWIDE THAT REACHES PRETTY MUCH ALL PARTS OF THE CITY. UM SO, UH, I GUESS FOR MY MONEY I WOULD LIKE TO AGAIN CS GO BACK TO PRIORITIZING THIS. UM. I LOVE ALL OF THESE PLANS, BUT I WOULD WANT TO SEE A PRIORITIZATION THAT WOULD WORK FOR EVERYBODY. AND THAT IS A CALL FOR THE WHOLE COUNCIL. SO I'LL GET OFF HERE AND LISTEN TO WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE SAYS. BUT THOSE ARE, UM THOSE WERE MY CONCERNS, AND I HAD NOT HEARD THE TOTAL COST FOR THE NEXT WHERE THE HEART IS PROGRAM. BUT IT'S. IT'S A GOOD REALITY. CHECK EARLY ON WITH THIS AND LET US SEE HOW AND IF WE WANT TO HANDLE IT THAT WAY, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM SMITH. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM HMM. I DON'T I DON'T MIND THE PRIORITIZATION AT ALL. BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO ADDRESS IT, AND I DON'T KNOW. 
          TIMING WISE. THE COMMITTEE PROBABLY MET BEFORE THE DART FUNDING WAS A THING. AND SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S A TIMELINE THERE THAT WE CAN'T ACCOUNT FOR. BUT IF WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR FUNDING SOURCES, I MEAN, I THINK WE CAN SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT DARK FUNDING FOR MOBILITY. AS A KEY FEEDER FOR SIDEWALKS AND FOR 88 RAMPS, AND I'VE HEARD SOME OF THAT CASUAL DISCUSSION THROWING AROUND WHEN WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT THOSE FUNDS COMING IN FROM THE. FROM THE FEEDBACK I GET FROM THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, NUMBER NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FOR EVERYBODY IS USUALLY PUBLIC SAFETY. THE SECOND IS TRAILS AND WALKWAYS. SO THAT TELLS ME SIDEWALK MOBILITY, ESPECIALLY AROUND PARKS, SCHOOLS, BUS STATIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND SO I DON'T. I WANT TO SEPARATE THE QUESTION OF WHERE DO WE FIND THE MONEY VERSUS WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES AND I LIKE THE PRIORITIES YOU HAVE LAID OUT? I THINK WE CAN FIND THE MONEY. BECAUSE YOU KNOW IF WE NEED TO CUT OTHER THINGS TO DEFEND THIS, I THINK IT'S OR IF WE GET A NOVEL WITH OUR FUNDING IDEAS, OR IF WE HAVE THESE ONE TIME WINDFALLS FROM FROM PEOPLE LIKE OUR ORGANIZATIONS LIKE DART. I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S GOING TO PAY OFF IN THE LONG RUN. SO I LIKE WHAT IT SAID IT BEING ACCOUNTS MEMBER OF THE NORTH END OF THE CITY. UM IT RESONATES WHEN OUR MAYOR PRETEND SAYS HEY, THE NORTH END OF THE CITY DOESN'T GET THE WHERE THE HEART IS TYPE OF FUNDING AS MUCH. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES, SO I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT IT. BUT BUT THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU'VE DONE. I LIKE WHERE THIS IS HEADED. IT MAKES SENSE. IT'S EASY FOR ANY OF US TO LOOK AT AND FOLLOW. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME AND THE EFFORT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          VERY GOOD. BECAUSE WE'RE HEDRICK. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS, DO WE HAVE ANY POLICIES ABOUT YOU MENTIONED TREE HEAVING OR THAT SORT OF THING. I DON'T WANT TO GO IN AND REPLACE THE SIDEWALK AND THEN A BIG OAK TREE SEVERAL YEARS LATER HEAVES THE SIDEWALK AGAIN. YEAH LIKE COUNCILMAN DEPUTY MAYOR BURTON OF ANY POLICY THAT RESTRICTS THE PLACEMENT OF TREES. PARKWAYS THAT'S ONE OF MY MAGIC WANDS. IF I HAD WE TAKE ALL THE TREES OF THE PARKWAY JUST BECAUSE THEY HEAVE UP STREETS AND THE DIVA BUT SIDEWALKS BUT I MEAN, THERE ARE MANY THAT ARE OUT THERE, SO THERE'S I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S MUCH GOVERNANCE WITH REGARDS TO THOSE THAT I'M AWARE OF. I WOULD LIKE TO VERIFY THAT WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY AND I 
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DON'T THINK THERE'S A POLICY THAT RESTRICTS. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A POLICY THAT REQUIRES REMOVAL OF THOSE TREES PRIOR TO US GOING IN AND DOING ANY REPAIRS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO CONFIRM THAT AND GET BACK WITH YOU. PLEASE DO. AND I THINK THAT'D BE A GOOD CRITERIA FOR PAYING FOR. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE OUR MONEY JUST SEVERAL YEARS LATER. GO GO TO WASTE OVER THAT. 
          I KNOW THEY ARE REQUIRED. ALL TREES ARE REQUIRED TO CLEAR 14 FT ON THE STREET AND SEVEN FT ON THE SIDEWALK AND WE'LL DO A LOT OF TRIMMING WHEN WE WHEN WE GO IN AND DO A STREET PROJECT, AND IT'S MOSTLY TO PROTECT OUR EQUIPMENT. AND ANOTHER QUESTION WELL AND RELATING TO THE MAYOR. 
          PRO TEAMS COMMENT ABOUT THE WHERE THE HEART IS PROGRAM LARGELY IN THE SOUTH. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE NORTH, BUT I MEAN THAT'S ONE PERHAPS ONE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE SOUTH, AND IT'S NOT SPREAD. THERE'S OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE SOUTH. THAT WOULD ALSO I'M SURE BENEFIT. 
          THEY WOULD LIKE TO BENEFIT FROM THAT PROGRAM, AND ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S THE BOND PROGRAM THAT WAS PASSED BY THE CITIZENS AT LARGE, RATHER THAN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT SPREAD MORE TO ACROSS THE CITY AND CUT BACK THEN ON THAT, WHERE THE HEART IS PERCENTAGE WISE AND THEN FINALLY, DEPUTY MAYOR. PROTEIN MENTIONED DART FUNDING IS POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT. I WOULD REALLY NOT LIKE TO SEE DIRT FUNDING. GO TO THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE DARK FUNDING RATHER GO TO BOTTLENECK IMPROVEMENTS. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BENEFIT A LOT MORE BECAUSE WE WANT TO KEEP THOSE DARK BUSSES MOVING ON THE ROADWAYS AND THOSE BOTTLENECK IMPROVEMENTS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD LARGELY DO THAT, AND I KNOW THERE'S MANY, MANY INTERSECTIONS THAT COULD BENEFIT FROM HAVING FUNDING FOR THE BOTTLENECK IMPROVEMENTS, SO THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. A GOOD EXCUSE ME, KATHERINE WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, GOOD EVENING. MY QUESTION IS EVERY TOTALLY MOVED TOTALLY AWAY FROM STEVE. YOU MENTIONED WE DON'T WE DO STREET REPAIRS, BUT WE DON'T DO THOSE IN CONJUNCTION WITH WHAT REPAIRS RIGHT. WE DON'T DO . WE SORT OF MOVED AWAY FROM THAT RIGHT? WE HAVE NEVER WHEN WE'VE JUST DONE. WE'VE DONE ISOLATED CONCRETE STREET REPAIRS, RIGHT SIDEWALKS, RIGHT. THERE HAS BEEN SOME. WE'VE PICKED UP SOME REALLY BAD SPOTS. MORE NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT GENERALLY WE'RE NOT DOING MUCH SIDEWALK WORK WHEN WE WHEN WE WHEN WE'RE DOING THE SLAB REPAIR WE HAD GOTTEN ON A COUPLE OF PROJECTS WHERE WE DID THAT, AND IT GOT TO BE RATHER EXPENSIVE. AND WE WERE ALLOCATED BECAUSE WE WERE USING OUR FUNDING TO DO THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE TRIMMED BACK TO WHERE WE'RE JUST JUST ADDRESSING THAT IF THERE IS A REALLY SEVERE HAT, YOU KNOW, QUOTE UNQUOTE HAZARDOUS LOCATION WILL PROBABLY KNOCK OUT SOME OF THOSE, BUT WE GENERALLY DON'T DO MUCH SIDEWALK REPAIR IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR WE WILL DO RAMPS. WE WILL DO 88 RAMPS IF IT ABUTS THE PAVEMENT WE'RE WORKING ON. WORLD SPECIFICALLY TO WHAT THE HARDEST PART OF A PROGRAM. CERTAINLY GOT SOME NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE THAT ARE PRIME CANDIDATES FOR THAT. I'VE GOT SOME OF MY OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE TREES REPENTING FOR PLAYING BACK IN THE SEVENTIES IT EXISTS. AND THOSE TREES ARE HUGE . AND THEY HAVE THEY HAVE REALLY BUSTED UP THE SIDEWALKS. I GOT ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOODS. AH! WHERE STREET REPAIRS WERE DONE WITHIN THE LAST TWO. THREE YEARS, STREETS OF CURVES, ALL THAT WAS DONE. BUT THE HEAVING OF THE TREES WAS WAS UNTOUCHED. AND, UF THIS OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE BUILT BACK THERE, AND WE'VE GOT THAT HEAVING A PROBLEM AND, UH, IT IMPACTS, YOU KNOW, MOBILITY, PARTICULARLY. I'VE GOT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. SO AND SEE WE CAN VISIT. I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST. AND WE CAN DO A TOUR OF A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORHOODS I'M TALKING ABOUT. BUT I'M NOT TALKING. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WILLOW TREES I'M TALKING ABOUT. TREES THAT ARE HUGE, YOU KNOW, I'M TALKING ABOUT 50 50 FT IN THE AIR. HUGE IN THE HEAVING PROBLEMS. NOW THE STREET REPAIRS WERE WERE AWESOME. THEY'RE THEY'RE SATISFIED WITH THAT AND THE CURVES. BUT THE QUESTION IS, WE'VE GOT THE TREES. AND WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE TREES GOT ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOODS. THERE ARE SOME THERE THREE OR FOUR TREES IN FRONT OF EVERY HOUSE. ALMOST SO THAT'S WHY I SAID QUESTION, HAVE WE TOTALLY DITCHED. OR. IS THERE SOME LIKELIHOOD THAT WE COULD REOPEN DISCUSSIONS ON A NEED BY NEED NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD BASIS. IF THERE IS A NEED BECAUSE OF THE HEAVING UP SIDEWALKS. COULD WE TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT? AND YOU UTILIZE, SEE WHERE THE HEART IS PROGRAM TO ADDRESS. SOME OF THOSE, PARTICULARLY IN SOME ARE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS. CAN WE DO THAT? YEAH SURE. AND ONE OF THE CONCERNS TO WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE WORKING ON THERESE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE HEAT HIM SNIFFLING. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO IN AND START CUTTING SOME OF THE ROUTES TO BE ABLE TO REPLACE 
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THE SIDEWALKS. YOU'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL. YOU KNOW HOW MUCH OF THE ROUTE YOU TAKE OUT BEFORE YOU WOULD DAMAGE THE TREE? BEYOND THE POINT TO THE POINT WHERE IT WOULD, YOU KNOW IT WOULD WOULD DIE. SO THOSE ARE OBVIOUSLY THOSE WOULD BE SOME CONCERNS, AND WE LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS. BESIDES, JUST LIKE THAT. WE DIDN'T WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DESCRIBE IT. SO WHAT? WHAT WOULD THE STEPS BE? CAN YOU TELL ME JUST BRIEFLY, AND I'VE GOT NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THE TREES ARE SO LARGE THE TREES ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE STREET HAVE MET THE TREES ON THE LEFT SIDE STREET. AND IT CREATES AN UMBRELLA HO STREET. SO WHAT WOULD WHAT WOULD THE STEPS BE TO GO IN AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT? WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? UNDER OUR CURRENT POLICY THAT CURRENT POLICY IS THE 50 50, THEY WOULD HAVE TO REQUEST THAT WOULD BE THE 50 50 SIDE. WHAT THE 50 50 CAST YEAR OR IF THEY QUALIFY FOR THE OTHER DISCOUNTS UP TO 90% BUT THAT'S THE ONLY PROGRAM WE REALLY HAVE. THAT IS A CITYWIDE PROGRAM FOR REPLACING SIDEWALKS . OKAY WITH THE WITH THE NEIGHBOR WITH THE NEIGHBORS HAD TO BE INVOLVED IN THE EVALUATION PROCESS. OR WOULD THAT JUST BE YOUR TEAM? THEY CAN MAKE THE REQUEST AND WE WOULD MAKE THE EVALUATION. LET'S SAY WE HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO ACTUALLY MAKING THE REQUEST OF THE SIDEWALKS, BUT IT'S GOING INTO PARTICULAR OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS AND TAKING A LOOK. TO SEE IF THERE'S A NEED THAT BEFORE ACTUALLY ENGAGING THE NEIGHBORS IS THAT POSSIBLE? AND THAT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING ONCE WE GET THE SIDEWALKS RATED THAT WOULD GIVE US A BETTER GUIDE FOR WHATEVER. WHAT'S WHAT? WHAT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT MAY HAVE GOOD STREETS. BUT PROBLEM ISSUES WITH THEIR SIDEWALKS. THAT WOULD BE THE BENEFIT OF HAVING THOSE THOSE SIDEWALKS RATED IN THE CARTOGRAPHIC SYSTEM WOULD GIVE US A BETTER GUIDE UPON WHICH TO MAKE THE DECISIONS OF OKAY, HERE'S NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S GOT STREETS ARE IN GOOD SHAPE WITH THE SIDEWALKS ARE NOT AS IN GOOD SHAPE. MAYBE THAT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE NEED TO LOOK AT. BUT LIKE SAYING, UM RIGHT NOW. WE'RE COMPLAINT DRIVEN ON THOSE TYPE OF REQUESTS. IF SOMEONE'S GOT A SIDEWALK ISSUE WHERE GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINT DRIVEN UNLESS WE HAPPEN TO BE IN THAT AREA, WORKING IN THAT, YOU KNOW, DOING STREETS IN THAT AREA. OKAY WELL , I'VE GOT SOME NEIGHBORHOODS SAID THAT I'D LIKE JUST YOU GOT TO TAKE A LOOK AT TWO. I USED THE WORD TOUR IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO THAT. AND SHOW YOU EXACTLY THEN THEN YOU ALL CAN DETERMINE WITH THE NEXT STEPS FOR THOSE, BUT BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE THESE ARE THESE NEIGHBORHOODS SET THAT THE TREES WERE PLANTED IN LATE SIXTIES 30 70. AND THEY'RE HUGE , AND THAT'S AN AREA THAT LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND SEE IF THEY MEET. THE CRITERIA WHAT WE CAN DO GOING FORWARD. WE DO THAT THAT'S BEFORE. I DON'T WANT TO CREATE A PANIC WITH THE NEIGHBORS. SO I'M LOOKING FOR A PROCESS THAT IS NOT ENGAGED THEM, BUT JUST FROM YOUR YOUR TEAM STANDPOINT. AH GO IN AND TAKE A LOOK AT THEM AND SEE. 
          OKAY. IS THERE A NEED HERE? WHAT CAN WE DO TO FIT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? YOU KNOW? UH AND THIS IS BECAUSE IT WOULD YOU GO THERE AT NIGHT. AND NOBODY HAS THAT LIGHTS ON. YOU THINK YOU'RE DRIVING THROUGH A FOREST? SO THAT'S KIND OF NEIGHBORHOODS, SO THAT'S KIND OF THING I'D LIKE TO DO THAT, IF POSSIBLE, HAVE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH YOU ALL ABOUT LOOKING AT SOME OF SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE I'VE GOT A NUMBER OF THEM IN MY DISTRICT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BABY. YES, SIR RIVERA. THANK YOU, MAYOR. STEVE. WHAT ABOUT THOSE HOUSES THAT ARE RENT HOUSES? AND THEY HAVE A TREE AND THEY'RE KILLING THE SIDEWALK IS GOING UP LIKE THIS. CAN WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT? CAN THE CITY DOES SOMETHING ABOUT IT? OR SOME TO DO SOMETHING. IF. IF WE RECEIVE A COMPLAINT REGARDING, UM. ACCESS LET'S SAY SOMEBODY SAYS THEY'VE GOT TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B, BUT I CAN'T TRAVERSE THERE WITH MY WALKER BECAUSE I'VE GOT ISSUES. WE CAN . WE CAN GO OUT AND THERE IS THE ORDINANCE DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO COMPEL SOMEONE. TO MAKE A SIDEWALK REPAIR. IF, IF THE IF THE CITIZEN REPORTS REPORTS IT BUT THEY'VE GONE. THEY'RE GONE. 
