* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Plan Commission Pre Meeting] [00:00:07] GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO THE JANUARY 23RD MEETING OF THE GUIDE ALARM PLAN COMMISSION. THIS IS OUR WORK SESSION PORTION OF THE MEETING WHERE STAFF BRIEF US ON ALL THE CASES, AND THEN WE ASK QUESTIONS BACK AND FORTH. AND AFTER THAT, WE WILL RECESS AND COME BACK FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING AT SEVEN O'CLOCK. ALL RIGHTY. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONSENT AGENDA? I SEE NONE. ALL RIGHT. SO THE, UH, ZONING PROPOSAL TODAY IS, UH, C 2275. UH, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR AN ICE KIOSK. IT IS LOCATED AT 1 31, UH, WEST KINGSLEY ROAD. THE APPLICANT IS FRONTIER STATE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. AND, UH, THE SITE IS, UH, THE LEASE AREA IS, UH, 0.0262 ACRES, AND IT IS ZONED COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT. THIS IS WHERE THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY. THIS IS A MORE DETAILED LOCATION MAP. UM, IT IS SURROUNDED BY COMMUNITY RETAIL ON ALL SIDES, AS IT IS AT A MAJOR INTERSECTION, UH, SHOPPING CENTER. UM, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, RETAIL ZONING, YOU CAN FIND, UH, RETAIL STORES, UH, RESTAURANTS, UH, OFFICE BUILDINGS, AND, UH, OTHER VARIOUS, UH, LAND USES ALLOWED WITHIN COMMUNITY RETAIL. THIS IS, UM, WHERE IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UH, THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATES THIS AS COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE ENVISION GARLAND PLAN RECOMMENDS COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS FOR THE SITE. UH, THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER AND SCALE OF THESE AREAS ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS. UM, THIS SITE OR THE COMMUNITY RETAIL IS SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY, UH, ZONING. THE PROPOSED USE, THOUGH, IS, UH, GENERALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. THESE ARE THE PHOTOS OF THE SITE. UM, IN EVERY PHOTO YOU CAN SEE, UH, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON ALL SIDES. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. UM, THERE IS, UH, ADEQUATE PARKING ACCORDING TO A, UH, PARKING ANALYSIS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT FOR THE WHOLE SITE. THESE ARE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS. UH, IT COMPLIES WITH THE G'S, UH, BUILDING DESIGN CODE. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT A 270 SQUARE FOOT ICE KIOSK, WHICH IS CLASSIFIED AS A SELF-SERVICE, UH, RETAIL KIOSK IN THE G D C. THE J D C DEFINES A SELF-SERVICE RETAIL KIOSK AS A SELF-SERVICE KIOSK OPERATED BY A BUSINESS ENTITY FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF HIS CUSTOMERS TO PURCHASE AND OBTAIN A COMMODITY THAT IS EITHER PRE-PACKAGED OR DISPENSE IN BULK TO THE CUSTOMER. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A 25 YEAR SPECIFIC USE PROVISION. THE SEP TIME PERIOD GUIDE RECOMMENDS A RANGE OF 10 TO 15 YEARS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR AN ICE KIOSK, AND, UH, APPROVAL OF A PLAN ON A PROPERTY ZONE COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT. UM, WE SENT OUT 16 LETTERS AND, UH, ZERO RESPONSES WERE RECEIVED. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER ABIN? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY OTHER ICE KIOSKS OR ICE AND WATER KIOSKS ARE IN THE AREA? I KNOW THERE'S ONE ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER, UH, NEXT TO THE CVS, AND I KNOW THERE'S ONE ABOUT MILE NORTH AT MILLER AND FIRST, AND I THINK THERE'S ONE. IT'S NOT MILLER AND GLENBROOK, BUT IT'S JUST EAST OF GLENBROOK THERE. AS FOR, UH, SOUTH CENTRAL GARLAND, I'M NOT AWARE, BUT, UM, YOU ARE CORRECT. THERE IS A, I BELIEVE, A WATER MILL, UM, ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF, OF THIS, UH, SIDE OF THE SHOPPING CENTER. OKAY. DO WE KNOW OF ANY OTHER, OR DO YOU, IF YOU DON'T, THAT'S FINE. I JUST, I'M NOT AWARE OF, UH, ANY OTHERS IN THE GENERAL VICINITY. OKAY. I KNOW THERE'S ONE AT ED MILLER, AND, AND, AND MY CONCERN IS JUST THAT, I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND THESE ARE CONVENIENCE FOR FOLKS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED ONE ON EVERY CORNER OF EVERY INTERSECTION. MM-HMM. . UM, AND [00:05:01] WHEN WE APPROVED, I WAS ON THE CITY COUNCIL AND APPROVED THE, TH THIS IS ACTUALLY THE EXACT SITE OF THE FORMER WATER MILL EXPRESS, I BELIEVE. IS THAT, UM, TO, I BELIEVE IT DID, UH, MOVE, YES. OR IT, IT WAS, IT, THIS IS THE FORMER SITE OF A WATER MILL, I BELIEVE. YEAH. THERE WAS A, UM, MY RECOLLECTION WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL WATER MILL CAME AND SAID THAT THEY WANTED TO, THEY HAD A WATER KIOSK THERE AND WANTED TO BUILD A WATER AND ICE KIOSK ON THE EAST, ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER. AND ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT THE COUNCIL CREATED, YOU KNOW, SET FOR APPROVAL OF THAT WAS SAYING THAT THEY HAD TO REMOVE THE, THE ONE THAT WAS ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER. SO KIND OF A, SO THAT'S MY CONCERN IS THAT, IS THAT COUNCILS KIND OF ALREADY SET A KIND OF A STANDARD OF HOW MANY OF THESE ARE WE GONNA HAVE? AND SAID, WE DON'T, DON'T NEED ONE ON THE NORTHWEST AND ON THE NORTHEAST. AND I THINK THERE WAS, IT ACTUALLY TOOK A LITTLE BIT TO GET, GET THEM TO ACTUALLY REMOVE THE ONE ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER, WHICH WAS NOT THAT LONG AGO. SO. WELL, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER, THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. I THINK THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. YEAH. THIS NEXT ITEM IS A, UH, PROPOSED G D AMENDMENT THAT, UH, CAME OUT, UH, AT THE CITY COUNCIL LEVEL THAT WAS SENT TO COMMITTEE, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE, UM, WHO, UM, OF COURSE, YOU'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF AMENDMENTS COME THROUGH, UH, FROM THAT PARTICULAR COMMITTEE THAT LOOKS AT, UM, VARIOUS ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT AND LAND USE RELATED, UH, REGULATIONS. SO THIS ONE IS REGARDING, UH, THE, SPECIFICALLY THE DEFINITIONS OF PET STORE AND THE G UM, THE COUNCIL INITIATED THIS CHANGE SENATE TO COMMITTEE REGARDING, UM, ESSENTIALLY PROHIBITING, UM, PET STORES THAT SELL DOGS AND CATS FOR RETAIL PURPOSES. SO THE, UH, ESSENTIALLY THE LAND USE PET STORE WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED IN ITS CURRENT ZONING DISTRICTS, BUT THE DEFINITION WOULD BE CHANGED TO ELIMINATE OR CLARIFY THAT, UM, THEY MAY NOT INCLUDE THE RETAIL SALES OF DOGS AND CATS SPECIFICALLY. UM, THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE REMOVED THAT REGARDING, UM, UH, BOARDING AND GROOMING SERVICES AND ACCESSORY USE, WE FIGURED WE COULDN'T REALLY THINK OF AN ANIMAL BESIDES A DOG OR A CAT THAT WOULD BE BOARDED AND GROOMED, THAT SORT OF THING. SO THAT WAS STRUCK AS WELL, CAUSE IT SEEMED TO INDICATE, YOU KNOW, UH, DOG RELATED, UM, UH, SERVICE. UH, SO THAT, THAT