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YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND START? YEP.

HELLO EVERYBODY.

[Environmental and Community Advisory Board on May 10, 2023. ]

I GUESS WE SHOULD TAKE ROLL.

JIM.

JIM DOBBINS, DISTRICT ONE AFTERNOON DEAN, DISTRICT TWO, MURIEL VILLA LIAISON.

BOB BRUNS, DISTRICT THREE.

EDDIE ROBERTS, DISTRICT FIVE.

ROB KYLE, DISTRICT EIGHT, KEN RICHER MAYORS, APPOINTEE PRESSING.

ALL RIGHT.

EVERYBODY READ THE MINUTES? YES.

YEP.

ANYBODY WANNA APPROVE THEM? YEAH.

MOVE TO, UH, MOVE TO ACCEPT THEM AS WRITTEN.

SECOND, SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH.

AYE, AYE.

AYE.

I AYE.

ALL RIGHT.

NOW, DON'T I HAVE TO READ THIS PUBLIC COMMENT THING? YOU SURE DO.

I JUST LOVE THAT.

THANK YOU.

PERSONS WHO DESIRE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD AT ANY TIME ON THE AGENDA ARE ALLOWED.

THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

TESTIMONY MAY BE HELD UNTIL THE ITEM AS CONSIDERED OR GIVEN THE BEGINNING OF ANY BOARD MEETING.

INVITED TESTIMONY MAY ALSO OCCUR AT ANY TIME SUBJECT TO A REQUEST FROM A MEMBER OF THE BOARD WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE BOARD CHAIRPERSON.

THAT'S IT.

WILL, IT'S ON YOU.

ALRIGHT.

YES, SIR.

MR. SHANNON, THE SCOOT.

THIS ONE OVER LITTLE BIT NEED TO PICK IT UP, RIGHT? YEAH, YOU THE ONE.

OKAY.

THIS ONE DEFINITELY WORKS HERE.

OKAY.

I'LL JUST TRY TO SCOOT THE LAPTOP A LITTLE THIS WAY.

OKAY.

IS THAT BETTER? YES.

PERFECT.

ALL RIGHT.

LET'S SEE.

LET ME PULL THIS UP HERE.

GET THIS GOING.

AND F FIVE.

CAN YOU ALL SEE THAT ON YOUR SCREENS? OKAY, GREAT.

WELL, UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME.

MY NAME IS WILL GARRON.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT HERE AT THE CITY AND OVERSEE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

AND, UM, IF YOU'VE BEEN TO SOME COUNCIL MEETINGS OR WATCHED THEM ON THE WEBSITE OR ON THE LOCAL GARLAND TV, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN ME PRESENTING ZONING CASES AND THE LIKE.

UM, AT JUST ABOUT EVERY COUNCIL MEETING, WE'VE ALWAYS GOT ZONING CASES ON THE AGENDA.

SO, UH, SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT I, WHAT I DO.

I'LL, UM, KINDA GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE DEPARTMENT AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR, UM, HIGH LEVEL VISION, WHICH IS OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH MOST CITIES HAVE SOME TYPE OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IT'S CALLED THE ENVISION GARLAND PLAN.

I'LL TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN, UM, I WAS TOLD THAT, UM, THE COMMITTEE HAD SOME INTEREST IN, UM, AUTO USES AND HEARING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

SO I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, ZONING AS IT PERTAINS, PERTAINS TO AUTO USES, WH WHERE THEY'RE ZONED TO BE ALLOWED, WHERE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED, WHERE THEY MAY BE ALLOWED BY S U, YOU KNOW, SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT HAS TO GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL THROUGH A ZONING PROCESS.

UM, AND THEN I'LL KIND OF TALK ABOUT A, A FEW THINGS THAT KIND OF ADDRESS, UM, MAYBE AUTO USES MOVING FORWARD, KIND OF SOME, SOME, UM, UM, IDEAS AND, AND, UM, DIRECTION THAT WE'RE KIND OF GETTING FROM, FROM THE COUNCIL.

SO, UM, THAT'S JUST KIND OF A LITTLE SNEAK PEEK OF WHAT I'LL TALK ABOUT, BUT, UM, I'LL JUST JUMP RIGHT INTO IT.

AND THAT IS NOT MOVING.

IS IT NOT MOVING ON Y'ALL'S END? NO, IT IS NOT.

HMM.

HOW LOT NOW? OKAY.

YEAH.

BETTER.

OKAY.

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UM, SO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS REALLY COMPRISED OF TWO, UH, WELL, TECHNICALLY THREE DIVISIONS.

I HAVE, UH, SOME AD ADMINISTRATIVE PERSONNEL, BUT THE CORE OF IT IS REALLY TWO AREAS.

THERE'S DEVELOPMENT PLANNING, WHICH IS OUR ZONING CASE, UM, REVIEW, UM, WHERE I'M STANDING IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS PRESENTING GOOD ZONING CASES.

THOSE ARE TYPICALLY ZONING CASES THAT ARE, OR ZONING REQUESTS MADE BY DEVELOPERS OR SOME TYPE OF APPLICANT.

UM, OF COURSE, PERMITTING REVIEW, SUBDIVISION PLAT REVIEW, JUST GENERAL ADMINISTRATION OF THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND, UM, WE FACILITATE PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS.

WE'RE OFTENTIMES REALLY THE FRONT DOOR, UM, FOR DEVELOPERS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN GARLAND.

SO WE KIND OF KICK OFF THAT PROCESS AND GIVE THEM ALL THE REQUIREMENTS UP FRONT AND, UM, TELL 'EM WHAT KIND OF THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PROCESS LOOKS LIKE MOVING FORWARD.

UM, WE DO ADDRESSING AS WELL IN DEVELOPMENT PLANNING, ISSUING BUILDINGS, NEW ADDRESSES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND THEN THERE'S THE LONG RANGE, UH, PLANNING DIVISION.

UM, THAT'S WHERE KIND OF THE ENVISION GARLAND PLAN CAME OUT OF, UM, SMALL AREA PLANNING.

SO IF WE HAVE A, A SITE OR PARTICULAR AREA OF GARLAND WHERE WE'RE DOING A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN OF SOME KIND.

UH, OF COURSE WE WORK CLOSELY WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND, AND, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS AND WHATNOT.

BUT THOSE SORT OF SMALL AREA PLANS, AS WE CALL 'EM, UM, COME OUT OF THAT SHOP.

MY, MY LONG RANGE PLANNING SHOP, UM, GIS, OF COURSE THAT'S MAPPING AND, YOU KNOW, ANALYSIS, THINGS OF THAT SORT AND POPULATION AND DEMOGRAPHICS AS WELL.

UM, WHEN WE ACTUALLY DID THE REDISTRICTING, THE NEW DISTRICTS WERE, WERE, UM, DEFINED THAT, UM, WAS AN EFFORT THAT MY STAFF FROM THE LONG RANGE PLANNING, UM, DID.

AND WE BROUGHT FORWARD TO COUNCIL.

WE ALSO WORKED

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CLOSELY WITH SEAN TAPLIN FROM THE GIS DEPARTMENT.

BUT, UM, THAT'S KIND OF AN EXAMPLE OF, UM, JUST A FEW THINGS OF WHAT WE DO.

UM, THIS IS JUST A SNIPPET FROM THE ENVISION GARLAND PLAN.

THE, UM, STATEMENT IN IT, UH, HAS A, A VISION FOR 2030.

THIS PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN 2012.

WE ARE DUE FOR AN UPDATE, SO THAT ACTUALLY IS ONE OF MY BUDGET REQUESTS THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR FOR, UH, TO DO A, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, WHICH IS QUITE A, UM, A TASK AND PROCESS, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE DUE FOR IT.

BUT THE VISION STATEMENT IN THE IN GARLAND'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE GUIDES GROWTH AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, LAND USE AND INFRASTRUCTURE DECISIONS, UM, IT READS IN 2013, GARLAND IS A COMMUNITY THAT BLENDS OLD AND NEW INTO A DISTINCTIVE DESTINATION FOR PEOPLE AND BUSINESSES.

WE SUCCESSFULLY ADAPT TO CHANGING NEEDS AND BENEFIT FROM NEW OPPORTUNITIES, STRENGTHENING OUR IDENTITY AS A SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY WITH A HOMETOWN FIELD.

WE ARE A COMMUNITY KNOWN FOR OUR APPEALING NEIGHBORHOODS, GLOBALLY CONNECTED BUSINESS HUB, BEAUTIFUL PARKS, ACTIVE LAKEFRONT AND NATURAL AREAS.

AND SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE, UM, ADDRESSED AND ENVISIONED GARLAND PLAN ARE CHAPTERS, IN OTHER WORDS, ARE LAND USE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOODS, TRA UH, TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

THAT INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, BICYCLES, UM, TRAILS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, NOT JUST TRANSPORTATION FOR AUTOMOBILES, UH, COMMUNITY DESIGN AND IMPLEMENTATION.

AND SO A LOT OF EFFORTS CAME, UH, AND IMPLEMENTATION, UM, UH, ITEMS CAME ABOUT AS A RESULT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE PLAN.

UM, AND WHAT HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS HELP, OF COURSE, WAS THE BOND APPROVAL IN 2019 THAT THE COUNCIL ISSUED.

THE VISION GARLAND PLAN TALKS A LOT, A LOT ABOUT AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, BOTH PUBLIC STREETS, PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, AND, AND PRIVATE, YOU KNOW, SHOPPING CENTERS AS WELL THAT HASN'T AGED WELL.

AGAIN, THIS PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN 2012, BUT, UM, THE BOND MONEY FROM, FROM CITY COUNCIL OR FROM THE VOTERS REALLY, UM, HAS, HAS HELPED TREMENDOUSLY.

