* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. TODAY, DID YOU GET THE [00:00:01] CALL TODAY FROM SOMEBODY WHO NEEDS, DID LUCY CALL YOU TODAY? QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FUTURE? ALL OF US. SO IT WAS ALL OF US, HUH? EXCEPT FOR JOHN, SHED YOU, SHE DIDN'T CALL YOU? NO. WELL, IF LUCY CALLS, SHE WANTS TO DONATE TO YOUR CAMPAIGN IN THE MAIL. THAT'S WHAT I TOLD HER. AND THEN SHE CALLED ME BACK AND ASK ME, I DON'T CARE IF THEY HAVE MY ADDRESS. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. I GET PLENTY OF JUNK MAIL. WHAT'S ANOTHER PIECE OF JUNK MAIL? THERE'S SOMETHING REALLY WEIRD ABOUT THAT, SO IT WAS OKAY. UM, COME ON. ALL RIGHT. TWO MINUTES. SOMEBODY SHOULD DO SOMETHING EXCITING. HELLO? REAL EXCITED ABOUT THE, WELL, I'D LIKE TO EXPLORE MAYBE SOME OTHER OPTIONS. THIS DEVELOPER OFFICE. YEAH. WHICH THING? I AGREE. AND I MAY REACH OUT TO HIM, TO CHRIS. I AGREE. UM, I HEARD MAYBE IT WAS YOU OR SOMEBODY WAS TELLING ME THAT MAYBE HE WAS SNIFFING AROUND ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. ANYWAY, HE WAS THAT'S RIGHT. SO THAT WAS YOU TELLING ME THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A COINCIDENCE OR, BUT HE SEEMED TO THINK IT WAS GREAT. WE MIGHT GET HIM A SLAM DUNK. AND I WAS LIKE, WE, THESE GUYS A GOOD CHECK. THAT WASN'T ME. I DIDN'T HAVE THE MUD ON MY SHOULDER. OKAY. WON'T BLAME YOU WHEN SOMEONE ASKED ME. YEAH, DON'T BLAME ME FOR THAT ONE. WHO'S MICHAEL ? HE'S OUT IN THE FIELD DOING INSPECTIONS. [Development Services Committee on March 20, 2023.] ALL RIGHT. FOUR O'CLOCK. READY? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THE MARCH 20TH, 2023 MEETING OF CITY OF GARLAND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMMITTEE. MYSELF, DYLAN HEDRICK, CHAIRMAN WITH ME, I HAVE MAYOR PRO TIM MORRIS AND COUNCILMAN BASS FROM DISTRICT ONE. OUR FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 20TH, 2023 MEETING. MOTION. YOU HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AND MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHT. FIRST ITEM FOR OUR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, PUBLIC COMMENTS, HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC, I DON'T SEE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK, BUT WE ALWAYS LIKE TO KEEP THAT ITEM ON THE ENGINE JUST IN CASE WE HAVE ANYBODY. ITEM TWO B THEN IS A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ZONING, ENGINEERING AND UTILITY PLANS. I SEE, UH, QUITE A FEW STAFF MEMBERS EAGER TO SPEAK, SPEAK HERE, AND LOOKS LIKE MR. GARRIN WANTS TO BE FIRST ON THE MIC. YES, SIR. WE GOT A FEW ON STANDBY OVER THERE TOO, IN CASE. ALL RIGHT, . ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMITTEE. UM, I'LL KIND OF, UH, JUMP, OH, I'M SORRY, ANDY, YOU WANT TO NO, NO, NO. I, THE ONLY THING I WAS GONNA DO IS JUST A QUICK, QUICK INTRO TO THE ITEM. UM, THIS IS KIND OF A, A NEW RECENT REQUEST FROM COUNCIL ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE. SO, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY INTERESTED TO SEE WHERE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS GO, AND WE'LL TAKE GOOD NOTES. UM, STAFF'S GOT SOME, SOME ITEMS PREPARED TO KIND OF GO THROUGH AT A HIGH LEVEL, IF ANY QUESTIONS CLEARLY ALL THE CORRECT STAFF IS HERE. UM, THE ONE THING I WOULD ADD IS I THINK THAT THE TIMING IS, UH, FORTUITOUS, UH, KNOWING THAT, UH, AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE LATER TONIGHT THE PRESENTATION, THE FINAL, UH, FINDINGS OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN. I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A, A PERFECT TIMING FOR US TO KIND OF REEVALUATE WHERE WE ARE AND HOW TO GO FORWARD. SO WITH THAT WILL, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, ANNIE. ALSO, I'LL KIND OF JUMP, UH, RIGHT INTO IT AND TALK ABOUT KIND OF FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S, UH, STANDPOINT, WHAT, UH, KIND OF THE ZONING APPLICATION REQUIREMENT AND INTAKE, UH, LOOKS LIKE. THEN I'LL HAND IT OVER TO MICHAEL TO TALK MORE IN DETAIL ABOUT THE ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS, UM, AS THE, UH, THE GEN ITEM NOTES. BUT, UH, JUST THE GENERAL HIGH LEVEL INTAKE PROCESS WHEN IT COMES TO NO, UH, NEW ZONING CASES, ZONING APPLICATIONS. OF COURSE, WE HAVE APPLICANTS SCHEDULE, WHAT WE CALL A PRE-FILING APPOINTMENT WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT'S ACTUALLY VIRTUAL. SO IT'S BASICALLY JUST A TIME, UH, SET DATE WHERE THEY CAN UPLOAD THE APPLICATION AND ALL THE MATERIALS, THE FEE PAYMENT, COORDINATE WITH THAT, THAT WITH