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OKAY.

[Public Safety Committee on March 6, 2023.]

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OKAY.

IT'S FOUR O'CLOCK.

WE'LL START OUR GARLAND PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING.

AND, UH, THE FIRST THING IN THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, THE LAST APPROVAL.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, CHIEF? NO.

UH, WE PROVIDED THE MINUTES TO YOU.

UM, SO JUST WAITING FOR APPROVAL.

I NEED A, I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING.

SECOND.

SECOND.

WE APPROVE IT.

OKAY.

SO, AYE.

AYE.

, YOUR, UM, THE SECOND ITEM IS INDIVIDUAL CONCERNS, THE, A PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, CHIEF, YOU WANT TO READ THAT? UH, SURE.

SO I DON'T SEE ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC, BUT PUBLIC COMMENTS.

PERSONS WHO DESIRE TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE ON ANY ITEM ON THE A AGENDA, AGENDA ARE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

TESTIMONY MAY BE HELD UNTIL THE ITEM IS CONSIDERED OR GIVEN AT THE BEGINNING OF ANY COMMITTEE MEETING.

INVITED TESTIMONY MAY ALSO OCCUR AT ANY TIME SUBJECT TO A QUEST OF THE MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE AND WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE COMMITTEE CHAIRPERSON.

THANK YOU.

UM, DEBORAH, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK ON THIS YES.

ITEM? IF, IF I MAY? YES, MA'AM.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

I'LL SIT DOWN HERE AND THEN I'LL SINK BACK INTO THE DARK ROUND BEHIND MM-HMM.

, UM, COMMITTEE I, I REFERRED THIS AND I BELIEVE, UM, MARGARET SECOND DID, IF I'M RECALLING CORRECTLY, UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF NOISE COMPLAINTS, UM, ESPECIALLY OVERNIGHT IN, CERTAINLY IN DISTRICT TWO AND DISTRICT FIVE.

UH, EVEN THIS MORNING I WAS GETTING MESSAGES FROM DOWN IN DISTRICT THREE ABOUT PEOPLE SAYING, WE CALL AND CALL AND YOU GUYS NEVER STOP THIS.

SO, IN, IN CONSIDERING THIS AND CONSIDERING HOW I DON'T, LIKE AT NIGHT AS HAVING OUR PATROL OFFICERS PULLED OFF OF KEEPING THE CITY SAFE AND ALIVE TO ANSWER NUISANCE CALLS, I WAS, I WAS THINKING TO OUR, OUR PARKING MARSHAL, UM, PROGRAM THAT WE PUT IN PLACE AND THAT HAD SOME OF THE SAME ELEMENTS WE WERE USING POLICE OFFICERS TO GO DO PARKING TICKETS IN THE MID, YOU KNOW, PULLING THEM OFF OF OTHER DUTIES IN SOME CASES.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE NOISE IN GARLAND FALLS UNDER OUR HEALTH ORDINANCE, WHICH HAS NEVER MADE SENSE TO CITIZENS OR TO ME.

AND, AND I THINK THE REASON FOR THAT WAS BECAUSE FOR COMMERCIAL THINGS, COMMERCIAL NOISE, OSHA HAS ALL KINDS OF RULES AND THAT SEEMS APPROPRIATE.

THE HEALTH HEALTH DEPARTMENT COMES OUT, THEY MEASURE THE DECIBELS AND THEY MAKE THESE JUDGEMENTS.

BUT THAT HAS NOT BEEN REALLY WELL WORKING WELL FOR NEIGHBORHOOD NOISE AND CHRONIC OFFENDERS.

SO THE, THE TYPICAL STORY I HEAR, AND, AND I THINK THAT MARGARET HAS HEARD AND AND IT'S BEEN PRETTY WIDESPREAD, IS THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO THROW A LOT OF PARTIES AT NIGHT.

THEY'RE VERY LOUD.

AND SO THE ANNOYED NEIGHBORS CALL THE POLICE.

SOMETIMES THE POLICE COME AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING HIGHER PRIORITY CALLS.

IF THEY DO COME, THEY GO AND TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING THE NOISE, AND THE NOISE GETS TURNED DOWN RIGHT UP UNTIL THE CRUISER EXITS THE END OF THE STREET AND IT GOES BACK UP AGAIN AND COMMENCES.

UM, AND THEN THE CYCLE STARTS ALL OVER.

SO I WONDERED IF, IF THIS COMMITTEE COULD BRAINSTORM AND THIS, I WOULD NOT EXPECT THIS TO BE AN OVERNIGHT, UM, REQUEST, BUT COULD BRAINSTORM A BETTER SYSTEM.

AND THE CHIEF MAY HAVE SOME BRILLIANT IDEAS ABOUT THIS THAT WE COULD PERHAPS USE A MARSHALL WHO'S ON DUTY AT NIGHT, UM, AND, AND THROW THAT INTO THAT CATEGORY INSTEAD OF HAVING IT COME THROUGH PATROL OFFICERS.

UM, BUT ANYWAY, THAT IS THE PROBLEM THAT'S PRESENTING.

WE HAVE A BUNCH OF VERY FRUSTRATED CITIZENS WHO SAY, NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES THEY CALL, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE PERSON EVER HAS ENOUGH PAIN FALL ON THEM BY WAY OF CITATIONS TO MAKE 'EM STOP AND THEY LAUGH ABOUT IT.

SO, UH, MY MY HOPE WAS THAT THIS COMMITTEE CAN DO, AS WE DID WITH THE PARKING MARSHALL PROGRAM, COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE THAT HAS A, AT LEAST A CHANCE OF WORKING, UM, BETTER THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.

SO, THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? HOW ABOUT DO, BUT I'M, I'M GONNA YIELD TO COUNSEL LUCK FIRST.

UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT

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MOST PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA THAT NOISE VIOLATIONS FALL UNDER THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

SO THEY'VE CALLED POLICE AND MAYBE NOT, MAYBE THEY DON'T GET, UM, WHAT THEY WANT OUT OF THE SITUATION AND THEN THEY JUST DROP IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THEY CAN CALL THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ON MONDAY AND FOLLOW UP.

SO, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT JUST, IT'S JUST KIND OF CONFUSING FOR PEOPLE TO YEAH.

GET THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT INVOLVED.

THEY HAVE NO IDEA THAT THAT'S .

MR. MR. VERA, ONCE WE FINISH THE PUBLIC.

YEAH, I'M DONE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OH, GO AHEAD.

CHIEF CHIEF IS PUTTING, GETTING US BACK ON TRACK.

WELL, MY, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WHEN YOU'RE READY.

UM, AND LET'S MOVE TO THE SECOND TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE RESIDENTIAL NOISE COMPLAINTS.

AND THEN WHEN WE DO THAT, I'VE, I, I THINK I CAN ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE COMING NOW AND THEN OKAY.

UH, DO THAT.

OKAY.

SO, UM, GO AHEAD.

WE'RE READY TO MOVE TO ITEM B.

YES, SIR.

SO WE MOVING FROM THIS RIGHT CHIEF? SO NOW WE'RE MOVING TO, TO ADDRESS TO THE, TO ADDRESSING THE NOISE COMPLAINTS? YES.

OKAY.

OKAY.

WELL, WELL, I CAN HOLD UNTIL OKAY, AFTER YOUR AFTER CHIEF'S PRESENTATION, OR DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SAY RIGHT NOW? WELL, I CAN, UH, UM, UH, JUST TWO THINGS RIGHT QUICK.

UH, UH, COUNSELORS WRITE, UH, THE GENERAL NO'S AUDIENCE BEING UNDER PURVIEW OF HEALTH.

UH, CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT I THINK COMMITTEE SHOULD TAKE, TAKE A LOOK AT AND WHERE SHOULD LAND.

UM, SECONDLY, UH, AND THEY DO A GOOD JOB.

UH, THE MAJOR EVENTS, THEY, THEY SEND OUT THE NOTICES TO SEND IT TO US.

AND, AND WE ACKNOWLEDGE THIS.

AND I'VE NOT GOTTEN ANY COMPLAINTS FROM ANY ORGANIZATIONS OR GROUPS ABOUT ANY ORGANIZATIONS OR GROUP BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, NOISES.

UM, SECONDLY, UM, I'VE NOT, I'VE NOT GOTTEN, UM, A A LOT OF VERY MANY NOISE COMPLAINTS IN MY DISTRICT.

