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ALL RIGHT.[Development Services Committee on September 18, 2023.]
TO THE SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2023 MEETING OF THE GARLAND CITY COUNCIL'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICE COMMITTEE.I'M THE CHAIRMAN, DYLAN HEDRICK.
WITH ME, I HAVE MAYOR PRO TIM JEFF BASS AND COMMITTEE MEMBER DEBORAH MORRIS.
WE'LL START WITH THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.
IT'S THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE JULY 17TH, 2023 MEETING.
MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A, A COMMENT ON THIS.
THERE ARE NO ACTUAL DETAILS HERE.
SO EVERY SINGLE ITEM, INSTEAD OF SAYING WHAT THE CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT OR PROVIDING ANY KIND OF CONTEXT, IT EACH SAYS THERE WAS DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE COMMITTEE AND STAFF.
THE COMMITTEE REQUESTED THIS ITEM BE PRESENTED TO COUNSEL.
SO I DON'T KNOW, CAN WE ASK FOR THE MINUTES TO BE REDONE BASED ON THE AUDIO TAPE TO FLESH IT IN WITH THINGS WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY READ THE EVENTS? SURE.
I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT, PLEASE.
THEN WE'LL, UH, TABLE THEN, I GUESS YOU'RE ASKING TABLED A MINUTE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THIS MEETING? YES.
VERY WELL, WE'LL TABLE THAT THEN, UH, TILL OUR NEXT MEETING.
WE'LL MOVE ON THEN TO OUR NEXT ITEM, PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I DON'T SEE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC IN HERE, BUT WE ALWAYS WELCOME ANY COMMENTS THEY MAY HAVE.
UH, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
FIRST ITEM IS STORMWATER FEE CALCULATIONS.
THIS IS AN ITEM THAT I ASKED, BE SURE, YEAH, I ASKED BE PRESENTED TO THE COMMITTEE JUST BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE BEEN SOME DISCUSSION IN OUR WORK SESSIONS ABOUT STORM WATER FEES AND I WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT REALLY HOW OURS IS CALCULATED AND COMPARED TO SOME OTHER CITIES THAT I'VE LOOKED AT ON IF THERE WOULD, IF WE WANT TO HAVE ANY CHANGES TO HOW OUR FEES CALCULATED AND EVEN PERHAPS HOW, UH, THERE ARE SOME REBATES FOR DOING SUCH THINGS SUCH AS RAIN GARDENS OR RAIN BARRELS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO US.
I KNOW YOU HANDED US A, A LITTLE, SO, UM, STAFF DID NOT NECESSARILY PREPARE A PRESENTATION FOR THIS.
WE ARE HERE MORE SO TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING AND THEN TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THAT AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, ANY, UM, I GUESS, PROPOSED IDEAS THAT YOU HAVE.
UM, MAYBE TRY AND FLESH THOSE OUT.
SO DO YOU WANNA GO OVER THE, WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW? RIGHT.
AND, AND, AND YOU HAVE THE HANDOUT IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND, AND WHAT WE HAVE IS, IS, UH, FOR OUR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, WE HAVE BASICALLY WHAT WAS CONSIDERED YEARS AGO AS AN AVERAGE SIZE PROPERTY.
WE'VE ACTUALLY GONE BACK ABOUT IN THE LAST 13 YEARS.
IN THE DEFINITION THAT YOU SEE HERE IS WHAT WE'VE GONE WITH IS LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO 3,750 SQUARE FOOT.
THESE ARE ACTUALLY THE LOT SIZES, NOT THE, NOT THE HOME SIZES, BUT THE LOT SIZES.
AND UH, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, IT'S A DOLLAR 82 A MONTH FOR THE SMALL AND THEN 37 51 TO 11,499 SQUARE FEET OF LOT SIZE WAS, UM, 3 59.
AND THEN THE LARGE IS ANYTHING GREATER THAN 11,500.
SO THOSE, THOSE ARE OUR RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
AND AGAIN, WHEN THIS STARTED OVER 20 SOMETHING YEARS AGO, THE, THE DEFINITION WASN'T WELL DEFINED AND WE REDEFINED IT ABOUT 13 YEARS AGO FOR ALL OTHER, UH, DEVELOPED PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD BE COMMERCIAL IN, IN THAT RA IN, IN YOUR INDUSTRIAL, THAT THOSE TYPES OF PROPERTIES, UH, WE ARE CHARGING 9200 CENTS PER 100 SQUARE FEET OF IMPERVIOUS AREA.
