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OKAY.[Community Services Committee on June 6, 2023]
GOOD AFTERNOON.IT'S 4:00 PM THIS IS A MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE.
I'M CHAIR DEBORAH MORRIS AND WITH ME ARE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, ED MOORE AND MARGARET LUCK, AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF CITIZENS AND A LOT STAFF.
SO, UM, WE'RE GOING TO START WITH AGENDA ITEM ONE, APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE MAY 11TH, 2023 MEETING, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? MOVE FOR APPROVAL.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND.
UH, NUMBER TWO IS PUBLIC COMMENTS.
PEOPLE WHO DESIRE TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE ON ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA ARE ALLOWED.
DO WE HAVE, UM, ANY SPEAKER CARDS? DO WE HAVE SPEAKER CARDS? NO, MA'AM.
IN THAT CASE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE, DISCUSS SPRING 2023, NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY MATCHING GRANT APPLICATIONS.
SCOTT IS HERE AND TAKE IT AWAY.
UH, WE JUST HAVE FOUR FOR THIS CYCLE.
UM, AND WE'RE STARTING WITH CASTLE POINT HOA.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR A, UM, A PLAYGROUND, UM, WITH BENCHES AND MEMORIAL PLAQUE.
UM, SOME OF THE THINGS NOTED BY STAFF FOR THIS APPLICATION, UM, THEY WOULD NEED TO SIGN SOME KIND OF, UH, PUBLIC ACCESS AGREEMENT.
UM, BECAUSE ANYTHING FUNDED THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY MATCHING GRANT CANNOT BE CONSTRICTED BY MEMBERSHIP OR, OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THEY'RE ALL ELIGIBLE ITEMS. UM, IF THEY, UM, ENGINEERING HAS SOME NOTES ABOUT IF, IF IRRIGATION LINES NEED TO BE, UM, MOVED, THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO SO.
UM, AND, AND CONTACT THEM ABOUT, UH, RECORD DRAWINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
ALL OF THOSE WERE ACKNOWLEDGED IN CASTLE POINT'S, UM, APPLICATION.
SO, UM, I DIDN'T, UH, THERE WERE NO OTHER OUTSTANDING ITEMS FROM STAFF, AND SO WE'D LIKE TO HAVE COMMITTEE CONSIDER THIS APPLICATION.
AND DO, DO WE HAVE A CITIZEN, ONE OF THE DONS HERE, WHO WOULD LIKE TO STEP FORWARD AND SPEAK TO THIS BEFORE WE START DISCUSSING? SURE.
SO, UH, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH THE SMALLEST, UH, COMMUNITY, 130 HOMES.
WOULD YOU MIND GOING UP AND, UH, THANK YOU.
WE'RE WE'RE RECORDING THIS JUST FOR POSTERITY.
SO, HELLO AND YOUR NAME AND, AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
YES, DON YAXLEY, UH, 3009 TETON DRIVE.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF THE LAST GROUP OF HOMES ON THE VERY EDGE OF GARLAND.
UM, AND SO OUR, OUR SMALL COMMUNITY DOES NOT HAVE ANY AMENITIES.
THERE'S NO PLAYGROUND, NO POOL, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE HEARD FROM THE RESIDENTS WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE PAY THESE HOA FEES AND THERE'S NOTHING FOR OUR FAMILIES TO USE.
SO THAT TOOK US DOWN THE ROAD OF THE COMMUNITY GRANT AND LOOKING TO ADD A PLAYGROUND FOR THE FAMILIES, FOR KIDS TO BE ABLE TO PLAY ON.
COMMITTEE MEMBERS, DO EITHER OF YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR QUESTION AFTER LOOKING OVER THIS, UH, GRANT APPLICATION? I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.
I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK THAT YOUR OBJECTIVE WILL CERTAINLY BE MET.
WE'RE BRINGING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER AS IT RELATES TO, UH, THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND GOOD LUCK.
UM, SO YOU CAN TAKE YOUR SEAT AGAIN, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ASK.
AND COMMITTEE, I WILL SAY, UM, WHAT HE POINTED OUT IS ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE.
NORTHEAST GARLAND, UM, HAS THE FEWEST PARKS AND PLAYGROUNDS OF ANY DISTRICT IN THE CITY, AND THAT'S BEEN, UM, THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THOSE POINTS FOR, FOR A LONG TIME.
SO FOR A LONG TIME, EVEN THE, UH, RANCH ONE 11 WAS LEFT UNDEVELOPED, DID FINALLY GET A PLAYGROUND, BUT THAT'S NOT NEAR THIS.
SO, UM, I ALSO NOTED THE MEMORIAL PLAQUE ATTACHED TO ONE OF THE BENCHES THAT YOU HAD, UM, HAD LISTED HERE.
AND THAT, UM, THAT IS A NICE TOUCH AND THAT SEEMS VERY REASONABLE.
SO, UM, COMMITTEE, UNLESS, UNLESS YOU HAVE OBJECTIONS, THIS IS ONE THAT I, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE APPROVE WITHOUT A WHOLE LOT OF DRAMA.
DO YOU HAVE OBJECTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MOTION TO APPROVE.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND.
THAT IS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY FOR APPROVAL.
THE SECOND IS, UH, GOLDEN GATE PARK, UM, WHICH IS AT 1901, UM, RA ROAD.
UM, THEY SUBMITTED BOTH LETTER OF INTENT AND APPLICATION, DO POWER WASH AND REPAINT, UH,
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THEIR SCREENING WALLS.UM, THIS, THIS HAS A, A COUPLE OF ISSUES.
ONE IS THAT SCREENING WALLS ARE NOT CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN THE GUIDELINES, AND THAT, UM, THIS IS GENERALLY WOULD BE CONSIDERED A MAINTENANCE ACTIVITY, WHICH IS ALSO NOT ALLOWED BY CURRENT GUIDELINES.
UM, SO, UH, THOSE WERE, UM, DURING LETTER OF INTENT, THOSE WERE COMMUNICATED TO THE APPLICANT.
UM, BUT THEY, THEY WANTED TO SUBMIT THE, THEIR APPLICATION FOR THE COMMITTEE'S CONSIDERATION.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK FOR, UM, GOLDEN GATE PARK? I DON'T THINK THERE IS.
UM, COMMITTEE HAVE, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS GRANT APPLICATION AND READ THROUGH IT? DO YOU NEED A MOMENT? UM, YES.
UM, WERE, WAS THERE ANY TALK ABOUT DOING SOME KIND OF MURAL
UM, THE, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T DISCUSS THAT.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING, UM, THAT THEY WERE PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN.
IT WAS MORE, UM, JUST THE, THE, THE, THE FADING AND CHIPPING OF THE CURRENT WALL.
IT, IT'S ALSO THE WALLS IN NOT IN GREAT SHAPE EITHER.
THERE IS SOME SIGNIFICANT LEANING ON, UM, ON LEAST ONE OF THE WALLS.
UM, SO, UM, ANY, ANY LIKE, SORT OF CITY INVESTMENT LIKE THAT, YOU'D HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT TOO, HOW LONG, HOW LONG THAT WALL'S GONNA STAY.
AND, UM, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW.
WE, WE DIDN'T TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT MURALS, BUT THEY, THEY WERE, THEY SEEMED AT THE TIME TO BE MORE INTERESTED IN JUST POWER WASHING PAINTING.
COULD YOU TELL ME THE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AGAIN? UH, SORT OF TWO ISSUES.
SCREENING WALLS SPECIFICALLY ARE CALLED OUT IN THE CURRENT, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD VITALITY MATCHING GRANT GUIDELINES AS NOT BEING AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT.
AND THAT ANY, UH, MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES AREN'T, AREN'T ELIGIBLE EITHER.
AND POWER WASHING AND PAINTING AN EXISTING WALL, WE WOULD, WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT PROBABLY A MAINTENANCE ACTIVITY.
AND THEY SAY ON HERE THAT THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT AFTER COMPLETION IS 20 YEARS.
DO YOU EXPECT THAT WALL TO REMAIN STANDING FOR 20 YEARS? UM, CONSIDERING ITS CURRENT STATE? UM, IF I, I'M THINKING ABOUT SOME, SOME, SOME COMPARISONS.
I'M CERTAINLY NOT A, AN ENGINEER CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT SPECIFICALLY, BUT IT, IT, IT'S NOT ONE SIDE OF IT IS, IS SEVERELY LEANING.
UM, AND SO I I I DON'T KNOW WHAT, HOW MANY YEARS THAT TRANSLATES TO, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT DOING WELL.
