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HELLO AND WELCOME TO THE AUGUST 14TH, 2023[Development Services Committee on August 14, 2023.]
MEETING OF THE GARLAND CITY COUNCIL'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICE COMMITTEE.MYSELF, I'M DYLAN HEDRICK, THE CHAIRMAN WITH ME, I HAVE MAYOR PRO TIM JEFF BASS AND COUNCILWOMAN DEBORAH MORRIS.
UH, FIRST ITEM WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA IS, UH, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE JULY 17TH, 2023 MEETING.
MR. CHAIR, I MOVED TO APPROVE.
MOTION TO APPROVE IN A SECOND.
MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING ARE APPROVED.
NEXT ITEM, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I DON'T SEE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE, BUT WE HAVE QUITE A FEW STAFF MEMBERS ANXIOUS TO GET, UH, TO THEIR ITEM NEXT.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON THEN TO, A FIRST ITEM FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION IS DISCUSSING A POLICY, DISCUSSING POLICY OPTIONS FOR THE REUSE OF VACANT COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
OH, YOU'RE STANDING RIGHT? YOU'RE SITTING RIGHT THERE.
I WAS THINKING YOU WERE SITTING OVER THERE.
HE'S SITTING RIGHT THERE FOR LEGAL ATTORNEY.
AND I DIDN'T SEE YOU THERE 'CAUSE I'M APPARENTLY AN IDIOT.
UM, SO WE DID, WE WERE LEFT LAST TIME AT OUR LAST MEETING WITH A GENERAL, WE'RE IN FAVOR OF ADDITIONAL SAFETY IF THAT IT PROVIDES ADDITIONAL SAFETY.
THERE WERE SOME LEGAL ISSUES WITH THE STATE LAW, RIGHT? AND, UM, WE'VE HAD SOME INTERNAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE MASTER PLAN THAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO AS PART OF CODE COMPLIANCE, AND THAT GOES BEYOND CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUT, AND THEN ALSO WORKING ON A STRATEGIC BASED ON THE OUTCOME OF THAT, WORKING ON MAYBE REFOCUSING STRATEGIC RESOURCES STRATEGICALLY TO THE AREAS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE MORE IMPACT AS FAR AS MAYBE COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, CODE COMPLIANCE TYPE FOCUS.
SO WE REALLY KIND OF LEFT IT WHERE THERE'S A, A LOT OF PIECES UP IN THE AIR AND THE, WE LOOKED INTO, UM, THE CONCEPT OF HOW TO REGISTER.
AND OF COURSE WE NEED A SYSTEM FOR THAT.
OF COURSE, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON JUST STARTING THE IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS OR THE, THE, THE PLANNING PROCESS TO GET OUR NEW SYSTEM IN PLACE, WHICH COULD THEORETICALLY, UM, TRACK THESE THINGS FOR US.
I THINK THE QUESTION THAT WE HAVE FROM THE STAFF LEVEL IS TO ADD VALUE AND SAFETY IS REGISTERING THE ANSWER, I GUESS IS THE KIND OF OUR, UH, AT LEAST IT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IN MY MIND.
THE, THE, THE ACT OF SEARCHING OUT VACANT PROPERTIES IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, AND THEN PUTTING 'EM IN A REGISTRY AND THAT ACT OF TRACKING THEM.
DOES THAT, IS THAT WHERE WE ADD THE VALUE OR DO WE DO IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY USING STRATEGIC CODE OF ENFORCEMENT AND OR OTHER MECHANISMS? UM, AND I, I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'M JUST NOT QUITE SURE WHERE WE'RE, WHICH DIRECTION YOU GUYS WANT US TO GO IN AND WHAT THE REAL, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE, I GUESS.
AND I THINK, THINK WE CAN FIND A WAY TO SOLVE IT IF WE JUST CAN FOCUS IN A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE SPECIFIC, LIKE, WHAT IS OUR GOAL? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I JUST AM BEING HONEST WITH YOU.
I ANSWER THAT I BELIEVE COUNSEL AND LUCK WAS THE ONE WHO SUBMITTED THIS ITEM, AND I BELIEVE INTENT, I DON'T WANNA NECESSARILY SPEAK FOR HER, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW BUILDINGS THAT ARE VACANT THAT ARE, COULD BE REDEVELOPED AND ALMOST TRYING TO PUSH THOSE TOWARDS BEING REDEVELOPED SOONER.
AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT NECESSARILY, JUST BECAUSE I'LL LET THE MARKET HANDLE WHATEVER.
IF THEY WANNA SIT THERE ON A PROPERTY, THEY CAN, THEY CAN DO THAT.
IF THEY DETERMINE IF THAT'S THE OWNER'S BEST USE OF THE PROPERTY, THEY BELIEVE AT THAT TIME.
UH, AS FAR AS WHAT VALUE I'M ALL FOR ENFORCING OUR CODES, IF THERE'S A A DANGEROUS SITUATION, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE CARE OF THAT.
AND IT'S NOT A PROBLEM TO, EVEN IF IT'S A NEIGHBORING BUILDING OR THEY'RE ATTACHED OR SEPARATE OR WHATEVER.
BUT, UM, I MEAN, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCIL, MAYOR PROTO? YEP.
UM, SO, AND AS IS THIS ONE, WHERE ARE YOU DISCUSSION YEAH.
DO YOU HAVE TO PUNCH IT? THERE WE GO.
UM, WELL, AND THE TIMING OF THIS WAS PERFECT.
I HAVE A, UM, AN INTEREST IN THIS FROM MY DISTRICT AS WELL.
AND MY ANGLE ON THIS IS, IS DIFFERENT THAN COUNCIL MEMBER LUXE, THOUGH.
MINE IS COMING FROM A, UH, SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVE.
I HAD, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, WE, I HAD CALLS BECAUSE THERE WAS VAGRANCY AND, UM, HOMELESS PEOPLE AND CRIMINAL ACTIVITY TAKING PLACE IN A VACANT BUILDING IN MY DISTRICT.
SO IF WE HAVE A REGISTER OF VACANT BUILDINGS AND WE COULD THEN, UM, POSSIBLY HAVE CODE BE PROACTIVE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE EVEN THE NPOS COULD HAVE A LIST OF VACANT BUILDINGS IN THERE IN THEIR AREAS SO THAT IT JUST CREATES THAT EXTRA
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LEVEL OF, OF PROACTIVITY, UM, TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE NOT ONLY BLIGHTS, BUT THESE ARE AREAS WHERE, YOU KNOW, UM, CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IS MORE LIKELY TO OCCUR BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE CAUGHT.SO MY ANGLE OF A REGISTER ALLOWS US TO, YOU KNOW, TRACK THOSE AND, AND KEEP AN EYE ON 'EM, WHETHER IT BE FROM CODE, WHETHER IT BE FROM POLICE.
UM, I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS.
I THINK WE, WE LAST DISCUSSED IT AND JUST KIND OF CHEWING AROUND THE EDGES OF OH, IF YOU PUNCH I YOU HAVE TO HOW ABOUT NOW? OKAY.
UM, AND JUST THINKING ABOUT THE COMPLEXITIES, UH, HOW WOULD WE IMPLEMENT THIS FOR ONE AND HOW WOULD WE KEEP IT CURRENT WITHOUT BURNING HUGE NUMBERS OF STAFF HOURS? MM-HMM.
I MEAN, WE HAVE CONSTANT CALLS FOR CODE.
WE WANT THEM OUT THERE DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING, TRYING TO IDENTIFY WHICH BUILDINGS ARE VACANT IN AN EVER FLUCTUATING, UH, MARKET.
AND HOW DO YOU, YOU KNOW, DEFINING VACANT, AS I FOUND OUT TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION FOR DOWNTOWN VACANT IS, UH, LEGALLY NOT, NOT DEFINED AS SIMPLY AS ANY OF US MIGHT THINK.
UM, SO BY A LOT OF THE, UH, DIFFERENT ORDINANCES AROUND IT, THAT MEANS THERE'S, THERE'S NO UTILITIES THAT IT'S BEEN EMPTY X NUMBER OF MONTHS, BUT TRACKING THAT JUST CONCERNS ME THAT WE'RE GOING TO, UM, BURN UP OUR WORKFORCE CHASING THINGS THAT A LOT OF THEM MAY BE PRETTY BENIGN AND THEY'RE NOT GETTING COMPLAINTS ONCE THEY GET COMPLAINTS.
LIKE, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHICH PLACE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT, UM, ONCE WE HAVE A BUILDING THAT DRAWS COMPLAINTS ABOUT VAGRANCY OR DRUG USE OR WHATEVER, THEN THAT PUTS IT WHERE THE N P O, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CODE CAN RIDE HERD ON THAT MUCH MORE RIGOROUSLY.
