* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. THIS IS 2:01 PM [00:00:01] ON FEBRUARY 21ST, 2023. THIS IS THE MEETING OF THE CITY OF GARLAND ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES COMMITTEE. I'M CHAIRMAN ROBERT JOHN SMITH. WITH ME TODAY ARE, UH, MAYOR PROTO DEBORAH MORRIS, COUNCIL MEMBER DYLAN HEDRICK AND MEMBERS OF CITY STAFF. UH, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE DECEMBER 13TH, 2022 MEETING. UH, MEMBERS, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW AND IS THERE A MOTION MOVE TO APPROVE? SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCIL MEMBER HEDRICK, A SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM MORRIS. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. NONE OPPOSED. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. MOVING ON. ITEM NUMBER TWO, ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. PUBLIC COMMENTS DOES NOT LOOK LIKE WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CARE TODAY TO COMMENT, UH, BUT IF ANY DO ARRIVE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE THEIR TESTIMONY, UH, AS WE GO. ITEM TWO B, DISCUSSED AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE SIZE AND MAKE UP FOR THE ANIMAL SERVICES COMMITTEE. AND WE'VE GOT ART AND PHILLIP WITH US TODAY, WE'RE GONNA DROP SOME KNOWLEDGE ON US. . OKAY. HOW'S IT GOING EVERYONE? ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS, INSTEAD OF A SIX PERSON COMMITTEE, WE'RE ASKING FOR AN EIGHT PERSON COMMITTEE. UM, AND I KIND OF GO OVER WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. SO THE COMMITTEE SHALL BE COMPOSED OF ONE LICENSED VETERINARIAN, ONE COUNTY OR MUNICIPAL OFFICIAL. ONE PERSON WHOSE DUTIES INCLUDE DAILY OPERATION OF AN ANIMAL SHELTER. ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM AN ANIMAL WELFARE ORGANIZATION, ONE PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIAL, ONE EDUCATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE WITH A BACKGROUND IN ANIMAL STUDIES, ONE ANIMAL WELFARE, NONPROFIT OFFICIAL, AND ONE CITIZEN WHO SHALL BE A RESIDENT REGARDLESS, WHO SHALL NOT HAVE ANY PROFESSIONAL OR PERSONAL AFFILIATIONS SIMILAR TO THOSE, UH, REPRESENTED BY OTHER APPOINTEES. ALSO, WE WERE MEETING JUST THREE TIMES A YEAR. WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS TO MEET AT LEAST SIX TIMES A YEAR. AND THE ANIMAL SERVICE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AUTHORITY SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE FOLLOWING TASKS, WHICH IS ADVISED THE CITY COUNCIL AND LOCAL HEALTH AUTHORITY AND COMPLYING WITH DEPARTMENT OF STATE HEALTH SERVICES RULES PERTAINING TO ANIMAL SHELTERS. UH, IN ADDITION, IT WILL ALSO ASSIST ANIMAL SERVICES WHILE OBTAINING CHARITABLE DONATIONS TO SUPPORT THE OPERATIONS OF ANIMAL WELLBEING. ALL RIGHT. MEMBERS, YOU'VE HEARD THE PLAN. THIS IS IN LINE WITH WHAT WE DISCUSSED BACK IN DECEMBER. ANY ADJUSTMENTS REQUESTED? ANY COMMENTS? HEARING NOTHING? DO I HAVE A MOTION? SECOND. AYE. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE MAYOR PRO TIM, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HEDRICK. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. NONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ITEM TWO C, UH, ALSO COVERS. HOLD ON. LET'S SEE. THAT WAS TWO B AND TWO C. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO 2D, DISCUSS AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE DISPOSITION OF SURPLUS CITY PROPERTY CHAIRMAN. UH, JUST HAVE A QUICK PRESENTATION. I HOPEFULLY, UH, WOULD LIKE TO GO AS FAST AS AS ART HERE, BUT, UH, WE'LL RUN THROUGH THIS, UH, QUICKLY. UH, SO CURRENTLY WHEN WE DISPOSE OF PROPERTY FOR THE CITY, WE UTILIZE AN ONLINE AUCTION SERVICE, WHICH IS PUBLIC SURPLUS, AND THOSE ITEMS ARE POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND AS WELL AS PUBLIC SURPLUS WEBSITE AS WELL. UH, SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE, UH, THE ORDINANCE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS, UH, THE DEFINITION, BRINGING A DEFINITION OF SURPLUS AND SALVAGE PROPERTY. SO, SURPLUS PROPERTY WOULD BE PROPERTY OWNED BY THE CITY THAT IS GOING TO BE, UH, DISCARDED, UH, DUE TO THE LACK OF NEED OR THE COST OR MAINTENANCE OR REPAIR IS, IS NO LONGER FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE FOR THE CITY. UH, SALVAGE PROPERTY IS PROPERTY THAT HAS LITTLE TO NO MARKET VALUE, AND THE VALUE IS LESS THAN THE COST OF THE DISPOSITION THROUGH A BIDDING PROCESS OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF PROCESS TO DISPOSE OF IT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? OKAY. UH, SO WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING FOR THE DISPOSITION OF SURPLUS PROPERTY IS, UH, DETERMINED BY THE CITY MANAGER OR HIS AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE. AND AS WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING, THE REPRESENTATIVE THAT WOULD BE HANDLING THIS WILL BE THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT. AND, AND GARY'S HERE IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT. BUT, UH, WHAT WE SEE IS EXAMPLES OF SURPLUS PROPERTY OR RETIRED CITY VEHICLES THAT ARE STILL, UH, RUNNING IN, IN GOOD SHAPE. AND THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UH, UH, BE RETIRED AS WE'VE, UH, NOW HAVE A VEHICLE REPLACEMENT PLAN, AND WE CAN GET THOSE OUT. SAME, UH, EXAMPLE WOULD BE PARKS, EQUIPMENT, GOLF COURSE EQUIPMENT THAT, UH, IS WORKING. IT'S FUNCTIONAL, BUT AT THIS POINT IT'S TIME TO, TO RETIRE THOSE. AND THE DISPOSITION OF THESE ITEMS WOULD BE THROUGH THE AUCTION METHOD THAT WE DISCUSSED, A SEALED BIDDING PROCESS, UH, NEGOTIATION WITH, UH, ONE SINGLE BIDDER. IF THERE'S JUST ONE PERSON THAT'S INDIVIDUAL, UH, THAT'S, UH, INTERESTED IN THIS AND THAT, UH, THE CITY MANAGER WOULD ENSURE THAT FAIR MARKET VALUE [00:05:01] WOULD BE OBTAINED FOR THE PROPERTY. AND THAT'S WHERE PURCHASING WOULD ALSO ASSIST US TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE, UH, DESIGNATED WHAT FAIR MARKET VALUE IS. AND, UH, THE ORDINANCE ALSO DOES ALLOW FOR THE SELLER OR TRADE OF, UH, PROPERTY WITH, UH, GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? OKAY. UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS THE DISPOSITION OF SALVAGE PROPERTY. AND AGAIN, THIS IS DETERMINED BY THE CITY MANAGER OR HIS, UH, AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE, WHICH AGAIN, WOULD BE THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT. UH, EXAMPLE OF THIS, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A VEHICLE OF THIS NATURE RIGHT NOW, UH, WITH THE, UH, THE ISSUES WE'RE SEEING WITH, UH, WITH THE FLEET AND GETTING PARTS IN AT TIMES, ESPECIALLY SPECIALIZED PARTS. WE HAVE VEHICLES THAT ARE RETIRED AND WE'RE ROBBING PARTS OFF OF THAT VEHICLE. AND SO IT'S NOT A, UH, GREAT FUNCTIONING VEHICLE. IT'S NOT ABLE TO TO DO MUCH AT THIS POINT. SO, UH, THAT IS A, A SALVAGE PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND THEN WE ALSO SEE ITEMS SUCH AS OFFICE FURNITURE AS BEING SALVAGED, PROPERTY AS, UH, UH, BY THE TIME WE GET IT OUT OF OUR INVENTORY, IT'S DOESN'T TYPICALLY HAVE A, UH, A BIG VALUE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SO, UH, THE DISPOSITION WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE, THE METHODS THAT WERE DESCRIBED, UM, WITH THE OTHER, UH, PIECES OF PROPERTY. WE DID ADD A CAVEAT AS DISCUSSED FROM THE LAST MEETING, THAT IF AN ITEM HAS A THOUSAND DOLLARS VALUE OR BELOW THAT IT CAN BE DONATED TO A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION. AND IF IT HAS A THOUSAND DOLLARS VALUE, IT'LL BE SOLD AT THE CITY MANAGER'S DISCRETION TO, UH, TO OBTAIN THE, UH, THE MARKET VALUE FOR IT. AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UM, I WAS LOOKING BACK AT, AT NOTES FROM OUR LAST DISCUSSION, AND ANOTHER, ANOTHER, UM, REQUIREMENT THAT I THINK WE HAD DISCUSSED, ASIDE FROM THE UNDER $1,000 VALUE BEING ABLE TO BE DONATED, UM, WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE ONE ITEM PER YEAR C CORRECT LIMIT TO REQUESTERS. YES, MA'AM. AND THAT IS IN THE ORDINANCE IN YOUR PACKET. UH, I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T PRESENT THAT. BUT THAT IS WITHIN THE, UH, UH, THE, THE ORDINANCE, UM, THE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION WILL BE LIMITED TO THE DONATION AND DIRECT PURCHASE OF ONE ITEM PER CALENDAR YEAR. OKAY. I DIDN'T GET THIS IN ADVANCE, SO SORRY, I DIDN'T READ IT. JUST NOW. APOLOGIZE. WE, WE EMAILED THIS OUT LAST WEEK. I'LL APOLOGIZE THAT WE DIDN'T, UH, GET IT DONE. APPARENTLY IT WENT INTO MY, I DIDN'T NOTICE IT PILE. THANK YOU, ZOE. YES. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. WHAT IF IT'S A, UM, MAYBE LIKE A LARGE GROUP OF REALLY CHEAP ITEMS THAT STILL COME IN UNDER A THOUSAND. IS THAT CONSIDERED ONE DONATION OR IS IT CONSIDERED, UH, UH, DO WE, YOU KNOW, I'M WONDERING IF WE SHOULD JUST PUT A DOLLAR AMOUNT CAP INSTEAD OF A, OF AN, UH, AN ITEM COUNT. I, I WOULD PREFER THAT PERSONALLY. SO MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW. WE COULD DO 1000, WE COULD DO 2,500 SOMETHING. SOMETHING CLOSE TO THAT THAT JUST LIMITS THE TOTAL, THE VALUE OF THE GOODS. CAUSE I WAS THINKING WE HAD A, UM, A THING WHERE A BUNCH OF EMERGENCY COTS CAME THROUGH AND VALUED, THEY WERE VALUED AT PROBABLY $20 A PIECE. WE'D WANT TO GIVE THE WHOLE BATCH AS OPPOSED TO ONE COT. RIGHT. SO COULD WE SET LIKE A MAX VALUE? AND IF SO, WHAT WOULD THE COMMITTEE BE COMFORTABLE WITH RECOMMENDING? WELL, DO WE DEFINE AS A VALUE OR A LOT LIKE IT'S A, A COTS OR IT'S ONE SINGLE LOT? WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I MEAN, MAYBE ONE, ONE LOT IS COTS AND THEN SIX MONTHS LATER THEY GET A BUNCH OF BLANKETS THAT GO FOR THE COTS. BUT WE HAVE TO WAIT. UH, THEN, THEN, I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THEM. WHAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING THIS, THIS PART OF THE ORDINANCE RIGHT THERE, IF WE'RE GONNA LIMIT IT TO THAT? I MEAN, HERE'S THE GOAL TO TRY TO SPREAD IT ACROSS MULTIPLE ORGANIZATIONS. WE DO HAVE THE PROVISOR THAT UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE COMES ALONG, THEY CAN STILL HAVE IT. YEAH. WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACHIEVE? I GUESS THAT'S, I'M, I'M TRYING TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T, THAT NUMBER ONE, YOU KNOW, THAT ONE DONATION PER YEAR DOESN'T, I, I THINK THE INTENT IS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT GIVING AWAY TOO MUCH TO ANY SINGLE ENTITY, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANNA LIMIT IT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF ITEMS, MAYBE JUST BASED ON THE TOTAL DOLLAR VALUE OF THE ITEMS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. I MEAN, I'M, CUZ I MEAN, I'D, I'D BE HAPPY TO SAY A THOUSAND DOLLARS IS THE, IS THE LIMIT PER YEAR. THAT'S FINE. BUT I THINK, AND I THINK IT'S A BETTER APPROACH TO SAY THAT THAN TRY AND COUNT THE NUMBER OF ITEMS WE'RE DONATING. I WOULD AGREE. SO WE COULD JUST STRIKE THE ONE ITEM PER YEAR AND JUST HAVE IT VALUE OF $1,000 OR LESS PER YEAR. YOU COULD PUT THE PER YEAR THERE TO, AND THEN OVER OVER A THOUSAND CAN BE SOLD AT THE CITY MANAGER'S DISCRETION. SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF CAPPING THE, THE DOLLAR VALUE. IS THAT OKAY? OKAY. THAT'S FINE. YEAH. OKAY. WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE. THAT'S PRETTY EASY. OKAY. OKAY. IS THERE ANYMORE? NO, SIR. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. IS EVERYBODY HAPPY WITH WHERE THIS ENDED UP? AND IS THERE A MOTION? [00:10:01] SURE. I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE AS REVISED. I WILL SECOND. OKAY. WE'VE GOT A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDRICK SECOND FROM MAYOR PRO, TIM MORRIS. UM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. NONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. UH, CHAIRMAN, JUST FOR, FOR CLARIFICATION, SINCE I'M STILL LEARNING THE, THE PROCESS, UH, ARE WE OKAY TO MAKE THIS CHANGE AND GO AHEAD AND REPORT IT OUT AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING? YES, SIR. OR DO WE NEED TO BRING THIS CHANGE BACK TO THE COMPANY? YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS MINOR. NO WORRIES. UH, JUST BRING IT ON BACK TO WORK SESSION. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. THIS MAY BE THE FASTEST ASC MEETING EVER CONDUCTED. THIS IS GREAT. LET'S KEEP IT ROLLING. TWO E PRESENTATION OF THE SENIOR AND HOMESTEAD TAX EXEMPTIONS. GOOD AFTERNOON. GIVE ME JUST A SECOND. I'LL PULL THIS UP. OKAY. AND I GOTTA ASK, DID EVERYBODY CHANGE THE TEMPLATE FOR ALL THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATIONS? BECAUSE WE'RE NOTICING THAT LAST NIGHT MEMO WENT OUT. APPARENTLY. DID I GET A MEMO? OH YEAH. FOLLOWING DIRECTIONS. YOU USUALLY ALL RIGHT. ARE NICE. VERY COOL. OKAY. UM, VERY TE THANK Y'ALL FOR, FOR HAVING INTEREST IN THIS. YOU KNOW, I'M A TAX GUY, SO I LOVE TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES. SO, UH, I'M GOT A PRESENTATION HERE REGARDING OVER 65 HOMEOWNERS AND THEIR EXEMPTIONS. UM, I PRESENTED THIS PRESENTATION, UH, BACK AROUND 20 19, 20 20, UH, BASICALLY GIVING STATISTICS ON WHERE, WHERE THIS EXEMPTION RIDES, UH, IN NOT ONLY CITY GARLAND, BUT AS IT RELATES TO NEIGHBORING CITIES AND DISTRICT HERE TODAY TO GIVE AN UPDATE OF THOSE FIGURES. AND, AND, UH, IF ANY TIME DURING THE PRESENTATION, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, UH, ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW WHAT WON'T, WON'T MESS ME UP. I, I, I'D RATHER HAVE THAT INFORMATION I SHARE AS MUCH AS I CAN WITH YOU. OKAY. UM, FIRST SLIDE. UH, WE TALK ABOUT OVER 65 HOMEOWNERS. UH, THEY ARE ASSORTED, UH, UH, AFFORDED CERTAIN PRIVILEGES OR RIGHTS AS IT RELATES TO THEIR HOMESTEAD AND PROPERTY. UH, IN THIS PRESENTATION, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THOSE PRIVILEGES AND RIGHTS AND, UM, THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION ITSELF IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT. THE PAYMENT OPTIONS THAT THEY OVER 65 HOMEOWNERS HAVE, UH, WILL ALSO DO SOME DA DATA COMPARISONS AND, UH, AMENDMENT AMENDING THE EXEMPTION. UH, GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON ON WHAT THE STEP IS THERE. IF Y'ALL DECIDED IT'S SOMETHING YOU WANNA PURSUE. UM, KEEP IN MIND YOUR OVER 65 PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, AND YOUR DISABILITY ACCOUNTS OR DISABLED PROPERTY OWNERS, HOMEOWNERS, THEY, UH, RECEIVE VERY SAME BENEFITS. UH, AS, AS IN THIS SLIDE OR AS IN, IN THIS PRESENTATION. UH, KEEP IN MIND THAT WE'LL FOCUS ON OVER 65, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BOTH ESSENTIALLY. OKAY. IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION MUST BE A SEPARATE SECURE STRUCTURE, NOT EXCEEDING 20 ACRES, UM, OWNED IN WHOLE OR PART BY THE APPLICANT AND, UH, DESIGNED OR ADAPTIVE HUMAN RESIDENCE AND OCCUPIED BY THE OWNER AS THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE. UH, THE QUALIFIED STRUCTURE DOES NOT LOSE ITS CHARACTER AS A RESIDENT HOMESTEAD. IF THE HOMEOWNER TEMPORARY STOPS OCCUPYING FOR HEALTH OF INFIRMITY AGING ACT MILITARY SERVICE. THAT IS ONE MISCONCEPTION THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO BE IN THE PROPERTY TO MAINTAIN YOUR EXEMPTION. UM, NO LONG AS YOU'RE STILL THE HOMEOWNER AND YOU'RE CLAIMING THAT AS YOUR HOMESTEAD IF YOU HAVE TO GO TO A, UH, UH, CARE FACILITY OR THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON THAT TAKES YOU OUTTA YOUR HOME FOR WHAT SHOULD BE A TEMPORARY STATUS THAT DOES NOT, UM, REMOVE YOUR EXEMPTION, IF YOU WILL. OKAY. THE TASK CODE DOES, DOES NOT MANDATE A GENERAL HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION FROM MUNICIPALITIES. HOWEVER, LOCAL EXEMPTION IS AVAILABLE, UM, IF APPROVED LOCAL OPTION EXEMPTION IS ADMINISTERED AS PERCENTAGE DISCOUNT AND NO LESS THAN $5,000. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AGAIN, THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. UH, YOU'RE IN ADDITION, YOU'RE OVER 65 EXEMPT MAY ALSO BE APPROVED WITH A MINIMUM EXEMPTION OF, OF $3,000. UH, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OVER 65 EXEMPTION, IT IS ALWAYS CALCULATED IN AN ACTUAL SOLID DOLLAR AMOUNT, NOT A PERCENTAGE, AND IT ACTS MORE LIKE A SUPPLEMENT TO THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. UH, ONE OTHER CAVEAT FOR, UH, YOUR OVER 65 EXEMPTIONS, THEY MAY INCLUDE A CEILING FEATURE, WHICH WOULD LIMIT THE LEVY INCREASE FOR SUBSEQUENT TAX YEARS. NOW, UH, THE CITY OF GARLAND HAS APPROVED A LOCAL OPTION EXEMPTION, UH, OF HOMESTEAD OF 10% AND OVERSIGHT 65 OR $56,000 OF APPRAISED VALUE. THE OVERSIGHT 65 EXEMPTION DOES NOT INCLUDE A TAX CEILING. SO WE DO NOT HAVE A CEILING HERE IN THE CITY OF GARLAND. UH, YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE HOW THAT PANS OUT HERE ON NEXT SLIDE. [00:15:01] UH, WELL, BEFORE WE GO THERE, LET'S TALK ABOUT PAYMENT OPTIONS. AS OVER 65 PROPERTY OWNER, YOU HAVE PAYMENT OPTIONS OF DOING AN INSTALLMENT PLAN. WE CALMLY HEAR IT CALLED A QUARTER PAY PLAN. OKAY? IF YOU'RE OVER 65, WE ARE ABLE TO TAKE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR CURRENT YEAR TAX BILL AND WE BREAK IT INTO FOUR EQUAL PAYMENTS. THEY'RE ALLOWED TO PAY NOT ONLY, UH, IN JANUARY, BUT THEY'RE MAKING ONE OF THOSE QUARTER PAYMENTS IN MARCH, MAY, AND THEN JULY. UH, KEEP IN MIND, THE PROPERTY OWNERS, IF FOR SOME REASON THEY FALL SHORT ON A MONTH OR THEY BECOME DELINQUENT, UM, THE WHOLE BALANCE DOES NOT GET THE PENALTY AND INTEREST JUST THAT PARTICULAR QUARTER THAT BECOMES DELINQUENT OR LATE. SO IT, IT, IT KIND OF HAS A COMPOUND EFFECT IN HELPING OVER 65 PROPERTY OWNERS BE ABLE TO MANAGE YOUR BUDGET. THAT, THAT, UH, TAX RESPONSIBILITY. THIS, THIS CHART HERE JUST SHOWS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT QUARTER PAY PARTICIPANTS AND THE QUARTER PAY PLAN. UH, SINCE 2019, WE HAD 746 PARTICIPANTS. UH, NOW IT'S 795 I GOT HERE IN 2016. IT WAS AROUND FOUR 50. SO AS YOU SEE, THERE'S BEEN A, A NICE