AND A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN VISION GARLAND, THIS IS JUST A KIND OF WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP LOOKS LIKE.

VERY COLORFUL, BUT EACH COLOR REPRESENTS A DIFFERENT LAND USE.

AND WE, UM, IT'S USED TO KIND OF GUIDE ZONING DECISIONS WHEN THERE'S ZONING REQUESTS.

THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS MY STAFF AND I LOOK AT IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

WHAT DOES IT SAY IF SOMEONE'S REQUESTING TO ZON SOMETHING TO MULTIFAMILY OR COMMERCIAL, OR TO INDUSTRIAL, OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

UM, SO I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ZONING AND THEN I'LL, UM, TRANSITION INTO HOW, HOW THIS PERTAINS TO AUTO USES.

SO, UM, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT ZONING IS EXACTLY, OR JUST AS A REMINDER OR, OR AS A BRIEFING, UM, ZONING DIVIDES DIVIDES THE CITY INTO DISTINCT DISTRICTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF ENSURING COMPATIBLE LAND USE PATTERNS, MINIMIZING CONFLICTS BETWEEN USES, PROTECTING PROPERTY VALUES, AND ENHANCING THE URBAN ENVIRONMENT.

UH, IT, IT INVOLVES THE DESIGNATION OF ALLOWABLE USES ON ATTRACTIVE LAND.

UM, STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS ALLOW MUNICIPALITIES TO IMPLEMENT ZONING AND LAND USE LAWS.

AND TYPICALLY THE FINAL DECISION ON A REZONING, UH, REQUEST IS MADE BY THE CITY OR TOWN COUNCIL.

AND GARLAND IS NO EXCEPTION.

UH, OUR CITY COUNCIL HAS, UM, ULTIMATE ZONING APPROVAL AUTHORITY, UM, JUST A HIGH LEVEL SNAPSHOT OF WHAT THE ZONING PROCESS LOOKS LIKE.

THIS IS IF A DEVELOPER APPLICANT IS WANTING TO REZONE A PROPERTY, IN OFTEN CASES MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, TO ALLOW A PARTICULAR LAND USE THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT.

UM, OF COURSE, IF A USE IS ALREADY ALLOWED BY WRIGHT, FOR INSTANCE, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO OPEN A RESTAURANT OR SOME KIND OF SHOP IN A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, THE ZONING IS ALREADY THERE.

THEY PROBABLY DON'T EVEN REALLY NEED TO TALK TO MY STAFF AND I, THEY CAN JUST GO STRAIGHT TO THE BUILDING INSPECTION DEPARTMENT AND, AND PULL THEIR PERMIT AND, AND GET THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.

UM, BUT IF A REZONING IS NEEDED, UM, THEY TYPICALLY START WITH A PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING, UH, WITH MY STAFF AND I, AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS IN THE ROOM ON THAT.

THAT INVOLVES, ACTUALLY, SANITATION IS ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS, UM, CUZ THEY LOOK AT DUMPSTER LOCATIONS.

UM, IT'S AMAZING HOW MUCH, UH, THE LOCATION OF A DUMPSTER AND, AND HOW TRUCKS ACCESS IT AFFECT, UM, A SITE LAYOUT.

AND THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ACTUALLY REQUIRES DUMPSTERS TO BE LOCATED AS, AS FAR BACK BEHIND A BUILDING AS POSSIBLE, UM, TO KIND OF SHIELD IT FROM PUBLIC VIEW AND, UH, EVEN ORIENTATION OF IT.

UH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN BE A, A CHALLENGE WHEN MAKING SURE THAT, UM, THE, THE, UH, TRUCKS CAN, CAN ACCESS IT AND GET THEIR 40 FEET OF CLEARANCE AND ALL THAT.

UH, BUT IT INVOLVES FIRE ENGINEERING, BUILDING INSPECTION, UM, AND SOMETIMES THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, IF A RESTAURANT IS BEING PROPOSED OR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH A SWIMMING POOL.

UH, BUT MULTIPLE DEPART, MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS MEET WITH, UM, POTENTIAL APPLICANTS AND TALK ABOUT KIND OF THEIR IDEA THEY HAVE AND IF THEY HAVE A PATH OR WHAT THAT PATH LOOKS, LOOKS LIKE MOVING FORWARD.

UM, IF A, AN APPLICANT WANTS TO PROCEED WITH A REZONING, THEY FORMALLY, UH, SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATION, UM, STAFF REVIEWS IT.

UM, MOST OF THE TIME IN GARLAND WE HAVE,

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I WON'T GET TOO MUCH INTO DETAIL ON THIS, BUT WE HAVE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS AND SUVS, AND THOSE TYPICALLY COME WITH SOME TYPE OF SITE PLAN.

SO USUALLY WHEN YOU SEE ME UP THERE PRESENTING TO COUNCIL, I'M USUALLY SHOWING SOME KIND OF SITE PLAN AND BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

SO WE REQUIRE THAT IN GARLAND UP FRONT, UM, WITH THOSE TYPES OF ZONING CASES.

SO SOMETIMES THAT TAKES TIME.

WE ROUTE THOSE OUT TO, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, UM, ENGINEERING, FIRE, UM, SANITATION, UM, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

AND SO THEY REVIEW IT ONCE IT'S GOOD TO GO, WE SCHEDULE IT THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH THEY'RE THE, UM, RECOMMENDING BODY TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

THAT IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

WE MAIL OUT NOTIFICATION LETTERS TO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS OF THAT SITE BEING REQUESTED TO BE REZONED WITHIN 400 FEET.

UM, WE DOUBLE STATE LAW.

ACTUALLY, THE STATE LAW ONLY REQUIRES 200 FEET.

WE DOUBLE THAT.

AND WE, THAT'S NOT JUST A UNWRITTEN POLICY THAT ACTUALLY IS IN THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT WE REQUIRE OURSELVES TO NOTIFY OUT 400 FEET.

UM, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN SOME GREEN KIND OF TENNIS BALL, GREEN COLORED ZONING SIGNS AROUND TOWN.

WE ACTUALLY CHANGED THE COLOR OF THOSE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, ADDED A QR CODE AND WHATNOT.

BUT THE COLOR WAS PURPOSEFUL.

WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE MORE NOTICEABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

I'VE, UM, I LIVE, UH, I LIVE IN DALLAS, BUT I'LL DRIVE THROUGH AREAS OF CARROLLTON AND RICHARDSON AND PLANO OFTENTIMES.

AND I'VE NOTICED THEIR ZONING SIGNS JUST KIND OF OUTTA CURIOSITY.

AND IT, IT, UH, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY'RE NOT REAL NOTICEABLE.

THEY'RE USUALLY KIND OF SMALL AND MAYBE JUST KIND OF WHITE AND RED, RED INK OR RED LETTERING.

BUT ANYWAY, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THOSE REALLY POP.

UM, THERE'S SOME OTHER NOTIFICATION PROCEDURES WE DO AS WELL, BUT THOSE ARE KIND OF THE MAIN ONES.

UM, SO IT GOES TO THE PLAIN COMMISSION.

IT'S A FULL PUBLIC HEARING OVER IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

UH, THEY ULTIMATELY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, AND IF THEY APPROVE, IT COMES BACK FOR THE FINAL ORDINANCE ADOPTION.

MM-HMM.

.

UM, OKAY.

SO AS IT PERTAINS TO AUTO USES, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE THAT.

OKAY, I'VE TAKEN A SNAPSHOT OF THE LAND USE MATRIX FROM THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THIS IS FROM THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

SO THIS SHOWS, UM, I, I'VE SPECIFICALLY KIND OF CUT AND PASTED THE, UM, AUTO AUTOMOBILE RELATED USES.

THE LAND USE MATRIX HAS A WIDE CATEGORY OF RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT, INSTITUTIONAL, ET CETERA, INDUSTRIAL.

BUT THESE ARE THE AUTO RELATED USES.

SO YOU CAN SEE IN THIS LANE USE MATRIX, THE LIST OF USES ON THE LEFT ON THE TOP ARE THE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS IN GARLAND.

UM, AND SO IF THE CELL IS BLANK, THAT MEANS IT IS NOT ALLOWED IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, SF FIVE, THAT SINGLE FAMILY FIVE, UM, NONE OF THOSE USES ARE ALLOWED AND, AND A SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT.

UH, BUT AS YOU GET FURTHER TO THE RIGHT, THAT'S WHERE THE COM YOU GET INTO COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL TYPE ZONING DISTRICTS.

IF IT HAS A P UH, ON IT, THAT MEANS IT IS A PERMITTED USE BY, RIGHT? SO IT DOES NOT NEED A REZONING.

THEY CAN GO, UM, DEPENDING ON WHETHER IT'S CONSTRUCTION OR NOT, THEY CAN BASICALLY GO STRAIGHT TO, UM, PERMITTING.

UM, AND THAT DOESN'T, PROBABLY DOESN'T NEED PLAN COMMISSIONER COUNSEL TO EVER SEE IT.

IT'S PERMITTED BY, RIGHT.

UH, IF THERE'S AN S THAT MEANS U UH, IT NEEDS TO GO TO THE PLAN COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL FOR AN SUS ARE BASICALLY SAYING IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT, BUT IT DEPENDS ON THE SITE.

AND, YOU KNOW, AN SUS REQUIRED THROUGH A FULL PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER REZONING, IT'S THE SAME EXACT PROCESS.

AND, UM, AND ULTIMATELY THE COUNCIL WILL DECIDE IF THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE LAND USE AT THAT LOCATION.

SO, UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE RIGHT THERE AUTOMOBILE REPAIR, MAJOR AND MINOR.

UM, MAJOR IS A BIT MORE RESTRICTED.