I GUESS MY CONCERN THEN WOULD BECOME, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE REASONS THEN THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER THE APPLICATION? I, I, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING OUTSTANDING HERE, UM, IN THE, IN THE WAY BY WHICH WE WOULD, BUT, UH, IS THERE SOMEONE HERE TO SPEAK TO IT? MM-HMM.
WHAT DISTRICT IS THIS? YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY YOURS.
NOTHING ABOUT IT, OR WHETHER THEY HAD COME WITH ME AND TALKED TO ME ABOUT IT OR SAID SOMETHING, BUT, WELL, THERE'S NO PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE WALL.
UM, AND, AND BY VERY NATURE OF WHAT THEY'RE ASKING, THESE ARE NOT QUALIFIED ASKS.
I WOULD, I WOULD SAY A NO ON THIS, UM, JUST BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET OUR, OUR SPECIFICATIONS AND CRITERIA.
SO DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OTHERWISE, I MEAN, I WOULD JUST REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING MORE THAN PAINT ON IT.
UM, IF THERE WERE SOME UNIQUE ADDITION, UH, THAT WOULD REVITALIZE THAT AREA A LITTLE MORE, I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, THE HEART OF WHAT THIS GRANT IS, UM, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
WELL, AND IF THE WALL IS NOT IN GOOD SHAPE.
WE ART COSTS A LOT MORE IN GENERAL, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT ON A WALL THAT'S GONNA FALL DOWN.
SO, UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS? OH, UH, SINCE IT'S IN
ALL IN FAVOR OF NOT APPROVING.
UH, THE THIRD ONE IS NEW WORLD.
UM, UH, THE NEW WORLD ASSOCIATION, THEY,
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UH, IN THEIR APPLICATION REQUESTED A BENCH, UH, SOME TREES AND SOME OTHER, UM, UM, PARK-LIKE COMMITTEE IMPROVEMENTS.UH, ONE THING IN PARTICULAR WE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT WAS, UH, THE TREES.
UM, THE CURRENT GUIDELINE STATES, UH, THAT ORGANIC PLANT MATERIAL OR LIVE PLANT MATERIAL IS INELIGIBLE.
UM, WE, WE PUT THAT QUESTION IN THERE SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME OTHER, UM, CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT DO INCLUDE, UM, TREES AS ELIGIBLE, BUT THE GUIDELINES FOR THE MATCHING GRANT STRICTLY SAY NO LIVE PLANT MATERIAL.
UM, BUT IN, IN SPEAKING WITH THE APPLICANT IN, WHEN THEY WERE, WHEN THEY WERE TALKING WITH US ABOUT THIS, UM, SPEED HUMS AT THE TIME, AS YOU KNOW, WERE RECENTLY CHANGED FROM INELIGIBLE TO ELIGIBLE.
SO WHEN THEY STARTED SPEAKING WITH US ABOUT IT, THEY WERE STILL IN THE INELIGIBLE CATEGORY.
BUT DURING THIS PROCESS, UH, THEY HAVE BECOME ELIGIBLE.
UM, AND IN SPEAKING WITH THE APPLICANT, THEY HAVE, THEY DID MENTION IT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, IN THEIR, UM, IN THEIR LETTER OF INTENT.
THEY MENTIONED IT, UH, AS A CONCERN HERE, ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T SHOW UP IN SPECIFICALLY IN THE APPLICATION.
SO, UM, THEY ASKED, UH, IF THEY COULD ADD, UM, IF THEY COULD ADD SPEED HUMS TO THIS EXISTING REQUEST.
UH, FROM A FUNDING STANDPOINT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ONLY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALLOWED UP TO $10,000.
SINCE THEY'RE A VOLUNTARY GROUP, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE ONLY TAKING ABOUT 3000 OR SO RIGHT NOW ON THERE.
SO THERE'S PLENTY OF CAPACITY FOR AN ADDITIONAL, THEY, THEY'RE ALLOWED UP TO $10,000.
UM, SO IF, UM, IF, IF THAT WORKS FOR THE COMMITTEE AND, AND ANYONE ELSE, UM, THAT WE COULD ADD SPEED HUMS TO THIS REQUEST AND THEN PROCESS IT ALL, ALL IN ONE, ALL IN ONE APPLICATION.
THERE ARE ALSO GUIDELINES THOUGH THAT OF THE SPEED
ALLOW, UNDER THIS PROGRAM, WE COUNCIL CHANGE.
YES, I'M AWARE OF THAT, THE FUNDING.
BUT THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO, THEY WOULD STILL PROCESS, THEY WOULD STILL PROCESS TO GET SOMETHING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IF I RECALLED, RIGHT.
AND I THINK WHAT, WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS THAT YOU, YOU JUST, YOU, UM, AS A COMMITTEE AND THEN LATER AS A COUNCIL APPROVE THIS, UH, $10,000 MOUTH THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED AND WE'RE JUST ADDING SPEED HUMS AS AN ELIGIBLE EXPENSE.
WE WOULD STILL WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO THEY WOULD STILL DO THESE THINGS.
UH, WORKING WITH PARKS DEPARTMENT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE TREES, UH, WOULD STILL DO THESE THINGS THAT ARE LISTED.
WE'RE JUST ADDING SPEED HOMES, BUT STILL GOING THROUGH THE TRANSPORTATION PRO, THE, THE TRANSPORTATION REQUIREMENTS FOR SPEED HOMES, IT DOESN'T GUARANTEE THAT THEY GET THE FUNDING FOR IT.
WE'RE JUST RESERVING THE FUNDING IS ONE WAY TO PUT IT FOR, FOR THIS PROJECT.
IF TRANSPORTATION FINDS THAT THE STREET INELIGIBLE, IF THEY DON'T GET THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD SIGN SIGNATORIES, THEN THIS STILL WOULDN'T GO THROUGH AND THE MONEY WOULD NOT BE SPENT.
WE COULD APPROVE IT AS A, AS A CONTINGENCY.
SO, UH, DID I HEAR SOMETHING ALSO ABOUT SOME INELIGIBLE? WHAT WAS IT THAT WAS INELIGIBLE AGAIN, THE TREES.
THE TREES, UH, IT, IT, IT SAYS IN THE CURRENT GUIDELINES THAT LIVE PLANT MATERIAL, ORGANIC PLANT MATERIALS NOT ALLOWED UNDER THE CURRENT GUIDELINES.
SO THAT WOULD, I, I PUT THAT AS A, AS A AS A POINT OF DISCUSSION HERE, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ALLOW THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO BE CERTAIN THAT THAT IS OUR INTERPRETATION, THAT THE GUIDELINES DO SAY THAT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WE ADHERING TO EVEN FOR TREES, IF I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
IN FACT, WHEN I WAS ON THE PARKS BOARD, I TOURED ALL OF THE PARKS IN DISTRICT FIVE.
I WENT TO THIS PARK AND THERE WERE FOUR KIDS SITTING IN THE SHADE OF THE SIGN AT THE PARK.
AND I WAS LIKE, WHAT DO YOU WANNA SEE IN YOUR PARK? AND THEY WERE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW.
AND I SAID, HOW ABOUT SOME SHADE
SO, UM, I I THINK THAT THE INTENTION FOR THE TREES IS TO PROVIDE SOME OF THAT SHADE, ESPECIALLY LOCATED DURING, UM, LOCATED IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE BENCHES.
AND THAT'S REALLY, I THINK THE INTENT SHADE STRUCTURES ARE QUITE EXPENSIVE.
SO, UM, THIS WAS A WAY TO KIND OF PROVIDE THAT FOR THE USERS OF THE PARK.
ARE ANY OF THE APPLICANTS HERE TODAY TO SPEAK TO IT? MM-HMM.
WELL, ONE THING I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP ABOUT THE TREES, AND THIS IS SOMETHING I HAD, I HAD DISCUSSED WITH SCOTT, THE, THE PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY, AND IT CHANGED YEAR AND A HALF AGO, TWO YEARS AGO, AFTER THE GREAT 2021 FREEZE KILLED STUFF THAT WE HAD POURED A TON OF CITY PUBLIC MONEY INTO, AND IT CHANGED TO NO ORGANIC MATERIALS.
WE HAVE DENIED OTHER ASSOCIATIONS TREES.
I DON'T WANT TO START MAKING ONESIE TWOSIE EXCEPTIONS.
WE DO HAVE A FREE TREE GIVEAWAY COMING UP IN JUST A FEW MONTHS.
AND, UH, IT'S USUALLY SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, SOMEBODY.
