[Plan Commission Pre Meeting]
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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME. WE WELCOME YOU TO THE MARCH 27TH MEETING OF THE CITY OF GARLAND ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION. THIS PORTION OF OUR MEETING IS THE COMMISSION'S WORK SESSION WHERE CITY STAFF BRIEFED THE COMMISSION ON THE CASES WE WILL HEAR TONIGHT. AFTERWARDS WE WERE RECESSED UNTIL SEVEN P.M. AT WHICH TIME THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE MEETING WILL BEGIN. GOOD EVENING, MA'AM. GOOD EVENING. FIRST. I'D LIKE TO GO OVER THE CONSENT AGENDA. THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. NO, NO QUESTIONS, OKAY? THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE 22 57. THE APPLICANT REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE AND A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH. HERE'S THE CASE INFORMATION. THE ACREAGE IS APPROXIMATELY 1.42 ACRES. AND THE EXISTING ZONING IS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 0 1-23 FOR COMMUNITY OFFICE USE. HERE'S THE CITYWIDE LOCATION MAP AND THE RED STAR SHOWS THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND HERE'S THE LOCATION MAP, THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES OUTLINED AND THE TEAL BLUE COLOR AND THE PROPERTY IS OWNED PD 0 1-23 4, A CONVENIENCE STORE AND GASOLINE SERVICE. THE PROPERTY WAS CONSTRUCTED WITH A 7 11 GAS STATION, BUT IT WAS DEMOLISHED BACK IN 2005. THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTHEAST IS OWN PLAN DEVELOPMENT 10 LAST YEAR OH, EIGHT AND THERE IS A MONETARY SCHOOL. PROPERTY TO THE EAST IS ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, 13 35, AND THERE IS A MEDICAL OFFICE. AND THEN THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST. ACROSS CAMPBELL ROAD. UM THERE IS A TWO, UM, OFFICE RETAIL BUILDING. THE MAP OF THE ENVISIONED GARLAND PLAN DESIGNATES THIS PROPERTY AS BUSINESS CENTER. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD SERVE AS MORE OF A SUPPORTIVE USE TO THE SURROUNDING AND GROWING AREA.
HERE ARE SOME OF THE PICTURES. THE TOP LEFT IS VIEW OF THE SUBJECT. PROPERTY THE TOP RIGHT IS EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THE BOTTOM LEFT IS NORTHEAST OF THE CENTER OF PROPERTY. BOTTOM RIGHT IS NORTHWEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND HERE IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. AND AS STATED EARLIER, THE PD DOES CURRENTLY ALLOW THE UM GAS STATION AND THE CONVENIENCE STORE THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO AMEND THE PD TO ADD THE, UM TO SELL USE USE IT AS A GAS STATION WITH CONVENIENCE STORE BUT ALSO ALLOW THE RESTAURANT WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH WITH THE S U P.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT A 5923 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE STORE AND RESTAURANT WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE AND THEN A SIX. SORRY A 4550 SORRY. 4056 SQUARE FOOT PEEL CANOPY. WHICH IS RIGHT HERE , AND IT WILL HAVE SIX FUEL PUMPS AND 12 FUELED POSITIONS.
THE EXCESS WILL BE FROM A RAPPER . SORRY CAMPBELL ROAD AND A ACCESS POINT FROM 1 90 THROUGH MUTUAL ACCESS. AND THE GDC REQUIRES 35 PARKING SPACES. THE SITE PLAN SHOWS A TOTAL OF 36 PARKING SPACES, HOWEVER, 21 OF THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE EVEY SPACES ALONG 1 90. ARE RIGHT HERE. AND THE G D. C DOES NOT CONSIDER E V. PARKING AS REQUIRED PARKING. HERE IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND IT DOES CONFORM WITH THE LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING STANDARDS PER THE G. D. C. HERE ARE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS. THIS IS FOR THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THRU. DOES COMPLY WITH THE BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS. THIS IS THE FUEL CANOPY. HERE IS THE SIGNAGE PLAN THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO SIGNAGE. UH AND THEY'RE BOTH MONUMENTS SIGN. ONE IS A HIGH RISE MONUMENT SIGN AT THE CORNER OF CAMPBELL AND 1 90 . THEN ANOTHER ONE, UM, CLOSE TO THE ENTRANCE OFF OF CAMPBELL ROAD AND PD. 01 23 HAS A REGULATION THAT ALLOWS A MAXIMUM OF TWO MONUMENT SIGNS. AND EACH MONUMENT SCIENCE SIGN CAN BE A
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MAXIMUM OF SEVEN FT IN HEIGHT AND A MAXIMUM OF 50 SQUARE FEET AND SURFACE AREA AND IT IS THE SAME REGULATION AS A G D. C RIGHT NOW. HERE IS ONE OF THE PROPOSED MONUMENT SIGN. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS A 60 FT, UM , MONUMENT SIGN AT THE CORNER OF CAMPBELL AND 1 90. AND THESE, UH , SURFACE AREAS 501.31. AND SO THE APPLICANT REQUEST A DEVIATION ON THIS SIGNAGE. AND HERE IS THE OTHERS MONUMENT SIGN NEXT TO THE ENTRANCE OF CAMPBELL ROAD, AND IT DOES CONFORM WITH THE GDC REQUIREMENT AND PD 01 23. AND HERE IS THE DEVIATIONS TABLE. THE FIRST ONE IS, UM ON SIGNAGE. UM PT 01 23 ALLOWS A MAXIMUM OF TWO MONUMENTS SIGNS. EACH SIGN CAN BE A MAXIMUM OF SEVEN FT IN HEIGHT AND 50 SQUARE FEET AND SURFACE AREA. THAT'S THE SAME REQUIREMENT AS THE GDC.THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO MONUMENT SIGNS. ONE SON WILL BE LOCATED NEXT TO WES CAMPBELL ROAD ENTRANCE AND IT WILL COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS AND THE SECOND SIGN WILL BE AT THE CORNER OF WEST CAMEL ROAD AND NORTH TORCH. BUSH. THE PROPOSED HEIGHT IS 60 FT AND THE SURFACE AREAS. 501.31 SQUARE FEET. AND THE APPLICANT STATES. THE TALLER MONUMENT SIGN WILL ALLOW MORE VISIBILITY AND ATTRACT MORE CUSTOMERS. THE PROPOSED BUSINESS IS HEAVILY BASED ON BRINGING TRAFFIC FROM NORTH GEORGE BUSH. THE SECOND DEVIATION IS ON PARKING. THE GDC REQUIRES A TOTAL OF 35 PARKING SPACES, AND THE SITE PLAN SHOWS 36 PARKING SPACES. BUT 21 OF THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE CONSIST OF EVIE CHARGING STATION. AND BE CHARGING STATIONS ARE NOT CONTEMPLATED IN THE G D. C THEREFORE, THESE ARE COUNTED AS NON REQUIRED PARKING SPACE. AND THE APPLICANT STATES. THE PARKING SPACE CAN ALSO BE USED FOR NON A B. HERE ARE THE CONSIDERATIONS FOR PLAN COMMISSION AND ONE IS TO REQUEST TO ALLOW THE SCP FOR A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH USE FOR A TIME PERIOD OF 25 YEARS. AND THE SECOND IS THE DEVIATION REQUEST RELATED TO THE HIGH RISE, MONUMENT SIGN AND THE PARKING SPACES THAT CONTAIN THE E V CHARGING STATION. THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ALLOWS A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GASOLINE SALES BY RIGHT FOR THE G D. C. THE PLAN COMMISSION DOES NOT REVIEW ALCOHOL RELATED REQUEST OF A DISTANCE VARIANTS IS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT THE CITY COUNCIL REVIEW AND MAKE A DECISION. HOWEVER THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT HE DOES NOT INTEND TO SELL BEER AND WINE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT TO PDF. 01 23 FOR COMMUNITY OFFICE USE A SPECIFIC USE FOR A DRIVE. THRU RESTAURANT USE IN A DETAILED PLAN FOR A CONVENIENT STORE, FUEL PUMPS, RETAIL USE AND DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT USE. HOWEVER STAFF RECOMMENDS DECREASING THE 60 FT MONUMENT STYLE SIGN TO NO MORE THAN 22 FT. IN THE G. D. C ALLOWS A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 22 FT FOR FREESTANDING PYLON SIGNS. IN ADDITION, WHILE THE PARKING SPACES AVAILABLE TO ELECTRONIC VEHICLES ARE ALSO AVAILABLE TO NON ELECTRIC VEHICLES, STAFF HAS SOME CONCERN THAT THE E V PARKING SPACES MAY LARGELY GO UNUSED AND THEREFORE PRESENT A PARKING SHORTAGE FOR NON HEAVY VEHICLES. IT IS SUGGESTED TO EITHER REDUCE THE NUMBER OF E V STATIONS WHILE RETAINING THE 36TH OVERALL PROVIDED PARKING SPACE. OR TO PROVIDE SIGNAGE CLARIFYING THAT NON EVIE MAY PARK IN THE PARKING SPACES CONTAINING E V CHARGING STATIONS. AND WE DID SEND OUT NOTIFICATION LETTERS. UM TOTAL 11 LETTERS WERE SENT OUT. AND WE RECEIVED SIX WITHIN A NOTIFICATION AREA AGAINST THE REQUEST. AND ONE OUTSIDE OF THE NOTIFICATION AREA AGAINST THE REQUEST, AND WE RECEIVED A TOTAL OF SEVEN RESPONSES. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER ART WELL, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT JUMPS OUT IS THE SAME THING THAT YOU MENTIONED ALREADY IS THE NUMBER OF E V SPACES DO THEY HAVE? YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT REALLY LOOKING AT THEIR BUSINESS MODEL, BUT 21 PARKING SPACES OR SLOTS FOR CHARGING ELECTRIC VEHICLES. THAT IS A LOT DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION OF WHAT YOU THINK WOULD BE MORE APPLICABLE SOMETHING LIKE 10 OR 15. WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER.