BUT JUST SPENDING OUR TIME REGISTERING AND CHASING DOWN BUILDINGS JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE VACANT, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT CAUSING US TROUBLE, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
AND I WONDERED, SINCE WE'RE COMING UP ON A CODE MASTER PLAN, I KINDA WONDERED IF THIS QUESTION MIGHT MAKE ITS WAY INTO THAT CONVERSATION TO SEE IF WE MIGHT HAVE A BETTER WAY.
UM, I HAD BEEN, I HAD BEEN BASICALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA OF REGISTRATION, CONCERNED ABOUT HOW DO YOU TRACK DOWN THE ONES THAT DON'T LIKE OUR RENTAL REGISTRATION FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? HOW ARE YOU GONNA TRACK DOWN ALL THE ONES THAT DON'T JUST VOLUNTEER AND SAY, OH, MY BUILDING IS VACANT.
UM, I JUST DON'T WANNA WASTE OUR TIME.
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EMPLOYEES TO WASTE THEM CHASING GHOSTS.
SO, UM, ALL THAT IS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY DO ANNUAL, I BELIEVE INSPECTIONS BRIA JUST ROUTINELY OF A COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, FROM A, FROM A CODE COMPLIANCE YES.
I THINK IT IS ACTUALLY MORE THAN THAT.
ISN'T IT MORE THAN THAT, RICK? IS HE HIDING BACK HERE? YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT YOUR ANNUAL INSPECTION, YOUR INSPECTION FOLKS HERE.
WE CAN PULL MORE SEATS UP IF YOU WANT TO JOIN 'EM TOO.
YOU KNOW,
UH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE FOUR COMMERCIAL INSPECTORS ON THE BOOKS, BUT ONE OF THEM IS A HUNDRED PERCENT DEDICATED TO OUR HOMELESS TASK FORCE.
SO PROACTIVE, OUR PROACTIVE PROGRAM, WE, WE DO, UM, REVIEW PROPERTIES ON A PROACTIVE BASIS AND WE'RE PRIMARILY LOOKING FOR THE, FOR THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ISSUES.
NOW, IF WE GET A, IF WE GET A COMPLAINT ABOUT A, A PROPERTY BEING VACANT, UM, IT COULD BE UNSECURED, YOU KNOW, WE'LL LOOK AT IT FROM THAT ANGLE AND SEE IF IT'S, UH, DOES HAVE VACANCY, UM, AND TAKE WHAT ACTION WE NEED.
SO PROACTIVELY WE ARE SEARCHING AND LOOKING FOR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ISSUES, BUT, UM, JUST 'CAUSE OF A PROPERTY IS VACANT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT'S A CODE VIOLATION AS YOU KNOW.
SO, BUT YOU CANVAS THE AREA HOW MANY TIMES A YEAR? EACH AREA? IT'S AT LEAST ONCE, RIGHT? OH, YES.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'RE LOOKING AT PROPERTIES THREE OR FOUR TIMES A YEAR EASILY.
BUT YOU'RE NOT DOING IN INSIDE INSPECTION? NO, NO.
WE'RE, WE'RE, THE ONLY REASON WE WOULD DO AN INTERNAL INSPECTION IS WE'RE DOING A, A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY OR A ZONING TYPE SITUATION, UH, OF A, OF AN
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OCCUPIED PROPERTY.BUT TO WE, WE DO NOT GO INTO VACANT BUILDINGS AT ALL.
EVEN IF IT'S, EVEN IF WE KNOW IT'S VACANT AND IT'S UNSECURED, WE DO NOT GO IN THERE.
WELL, COMMITTEE, MY MY CONCERNS ARE THAT WE, IF WE SET A STANDARD IN SAYING WE NEED TO START A REGISTRATION PROGRAM AND A ROUTINE INSPECTION PROGRAM, WE DON'T HAVE THE BODIES TO DO THAT AS OPPOSED TO A, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DO MOSTLY WITH PARKING, WHICH IS COMPLAINT DRIVEN.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WERE MISSING THAT, THAT NOBODY'S COMPLAINING ABOUT.
PEOPLE ARE PRETTY QUICK CO TO COMPLAIN IN MY DISTRICT IF THEY SEE ANYTHING.
SO, O ONE THING I I'M, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
ONE THING I'D LIKE TO ADD IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, LIKE A, A VACANT UNIT OR A SUITE OF A COMPLEX, UM, IS REALLY NOT, I MEAN, WE, WE RUN ACROSS THOSE FROM TIME TO TIME THAT ARE, A SUITE MAY BE VACANT, BUT IT'S OWNED BY ONE PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, THOSE ARE, ARE PRETTY MUCH EASIER TO DEAL WITH.
UM, IF WE RUN ACROSS A BUILDING LIKE A, A, A PRIMARY STRUCTURE, UM, THAT IS THERE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE BUILDING, IT'S ONE LAND USE, THERE'S ONE TENANT.
UH, THOSE ARE, WE, WE DEAL WITH THOSE MORE FREQUENTLY THAN WE DO, JUST LIKE A SUITE, UH, BECAUSE, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL GET A COMPLAINT FROM A, MAYBE A NEIGHBORING SUITE, UH, THAT THERE'S A, A VACANCY OR, OR VANDALISM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, BUT AGAIN, THOSE, THOSE ARE PRETTY F FEW AND FAR BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE, JUST THE PRIMARY STRUCTURES.
I KNOW COUNCILMAN BASS HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROPERTY IN HIS AREA.
UM, I THINK, I THINK AGAIN, UM, I THINK WE, ALONG WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.
AND, UH, WE WORK VERY, UM, HAND IN HAND WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UH, IF WE RUN ACROSS A PROPERTY THAT IS VACANT AND WE KNOW IT'S CAUSING SOME PROBLEMS AND WE'RE HAVING SOME ISSUES, WE'RE GETTING A NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS.
UH, NOT ONLY DO WE REACH OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER TO GET IT UP TO CODE AS MUCH AS WE CAN AS A VACANT BUILDING, BUT WE WILL ALSO REFER THIS PROPERTY TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SAY, HEY, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE PLAN HERE? HAVE YOU GOTTEN ANY INQUIRIES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WANTING TO COME IN? OR HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE PROPERTY OWNER TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO TO GET, GET A, UH, A VIABLE OCCUPANT IN THERE? SO, UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE, HOW WE HANDLE IT RIGHT NOW.
AND DO YOU SEE THE, THE MASTER PLAN WE'RE DISCUSSING FOR CODE, DO YOU SEE THAT, THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD POSSIBLY TOUCH ON THIS ISSUE OR? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS THE STRATEGIC PLAN, THE STRATEGIC INITIATIVE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT A LOT OF THINGS, UM, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, UM, MULTIFAMILY.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERY ASPECT THAT WE, THAT WE ENCOUNTER.
SO YES, I CAN SEE THAT FOR SURE.
UM, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, I I, I REACHED OUT TO CUSTOMER SERVICE, UM, TO TALK ABOUT SOME TYPE OF DATABASE INQUIRY, UH, QUERIES, UH, THAT WE CAN USE TO MAYBE SUPPORT SOME TYPE OF, UM, UH, JUST A TRIGGER BASICALLY, IF YOU WANNA CALL IT THAT, JUST TO GIVE US AN IDEA OF HOW MANY, UH, INACTIVE UTILITY ACCOUNTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY.
UM, THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, AN IT ENDEAVOR.
UM, WE HAVE CURRENT DATA POINTS THAT WE CAN OBTAIN, UH, BUT SOMEONE'S GONNA HAVE TO TAKE THAT LIST AND MODIFY IT, UH, AND THEN TRY TO INCORPORATE A VETTING PROCESS TO SEE EXACTLY HOW ACCURATE THAT IS.
JUST 'CAUSE SOMEONE HAS A, AN ACTIVE UTILITY ACCOUNT, UM, DOESN'T MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW LONG IT'S BEEN BEEN INACTIVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAUSED THE, THE, THE, THE, THE REQUEST FOR THE UTILITIES TO BE SHUT OFF.
UH, SO THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF FACTORS THAT COME INTO PLAY, BUT WE, WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO CUSTOMER SERVICE.
A LOT MORE DISCUSSION WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM THAT.
WELL, MR. CHAIR, AT, AT THE POINT THAT IT APPEARS THAT THIS MAY BE PART OF THE BIGGER STRATEGIC PLAN, I WOULD, MY, MY VOTE WOULD BE JUST TO LET THIS GO, LET THIS BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THAT AND, AND LOOK AT THIS WHEN THAT COMES OUT.
I I ALSO WOULD AGREE, I THINK WE COULD REPORT TO COUNSEL THAT WE CAN WAIT UNTIL THIS MASTER PLAN COMES AND THEN TAKE IT UP AGAIN FROM THERE.
SO I THINK, UH, DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT? YES.
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WE'LL, UH, PRESENT TO COUNCIL WITH, UH, WITH THAT AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE MASTER PLAN WHEN IT COMES THEN.ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE B, AUTO AUTOMOTIVE AUTO REPAIR USES IN COMMUNITY RETAIL ZONING.