          THEY HAVE REPORTS THREE OR FOUR. I THINK. SEVERAL YEARS AGO THERE WAS ONE AREA AND DISTRICT SIX WERE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD UM BACK WHEN? YES COUNCILWOMAN DODSON WAS THERE THAT THE WHOLE DAY WENT. SOMEONE REPORTED THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WENT, I THINK OVER A MULTIYEAR PERIOD THEY WENT AND DID SEVERAL SIDEWALK REPAIRS. SO SEVERAL, YEAH, YEAH , 100. SEVERAL 100, I THINK IS WHAT IT TURNED OUT TO BE. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT MY DISTRICT SO THAT I MEAN, IF SOMEONE REPORTS THAT THEY THAT THERE HASN'T THERE IS AN 
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ACCESSIBILITY ISSUE FOR THEM, THEN WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND EVALUATE. AND IF IT IF IT IS, IN FACT THAT THEN WE CAN COMPEL THE RESIDENT THEY CHOOSE NOT TO DO SO THEN. THE OPTION YOU HAVE IS TO PLACE A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY. WE TALK ABOUT IT LATER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. MAYOR PRO TEM MORRIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR, SO I KIND OF WANTED TO BRING THIS BACK AROUND TO THE ACTUAL TOPIC AT END. UM COUNCIL. MY I LIKE WHAT THEY'VE DONE. THE PRIORITIZATION TROUBLES ME SO I WILL JUST SHARE MAYOR. WHAT I WHAT I THINK WOULD BE THE PRIORITY THAT I WOULD SEE AS MOST APPROPRIATE. WHICH WOULD BE THE COST SHARE PROGRAM FIRST. THE IN CONJUNCTION WITH STREET REPAIRS SECOND, WHICH IS A CITY WIDE USE OF THIS FUNDING. UM ARTERIAL SUPPORT REPAIRS THIRD AND THE WHERE THE HEART IS PROGRAM LAST, AND I KNOW THAT MEANS THAT WE CAN'T DO OUR DREAM VISION OF GETTING A SINGLE NEIGHBORHOOD. MAGIC WE CAN'T WE CAN'T THAT WOULD KEEP US MOST LIKELY FROM DOING THAT, HOWEVER. UM IT IS A IT IS A VALID POINT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. PUBLIC MONIES. THAT THE PUBLIC VOTED ON AND IF WE FOCUS ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF IT. ANNUALLY AND PRIORITIZE IT IN ONE SINGLE NEIGHBORHOOD. AT SOME POINT, PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT. I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF GIFTING IT WITH WHERE THE HEART IS AND IN IN EMPOWERING A MORE ROBUST, UM , TRANSFORMATION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHOSEN EACH YEAR. BUT I WOULD BE FAR MORE COMFORTABLE HAVING THAT PROGRAM BE PUT LAST. SO, UM. ANYWAY, THAT'S WHERE I AM ON THAT THAT IS A COUNCIL DECISION. MAYOR. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HOW YOU CARE TO PROCEED WITH THAT, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A IF COUNSEL IS OVERALL PLEASED. WITH THIS APPROACH. WHICH WOULD I THINK BEING IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. THEN I JUST THINK WE NEED TO ZONE IN A LASER FOCUS IN ON THE HOW TO END THE PRIORITY. SO RIGHT. THANK YOU, YOU KNOW? UM, I MEAN, I'M FINE WITH THE WITH THE RE PRIORITIZATION THAT YOU MENTIONED BECAUSE ONE UM THE. 
          ENOUGH TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM WHERE THE HEART IS, UM, BUT WHERE THE HEART IS, IS KIND OF THE WILD CARD. IN THIS EVERY YEAR OR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S BECAUSE EVENTUALLY WHERE THE HEART IS, IS GOING TO GET TO MY SEVENTIES GENERATION NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU KNOW, SOMEDAY DOWN THE LINE, SO YOU KNOW WHERE THE HEART IS, UM GOSH, THERE'S SO YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU KNOW THE POINT OF THAT ONE COMING UP, OBVIOUSLY IS A VERY LARGE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM AND I THINK THAT IS THAT IS ALSO GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN YOU MAY HAVE A SMALLER OR A MORE TYPICAL SIZE. 
          THAT DOESN'T NEED THE AMOUNT OF SIDE. I MEAN, THERE'S JUST THERE'S SO MANY FACTORS INVOLVED IN SIDEWALKS, SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE RE PRIORITIZATION. AND ALSO, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE IS NO MAGIC SOLUTION TO SIDEWALKS. UM, BUT. MOVING FORWARD WITH ANOTHER WITH A PLAN IS WHERE WE START. I MEAN, THERE WERE NOT GONNA WE WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIX ALL THE SIDEWALKS. UM MAGICALLY AS EVERYONE WANTS. I MEAN, AS QUICK AS EVERYONE WANTS, AND SO YOU KNOW, IT IS. IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO AND NO PUN INTENDED CHIP AWAY AT EVERY YEAR IT THIS IS KIND OF BACK TO YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST CAME ON THE COUNCIL IN 13 AND WE WERE WE WERE HAVING THESE EXACT SAME DISCUSSIONS BASED ON STREETS AND ALLEYS. AND YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO START SOMEWHERE. AND WE HAD TO GET A PRIORITIZATION SYSTEM IN PLACE IN A TRACKING SYSTEM TO KNOW WHERE WE WERE HEADED, AND THAT'S AND YES, WE HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT GROUND IN OUR STREETS, BUT WE'VE ALSO PUT SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF MONEY TOWARDS HIM AS WELL. BUT YOU KNOW, EVEN THAT, EVEN EVEN FOR ALL THE MONEY, WE PUT TOWARDS IT AND ALL THE TIME WE'VE INVESTED IN IT. WE'RE STILL NOT THERE, BUT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS AND I THINK THAT'S THE SAME THING THAT WE'RE GOING TO FACE WITH SIDEWALKS FROM NOW UNTIL FOREVER UNTIL UNTIL ALL THE PEOPLE MOVERS COME IN AND REPLACE ALL THE SIDEWALKS OR WHATEVER, 
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GEORGE JETSON STYLE. WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE DEALING WITH SIDEWALK ISSUES, SO YOU KNOW AS FAR AS FAR AS THE PLANE WAS LAID OUT, AND AS THE JURY PRIORITIZATION, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE COUNSELOR OR MORE. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. I THINK THAT WE ALSO DISCUSS SOMETHING OTHER RELATED TO AH! PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY BE APPLYING FOR THE 50 50 CALLS SHEER, BUT THERE ARE TIME LIMITS OR TIME RESTRAINTS ON THE TIME THAT THEY WOULD MAKE APPLICATION AND IF WE DID, THEY DID NOT. WE DID NOT GET A SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF APPLICATIONS AND MONEY STILL COULD BE USED. ALL THE 50 50 INTO SOME OF THE OTHER PLANS. IS THAT CORRECT? YES OKAY, SO REALLY THE PRODUCT OF THE INTENDED FOR IT TO BE FLUID? SURE SO THE PRIORITIZATION IT'S NOT REALLY. SOMETHING IS GOING TO STOP ANYONE FROM GETTING WHAT'S NEEDED IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME. SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS, EITHER WITH PRIORITIZING IN THAT MATTER. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT COUNCIL. YOU'VE HEARD THE DISCUSSIONS WHERE WE ARE AS FAR AS THE PRIORITIZATION. UM. IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT? AS IT'S BEEN LAID OUT? I MEAN AGAIN. IT'S NOT A PERFECT SOLUTION, BUT IT'S THE BEGINNINGS OF IT. WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          AND. PRETEND YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE INTO THE NEXT ONE. SURE. SO UM, COUNCIL WE HAD ANOTHER. THIS WAS A HOT BUTTON TOPIC. A NUMBER OF US HAVE CONSTITUENTS WHO HAVE SHORT TERM RENTAL HOMES IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE DRIVING THEM CRAZY. AND, UH, I KNOW, AT LEAST A HANDFUL OF US HAVE GOTTEN VERY ANGRY CONSTITUENT EMAILS. UM. WHO ARE NOT REALLY PLEASED TO FIND OUT THAT WE THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE HAD NO TOOLS TO ADDRESS AS FAR AS THE THINGS THAT WERE TROUBLING THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. SO, UM I'M GOING TO HAVE MR ENGLAND GO OVER THE SHORT TERM RENTAL POLICY THAT THAT WE WORKED UP TRYING TO. THIS IS A DANCE, SO WE HAD TO DANCE BETWEEN STATE LAW AND WITH AN EYE FORWARD TO WHAT NEXT NEW, FRESH NEW HELD THE STATE LEGISLATURE MAY VISIT ON US IN THIS AREA. SO, UM, ANYWAY MR ENGLAND IF YOU WILL GO AHEAD AND WALK US THROUGH IT AND SEE WHAT COUNCIL THINKS MARY PRETEND MR MAYOR COUNCIL. I LIKE THE TERM DANCE BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS. WE WERE NOT JUST DANCING WITH STATE LAW AND WHAT THE LEGISLATURE MAY DO, BUT WE'RE ALSO DOING A DANCE WITH WHAT COMMON LAW IS AND HOW IT'S CURRENTLY BEING FORMED IN THE COURTS. AND THAT'S PART OF THE THAT'S A. THAT'S A THAT WAS A MAIN FOCUS OF THE COMMITTEE IS JUST TRYING TO KEEP TRACK OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE SEVERAL CASES THAT ARE AROUND THE STATE RIGHT NOW, WITH CITIES WHO HAVE TRIED TO IMPLEMENT STR REGULATIONS. I MISS YOU ALL ARE PROBABLY AWARE WE HAVE AT LEAST FIVE SISTER CITIES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN LAWSUITS, AND WE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW SOME OF THOSE LAWSUITS ARE GOING TO SHAKE OUT. WE KNOW THAT AUSTIN WAS INVOLVED IN ONE AND, UM, THEIR LAWSUIT WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL IN IN REGARD TO THEIR ORDINANCE BEING UPHELD. SO WHAT THE COMMITTEE HAD ASKED ME TO DO, AND I THINK, UM, COUNCILMAN MORE POINTED OUT MY FIRST DRAFT OF THIS MUCH LIKE WHAT COUNCILMAN BASS POINTED OUT EARLIER TONIGHT WAS WAS WAS VERY LONG AND VERY THOROUGH. AND SO THEY ASKED ME. THEY ASKED ME TO COME BACK WITH A LIGHT VERSION, A VERSION THAT I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE THAT WOULD SURVIVE A JUDICIAL CHALLENGE. 
          AND SO TONIGHT, THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU ALL AS A VERSION OF AN STR ORDINANCE THAT I AM CONFIDENT THAT WOULD SURVIVE JUDICIAL CHALLENGE. ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO REGULATE? CERTAINLY. IT WOULDN'T BE WISE TO REGULATE THAT IT WOULD BE RISKY TO REGULATE THAT UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RULES ARE THAT THE COURTS ARE ESTABLISHED OR WHAT THE RULES ARE THAT THE LEGISLATURE MAY ESTABLISH. QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK IN GENERAL CITIES WILL WANT THE WANT TO, UH KEEP LOCAL CONTROL OF REGULATIONS BECAUSE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL UH, BUSINESSES AND CORPORATIONS HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO SPREAD AROUND AUSTIN DURING THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION. AND SO WHATEVER ROLES THAT THE LEGISLATURE MAY PUT IN PLACE, YOU CAN REST ASSURED NUMBER ONE THAT THAT WILL COME WITH THE PREEMPTION. WITH IT TO WHERE WE CAN NO LONGER NUMBER TWO. IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY, THE CORPORATE COMMUNITY WILL HAVE A GREAT EFFECT ON AND SO IT MAY NOT REGULATE THEM, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE WOULD LIKE, AND SO, UM, THAT'S GENERALLY MY THOUGHT ON THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION NEXT 
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SESSION AS FAR AS WHAT MAY BE IMPACTED IN TERMS OF SHORT TERM RENTALS. THE FIRST CHANGE WILL SAY BEFORE Y'ALL Y'ALL HAVE A HARD COPY OF THE OF THE PROPOSED AMENDED ORDINANCE. THIS ALSO WAS IN THE AGENDA PACKETS. THE FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IN THIS INSTEAD OF GOING LINE BY LINE THROUGH THIS TO SAVE TIME AND TO BE EFFICIENT ONCE AGAIN. I I'M GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU ALL THE MAIN POINTS OF THIS ORDINANCE. AND THEN IF YOU ALSO HAVE FOUND SOMETHING IN THE HARD COPY OR IN THE COPY THAT WAS ONLINE THAT YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT. PLEASE ASK ME THAT QUESTION. BUT I WANT TO COME THROUGH THE MAIN POINTS AND SHOW YOU WHAT THIS RATE THIS ORDINANCE IS TRYING TO DO. THE FIRST ONE IS JUST THE CHANGING DEFINITION WE'RE BEING. WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A DEFINITION THAT'S THAT SHARED AMONG CITIES ACROSS THE STATE AND IN THE METROPLEX INSTEAD OF , UM, THE BASIC ONE THAT WE HAD, WHICH WAS MEANS THE RENTAL OF ALL OR PART OF A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO A PERSON WHO IS NOT A PERMANENT RESIDENT. WE'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE MORE PRECISE WITH THAT, AND WE'VE TIED THAT INTO A 30 DAY PERIOD. AND WE DID THAT, FOR SEVERAL REASONS. SOME TAX RELATED AS FAR AS HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAXES AND SOME OTHER REGULATORY REASONS, BUT YOU CAN SEE WE CHANGED THE SHORT TERM RENTAL DEFINITION. AND IT'S A DEFINITION OF THAT, I THINK WILL BE USEFUL AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND REGULATING THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THE CITY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE IN THE DRAFT IN FRONT OF YOU IS THERE'S A TERM THAT'S FREQUENTLY USED THROUGHOUT AND THAT'S PROHIBITED. CONDUCT PROHIBITED CONDUCT IS BASICALLY SOME SPECIFIC VIOLATIONS THAT ARE COMMON WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT WE SEE OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT WE HEAR COMPLAINTS ABOUT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. AND SO WE'VE CREATED A DEFINITION AND THOSE INVOLVED CERTAIN LOUD NOISE VIOLATIONS, AND THAT'S BOTH FROM RESIDENCES AND FROM AUTOMOBILES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE RESIDENTS WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FEET. AND THEN FIREWORK VIOLATIONS AND THEN PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AND NUISANCE VIOLATIONS, POSSESSION OF ALCOHOL BY MINOR. THAT'S A PROHIBITED CONDUCT AND THEN ANY CRIMINAL VIOLATION OF STATE OR FEDERAL LAW THAT IS CLASSIFIED AS A CLASS B MISDEMEANOR HIGHER AND AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, YOU'LL SEE WHY PROHIBITED CONDUCT. THAT TERM IS IMPORTANT TO SOME OF OUR ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE. AS WE GO TO SECTION 32 09 IN THE IN THE ORDINANCE, YOU'LL SEE THAT AN APPLICANT SHALL NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR ANY SINGLE FAMILY RENTAL PERMIT. THAT'S NOT JUST SHORT TERM RENTAL, BUT THAT'S ANY SINGLE FAMILY RENTAL PERMIT IF THE APPLICANT OWNS MORE THAN ONE PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN DESIGNATED AS A HOMESTEAD, AND THAT'S BOTH IN STATE OR OUT OF STATE AND ONE OF THE ISSUES THE COMMITTEE WAS TRYING TO ADDRESS. THERE IS HOW WE'RE LOSING TAX DOLLARS FOR THESE INVESTMENT PROPERTIES WHERE PROPERTY OWNERS LIVING OUTSIDE THE CITY BY PROPERTIES IN THE CITY CLAIM A HOMESTEAD ON THEM, AND THEN WE END UP LOSING TAX DOLLARS OVER THAT, SUCH CERTAINLY A RATIONAL BASIS TO PUT THIS PROVISION IN THERE. I HAVE NO, I HAVE NO CONCERNS AT ALL ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROVISION IS LEGAL. AND THEN ALSO THE SAME SECTION 32 09, YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY THE COMMITTEE CONSIDERED CERTAIN PROVISIONS THAT SHOULD BE ADDED INTO OUR APPLICATION PROCESS, AND THAT IS SOME OF THAT'S TIED TO THE HOMESTEAD ISSUE. INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION. THE APPLICATION PROCESS. THE APPLICANT MUST MAKE A STATEMENT AS TO WHERE THEY'RE PROBABLY USED AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL VERSUS JUST A SINGLE FAMILY RENTAL. AND THEN ONCE THAT STATEMENTS MADE IS WHETHER OR NOT THE OWNER IS USING THE PROPERTY AS THE OWNERS PRINCIPAL RESIDENCE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL, WHERE THE OWNERS ACTUALLY LIVING THERE, THE BED BED AND BREAKFAST OFTEN MODEL OFTEN HAVE THAT. AND THEN ALSO A STATEMENT AS TO WHETHER THE OWNER HAS ACCLAIMED HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION ON THE PROPERTY. AND THEN A STATEMENT AS TO WHETHER THE OWNER HAS ACCLAIMED HOME SET INSTEAD, EXEMPTION ON ANOTHER RESIDENCE. 