STAFF. UM, AND, UH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE INTAKE THAT APPLICATIONS. WE HAVE PRESET DATES BASED ON THE CALENDAR, BASED ON, OF COURSE, WHEN THE PLAN COMMISSION DATE AND COUNCIL DATES ARE. UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE APPLICA APPLICANT WILL UPLOAD THE APPLICATION MATERIALS AND PROVIDE, UH, THE FEE PAYMENT STAFFER WILL VIEW, UH, THAT SUBMITTAL FOR COMPLETENESS. UM, IF IT IS COMPLETE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UM, ACCEPT THE APPLICATION AND THE PAYMENT AND OFFICIALLY GET THE PROCESS STARTED. OF COURSE, WE DO HAVE THE PRE-FILING VERSUS THE 30 DAY PROCESS, WHICH Y'ALL PROBABLY PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH. UM, NOT GONNA GO TOO MUCH INTO DETAIL ON THAT, BUT WE'LL JUST KIND OF ASSUME [00:05:01] FOR THIS SAKE. IT'S MAINLY THE, KINDA THE PRE-FILING PROCESS WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE, WHICH 99% OF APPLICANTS, UM, DO AND PARTICIPATE IN ANY WAY, GIVES US A CHANCE TO DO A REAL REVIEW AND MAKE SURE IT'S TRULY READY AND TECHNICALLY COMPLETE BY THE TIME IT GOES TO PLAIN COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL. SO THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT ZONING APPLICATION TYPES THAT WE HAVE. OF COURSE, I'LL JUST START WITH THE, KIND OF THE EASIER ONE, SO TO SPEAK. THE STRAIGHT ZONING, UH, CASES. THIS DOES NOT INVOLVE, UH, REALLY MUCH IN THE WAY OF, OF ENGINEERING DRAWINGS AND SITE PLANS AND THE LIKE. THIS IS, UH, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, UM, WHERE AN APPLICANT IS JUST WISHING TO REZONE A PIECE OF LAND, SAY FROM SF SEVEN TO COMMUNITY RETAIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN THEY AGREE TO MEET ALL G D C REQUIREMENTS, UH, WHEN THEY COME FORWARD THROUGH PERMITTING, UH, WHICH OF COURSE IS JUST WORKING ADMINISTRATIVELY WITH STAFF. SO THAT REQUIRES, OF COURSE, PUBLIC HEARING, APPLICATION ACKNOWLEDGEMENT SHEET. THAT'S JUST THE GETTING THE PROPER SIGNATURES FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, OR PROPERTY OWNER. UM, SCHEMATIC ENGINEERING DRAWINGS. THAT'S TYPICALLY NOT REQUIRED WITH STRAIGHT UH, ZONING CASES. SO, UM, DISREGARD THAT. BUT LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF THE, THE LAND, UH, WRITTEN DESCRIPTION OF THE REQUEST, JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND REASON FOR THE REZONING, UM, JUST GIVES US A LITTLE BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF IT AND HELPS, HELPS, UM, HELPS US HELP THEM. IN OTHER WORDS, UM, OF COURSE A SURVEY, STRAIGHT ZONING. THIS IS ESPECIALLY, UH, IMPORTANT. UM, MAKING SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE ON WHERE IT IS. UH, SO A SURVEY, WE ASK FOR THAT, OR AT LEAST A VERY GOOD GOOGLE AERIAL WITH THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES DELINEATED AGAIN WITH THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION, OF COURSE, UH, TAX RECORD, UM, MAKING SURE THEY'RE UP ON THEIR TAXES. THAT ACTUALLY IS A G REQUIREMENT, THAT ZONING APPLICATIONS BEFORE THEY PROCEED TO PLAN COMMISSION, THEY NEED TO BE PAID UP ON THEIR CITY, UM, TAXES AND OF COURSE THE FEE PAYMENT. UM, BUT THEN WHEN YOU GET INTO, UH, PDS WITH, UH, DETAIL PLANS, AND THIS INCLUDES, UM, SUVS AS WELL. SO IT'S REALLY THE SAME SLIDE. UM, CUZ WITH SUVS REGARDING, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, THAT DOES INVOLVE SITE PLANS. SO IT'S THE REALLY THE SAME TYPE OF REQUIREMENT WHENEVER A SITE PLAN NEW CONSTRUCTION IS INVOLVED. SO I'LL KIND OF TALK ABOUT REALLY BOTH, BUT THAT'S A LITTLE MORE INVOLVED. OF COURSE, IT, IT REQUIRES ALL THE SAME, UM, REQUIREMENTS I JUST MENTIONED, UM, IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE FOR A STRAIGHT ZONING CASE. BUT THE, UM, THE MAIN, UM, DIFFERENCE OF COURSE IS, UH, SCHEMATIC ENGINEERING DRAWINGS ARE REQUIRED, UM, BY, BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. THOSE HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED. THOSE, THOSE CAN BE SUBMITTED DIRECTLY TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED BY THE TIME THE ZONING APPLICATION COMES TO PLANNING. UM, SO THAT'S ONE OF OUR CHECKLISTS. WE MAKE SURE THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO ENGINEERING IF BEFORE WE ACCEPT A ZONING APPLICATION AND GET THAT PROCESS STARTED. CAUSE THAT'S THE MAIN THING ENGINEERING IS, IS LOOKING AT. AND THEN OF COURSE, THE SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN AND BUILDING ELEVATIONS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. WE DO REQUIRE THAT. AND THAT COMES FORWARD