JUST IN CASE I STAY, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED ME.
I DON'T HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION ON THIS, BUT JUST AS A, UM, REMINDER OF COURSE, IN THE LAST, UH, LAST MONTH'S MEETING, THE, UH, ITEM DESCRIPTION HAD TO DO WITH, UM, CAR WASHES CONVERTING TO AUTO REPAIR.
AND IN THAT CONVERSATION, OF COURSE, WHAT WE FOUND IS A FEW EXAMPLES THAT WE FOUND, NOT ALL OF 'EM, BUT A FEW EXAMPLES WERE IN COMMUNITY RETAIL ZONING.
AND IT SEEMED THAT THAT WAS KIND OF THE, THE, UM, CORE OF THE ISSUE AUTO, JUST THE GENERAL ALLOWANCE OF, UH, MINOR AUTO REPAIR AND COMMUNITY RETAIL.
SO, JUST AS A REMINDER, AND I'VE GOT, WHAT I DO HAVE AVAILABLE IS A CITYWIDE ZONING MAP.
AND IN CASE I NEED TO PULL UP KIND OF SHOWING WHERE ALL THE COMMUNITY RETAIL IS IN, IN GARLAND, IT'S A VERY COMMON AND PREVALENT, UM, ZONING DISTRICT IN GARLAND.
IT, OF COURSE, IT'S THE RED, THE RED COLORS, UH, ZONING WIDE OR, OR CITYWIDE.
UM, THEN I'VE GOT THE LAND USE MAP, UH, HANDY AS WELL, OR LATE, EXCUSE ME, LAND USE MATRIX AND THE G D C.
UM, SO IF YOU SEE HERE, AUTOMOBILE REPAIR MINOR HAS A P UNDER CR ZONING.
UM, SO THAT DOES MEAN PERMITTED BY RIGHT? UH, WHERE IT HAS AN SS MEANS IT REQUIRES AN S U P THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
AND WHERE IT'S BLANK MEANS IT IS NOT ALLOWED USE AT ALL.
UM, SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT, IT, IT IS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT IN COMMUNITY RETAIL CURRENTLY.
UM, MINOR AUTO PEER AUTOMOBILE REPAIRS.
A REMINDER IS, UM, YOUR, UH, UH, TUNEUPS OIL CHANGES, UH, BRAKE ALIGNMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, IT, IT'S OFTENTIMES MOM AND POPS, BUT IT'S ALSO YOUR CHAIN.
UM, UH, PLACES LIKE CHRISTIAN BROTHERS, JIFFY LUBE, UM, THOSE PLACES.
UM, WHAT'S AUTO, WHAT'S MAJOR AUTO REPAIR IS, UH, COLLISION REPAIR, UH, PAINTING BODY WORK, UM, UH, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
BUT MINOR REPAIR AGAIN IS KIND OF, UM, WHAT YOU'D FIND AT LIKE A JIFFY LUBE AND IN SOME CASES KINDA MOM AND POPS.
SO, UM, REALLY WITH THAT, I'LL REALLY HAND IT OVER BACK TO THE COMMITTEE AND SEE WHERE YOU GUYS WANT TO, UH, TAKE THIS.
COMMITTEE, I KNOW LAST TIME WE TALKED, UH, TALKED POSSIBLY ABOUT REMOVING THAT USE FROM COMMUNITY RETAIL ZONING.
ARE WE STILL LOOKING AT DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT OR MAKE IT AT A S U P USE? OR WHAT ARE THE COMMUNITY THOUGHTS? I'D, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT, UH, FOR COMMUNITY RETAILS AND SS U P AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU SAID YOU HAVE A MAP? YES, MA'AM.
SO, UM, THIS IS CITYWIDE AND GARLAND'S QUITE BIG, BUT I'LL JUST KIND OF GO FROM MAYBE NORTH TO SOUTH.
THIS WILL CLEAR UP A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SO WE SEE CR, THE RED, UM, IN SOME CASES YOU SEE KIND OF DIAGONAL HASH MARKS.
THOSE ARE PDS, BUT THEY HAVE A BASE ZONING OF COMMUNITY RETAIL.
SO UNLESS THE PD SPECIFIES OTHERWISE, UM, THOSE MAY ACTUALLY ALLOW COMMUNITY RETAIL, OR EXCUSE ME, AUTO REPAIR MINOR, UM, BY RIGHT ALREADY JUST BY THE BASE ZONING.
BUT YES, JUST WHEREVER YOU SEE THAT RED AND UM, AND THE RED HASH MARKS FOR COMMUNITY REAL RETAIL PDS ALLOW IT BY RIGHT.
UNLESS THE PD SPECIFIES OTHERWISE.
UM, SO YOU SEE IT ALONG A LOT OF THE MAIN CORRIDORS.
SO THIS OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, IS BROADWAY.
UM, YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT ALONG I 30, I'LL KIND OF JUMP BACK UP.
BROADWAY, CENTERVILLE, THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNITY RETAIL THERE.
THAT'S THE BROADWAY, CENTERVILLE SHOPPING CENTER, UH, 6 35 OF CENTERVILLE AREA.
UM, LET'S SEE, THIS IS, UM, GARLAND, SOUTH GARLAND AVENUE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S MILLER ROAD.
UM, A LITTLE BIT IN EAST GARLAND.
UM, JUST KIND OF LOOKING OVER WEST.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, ALONG, I BELIEVE THAT'S FOREST LANE.
UM, SO QUITE A LOT AT, AT YOUR TYPICAL INTERSECTIONS.
COMMUNITY RETAIL IS USUALLY WHERE YOU'RE GONNA FIND SHOPPING CENTERS.
IN OTHER WORDS, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE USUALLY CLOSE TO OR ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING OF NOTE.
UM, I THINK WHAT WE'VE FOUND, I MEAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IN YOUR OBSERVATION, BRITA, BUT OFTENTIMES THE KINDA THE MOM AND POP MINOR AUTO REPAIR MAY KIND OF TEND TO STAY MORE IN THE HEAVIER COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, BUT IT DOES SEEM THAT THE CHANGE, LIKE THE CHRISTIAN BROTHERS AND JIFFY LUBES DO KIND OF LIKE THOSE SHOPPING CENTER AREAS.
UH, SUN AUTO, I BELIEVE IS ANOTHER CHAIN THAT'S, UM, UH, BUILDING, UH, NEAR BUSH, NEAR THAT LOWE'S I BELIEVE.
UM, SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT, UH, MORE ALONG GEORGE BUSH OF COURSE UP HERE.
UH, STRAIGHT ZONE COMMUNITY RETAIL NEAR NORTH CARLAND AVENUE.
UM, SO AGAIN, YEAH, THAT'S TYPICALLY YOUR AREAS OF, UM,
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UH, PRETTY STANDARD COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL SHOPPING CENTERS, UM, MAJOR INTERSECTIONS WHERE YOU FIND THOSE SHOPPING CENTERS AND RESTAURANTS DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS AND OTHER TYPES OF RETAIL.UM, MR. CHAIR, I, I HAVE NOT NOTICED THAT WE ARE GREATLY LACKING IN, UM, MINOR AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR.
SO I WOULD SUPPORT THE IDEA OF IT BECOMING AN S U P.
I WOULD AS WELL MAKE IT THREE.
'CAUSE THAT'S, I MEAN, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY AND I'M STILL IN FAVOR SO MM-HMM.
UM, AND DO WE HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM OR ARE WE ALL ALRIGHT, WE'LL THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE THE CLEAR DIRECTION.
NEXT ITEM WE HAVE FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, IT'S REVIEWING THE CURRENT I 30 CORRIDOR ZONING FOR DISTRICT THREE.
I'LL JUST LEAVE THE ZONING MAP UP FOR THIS, UH, ITEM.
I'LL SCROLL DOWN HERE TO THE SOUTH.
UM, SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE COUNCILMAN MOORE IS HERE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS GONNA TRY TO MAKE IT OR NOT.
I DID SPEAK WITH HIM REAL BRIEFLY LAST WEEK JUST TO KIND OF GET A FEEL FOR WHAT HE WAS LOOKING FOR.
SO AT THE RISK OF TRYING TO SPEAK FOR HIM, I'LL ALWAYS CONVEY MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE ITEM.
UM, HE OF COURSE JUST KIND OF WANTS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE, THE ZONING ALONG THIS AREA.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN RELATION TO I 30 CATALYST AREA PLAN AND JUST SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE ALONG THE CORRIDOR, UM, HE DID MENTION KIND OF SOME USUAL SUSPECTS AS, UH, USE WISE.
SO THIS, THIS, THE LAST ITEM WE JUST DISCUSSED MAY ACTUALLY TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THAT.
'CAUSE YOU DO SEE SOME, UH, COMMUNITY RETAIL ZONING IN THIS I 30 CORRIDOR, UM, INCLUDING ACTUALLY IN THE PENINSULA THERE OF THE HARBOR POINT AREA.
