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OKAY.[ Community Services Committee on July 11, 2023]
UM, THIS IS TUESDAY, JULY 11TH, 2023.IT'S 4:00 PM AND THIS IS A MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE AND WITH ME, OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS, ED MOORE AND MARGARET LUCK.
UM, FIRST ON OUR AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, HAVE YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW OUR LAST, UH, THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING? MOTION TO APPROVE.
CASE THAT AS IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.
UH, ITEM TWO IS PUBLIC COMMENTS.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE OR SIGNED UP? NO, MA'AM.
UH, ITEM THREE, WHICH IS ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
AND, UM, FIRST ON THAT, THREE A IS TO DISCUSS MOBILE ICE CREAM SALES.
I, I'M GOING TO TURN OVER A GREAT DEAL OF THIS TO CITY ATTORNEY BRIAN ENGLAND BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A FEW, UH, SURPRISES IN THE LAST FEW DAYS.
AND, UH, THANKS TO MANDY WHO HAS SHARP EYES AND, AND NOTICED THAT OUR LEGISLATURE HAS, UH, PASSED SOME MORE THINGS THAT COULD PREEMPT SOME OF OUR ABILITIES TO, TO, UH, LEGISLATE IN THIS AREA.
SO, UM, JUST AS A REFRESHER, WE WENT BACK, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY A REFERRAL BY FORMER COUNCILMAN ROBERT JOHN SMITH, UH, WHO WAS TROUBLED BY THE FACT THAT WE HAD THIS LONGSTANDING PROHIBITION ON ICE CREAM TRUCKS IN THE CITY OF GARLAND.
UM, IN TALKING TO STAFF THAT APPARENTLY DATED BACK TO RUMORS THAT NEVER WERE MORE THAN RUMORS BY ANY KIND OF, UM, UH, RECORDS THAT COULD BE FOUND THAT SOME ICE CREAM TRUCKS IN GARLAND DECADES AGO WERE SUSPECTED OF SELLING DRUGS INSTEAD OF ICE CREAM.
SO WE'VE HAD THIS PROHIBITION THAT FRANKLY, HAS BEEN LARGELY IGNORED FOR ALL THESE YEARS, UM, AND HAVE HAD, I THINK STAFF SAID BASICALLY MAYBE ONE COMPLAINT FROM SOMEONE WHO WAS A COMPETITOR OVER THE YEARS.
UM, AND, AND COUNSEL APPROVED THE REPEAL OF THE PROHIBITION ON FLAT PROHIBITION ON ICE CREAM TRUCK SALES.
AND SO AT THIS POINT, WE STARTED INTO THE PROCESS OF DEFINING, UH, REGULATIONS THAT WE WANTED ABOUT THE, UM, ORIGINALLY ABOUT THE, UM, FEES INVOLVED, THE PERMIT PROCESS AND THE OPERATIONS OF ICE CREAM TRUCKS AND ICE CREAM CARTS.
THAT'S HOW FAR WE GOT IN THE LAST MEETING.
AND WE HAD CHARGED THE CITY ATTORNEY WITH BRINGING TO US A DRAFT ORDINANCE, UM, THAT WOULD TRY TO CAPTURE, UM, WHAT WE HAD SPOKEN ABOUT IN OUR, UM, SOME OF OUR PREFERENCES, WHICH HE DID, BUT THEN, UH, DISCOVERED BELATEDLY THAT, UM, AND I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO HIM TO DESCRIBE THAT, BUT THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS IN FACT, REMOVED, UH, POTENTIALLY OUR ABILITY TO, UH, SPEAK TO THE PERMIT PROCESS, FEE PROCESS.
SO, MR. ENG ENGLAND, WILL YOU PICK IT UP FROM THERE AND WALK US THROUGH THIS? SURE.
SO, UH, MANDY, UM, UM, BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION HOUSE BILL 28 78, WHICH IS A BILL THAT WAS PASSED BY THE LEGISLATURE, UH, THIS PAST SESSION.
AND IN THAT BILL, WHAT IT DOES, IT'S, IT'S A BRACKET LEGISLATION THAT REALLY ONLY APPLIES TO TWO COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
AND IT APPLIES TO DALLAS COUNTY AND TARRANT COUNTY.
AND I SUSPECT WHAT HAPPENED, A, A MOBILE FOOD VENDING COMPANY WHO WAS OPERATING PROBABLY IN ARLINGTON OR SOMEWHERE AROUND THE BORDER OF DALLAS AND FORT WORTH, UM, UM, THEY WERE HAVING TO GET THEIR FOOD TRUCKS, WHICH WERE SERVING BOTH DALLAS COUNTY AND TARRANT COUNTY, OR ARLINGTON AND FORT WORTH, OR DALLAS AND FORT WORTH.
UM, UM, AND THEY WERE HAVING TO GET PERMITS IN MUL MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS.
AND SO I SUSPECT THAT THEY, THEY, THEY WENT TO THEIR REPRESEN REPRESENTATIVE AND SAID, HEY, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO WHERE IF WE ARE WORKING IN MULTIPLE COUNTIES, WE ONLY HAVE TO, INSTEAD OF GOING TO MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS, WHETHER THAT'S COUNTIES OR MUNICIPALITIES, WE NEED TO GET ONE PERMIT TO OPERATE IN MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS LEGISLATION WAS DESIGNED TO DO.
AND, UM, UM, IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT, THE QUESTIONS NOW ARISE.
SO TO WHAT EXTENT, IF ANY, ARE WE PREEMPTED AS A MUNICIPALITY FROM PERMITTING THESE TRUCKS? AND, AND THERE ARE LEGAL ARGUMENTS THAT YOU COULD MAKE SAYING THAT, OKAY, THIS DOESN'T REALLY, IN THE, IN THE LEGISLATION, IT DOESN'T EXPRESSLY STATE THAT ONLY A COUNTY HAS TO, UM, ONLY, ONLY A COUNTY IS ALLOWED TO, UM,
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REQUIRE THESE MOBILE FOOD VENDORS TO, TO GET A PERMIT THAT NOWHERE DOES IT PRECLUDE A CITY, WHICH IS TRUE.BUT THIS IS HOW, AS I WAS EXPLAINING TO THE CHAIRWOMAN EARLIER TODAY, THAT WHEN MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS START REQUIRING, UM, APPLICANTS TO, TO PULL THE SAME PERMIT IN MULTIPLE JURISDICTION, THIS IS, THAT'S HOW YOU END UP WITH SUPER PREEMPTION LEGISLATION.
AND SO IF WE WERE TO REQUIRE THEM TO GET A PERMIT AND DALLAS COUNTY, IN ADDITION TO DALLAS COUNTY'S PERMIT, UM, I WOULD IMAGINE YOU WOULD HAVE MOBILE FOOD VENDORS UPSET AND THEY WOULD APPROACH THEIR LEGISLATOR AGAIN AND ASK FOR A LEGISLATION NEXT SESSION WHERE WE'RE PREEMPTED.
I CAN SAY THIS AT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE IS NOT INCLUDED IN ONE OF THE, UM, CODES IN THE PRE SUPER PREEMPTION BILL.
UM, AND SO JUST BECAUSE THEY TOUCH IT, THIS, THEY TOUCH THIS SUBJECT, DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE AUTOMATICALLY PREEMPTED.
BUT I HAVE TO SAY THAT THIS, THE 28 78 IS, IT'S THOROUGH ENOUGH TO WHERE THERE'S A GOOD ARGUMENT TO MAKE THAT WE ARE PREEMPTED FROM AT LEAST THE PERMITTING AND THE INITIAL, UM, INSPECTION SIDE OF IT TO GET A PERMIT.
UM, AND YOU COULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT AS YOU READ THROUGH 28 78, THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY PREEMPTED FROM EVEN INSPECTING THESE VEHICLES ONCE THEY START OPERATIONS THAT AR THAT ARGUMENT CAN BE MADE.
AND SO I WANT Y'ALL TO BE AWARE OF THE RISK THAT DOWN THE ROAD, SOMEBODY COULD TELL US THAT WE DON'T THINK YOU'RE ALLOWED TO COME DO FIELD OPERATION INSPECTIONS ON US BECAUSE THIS BILL, 28 78 GAVE THAT JURISDICTION TO THE COUNTY.
AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE.
UM, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE AND IT IS A RISK AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO IN RESPONSE TO THIS, UM, DESPITE THE DRAFT THAT I HAD SENT Y'ALL, UM, THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, THAT DRAFT, UH, 80% OF IT'S GONNA BE FINE, I THINK, UM, UNLESS WE'RE COMPLETELY FILLED PREEMPTED IN THIS, WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE WE ARE.
AND SO AS WE GO OVER THE DRAFT THAT I SENT Y'ALL, I'M GONNA, I'LL, I WILL FOCUS ON THE PROVISIONS THAT WILL BE IN THE NEXT DRAFT AND THAT ARE GOOD.
AND I'M GONNA IGNORE THE PROVISIONS THAT ARE BAD.
AND MOST OF THE PROVISIONS THAT ARE BAD ARE GONNA BE PERMIT PERMITTING AND INITIAL, UM, INSPECTIONS.
AND WHAT ALL THE NEXT DRAFT'S GONNA BE IS FOR THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
IT'S JUST GOING TO SAY IF YOU'RE GONNA OPERATE A MO A ICE CREAM TRUCK, OR IN FACT, THIS IS GONNA TOUCH NOT JUST ICE CREAM TRUCKS.
IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA TOUCH, UM, MOBILE FOOD UNITS, IT'S GONNA TOUCH, TOUCH CATERING TRUCKS.
IT'S GOING TO TOUCH, UM, THE, THE, THE FOOD CARTS.
AND SO, AND BASICALLY WHAT IT'S GONNA SAY, AND IF YOU'RE GONNA OPERATE ANY OF THOSE IN THE CITY OF GARLAND, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VALID PERMIT FROM DALLAS COUNTY.
AND THEN WE'LL REMOVE ALL THE PROVISIONS IN THERE THAT SAY WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO GET A PERMIT, BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY UP TO DALLAS COUNTY WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
AND I'LL BE INTERESTED TO SEE HOW DALLAS COUNTY REGULATES THE ACTUAL HEALTH, HEALTH AND SAFETY PART OF THAT.
AND, UM, UM, AND WHAT IT DOES TO, AND WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE GONNA DO AS FAR AS AMENDING THE TEXAS, UM, UM, FOOD REGULATIONS, UH, FOOD ESTABLISHMENT REGULATIONS.
CUZ RIGHT NOW THOSE ALLOW US TO AMEND IT.
AND WE HAVE A BUNCH OF AMENDMENTS, BUT IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS ONCE, UM, ONCE ALL THIS GETS WORKED OUT.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR, UM, ORDINANCE THAT I I GAVE YOU, YOU'LL SEE THAT, UM, I ADDED A DEFINITION FOR ICE CREAM TRUCK ON THAT FIRST PAGE.
WE'LL KEEP THAT IN THERE CUZ THAT'S HELPFUL.
BUT I ALSO WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO YOU THAT, THAT I CHANGED IT A LITTLE BIT.
I WENT BEYOND WHAT Y'ALL ASKED ME TO DO AND I'M READY TO MARK IT OUT BECAUSE, UM, UM, AS I LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES, I NOTICED THAT MOST CITIES CONSIDERED, UM, SNOW CONE VEHICLES AS ICE CREAM TRUCKS.
AND SO I ADDED IN THERE, YOU'LL SEE, OR ICE FLAVORED WITH SYRUP IS CARRIED FOR PURPOSES OF RETAIL SELL ON THE STREET.
SO, SO IT'S FROZEN DAIRY PRODUCTS OR ICE FLAVORED ICE FLAVORED WITH SYRUP IS CARRIED FOR PURPOSES.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S THE ICE FLAVORED WITH SYRUP IS THE SNOW CONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THERE.
I'LL PUT IT IN THERE SO Y'ALL CAN GIMME DIRECTION WHETHER TO STRIKE IT OR NOT.