AND IS PRESENTED TO YOU ALL AND THE PLAN COMMISSION ONCE IT'S READY TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. SO MUCH MORE DETAILED, UM, UH, PROCESS, UM, MORE FRONT LOADED IF YOU WILL. CAUSE IT'S A LOT OF DETAIL, UH, DETAILED REVIEW AND, AND SUBMITTALS BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND STAFF KIND OF ON THE FRONT END IN THE ZONING PROCESS. AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE STILL DOING SOME PRETTY DETAILED PERMIT, UM, SUBMITTAL IN ON THE BACK END. UM, BUT, UM, PART OF THE BENEFIT, I GUESS, OF THE FRONT LOADED PROCESS PROCESSES. UM, MUCH OF THE PERMIT REVIEW, AT LEAST FROM PLANNING, IS KIND OF MAKING SURE IT MATCHES WHAT, WHAT COUNCIL APPROVED AND KIND OF WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY, UM, REVIEWED AND, AND UM, MOVED FORWARD WITH. SO, UM, REALLY WITH THAT, I'LL KIND OF HAND IT OVER TO MICHAEL TO TALK MORE IN DETAIL ABOUT ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS. SO GOOD AFTERNOON, UM, AS WILL WAS INDICATING HE KEPT RE REFERRING TO THE SCHEMATIC ENGINEERING DRAWINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, WITH DETAILED PLAN OR AN S U AND A SCHEMATIC. ENGINEERING DRAWINGS ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE ZONING APPLICATION THAT CONTAINS THE LAYOUT, THE OR ZONING SITE PLAN. UH, THE, THE DRAWINGS ARE ALSO NEEDED TO PROVE OUT THAT THE ZONING PLAN CAN FUNCTION AS SHOWN FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, WHETHER IT'S WATER, WASTEWATER, UH, DRAINAGE, UM, TRANSPORTATION EVEN, AND EVEN FIRE. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT ALL WILL CONFORM AND WORK TO THAT SITE. UH, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ON THIS IS THAT WHAT'S LEFT IN GARLAND AS FAR AS UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES ARE THERE FOR A REASON. THEY'RE USUALLY MET WITH SOME CHALLENGES, WHETHER IT'S TOPOGRAPHIC CHALLENGES, FLOODPLAIN CHALLENGES, THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE'S A REASON THAT THEY'VE BEEN LEFT UNDEVELOPED MOST OF THESE YEARS. UM, SOME OF THEM MAYBE NOT SO MUCH, THEY'RE JUST OLD FAMILY LAND THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T WANNA GET RID OF, BUT IN SOME, IN MOST CASES THEY ARE, HAVE SOME FACED WITH SOME CHALLENGES. SO, BUT THE SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS, UM, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ME TALK ABOUT IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES. ENGINEERING FIRST SUBMITTAL FORM, AND YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR HANDOUT. IT'S THE FIRST PAGE OF YOUR HANDOUT. IT'S THE ENGINEERING [00:10:01] FIRST SUBMITTAL FORM. AND ON HERE GIVES YOU THE SCHEMATIC ENGINEERING PLAN REQUIREMENTS. AND THAT'S, UM, EXISTING PROPOSED DRAINAGE AREA MAP SCHEMATIC, UTILITY LAYOUT, AS WELL AS ANY APPLICABLE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT. IF, IF IT'S APPLICABLE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT, FLOOD STUDY, UM, WASTEWATER CAPACITY STUDIES. UM, ALSO TRA UH, TRAFFIC, UM, IMPACT ANALYSIS IF THAT'S REQUIRED. SO THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE WITH THE SCHEMATIC ENGINEERING DRAWINGS. NOW, WHEN YOU MOVE INTO WHAT WAS ALSO REQUESTED, UH, THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION PLANS OF THE SITE ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS CONSTRUCTION PLANS, THESE ARE A LITTLE MORE DETAILED. UM, WE'RE NEEDING, UH, ANY WORK OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING CONNECTING TO OUR PUBLIC UTILITY SYSTEMS OR HAVING A LAND DISTURBANCE OF ONE ACRE OR MORE IS WHAT THE REQUIREMENT FOR THESE PLANS ARE. SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS, AGAIN, THE ENGINEERING, UH, SUBMITTAL FORM, FIRST SUBMITTAL FORM INCLUDES IN THAT SECOND PORTION OF IT, THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THE SITE PERMIT, UM, KIND OF TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE THERE. AND IT'S A LITTLE MORE, UH, INVOLVED WITH THE CHECKLIST AND THAT FULL CONSTRUCTION PLANS FROM EVERYTHING OUTSIDE THE, THE BUILDING IF PLATING IS INVOLVED, WE NEED A WORKING PLANT. UM, THAT'LL BE A COMPONENT OF THE PLANS, IMPERVIOUS AREA STATUS SHEET, UM, FOR, UH, TO GO ALONG WITH THE CONSTRUCTION SITE NOTICE AS WELL AS THE COST ESTIMATE OF THE PUBLIC WORKS IMPROVEMENTS SO THAT WE CAN ASSESS THE ENGINEERING REVIEW AND INSPECTION FEE. AND ON, UH, THE SNIPPET TO THE RIGHT IS BASICALLY A QUICK CHECKLIST OF WHAT'S REQUIRED IN ALMOST EVERY SUBMITTAL. AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE FIRST SUBMITTAL SHEET, THERE'S, THERE'S ACTUALLY ADDITIONAL, UM, ITEMS. THOSE ADDITIONAL ITEMS CAN INCLUDE LICENSE AGREEMENT, REAL PROPERTY IMPROVEMENT AUTHORIZATION, IF THEY HAVE ANY PORTION OF A PRIVATE UTILITY, LET'S SAY IT'S AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM, LANDSCAPING, THAT TYPE OF THING, THAT MAY BE ENCROACHING INTO THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY OR WITHIN A PUBLIC EASEMENT. AND THEN THERE MIGHT BE, AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT A DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT OR FLOOD STUDY. IF THERE'S A FLOODPLAIN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROPERTY, THEY, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A FLOOD STUDY, ANY GEOTECH GEOTECHNICAL REPORT OF ANY PUBLIC ROADWAYS. THIS WOULD MAINLY APPLY TO RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTING STREETS. UH, WE MAKE SURE THAT ALL COMPACTION IS PERFORMED ON THESE PUBLIC RIGHT RIGHTS OF WAY AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING GOES IN ACCORDING WITH OUR STANDARDS, UH, DETENTION POND. IF DETENTION IS REQUIRED, THERE MAY BE AN OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE MANUAL REQUIRED OFFSITE PERMISSION LETTERS, OFFSITE EASEMENTS AND ABANDONMENT DOCUMENTS FOR ANY EXTENSIONS OF PUBLIC FACILITIES SUCH AS WATER WASTEWATER LINES OR DRAINAGE LINES. AND THEN THE COMMENT RESPONSE FORMS WHEN RESUBMITTING. AND FINALLY, AS FAR AS THE WORKING PLAT SUBMITTAL, UM, THAT'S PAGE TWO AND THREE ON YOUR, ON THE LIST THAT YOU'VE BEEN PROVIDED. AS, AS FAR AS THE CHECKLIST, UM, THE SUBMITTALS THAT ARE MADE ELEC, ALL THESE SUBMITTALS ARE MADE ELECTRONICALLY, WHETHER BY EMAIL OR THROUGH AN FTP SITE, AND WE'RE REVIEWING THE PLANS ELECTRONICALLY AND SUBMITTING THEM BACK. AND, UM, BUT AS FAR AS AS THE PLAN SUBMITTAL FOR WORKING PLA AGAIN, WE HAD THE FIRST ENGINEERING, UM, ENGINEERING FIRST SUBMITTAL FORM. THERE'S THE PLAT CHECKLIST AS WELL AS, UH, THE PLAT CHECKLIST AND THE, AND THE SURVEY EXISTING IMPROVEMENT SURVEY. THAT'S ALL GOVERNED BY OUR SURVEY GROUP AND THEIR REQUIREMENTS. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, UH, BOUNDARY CLOSURE STATEMENT, TITLE COMMITMENT, PROVING THAT THEY ACTUALLY OWNED THE PROPERTY AND, UH, REQUEST, BUT FOR MONUMENTATION VERIFICATION LETTER, THAT GOES BACK TO OUR SURVEYING REQUIREMENTS AND ANY KIND OF FRANCHISE UTILITY UTILITY NOTIFICATION LETTERS. SO I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THESE SLIDES AND WHAT WILL HAS PRESENTED AND WHAT I'VE PRESENTED, AND THAT'S A VERY HIGH LEVEL. AND WITH THAT, UNLESS HE HAS WILL, HAS ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, WE'LL ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS. ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A FEW, BUT I'LL LET YOU GUYS GO FORWARD. . YEAH, AND I'M GONNA DEFER TO YOU FOR MOST QUESTIONS ON THIS. I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY THE MOST FAMILIAR WITH IT. BUT, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD ASK HOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE LIKE, LIKE OUR CHARTS AND OUR SPREADSHEETS, I WOULD LIKE ASK HOW THESE COMPARE TO OTHER CITIES. AND ALSO, UM, WHEN WE MEET AGAIN ABOUT, ABOUT THIS, I'D LIKE IF WE COULD HAVE, UH, A DEVELOPER'S POINT OF VIEW AS WELL. CAUSE I THINK THEY, THAT COULD, UH, REALLY BENEFIT US ON STEERING US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THAT'S ALL GOOD. THANK YOU. ANY, ANY THOUGHTS IN PRIMARY THOUGHT? INITIAL THOUGHTS? I'M ACTUALLY HAVING HICCUPS. I'M AFRAID TO TALK BOO. YEAH. THANKS. UM, [00:15:01] YEAH, MY, THE MAIN THING THAT I HAVE HEARD REPEATEDLY FROM PEOPLE COMING HERE AND TRYING TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND, AND IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE TRUE, BUT TO JEFF'S POINT, THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, GARLAND IS ONE OF THE HARDEST CITIES TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH. I HEAR THAT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE. SO YEAH, TO HIS POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW OUR PROCESS SYNCS UP WITH OTHER CITIES WHERE I, WHERE IT'S, UH, MORE DIFFICULT, WHERE IT'S, UH, TOO EASY. UM, YEAH. AND I, I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT HAVING, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS ARE MANY SHAPES AND SIZES MM-HMM. . SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO PULL ONE OUT AT THE HAT AND, AND TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS YOUR