UM, AND I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THE NEIGHBORS COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
UM, AND WE MIGHT HAVE SOME OTHER OPTIONS, BUT THROUGH
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THIS PROGRAM, UM, I WANNA BE CONSISTENT.SO, UM, AND, AND I SHOULD HAVE ASKED, UM, NEW WORLD CAN, DO YOU WANNA COME UP HERE AND, AND UM, BE PRESENT SO WE CAN ASK YOU QUESTIONS? SORRY, SINCE WE HAD CHATTED JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO, I, I DIDN'T AUTOMATICALLY CALL YET, BUT PLEASE HAVE A SEAT.
AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, SIR, CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN? MY NUMBER, RAY JOHNSON ADDRESS IS 10 13 TAHOE DRIVE, 75,043.
AND DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO, UM, WHAT MR. BOLLINGER HAS, HAS SHARED ABOUT YOUR RECORDING? NO.
BASICALLY WHEN WE, WE HAD, UH, ORIGINALLY STARTED OFF WITH, UH, THE BENCH, YOU KNOW, GETTING AN ADDITIONAL BENCH ON IT AND MAYBE GETTING A PLAQUE FROM NEW WORLD TO PUT ON IT FROM THAT, WE HAD PAID FOR THAT.
AND, UH, I THOUGHT ALSO LIKE, LIKE WE'RE JUST SUGGESTING SOME OF THESE BENCHES.
THEY KIDS, LIKE SHE SAID, SOME KIDS SITTING ON BENCHES SAYS NO SHADE.
THERE'S A FEW, THERE'S A FEW TREES OUT THERE, BUT NOT A LOT OF SHADE IN THE PARK.
I MOVED HERE IN 1970 AND DARMAN HAD ONE SWING SET, ONE TRASH CAN, AND IT'S IT, AND IT'S COME A LONG WAY.
SO WE'VE GOT IN REALLY WORKED HARD TO GET THIS ACCOMPLISHED AND WE GOT A UNIQUE LINE OUT IN THAT PARK AND IT'S SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF.
AND I SEE A LOT OF KIDS AND FAMILIES OUT THERE PLAYING OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
AND THEY, THEY'RE ENJOYING THAT.
AND LIKE I SAY, YEAH, LATER ON, IF WE CAN GET TREES SOMEWHERE OR ANOTHER ON THIS NEW PROJECT, THEN WE CAN MAYBE ADD SOME TREES TO IT.
AND ANOTHER CONCERN I THINK IT'S IN, WAS IN OUR NOTES ABOUT SOME, MAYBE SOMEWHERE TO D ADD IN SOME SPEED BUMPS, LOW PROFILE SPEED BUMPS, JUST ANOTHER TO SLOW SOME OF THESE PEOPLE DOWN.
CAUSE THEY DON'T SEEM TO KNOW WHAT STOP SIGN SAYS.
THEY LIKE TO RUN THROUGH THE STOP SIGNS AND THEY DON'T ONLY SLOW DOWN SOMETIME.
AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, ESPECIALLY AROUND MALAY ELEMENTARY.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS OUT THERE AND UP DOWN BIRCHWOOD AND BROADMOOR, THEY SEEM LIKE THEY JUST IGNORE THE STOP SIGNS.
AND I, I FEEL LIKE IF WE JUST START OFF WITH THREE OR FOUR SPEED BUMPS RIGHT IN THAT AREA, THAT WOULD KIND OF, PEOPLE WOULD GET THE IDEA, HEY, WE NEED TO SLOW DOWN, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA STOP ALL OF 'EM.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY.
BUT IF THEY GET JARRED ENOUGH A FEW TIMES, THEY MIGHT DECIDE THEY WANT TO STOP.
BUT, UH, THE BENCH, I THINK THE IMPROVEMENT IN THE PARK IS VERY GOOD.
AND THE, THE BENCH WOULD BE REALLY ANNOUNCED OUT, ADDITIONAL BENCH THERE.
NEXT TIME WE'LL LOOK AT ARMSTRONG AS THEY'RE IMPROVING ARMSTRONG RIGHT NOW.
AND IT'S, WE HAD A LOT TO DO WITH ARMSTRONG WHEN IT CAME AROUND AND, UH, I'M PROUD OF THESE PARKS WE HAVE AND I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE PARKS.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR RAY.
UM, THE INTENTION OF THE TREES WAS TO PROVIDE SHADE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
WOULD YOU BE, UM, OPPOSED TO MAYBE IN AT THE NEXT GRANT SESSION, LOOKING INTO A SHADE STRUCTURE OF SOME KIND THAT IS APPROVED ON THE LIST? YEAH.
UH, I'M CURRENTLY NOT THE COORDINATOR FOR THE, BUT I WORK WITH, UH, KATHY HEDGE OVER THERE.
SHE'S TAKEN OVER AND SO I'LL BE WORKING WITH HER AS FAR AS KIND OF GETTING SOME MESSED UP TOGETHER AND, UH, OTHER IDEAS ABOUT, UH, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, AND PINGING OFF OF, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER LUXS QUESTIONS.
SCOTT, IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM IN THE, IN THE $10,000 THIS TIME THAT WHILE WE'RE EXAMINING POTENTIAL SPEED HUMS, THAT WE COULD ALSO EXAMINE A POTENTIAL SHADE STRUCTURE? WE CAN EXAMINE IT.
I WOULDN'T GET YOUR HOPES UP ON THE COST.
THE COST, BUT YEAH, WE CAN LOOK AT IT ALL.
BEFORE YOU LEAVE, UH, I WANNA ALSO SAY TO YOU THAT I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR COMING IN.
I'M A SIX YEAR HOA PRESIDENT AND, UH, PUTTING THESE GRANTS IN AND TAKING THE TIME TO PUT THEM IN IT, IT'S, IT'S HORRENDOUS.
AND AT THE SAME TIME THOUGH, IT'S VERY APPRECIATIVE WHEN OUR CONSTITUENTS COME IN AND SIT AND TALK ABOUT WHAT IT IS AND HOW THEY WANNA SEE THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS ENHANCED AND, AND BUILT UP.
SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I APPRECIATE THAT.
THE COMMITTEE, IF I'M, IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, WE ARE ALL, ALL IN ON THE BENCH THAT'S REQUESTED THE BASKETBALL NETS, RETRIED, COURTS AND SURFACE, WAIT A MINUTE.
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AT WHITE AND GRISSOM PARKS, THAT'S PART OF THE SAME APPLICATION.AND, UM, AND ALSO TO BE LOOKING AT, WE HAD DISCUSSED POTENTIALLY THREE STREET HUMS, UM, LETTING THAT GO THROUGH THE TRANSPORTATION PROCESS, BUT SETTING ASIDE, POTENTIALLY SETTING ASIDE FUNDING FOR IT, IF IT GETS APPROVED, UM, INCLUDING APPROVED BY TRANSPORTATION AND APPROVED BY THE REQUISITE NUMBER OF NEIGHBORS QUESTION.
UH, ARE WE GOING TO APPROVE, UH, IS THAT GONNA BE OUR PROCESS THAT, UH, AN APPLICANT WOULD, UH, APPLY AND THEN WE WOULD APPROVE CONTINGENT UPON THEM TAKING THE NECESSARY STEPS? OR SHOULD IT MAYBE THAT THEY HAVE TAKEN THE NECESSARY STEPS THAT THEY HAVE GONE TO, UH, THE NEIGHBORS AND THEY'VE GOTTEN THE INFORMATION, THEY'VE GOTTEN THE, UH, APPROVAL AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
ESPECIALLY WHEN IT GETS HERE, ALL THAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO IS APPROVE THE FUNDING.
I THINK IT COULD GO EITHER WAY.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE THAT IT'S A LOT EASIER AND SIMPLER TO GET NEIGHBORHOOD APPROVAL WHEN YOU'RE TELLING THEM, I'M NOT ASKING YOU FOR MONEY, WHICH IF YOU GO BEFORE YOU HAVE POTENTIAL FUNDING, YOU'RE TELLING THEM THIS MAY COST YOU NO HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS.
SO I DON'T SEE THAT, BUT OKAY.
IN OTHER WORDS, UH, WHAT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WE HAVE PUT A PROCESS IN PLACE WHEREBY WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW, IF THEY MEET THE GUIDELINES, WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE SPEED HUNTS AND THEY, AS THEY GO TO THEIR NEIGHBORS, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SAY, IF WE GET THEIR APPROVAL, WE'RE GONNA GET IT.
AND ALL I'M ASKING AT THIS POINT IS DO WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF ALLOWING FIRST US APPROVING FIRST OR ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW, ASK THEM TO BRING WITH THEM THE NECESSARY REQUIREMENTS FIRST? I, I PREFER TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS ACTUALLY.