SO THESE ARE BASED ON THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF, OF IMPERVIOUS AREA, ALL YOUR CONCRETE PARKING LOTS, YOUR BUILDINGS, UM, ANY SIDEWALKS, THAT TYPE OF THING.
THOSE ARE CALCULATED FOR THE COMMERCIAL LOTS.
AND THAT'S ALL BASED ON THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THEM AS THEY COME IN TO DEVELOP.
AND EVEN IF THEY DEVELOP AN ADD ONTO A BUILDING, WE REVISE THAT WITH, WITH THE PROPERTY AT THE TIME.
SO THOSE HAVE BEEN CALCULATED OKAY.
BUT THAT'S HOW WE, WE BILL IT TODAY.
AND I KNOW THAT THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT THIS, I BELIEVE WAS LAST YEAR.
I BELIE I BELIEVE WE DID A COST COMPARISON EITHER LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE IN, COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES.
AND WE'RE BASICALLY IN THE MIDDLE TO THIRD TO HALF, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE AVERAGE WITH OTHER CITIES AROUND THE METROPLEX.
AND WE USUALLY COMPARE OURSELVES TO ABOUT NINE OR 10 OTHER CITIES ABOUT EQUAL SIZE.
KIMMI, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THEN? NO, DON'T, DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I WAS JUST LOOKING, I LOOKED AT SOME OTHER CITIES THAT
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I, I DEAL WITH TIME, TIME IN AUSTIN, SAN ANTONIO, AND, AND THEY HAVE VARIOUS STRUCTURES FOR THEIR FEES FOR BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL.UM, SAN ANTONIO, FOR INSTANCE, FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL, THEY CHARGE MORE PER SQUARE FOOT AS YOU GET MORE IMPERVIOUS AREA.
SO IF YOU'RE UNDER 21, 20%, YOU'RE IN ONE TIER, 20 TO 40% IN ANOTHER 40 TO 65, AND THEN ABOVE 65.
SO IT, I GUESS THE THOUGHT THERE IS THAT AS YOU GET MORE IMPERVIOUS AREA, YOU HAVE MORE IMPACT AND THEN YOUR FEE GOES UP.
UH, AUSTIN ALSO FOR, UM, RESIDENTIAL AREAS, THEY GIVE DISCOUNTS.
IF YOU HAVE A, A RAIN BARREL, A 55 GALLON RAIN BARREL, YOU GET A DISCOUNT OF 20 CENTS A MONTH OR 30 20 TO 30 CENTS A MONTH.
A RAIN GARDENS OF CERTAIN SIZE, YOU GET A, YOU KNOW, UP TO A DOLLAR 20.
AND THEN IF YOU HAVE A, A BIG TANK FOR RAINWATER, YOU HAVE A, A HIGHER DISCOUNT.
BUT, UM, I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN RAISING THE FEE, TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE FEES THAT ARE GOING UP.
WE RAISED IT AS PAST OUR CURRENT BUDGET, AND IF THERE'S ANY THOUGHT ON THE COUNCIL OF CHANGING OUR FEE STRUCTURE OR EVEN GIVING A DISCOUNT IF WE IMPLEMENT THESE TYPE OF, UM, TYPE OF MITIGATION METHODS, WELL LOOK AT HOW INEXPENSIVE THE RESIDENTIAL IS.
UM, I WOULD THINK THAT JUST THE ADMINISTRATIVE COST OF MANAGING A DISCOUNT FOR A RAIN BARREL WOULD GREATLY EX EXCEED THE TOTAL REVENUE THAT WE'RE COLLECTING FROM THEM.
SO I'D, I'D, I I AND I DON'T FEEL THAT, I MEAN, EVEN IF YOU DISCOUNTED IT A HUNDRED PERCENT, THAT'S NOT REALLY PROVIDING MUCH INCENTIVE FOR SOMEBODY TO DO.
SO I, I I DON'T SEE THE BENEFIT OF THAT.