EXPERIENCE? BUT I KNOW I HAD TALKED TO JUDD BEFORE ABOUT ACTUALLY REACHING OUT AND DOING SURVEYS ABOUT THIS PROCESS WITH PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES OR, OR DEVELOPERS WHO HAD, UH, ENGAGED WITH US IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS TO SAY BASICALLY, WHAT WAS YOUR EXPERIENCE? UM, AND SO ESSENTIALLY I WOULD, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING HOW WE COMPARE. SAME THING. SO, OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. I THINK THAT'S ALL GREAT CUZ I, I, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH ABOUT BRINGING DEVELOPERS IN. I'M INVOLVED IN PROJECTS IN TULSA RIGHT NOW AND THEY'RE HAVING A DEVELOPER'S ROUND TABLE. THEY'RE BRINGING DEVELOPERS IN AND THEY'RE HAVING MEETINGS WITH, UH, CITY STAFF AND THE DEVELOPERS TO GET TO ASK THEM DIRECTLY EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING AND, AND ME BEING ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE IS, WELL, I SEE THAT YES, GARLAND DOES HAVE MORE OWNER'S REQUIREMENTS THAN SOME OF 'EM, BUT I'M GONNA START BACK FIRST ON THE CITY WEBPAGE. ALL THOSE THAT YOU SHOWED UP THERE, ALL THE REQUIREMENTS. I WOULD LOVE FOR THEM TO BE SOMEWHERE SO THAT PEOPLE COME INTO OUR CITY WHO ARE NEW, HAVE THEM. AND IT'S PROMINENT RIGHT NOW ON OUR WEBPAGE. IF YOU LOOK AT IT SAYS WE NEED TO SUBMIT HARD COVER, HARD COPIES OF DRAWINGS. UH, IF YOU GO TO THE ENGINEERING WEBSITE, IT SAYS 24 FOOT BY 36 FOOT PAPER, WHICH WHAT? . OKAY. IT DOES SAY THAT. I'M LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW. SO I KNOW THAT'S, THAT'S AN ERROR. IT SHOULD BE INCHES, BUT IT, IT'S JUST FORMS ARE OLD. THERE'S FORMS THAT ARE DECADE OLD WITH STAFF MEMBERS WHO ARE NO LONGER HERE. IT'S, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT COMPREHENSIVELY TO MAKE SURE ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU JUST PRESENTED ARE CURRENT ON OUR WEBPAGE AND MAKES IT EASIER FOR DEVELOPER. CUZ I'VE HAD TO GO IN AS AN ENGINEER AND DO A, UH, PRELIMINARY, UM, DEVELOPMENT REPORT FOR DEVELOPERS JUST TO SEE WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE AND JUST SOMETHING LIKE THAT THEY COULD JUST PULL ALL THAT INFORMATION DIRECTLY WOULD BE A HUGE HELP. YOU MENTIONED ALL THESE, THE SCHEMATIC ENGINEERING SUBMITTAL AND WHAT IS NEEDED FOR THE ZONING CHANGE CASES. AND THE BIG QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO, TO KNOW IS WHAT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY CUZ WE SAY SCHEMATIC, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE UTILITIES, WATER, SEWER GRADING, DRAINAGE, ALL THAT WORKS, IT'S HARD TO DO THAT ON A SCHEMATIC LEVEL AND THEN PROVE THE END THAT IT STILL WORKS. YOU GOTTA PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO ENGINEERING UP FRONT TO EVEN SEE THAT. SO MY QUESTION IS, HOW MUCH OF THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY AND HOW MUCH DO WE WANNA PUT ON THE DEVELOPER IF THEY COME AT US WITH A PLAN AND SAY, WE'RE TRUSTING YOU TO MAKE THIS WORK. WE STILL NEEDS TO GO THROUGH ENGINEERING AND YOU MIGHT HAVE TO CHANGE SOMETHING IN, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND AS MUCH MONEY UPFRONT SO THAT THEY'RE NOT, IF THEIR ZONING CASE GETS DENIED, THEY'RE NOT IN THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AT UPFRONT TO MAKE IT PROVE OUT. SO THAT, THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE MAIN POINT I WANNA SEE OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION IS, UH, I THINK WE CAN ENCOURAGE MORE DEVELOPERS TO COME AT US IF WE'RE NOT SO OWNERS ON THE FRONT END TO MAKE IT PROVE UP TO WORK, PUT THE BURDEN ON THEM. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE TO COME BACK AND IF THE SITE PLAN CHANGES OR THEY NEED BIGGER AREA FOR DETENTION OR BUILDINGS HAVE TO MOVE OR THEY LOSE A BUILDING BECAUSE OF THAT, THEN YES, THEY CAN COME BACK TO US AT THAT POINT. I THINK THAT'S A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE FOR DEVELOPERS THAN TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES. IT'S JUST A RISK THAT THEY HAVE TO ASSESS ON THEIR OWN. UM, THAT'S KIND OF A FEW OF MY, MY EARLY THOUGHTS AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO SAY. THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT, THAT LAST POINT YOU MADE. IT'S A GREAT POINT. SOMETHING WE'VE DISCUSSED INTERNALLY AS WELL, JUST KIND OF SCALING BACK THE AMOUNT OF DETAIL AND THE PLANS AND THE SCHEMATICS, UM, WHICH IS VERY DOABLE. IT'S JUST KIND OF THE TRADE OFF IS JUST MM-HMM. PUTS A LITTLE MORE RISK ON THE DEVELOPER, REALLY JUST MAKE SURE