AND, UM, I, I THINK THAT THE TIME THAT IT TAKES, I, I GUESS THEY GET THREE MONTHS TO DO THE, IS THERE A TIMELINE ON THE STREET HUMP? I BELIEVE IT'S THREE MONTHS PROCURE.
SO THEY HAVE THREE MONTHS TO GET ALL OF THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS TOGETHER AND THE PETITION TOGETHER.
AND SOMETIMES THAT MIGHT NOT FALL IN WITH THE APPLICATION PROCESS, SO THEY MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT EVEN LONGER.
AND THIS WILL ALLOW THEM TO GET THAT PROCESS GOING IN, IN MY MIND.
UM, AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT DONE FASTER RATHER THAN HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE NEXT APPLICATION PROCESS.
IF THEY MISSED THIS APPLICATION PROCESS AND WE DID NOT INCLUDE SPEED HUMS, WHEN WOULD BE THE NEXT TIME THAT THEY COULD PUT IN AN APPLICATION? SEPTEMBER.
I I DON'T THINK, UH, MR. ENGLAND, DO WE HAVE ANY REASON THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? NOT LEGALLY.
I, I WILL SAY IF IT, IF IT HELPS COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE, UM, WE HAVEN'T DONE A WHOLE LOT OF THESE, UM, 10,000 FOR VOLUNTEER.
WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE ONLY DONE ONE, I THINK.
UM, AND THAT, THAT ONE TOO WAS, UH, UM, SOMEWHAT SPECULATIVE.
WE HAD A GENERAL IDEA, WE HAD SOME COST PUT TOGETHER, BUT IT WASN'T A, A CLEAR PLAN LIKE YOU SEE WITH THESE OTHER APPLICANTS THAT HAVE TO, THAT HAVE A LINE ITEM ESTIMATE AND TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING, EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE APPROVING FOR THESE, SINCE THE STAFF MANAGES THEM RATHER THAN THE APPLICANT.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A LITTLE MORE WIGGLE ROOM THERE ON WHAT WE CAN DO.
CUZ WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM DIRECTLY ON WHAT, WHAT THE EVENTUAL PLAN IS.
SO NOW WE WOULD, WE WOULDN'T WANNA STRAY TOO FAR FROM THE COMMITTEE'S DIRECTION OR THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION ON, ON WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
WE WOULDN'T DO SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
BUT THEY'RE, WE'VE, WE'VE SORT OF TREATED THE ONE THAT WE HAVE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, WE SAID THIS AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA INCREASE THE QUALITY OF THIS WHILE MAYBE DECREASING THE QUALITY OF THIS BASED ON WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANT.
UH, SO WE, THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE'VE APPROACHED THAT.
AND I WOULD SEE THAT SIMILAR HERE.
WE WOULD, WE WOULD DO THE THINGS THAT ARE LISTED HERE, WORKING WITH PARKS TO MAKE THOSE HAPPEN, AND THEN HELPING THEM THROUGH THE SPEED, UH, YOU KNOW, INSTALLATION PROCESS AS WE GO, AS IT FITS UNDER THIS, THIS $10,000.
UM, I I COULD SEE, UM, MAYBE IN THE FUTURE WE, WE DISCUSS REQUIRING THOSE STEPS HAPPEN FIRST BEFORE THEY APPLY.
BUT I'M JUST, JUST GIVING YOU A COMPARISON THAT, THAT WITH THESE, UM, VOLUNTARY PROJECTS WHERE THE STAFF MANAGES THEM, THERE'S, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE LEEWAY AND PLEASE DON'T THINK THAT I HAVE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AS A, AS AS THE INTENT OF WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I LIKE THAT
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IT DOES, IT HELPS D H O A, IT HELPS THEM TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.I ALSO LIKE EQUALITY AND THAT IS EVERYONE BEING TREATED THE SAME WAY.
AND THAT'S ALL, THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING THAT IS THAT WE DON'T COME BACK THE NEXT TIME AND WE, IT TURNS AROUND THAT THEY NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS FIRST.
UM, I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE STRIKE THE INSTALLATION OF THE TREES, UM, AND APPROVE THE BENCH AT DORFMAN PARK, THE MAINTENANCE IMPROVEMENTS AT WHITE AND GRISSOM PARKS, AND ALLOW FOR CONTINGENCY FOR SPEED HUMPS AND A SHADE STRUCTURE IF POSSIBLE.
UH, OUR LAST ONE IS, UH, PLACE ONE HOA.
THIS IS IN, UH, IN, IN WEST GARLAND.
UH, THEY'RE REQUESTING TWO ADDITIONAL, UH, PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
UH, IT'S A, A HORSE SPRING RIDER AND A SEESAW, I BELIEVE SPECIFICALLY
UM, THEY, UH, THEY ACTUALLY DID A, A MATCHING GROUND IN 2014 FOR A PLAYGROUND THAT IT'S ONE OF THE, IT'S KIND OF ONE OF OUR EXAMPLE PROJECTS OF AN H WADE MAKING A BIG SWING FOR, FOR SOMETHING THAT, THAT THEY WANTED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY, AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL, THEY'VE MAINTAINED IT REALLY WELL.
UM, AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS, IS ELIGIBLE UNDER THE CURRENT GUIDELINES.
UM, THEY WOULD NEED TO SIGN LIKE THE OTHER, UM, LIKE THE OTHER APPLICANTS, SOME KIND OF PUBLIC ACCESS AGREEMENT.
UM, CUZ AGAIN, THEY, IF IT'S FUNDED UNDER THE MATCHING GRANT PROGRAM, THEY CAN'T RESTRICT ACCESS TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, UH, OTHER THAN PARK LIKE OURS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT OTHERWISE IT'S A, A, IT'S AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT.
AND DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE FROM, UM, PLACE ONE? I DON'T THINK WE DO.
UM, COMMITTEE, IF YOU'VE ALREADY HAD TIME, I, I HAVE TO TELL YOU SOME OF THEIR, SOME OF THEIR PICTURES JUST
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, COMMENTS? MOTION TO APPROVE? SECOND.
APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT AND THANK YOU FOR IMPROVING YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
THAT'S GOOD FOR THE WHOLE CITY.
COMMITTEE, WE ARE NOW TO ITEM FOUR, DISCUSSION OF MOBILE ICE CREAM SALES.
IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU HAVE AND I, AND IN FRONT OF YOU ON THE SCREEN, YOU HAVE A PRINTED VERSION OF THIS, UM, PRESENTATION.
AND YOU ALSO, WE ALSO ARE GONNA BE SEEING IT.
UH, BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO MANDY, WHO'S THE REAL EXPERT HERE, UM, WITH REGARD TO THIS, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A, UM, CAVEAT TO THE PRESENTATION AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO, AS FAR AS THE PRESENTATION GOES, UM, WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU A HIGH LEVEL OF WHAT WE THOUGHT SOME OF THE DISCUSSION ITEMS MIGHT BE, BUT WE MIGHT BE COMPLETELY MISSING THE MARK.
SO WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR YOUR GUIDANCE ON WHERE YOU WANT TO GO WITH IT.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS, FOR SIMPLICITY'S SAKE, WE DID SPLIT IT.
SO THE FIRST PART OF THE PRESENTATION IS TO TALK ABOUT ICE CREAM TRUCKS, MOTORIZED VEHICLES, AND THEN TO SPLIT THAT OFF WITH CARTS BECAUSE IT IS KIND OF A DIFFERENT ANIMAL AND IT HAS DIFFERENT RULES AND DIFFERENT PROBLEMS. SO, UM, WITH THAT I WILL HAND IT TO MANDY AND LET HER GO FORWARD.
SO I MADE A SHORT PRESENTATION.
UM, SO AS YOU ALL KNOW, A MONTH AGO MAY 11TH, WE MET ON THIS ORIGINALLY AND IT WAS DECIDED TO STRIKE, UH, 2 28, 2 31 FROM THE ORDINANCE.
SO AFTER THAT, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO FROM HERE.
SO IN TALKING WITH BRIAN ABOUT WHAT ARE THE BEST OPTIONS, WE CAME TO THE AGREEMENT OR HE GUIDED US THAT THEY WOULD FIT WELL UNDER THE CATERING TRUCK ORDINANCE.
IT'S ALREADY EXISTING ORDINANCE, UM, 2 29.
UM, THE ANNUAL PERMIT FEE FOR THAT IS $300.
SO ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS WITH THAT, UM, IS THIS SECTION HERE THAT SAYS IT HAS TO STAY AT ONE LOCATION MORE THAN, OR IT MAY STAY AT ONE LOCATION, NO MORE THAN ONE HOUR PER STOP AND NO MORE THAN THREE HOURS AT THE SAME LOCATION, ANY 24 HOUR PERIOD.
