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OKAY.[Administrative Services Committee on September 12, 2023.]
THIS IS TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2023.IT'S 4:00 PM AND THIS IS A MEETING OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES COMMITTEE.
WITH ME IS COMMITTEE MEMBER, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MARGARET LUT, AND, UH, A VARIETY OF OF STAFF MEMBERS AND SOME PRIVATE CITIZENS.
SO, UH, NUMBER ONE ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
HAVE YOU HAD TIME TO REVIEW THEM AND SEE IF THEY ARE ACCURATE? YES.
I MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AND I WILL SECOND IT.
AND SINCE WE'RE THE ONLY TWO HERE, UH, THAT WOULD SHOW AS A UNANIMOUS APPROVAL.
WE DO HAVE A CITIZEN PRESENT TODAY WHO WANTS TO PRESENT.
MR. LANDON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND, UH, SIT AT THE TABLE, PLEASE UP HERE AND SIT WHERE YOU CAN SPEAK INTO A MICROPHONE.
START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
SO MICHAEL LANDON'S, THE GUY FROM THE LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRIE.
SEE, SORRY I WAS MESSING WITH YOU.
OKAY, SO DO I HAVE A LITTLE THREE MINUTES? IS THAT WHAT WE GOT GOING ON? YES.
LEMME JUST GIMME MYSELF A TIMER HERE.
SO THIS, I LOOKED AT THE MINUTES, WHICH I LEFT OVER THERE.
AND THIS IS THE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES THAT TALKS ABOUT NAMING BUILDINGS.
WHAT DID THEY CALL IT? THE WALKING TRAIL AFTER MY UNCLE ABE DOUGLAS.
BUT I'LL JUST READ THIS TO YOU.
UM, I SENT THIS EMAIL ON APRIL 7TH, 2021.
I SENT IT TO SCOTT LAMA, ART MUNE ANIMAL SERVICES GENERAL EMAIL, SAL GARZA, DOROTHY WHITE SAL'S WITH COMMUNICATIONS, DOROTHY WATT'S WITH COMMUNICATIONS.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO SEND THIS.
WE NEED YOU TO START WITH STATE OH.
UM, SO I SENT IN THIS EMAIL IN APRIL 7TH, 2021.
AND IT'S BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE NAMING OF THE NEW ANIMAL SHELTER.
THE OLD RULE WAS NAMED AFTER MY UNCLE ABE DUGAL.
I'M THE NEPHEW OF ABE J DUGAL.
THE CURRENT ANIMAL SHELTER IS NAMED AFTER HIM.
HE WORKED AS THE DIRECTOR OF GARLAND ANIMAL SHELTER FOR 27 YEARS.
WILL THE NEW ANIMAL SHELTER STILL BE NAMED AFTER, STILL BE NAMED A J A U J, TUGGLE ANIMAL SHELTER AND ADOPTION CENTER? I HOPE SO.
CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PLANNED NAME OF THE NEW ANIMAL SHELTER ON 66? AND I'M PUT A LINK TO, UH, GARLAND HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE IT, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING THROUGH LIKE WHY THEY NAMED IT AND WHAT DID HE DO? AND EVERY NAMED BILLY IN TOWN AND, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE LIKE YOU, YOU GAIL FIELDS.
BUT WHEN, WHEN I FOUND OUT THAT MY, HIS GRANDKID WAS, UM, GOING TO SCHOOL WITH MY KID, I TOLD THE, THE KID'S MOM, I SAID, IS, IS THAT, LIKE, ARE YOU RELATED TO THAT PERSON? AND SHE'S LIKE, YEAH, THAT'S MY DAD.
HE WORKED FOR PARKS FOR LIKE 30 YEARS.
AND SO SAID, WELL, MY UNCLE SAVED J DUG, YOU KNOW, BUT ANYWAYS, SO I GOT LIKE ZERO RESPONSE IN THAT EMAIL.
I'M KIND OF LIKE MUTUAL FRIENDS WITH, UH, SCOTT.
AND I ASKED HIM AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
AND NOBODY ELSE THAT I KNOW OF RESPONDED ART.
I HAD HIS EMAIL WRONG, BUT LIKE, EVEN THE ANIMAL SERVICES EMAIL, THEY DIDN'T TELL HIM.
SO WHEN I GOT THE RIGHT EMAIL, I, WE TALKED FINALLY, AND I THINK IT WAS NOVEMBER AT THAT POINT OF 2021, AND I WROTE DOWN NOVEMBER OR FEBRUARY 22ND.