YOU, YOU CAN PROVE THIS OUT IN PERMITTING, RIGHT? THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL RISK OF HAVING TO EITHER GO BACK TO THE PROCESS OR WE EVALUATE WHETHER IT'S KIND A MAJOR MINOR DEVIATION MM-HMM. IN THE SITE PLAN. BUT IF THAT'S CLEAR UP FRONT, UM, I MEAN THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT TOO, IS WHAT CONSTITUTES A MAJOR OR MINOR DEVIATION. IF THEY'RE COMING AT US WITH A LARGE MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT, WELL THEY HAVE TO ELIMINATE A WHOLE APARTMENT BUILDING BECAUSE OF THEIR POND NEEDS TO BE A BIGGER, FOR INSTANCE, IS THAT A MAJOR MINOR CHANGE TO THE SITE PLAN, THE INTENT? IS THERE STILL THE SAME USAGE, STILL THE SAME, JUST THE PIECES MAY SLIDE AROUND OR, OR CHANGE A LITTLE BIT. AND THAT ALL DEPENDS ON THE DEVELOPER TOO WITH WHAT THEY'VE, [00:20:01] AS THEIR MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS THAT THEY WERE GONNA HAVE IN THERE TO MAKE IT WORTH BUILDING. JUST WHAT YOU SAID, IF THEY'VE GOTTA GIVE UP A BUILDING FOR A A DETENTION POND, COULD THAT HAVE BEEN PREVENTED UP FRONT TOO? SO I, THERE, THERE WAS A TRADE OFF THERE KNOWING THAT AHEAD OF TIME IF, IF DETENTION'S REQUIRED, WELL THAT'S THE QUESTION. IS IT OUR JOB TO PROVE THAT TO THEM? WELL THERE, THEY WOULD BE PROVING TO US WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD FIT ON THAT SITE. IF, IF IT DOESN'T FIT ON THE SITE, THEN BECAUSE OF OUR REQUIREMENTS OF DETENTION OR SOME OTHER FACILITY THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN THAT AREA, WHETHER IT'S, OR MAYBE OUR FLOODPLAIN, UM, REQUIREMENTS OR VARY A LITTLE BIT FROM ANOTHER CITY THAT, THAT WE REQUIRE, THAT MAY PREVENT THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY LIKE THEY WANT TO. THEN I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT KNOWING THIS UP FRONT, I IT'S, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE I GUESS MM-HMM. . YEAH. AND, AND AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT BEFORE THEY GET TO A DETAILED DESIGN. RIGHT? EXACTLY. I MEAN, AND ZONING IS ONE THING, BUT PART OF ZONING IS WILL IT WORK ON THAT SITE? OH, OH, I COMPLETELY AGREE. YEAH. AND IF, IF, I MEAN THE DEVELOPERS SHOULD WANT TO SPEND SOME MONEY EARLY IN THE SCHEMATIC, RIGHT? AND IF THEY GET A GOOD ENGINEER WHO CAN, THEY RELATIVELY KNOW, WELL YOUR POND'S GONNA BE 20% OF YOUR SITE OR YOU KNOW, YOUR FLOW ON YOUR UPHILL FROM YOUR SEWER, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO USE SOME, THEY CAN'T FLOW UPHILL, SO THEY SHOULD TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT IF THEY'RE A GOOD DEVELOPER UP FRONT. SO I'D, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S THEIR RISK IF THEY DON'T RUN THE PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION ON THEIR SITE THOUGH. SO IF I COULD CHIME IN A MINUTE, AND I'M GONNA TOTALLY PLAY THE NEW GUY CARD HERE FOR A SECOND, . UM, BUT I THINK THE, THE BENEFIT IS, IS IN THIS SHORT TIME IN THIS ROLE, I, I'VE, I'VE BEEN THE, THE, UH, RECIPIENT OF LOTS OF FEEDBACK. SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS, UM, FROM WHAT I'VE LEARNED FROM, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME THAT STAFF HAS SPENT EDUCATING ME ON THIS PROCESS, I THINK AT SOME POINT THE GUIDANCE WILL HELP US WHEN WE GO THROUGH THIS EVALUATION PROCESS IS WHAT LEVEL OF INFORMATION DOES COUNCIL NEED AT WHAT POINT? SO, UH, HISTORICALLY A LOT OF THIS PROCESS HAS DRIVEN OVER THE COMFORT LEVEL THAT COUNCIL HAS IN THE PAST YEARS, MANY PAST YEARS THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS A VERY MATURE PROCESS, WHAT'S THAT LEVEL? AND SO THAT WOULD HELP US A LITTLE BIT OF GAUGING WHERE, OKAY, IF WE'RE GONNA REEVALUATE WHAT DUTIES GO WHERE AND WHAT STEPS AND COMPARE OURSELVES TO OTHER CITIES, UH, THE ONE THING THAT'S UNIQUE IS EACH CITY'S COUNCILS. AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IN, IN, IN LOOKING AT THAT, WE'RE NOT PULLING THINGS AWAY FROM WHAT COUNCIL EXPECTS TO SEE ON THE FRONT END, OR IS THERE A SUBSTITUTE OR A DIFFERENT WAY OF SHOWING IT OR SOMETHING THAT A DEVELOPER OR APPLICANT CAN, CAN PROVE UP ON THE FRONT END FROM WHAT I'M HEARING WITHOUT THE INVESTMENT, SO MUCH INVESTMENT ON THE FRONT END. YEAH. I MEAN, IN THE ZONING PROCESS, AND THERE'S COMMON THINGS THAT WE ASK EVERY TIME A A SOMETHING COMES UP, WE ALWAYS ASK, HAVE YOU DONE TRAFFIC STUDY? THANKS. WE CARE ABOUT TRAFFIC. AND, AND YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY HAVEN'T, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT REQUIRED AND SOME SAY, SAY HAVEN'T AT ALL. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S USEFUL. IT'S EXPENSIVE THOUGH. TRAFFIC CITY CAN BE 20,000, $30,000 AT THE SAME TIME. SO IT'S, UH, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEIR COUNCILORS NECESSARILY WHAT THEY WANNA SEE EVERY TIME, BUT I, I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY IN THESE INCIDENTS TO HAVE TO EVEN GET TO THE ZONING POINT AND LIKE I SAID, MAYBE ON THE BACK END HAVE SOME CHANGES. YEP. UM, ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT ANDY WAS TALKING ABOUT AND, UM, AND SOMEBODY CORRECT ME IF THIS IS THE WRONG PLACE, BUT, UM, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT AS FAR AS WHAT, WHAT COMES BEFORE COUNCIL, UM, DETAIL PLANS, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY, WHY DETAIL PLANS COME BEFORE US AT ALL. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A COUNCIL DECISION IN THE PAST, BUT I JUST, I MEAN IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE ANY, WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT 'EM AND WE WON'T, WE DON'T, WE, YOU KNOW, IF IT MEETS, IF THE DETAIL PLAN IS CORRECT, THEN IT'S CORRECT. THEN THERE'S, I, I DON'T KNOW. I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE US NOT EVEN REVIEW DETAIL PLANS. AND I KNOW THAT PLENTY OF OTHER CITIES DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT JUST GOES TO STAFF OR PLANNING COMMITTEE. AND SO I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE US TO LOOK AT THAT AS WELL. YEAH. WILL'S THERE, LEGAL REQUIREMENT WHERE OUR DETAILED PLAN COMES, IT, IT'S A GC REQUIREMENT. YEAH. IT ACTUALLY IS A, A VERY DETAILED PROCESS MM-HMM. THAT'S OUTLINED IN THE G SO THAT, THAT WOULD NEED A G CHANGE. UM, BUT NO, IT, IT, IT, IT IS A LOCAL DECISION ABSOLUTELY. THAT THE COUNCIL COULD MAKE. UM, TO, UH, NOW DETAIL PLANS, OF COURSE ARE ASSOCIATED WITH PDS, RIGHT? PLAN DEVELOPMENTS, WHICH ARE USUALLY IN MOST CASES, UM, TRIGGERED BY SOME TYPE OF FLEXIBILITY OR DEVIATION THE DEVELOPER'S REQUESTING. AND WE KIND OF TRY ON OUR PRESENTATIONS TO FOCUS THE COUNCIL ON THE DEVIATIONS WITH THE KIND OF TRIGGERING [00:25:01] THE REQUEST. AND, UM, OFTENTIMES OTHERWISE THE SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN, BUILDING ELEVATION SLIDES, IT'S JUST KIND OF, WELL, IT MEETS TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS MEETS THE G, WHICH OF COURSE WE REVIEWED IT AND CONFIRMED. UM, BUT PERHAPS, YEAH, IF, IF THERE'S A COUNCIL DESIRE TO NOT REALLY HAVE THAT IF IT MEETS OR IF THE DEVELOPER AGREES TO MEET TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS AND THE FOCUS OF A, UM, A PD APPLICATION IS JUST WHAT THE DEVIATIONS ARE. AND THAT'S REALLY THE FOCUS OF WHAT STAFF AND THE COUNCIL REVIEW AND THE, THE ONUS IS ON THE DEVELOPER TO, UM, GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND GO THROUGH PERMITTING AND JUST MAKE SURE THEY MEET ALL TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS AT THAT, THAT TIME. UM, YEAH, THAT'S AN OPTION. UH, OFTENTIMES A LOT OF OTHER CITIES, UM, AND AGAIN, WE'LL NEED TO KIND OF DO A LITTLE SURVEY AND A LITTLE RESEARCH, BUT I KNOW IN MY PAST EXPERIENCE, UM, UH, PD REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A DETAIL PLAN. YOU KIND OF FOCUS ON WHATEVER THE DEVIATIONS ARE AND THERE MAY BE A CONCEPT PLAN OF SORTS. WE KIND OF GOT RID OF THAT A FEW YEARS BACK IF YOU, AS YOU MAY RECALL WITH THE NEW STATE LAW SHOT CLOCK REQUIREMENT. BUT THERE MAY BE SOMETHING SORT OF CONCEPTUALLY, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S MORE JUST KIND OF A GENERAL GUIDE. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A LEGAL BINDING, UH, PLAN, SO TO SPEAK. BUT, UM, YEAH, IT'S JUST EACH CITY DOES IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD EXPLORE. WE OFTENTIMES LOVE TO SEE A PLAN WITH A PD OR ELSE IT WON'T BE APPROVED AT THE SAME TIME OR NOW YOU MENTIONED NOT EVEN SEEING ONE AT ALL. SO , THERE'S, YOU KNOW, BOTH SIDES OF THAT, SO SURE, SURE. MM-HMM. . WELL, AND I THINK THAT THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, AND I'M TAKING SOME NOTES AND WE'LL GET OUR, GET STAFF TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THESE CHUNKS OF THE PROCESS WE COULD LOOK AT BEGINNING AT THE, THE APPROPRIATE LAND USE AND THAT DISCUSSION AND WHAT IS THE DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO MAKE THAT A COMFORT LEVEL. AND THEN, AND IT, IT WOULD, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT THE COUNCIL DOES NOT LOSE CONTROL OVER THE, THE AF THE, THE END PRODUCT BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE AFFECTING