IS THE CHANGE THAT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE IS TO MEND THE DEFINITION OF, UH, PET STORE, UM, WITH THE, UM, INTENT, MY UNDERSTANDING BEING TO PREVENT, UM, YOU KNOW, PUPPY MILLS AND THE LIKE, AND INHUMANE BREEDING PRACTICES AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO, UM, SO THAT THE FULL COUNCIL WAS BRIEFED ON, UH, JANUARY 9TH, AND IT IS BEING SENT THROUGH THE FORMAL G D C UH, AMENDMENT PROCESS PER THE CITY COUNCIL'S DIRECTION. AND, UM, UH, TONIGHT IS OBVIOUSLY THE PLAN COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION, AND IT WILL GO FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FORMAL CONSIDERATION, UM, AS THE NEXT STEP. GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHTY. COMMISSIONER DALTON. THANK YOU. UH, ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW GROOMING TO BE DONE, OR IS THAT BEING REMOVED AS WELL? JUST GROOMING OF THE PETS. MM-HMM. , UM, I BELIEVE THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE DOC, UH, WAS THE MAILING WE RECEIVED, RIGHT? THE, THE PROPOSAL WAS, UM, TO ELIMINATE THAT, UM, JUST AS IT SEEMED TO INDICATE, UM, AN ASSOCIATION WITH DOGS AND CATS. NOW, CERTAINLY IF WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT, IT'S JUST SIMPLY THE SALE OF DOGS AND CATS, WE CAN CERTAINLY, UH, RE-LOOK AT THAT, BUT, UM, BUT YES, SIR. THE, THE, IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE, THE GROUP PET GROOMING SALON, RIGHT? EXACTLY. YES, SIR. RIGHT, RIGHT. THE CURRENT DEFINITION, UM, INCLUDES THAT AS AN ACCESSORY USE, UM, TO TWO PET STORES. UH, SO THE PRO THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE KIND OF ELIMINATES THAT AS, AS AN ACCESSORY USE JUST BECAUSE IT KIND OF INDICATED SALE OF DOGS AND CATS. UM, SO ARE WE JUST GOING TO DELETE THE SALE OF DOGS AND CATS AND CONTINUE TO ALLOW GROOMING, NOT UNDER THIS PARTICULAR DEFINITION, BUT THE GROOMING REALLY WASN'T THE ISSUE. WE CAN CERTAINLY RE-LOOK AT THAT IF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE THE SALE OF DOGS AND CATS WAS THE CORE OF THE ISSUE. UH, THE BREEDING, BREEDING PRACTICES AND THAT SORT OF THING, BECAUSE RESPONSIBLE PET OWNERS WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE THEIR ANIMAL GROOMED. SURE. AND IT'S IF YOU ELIMINATE THAT IN THE STORES, THAT CREATES AN ISSUE FOR THOSE PEOPLE, WHICH IS WHY I'M ASKING. SURE. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER OMAN AND COMMISSIONER ROSE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I, I CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER DALTON. I ANYTHING THAT WOULD ELIMINATE [00:10:01] ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE SALE? UH, I, I DON'T THINK IS A GOOD IDEA. I MEAN, WE HAVE PET GROOMING SALON SEPARATE FROM, SO THIS WOULD ONLY ELIMINATE AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO A PET STORE. UM, CORRECT. BUT IF THE COMMISSION ASKED TO LEAVE THAT IN, THAT THAT WOULD STAY, THE CURRENT LANGUAGES MAY INCLUDE PET GROOMING, SALON, INDOOR PET CARE, PLAY BOARDING, AND OR SMALL ANIMAL VETERINARY SERVICES AS, AS ACCESSORY USES. YES, SIR. BUT THOSE ARE, SO THE CURRENT LANGUAGE, I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT. YEAH. ACCESSORY USES YES, SIR. IS THAT, THOSE ARE OKAY AS ACCESSORY? THAT'S CORRECT. CURRENTLY, YES, SIR. BUT THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO ELIMINATE ALL OF THOSE ACCESSORY USE, UM, JUST THE PET GROOMING AND INDOOR PET CARE AND PLAY AND BOARDING, UM, THAT, THAT'S JUST, THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, UH, DOGS AND THE LIKE, WHICH I JUST, AS A PERSON WHO OWNS DOGS AND KNOWS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO OWN DOGS, I THINK IT'S A PRETTY TERRIBLE IDEA TO ELIMINATE THAT. I MEAN, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO TAKE THEIR DOGS TO INDOOR DAYCARE AND, AND OTHER STUFF, AND IT WOULD ONLY BE ELIMINATING, LET ME ASK YOU THIS, WE WOULD ONLY BE ELIMINATING THAT AS AN ACCESSORY USE, CUZ THERE IS, I PRESUME, AN ACTUAL USE CUZ THERE ARE PLACES THAT ARE JUST DOGGY DAYCARES OR JUST, WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING ALL THOSE, ARE WE? CORRECT. IT'S SPECIFICALLY ACCESSORY USES IN ASSOCIATION WITH PET STORE, BUT, UM, UH, AGAIN, WE CAN CERTAINLY RE-LOOK AT THAT PER THE COMMISSION'S DIRECTION. UM, THE, THE CORE, THE ISSUE DID HAVE TO DO WITH THE RETAIL SALE OF DOGS AND CATS. YEAH. AND THAT'S, I GUESS FINE, BUT THAT'S ONLY DOGS AND CATS. NOT THAT IS CORRECT ENOUGH. NOT BIRDS AND REPTILES AND FISH AND OTHER STUFF. JUST DOGS AND CATS. THAT IS CORRECT. AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU SEE THEIR SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU, THIS WAS THE, THERE WE GO. RED LINES, UM, WHERE IT CLARIFIES HOWEVER, RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT OFFERING DOGS AND OR CATS FOR SALE IS A PROHIBITED LAND USE. YEAH. TO ME, I JUST DON'T SEE ANY CONNECTION BETWEEN DOGS AND CATS FOR SALE AND GROOMING, INDOOR PLAGUE BOARDING, SO ON. SO SURE. I DEFINITELY OPPOSE THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROSE, NAN, COMMISSIONER JENKINS. SO IF AN INDIVIDUAL WANTS TO BUY A DOG OR A CAT, WHERE DO THEY GO? UH, THERE WOULD BE OTHER RESOURCES, A HUMANE SOCIETY, UM, SOME TYPE OF, UM, UH, GARLAND ANIMAL SHELTER THINGS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GO AT ANY PET STORE OR ARE THEY, UH, WHAT, WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO DO? WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S SO WRONG WITH SELLING DOGS OR CATS AT A STORE? WELL, IT, IT CERTAINLY CAME OUTTA THE COUNCIL LEVEL. I, I'M, I'M PROBABLY NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH THE SUBJECT MATTER. MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT HAS TO DO WITH THE BREEDING PRACTICES AND, AND, UM, THE, UM, KIND OF SOME INHUMANE CONCERNS. A NUMBER OF OTHER CITIES, INCLUDING THE CITY OF DALLAS, I BELIEVE AUSTIN, SAN ANTONIO, WACO, HAVE HAD SIMILAR PROHIBITIONS, UH, OR, OR ENACTED CERTAIN SIMILAR PROHIBITIONS TO THEIR ZONING CODE AS WELL. UM, SO, UM, IT, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE OF. UM, BUT IT REALLY JUST HAS TO DO WITH THE, THE KIND OF BREEDING PRACTICES AND HOW IT'S, IT'S DONE AS OPPOSED TO A ANIMAL RESCUE CENTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND COULD WE NOT THEN GET MORE SPECIFIC IN OUR RECOMMENDATION, EXCUSE ME, THE COUNCIL REGARDING THAT, THE BREEDING AND, AND, AND, AND, UH, SO FORTH MAY NOT, WE, WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS THROUGH OUR DISCUSSION AND, UH, YEAH. OKAY. GIVE OUR INPUT TO COUNCIL THAT WAY. YEAH. I GOT THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BE A CONTRIBUTOR TO PUPPY FARMS. RIGHT? RIGHT. YES, SIR. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER JENKINS AND COMMISSIONER PARIS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. UH, THERE'S A WEIRD INTERPLAY. SO I'M LOOKING AT THE DEFINITIONS BETWEEN, UH, PET CARE, INDOORS, PET CARE, PLAY, FACILITY, OUTDOORS, AND THEN PET STORE. AND ALL OF THOSE ARE DEFINED AS COMMERCIAL RETAIL STORES, SO THERE'S NO DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THEM. I'M HEARING THAT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE, UH, AS WE'RE LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT THAT LANGUAGE REGARDING THE REMOVAL OF PET GROOMING SALONS AND INDOOR PET CARE, UH, PLAY BOARDING, YADA YADA. HOW, HOW DOES A STORE GO ABOUT BEING IDENTIFIED AS ONE OR THE OTHER? YOU KNOW, HOW DO THEY AVOID GETTING, UH, GROUPED INTO A CATEGORY THAT THEY MAY NOT OTHERWISE BE IN? THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION, UM, IS YOUR QUESTION, IF, IF IT WERE A PET GROOMING SALON, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THAT WAS THE PRIMARY USE RATHER THAN ACCESSORY USE, CORRECT. YEAH. UH, IT, IT IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT CLOSELY. UM, THIS, THIS OFTENTIMES COMES UP WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE PRIMARY VERSUS ACCESSORY, UM, BILLING INSPECTION DEPARTMENT ESPECIALLY DEALS WITH THIS A LOT. SOMETIMES, OFTENTIMES THEY'LL ASK FOR FLOOR PLANS, UM, PERCENTAGE OF SALES, THINGS LIKE THAT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER INDICATION. [00:15:01] SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE, UM, QUANTIFI UM, QUANTITATIVE TO, UH, FOR STAFF AND THE, THE, WHETHER IT'S THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, CHIEF BILLING OFFICIAL TO, UH, DETERMINE, UH, WHAT'S PRIMARY VERSUS WHAT'S THE ACCESSORY USE. SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE HAVE TO REALLY DIG INTO THE DETAILS AND DISCUSS WITH A PARTICULAR APPLICANT. OKAY. AND I, I, I SEE HERE THAT WE'RE, AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE SALE OF THE PETS, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ADOPTION. SO IF, LET'S SAY THESE STORES MOVE TO A MODEL THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY TARGETING ADOPTION OF PETS, WE WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO THAT IDEA. THAT, THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. YES, SIR. OKAY. UM, HOW DOES THIS IMPACT THE CURRENT BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THE CITY OF GARLAND THAT DO SELL? MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, FROM MR. ENGLAND IS THAT THE, I BELIEVE THERE'S ONE, UM, EXISTING ONE, OR AT LEAST IT WAS FAIRLY NEW, THAT IT WOULD BE, UM, ESSENTIALLY, UM, LEGAL NONCONFORMING. IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE ABLE TO REMAIN LEGAL NONCONFORMING UNLESS IT CLOSES ITS STORES FOR MORE THAN SIX MONTHS. OR, UM, IF IT WERE TO EXPAND, UH, THAT MAY, UM, FALL INTO THE, THE ZONING ISSUE. UH, BUT, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY IS THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, ALLOWED TO CONTINUE PROVIDED, DOES NOT, UM, ABANDONED OR, OR CHOOSE TO EXPAND. OKAY. SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AN ACROSS THE BOARD, UH, HALT ON ALL SALES IN THE CITY OF GARLAND OF PETS. WE'RE TALKING, UH, SPECIFICALLY MOVING FORWARD, NOT, UH, HAVING THAT PARTICULAR INDUSTRY GROW IN LIGHT OF SOCIAL CONCERNS AS IT RELATES TO PUPPY MILLS AND SUCH, ET CETERA. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. THAT, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME OTHER COMMITTEE DISCUSSIONS, UH, NOT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICE COMMITTEE, BUT THERE'S OTHER COMMITTEE, UH, DISCUSSIONS REGARDING EXISTING PET STORES AND INSPECTIONS AND THE LIKE. UM, UH, THAT, THAT, UM, I BELIEVE ARE, ARE ALSO BEING DISCUSSED AS WELL. BUT YES, SIR, AS IT RELATES TO LAND USE, THAT THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. MM-HMM. , I AGREE WITH, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, UH, COMMENTS AS IT RELATES TO THE SPECIFICITY OF THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE. I BELIEVE WE COULD PROBABLY, UH, YOU KNOW, GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO MAKING SURE THAT SOME OF THOSE ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED OR CLARIFIED. UM, AND THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, HELPFUL TO, UH, DIGEST OVERALL THIS IDEA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER PARIS. I JUST HAD, I JUST HAD ONE MORE AREA OF OPPORTUNITY FOR CLARITY IN THE LANGUAGE, THE OFFERING OF SMALL ANIMALS. SO A PUPPY TO ME COULD BE A SMALL ANIMAL, SO MAYBE THERE IS SOME CLARITY, OR IN PARENTHESES, MUCH LIKE YOU HAVE, UH, NO LIVESTOCK REALLY CALLED OUT, BUT MAYBE ALSO WHAT ARE EXAMPLES OF SMALL ANIMALS? BECAUSE A KITTEN OR A PUPPY COULD BE MISCONSTRUED AS A SMALL ANIMAL. SO I JUST WANTED TO JUST FURTHER BE SURE. CLARITY AND LANGUAGE SO THAT THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDING, UM, WITH THE, WITH THE REVISION HERE OF THE CODE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED. THANK YOU. THANKS. ALL RIGHTY. WELL, THAT'S THE END OF OUR, UH, AGENDA HERE. NOW. I THINK WE GOT ABOUT TWO MINUTES BEFORE OUR REGULAR MEETING STARTS, . ALL RIGHTY. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, MS. ALL RIGHTY. SINCE OUR [Call to Order] ONE MEETING RAN OVER INTO THE OTHER, WELCOME TO THE JANUARY 23RD MEETING OF THE GARLAND PLAN COMMISSION. IS THIS OUR CUSTOM, WE COMMISSIONER, START OUR MEETING WITH A PRAYER AND A PLEDGE? YOU'RE INVITED TO JOIN US. WHETHER YOU DO OR NOT, NO WAY AFFECTS THE DECISIONS OF THIS COMMISSION OR YOUR RIGHTS IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION. NEVER HAS, NEVER WILL. TONIGHT'S PRAYER AND PLEDGE WILL BE LED BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. PLEASE BOW YOUR HEADS IF YOU'RE SO CHRIST. GOD, WE BEGIN BY PRAISING THE GLORY OF YOUR WORKS IN OUR CITY. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR OUR ENGAGED CITIZENS LIKE JENNIFER WYNN, WHO T THROUGH OUR PATIENCE AND WARMTH, SHARE WITH HER CITY, JOYOUS CELEBRATIONS OF A NEW YEAR WITH ENDLESS POSSIBILITIES. WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR MR. JUDSON REX AND PRAY THAT THE MANY YEARS OF HIS LEADERSHIP AND LIVEN AND UPLIFT THE CITY, AND THAT THROUGH HIS WORK, THE CITY CONTINUE AND ITS COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE. WE ARE GRATEFUL THAT YOU GUIDE OUR COUNCIL AND THEIR COMMITMENT TO THEIR DISTRICTS, AND KNOW THAT BECAUSE OF YOU, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. AND WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, OUR CITY STAFF, OUR TEACHERS, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY EACH OTHER. BUT GOD, OUR HEART IS HUMBLED BY THE TRA TRAGIC EVENTS AROUND OUR WORLD. WE WAIT IMPATIENCE AND FAITH AS YOUR WORKS UNFOLD IN THIS WORLD. OUR HEARTS ARE WITH THOSE IN CALIFORNIA AND UKRAINE, AND EVERYWHERE THERE IS SUFFERING, WE PRAY FOR THEIR SAFETY AND FOR PEACE. AND YOUR NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. NOW, PLEASE JOIN WITH US IN OUR RECITAL OF THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY, LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR ALL. WELL [00:20:01] AGAIN, GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO OUR MEETING, UH, SPEAKER TONIGHT. UH, WE HAVE SPEAKER CARDS YOU CAN FILL OUT, OR THERE'S A KIOSK OUT THERE, UH, YOU CAN FILL OUT IF YOU CARE TO SPEAK. WE ALLOW APPLICANTS 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE. OTHER SPEAKERS, WE ALLOW THREE MINUTES. IF YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR A GROUP, WE DEFINITELY ALLOW MORE TIME. AND THEN AFTER ALL THE PUBLIC INPUT, WE ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK UP AND RESPOND TO ANY OF THAT. ONE THING WE DO REQUEST IS IF YOU COME UP AND SPEAK, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE. WE NEED THAT FOR THE RECORDS. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL [CONSENT AGENDA] START OUR MEETING WITH OUR CONSENT AGENDA. CONSENT AGENDA ARE ITEMS THAT THE COMMISSION WILL BE VOTING TO APPROVE IT'S ITEMS THAT WE'VE REVIEWED. I WILL READ OUT THE ITEMS. ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WANTS AN ITEM REMOVED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, LET ME KNOW. SAME THING FOR COMMISSIONERS. ALL RIGHTY. CONSENT AGENDA ITEM ONE A, CONSIDER APPROVAL THE PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES FOR THE JANUARY 9TH, 2023 MEETING. ITEM TWO, A PLAT 23 DASH ZERO ONE NORTH GARLAND COMMONS. NUMBER TWO, FINAL PLAT, ITEM TWO B PLA 2223 DASH ZERO TWO DOMAIN AND FIRE WHEEL EDITION. FINAL PLAT. ANYBODY CARE FOR AN ITEM TO BE CONSIDERED INDIVIDUALLY? SEEING NONE? CHAIR ENTERTAIN MOTION. COMMISSIONER PARIS I TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS READ SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER PARIS. AND I BELIEVE I HEARD THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ROSE. OKAY. ALL RIGHTY. THAT IS TO APPROVE. PLEASE VOTE. GIVE IT A SECOND FOR IT'S LIGHT UP. FOLKS. JUST ONE SECOND PLEASE. SURE. TIME'S UP . AND JUST TO RECAP, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER PARIS AND THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ROSE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. IT'S INTERESTING HOW ELECTRONICS HAVE GIVEN US A WHOLE NEW CONCEPT OF TIME. IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN RIGHT AWAY, WE, WE WONDER WHAT'S GOING ON. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHTY. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL [Items 3A & 3B] RIGHT. NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS A ZONING CASE. THIS IS A TWO-PARTER, UH, PART ZONING, EXCUSE ME. ITEM THREE, A CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION OF FRONTIER STATE'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR A KIOSK, SELF-SERVICE, RETAIL ICE ON A PROPERTY ZONE COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED 1 31 WEST KINGSLEY ROAD. ITEM THREE B, CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION OF FRONTIER STATE'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A PLAN FOR A KIOSK, SELF-SERVICE, RETAIL ICE ON PROPERTY ZONE COMMUNITY RETAIL. SAME ADDRESS, 1 31 WEST KINGSLEY. ALL RIGHT. UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY APP, ANY SPEAKING CARDS IN THAT. IS THE APPLICANT HERE WISH TO SAY ANYTHING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. YEAH, MICROPHONE HERE. UH, MARK SELLERS, I'M WITH FRONTIER STATES. MY ADDRESS IS 45 13 NORTH SHORE DRIVE, THE COLONY, TEXAS. AND YOU GUYS BROUGHT UP THE QUESTION OF THE, THE OTHER ONES IN THE CITY. I'VE LOOKED UP, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE FOUR CURRENTLY IN THE CITY. UH, 3.4 MILES AWAY, 5.6 MILE. WELL GIVE YOU THE ADDRESS. 1919 NORTH PLANO. UM, THAT ONE IS 2.4 MILES FROM THE NEW LOCATION. THERE'S ONE AT 55 14 BROADWAY THAT'S AT BROADWAY IN DUCK CREEK. THAT'S 5.6 MILES. THERE'S ONE AT 1675 NORTH COUNTRY CLUB, THAT'S AT COUNTRY CLUB IN BOSCH. AND THAT'S 4.4 MILES. AND THEN THERE'S ONE AT BUCKINGHAM 1305 WEST BUCKINGHAM. AND I HAVE NOT FIGURED HOW FAR IT IS, BUT, UM, IN TERMS OF THE LEGAL, THE WAY THE, THE COMPANY THAT PUTS THESE OUT WILL ALLOW, THEY WILL NOT ALLOW, ALLOW ONE WITHIN CLOSER THAN ONE MILE TO ANOTHER ONE BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. SO IN EVERY CASE, THESE ARE OUTSIDE OF EVEN TWO MILES AT THE, AT THE MINIMUM, UH, CLOSE TO THIS ONE, THE NEW ONE, THE NEW PROPOSED ONE. DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? QUESTION? UH, YEAH, LET ME GO. THERE YOU GO. OH, THANK YOU. UM, THE, THERE, THERE LITERALLY IS ONE ACROSS [00:25:01] THE STREET. I MEAN, THERE, THERE IS ONE AT, AT FIRST IN KINGSLEY. NO, NO, THIS DOESN'T EXIST ANY LONGER. THE ONE THAT THEY TOOK OUT WE'RE TAKING ITS PLACE. RIGHT. YOU'RE TAKING ITS PLACE BECAUSE WE TOLD WATERMILL EXPRESS THAT THEY HAD TO REMOVE ONE IN ORDER TO PLACE ONE BEHIND THE CVS NEXT TO THE WELLS FARGO ATM. AND IT IS THERE. OKAY. EXCUSE ME ONE SECOND. ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT ONE? CORRECT. YES, SIR. OKAY. IT'S A DIFFERENT FRANCHISE. DIFFERENT, YES, YES. DIFFERENT. BUT IT IS ACROSS THE STREET IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IT IS, YES, IT IS. IT IS LITERALLY, LITERALLY ACROSS THE STREET. OKAY. SO, AND THEN THERE IS ALSO ONE AT MILLER. AND FIRST, AGAIN, AS FAR AS I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT FRANCHISE OR OR WHATNOT. CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. SO IN PRACTICE, THIS COMPANY THAT WE'RE INSTALLING OWNS 85% OF THE BUSINESS. AND WHEN ONE SITS LITERALLY 50 YARDS FROM IT IN THE SAME PARKING LOT, THIS PARTICULAR MACHINE GETS 85% OF THE BUSINESS THAT GOES TO THAT PARKING LOT. SO JUST OTHER QUESTIONS. SURE. COMMISSIONER DALTON, UH, COMMISSIONER ALBAN, I THINK THAT ONE WAS STRICTLY A WATER KIOSK. THAT WINDMILL, IT WAS NOT ICE, IT WAS JUST WATER. I BELIEVE THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS THE ORIGINAL. THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS JUST WATER. RIGHT. AND THEN THEY CAME BACK TO PUT IN A WATER AND ICE. I COULDN'T RECALL WHETHER IT WAS WATER AND ICE WHEN THEY MOVED IN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF FIRST. IT IS. AND IT, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY WANTED TO UPGRADE IT, IS THEY WANTED TO HAVE WATER AND ICE. AND SO THEY MOVED ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE. AND THAT'S WHEN WE SAID, WELL, YOU CAN'T HAVE, YOU CAN'T HAVE HAVE 'EM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE 'EM ON EVERY CORNER. YOU CAN'T HAVE 'EM RIGHT. RIGHT THERE. SO THAT ONE'S GONNA COME OUT. SO I THINK I, UH, MR. ENGLAND WOULD, WHO'S NOT HERE, WOULD PROBABLY REMEMBER CAUSE WE HAD THEM DRAFTED, SO THEY HAD TO, THEY HAD LIKE 11 MONTHS OR SOMETHING TO REMOVE THE OLD ONE. YEAH. WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION TOO ABOUT THAT, THAT PARTICULAR KIOSK SURE DID. THANK YOU. BUT CURRENTLY, THERE IS NOT A PROVISION TO SAY THAT THEY COULDN'T BE THAT CLOSE TOGETHER FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE. NOTHING IN THE ORDINANCE. NO. NOTHING IN, ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER JENKINS? HEY, COMMISSIONER. CHAIRMAN. GOOD EVENING, SIR. THANK YOU. THE REQUEST FOR 25. OH, OH, SIR, I'M SORRY. QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. I KNOW YOU'RE READY TO GO. NO, NO, NO, NO. YOU'RE OKAY. THE, THE REQUEST FOR 25 YEARS AS OPPOSED