NOT TOO LONG AFTER THAT, THEY OPENED THE NEW ONE AND THEY DID NAME IT AFTER HIM.
HE TOLD ME, WE'RE GONNA NAME THIS WALKING TRAIL, BUT IT'S NOT COMPLETE, BUT WHEN IT GETS COMPLETE, WE'RE GONNA DO IT.
THAT WAS A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
SO I KEEP BEATING AROUND THE, YOU KNOW, DRUMMING UP THE, THE DRUMS, BUT I NOTICED THAT THEY HAD, UM, THE BONEYARD OCTOBER, 2022.
THEY RENAMED IT SURPRISINGLY LIKE A FEW MONTHS LATER.
UH, RONALD JONES, THEY DID JUST THIS MONTH, UH, IN 2022, THEY DID, UH, BILL DOLLAR.
SO I KNOW THAT THEY DO IT, BUT IT WAS ODD TO ME.
AND THEN IN THE LAST WEEK OR TWO, ART SAID IT'S GONNA BE ON SUNDAY AT 10 O'CLOCK.
AND I WAS LIKE, WHO IN THE WORLD MADE THAT SCHEDULE? LIKE WHAT IS THE, THAT'S THE DUMBEST TIME OVER.
I MEAN, YOU SHOWED UP, YOU SHOWED UP.
LET ME SAY MARGARET SHOWED UP.
UM, MAYOR SHOWED UP AND THEY BROUGHT THE TV CREW.
SO WE, WE SHARED THAT LITTLE VIDEO TO OUR FAMILY, BUT YEAH, I, EVERYBODY THOUGHT IT WAS A WEIRD TIME.
ANYWAY, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT Y'ALL ACTUALLY DO, BUT I THOUGHT I WOULD, SINCE IT'S TALKING ABOUT NAMING BUILDINGS, I WOULD COME UP AND SAY MY PIECE.
THANK YOU
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YES, MA'AM.SO, ALRIGHT, IS ANYONE ELSE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS? SEEING NO ONE? WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM THREE, WHICH IS OUR ONLY DISCUSSION ITEM TODAY, WHICH IS TO DISCUSS AND REVIEW CURRENT POLICIES FOR NAMING CITY OWNED PROPERTY.
AND WE HAVE, UM, A DRAFT AND THERE'S ONLY TWO OF US ON COUNCIL HERE.
SO, UH, PHIL, ARE YOU GONNA COME FORWARD OR ARE YOU GOING TO SPEAK TO THE, THE DRAFT? UM, WHAT DID YOU CALL THIS? UM, I I CAN, I CAN TAKE IT FROM HERE.
I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, WITH SEAN ON IT, AND I VISITED WITH SEAN PRIOR TO, UM, UH, HIM LEAVING TOWN.
UH, AS, AS, UH, FOLLOW UP TO THE LAST DISCUSSION, THERE WAS, UM, A REQUEST BY COUNSEL, OR EXCUSE ME, THE COMMITTEE, UH, KNOW TO, UH, HAVE MORE PUBLIC INPUT TAKE PLACE AS IT RELATED TO THE NAMING OF, OF BUILDING, ESPECIALLY, UH, DURING THE EARLY, UH, STAKEHOLDER PROCESS, WHICH WE DO HAVE HEAVY STAKEHOLDER PROCESSES AS IT RELATES TO, TO OUR, TO OUR, UM, OUR NEW FACILITIES THAT ARE, UH, COMING IN.
SO THERE ARE REALLY TWO CHANGES THAT ARE, UH, WITHIN THE POLICY.
AND THIS IS, UH, DIVISION FIVE CEREMONY, CEREMONIAL AND HONOR HONORARY PROCEDURES, SECTION ONE NAMING, UH, FACILITY NAMING AND DEDICATION PLAQUES.
THE, UH, THE FIRST CHANGE, UH, AND IT'LL BE ON YOUR LAST PAGE HERE, UH, IS, UH, THIS IS GOING TO BE TOWARDS, UM, THIS, UH, NAMING OR RENAMING OF A FAC CITY FACILITY.
SO WE DID NOT HAVE IT, UH, DEFINED ON RENAMING A FACILITY SO THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE WITHIN THE, UH, OR RECOMMENDED TO BE WITHIN THE POLICY.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO ADDED A STATEMENT, AND I'LL, AND I'LL READ IT HERE, THAT CITY STAFF WILL GATHER THE PUBLIC'S FEEDBACK RELATED TO THE NAMING OF A CITY FACILITY DURING STAKEHOLDER OR OTHER PUBLIC INPUT SESSION SESSIONS REGARDING THE FACILITY.