UH, I THINK LAST YEAR I MAY HAVE GOTTEN THREE.

UM, AND I ONLY IN ONE INSTANCE DID AN OFFICER, UM, HAVE TO SHOW UP AND I HAVEN'T HAVE BEEN WITH THAT OFFICER AND HEARD THAT CONVERSATION.

AND IT WAS VERY APPROPRIATE.

AND AFTER THAT OFFICER EXPLAINED WHAT'S EXPECTED, UH, THE OFFICER LEFT AND DID NOT HAVE TO RETURN BECAUSE THE, THAT, THAT NEIGHBOR DID NOT WANT TO REHASH THAT CONVERSATION WITH OUR OFFICER.

SO I'LL TELL YOU, THE OFFICER GOT THE PERSONS GOT THE FOLKS ATTENTION.

UH, MOST OF THE NO THINGSS IN MY, WE WE HAVE A LOT OF BABIES, BIRTHDAYS AND CHILDREN, BIRTHDAYS, BACKYARD KIND OF THING.

DO WE HAVE.

SO, BUT GENERALLY IN, IN, IN, IN MY DISTRICT, I'VE NOT GOTTEN, AND I AGREE, I I DON'T, UH, I LIKE, UM, THE, UH, THE SUGGESTION THAT WE LOOK AT IT, UH, FROM MAYBE SOMETHING THAT THE MARSHALLS CAN ASSUME, WE DON'T KNOW THAT.

UM, BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA PUT ANY, I DON'T WANNA PUT AN ADDITIONAL, UH, I'M NOT GONNA USE THE TERM LIGHT DUTY, BUT, BUT, UH, LOW RANKING IF I CAN USE THAT TERM.

I DON'T WANNA PUT ANY LOW OTHER LOW RANKING CAR RESPONSIBILITIES ON OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I JUST DON'T WANNA DO THAT.

SO I THINK THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS THAT, THAT WE CAN, UM, WE CAN BOUNCE AROUND ON, ON THOSE.

BUT, BUT, UH, IF, YOU KNOW, IF COUNCILMAN LUCK AND, UH, CONSULATE MORRIS ARE HAVING THOSE, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD, UH, LOOK AT IT.

IF NOT THE OPTIONS, THE, NOT THE MARSHALLS OFFICE.

I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT ALL THE OPTIONS.

WE, THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER OPTIONS CHIEF COMING FROM.

WE'RE, UH, UM, AND IF WE GONNA CONSIDER THE MARSHALL, MR. CHAIR, I THINK AT OUR FUTURE MEETINGS, WE, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT OFFICE INVOLVED IN THIS DISCUSSION.

SO THANK YOU.

THOSE ARE MY, MY COMMENTS FOR NOW.

THANKS.

THANKS, MR. CHAIR.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

BJ, GO AHEAD.

READY? WELL, I'D LOVE TO COME UP WITH A BUNCH OF OPTIONS FOR YOU.

I, I DON'T HAVE ANY GENIUS OPTIONS.

I DON'T AT THE TIME.

I DO HAVE SEAN ROEN HERE, WHO'S OVER THE MARSHALL, SO HE CAN SPEAK TO THE MARSHALS A LITTLE BIT BIT.

RIGHT.

I AM GONNA TRY TO GIVE YOU KIND OF A PICTURE OF WHAT WE DO NOW.

SO YOU KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA OF THE CALL LOAD AND HOW WE RESPOND NOW.

YEAH.

UM, AND I ALSO, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU MENTIONED.

SO IF THERE IS A DISORDERLY CONDUCT IN THE PENAL CODE FOR LOUD MUSIC, AND WE DO NOT FILE THIS CHARGE, WHAT WE FILE IS THE ORDINANCE THAT'S IN THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE.

SO AS A POLICE OFFICER, WE UTILIZE THAT ORDINANCE.

WE DON'T HAVE TO BE PART OF THE HEALTH AND, UH, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO FILE CHARGES ON THAT ORDINANCE.

SO WE DO USE THAT ORDINANCE, AND NO MATTER WHERE THAT ORDINANCE IS IN THE SCOPE OF THINGS, WE CAN USE THAT ORDINANCE.

AND I CAN GO OVER THE ORDINANCE IF YOU WANT TO.

I

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THINK EVERYONE KNOWS IT.

UM, IT SETS DECIBEL LEVELS IN DIFFERENT TIMES.

UH, BUT THE BEST KIND OF RULE OF THUMB IS IF YOU CAN HEAR, IF YOU CAN HEAR IT MORE THAN 50 FEET FROM THE CLOSEST PROPERTY LINE, IT IS A PRESUMPTIVE VIOLATION.

THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO, TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A RULE OF THUMB, UM, WE AVERAGE 6,300 AND 3,038 LOUD NOISE CAUSES PER YEAR IN THE CITY OF GARLAND.

SO IT, AND THAT COMES TO AROUND 20TH DAY.

IT'S NOT 20 A DAY, IT'S MORE LIKE 50 ON THE WEEKENDS, 50 A DAY ON THE WEEKENDS.

MOST OF OUR CALLS ARE ON WEEKENDS.

MOST OF OUR CALLS ARE ON WEEKEND NIGHTS.

AND ANY WEEKEND NIGHT, ESPECIALLY HOLIDAYS, IT'S, IT'S ANYWHERE FROM 20 TO 50 LOUD MUSIC CALLS.

WE AVERAGE ABOUT 97, ABOUT A HUNDRED CITATIONS A YEAR THAT WE ISSUE FOR LOUD NOISES, LOUD MUSIC, LOUD CARS, UH, FROM THAT ORDINANCE.

SO I JUST KIND OF WANNA GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE RESPONDING TO.

NOW.

IT IS A PRIORITY THREE CALL.

UM, AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PRIORITIZING CALLS BEFORE.

IT'S A LOWER PRIORITY CALL.

AND ON WEEKENDS, NIGHTS WE'RE HANDLING PRIORITY ONE, PRIORITY TWO CALLS IN AND OUT THE DOOR.

AND THEN WE'RE HANDLING THE PRIORITY THREE CALLS.

SO WE'RE NOT GETTING TO OUR ORDINANCE CALLS AS QUICKLY AS WE'RE GETTING TO THE PRIORITY ONE AND PRIORITY TWO CALLS.

UM, THE OTHER ISSUE THAT WE GET, I GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ON, IT'S USUALLY WHEN I GET A COMPLAINT FROM COUNSEL AND I LOOK INTO IT.

IT'S, IT'S WHEN WE'VE LEFT IT TO THE OFFICER DISCRETION, AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE, THE EXAMPLE IS SOMEONE CALLS IN AND SAYS, HEY, THE NEIGHBORS GOT LOUD MUSIC.

CAN YOU TELL 'EM TO TURN IT DOWN? I DON'T WANT TO BE CONTACTED.

THE, THE OFFICER GOES OUT THERE KINDA LIKE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE SAID, KNOCKS ON THE DOOR.

HEY, CAN YOU TURN IT DOWN? YES, I'LL TURN IT DOWN.

TURNS IT DOWN, THE OFFICER LEAVES, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICER'S NOT COMING BACK TO CHECK TO SEE IF THE MUSIC CAME BACK OR NOT.

HE'S OFF TO HIS NEXT CALL.

WELL, THE MUSIC GOES BACK UP.

UM, THE NEIGHBOR EITHER CALLS AGAIN AND WE HAVE THE SAME ROUND AGAIN.

UM, OR DOESN'T CALL AND IS FRUSTRATED CUZ THEY'RE STILL HERE IN THE MUSIC.

AND, AND, UM, BUT ONCE WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THE NEIGHBOR SAYS, I DO NOT WANT TO BE CONTACTED, DON'T CONTACT ME.

IT'S USUALLY A KNOCK ON THE DOOR, PLEASE TURN THE MUSIC DOWN.

AND THE OFFICER IS ASSUMING THAT IT'S TAKEN CARE OF.

IF, IF YOU DON'T GET ANOTHER CALL OR IF YOU ONLY GET ONE CALL OF THE 6,338 CALLS, WE GET A YEAR, I WOULD SAY 90% OF THOSE ARE HANDLED BY A FRIENDLY OFFICER KNOCKING AT THE DOOR SAYING, CAN YOU TURN THE MUSIC DOWN? IT WORKS THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TIME.

UH, BUT IT'S THOSE OTHER FIVE TO 10% WE HAVE ISSUES WITH.