THINGS AT A POLICY LEVEL, SUCH AS THE, THE COMP PLAN, THE G AND ALL THE THINGS THAT GO IN THERE THAT HAVE TO BE EITHER CODIFIED OR, OR APPROVED OR SUPPORTED. THAT EVEN IF IT'S MANAGED AT THE STAFF LEVEL, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING AND, AND ALL THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT HAPPENS THERE, OR OTHER SITE PLANNING EFFORTS, THOSE ARE ALL GONNA BE DRIVEN BY A, A POLICY LEVEL, UM, INFLUENCE, I THINK BY COUNCIL. SO, YEP. I'M, I'M SURE WE CAN FIND SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE. WELL, I, AND I THINK FOR ME, THE ULTIMATE, THE ULTIMATE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE OBJECTIVE, RIGHT? AND, AND I FEEL THE OBJECTIVE IS, UH, EFFICIENCY. YOU KNOW, I, I, I DON'T LIKE HEARING THAT IN, I KNOW WASTE IS KIND OF A STRONG WORD, BUT I DON'T LIKE HEARING THAT WE WASTE, UH, WASTE PEOPLE'S TIME OR MONEY. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THE MORE WE CAN MAKE THE PROCESS MORE, IF WE CAN MAKE THE PROCESS MORE EFFICIENT UPFRONT ON THOSE TWO THINGS OF TIME AND MONEY, THEN I THINK WE'LL HAVE HAPPIER CUSTOMERS. THE CUSTOMERS BEING, YOU KNOW, THOSE WHO WANNA DO BUSINESS HERE IN GARLAND. SO I THINK EFFICIENCY IS THE ULTIMATE GOAL. MM-HMM. . WELL, AND, AND MR. CHAIR, ALONG THOSE LINES, AND THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE, I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, UM, LOOKING AT ADMINISTRATIVE DECISIONS. I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING RIGHT NOW AT THE, UH, DPS THING. IF, IF WE HAVE, IF WE HAVE A, A ZONING CASE THAT'S COMING TO US WHERE WE LITERALLY HAVE NO CHOICE ABOUT SAYING YES OR NO, THAT WE, IT'S LIKE, AND, AND, AND WE GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE, THIS WHOLE PROCESS AND WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING WHERE IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE PUBLIC SAYS BECAUSE THE RESULT IS FOREGONE BECAUSE THE STATE PREEMPTS US. UM, THAT HAS NEVER MADE SENSE TO ME THAT THAT ENDS UP GOING THROUGH THE CHARADE OF BEING SOMETHING THAT EITHER THE CITIZENS OR THE COUNCIL HAS A CHOICE ABOUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE END AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS, IF, IF THAT COULD BE DEFINED FOR ADMINISTER, FOR, FOR BEING HANDLED ADMINISTRATIVELY WHEN WE REALLY HAVE NO CHOICE, WHY, WHY WOULD WE JUST TORMENT EVERYBODY? UM, SAME THING SAID AS AN AUDITORIUM, WHEN THAT CAME THROUGH AS WELL, WE WERE ABLE TO GET A FEW MODIFICATIONS, BUT IT WAS GONNA HAPPEN REGARDLESS. BUT WE WERE ABLE TO AT LEAST PROVIDE A LITTLE INPUT ON THAT ONE. YEAH. BECAUSE IT GIVES, IT GIVES THE, I MEAN, IF WE HAVE TO VOTE ON SOMETHING, LIKE IF WE HAVE TO APPROVE A DETAIL PLAN, IT GIVES THE APPEARANCE THAT WE APPROVE OF IT. WHEREAS WHERE WE, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T VOTE AGAINST IT CUZ THERE'S NOTHING TECHNICAL TO VOTE AGAINST. BUT YEAH, THAT'S, I MEAN THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER, WHOLE OTHER AS ASPECT OF IT THAT MM-HMM. . I WASN'T, I THOUGHT OF IT, I WASN'T GONNA BRING IT UP, BUT YEAH. WELL, AND I, AND I THOUGHT ABOUT THE THING WITH THE, YOU KNOW, OUR LUPA DEAL WHERE WE DON'T GET TO SAY WHAT IS A CHURCH AND WHAT ISN'T A CHURCH AND, AND YET WE HAVE TO SIT THERE AND, AND MAKE A VOTE THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A CHOICE ABOUT WITHOUT GETTING THE CITY SUED, THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, IF WE'RE GONNA REVIEW THE PROCESS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME THINGS MOVED INTO THE ADMINISTRATIVE [00:30:01] DECISION FIELD AND OUT OF PUBLIC HEARINGS AND COUNCIL VOTES WHEN WE HAVE A GUN TO OUR HEAD, I JUST, I I THINK THAT'S FOOLISH FOR US TO CONTINUE THAT WAY. AND IT FRUSTRATES THE CITIZENS. IT FRUSTRATES US TOO. MM-HMM. . SO ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S REALLY A NICE CLEAN LEGAL WAY TO REWORK THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST SEE THAT LOOKED AT. WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK AT IT. MM-HMM. ALL RUN. DO WE HAVE A ENOUGH TO START, START ON THERE AT LEAST A, A CHART I THINK OF COMPARISON WITH. SO, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER SEEDS BE GREAT COMPARED TO DALLAS CUZ THEY'RE . DON'T CALL THEM . YEAH. BUT, UM, ANYTHING ELSE GUYS? NOPE. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT, WELL WE ARE ALL SET THEN. THAT WAS THE LAST TIME, THAT WAS THE LAST TIME WE HAD OUR AGENDA. AND UH, AT 4 29 WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.