UH, I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE THAT TO BE IN THERE.
SO AS LONG AS THAT DOESN'T OPEN THE DOOR FOR EVERY FOOD TRUCK IN THE CITY TO TROLL NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, NOPE.
BUT THAT'S CLOSE ENOUGH TO ICE CREAM.
UM, COMMITTEE JUST GOING THROUGH THIS.
THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, IF YOU FLIP OVER TO PAGE TWO, UM, YOU'LL SEE, UM, OH TWO INITIAL PERMITTING INSPECTION THAT'S GONNA BE DELETED THAT'LL NO LONGER BE THERE.
IT'S BASICALLY IT'LL HAVE SOMETHING RELATED TO, YOU HAVE TO GO GET A PERMIT FROM THE COUNTY.
UM, THE FIRST PROVISION ABOUT THE CONFLICT THAT'S GONNA STAY THERE, THAT'S BASICALLY JUST SAYING THAT IT'S A CATCHALL IN CASE WE HAVE SOMETHING ELSE SOMEWHERE IN OUR, ELSE, IN OUR ORDINANCES THAT I DIDN'T CATCH RELATED TO THE OPERATION OF THESE VEHICLES IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS OR OTHER PLACES.
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A CONFLICT PROVISION THAT SAYS THAT THESE SPECIFIC PROVISIONS IN THIS SECTION RELATED TO ICE CREAM TRUCKS WILL CONTROL IF THERE'S A CONFLICT ANYWHERE ELSE IN OUR ORDINANCE.AND THEN SUBSECTION THREE, I BELIEVE THIS WILL STAY IT'S OPERATION LOCATIONS.
AND THIS IS WHAT Y'ALL DISCUSSED LAST TIME.
I WENT BACK AND WATCHED THE VIDEO AND TRIED TO GO THROUGH AND MAKE SURE I COVERED EVERY, EVERY PLACE THE LOCATIONS AND THE TIMES FOR ICE CREAM TRUCKS MAY OPERATE AND CONDUCT BUSINESS WITHIN PUBLIC.
AND SO, UM, IT INCLUDED, YOU'LL SEE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, I SAID IN THE UMBRELLA PARAGRAPH, BUT THEN YOU GO TO SUBSECTION A, UM, IT TALKS ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE CITY AND STATE HEALTH LAWS.
I'M, I'M GONNA CHAM PUT COUNTY IN THERE AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNTY'S COVERED.
IN FACT, MY NEXT DRAFT THAT I'VE ALREADY STARTED WORKING ON ALREADY HAS COUNTY IN THERE AND THEN AN ICE CREAM TRUCK.
B AN ICE CREAM TRUCK VENDOR SHALL NOT VENT WITHIN 40, 40 FEET OF ANY INTERSECTION, STOP SIGN, FLASHING BEACON, YIELD SIGN, OR OTHER TRAFFIC CONTROL SIGNAL.
THIS KEEPS SAYING FROM STOPPING TWO CLOSE, CURRENTLY STATE LAW DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO PARK WITHIN 40 FEET.
AND SO WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT AN ICE CREAM TRUCK STANDING, UM, AND VENDING WITHIN 40 FEET OF, UM, THOSE, UM, TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES.
AND THEN ALSO IN SUBSECTION C, AN ICE CREAM TRUCK WHEN STOPPING FOR THE PURPOSE OF MAKING CELLS MAY ONLY PARK OR STAND IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, AS FAR AS PRACTICAL FROM TRAFFIC AND SHALL OPERATE FLASHERS AND SIGNALS WHEN STOPPED.
AND, UM, AND THEN THERE'S SOME, UM, BASIC JUST, UH, TRAFFIC SAFETY, UM, PROVISIONS THERE ABOUT YOU CAN'T STOP FOR THE PURPOSE OF MAKING CELLS THAT PREVENT PASSAGES OF OTHER MOTOR VEHICLES.
AND SO YOU CAN'T STOP TRAFFIC AND CONDUCT YOUR BUSINESS KEEPING PEOPLE BEHIND YOU WHERE THEY CAN'T PASS.
THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THAT'S FOR.
AND THEN D ICE CREAM TRUCK VENDOR SHALL ONLY BEND ON THE PASSENGER SIDE OF THE ICE CREAM TRUCK, UM, UH, WHEN THEY'RE STOPPED.
SO WE DON'T HAVE KIDS STANDING IN THE ROADWAY GETTING THEIR ICE CREAM AND ICE CREAM TRUCK.
ICE CREAM TRUCKS MAY ONLY OPERATE A HORN SOUND AMPLIFICATION SYSTEM OR OTHER SOUND PRODUCING OF ICE OR MUSIC SYSTEM DURING AUTHORIZED VENDING PERIODS.
SO WITHIN THE APPROPRIATE HOURS, BUT NOT WHEN THE TRUCK IS STATIONARY.
AND SO THAT, THAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM OF A TRUCK THAT'S PARKED AND LEAVING ITS, UM, SOUND AMPLIFICATION EQUIPMENT RUNNING WHILE IT'S STOPPED.
UM, AS FAR AS OPERATING A HORN WHILE, UM, STOPPED HMM.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY, UM, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD LOOK AT MAYBE.
ONLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY'S COMING REALLY FAST AND THEY WANNA PROTECT THE KIDS, THEY HONK THEIR HORN AT 'EM.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, I MEAN, I'M SURE NOBODY WOULD CALL ON THEM IF, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T WANT THAT TO EVEN BE A, AN ISSUE.
YOU KNOW, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD WORRY ABOUT IN THAT IS THAT NUMBER ONE, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD WRITE A CITATION FOR SOMEBODY.
I DON'T THINK SO EITHER, BUT I THINK THE, THE REASON IS I'VE PUT HORN IN THERE IS BECAUSE THERE ARE HORNS, THERE ARE SOUNDS THAT ARE ACTIVATED BY THE HORN ON A VEHICLE.
THERE MEANS, THAT'S THE REASON I PUT THAT IN THERE.
UM, I I THINK ULTIMATELY I SEE, I SEE YOUR POINT.
I THINK ULTIMATELY WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO, UM, TRUST THE DISCRETION OF THE OFFICER WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA WRITE A TICKET FOR HONKING AT SOMEBODY FOR A SAFETY REASON.
I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT WOULD BE, AND THEN OPERATIONS PRE, UH, PROHIBITED IN THE VICINITY OF SCHOOLS, AND THIS IS, UM, AT Y'ALL'S DIRECTION, AN ICE CREAM TRUCK MAY NOT CONDUCT VENDING OPERATIONS OR OPERATE AT HORN SOUND AMPLIFICATION SUCH OR OTHER SOUND PRODUCING DEVICE OR MUSIC SYSTEMS. ONE WITHIN A SCHOOL ZONE THAT IS OPERATIONAL ON DAYS IN WHICH SCHOOLS ARE IN SESSION OR TWO WITHIN TWO CITY BLOCKS OR 600 FEET, WHICHEVER IS GREATER OF THE GROUNDS OF PUBLIC, PRIVATE OR PAROCHIAL ELEMENTARY OR SECONDARY SCHOOL BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 11:00 AM THERE'S A TYPO, 11:00 AM AND 4:30 PM ON DAYS WHEN SCHOOL IS IN SESSION.
SO I COVER BOTH THE SCHOOL ZONES AND THE SCHOOLS THEMSELVES.
UM, IS THIS SAYING A SCHOOL ZONE THAT IS OPERATIONAL, IS THAT SAYING AN ACTIVE SCHOOL ZONE? YES.
UM, IS FOR CLARITY, CAN, CAN YOU SAY AN ACTIVE SCHOOL ZONE? I CAN, I WAS, I WAS TRACKING WITH STATE LAW.
BUT I CAN, I CAN MAKE AN ACTIVE, IT'S FOR PEOPLE WHO READ THIS CUZ AN ACT A SCHOOL ZONE CAN BE, THAT'S, THAT'S OPERATIONAL ON DAYS IN WHICH SCHOOLS ARE IN SESSION.
THE OPERATIONAL PART COULD BE REFERRING EITHER TO THE SCHOOL ZONE OR TO THE DAYS IN WHICH SCHOOLS ARE IN SESSION.
AN ICE CREAM TRUCK MAY OPERATE WITHIN A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 11:00 AM AND 30 MINUTES BEFORE SUNSET AS DEFINED BY THE NATIONAL OCEANIC AND ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION, NOAA.
AND THEN I THINK ALL OF THOSE THINGS, ALL THE OPERATIONAL PROVISIONS THAT WE JUST WENT OVER, I THINK ALL THOSE, WE CAN
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AT LEAST MAKE A SOUND ARGUMENT THAT THOSE ARE NOT PREEMPTED BY, UM, 28, 27.I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THOSE.
AND SO AS Y'ALL POINTED OUT ALSO THAT, UM, ACTUALLY I THINK, UM, UH, MANDY POINTED OUT LAST TIME WE MET THAT, UM, THESE PROVISIONS IN THIS SECTION OF THE CODE ALSO TOUCH OTHER PROVISIONS, UM, LIKE 32 57, THE OVERSIZED AND OTHER VEHICLES RESTRICTIONS IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES.
AND SO WHAT I DID THERE, I ADDED A C 10, UM, UM, A PERSON COMMITS OFFENSE IF THE PERSON PARKS A CATERING TRUCK OR MOBILE FOOD UNIT, FOOD UNIT, BUT NOT INCLUDED LAWFULLY OPERATING ICE CREAM TRUCKS AT ANY PLACE WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
AND SO THAT WILL ACCEPT ICE CREAM TRUCKS WHILE STILL PRO PROHIBITING OTHER MOBILE FOOD UNITS FROM OPERATING IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
BUT IT WILL ALLOW ICE CREAM TRUCKS.
AND I KNOW Y'ALL WERE CONCERNED WITH HAVING CATERING TRUCKS AND OTHER MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES, UM, DOING BUSINESS IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
AND THEN THE NEXT SECTION FOUR, IF YOU FLIP OVER THE NEXT PAGE, THIS IS TALKS ABOUT, THIS IS THE NOISE ORDINANCE AND IT TALKS ABOUT, UM, UH, EXTERIOR LOUD, EXTERIOR LOUD SPEAKERS AND A THREE.
AND, UM, IF YOU LOOKED AT THE VERY END OF THAT PARAGRAPH, MOST OF THIS PARAGRAPH IS ALREADY THERE.
BUT I ADDED AT THE END, UM, OR THE LOUD SPEAKER OR SOUND AMPLIFYING EQUIPMENT IS MOUNTED UPON AN OTHERWISE LAWFULLY OPERATING ICE CREAM TRUCK.
AND SO YOU CAN OPERATE, SO THAT'S THE EXCEPTION.
YOU CAN HAVE AN EXTERIOR LOUD SPEAKER AS LONG AS IT'S AN A LAWFULLY OPERATING ICE CREAM TRUCK.
AND THAT INCLUDES WITH PERMITS AND, AND YOU'RE DOING EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'RE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO DO.
YOU'RE ALLOWED TO, IT'S, YOU'RE DOING IT, YOU'RE BETWEEN 11:00 AM AND 30 MINUTES BEFORE SUNSET.
IT'S NOT WITHIN THE, THE, UM, AREA OF THE SCHOOL, THE PROHIBITED AREA OF THE SCHOOL.
AND SO, UM, I I HAD AN EXCEPTION THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T ACCIDENTALLY HAVE A CONFLICT THERE.
I AM CONCERNED THAT THERE MIGHT BE A CONFLICT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE, IN THE ORDINANCES.
I I WENT THROUGH IT REAL QUICK.
UM, AND SO THAT'S THE REASON, IF YOU RECALL, WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THE CONFLICT PROVISION IN THE TOP.
I ADDED THAT ON THERE IN CASE THERE IS SOMETHING WE MISSED ANY QUESTIONS.
AND THE NEXT VERSION ALSO HAS, UM, A PROVISION RELATED TO FOOD CARTS.