WE ALSO GENERATE A REPORT EVERY MONTH THAT'S ON A 12 YEAR CYCLE.

AND THAT REPORT LISTS ALL THE LOUD MUSIC LOCATIONS FOR THE PAST 12 MONTHS, A ROLLING 12 MONTHS THAT HAVE, WHEN ANY LOCATION THAT'S HAD FIVE OR MORE LOUD MUSIC COMPLAINTS THAT IS SENT TO THE NPOS AND THE NPOS OR TO ADDRESS THEN A CHRONIC PROBLEM.

AND SO THE NPOS ADDRESS IT FROM THERE.

SO I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD THOUSAND FOOT OVERVIEW OF HOW WE RESPOND TO, UM, TO LOUD MUSIC CALLS.

I WAS TALKING TO SEAN AND I'LL, I'LL LET HIM TALK HERE IN A MINUTE ABOUT THE, UH, ALS RESPONDING TO THIS.

I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CHALLENGES.

THEY ALREADY HAVE CHALLENGES WITH STAFFING, THEY CAN'T KEEP STAFFED.

UH, BUT I'LL LET HIM SPEAK ABOUT THE MARSHALS.

THANK YOU, CHIEF.

SO IT WOULD BE VERY CHALLENGING TO TRY TO HANDLE NOISE DISTURBANCES OVERNIGHT.

CURRENTLY OUR MARSHALS, THEY WORK TILL 10, UH, AT THE LATEST.

AND THAT'S ONE OR TWO GUYS WORKING TILL 10 AT THE LATEST.

AND SOMETIMES THAT'S NOT EVEN EVERY EVENING.

UH, SOMETIMES I COME IN EARLY IN THE MORNING, THE GUYS THAT WORK DURING THE WEEK, FOR EXAMPLE, INSTEAD OF COMING IN LATE AT NIGHT, UM, TO HANDLE THE PARKING COMPLAINTS.

IF THE PARKING COMPLAINTS ARE, HEY, WE NEED TO CATCH 'EM IN THE MORNING, THEN THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

UM, YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO TRIPLE THE FULL-TIME STAFFING AT A MINIMUM FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THOSE NOISE DISTURBANCES AT NIGHT.

BUT EVEN THEN, THE MARSHALS AREN'T SET UP FOR TRADITIONAL POLICING DUTIES LIKE THAT.

WE DON'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT.

WE, WE DON'T, UH, MOST OF THE OS THE THE MARSHALS ARE, ARE OFFICERS WHO'VE WORKED IN THE PAST SOMEWHERE, BUT THEY HAVEN'T DONE REGULAR POLICE WORK OR ANSWERED POLICE CALLS IN A LONG TIME.

UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SET IN WHAT THEY DO, WHICH IS PARKING, ENFORCEMENT, BUILDING SECURITY.

SO IT WOULD BE VERY CHALLENGING TO TRY TO MOVE THIS OVER TO THE MARSHALS.

AND I WOULD ADVISE AGAINST IT IF YOU WERE TO ASK ME.

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WELL, AND I'LL ADD IT, IT IS A BIG CHANGE FROM WHAT THE MARSHALS DO NOW.

THE MARSHALS ARE DOING NON-CONTACT ENFORCEMENT.

SO THEY COME TO A PARKED VEHICLE AND THEY TAKE A PICTURE.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CONTACT, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF, UM, INTERACTION.

UM, LOUD, MU LOUD MUSIC DISTURBANCES, PARTY DISTURBANCES ON THE WEEKEND, UH, CAN GET VERY VOLATILE.

AND, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT TYPE OF, OF AN ENFORCEMENT THAN WHAT THE PARKING ENFORCEMENT IS.

THERE'S ALSO A QUESTION OF WHETHER MARSHALLS CAN LEGALLY DO THAT.

UH, YOU CANNOT, WHEN YOU HAVE A 1 43 AGENCY, UM, YOU CANNOT HAVE ANOTHER POLICE AGENCY IN THE SAME CITY THAT'S DOING TRADITIONAL POLICE ENFORCEMENT.

SO, UH, THERE'S NEEDS TO BE MORE DISCUSSION THERE IF WE WERE TO EXPLORE THAT.

BUT I THINK THE, THE BIGGEST QUESTION IS HOW DO WE WANT TO PUT OUR RESOURCES? YOU KNOW, I HAVE 500 EMPLOYEES, I HAVE 345 POLICE OFFICERS.

UM, HOW DO I WANT TO DIRECT? WHAT PROBLEMS DO I NEED TO PUT MY RESOURCES TO? AND UM, YOU KNOW, THE MORE WE PUT TOWARDS ONE PROBLEM, THE MORE WE TAKE AWAY FROM ANOTHER PROBLEM.

SO, UH, AGAIN, JUST A BASIC OVERVIEW.

WE'LL OPEN IT FOR QUESTIONS.

CHIEF, MR. CHAIR'S A QUESTION.

QUESTION.

UM, CHIEF, WHEN, WHEN WE, WHEN WE HAVE OUR GATHERING TRAINING OF OUR CRIME WATCH LEADERS AND WE DO THAT ONCE, COUPLE TIMES A YEAR, WE'LL BRING ALL OF THEM TOGETHER AND WE, WE ALL HAVE TOWN HALL MEETINGS AND THINGS TOO.

UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OUT THE BOX HERE.

UM, BUT I DON'T RECALL.

I DON'T, I HAVEN'T PARTICULARLY CUZ IT HADN'T BEEN A PROBLEM.

BUT I DON'T RECALL THIS TOPIC BEING SURE THAT'RE COMING UP IN ANY OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH CRIME WATCH LEADERS AND ELICITING THAT HELP WE, CUZ WE'VE GOT SOME PRETTY AGGRESSIVE CRIME WATCH GROUPS DOWN SOUTH AND THEY ARE UNOFFICIAL CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND POLICE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO LET'S KNOW SOME WHO SOME THOSE PEOPLE ARE.

AND SO I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A POSSIBLE APPROACH, UH, IF WE COULD SOME WAY IN COMMUNICATING WITH OUR CRIME MATCH LEADERS THAT ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND GETTING THE INFORMATION.

I DON'T KNOW, IT MAY BE HELPFUL EVEN TO GET 'EM THE ORDINANCE, BUT I'M NOT SURE.

BUT PERHAPS, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT DO WE HAVE EXISTING THAT WE COULD USE.

MAYBE IT'S JUST A SHORT TERM.

UM, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT, UH, UM, USING, USING, UTILIZING THAT GROUP TO EMPHASIZE? CUZ MOST OF THIS IS, MOST OF THIS IS NEIGHBOR ON NEIGHBOR.

IT'S IT, I MEAN THAT'S WHERE MY NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S THE NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE ALLEY.

MOST OF THE FOLKS THAT CALLED, THEY KNOW THE FOLKS.

THEY, THEY, THEY, IT'S THE NEIGHBOR ON NEIGHBOR.

IT'S VERY SELMA STRANGER.

SO I'M JUST LOOKING FOR ANSWERS.

WHAT WOULD YOU THINK CHIEF, ABOUT, UM, MAYBE INCLUDING THIS IN THE INFORMATION? I KNOW YOUR DEPARTMENT PUTS OUT TO, UH, CRIME WATCH AND NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC.

ANY THOUGHTS FROM YOU OR SEAN ON UH, MAYBE ON, ON THAT KIND OF THING? UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT IN OUR CRIME WATCH COORDINATORS MEETING.

WE HAVE ONCE A QUARTER, IT'S ALL OUR REQUIRE WATCH COORDINATORS THAT GET TOGETHER AND WE HAVE A TOPIC EACH TIME, UH, TO TALK ABOUT IT.

UM, UH, YOU KNOW, AND I, I THINK MOST OF 'EM HAVE THE INFORMATION, BUT WE CAN SHARE THAT INFORMATION.

UH, THEY GET, I DO GET COMPLAINTS FROM THEM.

I DO GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT LOUD MUSIC.

UM, I GET COMPLAINTS FROM CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND I GET COMPLAINTS OF INDIVIDUALS ABOUT PARTY HOUSES.

RIGHT.

I THINK PARTY HOUSES IS THE, IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE.

YEAH.

WHEN IT COMES TO LOUD MUSIC OR, UH, SOMETIMES IT'S THE DANCE HALL, RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE DANCE HALL THAT PLAYS MUSIC TOO LOUD AND, AND THOSE LOCATIONS HAVE A DIFFERENT HOST EVERY WEEKEND.