THAT DOESN'T REALLY, IT'S NOT WHAT NEIGHBORS WANT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
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SO WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT.AND THIS ONE WAS JUST UNCOVERED TODAY FOR ME.
SO IN THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AND NUISANCE ABATEMENT ORDINANCE, IT SAYS THAT BASICALLY YOU CAN'T HAVE A CATERING TRUCK OR MOBILE FOOD UNIT AT ANY PLACE IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
SO WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
UM, ALSO, YOU CAN'T PARK OR STAND IN THOSE KIND OF TRUCKS AND, UM, UNLESS IT IS A CONSTRUCTION ZONE.
SO THAT'S TO CATER TO, YOU KNOW, THE ROACH COACHES OR THEY USED TO CALL THEM THAT, UM, THAT CATER TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS.
OTHER THINGS YOU MIGHT JUST WANNA CONSIDER IS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS ARE GONNA BE AROUND SCHOOLS, AND THEN IF THEY WANT TO PUT ANY RULE, UM, REGULATIONS ON HOURS OF VENDING.
UM, AND THEN IN THE NOR NOISE ORDINANCE WE HAVE THE ISSUE, UM, WHERE IT SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE EXTERIOR LOUD SPEAKERS ON ANY VEHICLES.
AND IF THEY'RE GONNA BE PLAYING THE MUSIC DOWN THE STREET, THAT'S IN VIOLATION OF THAT.
SO I KNOW, UM, COUNCIL LADY LUCK, YOU HAD SAID YOU DIDN'T WANT THEM TO PLAY WHILE THEY'RE STANDING STILL, BUT WE WOULD NEED TO TWEAK THIS.
I THINK THAT SOMETHING ELSE JUST FOR NOT FOR INFORMATION WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
UM, AND JUST, JUST FOR AWARENESS WITH REGARD TO THIS, IF WE, DEPENDING ON HOW WE END UP WORDING IT, ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH STAFF DOES NOT HAVE, UM, A WAY TO STOP OR PULL OVER AN ICE CREAM TRUCK.
SO IF THEY ARE VIOLATING A NOISE ORDINANCE, THAT'S REALLY GOES THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IF IT COMES TO THAT.
BUT JUST FOR AWARENESS, WE CAN'T PULL THEM OVER.
AND THIS IS JUST A SUGGESTION, YOU SAY THEY CAN PLAY THE, THE MUSIC WHILE THEY'RE IN MOTION, BUT NOT WHEN THEY'RE STANDING STILL.
UM, COMMITTEE, WHY DON'T WE TAKE THIS IN TWO PARTS? BECAUSE TRUCKS AND CARTS ARE, ARE NOT THE SAME.
SO, AND AND THANK YOU FOR THE, UM, WHAT THE, THE NEW NEW PIECE HERE THAT CAME OUT.
CAUSE THAT WASN'T IN THE, UM, INFORMATION THE OTHER DAY, BUT THAT'S HELPFUL.
SO, UM, ALL RIGHT, WELL LET ME HEAR FROM FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS FIRST.
WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? LET'S GO BACK FIRST TO, UH, THE AREA WHERE YOU HAD THE, UM, TRUCKS NOT BEING ABLE TO BE IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
SO WE'RE REALLY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ICE CREAM TRUCKS, NOT NECESSARILY CATERING.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF THERE IS A SITE WHERE CONSTRUCTION IS TAKING PLACE AND A TRUCK THAT DELIVERS FOOD, CATERING TRUCK OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THAT TRUCK WANTS TO COME IN AND SELL FOOD TO, UH, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THEIR WORK, UH, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED, CORRECT? CORRECT.
BUT THE ICE CREAM TRUCK, IF WE PERMITTED AS A CATERING TRUCK, IT INCLUDES IT HERE SAYING IT CAN'T BE THERE
SO WE, WE PROBABLY NEED TO BOLDLY GO INTO FORGING ICE CREAM TRUCK.
I, I LIKED THE IDEA OF JUST PUTTING IT UNDER OR TRUCK.
JUST MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR ICE CREAM TRUCKS UNDER THE CATERING TRUCK.
SO IF WE WERE TO, UM, TO PULL ICE CREAM TRUCKS UNDER THE CATERING TRUCK ORDINANCE, THAT'S A $300 A YEAR, UM, UH, PERMIT THAT THEY NEED.
AND THEN WE MAKE AN EXCEPTION IN 32 57 C FOR ICE CREAM TRUCKS.
BUT WE ALSO WANT TO PUT SOME OTHER SPECIFIC RESTRICTIONS ON ICE CREAM TRUCKS AS IN, UM, THAT THEY HAVE TO STOP THE MUSIC WHEN THEY STOP AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE CAN STILL DO THAT EASILY AND UNDER THIS.
WOULD THAT NEED TO BE IN THE NOISE ORDINANCE PART? UM, YEAH, WE'D PROBABLY WANNA PUT THAT IN THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
RIGHT? WOULD WE BE ABLE TO PUT LIKE, UM, LIKE A, A VIOLATION LIMIT IF THEY VIOLATE THE NOISE ORDINANCE? OKAY.
BY MAYBE PEOPLE CALLING IN RATHER THAN A TICKET.
IS THERE, IS THERE A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, OKAY, REGULATE THAT.
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IS, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN FINISH UP YEP.IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE HERE THAT WE NEED TO, UM, WE'RE MAKING, IF WE MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR THEM, WE SAY ICE CREAM TRUCKS ARE CATERING FALL INTO THE CATERING TRUCK ORDINANCE.
WE MAKE AN EXCEPTION WHERE IT IS NOT AN OFFENSE FOR THEM TO PARK IT WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE OR OPERATE IT.
UM, SO ONE, ONE QUESTION HERE, UM, THAT CAME UP WHEN WE WERE TALKING HAD TO DO WITH THE PROXIMITY TO SCHOOLS AND THE FACT THAT THE SCHOOLS ARE IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
SO BY ALLOWING THEM IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE 'EM PARKED OUTSIDE SCHOOLS WHEN KIDS ARE RUNNING AND GETTING OUTTA SCHOOL.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING THERE THAT GUIDANCE ON HOW YOU WOULD LIKE THAT TO GO? CAN, CAN WE NOT ALLOW THEM TO BE IN A SCHOOL ZONE WITHIN A SCHOOL ZONE? I MEAN, USE THE, THE CURRENT MARKINGS? YEAH.
AS A, THAT MIGHT PUT THEM FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE SCHOOL TO, YOU KNOW, EASY.
SO NOT ALLOWED IN SCHOOL ZONES.
WELL, ACTIVE SCHOOL ZONES, I WOULD SAY ACTIVE.
ACTIVE RIGHT THAT WAY WHEN DURING THE SUMMERTIME.
ONE THING I SEE HERE IS, UM, AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE TODAY, KONA ICE.
THEY'RE UNDER THE MOBILE FOOD AND THEY ACTUALLY TURNED THEIR OPINION ON THIS CAUSE THEY THOUGHT, OH, WELL THAT MEANS THAT WE CAN ALSO GO DOWN THE NEIGHBORHOODS NOW.
BUT IF THEY ARE MOBILE FOOD, NOT A CATERING TRUCK, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WANNA DO WITH WELL, AND THEY'RE NOT AN ICE CREAM TRUCK.
THEY DON'T CRUISE NEIGHBORHOODS.
I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE FOR THEM TO CRUISE MY NEIGHBORHOOD PERSONALLY.
I DON'T CONSIDER THEM A FOOD TRUCK EITHER.
IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE OPEN PREPARATION.
THESE ICE CREAM TRUCKS ARE JUST PRE-PACKAGED ITEMS. THERE'S NO RISK.
SO JUST TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION, CUZ IT WILL COME UP IF WE END UP TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE LOOKED AT WITH PERMITTING, THERE IS THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE AN ICE CREAM TRUCK THAT HAS OPEN ICE CREAM CONTAINERS WHERE THEY SERVE IT UP.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE THAT'S NOT CONSIDERED A CATERING TRUCK, IT THEN FALLS UNDER THE FOOD TRUCK.
AND BASED ON WHAT I'VE READ SO FAR, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DON'T REALLY WANT THAT TYPE OF OPERATION.
WE WANT THE ICE ICE CREAM TO ALREADY BE IN CONTAINERS PREPACKAGED, NO LOW RISK, NO RISK.
SO WE'RE KIND OF, SO KEEPING IT CATERING UNDER THE CATERING TRUCK THAT SAYS IT'S NOT OPEN FOODS, IT'S PRE-PREPARED, PRE-PACKAGED.