AND BASICALLY IT SAYS THAT A FOOD CART, AND THIS ISN'T IN THE ONE YOU'RE HAVING YOUR HAND, BUT IT'LL BE IN THE NEXT ONE.
THAT'S THE CORRECT VERSION WITH TAKING, CONSIDERING UMB 28, 27, UM, THE FOOD CART.
BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE AMENDING TO THAT, IT'S GONNA BE, UM, UM, YOU HAVE TO, YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO SELL, UM, PRE-PACKAGED FOODS FROM FOOD CARTS.
AND SO THERE'S NO, UM, UH, YOU CAN'T PREPARE FOOD ON THE CART AND WHILE YOU'RE SELLING THE CART, UNLESS Y'ALL WANTED THAT, WE CAN ADD THAT IN THERE.
SCOOP AND BUNS, THEY PREPARE, THEY SCOOP, YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS IS VERY MUCH LIKE A SNOW CONE.
UM, SO I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA OUTLAW THEM.
THIS IS SOMETHING NOW THEY'RE NOT GOING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS HEADS.
UH, CAN I GO THERE? PLEASE DO.
SO I THINK WHAT WAS DISCUSSED LAST TIME IS DIFFERENTIATING PRE-PACKAGED AND PACKAGED.
SO WITH THE DEFINITION OF ADDING IN THE SNOW CONES THAT OPENS UP LIKE TO CONE ICE, THEY CAN NOW PERUSE THE STREETS.
BUT THAT, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IS PACKAGE VERSUS OPEN SERVING.
SO, UM, I HAD A NOTE ON THERE THAT, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF THE FOOD CART.
I THINK IT WAS YOU THAT SAID YOU NEED TO DIFFERENTIATE THOSE TYPES OF CARTS.
SO IN THE, IN THE WAY YOU MAKE THE ROLL IS YOU CAN JUST DIFFERENTIATE ICE CREAM CART OR FOOD PREPARATION CART.
DON'T THEY PREPARE THOUGH? THEY DO.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THEY, THERE NEEDS TO BE THAT SEPARATION.
SO KONA ICE ALSO HAS A FOOD CART AS WELL AS A NO.
NO, BUT, BUT IT'S VERY SIMILAR IN THAT KONA ICE, THEY'RE IN THE TRUCK, THEY, THEY SCOOP RIGHT? SAVED ICE.
THEY HAND IT TO THE CUSTOMER THROUGH THE WINDOW AND THE CUSTOMER THEN DISPENSES SYRUP FROM LIKE A YEAH, IT'S LIKE A SNOW CONE.
IT IS A SNOW, IT'S A SNOW C WELL, ALL WE'VE DONE IS WITH, WITH THE SNOW CONE VEHICLES, ALL WE'VE DONE IS JUST, IT'S A LEGAL FICTION.
BUT WE DO THIS AT OTHER PLACES IN THE LAW THAT WE'RE SAYING THAT'S AN ICE CREAM.
IT'S A, IT'S A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO THAT ISSUE.
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NOW, THE ISSUE OF DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN TYPES OF FOOD CARTS, I GUESS THE DIRECTION I NEED IS, ARE WE SAYING WE DON'T WANT PREPACKAGED, WE ONLY WANT PREPACKAGED FOOD CARTS OR NOT, OR WE WANT TO HAVE FOOD CARDS THAT ALLOW FOOD PREPARATION ON THE CART ITSELF? THAT'S THE QUESTION.WELL, FOOD PREPARATION, I MEAN THAT, AGAIN, LOOK, LOOKING AT SOME OF THE, THE LANGUAGE HERE IN 28 78, IT SOUNDS LIKE FOOD TRUCKS PERIOD ARE ALL BEING PUT INTO THE SAME CATEGORY AS ICE CREAM TRUCKS.
HERE'S, WELL, HERE'S, HERE'S HOW IT GOES ALONG WITH THE CURRENT STRUCTURE TOO.
YOU HAVE YOUR 28 78 COMES IN AND ADDS THIS NEW CATEGORY OF MOBILE FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT.
AND THAT'S ONE OR MORE TRUCKS OR AN ACTUAL ESTABLISHMENT.
AND THEN UNDER THAT YOU HAVE THEN YOUR MOBILE FOOD UNITS.
AND UNDER MOBILE FOOD UNITS, YOU HAVE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT, YOU HAVE YOUR CATERING TRUCKS, YOU HAVE YOUR MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES, YOU HAVE YOUR FOOD CARTS, YOU HAVE YOUR ICE, AND THEN UNDER, AND YOUR CATERING TRUCKS.
AND THEN UNDER CATERING TRUCKS, WHAT WE'VE DONE, WE'VE SAID, OKAY, ICE CREAM TRUCKS ARE A TYPE OF CATERING TRUCK.
AND THE REASON WE MADE THAT DECISION IS BECAUSE OF THE, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE WITH CATERING TRUCK COOKING FOOD.
AND SO THE EXCEPTION WITH ICE CREAM TRUCKS, SO IS UNLIKE OTHER CATERING TRUCKS, ICE CREAM TRUCKS CAN HAVE SNOW CONES.
THAT'S THE, THERE'S, THERE'S THE EXCEPTION THAT IT'S BEEN CARVED OUT.
OKAY? AND SO YES, YOU'RE CORRECT UNDER ALL THAT IT'S CAPTURED MO MOBILE FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT ENCOMPASSES ALL THOSE THINGS UNDER THE CURRENT OR UNDER THE NEW, UM, STATUTE.
THE THING IS, KONA ICE HAS BEEN ABLE TO OPERATE RIGHT NOW UNDER A MOBILE FEED BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT CONSIDERED THE SAME AS ICE CREAM TRUCKS.
SO JUST ADDING THEM IN THE DEFINITION, I THINK I JUST HEARD YOU SAY THAT CATERING TRUCKS WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THEIR FOOD PREPACKAGED.
THEY GO TO A COMMISSARY AND GET THE, THAT'S THE NORMAL OPERATION OF THEM.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TRUCKS THAT ARE MOSTLY GO TO LIKE, UM, CONSTRUCTION SITE.
I MEAN THEY PREPARING THE FOOD AND IT'S SMELLING.
AND THAT'S A MOBILE, THAT'S A MOBILE FOOD TRUCK.
THAT'S A MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION.
MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLE MOBILE.
SO, OKAY, SO CATERING TRUCKS ARE NOT OKAY.
COMMITTEE, WHAT ARE IT'S CONFUS DEFINE CONFUSING.
WELL, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN CONFUSING THAT, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT UNCON CONFUSING.
CUZ THIS IS GONNA HAVE TO EVENTUALLY WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO TO COUNSEL AND IT'S GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SENSE, WHICH I'M ALREADY GOING, WHAT ARE THE ODDS? UM, SO I BLAME ROBERT JOHN SMITH.
UM, WHAT ARE OUR CONCERNS? WHAT DO WE NOT WANT? I'M ASSUMING WE DO NOT WANT MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION VEHICLES CRUISING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
IS THAT TRUE? THAT'S TRUE, YES, THAT'S TRUE IN NEIGHBORHOODS, NO.
SO, SO THAT'S WHERE FOOD IS BEING PREPARED.
I DON'T KNOW THAT SCOOP AND BUNS HAS EVER EVEN WANTED TO CRUISE IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
I SUSPECT THEY DON'T, WITH THEIR CART, THEY TAKE IT TO EVENTS.
BUT I ALSO DON'T WANNA REGULATE THEM WHERE THEY CAN NO LONGER DO WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG.
AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A BRICK AND MORTAR ESTABLISHMENT AND THE FOOD CART IS, GOES OUT FROM THEIR STORE.
I DON'T THINK THAT THEIRS WILL CHANGE.
IT SEEMS A HURDLE RIGHT NOW HAS TO DO WITH THAT ONE PROVISION THAT YOU, YOU PUT IN, UH, THAT EXCEPTION THAT YOU PUT IN AS IT RELATED TO SNOW CONES.
AND NOW WE ARE GETTING DOWN HERE TO A POINT WHERE WITH SNOW CONES, OF COURSE THEY HAVE TO PREPARE IT.
BUT NOW WE, THIS, THIS LAST PROVISION, IT KIND OF NEGATES THAT.
WELL, THIS IS A FOOD COURT THAT WAS ON THAT'S WITH THE ICE CREAM TRUCK.
THIS IS A FOOD CART, WHICH IS A PUSH CART.
IF IF WHAT YOU MEANT HERE, THE PREPACKAGED WORD APPLIES TO EACH OF THOSE PRE-PACKAGED ICE CREAM, PRE-PACKAGED ICE MILK, PRE-PACKAGED ICE FLAVORED WITH SYRUP, THEN THAT'S FINE.
AND THERE ARE ICE CREAM TRUCKS THAT HAVE THAT.
I MEAN, THEY'RE HARD AND NOBODY WANTS THEM, BUT THEY DO HAVE THAT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT, THAT'S NOT HOW THAT DRINK, THAT'S NOT WHAT KIND OF ICE IS.
THE PREPACKAGED DOES NOT MODIFY THE FROZEN DAIRY PRO DOES NOT MODIFY THE ICE FLAVORED WITH SYRUP IS WITH SYRUP.
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YES.PREPACKAGED ICE CREAM, ICE MILK AND FROZEN DAIRY PRODUCTS.
AND IT, AND THEN THERE'S AN ORE AND SO IT DOESN'T MODIFY THE ICE FLAVORED WITH SYRUP.
SO HANG PARTS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE PTAS AND, UH, CONES, YOU KNOW, PREPACKAGED THINGS.
WHAT WE DON'T WANT ARE, UH, A LITTLE HAMBURGER HOTDOG CART GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR SOMEONE SELLING EL LOTES OR, YOU KNOW RIGHT.
WHICH WE DO HAVE THOSE CARTS, THEY JUST ARE STATIONARY RIGHT NOW.
AND WE DO ALSO WANT THEM AT EVENTS.
WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO GO AROUND AND SELL STUFF IN PUBLIC.
SO AT EVENTS, ADDING, MAKING THE CARTS ONLY PRE-PACKAGED FOOD ITEMS OR NOT ALLOWING CARTS AT ALL IS WHAT I WOULD SAY WHERE WE'RE GOING IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
NO, THIS IS ALL, THIS IS NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL.
SO IF, IF WE SAY THAT FOOD CARTS OR ICE CREAM CARTS EVEN CAN ONLY SELL LIKE CATERING TRUCKS, PRE-PACKAGED THINGS, THEN THAT KNOCKS OUT ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
IF IT'S, IF IT'S ONLY IN RESIDENTIAL, I'M FINE WITH SAYING, I MEAN, I HAVE A GUY ON A BICYCLE WHO BICYCLES THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A CART ON THE FRONT, BUT IT'S ALL PRE-PACKAGED TOO.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD WOULD BE, AND IF WE SAY PRE-PACKAGED ICE CREAM ON CARTS LIKE THAT CAN GO IN NEIGHBORHOODS, I'M, I DON'T CARE.
BUT WHEN WE GET TO PUTTING A BLANKET PROHIBITION ON CARTS THAT ARE NOT PRE-PACKAGED, I I SCOOPING BUNS, JUST THEY'RE EVERYWHERE.
EXPLAIN, I DON'T KNOW, SCOOPING BONES.
IT'S AN ICE, IT'S AN ICE CREAM STORE AND THEY SELL ICE CREAM AND DONUTS AND THEY COMBINE THEM IN ALL KINDS OF CRAFTY WAYS.
BUT THEY HAVE A CART THAT GOES OUT FROM THEIR STORE AND THEY TAKE IT TO EVENTS AND THEY SIT, THEY HAVE, IT'S LIKE AN ICE CREAM STORE.
THEY HAVE CARTONS OF ICE CREAM AND THEN THEY HAVE CONES AND DIFFERENT THINGS AND THEY SCOOP IT, PUT IT IN THERE AND SELL IT TO YOU.
I'M NOT SURE IF THEIR CART IS EQUIPPED WITH OTHER THINGS.