UH, SO WE DO GET SOME OF THOSE, BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN USE THE, THE CRIME WATCH COORDINATORS TO HELP WITH THE MESSAGING AS WELL.

OKAY.

AND MY, MY LAST QUESTION IS, UM, THIS MOST TO SEAN, IF, IF WE WERE TO COME UP WITH SOME REC A RECOMMENDATION TO INVOLVE THE MARSHALL'S OFFICE MORE, AND THIS IS, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THIS TODAY CUZ YOU'RE NOT, PROBABLY NOT PREPARED FOR THIS QUESTION, BUT WHAT KIND OF RESOURCES WOULD YOUR OFFICE NEED TO ASSIST IN ADDRESSING THIS, THIS PROBLEM? AND LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR THE ANSWER NOW, BUT I WANTED TO THROW THAT QUESTION.

WHAT COULD YOU SHARE WITH US IF WE WERE TO GO THAT ROUTE? WHAT, WHAT KIND OF, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD THE RESOURCE ASK LOOK LIKE OF COUNCIL IN ORDER TO, TO UH, ADDRESS, UH, COUNCIL MORRIS STERN

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AND, AND THE OTHER COMMITTEE? CAN YOU JUST, I I I THINK COUNCILMAN THE, OR OR ARE YOU, OR IS SAID THIS TOTALLY A NON-STARTER AS FAR AS BECAUSE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT I THINK THE LEGAL ISSUES, THE LEGAL ISSUE, THE TRADITIONAL POLICING IS YOUR BIGGEST HURDLE.

OKAY.

AND THEN EVEN IF YOU WERE TO SOMEHOW GET BEYOND THAT, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES.

RIGHT.

WE, WE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE EQUIPMENT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES.

WE DON'T HAVE DUST BOWL READERS.

RIGHT.

RIGHT.

UM, AND THEN STAFFING IS OUR MAJOR CONCERN RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT.

WE, IT IS HARD TO TRY TO ADDRESS.

RIGHT.

EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED THAT WE ADDRESS.

RIGHT.

AND IF WE START TALKING ABOUT ADDING TO THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT REALLY WORRIES ME.

IT REALLY CONCERNS ME.

UM, SO THOSE ARE THE, THE, THE MAJOR THINGS.

AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE TICKET BOOKS THAT WE CAN USE.

WE USE THOSE FOR, FOR PARKING WHEN WE WRITE STATE TICKETS SOMETIMES.

ALTHOUGH WE MAINLY STICK TO THE CIVIL SIDE OF THE PARKING TICKETS.

UH, WE HAVE FLASHLIGHTS, WE HAVE OUR, OUR WEAPONS, OUR HO OUR OUR UNIFORM.

SO WE'RE GOOD THERE.

UH, WE, OUR CARS AREN'T IN THE BEST SHAPE.

UH, IF WE WERE TO GO DOWN THAT ROADE, BUT AGAIN, I, GOING BACK TO THE CHAPTER 1 43 PROBLEM HERE.

THAT, THAT IS BY FAR THE BIGGEST PROBLEM.

OKAY.

UH, A NOISE DISTURBANCE IS A TRADITIONAL POLICE FUNCTION.

RIGHT.

RIGHT.

UM, SO YOU WOULD BE CROSSING THAT LINE AND WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THAT? I DON'T KNOW.

OKAY.

AND I DON'T THINK YOU COULD DO A HYBRID APPROACH.

UM, IT'S KINDA LIKE PARKING ISSUE.

WE CAN'T GIVE CIVIL TICKETS AND GIVE, UH, YOU KNOW, CITATIONS FROM THE ORDINANCE, FROM POLICE OFFICERS.

IF YOU WERE GONNA GO TO A CIVIL ENFORCEMENT, LET'S SAY WE COULD AVOID THE HURDLE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A SYSTEM IN PLACE WHERE THE POLICE ARE NOW COMPLETELY STEPPING OUT OF IT.

AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT SUPPORT SYSTEM FROM THE MARSHALS, WHICH WOULD BE A VERY BIG SUPPORT SYSTEM, THEN YOUR, YOUR COMPLAINTS ARE GONNA DOUBLE AND TRIPLE.

CUZ WE ARE HERE 24 7.

WE DO RESPOND TO ALL THE CALLS.

UM, IT, IT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A VERY ROBUST SUPPORT SYSTEM TO BE READY 24 7, NOT JUST WEEKENDS AND NIGHTS, BECAUSE WE DO GET SOME COMPLAINTS DURING THE WEEKS.

WE CAN'T HAVE SOME CIVIL ENFORCEMENT AND SOME CRIMINAL ENFORCEMENT.

IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A, A COMPLETE MOVE IF WE COULD GET THROUGH THE LEGAL HURDLE OF IT.

AND MAY I ADD ONE THING THAT CHIEF MENTIONED EARLIER, ONE OF THE BUSIEST TIMES FOR NOISE DISTURBANCE IS THE HOLIDAYS.

MARSHALLS DON'T CURRENTLY WORK ON HOLIDAYS.

, THANKS SIR.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

THANK HE'S VOLUNTEERING TO WORK HOLIDAYS.

NO.

OKAY.

UM, THERE WE GO.

WORK IT DOES NOW , I'M TALKING, BUT, OH, .

OH, YOUR BOARD DOESN'T WORK.

I'M, I APOLOGIZE.

UM, SO ARE MOST OF THE NOISE COMPLAINTS, DO PEOPLE CALL, DO YOU KNOW IF PEOPLE CALL 9 1 1 OR THE NON-EMERGENCY NUMBERS? THEY'RE, IT'S BOTH.

IT, I MEAN, I'M JUST WONDERING IF MAYBE THE, THE PERSON, WELL I GUESS IT'S STILL THE 9 1 1 PEOPLE THAT ANSWER THE NON-EMERGENCY CALLS.

BUT IS THERE ANY WAY MAYBE THEY COULD GIVE THE CALLER MORE INFORMATION? LIKE, UM, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CONSISTENTLY HAVE THIS PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, CALL THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ON MONDAY, , YOU KNOW, I, I'M JUST, WE, I REALLY, IT'S DIFFICULT TO DO THAT.

YEAH.

WE DON'T, OUR 9 1 1 OPERATORS, THEY'RE WAITING, THEY'RE GETTING TO THAT NEXT 9 1 1 CALL.

RIGHT.

WE CAN'T USE THAT AS AN INFORMATIONAL LINE.

UM, WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW THAT ROLLING 12 MONTH WHERE WE HAVE THE SAME LOCATION, WE COULD LOOK AT REDUCING THAT TO THREE AND SEE WHAT THE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE TO GET THE NPOS INVOLVED QUICKER.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, THE, THE 9 1 1 OPERATORS, WE'VE GOTTA GET OFF THE PHONE.

AND IN FACT THEIR, THEIR WHOLE JOB IS, HEY, DEAL WITH THE ISSUE, GET THE CALL DISPATCH AND GET TO THE NEXT CALL.

UNDERSTOOD.

SO I THINK, UM, A LOT OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH EDUCATING THE PUBLIC AND OUT AND DOING OUTREACH TO THEM, MAYBE THROUGH CRIME WATCH GROUPS.

UM, I CAN DEFINITELY INSERT IT INTO A TOWN HALL .

SURE.

UM, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS AT ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW WE CAN ALLOW RESIDENTS TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING HEARD A LITTLE MORE ABOUT NOISE COMPLAINTS.

UM, I'M OPEN .

PART OF IT IS TRAINING OUR OFFICERS.

AND I, I KIND OF MENTIONED THAT IN THE BEGINNING, BUT OUR OFFICERS DO NOT VIEW THAT AS A, AS A BIG DEAL.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THE NEXT BIG CALL, BUT IF THEY TAKE A LITTLE TIME, HANDLE THE CALL, YOU KNOW, BE IT A LITTLE MORE STUDIOUS

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ON THESE.

AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES WE'VE DONE LINEUP TRAINING AND IT WORKS FOR, YOU KNOW, A YEAR OR SO, AND IT'S PROBABLY TIME FOR THAT AGAIN.

UM, BUT PART OF THAT IS ENFORCING THAT FROM THE TOP DOWN IF THIS NEEDS TO BE A PRIORITY IN HOW YOU HANDLE THE CALL.

BUT YES, THANK YOU.