BUT THE APPLICANT MENTION THAT, UM HE DOES HAVE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT HAVE A V SPACES. UM IT HASN'T BEEN TOO MUCH OF A CONCERN, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY LOCATIONS IN GARLAND. SO UM , THAT'S WHY IT'S A CONCERN FOR US BECAUSE IT TAKES A LITTLE TIME TO CHARGE AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THOSE ARE IN PLACES THAT ARE DESTINATIONS. PLACES LIKE YOU
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FIND ONE OR TWO AT THE GROCERY STORE. YOU FIND SEVERAL OF THEM AT A AT A AT A HOTEL, BUT AT A GAS STATION WITH A LOOKS LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE A JIMMY JOHN'S IN THERE IS THAT CORRECT? IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE, BUT THE APPLICANT CAN CONFIRM WHETHER THAT'S WHETHER IT'S JIMMY JOHN'S OR ANOTHER RESTAURANT. CAN'T IMAGINE SOMEBODY WOULD BE THERE MORE THAN 30 MINUTES. AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT MANY ELECTRIC CHARGING STATION SEEMS LIKE A LOT, BUT THANK YOU. WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT THANK YOU, SIR. HMM. HMM. COMMISSIONER PARIS. IS IT ON? HMM? THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AROUND THE SIGNAGE AND THE DDC MAX IS 22 YEARS AT 22.FT. HAS THAT BEEN REVISITED WITH THE APPLICANT. AND ARE THEY WILLING TO COMPLY TO THE 22? FT? I DON'T KNOW. IF THERE HAS BEEN SHARED WITH THEM. IT CERTAINLY HAS BEEN SHARED WITH THEM, AND WE HAVE CONVEYED OUR CONCERNS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. UM BUT THE APPLICANT CONTENDS THAT THE 60 FT IS WHAT THEY WOULD PREFER. JUST FOR VISIBILITY AND ADVERTISEMENT AND THEN WITHIN THE AREA THAT I DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DRIVE THE AREA. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SIGNAGE THAT ARE OVER THE G D. C. MAX 22 FT IN THE AREA. THERE ARE I SEE WELL, SHAKING HIS HEAD. YES. UH YES, MA'AM. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY. UM I KNOW THERE WAS ONE. A FEW YEARS AGO, FURTHER DOWN FROM MUCH FURTHER EAST OF 1, 90 THAT COMES TO MIND THAT ACTUALLY DID NEED A DEVIATION IS A LOT OF DECELERATION DELIBERATION ON THAT ONE. AS FAR AS ANY OTHERS, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT SOME COULD BE NONCONFORMING LEGAL NONCONFORMING PRIOR TO THE G D. C UM, BUT AT LEAST ONE COMES TO MIND THAT I CAN THINK OF. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DALTON. THANK YOU.
THE QUESTION OF THE SIGNAGE COMES TO MY MIND QUITE HEAVILY. DRIVING DOWN 1 90. I DON'T RECALL ANY OBVIOUS OTHER SIGNS AT 60 FT. DURING AND THROUGH THAT THOROUGHFARE THERE. AND I DID JUST RETURNED FROM OUR SISTER CITY AND HOUSTON. AND JUST SAW SIGN AFTER SIGN AFTER SIGN IN IT TROUBLED ME THAT IT'S SIGN CLUTTER. AND IF WE LET ONE END TO DO THIS, THE REST OF THEM ARE GOING TO COME FLYING RIGHT BEHIND HIM. SO THAT'S KIND OF MY FEELING ON THAT. ON A CONVENIENCE STORE. BY DEFINITION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PLACE WHERE I CAN POP IN AND GRAB ME SOME CHIPS AND A SOFT DRINK OR I COULD FILL MY TRUCK UP. UM AND I'M NOT GOING TO BE THERE THAT LONG. NORMALLY IF I'M GOING TO GO TO A JIMMY JOHN'S OR CHICKEN EXPRESS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE TO GRAB SOMETHING AND GO. I DON'T RECALL. ANOTHER CONVENIENCE STORE WITH THAT MANY PARKING PLACES. WHEN HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER? DO YOU RECALL? WITH THAT NUMBER FOR REQUIRED PARKING IN THE BUILDING OF THAT SIZE. SO WE DIVIDED THE PARKING BASED ON THE RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THRU AND FOR THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND FOR THE CONVENIENCE DOOR. I CANNOT RECALL THE EXACT PARKING RATIO, BUT FOR THE RESTAURANT IS ONE FOR EVERY 100 SQUARE FOOT. HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOT WAS THE BUILDING. BY SIX. SORRY. 5923 THAT WHICH INCLUDES THE RESTAURANT WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH AND THE CONVENIENCE STORE. DO WE HAVE THE BREAKDOWN OF THE RESTAURANT PORTION OF THIS PLACE? AND IT IS ON THE SITE PLAN. I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER WITH MIRIAM. GET UP FROM HERE. I DON'T HAVE THE BREAKDOWN WITH ME RIGHT NOW. OKAY? SO BUT THEY YOU UNDER YOUR OF THE UNDERSTANDING THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE SITTING DOWN TABLES TO EAT IN THIS RESTAURANT. IT'S NOT GONNA BE BASICALLY A GRABBING GO KIND OF PLACE. MAINLY FOR DRIVE THROUGH. UM, I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT THEY WILL HAVE IT SHOULD BE QUICK SERVICE. I'M NOT SURE IF THEY HAVE ANY DINING INSIDE. IT'LL JUST BE FOR A FEW MINUTES , BUT NOT BUT WE STILL REQUIRE THE ONE PER 100 EVEN THOUGH IF IT DOESN'T HAVE DINING INSIDE. FOR BOTH. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK
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THANK YOU. UM. THE APPLICANT HAS SAID THEY HAVE NO DESIRE TO SELL BEER AND WINE. HOW CAN WE PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING? BECAUSE IT'S A STATE LAW. IT'S NOT A CITY LAW. THE APPLICANT HAS CONFIRMED THAT LUMPY SELLING ANY ALCOHOL NOT TODAY. YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS HE MIGHT OR HERE HE MIGHT HAVE GONE. RIGHT? UM THAT'S CORRECT. I MEAN, THE APPLICANT, UM, INDICATED TO US TODAY HE ACTUALLY WITHDREW AND ALCOHOL, DISTANCE OR REQUEST EARLIER TODAY THIS AFTERNOON, INDICATING DOES NOT INTEND TO SELL IT AND TRY IT OUT AS A DRY CONVENIENCE STORE. HOWEVER THAT IS CORRECT. THERE'S UM, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY PREVENT HIM FROM OR SOMEONE AT THAT LOCATION COMING BACK. SOMETIME DOWN THE ROAD AND REQUEST DOESN'T HAVE TO COME THROUGH THE CITY. HE HAS TO GO THROUGH THE STATE. BOTH HE HAS TO GO THROUGH TBC. THAT'S CORRECT. BUT IF A VARIANCE IS TRIGGERED BY THE CITY THAT HE MAY NEED ADDITIONAL APPROVALS FROM THE CITY, BUT AT THIS TIME, IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT A REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT AND TODAY PART OF THE ZONING CASE. YES, SIR. NOT TODAY, CORRECT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER OVEN. THANK YOU, UM . AS AS THE APPLICANT PROVIDED ANY WITH RESPECT TO THE SIGN, WHICH IS REALLY MY BIGGEST CONCERN HAVE THEY PROVIDED ANY I KNOW THEY PROVIDED US KIND OF A DRAWING OF THE SIGN. BUT IF THEY PROVIDED ANY THEY WOULD SHOW ANY KIND OF SIGHT LINE BASIS OR OTHER REASON FOR IT. REQUEST FOR ONE, BUT WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY. UM AND WE DID ASK THEM TO PUT THEM ADDED TO THEIR PRESENTATION. OKAY I GUESS WE'LL SEE FROM THEM BECAUSE THAT'S MY AND JUST FOR THE COMMISSION'S EDIFICATION THERE, EAST OF HERE AT FIREWALL PARKWAY. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF SIGNS THAT ARE TALLER AS IS, I BELIEVE THAT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE SIGNS IN FRONT OF THE MALL. BUT THE LOW SIGN IS I BELIEVE 44 45 FT OR SO, BUT IT'S ALSO SUBSTANTIALLY ABOVE THE GRADE OF THE HIGHWAY. UM WHEN AT HOME CAME TO THE CITY COUNCIL.AH AND PROBABLY WAS AT THIS COMMISSION BEFOREHAND. THEY HAD ASKED FOR A SIGN VARIANTS THAT WAS AROUND THE SAME ABOUT 50 FT OR SO TO BE EQUIVALENT TO LOWE'S, AND THEY HAD BROUGHT SOME SCHEMATICS. IT INDICATED THAT THAT YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE THERE. UH WITHOUT A SIGN THAT YOU YOU KNOW, AND THEY HAD A SCHEMATIC THAT SHOWS YOU KNOW. HERE YOU ARE X DISTANCE FROM AN EXIT AND YOU'D BE ABLE TO SEE THE SIGN AND YOU'D BE ABLE TO EXIT UM, SO THAT WAS THE JUSTIFICATION HERE. I HAVE A HARD TIME SEEING JUST JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, KNOWING HOW THE CAMPBELL EXIT WORKS WHEN YOU'RE WESTBOUND ON 1 90. THAT THAT A SIGN OF THAT WOULD DO ANY ANY GOOD AT ALL. BUT I'M GENERALLY OPPOSED TO UM, GENERALLY OPPOSED TO GO AGAINST WHAT WE HAVE IN THE GDC. FOR SIGNS ABSENT SOME EXTREMELY COMPELLING REASON SO JUST MIGHT JUST MIGHT TAKE ON THAT EDIFICATION. BUT THANKS, WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THAT FOR THEM. AS FOR THE E V S, AS LONG AS I MEAN TO ME, THAT'S A THEY MAY HAVE A LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THE BUSINESS CASE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. I'M SURE THAT THEY HAVE ONE BECAUSE PUTTING IN E V CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT AN EXPENSIVE UM HOWEVER, THEY MAY FEEL THAT WHERE THAT IS LOCATED . I MEAN, IT'S LITERALLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM BUNCH OF THESE DATA CENTERS AND STUFF, AND MAYBE THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE FOLKS WHO HAVE VVS OR WHATNOT. BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THAT, UM, BUT EVEN PUTTING UP A SIGN JUST SAYING ANYBODY CAN PARK HERE, I THINK WOULD BE WOULD BE MORE THAN SUFFICIENT. I DON'T I DON'T FEEL THE NEED TO JUMP INTO THEIR KIND OF BUSINESS CASE OR TO ALLOW THAT EFFECTED ME A PARKING SPACES PARKING SPACE, WHETHER IT HAS A CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE OR NOT, AS LONG AS THEY CLEARLY 28 THAT SO THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. THANK YOU, SIR. UH COMMISSIONER ON OR COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU. UM ONE QUICK QUESTION, WHICH WAS ABOUT REMEMBER, WE HAD A LOT OF DEBATE ABOUT RAISING CANE'S SIGN , AND THEY WANTED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WAS FAIRLY TALL AND WE CHOPPED IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT. DO YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE HEIGHT OF WHAT THAT SIGN WAS AT GARLAND AND ONE NINETIES, SO IT'S KIND OF IN THAT SAME CORRIDOR. GOOD QUESTION, OKAY? I DON'T REMEMBER. BUT IT WAS THEY WANTED SOMETHING THAT WAS IN THE 60 FT RANGE WHAT I REMEMBER AND I THOUGHT WE BROUGHT IT DOWN TO
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SOMETHING LIKE 45 FT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR A LITTLE LESS. THERE CERTAINLY WASN'T ANYTHING IN THAT AREA. THAT WAS THAT TALL. HMM. OKAY ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAD.THANK YOU, SIR. UM A COUPLE OF FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FOR YOU. ARE WE TREATING FREESTANDING PYLON SCIENCE TO BE THE EQUIVALENT OF MONUMENT SCIENCE AS IT RELATES TO THE GDC REQUIREMENTS? I ASKED THAT BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THE PD SAYS THEY CAN HAVE MONUMENT SIZE SCIENCE. EXCUSE ME AT SEVEN. FT AND THE FREESTANDING WE'RE CONSIDERING NOW OR THE 22. SO I'M TRYING TO RECONCILE. YOU KNOW WHAT'S THERE AND WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UM WE DID LOOK AT IT, AND WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD BEST FIT MORE OF A MONUMENT SIGN A VERY LARGE MONUMENT SIGN RATHER THAN A PULL PYLON SIGN, WHICH NEEDS TO SUPPORT STRUCTURES. OKAY UM, NEXT QUESTION. ARE THERE ANY SPECIFICATIONS REGARDING THAT MENU THAT THEY'VE GOT KIND OF POSITIONED IN THE BACK? I KNOW THE G D. C TALKS ABOUT MENUS TO THE MANY BOARD WILL COMPLY WITH THE GDC REQUIREMENT SO THEY'LL APPLY FOR SIGN PERMITS. OKAY THANK YOU. AND VERY LAST QUESTION, I PROMISE. UM THE TRASH UNIT THAT'S IN THE BACK. IS THAT A SHARED TRASH RECEPTACLE OR IS THAT SPECIFIC TO THE PROPERTY? SPECIFIC TO THE PROPERTY. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S KIND OF TOUCHING THE BOUNDARY LINE OF THE PROPERTY. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY NEED IT. TO CONFER WITH ANY OF THE OTHER ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS OR NOT. I KNOW IT'S A VERY TIGHT SPACES.