LIKE THESE PUSH CARTS ARE STRICTLY LIKE A FREEZER ON WHEELS, NO HAND WASH OR ANYTHING MM-HMM.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF SCOOP AND BUNS HAS THEIR CART EQUIPPED WITH THOSE KINDS OF, I NEVER LOOK FOR THAT.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, THAT'S A GREAT POINT MANDY MA.
BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, THAT'S GOING TO, THE CARD'S GONNA BE UP TO THE COUNTY YES.
AND THE COUNTY MAY VERY WELL NOT PERMIT A, A CART THAT HAS OTHER THAN PREPACKAGED.
NOW THEY MAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COUNTY'S GOING TO DO, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY DON'T WANT TO REALLY COMMIT TOO MANY RESOURCES TO THIS.
BUT IT'S REALLY GONNA BE UP TO THE COUNTY ON WHAT THEY ALLOW WITH THE CARTS BASED ON ALL THE LAWS THAT I READ FROM DIFFERENT CITIES AND ALL, IT'S SEEMED THAT THE PREPACKAGED IS WHAT THEY WERE ALL CONDONING.
THEY WERE, IT WAS LIKE THEY WERE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM ANY PREPARATION WHATSOEVER.
CAN WE ONLY ALLOW PREPACKAGED CARTS IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND THEN JUST KIND OF GIVE THEM THE PUBLIC.
I THOUGHT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
I THINK JUST ADDING THAT MESSES IT UP.
ADDING WHAT? THE ICE FLAVORED WITH SYRUP THAT'S OPEN.
WELL THAT'S NOT, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CARDS.
THAT'S THOUGH, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CARDS.
THAT'S WHERE I WAS GETTING CONFUSED.
JUST NOT WELL FOR THE CARTS WE'LL JUST NEED TO DIFFERENTIATE.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I'M SORRY? OPEN FOOD VERSUS PREPACKAGED FOOD.
I I'M, I'M, I'M LEANING NOW TOWARD YES.
UH, PREPACKAGED AND THAT WOULD PUT RA SCOOP IN SCOOPING BONE IS THAT SCOOP.
WELL, AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA PUT THEM OUT OF BUSINESS WITH THEIR CART, WHICH IS VERY POPULAR.
UM, BY SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW THAT IN THE CITY OF GARLAND.
SO, SO WE'RE NOT TALKING WELL, THEY'RE ALREADY PERMITTED NEIGHBORHOOD ANYMORE.
THEY, THEY ALREADY, THEY CART GETS PERMITTED.
HOW HAVE WE BEEN PERMITTING? THERE, THERE ARE FOOD CARTS THAT WE HAVE PERMITTED.
BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE PERMITTING THEM GOING FORWARD.
BUT AS FAR AS OPERATIONAL, DO WE NEED TO ADDRESS, DO FOR THE SAKE OF NEIGHBORHOODS, ARE WE JUST SAYING THAT WE WANT, WE DO NOT WANT IN NEIGHBORHOODS THE PREPARATION PREP, THE FOOD CARTS THAT REQUIRE PREPARATION YES.
IT FOUND IN LIKE THAT'S ALL WE WANT TO DO.
THAT'S WHAT FOUND, THAT'S EASY NEIGHBORHOODS.
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A CITYWIDE, I DON'T WANT A CITYWIDE THING THAT KNOCKS OUT OUR OTHER, OUR OTHER ALREADY, UH, FUNCTIONAL FOOD CARTS.I WANNA BE ABLE TO GET A HOT DOG WITH SOME SAUERKRAUT ON IT AT OUTSIDE OF THE TAVERN ON THE SQUARE OR SOMETHING.
AND THEY HAVE TO PRESUMABLY ALREADY ARE LICENSED, BUT I'M NOT NECESSARILY WANTING TO SEE IT IN MY, MY EXACTLY.
SO IF YOU GO BACK TO PAGE TWO, YOU'LL SEE FOOD ITEMS UNDER SUBSECTION D TWO.
IT CURRENTLY SAYS THE CELL OF FOOD PREPARED AT THE FOOD CART IS PROHIBITED.
AND I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT IS PROHIBITED WITHIN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
WHERE ARE YOU? WHAT? WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
YEAH, CUZ WE, WE'VE BEEN REALLY TRYING TO FOCUS ON NEIGHBORHOOD USE OF, SINCE THAT'S WHAT THIS WAS ABOUT.
SO I THINK THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT.
AND WE CAN LEAVE THE REST OF THIS.
I THINK IT'S ALREADY COVERED BECAUSE IF YOU RECALL, FOOD CARTS ARE THROWN INTO THE, THE MOBILE FOOD UNIT AND MOBILE FOOD UNITS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN NEIGHBORHOODS CURRENTLY, WITH THE EXCEPTION WITH THIS OF ICE CREAM TRUCKS.
AND FOOD CARTS ARE NOT ICE CREAM TRUCKS.
SO I THINK IT'S ALREADY COVERED, BUT WE CAN PUT IT IN THERE LIKE THAT.
JUST FOR CLARITY OF, I THOUGHT LAST TIME WE TALKED THAT ICE CREAM CARTS WERE NOT NECESSARILY UNDER THAT UMBRELLA, BUT ARE THEY UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF, OF FOOD TRUCKS? NO, THEY'RE NOT MOBILE FOOD TRUCKS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE MOBILE FOOD UNITS.
THEY'RE MOBILE FOOD, BUT THEY'RE NOT, THERE'S CATERING AND THEN FOOD CARTS.
SO BACK TO, I'M SORRY TO KEEP BRINGING THIS BACK UP.
NOW THEY'RE GONNA BE PART OF AN ICE CREAM TRUCK BY DEFINITION.
AND HOW MUCH, WHY IS THAT? OKAY, I GUESS I'M, I'M HAVE THIS LOOK, WHY IS THIS, SHE HAS A MIGRAINE LOOK ABOUT IT HAS.
CAUSE IT JUST OPENS UP WHEN YOU HAVE AN OPEN FOOD, YOU HAVE A LOT MORE REQUIREMENTS.
LIKE THEY HAVE HIM ON THE KONA ICE TRUCKS, LIKE THE HAND WASH STATION AND OTHER THINGS BECAUSE THE RISK IS HIGHER.
ANYTHING THAT PERSON HAS COULD BE TRANSFERRED IN THE SNOW CONE.
RIGHT? WE COULD SIMPLIFY THIS BY JUST NOT HAVING OPEN FOOD JUST BUT NO SNOW CONES.
LIKE I SAID, I'M OKAY WITH SNOW CON.
I MEAN, AGAIN, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD I WOULD, AND WITH KONA ICE, WHO I TRUST AND DON'T MIND BUYING FROM, BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OPENING THE DOOR, THAT DOES OPEN THE DOOR TO OTHER, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT CHRISTINA TALKED ABOUT, WHICH IS ANOTHER TRUCK THAT WAS GOING AROUND USING RECYCLED, UM, HAND WASHED SOAP THINGS BUNGEE TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE TRUCK FOR THE SOAP DISPENSERS.
BUT, SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT WHEN YOU GO UP TO A KONA ICE TRUCK AT AN EVENT, YOU PUT YOUR OWN SYRUP IN THERE AND YOU PUSH THE THING YOURSELF BEHIND ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE PUSHED THE THING.
RIGHT? SO YOU'RE STILL TRANSFERRING BACTERIUM FROM OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE USED THE SAME SQUIRT SYRUP SQUIRTER THING.
UM, SO I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, THERE, THERE'S RISK.
EVERYTHING I'M, I AM OKAY WITH HAVING SNOW CONES AS PART OF THE MOBILE, THE ICE CREAM TRUCK.
AND I, AND AGAIN, IT'S GONNA BE UP TO THE COUNTY ON HOW, ON WHAT REGULATIONS THEY PASS WITH SNOW CONES VERSUS JUST ICE CREAM.
WELL THEN ULTIMATELY THEY'RE GONNA PASS THOSE, RIGHT.
SO REALLY IT'S, IT REALLY IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
IT COULD BE A MOOT POINT DEPENDING ON WHAT THE COUNTY DOES.
SO AGAIN, MY, MY QUESTION IS, WE ARE USING KONA ICE, WHO, WHICH IS RESPECTED AS WHAT IS IN OUR MINDS WHEN WE'RE THINKING THIS WOULD BE OKAY IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
BUT THIS OTHER ONE THAT WE SAW THIS, THIS OTHER ONE WOULD NOT BE OKAY.
AND THAT WOULD PUT, THAT WOULD JUST OPEN THE DOOR TO HAVE AD LIB.
OH, WE'RE SELLING SNOW CONES PEOPLE, BUT THOSE TRUCKS DON'T HAVE HAND WASHED STATIONS ON THEM.
THE VAN THAT THEY SENT US PICTURE OF WAS JUST A REGULAR PERSONAL VAN AND IT WOULD NOT HAVE A, A HAND WASH STATION IN IT.
SO HOW WOULD THEY OBTAIN A PERMIT FOR SELLING FOOD FROM THE COUNTY IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE PROPER EQUIPMENT? IT WOULD, SO THEN THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO OPERATE ANYWAYS IF THEY WERE CAUGHT.
WELL THE, IT WOULD, THE ISSUE WOULD BE IS THEY GET THE PERMIT BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE PROPER EQUIPMENT WHEN THEY GO AND GET THE PERMIT.
SO THEY PASS THAT INITIAL INSPECTION MM-HMM.
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COMPLAINT ABOUT A ICE CREAM TRUCK SLASH SNOW CONE TRUCK.AND THEY'VE, THAT EQUIPMENT'S NOT THERE.
THEY'RE NOT CARRYING IT WITH THEM.
THEY DON'T HAVE IT PROPERLY ATTACHED TO IT.
EVERYTHING'S DIRTY AND THEN SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANY RECOURSE AS FAR AS WHAT SHE CAN DO IS SITE FOR, I'M WRITING THEM A CITATION.
WELL, AREN'T THEY SUPPOSED TO MAINTAIN THE EQUIPMENT UNDER THE, BUT WHO IS THE COUNTY GONNA BE HERE IN GARLAND INSPECTING THEM? SO BASICALLY IT, IT JUST GOES OUT OF YOUR JURISDICTION AND YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
UM, I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT ALL OF THE OPERATIONAL THINK THEY'RE GONNA DO.
WHO, WHO'S GOING TO ENFORCE THAT POLICE? SOME, MOST OF IT I WOULD IMAGINE.
Y'ALL COULD, I MEAN, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE PROVISIONS IN THERE ABOUT, UH, DISPLAYING YOUR PERMIT IN A PROMINENT PLACE.
UM, IF Y'ALL WALK UP ON ONE THAT'S STOPPED SOMEWHERE AND Y'ALL DON'T SEE THE PERMIT, Y'ALL COULD ENFORCE THAT.
UM, ANYTHING, ANYTIME THEY'RE IN MOTION, IT'S THE POLICE.
ANYTIME THEY'RE PARKED OR STANDING, Y'ALL COULD ACTUALLY ENFORCE IT.
CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE SUMMARIZE WHAT WE'VE SAID NOW
AND THEN, SO THE NEXT QUESTION IS, AND WHAT I CAN DO IS I CAN GO BACK AND TWEAK THE ICE CREAM TRUCKS THAT ARE EQUIPPED WITH, OR THAT ARE DISPENSING ICE FLAVORED ICE FLAVORED WITH SYRUP.
I CAN ADD INTO SOME PROVISIONS, SOME FOOD HANDLING PROVISIONS THAT ARE THE SAME.
I'LL BASICALLY REFERENCE WHAT ARE REQUIRED IN, UH, MOBILE FOOD UNITS THAT I'LL LOOK AT THE FOOD HANDLING, UM, THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE AND SEE WHAT'S IN THE CURRENT PROVISIONS FOR THAT.
THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING CURRENTLY IN THERE.