CUZ I LOVE, I CAN HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT AT MY HOUSE AND INVITE THEM TO MY YARDS
UM, AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT A CATERING, I MEAN A FOOD TRUCK CANVAS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AND JUST KEEPING, KEEPING TRACK NOT ALLOWED IN ACTIVE SCHOOL ZONES.
WE WANT THE MUSIC TO STOP WHEN THEY STOP.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? MM-HMM.
IF WE CAN GO TO THE NORTH ORDINANCE NOW? YES.
UM, YOU WANNA SEE THE ORDINANCE HOURS? SORRY.
WELL NO, I'M, I'M JUST, I'M I'M JUST COLLECTING THE DIFFERENT THINGS.
DO WE WANT ICE CREAM TRUCKS DRIVING AT NIGHT? THREE NEIGHBORHOODS? NOPE.
SO IF WE WANT HOURS OF OPERATION, UM, I KNOW, I, I THINK IN THE PAST THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS NOT BEEN FOND OF, OF SAYING DAYLIGHT HOURS AND NICE SQUISHY THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE THAT CHANGES THROUGH THE YEAR.
SO, UM, DO WE WANNA PICK SOMETHING AM TO SOMETHING PM TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THAT IT HASN'T FULLY STOPPED OUR DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME CHANGING BACK AND FORTH.
I WOULD SAY MINUTES BEFORE SUNSET JUST TO, CAN WE SAY THAT THAT'S EASIER? YEAH.
IT'S MUCH DIFFERENT THAN DAYLIGHT OR NIGHTTIME.
I WOULD START IT IN THE AFTERNOON BECAUSE THOUGH I'M SURE CHILDREN WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ICE CREAM FOR BREAKFAST.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S REALLY NECESSARY TO HAVE THEM IN NEIGHBORHOODS DURING THAT TIME.
SO, SO DO WE HAVE GUIDANCE FROM OTHER CITIES ON I SAW YOU DID A YEAH, THERE WAS SOMEBODY ELSE THAT HAD HAD HOURS.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT THEY HAD HOURS.
SALES CAN ONLY TAKE PLACE BETWEEN 11:00 AM AND SUNSET AS DEFINED BY NOAH.
DEFINED BY NOAH? ASSUMING NOAH'S NOT THE GUY IN THE ARK.
WE CAN WRITE IT OUT WHAT IT REALLY MEANS.
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IT.IS EVERYBODY ALL RIGHT WITH THAT DEFINITION? AND CAN YOU READ, CAN YOU READ FOR ME WHAT IT SAID ABOUT THE SCHOOLS? YOU SAID THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE YES.
UH, MOBILE VENDORS SHALL NOT SELL WITHIN TWO CITY BLOCKS OR 600 FEET, WHICHEVER IS GREATER OF THE GROUNDS OF A PUBLIC, PRIVATE OR PAROCHIAL ELEMENTARY OR SECONDARY SCHOOL BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 11:00 AM AND 4:30 PM ON DAYS WHEN SCHOOL IS IN SESSION.
YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE SET THE TIMES TO EXACT TIMES, WE CAN TOTALLY MISS THE SCHOOL AND NOT THE, WHEN CHILDREN ARE IN SCHOOL AND NOT EVEN HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SPEED, UH, THE SCHOOL ZONES OR ANYTHING.
SO IF IT START STOPPED AT, STARTED AT 3:00 PM AND WENT TO 7:00 PM THAT WOULD GIVE THEM FOUR HOURS AND IT WOULD AVOID ALL SCHOOL EXCEPT FOR SOME, YOU KNOW, AFTER SCHOOL THINGS.
MIDDLE SCHOOLS GET OUT AT FOUR, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
AND IT, AND SOMETIMES OF THE YEAR IT'S PITCH BLACK DARK AT SEVEN.
I THOUGHT READ IT AGAIN PLEASE.
UM, MOBILE VENDOR SHALL NOT SELL WITHIN TWO CITY BLOCKS OR 600 FEET, WHICHEVER IS GREATER OF THE GROUNDS OF A PUBLIC, PRIVATE, OR PAROCHIAL ELEMENTARY OR SECONDARY SCHOOL BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 11:00 AM AND 4:30 PM ON DAYS WHEN SCHOOL IS IN SESSION.
I'M JUST THINKING OF ENFORCEMENT.
SO WHO'S GONNA BE MEASURING AND FIGURING OUT HOW MANY BLOCKS? I MEAN WELL, IF THEY'RE THE COMPLAINT.
CAUSE THERE WOULD BE COMPLAINT DRIVEN IT SOUNDS LIKE MM-HMM.
THERE WERE A COMPLAINT THEN THE POLICE WOULD HANDLE IT.
BUT OTHERWISE IT'S UP TO POLICE ARE NOT GONNA WANT TO ENFORCE
WELL, A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF WE DON'T WANT TO.
WELL, AND IN THE EVENT, THESE ARE ACTUAL TRUCKS THAT WE PERMITTED, WE CAN GIVE THIS INFORMATION UP FRONT AND THEN WE WILL HAVE CONTACT INFORMATION.
WE COULD CALL THEM AND SAY, HEY, WE HAD A COMPLAINT.
I DON'T, WE WOULDN'T HAVE CONTROL OVER.
I I KINDA LIKE THAT LANGUAGE THAT PAST MUSTER WITH YOU.
DO YOU THINK THAT'S OKAY ABOUT THE SCHOOLS? ALL RIGHT, SO WHY DON'T WE FINGER THAT PARTICULAR LANGUAGE AS IT RELATES TO SCHOOLS AND THEN HAVE, SINCE THAT ALSO SAYS 11:00 AM OUR, OUR OVERALL OPERATING HOURS OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL ZONES WOULD BE 11:00 AM TO, UM, SUNSET PER NOAH.
DOES ANYBODY I HAVE GOTTEN A SURPRISING NUMBER OF PEOPLE, UH, WHO HAVE SAID, BUT WHAT ABOUT DRUG DEALING? AND I'M LIKE, OKAY GUYS, IF, IF YOU'RE A DRUG DEALER, ARE YOU GONNA REALLY WANNA GO AROUND IN A SLOW, GODLY PAINTED NOISY TRUCK
UNLESS YOU ALL HAVE SEEN SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO BRING TO OUR ATTENTION.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING PERSONALLY.
I'M 99% CERTAIN THAT'S AN URBAN LEGEND.
KIND OF LIKE LASER BLADES AND HALLOWEEN CANDY.
THERE'S NO, THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED.
ACCORDING TO THE FBI AND OKAY.
THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE URBAN LEGEND.
IS THAT YEARS AND DECADES? YES.
WELL, AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I'VE SAID.
I JUST DID, YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO BE REALLY SILLY TO, AS A DRUG DEALER, YOU'D HAVE TO BE A REALLY BAD DRUG DEALER.
UM, I MEAN, ICE CREAM IS A PRETTY GREAT DRUG.
SO AS FAR AS ICE CREAM TRUCKS ARE, WE AGREED THAT WE CAN PERMIT THEM AS CATERING TRUCKS UNDER OUR EXISTING ORDINANCE ANNUAL PERMIT FEE 300.
AND THEN WE WILL PUT IN AN EXCEPTION UNDER THE 32 57, THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE NUISANCE ABATEMENT ORDINANCE TO SAY THAT THESE THINGS DO NOT APPLY TO ICE CREAM TRUCKS.
UM, WE WILL BORROW THE LANGUAGE ABOUT SCHOOL ZONES AND DISTANCE FROM SCHOOLS.
WHEN SCHOOL IS IN SESSION, WE WILL SAY THE MUSIC NEEDS TO STOP.
UM, UH, AN EXCEPTION EXEMPTION AND AN ICE CREAM TRUCK MAY PLAY AMPLIFIED MUSIC WHEN IN MOTION ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS, BUT MUST TERMINATE MUSIC UPON STOPPING TO DEFEND, WHETHER ON A RESIDENTIAL STREET OR CITY PARK.
UM, AND GENERAL OPERATING HOURS WOULD BE 11:00 AM TO SUNSET
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AS DEFINED BY NOAH.DID I COVER EVERYTHING? DID I LEAVE ANYTHING OUT? SOUNDS GOOD.
IS THAT ENOUGH FOR YOU? SHE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT FINES AND THE, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT'S SET BY STATE LAW.
UM, AND OUR CITY, OUR MUNICIPAL JUDGES.
AND SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THE LEGISLATURE WOULD SET.
ONE QUESTION ON THE CATERING ORDINANCE, ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH HOW IT'S WORDED AS FAR AS PRE-PACKAGING AND ICE CREAM? AND WOULD THERE, ARE YOU GOOD WITH HOW THAT IS? OKAY.