UM, IT'S ONLY ALLOWED BY U AND LC STANDS FOR LIGHT COMMERCIAL.

HC STANDS FOR HEAVY COMMERCIAL I N IS INDUSTRIAL.

UM, INDUSTRIAL OF COURSE, AND HEAVY COMMERCIAL TOO, FOR THAT MATTER, ARE THE MOST PERMISSIVE WHEN IT COMES TO MORE INTENSIVE USES LIKE AUTO USES AND OF COURSE, UM, INDUSTRIAL USES.

UM, AND JUST, UH, FOR CLARIFICATION, MINOR, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MINOR AND MAJOR AUTO REPAIR IS, UM, MAJOR AUTO REPAIR IS GONNA BE YOUR COLLISION REPAIR BODY WORK, UM, MAJOR KIND OF ENGINE AND TRANSMIT TRANSMISSION REPLACEMENT, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

PAINTING, AUTO AUTOMOBILE PAINTING, THAT ALL FALLS UNDER MAJOR AUTO REPAIR.

MINOR IS MORE YOUR JIFFY LUBES CHRISTIAN BROTHERS, KIND OF YOUR TUNEUPS OIL CHANGES, TIRE ROTATIONS, UM, BRAKE CHECKS, STATE INSPECTIONS, UM, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF MORE ON THE, UNDER THE MINOR AUTOMOBILE REPAIR CATEGORY.

AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S JUST KIND OF AT THE VERY WELL, YEAH, THE TOP.

AND PART OF THAT IS JUST THE CONTINUATION OF AUTOMOBILE RELATED USES.

UM, SO I CAN CERTAINLY COME BACK TO THAT IF, IF THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE.

BUT JUST TO KIND OF MOVE ON AND, AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME, SOME DOCUMENTS OUT OUT THERE THAT PERTAIN TO AUTO USES.

SO, UM, IN THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A

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DOWNTOWN AUTOMOBILE ODOR OVERLAY.

AND IT'S NOT NEW.

THIS ACTUALLY WAS ADOPTED BACK IN PROBABLY 2004, 2005, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.

AND IT'S A REALLY INTERESTING PROGRAM.

UH, BASICALLY IT'S, UM, WELL, AS THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DEFINES IT, THE DOWNTOWN AUTO AUTOMO AUTOMOTIVE OVERLAY DISTRICT ALLOWS FOR THE TRANSFER OF CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS FOR AUTOMOTIVE AND SIMILAR USES TO OTHER SITES WITHIN THE SAME ZONING OVERLAY.

SO BASICALLY WHAT IT MEANS, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE GEOGRAPHICALLY THAT BLUE, THOSE TWO BLUE AREAS, THE AUTO OVERLAY NEAR THE DOWNTOWN AREA, UM, WHERE THAT IS LOCATED.

BUT IF AN AUTO BUSINESS WANTS TO LOCATE WITHIN THE AUTO OVERLAY, UM, IT, IT CAN'T JUST OPEN AT A NEW LOCATION.

IT, IT HAS, ANOTHER ONE HAS TO CLOSE.

ESSENTIALLY IT HAS TO BE A ONE-TO-ONE, UM, UH, CLOSURE OR TRANSFER OF AN AUTO USE CREDIT.

UM, SO, SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE NET NUMBER OF AUTO USES CANNOT INCREASE.

UM, IF ANYTHING, THEY CAN ONLY DECREASE.

AND I THINK WE'VE FOUND SINCE 2004, 2005, UM, IT, IT'S NOT A LARGE NUMBER, MAYBE AROUND 10 OR SO.

UM, THERE'S MAYBE ABOUT 10 FEWER AUTO USES SINCE THE, UM, AUTO OVERLAY WAS ADOPTED.

SO IF, IF THE INTENT OF THE COUNCIL WAS TO TRY TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SLOWLY BUT SURELY KIND OF HAVE AUTO, AUTO USES START TO, UM, DISSIPATE FROM THE DOWNTOWN AREA OR GREATER DOWNTOWN AREA, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S DEBATABLE WHETHER MAYBE HAVING 10 OR FEWER IS EFFECTIVE, BUT AS A MO MOST PEOPLE WOULD, WOULD TEND TO AGREE THAT IT'S NOT, UM, AGGRESSIVE ENOUGH.

SO, UM, RIGHT NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS AS ACTUALLY A DISCUSSION AMONG THE COUNCIL IN A PARTICULAR COMMITTEE OF THE COUNCIL TO, UM, MAYBE REVAMP THE OVERLAY IN A DIFFERENT, UH, FORMAT AND, UM, MAYBE MAKE IT A BIT MORE, UM, EFFECTIVE AND, AND AGGRESSIVE.

YEAH.

YEAH.

UM, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEG STRATEGIC PLAN, THIS IS, UM, MUCH NEWER.

THE COUNCIL JUST LOOKED AT THIS AND ADOPTED IT, UH, ABOUT A MONTH OR SO AGO.

AND, UM, THERE WAS SOME COUPLE OF INTERESTING POINTS IN THERE, UH, THAT DID ACTUALLY TOUCH ON AUTOMOTIVE USES.

UM, AND THE CONSULTANT, I BELIEVE HE STOOD RIGHT HERE OR SAT RIGHT HERE AND PRESENTED THE COUNCIL, UM, BACK IN APRIL.

AND, UM, ONE OF THE VERY HIGH LEVEL THINGS THE STRATEGIC PLAN TALKS ABOUT IS THAT WE'RE, AS WE ALL KNOW, WE'RE VERY, VERY QUICKLY APPROACHING BUILDOUT IN GARLAND.

WE HAVE VERY LATE VACANT, LITTLE VACANT LAND LEFT, AND IT'S PRECIOUS, RIGHT? AND, AND THERE'S REALLY NOT EVEN A WHOLE LOT OF, UH, LARGE SITES AVAILABLE IN GARLAND.

WE, WE HAVE A FEW, YOU KNOW, 10 PLUS ACRE SITES, BUT MOST OF THE VACANT PROPERTIES WE HAVE ARE SMALL.

UM, AS, AS MY TEAM AND I WELL KNOW, UM, ODDLY SHAPED LOTS.

THAT'S WHY WE OFTENTIMES SEE JUST, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S USUALLY A REASON THAT THE LAND IS VACANT.

CAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING, SOMETHING TRICKY WITH IT, IT FLOODS OR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S FLOODPLAIN ENCROACHING INTO IT, OR IT'S JUST BARELY LARGE ENOUGH TO FIT ANYTHING ON IT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT NEEDING ALL SORTS OF VARIANCES AND WHATNOT FROM COUNCIL OR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, BUT, BUT THE MESSAGE THERE IS, IS WE NEED TO BE SELECTIVE ON, ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT COMES TO GARLAND MOVING FORWARD.

ZONING DECISIONS ESPECIALLY, UM, BE A LITTLE MORE SELECTIVE.

SO KIND OF KEEPING THAT IN MIND, UM, AS IT PERTAINS, PERTAINS TO NOT JUST AUTO, AUTO USES, BUT REALLY ANY, ANYTHING FOR THAT MATTER.

UM, LITTLE STAT HERE, UH, THERE ARE ABOUT 953 ACRES OF LAND IN GARLAND USED FOR AUTOMOTIVE BUSINESSES.

UM, AND THEY'RE, UM, THEY'RE DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE CITY, OF COURSE, BUT, UM, THERE'S DEFINITELY A NOTICEABLE CLUSTER IN CERTAIN AREAS.

UM, THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NEAR KIND OF, ESPECIALLY ON THE EAST SIDE OF DOWNTOWN GARLAND, UM, SOUTH GARLAND ROAD, GARLAND ROAD HAS A, UM, QUITE A BIT OF 'EM ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET, UM, OVER TOWARDS FOREST, FOREST LANE AS YOU, UM, UH, TRAVEL WEST TOWARDS DALLAS.

UM, A LOT OF AUTOMOTIVE USES THERE.

AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BOTH AUTO REPAIR AND SALES, UH, CAR, CAR SALES LOTS AND WHATNOT.

SO, UM, OH, AND THE, I WROTE HERE STANDALONE COMMERCIAL.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS, UM, IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN, THEY LOOKED AT, UM, DIFFERENT TYPES OF LAND USES OR JUST VERY GENERAL, UM, DEVELOPMENT TYPES AND LAND USE PATTERNS AND STANDALONE COMMERCIAL, THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S A LAND USE TYPE OR BUILT OR DEVELOPMENT TYPE THAT AUTO USES FALL UNDER.

IT'S KIND OF TINY PRINT THERE UNDER THERE, BUT YOU CAN SEE AUTOMATED CAR WASHES, AUTO DISPLAY, AUTO SERVICE, ET CETERA, KIND OF FALLS UNDER THAT CATEGORY.

AND REALLY, IT, IT'S THE SORT OF STUDY AND ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE IS IT HAS A MUCH LOWER REVENUE PER ACRE VERSUS OTHER LAND USE TYPES AND DEVELOPMENT, UM, PATTERNS SUCH AS YOU KIND OF ELEVATE UP

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WITH A RETAIL STRIP, SHOPPING CENTER, LARGE FORMAT, THE REVENUE PER ACRE GOES UP.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT.

THIS IS JUST THE RETAIL SLIDE.

UM, INTERESTINGLY, SOME OF THE, THE HIGHEST, UH, REVENUE PER ACRE, UM, WELL ONE WAS DATA CENTER, I THINK THAT ACTUALLY WAS THE HIGHEST, UM, DATA CENTERS.

AND, UM, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, MULTI-FAMILY MARKET RATE, MULTI-FAMILY, NEW MULTI-FAMILY OF COURSE, UM, HAD A FAIRLY HIGH, UM, RETURN REVENUE PER ACRE.