THE FEEDBACK FROM THOSE MEETINGS, INCLUDING A LIST OF CANDIDATES NAMES SHALL BE SHARED WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE MAYOR.
THE CITY MANAGER OR STAFF DESIGNEE WILL THEN PRESENT A LIST OF NAMES TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND DEBATE.
A CANDIDATE SHALL BE APPROVED UPON A SIMPLE MAJORITY AND AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF COUNSEL.
I BELIEVE THAT CAPTURED WHAT THE, UH, THE COMMITTEE WAS LOOKING TO, TO ADD TO THE POLICY.
I THINK I ONLY HAVE ONE, UM, CONCERN, AND THAT REALLY IS BECAUSE OF A CONVERSATION I HAD THIS MORNING.
UM, UH, IF ONE OF THOSE FACILITIES HAPPENS TO BE A PARK, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO INCLUDE THE PARKS BOARD IN THAT, UM, NAMING PROCESS.
UM, AND THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY FACILITY THAT I CAN SEE NEEDING TO GO THROUGH THE PARKS BOARD.
UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THAT OUT THERE JUST BECAUSE, UM, I, YOU KNOW, WE LIKE TO INCLUDE THEM IN PARKS RELATED MATTERS AND, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THEM AS PART OF THAT.
UM, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON NOT TO DO THAT.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE WOULD KIND OF NATURALLY, WE DID THIS TIME, YOU, YOU REFERRED IT TO THE PARKS BOARD WITH THE SKATE PARK, AND THAT'S KIND OF A NATURAL SEQUENCE.
SO IS THAT A, IS THAT GONNA BE A PROBLEM TO INSERT THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE? NO, THAT WON'T BE A PROBLEM.
MY, MY QUESTION WAS IN THE, IN THE LAST PARAGRAPH, AND IT'S JUST A, THIS IS A MINOR ONE, AND I, I LIKE THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN.
UM, SO IT SAYS IN, UH, D UM, I'VE LOST THE NUMBER.
THE VERY, THE VERY LAST PARAGRAPH, IT SAYS, THE CITY MAY ERECT A DEDICATION PLAQUE OR COMPAR OR COMPARABLE MARKING UPON NAMING APPROVAL IN ADDITION TO THE FACILITY NAME, THE DEDICATION PLAQUE SHALL IDENTIFY.
ARE WE WANTING TRULY, IS THAT OUR INTENTION TO SAY A DEDICATION PLAQUE HAS TO INCLUDE THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR, ARCHITECT, MAYOR, CITY MANAGER, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE DATE OF THE GROUNDBREAKING, AND SHOULD CONTAIN A SECTION AVAILABLE FOR THE NAMES OF THOSE WHO SAID, THIS JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'D BE A BIG FINE PRINT.
DID WE INTEND TO DO THAT? SHALL SO I VISITED WITH MITCH PRIOR TO, UH, THE MEETING AND, UM, HE SAID THIS WAS A, AN ITEM THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED BY THE COUNCIL, AND I THINK THIS WAS ONE THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME WHEN THE, THE POLICY WAS PUT INTO PLACE.
BUT, UH, TO YOUR POINT, I THINK THAT WILL PROVIDE FOR A VERY LARGE PLAQUE AND, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE RECOGNIZED WITH WHATEVER BUILDING IS CONSTRUCTED.
SO, UH, WE WILL DEFINITELY, UM, INCLUDE WHAT MAY BE THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE, THE COMMITTEE AND THE COUNCIL, BUT THAT WAS WHAT WAS DECIDED ON WHEN THE COUNCIL, UH, FIRST LOOKED AT THE POLICY, WHEN THE, UM, WHEN AUDUBON REC CENTER WAS REDONE
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AND THEY PUT UP A PLAQUE.I WAS ON THE PARKS BOARD AT THE TIME AND IT WAS REALLY COOL TO HAVE MY NAME ON THERE,
UM, BUT I, I REALLY, I, I'M FINE WITHOUT IT.
SO, UM, MY PREFERENCE IS TO HAVE IT, BUT I WOULD BE OKAY IF, IF, IF IT'S TOO MUCH TO, UH, IF IT'S COSTLY OR, YOU KNOW, SO IT, THE, THE FULL THING SAYS ADDITIONALLY, AFTER ALL THE SHALLS WITH THOSE, THE PLAQUE SHOULD CONTAIN, WHICH SHOULD AND SHALL SEEM LIKE THE LEGALLY IS THAT A REQUIREMENT? SO SHALL IS OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, DETERMINATIVE THAN SHOULD MM-HMM.