SO THAT, THAT WILL TO SOME DEGREE TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THIS.
UH, HE MENTIONED, UM, SELF-STORAGE AS A CONCERN.
THERE'S SEVERAL EXISTING STORAGE FACILITIES.
I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE THAT, UH, ABOUT THAT SHORTLY.
UM, UH, BELIEVE HE MENTIONED AN EXAMPLE OF A DOLLAR GENERAL OPENING RECENTLY.
UM, AND OF COURSE HE SAID IT, IT, THE SITE LOOKED NICE AND, AND HE'S GLAD THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, OPEN AND THEY'RE DOING BUSINESS.
UM, THAT ONE IS A LITTLE TRICKY.
I, I BELIEVE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, DOLLAR GENERAL IS CLASSIFIED AS GENERAL RETAIL, SO UM, IT'S NOT REALLY BROKEN OUT AS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF TYPE OF RETAIL.
SO THAT ONE, UM, WOULD BE ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR COMMUNITY RETAIL AND LIKE COMMERCIAL AREAS.
UM, BUT THOSE ARE SOME EXAMPLES HE GAVE.
UM, DIDN'T GET TOO MUCH MORE SPECIFIC THAN THAT.
BUT WHAT I DO WANNA MENTION AS FAR AS SELF-STORAGE, UM, WE ACTUALLY DID MAKE A CHANGE TO THE G D C A FEW YEARS AGO.
IT WAS COUNCIL INITIATED MORE IMMEDIATELY INITIATED BY FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER STEVEN STANLEY.
UM, AND 'CAUSE THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT SELF-STORAGE ALLOWANCE, UM, ESPECIALLY IN THE I 30 AREA AT THE TIME.
AND IF I CAN FIND SELF-STORAGE, I BELIEVE WHAT THE ISSUE WAS, AND AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS AROUND 2016, I WAS HERE AT THAT TIME WHEN THE G D C WAS INITIALLY ADOPTED.
HERE YOU CAN SEE SELF STORAGE FACILITY, MINI WAREHOUSE AND THE ALLOWANCES, UM, OVER HERE.
UM, IT'S CURRENTLY ALLOWED BY SS U P AND COMMUNITY RETAIL AND S U P AND LIGHT COMMERCIAL AND THEN BY RIGHT AND HEAVY COMMERCIAL AND BY WRIGHT AND INDUSTRIAL.
UM, WHEN THE G D C WAS INITIALLY ADOPTED, UH, THIS WAS A P RIGHT HERE, IT WAS ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN LIGHT COMMERCIAL.
AND IF I CAN JUMP BACK TO THE ZONING MAP, LIGHT COMMERCIAL IS THAT LIGHT BLUE COLOR.
AND SO THERE ACTUALLY WAS ONE FACILITY SELF STORAGE FACILITY THAT WAS, THAT WAS UM, PERMITTED BY WRIGHT AROUND 20 15 20 16 BECAUSE IT WAS ALLOWED BY WRIGHT.
AND UM, UH, SO COUNCIL WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AT THE TIME.
SO WE DID ACTUALLY MAKE THAT G D C CHANGE, UH, TO ONLY ALLOW, UM, SELF STORAGE FACILITIES BY S U P IN LIGHT COMMERCIAL.
SO JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THAT.
UM, SO IT'S NOT CURRENTLY, UM, ALLOWED IN COMMUNITY RETAIL OR LIGHT COMMERCIAL, WHICH YOU CAN SEE PRETTY PREVALENTLY PREVALENTLY ALONG THIS AREA.
OF COURSE, IT'S NOT ALLOWED IN YOUR MULTIFAMILY OR CO THAT'S COMMUNITY OFFICE SELF STORAGE WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED IN THERE.
SO THAT TO SOME DEGREE WAS, WAS UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS RESTRICTED, UM, BACK A FEW YEARS AGO.
SO JUST WANNA MENTION THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.
UM, AGAIN, WE TOUCHED ON AUTO USES.
UM, AUTO REPAIR OF COURSE AS THE COMMITTEE DIRECTED WILL BRING FORWARD TO ALLOW MINOR AUTO PEER AUTOMOBILE REPAIR BY MINOR OR BY S U P ONLY.
UM, CAR WASHES, JUST TO KIND OF TOUCH ON ANOTHER SOMEWHAT COMMON, UM, AUTO USE THAT'S ALLOWED ONLY BY S U P AND COMMUNITY RETAIL AS WELL.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S NOT ALLOWED BY WRIGHT.
UM, ACTUALLY LET ME JUST DOUBLE CHECK ON LIGHT COMMERCIAL.
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OKAY.THEY ACTUALLY WOULD BE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT.
UM, THAT WOULD BE THEIR AUTOMATED ROLLOVER IN FULL SERVICE DETAIL.
UM, AND THEN BY S U P SELF-SERVICE WAND.
AND THEN, UM, AUTOMOBILE MINOR, WHILE WE TALKED ABOUT COMMUNITY RETAIL, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT AND LIGHT COMMERCIALS.
SO THERE IS OF COURSE SOME LIGHT COMMERCIAL IN THE I 30 CORRIDOR AREA.
UM, AND THESE ARE CITYWIDE ZONING DISTRICTS.
OF COURSE THERE'S LIGHT COMMERCIAL AND COMMUNITY RETAIL AND OTHER DISTRICTS IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY AS WELL.
UM, THERE'S NOT A OVERLAY UH, THAT'S SPECIFIC TO I 30.
UM, BUT UM, REALLY WITH THAT, THAT'S JUST KIND OF WANTED TO REPORT THOSE FINDINGS COMMITTEE AND UM, THAT, THAT WAS KINDA MY UNDERSTANDING OF A LITTLE BIT OF THE BACKGROUND TO THIS AREA.
AS FAR AS THE I 30 PLAN, OH, SORRY, I'LL JUST JUMP BACK TO THAT REAL QUICK.
UM, THE I 30 CATALYST AREA PLAN, IT DIDN'T GET REAL PRESCRIPTIVE ON SPECIFIC LAND USES.
IT KIND OF BROKE DOWN, UM, UH, THREE MAIN NODES.
THAT'S THE HARBOR POINT AREA, THE I 30 ROSE HILL AREA AND THE I 30 BROADWAY AREA AND HAD SOME PARTICULAR, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THOSE AREAS AS FAR AS REDEVELOPMENT, REINVESTMENT, UM, THE I 30 PLAN DEFINITELY ENCOURAGED MORE ROOFTOPS, UM, SAID MORE, MORE MARKET RATE, NEW HOUSING WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO THE CORRIDOR AND, AND THE GENERAL AREA.
WE'VE DEFINITELY SEEN A LOT OF, A LOT OF THAT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS IN THAT AREA.
UM, IT HAD SOME OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS AS FAR AS SHOPPING CENTER IMPROVEMENTS AND FACADE IMPROVEMENTS AND SOME PARTICULAR CONCEPTUAL PLANS.
UM, ESPECIALLY IN THE ROSE HILL AREA, WHICH WE'VE MOVED FORWARD, UH, WITH A LOT OF THAT.
UM, BUT DIDN'T REALLY, UM, SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, AUTO REPAIR AND STORAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THERE'S NOT MUCH REALLY SPECIFIC GUIDANCE TO KIND OF LEAN ON THERE.
UM, BUT YEAH, WITH THAT, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL JUST KIND OF HAND IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE AND SEE WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
ALRIGHT, COUNSEL, UM, LET YOU GUYS, ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS? I HAVE FEW THOUGHTS I'LL GET TO AFTER, WELL, I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT.
WHERE ARE SOME OTHER AREAS? AREAS THAT ARE LIGHT COMMERCIAL? SURE, YES.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS YOUR, THAT KIND OF LIGHT BLUE BABY BLUE AREA.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE'VE TALKED, WE'VE LOOKED AT KIND OF WHERE IT IS ON THE LITTLE BIT OF IT.
THERE IS ALSO SOME ALONG CENTERVILLE, LET'S SEE WHAT THIS AREA IS.
UM, CENTERVILLE, UH, THERE'S BANIAN ROAD IF YOU KINDA SEE THAT HERE.
SO GENERALLY THAT BANIAN CENTERVILLE, THERE'S A LANCELOT PLACE OVER HERE, SOUTH FIRST STREET.
IT'S KINDA WHERE SOUTH FIRST STREET COMES INTO CENTERVILLE.
SO THERE'S SOME LIGHT COMMERCIAL THERE AND UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE SOME PDS WITH THAT COLOR AS WELL.
SO THOSE MAY DEFER TO LIGHT COMMERCIAL AS WELL, UNLESS THE SPECIFIC PD HAS, UM, OTHER REQUIREMENTS.
THAT'S GONNA BE YOUR HEAVY COMMERCIAL, I BELIEVE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DARKER COLOR BLUE.