GROWTH PATTERN. UM, THE AVERAGE OVER 65 ACCOUNTS IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS IS ROUGHLY $15,000. UH, ALL PROPERTY OWNERS ARE SENT NOTIFICATION OF INSTALLMENT PLAN VIA THEIR ANNUAL STATEMENT. SO, UH, THEY CALL, THEY KNOW THAT, UH, IF THEY READ THEIR STATEMENT, THEY HAVE A STATEMENT ON THERE THAT TELLS 'EM IF YOU'RE OVER 65 DISABLED, PLEASE CALL. YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF JOINING A PLAN. IN ADDITION, IF THEY WERE A PRIOR YEAR PARTICIPANT IN THE QUARTER PAY PLAN, WE WILL AUTOMATICALLY SEND THEM A PACKET, WHICH ALLOWS THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT PLAN FOR THE FUTURE YEAR. IT'S A CHOICE OF THEIR OWN. EVEN IF THEY ENTER INTO THE PLAN, THEY'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO PAY BASED ON THAT SCHEDULE. THEY CAN PAY ALL OF IT IN THE FIRST QUARTER OR THE SECOND QUARTER IF THEY LIKE. UH, THE PLAN SIMPLY GIVES THEM MORE TIME TO BREAK IT OUT AND PAY IT. THE FIRST QUALIFYING PAYMENT SHOULD BE PAID BY JANUARY 31ST, BUT MAY ACCEPTED THROUGH FE FEBRUARY WITH PENALTIES ON THAT FIRST QUARTER. OKAY. LATE PAYMENTS WILL RECEIVE PENALTIES RESPECTED TO THE QUARTERED AMOUNT. TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TAX DEFERRALS. THIS IS KIND OF A LAST RESORT OPTION, BUT WE DO, UM, DEFINITELY WE, WE TRY TO EDUCATE OUR, OUR PROPERTY OWNERS ON IT. UH, OVER 65 HOME OWNERS ARE ABLE TO POSTPONE PAYMENTS OF TAXES AND PROTECT THEIR HOME FROM PROPERTY TAX FORECLOSURE. THEY DO THIS THROUGH TAX DEFERRAL. ESSENTIALLY, THE TAXES ARE STILL DUE ON THE PROPERTY. THEY'RE STILL PAYABLE ON THE PROPERTY. THEY ARE IN A DELINQUENT STATUS, BUT THEY ARE DEFERRED. SO THE PENALTIES AND COLLECTION FEES, ONCE THE DEFERRAL IS APPROVED AT THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, THE PENALTIES AND COLLECTION FEES ARE FROZEN AT THE TIME OF APPROVAL SO THAT THEY DON'T CONTINUE TO GROW. ONCE THE DEFERRED AND ALL LEGAL ACTION IS DISMISSED AND OR PROHIBITED, WHICH MEANS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER DOES NOT HAVE TO BE, UH, STRESSED OR CONCERNED THAT THERE WILL BE ANY ACTION TAKEN AGAINST THEM FOR DELINQUENT TAXES AS LONG IT IS, AGAIN, AS LONG AS THEY OWN THE, THE PROPERTY AND THE LEVY THAT'S REMAINING WILL RECEIVE 5% ANNUAL INTEREST COMPARED TO THE SUBSTANTIAL PENALTY INTEREST AND EVEN COLLECTION FEES. THAT'S IN OUR, OUR NORMAL SCHEDULE. SO AGAIN, ALL OF THIS IS WRITTEN OUT IN THE STATE TAX CODE. THIS PARTICULAR TAX TAX CODE IS 33 OH 0.06. UH, KEEP IN MIND, UH, THERE'S ONE BIG CAVEAT THAT MANY PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE A CHALLENGE WITH IS IF THEY STILL HAVE A CURRENT MORTGAGE ON THAT PROPERTY. MORTGAGE COMPANIES DO NOT REALLY HONOR DEFERRALS. SO WHEN WE HAVE CITIZENS COME TO A COUNTER AND WE, WE PRESENT THAT OPTION, WE ALWAYS ASK THEM, HEY, ARE YOU UNDER A MORTGAGE? AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS. DOESN'T SAY THAT THEY CAN'T GET IT, THEY CAN STILL GET IT APPROVED, BUT IT MAY NOT BE TO THEIR BEST BENEFIT, UH, WHEN THEIR MORTGAGE COMPANY COMES IN AND DECIDES TO PAY THE TAXES. OKAY, TAX DEFERRALS, JUST A LITTLE, UH, FEW NUMBERS HERE. UH, PAST THREE YEARS, UH, WE HAD 143 DEFERRALS IN 2020, AND NOW WE HAVE 262, UM, COVERING ROUGHLY $468,000 IN DEFERRED LEVY. UM, IT'S, IT'S GROWN A LITTLE BIT, SO ANY QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ALONG. ALL RIGHT, OVER 65. EXEMPTION COMPARISON. I BROKE DOWN 30 CITIES HERE, AND IF YOU SEE FROM THE CHART, UM, I GOT SOME COLORS. I LIKE COLORS. UH, EIGHT OF THEM HAVE CEILINGS. UH, EIGHT, EIGHT OF THE EIGHT OF THE ACTUALS ENTITIES HAVE CEILINGS. UM, AND THE REST ARE NOT CEILING ENTITIES. WE'RE AT GARLAND HERE IN THE MIDDLE, THERE IN THE RED AT $56,000 OF VALUE. KEEP IN MIND, UH, THESE [00:20:01] NUMBERS YOU SEE, THEY, THEY, THEY, SOME ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN WHAT WE PROVIDE AND SOME ARE LOWER. I BELIEVE I LEFT OUT, UH, HOLLAND PARK, PARK CITIES, UH, BECAUSE THEY HAVE, I THINK IT'S LIKE HALF A MILLION DOLLAR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION IS, IS, IS, BUT IT'S ALL RELATIVE TO THE TYPE OF PROPERTY THAT'S IN THAT DISTRICT. SO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY VALUE COMPARISON. OKAY? UH, YOU HAVE, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS CHART, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT GARLAND OUT OF THE U SEVEN CITIES REPRESENTED HAS THE LARGEST, UH, POPULATION OF RESIDENTIAL PARCELS. UM, RELATIVE TO THAT, WE ALSO HAD THE LARGEST POPULATION OF, UM, OVER 65 PARTICIPANTS AT 15,714. 