WELL, I WOULD, UH, THOUGHT I'D BRING IT UP AND TAP FOR YOUR SECTION FOR, FOR THE COMMITTEE, BUT, UM, LOOKS LIKE WE'LL GO THEN JUST KEEP IT STATUS QUO FOR THE CURRENT TIME AND REPORT IT OUT TO COUNSEL THEN.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM UP IS OUR AMENDING CONSIDER AMENDING RECEPTION HALL USES.
AND MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY I, YES, I REFERRED THIS.
AND JUST TO, TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND, WE HAVE A ONE SIZE, CURRENTLY HAVE A ONE SIZE FITS ALL RECEPTION HALL USE THAT IS CLEARLY IN THE LANGUAGE ENVISIONED FOR LARGE EVENTS, INCLUDING THINGS LIKE SECURITY ISSUES AND, AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THE WAY THIS CAME UP IS OUR NEW, UM, ART GALLERY DOWNTOWN, UM, EPIPHANY, UH, GALLERY ON STATE STREET HAS A VERY SMALL 800 SQUARE FOOT AREA THAT SHE WANTED TO USE, ALONG WITH HAVING THE ART GALLERY THERE OCCASIONALLY RENTED OUT FOR BABY SHOWERS OR SMALL, UH, EVENTS.
AND OUR CURRENT RECEPTION HALL, UM, USE IS, IS PRETTY ONEROUS FOR THAT AND WOULD REQUIRE AN SS U P AND SOME SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS ON HER PART.
SO IN TALKING WITH MR. GARRIN, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE PO THE, THE ADVISABILITY OF POSSIBLY PUTTING THIS INTO LARGE AND SMALL CATEGORIES.
SO WE COULD NOT HAVE A ONE SIZE FITS ALL, HAVE SOMETHING THAT WOULD FIT BETTER AND DIFFERENTIATE.
AND I'LL LET MR. GARRIN TAKE IT FROM THERE, IF THAT'S OKAY.
THAT'S, THAT WAS A GOOD SUMMARY.
UM, I'VE JUST GOT A, A JUST QUICK SLIDE SHOWING OUR CURRENT, UH, OR THE G'S CURRENT, UM, LANGUAGE, UH, KIND OF THE DEFINITION OF PERCEPTION FACILITIES.
SO, UM, THE DEFINITION IS AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT IS OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC OR MADE AVAILABLE FOR PRIVATE USE, PRIMARILY FOR THE PROVISION OF FACILITIES FOR PARTIES, DANCES, RECEPTIONS, BANQUETS OR SIMILAR SOCIAL EVENTS.
UH, THE TERM DOES NOT INCLUDE RESTAURANTS, HOTELS, COUNTRY CLUBS, THEATERS OR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENTS THAT PROVIDE SUCH ACTIVITIES AS A SECONDARY USE.
SO, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANT MAY HAVE A, AN EVENT ROOM, BUT THE, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN BE RENTED OUT FOR PARTIES AND RECEPTIONS AND WHATNOT.
BUT THE DELINEATION THERE IS KINDA THE OVERALL USE IS STILL A RESTAURANT, IS IT'S STILL KIND OF THE SAME WAIT STAFF.
THEY'RE STILL COOKING AND SERVING THE SAME FOOD.
UM, I THINK THE CHALLENGE WE RAN INTO WITH THE STATE STREET EXAMPLE AND THERE, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN GETTING MORE INQUIRIES FOR EVENT SPACE AND THAT SORT OF THING.
I THINK THE CHALLENGE THERE WAS, IT WAS KIND OF AN ART GALLERY WHICH HAS THE CO AND SHE'S UP AND RUNNING AND THAT AND ROCK AND ROLL AND THAT THAT'S FINE, THE ART GALLERY'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
BUT, UM, THE CHALLENGE WAS, UM, AS IT WAS DESCRIBED AS STAFF WAS THE ART GALLERY.
THE ART GALLERY CLOSES AT A CERTAIN TIME, LIKE FIVE OR 6:00 PM AND THEN THEY RENTED OUT FOR, UM, ANYONE TO KIND OF HAVE THEIR, THEIR PARTIES AND BANQUETS.
SO IT WAS KIND OF A SEPARATION OF USES THE ART GALLERY STAFF HAS GONE.