BUT REALLY WITH THAT, UM, THAT, I JUST KINDA WANTED TO TOUCH ON THOSE THINGS.

AND, UM, REALLY FROM HERE, OP OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

THAT'S MY DIRECT CONTACT INFORMATION ON THERE.

IF YOU EVER WANNA REACH OUT TO ME WITH ANY QUESTIONS, I'VE GOT MY, THAT'S MY DIRECT NUMBER AND, UM, MY EMAIL ADDRESS AS WELL.

SO I, I HAD A QUESTION.

I LIVE IN, UM, FAR WHEEL ESTATES.

WE WERE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO WHERE THAT PROPOSED DPS FACILITY WAS SUPPOSED TO GO IN.

CAN YOU GIVE US SOME, CUZ BASICALLY THAT POPPED UP ALMOST AS A FATE COMP LEAD.

SO HOW DID THAT GET AS FAR ALONG AS IT DID? BECAUSE EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS DEAD SET AGAINST IT ALL.

.

YEAH, NO, A ABSOLUTELY.

UM, YEAH.

AND, AND AT THIS TIME THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NO LONGER PURSUING THAT SITE.

YEAH.

I WENT TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEY SAID THEY WE'RE NOT HAVING IT .

YEAH.

YEAH.

SO THEY, THEY MAY BE EXPLORING SOME OTHER SITES, BUT THEY'VE AT LEAST, UM, YOU KNOW, FINGERS CROSSED THEY'VE, THEY'VE SEEMED TO HAVE, UM, WALKED AWAY FROM THAT ONE AT LEAST.

SO, UM, YES SIR.

YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT WAS A BIG ONE OF CONCERN.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, PEOPLE REALLY DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT IT UNTIL, YOU KNOW, IT WAS TIME TO NOTIFY FOR IT FOR THE, SO DPS APPROACHES THE PROPERTY OWNER WITH THE PROPOSAL? IS THAT HOW IT WORKS? AND THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

YEAH.

THEY, THEY COME TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.

THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS INTERESTED.

UM, INTERESTINGLY WITH THAT ONE, IT WAS KIND OF A, A, A LEASE UM, ARRANGEMENT.

THE DPS, THE STATE OF TEXAS, INTERESTINGLY, HAD REALLY NO INTEREST IN OWNING THE LAND.

OKAY.

MORE OF A LEASE, UH, TYPE FORMAT.

BUT, UH, BUT YES SIR.

AND THEN THEY, UM, THEY SUBMITTED THE PLANS TO THE CITY AND, UM, THERE WERE, THERE WAS SOME, UM, COMPLICATIONS WITH, NOT COMP COMPLICATIONS, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, UH, THE UNIQUE THING ABOUT REVIEWING A, UH, CASE LIKE THAT IS, IT'S A STATE OF TEXAS.

SO, UM, WE CAN, OUR, OUR REGULATIONS, THEY COULD SUPERSEDE.

SO, UM, THERE, THERE JUST WAS SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL DIFFICULTY WITH THAT.

BUT FORTUNATELY THEY'VE, THEY'VE, UM, AT LEAST FOR NOW, KIND OF THEIR, THEIR RE WELL, I MEAN, IT'S A DRIVER'S LICENSE FACILITY, BUT WHY WOULD THEY, WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO PUT IN A TOLL ROAD? CUZ THAT SEEMED TO BE, THAT WOULD LIMIT SOME OF THE, UH, ACCESSIBILITY.

CUZ SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANT TO PAY THE TOLL TO GET THERE.

THAT'S A GREAT, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION ACTUALLY.

I REALLY HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THE TOLL ROAD ASPECT OF IT BECAUSE ACTUALLY THEY, THEY, UM, WHAT THEY CONSISTENTLY TOLD US WAS THEY REALLY WANT TO BE ON SH ONE 90.

THEY, THEY REALLY WANT A LOCATION IN NORTH GARLAND.

THEIR INTENT IS TO CLOSE THE SUPER CENTER OR SUPER AM I TRYING MEGA CENTER, SUPER CENTER, THE MEGA CENTER IN SATURN AREA, UH, SATURN MARKETPLACE AREA.

AND, UM, THAT WOULD BE THE NEW LOCATION.

SO, UM, THAT, THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.

WHY, WHY S H 180? IT IS A TOLL ROAD.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

SO, HMM.

EXCUSE ME.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

YES, MA'AM.

I HEARD THAT THEY WERE MOVING TO HOLFORD ROAD DPA.

OKAY.

UM, I, I'M NOT SURE THEY MAY BE LOOKING AT THAT SITE.

UH, I, I'M, I'M ACTUALLY NOT SURE, BUT, UH, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY NEW FORMAL PLANS IN MY, MY DEPARTMENT.

I MOVE TO HOLFORD ROAD.

OKAY.

KIND OF BEHIND TARGET.

OKAY.

OKAY.

AND MY NEXT QUESTION IS, WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THAT DPS BUILDING WHEN, IF THEY MOVE OUT MM-HMM.

IN SOUTH GARLAND? YEAH.

UH, THAT'S CERTAINLY A CONCERN THAT, THAT WE EXPRESSED, UH, TO THEM.

AND ACTUALLY EVEN OUR, OUR CITY MANAGER EXPRESSED TO, UM, TO THEM IS WE'RE KIND OF LEFT WITH A POTENTIALLY VACANT BUILDING IN SOUTH GARLAND.

THAT, THAT IS A CONCERN.

WE NEED MORE VACANT BUILDINGS IN SOUTH GARLAND.

MM-HMM.

MM.

YEAH.

YEAH.

WELL'S GOT MORE ROOM FOR OIL CHANGE PLACES.

, I'M USE TIRES, LIQUOR STORAGE CHECKING OR WASS HOMELESS SHELTER.

YEAH, THERE YOU GO.

PLASMA CENTERS.

YES.

WE GOT TWO OF 'EM IN SOUTH GARLAND.

ALL I HAVE A QUESTION ON YOUR, ON YOUR PLANNING, ARE THERE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD GO TO COUNCIL WITH AND SAY, OR ORDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SAY YOU SHOULD PURSUE THIS MM-HMM.

, SO, UM, SORT OF BEING REACTIONARY AND WAITING FOR SOMETHING TO COME TO YOU GUYS.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

UM, YES.

ACTUALLY WHEN I, I MENTIONED EARLIER KINDA THE SMALL AREA PLANS THAT WE DO, REDEVELOPMENT PLANS, OFTENTIMES PART OF THAT, IT, IT STARTS KIND OF WITH THE, THE PLANNING AND THE VISIONING OF RE-IMAGINING MAYBE A, A SHOPPING CENTER THAT'S KIND OF UNDERPERFORMING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT REALLY ONCE WE KIND OF WRAP UP SORT OF THE PLANNING AND VISIONING PART OF IT, WHICH MY TEAM AND I PRIMARILY, UM, ARE CHARGED WITH, WE THEN TRANSITIONED OVER TO MS. SCHUSTER, YAKO SCHUSTER, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT

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DIRECTOR AND HER TEAM.

AND OF COURSE THEY WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH US AND, AND ANY PROPERTIES WE'RE WORKING WITH ON THE PLANNING SIDE OF IT TOO.

BUT THAT'S WHERE WE KIND OF MAKE THAT TRANSITION ON, UM, YOU KNOW, FINDING OUT WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS, WHAT'S THE GAP, UM, IN TERMS OF, UM, ANY COST OF THE CITY MAY NEED TO PARTICIPATE IN.

AND ALSO, UM, TRYING TO FACILITATE MAYBE GETTING SOME INTERESTED DEVELOPERS PUTTING OUT AN R F P FOR, UM, INTERESTED DEVELOPERS.

UM, E EACH SIDE IS DIFFERENT, MAY HAVE, MAY ALREADY HAVE SOME INTERESTED DEVELOPERS AT THE TABLE IN OTHER CASES THAT MAYBE SOMETHING WE'RE COMPLETELY LEADING AND MAYBE WE GO OUT AND DO AN RFP.

UH, BUT YES, THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE WOULD DO IT MORE ON A PROACTIVE STANDPOINT.

UH, SOME ZONING CASES ACTUALLY ARE INITIATED BY THE CITY.

SOMETIMES WE, FOR WHATEVER, FOR WHATEVER REASON, IF IT'S FOLLOWING A PLAN, AND WE DON'T, THE CURRENT ZONING JUST DOES NOT AT ALL ALIGN WITH WHAT WE INTEND FOR THE PROPERTY.

OFTENTIMES, WE, WE WILL GO IN AND, AND, UH, WE'LL STILL PUT IT THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS NOTIFICATIONS OF PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT WE'RE KIND OF MORE OUR OWN APPLICANT, UM, ON THAT.

SO WE, WE OFTENTIMES DO THAT.

AND THEN, UM, OF COURSE FOR REACTIONARY, UM, ITEMS FROM, FROM PRIVATE DEVELOPERS AND APPLICANTS, OF COURSE STAFF MAKES A RECOMMENDATION.

SO IF, IF IT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T FEEL ALIGNS WITH THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN OR IS, UH, UH, INAPPROPRIATE LAND USE THERE, UM, OFTENTIMES WE'LL RECOMMEND DENIAL.

UM, AND THEN THE PLAN COMMISSION CAN THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL AS WELL.

MM-HMM.

, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, UM, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR DEPARTMENT DOES THAT OR, OR IF IT'S EVEN BEEN BEING DONE IN GARLAND, BUT IS ANYBODY SEEING WHETHER EACH DISTRICT HAS A A A A FOOD PRODUCE STORE MM-HMM.

BANKING FACILITIES MM-HMM.