CAUSE I'M ASSUMING WE DON'T WANT 'EM DIPPING ICE CREAM.
DOES THAT GIVE YOU, AND YOU AND EVERYBODY, DOES THAT GIVE YOU WHAT YOU NEED FOR ICE CREAM TRUCKS? I BELIEVE SO.
CARTS ARE GONNA BE MORE TOUGH.
SO LET'S ROLL ON TO ICE CREAM CARTS.
SO ICE CREAM CARTS ARE ACTUALLY ALREADY PERMITTED UNDER GCO 2228.
THE PERMIT FEE IS $150 PER CART.
OR IF IT'S A CART, UM, THAT THEY HAVE A, LIKE A, A NORMAL ANNUAL PERMIT.
SO LOOKING OVER THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, THERE'S A FEW THINGS I SEE.
UM, ONE IS THE LOCATION AGAIN, IT SAYS YOU HAVE TO BE WITHIN 300 FEET OF A APPROVED RESTROOM FACILITY AND HAVE WRITTEN PERMISSION FROM THE RESTROOM OWNER TO USE 'EM.
WELL, THESE GUYS ARE NO, OUTSIDE THE SCHOOLS, THEY'RE NOT.
UM, COMMITTEE, I, I THINK THAT'S SENSELESS.
DO EITHER OF YOU SEE A NECESSITY OF HAVING THAT ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT BE PUT ON ICE CREAM CARTS? THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT? WHAT WAS THE REASON THAT IT WAS ISSUE TO BEGIN WITH? WHAT I'M THINKING, BECAUSE FOOD CARTS COVER, THINK OF LIKE THE CORN CARTS IN FRONT OF LIKE THE BAZAAR ON BROADWAY.
I MEAN, THEY HAVE PREPARATION.
SO YOU WOULD WANT THEM TO USE A FACILITY, USE THE RESTROOM, WASH THEIR HANDS.
I'M THINKING THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS.
MIGHT HAVE ALSO BEEN A MOBILE, LIKE THEY MAY HAVE BEEN, PEOPLE MAY HAVE THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS STORAGE OF WHATEVER RESTROOMS ARE USED FOR WHILE THEY'RE ON THE ROAD.
SO THEY WANT TO KEEP 'EM CLOSE TO THE RESTROOM.
DO YOU SEE A REASON TO KEEP THIS IN? NOT AT ALL.
AND FOOD CARTS SHALL BE OPERATED ONLY, ONLY IN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS, ONLY IN SUN CITY PARKS.
I THINK IT'S SAYING ONLY, ONLY IN THE PARK IF THEY HAVE PERMISSION FROM THE PARK BOARD WHAT IT SAYS, BUT NO, IT'S NOT RIGHT EXACTLY.
RIGHT NOW, THE REST OF THAT I DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE TO ME.
WHY DO YOU NEED A FLOOR PLAN FOR A CART? REALLY? NO.
SO DO WE, DO YOU SEE, BRIAN, DO YOU SEE ANY REASON TO KEEP THAT IN THERE RELATING TO FOOD CARTS? IT'S WORDED TERRIBLY.
NO, I DIDN'T WRITE BUILDING FLORENCE.
I WILL BLAME IT ON BRIAN THIS EARLY IN YOUR CAREER, STANDING BEHIND WHOEVER WROTE THIS.
UM, SO REALLY ALL THREE OF THESE THINGS, PROHIBITIONS, NO PERSON MAY CONVEY FOOD FROM A FOOD CART AND, YOU KNOW, FOOD CART IF, IF THEY'RE SELLING FOOD CART, FOOD CARTS AREN'T NECESSARILY ICE CREAM.
SO IF THEY'RE SELLING TACOS, UM, DO WE ARE, ARE BY, BY DOING THIS, ARE WE SAYING WE'RE ALLOWING TACO CARTS ACTUALLY KIND OF A COOL IDEA TO GO THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD
CAN WE HAVE THE SAME REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE FOR ICE CREAM TRUCKS WHERE IT HAS TO BE PRE-PACKAGED AND SEALED? SO IN THE ORDINANCE IT SAYS FOOD ITEMS AND IT HAS NUMBER ONE SALE OF PRE-PACKAGED FOODS AND THEN SECOND ONE SALE OF FOODS PREPARED ON THE CART.
SO THERE IS A DIFFERENTIATION, BUT OKAY, WELL WE NEED TO TAKE ICE CREAM CARTS AND PUT THEM IN THE PRE-PACKAGED SECTION AND HAVE, UM, NO, WE DON'T WANT THESE THINGS TO APPLY TO PREPACKAGED ICE CREAM CARTS.
BUT THESE THINGS COULD APPLY TO OTHER, UM, CARTS IF SOMEBODY'S PREPARING, YOU KNOW, EVEN SCOOPING BUNS.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY, THEY SCOOP ON THEIR CART AND THAT'S OPEN CONTAINERS.
THEY'RE NOT GOING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS.
I DIDN'T KNOW THEY'RE OPENING.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE, I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE A F WE COULD, WE COULD DRAFT IT IN SUCH A WAY WHERE WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS A FOOD CART AND THERE'S A DISTINCTION BETWEEN AND THEN WHAT SHE WAS DESCRIBING WITH PRE-PACKAGED.
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ICE CREAM CART OR WE NEED THAT.YEAH, WE COULD, WE CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YEAH, WE CAN COME UP WITH A DEFINITION FOR PRE-PACKAGED MATERIALS.
I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE THAT DIFFICULT.
BUT ARE WE AT THAT POINT SEEING THEN THAT ICE CREAM CARTS CAN ONLY PROVIDE PREPACKAGED OR WILL THEY CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO SCOOP? THEY WILL, IF THEY'RE A FOOD CART, THEY WILL, THEY'LL BE CONSIDERED A FOOD CART THOUGH.
SO WE WOULD, IF THEY'RE GONNA SCOOP, WE'RE GONNA REGULATE THEM AS A FOOD CART AND NOT AS AN ICE CREAM CART.
SO WE, WE WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING THIS.
SO THEY GO TO BAND TOGETHER ON THE SQUARE.
THEY GO OVER IN FRONT OF THE PLAZA THEATER WHEN WE'RE HAVING EVENTS OVER THERE.
GO TO THE DOG PARK FOR BIG OPENINGS.
I THINK THE PTAS INVITE THEM TO YEAH, I'VE SEEN 'EM AT SCHOOLS AND PT.
BUT THEY ARE NOT A, THE KIND OF FOOD CART THAT GOES THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEY ARE OPEN ON SITE SCOOPING AND PUTTING DIP THINGS ON TOP AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
UM, AND THAT MAY BE AS FAR AS WE, ARE WE TO THE END OF YOUR PRESENTATION? YEAH.
SO LAST TIME YOU HAD ASKED, YOU WANTED TO SEE WHEN I MM-HMM.
SO THIS IS JUST THE WORK THERE.
YOU WANTED TO SEE A CAVEAT HERE BECAUSE WHEN I WAS DISCUSSING THIS WITH BRIAN, UM, UNDER, FOR, FOR INSTANCE FOR PLANO, HE, IT SAYS NOT IF PRE-PACKAGED ONLY IN ITS NAE.
WELL, THEY HAVE AN ORDINANCE FOR CATERING TRUCKS THAT INCLUDES ICE CREAM IF THEY'RE SCOOPING IT OUT.
BUT THEY, WHEN THEY REDID THEIR ORDINANCE, THEY PUT INTO PLACE AN SOP THAT SAID, WE'RE NOT GONNA PERMIT PREPACKAGED.
BUT THEY HAVE AN ORDINANCE WHERE THEY CAN TECHNICALLY PERMIT THEM.
BUT IN THEIR CASE, IN THEIR DEFINITION, THE WAY THAT THEY DEFINE IT, THE ONLY ICE CREAM TRUCK THAT THEY'RE GONNA PERMIT IS ONE THAT SCOOPS, AND THEY'VE ONLY HAD ONE APPLY BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF IT, IT GOES BACK TO THE FOOD TRUCK REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE A LOT MORE STRINGENT THAN PRE-PACKAGED FOODS.
SO IF YOU SEE ANYTHING LIKE THAT OR YOU'RE LOOKING UP SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, SOME OF THESE WE LOOKED UP ON THE INTERNET, BUT THERE WERE A FEW, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HAVE THAT WE ACTUALLY TALKED TO THE PEOPLE AND PLANO WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE SPECIFICALLY SPOKE TO.
AND THAT ALSO RAISES SOMETHING ELSE.