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THAT WAS THE CHALLENGE THAT REALLY WAS DIFFICULT NOT TO CLASSIFY IT AS A RECEPTION FACILITY, WHICH REQUIRES AN S U P OF COURSEUM, AND, AND AS I NOTE HERE, UM, RECEPTION FACILITIES, THEY'RE REALLY NOT ALLOWED BY WRIGHT, UM, ANYWHERE UNLESS THERE'S SOME PDS OUT THERE THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT ALLOW BY WRIGHT, BUT IT'S ONLY ALLOWED BY S U P AND CERTAIN ZONING, UH, ZONING DISTRICTS, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, AS WELL AS THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC UPTOWN AND SUBURBAN CORRIDOR SUBDISTRICTS.
AND OF COURSE THE DOWNTOWN SQUARE HAS THAT UNIQUE SORT OF RECEPTION HALL, UM, CLASSIFICATION.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, BUT IN, IN REALITY TO, TO YOUR POINT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS, I THINK THE, THE REALITY OF THAT REQUEST, WHILE IT WAS TECHNICALLY A RECEPTION FACILITY, UM, THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT SPACE I BELIEVE IS ABOUT 1400 SQUARE FEET.
WE KNOW IN REALITY FOR A SPACE LIKE THAT TO BE RENTED OUT FOR, YOU KNOW, BIRTHDAY PARTIES OR WHAT HAVE YOU, UM, THE IMPACT IS PROBABLY GONNA BE VERY, VERY SMALL AS OPPOSED TO, UM, THE TYPICAL RECEPTION FACILITY THAT WE GET, WHICH IS GONNA BE MUCH LARGER IN SQUARE FOOTAGE.
AND, AND YOU MADE A GREAT POINT THAT THE G D C AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO PULL UP, IT'S IN HERE SOMEWHERE, BUT, BUT YOU ALL MAY RECALL THERE ARE SPECIAL STANDARDS WITH RECEPTION FACILITIES THAT REQUIRE ONSITE SECURITY.
OFTENTIMES IT'S AN OFF-DUTY GARLAND POLICE OFFICER.
UM, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF PROVISIONS ABOUT NO LOITERING AND, AND THIS AND THAT.
SO, UM, SO DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE AN OFF-DUTY POLICE OFFICER FOR A, YOU KNOW,
UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE, UM, THAT'S REALLY THE BACKGROUND OF THE CONVERSATION.
SO REALLY COMMITTEE, I GUESS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SOME OPTIONS, UM, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE TO THE G D C.
UM, UH, AS FAR AS MAYBE BREAKING OUT A SQUARE FOOTAGE THRESHOLD, UM, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S NOT REALLY A MAGIC NUMBER PER SE.
UM, UH, SOMEWHAT COMMON NUMBER THAT WE SEE IN THE G D C FOR EXAMPLE, SEPARATING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CONVENIENCE STORE AND A GROCERY STORE.
IS 5,000 SQUARE FEET THE SAME AS FOR SEPARATING A GYM VERSUS A A SMALL FITNESS STUDIO.
UM, IS 5,000 SQUARE FEET IS THAT THRESHOLD WHERE IT CLASSIFIES INTO A DIFFERENT LAND USE? SO THAT'S JUST THE SUGGESTION.
IT'S NOT A MAGIC NUMBER OR ANYTHING, BUT, UM, BUT THAT'S AN IDEA IS KIND OF SEPARATE OUT A SMALLER THRESHOLD FOR A RECEPTION FACILITY, UM, THAT COULD POSSIBLY ABOUT BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
IN CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS, UH, WHAT HAVE YOU.
UM, THERE'S ALSO THIS, YOU KNOW, THE TERM DOES NOT INCLUDE THESE USES THAT, THAT MAY BE A LITTLE TOUGHER TO TACKLE IN LIKE THE EXAMPLE WE GAVE.
'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT, THE USE DOES KIND OF CHANGE FROM ART GALLERY TO, TO KIND OF A SMALL RENTAL EVENT CENTER.
UM, WHEREAS THESE EXAMPLES WHERE IT KIND OF EXEMPTS, YOU KNOW, THE RESTAURANTS AND, YOU KNOW, COUNTRY CLUBS, THE, THE USE IS STILL KIND OF IN PLACE FOR THOSE THAT OVERALL ARCHING USE, BUT IT'S MORE JUST KIND OF A PORTION OF IT'S BEING RENTED OUT.