EMERGENCY CARE WITHIN EACH OF THOSE DISTRICTS? RIGHT.

ANYBODY DOING THAT? HMM.

THAT, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

I, I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD DIRECTLY ANSWER THAT, YOU KNOW, YES OR NO, BUT I KNOW THAT IT IS, UM, RECOGNIZED THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, DISTRICT THREE DOES NOT HAVE A GROCERY STORE, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE CLOSING OF THE HOSPITAL AND, YOU KNOW, VA OPENED, BUT THAT'S STILL LEFT, UH, LEFT A GAP THERE FOR MEDICAL FACILITIES.

SO, UM, ALBERTSONS, UH, YEAH, YEAH, MAYBE THAT'S, YEAH, I THINK IT'S THE SINGLE LAST ONE NEAR, UM, BROADWAY.

BROADWAY AND YES, SIR.

OKAY.

YEAH.

THAT'S TRUE.

YEAH.

I GUESS I WAS THINKING MORE KIND OF, UM, CLOSER DOWN TO I 30, THAT AREA KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A KROGER ACROSS THE STORE IS ON 30.

TRUE.

BUT DO YOU KNOW THAT THOSE STORES ALSO SERVE ALL OF SUNNYVALE? YEAH.

SUNNYVALE HAS NOT ONE STORE OF ANY KIND.

YEAH.

I'VE LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 30 YEARS AND THERE'S NOTHING OVER THERE.

YEAH.

YEAH.

RIGHT.

MM-HMM.

.

YEAH.

THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

I WAS, IF IF NONE OF YOU GUYS HAVE GONE THROUGH THE WHOLE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WE DID JUST RECENTLY, AND I WAS FASCINATED AT EVERYTHING, YOU'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH HIS DEPARTMENT, WORKED THROUGH, THERE WAS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A, A MULTIPURPOSE, UM, KINDA LIKE A HIGH END APARTMENT COMPLEX, ABOUT 200 YARDS FROM WHERE I LIVE.

AND ALL OF THE STUFF THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING, TALKING TO STREETS, TALKING TO, UH, ENGINEERING, TALKING TO EVERYBODY IN EVERY DEPARTMENT.

IT'S FASCINATING HOW IT ALL COMES TOGETHER.

AND THEN YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'RE DEBATING IT AND THERE'S GROUPS OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT ANYTHING DEVELOPED ANYWHERE NEAR THEM.

AND THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT SAY, WELL, HERE'S THE BOTTOM LINE, IT'S THIS OR WHAT ELSE? THE WORST.

YES.

AND IF YOU FIND SOMETHING, AND THESE GUYS WERE REALLY GOOD ABOUT FRAMING IT IN SUCH A WAY THAT FINALLY MAYOR, FORMER MAYOR DOBSON CAME IN AND, AND THREW THE, THE, THE LAST PITCH AT HIM AND SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS LIKE 46 PEOPLE THAT DID NOT WANT THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AND MY POINT TO HIM WAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE A JIFFY LUBE, IT'S GONNA BE A CAR WASH.

IS THAT WHAT YOU REALLY WANT? BUT LET 'EM BUILD SOMETHING HIGH END.

IT'LL INCREASE THE REVENUE, A STORAGE BUILDING OR A STORAGE BUILDING.

BUT, BUT ALL THE WORK THAT GOES ON BEHIND THE SCENES AND THE, AND NEGOTIATIONS, IT GOES BOTH WAYS, HUH? YEAH, IT DOES.

BUT IT'S ABSOLUTELY, IT WAS JUST, IF NONE OF Y'ALL DONE THAT, CAUSE IT'S KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON YOURS IF YOU'VE NOT BEEN THROUGH THAT PROCESS, IT'S A FASCINATING PROCESS TO GO THROUGH ANY AMOUNT OF WORK THESE GUYS HAVE TO DO TO GET ALL THE INFORMATION AND THEN PRESENT IT IN FRONT OF PEOPLE MULTIPLE TIMES SO THAT EVERYTHING COMES TOGETHER REAL SMOOTHLY.

I WAS JUST IMPRESSED BY THE PROCESS.

SURE.

NO, ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING IN THAT AS WELL.

YEAH, IT WAS FUN.

IT WAS, YEAH.

IT WAS AN EYEOPENER FOR SURE.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

YEAH.

I WAS GONNA ASK YOU ALSO THE OLD FAULKNER DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS REAL CLOSE TO ME MM-HMM.

30 BETWEEN LIKE BROADWAY AND OR 6 35 AND DES ZION ROAD N UH, THERE'S NOT A, OTHER THAN THE AREA AROUND ROSE, UH, ROSE.

ROSE ROSE, YEAH.

UHHUH .

UM, THERE'S, I KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE OF PLANNED THINGS THERE, BUT THERE'S REALLY NOTHING.

IS THAT, IS THAT LAND, IS THAT LITIGATION ALREADY DONE? OR, OR CAN THEY, YEARS AGO, CAN THEY DO SOMETHING? YEAH.

WELL IT WAS IN, IT WAS IN LITIGATION COURT FOR A LONG, LONG TIME BECAUSE THAT LAWSUIT DRAGGED ON.

SEE WHOSE NAME'S ON THE FOR SALE SIGN? FAULKNER'S

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DAUGHTER.

YEAH.

OH, OKAY.

FAULKNER REAL ESTATE.

YEAH.

OKAY.

YOU CAN BUY IT.

.

I DON'T GET MY MONEY.

.

IS THERE ANYTHING PLANNED FOR, FOR THAT AREA RIGHT THERE BETWEEN LIKE BOB, UH, ROSE HILL AND BOB TOWN? I THINK ROSE HILL AND BOB TOWN LOOKING IN A MULTI-FAMILY OVER THERE.

I, YEAH.

BUT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF I 30, UM, ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

SOUTH SIDE.

OKAY.

SO THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THAT, THAT PROPERTY IS.

THERE WAS, THERE'S STILL ALL THOSE CONCRETE SLABS THAT THEY POURED 25 YEARS AGO OKAY.

THAT THEY'VE DONE NOTHING WITH.

RIGHT.

KIND OF AT THE INTERSECTION OF ROSE HILL AND I 30 YEAH.

ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ZION.

OKAY.

AND 30.

YEAH.

NOT NOTHING ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

UM, BUT YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LIKE WHERE THE QT TRAVEL CENTER IS THERE CUZ THERE'S TO THE, TO THE, UH, EAST WEST OF THAT, THE WEST OF THE YEAH, THE QT JUST WENT UP AND A COUPLE OTHER THINGS WENT UP.

BUT YEAH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS GOING ON AROUND IT KIND OF, BUT THAT'S MORE TO THE EAST.

YEAH.

UM, RIGHT.

I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING, UM, TO THE WEST.

I MAY HAVE TO KIND OF LOOK AT A MAP AND DOUBLE, DOUBLE CHECK AND GET BACK.

AND IS THAT BECAUSE SOME OF THAT MAY STILL BE A LITIGATION? OR IS THAT ALL THAT? I'M NOT SURE.

I I, NOBODY'S COME UP WITH A PROPERTY MAY DEPEND ON THE PROPERTY.

I, I KNOW INTERESTINGLY WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN MUCH INTEREST ON, UM, KIND OF THE SOUTH CORNERS OF I 30 AND ROSE HILL.

RIGHT.

UM, THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S KIND OF JUST NOTHING REALLY HAPPENS ON THAT.

BUT IT ALSO DEPENDS ON THE OWNER IF THEY'RE ACTIVELY TRYING TO SELL IT OR NOT, UM, THAT JUST, THEY'RE WAITING FOR THAT LOTTERY TICKET PURCHASE.

YEAH.

AND, AND OFF OF THAT, IT'S VERY OBVIOUS WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING LISTED CUZ ALL, ALL OF A SUDDEN GET FIVE CALLS IN ONE DAY ABOUT A PROPERTY AND COULD IT BE REZONE FOR THIS OR THAT.

AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THEY MUST HAVE JUST LISTED THIS CUZ GETTING CALLS FROM FIVE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS ALL ABOUT THE SAME PROPERTY.

SO IT MAY JUST DEPEND ON HOW ACTIVE THE, THE OWNER AND SELLER, UM, IS.

YEAH.

I JUST NEVER SEEN ANY, ANY NEWS ABOUT THAT.

AND I WONDERED IF IT WAS STILL HAD BEEN LITIGATED OUT ON OKAY.

THAT YEAH, THAT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE LITIGATION.

I, I'M, I'M NOT AWARE.

UM, YEAH.

I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

YES, MA'AM.

QUESTION UHHUH , UM, I WAS TOLD THAT THE, UM, 6 35 PROJECT WOULD BE FINISHED AT THE END OF 24.

MM-HMM.

, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING IN WHERE THAT CONCRETE PLANT IS.

UH, IS THIS THE FORMER HYPER MART SIDE? YES.

OKAY.

UM, AT THIS TIME THERE'S NO, NO PLAN FOR IT.

UM, I, I KNOW THAT THE LONG-TERM GOAL, OBVIOUSLY IS NOT TO HAVE A CONCRETE PLANT THERE THAT IS PURELY TEMPORARY, BUT, UM, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PLAN YET.

BUT THE CITY DEFINITELY OWNS THE PROPERTY.

THE CITY OWNS THE PROPERTY.

YES.

YES.

SO THE CITY HAS SOME CONTROL ON WHAT HAPPENS THERE AND, AND WHAT THE, UM, WHAT IS, IF NOBODY HAS LOOKING AT THE ROAD COMING FROM 6 35 UP, SHILOH DRUNK PEOPLE PUT THOSE LIGHT THOSE LINES DOWN.

I WAS GONNA POST IT ON FACEBOOK AND JUST DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT, BUT I MEAN, THERE'S LIKE ONE HERE ONE THREE FEET OVER.