THE WAY I WORKED IT IN MY DISTRICT, UH, I WAS GETTING A LOT OF CALLS ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO AND, UM, I FINALLY STARTED GETTING THE NEIGHBORS TO KNOW THEIR NEIGHBORS.

MM-HMM.

, YOU KNOW, TALK TO 'EM, HEY, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A PARTY TONIGHT, KNOCK IT OFF ABOUT NINE OR 10 O'CLOCK.

YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY WERE TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORS.

THEY WERE SCARED TO TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS.

RIGHT.

AND, AND THAT'S WHY YOU GET CHIEF, THAT'S WHY YOU GET A LOT OF CALLS THAT DON'T LET 'EM, DON'T SAY I'M THE ONE THAT'S, UH, REPORTING THEM.

I DON'T WANT THEM TO KNOW ABOUT YOU.

RIGHT.

WELL, YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T YOU TALK TO THE NEIGHBOR? LIKE, BJ WILL SAY, GO TO TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBOR.

TELL 'EM, HEY, WOULD YOU MIND CUTTING IT DOWN? YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT THAT RIGHT THERE, BUT THE NEXT DAY GO TALK TO 'EM OR THE FOLLOWING WEEKEND OR SOMETHING.

RIGHT.

I DON'T MIND THEM HAVING A PARTY UNTIL 10 O'CLOCK.

YEAH.

11 O'CLOCK ON SATURDAY NIGHT, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY GOTTA LET THE STEAM OUT.

ESPECIALLY PARTIES.

RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, BIRTHDAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT GOING BACK TO YOUR DEAL ON THE MARSHALS, WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY MARSHALS.

YEAH.

THAT QUALIFY TO, TO ENLIST IN OUR MARSHALL PROGRAM BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT IT'S HARD TO FIND ALS.

I WAS A DEPUTY SHERIFF.

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT THE THING ABOUT IT, WE'RE NOT TALKING TO EACH OTHER.

THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING.

IF NEIGHBORS TALK TO NEIGHBORS, SAY, HEY, I'M GONNA HAVE A PARTY TONIGHT, SATURDAY NIGHT, AND YOU'RE INVITED TO COME, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW, HEY, THAT'S FINE.

I LIVE IN A CIRCLE.

WE USED TO, THEY GOT PARTIES.

EVERY, EVERY ONE NEIGHBOR HAVE A PARTY EVERY WEEKEND, BUT THEY KNOCK IT OFF ABOUT NINE, 10 O'CLOCK, YOU KNOW, AND THEY STILL TALKING, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY'RE NOT PUTTING THE LOT NOISE.

THEY SHUT IT DOWN.

YOU KNOW, SOME OF 'EM ARE FROM THE COUNTRY, THAT'S WHY THEY TURNED THE RADIO ON OR THE MUSIC, YOU KNOW, THEY THINK THEY'RE OUT THERE IN THE PASTURE, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHERE I COME FROM, .

YEAH.

BUT IT, IT IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN UNTIL WE START TALKING TO EACH OTHER, YOU KNOW, AND WRITING TICKETS, UH, LIKE YOU SAID, CHIEF DEPENDS ON THE POLICEMAN.

IF THE POLICEMAN COME OVER THERE AND SAYS, HEY, KNOCK IT DOWN, YOU KNOW, PINING DOWN AND ALL THIS.

AND, AND HE GOES AND THEY KEEP ON SAYING, DOING IT.

WHAT WE HAD THAT PROBLEM IN MY DISTRICT, THEY WOULD COME AND THEY SAY, HEY, KNOCK IT DOWN.

THEY LEAVE A LITTLE QUIET LATER.

YEAH.

THEY CAN.

THE GUY'S DOING IT AGAIN.

YOU KNOW, SO HE CAME AND TO A BOY COMING BACK SAYS, LOOK, IF YOU DON'T QUITE NOW, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE HERE, GOING TO GET TICKETS BECAUSE YOU'RE MAKING LOT NOISES AND ALL THAT.

AND THAT CUT IT DOWN WHEN THE POLICE SAID THEY'LL COME, THEY COME BACK TONIGHT AGAIN.

THEY WRITE TICKETS, THEY SHUT IT DOWN, YOU KNOW.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO ANY MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE A SCOUTING CREW ON THE WEEKENDS AND THAT'S HARD TO DO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, UH, WE'RE NOT A LITTLE TA LIKE EVERYBODY CALLS IT.

OH, WE, WE GOT THE LITTLE TA UH, DEAL UHUH 250,000.

THAT'S NOT A LITTLE TA YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, NOT 60,000.

50,000.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS A LOT.

HMM.

AND IF WE DON'T GET MORE POLICEMAN AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UH, IT'S GOING TO BE, BUT, BUT IF WE TALK TO EACH OTHER, I THINK THEY'LL CUT IT DOWN.

YOU KNOW? I MEAN, THAT'S MY SUGGESTION.

BUT A LOT OF 'EM DON'T WANT TO TALK TO THEIR NEIGHBORS OR ACROSS THE STREET OR ANYTHING, YOU KNOW? UH, I DON'T LIKE 'EM, YOU KNOW, THEY GUY, WELL, I DON'T WANT ANYTHING, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY LOOK AT EACH OTHER

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AND THEY DON'T LIKE THIS GUY BECAUSE THE WAY HE LOOKS THIS OTHER GUY, BECAUSE, UH, THEY DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO ME.

YOU KNOW, BUT THEY DON'T TALK.

THEY JUST SAY THAT.

I THINK ON MY SENIOR YEAR IN HIGH SCHOOL, I WROTE, EVERYBODY HAD TO WRITE UP A SAYING UNDER YOUR NAME.

AND I SAID, THE REASON PEOPLE HATE EACH OTHER SO MUCH BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER SO WELL.

AND THAT'S THE TRUTH.

YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU START KNOWING THE PURPOSE, YOU LIKE IT, YOU KNOW.

BUT WE AIN'T GETTING THAT FROM THE, FROM THE NEIGHBORS SOMETIME, YOU KNOW.

SO THAT'S MY SPEECH ANYMORE.

I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE FOR NEIGHBORS TO TALK TO EACH OTHER MORE.

.

THAT WOULD BE AMAZING.

WELL, BJ ABOUT HIS NEIGHBORS, THEY START TELLING THEM HE'S GOING TO HAVE A PARTY.

THEY'LL COME AND ASK HIM, HEY, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A PARTY.

YOU'RE INVITED TO COME TO THE PARTY, BUT, YOU KNOW, KNOCK THE MUSIC DOWN.

RIGHT.

YOU KNOW.

UM, MR. GO, GO AHEAD.

GO AHEAD, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST ONE LAST THING ON THAT.

I'M STILL RACKING MY BRAINS I IDEAS CHIEF, UH, THOSE, THE NUMBERS YOU, YOU HAD UP THERE, 60, 63 PLUS 6, 2 3, 6,000 PLUS 306,338.

YES.

AND I KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU AND, AND YOU, YOU, YOU GUYS KEEP ALL KIND OF DATA.

UM, AND YOU, YOU KEEP THAT ON WHERE THESE, UH, CALLS OR COMPLAINTS ARE COMING FROM WHAT'S SQUADS THE CITY, RIGHT.

WHERE THE COMPLAINTS ARE COMING FROM.

WHERE, WHERE, YEAH.

THESE, YOU SAID WE, WE AVERAGE ABOUT 6,300 PLUS CALLS A YEAR.

DO YOU, YOU KEEP THAT ON WHERE, WHERE THOSE CALLS ARE COMING FROM? WE KNOW WHERE THOSE CALLS ARE COMING FROM, WHAT PART OF THE CITY, RIGHT.

WE KNOW, WE KNOW THE BREAKOUT OF THOSE CALLS.

I CAN, I CAN MAP THAT IN A HEAT MAP.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? YES.

YES.

WE IS THAT ASSET QUESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW THIS RE FACT, BUT IF WE HAVE PARTICULAR CONCENTRATIONS IN CERTAIN AREAS, MAYBE WE COULD LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING ON A PILOT BASIS.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER, WHETHER, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT WOULD REFLECT THAT OR, UM, I, LIKE I SAID, I'M, I'M KIND OF GRASPING FOR STRAWS HERE, CHIEF.

AND YOU MAY SAY IT'S A BAD IDEA.

JUST TELL ME IF YOU THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA.