SO, UM, SO YEAH, I'LL, I'LL JUST KIND OF STOP THERE AND LET SEE WHAT KIND OF DIRECTION WE GET FROM THE COMMITTEE.
UM, BRIA VAN HORN IS OUT ON VACATION.
I WAS HOPING TO MAYBE KINDA LOOP HER IN, SO IF WE BRING SOMETHING BACK, UM, I KNOW SHE HAD SOME QUESTIONS AND THOUGHTS ABOUT OCCUPANCY AND HAD A COUPLE OF DEVIL'S ADVOCATE TYPE QUESTIONS LIKE MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT KIND OF CREATING A LOOPHOLE FOR, UM, FOLKS TO OPEN A BAR.
'CAUSE YOU, YOU CAN HAVE, UM, ALCOHOL AT THESE EVENTS.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF SOMETHING WE WANTED TO MAYBE LOOK INTO AND INVOLVE THESE GUYS AS WELL.
I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS 'CAUSE I'M SORRY I'M GETTING B LOOPED INTO THIS LAKE, BUT I REALIZED AS I HEARD ABOUT THIS, THE MANAGER'S MEETING THIS MORNING THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE SOME OVERLAP HERE WITH ASSEMBLY HALLS.
'CAUSE 'CAUSE RECEPTION FACILITY IS LISTED IN THE DEFINITION OF ASSEMBLY HALL ON THE SQUARE.
AND LET'S BE CLEAR THAT UNLESS THERE'S TRANSFERABLE LAND USE CREDITS, IF WE'RE LABELING THEM, OR IF WE'RE SAYING IF YOUR INTERPRETATION IS THAT THEY'RE A RECEPTION FACILITY, THEN THEY WON'T QUALIFY FOR A C O FOR THAT REGARDLESS OF Y'ALL'S CHANGE.
THEY'RE NOT ON THE SQUARE AND TO BE, YEAH.
OH, THEY'RE NOT ON THE SQUARE.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS MAKING SURE OF.
DOWNTOWN HISTORIC I BELIEVE IS OH, PERFECT.
SO THOUGHTS ON REALLY, SO DIVIDING IT UP, SIZE OF DIVISION, SO FORTH, WELL, WILL BROUGHT UP A POINT WHAT, WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT IS ALCOHOL USE.
UM, AND BRIAN, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT, SO IF IT'S A FACILITY WHERE PEOPLE ARE BRINGING IN OUTSIDE ALCOHOL, THEN THERE'S NO LICENSE REQUIRED BY THE STATE FOR THAT.
UM, IF THE FACILITY'S NOT PROVIDING IT, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
USUALLY IT'S INSURANCE PROVISIONS THAT RECEPTION FACILITIES GET THAT REQUIRE THAT THEY GET T A B C CERTIFIED BARTENDERS MM-HMM.
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PORTION OF IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE BARTENDERS THAT ARE SERVING ALCOHOL, UM, IN A RESPONSIBLE MANNER.UM, BUT NO, THEY WOULD NOT NEED A LICENSE IF THEY'RE BRINGING ALCOHOL IN AS LONG AS THE FACILITY'S NOT PROVIDING THE ALCOHOL.
AND THEN I GUESS FOR THIS PARTICULAR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE IT'S WHAT BROUGHT IT UP, I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THIS, HOW THIS IS WORKING FOR THEM BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED THAT THEY'RE OPEN AS AN ART GALLERY DURING THE DAY, THEN THEY'RE GONNA CLOSE.
I MEAN, ARE THEY JUST GOING TO HAND SOMEONE THE KEYS? ARE THEY STAFFING IT? I MEAN, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THE WHOLE BIG PICTURE OF THIS, HOW, HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK.
SO, BUT MR. CHAIR, MIKE? YEAH, I, UM, YEAH, SO, SO THIS WAS, THIS WAS A, A SECOND, UM, REVENUE STREAM THAT THE OWNER WAS WANTING TO DEVELOP IF IT WAS LEGAL TO, TO DEVELOP IT.
THE, UM, THE PROCESS OF GETTING THERE WAS A LITTLE ONEROUS AT THIS POINT, SO SHE JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE GALLERY AND, AND THE, THE ROOM, THE ROOM THAT SHE WAS WANTING TO MAKE AVAILABLE IS ABOUT 800 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S THE, IF YOU WENT THERE, IT'S WHERE ALL THE ARTISTS HANGING.