          IN OR OUTSIDE OF TEXAS. AGAIN THAT'S PRIMARILY ADDRESSING THE ISSUE HAVE LOST TAX DOLLARS BECAUSE OF HOMESTEAD, IMPROPER HOMESTEAD DESIGNATIONS. ANOTHER PROVISION THAT THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED, ADDING IS THE SUSPENSION OF SINGLE FAMILY RENTAL PERMITS AND THIS IS WHERE YOU GET BACK INTO PROHIBITED CONDUCT THOSE THAT CONDUCT THAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER AND SO WHAT HAPPENS RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE THIS CONCEPT IN OUR ORDINANCES RELATED TO COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THAT'S CALLED CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE, AND THE COUNCIL DECIDED MANY YEARS AGO, MANY DECADES AGO THAT WE HAVE NO OBLIGATION AS THE CITY TO SUPPORT A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE AND CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE HAS A CERTAIN DEFINITION, AND IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT I'VE PLACED IN HERE. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT ON THE CORPORATE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, BUT IT'S VERY SIMILAR IN PRINCIPLE TO WHAT YOU SEE HERE, AND THIS IS WHAT THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED IS THAT YOU CAN HAVE A TEMPORARY SUSPENSION OF A PERMIT OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RESPONDS TO AN STR PREMISES ON MORE THAN THREE TIMES WITH MORE THAN THREE TIMES WITHIN A SIX MONTH PERIOD. 
          BECAUSE OF ALLEGED PROHIBITED CONDUCT. AND THEY'RE RESPONDING OFFICER DETERMINES THAT THERE IS 
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PROBABLE CAUSE NOT PROBABLY CAUSE IT SHOULD BE PROBABLE CAUSE TO BE PROHIBITED CONDUCT PROBABLE CAUSE THAT PROHIBITED CONDUCT HAS OCCURRED OR IS OCCURRING. AND SO THAT'S MORE LIKELY THAN NOT. AND SO IF THEY RESPOND OUT THERE THREE TIMES AND THEY MAKE THAT DETERMINATION THAT THEY HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO THINK THAT THE CONDUCT IS OCCURRING OR HAS OCCURRED. THEY COULD ACTUALLY MAKE AN ARREST FOR THAT, IF SOMEONE'S THERE AND THEIR PRESENCE DOING THAT, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO MAKE ARREST UNDER THIS ORDINANCE AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE CRITERIA FOR AN ARREST THAN IT WOULD BE A VIOLATION. UNDER THIS ORDINANCE , IT COULD BE USED TO SUSPEND SINGLE FAMILY RENTAL PERMITS. AND IF THE PREMISES HAS A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, AND IT'S NOT THE OWNERS, PRINCIPALS, RESIDENTS, SO IF WE FIND OUT THAT THE PREMISES ACTUALLY DOES HAVE A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, AND THEY DIDN'T THEY LIED TO US ON THE APPLICATION, OR THEY WENT BACK AFTER THE APPLICATION AND DECLARED IT A HOMESTEAD. THEN WE CAN SUSPEND IT AT THAT POINT, AND THEN ALSO IF THE PREMISES HAS A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION AND THE OWNERS RECEIVING THE SAME EXEMPTION ON ANOTHER PROPERTY SO AGAIN IF WE MAKE THAT DISCOVERY AFTER WE'VE ISSUED THE PERMIT, WEEKEND SUSPENDED ON THAT, AND THEN THERE ARE SOME PROVISIONS IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT ALLOW THE OWNER DUE PROCESS. AND AN APPEAL PROCESS AND THERE'S SEVERAL PROVISIONS IN THERE IS, YOU'LL SEE THAT'S RELATED TO JUST THE PROCESS OF THE CITY FOLLOWS AND MAKING THESE DETERMINATIONS AND ALSO SUSPENDING THE PERMITS. I WON'T GO INTO DETAILS ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS, BUT IT'S THERE IN THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU AND THEN ALSO THE REVOCATION OF THE PERMIT. THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE SUSPENSION. THIS IS A PERMANENT REPLICATION IN A SINGLE FAMILY RENTAL PERMIT MAY MAYBE PERMANENTLY REVOKED AFTER THE CITY HAS BEEN WRITING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A HEARING FOR ONE SERIOUS OR REPEATED CODE VIOLATIONS TO INTERFERENCE WITH CITY AND PERFORMANCE OF THEIR DUTIES, OR 33, OR MORE CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS FOR PROHIBITED CONDUCT AND ALSO SAID CONVICTIONS THERE SO YOU CAN HAVE YOUR PERMITS SUSPENDED. THERE'S PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE YOU'VE BEEN YOU HAVE BEEN COMMITTING OR HAVE SUFFERED. WERE ALLOWED TO BE COMMITTED. MANY OF THOSE ANY OF THAT PROHIBITED ACTIVITY. ALL THAT REQUIRES IS PROBABLE CAUSE . BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO PROVE PERMANENTLY REVOKE YOUR PERMIT, IT'S A LITTLE HIGHER STANDARD. 
          IT REQUIRES ACTUAL CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS, WHICH, OF COURSE, IS BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. A GOOD WAY TO THINK ABOUT THAT IS 95% CERTAIN THAT THIS OCCURRED UM UM, AND THEN ALSO WERE LATER THE REVOCATION OF PERMITS. WE HAVE SEVERAL. IN THE ORDINANCE, YOU'LL SEE SEVERAL ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESSES AND ALSO THE HOME OWNER OR THE PROPERTY OWNER RATHER WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPEAL. THAT DECISION WILL HAVE DUE PROCESS AND THEY WERE ABLE TO ACTUALLY, UM, GO BACK BEFORE REVOCATION. THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GO BACK INTO SUSPENSION PROCESS OF ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT TO COMPLY TO COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT. BASICALLY, THAT THEY GO OUT AND THEY FIX WHATEVER ISSUES THEY WERE HAVING. WE GO OUT DOING INSPECTIONS AND WE ENTER INTO A COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT WITH THEM. AND SO THERE IS DUE PROCESS BUILT INTO THIS ORDINANCE AS YOU'LL SEE AS YOU READ THROUGH IT. AND THEN 32 09 P IS DETERMINATION UTILITIES THAT I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER IF WE HAVE THOSE UTIL IF WE HAVE THOSE THREE CONVICTIONS WITHIN THAT SIX MONTH PERIOD THAN THE CITY CAN TERMINATE THOSE YOU TERMINATE UTILITIES AT THE LOCATION. UM UM AFTER A TERMINATION OR SUSPENSION OF THE PERMIT. AND SO THAT THAT AGAIN, THAT'S A TOOL THAT WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE. THAT WILL HAVE GOING INTO THE FUTURE. IF Y'ALL ARE Y'ALL APPROVE OF THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE. AND THEN IN CHAPTER 26. THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS HAS BEEN . WE'VE ADDED THESE REQUIREMENTS . THESE ARE QUITE REQUIREMENTS WE COULD HAVE ADDED MORE. SOME CITIES HAVE TRIED THEIR AT RISK SOME OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE DIDN'T ADD OR CURRENTLY BEING LITIGATED. ART STONE HAD SEVERAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WE DID NOT THAT THE THAT THE COMMITTEE INTENTIONALLY LEFT OFF BECAUSE WE JUST NEED TO GET SOME DIRECTION FROM THE COURT THERE. AND SO YES, IF YOU HAVE, THE QUESTION IS CAN WE DO MORE? WE CERTAINLY COULD DO MORE. THE MORE WE DO. THESE ARE THE FOUR THAT I'VE IDENTIFIED THAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH. I DO NOT THINK THAT IF EVEN IF WE ARE SUED OVER THESE FOUR, I THINK WE'RE IN A VERY STRONG LEGAL POSITION TO DEFEND IT. THERE ARE SOME OTHERS THAT WE COULD DO THAT ARE MORE RISKY. AND UM, OF COURSE, THAT'S A POLICY DECISION THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE. AND HERE ARE SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'RE ADDING. FIRST OF ALL SINGLE FAMILY PERMITS REQUIRED. TWO AT LANDLINE IS REQUIRED, AND THAT'S BECAUSE SO OFTEN AS YOU ALL KNOW IF THERE'S A LOUD PARTY OR IF THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT NEIGHBORS ARE CALLING INTO THE POLICE OFTEN TIMES THESE LOCATIONS DON'T HAVE A LANDLINE. AND SO THE POLICE THE DISPATCH HAS NO ABILITY TO CONTACT THIS RESIDENTS AND TALK TO SOMEONE. THEY HAVE TO SEND OFFICERS OUT THERE AND SO THIS WOULD REQUIRE AT LANDLINE, AND THERE'S ANOTHER SECOND REASON FOR THE LANDLINE, AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE THIRD POINT. CONTACT INFORMATION OF PROPERTY OWNER MUST BE PROVIDED TO NEIGHBORS. SO AS YOU'RE READING THE ORDINANCE THAT IF YOU'RE A SHORT TERM RENTAL IF YOU OWN A SHORT TERM RENTAL BUSINESS IN GARLAND, YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND CONTACT EACH 
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NEIGHBOR ON JOINING YOUR PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET AND CATTY CORNER ACROSS STREETS AND ALLEYS, AND SO IN THAT LITTLE BLOCK THERE AND THAT LITTLE AREA THERE, YOU HAVE TO CONTACT THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS AND LEAVE YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION OR OR A PERSON THAT'S RESPONSIBLE OR MANAGING THE PROPERTY LEAVE THEIR INFORMATION IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE. AND THE FOURTH ONE PREMISES ARE TREATED AS AN ESTABLISHED ESTABLISHMENT UNDER CURFEW PROVISIONS. SO THIS DEALS WITH THE PARTY HOUSE WHERE THE WHERE THE TEENAGE PARENTS RENT A PARTY HOUSE FOR THE WEEKEND OR FOR A PARTICULAR NIGHT AND THEN JUVENILE SHOW UP AND THEY HAVE A PARTY. UM ONCE 11 O'CLOCK ON, OR 11 O'CLOCK ON WEEKDAYS AND 12 O'CLOCK ON WEEKENDS. GET THERE. 
          THE POLICE HAVE A TOOL TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NO JOE JUVENILES AT THE LOCATION AND IF THERE ARE JUVENILES AT THE LOCATION AND THE PROPERTY OWNER CAN BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTSH COUNCILOR WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YES, SIR. WOULD YOU GO BACK TO THE SLOT RIGHT BEFORE THAT ONE. BUT IT BULLET THREE YES. THAT'S THE AREA WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN MY MOST COMPLAINTS FROM NEIGHBORS. SUDDEN YOU'VE GOT THIS BUSINESS NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOBODY. THEIR STORY IS NOBODY TOLD THEM. NOBODY CONTACT HIM. THEN WE GET INTO THE OTHER ISSUES WITH NORA'S OR PARTIES OR SOMETHING. THAT'S THAT'S IT SEEMS TO BE THE TRIGGER. BUT BULLET NUMBER THREE HAS BEEN AS CREATED THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE I KNOW IN MY DISTRICT. ALL RIGHT. 
          SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS UM. ARE THERE ANY CONSEQUENCES? FOR NOT DOING THAT, OR WHETHER THE TOOLS FOR NOT DOING THAT. BECAUSE OVERWHELMING LIKE LIKE, SAID MY DISTRICT THAT'S THE BIGGEST ONE NOBODY TOLD US NOBODY, YOU KNOW , THEN WE HAVE PD FOLKS ARE RICKS FOR TEAM COME OUT THERE. 
          SO CAN YOU TALK ABOUT NUMBER THREE. DO WE HAVE ANY LEVERAGE? HOW CAN WE ENFORCE THAT? SURE IT WOULD GO BACK TO FIRST A WOULD BE ISSUED A WARNING FROM OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THEN WE COULD POTENTIALLY SUSPEND THEIR PERMIT FOR VIOLATING THIS PROVISION. THAT'S EXPRESSED IN CHAPTER 26 THAT THEY MUST DO THIS. IF THEY DO NOT DO THAT, UM, WE CAN SUSPEND IT, SUSPEND THEIR PERMIT. INITIALLY THEY WILL THEN HAVE TO COME IN AND SIGN A COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY, SAYING THAT THEY WILL COMPLY WITH THIS WITH THIS REGULATION IN THE FUTURE IF THEY CONTINUE TO VIOLATION VIOLATE THE PROVISIONS. ONCE THEY'RE SUSPENDED, THEN WE CAN PERMANENTLY REVOKED THAT PERMIT WHERE THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO OPERATE THAT THAT BUSINESS ON THAT AT THAT PREMISES IN THE FUTURE. SO WILL THEY HAVE TO SHOW PROOF? IF THERE IS A COMPLAINT, EITHER PD OR A CODE PEOPLE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SHOW POST THAT IN FACT, THEY HAVE TAKEN CARE OF, BUT IT THREE WHAT WE COULD DO IS WE COULD WE COULD HAVE THEM AS PART OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS. WE CAN HAVE THEM SHOW COPIES OF THE NOTICE IS THAT THEY'RE SENDING OUT AND SIGN A CERTIFICATIONS STATING THAT THEY DID, UM, PROVIDE THIS TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. 
          THAT'S THE THAT'S PROBABLY THE MAYBE THE EASIEST WAY OF DOING THAT, BUT SORT OF THAT WOULD BE, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE MOSTLY BASED ON COMPLAINTS, BUT, YEAH, WE COULD CERTAINLY MAKE THAT PART OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS . YES SIR. I WOULD. I WOULD SUPPORT YOUR YOUR FIRST OPTION THERE. I THINK IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING IN THE FRONT END OF THE PROCESS. TO BE SURE, SO THEY DIDN'T DIDN'T CATCH UP WHEN OUR TEAM GOES OUT THERE. BUT THIS SPEEDY OR CODE THERE ARE CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE. IT'S BECOMES, HE SAYS, SHE SAYS KIND OF THING. AND IF WE CAN BUILD IN SOMETHING AND THE PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT THAT BULLET NUMBER THREE IS TAKEN CARE OF AT REALLY APPRECIATE. YOU KNOW, ANY THOUGHTS THAT YOU CAN GIVE TO THAT OR COMMITTEE WILL GIVE ANY THOUGHT TO THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. HMM. CUSTOMER BASS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BRIAN. I KNOW YOU AND I HAD PLENTY CONVERSATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT, BUT COUPLE THINGS REAL QUICK. UM SOME OTHER CITIES ARE DOING LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, TO ADDRESS THE, UH YOU KNOW, INFORMING PROPERTY, THE NEIGHBORS. UM SOME CITIES. I KNOW. OKLAHOMA CITY, FOR EXAMPLE , REQUIRES A NOTICE ON THE DOOR. UM THE PROPERTY OWNER INFORMATION. UM, AND OF COURSE THAT YOU KNOW, WITH IF OTHER CITIES WERE REQUIRING THAT AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, GETTING AWAY WITH HAVING THE PROPERTY INFORMATION POSTED ON THE DOOR OF THE OVER THE PROPERTY. THEN YOU KNOW THAT COULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD DO AS WELL AND THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE HE SAID. SHE SAID OF WHETHER NEIGHBORS WERE INFORMED OR NOT. UM OTHER THINGS. UM WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I LIKE TO THINK OF IT KIND OF YOU KNOW WHAT SAFETY WHAT SAFETY ISSUES? WHAT SAFETY REQUIREMENTS DO WE HAVE? FOR YOU KNOW FOR HOTELS, UM AND WE HAVE THOSE SAME FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS. UM 
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BLACK, FOR EXAMPLE, AGAIN, AND I DID A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THE OKLAHOMA CITY BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO HAVE GOTTEN PRETTY GOOD AT GETTING SOME OF THESE RULES, YOU KNOW, LASTING FOR A WHILE, UM AND THEY'RE LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY ALSO REQUIRE FIRE EXTINGUISHERS ON THE PROPERTY. 