IT'S DEFINITELY WELCOME TO GARLAND.

MM.

SPEAKING OF EMPTY STOREFRONTS, THE EMPTY, UH, HARDWARE STORE ON THE SQUARE, ANYTHING GOING ON WITH THAT? OR IS IT GOTTEN TO THE POINT THERE SINCE I KNOW THE CITY'S PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO THE SQUARE BASICALLY FORCING THEM TO EITHER FISH OR CUT BA OR DO SOMETHING WITH IT? NOTHING I'M AWARE OF IN THAT PARTICULAR SPACE, BUT AT LEAST, UM, THE ONE ON THE SOUTHEAST THAT'S KIND OF THE OPPOSITE CORNER, THE ONE IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, THE OLD FURNITURE STORE, I THINK IT'S 500 MAIN STREET, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF TENANTS LOOKING AT CORNER.

YEAH.

THINGS ARE GOING IN THERE, BUT THAT OTHER PLACE HAS BEEN EMPTY SINCE WE MOVED HERE.

AND IT'S LIKE, THIS IS PRIME REAL ESTATE.

WHY IS IT SITTING EMPTY? YEAH.

THAT'LL TAKE A SPECIAL ZONING, SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN'T LEAVE IT SIT EMPTY FOR SUCH.

WELL, IT HAS BEEN EMPTY THAT LONG.

I MEAN, IT'S BEEN EMPTY 35 YEARS.

YEAH.

I DON'T THINK IT COULD, I DON'T, I'M SURPRISED THEY STILL HAVE POWER IN THERE.

UH, YOU TURNED THE POWER OFF ONCE THEY COULDN'T GET A PERMIT TO PUT IT BACK ON.

YEAH.

YEAH.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT CHURCHES AND INDUSTRIAL ZONES.

MM-HMM.

, WHAT THE HECK? .

OKAY.

SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE OF US WHO OPERATE BIG TRUCKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT HAVE TO SUDDENLY STOP THE PRESSES ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT OR WHENEVER THEY'RE HAVING A SERVICE IN THE CENTER OF AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.

WELL, HOW DOES THAT EVEN START TO HAPPEN? YEAH.

YEAH.

SO, UM, CHURCHES, OF COURSE I'M NOT THE ATTORNEY IN THE ROOM, BUT, BUT CHURCHES, OF COURSE THERE'S THE RO LUPA ACT, RELIGIOUS LAND USE AND INSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS AT, I'M PROBABLY MISSING THAT ACRONYM UP, BUT, UM, IT, THEY DO HAVE OF COURSE SOME, UM, KIND OF FEDERAL LAW.

YEAH.

SO OUR, UM, THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES ALLOW RELIGIOUS, UM, FACILITIES, CHURCHES, AND THE LIKE IN ANY ZONING DISTRICT.

SO THEY'RE NOT RESTRICTED SIX PARKING SPACES MM-HMM.

.

YEAH.

YEAH.

THE, THE CITY ENFORCE OTHER, OTHER RESTRICTIONS.

BUT, UM, BUT YEAH, IT'S, IN TERMS OF LAND USE, THAT'S, UM, UNLESS, UNLESS AND UNTIL A CITY ATTORNEY CHANGES AN OPINION, BUT I I, THEY NEED ANOTHER CITY ATTORNEY FOR SURE UNDERSTAND

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IT'S, THEY DO HAVE PROTECTIONS ON KIND OF WHERE THEY, UM, WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO GO.

SO YEAH, WE'RE A LIMIT.

HOW MANY DO WE NEED ACTUALLY? YEAH.

YEAH.

THAT WOULD BE NICE.

THIS SPECIAL DOWNTOWN ZONE AS I RECALL IT, UM, WHEN AN AUTOMOTIVE BUSINESS CLOSED, THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO REOPEN UNLESS THEY, UNLESS THE BUSINESS JUST CHANGED HANDS.

BUT IF THE CARS CAME OFF THE LOTS, THEN THEY WERE NEVER TO BE A CAR PLACE AGAIN.

RIGHT.

AND I KNOW AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE THAT SUED THE CITY BASED ON THAT MANY YEARS AGO.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER HAPPENED TO IT, BUT I THINK IT'S WORSE THAN IT WAS WHEN THEY STARTED THAT OVERLAY DISTRICT.

YEAH.

YEAH.

AND IN TERMS OF THE MAJOR AUTOMOTIVE, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GET A PERMIT TO GO IN ANYWHERE.

UM, WE HAVE MAYBE THREE BODY SHOPS THAT BACK UP AGAINST, UM, STORM STORMWATER CREEKS THAT DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING FOR THE VEHICLES OR THEIR EMPLOYEES.

SO WHEN THEIR EMPLOYEES COME IN THE MORNING, THEY PARK DOWN THE STREET.

UM, WHEN I WAS BUYING THE PROPERTY, I HAVE, I HAD OFFERS ON TWO OTHER BUILDINGS PRIOR TO THIS AND BOTH OF 'EM HAD TO GO TO A PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL BECAUSE THEY HAD, UM, AUTOMOTIVE USE PRIOR TO THIS.

SO YOU'VE ALREADY SPENT $5,000 ON YOUR FIR FIRST PHASE AND THEN IT'S 10 TO 25,000 AND YOU'RE STILL NOT SURE IF YOU CAN REVERSE IT.

AND I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN, THERE IS A LOT OF PROPERTY IN GARLAND THAT COULD NOT PASS A PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL BECAUSE OF THIS.

UM, IS THERE ANY THOUGHT AS TO HOW WE'RE EVER GONNA GET OUT OF THAT? WELL, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING ACTUALLY MS. SCHUSTER AND I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER AS I WAS KIND OF THINKING THROUGH THE, THE PRESENTATION.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE PROBABLY ARE A LOT OF AUTO REPAIR BUSINESSES OUT THERE THAT ONCE THEY LEAVE AND, AND THAT'S NO LONGER USED FOR THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS, UM, THERE PROBABLY IS GONNA FOR ANYTHING, THERE'S GONNA BE CONTAMINATION AND, AND, UM, YEAH.

AND IT, IT'S ULTIMATELY IT'S THE PROPERTY OWNER, MAYBE THE NEW PROPERTY OWNER, BUT WHOEVER OWNS THE PROPERTY IS, IS GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.

AND THAT'LL BE A CHALLENGE TOO FOR THE CITY IN TERMS OF REDEVELOPMENT.

CAUSE I THINK THE, SOME AREAS OF AUTO USES WOULD BE IDEAL FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, EVENTUAL REDEVELOPMENT.

AND THIS, THIS PARTICULAR AREA WAS SMALL SUPPLIERS TO RAYTHEON MM-HMM.

50 YEARS AGO.

YEAH.

AND SO THE, THE GROUND IS SERIOUSLY POLLUTED TO BEGIN WITH.

THE AUTO SHOPS AREN'T DOING ANY ANYMORE, BUT I MEAN, THERE'S NO LONGER SUPER FUNDS AVAILABLE TO CLEAN THIS SORT OF STUFF UP.

AND YOU HAVE TO WONDER WHERE THE CITY IS GONNA STOP THIS STUFF.

WHERE ARE YOU GONNA STOP IT? I MEAN, THERE ARE A FEW LOTS OVER THERE YOU CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING ON.

YEAH.

YEAH.

OKAY.

SO I GOT ONE FINAL QUESTION.

YEAH, YEAH, PLEASE.

I LIKE THE CAR.

MY BEEF IS WITH THE, WITH THE CAR WASHES.

YEAH.

MAKES, BUT I JUST KIND OF WANNA UNDERSTAND CAUSE I LIVE IN DISTRICT EIGHT MM-HMM.

, AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S ONE PRETTY CLOSE TO ME IN DISTRICT SEVEN.

SO IS THERE ANY KIND OF, AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME ALONG HALL PARK PARTNERS SUPPOSED TO BE OR THERE'S NO, HOW MANY DETERMINES THAT WHERE THEY WERE THEY, OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, A PERSON COMING IN WANTING TO GET SET UP FOR THAT? IT'S, IT'S THEIR SITE SELECTION.

THERE'S NO MINIMUM DISTANCE.

YES.

SO THAT WOULD BE UP TO, UM, AN APPLICANT.

IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN A PROPERTY, THERE'S NOTHING PREVENTING THEM FROM ASKING ABOUT THAT SITE.

NOW, IN MOST CASES, A CAR WASH DOES NEED SOME KIND OF S U UM, THE, THE MOST TYPICAL ONES ARE YOUR ROLLOVER, AUTOMATED, UM, KIND OF TUNNEL WASH.

UM, THEY OFTENTIMES GET DENIED BY CITY COUNCIL.

THEY'RE, UM, I CAN ONLY THINK OF TWO, MAYBE THREE THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, I WANNA SAY OVER THE PAST, WELL OVER THE PAST WATCH CARS IN SOUTH MARYLAND, SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS OR SO.

BUT THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER THAT HAVE, HAVE BEEN DENIED, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE CLOSE TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES JUST WITH CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE AND, AND, AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.

AND, AND NOT JUST THE NOISE FROM THE VACUUMS AND, AND THE EQUIPMENT, BUT, UM, FOLKS VACUUMING THEIR CARS OUTSIDE AND HAVING MUSIC AND THAT SORT OF THING.

SO, UM, THAT'S, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE GETTING TOUGHER AND TOUGHER TO KIND OF GET THROUGH.

AND THAT'S FROM A MESSAGING STANDPOINT, FROM STAFF TO, UM, INTERESTED APPLICANTS.