UM, SO THAT THE HOWS OF, OF DOING THAT, UM, THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET.
THEY WANTED TO SEE IF IT WOULD BE LEGAL FOR THEM TO DO THAT BEFORE THEY MADE ANY FURTHER PLANS.
BUT I, I DO NOT THINK THAT THEY WOULD BE, UM, ANTICIPATING HANDING THE KEY TO SOMEBODY AND WALKING AWAY.
UM, THEY DID AT THE, AT THE, UH, RECEPTION FOR THE GALLERY, THEY DID HAVE, UH, WINE AND CHAMPAGNE BEING GIVEN AWAY FREE AS, AS IS COMMON.
SO I'M ASSUMING IF IT'S GIVEN AWAY FREE, UM, THAT ALSO IS, BUT YEAH, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD REGULATE OR GET INVOLVED WITH.
AGAIN, THEY MAY HAVE, THEIR INSURANCE MAY REQUIRE THAT, BUT, UM, BUT THAT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS.
IT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING WE WOULD EVER REGULATE AT ALL.
AND SO, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE, WE'RE CONSIDERING CHANGING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT SHOULD WE HAVE DIFFERENT RULES FOR DIFFERENT SIZE RECEPTION FACILITIES, BUT WHAT, WHAT IN PARTICULAR, WHAT RULES ARE WE LOOKING AT IN PARTICULAR, JUST HAVING THE REQUIREMENT OF HAVING SECURITY THERE OR IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHAT ELSE ARE WE LOOKING AT? WELL, WELL, YEAH, AND IT'S, IT'S REALLY UP TO THE COMMITTEE, BUT YES, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK IF WE WENT DOWN THE ROAD OF, UM, ALLOWING THESE MUCH SMALLER SQUARE FOOTAGE RECEPTION FACILITIES, UM, LOOKING AT LIKE THAT SECURITY REQUIREMENT FOR EXAMPLE AND SOME OF THOSE SPECIAL STANDARDS AND GOING THROUGH THAT AND SEEING IF THOSE ARE OKAY.
I MEAN, I, UH, PERSONALLY I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WORTHY OF US LOOKING AT AND PURSUING, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, A LIST OF, YOU KNOW, A LIST OF, OKAY, THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS AND THEN WE CAN LOOK THROUGH THEM AND YOU KNOW, FIRST QUESTION, WHY ARE THEY REQUIREMENTS? AND THEN SECONDLY, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY RELATED TO THE SIZE? SURE.
AND IF BRITA WANTS TO BE HERE AND HAS QUESTIONS AND WANTS TO BE PART OF THAT, I, I WOULDN'T WANT TO, I WOULD WANT TO HEAR HER SPECIFIC CONCERNS, BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO, LIKE TO SEE A LIST.
SO, UH, I'LL KIND OF READ THROUGH THIS.
THESE ARE SPECIAL STANDARDS FOR RECEPTION FACILITIES.
SO AN SS U P OF COURSE, UM, IS ALWAYS GONNA BE REQUIRED.
UM, NEEDS TO HAVE A TIME, TIME PERIOD ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
UH, SECURITY, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
RECEPTION FACILITY MUST REQUIRE PROVIDE SECURITY AT EVERY EVENT WHERE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ARE PROVIDED OR SERVED.
AND ALSO FOR ANY EVENT OCCURRING AFTER 6:00 PM UH, SECURITY MUST BE A, UH, MUST BE A QUALIFIED PERSON WHO IS AUTHORIZED TO PROVIDE PRIVATE SECURITY UNDER CHAPTER 1702 OF THE TEXAS OCCUPATIONS CODE.
UH, LIKE I SAID, THE MOST COMMON ONE WE SEE IS AN OFF-DUTY, UM, POLICE OFFICER.
UH, NOISE MITIGATION, THIS IS KIND OF, UM, UM, IF IT'S DETERMINED BY THE CITY, THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, GRAY AREA THERE.
BUT THE APPLICANT MUST ADD NOISE MITIGATION MATERIALS TO THE EXISTING BUILDING IF DETERMINED NECESSARY BY THE CITY TO PROTECT SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE.
OFTENTIMES APPLICANTS WILL DISPLAY THAT.