THEY'RE FINISHED. THEY'RE JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY ADDITIONAL INPUT THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED ON THAT. THERE IS A MUTUAL ACCESS EASEMENT. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. RIGHT IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS THAT CONCLUDES OUR WORK SESSION PORTION THIS EVENING THIS EVENING, WE WILL RECONVENE AT SEVEN P.M. FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. UNTIL THEN, AND THANK YOU.
[Call to Order]
GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE MARCH 27TH MEETING OF THE CITY OF GARLAND ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION. IT IS THE CUSTOM AND TRADITION OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION TO HAVE AN INVOCATION AND RECITAL OF THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PRIOR TO THE START OF OUR MEETINGS, MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE ARE INVITED TO PARTICIPATE. HOWEVER, THE AUDIENCE IS NOT REQUIRED TO PARTICIPATE. THIS ISN'T IS STRICTLY A MATTER OF PERSONAL PREFERENCE AND WILL NOT AFFECT THE DECISIONS MADE DURING THE COURSE OF THIS MEETING NEVER HAS NEVER WILL. THE PRAYER THIS EVENING WILL BE BY OUR COMMISSIONER FROM DISTRICT SIX, DISTRICT SIX. EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER DOUG WILLIAMS. THANK YOU. MR CHAIRMAN, MAY WE PRAY? THANK YOU, DEAR LORD, FOR THIS DAY THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US THANK YOU FOR THE THINGS THAT YOU BLESSED US WITH. BE WITH US THIS EVENING, SO WE MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. BE WITH US AND ALL THAT WE DO HELP US BE SAFE. FORGIVE US OF OUR SINS AND YOUR HOLY PRECIOUS NAME WE BREAK.AMEN. PLEASURE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH 30 AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. DO THAT IN SCHOOL. POLICE. SEVEN UH ALL RIGHT, AND BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR INTO IT, TOO QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS , THE FIRST BEING A TAKE IT THAT YOU ALL REALIZE THAT WE'RE PLAYING MUSICAL CHAIRS THIS EVENING. I AM NOT THE CHAIRMAN. HE IS AWAY ON BUSINESS THIS EVENING. WE WISH HIM LUCK IN HIS ENDEAVORS AND A QUICK RETURN. SECOND ANNOUNCEMENT WILL BE COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONER OR BEEN YOU HAVE THE FORCE, SIR. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR FOR ALLOWING ME THIS MOMENT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE. I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MINUTE AND APOLOGIZE TO THE COMMISSION INTO THE PUBLIC. AT THE LAST MEETING THAT I WAS HERE LAST MONTH. AH AS YOU KNOW, I DEPARTED THE MEETING AFTER OUR BUSINESS WAS LARGELY FINISHED, BUT BEFORE WE HAD ADJOURNED THE MEETING, UM AND THAT WAS I WILL TELL YOU LARGELY OUT OF FRUSTRATION. AH BUT I DO REALIZE THAT THAT IT EXHIBITED, UH OR COULD BE TAKEN AS A STATEMENT OF DISRESPECT. FOR MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND FOR THIS COMMISSIONER AND FOR THIS COMMISSION AND I, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT I GREATLY RESPECT ALL OF YOU, UH, IN THE WORK THAT YOU DO IN YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE. ON THIS COMMISSION. IT IS, UM LIKE SO MANY, LIKE SO MANY JOBS ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND CITY
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COUNCIL AND WHATNOT. IT'S A IT'S A IT'S A THANKLESS JOB FOR THE MOST PART, AND, UM, BUT I DO.THANK YOU, AND I APOLOGIZE TO EXTENT THAT I EXHIBITED DISRESPECT. I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR ALL OF YOU. UM YOU KNOW, THE. CHANGE FROM CITY COUNCIL TO PLAIN COMMISSION. HAS HAS BEEN A DIFFICULT AND SOMETIMES FRUSTRATING ADJUSTMENT FOR ME. BUT THAT DOES NOT THAT DOES NOT JUSTIFY ME GETTING, UH , GETTING FRUSTRATED AND WALKING OUT ON A MEETING AND SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I DO LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH YOU ALL INTO ADDRESSING MY FRUSTRATIONS AND CONCERNS IN A MORE PRODUCTIVE MANNER. AND SO, UM, BUT I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT ANY OF THAT WITH ANY OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY. SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY ONGOING QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. I THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT TO OUR APPLICANTS AND TO ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN THE PUBLIC. ALL APPLICANTS ARE GIVEN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE AND OTHER SPEAKERS. SUPPORTERS OR THOSE IN OPPOSITION WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
THEREAFTER. THE APPLICANT WILL BE PROVIDED WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND. IF YOU DO COME TO ADJUST THE COMMISSION WE BEG PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. THE
[CONSENT AGENDA]
FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA. WILL BE OUR CONSENT AGENDA. ARE THESE ARE ITEMS OF THE COMMISSIONERS PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED EXCUSE ME, AND WE'RE REAL VOTE ON AS ONE ITEM TO APPROVE. IF ANYONE WANTS AN ITEM REMOVED FROM CONSIDERATION OR FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. EXCUSE ME, WHETHER IT IS A COMMISSIONER OR ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE. PLEASE LET US KNOW AND WE WILL CONSIDER THAT ITEMS SEPARATELY. OUR CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT INCLUDES TWO ITEMS. ITEM ONE. A CONSIDERATION OF THE PLANT COMMISSION MEETINGS. MINUTES FOR MARCH 13TH TO 2023 MEETING AND ITEM TO A CONSIDERATION OF P. 23 07, WHICH IS THE WAGON WHEEL EDITION FIRE FINAL PLANT. DOES ANYONE DESIRE TO REMOVE AN ITEM FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? SEEING NONE. WE WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION COMMISSIONER PARIS. I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT AS AS IT'S BEEN READ AND WRITTEN. SECOND OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED BY COMMISSIONER PARIS AT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER, I THINK I HEARD COMMISSIONER ROSE AS THE SECOND ALL RIGHT. PLEASE VOTE. HMM. AND OKAY? YOU HAVE A MOMENT? MR CHAIRMAN. WHAT WE'RE WE'RE IN THIS WAITING PERIOD BY EXCEPT WOMEN APPROVE CORRECT. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION, MOVED TO APPROVE THE ITEMS THAT'S PRESENTED. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY? AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.[Items 3A - 3C]
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. FIRST ZONING ITEM THIS EVENING IS CONTAINED IN THREE PARTS AND EACH WILL BE READ AND CONSIDER JOINTLY. ITEMS THREE A THREE B AND THREE C. CONSIDER THE APPLICATION OF MOHAMMED SHARAF VICTORY IN ENERGY INCORPORATED, REQUESTING APPROVAL AND AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OR 1 23 FOR COMMUNITY OFFICE. USE A SPECIFIC USE PROVISIONS FOR A RESTAURANT DRIVE THROUGH USE AND A DETAILED PLAN FOR CONVENIENCE STORE FUEL PUMPS, RETAIL USE AND RESTAURANT DRIVE THROUGH IS THE APPLICANT APPLICANTS PRESENT THIS EVENING.DO YOU WANT? DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION? WHEN IT COME ON DOWN? IT'S GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, SIR. OKAY? COME ON DOWN. I ALWAYS WANTED TO SAY THAT. THANK YOU, SIR. AND IF YOU COULD FOR US, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME YOUR ADDRESS? YES SIR. ABSOLUTELY GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS NICK VAZQUEZ. I LIVE IN WALKS. I HAD YOU AT 105 Y M C. A DRAFT. OKAY THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT THIS EVENING? COMMISSIONER ROBIN.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. MR VASQUEZ. DO YOU HAVE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD OUR DISCUSSION EARLIER PARTICULAR CONCERN ABOUT THE SIGN IN THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN. CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT REQUEST AND THE NEED FOR THAT? THAT VARIATION AND IF YOU HAVE ANY IF YOU HAVE ANY IMAGES OR OTHER KIND OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD SHOW US WHAT THAT WOULD WITH THE
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SIGHTLINE TYPE STUFF ISSUE. LOOKS LIKE CERTAINLY. YES, SIR. I APOLOGIZE. I DO NOT HAVE ANY IMAGES TO PROVIDE YOU TODAY AND I REALIZED WE'RE ASKING FOR QUITE A AH HEIGHTS VARIANTS TO THE ORDINANCE, HOWEVER. AND OUR LINE OF WORK AND THE CONVENIENCE STORE BUSINESS. IT'S VERY COMPETITIVE. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO GET OUR IMAGE BRAND UP. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO POST OUR GAS PRICES TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN GET A CUSTOMER DRIVEN TO OUR SITE. TO MAXIMIZE, OF COURSE, ARE INVESTMENT INTO THE PROPERTY. WITH THAT WE ARE OFFERING TO PUT GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CITY'S ORDINANCE AND REQUIREMENTS ON MONUMENT SIGN, AND TO ADD MORE ARCHITECTURE DO SOMETHING THAT'S A VERY PLEASING , SIGNED TO THE ENVIRONMENT FOR EXCHANGE OF GRANTING THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER DALTON. I YEAH, I NEED A LITTLE MORE. CONVINCING ON THE SIGN. BECAUSE THAT IS A 60 FT SIGN. AND THERE'S NO OTHER SIGNS IMMEDIATELY AROUND THAT.AND THAT HEIGHT AND YOU SAY YOU'RE WANTING TO PUT MORE INFORMATION ON THAT SIGN. UM I CAN'T THINK OF ANOTHER. MONUMENT SIGN OF THAT HEIGHT. WITH THAT MUCH INFORMATION ANYWHERE NEAR THIS PARTICULAR AREA. SO I NEED A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION THAN THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT. TO ME. PUTTING MORE INFORMATION MAY NOT BE A GOOD THING. YOU SHOW ON THE ONE OF THE DETAILED PLANS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A CHICKEN EXPRESS. ANOTHER ONE, SAYS JIMMY. JOHN'S. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE LOCATED A VENDOR YET FOR THE RESTAURANT PORTION OF THIS BUT. THAT'S JUST AN AWFUL LOT OF CLUTTER TO ME ON A BIG, TALL 60 FT SIGN. YES SIR. THANK YOU. AND I APOLOGIZE IF I WAS MISUNDERSTANDING. OF COURSE, YES , WE HAVE. OUR FUEL PRICE ARE OUR GUESTS. UH IMAGE SIGN? AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE RESTAURANT SIGN. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY PROVIDING MORE INFORMATION, BUT WE WANTED TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND ON THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS OF THE SIGN ITSELF FOR THAT HIGH ELEVATION SO THAT OF COURSE IT WOULD BE. AH MORE PLEASING TO LOOK AT, AND HOPEFULLY COMMUNITY COULD BE PROUD OF THE SIGN OF SUCH NATURE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR A LOT HERE . WE'RE JUST HOPING THAT YOU KNOW YOU GUYS WOULD CONSIDER YOU KNOW THE HIGH ELEVATION AND WORLD WILLING TO INVEST MORE INTO THAT SIGN IN EXCHANGE TO MAKE IT A PLEASING FEATURE.