24% OF, UH, OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IS UNDER OVER 65 EXEMPTION, UH, COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHER ENTITIES, UH, RELATIVE WOULD BE DESOTO AND RICHARDSON AT 25% FOR DESOTO AND 28% FOR RICHARDSON. IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, PERCENT OF RESIDENTIAL VALUE LOSS DUE TO OVER 65 EXEMPTION, UH, GARLAND'S AT 5%. AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TWO COMPARABLE CITIES FOR PARTICIPATION, UH, YOU'RE AT 3%. AND DESOTO, WHICH HAS A MUCH SMALLER EXEMPTION AT $30,000, UM, $35,000, AND THEN YOU HAVE RICHARDSON AT 8%, WHICH HAS A MUCH HIGHER EXEMPTION. THIS IS A LITTLE STUDY ON COLA, UH, FROM THE SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION. UH, LOOKING AT THE, THE CHARTS HERE, SOME POINTS OF INTEREST, AND I WANT TO PULL UP, GIMME A SEC, DON'T WANT TO MISS THEM HERE. IF YOU NOTICE IN 2016 AND 2017, THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN COLA FROM 0.3% TO 2%. UM, THAT WAS KIND OF THE FIRST SIGN THAT THAT, THAT, THAT THINGS WERE CHANGING, PROPERTY VALUES WERE INCREASING. UH, AND, AND WE ALL KIND OF KNOW THAT STORY GOING YEAR AFTER YEAR FROM THERE. UM, IN ADDITION, UH, ADDITIONAL CHANGES OR, OR, OR NOTICES HAPPENED IN 21 AND 22 AT 5.9% INCREASE AND 8.7%. SO IT, JUST LOOKING AT THAT IN COMPARISON TO, WE INCREASED THE OVER 65 EXEMPTION IN 2019 TO 2020 FROM 51,000 TO $56,000. TODAY, THAT $56,000 EXEMPTION IS EQUIVALENT TO $401 IN ACTUAL LEVY. SO BASICALLY IF YOU HAVE AN OVER 65 EXEMPTION, YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT PROPERTY OWNER, IT SAVES YOU $401 IN THE CITY OF GARLAND. OKAY. UH, SLIDE HERE IS STEPS OF AMENDING THE EXEMPTION IN ITSELF. AMENDMENTS OF OVER 65 EXEMPTION MUST BE APPROVED BY THE GOVERNOR BODY BY JULY 1ST. UH, THE GOVERNING BODY MAY ALSO CALL AN ELECTION BY PETITION OF AT LEAST 20% OF THE ELECTORATE, WHICH SHOULD PARTICIPATE IN THE PRECEDING ELECTION TAX UNIT. CHANGES CHANGES TO THE EXEMPTION IN THE AMOUNT MUST RESULT IN AN EXEMPTION AMOUNT OF AT LEAST $3,000 OF VALUE. UM, AND AGAIN, IF THE BODY DECIDES TO ACTIVATE TAX CEILINGS, ONCE THEY'RE ADDED, THEY MAY NOT BE REMOVED. UH, IN FUTURE YEARS, THEY HAVE TO STAY. AND WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, SO IT SAYS TAX CEILINGS ONCE ADDED MAY NOT BE REMOVED RETROACTIVELY. CORRECT. DOES THAT MEAN THEY CANNOT BE REMOVED MOVING FORWARD? THEY CAN JUST ONCE THEY'RE, THEY'RE FOREVER. ONCE THEY'RE ON THERE, THEY'RE ON THERE. THEY'RE FOREVER. OKAY. YEAH. I KNOW I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM A LOT OF RESIDENTS, UM, WHO HAVE FRIENDS OR RELATIVES IN ETTE, AND I'M HEARING A LOT ABOUT TAX CEILINGS. MM-HMM. MM-HMM. . YES. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING QUESTION FOR YOU? UM, SO YOU SAID THE, THE MINIMUM AMOUNT, IF, IF WE CHOSE TO INCREASE THE SENIOR EXEMPTION, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SO BY AT LEAST $3,000, IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, THE RESULTING CALCULATION, SO WE'RE NOWHERE NEAR THAT. UH, ANY INCREASE WOULD, WOULD BE A COURSE. WE'RE ALREADY AT $56,000. RIGHT. SO THE, THE OFFERING HAS TO BE AT LEAST 3000. SO WE'RE WELL PAST THAT. OH, OKAY. YEAH. GOT IT. OKAY. BECAUSE I, I FLIPPED AHEAD IN YOUR, YOUR HAND OUT HERE AND SAW A, UH, AN INCREASE IN HERE OF 1500, AND I WENT, WAIT A MINUTE. YEAH, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 3000 JUST TOTAL, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO BE ABOVE. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, WE JUST DID HAVE A LONG CONVERSATION AND LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS ABOUT, UH, WHAT THE LEGISLATURE'S LOOKING AT DOING, UH, WITH THE, UM, WITH THE PROPERTY TAXES, UH, WITH AMENDMENTS TO MOVE THE, THE 10% VALUE, UH, APPRAISAL CAP DOWN TO 5%. AND WHILE THE LEGISLATURE'S IN SESSION [00:25:01] TO SPEAKING FOR ME, I'M GENERALLY UNCOMFORTABLE, UH, MAKING CHANGES IN OUR EXEMPTIONS UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. AND SINCE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO UNTIL MAY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE LOOK AT THIS EACH YEAR BY POLICY, WHICH IS WHY IT'S HERE. UM, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL THAT WE MAKE NO CHANGE ON THIS THIS YEAR. UH, AND, AND MAYBE WE NEVER MAKE A CHANGE THIS IN THE LEGISLATIVE YEAR, UH, BECAUSE OF COURSE THE TIMING IS, IS PRETTY CRAZY. UH, WE