          UM I DON'T KNOW IF WE REQUIRE THAT ON OUR RENTAL PROPERTIES THAT WOULD FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY OR NOT, UM, BUT OTHER THAN THOSE TWO THINGS, I THINK MOST OF THE MOST OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED HERE IN A REALLY APPRECIATE THE EFFORT YOU PUT INTO THIS. THANK YOU. I DON'T THINK THE NOTICE ON THE DOORS WILL BE A PROBLEM LEGALLY, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO HAPPEN, UM, IN REGARD TO WHAT SAFETY REGULATIONS WERE WE REQUIRE TEXAS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN OKLAHOMA. AS FAR AS STATE LAW AND SPECIFICALLY THE STATE CONSTITUTION AND HAVE THE SUPREME COURT OF TEXAS INTERPRETS THE STATE COMPETENT UM, CONSTITUTION AND PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND SPECIFICALLY WHAT THIS SUPREME COURT OF TEXAS HAS SAID, IS THAT THE SHORT TERM RENTALS THERE BEING BS AND THE VIN MODES OF THE WORLD. WHAT THEY WERE OFFERING IS MORE AKIN TO RESIDENTIAL USE THAN A COMMERCIAL USE. AND SO UNLESS WE'RE WILLING TO REQUIRE SPECIFIC REGULARLY REGULATIONS TO OUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES. UM THEN WE'RE A LITTLE LIMITED IN WHAT WE CAN REQUIRES AS A YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, SOME CITIES HAVE TRIED INITIALLY TO REQUIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. AND WHICH OF COURSE PRICE FROM OUT OF THE MARKET FOR BEING ABLE TO LEASE THEIR PROPERTY OUT AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL COURTS DIDN'T LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEY SAID, YOU DON'T REQUIRE THIS FROM YOUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. WHY WOULD YOU REQUIRE THIS FOR SOMETHING THAT'S MORE AKIN TO A SINGLE FAMILY USE THAN A COMMERCIAL USE AND WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH THE QUARTER ON THAT THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY PERSONALLY DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH THE COURT. BUT I'M ALSO NOT ON THE SUPREME COURT, SO I DON'T REALLY I'M GONNA SAY IN THE MATTER, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE IN TEXAS, TEXAS IS VERY PROTECTIVE OF PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS WHEN IT COMES TO ESPECIALLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          OKAY? ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS DISCUSSION. ARE YOU? WELL. THANK YOU. OBSERVATION BOXES FLASHING . OKAY WELL, YOUR MIC IS ON. LET'S JUST GO WITH THAT. COUPLE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I'VE BEEN WORKING. OH THE DEFINITION OF MINOR YOU HAVE HERE, IT SAYS ANY PERSON UNDER 17. IS IT 17 AND UNDER OR UNDER 17. IT'S UNDER 17 . OKAY SO PERSON OF MAJORITY WOULD BE 17 OR OLDER THEN IS THAT OKAY? JUST TO DOUBLE CHECK. THAT ONE ALSO SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO PLACE THE PHONE NUMBER OF THE OWNER ON THE FRONT DOOR. THIS GOES TO COUNSELING BASSES. ISSUE. UH, THEORETICALLY COMMITTED. WE COULD JUST PUT THAT NUMBER ON THE FRONT DOOR WITH WITHOUT ANY DESCRIPTION OF WHAT IT IS OR ANYTHING, SAYING THAT THIS IS A LANDLINE OF THIS NUMBER OF THE RESIDENTS HERE. 
          AND IF YOU'RE A NEIGHBOR WHO WILL GOES UP AND KNOCKS AND YOU JUST SEE A NUMBER. YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, TOO. SO I LIKE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS IS THE NUMBER OF THE RESIDENTS HERE AS WELL. AND THEN ALSO, WE TALKED ABOUT THE THERE'S A NUMBER THAT MUST BE MONITORED 24 HOURS A DAY IF THAT NUMBER IS NOT MONITORED 24 HOURS A DAY. IS THERE ANY PROVISION FOR WHAT CAN BE DONE? IS THERE? YEAH IF IT'S NOT CHECKED, CAN WE PULL THE PERMIT AT THAT POINT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT MODERN AND JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THAT, ISN'T HE CLARIFICATION FOR YOU KNOW, CONSEQUENCES IF THAT ISN'T MONITORED 24 HOURS A DAY? CERTAINLY UH, IF AND I WOULD SAY THAT WE PROBABLY WANT TO BE REASONABLE OR ENFORCEMENT OF THAT. BUT CERTAINLY IF WE MAKE THREE ATTEMPTS TO CALL AND THEY HAVE NOT BEEN MONITORING THE PHONE, THEN IT'S A VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCE AND OVER A. JUST A BULLET POINT ON SEVERAL BULLET POINTS OF HOW THEY'RE IF THEY'RE NOT MONITORING THEIR CALLS, AND NOT RETURNING CALLS WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME WITHIN A SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME THAN YOU THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE JUST BUILDING A CASE TOWARDS THAT. 
          THANK YOU. AND I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS A TRIGGERED A THOUGHT IN MY HEAD THAT I MEANT TO SAY IN MY INTRODUCTION THAT I KNOW MISS HORNE AND MR BARKER WOULD WANT ME TO SAY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMMITTEE WAS, UM CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT IS THE 
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UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS STR ORDINANCE PROVIDES TOOLBOX TO BOTH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT OR CODE ENFORCEMENT ARE BUILD INSPECTION. THIS TOOLS TO SOLVE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE HAVING HERE TO FOUR. WE'VE HAD A VERY DIFFICULT TIME SOLVING BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD HAVEN'T HAD THE RIGHT TOOLS IN PLACE TO DO IT. NOW. HAVING SAID THIS, THESE THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS ARE RESOURCE INTENSIVE. AND TIME INTENSIVE AND SO THE IDEA THAT WE CAN THE COUNCIL PASSES THIS ORDINANCE AND THEN ANY TIME YOU RECEIVED A COMPLAINT FROM FROM ONE OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS OF A HOUSE, AND IT'S NOT AN ONGOING PROBLEM, THAT'S WORTHY OF IT. IF YOU THINK THAT IF COUNCILS UM UM EXPECTATION IS THAT. WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND START 100 INVESTIGATIONS OR 20 INVESTIGATIONS IN THE NEXT MONTH TO SHUT DOWN SOME OF THESE SHORT TERM RENTALS. I'M AFRAID COUNCIL WILL BE DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE THIS WILL REQUIRE A LOT OF TIME TO DO THIS, BUT IT PROVIDES ARE ARE FOLKS THAT ARE CHARGED WITH ENFORCING THESE ORDINANCES? THE ABILITY TO DO IT, AND I THINK THAT'S THAT THAT CAUTIONARY NOTE SHOULD BE PLACED IN FRONT OF YOU ALL AS WE GO FORWARD AND TALKING ABOUT THIS I LIKE A LOT OF THESE, I THINK THE NEIGHBORS SURROUNDING IT, KNOWING WHO THE OWNER IS AND HAVING A WAY TO CONTACT THEM OR THE PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE IS VERY GOOD STEP TO HOPEFULLY REDUCING A LOT OF THESE ISSUES THAT WE'RE SEEING. SO I APPRECIATE AND THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. VERY GOOD. I'M ALMOST AFRAID TO ASK ANYONE ELSE. AFTER THE LAST RESPONSE, I GOT FROM THAT QUESTION. OKAY SO AS PRESENTED, I THINK EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT THERE WAS, UH. A SUGGESTION ON THE POSTED PHONE NUMBER. YES I'LL DO THE PHONE NUMBER AND CONTACT INFORMATION AND NAME GENERAL IN AND THEN THE SECOND POINT PICKED UP WAS THE MONITORING OF THE PHONE. DID I MISS THEM? YEAH. I MEAN, DID I MISS ANY OTHER POINTS? I DON'T THAT I THAT I CAN'T ONCE I ADD THESE TWO IN IS THIS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD BE READY TO FOR US TO BRING TO THE REFORM WILL VOTE ONCE I ADD THOSE IN THINK IT CONSENT AGENDA ITEM. WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. YES. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. AND THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM. FOR F DEVELOPMENT SERVICES 
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COMMITTEE REPORT. OH, SORRY. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. UM WE HAVE TWO ITEMS AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO POUR ON TODAY AND THE FIRST IS AMENDING THE GDC REQUIREMENTS. FOR PLACING EXISTING SCREENING BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES , AND ALSO OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS AND THOROUGHFARES. AND I SAW MR GUERIN WALK IN HERE. AND IN THE PACKET WE HAD, UM. SOME LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE ADDING TO OUR ORDINANCE SECTION 4.39 ABOUT UM. SCREENING. THAT'S BEEN WELL, EXACTLY WHAT I JUST SAID. SCREENING BETWEEN DIFFERENT USES THAT WERE, UM WE'RE LOOKING TO ADDRESS THAT HAVE BEEN DAMAGED OR NEED TO BE REPLACED AND UM. MISS KAREN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SUMMARIZE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, IF YOU WOULD FOR ME. ABSOLUTELY THANK YOU. SO, STARTING WITH THE FIRST ITEM YOU MENTIONED REGARDING SCREENING UH UM COMMERCIAL OR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, MEANING SINGLE FAMILY TO FAMILY. DEVELOPMENT THE CHANGE THAT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT CAME OUT OF COMMITTEE WAS, UM, ANY REPLACEMENT OF AN EXISTING SCREENING DEVICE. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IN MASONRY WALL IF AN OWNER CHOOSES TO REPLACE THAT WALL, IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED WITH A SIMILAR LEVEL OF OPAQUE SCREENING. SIMILAR CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, SO MASONRY WALL FROM MASONRY WALL THEY CANNOT REPLACE IT WITH A TRANSPARENT METAL FENCE. IN OTHER WORDS, SO THAT'S THAT'S THE INTENT BEHIND THAT IF I CAPTURE THAT CORRECTLY, YES, AND THERE, I BELIEVE IN THE D C. 
          THERE WERE THREE OPTIONS FOR SCREENING IN ONE WAS MASONRY. THE OTHER IS A LANDSCAPE BERM, AND THE THIRD WAS A WROUGHT IRON FENCE WITH LANDSCAPING AND WE'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE LIKE WITH, LIKE OKAY? YES. THE NEXT ITEM IS BETWEEN THOROUGHFARES. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. YES THE OTHER CHANGE HAS TO DO WITH RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG THOROUGHFARES , SO SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOUSES ALONG TYPE D THOROUGHFARES ARE LARGER. IN GARLAND CURRENTLY. DEVELOPERS HAVE THE OPTION OF WHEN A NEIGHBORHOOD OR NEW NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR EXAMPLE, BACKS UP TO A THOROUGHFARE. THEY HAVE 
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THE OPTION OF THAT PERIMETER SCREENING, BEING A MISSION OR WALL OR A METAL ORNAMENTAL FENCE WITH LANDSCAPING. SO THE COMMITTEE UM RECOMMENDS REMOVING THE METAL ON METAL METAL FENCE AS AN OPTION. AND JUST STICKING WITH THE MASONRY WALL WITH AN EXCEPTION OF, UM, ALLOWING A METAL ORNAMENTAL FENCE. UM, WHEN VIEWING INTO FROM THE ROADWAY INTO COMMON AREAS OR THE END OF THE COLD, A SACK. SOMETIMES YOU KIND OF SEE THAT WITH A BOLD PEDESTRIAN OPENING AT THE END OF A CUL DE SAC OR LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPE AREAS. THE CITY OF RICHARDSON ACTUALLY HAS THAT EXCEPTION INTO THEIR CODE, WHICH WE DISCUSSED DURING COMMITTEE AND THE COMMITTEE LIKE THAT PROVISION, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UM MASONRY WALL ALONG THOROUGHFARES FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND THIS THIS WAS REALLY TOO. ADDRESS AN ISSUE. THAT COMMITTEE HAD SEEN THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BUILD A BROADER FENCE AND HAVE SOMEONE'S BACKYARD BE VISIBLE FROM THE THOROUGHFARE THROUGH THAT RIGHT ARM FENCE. WHILE THE LANDSCAPE IS GROWING AND TO PROVIDE MORE PRIVACY FOR THEM, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MASONRY WALL. OKAY? VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS ON THIS. OH, IS THERE A MORE THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY. 
          I REMEMBER LET'S TALKING ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO TELL YOU, DEVELOPER THE TYPE OF MATERIAL AND THAT TYPE OF THING. UH, THAT THEY COULD USE IS THAT THAT IS FOR BUILDING STRUCTURES AND NOT WALL, NOT FENCES OR FENCES. RIGHT? THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. MAYOR PRO TEM MORRIS. YOU DON'T THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM YEAH, AND ONE OF THE DEVELOPMENTS NEWEST DEVELOPMENTS SAID I THINK COUNCILMAN HEDRICK, UM WAS WAS REFERENCING IN MY DISTRICT, OR MAYBE THEY'LL BE. THERE MAY BE SOME IN HIS AS WELL AS LONG CENTERVILLE AND COUNTRY CLUB, AND IT IS EMBARRASSING TO DRIVE BY AND WATCH. THROUGH THE SCANTY FENCE, AND THEY'LL SCANTY SHRUBS AND WATCH PEOPLE. UH YOU KNOW, PLAYING WITH THEIR KIDS AND WATCHING THEIR TELEVISIONS SO ALONG THOROUGHFARES THAT WAS, UM THAT'S BEEN A REQUEST FROM A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT HAVE CONTACTED ME. AND I THINK IT'S A REASONABLE REQUIREMENT. ONE THING THAT, UM I WANTED TO SUGGEST ADDING, IN VIEW OF A LOT OF RECENT, UM EVEN ZONING CHANGE CATEGORY CHANGES THAT WE HAVE PASSED. UM SECTION 4.40 THE PERIMETER SCREENING BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND DETACHED AND TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THOROUGHFARES. I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND INCLUDE OR ADD INTO THAT THE NEW MULTI FAMILY ZERO HORIZONTAL MULTI FAMILY, HOWEVER , WE'RE GOING TO CATEGORIZE THAT. I THINK THAT SHOULD BELONG. UM I THINK THIS SHOULD APPLY TO THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE UM. MORE THAN THEY ARE TRADITIONAL APARTMENT LIKE SO UE . I'M I'M IN IN FAVOR OF THIS. I THINK THIS IS FAIRLY SIMPLE AND IT WILL MAKE THE CITY LOOK BETTER. AND CERTAINLY, UM COUNCILWOMAN LOOKED LIKE CERTAINLY WENT TO BAT FOR HER. 
          CITIZENS WITH A WALL THAT CAME DOWN THAT WAS BEING REPLACED. NOT WITH A LIKE WALL AND, UM, THAT WOULD THAT HELPED ORIGINATE . UM THAT PARTICULAR, UM, CHANGE HERE, WHICH I THINK IS ALSO WISE. SO THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY? ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. THERE SEEMS TO BE GENERAL AGREEMENT ON THIS ONE. UM THE INCLUSION OF THE SF ZERO IS THAT ONE CLARIFICATION THAT BETWEEN S F ZERO AND THOROUGHFARES ONLY, OR BETWEEN SF ZERO AND OTHER PRESIDENT ELLEN USES. AND MAYOR . IF I COULD CLARIFY, I'LL SORRY I WILL GO BACK AND CONFIRM. BUT I BELIEVE IN THE ZERO ORDINANCE. 