BUT I'M JUST ASKING MR. STRAWS IF, IF THAT KIND OF DATA IS, IS, UH, IS AVAILABLE.

IF NOT, THEN WE DON'T WANNA WASTE YOUR TIME AND YOUR STAFF'S TIME IN DOING THAT, UM, UH, WITH DOING THAT.

BUT BACK TO THE CRIME WATCH GROUPS, WE DON'T HELP THE ANSWER.

AND YOU SAID THAT THEY'RE, YOU'RE ALWAYS HEARING FROM THEM ABOUT THIS ISSUE TOO.

I'D BE INTERESTED IN YOUR NEXT WATER MEETING.

ASK THEM.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT SUGGESTION RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY HAVE COULD, DID, COULD YOU PERHAPS WITH THIS ON THE AGENDA? AND, AND I KNOW YOU HEAR FROM ALL COMPLAINTS, BUT IT WOULD, IT WAS, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ME TO HEAR, CUZ THEY'RE THE FOLKS WHO REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO COULD WE GET THAT INFORMATION AND BRING IT BACK TO US AND SHARES? THERE MAY BE SOME, SOME, SOME THINGS THERE.

BUT FROM EVERYTHING I HEARD TODAY, YOU KNOW, AND THE MARSHALS, THEY'RE ON OVERLOAD DEALING WITH THE PARKING ISSUE NOW.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, SEAN HAS ALREADY GROWN GRAY HAIRS AND FEW WEEKS HE'S, HE'S BEEN DOING THIS OVER THAT ISSUE.

SO I , HEY, YOU KNOW.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOU KNOW, AND HE, HE'S DELETED MY NUMBER FROM HIS CALL LOG SEVERAL TIMES CUZ HE SAID, I'M CALLING HIM ALL THE TIME.

BUT, BUT I'M JUST THINKING CHIEF COULD MAYBE AT ONE OF THE UPCOMING QUALITY MEETINGS, IF, IF THEY HAVE SOME, I, UH, THE CRIME WATCH LEADERS HAVE SOME IDEAS ON, ON HOW WE COULD, UH, APPROACH THAT.

BUT LIKE I SAID, MY MAIN CONCERN IS, I, I'M JUST NOT ONE FOR, FOR, I DON'T WANNA DUMP ANYTHING MORE.

I DON'T, I'M JUST ON YOUR DEPARTMENT.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE PRIORITIES THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT HAVE.

I WANT YOUR DEPARTMENT BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND THE MORE, MORE STUFF WE, WE SLIDE IN, UM, IT'S MORE CHALLENGING AND OUR RESOURCES ARE NOT MATCHING OUR DEMANDS.

SO, SO MAYBE WITH THE CRIME WEST GROUP, CAN YOU DO THAT? CAN WE DO THAT CHIEF? WE, WE CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT.

I CAN TELL YOU, AND I DON'T WANT TO, I KNOW I SELL THE NPOS A LOT, BUT THE NPOS ARE A CRITICAL PART OF THIS.

AND OUR, OUR CRIME WATCH COORDINATORS, WHAT WE, THE INFORMATION WE TRY TO GET OUT TO THEM IS JUST BECAUSE THE ISSUE MAY NOT BE SOLVED THAT NIGHT DOESN'T MEAN WE CANNOT FOLLOW UP.

AND SO, UM, LET US KNOW IF, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A RE ONE ONE NIGHT SOMEONE HAS A SMALL BIRTHDAY PARTY OR, OKAY.

BUT IF WE HAVE A A A PROBLEM LOCATION, WE CAN SICK THE NPOS ON.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT NIGHT.

AND THAT'S HOW WE HANDLE THAT ISSUE THROUGH OUR CRIME WATCH COORDINATORS

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IS TO KIND OF BE THAT AVENUE OF COMMUNICATION OF WHERE ARE THE REOCCURRING PROBLEM LOCATIONS.

BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY ENTERTAIN THAT DISCUSSION.

IF I WERE TO HEAT MAP THIS, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE ALL THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN THE CITY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANKS CHAIR.

I'M DONE.

UM, MAY I JUST ASK WHAT THE, JUST WHAT THE REPERCUSSIONS ARE FOR CHRONIC OFFENDERS, I GUESS, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP ON YOUR LIST, IF THEY'RE VISITED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIMES, LIKE WHAT'S THE, WHAT KIND OF FINES ARE THEY RECEIVING? UM, IT'S, IT'S MORE THE ATTENTION THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET.

AND SO IF WE HAVE AN ADDRESS THAT'S HAD FIVE OR MORE, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO, TO SIGN A TICKET, UH, AFTER THE FACT, WE CAN ISSUE 'EM A CITATION.

BUT AGAIN, WHEN YOU HAVE AN OFFICER, AND A LOT OF TIMES IT'S PARENTS ARE GONE ON THE WEEKENDS, KIDS ARE THROWING PARTIES, PARENTS DON'T EVEN KNOW THE KIDS ARE THROWING PARTIES, .

UM, BUT WHEN WE VISIT THEM THE NEXT DAY, WE'RE LETTING THEM KNOW WE'RE DONE.

THIS IS IT.

THERE'S NO MORE WARNINGS.

SUBSEQUENT VIOLATIONS OR AUTOMATIC TICKETS.

UM, AND NOT ONLY TICKETS FOR THIS, BUT TICKETS FOR ADDITIONAL, ANY OTHER VIOLATIONS WE SEE PARKING OR, AND WE'VE, WE'VE GONE TO THAT.

IN FACT, WE'VE HAD, WE HAD ONE PARTY LOCATION THAT WHEN WE HAD ENOUGH, IT WAS SHOWING UP AT NIGHT WITH TOW TRUCKS AND TOWING EVERY VEHICLE THAT WAS INCORRECTLY PARKED AND RIDING A BUNCH OF TICKETS.

IT'S VERY RARE.

WE HAVE TO GET TO THAT.

USUALLY, LIKE I SAID, NICE VISIT FROM A FRIENDLY POLICE OFFICER MM-HMM.

.

BUT THE BADGEING, A GUN AND UNIFORM, ESPECIALLY THE NEXT DAY SOLVES MOST OF THE ISSUES.

NOW, IT DOESN'T PREVENT IT, BUT IT SOLVES.

RIGHT.

SO, UM, THOSE USUALLY ON THAT LIST, THOSE PEOPLE WITH FIVE OR MORE VIOLATIONS OR I GUESS INSTANCES, THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT YOU, UM, THAT EVENTUALLY WILL START GETTING TICKETED.

YES.

WELL, THEY'RE GET, THEY CAN GET TICKETS AT NIGHT ONE.

OKAY.

I'M JUST SAYING ADDITIONAL ENFORCEMENT, AND THIS PROBABLY WON'T SURPRISE YOU, BUT THOSE SAME ADDRESSES, WE PROBABLY HAVE MORE PROBLEMS THAN JUST THE PARTIES.

JUST NOISE .

SURE.

I'M SURE THERE HAVE BEEN MANY INSTANCES WHERE A, AN OFFICER RESPONDED TO A NOISE, COMPLAINTANT FOUND OTHER, OTHER THINGS GOING ON THAT WERE SO, SO WE'LL ISSUE A, A TICKET ON NIGHT ONE, THE OFFICER'S DISCRETION, OR IF THE COMPLAINANT WILL SIGN THE CITATION.

SO IF THE COMPLAINANT WILL SIGN THE CITATION AS A COMPLAINT, WE'LL ISSUE A TICKET OR THE OFFICER WILL TYPICALLY GIVE A WARNING AND THEN WRITE A TICKET ON THE SECOND OR THIRD CALL.

SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO SAY, YES, PLEASE CONTACT ME AFTER YOU'VE GONE BY AND CHECKED OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.

WELL, THAT'S IMPORTANT.

AND THEY'RE WILLING TO, TO SIGN THE CITATION AS THE COMPLAINANT.

NOW, I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA SIGN THE CITATION IF YOU DON'T, BECAUSE THAT, THAT WAS A BIG DISCUSSION MITCH HAD WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LIKE FIVE YEARS AGO.

MM-HMM.

, WE STILL CAN ISSUE A CITATION.

SO IF YOU WANNA SAY, I DON'T WANNA BE CONTACTED, I DON'T WANT TO BE RETALIATED AGAINST, BUT THEN WE'RE LEAVING IT TO THE OFFICER DISCRETION.

HE'S USUALLY GONNA GIVE A WARNING.