CAN ESSENTIALLY, WE HAVE THREE PATHS FORWARD. THE FIRST IS WE CAN SIT ON THIS UNTIL JUNE, I WON'T BE HERE, SO Y'ALL WILL HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT. BUT WE'LL HAVE TO GET SOMETHING DONE, I THINK BY JULY. RIGHT? JULY 1ST. BY JULY 1ST, UH, WE CAN RECOMMEND NO CHANGE OUT TO THE COUNCIL OR WE CAN RECOMMEND A CHANGE TO THE COUNCIL. UM, RIGHT NOW, I'M, I'M JUST KIND OF THINKING NO CHANGE, BUT, UH, WHAT ARE Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS? I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. YES, SIR. UM, I'M CURIOUS TO HOW THE INCREASE IN EXEMPTION AFFECTED BETWEEN 2019 AND 2020, BECAUSE WE HAVE, ON THIS PAGE HERE, IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT NUMBERED, BUT YOU GAVE THE TAX DEFERRALS AND NUMBER OF DEFERRED ACCOUNTS MM-HMM. , AND I'M WONDERING IF THE INCREASE IN EXEMPTION VALUE AFFECTED THE NUMBER OF DEFERRALS AT ALL? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO WITH THIS WHOLE REVISING IT WITH THE PROPERTY TAXES GOING TO KICK MORE PEOPLE. YEAH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SEEING, I'M NOT SEEING A, AN EFFECT OF, OF IT PUSHING MORE PEOPLE TO THE DEFERRAL. UM, I WOULD EXPECT EXPECT THE OPPOSITE. OPPOSITE. WELL, OR, OR, OR, OR FROM IT SO MUCH BECAUSE THE OFFSET IN, IN THESE, IN THIS YEAR OR THESE PERIODS, THE, THE GROWTH OF PROPERTY GROWTH OF THE LEVEE HAS GROWN SO FAST, SO EXPONENTIALLY THAT EVEN WITH THE INCREASE OF THAT EXEMPTION, THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE STILL UNDER, UH, A, A HEAVY PRESSURE WITH THEIR PROPERTY TAXES. SO WHEN THEY GO UNDER DEFERRAL, EVEN WITH THAT ADDITIONAL $5,000, THEY STILL WOULD'VE, WOULD'VE GONE INTO IT BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE OF THE RATE OF GROWTH, RIGHT. AND PROPERTY VALUE. MM-HMM. , THAT MAKES SENSE THEN. I MEAN, WE'RE JUST, OUR EXEMPTIONS AREN'T KEEPING UP WITH THE HOUSING COSTS GOING UP, ESSENTIALLY IS RIGHT. WHAT CAUSE IT, THANK YOU. THANK, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RAISING REVENUE THROUGH PRICE CUTS AND THAT'S, IT MAKES SENSE. YEAH, IT MAKES SENSE. SOMETHING TO KEEP AN EYE ON IN FUTURE YEARS. DEFINITELY. UH, BUT IT, BUT TO YOUR POINT, THE DATA'S SO SKEWED RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE, THE INFLATIONARY CYCLE. IT'S HARD TO KNOW. HMM. YES, SIR. I HAD NOT THOUGHT ABOUT THAT ANGLE BEFORE. IT'S A GOOD ONE. SURE. I I WOULD PROBABLY PREFER TO, UM, PUT THIS ON HOLD AND REVISIT IT IN JUNE AFTER WE ACTUALLY SEE WHAT THE LEGISLATURE DOES. OKAY. UM, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S ANOTHER WHOLE YEAR. TRUE, VERY TRUE. AND THE SENIORS ARE IN DISTRESS. SO I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT MISSING AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE COULD DO SOMETHING, ANYTHING WITHOUT SINKING THE SHIP OF STATE HERE. SO BASED ON THE, THE DEADLINES AND THE TURNAROUND TIME, UH, WOULD YOU BE OKAY IF THE QUESTION BYPASSED THIS COMMITTEE AND WENT STRAIGHT INTO A, AS A WORK SESSION ITEM IN JUNE? TOTALLY FINE. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'D HAVE TIME TO, TO MEET, TURN IT AROUND, GET THAT OUT, GET IT ONTO THE WORK SESSION AGENDA, ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL, GET IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL IN TIME FOR A JULY 1ST DEADLINE. THAT MAKES SENSE. SO STRAIGHT, MAYBE STRAIGHT TO WORK SESSION. SECOND, SECOND WORK SESSION IN MAY, BECAUSE WE SHOULD HAVE SOME IDEA AND WE CAN POST, WE CAN KICK IT TO JUNE IF WE NEED TO, BUT THEY, THEY MAY HAVE ALREADY ACTED AS MY MY POINT, BUT WE NEED TO GIVE OUR FINANCE TEAM TIME TO, TO DO NEW PROJECTIONS BASED ON LEGISLATIVE, UH, GOINGS ON IN AUSTIN. AND, AND WE REALLY DON'T WANT MATT TO QUIT OUT OF FRUSTRATION, SO WE NEED TO GIVE HIM SOME TIME. THAT MAKES SENSE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD, THAT IS A GOOD SOLUTION BECAUSE IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE DELAYED BY COMING THROUGH HERE AND THEN BEING REPORTED OUT. SO THAT WOULD WORK. SO THE REQUEST FROM THIS COMMITTEE WOULD BE TO, UH, REQUEST A PARTICIPATION OF THE FULL COUNSEL, UH, WITH NO RECOMMENDATION FROM US PENDING LEGISLATIVE, UH, ACTION IN AUSTIN. AND THEN WE'LL BRING THIS BACK, UH, FIRST MEETING IN JUNE TO THE WORK SESSION. YES, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT. THUMBS UP, MR. CHAIR, SIR. UH, THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT ALSO HAS A SMALL PRESENTATION TO TAG ON WITH. OKAY. WE COULD SEE