OKAY? UM. AND I'M NOT GETTING INTO YOUR YOUR BUSINESS PLAN, BUT 21 CHARGING STATIONS. ARE THOSE RAPID CHARGERS OR SLOW CHARGERS? THEY ARE TESLA CHARGING STATIONS THAT WILL HAVE THEIR LATEST TECHNOLOGY IN THEM, AND THEY ARE THE RAPID CHARGERS. I BELIEVE THEIR TIER THREE OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. THREE, I THINK IS A PARTICULAR ONE. RIGHT NOW, UM. DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT YOU MIGHT PUT OUT THERE. SIGNAGE WISE. THAT WOULD INDICATE TO EVERYONE THAT COMES BY THAT THESE ARE NOT CHARGING ONLY STATIONS. I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE AN AWFUL LOT OF THEM IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION. WITHOUT THERE BEING CLOSE IN PARKING TO THE BUILDING THAT'S NOT HANDICAPPED. THESE ARE QUITE A WAYS AWAY ACTUALLY, FROM THE BUILDING ITSELF. AND.
I'M JUST I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT I THINK A LITTLE BIT BETTER. YES SIR. UNDERSTOOD WE DO A LOT OF PROJECTS WITH TESLA. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE DO IS WE COMMUNICATE WITH THEM AND SHOW THEM SIDES THAT WE FEEL LIKE WOULD BE A GOOD MARRIAGE. WOULD TESLA THERE SO THEY TAKE AND THEY EVALUATE THE SITE. THE NEED. FOR CHARGING STATIONS IN THAT AREA, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY THE ONES THAT MAKE THAT DETERMINATION OF WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS AN ADEQUATE NUMBER OF CHARGING STATIONS IN THAT SPOT, SO WE DON'T ACTUALLY AH, TELL THEM HOW MANY WE WANT.
THEY TELL US WHAT THEY FEEL IS GOING TO SERVICE THE COMMUNITY BEST GIVEN THE VOID OF THOSE CHARGERS IN THE AREA. ON THE SIGNAGE. OF COURSE, WE'RE NOT IN CONTROL OF THE TYPE OF SIGNAGE THEY PUT UP. I CAN TELL YOU, OF COURSE, THAT THEY DO NOT PUT SIGNS UP THAT SAY THAT THESE CHARGER OR STRICTLY FOR TESLA CUSTOMERS NOW THAT BEING SAID WE COULD CONSIDER ADDING SOME SIGNAGE OUTSIDE OF THEIR SIGNAGE THAT WOULD LET CUSTOMERS KNOW THAT IT'S KIND OF A GENERAL PARKING ATMOSPHERE. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE CONCERNED, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IT TO MAKE SURE THE PEOPLE THAT PULL IN DON'T IMMEDIATELY LOOK AT THOSE PARKING SPACES AND GO. OH,
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THOSE ARE CHARGING STATIONS. I NEED TO PARK OVER HERE INSTEAD. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE NOT SEEING THOSE AS BEING AVAILABLE AS A TRADITIONAL PARKING SPACE, YES, OR UNDERSTOOD THINKING THERE AND AS PART OF AS I SAID, WE HAVE OTHER LOCATIONS WITH THEM. AND OF COURSE WITH THAT, UM WE DO HAVE CUSTOMERS THAT DO ACCOMMODATE THOSE SPOTS WHEN WE HAVE OVERFLOW, PARKING AND IT'S NEEDED. SO UH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE CAN BE PEOPLE THAT THINK, HEY, I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO PARK THERE. BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, I THINK IS MORE OF THESE CHARGING STATIONS COME ONLINE. PEOPLE GET MORE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT THEY'RE SAYING AND WHAT THEIR OPTIONS ARE WITHIN THAT SPACE. LIKE I SAID. I CAN'T. WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE OR MODIFIED TESLA STANDARD SIGNAGE, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER SOME OTHER MEANS JUST LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THAT, UH THAT THAT PARKING AREAS ALSO GENERAL PARKING RIGHT . JUST KNOW WHEN I SEE THEM NOW TODAY. AND A LOT SOMEWHERE. THEY'RE NOT RIGHT. THERE WERE A CUSTOMER WOULD NORMALLY BE PARKING TO GO INTO THE RETAIL STORY THAT'S ALWAYS SEPARATED AWAY FROM AND PEOPLE JUST DON'T PARK THERE. I DON'T I DON'T THINK ABOUT IT. YES, SIR. UM I THINK THAT'S ALL FOR THE MOMENT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER ROSE. ARE YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, BUT YOU DIDN'T SAY WHAT YOUR RELATIONSHIP IS TO THE CUSTOMER . ARE YOU THERE? ARCHITECT OR WHAT? YES SIR. THANK YOU. AND I APOLOGIZE. I AM ACTUALLY THEIR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER. I'M INVOLVED ON THE DESIGN ASPECT TO COORDINATE THE ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS AND I'M ALSO FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION, BIDDING WITH GENERAL CONTRACTORS AND OVERSEEING THE PROJECT AS IT'S BUILT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR FOR THAT COMMISSIONER PARIS GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ENTERTAINING OUR QUESTIONS AND EARLIER AND I KNOW THAT YOU'VE HEARD IT. YOU'VE ADDRESSED IT A BIT WITH COMMISSIONER DALTON IN REFERENCE TO THE MONUMENT SIGN. I BELIEVE THAT'S A SIGN THAT IT'S ASKING FOR THE VARIATION FROM THE STANDARD OF THE 20 TO 50 FT FOR DEEP THE G D. C VERSUS THE 60. ASK ARE THERE. IS THERE A CONSIDERATION THAT YOU'VE REVIEWED WHERE IS THERE A WAY FOR YOU TO STAY WITHIN THE G, D.C VERSUS YOUR ASK. YOU SAID THAT YOU WANTED AS 60 FT BECAUSE OF BEING ENVIRONMENTAL FRIENDLY.
TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT, AND THEN ARE THERE OTHER AREAS WHERE THIS TYPE OF PROPERTY THAT YOU'VE KNOWN WHERE 60. FT HAS BEEN SIGNAGE USAGE WITHIN THAT WITHIN THAT GENERAL AREA. I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE SIGNAGE PIECE. YES MA'AM. THANK YOU. AND WE OFTEN GO THROUGH THIS. WHEN WE GO TO CITIES ON SIGNAGE IS TIME GOES BY MORE CITIES HAVE STRICTER SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS. OUR LATEST. APPROVAL WAS IN GRAND PRAIRIE, A NEW PROJECT THAT WE HAVE GOING UP THERE AT 3 60 LYNN CREEK ROAD. AH THEY HAD A VERY SIMILAR SIGNAGE RESTRICTION THAT YOU GUYS HAVE HERE. AND APOLOGIZE THAT I'M NOT HAVING IMAGES TO SHOW YOU. UM HOWEVER, I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION AND HAPPY TO GET IT OVER TO THE CITY. BUT WHAT WE DID. THERE WAS THE SAME THING. WE WENT WITH A 56 FT TALL SIGN. THAT'S WHAT THEY ALLOWED US TO HAVE THEIR THEIR RESTRICTION. THERE WAS I BELIEVE 25 OR 30 CAN'T QUITE REMEMBER. HOWEVER WHAT WE DID TO POLICE THEM IN THIS SITUATION IS THAT WE TOOK THEIR BASE REQUIREMENTS FOR DESIGN, AND WE ADDED SOME VERY NICE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS TO THE SIGN TO MAKE IT KIND OF WORK WITH THE BUILDING ITSELF AND SOMETHING THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, HELPFUL WITH VISIBILITY OF IT WITH THE CUSTOMERS AND THE COMMUNITY. WE WANTED TO LOOK VERY NICE. ANOTHER WORDS. NOW. OUR BUSINESS IS NOT GOING TO CLOSE IF YOU DON'T GIVE IT TO US. JUST BE HONEST WITH YOU. THIS IS WHAT WE TRY TO DO. WE TRY TO MAXIMIZE WHAT WE CAN FOR OUR BUSINESS AND SIGNAGE IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING FOR US. SO WE REQUEST AND HOPE THAT WE CAN CANCEL MEETING THE MIDDLE. IF NOTHING ELSE ON ON OUR REQUEST FOR THESE VARIATIONS. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER ROSE YES. UH, I WAS GONNA TRY AND SEE IF STAFF COULD PUT THE PICTURES OF THE SIGNS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO US IN OUR PRE MEETING AND YOU CAN RELATE. THE SIZE IS AND SO FORTH. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE.