I THINK IT REFERS TO, UH, DOCUMENT CALLED NSF 59 WHERE IT DIFFERENTIATES FOOD HANDLING AND NON-FOOD HANDLING.
I'LL LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF I CAN'T PUT THAT IN.
YEAH, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THE JUICE WORTH THE SQUEEZE TO, TO HAVE SNOW CONE MACHINE, UH, SNOW CONE TRUCKS, UM, TO GIVE THEM, TO CUT THEM LOOSE IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET PERMITTED THROUGH DALLAS COUNTY.
COULD YOU NOT JUST MAKE IT SO THE SNOW CON TRUCK CAN GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS A MOBILE FOOD? LIKE MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR SNOW CONES? I MEANT, SAY THAT AGAIN.
SO LEAVE CO NICE OR ANYBODY LIKE THEM AS A MOBILE FOOD TRUCK, BUT MAKE AN EXCEPTION THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO GO DOWN THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS, BUT LIKE TACO TRUCKS AND WHAT, OR NOT.
TELL ME THE, TELL ME YOUR CONCERN ABOUT HAVING THEM KONA ICE AND SNOW CONE TRUCKS RECLASSIFIED AS ICE CREAM TRUCKS.
WHAT DOES THAT CHANGE FROM YOUR UM, WELL, BECAUSE THERE, I MEAN, ICE CREAM TRUCK TO US IS PREPACKAGED ONLY.
I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT TAKING A MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION TRUCK AND HA AND SINGLING OUT ONE AND SAYING, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO GO IN NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT ALL THE REST OF YOU GUYS THAT ARE MOBILE FOOD PREPARATION TRUCKS, YOU'RE NOT.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA, UM, WE ARE LIKELY TO HEAR BACK FROM OTHERS TO SAY, SO WHY CAN THEY DO IT IF WE CAN'T? THEY'RE TOUCHING THE FOOD.
WE'RE TOUCHING THE FOOD, UH, THAT WE HAVE ANY, DO WE HAVE ANY CONTACTS? HAVE YOU TALKED TO YOUR COUNTERPART IN THE COUNTY ABOUT WHAT THEIR PLAN IS AS FAR AS PUTTING OUT RULES FOR? LAST I HEARD IS THEY WERE TALKING TO THEIR ATTORNEYS ON WHAT TO DO CUZ THEY ONLY HAVE FOUR PEOPLE.
HOW WOULD THEY EVER BE ABLE TO HANDLE ALL OF THE GOOD LUCK? AND I GUESS THAT'S A GLAD, THE STATE THAT'S A GOOD SEGUE INTO WHAT I HAD TALKED TO YOU BRIEFLY MENTIONED TO YOU.
AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID, QUITE FRANKLY, IS I SUSPECT THE COUNTY'S GONNA COME TO US AND SAY, HEY, WE WOULD LIKE TO ENTER INTO AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH Y'ALL TO WHERE WE GIVE Y'ALL THE AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE COUNTY REGULATIONS.
AND IN THAT WE CAN COLLECT FEES IF THEY WANT US TO DO THE INSPECTIONS AND ALL THAT.
I SUSPECT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED IN TALKING WITH, UM, STAFF.
UM, THEY PREFER US TO GET OUT OF THAT BUSINESS AND JUST LET IT, LET THE COUNTY HANDLE IT JUST BECAUSE IT IS TIME CONSUMING AND MM-HMM.
IF OTHER CITIES ARE GOING THROUGH THE SAME CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH, I'M BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS SUPER PREEMPTIVE
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LAW HAS COME INTO EFFECT.AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, AS I'M LISTENING TO US GRAPPLE WITH THE PROBLEM, I ALSO HEARD US SAY, WHEN WE STARTED THE CONVERSATION, WE REALLY DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE ENFORCEMENT POWERS.
WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANY PERMIT POWERS.
WE ALREADY KNOW IF WE DON'T HAVE THOSE.
AND HERE WE ARE SITTING TRYING TO ENACT SOME LAWS THAT QUITE FRANKLY IT SEEMS EFFORT AND FUTILITY, UNLESS WE JUST GO AHEAD WITH THINGS THAT WE KNOW THAT WE CAN LEGISLATE THINGS THAT WE KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, EACH ONE OF US HAS A PARTICULAR
I DON'T KNOW IF THE LAW IS GONNA BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH ALL OF IT.
AND SO THE SIMPLE THING IS PACKAGED PACKAGED ICE CREAM INSIDE OF THE COMMUNITIES.
AND LET'S STOP NOW THAT STILL GIVES YOU, YOU CAN GO DOWNTOWN AND STILL GET YOUR WHATEVER YOU WANT AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
BUT ANYTIME PEOPLE ARE HAVING TO DEAL WITH FOOD, THEY'RE OF A RISK OF CONTAMINATION.
AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE WAYS BY WHICH TO WASH THEIR HANDS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, THEN WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM.
AND IT CERTAINLY SHOULD NOT BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO I JUST THINK THAT, LET'S TRY TO SIMPLIFY THIS THING RATHER THAN TRYING EACH ONE OF US, LET ME MAKE SURE MY LITTLE PIECE IS IN THERE.
MY, LET'S SIMPLIFY THIS THING UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THE LAWS ARE GOING TO BE, WHAT DALLAS COUNTY IS REALLY GOING TO THROW AT US, AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO THE TABLE AND REDO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO MAYBE GIVE US THE LITTLE THINGS THAT WE WANT.
DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? THE SIMPLICITY IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
AND THE OTHER THING, IF I AGREE, YOU GIVE CORNER ICE CERTAIN PRIVILEGES.
IF I'M ANOTHER TRUCK THAT HAS SOME OF THE SAME THINGS THAT CORNER ICE HAS, I'M GONNA BE ASKING A QUESTION WHY THEY GET IT.
AND I DON'T, THAT'S GONNA CAUSE US PROBLEMS. WE'LL BE BACK AT THE TABLE TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
SO I I LOT FOR US TO JUST LOOK AT THIS SIMPLICITY, THE SIMPLE WAY TO GO ABOUT DOING THIS UNTIL DALLAS COUNTY REALLY GIVES US SOMETHING TO REALLY GO WITH.
SO NO SNOW CONES,
AND AND REALLY THE SIMPLICITY AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE, FROM, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, IF PEOPLE ARE TOUCHING FOOD, PREPARING FOOD, IT IS A RISK THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM PRE-PACKAGED.
I GET THAT AND I, I GET IN THIS TIME WHEN DALLAS COUNTY IS I SKATING INTO SOME NEW AREAS AND HAULING US WITH THEM, I DON'T THINK IT'S TIME FOR US TO START, UH, BREAKING NEW GROUND.
ALTHOUGH AGAIN, I, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE KONA ICE AT MY HOUSE, BUT I'LL JUST HAVE TO THROW A PARTY AND GET A SPECIAL EVENT OR SOMETHING.
UM, HAVEN'T COME TO THE DOG PARK MEET YOU THERE LIKE A DRUG DEALER.
UH, ALRIGHT, WELL, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT WE SHOULD STRIKE THE THING, UM, WHICH BREAKS MY HEART, BUT THERE IT IS.
AND SO WE CAN, UM, YEAH, A COUPLE COUPLE QUESTIONS.
YOU SAID THIS IS DALLAS COUNTY AND TAR TARRANT COUNTY IS THERE, WHY THESE TWO DO YOU KNOW? I THINK IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE HAVE TO DO WITH THE VENDOR THAT OPERATED BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTIES BACK AND FORTH, BUT THEY DIDN'T JUST DECIDE TO SPREAD IT OUT AND PUT A BUNCH OF OTHER COUNTIES.
IT'S JUST THESE TWO, IT'S A BRACKET LEGISLATION.
THEY DEFINE IT BY COUNTIES, BY AIRPORT.
IT'S COUNTIES OVER 2.1 MILLION POPULATION THAT HAVE HAVE THEIR OWN AIRPORT.
A CITY WITH A, THAT OWNS AN AIRPORT.
AND, AND SO HOUSTON DOESN'T FALL UNDER THAT.
I KNOW, THAT'S THE THING I WAS SAYING, THEY DON'T OWN AN AIRPORT.
OH, AUSTIN DOESN'T, HOBBY IS NOT IN HOUSTON HOBBY, BUT HOUSTON, THE CITY OF HOUSTON DOESN'T OWN IT.
YOU KNOW WHO INTRODUCED THIS BILL? I THOUGHT SOUTHWEST OWNED IT.
DO YOU KNOW WHO AUTHORED THE BILL AND INTRODUCED IT? UH, SAY ON THERE? IT DIDN'T SAY ON THERE.
AND IN TALKING ABOUT OPERATING IN MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS IN A SINGLE COUNTY AND HAVING TO GET PERMITS, I MEAN WE'RE, THE FOOD TRUCKS ARE ALREADY HAVING TO DO THAT NOW.
THEY HAVE TO GET A PERMIT HERE AND THEN IN PLANO AND IN RICHARDSON.
SO I MEAN IT IS MOVING BETWEEN DALLAS COUNTY AND TARRANT COUNTY AND THEY DO HAVE TO GET A PERMIT IN EACH CITY.
UM, AND FROM, IF I WERE A FOOD TRUCK OPERATOR, I WOULD SEE THAT AS PROBABLY A POSITIVE MOVE.
UM, AND RATHER THAN US GOING THROUGH THE DRAMA OF, OF PERMITS AND THE PAPERWORK, AGAIN, I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT UPSET IF DALLAS COUNTY WANTED
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TO DO IT, IF THEY WOULD DO IT, BUT IF THEY'VE GOT FOUR PEOPLE, THERE IS NO WAY UNDER THE SUN THEY'RE GONNA DO IT.AND IT DEPENDS IF DALLAS COUNTY, DALLAS COUNTY HAS A COUPLE OPTIONS, WHAT THEY CAN DO IS THEY CAN JUST SAY, HERE'S THE REGULATIONS TO GET AN INITIAL PERMIT AND THEN NOT PASS ANY REGULATIONS AS FAR AS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO RUN THE OPERATION.
AND THEY, THEY, THEY COULD SAY, DALLAS COUNTY CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S EVER THE, WHATEVER THE MUNICIPALITIES WANT TO DO ON THAT, WHICH IS WHY WE NEED TO DO IT.
WHICH IF DALLAS BUT DALLAS COUNTY MOST LIKELY WILL PASS SOME REGULATIONS, SOME HEALTH AND SAFETY REGULATIONS, THEY'LL PROBABLY JUST ADOPT THE STATE.
THEY'LL PROBABLY ADOPT THE STATE.
AND SO THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION FOR US IS WE COULD JUST HAVE A, WE COULD HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS FOLLOW THE DALLAS COUNTY RULES AND OBTAIN YOUR PERMIT AND FOLLOW DALLAS COUNTY RULES, WHICH IS THE STATE RULES IN RUNNING YOUR TRUCKS.
AND THAT MAKES EVERYTHING EASY FOR US.
CUZ THEN WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING STATE LAW OR THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING STATE LAW.
MANDY, HAVE YOU REVIEWED, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF THE STATE LAWS? UM, FOR MOBILE? SINCE WE HAVE OUR OWN, I'M, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING TOO CRAZY IN THERE WE WOULDN'T WANT TO ADOPT TO, BUT I MEAN THEY, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THINGS LIKE, UM, OUR OF OPERATION AND NO, WE COULD STILL DO THAT.
WE'RE TALKING JUST FROM THE HEALTH AND SAFETY.
I WOULDN'T BE A ADVERSE TO THAT.
JUST GOING WITH STATE HEALTH, HEALTH AND SAFETY.
THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE HEADED ANYWAY ON EVERYTHING.
MICROMANAGING THINGS THAT, UM, WE WILL ULTIMATELY END UP HAVING TAKEN OUT FROM UNDRESS OPERATIONAL THINGS THOUGH WE, WE NEED, AS LONG AS THEY ALLOW US TO, WE, WE NEED TO, TO MAKE THIS WHERE CITIZENS CAN LIVE WITH IT.