TO THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION OF 10 TO 15, IS THERE ANY SPECIFIC REASON THAT YOU WERE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT? WELL, COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, THE INVESTMENT FOR THIS ICE HOUSE IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN ANY OF THE OTHER ONES THAT GO IN. AND, UM, IN ORDER TO RECOUP, THEN WE'RE DOING A LAND LEASE OF AT LEAST 15 YEARS. INITIALLY, FOR THE ONES THAT ARE IN PLACE THAT ARE BUILT OF THE SAME KIND OF, UH, MATERIALS THAT WILL BUILD THIS ONE OUT OF WOULD LAST AS LONG AS A TYPICAL HOUSE WOULD. SO THEY'RE BUILT OF BRICK AND STONE AND THEY'RE, THEY'LL WEATHER, UM, HURRICANE WINDS TO 250 MILES AN HOUR. SO WE'RE PUTTING A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT INTO IT, AND WE EXPECT TO DO BUSINESS THAT LONG. THERE ARE MACHINES THAT HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 16 YEARS ALREADY FROM THE TIME THIS COMPANY STARTED THAT ARE STILL DOING BUSINESS TODAY. SO THE INVESTMENT IS WORTH IT, AND WE JUST DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AGAIN, IF, IN FACT, WE HOPE TO GO WAY WELL BEYOND 15 YEARS. GREAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? A AND THANK YOU PROCESS. THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO IS SPEAKING THIS CASE SAYING NONE? I'LL TURN IT BACK TO THE COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER ROBIN? YEAH. UM, I'D LIKE TO, WAS THERE SOMEBODY ELSE? DID YOU WANNA SPEAK? WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY. , GO. GO AHEAD, SIR. UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, AND TO DENY BOTH ITEMS THREE A AND THREE B. DO I HEAR A SECOND? MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND. COMMISSIONER ROSE, I MOVE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE A AND B. IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT? SECOND. OKAY. UH, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ROSE TO APPROVE ITEMS A AND B AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OT DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER ABIN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I HAD MOVED TO, UH, TO OPPOSE CAN I FEEL BOUND BY WHAT THE COUNCIL [00:30:01] FOUND IN, WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED IN, I BELIEVE IT'S 2017 OR 18. WE'VE APPROVED THE MOVE OF THE WATER MILL AND THE FACT THAT THE COUNCIL EXPRESSLY DIRECTED THAT THERE NOT BE A SECOND LOCATION, THERE NOT BE A LOCATION ON THIS NORTHWEST CORNER. UM, CERTAINLY THAT'S UP TO WHATEVER CURRENT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST OUR RECOMMENDATION, WHATEVER'S UP TO THE CURRENT COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN DECIDE, BUT I CERTAINLY FEEL BOUND BY THAT COUNCIL'S RULING REGARDING THIS SPECIFIC. IF IT HADN'T BEEN THIS SPECIFIC SITE, I MIGHT FEEL DIFFERENTLY, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS LITERALLY THIS SPECIFIC SITE ACROSS THE STREET FROM, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY WERE MOVING TO. SO THAT, THAT'S WHY I'LL, I PLAN TO VOTE NO ON THIS MOTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER PARIS, TWO QUESTIONS FOR POINTS OF CLARITY. ONE IS FROM A A G C PERSPECTIVE, AND, AND I'M LOOKING AT MR. WILLIAM, UH, WILL, HERE, ARE THERE GUARD RAILS THAT COMMUNICATE THAT THERE SHOULD NOT BE, I'M THINKING ABOUT LAND USE, THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE TWO OF THESE SAME BUSINESSES IN THE SAME VICINITY. SO G WISE LAND USE, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION. YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY. ON, UH, NO MA'AM. I, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. THE, THE, UM, CONDITION BEING DISCUSSED OR, OR REFERENCED THIS EVENING WAS WHEN THE PREVIOUS, WHEN THE, UH, THE CURRENT WATER MILL ICE KIOSK, ICE SLASH WATER KIOSK THAT'S AT THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF THIS INTERSECTION WAS APPROVED. UM, THERE WAS A CONDITION BY COUNSEL ADDED THAT THE, UM, UH, EXISTING OR PREVIOUS ONE, IF YOU WILL, ON WHERE THIS CURRENT, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY IS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT, THAT THAT STRUCTURE BE REMOVED, UH, WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. UH, BEYOND THAT, NO MA'AM. I'M NOT AWARE OF, OF ANY DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BETWEEN KIOSKS. THANK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER ROBIN, AND COMMISSIONER O I, I JUST WANTED TO, TO FOLLOW ONTO THE COMMISSIONER'S QUESTION. AND MY RESPONSE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM WILL THIS IS, THIS IS, DOES REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, AND THAT'S THE GUARDRAIL ON ALL OF THESE. IF THE OTHERWISE THE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE DRIVEN BY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WAY WE HAVE THE CODE, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME TO, IF THERE WAS NO RESTRICTION AT ALL, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL. SO WHEN THERE ARE USES THAT, UH, SPARK SOME LEVEL OF CONCERN, IN OTHER WORDS, THAT, UH, IT, AND THERE ARE ALL, I MEAN, WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT USES THAT REQUIRE SPECIAL USE PERMITS, DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS AND, AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS FOR. IT SAYS IT HAS TO COME TO THE GOVERNING BODIES TO GIVE A LOOK AT IT AS OPPOSED TO JUST A STRAIGHT APPROVAL. UH, MOST OF, MOST RETAIL, MOST USES THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY ARE GET A STRAIGHT APPROVAL. WE SEE VERY FEW OF THEM. AND I THINK THAT'S REASONABLY AGGREGATE. SO THAT'S THE GUARDRAIL, AND THAT'S WHY I SEE THAT, THAT'S WHY IT COMES TO US TO LOOK AT IT SO THAT YOU DON'T END UP WITH A DENSITY THAT IS TOO HIGH OF PARTICULAR USES, BUT WHAT THAT DENSITY IS, OR, AND HOW WE DECIDE THAT IS VERY MUCH DEPENDENT ON, YOU KNOW, THE BODY THAT'S GONNA LOOK AT IT. SO I SEE YOU CHIME BACK IN. DID YOU WANT TO KIND OF RESPOND BACK AND FORTH HERE? I'M GONNA LET YOU TWO TALK FIRST. YEAH. I, YOU, I UNDERSTAND WHY IT COMES TO US FOR REVIEW. IT WAS MORE NOT THE SPECIFIC USE IN THE, THE NUMBER OF, THE NUMBER OF YEARS BEING REQUESTED AS FAR AS A SPECIFIC USE. BUT WHAT I WANTED TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE THE, THE, THE, WHAT'S WHAT YOU'RE QUESTIONING IS THE NEED FOR A CONDITION THAT WAS PUT IN BEFORE BY COUNCIL VERSUS IS IT IN LINE WITH G D C LAND USE REQUIREMENTS. SO THAT'S THE DISTINCTIONS THAT I WAS TRYING TO BE SURE I WAS VERY CLEAR ON AT. THANKS. VERY GOOD. UH, COMMISSIONER. RIGHT. AND COMMISSIONER ROSE. OKAY. UM, I'M NOT AS WORRIED ABOUT THE COM, UH, THE COMPETITION BEING SO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER ON THIS PARTICULAR USE. UM, WE HAVE THINGS LIKE A LOWE'S AND A HOME DEPOT THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET FROM EACH OTHER. WE HAVE GROCERY STORES THAT ARE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY WITH EACH OTHER. AND SOMETIMES YOU'LL EVEN HAVE, LIKE ON