MAYBE THEY HAVE A LITTLE EXTRA, UM, YOU KNOW, EXTRA THICK WALLS OR THEY HAVE AN EXTRA, UM, SET OF DOORS.
YOU KIND OF GO INTO ONE SET OF DOORS AND GO INTO ANOTHER, UM, THAT SORT OF THING.
LITTER AND DEBRIS, ANY LITTER DEBRIS LEFT ON THE PREMISES MUST BE REMOVED IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE EVENT.
THE OWNER OF THE FACILITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR REMOVAL OF ALL LITTER AND DEBRIS, UH, LOCATIONS.
THESE ARE SOME DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS WELL.
UH, CAN OFTEN BE A CHALLENGE FOR
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RECEPTION FACILITIES AND, UM, SOME APPLICANTS JUST CAN'T MAKE SOME SITES WORK.UH, SO THERE IS A 500 FEET DISTANCE REQUIREMENT.
UH, I BELIEVE THIS ACTUALLY CAME ALONG.
THIS WAS NOT ORIGINALLY IN THE G D C IN 2015.
IT CAME ALONG AS A COUNCIL INITIATIVE, UH, MAYBE ABOUT A YEAR OR TWO LATER, 20 16, 20 17 MM-HMM.
SO, UH, YEAH, THERE IS A DISTANCE REQUIREMENT BETWEEN THESE AND RESIDENTIAL, UH, PROPERTIES, UM, INCLUDING ELDER CARE, UH, ELDER CARE AND, AND MULTIFAMILY AS WELL.
UM, KIND OF GIVES SOME GUIDELINES ON, ON THE MEASUREMENT THERE AND CANNOT BE, UH, LOCATED ON THE SAME TRACK AS ANY MULTIFAMILY DWELLING OR EL ELDER CARE FACILITY.
I GUESS THAT'S THE END OF IT AND THEN IT GETS INTO DIFFERENT USES.
BUT YEAH, THAT'S, UM, THOSE ARE THE SPECIAL STANDARDS OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT PROBABLY YOUR, UM, AND MAYBE NOT BIGGER AS IN IT NECESSARILY HAS A CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE IN MIND, BUT THAT'S FOR YOUR TO KIND OF CAPTURE THE PARTIES AND EVENTS THAT CAN GO INTO THE LATE HOURS AND TYPICALLY HAVE A GOOD AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THERE KIND OF COMING AND GOING BANDS AND, AND WHATNOT.
LIVE MUSIC AND DJS, THAT SORT OF THING.
AT LEAST WITH THOSE TWO, I MEAN, MOST OF THE STUFF, LITTER AND NOISE AND STUFF WE WOULD WANT, I DON'T CARE IF THEY'RE BIG OR SMALL, WE WANT ALL THAT THERE.
UM, THE, THE REQUIREMENT FOR ONSITE SECURITY AND THE, THE LOCATION AND DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS SEEM LIKE FOR THEY ARE MADE FOR LARGE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE, I HAVE A RECEPTION HALL IN EAST PART OF MY DISTRICT AND THOSE THINGS ARE NECESSARY FOR THOSE BIG PLACES THAT HAVE BIG PARTIES.
BUT FOR SMALLER THINGS, I WOULD THINK NOT SO MUCH.
AND YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING SPECIFIC FOR DOWNTOWN OR NOT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, IF, IF BRIE IS GONNA PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO HEAR THE, UM, THE AREAS THAT SHE'S CONCERNED ABOUT.
AND ANDY, SINCE YOU'RE UP THERE, I BET YOU HAVE CONCERNS.
Y RIGHT, I, I'LL WAS GONNA DO IS JUST KIND OF RE REQUEST.
LET US DIG INTO IT A LITTLE BIT AND TRY TO MAKE SURE WE VET OUT ALL THE POTENTIAL UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
SO WE MAY NEED TO LOOK AT IT FROM ALL ANGLES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T UNINTENTIONALLY CREATE A SMALL THING THAT STILL PRODUCES THE ILL EFFECTS IN A, IN A SMALLER PLACE WITH THE NEIGHBORS BEING, MATTER OF FACT, I THINK WE HAD A CASE NOT TOO LONG AGO WHERE SOMEONE BEGAN OPERATING A FACILITY, UH, UH, THAT HAD TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
SO WE GOT 'EM INTO COMPLIANCE, BUT IT WAS A HOUSE WITH A GAZEBO AND A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND IT WAS PRECIPITATED BY COMPLAINING COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, WHICH WAS A LITTLE SURPRISING IF I'M NOT, I THINK.