UM, SO BASICALLY WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS I WOULD DRAFT AN ORDINANCE THAT BASICALLY SAYS ICE CREAM TRUCKS, ICE CREAM FOOD CARTS, OR NOT THE ICE CREAM, JUST FOOD CARTS AREN'T ALLOWED IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE HAVE THESE OTHER HOURS, THESE OTHER RESTRICTIONS ON OPERATIONS, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE WE STRIP OUT OF OUR AMENDMENTS TO THE TEXAS FOOD ESTABLISHMENT RULES.
AND SINCE OURS ARE AMENDMENTS, IF WE STRIP 'EM OUT, IT AUTOMATICALLY DEFAULTS BACK TO THE STATE WITHOUT US EVER HAVE TO HAVING TO SAY SOMETHING.
NOW, ICE CREAM CARTS PREPACKAGED ARE ALLOWED IN NEIGHBORHOODS WE DECIDED.
THAT WASN'T WHAT I JUST, JUST HEARD.
COMMITTEE, DOES THIS SOUND REASONABLE TO YOU? ALL RIGHT.
UM, THIS WILL BE COUNCIL MEMBER LUX LAST, UH, TIME WITH US HERE ON COMMUNITY SERVICES BECAUSE SHE WILL BE, UH, CHAIRING THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION.
AND, UM, AND WE WILL HAVE OUR, UH, OUR NEWEST COUNCIL MEMBER KARISSA DO ONE OF OUR NEWEST COUNCIL MEMBERS, CARISSA DUTTON WILL BE TAKING COUNCIL MEMBER LUCK'S, UM, PLACE ON THE CSC.
SO WE'RE GONNA GET TO DO ALL OF THIS OVER AGAIN.
UM, NEXT MONTH WHEN WE COME BACK, GIVE A REVIEW OR I CAN ASK COUNCIL MEMBER LUCK TO, UH, SPEND SOME TIME
ANYWAY, UM, IF YOU WILL BRING BACK TO US, UH, A NEW DRAFT AND IF YOU CAN GET IT TO US BEFOREHAND SO WE CAN HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT IT, UH, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT MANDY, AGAIN, REALLY GOOD JOB SPOTTING THIS.
UM, YOU JUST SAVED US PROBABLY A LOT OF WASTED TIME AND DRAMA, SO I THINK THAT WORKS WELL.
SO WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA GO ON TO ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS DISCUSS FOOD, TRUCK EVENT AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS.
AND COMMITTEE, LET ME GIVE YOU THE PREFACE FOR THIS.
UM, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THIS BEING RESULTING IN ANY KIND OF AN ACTION ITEM.
UM, ON CINCO DE MAYO, A PRIVATE CITIZEN WHO OWNS A BUSINESS IN EAST GARLAND WAS HAVING AN EVENT THAT INVOLVED FOOD TRUCKS AND CALLED FRANTIC BECAUSE THEY HAD GOTTEN A SPECIAL EVENT, UM, PERMIT FROM US.
AND THEY HAD A FOOD TRUCK THERE THAT THERE WAS A A HUNDRED DOLLARS DIFFERENCE WITH SOME KIND OF A REGISTRATION FEE.
AND THE ORGANIZER WAS VERY UPSET BECAUSE IF IT HAD BEEN A CITY ORGANIZED EVENT THAT TREK APPARENTLY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO PAY ANOTHER A HUNDRED DOLLARS.
I TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER AND HE SAID, YES, THERE'S THIS A HUNDRED DOLLARS REGISTRATION FEE.
IT SOUNDED LIKE WE WERE NOT BEING EVEN HANDED BETWEEN EVENTS.
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WE SPONSORED AND HOSTED AND EVENTS CITIZENS SPONSORED AND HOSTED IN OUR TREATMENT OF THE PERMITS FOR FOOD TRUCKS.SO I SAID, OKAY, UM, I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE UNEVEN AND, AND I DON'T WANNA RAISE OUR FEES IF, IF IT CAME TO THAT TO MAKE THEM
I I DON'T WANNA INCREASE ANYBODY'S FEES IN ORDER TO DO THIS, BUT I WANT CITIZEN ORGANIZED EVENTS AND CITY ORGANIZED EVENTS TO, TO BE EQUITABLE, UM, FEE WISE.
SO THERE'S A LONG STORY WHICH MANDY'S GONNA TELL US, UM, ABOUT WHAT THAT INVOLVED.
AND IT TURNED OUT NOT TO BE, NOT TO BE WHAT I WAS, UM, HEARING ANYWAY.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
I THINK THIS IS LARGELY GONNA BE AN EDUCATIONAL SEGMENT.
SO, OKAY, THE ORGANIZER FOR A CITY SPONSORED EVENT, IT'S DANA'S GROUP, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND SO SINCE THEY'RE COORDINATING EVERYTHING, THEY DON'T PAY BUILDING INSPECTION A FEE.
WHEN YOU HAVE A THIRD PARTY ORGANIZER, THEY DO HAVE TO PAY THE BUILDING INSPECTION SPECIAL EVENT FEE.
UM, SO IF YOU JUST TAKE OUT THIS FOOD TRUCK WITH A**L PERMIT, SO BASICALLY IF THEY'RE HAVE ANNUAL PERMIT, THEY DON'T PAY ANYTHING TO US AT ALL.
SO THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THEY PAY CVB TO PARTICIPATE.
UM, WHEREAS IF IT'S A THIRD PARTY ORGANIZER INVITING THESE TRUCKS, THEY MAY CHARGE OR MIGHT, THEY MIGHT NOT CHARGE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY CHARGE.
SO THAT, THAT PART IS STILL THE SAME FOR ANY OTHER LIKE PER UH, BOOTH OR VENDOR OR ANY FOOD TRUCK THAT DOES NOT HAVE A ANNUAL PERMIT WITH US.
SO THEY PAY C V B A HUNDRED DOLLARS TO PARTICIPATE, UM, AND THEN NO FEE FOR THE PERMIT.
UM, BECAUSE WE'RE, WE DON'T WANNA DOUBLE CHARGE.
AND THEN IF THEY'RE A THIRD PARTY, AGAIN, THAT ORGANIZER MAY CHARGE THEM, BUT THEY MAY NOT.
UM, SO WE DO CHARGE THEM THE A HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR THE TEMPORARY PER FOOD PERMIT.
SO I WENT ONLINE JUST TO SEE LIKE WHERE, WHERE DOES IT SAY, AND I FOUND ONE SPOT WHERE IT SAID, UH, FREE PERMIT OR SOME WORDING.
I TOOK IT OUT SO IT'S NOT ON THE WEBSITE ANYMORE IF THAT WAS CAUSING A PROBLEM.
SO THIS IS PRETTY MUCH HOW WE DO IT NOW TO COMPLICATE THINGS,
OH, WELL THEY, IT DEPENDS, UM, IF IT'S A PRIVATE PARTY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, AND SO IF IT'S NOT A CITY SPONSORED EVENT, THEN WE CAN'T, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY CHARGING A FEE FOR A PERMIT.
AND SO IF IT'S NOT A SHOPPING CENTER PARKING LOT HELD BY A ONE OF THE STORES IN THE SHOPPING CENTER OR SOME EVENT AND THEY ASK A FOOD TRUCK TO COME IN, WE WOULD NOT, WE COULD NOT CHARGE A FEE.
HOWEVER, IF IT'S A CITY SPONSORED EVENT ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, WE COULD CHARGE A, IT WOULDN'T BE SO MUCH A PERMIT FEE, IT'D BE MORE OF A LICENSING FEE TO OCCUPY THAT SPACE.
SO KIND OF LIKE WHAT THEY DO NOW.
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO, THAT'S A, THAT'S A PUBLIC POLICY DECISION ON WHETHER TO CHARGE FEES FOR USING, FOR COMING AS A, FOR A FOOD TRUCK AT A CITY SPONSORED EVENT.
THAT'S, THAT'S A PUBLIC POLICY.
IT'S, IT'S, YOU CAN DECIDE TO DO IT OR NOT.
IT'S UP TO WHOMEVER MAKES THOSE DECISIONS.
WELL, JUST EVERY SIX WEEKS OR EIGHT WEEKS, WE HAVE TO REMIND HIM OF THAT.
UM, WELL, MANDY, DO YOU HAVE AN INSIGHT ON THIS? I DISLIKE THE IDEA OF US CHARGING ADDITIONAL FEES FOR EVENTS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE, WHETHER IT'S UM, FOR FOOD TRUCKS, WHETHER THEY'RE COMING TO A CITY EVENT WHERE WE'VE IN, I GUESS INVITED THEM.
DO WE INVITE SPECIFIC TRUCKS OR DO THEY APPLY? I'M NOT SURE WHAT DANA'S GROUP DOES.
I THINK WE INVITE SOME OF THEM BACK WHEN IT WAS A LIKE STAR SPANGLED FOURTH, THEY HAD PEOPLE APPLY.
THEY WOULD GO THROUGH THEM SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TOO MUCH OF THE SAME FOOD AND WHATNOT.
BUT YEAH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT RECENT EVENTS.
YEAH, SO I MEAN, AND WE'RE TALKING A HUNDRED DOLLARS, THAT'S WHAT THEY CHARGE.
BUT TEMP EVENT PERMITS ARE A HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR, YOU KNOW, THE
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TYPICAL BOOTH TO COME SET UP.AND WHY, I GUESS OTHER THAN JUST GENERALLY, UH, INCREASING REVENUE WHERE WE CAN, IS THERE A PRACTICAL APPLICABLE REASON WHY ARE WE DOING SPECIFIC WORK FOR YES.
OKAY, THEN THAT'S WHAT I NEED YOU TO TALK ABOUT.
THEY'RE, UM, SO WHEN WE GET AN APPLICATION, OUR INSPECTORS CALL THEM, UM, GO OVER EVERYTHING THEY MIGHT NEED JUST SO THAT THE DAY OF IT'S SMOOTH AND THERE'S NO SURPRISES.
IT REALLY DOES, ESPECIALLY FOR NEW PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE A CLUE.
UM, AND THEN THE DAY OF, THEY'LL GO OUT THERE AND DO THE INSPECTION THAT THEY PRE, UM, YOU KNOW, EDUCATED THEM ON.
UM, A LOT OF TIMES, AT LEAST BACK WHEN I WAS INSPECTOR, YOU COULD BE SITTING OUT THERE WAITING ON THEM.
NOBODY'S, MANY PEOPLE ARE NOT READY
SO YOU'RE SPENDING SEVERAL HOURS OF YOUR SATURDAY WAITING FOR THEM TO GET THERE, AND THEN YOU DO THE INSPECTION.
SOMETIMES THEY DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING YOU CAN LET THEM RUN TO THE STORE AND GET A HAND WASH STATION OR SOAP OR WHATEVER IT IS.
I THINK THAT, UH, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS AS IT RELATES TO WHERE WE ARE IN THE WEB REVENUE AND THIS BUILT OUT SITUATION.
AND THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, WELL, WHERE ARE WE GONNA GET OUR FUNDS FROM? I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT HAD TO DO WITH, UM, DESTINATION LOCATIONS.
UH, ANOTHER ONE HAD TO, TO DO WITH, UH, FEES.
UH, THERE ARE EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS FOOD TRUCK SITUATION, JUST AS MANDY HAS JUST TALKED ABOUT THERE, THERE ARE EXPENSES THERE.
AND NOW, DON'T GET ME WRONG, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW DALLAS IS GOING.
THAT'S WHY I SAY SOME OF THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT DALLAS DOES, BUT UNTIL DALLAS TELLS US OTHERWISE, A HUNDRED DOLLARS IS NOT ASKING VERY MUCH, UH, FOR THE EXPENSE OF ADMINISTRATION, IF NOTHING ELSE FOR A FOOD TRUCK TO COME HERE.
AND WE WILL NEED, WE'RE GONNA NEED THOSE REVENUES, WE'RE GONNA NEED THOSE FEES.