UM, THERE IS SOME LIGHT COMMERCIAL ACTUALLY IN DISTRICT ONE COUNCILMAN.
UM, THAT'S WHERE THE FORMER ALBERTSONS CURRENTLY THE TUESDAY MORNING.
UM, THAT SHOPPING CENTER, DOLLAR TREE, UM, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S STRAIGHT ZONE LIGHT COMMERCIAL.
THERE'S A SCOOTERS IN THERE I BELIEVE.
AND THEN THAT, I THINK MAYBE ABOUT IT, YOU CAN SEE KIND OF COUPLE OF JUST RANDOM PDS HERE AND THERE WITH THAT COLOR AS A BASE ZONING, WE'D HAVE TO KIND OF DIG INTO THOSE SPECIFIC PDSS, BUT NOT, NOT A LOT.
I JUST HAD A, A SLIGHTLY, WELL IT'S, IT'S STILL CONCERNED WITH THIS, BUT, UM, WELL WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN GENERAL RETAIL AND DISCOUNT RETAIL, DO WE? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A CONVENIENCE STORE CLASSIFICATION, BUT THAT'S MORE OF A KIND OF A DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN GROCERY STORES AND CONVENIENCE STORES.
THAT, THAT'S JUST BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE PRIMARILY.
SO OVER 5,000 SQUARE FEET IS YOUR GENERAL GROCERY STORE.
UM, DON'T REALLY EVEN MATTER WHAT KIND OF GROCERY STORE JUST, UM, AND ANYTHING UNDER THAT.
IT'S GONNA BE A MORE CONVENIENT STORE.
BUT YES, I BELIEVE, UM, DOLLAR GENERAL IS GONNA BE, UM, JUST YOUR GENERAL RETAIL USE.
UM, AS FAR AS SHOULD WE, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I, UM, LOOKING AT THE LAW OR ATTORNEY TO SEE IF WE'RE ALLOWED
THAT SOUNDS PRETTY SUBJECTIVE.
HOW WOULD YOU DEFINE, WE'RE STARTING, IT SOUNDS TO ME WE'D BE GETTING MORE INTO THE WHO OF THE LAND USE THAN THE LAND USE, BUT RESEARCHING, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I HEAR A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT.
OH, WE WANT RETAIL, WE, OH, WE DON'T WANT ANOTHER DOLLAR STORE.
YOU KNOW, AND IF THERE WAS A LEGAL KIND FAIR WAY TO SAY WHAT'S A DISCOUNT AND WHAT'S A KNOT DISC? I DON'T
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KNOW.NO, THERE'S BEEN JUST CONVERSATIONS NATIONWIDE ABOUT JUST, YOU KNOW, FOOD DESERTS AND CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, LESS PRIVILEGED NEIGHBORHOODS AND HAVING ACCESS TO FRESH, YOU KNOW, STORES WITH FRESH FRUITS AND VEGETABLES, WHICH TYPICALLY THOSE STORES DON'T HAVE A LOT OF.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE LEGAL ASPECTS OR WHAT CITIES HAVE ACTUALLY DONE ANYTHING ZONING WISE THAT I DO NOT KNOW.
SO THAT MAY TAKE A LITTLE RESEARCHER LOOKING INTO IT JUST CROSSED MY MIND.
IF, IF THAT'S A LEGAL OPTION, I'D JUST LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT IT.
BUT AS, AS TO THE I 30 CORRIDOR, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, IF THE CONCERNS WERE LARGELY ABOUT ZONING FOR SELF-STORAGE DISCOUNT STORES AND CAR WASHES, IT LOOKS LIKE MOST OF THAT HAS BEEN, ESPECIALLY IF WE TAKE, UH, MINOR AUTO OUT OF THE, UH, COMMUNITY RETAIL, IT'S LOOKS LIKE THAT WOULD MOSTLY RESOLVE THE SPECIFIC ISSUES THAT YOU RAISED.
WELL, STILL ON DOESN'T ADDRESS LIKE COMMERCIAL, WELL, ON THE LAND USE MATRIX, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT? YES, SIR.
SO THE HERE'S YOUR LIGHT COMMERCIAL AUTO REPAIR MINOR AND CAR WASHES ARE IN LIGHT OR ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT BY RIGHT IN LIGHT COMMERCIAL.
AND THOSE ARE TWO OF HIS THING.
I WOULD BE FINE WITH MAKING THOSE ALSO SUVS THAT WOULD RESOLVE THE CONCERN.
I GUESS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW LIGHT COMMERCIAL REALLY FITS IN AS A, AS A CATEGORY, YOU KNOW? UM, 'CAUSE BECAUSE JUST LOOK AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO LOOK AT THE, AT THE, UM, MAP MM-HMM.
I MEAN, IF, IF SOMEBODY SAID, HEY, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF, YOU KNOW, GETTING RID OF LIGHT COMMERCIAL CATEGORY ALTOGETHER AND JUST CALLING EVERYTHING IT'S LIGHT COMMERCIAL COMMUNITY RETAIL.
AND SO IT'S HANDLED EXACTLY THE SAME, I WOULD SAY THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIGHT COMMERCIAL AREAS, THEY'RE REALLY, THEY LOOK LIKE COMMUNITY RETAIL AREAS TO ME.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE, THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE INDUSTRIAL AREAS.
THEY LOOK LIKE COMMUNITY RETAIL.
SO I'D BE CURIOUS AS TO WHY WE CREATED THAT CATEGORY TO BEGIN WITH.
UM, HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND KIND OF SEE THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT BEFORE MY TIME AS THE G D C WAS CREATED, BUT, UM, 'CAUSE IT DID, UM, KIND OF, UH, TRANSFER TRANSLATE CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS INTO NEW ONES.
AND ACTUALLY AS FAR AS A NET NUMBER OF ZONING DISTRICTS THAT REDUCED 'EM, UH, THE PREVIOUS CODE HAD MORE AND IT WAS, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY JUST FELT THOSE TOO MANY ZONING DISTRICTS TO HAVE.
SO THEY KIND OF SIMPLIFIED IT BY, UH, COMBINING A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS INTO COMMUNITY RETAIL AND THEN A COUPLE OTHERS IN THE LIGHT COMMERCIAL.
BUT IT SEEMS GENERALLY IT'S JUST KIND OF THAT TRANS TRANSITION BETWEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, YOUR COMMUNITY RETAIL, WHICH YOU ARE GONNA FIND IN VERY STANDARD SHOPPING AREAS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL VERSUS MORE HEAVIER AREAS WHERE THIS IS WHERE YOU GET INTO MUCH HEAVIER AUTO REPAIR AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES.
UM, IF IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL, I, THERE ACTUALLY SHOULD BE A DESCRIPTION OF, UM, ALL THE ZONING DISTRICTS WE CAN KIND OF READ, SEE WHAT THAT SAYS.
UM, WELL IT'S INTERESTING, IT KIND OF LUMPS, IT KIND OF DESCRIBES BOTH LIGHT COMMERCIAL AND HEAVY COMMERCIAL
SO I NOTICED IN HERE IT SAYS, UM, UTILIZE OUTSIDE STORAGE AREA.
THAT'S, THAT ARE SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW, BUT THAT'S SCREENING DOESN'T ALWAYS YEAH.
WELL, I, I WOULD, I WOULD ACTUALLY, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF, UH, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT LIGHT COMMERCIAL AND WHAT THAT MEANS.
ONE THING I WANNA SAY ABOUT THIS IS THAT REGARDING THE I 30 DISTRICT, UM, WE HAVE IN OUR BUDGET FOR A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO WE WILL CERTAINLY BE, I'M SURE TAKING A LOOK AT THAT AS PART OF IT AND WHATEVER COMES OUTTA THAT A YEAR FROM NOW, WE CAN YEAH.
LOOK AT REZONING AND I HATE TO DO ANY REZONING OR ANYTHING OR MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS WITHOUT COUNCILMAN FROM THAT DISTRICT MM-HMM.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA AND ACTUALLY JUST, JUST CAME TO ME THAT, AND THIS WAS A WHILE BACK, BUT, UM, IT'S GOOD THAT WE'LL KINDA LOOK AT THAT LIKE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
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UM, THERE WAS A, I THINK IT WAS A PRE SUBMITTAL MEETING THAT CAME THROUGH AND I DON'T THINK THEY EVEN MOVED FORWARD, BUT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN DOING A TIRE SHOP AND, UM, WE KIND OF HAD DISCUSSED THAT INTERNALLY AND COUNCILMAN MOORE WAS AWARE OF, OF THAT AND JUST THERE WASN'T REALLY ANYTHING WE COULD DO ZONING WISE.SO, AND THAT WAS RIGHT NEAR THE I 30 AREA.
SO, UM, THE, THE TIMING IS RIGHT.