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MOHAMMED WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE THIS EVENING. SO HE WASN'T FEELING WELL. SO I'M JUMPING IN ON THIS. SO I'LL TRY MY BEST TO BE AS ACCURATE AS I CAN. BUT THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE HERE OF ONE VERY SIMILAR THAT WE DID IN LYNN CREEK, WHERE WE TOOK THEIR BASIC TO POLL REQUIREMENT. YOU KNOW, TRYING TO STAY WITHIN THEIR REQUIRED SQUARE FOOTAGE. BUT. THEY WERE LOOKING FOR IF WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR AN ELEVATION CHANGE, SUCH AS THAT WE WENT IN, AND WE ENHANCED THE OVERALL PYLON SIGN BASICALLY TO TRY TO CREATE AN EXTENDED MONUMENT SIGN. EVEN THOUGH IT'S WE'RE ASKING FOR 60 FT. WERE TRYING TO TAKE THOSE FEATURES. EXTEND THEM MAKE SOMETHING PLEASING. THANK YOU, PENNY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. QUESTION FIRST FOR OUR ATTORNEY. WE? CAN WE TELL THEM WHAT THE CONTENT OF ANY SIGN IT IS. WHERE SHOULD BE WE CAN'T REGULATE CONTENT. WE NEED TO STAY NEUTRAL IN THAT AREA. RIGHT AND CAN THEIR SIGN HAVE ANY AH OTHER SCROLLING TEXT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. ANYTHING THAT CAN BE CHANGED OR UM, REFER TO, UM, PLANNING DIRECTOR ON THAT ONE. AS FAR AS WHAT THE G D C STATES. YES, UM. MR CHAIRMAN. UH THE G. D. C HAS CERTAIN REGULATIONS ON ELECTRONIC SIGNAGE CHANGING SIGNAGE. IT HAS TO BE STATIC FOR AT LEAST EIGHT SECONDS. BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT THERE ARE SOME CRITERIA THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET. UM I DON'T JUST IMMEDIATE LEFT TOP OF MY HEAD. NO THEM BUT THERE ARE GDC REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT, BUT I KNOW IF IT WERE EVEN ELIGIBLE FOR THAT, UM, IT CAN'T JUST BE A SCROLLING THING. IT HAS TO BE STATIC IMAGES FOR I BELIEVE AT LEAST EIGHT SECONDS BEFORE IT CHANGES. BUT AGAIN, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL ELIGIBLE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET THAT SIGNAGE WOULD HAVE TO MEET FOR THAT. THANK YOU BOTH. UM SIR. WHAT? WHAT ARE YOUR INTENDED STORE HOURS FOR THIS BUSINESS? FOR BOTH THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH PORTIONS. YES SIR.THANK YOU. SO THE RESTAURANT TYPICALLY WILL BE OPEN AT 10 IN THE MORNING UNTIL NINE OR 10 IN THE EVENINGS AND THE STORE WILL BE CONSIDERED 24 HOURS, THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND IN TERMS OF THE CITY OF THE RESTAURANT. IS THERE A SIT DOWN PORTION WITHIN THERE IS? YES, SIR. OKAY.
THANK YOU. ALRIGHT THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT THIS EVENING IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE FOR THIS GENTLEMAN COMMISSIONER DALTON THANK YOU. UM HOW LARGE A SEATING AREA IS GOING TO BE SET ASIDE FOR THE RESTAURANT. ARE YOU ASKING, SIR ? IN THE NUMBER OF SEATS OR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE? ONE OR THE OTHER ? YES, SIR, WILL HAVE APPROXIMATELY 40 TO 50 SEATS IN THAT SPACE FOR THE RESTAURANT, OKAY? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE YES AUDIENCE? AND AS YOU COME DOWN, THINKING ABOUT YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS HOW ARE YOU? MY NAME IS JOHN MARTINI. I REPRESENT THE OWNERSHIP FOR A NEW CENTURY MONASTERY ACADEMY AT 16 25 FERRIS ROAD, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED ZONING. THANK YOU, SIR. I'M HERE TO, UH AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE VARIANTS FOR ALCOHOL SALES HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN . AND SO THE OWNERSHIP THAT THE SCHOOL JUST WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO ALCOHOL SALES NOW OR IN THE FUTURE. IF THERE'S ANY CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND SECONDLY , THE DRIVE THRU PORTION THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WORK OUT THE EASEMENT THE MUTUAL ACCESS EASEMENTS BECAUSE WHAT THE OWNERSHIP FOR THE SCHOOL DOES NOT WANT ANY MUTUAL ACCESS THROUGH THE SCHOOL FOR SAFETY REASONS, SO WE JUST NEED TO WORK SOMETHING OUT WITH THE APPLICANT WITH REGARD TO THOSE MUTUAL ACCESS AGREEMENTS FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH NOT OPPOSED TO THE DRIVE . THRU JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MUTUAL ACCESS AGREEMENTS DON'T ALLOW FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO GO THROUGH. WHERE THE SCHOOL IS. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE CLEAR ON THAT AND BE ON RECORD THAT THAT'S WHAT THE OWNERSHIP IS REQUESTING . THANK YOU. I BELIEVE AS IT RELATES TO THE ALCOHOL SALES. THERE IS SOME UM THERE IS SOME LAW THAT AFFECTS THEIR ABILITY TO DO THIS. THEY DO HAVE TO COME BACK FOR TO REQUEST A VARIANCE TO THE CITY AND THE STATE AGAIN, SO THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IN THE EVENT THAT THEY DO GO FORWARD AS MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THAT. OKAY, THANK YOU. UNDERSTOOD. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS ADVOCATE.
FIRST REMEMBER? IF NOT THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. SORRY. WHAT? COMMISSIONER IS IT THE DIRECTLY
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SOUTH OF THIS ONE? OR WHERE IS IT LOCATED? IT'S GOING TO BE NORTH AND A LITTLE EAST, PROBABLY NORTH AND EAST. OKAY SO FROM THE EXHIBIT, IT LOOKS LIKE THE DRIVE THROUGH IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT ITS COMES AROUND THE BACK? I BELIEVE, AND THERE'S A THERE'S A GATE THERE ON ONE SIDE, AND THEN THERE'S A GATE ON THE BACKSIDE. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE ACCESS TO GO AROUND THE FRONT OF THE SCHOOL FROM FERRIS STREET AND ENTER IN OR EXIT OUT THROUGH THE EXITS AND ENTRANCES. FOR THE SCHOOL. OKAY IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WON'T. IT WON'T BE CONVENIENT FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO EXIT THROUGH THE SCHOOL. BUT I GUESS IF SOMEBODY WAS ON CAMPBELL ROAD AND TURNED AND THEY WERE, THEY SAW IT A LITTLE BIT TOO LATE. THEY COULD PROBABLY PULL THROUGH. UM, I'M JUST DON'T WANT ANY TRAFFIC THROUGH THE SCHOOL AREA.WHATSOEVER. AND THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK IT WILL BE WORKED OUT WITH THE APPLICANT ON THE MUTUAL ACCESS IS NOT OPPOSED TO THE BACKSIDE WITH THEM. JUST DON'T WE JUST DON'T WANT PEOPLE COMING THROUGH THE SCHOOL AREA. JUST KIDS ARE WALKING AND IT'S JUST NOT SAFE. OKAY? THANK YOU, SIR.
THANK YOU, SIR. VERY MUCH. ARE THERE ANY OTHER AUDIENCE MEMBERS? I'D LIKE TO ADD COMMENTS. OKAY, SEEING NONE. WE CAN ENTERTAIN EMOTION. MR CHAIR. COMMISSIONER DALTON LOST MY VOICE FOR A MOMENT. LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION AND WE CAN HAVE CONVERSATION DISCUSSION IF THE REST OF COMMISSION WOULD LIKE I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION. PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT INCLUDES. THE LOWERING OF THE SIGN TO STAY WITHIN THE G D. C. THE MOTION.
WE HAVE A SECOND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE MOTION BEFORE THE FLOOR IS TO A CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOW POINT OF ORDER. IS THAT TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS. WOULD YOU LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DISCUSSION OR IS THAT NO OUTSIDE? AFTER I MADE MY MOTION ? WE CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION.
THANK YOU. SO DESIRED. THANK YOU MOST BEFORE THE FOREST TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND TO APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, INCLUDING THE RESTRICTION ON THE HEIGHT. OF THE PYLON SIGN.
CORRECT SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ARBEN ANY DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE. LET'S VOTE. AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS A
[4A. Consideration of amended Plan Commission Bylaws.]
MISCELLANEOUS ITEM. WE WILL NOT BE VOTING ON THIS ITEM. THIS IS A AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMISSION TO ADDRESS THE THEIR BYLAWS AGAIN. WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THE ITEM, IT'S FOR DISCUSSION ONLY. COMMISSIONER HARBIN. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEARED. THE WE WILL EVENTUALLY VOTE ON THIS. THE REASON WE'RE NOT VOTE, THE ONE OF THE ITEMS AND I KNOW WE JUST GET PRESENTED WITH THIS TONIGHT. ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT IS IN HERE THAT IS IN THE CURRENT BYLAWS SAYS THAT, UH , ANY CHANGE HAS TO BE DELIVERED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS NOT LESS THAN THREE DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING, WHICH OBVIOUSLY THESE WERE NOT SO BUT WE CAN STILL DISCUSS IT TONIGHT.AND I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS IT, AND, UH I WANT TO PREFACE THAT WITH UM. ONE OF THE REASONS I WANT TO DISCUSS IT TONIGHT IS I WANT YOU ALL. I HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT I'D LIKE YOU ALL TO KIND OF RUMINATE ON AND I'M GONNA MAKE THOSE SUGGESTIONS ARE NOT IN THESE DOCUMENTS. I RECEIVED THESE TODAY AS YOU DID, UH, BUT THERE'S SOME THAT HAVE BEEN ON MY MIND. AND BUT I WANT YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT THEM AND TO BE ABLE TO ENGAGE ON THEM AS WELL. AND THEY HAVE SOME TIME TO DO THAT BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING. I'M GOING TO PROVIDE THOSE CHANGES TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SO YOU'LL GET THEM IN WRITING BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING AND HAVE A CHANCE TO MEET THE THREE DAY RULE, BUT I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE ANY AND ALL OF YOU TO MAKE YOUR OWN SUGGESTED CHANGES.