WE'RE WE'RE TELLING 'EM, YOU KNOW, JUST BE AWARE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE, THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE WE'RE NOT GONNA SUPPORT THAT AND IT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE, THAT'S GONNA BE TOUGH.

SO, AND THEY, APPLICANTS DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO PROCESS.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, BUT THAT BEING SAID, WE, WE DO CAUTION CAR WASHES WE'RE, UM, IT'S INTERESTING CAR WASHES RIGHT NOW ARE, IT'S SOME KIND OF TREND FINANCIALLY CUZ THEY'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF CALLS AND

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INQUIRIES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA BUILD A CARWASH IN GARLAND.

SO I THINK ROLLETTE WINS, I THINK THEY HAVE MORE CAR WASHES ON 66 AND WE HAVE USED TIRE STORES ON BROADWAY NOT SAYING SOMETHING.

YEAH.

I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WITH THE CITY OF GHANA? UH, EIGHT YEARS.

WHERE DID YOU COME FROM? UM, I WAS IN A SIMILAR ROLE, UH, FOR A CITY IN THE AUSTIN AREA, UH, WITH THE CITY OF HUK WAS IN THE PLANNING, UH, ACTUALLY THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, BUT THAT INCLUDED THE PLANNING, UH, DIVISION THERE.

SO I OVERSAW PLANNING AND BUILDING AND CODE ENFORCEMENT DOWN THERE.

YES MA'AM.

NOW THIS IS A REALLY NOSY QUESTION.

MM-HMM.

, SINCE YOU'RE WORKING FOR THE CITY OF GARLAND, WHY DIDN'T YOU MOVE INTO GARLAND ? UH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION NOW.

UH, A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS.

WE CERTAINLY LOOKED, BUT, UM, THOSE, UH, THIS BETWEEN THE SCHOOL MY KIDS GO TO AND, UH, MY WIFE'S UM, UH, EMPLOYER AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS WENT INTO THAT AND JUST, WE HAD TO, WE HAD TO MOVE PRETTY QUICKLY ACTUALLY ONCE I GOT THE JOB HERE, SO, YEAH.

YEAH.

BUT NO, I, I WOULD LOVE TO LIVE IN GARLANDS BAY, JUST DIDN'T AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME I HAD TO MAKE A DECISION AND YEAH.

NO, BUT I, I, I LOVE IT HERE.

I LOVE WORKING HERE AND IT HAVE A, UM, YEAH.

PASSION FOR WHAT I DO AND, AND DOING WHAT'S BEST FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

YEAH.

WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE, HU HAD A POPULATION OF MAYBE BETWEEN TWO AND 300 PEOPLE AND ANOTHER IN A SHUT DOWN COTTON GIN.

MM-HMM.

, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE HUDDLE OF THE EARLY 1980S.

HAD A MASSIVE POPULATION GROWTH, YOU KNOW, LOT OF, LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, REALLY STARTING IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, SO, YEAH.

YEP.

SO ON TO THAT POINT, LIKE WHAT ARE THE POPULATION IN DEMOGRAPHIC, LIKE TRENDS YOU SEE MM-HMM.

FOR OUR AREA? YES, ABSOLUTELY.

UM, IN SHORT, UM, WE'RE, UH, GETTING A LITTLE OLDER AND, UM, AND GETTING MORE DIVERSE.

UM, SO THAT'S A VERY HIGH LEVEL SNAPSHOT.

UM, GARLAND DOES CONTINUE TO GROW, BUT NOT QUITE AS FAST OF A RATE AS SAY THE FRISCO'S AND THE MCKINNEYS WHO OF COURSE HAVE A LOT OF VACANT LAND STILL AND, AND, UH, NEW NEIGHBORHOODS AND MULTI-FAMILY AND WHATNOT ARE, ARE COMING MUCH QUICKER IN THAT AREA BECAUSE OF ALL THE AVAILABLE LAND AND DEMAND THERE.

BUT, UM, WE ARE STILL GROWING.

UM, UM, WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED KIND OF TOUGH SITES, BUT WE ARE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SEEN A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL, UM, COME IN OVER THESE PAST TWO OR THREE YEARS.

UM, AND OF ALL KINDS REALLY SINGLE FAMILY, MULTI-FAMILY AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN TOWNHOUSES, UM, SOME OF THE KIND OF SINGLE FAMILY RENTALS.

SO WE'VE BEEN SEEING ALL, ALL KINDS OF RESIDENTIALS.

SO WE DO CONTINUE TO GROW, BUT, BUT YES.

UM, DEMOGRAPHICALLY, UM, GETTING, GETTING MORE DIVERSE, UM, KIND OF THE PERCENTAGE OF CAUCASIAN GOES A LITTLE BIT DOWN, BUT THEN OTHERS KIND OF GO A LITTLE BIT UP.

SO, UM, SO IT'S BECOMING A LITTLE MORE DISPERSED, UM, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE MORE EQUALLY.

AND THEN, UM, AGE WISE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, GETTING A LITTLE OLDER, BUT THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S KIND OF EVERYWHERE FOR THE MOST PART.

SO, YEAH.

GREAT QUESTION.

AND I KNOW BAYLOR'S GONE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE VETERANS HOSPITAL.

ANY OTHER TALKS ABOUT MEDICAL FACILITIES, HOSPITALS COMING? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT I BELIEVE, UM, NOT, MAYBE NOT A LARGE SCALE HOSPITAL THAT I'M AWARE OF.

RIGHT.

BUT THE VA, I, I BELIEVE IS, UM, AND SOME OF THE OWNERSHIP AROUND THE VA, UM, THEY'RE TRYING TO KIND OF WORK TOGETHER TO BRING MORE MEDICAL FACILITIES IN THAT AREA.

MM-HMM.

, UH, OF WHAT IS THAT WALNUT IN SHILOH.

UM, WE'RE ALSO SEEING MORE, NOT NECESSARILY LIKE YOUR 24 7 LITTLE MED CLINICS, BUT UM, UH, THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS ACTUALLY GIVEN COUNCIL APPROVAL.

THIS IS NEAR BUCKINGHAM AND JUPITER KIND OF NEAR THAT HTO, UM, THAT WAS ACTUALLY A MEDICAL CITY, UM, MEDICAL CITY DALLAS, UM, FACILITY THAT WAS KIND OF AN EMERGENCY ROOM AND WAS INTENDED TO ALLEVIATE KIND OF THE PRESSURE AND DEMAND OF, OF THE ACTUAL MEDICAL CITY HOSPITAL THERE IN, IN NORTH DALLAS.

SO, UM, SO THAT MAY, MAY BE AN INTERESTING TREND IF WE MAY SEE MORE OF THAT.

THE APPLICANT REPRESENTING MEDICAL CITY AT THAT TIME SAID, YEAH, THAT'S THIS MAY, WE MAY SEE MORE OF THESE KIND OF TRYING TO KEEP US IN GARLAND.

THAT'S SMALL TO MID MIDSIZE.

YEAH.

KIND OF SMALL TO MID-SIZE FACILITIES TO, OH, WE'LL BUILD ONE JUST FOR YOU, TO KIND OF FILL THOSE GAPS.

SO WE, WE COULD SEE MORE OF THOSE TYPES OF, UM, FACILITIES.

BUT, UM, BEYOND THAT, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.

YOU GOT METHODIST HOSPITAL IN RICHARDSON THAT KIND OF SERVES NORTH GARLAND ANYWAY, JUST BY ITS PROXIMITY.

SO THAT MAY BE WHAT'S KEEPING BIG HOSPITALS OUT OF AT LEAST THE NORTH HA END OF GARLAND.

SURE, SURE.

AND WHAT'S THEIR PROBLEM IN SOUTH GARLAND? UH, THE BAYLOR COULDN'T GET PEOPLE TO PAY THEIR BILLS.

THEY LOST MONEY, YOU KNOW, BUT WHY COULDN'T WE HAVE A HOSPITAL IN SOUTH GARLAND IS MY QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO DEMOGRAPHIC THERE.

THERE'S, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO HAVE PAY OUR BILLS.

WELL, DON'T, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY.

DON'T PAY OUR BILLS, PAY OUR BILLS, THAT'S IT.

, RIGHT.

UNTIL IT'S SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, THERE WON'T BE A HOSPITAL IN SOUTH GARLAND.

QUESTION FOR YOU.

SO SINCE YOU'RE

[00:45:01]

NOT FROM HERE, THIS MAY, YOU MIGHT FIND THIS AS FUNNY AS I DO.

I CAME HERE FROM LITTLE ROCK OR FROM ARKANSAS AND CITY OF GARLAND HAS MORE PEOPLE THAN THIS CAPITAL OF ARKANSAS, YET THE TALLEST BUILDING IN GARLAND IS WHAT, FOUR STORIES? HALF, THERE'S ONE WITH FIVE STORIES.

DOES THAT STRIKE YOU AS ODD? IS THERE AN ORDINANCE AGAINST BUILDING A TALL BUILDING HERE AND NOBODY JUST WANTS TO DO IT? WELL, THERE ARE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, BUT IT DEPENDS ON THE ZONING DISTRICT.

UM, THERE ARE SOME ZONING DISTRICTS THAT DON'T HAVE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, SO THERE'S A KIND OF SHOWS THAT LAND USE MATRIX, BUT THE ONE THAT SAYS CO COMMUNITY OFFICE, UM, THAT THAT DOESN'T, THAT ACTUALLY HAS NO HEIGHT RESTRICTION.

MY UNDERSTANDING WAS WHEN THAT, UM, ZONING DISTRICT WAS CREATED WITH THE GARLAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE HOPE WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULDN'T WANNA RESTRICT, UM, SAY IF A REALLY TALL BUILDING LIKE THE STATE FARM, YOU KNOW, BUILDING THAT YOU SEE RIGHT THERE IN RICHARDSON AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BUSH IN 75, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WANTED TO BUILD HERE.