THAT. GO AHEAD AND BRING IT ON. YEAH, [00:30:01] IT'S ON THE, THE DESKTOP THERE. OKAY. THOSE THREE PRESENTATIONS. THANKS, PHIL. YEAH, I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T HAVE THIS CORRELATE GOOD WITH COREY, BUT THIS IS THE LA SHOULD BE THE LAST TWO SLIDES IN YOUR, UH, PACKET OF, AND IT, WHAT I'M SHOWING IS JUST THE IMPACTS TO, TO RESIDENTS AND TO THE, TO THE CITY IF THERE WAS ANY CHANGES MADE TO HOMESTEAD AND SENIORS. SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST KIND OF A MATRIX THAT I, I'VE TYPICALLY SHOWN IN THE PAST ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICE COMMITTEE OF WHAT THE INCREASING EXEMPTIONS WOULD DO ONE TO HOMEOWNERS AND TO THE CITY. SO WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IS IT REALLY JUST LOOKING AT INCREMENTALLY ON THE HOME SET, INCREASING THIS BY 1%. SO WE WENT TO 11, 11% RATHER THAN 10 OR A 1% INCREASE. IT SAVE, IF YOU HAD A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS HOME, IT WOULD SAVE $7. PROBABLY A MORE REALISTIC WOULD BE IN THE $300,000 HOME RANGE AT ABOUT $22. AND THEN THAT WOULD GO UP BASICALLY $22 EACH PERCENTAGE IS PROBABLY THE EASIEST WAY TO LOOK AT THAT FOR A $300,000 HOME. SO YOU WOULD, IF IT WENT TO 12%, YOU'RE SEEING A $43 ANNUAL SAVINGS ON TO $65 ANNUAL SAVINGS WITH 3%. AND BELOW THAT IS THE IMPACTS TO THE CITY'S REVENUE. SO BASICALLY EACH 1% INCREASE, THE HOMESTEAD EQUATES TO ABOUT $797,000 OR FOREGONE REVENUE. AND, AND SO THAT'S JUST A SLIDING SCALE UP. OBVIOUSLY IF WE MOVE TO 13, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 2.3 MILLION HIT TO BOTH THE GENERAL FUND AND THE DEBT SERVICE. AND THEN THIS SLIDE'S LOOKING AT, UH, THE SENIOR EXEMPTION. AND, UH, THE CHAIR MENTIONED THAT THE, WITH THE $1,500, I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, BUT WE'RE WELL OVER THAT $3,000 CAP. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO 3000, UH, INCREMENTS, BUT BASICALLY A $1,500 INCREASE TO A, UH, THE SENIOR EXEMPTION'S ABOUT $12 SAVINGS TO A SENIOR. IF YOU WENT UP TO 5,000, THAT'S ABOUT $38 OF SAVINGS. AND THEN ON THE CITY SIDE, OH, A $1,500 IMPACT WOULD BE ABOUT $203,000 OF FOR GONE REVENUE SLIDING UP TO $679,000, UH, FOR GONE REVENUE. AND, AND REALLY THE, THE MAIN REASON WHY I WANTED TO BE HERE TODAY IS FOR WHAT Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT WITH WHAT THE LEGISLATURE IS DOING. UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY PRUDENT WITH THE DECISION Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY MADE, JUST TO SEE, LET THAT PLAY OUT AND THEN SEE HOW THIS IMPACTS ON TOP OF THAT. WITH THAT, ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, I, I WON'T BE HERE TO, TO BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION, BUT I, I WOULD, I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO, TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO WITH THE SENIOR RATE AGAIN, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE INFLATION AS IT'S BEEN, UH, IN COLA, NOT QUITE KEEPING UP ON THE SOCIAL SECURITY SIDE. UH, BUT I WANNA MOVE UNTIL I KNOW WHAT THE LEGISLATURE'S GONNA DO. BUT YEAH, OUR SENIORS ARE GONNA NEED SOME RELIEF AGAIN. SO YOU MAY SEE ME ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MIC, UH, AT ONE OF THESE DISCUSSIONS AND, AND PITCHING THAT RELIEF. OKAY. ARE WE GOOD TO TAKE THE SPEC TO COUNCIL IN JUNE? OKAY, WE'RE GOOD THERE. THANK YOU BOTH GENTLEMEN. WE APPRECIATE YOU, Y'ALL. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS ITEM TWO D, ITEM AND TWO, UH, NOPE, SORRY. THAT WAS ITEM TWO E. I'VE GOT THIS, I PROMISE. UH, ANNUAL REVIEW OF CITY COUNCIL POLICIES, UH, MEMBERS, WE JUST GOT THROUGH DOING THIS IN DECEMBER. DOES ANYBODY FEEL THE NEED TO REOPEN COUNCIL POLICY AT THIS TIME? NO. NO. OKAY. AND WE'LL JUST, UH, WE'LL TAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND REFERRALS AS THEY COME INTO THE COMMITTEE AND WE CAN DO THAT. MR. ENGLAND. GO AHEAD, SIR. UM, Y'ALL ARE REQUIRED TO, THE COUNCIL'S REQUIRED TO ADOPT THE POLICY EVERY YEAR. SO IF YOU WANT TO REFER THIS OUT FOR NO CHANGES, THEN THEY CAN FORM, Y'ALL CAN FORMALLY DO THAT IN WORK SESSION IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE CONSENSUS TO ADOPT THE COUNCIL POLICY AS IS. WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU, SIR. THIS IS THE FASTEST ASC MEETING IN HISTORY, AT LEAST SINCE I TOOK OVER CUZ I'M LONG WINDED. UM, IT IS 2:35 PM AND THIS COMMITTEE MEETING IS ADJOURNED TO. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.