SO IT, IT APPEARS, I WASN'T HERE OBVIOUSLY WHEN THIS WAS INITIALLY DRAFTED MM-HMM.
SO IT SHOULD INCLUDE A SECTION AVAILABLE FOR THE NAMES OF THOSE WHO SIGNIFICANTLY CONTRIBUTED TO THE SUCCESS OF THE PROJECT.
THIS MAY INCLUDE, BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS, CURRENT AND FORMER STAFF, DONORS AND MEMBERS OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS RELEVANT TO THE PROJECT.
I MEAN, I JUST THINK THAT'S A LOT.
SO, UM, I DUNNO THE PARTS THAT WE'RE REQUIRING, I JUST, I WOULD RATHER, I WOULD RATHER US REQUIRE LESS AND LEAVE MAY KIND OF THE OPEN DOOR, BUT, UM, IF WE REALLY HAVE IN PREVIOUS YEARS DECIDED THAT WE DEFINITELY WANT THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR, ARCHITECT AND MAYOR, CITY MANAGER AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
HAVE THOSE MEMBERS THERE? YES, MA'AM.
UM, I, I WOULD PERSONALLY PREFER TO HAVE, ADDITIONALLY, THE PLAQUE SHOULD TURN TO A MAY.
JUST LEAVE THE REST OF THAT, BE A MAY AND LEAVE IT TO THE DISCRETION OF STAFF AT THE TIME.
UM, BUT NOT, THAT'S NOT A HILL I'M GONNA DIVE ON, SO.
DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE? I FEEL THE SAME.
I'M NOT GONNA LIKE, YOU KNOW, I, LIKE I SAID, I I, IT WAS NICE TO BE MENTIONED ON THAT PLAQUE MM-HMM.
UM, WELL, IS IT WORTH BRINGING A SHOULD GOING TO MAY TO THE COUNCIL FOR RECOMMENDATION OR DO WE WANNA JUST LET IT RIDE? I DON'T CARE.
UM, WHAT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? SO THIS HAS BEEN A, A TOUCHY SUBJECT IN THE PAST IN VISITING WITH, WITH, WITH MITCH.
THERE WERE, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT FELT LIKE THEY WERE BEING LEFT OUT, ESPECIALLY AS THE BOND PROGRAM TOOK PLACE, WHETHER IT WAS A, A COMMITTEE MEMBER, WHETHER THEY WERE ON THE, THE, THE PARKS BOARD, IF THEY WERE A PREVIOUS SITTING COUNCIL MEMBER, WHENEVER THE BOND WAS PASSED VERSUS THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE NOW.
AND SO I THINK THIS WAS PUT IN AS A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF TO AVOID HURT FEELINGS.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THE COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO, TO GIVE US DIRECTION ON.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS ACCOMPLISHES THAT, DOES THIS ACCOMPLISH NOT HURTING THEIR FEELINGS? BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS, THAT'S UNDER THE MAY, RIGHT? THAT'S UNDER THE MAY.
AND THAT'S TYPICALLY WHERE, WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE IN A, IN A GRAY AREA AS STAFF WHERE WE, WE, I THINK WE IN THE PAST HAVE HAD, HAVE WE HAD TO BRING THOSE TO COUNCIL TO, TO APPROVE IF, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, WHEN WE HAVE A, A, A PLAQUE THAT IF IT'S THIS BUILDING OR THAT BUILDING AND HERE'S THE PLAQUE, HERE'S GOING TO BE ON THERE AND THE COUNCIL AT LEAST GIVES A THUMBS UP TOWARDS THAT.
OR HAS THAT NOT BEEN, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO, I I I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S BROUGHT PLAQUES.
AND I MAY BE MISTAKEN ON THAT.
I'M, I'M STILL LEARNING THE PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, WHAT IF, IF, IF PEOPLE ARE HARASSING STAFF OVER THIS, PERHAPS WE SHOULD ADD IN THERE THAT THE TEXT OF A PLAQUE WILL AT LEAST BE PRESENTED TO COUNSEL FOR APPROVAL, AND THAT WAY THE BLAME WOULD BE ON US AND NOT ON STAFF.
I DON'T, I MEAN, WOULD THAT BE HELPFUL OR IS THAT JUST ANOTHER HARASSMENT STEP OF SLOWING DOWN, GETTING THINGS DONE? NO, I THINK IT, IT GIVES STAFF THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET, UH, TO GET OUT OF THE, THE GRAY ZONE.
THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED AND THIS GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO TO, TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND SO WHAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO DO IS IF IT'S A PARKS PROJECT, LIBRARY, ANIMAL SERVICES MM-HMM.
ANY, ANY, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW WE CAN, CAN YOU DEFINE THAT FOR US? ANY AMENITY OR FACILITY THAT WE HAVE A ADVISORY BOARD.
AS AN ADVISORY BOARD ASSOCIATED WITH.
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ALRIGHT.AND WHAT ARE YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT HAVING US, UH, HAVE THE TEXT COME TO COUNSEL SO THAT WE ARE THE ONES, THE BAD GUYS, IF SOMEBODY'S GETTING LEFT OFF? I THINK A COUNCIL, I, I THINK A COUNCIL WANTS TO HAVE THE, I MEAN, WE'RE NAMING A, A CITY FACILITY, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND ADDITIONALLY, UH, WELL, AND CERTAINLY PUTTING THE QUESTION TO COUNSEL FOR CONSIDERATION IS, IS IS A GOOD PLACE TO PUT IT, BECAUSE IF COUNSEL AS A BODY DOESN'T WANT THAT, UH, RESPONSIBILITY, THEN THEY CAN, THEY CAN CERTAINLY SAY AS MUCH.
UH, THE OTHER THING I WOULD POINT OUT IS, IS WITH THESE TWO SENTENCES IS WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT I THINK THE DRAFTER WAS TRYING TO GET AT IS IT SAYS THE PLAQUE SHOULD CONTAIN A SECTION AVAILABLE TO THE NAMES OF THOSE WHO SIGNIFICANTLY CONTRIBUTED TO THE SUCCESS OF THE PROJECT.
I THINK THE NEXT SENTENCE IS DESIGNED TO SAY, LOOK, WHEN WE SAY SIGNIFICANTLY CONTRIBUTED TO THE PROJECT, THAT COULD BE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, FORMER COUNCILMEN.
SO IT'S, IT'S GIVING A EXEMPLAR OF WHO MAY BE SOMEONE TO BE CONSIDERED AS CONTRIBUTING TO THE PROJECT.
AND SO, SO IT'S REALLY, THAT LAST SENTENCE IS REALLY JUST GUIDANCE AS AN EXAMPLE.
WELL, BUT I DO FEEL FOR STAFF WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE GETTING BEAT UP BY, SAY, A FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER, BECAUSE THE FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER FELL INTO THIS, MAY INCLUDE
AND SO THEY'RE LEANING ON STAFF.
SO I, FOR, I WOULD RATHER COUNCIL TAKE THE HIT FOR THAT, THEN HAVE STAFF TAKE A BEATING FOR IT, FOR MAKING THAT DECISION.
SO, UM, I THINK MY RECOMMENDATION, I LIKE THAT.
LET'S, LET'S PUT THAT AS, AS COUNCIL WILL BE, UM, YOU KNOW, BE PRESENTED TO US AND LET US APPROVE IT OR, OR MAKE REVISIONS OR SOMETHING BEFORE IT BECOMES REAL.
AND THAT WAY IF SOMEBODY'S MAD, THEY COULD JUST JOIN THE LONG QUEUE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE MAD AT US INSTEAD OF BEATING UP ON YOU GUYS.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER CONCERNS? NO, THANK YOU.
AND, UH, WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MS. MR. LANDS, COUNCILWOMAN LUCK HAD BROUGHT THIS, UH, TO US AND REFERRED THIS TO THE COMMITTEE IN ORDER TO NOT HAVE IN THE FUTURE, ONCE THIS GETS PASSED, SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE WILL BE, UM, HAVING, YOU KNOW, HAVING SITUATIONS WHERE THEY'RE UPSET ABOUT HOW A PROCESS WAS NAMED, UH, OF NAMING A BUILDING OR A FACILITY WENT.
SO I THINK THIS WILL LARGELY ADDRESS, UM, YOUR SITUATIONS.
ANYWAY, UM, ANY FURTHER INPUT ON THIS? NO, I THINK WE'VE MADE SOME GOOD HEADWAY WITH IT.
WELL, SINCE WE TWEAKED IT YET AGAIN, UM, CAN WE GET THE FINAL DRAFT BROUGHT TO US NEXT MONTH WHEN WE, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A FULL, UM, THREE MEMBERS ON THE COMMITTEE AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL JUST GIVE IT A THUMBS UP AND ROLL ON FROM THERE.
AND WITH THAT, WE ARE AT ITEM FOUR ADJOURNMENT, SO AT 4:24 PM WE ARE ADJOURNED.