          WE DID REFERENCE THIS SECTION 4.440 FOR PERIMETER SCREENING BELIEVE THE ONE IN PROCESS CURRENTLY WAS VESTED UNDER, YOU KNOW IT WAS SUBMITTED WELL BEFORE THAT ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED, BUT I BELIEVE WE DID, BUT I WILL CONFIRM THAT GO AHEAD. SORRY, MAYOR. UM BUT WITH THIS ORDINANCE CHANGE SHOULD THAT NOT BE INCLUDED SPECIFICALLY IN THE LANGUAGE? WHAT YOU MEAN IN THE TITLE, FOR EXAMPLE? YES MA'AM. OKAY ALRIGHT. JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE CROSSING ALL OUR T S AND DOTTING OUR LIFE. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY? ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING FURTHER. I THINK WE'RE ALL GOOD. THAT ONE SEEMS TO BE YES. THANK YOU WILL AND PART TWO FIRE SPRINKLER 
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REQUIREMENTS FOR BUILDINGS. YES NEXT ITEM IS A FIRE. SPRINKLE REQUIREMENTS FOR BILLIONS. I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE FIRE CHIEF UP AND WE HAD SOME DISAGREEMENT ON OUR COMMITTEE ABOUT THIS NEXT PROVISION, AND IT MAY REQUIRE A BIT OF EXPLANATION. THERE'S UM TWO PROVISIONS THAT CURRENTLY ALLOWED UNDER THE BUILDING CODE THAT ADDRESSES THE REQUIREMENT OF FIRE SPRINKLERS, AND IT HAS TO DO BASED UPON SQUARE FOOTAGE AND CHIEF. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO. IF YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION OR SOME KIND OF SUMMARY DESCRIPTION FOR US TO LET THE REST THE COUNCIL KNOW A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THIS. BRITAIN HAS A PRESENTATION PRESENTATION . I'M DISAPPOINTED SHE DIDN'T BRING THE MODELS AS WELL. SHE HAD MODELS IN OUR COMMITTEE. OH WONDERFUL WELL. NO DISK, NO DISK. NO. HMM. HYSTERICS. GO AHEAD, BRITTA. DO YOU WANT ME TO DO THIS? WE'RE GONNA CHIEF LOVE. 
          IT IS ABSENT TONIGHT. HE'S WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH BRITTA AND THE COMMITTEE ON THERE, SO I'M HERE TO FILL GAPS. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS. UH, UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT OPTIONS AND BE HERE IN A SECOND. SO I'M GONNA MOURN. YOU WERE GOING TO GET BACK TO A AND B TONIGHT. UNFORTUNATELY, OKAY, UM. WE'LL GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION. 
          IT'S A LITTLE BIT EDITED WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION SINCE THE COMMITTEE, BUT IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. UM SO I JUST WANT TO COVER HISTORY. UM THE NORTH NORTH NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITIES. OUR GARLAND AMENDMENTS. UM, SOME EXAMPLES OF HOW THIS. PLAYS OUT BETWEEN THESE TWO OPTIONS. A AND B. TALK ABOUT EXISTING BUILDINGS. AND OTHER METRO JURISDICTIONS AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO, SO YOU HAVE A FRAME OF REFERENCE FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR AREA. SO JUST QUICKLY ON HISTORY BACK IN ROUGHLY 1997. WE HAD A CODE SET OF CODE BOOKS, FIRE CODE BUILDING CODE THAT WE'RE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          THEY WERE CALLED THE UNIFORM CODES AND THEN, UH, THE GROUPS OF PEOPLE WHO WRITE CODE BOOKS GOT TOGETHER AND CREATED AN INTERNATIONAL SERIES OF CODES AND IN 2002, THE CITY ADOPTED THIS 2000 INTERNATIONAL FIRE AND BUILDING CODE. THE PROVISIONS FOR FIRE SPRINKLERS I SHOULD MENTION ARE THE SAME IN BOTH BOOKS. AND SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AMENDING OUR ORDINANCES. WE WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THE AMENDMENTS ARE THE SAME BETWEEN THOSE TWO BOOKS. UM THE. THERE WAS A GUESS. ONE MINOR DISCREPANCY IN THAT CODE ADOPTION, WHICH WE'VE NOW RESOLVED, SO IT'S NOT MUCH OF AN ISSUE ANYMORE. UM THE BUILDING CODE AT THE TIME. SOME OF THE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TO THIS PRESENTATION, BUT UM THIS IS THE DISCREPANCY 12,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          SPRINKLERS REQUIRED THE FIRE CODE, SAID 7000 SQUARE FEET AGAIN. THIS IS HISTORY BACK TO 2002. SO IN 2006, THE CITY ADOPTED THE 2003 VERSION OF THIS CODE, AND THIS IS WHERE THE SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS CHANGED QUITE A BIT TO BE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IN OUR ORDINANCES. UM THERE WAS ADDITIONAL SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS ADDED TO OUR AMENDMENTS. UM, SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS WERE ALSO ADDED FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, DUPLEXES TOWN HOMES THAT WERE OVER 5000 SQUARE FEET THAT CAME ABOUT AT THAT TIME. UM. JUST TO MENTION THIS HAS ALSO BEEN ADDED THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT E M S RESPONSE TIMES SINCE THE COMMITTEE MEETING, AND SO HERE ARE SOME E M S RESPONSE TIMES FROM 2006 AND, UM CHIEF. YOU MAY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT AS FAR AS MODERN DAY. AH! SO THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COG WHICH IS THIS GROUP THAT MEETS LOCALLY CREATES A COORDINATING COMMITTEE THAT RECOMMENDS TWO OPTIONS TO DIFFERENT CITIES. WHEN YOU'RE ADOPTING YOUR OWN LOCAL ORDINANCES FOR FIRE AND BUILDING CODES. THE DREADED OPTION. A AND B SO OPTION A SO THE OPTION A BASICALLY IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE CODE HAS WRITTEN IN IT. WITHOUT AMENDMENTS. HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME CHANGES. ONE OF THEM IS SPRINKLING FOR BUILDINGS OVER 55 FT. IN HEIGHT, WHICH MAKE SOME SENSE. SOME MODIFICATIONS FOR HIGH PILED COMBUSTIBLE STORAGE. THOSE ARE TYPICALLY WAREHOUSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT HAVE CARDBOARD AND WOOD AND OTHER THINGS THAT MAY GET STACKED UP AND CREATE A FIRE HAZARD. AND ALSO ADDING A REQUIREMENT THAT NEW AND EXISTING SPRAY BOOTHS FOR PAINTING VEHICLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT ALSO HAVE SPRINKLERS WITHIN THEM. SO OPTION B. ADDED. UH HUH. CHANGED THE CODE TO ADD THESE AMENDMENTS, WHICH WOULD BE SPRINKLING AND BUILDINGS OVER 35 FT IN HEIGHT. SPRINKLING AGAIN FOR HIGH PILE, COMBUSTIBLE 
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STORAGE, NEW AND EXISTING SPRAY BOOTHS. UM BUILDINGS OVER 6000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE EXCEPT OPEN PARKING GARAGES. IT ALSO HAS AN AMENDMENT THAT SAYS THAT FIREWALLS, WHICH ARE WHILE THAT ARE RATED, UM TO VERY HIGH LEVEL COULD SEPARATE BUILDINGS IN TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS. YOU ACTUALLY SEE SOME OF THAT IN OLDER LIKE OLD DOWNTOWN HAS MASONRY WALLS BETWEEN BUILDINGS. AND SO THOSE WERE FIREWALLS OF THE DAY. UM SE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS RECOMMENDATIONS THE CITY WHEN WE ADOPTED THE 2006 CODE, WE ACTUALLY MADE SOME ADDITIONAL TWEAKS AND WE REDUCE THAT 6000 NUMBER DOWN TO 5000. UM WE ADD AN EXCEPTION THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU NOT TO SPRINKLER AND AWNING. 
          UM YOU COULD MAKE AN ADDITION OF LESS THAN 1000 SQUARE FEET AND NOT TRIGGER TRIGGER SPRINKLER SYSTEM. AND EXPANDED TENANT SPACES. I WONDER IF THAT WAS 1000 SQUARE FOOT OF EXPANSION. 
          OKAY THANKS. THANKS FOR THE ASSIST. THANK YOU. UM SO I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T BRING THE MODELS. WE SHOWED A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES. SO I'M GONNA GO. HENDERSON ASHTON IS GREAT. SO THIS WAS JUST TO ILLUSTRATE. THESE ARE SCALE MODELS, BUT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THIS OPTION A AND B WHEN IT COMES TO THIS 6000 SQUARE FOOT OR FOLLOWING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE. 
          SO, UM FOR EXAMPLE, A RESTAURANT . SORRY ABOUT THESE WOULD BE ABOUT THIS SIZE UNDER OPTION B, WHICH IS THE 6000 SQUARE FOOT RULE. UM. AND THEN A RESTAURANT . USING OPTION A WOULD BE ABOUT THIS SIZE. YOU CAN TELL THERE'S A BIT OF A DIFFERENCE, AND THIS WOULD BE NO SPRINKLERS, NO SPRINKLERS. YOU GO BIGGER THAN THAT, OR THERE'S SOME OTHER OPTIONS. WHERE IF YOU HAVE LOTS OF PEOPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU MIGHT STILL HAVE TO SPRINKLER BUILDING OF EITHER OF THESE SIZES, SO THERE'S OTHER RULES THAT COME INTO PLAY. BUT IF YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT YOUR SIZE, THIS IS KIND OF AN EXAMPLE. THIS WOULD BE LIKE A WAREHOUSE. YOU KNOW, A WAREHOUSE THAT 6000 SQUARE FEET. AND THIS WOULD BE A WAREHOUSE THAT WOULD BE QUITE A BIT LARGER AGAIN. 
          NEITHER ASSUMING CERTAIN OTHER THINGS WERE MET. NEITHER OF THOSE THINGS WOULD NEED A SPRINKLER SYSTEM BETWEEN THE OPTION A AND B SO JUST GIVES YOU A ROUGH IDEA OF THE DIFFERENCE IS THERE'S LOTS OF OPTIONS IN A CHART THAT WE COULD GET INTO, BUT I THINK WE DON'T NEED TO GO THERE TONIGHT. UNLESS YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT. SO EXISTING BUILDINGS COMES UP A LOT EXISTING BUILDINGS. IF THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THE USE OF THE OCCUPANCY, THEY FALL UNDER THE RULES THAT WERE IN EFFECT AT THE TIME THAT THE BUILDING WAS BUILT THROUGH THE TENANT SPACE WAS FINISHED. A CHANGE IN OF OCCUPANCY. THEN THERE'S REQUIREMENTS IN BOTH BUILDING AND FIRE CODE THAT THAT NEW OCCUPANCY IF IT BECOMES MORE I'LL CALL IT HAZARDOUS, BUT I CAN EXPLAIN THAT. BUT IF IT BECOMES HAS MORE FIRE HAZARD. YOU WOULD THEN NEED TO POTENTIALLY ADD A SPRINKLER SYSTEM OR MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THE CODE TO BRING IT UP TO THE CURRENT CODE REQUIREMENTS. UM I ALWAYS USE THE YOU KNOW. DAYCARE DYNAMITE FACTORY. OBVIOUSLY, THOSE ARE A LOT DIFFERENT. SO, UM IF YOU HAD A DAYCARE, AND YOU WANTED TO CHANGE IT TO DYNAMITE FACTORY, YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS TO MAKE THAT SAFE. UM SO. OPTIONS OPTION A, WHICH IS THE LESS MODIFICATIONS TO THE CODE, SO THE CITY'S DALLAS FORT WORTH AND ARLINGTON IN THIS METRO AREA ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE ADOPTED THAT , UH, THAT MODEL AND THEN OPTION B, WHICH IS THE 6000 SQUARE FOOT RULE OR 5000 SQUARE FOOT RULE, SOMETIMES IN CERTAIN JURISDICTIONS WOULD BE MESQUITA RICHARDSON, PLANO, AND YOU CAN READ THESE OBVIOUSLY, IRVING MCKINNEY, CARROLLTON, ROCKWELL FARMERS BRANCH, ALLEN FRISCO AND LEWISVILLE. AND IF YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH THOSE AGAIN, I CAN. BUT THERE YEAH. SOME OF THE JURISDICTIONS IMMEDIATELY AROUND US, UM AND SOME OF THE MORE MODERATE SIZED CITIES LIKE GARLAND. SO WE'VE GOT MORE DENTON DENTON DONE HAS MADE THEIR OWN RULES. AND SO THEY HAVE A 75 110,000 SQUARE FOOT RULE. AND SO THEY HAVE KIND OF STRADDLED A AND B. UM AND GRANDPARENTS. GRANDE PRAIRIE HAS DONE SOMETHING SIMILAR AND STRADDLED OPTIONS A AND B AND KIND OF DONE THEIR OWN THING. SO THAT GIVES YOU A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THIS OPTION A AND B AND WHEN WE'VE ADAPTED WHAT SIMILAR TO OPTION B, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR GIVE YOU ADDITIONAL INFORMATION I A BEST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. BRITTA THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, 
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CHIEFLY, UM SO ON THESE OPTIONS A AND B. THEY'RE BOTH MERELY GUIDELINES WERE NOT REQUIRED TO CHOOSE ONE OR THE OTHER CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. THE NATIONALS MORE CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO ALL OF THE FIRE MARSHAL'S GROUPS IN IN THE DALLAS 16 COUNTY REGION. MOST OF THEM ADOPT. THE OPTION B ROUTE YOU SAW DALLAS FORT WORTH, ARLINGTON OF ALL ADOPTED OPTION A. MOST OF THEM ADOPTED OPTION B AND THEN SOME MODIFY IT DOWN TO 5000 INSTEAD OF 6000 RIGHT BEHIND, THAT IS SO THAT THE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE COMING INTO A COMMUNITY DON'T HAVE TO GUESS EXACTLY WHAT THAT COMMUNITIES REGS ARE. THEY CAN AND THEY'RE MAKING THOSE INFORMATIONAL PHONE CALLS TO BRITTA'S OFFICE OR TO OUR OFFICE. THEY CAN ASK, DO YOU SPRINKLER AT 5000 OR 6000, AND WE CAN ANSWER THAT PRETTY QUICKLY, AND THEY ARE ACCUSTOMED TO HAVING A SET. GROUP OF REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. AND SO WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 5000? YES, SIR. UM AND HOW WOULD YOU ADDRESS THE STATE OF OUR UM FIRE DEPARTMENT WHEN THAT OPTION WAS CHOSEN COMPARED TO NOW. BACK IN THE PRESENTATION. WE SAW THAT WE HAD ABOUT 10 STATIONS AT THE TIME WITH A RESPONSE TIME OF WHAT WAS BORN A HALF MINUTES. YOU GET OVER TO THAT PAGE. I APOLOGIZE RIGHT THERE. UH, ON NINE A.M. S INCIDENTS. WE HAD A RESPONSE TIME OF FIVE MINUTES. AND HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO CURRENT TODAY ON FIRE INCIDENTS WHEREVER RESPONSE TIME IS 7.1 AVERAGE. SO ABOUT TWO MINUTES LONGER, OKAY? IT'S ACTUALLY SLOWER NOW. OKAY? IT WAS, I WOULD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT ONE WAS OKAY. THE REASON BEHIND THAT IS CALL VOLUMES HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED AS WELL AS TRAFFIC CONDITIONS. SO OKAY? UM I APPRECIATE AGAIN. HONESTLY I WOULD. I WOULD PREFER TO SEE SOMETHING YOU KNOW, AS RISK BASED AS POSSIBLE. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT OPTION A AND B. YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY, I'D BE WILLING TO, YOU KNOW TO BE OKAY WITH OPTION B. AS LONG AS IT DIDN'T HAVE THE RESTRICTION OF 5000 SQUARE FEET. I'D LIKE TO SEE IT BE 6000 SQUARE FEET KNOW OF TOO MANY INSTANCES WHERE IT'S REALLY HINDERED OUR ABILITY TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES HERE TO GARLAND. BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU KNOW THAT AND ALSO NOT VIEWING A FIREWALL AS A FIREWALL. THOSE TWO THINGS ARE THE BIGGEST OBSTACLES I SEE. TO OUR CURRENT GUIDELINES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SMITH. THANK YOU, MARY AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS. I WAS ABOUT TO ASK, I THINK WAS JUST ANSWERED AND WHERE I WAS GOING TO ASK WHAT WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE? AND IT'S A IT'S ONE OF COST. I WOULD IMAGINE. THAT IS WHAT BROUGHT THIS FORWARD. AH! CHIEF IS A. I'M TRYING TO COMPARE A FIREWALL TO A SPRINKLER SYSTEM. BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF HOW I'M REDUCING THIS IN MY BRAIN. I KNOW THAT A SPRINKLER SYSTEM IS GOING TO PROACTIVELY DAMPEN THE FIRE. IT MAY GIVE US A BIT BETTER SAFETY FOR PERSONNEL. TELL ME ABOUT HOW FIREWALLS WORK IN PRACTICE. ARE THEY EVERYTHING THEY'RE CRACKED UP TO BE, TOO. THEY HAVE WEAKNESSES. WHAT'S THE YOU KNOW WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE GOOD AND BAD? THE GOOD ABOUT FIREWALLS IS WHEN THEY'RE NEW AND THEY'RE INTACT. THEY TEND TO CONTAIN FIRE INTO THAT COMPARTMENT. THE BAD THING ABOUT FIREWALLS IS WHEN THEY'RE NOT NEW. THEY'RE NOT INTACT BECAUSE SOME OCCUPANT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, SOME SERVICE COMPANY, SOME CABLE COMPANY HAS PERFORATED THAT WALL , WHICH NOW IF WE HAVE A FIRE, AND I CAN SEE A SEPARATED FROM OCRACY B WITH A FIREWALL. THE FIREWALL HAS BEEN PERFORATED WERE ACTUALLY PICK UP THE VENTURI EFFECT, AND IT BECOMES A BLOWTORCH INTO OCTOPUSSY B AND C AND THE AND THAT'S THE REASON WE DON'T ALLOW. FIREWALLS IS THE ONLY SEPARATOR ON RECEIPT. DO WE ALLOW FOR A AND INSPECTION PROGRAM THAT IS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WOULD GO THROUGH WITH THE SPRINKLER SERVICE FOR FIREWALL TO LOOK FOR THOSE DEFECTS OR DO WE DOES OUR POLICY ALLOW FOR THAT AT ALL? YES, SIR. WE DO DO FIRE SAFETY INSPECTIONS. BUT AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TIMES THAT SOME OCCUPANCIES WE VISIT. UM ONCE A YEAR, AND THESE ARE THE HIGH HAZARD DOCUMENTS IS THE S UPS THAT Y'ALL APPROVED FOR HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THE MOM AND POP RETAIL OPERATION. TYPICALLY WE'RE GOING TO BE OUT THERE ABOUT EVERY 2 TO 3 YEARS TO TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON 
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THERE, AND A LOT OF TIMES THAT WILL BE EXITS, EXTINGUISHERS, EXTENSION CORDS, AND WE WON'T BE LOOKING INTO ADDICT SPACES IS AS MUCH OKAY, SO ATTIC AND SUB FLOOR KIND OF POST SOME PROBLEMS BECAUSE OF VISIBILITY INTO THAT SYSTEM. YES, SIR. UM Y 5000 INSTEAD OF 6000. OR 7000 OR 2000, OR YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT IS HOW DO WE GET TO THAT? HOW DO WE GET TO THAT MAGIC NUMBER? THE THEY'RE REQUIRED. FIRE FLOW IS KIND OF WHERE THE 11,000 BREAKDOWN REQUIRED. FIRE FLOW ID FIRE. HOW MUCH WATER DOES IT TAKE TO EXTINGUISH THAT FIRE AND A 5000 SQUARE FOOT FULLY INVOLVED? IT REQUIRES A FLOW RATE OF 1667 GALLONS PER MINUTE. BUT SELDOM DO WE HAVE 5000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS FULLY INVOLVED? SO I'VE REDUCED THAT DOWN TO 25% OF INVOLVEMENT, WHICH WOULD NOT BE UNEXPECTED TO FIND AND UNPROTECTED BEING A SPRINKLERED BUILDING THAT'S ON FIRE FOUND AT 25% INVOLVED IS STILL REQUIRES 416 GALLONS PER MINUTE. BEING PLACED TO THE SEAT OF THE FIRE, RIGHT? UH INTO THE ACTUAL BURNING COMPARTMENTS OF THAT BUILDING, RIGHT? IN A 6000 SQUARE FEET. IT'S ONLY 500 GALLONS PER MINUTE. BUT A STANDARD FIRE HOSE BEING AN ANSWER IN THREE QUARTER IN DIAMETERS, SO IT'S MOBILE. IT'S LIGHT ENOUGH FOR TWO PEOPLE TO MOVE. IT CAN FLOW ABOUT 150 GALLONS PER MINUTE. THREE LINES CAN PUT OUT A 5000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING 25% INVOLVED VERSUS. FOUR LINES TO GET A 6000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. 25% INVOLVED AND THAT IS THE REASON THAT MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO STICK WITH THE 5000 DON'T ALLOW FIREWALLS AS SEPARATORS AND GO WITH THE CODE THAT WE'VE, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD. UM IN INSTANCES WHERE WE'RE SEEING BUILDINGS COME IN AND GO UP FOR REMODEL. UM. IF THEY'RE BRINGING IN A HIGHER LEVEL OF HAZARD THAN WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE. THEN IT'S A NONCONFORMING NEWS. UH BEFORE THAT POINT, UH, THEY'RE INCREASING THE RATE OF HAZARD. WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING THAT BUILDING AND COMPLIANT WITH WITH OUR CURRENT CODES THAT PART OF WHILE WE'RE HERE TONIGHT IS TO DISCUSS THAT. THE UM, LOWER HAZARD OR SAME HAZARD. WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THAT SAME NONCONFORMING USE ON THAT. I CAN SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO REQUIRE YOU TO SPRINKLER JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE HAD A CHANGE OF CEO. SO IT'S ONLY IF YOU'RE INCREASING THE HAZARD. OR IT'S BEEN VACANT . WHAT IS IT ALL NONCONFORMING USED TO SIX MONTHS. NONCONFORMING USES A ZONING. 
          RIGHT APPLY TO CHANGE OF OCCUPANCY. WELL IT WOULDN'T APPLY IF IT'S NO CHANGE OF OCCUPANCY WITHOUT A TIMEFRAME. IF IT'S A VACANT FOR SIX MONTHS, WOULD WE STILL REQUIRE THEM TO IF THEY BROUGHT IN A SIMILAR LEVEL OF HAZARD AFTER SIX MONTHS. WOULD WE LEAVE IT AT THAT SAME CLASSIFICATION. YES BECAUSE THE BUILDING CODE DOESN'T HAVE NONCONFORMING USES THE TERM ESSENTIALLY. GOOD JOB. UH I DID NOT PRE ASKED THAT QUESTION. THE MAN JUST HAD THE NUMBERS, SO THAT'S A THAT'S PRETTY COOL. KIND OF LIKE HE DOES THIS FOR A LIVING. WHAT KIND OF? YEAH, IT'S LIKE HE LIKE HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING. AND I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR OFF THE BEATEN PATH HERE, BUT THREE LINES VERSUS FOR PRACTICALLY SPEAKING. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I MEAN, DOES THAT MEAN ANOTHER TRUCK? DOES THAT MEAN WITH THREE PERSON FIRE COMPANIES? WE RESPOND WITH THREE ENGINES AND TWO LIGHTERS ON MOST BUILDING FIRES? UM, THE. THREE PERSON COMPANY YOU'RE GOING TO PUMP OPERATOR AN OFFICER AND A FIREFIGHTER, THE OFFICER AND FIREFIGHTER GONNA MAN A HOSE, SO THAT'S ONE ENGINE ONE HOSE AND IT KIND OF ESCALATES FROM THERE . SO THREE ENGINES, TWO LADDERS. ONE OF THOSE LADDERS IS A RAPID INTERVENTION TEAM TO WATCH OUT FOR AND RESCUE OUR OWN IF THEY GET IN A BIND. SO THEY'RE REALLY NOT DEPLOYABLE ASSET SO YOU WOULD CONSUME ALL OF YOUR FOR OTHER PIECES OF EQUIPMENT AND IN FULL ON FIREFIGHTING. NO OTHER ACTIVITIES GOING ON LIKE VENTILATION AND THOSE THINGS, SO IT'S AN EXTRA ALARM. OKAY OKAY. 
          AND SO YOUR PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE STICK WITH CURRENT CODE. AS THAT OPTION B. OR IS THAT JUST CURRENT CODE? NO OPTIONS. OPTION B WITH A REDUCTION TO 5000 SQUARE FEET. CORRECT, BRITTA. WELL, YES, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ADOPTED CURRENTLY IS THE FIVE 
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OPTION B. WITH THE CHANGE FROM 6000 TO 5000 IS WHAT'S CURRENTLY BEEN ON THE BOOKS, OKAY? AND I DID REACH OUT TO OUR OUR ASSOCIATION BACK SOME MORE STRINGENT APPROACH, OBVIOUSLY, FOR PERSONNEL SAFETY, AND THAT'S THE ANSWER. I EXPECTED TO GET FROM THEM. OKAY, I'LL TALK ABOUT THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. CANCER. WILLIAMS THANK THANK YOU, MARY. 
          I'M GETTING RICH ABOUT IF YOU JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. ONE CHIEF HAVEN'T HEARD THE TERM. 
          OTHER THAN I THINK, COMES FROM BEST TO MENTION IT. WHAT IS THE RISK FIT IN THIS WHOLE PICTURE? UH, THE PURPOSE OF A FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM PREDOMINANTLY IS TO PROTECT THE BUILDING AND THAT IS THAT'S THE ECONOMIC ENGINE FOR THE COMMUNITY OF GARLAND IS THOSE BUILDINGS AND THE MATERIALS THAT ARE INSIDE OF THEM AND ALSO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INSIDE OF THEM. SO WITH THAT GOAL IN MIND THE RISK OF ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE BEFORE WE REQUIRE THOSE SPRINKLERS IS WE'VE NOW INCREASE THE LEVEL OF RISK OF VITAMIN C'S FUTURE OCCUPANCIES IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THE EXISTING ARGUMENT SEES THERE'S REALLY NO CHANGE PER SE ON THOSE, IT WOULD JUST BE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. 6000 SQUARE FOOT INSTEAD OF THE 5000. IT'S ALSO INCREASES THE RISK TO OUR FIREFIGHTING ASSETS THAT GO INTO THESE BURNING BUILDINGS. UM IT'S THAT SMALL INCREASE IN GALLONS PER MINUTE. IT'S A SMALL INCREASE IN VOLUME OF FIRE, BUT IT IS A ADDITIONAL RISK THAT THOSE ASSETS ARE FACING. WHENEVER THEY GO THROUGH THAT FRONT DOOR. OKAY TAKING TAKING HER EXAMPLE OF THE THANKS TO CHILDCARE CENTER AND THEN DYNAMITE. UH MANUFACTURING. AH! TELL ME TO ME THAT THERE'S A THERE'S A WIDE GULF. RESC WIRES BETWEEN THOSE TWO. AND SO I'M TRYING TO TRYING TO GET CLEAR ON WHAT IS THAT UNDERSTAND? WHAT IS THAT? I'M HEARING. I'M HEARING SQUARE FOOTAGE. YOU KNOW THAT, BUT I'M NOT HMM. THE EXAMPLE THAT YOU YOU GAVE A WILD ONE. 
          YES. WHAT'S ITS IMPACT? IF AT ALL? ARGUMENTS. E CLASS USING THE ILLUSTRATION THAT SHE USED EARLIER IF I'VE GOTTA DAYCARE CENTER VERSUS SAID MAKES FIRECRACKERS. ALRIGHT I'VE GOT POWDER AND STUFF ACROSS THE STREET. I'VE GOTTA I'VE GOT TO HEALTHCARE SENATE ADJACENT TO IT. IT COULD BE IN THE SAME STRIP CENTER. SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE SAME OPTION B. 
          WHAT APPLY FOR NEW WOULD APPLY TO BOTH OF THOSE FACILITIES AND MY UNDERSTANDING THE RIGHT CHIEF . THEORETICALLY AN OPTION B DAYCARE CENTER WOULD BE SPRINKLERED AT IN GARLAND, 5000 SQUARE FEET, OKAY, AND ONE SQUARE FEET AND A DYNAMITE FACTORY WOULD BE SPRINKLERED AT 5001 SQUARE FEET. THEY'RE TREATED THE SAME WHEN YOU GET TO THAT THRESHOLD, OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. THEY'RE TREATED THE SAME. 
          ANYTHING SO A WAREHOUSE WOULD BE THE SAME AND ALL ALL ALL OF THE USES WOULD BE THE SAME USING THE OPTION B AS WE'VE AMENDED IT. THE WAY THE OPTION A WORKS A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED, BUT IT'S A MATRIX, WHICH BASICALLY UM IT HAS. IT'S THERE'S A MATRIX BUILT IN WHICH ASSESSES RISK BASED ON A COUPLE OF FACTORS MORE LIKE THREE BUT TWO MAJOR ONES, WHICH IS WHAT IS THE BUILDING MADE OF IS IT WOULD OR THINGS THAT BURN READILY OR IS IT CONCRETE WHERE IT DOESN'T BURN VERY READILY, SO THAT'S ONE FACTOR AND THEN THE USE OF IT IS ANOTHER FACTOR. SO YOU KNOW, UM, A CHURCH WITH A LOT OF OCCUPANTS WOULD BE CONSIDERED MORE HAZARDOUS THAN W THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE DIFFERENT, LIKE IF YOU HAVE 1000 OCCUPANTS IN A BUILDING, AND THEN YOU HAVE 10 OCCUPANTS IN THE SAME SIZE BUILDING, THE ONE WITH THE 1000 OCCUPANTS HAS MORE HAZARDOUS. SO TO SOME DEGREE, THE NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS PLAYS A FACTOR AND THEN ALSO WHAT'S IN THE BUILDING AS FAR AS MATERIAL. SO IF YOU HAVE, UM A BUILDING FULL OF PAPER THAT IS CAN BURN. OR IF YOU HAVE A BUILDING FULL OF STEEL PRODUCTS THAT DON'T BURN. THAT'S ANOTHER FACTOR. SO YOU KIND OF COMBINE ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND THEN YOU CAN BUILD BUILDINGS OF DIFFERENT SIZES WITHOUT SPRINKLER SYSTEMS, USING A CERTAIN MATRIX WITH LIMITS, RIGHT, SO THAT GIVES YOU A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO PLAY WITH, AND THAT'S HOW OPTION A WORKS IN THE REAL WORLD, AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN IT AND YOU HAVE TO APPLY IT. EVERY TIME BASED ON SPECIFIC FACTORS THAT THE BUILDING IS COMING AT YOU WITH. SO OKAY, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS OPTION A RISK IS INTEGRAL TO OPTION A ISSUE. THERE'S A RISK PROFILE BUILDINGS, A RISK PROFILE AND 
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OPTION A THAT AS YOU'VE EXPLAINED IT, IT MIGHT RIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT. YES, IT THAT'S BUILT INTO THAT SYSTEM. YES RIGHT. BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE FOR OPTION B CORRECT. WELL, OPTION B. IN THEORY, IT'S NOT. OTHER THAN FROM THE ASPECT OF A FIREFIGHTING GROUP. UM THE. THE OPTION. THEY RISK PROFILES, UH, TALKING ABOUT LIFE SAFETY AND BUILDING SAFETY. BUT AS SHE MENTIONED A NON COMBUSTIBLE STILL BUILDING WITH LARGE SPANS FULL OF COMBUSTIBLES. UM BUT MODERATE AND EVEN MILD COMBUSTIBLES IS A GREATER RISK OF A FIREFIGHTER THAN A SPRINKLERED STILL BUILDING WITH FOREIGN SPANS BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S THE OTHER. REASON THAT A LOT OF FIRE DEPARTMENTS HAVE ADOPTED THE LOWER RISK OF THE 5000 SQUARE FOOT, SO WE'RE REDUCING OUR RISK PROFILE AND NOT NECESSARILY THE RISK PROFILE OF THE BUILDING. ALTHOUGH THAT IS AN ADDED BONUS TO IT IS WE'RE PROTECTING THOSE ASSETS TO OKAY. MY LAST QUESTION. SO CHIEF, IF WE WERE TO ADAPT OPTION B. WHAT IF ANY IMPACT WITH THAT HAVE ON YOUR INSPECTION PROGRAM AT ALL? YOU MEAN OPTION? A. THE MORE WE ALREADY I'M SORRY. YEAH, OKAY. THE OPTION. A. YEAH UM, WE WOULD . WE WOULD STILL GET OUT THERE AS OFTEN AS WE CAN AND DO THOSE INSPECTIONS, BUT THEY'RE SIGNIFICANT, HIGHER RISK TO YOUR FIREFIGHTERS UNDER OPTION A. IF THE BUILDING CATCHES ON FIRE, THEN CATCH ON FIRE. IT'S GOOD TO GO. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU, MAN. THANK YOU, SIR. CANCER. 