WELL, WOULD WOULD WE BE INTERESTED IN AT LEAST WITH LIGHT COMMERCIAL TAKING OUT THE AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR USES? WELL, I THINK IN, I WOULD SAY YES, EXCEPT THAT I WOULD THINK WE'D WANNA REVIEW THIS WITH COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE FIRST SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE MULTIPLE THINGS GOING THROUGH, THROUGH, AND THEN HAVE IT COME BACK.
YEAH, JUST, IT'S JUST TO, TO SOME EXTENT, WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE WHERE THINGS ARE MOVING ALONG FAST.
A LOT OF LAND IS GETTING SNAPPED UP AND SO I WOULDN'T WANNA WAIT TILL THE WHOLE NEW PLAN CAME OUT AND LET OTHER THINGS BE BLOSSOMING THERE.
IF, IF THAT'S WHAT WE ACTUALLY DON'T WANT.
BUT YEAH, I WANT TO TAKE, BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING WITH LIKE, I WANNA TAKE A LITTLE MORE DEEPER LOOK AT IT AND SEE.
SO, UM, WELL THEN ARE WE SATISFIED WITH THIS ITEM THEN WE'RE JUST GOING TO YEP.
WAIT AND SEE, NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES.
IS THAT A RECOMMENDATION? OKAY.
WELL, NO CHANGES TO THIS ITEM THEN.
I'VE BEEN WATCHING THEM DO THE RESEARCH IN THE FIELDS ON THIS.
YEAH, THIS HAS BEEN FUN,
WE ARE HAPPY TO COME BACK TO THE COMMITTEE AND, AND TALK ABOUT THE INFORMATION THAT WE, UH, RECEIVED FROM THE, SINCE THE LAST MEETING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UM, LETICIA AND I, WE WERE LOOKING INTO, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT, UH, ABOUT THE BIKE LOCKERS.
AND SO, UM, WE DO HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT COST AND OPERATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND, AND A COUPLE MORE, UM, POINTS TO BRING UP, UH, FOR THE COMMITTEE'S CONSIDERATION.
UH, JUST AS A REMINDER, UH, THIS IS THE DIAGRAM WE PRESENTED LAST TIME.
I DID MAKE A COUPLE OF EDITS, UH, BASED ON SOME FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM STAFF AND OUR CONSULTANT ABOUT PLANNED, UM, AND OR EXISTING, UM, BIKE RACKS NEAR AROUND THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
UH, SO THE TWO THAT WERE ADDED, UM, I DID NOT HAVE ON THERE BEFORE.
WERE ONE HERE AT STATE AND FIFTH, AND THEN AT STATE OR FIFTH AND MAINE.
UM, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT EVERYTHING ELSE HAS, UH, STAYED THE SAME IN TERMS OF WHAT, WHAT'S BEING, UH, WHAT'S EXISTING AND OR FUNDED.
AND THEN THE ONES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED AS PART OF THIS EFFORT.
UH, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE ONE HERE AT MAIN, MAIN STREET IS, IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.
AND WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
UH, 'CAUSE AFTER WE DID SOME, UM, RECONNAISSANCE IN THE FIELD, UM, WE HAVE, UH, A DIFFERENT POSITION ABOUT THAT LOCATION.
SO I'D LIKE TO SHARE THAT WITH THE COMMITTEE.
UH, SO JUST TO RECAP ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE PRESENTED LAST TIME, THIS IS ONE PRODUCT.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE PRODUCT THAT WE GO FORWARD WITH, BUT SOMETHING SIMILAR TO IT AND STYLE AND SIZE.
UH, THIS COMPANY IS CALLED CYCLE SAFE.
UM, THEY HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, BIKE LOCKERS, UH, THAT THEY DISTRIBUTE ACROSS THE NATION.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
WELL, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, BUT SCALED UP FOR HOWEVER MANY THAT ARE HERE, EIGHT OR NINE.
UM, SO I'LL COME BACK TO THAT JUST AS AN EXAMPLE.
UH, JUST TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT.
UM, SO AS I MENTIONED, IT IS SCALABLE.
UM, LETICIA AND I WENT OUT TO THE PARKING GARAGE, TOOK SOME MEASUREMENTS, UM, IF YOU'LL REMEMBER OR KIND OF VISUALIZE AS YOU'RE DRIVING IN TO THE PARKING GARAGE FROM, UH, STATE STREET ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE WHERE THE BIKE RACKS ARE.
UH, THIS IS THE, THIS IS STATE STREET ALONG THIS AR THIS SIDE, UH, THIS IS THE WALL RIGHT HERE.
THESE ARE TWO SUPPORT COLUMNS.
SO THIS IS THE LARGE CONCRETE PAD.
UH, AFTER DOING SOME MEASUREMENTS, IT LOOKS LIKE WE WILL BE ABLE TO FIT THREE OF THOSE BIKE LOCKERS.
UM, OVERALL WHAT WE'RE TRYING, WHAT WE GATHERED FROM THE INFORMATION FROM CYCLE SAFE IS THAT THEY REQUIRE AT LEAST FOUR FEET OF CLEARANCE ON WHEREVER YOU OPEN THE DOOR.
AND SO THESE THREE RECTANGLE BOXES CAN HOLD TWO STANDARD SIZED BI UH, BICYCLES.
UM, ONE THING I'LL, I'LL SHOW YOU IN JUST A MINUTE IS WE CAN CONFIGURE THESE WHEN WE CONNECT THEM TOGETHER TO HAVE ROOM FOR LARGE BICYCLES.
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INTERIOR CONFIGURATION THAT YOU CAN DO, UM, SO THAT YOU CAN ACCOMMODATE TWO LARGER BIKES.SO FOUR TOTAL, LIKE ONE STANDARD SIZE OR TWO, SORRY, TWO STANDARD SIZE AND TWO LARGE OR SIX STANDARD SIZE.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF, WE HAVE THAT OPTION AND THEY CAN BE, YOU KNOW, CONFIGURED WITH THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ACCESS ON THE LOCK AND ALL THAT BASED ON THAT CONFIGURATION, WHICH IS ALSO, BY THE WAY, WE CAN MODIFY IT IN THE FUTURE IF WE EVER NEED IT TO MODIFY IT.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE A FINAL DECISION ONCE IT'S DONE.
BUT, UH, SO THIS IS FOUR FEET ON THIS SIDE OF THE, OF THE BIKE LOCKERS TO THE FIRST PARKING SPOT ON THIS SIDE.
SO WE, WE CAN MAINTAIN THE FOUR FEET ON THIS SIDE.
AND THEN AS WE WERE, UM, KIND OF TALKING THROUGH IT, AND RATHER THAN IT BEING CENTERED, WE THOUGHT HAVING ADDITIONAL SETBACK FROM WHERE THE VEHICLES ARE DRIVING WOULD BE A, UM, A SAFER WAY TO GET THOSE CONFIGURED.
SO WE'RE ABLE TO GET SIX AND A HALF FEET FROM THE, UM, THE EXIT LANE FROM THE GARAGE, AND THEN FOUR AND A HALF FEET FROM WHERE THE CARS PULL UP TO THAT FIRST STOP SIGN.
SO, UH, WE FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT THIS IS A SAFE OPTION FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR, UH, BIKE LOCKERS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
UM, I DID CONFIRM WITH THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT THAT THESE BOXES DO NOT IMPEDE ON ANY SITE LINES, UH, FOR VEHICLES ENTERING OR EXITING THE PARKING GARAGE.
UM, SO, UH, I THINK WE ARE FINE ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY STANDPOINT NOW, IT'S JUST KIND OF LOGISTICS ON THE COST AND IMPLEMENTATION AND, AND PROGRAMMING OF, OF THE, UH, OF THE BIKE LOCKER.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? NO.
UH, SO THIS IS WHAT THE BIKE LOCKERS LOOK LIKE.
THEY'RE ABOUT 50 INCHES TALL, UM, SIX AND A HALF FEET LONG, ABOUT 42 INCHES WIDE.
AND SO WE COUNTED FOR A TOTAL OF 48, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CONNECTION PIECE IN BETWEEN, LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE SCALABLE AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, UM, SO THIS DIAGRAM ACTUALLY SHOWS IT BETTER.
UH, THIS, THIS PART OF THE DIAGRAM ON THE BOTTOM LEFT SHOWS HOW YOU CAN CONFIGURE THE INSIDE FOR THESE TWO LARGER LOCKERS.
SO LIKE A RECUMBENT BIKE OR A BIKE WITH LIKE SADDLEBAGS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE TO TAKE UP COULD DO THAT.
SO THIS IS THE FOUR, YOU KNOW, THE FOUR DOOR SITUATION.
UM, IF WE WERE TO HAVE THE SAME THREE BOXES BUT WANTED THIS JUST THE ROOM FOR THE SIX STANDARD BIKES, IT WOULD BE THIS CONFIGURATION RIGHT HERE.
UH, SO IN TERMS OF PRICING, THE TWO DOOR LOCKER, THIS PRO PARK SERIES STARTS AT $4,800.