PRESTON ROAD, THERE USED TO BE TWO STARBUCKS THAT WERE, UH, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM EACH OTHER SO THEY COULD OPTIMIZE USAGE FOR PEOPLE AND, AND THE MORNING RUSH HOUR AND THEN THE EVENING RUSH HOUR, PEOPLE GOING NORTH AND SOUTH. SO IF THEY'RE BUS, UH, IF IT'S, IT'S A ATTRACTIVE, UH, STRUCTURE THAT THEY'RE BUILDING. AND THEY'RE, OCCASIONALLY YOU'LL HAVE THINGS THAT ARE LIKE BANKS OR A GROCERY STORE THAT WHEN THEY LEAVE, THEY HAVE SPECIFIC DEED RESTRICTIONS. IT MAKES IT WHERE YOU CAN'T BUILD ANOTHER LIKE TYPE BUSINESS ON THERE. BUT [00:35:01] THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT ON THIS THAT, UH, OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T BE, THEY WOULDN'T BE BUILDING THIS. UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUALMS ABOUT IT. I JUST, UH, I THINK THAT PROBABLY THE, UH, I DON'T REMEMBER WHY IT WAS REQUIRED TO REMOVE THE OLD STRUCTURE OTHER THAN TO ELIMINATE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT BEING USED TO ACTUALLY GET IT PULLED OFF OF THERE AND MAKE SURE THAT IT WASN'T A DISTRACTION. AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD IMAGINE WOULD BE THE REASONING FOR REQUIRING THEM TO REMOVE THE OLD STRUCTURE. BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE AN OPERATING BUSINESS, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT AT ALL. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROSE, AND THEN COMMISSIONER JENKINS. WELL, I DUNNO WHAT TO SAY CUZ COMMISSIONER NOT TOOK ALL THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH. I AGREE WITH THEM 100%. ALL RIGHTY. COMMISSIONER JENKINS, I ALSO AGREE WITH, UH, THE COMMENTS THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, OUGHT PROVIDED. I, I WOULD, UM, ADD THAT, UH, I, UH, AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE DENSITY, BUT I, UH, DON'T, UH, SEE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A COMPETING GAS STATION OR A GROCERY STORE OR ANYTHING, UM, OF, OF THE SORT. UH, AND IF IT IS THAT THE, UH, HIGHER END OR HIGHER QUALITY, UH, INVESTMENT IS, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REMOVAL OF ONE LATER ON DOWN THE LINE THAT IS, UH, PERHAPS NOT AS HIGH END, THEN I WOULDN'T BE UPSET ABOUT THAT. UH, I I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE REQUEST, UH, AS IT RELATES TO THE S U P, UM, BECAUSE THE GUIDELINES HAVE BEEN PRODUCED FOR A VERY SPECIFIC REASON, AND THIS APPLICANT IS NOW REQUESTING, BASED UPON THIS INVESTMENT TO SKIRT THOSE GUIDELINES. IF THERE WERE CONCERN, UH, REGARDING THE USE, WE WOULD BE UNABLE THIS BODY AND THE CITY WOULD BE UN UNABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS UNTIL THE APPLICANT'S S U P EXPIRED, UH, IN 25 YEARS AS OPPOSED TO 15. SO I WILL BE AGAINST THIS, UH, BECAUSE, UH, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THE, THE LENGTH OF THE S U. THANK YOU. AND LIKE YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSE, COMMISSIONER JENKINS JUST STOLE MY THUNDER TOO. MY, MY CONCERN IS, AGAIN, THE LENGTH OF THE S U, UH, BEING, UH, 25 YEARS INSTEAD OF 10 TO 15. ALL RIGHTY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UH, COMMISSIONER ROSE AND THEN COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. UM, COULD WE CHANGE, DID I MAKE THE MOTION? YOU, YOU MADE THE MOTION. OKAY. AND THEN I WOULD I GUESS I'VE TAKEN A NAP BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. . I'M GETTING TOO OLD. ANYWAY, I WOULD SUGGEST PERHAPS THEN WE CHANGE THE MOTION TO GO TO 15 YEARS FOR THE U P. THE GENTLEMAN WISHES TO AMEND HIS MOTION TO 15 YEARS. DOES THE SECOND CONCUR? YES, I DO. AND THE SECOND CONCURS. ALL RIGHT, BEFORE WE GO ON TO VOTE, COMMISSIONER. OKAY. JUST LEFT. ALL RIGHT. I SEE NO MORE DISCUSSION. LET ME REPHRASE THE MOTION. THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE SPECIFIC USE PROVISION FOR A KIOSK AND THE PLAN FOR A KIOSK FOR A 15 YEAR TIME LIMIT. ALL RIGHT, THAT IS THE MOTION. PLEASE VOTE THAT PASSES, UH, SEVEN TO ONE. I DON'T HAVE A BREAKDOWN, BUT I'M ASSUMING COMMISSIONER ALBIN VOTED IN THE OPPOSITION. YES. ALL RIGHTY. THANK YOU. THE [4a. Consideration to amend in part Chapter 6, Section 6.03 “Definitions” of the Garland Development Code, regarding the definition of “Pet Store.” ] NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, MISCELLANEOUS ITEM IS CONSIDERATION TO AMEND IN PART CHAPTER SIX, SECTION 6 0 3 DEFINITIONS OF THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGARDING THE DEFINITION OF PET STORE. I DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM. JENNIFER REED. I, I FILLED OUT IT THE, THE WELL. OKAY. UH, IF YOU BOTH CAN COME DOWN AND TALK ONE, ONE AT A TIME. YEAH, GO AHEAD. LET'S SEE IF I, AH, LISA CRAWFORD, I FOUND YOU. I'M THE POSTER CHILD FOR, WHILE YOU WEAR A HELMET, WHEN YOU RIDE A BIKE. I, I, I COULD HAVE TOLD YOU THAT I'M A BIKE RIDER. YEAH. ALWAYS WEAR A HELMET. YES. UM, WE NEED TO HAVE REGULATIONS, UH, NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. OH, I'M, EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU. I'M JENNIFER REEDER. I LIVE AT 60 37 PERDIDO IN GARLAND, DISTRICT FOUR UNDERREPRESENTED TODAY. UM, AND I'M A BIT NERVOUS, SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME. DON'T, DON'T WORRY. WE'RE ALL FRIENDS HERE. I HAVE STRONGLY FEEL THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS REGARDING THE SALE OF CATS AND DOGS, PUPPIES AND KITTENS THAT ARE FURNISHED THROUGH BREEDERS [00:40:01] WHO ARE JUST PUPPY MILLS RUNNING, UH, SICK PETS AT EXORBITANT COSTS TO THE CITY OF GARLAND, DALLAS JUST RECENTLY ENACTED AN ORDINANCE, AND THEN WE HAD A STORE OPEN UP IN DISTRICT FOUR. UM, WE NEED, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SHAME THAT WE HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE HOW TO BEHAVE APPROPRIATELY AND HOW TO TREAT ANIMALS WELL. UH, WE HAVE 13 CITIES ALREADY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS WHO HAVE SUCH ORDINANCES ON THE BOOKS. EL PASO AUSTIN FOR ORTH, WACO, UH, THE COLONY, SAN, UH, SAN ANTONIO ULI COLLEGE STATION, SHERMAN HOUSTON, BRIAN DALLAS, AND PASADENA. NEW BRUNS AND SAN MARCOS ARE CONSIDERING ORDINANCES. UH, WE ALSO HAVE STATES WHO PROHIBIT THE SALE OF CATS AND DOGS FROM PUPPY MILLS IN A RETAIL SETTING. MARILYN, MAINE, CALIFORNIA, WASHINGTON, AND ILLINOIS. I, AS A CITIZEN OF GARLAND, I REALLY FEEL THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT PROHIBITS THE SALE OF CATS AND DOGS, PUPPIES AND KITTENS, NOT GERBILS, RATS AND SNAKES. UM, TO PROHIBIT HELP THESE MILLS UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS A TERRIBLE THING ON HUMANITY. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. ANY QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER JENKINS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. GOOD EVENING, MA'AM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR IMPASSIONED AND ENLIGHTENING SPEECH. CAN YOU DO US A FAVOR? YES. CAN YOU PLEASE DESCRIBE FOR US WHAT AN IN INHUMANE BREEDER IS? I THINK I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE PRESENT FOR OUR WORK SESSION MEETING, BUT WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. I WAS, YES. AN INHUMANE BREEDER IS SOMEONE WHO HAS FEMALE DOGS IN CAGES THAT ARE NOT LET OUT AT ALL IN A YARD. THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY HUMAN CONTACT. AND THEY ARE INTRODUCED TO MALE DOGS WHEN THEY'RE IN HEAT, IN THE SOLE PURPOSE OF HAVING PUPPIES. THEY'RE PUT BACK IN THE CAGE, THEY'RE MATTED, THEY HAVE NOT SEEN A VET, THEY'RE NOT VACCINATED. THEY HAVE, UM, ALREADY BIRTH DEFECTS THAT THEY'RE PASSING ONTO THESE PUPPIES. ALRIGHT, YOU GOT ME GOING. THAT STORE OVER THERE IS TRYING TO SELL PUPPIES FOR $3,000 SOLD IN PUPPY MILLS. AND THESE DOGS HAVE BIRTH DEFECTS. THEY HAVE DISPLAY DISPLACED, DISPLACED HIPS, WHICH IS A COMMON THING WHERE BY THE TIME TO GET LIKE SEVEN OR EIGHT, THEY CAN'T WALK. UH, WE HAD A DOG LIKE THAT. WE CARRIED HER THE LAST THREE YEARS OF HER LIFE. YOU JUST CAN'T DO THAT. YOU'VE GOTTA GO GET A JOB SOMEWHERE ELSE. BUT TO KEEP A DOG IN A CAGE, SPECIFICALLY TO MAKE MONEY, I MEAN, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CHILDREN TO PLAY WITH. THEY DON'T SIT ON LAPS WHILE YOU'RE EATING POPCORN AND WATCHING TV. THEY STAY IN A CAGE. AND AS LONG AS WE HAVE STORES LIKE THAT, IT'S GONNA CONTINUE. AND AS A HUMAN RACE, WE'VE GOTTA STAND SOMEWHERE AND SAY, THAT'S WRONG. THAT IS SO WRONG. NOW THERE ARE, THERE ARE, UH, FAMILIES WHO RAISE DOGS. I MEAN, YOU WANNA BUY A MALOO, MRS. JONES DOWN, DOWN ON MILLER MIGHT HAVE A, SOME PUPPIES IN HER YARD. I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT. LISA MIGHT, UH, YOU CAN GET, EVEN IF YOU WANT A PURE BREAD DOG, YOU CAN DO THAT. WE'VE GOT AN ANIMAL SHELTER THAT'S FULL OF DOGS ALL THE TIME. YOU WANT A DOG OR, I CAN'T GO TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER AT MY AGE. I CAN GET ONE FOR $25. MY HUSBAND SAID, I CAN'T GET ANY MORE DOGS. . YEAH. DOESN'T MATTER HOW CHEAP IT IS, IF IT'S FREE, THE POINT IS, WE DON'T NEED IT. WE DON'T NEED THAT IN GARLAND. WE DON'T HAVE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT. WE DON'T HAVE BARS. WE DON'T NEED THAT CRAP HERE. THANK YOU. OH, HOLD ON. I'M JUST, JUST SAYING, DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YOU, YOU, YOU ARE, YOU'RE HITTING ON IT, UH, DIRECTLY. AND SINCE I DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH IN TERMS OF NOTES HERE. YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING A WONDERFUL JOB FOR THE ATTORNEY, SPECIFICALLY PROVIDING AN I A WAY FOR HIM TO MAKE THIS A MORE, UH, DETAILED SORT OF APPROACH. SO THE ISSUE IS THAT WE HAVE RETAILERS IN THE CITY OF GARLAND. WE'RE NOT NAMING ANY RETAILERS SPECIFICALLY. WE'RE JUST SAYING SOMEWHERE IN THE CITY TWO. NOPE, NOPE, NOPE, NOPE. WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST NO, NO NAMES. PLEASE. I WON'T, I WON'T SAY THEM. [00:45:01] THERE IS A PROBLEM IN THE CITY WITH THIS ISSUE. YES, SIR. HOW DO WE IDENTIFY THAT THOSE COMMERCIAL, UH, ENTITIES ARE USING, ARE UTILIZING THIS INHUMANE BREEDING METHOD? I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN DO THAT. I THINK WE JUST PROHIBIT THE SALE OF DOGS AND CATS IN A RETAIL SETTING. THAT'S WHAT THIS, UH, PROPOSED CHANGE WOULD DO. LET'S FLAT OUT, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO, I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S NO SENSE IN TRYING TO HAVE A PUPPY MILL FROM MISSOURI SNEAKING DOGS IN THE BACKYARD YARD SAYING THEY WERE IN MRS. JONES' HOUSE OVER ON MILLER, AND NOW THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL 'EM THAT WAY. DON'T SELL 'EM THAT WAY. DON'T BREED 'EM. STOP IT. WE JUST DON'T NEED IT. WE DON'T NEED ANY LOOPHOLES. WE DON'T NEED ANY BACK DOORS. JUST DON'T DO IT. DO HAMSTERS, SNAKES AND GUPPIES. OKAY. THANK YOU. MY, MY WIFE WOULD'VE AN ISSUE WITH SNAKES. YEAH. OH, WELL, YEAH. . I, I WAS TRYING TO BE KIND TO ANYBODY WHO MIGHT WANT TO THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU. AND, UH, LISA CRAWFORD. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS LISA CRAWFORD. I LIVE AT 6 0 3 PERDIDO DRIVE, UM, GARLAND, TEXAS 75,043. AND I AM HERE TO VOICE SUPPORT FOR THIS ORDINANCE. YOU HEARD AT FIRST IMPORTING DOGS, AND THAT'S WHERE THESE DOGS COME FROM. THEY'RE SOURCED FROM OUT OF STATE. THESE DOGS ARE BEING IMPORTED. IMPORTING DOGS AND CATS FROM OTHER STATES IS THE LAST THING GARLAND OR TEXAS NEEDS. UM, SHELTERS ARE FULL. RESCUES ARE FULL STRAYS AND ABANDONED DOGS ARE EVERYWHERE. UH, ANIMAL CONTROL STAFF IS CONSTANTLY GOING, AND IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. NUMEROUS CITIES IN TEXAS HAVE PASSED SIMILAR OR STRONGER LEGISLATION. ALL MAJOR METROPLEXES HAVE PASSED TOUGHER LEGISLATION. AND THESE PET CHAIN STORES ARE MOVING. AND GARLAND DOES NOT WANT TO BE THE LANDING PLACE FOR THEM. THAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED HERE. AND FRANKLY, IT'S, IT'S UNNEIGHBORLY. THESE CITIES WORKED REALLY HARD TO GET THIS PASSED. UM, AND IT'S A SLAP IN THE FACE TO THEM TO JUST HAVE IT MOVE HERE TO GARLAND. IT ALSO NEGATIVELY AFFECTS THE COMMUNITY IN, IN VARIOUS ASPECTS, SMALL, ETHICAL, FAMILY BREEDERS. YOU, YOU WANT TO, YOU WANT A FULL BRED DOG GO TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. ETHICAL BREEDERS, THEY GET PUSHED OUT BECAUSE THEY CANNOT COMPETE WITH THE RETAIL CHAIN STORE. ONLINE ADVERTISING, AND IT'S EVERYWHERE. IT NEGATIVELY AFFECTS SHELTER AND RESCUE ADOPTIONS, WHICH NEGATIVELY AFFECTS SHELTER COSTS, WHICH I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY IS VERY HIGH WITH THE CITY. UM, LOWER ADOPTIONS, LOWER ADOPTIONS FROM RESCUES PREVENT THE RESCUES FROM PULLING FROM THE SHELTER. COMMERCIAL BREEDERS DO NOT TAKE DOGS BACK. RESPONSIBLE BREEDERS DO. YOUR FAMILY BREEDER WILL ALWAYS TAKE THEIR PUPPY BACK. SO IF A PUPPY GETS SICK OR DOESN'T SELL FAST ENOUGH, IT EITHER DIES FOR FROM ITS ILLNESS OR IT GETS TO, IT GETS SURRENDERED TO A SHELTER OR A RESCUE. AND THAT TAKES SPACES IN THAT SHELTER OR RESCUE FOR THE OVERPOPULATION THAT WE HAVE HERE IN TEXAS. UM, AGAIN, RESCUES CAN'T PULL AND SHELTERS STAY FULL. IF THE BUYER HAS A HARDSHIP COME UP AGAIN, THERE'S NO TAKEBACKS, A SHELTER OR A RESCUE STEPS UP OR WORSE, THEY'RE DUMPED AND A DUMPED DOG. THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING IN THESE PET STORE CONTRACTS THAT SAY THE DOGS HAVE TO BE SPAYED AND NEUTERED, WHICH IS A CITY LAW. A DUMPED DOG USUALLY MEANS, UM, A PREGNANT DOG. SO, SO YOU'VE GOT A DUMP DOG AND YOU'VE GOT AN, YOU'VE GOT UNWANTED PUPPIES. BACKYARD BREEDING INCREASES WHEN PEOPLE SEE PROFIT BEING MADE BY DESIGNER DOGS. THEY WILL ATTEMPT TO DESIGN THEIR OWN WHEN THAT DOESN'T WORK OUT. THE OUTCOME AGAIN, IS SHELTER OR RESCUE SPACE, OR DUMP DOGS AND UNWANTED PUPPIES, PREDATORY LENDING AT THE STORE. YOU GET, YOU GET APPROVED FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT. YOU TAKE THE PUPPY HOME, YOU FALL IN LOVE WITH THE PUPPY. YOU BUY THE PUPPY A SWEATER. IF YOU COULD SUM UP, PLEASE, ALMOST DONE. UM, TWO, THREE WEEKS LATER, AFTER YOU'RE IN LOVE, UH, YOU GET THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT. WHAT'S INTEREST RATES AS HIGH IS 32%. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, RETAIL PET STORES ARE PIPELINES FOR PUPPY MILLS. [00:50:01] THIS HAS BEEN PROVEN OVER AND OVER AND OVER. THEY FUND AND ENCOURAGE THE HORRIFIC TREATMENT OF THE DOGS THAT ARE PRODUCING THESE CUTE LITTLE PUPPIES AND KITTENS. THEY THANK YOU COMMISSIONER DALTON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN. I APPRECIATE IT. AND THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS APPRECIATE IT. TONIGHT WE ARE LOOKING AT A CHANGE IN THE CITY ORDINANCE PERTAINING STRICTLY TO RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS. AND I COULD NAME ANY NUMBER OF REPUTABLE COMPANIES THAT SELL ANIMALS, UH, IN THE CITY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. BUT WHAT YOU BRING OUT IS A DEFINITE ISSUE. IT'S DEFINITELY AN ISSUE. YOU HAVE THESE PUPPY MILLS, AS YOU SAID, THAT JUST PUMP OUT PUPPIES EVERY MONTH SO THAT THEY CAN SELL 'EM. YOU ALSO MENTIONED THE REPUTABLE BREEDERS. WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION HERE TO DRAW THAT LINE WHEN IT'S NOT IN THE RETAIL WORLD. WE CAN ONLY DEAL WITH WHAT'S RETAILED. BUT UNDERSTAND, I THINK EVERYONE ON THIS COMMISSION HEARS AND UNDERSTANDS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND WE FEEL FOR THOSE ANIMALS AND THE PEOPLE THAT GET INVOLVED IN THESE KIND OF DEALS. BUT I DO THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN. AND I DO THANK YOU FOR YOUR VOICING THE WORDS THAT YOU GAVE US. OR A REPUTABLE, A REPUTABLE BREEDER WOULD NEVER SELL THEIR PUPPIES, WHOLESALE, NEVER. SO, THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN. WE DO APPRECIATE IT. HEATHER, ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN AUDIENCE? I SEEN, I SEE NONE. ANY DISCUSSION OR MOTION? COMMISSIONER ROSE. YES. THERE YOU GO. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE CONCEPT, BUT I THINK THE WORDS THAT ARE PRESENTED TO US TONIGHT NEED A BETTER DEFINITION OF WHAT RETAIL SALES IS. UH, UH, LISTENING TO THESE LADIES TALK, UH, RE UH, I JUST THINK NEEDS TO, THAT NEEDS TO BE A BETTER DEFINITION OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PASS ON TO COUNSEL TO APPROVE. I THINK IT'S, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S CLEAR ENOUGH ALREADY. COMMISSIONER JENKINS WANT TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER ROSE. I, I CERTAINLY THINK THAT THE ORDINANCE COULD BE, UM, BETTER DIRECTED TO ADDRESS THE SPECIFIC ISSUE THAT'S BEING PRESENTED, OR AT LEAST THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE. UM, I ALSO NOTE AGAIN, AND WE'D LEARNED THIS AND THEY WERE COUNTS, THE WORK SESSION MEETING, EXCUSE ME, THAT THIS DOES NOTHING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT ARE CURRENTLY PRESENT IN THE CITY, BECAUSE THOSE ARE LEGAL NON-CONFORMING. AND, YOU KNOW, UNLESS THEY SHUT THE DOORS FOR A PERIOD OF SIX MONTHS OR MORE, DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE CLARITY AND, AND HOPE THAT THE COUNCIL CAN, UH, CONSIDER WHAT IS BEFORE THEM, UH, AS YOU KNOW, BEFORE THEM, AS PRESENTED THROUGH THIS, UH, THIS, UH, MEETING TONIGHT. THANK YOU. RIGHT. WE, WE CAN FORWARD IT WITH ALL OF OUR SUGGESTIONS. YEAH. COMMISSIONER ROSE, MY QUESTION THEN IS CAN WE POSTPONE THIS FORWARDING SO THAT THE, UH, THE COMMISSION, THE, UH, COMMITTEE CAN RECONSIDER IT AND WRITE DOWN A BETTER DEFINITION? UH, OUR JOB IN REALITY IS TO REVIEW IT, GIVE OUR INPUT, AND PASS IT FORWARD SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THEIR SAYING. THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT CAN WORK ON IT WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. AND, UH, I THINK THAT THEY'LL HEAR OUR VOICES. I THINK DELAY IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T SERVE A PURPOSE, BUT, UH, THE VOICES ARE THERE THAT THERE'S SOME CLEANUP IN THE LANGUAGE. UH, CUZ IT'S ALSO MENTIONED ABOUT PET GROOMING. LET'S NOT THROW OUT THE, THE BABY WITH THE BATHWATER KIND OF THING. AND, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ENSURE THAT ADOPTION IS SOMEHOW PROTECTED IN THERE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ADOPT ADOPTING AGENCIES COME IN FRONT OF SOME OF THE PET STORES TO ADOPT. THEY CHARGE A FEE FOR ADOPTION. IS THAT CONSIDERED THE SALE? AND I, I WORKED TOO MUCH WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO GET THAT WORD INCORRECT OR YOU CAN GET CAUGHT UP IN IT. ALL RIGHTY. ANY MORE DISCUSSION OR MOTION? COMMISSIONER O YEAH, JUST, I THINK YOU HIT ON ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALLOW GROOMING, THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY, THEY ALLOW, UH, UH, DOG GROOMING. AND I BELIEVE THE WORD THAT YOU'RE THINKING OF, UH, AS FAR AS FOR ADOPTION WOULD BE RE-HOMING. IT'S A REHOMING FEE IS USUALLY WHAT, WHAT THAT IS. YEAH. I'M, I'M CERTAIN IT'S AN ADOPTION FEE, REHOMING FEE. BUT YOU, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT SOME PEOPLE TRY TO DO. SHUT 'EM DOWN SAYING, HEY, YOU'RE SELLING THEM TOO. YEAH. IT'S A $3,000 REHOMING FEE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THEY SUDDENLY HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. MM-HMM. . YEAH. YEAH. UNDERSTOOD. [00:55:04] ALL RIGHTY. IS THERE ANY KIND OF MOTION COMING FORWARD? MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONER JENKINS MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE OR APPROVE WITH RECOMMENDATIONS THE ORDINANCE PRESENTED BEFORE US TONIGHT. SECOND. OKAY. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JENKINS AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS TO APPROVE THE FORWARDING OF THE CHANGE WITH THE STRONG RECOMMENDATIONS. WITH THE STRONG RECOMMENDATIONS WE MADE IN OUR PRE-MEETING. AND HERE TONIGHT. AND MR. GARRIN IS DOWN THERE WRITING FEVERISHLY , I HOPE. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE FORWARDING OF IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA. BUT BEFORE WE ADJOURNED, A COUPLE PERSONNEL THINGS WE NEED TO WORK WITH. UH, FIRST OF ALL, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON IN DISTRICT FOUR, UH, THIS WAS TO BE HIS LAST NIGHT WITH US. HIS JOB IS TAKEN ON A FORM THAT DOESN'T ALLOW HIM TO SERVE. AND ALTHOUGH HE WASN'T HERE LONG, I APPRECIATE HIS SERVICE AND JUST THE WILLINGNESS TO SERVE SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE PERSON THEMSELVES TOO. SO I, I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT [4b. Update on Plan Commission Secretary] AND DOWN AT THE OTHER END, WE ARE LOSING OUR PLAN COMMISSION SECRETARY, TRACY ALMAN DINGER. SHE IS MOVING FROM THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT UP TO THE FOURTH FLOOR OF THIS BUILDING HERE. IT'S BEEN A LONG TERM GOAL AND WE THANK HER FOR THE, SO MANY YEARS OF SERVICE AND PUTTING UP WITH US AND WISH HER WELL AND EVERYTHING. BUT WE ARE GETTING ELISE MORALES AND I SEE HER SMILING FACE DOWN THERE. I KNOW SHE'S GONNA WORK OUT GREAT. AND REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING YOU WORK WITH US AND HOPE YOU STAY WITH US FOR A LONG TIME. YEAH. SO THAT'S, THAT'S A SUMMARY OF OUR PERSONNEL CHANGES, UH, FOR THE MOMENT. AND SO UNTIL OUR MEETING OF FEBRUARY 13TH, WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.