UM, THERE'S ALSO NO HEIGHT RESTRICTION IN INDUSTRIAL, BUT I THINK THAT'S MAINLY TO ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, LARGE FACILITIES THAT YOU SOMETIMES SEE IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT THAT MAJOR EMPLOYERS THAT MAY HAVE A, A BUILDING OR A HANGAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE THEY NEED A LITTLE MORE HEIGHT.

UM, DOWNTOWN, CERTAIN DOWNTOWN IS KIND OF DIVIDED UP INTO CERTAIN SUB-DISTRICTS, BUT UM, DOWNTOWN ACTUALLY IS MORE PERMISSIVE WHEN IT COMES TO HEIGHT.

IT'S REGULATED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY INSTEAD OF FEED, IT'S REGULATED BY STORIES.

SO DEPENDING ON THE, UM, DISTRICT IN GARLAND, YOU COULD GO UP TO FOUR OR FIVE STORIES, OR IN ONE SUBDISTRICT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY, DEPENDS ON HOW CLOSE IT IS TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY GO UP TO EIGHT STORIES ACTUALLY IN, IN SOME AREAS THERE'S A LIMIT.

THERE IS A LIMIT EXCEPT FOR COMMERCIAL, UH, COMMUNITY OFFICE AND INDUSTRIAL.

THERE IS, THERE IS A HEIGHT LIMIT.

YEAH.

THE EIGHT STORIES WOULD BE THE TALLEST IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

YEAH.

SO DOES IT STRIKE YOU ODD THAT NO ONE HAS OR HAS ANYBODY EVER APPLIED TO BUILD A TALLEST, NO ONE HAS EVER APPLIED THE, THE MULTI-FAMILY OR USUALLY THE TALLEST BUILDINGS THAT WE SEE FOUR STORIES.

UM, YEAH, IT REALLY KIND OF HAS TO DO WITH LAND USE AND, OR EXCUSE ME.

YEAH.

KIND OF THE LAND USE VALUE AND UM, AND UH, TYPICALLY THE HIGHER THE VALUE, THE MORE UNITS THEY'LL TRY TO GO VERTICALLY.

UM, SO THAT'S WHY YOU'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, LOTS AND LOTS OF TALL BUILDINGS SAYING LIKE, UPTOWN, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE THAT'S HAS VERY LITTLE TIGHT LAND, BUT THERE'S A HUGE, HUGE DEMAND FOR, YOU KNOW, UNITS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO MAYBE UP LIKE UPTOWN DALLAS, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS WHERE YOU'D SEE, UM, A HUGE DEMAND FOR A LOT OF, LOT OF HEIGHT.

BUT, UM, I THINK WE'LL GET THERE.

I THINK WITH, WITH ALL THE, THE GROWTH AND INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING DOWNTOWN GARLAND, WE'RE GETTING MORE AND MORE INQUIRIES AND WE'RE GETTING MORE RESTAURANTS AND NEAT STUFF DOWNTOWN.

SO I THINK WE MAY START TO SEE MORE, UM, INTEREST IN SOME HIGHER, HIGHER RISE, UM, RESIDENTIAL, MULTI-FAMILY, MAYBE HOTEL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO, UH, STAY TUNED.

, DON'T YOU FIND THAT ODD FOR A CITY THIS SIZE THAT ALL BUILDING IS FIVE STORIES? WELL, UH, PERHAPS YES, BUT I, I, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS, OF COURSE IT IS A SUBURBAN COMMUNITY, BUT THEN AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CORRIDORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, IT, IT'S KIND OF A MORE RECENT TREND WHERE YOU STARTED SEEING REAL, REAL TALL BUILDINGS, UM, IN FRISCO AND, AND PLANO KIND OF ALONG 75 IN THE TALL WAY.

UM, A LOT OF THOSE ARE EMPTY, EMPTY, BY THE WAY.

YEAH.

OFFICE.

YEAH, TRUE.

I MEAN OFFICE SPACE.

YEAH.

AND THERE'S A LOT MORE MONEY IN PLANO AND FRISCO TOO.

WELL, SURE, SURE.

AND IT GOES BACK TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, YOU KNOW, LAND VALUE AND DEMAND AND WHAT THE DEMAND IS FOR.

ABSOLUTELY.

BUT I, I THINK FOR, YEAH, MAYBE NOT BE OFFICE SPACE, BUT UM, MAYBE MULTI-FAMILY OR HOTELS, I, I THINK WE'RE GETTING THERE.

I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DEMAND FOR MULTI-FAMILY.

IT'S JUST TYPICALLY THE, THE TALLEST HEIGHT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR.

I, I THINK THIS IS, I THINK WE'RE SLOWLY GONNA START SEEING MORE AND MORE, BUT USUALLY FOUR, MAYBE FIVE STORIES IS ABOUT WHAT WE'LL SEE.

UM, BUT UH, THERE, THERE'S ACTUALLY ONE DEVELOPER KICK IN THE TIRES AROUND KIND OF THE, THE LAKE FRONT NEAR THE KIND OF THE BASS PRO, SOME OF THOSE RESTAURANTS ABOUT MAYBE GOING A LITTLE MORE DENSE AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ADJACENT TO ANY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO WE FELT THAT'D BE ACTUALLY VERY APPROPRIATE TO, YOU KNOW, GO A LITTLE TALLER THAN STAY YOUR STANDARD FOUR OR FIVE STORIES.

SO YEAH.

SO I, I'D SAY STAY TUNED.

I THINK WE'RE GONNA START SEEING MORE DEMAND AND WITH THAT COMES MAYBE A LITTLE BIT TALLER BUILDING.

SO YEAH.

KEN, THERE'S THAT.

UH, REMEMBER THAT WE GOT THE RADIO TOWER ON SATURN ROAD TOO? THAT'S, THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR TALL STRUCTURE.

.

YEAH.

THAT DOESN'T COUNT.

YEAH, I GREW UP ON THE 32ND FLOOR IN CHICAGO, SO YEAH.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

YEAH.

.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

THE ELEVATOR'S DOWN TODAY.

YEAH.

I'M GOING TO GRANDMA'S HOUSE.

THAT'S .

NOBODY WANTS TO WALK THAT FAR.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR WILL? THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

YOU WILL.

IT WAS GREAT.

THANKS.

HERO.

ALL RIGHT.

[00:50:09]

I THINK IT'S YOU SIAH.

THINK SO.

OKAY.

OH, I'LL REPORT ABOUT WHAT'S KEEP GOING.

BEAUTIFUL.

IT'S BEEN DOING, UM, ON APRIL THE 22ND, WE WENT TO EARTH DAY IN ETTE.

UM, WHEN I LEFT MY HOUSE AT FIVE 30, THE TEMPERATURE WAS 72.

WHEN I GOT TO MY BACK HOME AT EIGHT O'CLOCK, IT WAS 56, SO IT GOT COLD WHILE WE WERE OUT THERE, AND IT WAS, IT WAS WINDY.

YES.

UH, THE, UH, EVENT WAS TO LAST FROM SIX TO NINE.

AT SEVEN 30, I CLOSED UP MY SHOP AND WENT HOME, AND SO DID, UH, REBA AND, UM, PAM.

BUT WHEN I LEFT, KENNETH WAS STILL THERE.

DID YOU STAY TILL NINE? NO, WE WERE, THAT PLACE WAS DARK AT NINE.

REALLY? EVERYBODY WAS GONE BY NINE.

SO AS SOON AS THAT COLD FRONT MOVED IN, WHICH WAS ABOUT SIX 30, PEOPLE STARTED GETTING A LITTLE, A LITTLE CHILLY .

AND THEN WE WERE ALL OUT THERE SHORT SLEEVES AND EVERYTHING, AND BY SEVEN O'CLOCK PEOPLE WERE PACKING UP.

EVERYBODY WAS, WAS CLOSED DOWN BY EIGHT, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, WELL CLOSE, LIKE YOU SAID, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TILL NINE.

MM-HMM.

.

IT WAS CLOSED DOWN AT EIGHT, BUT THEY HAD A GOOD ATTENDANCE.

YEP.

THERE WERE LOTS OF PEOPLE THERE.

AND I, BECAUSE I WAS RESTRICTED TO A BOOTH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL WAS GOING ON.

THEY HAD BAND PLAYING AND OTHER, UH, LOTS OF, UH, VENDORS, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GIVING STUFF AWAY AND THAT SORT OF THING THAT RELATED TO EARTH DAY.

AND SO IT WOULD'VE BEEN A VERY SUCCESSFUL EVENT EXCEPT IF IT WAS SO COLD.

UH, BUT WE GOT TO MEET, I GOT TO MEET SEVERAL, SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO WORKED WITH, UH, UM, THE MASTER GARDENERS AND MASTER NATURALIST AND THE, UH, UH, A AND M EXTENSION, UM, UH, BUILDING THAT'S OFF, RIGHT OFF OF BROADWAY ON, UM, I'VE GOT THE GUYS, WHAT STREET IS THAT ON? UM, IT'S JUST OFF OF BROADWAY.

ANYWAY, IN SOUTH GARLAND.

UH, THEY HAD THERE, DID Y'ALL KNOW THERE IS AN A AND M EXTENSION OFFICE THERE? I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S, IT'S NEAR ME, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S, YEAH, WHERE IS IT? IT'S, IT'S WHAT USED TO BE THE, UM, UM, JUST A STORAGE THING FOR THAT DIS CONSTABLE DISTRICT.

I, I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S ON COMMISSIONER DISTRICT ON I 30 ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

NO, IT'S OFF OF, IT'S OFF OF BROADWAY.

I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW FAR OFF OF 30 IT IS, BUT, UM, SO