THAT INCLUDES THE $3,800 FOR THE UNIT.
SO THE, THE LOCKING MECHANISM WE WENT, WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS.
THERE'S FOUR DIFFERENT LOCKING SITUATIONS.
YOU CAN DO A KEYED LOCK, WHICH IS NOT GONNA WORK.
YOU KNOW, WE WANT IT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
YOU CAN DO A KEYPAD, WHICH IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, VERY DIFFICULT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO MANAGE.
UM, THERE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, SELF-LOCKING, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS OUTTA THE QUESTION HERE.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S BLUETOOTH.
AND SO BLUETOOTH SEEMS TO BE THE BEST OPTION.
UH, THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN APP THAT COMES WITH IT AND YOU CAN ASSIGN, IT'S TOTALLY FLEXIBLE IN TERMS OF ASSIGNING GROUPS TO CERTAIN RATES.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, CITY STAFF, YOU KNOW, HAVE A CERTAIN RATE VERSUS THE PUBLIC OR, UM, YOU KNOW, WHO, HOWEVER YOU WANT IT TO DO IT.
UM, AND YOU CAN HAVE A, THERE'S LIKE AN OPENING, A DOOR OPENING FEE, AND THEN AN HOURLY RATE.
UM, THE PERSON I TALKED TO HAD LIKE A 50 CENT, YOU KNOW, HE HAS SEEN 50 CENTS AS AN OPENING FEE AND THEN A DOLLAR AN HOUR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AND IT'S ALL BASED ON LIKE EMAILS AND LIKE USERNAME AND LOGIN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THERE'S A QR CODE ON THE FRONT.
YOU CAN SCAN IT, THE QR CODE READER AND DOWNLOAD THE APP AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO IT'S, IT'S PRETTY USER FRIENDLY, BUT YOU, YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE A SMARTPHONE TO ACCESS IT.
UM, SO THIS TOP ONE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS THE STARTER WITH THE STANDARD SIDE.
AND SO AS, JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS IS THE STANDARD, THIS IS THE END PIECE OF ANY, ANY ONE OF THESE LOCKERS THAT ARE SCALABLE.
YOU CAN PUT, IF IT'S ONE, IT'LL HAVE THIS PIECE ON THE END.
IF IT'S EIGHT OR NINE, IT STILL HAS TO HAVE THIS PIECE ON THE END WITH OR WITHOUT THE WINDOW.
BUT THEN YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, EACH OF THESE UNITS.
SO THERE'S A FEW INCHES IN BETWEEN, UM, THAT YOU HAVE TO CONFIGURE IN SUCH A WAY THAT, TO MAKE IT WORK LIKE THAT.
UM, SO HERE I WENT ALREADY WENT OVER THE LOCKING OPTIONS.
UM, THE, THE THOUSAND DOLLARS PER DOOR IS, IT COMES WITH A FIVE YEAR LICENSE AND AFTER THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY $120 PER YEAR FOR THAT LICENSE.
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BATTERIES.HE'S SEEN IT NEEDING TO BE REPLACED TWICE A YEAR DEPENDING ON THE USAGE.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE CUSTOMIZABLE, YOU CAN DO MEMBERSHIPS, HYBRID, PAID FREE, KIND OF KIND OF A SITUATION.
YOU DOWNLOAD THE APP, ENTER IN YOUR PAYMENT, AND THEN YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY RESERVE IT AHEAD OF TIME IF YOU KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO USE IT.
THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE SECURED ON YOUR RESERVATION.
UM, SO JUST TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL WITH THE, WITH THAT PIECE THAT I WAS HIGHLIGHTING TO YOU ON THE END, IT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME MARKETING IF WE WANTED TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD AND MAYBE GETTING SOME SPONSORSHIP, YOU KNOW, TO PAY FOR THE PAY FOR THE LOCKERS.
UM, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, TO TO, TO THAT APPROACH.
SO, UM, YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL WITH, WITH THE LOCKERS.
UH, WE THINK THAT THERE'S, UM, DEFINITELY ROOM FOR THREE IN THAT ONE SPOT.
WE CAN MAKE IT, MAKE IT THE FOUR OR SIX, YOU KNOW, UNIT CONFIGURATION.
UM, WITHOUT GOING BACK TO THE COST REAL QUICK.
SO THE, THE SHIPPING REQUIRES THAT THEY, IT, IT ARRIVES IN PIECES.
SO HOWEVER MANY WE BUY, IT COMES PALLETIZED AND THAT'S TO SAVE, SAVE ON SHIPPING.
OTHERWISE IT'D BE A LOT MORE IN SHIPPING 'CAUSE IT TAKES UP A LOT MORE SPACE.
SO THE SHIPPING COSTS IS TO BE DETERMINED, UH, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY WE, WE ORDER, UH, AND WE HAVE TO ASSEMBLE IT ONSITE OURSELVES OR HIRE SOMEBODY TO DO IT.
SO, UM, AT THE VERY MINIMUM, WE'RE LOOKING AT $5,000 PER UNIT, UH, PER RECTANGLE, UM, BOX.
UM, SO TIMES THREE, THAT'D BE $1,500 PLUS SHIPPING, PLUS INSTALLATION LABOR.
SO MOVING ON FROM BIKE LOCKERS.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON BIKE LOCKERS BEFORE I TALK ABOUT THE STREET SCAPE, THE PROPOSED BIKE RACKS ON STREET STREETSCAPE, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PROPOSED AREAS TO PUT THE BIKE LOCKERS? WE LOOKED AND THERE WAS ONE SPOT TOWARDS THE INTERIOR OF THE GARAGE WHERE THEY HAVE THE DUMPSTERS CURRENTLY.
UM, I HAPPENED TO BE THERE WHEN THE, THE PERSON OUT THERE WHO WHEELS 'EM OUT HAPPENS TO BE AT THE THERE AT THE SAME TIME.
SO I STARTED TALKING TO HIM ABOUT LOGISTICS, YOU KNOW, HOW OFTEN HE DOES THAT AND HOW MUCH ROOM THAT THEY NEED.
UM, SO THAT WHOLE AREA IS OCCUPIED BY FOUR DUMPSTERS AT, AT ANY GIVEN TIME AND HE HAS TO ROLL 'EM OUT, TWO TRASH, TWO RECYCLING.
SO THE ONLY REAL SPOT THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME SPACE FOR ONE IS IN THE CORNER, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THE DOORS WHERE THE, THERE'S A CURRENT BIKE RACK, THERE'S A BIKE RACK THERE.
NOW THAT, AS FAR AS I'M, I'VE ALWAYS, EVERY TIME I'VE BEEN IN THE GARAGE HAS NEVER BEEN USED FOR BIKE STORAGE, BUT, UM, SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY PLACE IN THAT SPOT.
UM, I KNOW PARKING'S A PREMIUM IN DOWNTOWN, SO I'M, I WOULDN'T DARE TO PROPOSE THAT WE OCCUPY ANY PARKING STALLS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BIKE LOCKER.
UM, AND, AND REALLY FOR, FOR SECURITY REASONS, I MEAN OUTSIDE OF THE, THE DOWN THE, UH, THE GARAGE, THERE MAY BE SOME MORE OPPORTUNITIES DEPENDING ON CITY OWNED PROPERTY OR ANY PARTNERSHIPS WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE GARAGE ITSELF, THAT WOULD REALLY THE ONLY LOCATION IN THE GARAGE SO THAT WE FEEL WOULD BE THE BEST LOCATION.
WE HAVEN'T, BUT WE HAVEN'T EXPLORED ANYWHERE ELSE AROUND THE SQUARE.
UH, NO, NO, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, UH, REAL ESTATE IS REALLY PREMIUM AROUND CITY HALL AND DOWNTOWN.
AND SO THESE DO TAKE UP A LOT OF SPACE.
SO WE, WE HAVEN'T DONE A DEEP DIVE ON WHAT CITY OWNED PROPERTIES WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PURSUE HAVING THEM WITH ENOUGH SPACE.
UM, AND WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT ANY PRIVATE PROPERTY PARTNERSHIPS POTENTIALLY.
HAVE WE EVEN GIVEN ANY THOUGHT TO THE UPPER LEVELS OF THE PARKING GARAGE, SEEING AS HOW WE HAVE AN ELEVATOR? WE, WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT.
AND I THINK FOR SECURITY IT WOULD BE HARD FOR THE CYCLISTS TO GET ALL THE WAY UP EITHER WITH THE ELEVATOR OR THE RIDING UP.
UM, I GUESS THEY COULD WITH THE ELEVATOR.
UM, BUT IT'S JUST, IT WOULDN'T BE CONVENIENT.
BUT IF THIS GOES OVER REALLY WELL AND THERE'S AN OUTCRY FOR MORE, THEN YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CAMERAS IN THE PARKING GARAGE MM-HMM.