SO, UH, I I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE TALKING ABOUT, UH, NOT HAVING THEM.
NOW, DON'T GET ME WRONG, I, YOU KNOW, CATERING AND FOOD SERVICE, THAT'S MY THING.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA CHARGE ME, HEY GREAT.
BUT, UH, FOR THE PURPOSE OF, UH, THE CITY, UH, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S A WISE DECISION TO CONSIDER TAKING AWAY THE A HUNDRED DOLLARS.
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SO, BUT IT'S NOT THE FOOD PERMIT.
BUT WE HAVE BEEN CHARGING ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, I MEAN, ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SEE, SO THAT'S FOR PARTICIPATION THOUGH.
SO THAT'S ALREADY GOING TO CHANGE CERTAINLY BECAUSE WE WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO CHARGE PERMITS FOR EVENTS HAPPENING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AS WE HAVE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG.
SO NOW WE CAN STILL CHARGE FOR, DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE EVENT, WE CAN STILL CHARGE IF WE REQUIRE A SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT FOR THE WHOLE THING MM-HMM.
JUST WE CAN'T CHARGE AN EXTRA PERMIT FOR THE IT'S PERMIT.
AND, AND THAT BEING THE CASE COMMITTEE, IF, IF WE CAN'T, IF WE HAVE TO STOP DOING WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, WHICH IS CHARGING THESE EXTRA FEES TO FOOD TRUCKS WHEN THEY'RE PARTICIPATING IN A PRIVATE EVENT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, I PERSONALLY DON'T WANNA BE IN THE POSITION WHERE IF THEY COME TO A CITY EVENT, THEY GET CHARGED A FEE, THEY DON'T GET CHARGED AT A PRIVATE EVENT? I AM NOT.
CAN I, CAN I SPEAK TO A REASON WHY WE MIGHT WANT TO.
AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S LIABILITY IN THE SENSE LEGAL LIABILITY OR ANY KIND OF FINANCIAL LIABILITY FOR THE CITY.
AND THAT BEING, IF WE INVITE A FOOD TRUCK TO PARTICIPATE IN A CITY EVENT AND THEY DON'T GO OUT AND DO AN INSPECTION AND, AND THERE IS SOME TYPE OF FOODBORNE ILLNESS THAT BREAKS OUT BECAUSE OF UNSANITARY CONDITIONS, QUESTIONS ARE GONNA BE ASKED, WELL THIS WAS A CITY EVENT.
DID Y'ALL NOT EVEN INSPECT TO SEE THAT THESE ARE SAN SANITARY FOOD TRUCKS? AND SO THERE IS A REASON YOU MIGHT CONSIDER IT.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S ENOUGH REASON, BUT THERE IS A REASON YOU MIGHT, AND WE WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED TO DO THE INSPECTIONS SURE.
BUT WE COULDN'T, LIKE AT THE CINCO DE MAYO EVENT, WE COULDN'T GO
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OUT THERE AND INSPECT THOSE TRUCKS.WE COULD ALWAYS INSPECT THEM, BUT WE JUST CAN'T CHARGE A FEE.
BECAUSE THE, THE, THE END OF THE STORY, WHAT STARTED THIS, THAT EVENT, THE TRUCK THAT, UM, WAS UPSET BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT PERMIT THAT THEY NEEDED AND IT WAS GONNA BE A HUNDRED BUCKS.
MANDY, WERE YOU THE ONE WHO WENT OUT OR WAS ONE THE INSPECTOR THAT WENT OUT FOUND A, THEY HAD NO SOAP, THEY HAD NOTHING TO CLEAN THEIR HANDS WITH.
THEY HAD A BUNCH OF THINGS WRONG, A BUNCH OF THINGS WRONG, WHICH I IMMEDIATELY MARKED.
IT'S PROBABLY CUZ THEY NEVER GOT VETTED WITH THE WHOLE PHONE CONVERSATION OR TELLING YOU WHAT YOU NEED.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING MOVING.
THE THING IS, WHEN IF WE GO TO THESE EVENTS AND WE SEE, OH, THEY HAVE A DALLAS COUNTY PERMIT, WE JUST KEEP WALKING BY.
I MEAN IF Y'ALL SEE A VIOLATION, A HEALTH AND SAFETY VIOLATION, STATE LAW OR COUNTY, WHICHEVER ONE IS APPLICABLE, THEN YOU CERTAINLY CAN TAKE ENFORCEMENT ACTION.
BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO PROACTIVELY GO INTO EACH TRUCK.
YOU CAN, YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT TO DO, DO WE HAVE, SINCE WE'RE NO LONGER CHARGING A FEE, WE'RE NOT GETTING PAID FOR IT.
WE'RE NOT GETTING PAID FOR IT AND WE'RE LOSING MONEY AT THAT POINT.
AND SO, AND QUITE FRANKLY, THE CITY, THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T HAVE MUCH AT STAKE THERE.
THAT'S MORE OF A PRIVATE EVENT WITH PRIVATE PEOPLE AND THEY'RE, THEY KNOW THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A PERMIT.
THEY'VE BEEN EDUCATED ON WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AS FAR AS SANITATION.
IF THEY DON'T, IF WE GET A COMPLAINT, SURE.
WE GO OUT AND WE WRITE 'EM CITATIONS, WE DO AN INSPECTION.
BUT IF WE DON'T GET A COMPLAINT, THEN WE'RE JUST GONNA TRUST THAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE LAW AND IT'S NOT OUR NAME BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT.
AND YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN THAT IF IT IS A CITY EVENT, UM, AND REALLY WHAT THE, THE FOOD TRUCKS THAT WOULD PARTICIPATE IN A CITY EVENT, THEY GET A LOT OF VALUE.
UM, AS FAR AS EXPOSURE AND EVERYTHING ELSE AT BEING A PARTICIPANT IN A CITY EVENT, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A LOT MORE VALUE THAN A HUNDRED BUCKS.
UM, SO I WILL, I WILL RETRACT MY BASIC OBJECTION TO THAT.
AND FROM A LIABILITY AND PR POINT OF VIEW, UM, THEY'RE PROBABLY GETTING WAY MORE THAN THEY'RE PAYING FOR WITH, WITH PAYING THE FEE FOR PARTICIPATING IN OUR EVENTS.
UH, THE THIRD PARTY ORGANIZER COLUMN, DOES THAT, UH, PERTAIN TO PUBLIC OWNED PROPERTY AND PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY? BOTH.
SO LIKE SOMEONE WANTS TO DO AN EVENT AT THE SKATE PARK, THE THIRD, A THIRD PARTY ORGANIZER, WHICH COLUMN APPLIES TO THEM? GOOD POINT.
I I DO KNOW THEY STILL WOULD HAVE TO GET A PERMIT IN ORDER TO DO IT AT OUR PARK.
BUT WHICH COLUMN APPLIES TO THEM AS FAR AS, WAIT, CITY, CITY OWNED LAND OR PRIVATELY OWNED LAND? IT'S JUST WHOEVER THE ORGANIZER IS.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID IF IT WAS ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.
WELL, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A CITY EVENT ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, THEN I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND US CHARGING SOME TYPE OF FEE.
IT'S MORE OF A LICENSING FEE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT A SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT WOULD DO WITHIN ONE OF OUR PARK.
IT'S REALLY A SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT IN OUR PARK IS REALLY A LICENSING FEE, IS WHAT THAT IS FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE.
AND SO YES, YOU SHOULD CONTINUE TO CHARGE FOR THE SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT IF THEY'RE OPERATING IN OUR CAR, IN OUR PARK.
BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SELL ANY MERCHANDISE ON OUR PART WITHOUT OUR PERMISSION.
WITHOUT THAT SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT.
BUT IT WOULDN'T BE THE, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO CHARGE CHARGE THEM THE LICENSING FEE.
YEAH, WE WOULD BECAUSE IT'S OKAY, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, IF IT'S ON, IF IT'S ON, WELL THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WOULDN'T DO, IT'D BE WHOEVER DOES THE SPECIAL EVENTS.
SO IT WOULD BE THE CVB, RIGHT? SURE.
WHICH WE DON'T CHARGE RIGHT NOW ANYWAY.
IT'S JUST WE DO THE INSPECTIONS.
I GUESS IT WOULD LOOK LIKE THIS, IN MY MIND IS THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ONLY GOES OUT AND DOES MANDATORY INSPECTIONS.
IF IT'S A CITY EVENT, IF IT'S A PRIVATE EVENT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, IT'S COMPLAINT BASED.
IF IT'S A PRIVATE EVENT ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, IT'S A, IT'S COMPLAINT BASED.
ALSO BECAUSE IT'S NOT A CITY SPONSORED EVENT.
JUST CUZ THEY'VE LEASED, THEY'VE, THEY'VE GOT A LICENSE TO USE OUR, OUR A CORNER OF OUR PARK DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
CITIZENS OFTEN, AND I GET YOUR POINT, CITIZENS OFTEN CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE IF IT IS ON, IN ONE OF OUR PARKS OR ON OUR PROPERTY.
THEY, THEY KIND OF SEE THAT AS BEING OUR THING, BUT EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT, SO WHAT IS, WHAT'S YOUR FEELING ABOUT THAT? UM, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK MAYBE YOU SHOULD DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE, THE LAND USE, LIKE WHO OWNS IT AND THEN THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.
YOU CAN DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING THIS WAY.
PUBLIC PROPERTY, YOU COULD MAKE THE POLICY THAT IF IT'S AN EVENT ON PUBLIC
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PROPERTY, WHETHER IT'S CITY OR PRIVATE, UM, THEN WE'RE GONNA COME OUT AND DO A PROACTIVE INSPECTION OF THE I LIKE THAT.YOU CAN DO THAT AND WE CAN CHARGE FOR THAT.
UH, CERTAINLY CUZ IT'D BE, IT'D BE PUBLIC PROPERTY, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, EITHER, EITHER REAL OR IMPLIED.
AND HOW YOU WOULD DO THAT, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE ON PAPER IS THAT YOU HAVE A SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT WITHOUT A MOBILE FOOD UNIT.
BUT IF YOU HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT WITH A MOBILE FOOD UNIT AND IT'S A $225 SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT, WE WOULDN'T BREAK IT OUT AS AN INSPECTION FEE.
WE WOULD JUST PUT IT, IT'S AN, IT'S AN EXTRA CHARGE FOR THAT INSPECTION THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE PERMIT ITSELF.
SO HOW DO WE I BUDGET, BUDGET WISE.
YOU, YOU'D HAVE TO SOMEHOW BREAK.
DO WE GET THE OTHER HUNDRED? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF I THINK IT GOES TO, IT ALL GOES TO GENERAL FUND.
IT ALL GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND.
I'M PRETTY SURE RITA HAS, RITA HAS HAS WISDOM HERE SINCE WE ISSUE THESE THINGS.
I MEAN WE CERTAINLY COULD CHANGE THE FEE STRUCTURE FOR SPECIAL EVENTS AND ADD FEES FOR, YOU KNOW, BIG EVENTS.
GET, HAVE MORE FEES BECAUSE THERE'S MORE, IT'S ACTUALLY PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE ENORMOUS PRIVATE EVENTS WITH SECURITY AND LOTS OF REVIEWS AND LOTS OF PEOPLE SITTING IN A LOT OF ROOMS REVIEWING THINGS OVER AND OVER.
SO IT MIGHT BE WORTH, AND THIS IS PROBABLY NOT A, YOU KNOW, NEXT WEEK KIND OF THING, BUT IN THE FUTURE, ONCE WE GET A, A GOOD SYSTEM IN PLACE AND HAVE SOME TECHNOLOGY TO HELP US, THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING WHERE PEOPLE GET TO CHECK OFF ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE HAVING PRIVATE PUBLIC, CERTAINLY FOR PUBLIC, WE DON'T WANNA BE CHARGING FEES TO OURSELVES.
YOU KNOW, SO THAT MAKES SENSE TO WAIVE FEES FOR THINGS THAT ARE OUR EVENTS.