UM AND PROVIDE THOSE EITHER TALK ABOUT THEM TONIGHT AND THEN ALSO PROVIDE THEM TO THE CITY ATTORNEY SO THAT WE CAN. WE CAN HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION. UH HOPEFULLY WITH, UH WITH CHAIRMAN ROBERTS HERE IN, UH TWO WEEKS. I THINK. SOMETIMES IT'S SOMETIMES IT'S THREE WEEKS. SOMETIMES IT'S TWO WEEKS. UM THE BASIS FOR THE MY PROPOSED CHANGES ARE UH UM. TO IMPROVE OUR TRANSPARENCY. UH, TO OUR AH. TO TWO THE FOLKS WHO COME BEFORE US EITHER. AS APPLICANTS. OR AS CONSTITUENTS,
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RESIDENTS OF THE CITY AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS AND THEN ALSO TO GIVE US AN ALIGNMENT WITH HOW THE CITY COUNCIL DOES THINGS WHICH I BELIEVE IS IMPORTANT. BECAUSE MANY OF YOU THE PLANE COMMISSION IS OFTEN A PLACE WHERE WE'RE. WERE FOLKS GO ON FROM HERE TO GRADUATE OR, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO REFER TO THAT AS AS MR OTTO'S DOING. THEY MOVED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND SO ON ALIGNMENT OF HOW WE DO THINGS I THINK WOULD BE USEFUL. I KNOW IT'S OFTEN DIFFICULT FOR UM AT ANY GIVEN TIME. A THIRD TO A HALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL ARE FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE PLANE COMMISSION, AND IT'S OFTEN A DIFFICULT ADJUSTMENT. TO COME UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL OR OVER TO THE CITY COUNCIL OR DOWN TO THIS, HOWEVER, YOU LIKE TO REFER TO IT TO MOVE TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND FIND THAT THINGS ARE DONE DIFFERENTLY. UM YOU KNOW, SOME SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS SEVERAL YEARS AFTER BEING ON THE COUNCIL ARE STILL MAKING MOTIONS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM WHICH WE DON'T DO IT. THE CITY COUNCIL. UM SO WITH THAT IN MIND . I WAS SURPRISED WHEN I LOOKED AT THE BYLAWS TO NOTE THAT THAT THERE'S NO PRE MEETING IN THE BYLAWS. UM. AND I THINK WE NEED TO ELIMINATE THE PRE MEETING INTO SPECIFICALLY STAYED IN THE BYLAWS THAT IT SHOULD BE ONE HOLISTIC MEETING. WHICH IS HOW IT IS DONE AT CITY COUNCIL, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHY I THINK SO. WE NEED TO DO THAT. I THINK IT'S CONFUSING FOR THE PUBLIC. OUR MEETING TIME CHANGES EVERY MEETING. TONIGHT WE MET AT 6 30 SOME OTHER NIGHTS WE MEET AT 5 45. OTHER NIGHTS WE MEET AT 5 30. OTHER AND I THINK THAT'S CONFUSING FOR THE PUBLIC, PARTICULARLY IN SO MUCH HAPPENS , AND IT'S NOT THAT THAT'S AN INCIDENTAL THING THAT DOESN'T MATTER. SO MUCH HAPPENS IN THAT PRE MEETING, MANY FOLKS WOULD SAY THAT OUR MOST IMPORTANT QUESTIONS COME OUT IN THAT PRE MEETING AND THE PUBLIC IS OFTEN NOT AWARE OF WHAT THE PRE MEETING IS, AND I THINK YOU CAN TELL BYE. WHEN WE HAVE BIG ISSUES HERE, WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS WHO DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARRIVE AT SEVEN WHEN THEY THINK THE MEETING STARTS, AND THEY HAVE MISSED SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT DISCUSSION OF THE EVENING, AND I THINK THAT'S A GRAVE DISSERVICE TO THE PUBLIC.UM AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT YOU ALL MAY RECALL WHEN WE HAD THE BIG APARTMENT COMPLEX ISSUE DOWN IN DISTRICT THREE SOME MONTHS AGO. ACTUALLY YOU KNOW, WE HELD OFF ON SOME STAFF QUESTIONS AND ASK THOSE QUESTIONS IN THE MAIN MEETING SO THAT PEOPLE COULD HEAR THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND OTHER THINGS. UM. I THINK THE OTHER SOME OF THE OTHER REASON.
I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST REASON IT CONFUSES. IT'S CONFUSING TO THE PUBLIC. IT KEEPS THE PUBLIC AND OTHER FOLKS WHO DO SHOW UP FOR THE PRE MEETING END UP HAVING TO WAIT.
WELL, WE HAVE DINNER. OR HAVE A BREAK IN TIME, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO THE PUBLIC. I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO OUR DEVELOPERS WHO COME HERE AND AS AND IT IT GIVES WHEN YOU HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE BY THE WAY, WE'RE NOT GOING IN THERE TO TALK ABOUT THESE CASES. I THINK THAT'S AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF AN APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY. THAT'S AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT WE MAY BE GOING BACK THERE IN THAT INTERIM TIME TO TALK ABOUT CASES, WHICH WE DON'T DO, BUT BUT ANYTHING THAT REDUCES THE PUBLIC TRUST WITH WITH RESPECT TO WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE COMPLYING WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT IS PROBLEMATIC. UM IT ALSO CREATES ADMINISTRATIVE HEADACHES FOR STAFF THAT HAS TO DETERMINE WHEN THINGS WERE SAID WHERE THEY SAID IN THE PRE MEETING OR IN THE ACTUAL MEETING. AH IT'S SO I THINK WE SHOULD JUST ELIMINATE IT ALTOGETHER. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A REGULAR START TIME FOR OUR MEETING. I WOULD MOVE OUR REGULAR MEETING BACK TO SIX P.M. SO THAT IT'S A CONCERN THAT SO THAT WE'RE NOT BECAUSE ONE CONCERN IS IF YOU IF YOU MOVE THERE IF YOU STILL START THE MEETING AT SEVEN IN EVERYTHING THAT WE DID IN THE PRE MEETING THAT HALF AN HOUR OR AN HOUR OF TIME. HE WOULD EXTEND OUR EVENINGS MUCH LATER WE STARTED SIX SO THAT ON NIGHTS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE MUCH WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT 10 OR 15, OR 20 MINUTES FOR THE ACTUAL MEETING TO START. WE JUST GO AHEAD. AND HAVE OUR MEETING AND IF WE'RE DONE AT 605, THEN THAT'S AN HOUR EARLIER THAN WE WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE UNDER THE CURRENT RULES. AH AND I THINK I'LL JUST BE A MUCH SMOOTHER PROCESS. UM. SO THAT'S THE PRIMARY CHANGED THAT I'M GOING TO SUGGEST, AND I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR ANY THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS THAT ANY OF YOU HAVE ON THAT.
LET ME GO THROUGH THE, UH UM. THE TWO OTHERS, THE FIRST OF WHICH IS TO ELIMINATE THE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM . AND I WANT TO ELIMINATE THE MOTION CLOSED. WE DON'T DO IT AT
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CITY COUNCIL. THERE'S NO REASON TO DO IT HERE. CITY COUNCIL RULES PROVIDE THAT AH, A MOTION THE MAKING OF EMOTION AUTOMATICALLY CLOSES THE PUBLIC HEARING. IT REDUCES IT. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THESE ADDITIONAL VOTES, BUT IT ALSO REDUCES CONFUSION. AND FOR THE MOST PART, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALSO HAD CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE WE'VE MOVED TOO CLOSE TO PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN WE HAVE TO MOVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE THERE IS SOMEBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WANTS TO SPEAK. YOU KNOW WHO WASN'T THERE EARLIER OR WHATEVER. SO I THINK, JUST JUST ELIMINATE THAT THERE'S NO NEED TO DO IT. IT WILL MAKE IT MUCH EASIER. AND THE BIG THING THERE REALLY IS SO THAT WHEN YOU GET TO CITY COUNCIL, YOU'RE NOT UP THERE, MAKING MOTIONS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN HAVE TO BE REPRIMANDED BY THE MAYOR. THAT WE DON'T DO THAT, UM THE OTHER SUGGESTION THAT I WOULD HAVE IS MORE OF A TECHNICAL ONE ON THE CLOSING ON THE CALLING OF MEETINGS. UM I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE SOMETHING THERE TO ADDRESS. SHOT SHOT CLOCK REQUIRED MEETINGS. UM SO SOMETIMES, AND I THINK WE HAD THAT ONE ISSUE THIS YEAR. WHERE WE HAD TO HAVE IT. WE HAD TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL MEETING BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF THE SHOCK CLOCK. AND ALTHOUGH I KNOW THE CHAIR WOULD ALWAYS BE WILLING TO CAUSE CALLED SUCH A MEETING. I THINK JUST GOOD GOVERNANCE INDICATES THAT WE HAVE IF NECESSARY, YOU KNOW THE , UM THE PLANNING DIRECTOR CAN CALL A MEETING IN ORDER TO ADDRESS UM, SHOT CLOCK ISSUES. SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE MY THOSE ARE THE THREE IDEAS, BUT I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR THOUGHTS ON MY IDEAS IN HERE IN YOUR OWN IDEAS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR CHARLIE. APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER PARIS. COUPLE OF THINGS. I WANT TO GO BACK TO ADDING. THIS IS WHAT I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING FOR US TO CONSIDER IS ADDING THE PRE MEETING TO OUR BYLAWS, AS ONE OF OUR MEETINGS IS AN ASK. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? I'M NOT FINISHED. GIVE ME ONE SECOND TO ADD. AND THEN THE OTHER THING I THOUGHT I HEARD WAS THE. THE PUBLIC IS UNAWARE. OF THE TIME AND GET CONFUSED WHEN THE PRE MEETING TIMES ARE DIFFERENT. AND I KNOW THAT IN OUR. I'M GOING TO CALL IT MEETING AGENDA FOR THE PUBLIC . THE PRE MEETING TIME IS THERE SO THIS QUESTION IS FOR STAFF AROUND WHEN I'M NOT SURE HOW OFTEN YOUR MEETING WITH THE APPLICANTS. BUT ARE IS IT OFTEN THAT YOU REITERATE THAT YOUR YOUR, UM THE. THE APPLICANT WILL COME BEFORE FOR PUBLIC HEARING AT X TIME AND THEN ALSO COMMUNICATE WHEN THE PRE MEETING IS HAPPENING, SO THAT'S THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR STAFF ON THAT. THAT ONE PIECE DOES THAT. MAKE SENSE THE QUESTION? YES OKAY. MY ADDRESS. TIME ON THAT ONE, PLEASE. YES CAN YOU HEAR ME AT MOUNTAIN CAN HEAR YOU? YES YES, WE DO, AS PRACTICED THE CASE MANAGER OF EACH ZONING CASE OR WHATEVER CASE IS GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA COMMUNICATES TO THE APPLICANT. WHAT TIME THE MEETING AND THE PRE MEETING ARE . OKAY THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN THEN HERE IS MY, UH, CLARIFICATION. HERE'S MY FEEDBACK. ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED AND THEN CLARITY AROUND WHAT YOU'RE YOU'RE ASKING IN TERMS OF WHAT TO BE EITHER ADDED REVISED TO THE BYLAWS IS THAT THE PUBLIC IS AWARE OF WHEN , BECAUSE THEY'RE SEEING THE GETTING THE INFORMATION FROM STAFF. BUT THEY'RE ALSO SEEING IT IN THE PUBLIC AGENDA OF WHEN THEIR CASE IS GOING TO BE REVIEWED. AND SO I, UM, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH OUR CURRENT PROCESS WITH THAT PIECE. BUT AWARENESS IN OUR BYLAWS OF WHAT TYPES OF MEETINGS LIKE ADDING THE ADDING THE SHOT CLOCK AT BIRTH FISH THAT'S HELPFUL. UM AND THEN THE PRE THE PRE MEETING INFORMATION. I THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO US TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY BASED ON THE WHAT IS HAPPENING FOR OUR AGENDA TO ALLOW US THE TIME. TO ME BECAUSE I WOULDN'T WANT TO COMPRESS OR RUSH. WHAT WE'RE NEEDING TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE PRE MEETING OF HAVING A SET TIME. THAT'S SO CLEAR CLARIFICATION. AND I THINK OUR COMMISSIONER OFTEN TRYING TO TIME IN YEP. GO AHEAD. WE'RE GONNA HOLD RESPONSES TO THE END , WHICH IS GOING TO DO COLLECTIVELY SO EVERYONE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS SINCE WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THE ITEM THIS EVENING. EVERYONE'S JUST GOING TO PROVIDE US WITH IDEAS THAT WE CAN KIND OF MOVE ON AND THEN AT THE END COMMISSIONER ORBAN OR AS AS THE QUE PRESENTS ITSELF, SO IF YOU CHAIRMAN AGAIN, THEN HE CAN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AT THAT POINT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER OUGHT THANK[01:00:04]
YOU, MR CHAIRMAN. UM YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE VERY INTERESTING IDEAS . SOME OF THEM I CAN ABSOLUTELY GET BEHIND. ONE OF THOSE IS ELIMINATING THE CLOSING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. I THINK THAT I THINK THAT IS DEFINITELY A FAIR ASK THE SHOT CLOCK CASE THAT WAS, I BELIEVE THAT WAS WHEN WE WERE HAVING THE FLEXIBLE MEETING DAYS WHERE WE WERE HAVING SOME DAYS FOR ON MONDAYS AND SOMEWHERE ON OTHER DAYS, WE HAD TO PUT IT BACK INTO ALIGNMENT TO WHERE, UH, TO MAKE IT WHERE THINGS WERE. WHENEVER WE'VE HAD THE RIGID SAME DAYS WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THE 2ND AND 4TH. UM MONDAYS . THAT'S WE HAVEN'T RUN INTO SHOT CLOCK PROBLEMS THAT I'M AWARE OF, BECAUSE WE DID THE NOTICES AND EVERYTHING ACCORDINGLY, AS FAR AS THE ELIMINATING THE PRE MEETING. THE WAY THAT WE RUN IT. WE DON'T HAVE A SEPARATE MEETING LIKE THE COUNCIL DOES WHERE YOU HAVE WHERE IT'S KIND OF AD HOC YOU, YOU YOU YOU HAVE A LOT OF PRESENTATION FROM STAFF ON A SEPARATE NIGHT AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR FORMAL MEETING AFTERWARDS. I THINK THAT HAVING THE HAVING THE PRE MEANING MAKES IT WHERE YOU HAVE THAT DIVISION AND THERE'S QUITE A FEW CASES WHERE WE WILL ASK SOMETHING IN THE PRE MEETING AND THEN STAFF WILL GO AND GET AN ANSWER TO THAT AND HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT, AND IT'S I THINK IT HELPS TO SAVE, UM, AT THE PROTECT THE FLOW OF HOW OF HOW THE PLAN COMMISSION WORKS. AND AS FAR AS THEY'RE BEING DINNER IN BETWEEN I THINK WE GET FED ABOUT ONCE EVERY FOUR MEETINGS. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT'S NOT LIKE WITH THE COUNSELOR. IT'S EVERY SINGLE. EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. PRETTY MUCH SO IN GENERAL, I APPRECIATE GREATLY THE WAY THAT WE RUN THE MEETINGS HERE AND THE AND THE BOTH IN THE SPIRIT AND IN THE, UM BUT WE DO NEED TO ADD A FEW THINGS TO CLARIFY THINGS IN OUR IN OUR BYLAWS, BUT AS FAR AS GETTING RID OF THE PRE MEETING, I WOULD DEFINITELY NOT BE ON BOARD WITH THAT. THANK YOU, SIR.COMMISSIONER BYRNE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. UM. ON THE I'M NOT WHEN I TALK ABOUT PUTTING THERE'S NO BASIS CURRENTLY ON BYLAWS. IT'S JUST I'M NOT EVEN WELL. I'VE HEARD SOME APOCRYPHAL REASONS FOR WHY THERE IS A PRE MEETING THAT PROBABLY AREN'T VERY USEFUL TO DISCUSS HERE. BUT, UM BUT THERE'S NO BASIS FOR PRE MEETING OR FOR WORK SESSION. AH, IN THE CURRENT BYLAWS OR RULES OR ANYTHING ELSE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE THAT HAS JUST BEEN SOMEHOW ADOPTED BY CUSTOM. UM AND AH! IT'S I'M NOT. I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD ADD THE PRE MEETING. I'M SAYING WE SHOULD FLAT OUT ELIMINATE IT. AND MAKE CLEAR IN THE BYLAWS THAT THERE IS ONE MEETING WHERE WE GET STAFF PRESENTATIONS AND WHERE OTHER THINGS HAPPEN. AND ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COUNCIL HAS IN INFORMAL WORK SESSIONS, BUT THOSE WORK SESSIONS NEVER DEAL WITH. THE WORK SESSIONS ARE TO DEAL WITH OTHER ISSUES WERE OUT IN THE OPERATIONS OF THE CITY. THERE'S THERE ARE NO WORK SESSIONS ON ZONING CASES, UM OR OR ANYTHING SIMILAR TO ZONING CASES. THE WORK THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES. THE COUNCIL DOES ONLY IN REGULAR MEETINGS DOES NOT DO THEM. THEY DON'T HAVE INFORMAL MEETINGS ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT WE DEAL WITH. SO THERE'S NO REAL BASIS FOR THAT. I COULD SEE IT. IF YOU WERE MAYBE FOR THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THE COMMISSION ITSELF OPERATES, BUT OTHERWISE THERE'S NO THERE'S NO REGULAR BASIS FOR THAT KIND OF THING. OUR STAFF IS VERY GOOD AT GETTING US INFORMATION. WHEN I WAS ON THE COUNCIL, THEY GET INFORMATION DURING MEETINGS ALL THE TIME OR THEY CAN COME BACK WITH STUFF. IT'S GENERALLY NOT GENERALLY NOT PROBLEMATIC.
THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE THAT I HAVE SEEN. UM AND WHILE YES, WE DO. TELL OUR DEVELOPER. WE'VE SEEN MANY TIMES THAT YOU HAVE A HAVE AN APPLICANT WHO DOESN'T MAKE IT TO THE PRE MEETING OR MISSES THE BEGINNING OF THE PRE MEETING BUT MAKES THE MEETING. I'VE NOT ACTUALLY HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM AS TO WHY OR WHAT THE ISSUE IS. I'M CERTAINLY NOT SUGGESTING THAT STAFF HAS DONE ANYTHING WRONG THERE. BUT AS FOR THE PUBLIC UM, I THINK IT CAN BE CONFUSING BECAUSE THEY DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT THE PRE MEETING IS OR WHAT IT INVOLVES. WHAT'S ASSOCIATED THAT THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THE MEAT OF OUR DELIBERATIONS OR OUR DISCUSSIONS OFTEN OCCURS AT THE PRE MEETING AND YOU CAN SIMPLY SEE IT BY LOOKING OUT. THERE'S NO CROWD TONIGHT. BUT ON ON NIGHTS WHERE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS WHO SHOW UP AT AN ISSUE. THEY SHOW UP AT SEVEN O'CLOCK BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T HERE. THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THE PRE AND I'VE HAD PEOPLE TALK TO ME ABOUT THAT.