HE MAY GIVE TWO WARNINGS, UH, BEFORE HE ISSUES A CITATION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I HAD A PROBLEM IN MY DISTRICT.

THE ON, ON EDGEWOOD, THIS LADY LIVED BY HERSELF, YOU KNOW, AND THE NEIGHBOR ON BACK SIDE, ON THE OTHER STREET HAD THIS LOUD MUSIC, YOU KNOW, AND SHE USED TO CALL ME.

I GAVE HER MY PHONE NUMBER AND SHE USED TO CALL ME ON THE WEEKEND, 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, 12 O'CLOCK.

BUT I, I WAS WORKING, SO I DIDN'T EVEN CARE.

I WAS UP, YOU KNOW, AND I TOOK THE CALL AND, YOU KNOW, AND I SAID, DID YOU SIGN THE CITATION? SHE SAID, NO.

I SAID, WHEN YOU START SIGNING THAT CITATION, THAT GUY'S GOING TO STOP DOING THAT.

YOU KNOW? RIGHT.

SO WHEN THAT LADY SIGNED THAT CITATION, THEY WENT OVER THERE AND TOLD THAT GUY, LOOK, 10 O'CLOCK YOU CAN HAVE MUSIC AND ALL THAT, BUT NOT LOUD MUSIC.

YOU KNOW? AND, AND THIS LADY WAS WORKING FOR PI, SHE WAS AN ENGINEER, .

AND, UH, SHE WAS TOUGH.

AND SHE WOULD GET THE SOUND, SEE HOW THEY NEED.

THAT'S DECIMALS.

YEAH.

RIGHT.

YEAH.

UH, WERE COMING IN AND ALL THAT.

AND THEN THEY NAILED THIS GUY, THE NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE, SHE, HE WAS DOING IT JUST FOR MEANNESS.

MM-HMM.

.

CAUSE SHE WAS BY HERSELF.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW? AND FINALLY WHEN THE POLICE WENT OVER THERE AND STARTED WRITING HIM TICKETS, THAT'S WHEN IT STOPPED.

RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, YOU SAY THEY GO

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FIRST AND GIVE 'EM, LIKE WE DO RIGHT NOW, TALK TO 'EM AND SAY TURN IT OFF.

BUT NOW THEY'RE, THE POLICE ARE GETTING SMARTER.

THE NPOS, THEY TELL 'EM, YOU LOCK THEM TO COME BACK AGAIN.

ALL OF YOU'RE GOING TO GET TICKETS.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S GOING TO DO ALL OF 'EM, BUT THAT'S WHAT HE'D TELL.

AND ALL OF YOU'ALL GOING TO GET TICKETS IF I HAD TO COME BACK LATER TONIGHT.

AND, UH, THEY DID THAT ONE TIME AND HE WROTE TWO PEOPLE, THE OWNERS OF THE HOUSE TICKETS, AND THEY WORKED.

THAT'S IT.

WELL, AND I, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION, UH, AND HOPEFULLY I DIDN'T THAT GETTING THE COMPLAINANT TO SIGN A CITATION IS THE BEST WAY.

I I DON'T WANT TO PUT THAT OUT.

UM, NO.

IT IS AN OPTION.

THAT IS AN OPTION THAT THE COMPLAINANT CAN SIGN THE CITATION.

THE COMPLAINANT CAN ALSO GO TO CITY COURT AND FILE A COMPLAINT.

THOSE ARE OPTIONS.

BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE CONTACTED.

UH, YOU CAN REMAIN ANONYMOUS.

YEAH.

AN OFFICER WILL COME OUT AND THE OFFICER'S LIKELY GOING TO GIVE A WARNING THE FIRST TIME, TELL 'EM TO TURN IT DOWN.

AND THEN SUBSEQUENT CALLS WOULD, WOULD FOLLOW UP WITH A CITATION.

UM, I KNOW MOST, MOSTLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOUSE NOISES, PARTY NOISES, MUSIC, WHATNOT.

UM, WHAT ABOUT VEHICLES? SO IF A NEIGHBOR HAS A, A, A VERY LOUD VEHICLE THAT IS FOUND TO BE OVER THE DECIBEL LIMIT, HOW DO DO WE HANDLE THAT? UM, SO YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VEHICLE ITSELF.

MM-HMM.

, IF IT PASSES INSPECTION, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE CHECK.

BUT IF THEY ARE CAUSING THEIR VEHICLE, AND I'D HAVE TO PULL UP THE ORDINANCE TO MAKE EXCESSIVE NOISE, THAT IS AN ORDINANCE VIOLATION.

BUT FOR US TO HEAR IT, I MEAN, FOR US TO WRITE A TICKET, WE'D HAVE TO HEAR IT WITHOUT THE COMPLAINANT.

AND, UM, SO I, I WOULDN'T EXPECT AN OFFICER'S GONNA SIT DOWN THE STREET, YOU KNOW, WAIT, WAIT.

IN CASE THAT CAR COMES BY TO SEE HOW LOUD IT IS.

UM, WE COULD VISIT, YOU KNOW, THE NPO COULD VISIT WITH THEM.

UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE CARS NOW THAT, THAT DRIVE ME CRAZY, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT IT BEFORE.

IS THIS POPPING? RIGHT.

POPPING CARS.

IF AN OFFICER HEARS THAT HE CAN WRITE A CITATION FOR THE NOISE ORDINANCE.

UM, BUT THE OFFICER, AND THAT'S WHETHER IT'S A HOUSE OR A VEHICLE OR ANY TYPE OF NOISE, IF THE COMPLAINANT IS NOT GOING TO SIGN THE CITATION, THE OFFICER HAS TO HEAR THE VIOLATION.

EX CHIEF, THERE'S, UH, ON THE MUFFLER, THERE'S SOME GUYS THAT MODERN, UH, THOSE MUFFLERS WHERE THEY CAN TURN OPEN IT UP RIGHT.

AND CLOSE IT UP FOR INSPECTION.

RIGHT.

THAT'S A, THAT'S A VIOLATION.

THAT'S IT.

IF THEY HAVE THAT ON THERE, THAT'S A VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCE.

OH, THEY HAVE THAT IF THEY HAVE, IT'S CALLED A CUTOUT.

YEAH, THE CUTOUT.

MM-HMM.

.

OH, OKAY.

IF THEY HAVE A CUTOUT ON THEIR VEHICLE, THAT'S A VIOLATION.

OKAY.

OKAY.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

YEAH, THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.

BUT, UM, SO WHAT DO Y'ALL, DO YOU HAVE ANY DECISION? BJ, DO YOU WANT NO, I DON'T.

WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? YOU YOUR I DON'T INPUT.

WELL, MY THING IS I DON'T HAVE NO, NO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A DECISION.

UM, BUT ASK CH THE ONLY THING RECOMMENDATION I HAVE, UH, ASK CHIEF TO GET FEEDBACK FROM HIS, UH, UH, CRIME LEADERS AND BRING THEM BACK TO US AND THEY HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS.

THAT'S THE ONLY RECOMMENDATION THAT I HAVE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE CHIEF AT TO MY NEXT TOWN HALL TO TALK ABOUT NOISE VIOLATIONS.

, I'M ALWAYS HAPPY TO , ALWAYS HAPPY TO DO THAT.

UH, I HAVE A QUESTION.

CHIEF, ONLY 97 CITATIONS PER YEAR ONLY CORRECT.

WITHOUT NOISES.

CORRECT.

AND THERE WE'RE HAVING SEEN 6,300.

THAT'S CORRECT.

FOR NOISES TOO.

YES.

THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL OF OUR NOISE RELATED CALLS.

YES.

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN FIND OUT IF THOSE HOUSES THAT ARE MAKING THOSE NOISES OR B, B AND BTRS? UH, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY WAY TO DO THAT.

NO.

WITHOUT MANUALLY GOING THROUGH.

NOW WHEN WE HAVE A, WE, WE TRACK THOSE DIFFERENTLY.

OKAY.

UM, AND WE TRACK THOSE FOR, FOR WHETHER IT'S NOISES OR PARTIES OR PARKING.

SO WE TRACK THAT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.

I DON'T THINK I CAN PULL OUT THIS DATA FROM, FROM THOSE DATABASES.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT.

NO, NO, NO.

I'M JUST, I'M JUST ASKING.