          HEDRICK. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. I LIKE WHAT THE CHIEF SAID HOW THE BUILDINGS AS THE ECONOMIC ENGINE. IT'S THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES AND WHAT'S IN THE BUILDINGS? IT'S ALSO THE ALL THE WORKERS ARE EMPLOYED IN THE BUILDING ALL THE GOODS THEY PRODUCE ALL THE SERVICES OR THE PROPERTY TAX. THANKSGIVING MORNING AT FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE WITH DUCK CREEK COUNTRY CLUB CLUBHOUSE BURNING DOWN AND I'M SURE THAT THE OWNER OF THE CLUB HOUSE WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE HIS BUILDING BEEN SPRINKLED. I KNOW IT'S A VERY LARGE BUILDING. I TALKED TO HIM TODAY, IN FACT, AND HE IS STILL AS UPSET AS HE WAS IN TEARS THANKSGIVING MORNING. I WON'T DO ANYTHING TO PUT OUR FIREFIGHTERS LIKE MORE RISK, NOT FOR ADDITIONAL BUSINESS BECAUSE BUSINESS RIGHT NOW IS BEING LOST FROM THOSE WORKERS WHO ARE THE COUNTRY CLUB THAT MIGHT CLOSE BECAUSE OF THE FIRE THEY HAD AND I CAN'T SUPPORT GOING AGAINST WHAT THE CHIEF SAYS. AND MOVING OFF OF WHAT OUR CURRENT CODE IS AT OPTION B WITH THE 5000 SQUARE FOOT LIMIT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. MAYOR PRO TEM MORRIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS WAS. AN ISSUE THAT I HAD, UM SOME PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN WHEN LATHAM BAKERY CAME AND IT WAS ALMOST A SHOWSTOPPER FOR THEM BECAUSE OF THE 5000 SQUARE FOOT LIMITS, AND , UH, THEIR FIGHT EXISTING FIREWALL NOT BEING JUDGED ADEQUATE AS A FIREWALL BECAUSE IT WAS OLD. UM SO I CAME HERE TONIGHT. UM. BASICALLY WISHING FOR US TO GO BACK TO THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE ■I CAN ALWAYS MESSED THEM UP. NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS CAN NINE. OKAY THAT PLACE AND WE HAVE WAY TOO MANY ACRONYMS IN THIS JOB. UM, ANYWAY, UH, TWO THINGS HAVE GIVEN ME PAUSE ON THAT. OVERALL I DISLIKE ONE SIZE FITS ALL THINGS, WHICH IS WHAT OPTION B IS. I LIKE MORE NUANCED FIT LIKE A GLOVE OPTIONS LIKE OPTION. A, HOWEVER, THE CHIEFS INFORMATION ABOUT RESPONSE TIMES. WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I HAD HEARD UNTIL TONIGHT. UM, THAT IS SIGNIFICANT. UM THAT WE ARE, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL FIRE STATION NOW. UM OUR RESPONSE. TIME HAS NOT GONE DOWN. IT'S GONE UP. AND WE'RE REALLY BIG CITY. UM AND. SO AT THIS POINT I THINK UM. I AM OKAY WITH, UH. THE 5000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE NOW. THE OTHER. THE OTHER PART WAS YOUR DESCRIPTION OF THE HOUSES THE WATER WATER WOULD TAKE TO GET THAT WITH A 25% INVOLVEMENT IN THOSE DIFFERENT SIZE SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUILDINGS. THAT WAS REMARKABLY USEFUL. UM AND I WISH 
          [03:25:05]
I HAD KNOWN THAT EARLIER. BUT UM , ANYWAY, AT THIS POINT, I WILL BE IN FAVOR OF LEAVING IT ALONE IN THE WAY IT IS SO THANK YOU. CHIEFLY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I GUESS HER LUCK. UM DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA ON STRUCTURE FIRES? OVER 5000 SQUARE FEET. I'M JUST CURIOUS IF YOU HAD ANYTHING LIKE IN THE PAST YEAR. ONLY IN THE PAST WEEK. YEAH I GOT IT. NO I UNFORTUNATELY I DID NOT ANTICIPATE THAT QUESTION. OKAY, THAT'S OKAY. I WAS JUST CURIOUS , BUT I DIVERT TO THE EXPERT ON ALL THINGS FIRE, SO THANK YOU. OKAY? COUNCILOR MORE AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TRY TO WRAP THIS UP, OKAY? THANK YOU, MR BAKER. FEAR OF REGARDED DATING. ALL IT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID. AH IT SEEMS AND I'M DOING QUANTIFY AGAIN FOR MYSELF AND THEY POPULUS TERMS. UM, UNDERSTANDING. IT SEEMS THAT COST. I HAVE A LOT TO DO WITH WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE TONIGHT. AND THAT IS 5000 SQUARE FEET VERSUS 7000 SQUARE FEET. WILL COST THE BUILDER. IN THAT BASTARD THRESHOLD OF WHERE HE WOULD HAVE TO BUILD A SPRINKLER SYSTEM. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. OKAY. AND ON THE OTHER HAND , OF COURSE, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT CALLOUS MEMBER BASS WAS ALLUDING TO WHEN HE SPOKE, AND THAT IS THAT MEANS THAT WE MAY HAVE LESS PEOPLE TRYING TO COME TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEIR COSTS ARE GOING TO BE MUCH HIGHER. VERSUS 5000 SQUARE FEET FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS ALSO A COST AND THAT IS, IT COSTS A LOT LESS TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THE FIRE AND 5000 SQUARE FOOT THAN IT DOES ANYTHING SIGNIFICANTLY ABOVE. AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, OF COURSE, I WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE TO GO WITH THE 5000 SQUARE FEET. PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING NOW. PUBLIC SAFETY. WE'RE TALKING FAR SAFETY AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, SO THAT I THAT I GET THAT THAT'S THE SIMPLEST WAY THAT I'M LOOKING AT IT IS THAT THE PROPER WAY TO LOOK AT IT. THERE'S CERTAINLY NO RECALLS TO ASSOCIATED FOR A DEVELOPER OR A BUILDING OWNER WHENEVER THEY EXCEED THAT 5000 SQUARE FOOT THRESHOLD. IT'S. I DON'T HAVE THAT COST. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT CONSTRUCTION COST IS ON SPRINKLER SYSTEMS DAY, DO YOU? UM IT REALLY VARIES A LOT, BUT IT'S 3 TO $7 A SQUARE FOOT. I'M IN THAT IT'S RETROFITS ARE MORE EXPENSIVE, SO THERE'S QUITE A WIDE VARIETY OF COSTS. OF COURSE , WE'RE TALKING 7000 SQUARE FEET VERSUS 5000 SQUARE FEET. THERE IS WHERE IT'S SINGAPORE. OKAY, THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. YES, HER BEST. THANK YOU. JUST JUST COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS POINT. UM THIS ISN'T JUST FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS FOR EXISTING WITH CHANGE OF USE AS WELL. SO IF YOU GET A NEW TENANT IF YOU HAD A, UH OR IF YOU'RE BUILDING WAS, FOR LEAST FOR MORE THAN SIX MONTHS, AND THEN YOU GET A TENANT IT'S GOING TO NOW APPLY TO YOU AS WELL. IT'S NOT JUST FOR NEW BUILD EASIER WHEN, WHEN THE DEVELOPERS BUILDING IT. 
          TO YOU KNOW, THEY KNOW WHAT THEIR COSTS ARE UP FRONT, RIGHT? IT'S DIFFERENT WHERE YOU HAVE A SITUATION LIKE LATHAM BAKERY OR THERE WAS ONE IN DISTRICT EIGHT WITH ROBERT JOHN SMITH'S DISTRICT THAT HAD THIS SAME SITUATION. THAT'S WHY THIS ALL CAME UP. UM, SO IT'S NOT JUST YOU KNOW A DEVELOPER EATING THE COST OF PUTTING IT IN NEW THIS IS ALSO AFFECTS SOMEONE YOU KNOW WHO WHO JUST YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT THIS WAREHOUSE. IT'S 5030 SQUARE FEET OR I'VE GOT THIS OLD STRIP CENTER AND THEN JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CHANGE OF USE, OR BECAUSE IT WASN'T USED FOR SIX MONTHS NOW YOU'RE YOU KNOW? ALL THESE CURRENT CODES ARE APPLICABLE TO YOU. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU KNOW FOR ME. THE COMPROMISES TO YOU KNOW, GO WITH OPTION B AS A LOT OF OUR SISTER CITIES DO AT 6000 SQUARE FEET. WHEREAS ORIGINALLY I'D PREFER TO DO OPTION A RISK BASED MODEL, BUT EITHER. I MEAN , I'M FINE WITH EITHER ONE. BUT JUST ONCE YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT. OKAY? OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, UM I AM. NOT. IN FAVOR OF CHANGING FROM THE FIVE IF YOU LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING CITIES, IT'S THERE'S A FIVE AND A SIX. I MEAN, IT'S YOU KNOW, THERE'S PLENTY OF FIVES AND SIX MIX IN THERE THAT I'M NOT IT'S NOT PUTTING US I DON'T THINK IT'S ENOUGH. THAT IS PUTTING US OUT OF ANYBODY'S MARKET. I MEAN, COMPARATIVELY, TO THE AREA, UH AND AGAIN, NOT COUNTING DALLAS FORT WORTH ARLINGTON. THAT IS THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ANIMALS 
          [03:30:04]
THAN THE REST OF US. UM, SO, UME CENTERED AROUND. UM MAINTAINING OPTION B WITH THE 5000. I MEAN, IT'S A YEAH. I DON'T. I DON'T SEE ANY ANY ANY CHANGE COMING FROM THAT AT THIS POINT. SO THAT AS WELL, WE WILL PROCEED. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, COUNCIL. WE'VE GOT ONE MORE COMMITTEE REPORT HERE. 
          UM. I SAY WE PLOW AHEAD. UH, I I'VE BEEN TRICKED BY THAT BEFORE . I HAVE FIVE HAVE FALLEN. I HAVE FALLEN FOR THAT TRICK BEFORE. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS. THE CITY ATTORNEY TOLD YOU. IT WAS 
          [4.g. Intragovernmental Affairs Committee Update]
GOING TO BE ASSURED. AH SO WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH ADAM FOUR G INTRA GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS COMMITTEE UPDATE. CASTOR WILLIAMS, RIGHT, AIDAN MAN COUNCIL, THE REPORT IS IN IS ATTACHED AS IN OUR PACKET. UM OUR COMMITTEE HAS MET AND I COMMITTEE CEMENT WITH CONSULTANT AND WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET IS REFLECTIVE OF OUR DISCUSSIONS. AND MR CITY ATTORNEY IS GOING TO GIVE US A, UM HEY. HI. 10,000 SQUARE FEET. NO, LET'S GO TO 32,000 VIEW OF THE DRAFT, AND WE'D LIKE TO HAVE YOUR FEEDBACK. UM. ALMOST AS AND THEN THE NEXT STEP IS THEN WANTS US TO PROVE ABOUT COUNCIL. IT WILL BE DONE IN THE FORMAL RESOLUTION. MR CITY ATTORNEY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS. WHAT Y'ALL HAVE BEFORE YOU THAT I PLACED IN HARD COPY IS A DRAFT FIRST DRAFT THAT CAME OUT OF COMMITTEE FOR THE 2023 STATE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA. IT'S ALSO WAS IN YOUR AGENDA PACKETS. TALKING ABOUT THE, UM. GARLAND'S HIGHEST PRIORITY. THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS TO CONTINUE TO PROTECT LOCAL GOVERNANCE. AND UM , DECISION MAKING AND PROPOSED LEGISLATION THAT WILL NOT ONLY JUST A ROAD, Y'ALL'S AUTHORITY, BUT ALSO, UM, UM, CONTINUE TO PLACE UNFUNDED MANDATES ON THE CITY, WHICH, OF COURSE, UM FURTHER IMPACTS ARE OUR FINANCIAL STRENGTH. AND THEN THERE'S SEVERAL, UM, UM, BROAD CATEGORIES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR AND TRACKING AS THE SESSION GOES ON AND KEEP IN MIND ALSO IN REGARD, LET ME BACK UP JUST FOR A STEP OR TWO THAT THIS LEGISLATIVE AGENDA IS A LIVING DOCUMENT THAT THAT CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE SESSION AND SO AS BILLS GET FILED THAT SURPRISE US, WHICH OCCASIONALLY HAPPENS. IN FACT, IT'S NOT A RARE OCCURRENCE THAT THAT HAPPENS. OBVIOUSLY WE'LL COME BACK AND REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL AND TALK ABOUT THOSE BILLS. BUT THESE ARE THIS IS INTENDED TO GIVE ME GUIDANCE AND THAI GARDENS AS WE ARE DEALING WITH DAY TO DAY DOWN IN THE LEGISLATIVE, UM, CORRIDORS OF THE CAPITOL, UM AS BILLS POP UP, SO I DON'T HAVE TO CONSTANTLY COME BACK OVER AND OVER AGAIN, TOO. TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT SPECIFIC BILLS. I'M TESTIFYING ON BEHALF OF OR TESTIFYING AGAINST. AND SO THIS GIVES ME GUIDANCE ON THAT. AND IF THERE'S EVER A QUESTION, OF COURSE I'LL BE. I WILL COME TO THE COUNCIL AND GET GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AND HOW YOU ARE WHAT POSITION YOU WANT TO TAKE ON CERTAIN BILLS. BUT IF YOU GO TO THE FISCAL AND FINANCIAL STRENGTH SECTION OF THE DOCUMENT, YOU'LL SEE THAT YOU'LL SEE SOME VERY SIMILAR CATEGORIES HERE THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE PAST THREE SESSIONS. THE FIRST TWO ARE KIND OF COMPANIONS, AND THAT'S BASICALLY OPPOSING LEGISLATION. THAT IMPACTS UM FURTHER IMPACTS REVENUE CAPS SPECIFICALLY, THAT WOULD IMPACT THE CITY'S USE OF SHORT TERM DEBT. AND THEN SUPPORT LEGISLATION THAT ALLOWS US TO USE SHORT TERM DEBT FOR CREATIVE AND CREATIVE WAYS OF RUNNING OR A DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS. AND SO THERE'S A KIND OF COMPANION UM, BULLET POINTS IN THE THIRD. ONE IS TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW THE STATE TO USE TOOLS IN CHAPTER 3 80 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE AND CHAPELS CHAPTER 3 13 FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES. AND OCCASIONALLY YOU'LL SEE THE STATE GOING INTO THOSE CHAPTERS AND REMOVING TOOLS BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT CITY IS TOO OFTEN GIVE AWAY THE FARM TO WHEN NEGOTIATING WITH OUTSIDE COMPANIES TO COME INTO THEIR TERRITORIES BECAUSE CITIES ARE COMPETING WITH ONE ANOTHER. AND THEN, UM, ALSO THAT FOURTH ONE. YOU MAY RECOGNIZE THAT ISSUE AND THAT'S SUPPOSING LEGISLATION LIMITING THE CITY'S ABILITY TO CONTROL AND MANAGE ITS TAXPAYERS 
          [03:35:02]
INVESTED RIGHT AWAYS RECALL. WE ARE CURRENTLY IN LEGISLATION WITH NETFLIX, WHO LOU AND SEVERAL OTHER COMPANIES WHO BELIEVE IT'S THEIR RIGHT TO USE OUR RIGHT AWAY WITHOUT PAYING US FOR THAT WITHOUT PAYING FOR THE USE OF THE RIGHT OF WAYS, AND SO THERE IS LITIGATION GOING ON THAT WE'RE INVOLVED WITH, BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THAT IF LEGISLATION FOR BILL GETS PASSED, AND I SUSPECT ONE WILL, UM, THAT WILL OPPOSE THAT LEGISLATION. AND THEN, UM, THE SECOND TO THE LAST BULLET POINT UNDER THIS SECTION IS SUPPORT LEGISLATION THAT MAKES CONFIDENTIAL UM UM, UNDER THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT CERTAIN INFORMATION RELATED TO CYBERSECURITY TECHNOLOGY. AND THIS IS PROBABLY ALREADY UM UM COVERED, AND WE WOULD CERTAINLY ARGUE THAT IT IS IF EVER ASKED ABOUT WHAT OUR CYBERSECURITY LOOKS LIKE, OR DETAILS OF HER CYBERSECURITY ALREADY COVERED UNDER THE ACT. BUT UM, UM, WE'VE HEARD THAT THERE WILL BE A BILL BEING PRESENTED. UM UM, THAT WILL EXPRESSLY STATE THAT IT'S EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER THE ACT. AND THEN, UM, ALSO THE SUPPORT THE ABILITY OF THE CITY TO LOBBY OR HIGH REPRESENTATIVES WITH PUBLIC FUNDS TO LOBBY ON THE ISSUES THAT WOULD IMPACT OUR CITY OR ITS RESIDENTS. AND SO THIS IS THE, UM AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE LAST THREE OR FOUR SESSIONS BILLS HAVE BEEN FILED THAT HAVE SAID BASICALLY THAT NOT ONLY WOULD IT BE UNLAWFUL FOR US TO HIRE A PERSON THAT'S DOWN IN AUSTIN FULL TIME THAT HAS CONNECTIONS THAT CAN ARGUE ON OUR BEHALF AND ON OUR CITIZENS WE HAVE FOR BILLS. THAT WOULD BENEFIT THEM, BENEFIT THE CITY AND BENEFIT THEM AS PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE CITY, BUT ALSO IN SOME OF THE BILLS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED FILED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS OR LAST TWO SESSIONS. IT WOULD ACTUALLY PREVENT ME YOU COULD READ IT IN A WAY TO PREVENT ME FROM GOING DOWN THERE AND ARGUING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OR THE CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE, UM, SOME OF THE BILLS HAVEN'T DRAWN A CLEAR DISTINCTION BETWEEN AN OUTSIDE LOBBYISTS AND JUST SOMEONE'S LOBBYING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. 