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THAT THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE PRE MEETING WAS A THING WHERE THEY DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT IT ENCOMPASSED. AND SO AND THOSE ARE THE FOLKS THE FOLKS WHO ACTUALLY MAKE THE EFFORT TO COME DOWN HERE. I MEAN, WE HAVE YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF KEYBOARD WARRIORS OUT THERE OR FOLKS WHO ARE HAPPY TO SIT AT HOME AND WATCH IT ON THEIR T V AND IT'S A DISSERVICE TO THEM AS WELL. WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO WHO WHO REGULARLY WATCH THESE MEETINGS AT HOME, AND THEY DON'T KNOW THEY'VE GOT TO GO. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE A SHOW THAT WOULD BE LIKE IF YOUR FAVORITE SHOW WAS ON AT 6 45 1 WEEK AND SEVEN O'CLOCK THE NEXT WEEK AND 5 30 THE WEEK BEFORE.AND THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST NOT HOW LIFE WORKS FOR PEOPLE. WE NEED TO PROVIDE THEM CONSISTENCY, WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COUNCIL ALWAYS TRIES TO DO IS CONSISTENCY, SO THEY KNOW FIRST AND YOU KNOW, FOR IN OUR CASE, 2ND AND 4TH MONDAY THERE'S GONNA BE A MEETING. IT'S GOING TO BE AT SEVEN O'CLOCK OR SIX O'CLOCK OR WHATEVER IT IS, BUT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE EFFORT TO GET UP OFF THE COUCH AND ACTUALLY COME DOWN HERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, OR BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO LISTEN TO. THEY DON'T EVERY WE CAN JUST TELL BY LOOKING AT THE AUDIENCE THEY DON'T SHOW UP AT 5 30. THEY DON'T SHOW UP, BUT SIX O'CLOCK THEY SHOW UP AT SEVEN BY AND LARGE AND THEY ARE. THEY ARE OFTEN BEWILDERED AND LEFT WITH THE FEELING THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS A MEETING BEFOREHAND IN THE MEETINGS, DIDN'T USED TO BE TELEVISED PRE MEETINGS WASN'T UNTIL ABOUT 2017 OR SO THAT THE PRE MEETINGS WERE EVEN TELEVISED. BUT THEN THEY'RE LEFT WITH THE FEELING I HAD. THIS WAS RAISED TO ME IN THE PAST TWO WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL THAT THEY FELT THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING SOMETHING SEEMED WRONG. IT SEEMED LIKE WHEN, WHEN, ONCE WE MET IN THE REGULAR MEETING PART THAT THE DEAL WAS ALREADY IN THE CAN THAT THERE WEREN'T MANY QUESTIONS THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I THINK FOR A LOT OF REASONS, WE NEED TO JUST ELIMINATE THE PRE MEETING. BUT ANYWAY, I LOOK FORWARD TO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON IT AND ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT YOU ALL HAVE, AND I APPRECIATE Y'ALL LISTENING TO ME. RAMBLE ON THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER ON OR HAPPY TO PROVIDE MORE FOR CONVERSATION ON IT RIGHT NOW. U? WE COULD HAVE IT AS THE MEETING AND HAVE IT AS STAFF PRESENTATION THAN DINNER. AND THEN AND THEN THE PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT WOULD BE OF ANY WOULD THAT WOULD BE OF ANY BENEFIT ALSO HAVE YOU'RE SAYING THERE HAVE BEEN COMPLAINTS? YOU'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT VOICE COMPLAINTS TO YOU. OKAY, I'VE I'M SORRY YEARS. NO, I APOLOGIZE. I'VE BEEN ON THIS BODY FOR 13 YEARS. I HAVE YET TO HAVE ANYBODY THAT WAS THAT WAS UPSET WITH OUR PROCESS. UH, THIS IS THE FIRST THAT I'VE I'VE HEARD OF THIS IF WE'RE TRYING TO NORMALIZE IT TO HOW THE CITY COUNCIL IS BEING PRESENTED. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BUT, UM THIS. UH I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE DYNAMIC OF HOW WE'VE BEEN RUNNING THIS AS WORKED QUITE WELL. FOR MANY YEARS THERE HAVE BEEN TOO MANY CASES WHERE THE STAFF HAS NEEDED THE ADDITIONAL TIME TO COLLECT INFORMATION TO BRING BACK TO US THAT I JUST DON'T SEE THAT CHANGING IT FROM THE DIVIDED PRESENTATION IS, UH, IS.
SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE IN ANY WAY CHANGING . AND UM, I'M. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S ABOUT ALL THAT. I CAN SAY ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD KEEP IT THE WAY THAT IT IS. THANK YOU, SIR. ORIGINAL BUT I BELIEVE YOU WERE NEXT IN QUEUE AND I ACTUALLY BUT MY MIKE IS ALREADY ON. BUT PLEASE, I'M HAPPY TO GO LATER. WHEN I JUST WANT TO RESPOND TO COMMISSIONER ART CAN TURN OUT TO ME. IT'S NOT A BRANDING ISSUE. UM IT'S A IT'S AN ISSUE OF I THINK OF UM TRANSPARENCY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE SERVING THE CITIZENS MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT'S UP. UM, SO I DON'T THINK CHANGING FOR ME. I DON'T THINK CHANGING THE NAME WOULD, UM YEAH, WOULD RESOLVE THE UNDERLYING ISSUE. BUT I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT ON THAT, AND I DO APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS ON ON THAT, BUT YES, I HAVE RECEIVED. I'VE TALKED WITH PEOPLE ABOUT IT. OVER THE YEARS. I HAVE RECEIVED COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT. I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHY? YOU KNOW THOSE COMPLAINTS. DON'T COME TO THE COMMISSION OR WHATNOT. BUT OBVIOUSLY, PEOPLE OFTEN COME TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER INSTEAD OF GOING UM TO THE COMMISSIONER, BUT YOU KNOW, NOT MAKING IT UP. COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER ROSE AND THEN I'M GOING TO INTERJECT AS WELL AND THEN COMMISSIONER PARIS JUST THE THOUGHT. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW HOW
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YOU PUT THIS IN THE CHANGE. BUT MAYBE WE NEED TO DO BETTER ADVERTISING. REGARDING THE PRE MEETING WHAT IT'S GOING TO CONSIST OF AND SO FORTH, SO THAT IF YOU ARE AN APPLICANT AND YOU SAY, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS GOING. THAT'S YOUR FAULT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T READ WHAT WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT, AND WHO'S GONNA PARTICIPATE AND SO FORTH. JUST MORE INFORMATION OUT THERE RATHER THAN SAYING THERE'S A PRE MEETING. THANK YOU, SIR. I MY COMMENTS ARE IT'S ONE. IT'S HARD TO LEGISLATE. SO THE FACT THAT YOU SPENT TIME DOING? THIS IS SIGNIFICANT. YEAH. THE THESE REFLECT THOUGHT. AND ATTENTION TO DETAIL AND CARE. AND CERTAIN AH, SECTIONS AND ARTICLES. I THINK I COULD AGREE WITH SPECIFICALLY ARTICLE 10 SO SURPRISED THAT THERE'S NO AH, EXISTING ARTICLE LIKE THAT IN THE BYLAWS. UM I THINK IT'S UH, THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT AGAIN, AND HAVING THE DISCUSSION IS TO ALSO HAVE A CHANCE TO REALLY REVIEW EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED HERE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING A CHANCE TO DIGEST EVERYTHING AND COMING BACK WITH WITH SOME MORE INPUT AND INSIGHT. SO THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER PARIS THANK YOU.ONE MORE THING FOR US TO CONSIDER IS WHERE IS THAT THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION IS ABOUT REMOVING OR ELIMINATING THE PRE MEETING. I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE JUST BECAUSE IT WAS CITED EARLIER OR JUST IN TERMS OF FEEDBACK FROM THE FROM OUR CITIZENS AND FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THE EXAMPLE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WITH DISTRICT THREE CASE AND I DO REMEMBER WHEN WE HAD A LARGE IT WAS THE WATER. LOT OF YOU WATERHOUSE AREA AND CITIZENS REACHED OUT AND UM, WAS ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THAT THERE IS A PRE MEETING THAT THAT DISCUSSES AND WE HERE WE UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT IS NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED OR UNDERSTOOD. THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS BECAUSE THE WAY THE CITIZENS ARE COMMUNITY KNOWS ABOUT THIS MEETINGS AS THEY LOOK AT THE AT THE PUBLIC AGENDA. THE PUBLIC AGENDA INCLUDES THE FREE MEDIA, AND THEN WHAT THE REASON AND WHY IT SAYS ON HERE IF YOU WILL INCLUDE ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT NEEDS TO BE SET FORTH ARE REVIEWED BELOW, YOU KNOW, REVIEWED AND SO UM, THAT VISIBILITY. YOU KNOW HOW HOW ARE THEY BEING VISIBLE TO WHATEVER TYPE OF MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE OUR THROUGH OUR PUBLIC AGENDA WHERE WE CAN BE, MAYBE HIGHLIGHTED OR WHATEVER, BUT I THINK IT'S USEFUL TO HAVE IT IS THE PLAN COMMISSIONS WORKING SESSION, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE COUNCIL. BUT I THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO HEAR THE INFORMATION NOW NOT EVERYBODY WILL SHOW UP AT THE PRESCRIBED TIME BECAUSE EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT SCHEDULES IN TERMS OF THE PUBLIC. BUT THE I THINK THE INTENT AND WE'RE AH , COMMISSIONER ALVIN WAS GOING WHICH I AGREE WITH IS VISIBILITY TO THE PUBLIC LIKE DO DO I CITIZENS? ARE THEY AWARE THAT IS HAPPENING AND WHAT INFORMATION IS BEING SHARED IN THAT VENUE AND VISIBILITY TO IT? I THINK IT'S HAPPENING. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT THERE IS I KNOW THAT THERE ARE EXAMPLES WHERE THEY'RE NOT AWARE OF IT. AND COMMUNICATION TO THIS IS WHEN IT'S HAPPENING, IT'S HAPPENING IN THE PUBLIC AGENDA. AND I THINK THAT WILL HELP.
SUFFICE BOTH THE BOARD BEING ABLE TO BE, UH, TO HEAR MORE COMMENTARY AND ASK ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BE HAVE OUR OWN PRE MEETING AND THIS IN THE CITIZENS ARE BEING AWARE OF IT THROUGH THE YOU KNOW, DO THEIR REVIEW OF THE PUBLIC AGENDA, SO AND THEN, UM, AND THIS IS MAYBE A PART THAT ALSO HELPS IF THERE ARE NEW COMMISSIONERS COMING ON BOARD. IT'S ALSO ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IN THAT PRE MEETING OF ANY ADDITIONAL DETAILS AS WELL AS STAFF, SO I THINK IT'S JUST A SHARE OF THAT ENCLOSING. I KNOW I WAS A LITTLE LONG WINDED. IS THAT OUR CITIZENS? THEY HAVE VISIBILITY TO IT. IT'S JUST REMINDING THEM THAT IT'S IN THE PUBLIC. IT'S IN THE PUBLIC AGENDA. I'M LOOKING AT IT HERE. UM AND THEY CAN FLEX THEIR TIME IS NEEDED. IF IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR THEM TO BE HERE IS EARLY AS IT'S REQUIRED. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SHARE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER PARIS SO THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? IF NOT THANK YOU FOR THE SPIRITED CONVERSATION. THANK YOU AGAIN. COMMISSIONER ARVIN FOR PRESENTING, UH THE BYLAWS. I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE IN MY TIME HERE. WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION ON THOSE BAYLIES. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, AND IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS MR CHAIRMAN HAD ONE THING. YEAH IF YOU'RE GOING TO SEND WRITTEN RECOMMENDATIONS FOR AMENDMENTS, IF YOU COULD GET THEM TO ME
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WITHIN A WEEK, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THAT WAY. I CAN TURN THEM AROUND AND GET THEM BACK OUT TO THE ENTIRE COMMISSION FOR THE NEXT GO ROUND WITHIN THE THREE DAYS NEEDED. BUT THE DEADLINE MAYBE MONDAY NEXT. IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, NOT SUGGESTING THAT YOU'RE AN OVERWORKED PUBLIC SERVANT, AREN'T YOU WOULD NEVER ALRIGHT. WELL THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS THIS EVENING.THIS CONCLUDES TONIGHT'S MEETING. OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING IS MONDAY, APRIL 10TH 2023 WE THANK YOU FOR JOINING
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