UH, I, I'LL SAY, I WAS THINKING SINCE WE GOT A LOT OF RENT HOUSES IN GARLAND ALL OVER THE

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CITY, I WAS WONDERING, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY RENT THOSE B, B B, YOU KNOW, RENTALS, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE MAKING, UH, NOISES LIKE THAT? YEAH, I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.

WE TRACK THOSE DIFFERENTLY.

OKAY.

AND WHEN IT'S A V R B O OR A RENTAL HOUSE MM-HMM.

, AND WE'RE HAVING REOCCURRING PROBLEMS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HEAR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'VE GOT SEVERAL THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH, UM, BUT WE TRACK THOSE DIFFERENTLY AND ADDRESS THOSE SEPARATELY, THE VRBO OS.

SO, UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE ANY, UM, LIKE STRICTER, UM, A STRICTER ORDINANCE ON MAYBE IF A, LIKE A MULTI, A MULTI OFFENDER, UM, RESIDENCE IS JUST COMING UP OVER AND OVER AGAIN? OR MAYBE FEWER THAN FIVE CALLS, LIKE AFTER THE SECOND CALL THAT WE HAVE TO COME OVER HERE FOR THIS? I DON'T KNOW IF, WOULD YOU, WELL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE A CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE AT ALL TO MAKE IT, MAKE THE VIOLATION A LITTLE MORE IMPACTFUL? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

UM, ONE, THE, THE, WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE, THE REOCCURRING OFFENSES, THAT'S WHEN WE PUSH IT OVER TO THE NPOS OF, HEY, HERE'S A PROBLEM, LOCATION.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE DO INTERNALLY.

MM-HMM.

, AS FAR AS THE ORDINANCE IS CONCERNED, NO, BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD FOR US WHEN YOU HAVE A SUBJECTIVE CRITERIA, YOU KNOW, WITH AN OBJECTIVE CRITERIA, IT'S EASY.

YOU STILL, SOMEONE'S WHATEVER ORNAMENT OUT OF THE FRONT YARD, THAT'S A THEFT.

BUT WHEN WE GET INTO A SUBJECTIVE CRITERIA, WHICH IS, HEY, I'M OFFENDED BY THE NOISE, AND THEN WE GET THERE AND IS, IS THIS UNREASONABLE, NOT UNREASONABLE? I THINK WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD BALANCE ON THAT NOW.

I THINK IF WE WERE TO LOOSEN THAT UP EVEN MORE, YOU WOULD GET TO THE POINT THAT ANY NOISE WOULD BE, COULD SUBJECTIVELY BE, UH, OFFENSIVE.

SO I THINK IT'S A PRETTY GOOD, UM, STANDARD NOW, UH, AGAIN, IT'S, FOR US, IT'S HOW DO I WANT TO PRIORITIZE MY RESOURCES AND, YOU KNOW, I COULD SOLVE THE NOISE PROBLEM PROBABLY PRETTY QUICKLY IF I PUT EVERY OFFICER TO ADDRESSING JUST THE NOISE PROBLEM.

UM, BUT I DON'T WANT TO OVEREMPHASIZE AT THE COST OF, OF PULLING FROM OTHER, PULLING FROM OTHER THINGS WE GOTTA RESPOND TO.

WE DON'T WANT YOU TO DO THAT EITHER, .

SO I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANY CHANGES.

I THINK IT'S A SUFFICIENT ORDINANCE.

OKAY.

SO, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THOSE NOISE CALLS ARE ON 4TH OF JULY, MEMORIAL WEEKEND, LABOR DAY, THE WEEKENDS.

RIGHT.

I'D SAY EVERY WEEKEND.

WEEKENDS, EVERY WEEKEND.

NOW, OF COURSE, J THOSE WEEKENDS THEY'RE GONNA BE TIMES THREE.

YEAH.

UH, BUT EVERY WEEKEND, YOU KNOW, WEEKENDS PEOPLE GET HOME, THEY GET OUTSIDE, THEY TURN THEIR MUSIC UP.

WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION? WHAT I SAID BEFORE, UH, THAT, THAT ASKED CHIEF TO GET FEEDBACK AT HIS QUARTERLY WITH THE, UH, COLONEL ESES, HE'S ANSWER COUNCIL LADY LUCK'S QUESTION.

UH, I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING, BUT SHE, SHE NAILED IT.

AND, UH, CHIEFS HAS GIVEN HIS OPINION ON ENLARGING IT OR TIGHTENING THE ORDINANCE.

AND SO I CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING THIS COMMITTEE TO PUSH ANYTHING THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD, UM, THAT WOULD DO THAT.

I THINK WE BRING IT BACK.

I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S BEING MANAGED.

IT WOULD BE, IF IT BECOMES A CRISIS, THEN WE ADDRESS IT THEN.

BUT, UH, WHEN CAN WE BRING IT BACK UP? WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE NEXT QUARTERLY MEETING IS.

UM, BUT IT, IT PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL MONTHS BEFORE I COULD BRING IT BACK AFTER I TALKED TO THE CRIME WATCH COORDINATOR'S GROUP.

OKAY.

IF, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY RECOMMENDATION I HAVE BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM AND FROM CHIEF.

GIVE ME A I DON'T, I CAN'T GIVE YOU A DATE.

I, I WOULD JUST NO, NO, NO.

I'D LIKE TO YOUR MOTION THAT, A MOTION, A MOTION THAT, UH, WE, UH, THROUGH, THROUGH, UH, CHIEF BRYAN THAT WE, UH, THAT WE, UH, SEEK FEEDBACK FROM THE, UH, CRIME WATCH GROUP LEADERSHIP, AND THAT AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME, CHIEF WILL BRING BACK THE FEEDBACK AND SHARED WITH THIS COMMITTEE.

SECOND.

OKAY.

YOU GOT FIRST AND SECOND.

ALL RIGHT.

HI.

HI.

SO WHEN DO YOU THINK I I'M LEAVING.

YOU'LL BE LONG GONE.

.

I'LL BE GOING OR IN MAY THE LAST SECOND WEEK, UH, SECOND MEETING IN MAY.

WELL, IN, UM, IF THE, IF THE COMMITTEE WILL ALLOW ME A LITTLE DISCRETION, I'LL, I'LL NOT JUST, UH, I'LL HIT UP THE TOWN HALL GROUPS WHEN WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS, I'LL ASK THEM AS WELL.

RIGHT.

UH,

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WE'LL ASK THE APARTMENT MANAGERS GROUP.

SO WE'LL GET A, A BIGGER KIND OF A SCOPE OF, OF FEEDBACK TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY SUGGESTIONS.

OKAY.

UM, IF I CAN GET IT BACK BEFORE MAY, I'LL DEFINITELY DO THAT.

BUT I'M NOT SURE WHEN THE NEXT CRIME WATCH COORDINATOR'S MEETING IS.

I CAN CHECK ON THAT.

OKAY.

WELL, IF I'M HERE OR I'M NOT HERE OH, AND YOU, UH, SO BEFORE MAY WE JUST BRING YOU BACK ? YEAH.

WE'LL JUST MAKE YOU, YOU JUST COME BACK.

I'D BE HERE TILL THEN.

IS THAT TO SOUND DONE? I BE, I'LL BE OUT HERE.

I'LL BE ON THE WORK SESSION ON THE SECOND WEEK IN MAY.

I'LL SAY THIS, IF, IF THEY'RE, IF WE'RE NOT MEETING, WE'LL PUT OUT A POLL TO 'EM RIGHT ABOUT THAT.

OKAY.

SO WE'LL PUT OUT A QUESTIONNAIRE TO 'EM, UH, ASK THEM.

AND SO WE'LL GET FEEDBACK, WE'LL GET, WE'LL GET BACK BEFORE MAY.

OKAY? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

AND MY RECOMMENDATION, I DON'T WANT TO GET THE MARSHALS INVOLVED BECAUSE HE'S GETTING SO MUCH TROUBLE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO WORK.

I THINK SEAN WILL SECOND THAT.

.

YEAH.

YEAH, MAN, I'M, YEAH, I CALLED SEAN.

I SAID I CALLED UH, JAY.

THEY SAID, I DON'T HAVE NOBODY TO COVER IT.

.

YEAH.

I SAID, OKAY, WE'LL WAIT.

OKAY.

SO, AND ALSO MOVED CLOSE PUBLIC.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.

YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? NO, SIR.

BJ MM-HMM.

I SAID 4 51 WE'RE ADJOURNED.

WOOHOO.