AND, AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS, UM, COME BACK WITH DEFINITIONS AND, AND MORE CLARITY AND HAVE, HAVE SOMETHING SORT OF DRAFTED.
IF YOU CAN DO THAT, BRIAN, WITH WHAT WE PROVIDED TODAY.
UM, ARE WE INTERESTED, LET ME JUST PAUSE HERE.
ARE WE INTERESTED IN JUST, UH, THROWING THE DOORS OPEN AND SAYING NO REQUIREMENTS ABOUT, UM, ICE CREAM TRUCKS OR CARTS THAT ONLY SELL PRE-PACKAGED STUFF? I MEAN, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD MEAN WE'RE NOT CATCHING, UM, MUSIC AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
IS THAT I'M, I'M ASSUMING WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN DOING THAT.
THAT WE WANT TO HAVE SOME REQUIREMENTS.
I THINK IF YOU HAVE MORE RESTRICTIVE HOURS, THEN YOU COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND IT WOULDN'T BE AS, UM, IMPACTFUL ON NEIGHBORHOODS.
BUT WITH, UH, 11 TO SUNDOWN IN THE SUN CASE OF THE SUMMER, THAT'S A VERY LONG TIME TO HAVE SOMEONE GO AROUND YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD IF THEY'RE CIRCLING AND HAVE MUSIC AND YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT STUFF.
SO I, I, I CAN SEE THAT BECOMING QUITE A NUISANCE.
BUT IF YOU HAVE MORE RESTRICTIVE HOURS, MAYBE EVEN LIKE MONTH, LIKE, UH, SPRING TO END OF SUMMER KIND OF THINGS THAT MIGHT, I DON'T KNOW, THAT MIGHT JUST BE GETTING WAY TOO MUCH INTO THE WEEDS AND WITH RESTRICTIONS, BUT YEAH.
WELL, ARE WE, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE, I MEAN, I'M NOT GOING TO GET ICE CREAM OFF OF AN ICE CREAM TRUCK.
I DON'T LIKE ANY OF THOSE THINGS.
BUT IF YOU HAD SOMEONE THAT HAD LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE WAFFLE CONE WITH THE SCOOP AND THE HOT FUDGE ON IT, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD GET.
UM, BUT I HAVE NO INTEREST IN JUST REGULAR MICKEY MOUSE POPS.
THAT JUST DOESN'T APPEAL TO ME AT ALL.
SO I, I'M JUST DOING A REALITY CHECK BEFORE WE PUT THEM TO THE TROUBLE OF DRAFTING AN ORDINANCE WITH SUMMIT.
AND THESE ARE PRETTY BASIC, UM, BASIC GUIDELINES AND I, I THINK WE'RE TAKING OUT A LOT OF THE CRAZY THINGS THAT WOULD, UM, BE ONEROUS.
SO ARE ARE, AM I HEARING WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN JUST SAYING IT'S A FREE FOR ALL IF
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YOU'RE SELLING PRE-PACKAGED ICE CREAM, WE'RE NOT PUTTING ANY RULES ON YOU AT ALL.I WELL, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE JUST PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO
IT'S BEFORE WE TRIGGER, BEFORE WE TRIGGER IT.
I MEAN, SEEING IT HOW PLANO WENT THAT WAY, I JUST WANT TO RAISE THAT QUESTION.
WE HAVE UM, WE HAVE SEEN IN, IN SOME CIRCLES THAT THEY PREFER HAVING IT BE A FREE FOR ALL.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE BEFORE WE GO TO THE TROUBLE OF PUTTING THIS INTO MORE CONCRETE FORM, THAT EVERYBODY IS OKAY WITH THAT, THAT WE'RE, WHO DOES THE PERMITTING HEALTH? WE DO.
UH, I I LIKE THE TERMS THAT WE'VE SET FORTH SO FAR.
I THINK THAT THEY'RE YEAH, I DO TOO.
JUST I'M CHECKING WITH YOU GUYS FIRST.
UM, SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THIS BE IN THIS, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED ONLY, THEY'RE EVERYWHERE.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE A LIST OF ICE CREAM TRUCKS OR I GUESS WE SHOULD HAVE A LIST OF ICE CREAM CARTS SINCE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE AN ORDINANCE.
BUT THERE AREN'T ANY PERMITTED
SO SINCE WE'VE PROHIBITED AND THEY'VE JUST DONE IT ANYWAY, UM, IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE ONCE WE START GOING THIS WAY, HOW MANY OF THEM WE ACTUALLY GET A LIST OF.
UM, I'VE HEARD THERE'S SOME INTEREST FROM A FEW ICE CREAM TRUCKS THAT HAVE ALREADY INQUIRED.
WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR I THINK THAT THAT'S A, THIS IS A VALID QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, WE PUT DIFFERENT RULES AND REGULATIONS INTO PLACE AND WHAT, HOW DO YOU ENFORCE, HOW WILL YOU ENFORCE WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE PRESENTLY? WELL, UPON PERMITTING, WE'LL GIVE THEM ALL OF THIS SHOULD, THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO ABIDE BY.
AND WE CAN LOOK OVER THEIR CART AND MAKE SURE IT CONFORMS TO THE, WHAT IT'S TALKING ABOUT IN THE ORDINANCE HAS TO CONFORM TO.
UM, I MEAN BESIDES THAT, IT'S JUST GONNA BE COMPLAINT BASED.
NOW WITH CATERING TRUCKS, IT WAS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU'RE OUT AND ABOUT AND YOU SEE ONE OF THESE, GO AHEAD CUZ IT'S RARE THAT YOU CAN FIND THEM OPERATING, GO AHEAD AND DO THE INSPECTION AND GO FROM THERE.
BUT IT'S GONNA BE LARGELY COMP COMPLAINT BASED.
ALSO HARD TO CATCH THEM BECAUSE I'M SITTING HERE THINKING WE DO NOT HAVE A LIST PRESENTLY AND WE'RE SEEING THEM ALL OVER THE PLACE ALREADY.
WE CAUGHT ALL IN ONE WEEK THE SAME COMPANY.
SO I WROTE THAT COMPANY A LETTER.
UM, AND, AND YOU SAY YOU CAUGHT THEM.
HOW DID YOU CATCH THEM? UM, WE HAD COMPLAINTS.
AND SO, UH, WE KNEW WHAT TIMES THEY WERE OUT AT CERTAIN SCHOOLS AND SO WE SENT PEOPLE OUT AND SO I SENT THEM A LETTER AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DROPPED OFF SINCE
WE COULD SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA LET YOU NOW YOU JUST NEED TO COME GET A PERMIT.
THAT'S THE BIGGEST ADVANTAGE I'LL SAY OF THE PERMIT IS, IS BECAUSE IT'S PRE-PACKAGED.
UM, I'LL LET THE HEALTH EXPERTS CORRECT THE LAWYER, BUT IN MY MIND IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE PREPACKAGED MATERIALS, IT'S ABOUT TRACKING WHO'S DRIVING THESE TRUCKS AND OPERATING THESE CARTS.
AND IF THERE IS A COMPLAINT WE HAVE, AND THE REASON WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, IS BECAUSE WE PROHIBIT THEM.
AND SO THERE'S NO REASON FOR THEM TO COME IN AND ASK FOR SOMETHING THAT'S PROHIBITED, THAT'D ONLY DRAW ATTENTION TO 'EM.
THAT'S THE MAIN REASON FOR A PERMIT.
WELL, AND AND THE OTHER THING THERE IS WHERE I SEE THAT WE HAVE SOME ABILITY TO CURTAIL DRUG TRAFFICKING IF IN FACT THAT LEGEND IS TRUE.
SO AT LEAST WE HAVE CONTACT INFORMATION.
WE MIGHT, WE MIGHT EVEN GET, UM, COMPLAINTS FROM THE PERMITTED, THE ONES THAT ARE LEGAL EXACTLY ABOUT THE ONES WHO AREN'T BEING, LIKE WE DO FROM FOOD TRACK WHO ARE COMPLAINING THERE ARE SOMETHING ON THAT PERMITTED RIGHT.
TRACK SOMETHING ON THAT COURT OR THAT SAYS THAT, HEY, I'M LEGAL AND YOU'RE NOT.
OKAY, WELL THANK YOU FOR, UH, COMMITTEE FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
AND UM, AND AGAIN, BRIAN, YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO COME BACK TO US NEXT MONTH WITH A TALK WITH THEM AND I'LL HAVE Y'ALL SOMETHING.
AND SO THAT GETS US TO ITEM FIVE ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS TO ADJOURN.
SO AT 4:59 PM WE ARE ADJOURNED.