UM, BUT YEAH, WE CERTAINLY COULD DO THAT.
AND I KNOW THAT IF YOU HAVE AN EVENT WITH 10 TRUCKS, IT'S GONNA TAKE YOU MORE TIME AND BE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN ONE.
AND SO MAYBE THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, ONE TO ONE TO THREE TRUCKS, FOUR TO SIX TRUCKS KIND OF THING.
BUT CERTAINLY I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE WAY TO DO IT.
AND THEN YOU COULD JUST, THE FUNDS COULD GO TO WHEREVER THEY NEED TO GO.
THE ACCOUNT NUMBERS WOULD BE BUILT IN AND JUST SEND MONEY TO THE RIGHT ACCOUNTS SO YOU CAN GET YOUR MONEY.
WE COULD DO THAT FOR PUBLIC PROPERTY.
BUT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, PRIVATELY ORGANIZED, THAT'S THEIR THING.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET AROUND THE COUNTY BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR PERMITTING THOSE AND THEN THAT'S COMING REQUIRE A PERMIT ON TOP OF THAT.
THE ONLY REASON WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO IT ON OUR PROPERTY, CUZ IT'S REALLY A LICENSE IS WHAT IT IS.
BUT TO, TO BE ABLE TO, TO GO OUT AND CHECK THE DALLAS COUNTY PERMITS ARE DISPLAYED TO IF WE WANNA DO THAT, IF WE WANNA DO THAT.
AND IF WE DON'T, WE JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHY YEAH.
THAT THEY'RE BUSY AND SO I DON'T RIGHT.
IT'S SOMETHING I THINK IT'S LIKE THEY CURRENTLY DO.
I THINK IT'S ON COMPLAINT BASIS.
AND THAT, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
THE THE LARGER EVENTS THAT ARE MORE TIME INTENSIVE.
UM, SHOULD HA SHOULD PAY HIGHER FEES BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING A BIGGER CROWD.
THEY'RE PRESUMABLY MAKING MORE MONEY, HOPEFULLY PROFIT AND IT, IT'S A LOT OF RESOURCES FROM THE CITY TO SUPPORT PRIVATE EVENTS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO CAN CAN, CAN WE CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THIS UNDER THIS AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS KIND OF FOOD TRUCK EVENT AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS.
DOES THIS, DOES THIS STILL FIT NEATLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS? OKAY.
UM, I MEAN I'M GONNA GO OUT AND HAVE AN EVENT IF IT'S ONLY A HUNDRED BUCKS, THAT'S $25 PROCESSING.
THE OTHER THING IS, ALL RIGHT, SO IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, RIGHT.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT UH, THAT FIGHT BREAKS OUT? GUESS WHO'S GOTTA GO? OUR POLICE, OUR FIRE, OUR E E EMS, WE STILL HAVE TO GO THERE AND TAKE CARE OF WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I'M SAYING, YOU KNOW, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO EVER TALK ABOUT NO FEES FOR ANY OF IT.
UH, BUT UH, THERE IS, THERE ARE SOME THINGS TO BE CONSIDERED HERE.
I AGREE THAT UH, WE MAY NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE LAND USAGE AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
BUT, UH, I'M FEELING PRETTY COMFORTABLE RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PIECE OF V.
WE HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION, WE HAVE ALL THE RESPONSIBILITY.
NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET THAT ONE GO.
PRIVATE EVENTS WE CAN'T CHARGE BECAUSE PROBABLY THE COUNTY'S ALREADY TAKEN THE FEE ASPECT OF IT.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LICENSE PIECE OF IT? I DON'T KNOW.
SO I DON'T, I'M NOT REALLY CERTAIN ABOUT THAT PIECE JUST YET.
SO I DO THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO OKAY.
UM, HAVE YOU HEARD ENOUGH WHERE YOU THINK YOU COULD PUT TOGETHER ON THIS ISSUE? NO.
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I MEAN SURE.BUT THIS IST REALLY SOMETHING THAT, CUZ THIS IS ALL DONE BASED ON THE FEE SCHEDULE.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING SO YOU WON'T DO.
SO, AND BEGINNING SOUND, I KNOW YOU'RE JUST DUCKING OUT OF THIS.
I SEE IT BEGINNING IT SOUND LIKE TOO.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAYBE CHANGE SOME WORDING OF SOME THINGS HERE IN THE WAY OF THESE DIFFERENT, UH, FINANCIAL PIECES, LICENSES VERSUS FEES AND, AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
WELL, PERMITS I HATE TO DO THAT.
THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS AND THE REASON WE'RE ABLE TO DO IT AND A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT ON CITY PROPERTY IS REALLY JUST A LICENSE.
IT'S SAYING YOU CAN HAVE THIS EVENT ON CITY PROPERTY, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF PROPERTY RIGHT TO IT.
IF WE ASK YOU TO LEAVE, YOU HAVE TO LEAVE.
AND SO A LICENSE IS REALLY MORE OF A LEGAL TERM THAT, UM, GENERAL PUBLIC PROBABLY IS MORE COMFORTABLE HEARING PERMITS OR PERMIT VERSUS LICENSE.
BRIA, HOW WOULD YOU SEE THIS, UH, TAKING, TAKING SHAPE FOR A REWRITTEN POLICY SO THAT WE CAN START EDGING IT DOWN THE ROAD? I, I THINK THAT MAKES AN ENTIRE SENSE.
UM, SINCE THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS HAS, UH, DECKING AND RUN, I'LL BE HAPPY TO WRITE DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES.
ALL
WELL, I MEAN WE HAVE, WE HAVE A LOT OF PIECES AND PARTS WITH SPECIAL EVENTS.
WE HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, OUR THE CITY SPECIAL EVENT COORDINATOR GROUP AND THERE'S A LOT OF CROSSOVER AND THEN THERE'S THE PRI I THINK WE NEED TO GET TOGETHER AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S, UM, WE JUST NEED TO HAVE A, A BETTER FLOW.
AND QUITE QUITE FRANKLY, I, I'M HOPING WE HAVE SORT OF THESE DUELING PROCESSES THAT RELATE TO SPECIAL EVENTS.
AND I'D LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO, FOR US AS A CITY TO PUT THEM TOGETHER SO THERE'S PATHS, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S PRIVATE AND, AND KEEP IN MIND IF IT'S PRIVATE AND LESS THAN A HUNDRED, IT'S NOTHING.
SOMEBODY'S HAVING A PARTY AT THEIR HOUSE AND THEY CAN GO FOR IT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THESE THRESHOLDS AND JUST FIGURE OUT THE RIGHT PATHS.
I, I JUST, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT FULLY IN MY HEAD YET, BUT I THINK IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT TO DO.
AND WE JUST, AND WE ALSO NEED SOME INPUT FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS ABOUT RESOURCES.
CAUSE I THINK THEY, EVENTS ARE SO VARIED.
SO SOME OF THEM ARE QUICK CHECK OF A COUPLE THINGS AND GO, GO DO YOUR THING.
AND THEN SOME OF THEM ARE FOUR OR FIVE MEETINGS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, A DAY OR TWO'S WORTH OF ACTUAL ON THE GROUND SUPPORT FROM STAFF.
SO THOSE ARE VERY, VERY DIFFERENT.
WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE GONNA RESOURCE THEM OR WHEN WE RESOURCE THEM, HOW, HOW DO WE WANNA COLLECT FEES IN RELATION TO THAT AND WHAT'S THE THRESHOLD? BUT I THINK JUST WE NEED SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT HONESTLY.
SO I'M, I'M DO YOU THINK IN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS? OH YEAH.
THIS IS SOMETHING, I MEAN WE COULD DO YOU THINK IN THE NEXT ONE MONTH.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE WHERE THE, WHERE THE SWEET SPOT IS WITHOUT RUSHING YOU.
UM, THIS, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ALL THIS MESH TOGETHER AND WORK TOGETHER NEATLY INSTEAD OF IT BEING DISJOINTED.
THERE ARE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT GET PAID FOR THINGS TOO, LIKE BARRICADES AND OFF DUTIES AND ALL THAT.
I MEAN, I THINK THERE ARE, I JUST DON'T KNOW.
AND TWO MONTHS IS A GOOD TWO MONTHS IF IT WORKS FOR YOU IS ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD BECAUSE THAT'S ABOUT THE TIME THAT YOU'LL BE GETTING OUR FEE SCHEDULE AMENDMENT FOR THE FEES NEXT YEAR AROUND THE BUDGET.
SO IF IT CAN BE DONE IN TWO MONTHS, I'M NOT SAYING IT CAN, BUT THE PART OF IT, I'M KIND OF THE, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS AMEND THE FEE SCHEDULE.
AND SO IF IT TAKES THREE MONTHS SMALL PLAYER IN THIS WHOLE THING, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE BIG PLAYERS, WE KIND OF JUST ISSUE THEY, HERE YOU GO, YOU'VE GOTTEN ALL YOUR APPROVALS, BUT THERE'S A BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE A LOT MORE ACTUAL HANDS ON.
ARE YOU TIME, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE TAKING THIS ON AS A, UM, ACTION ITEM? YEAH, SURE.
I, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE NEAR ENOUGH TO DO
I MEAN I ALWAYS KEEP HEARING, YOU KNOW, BRITA SITS AROUND AND SAYS, GEE, I WISH I HAD SOMETHING TO DO, ORDINANCES TO WORK ON.
UM, YEAH, NO, I I THINK WE CAN DO IT.
I, UM, WE JUST, THERE WAS ACTUALLY A SPECIAL EVENT GROUP MEETING TODAY, SO THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM IS WE JUST MISSED THE, THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY HAVE A CONVERSATION.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHY IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN TWO, JUST OKAY.
TIMING WISE, WE JUST MISSED IT.
WELL, I, I'D LIKE TWO MONTHS IF YOU CAN DO THAT AND UM, YOU KNOW, AND LET ME KNOW IN THE MEANTIME IF THINGS ARE, ARE GOING CRAZY AND THAT WON'T WORK.
BUT THAT, THAT, IF YOU CAN GET THAT AND BRING BACK TO US, UM, IDEAS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT WAYS THAT WE CAN, UH, TWEAK THIS AND MAKE IT WORK BETTER FOR YOU AND EVERYBODY ELSE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
AND WE ALSO HAVE THAT NEW SYSTEM THAT'S GONNA BE STARTING TO GET IMPLEMENTED TOO, WHICH IS PART OF THE, THAT'S PART OF THIS, IT'S WE NEED TO HAVE, FIND A SOLUTION WHERE WE HAVE TECHNOLOGY TO HELP US DO THIS.
UM, AND ALSO MAYBE IT'D BE HELPFUL TO HAVE SOME FEEDBACK.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE OBVIOUSLY TODAY, BUT ON LIKE HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT FEES AND WHERE YOU WANNA BE AND DO WE WANNA START RECOUPING COSTS? I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE RECOUP AT THIS POINT, BUT, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT
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PDS TIME TO BE COMPLETELY PAID FOR BY ABSOLUTELY.PRIVATE COMPANIES AND BARRICADES AND PARKS AND ALL THESE THINGS.
SO IF WE KNOW THAT, THEN THAT HELPS US SORT OF CRAFT IT AND COME BACK TO YOU WITH A BETTER PROPOSAL.
SO THAT'S, WE WOULD LIKE TO AIM AT, AT, AT SOME SORT OF COST RETURN, HAVING A LOT LESS CONSTANT BLEEDING.
UM, COMMITTEE, WE'RE GONNA, UH, CALL THIS ONE DONE TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN IN TWO MONTHS AND, UH, AGAIN, YOU ARE WELCOME TO COME BACK AND THANK YOU.
UM, AND SO WITH THAT, WE ARE AT ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS, WELL I'LL, I'LL JUST SAY MR. ENGLAND'S GONNA BE BRINGING BACK TO US A, A DRAFT ON ITEM THREE A TO THE MOTION AND UM, WE ARE AT NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS AT 5:16 PM WE ARE ADJOURNED.