AND THAT, THAT WAS A LITTLE UNIQUE IN THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY A RESIDENTIAL ZONE,
THEY, THEY WERE RUNNING A FOUL FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
BUT IT, IT WAS A, IT WAS A SMALL FACILITY.
DEFINITELY RECOMMEND KEEPING IT.
AND SO IT WAS, YEAH, CAME FROM COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS, FROM THE, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, TRAFFIC IN THE RACKET, ANDY IS RIGHT.
AND THAT ACTUALLY WAS A VERY SMALL FACILITY.
UH, OF COURSE THEY HAD SOME OUTDOOR SPACE AS WELL, WHICH MAYBE ALLOWED 'EM TO HAVE SOME MORE, UH, PEOPLE.
BUT YEAH, SOME NEIGHBORS WERE NOTICING CARS GOING IN AND IN AND OUT, UM, LIKE MAYBE 11 OR MIDNIGHT, KIND OF MIDNIGHT HOURS.
SO IT CAUGHT, CAUGHT SOME FOLKS' ATTENTION AND THAT WAY WE CAN EVALUATE THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DIFFERENT PRINCIPLES THAT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF ADJACENCIES AND ZONING MAY, MAYBE IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR A DOWNTOWN SUBDISTRICT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF IT'S SOMETHING WE DESIRE IN OTHER BUILDINGS THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY CHANGE LAND USE OR WHATEVER.
SO SURE, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DIG INTO IT.
YEAH, I DEFINITELY WOULDN'T SEE IT.
UM, WOULDN'T WANNA SEE IT IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS OR ANYTHING OTHER THAN ZONES, SO.
ALRIGHT, WELL I WOULD APPRECIATE ADDITIONAL INPUT ON THIS, BUT, UM, I, I DO THINK IT WOULD AT LEAST POTENTIALLY BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A SUBCATEGORY FOR SMALLER EVENT VENUES THAT WHERE ALL OF THESE REQUIREMENTS AREN'T NECESSARILY SENSIBLE.
I WOULD ASK THAT YOU LOOK AT THE SIZE OF PAST RECEPTION HALLS THAT WE'VE APPROVED.
UM, I'M JUST DIGGING THROUGH QUICKLY OUR ARCHIVE HERE AND WE'VE HAD ONES AS LARGE AS 20,000 SQUARE FEET AND I FOUND ONE IN 2017, A SMALL 7,000 SQUARE FEET THAT'S GETTING CLOSER TO THAT 5,000 NUMBER THAT WAS THROWN OUT THERE.
AND I KNOW I EVEN LOOKED UP MY, WHERE I HELD MY WEDDING RECEPTION AND IT WAS 7,000 SQUARE FEET.
AMAZINGLY IT HOLDS 300 PEOPLE AND THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY OPINION, FOR A SMALL FACILITY.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SMALLER EVENTS, THIS KIND OF RECEPTION, THAT ART GALLERY TYPE RECEPTION THING.
I DON'T WANNA HAVE 300 PEOPLE THERE AND NOT HAVE SECURITY IF THEY'RE HANDING OUT, YOU KNOW, LARGER CROWD AND THAT KIND OF THING.
THAT'S KIND OF MY OTHER THOUGHT OF BRINGING IN BREED.
MAYBE SHE CAN HAVE SOME OCCUPANCY.
AND I KNOW THERE'S FIRE CODE, YOU CAN ONLY SO MUCH SQUARE FEET AND MAYBE WE
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CAN RELATE THAT TO AMOUNT OF PEOPLE AND FIGURE OUT ESTIMATES OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL BE ALLOWED AT DIFFERENT SQUARE FOOTAGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.SO YEAH, THE, THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAD ON MIND WAS CAPACITY VERSUS SQUARE FOOTAGE.
BUT I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CAPACITY LIMITATION, IT'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN FIRE CODE.
SO ANY MORE DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMITTEE THEN ON THIS ITEM? NOT RIGHT NOW.
WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO YOU GUYS BRINGING IT BACK TO US NEXT TIME.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THEN AT 4 25.