I USED TO RIDE BIKES, JUST GO INTO THE ELEVATOR, GO TO THE FLOOR AND AS LONG AS THEY KNOW IT'S THERE AND ALL THAT.
BUT AS A STARTING POINT, I LOVE THIS, IT'S EXCITING AND WE'LL SEE HOW POPULAR IT IS AND HOW WELL IT'S USED.
UM, AND SOMETHING YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY TOUCH BASE WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGERS OF THE APARTMENTS.
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ENSURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND LOCATION AND USE AND WHATNOT THERE TOO.SO I HAVE ONE QUESTION, IF WE GO FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSAL
SO I WANTED TO, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MINUTE TO TALK ABOUT THE, UM, STREET SCAPE.
AND SO JUST REM AS A REMINDER, THIS IS, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE TO TALK ABOUT THESE TWO SPOTS WHERE IT SAYS T B D ALONG STATE STREET AND T B D ALONG SIXTH STREET.
SO WE WERE LOOKING AT THE, THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF THE PARKING STALLS, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, AND I APOLOGIZE IF THIS IS HARD TO READ, UM, BUT THE RED LINES THAT YOU SEE HERE ARE THE CURB.
SO I, I PUT IN A, A TRUCK THAT'S ABOUT 19 AND A HALF FEET LONG JUST FOR SCALE.
UM, THIS BLUE LINE THAT YOU SEE CONNECTS WITH THE OTHER TREE, WELL JUST TO THE EAST OF HERE.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S THESE THREE GAPS AND THEN ANOTHER TREE RIGHT IN HERE.
SO ESSENTIALLY THIS IS WHERE THE CLEAR WIDTH OF THE SIDEWALK WOULD BE CONSIDERED BETWEEN THE TREE GRATE AND THE FACE OF THE BUILDING.
UH, IF WE INSTALLED ONE, UM, ONE LOOP BAR OF, FOR A BIKE RACK, WE CAN GET TWO BIKES IN, UM, WITH FAR ENOUGH DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE FRONT BUMPER OF THIS CAR AND WITHOUT IMPEDING INTO THE, THE CLEAR WIDTH OF THE SIDEWALK.
AND SO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT, UH, WE CAN GET, YOU KNOW, THIS, SO THIS IS THE CROSSWALK GOING ACROSS ON THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE, ON STATE STREET.
AND SO IT WOULD BE JUST A FEW PARKING STALLS TO THE EAST OF THAT CROSSWALK AND UM, IN BETWEEN CENTERED IN BETWEEN THE TWO TREES THAT ARE JUST EAST OF THE CROSSWALK.
AND SO, UH, WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO GET, UH, TWO BICYCLES IN THERE, UM, AT LEAST TO ACCOMMODATE THE REQUEST OF ADDITIONAL, UH, BIKE LOCKERS IN FRONT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, ALONG, ALONG MIDWAY ALONG THOSE BLOCKS.
IS IT STATE STREET OR MAIN STREET? IT SAYS MAIN STREET.
OKAY, SO THAT IS STATE STREET.
UM, ANY QUESTION ON THAT? YEAH, WOULD IT BE BETTER TO TURN IT SO IT'S PARALLEL TO THE BLUE LINE, TURN THE BIKE RACK? WE HAVE MORE ROOM ALONG THE POPNESS OF THE TRIANGLE THERE RATHER THAN TRYING TO FIT IT IN THE 90 DEGREE LEGS.
UM, THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER OPTION, UM, FOR LONGER BIKES POTENTIALLY TRYING TO MAXIMIZE SPACE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD WORK OR NOT, BUT YEAH, I GUESS IN MY MIND I WAS JUST LINING IT UP, RIGHT, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, PARALLEL WITH THE SHORT SIDE OF THE PARKING STALL.
BUT YEAH, I THINK, UM, WE CAN HAVE MORE ROOM IF WE ORIENTED IT, UM, THAT LONG WAY OR ALONG THE SIDEWALK.
I'D SAY TOO, IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY A FOCUS ON MAINTAINING THE PEDESTRIAN PATH MM-HMM.
YEAH, IF YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF IT, YOU PLAY AROUND WITH THE ORIENTATION THERE MM-HMM.
BUT SEE, MAYBE SEE HOW THAT LAYOUT LOOKS.
AND, AND WE'LL DIG INTO THAT MM-HMM.
SO IT'S A VERY SIMILAR CONFIGURATION.
UH, ACTUALLY THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE ROOM HERE ALONG SIXTH STREET BASED ON HOW IT LAID OUT.
SO, UM, WE FEEL THAT THIS IS A GOOD COMPROMISE TO HAVE SOME BIKE LOCKING POTENTIAL IN THOSE AREAS.
UM, WITHOUT HAVING THREE OR FOUR IN A ROW, AT LEAST WE CAN HAVE ONE AND ACCOMMODATE, UM, ACCOMMODATE THOSE WHO ARE LOOKING TO PARK, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT OF THE ADJACENT BUSINESSES ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHERS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE PROPOSED IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
AND THOSE PROPOSED FARTHER OUT ARE SEVERAL U SHAPES RATHER THAN JUST AN INDIVIDUAL UNIT.
UM, AND SO TALKING ABOUT MAIN STREET, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, UH, WE DON'T FEEL AS, UM, CONFIDENT ABOUT THAT BEING A LOCATION ANYMORE.
UM, SOFT AREAS, LANDSCAPED AREAS ARE AT A PREMIUM IN DOWNTOWN AREA.
UM, WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH A CERTAIN AESTHETIC WITH THE DOWNTOWN, UM, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN PROJECT THAT ONE LANDSCAPE BED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SQUARE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE CROSSING THE CROSSWALK ONTO, YOU KNOW THAT SOUTHERN SIDEWALK IS ONE OF THE ONLY LANDSCAPED AREAS IN THAT SIDE AND IT'S, IT'S RIGHT AT EIGHT, EIGHT FEET BY EIGHT AND A HALF FEET, WHICH IS, IT WOULD BE REALLY TIGHT TO HAVE, UH, BIKES PARKED IN THERE.
SO AS A REQUIREMENT FOR BIKE RACKS, IT WOULD NEED TO BE PAVED SO THAT THE BIKE RACK CAN BE, YOU KNOW, ATTACHED TO IT.
UM, AND THEN YOU'RE LOSING SOME NICE POTENTIAL FOR LANDSCAPING AND WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH
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AROUND THERE THAT NOT HAVING ONE THERE IS NOT GONNA, UM, YOU KNOW, DETRACT IN VALUE FROM, FROM A BICYCLIST STANDPOINT IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO PARK SOMEWHERE.THIS IS A REALLY CLOSE AREA IN TERMS OF MM-HMM.
IF THEY'RE REALLY THAT CONCERNED ABOUT SECURITY, I MEAN WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE THE POTENTIALLY THE BIKE LOCKERS FOR THEM.
SO THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION AND LIKE TO GET ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR THAT'S A LOT OF BIKE PARKING
IT IS, IT SHOULD MAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAPPY.
I'M HAPPY TO SEE THIS SENT TO COUNCIL AND LET COUNCIL SURE.
UH, THE, THE, I'M NOT OVERLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE 15,000 THAT'S WELL WITHIN THE CITY MANAGER'S DISCRETION AND DISCRETIONARY FUNDS THAT HE CAN ASSIGN.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL DECIDES THAT THEY WANT, UM, I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE BUDGETING AT LEAST 20,000, UM, FOR, TO ALLOW FOR SHIPPING AND INSTALLATION.
SO JUST IF WE'RE GOING TO IMAGINE A NUMBER WHILE WE'RE ASKING FOR IT,
HOW ABOUT ANOTHER, ARE WE HERE IN 25? HOW ABOUT 30? 30? NO, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE CAN GET THEM SHIPPED AND ASSEMBLED.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S CLEARLY, IT'S A, IT'S A NEW TECHNOLOGY AND YOU KNOW, I GUESS BIKES COST A LOT MORE NOW THAN THEY DID WHEN I WAS A KID.
SO I CAN UNDERSTAND PEOPLE'S, UH, CONCERN FOR THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THEIR BIKE.
SO I THINK THAT I WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO THAT.
AND UM, I'M GUESSING ON THESE, THEY'RE GREAT AT COLLECTING DATA THAT WE CAN USE IN THE FUTURE AND, YOU KNOW, FUTURE EXPANSION PLANS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
YEAH, I DID ASK THAT QUESTION.
AND THERE IS SOME DATA WE CAN USE IN TERMS OF USAGE.
I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH PERSONAL DATA COMES WITH ALL THAT.
UM, BUT YES, WE CAN JUST DATA, JUST DATA IN TERMS OF USAGE OVERALL.
IS IT THIS COMMITTEE'S DESIRE TO TAKE THIS ITEM TO COUNSEL? I BELIEVE SO, YES.
COMMITTEE, THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THEN AT 4 57 WE ARE ADJOURNED.