          THAT'S AN EMPLOYEE FOR THE CITY. UM OF COURSE, THAT WOULD GREATLY REDUCE OUR CAPACITY AND OUR ABILITY TO GO DOWN THERE AND FIGHT FOR OUR CITIZENS AND WOULD PUT A MUCH BROADER BURDENED MUCH GREATER BURDEN ON YOU GUYS AS ELECTED OFFICIAL TO GO THAT DOWN THERE ON A WEEKLY BASIS IN SOME CASES TO FIGHT THIS LEGISLATION. AND TO DEVELOP RELATIONSHIPS WHILE YOU'RE DOWN THERE AS WELL. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND BROAD CATEGORIES THAT HAVE DEVELOPMENT AND WE'RE GOING TO SUPPORT LEGISLATION THAT SEEKS TO MAKE BENEFICIAL AMENDMENTS TO THE BUILDING MATERIALS BILL. AND WE KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE FILED. THERE WILL BE LEGISLATION FILED FOR AND AGAINST THIS. WE SUSPECT THAT SOME OF THE BUILDING ASSOCIATIONS BUILDER ASSOCIATIONS WITH OUR MORE LEGISLATION THAT BENEFITS THEM, AND WE DO KNOW THAT MANY CITIES ARE ON BOARD ON BOARD WITH TRYING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BUILDING MATERIALS BILL THAT WAS PASSED TWO SESSIONS AGO. AND UM , MAKE AMENDMENTS TO THAT, AND ALSO THE SECOND ONE IS TO SUPPORT LEGISLATION THAT MAKES AMENDMENTS TO THE 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK THAT BENEFITS THE CITY. AND OF COURSE, THIS IS, UM, HASN'T BEEN AS EFFECTIVE. IN FACT, IF YOU TALK TO DEVELOPERS IN THE METROPLEX AND AROUND THE STATE, THEIR MESSAGE HAS BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT SINCE THAT BILL WAS PASSED IS THAT IT'S ACTUALLY IN MANY WAYS COST THEM MONEY BECAUSE CITIES AND TRY BECAUSE CITIES HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES, LIMITED PERSONNEL, AND SO WE'VE GOTTEN CREATIVE AND HOW WE WORK AROUND THE LAW AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO FULFILL OUR OUR DEPARTMENT'S PURPOSE AND ITS FUNCTION AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE QUALITY AND SAFE DEVELOPMENT. AND UM, UM AND SO WE'RE GOING TO SUPPORT ANY LEGISLATION THAT, UM, THAT ALLOWS US TO MAKE BENEFICIAL AMENDMENTS TO THE 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK BILL. AND ALSO ANY AS ABROAD. UM AS A AS A BROUGHT OUT HIM SUPPORT LEGISLATION THAT SEEKS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS THAT WOULD BENEFIT GARLAND. AND SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MIGHT BE YET, BUT ONCE THEY ONCE YOU SEE THE SOME OF THE FUNDING BILLS COME UP FOR TECH STOCK, WE MIGHT HAVE AN IDEA UNTIL WELL SUPPORTING LEGISLATION WITH THAT. AND THEN THE FINAL BROAD CATEGORY IS THE GARLAND SPECIFIC LEGISLATION. AND THIS IS THE STUFF THAT Y'ALL THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, AND THE FIRST IS A BILL THAT WILL GIVE US THE OPTION TO CREATE AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ZONE AND WE'RE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ZONES AND, UH AND THAT WILL ALLOW US TO Y'ALL AS THE COUNCIL TO BUY VOTE TO CALL AN ELECTION WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING PETITIONS IN GARLANDS CASE I THINK IT'S 14,000 TO 15,000 PETITIONS IN THE 60 DAY WINDOW. THAT'S REALLY BEEN THE LIMITING FACTOR FOR GARLAND, BUT ALSO MORE IMPORTANTLY, INSTEAD OF OPENING THE ENTIRE CITY UP TO, UM TO BECOMING WET, YOU'LL GET YOU'LL GET TO PICK AND CHOOSE. WHAT ZONES ARE APPROPRIATE IN WHICH WE CAN SELL IN WHICH I AGREE. TAYLOR CAN 
          [03:40:01]
SELL LIQUOR. AND THAT'S A BIG BENEFIT AND THE CITY OF PORTLAND DONE BY THE GULF, AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ORIGINALLY DID THIS A COUPLE OF LAST SESSION AND THEY CREATED WHAT THEY CALL BRACKETT LEGISLATION LEGISLATION THAT ONLY APPLIES TO THEIR SPECIFIC POPULATION IN THEIR COUNTY. HAVE A CERTAIN POPULATION NEXT TO THE GULF OF MEXICO. AND OF COURSE, GARLAND. 
          WE HAVE BRACKET LEGISLATION THAT BENEFITS US, AND WE'LL USE THAT BRACKET LEGISLATION THAT WE'VE USED IN OTHER BILLS FOR THIS ONE. AND SO THAT'S THE IDEA WITH THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE BEVERAGES ON IF YOU RECALL ONCE THAT GETS PASSED, IF THAT GETS PASSED IN IN MAY, WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE IN SEPTEMBER. AT THAT POINT OF THE CITY COUNCIL IF YOU'RE ELECTED TO ESTABLISH AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ZONE. THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE YOU ALL TO DO THAT. BUT IF YOU ALL THOUGHT THAT WAS IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY AT THAT POINT, WE CAN START WORKING ON OUR JDC START WORKING ON OUR ZONING. AND, UM, UM, COME UP WITH A PLAN ON WHERE A ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ZONE MIGHT BE BEST LOCATED. AND THEN YOU WOULD TAKE THAT TO THE VOTERS AND THE VOTERS WOULD GET TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY AGREE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT. AND THEN ALSO, THE SECOND BULLET POINT IS A BILL THAT WILL GIVE THE CITY THE FLEXIBILITY USE CHANGE ORDERS TO INCREASE THE VALUE OF AN ORIGINAL CONTRACT MORE THAN 25% SO LONG AS THE TOTAL CONTRACT PRESS DOESN'T EXCEED 50,000. AND WHAT THAT BILL DOES IS BASICALLY RIGHT NOW , EVEN FOR CONTRACTS YOU HAVE NEVER EVEN SEEN FOR MAYBE $1500 . IF WE HAVE A CHANGE ORDER FOR $500 AS AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE, THE STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT CHANGE ORDER. TO COME TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL, EVEN THOUGH YOU'LL NEVER APPROVED THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT, SO THIS TRIES TO ADDRESS THAT TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT IN OUR PROCUREMENT PROCESS. AND SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT BILL. 
          AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS SUPPORT BILLS THAT MAYBE FUTURE FORMS OF HB 18 18, AND THIS HAS TO DO WITH RETAIL PET STORES AND , UM, HOW THEY'RE PROCURING THEIR ANIMALS AND SELLING OF DOGS. I GUESS CATS ALSO WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT, UM UM, AND THEN ALSO THE FOURTH BULLET POINT AND THE GARLAND SPECIFIC LEGISLATION SUPPORT BILLS THAT ALLOW CITIES THE OPTION OF USING THE CITY WEBSITE TO PUBLISH LEGAL NOTICES, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE PEOPLE DO NOT READ NEWSPAPERS ANYMORE, AND THEY ESPECIALLY DO NOT READ THE LEGAL NOTICES SECTIONS. I MEAN, AS IF THEY EVER DID THEY EVER DID. SO THIS ONLY MAKES SENSE AND WE SPEND A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY. EAT YOUR IN PUBLISHING LEGAL NOTICES . SO IF WE COULD BUILD IF WE COULD USE THE CITY WEBSITE TO PUBLISH THOSE NOTICES IT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE FINANCIALLY. IT ACTUALLY MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE AND WHO WHO'S ACTUALLY READING THEM AND PUTTING THE PUBLIC ON NOTICE OF WHATEVER LEGAL PROCEEDINGS WE MAY BE HAVING THAT ALSO SUPPORT BILLS THAT ALLOW CITIES SUBMIT ELECTRONIC REQUEST FOR AN AG LETTER. CURRENTLY MY OFFICE ACTUALLY SENDS OFF STAMPS AND ENVELOPES. AND FOR EVERY LETTER WE WRITE OFF TO THE A G FOR AN OPINION ON AND WE DID 1100 LAST YEAR, AND SO WE ALL THAT TAKES. YOU KNOW WE'RE DOING A LOT OF WE'RE DOING A LOT OF ENVELOPES. WE'RE DOING A LOT OF STAMPS AND WE'RE DOING A LOT OF, UM, ADDRESSES. AND SO THAT JUST TAKES TIME IT TAKES. UM UM IT'S RESOURCE INTENSIVE, AND THIS, OF COURSE, MAKES MORE SENSE TO JUST BE ABLE TO DO IT THROUGH EMAIL AND AGAIN. UM THE ONLY REASON THAT'S NOT HAPPENING NOW BECAUSE OF ANYTHING IN LAW THAT ALLOWS US TO DO THAT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? AND ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE NOT COUNSEL. IF YOU WILL MEDITATE OVER THIS DOCUMENT, YOU'VE GOT ANY THOUGHTS OF COMETS IF YOU SHOOT THEM TO ME OR TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THEN IT WILL MOVE FORWARD TO REFLECTIVE OF THOSE, AND WE'LL BRING THIS BACK. ALL RIGHT, MR MAYOR. VERY GOOD. I SEE NO ONE IN THE QUEUE. THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. THAT MOVED. THAT WAS OUR LAST VERBAL BRIEFING, AND I HAVE TO SAY THIS HAS BEEN, UH YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD DISCUSSIONS LIKE THIS IN A WHILE. WE WE'VE COVERED A LOT OF TOPICS TONIGHT. 
          I MEAN, JUST REALLY A BROAD STROKE OF WHAT WE DO IN THE CITY GOVERNMENT, SO THANK YOU TO ALL 
          [5. Discuss Appointments to Boards and Commissions]
THE COMMITTEES FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THIS STUFF. THAT WILL MOVE US ON TO ITEM FIVE, DISCUSS APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS PRO TIM MORRIS HAS ONE APPOINTMENT FOR TOMORROW 
          [6. Announce Future Agenda Items]
NIGHT. NEXT IS ITEM SIX ANNOUNCED FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS NOW THAT ALL THE COMMITTEES HAVE CLEARED THEIR AGENDAS. ARE YOU READY TO FILL THEM BACK UP? NO. CASA RIVERA. I WANT TO BRING ONE OKAY, UH, I WANNA CHECK THE. BRING IT TO THE SAFETY COMMITTEE. ABOUT THE PARKING ON SIGNS THAT WE HAVE HE SAYS NO PARKING. AND FIRE LANES THAT SAYS NO PARKING. I WANNA BRING IT TO COMMITTEE TO SEE WE CAN REVISE IT OR A MANDATE OR SOMETHING. ALRIGHT AND IF YOU 
          [03:45:03]
MAYOR PRO TEM SMITH WILL BE A SECOND ON THAT OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER. AGENDA ITEMS. FUTURE. NO. ALL RIGHT. THAT WILL BRING US TO HOME SEVEN. COUNCIL ADJOURNED. 
          COUNCIL WILL MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. THE CITY COUNCIL WILL ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION 
          [7. Council will move into Executive Session]
PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 551.8755. POINT 074 AND 551.71 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DELIBERATE OR DISCUSS. EXCUSE ME ONE. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MATTERS RELATED TO COMMERCIAL OR FINANCIAL INFORMATION THAT THE CITY HAS RECEIVED FROM ONE OR MORE BUSINESS PROSPECTS THAT THE CITY SEEKS TO HAVE LOCATE, STAY OR EXPAND IN OR NEAR THE TERRITORY OF THE CITY, WHICH WITH THIS WITH WITH WHICH THE CITY IS CONDUCTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS RELATING TO ONE A FINANCIAL OR OTHER INCENTIVE TO A BUSINESS PROSPECT INTERESTED IN LOCATING IN THE VICINITY OF LBJ FREEWAY IN SOUTH GARLAND AVENUE IN ATTORNEY CLIENT MATTERS CONCERNING PRIVILEGED AND UNPRIVILEGED CLIENT INFORMATION RELATED THE SAME ONE BE A FINANCIAL OR OTHER INCENTIVE TO A BUSINESS PROSPECT INTERESTED IN LOCATING IN THE VICINITY OF STATE OF INTERSTATE HIGHWAY, 30 AND ROSE HILL ROAD AND ATTORNEY CLIENT MATTERS CONCERNING PRIVILEGED AND THEN PRIVILEGED CLIENT INFORMATION RELATED TO SAME ONE C, FINANCIAL OR OTHER INCENTIVE TO A BUSINESS PROSPECT, INTERESTED OR LOCATING. IN THE VICINITY OF DOWNTOWN GARLAND IN ATTORNEY CLIENT MATTERS CONCERNING PRIVILEGED AND UNPRIVILEGED CLIENT INFORMATION RELATED TO SAME AND ITEM TO PERSONNEL MATTERS RELATED TO THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT EVALUATION REASSIGNMENT DUTIES OF PUBLIC EMPLOYEES. YOU ME? WOW BREATHTAKING. THAT IS. THAT IS A LOT OF WORDS. SO AT THIS POINT, WE WILL RECESS THIS WORK SESSION . WE WILL RECONVENE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AT NINE AND EXCUSE ME AT 10 10, PLEASE. 10 10.
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